Ep. 12 Two Wrongs Don’t Make A Wright

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Hello everybody, my name is Atticus and my name is Hope and you are listening to the white refrigerator
Welcome back. Y'all
Okay.

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Now, as we get into it, let's, let's start because this one's gonna be a little bit,
a little bit heavier.
I want to encourage y'all to put y'all listening, listening ears and thinking caps off.
But before we get into it, Fran, how's your week been?
My week has been pretty good, Fran.
I've been, been chill.

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I'm feeling pretty good this week.
I don't really have any complaints.
As far as TV goes, same old, same old, nothing new.
Nothing new yet.
I'm, I'm going to venture off a little bit this weekend, dive back into some stuff.
I've just been keeping up with the W playoffs and Agatha.

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So I bet you have.
I've been just, that's pretty much what I've been doing.
Have you, you ain't started on what's my college show, Natasha?
No, no, I want to, I'm going to do that because I want to like watch.
Fran, you can go straight to hell.
You can go straight to hell.
I don't love Natasha.
I need this show to be a season two.

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I'm pretty sure she's going to get a season two.
I don't know.
I'm sure they'd be playing and it's like a Hulu original.
They'd be, they'd be playing in the face sometimes.
I is, is the season already concluded?
Not quite.
I think it's what?
Seven, six or seven episodes in.
Okay.
But it's just a great show.

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So yeah, that's, that's my thing.
Cause my weekend schedule also starts this weekend.
So I'm not excited about that.
No, I'm sorry.
But it's all right.
It's all right for a lot, so my permanent schedule actually has me off on Fridays and
Saturdays.
So it's not the end of the world.
I do.
I will miss having my Sundays off, but apparently Sundays is like hella quiet.
So I'm not going to complain about that.

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Cool.
Cool.
So yeah, TV's not really much going on.
Music shout out to Victoria Monet for dropping the deluxe of Jaguar too.
Love it.
I was going to mention that too.
How you going to open it up with Dick at Night?
Like come on.

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A jazzy version of Dick at Night.
That is hilarious.
I feel like this deluxe part of the album kind of followed a little bit closer to the
theme of the first Jaguar album.
Like sonically, it was great.
I mean, the Jaguar part two is still great, but I feel like it sounded more like the first

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one.
I mean, she definitely has a sound in general.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
Charlie Day Wilson, one of my favorite white girl singers, she is Blue-eyed soul for real.
And she dropped an album that I completely missed.
Spotify randomly popped it up and it came out earlier this year.

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I was so mad.
I was like, when this happen?
But it's called Zion Blue.
And yeah, she just, she doesn't miss for me.
So, I knew that was going to be the thing.
Leon Thomas dropped an album called Mutt and he's got the debut song and the debut song
is also after the album title Mutt.

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And everybody's saying it's very insecure coded.
It absolutely is.
It's a bop.
But I've loved Leon Thomas since he was on Victorious.
So like he doesn't miss.
You're going to send me that one.
I got you.
I got you.
He said it's insecure coded.
I'm interested.
Yeah, it's secure had like one of the best soundtracks ever.
And then Maria dropped an album, little EP called finer things.

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Fantastic.
Jazz, Karras and that's K-A-R-I-S dropped an album called Safe Flight.
Also Fire.
That was also on my list dimension because Spotify just popped this person up.
I didn't know who the hell she was.
And I was like, let me listen to this.
Listen and love.
And lastly.

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You just been holding on to this person and ain't told me nothing.
So I'm not really like she's on some of my playlists, but it's not someone that I followed.
Like now she's got my attention.
Like she made like she's made good projects.
But like now I'm like, oh snap.
You know how like you are on something and you kind of fall off for a bit and you get
back on it.

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You're like, damn.
But yeah, shout out to Safe Flight.
That is a good album.
It's a good album.
And then lastly, I wanted to shout out to my bestie.
Addie put me on this app called the Finch app and it's like a self care app.
And you know, on this podcast, we are all about self care, mental health, taking care

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of yourself, educating the whole thing.
We care about you as people.
And I say that on every episode that I remember to and I'm going to try to make this a thing
going forward.
We love you.
We want you here.
We need you here and you are special.
And if no one else in the world makes you feel that way, I want you to know that I feel
that way about you.
That being said, the Finch app is so awesome.

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My bestie put me on it, y'all.
And it keeps me, it reels me back in.
It reels me back in.
So shout out to Atticus, y'all.
Get you a bestie like my bestie.
No, get you a bestie like my bestie.
Listen, listen.
I'm telling y'all right now.
This is some DreamWorks Disney Pixar type shit.

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Y'all, I joke about it all the time, but we really have like a TV friendship.
And I wish that on everybody.
I really do.
It's the best.
I really do.
So yeah, shout out to you, Addie for the Finch app.
Y'all download it.
There is a free version.
There's a paid version and a free version.
The free version is still really good.

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So yeah.
You're not going to be missing a lot.
I feel like the free version still gets the job done with Extra.
Which I love when developers do that because that's just this, I don't know, it's this
thing showing that you actually do care, which I think is pretty awesome because...

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Exactly.
Not everybody...
You can tell during the actual creation, we're very mindful, very demure.
We still want you to be able to experience what the intention behind it is.
Absolutely.
What I happen to pay for.
And how was your week, friend?
Tell me what was going on in your world this week.
So this week was a little bit more reflective.

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So it was a lot of beautiful chorus because that's who I got to go to when I feel like
I need the Lord in my life.
Also with this new Jazz Caris person that I just found on Spotify because my best friend
didn't send it to me, but that's okay.
I can't say nothing because I forgot to send you Victoria Monáe's album too.
The meanest, nastiest girl.

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She's a fuckly slut.
Don't trust her.
But I really honestly have no idea how that happened because I had it copied to send to
you, but I...
ADD.
Life be life.
I'm not going to say life was life because I was definitely not doing anything but listening

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and don't know what happened.
Probably got on fucking Twitter.
But anywho, I feel like this week has been like a week of collecting or running into
things that I feel are like ultimately more for my greater good because I would like to

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say I'm a patient person and I'm pretty sure that most people would describe me as such.
But reflecting on a few recent events, I could have extended a bit more patience.
I could stand to be a bit more forgiving of myself and of other people and I'm trying.

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It's a work in progress, but Lord, I'm realizing it and I'm trying to get there.
That's all that matters really is the effort.
It matters to do it, but you can't do it if you don't put forth the effort.
So the fact that you're doing it, friend, I'm proud of you.
Keep going.
True.
But Lord, this one's a little bit more difficult though because it's like I'm getting older

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and on one hand it's like I don't have time for no foolishness and no dumb shit.
Get the fuck out my face with that dumb shit.
But on the other hand, it's like I know people need grace and it's hard to balance what that
is, but I'm trying not to turn into like that old person that is not patient of anything.
Also like I'm realizing I need to work a little bit on my presence too.

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So don't shoot me because I know you like to tussle, but I've known for like a little
while that like I shrink in certain situations and it makes me mad because I've known this
for quite some time.
But I saw a TikTok the other night and the person was talking about like walk into a
room or a space like the divine sent you there, like you supposed to be there.

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And something about that hit me in my chest because I don't, honestly, I don't think
I ever have.
Even though me being me is the reason I'm even in rooms that I'm in or have the opportunities
that I've had, for some reason I was never able to just like think that of myself is

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almost like some sort of inferiority complex.
And it's just kind of like a slap in the face.
And imposter syndrome is a bitch.
This is something.
You belong in every single space that you occupy.
And I get what you're saying and I understand what you're saying and I'm not going to drag
you although I do like to tussle.

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But I get it.
I get that sentiment.
I get that feeling.
And I mean, I'm not even going to elaborate because that part got taken out of the podcast
by accident last week.
But you already know what was happening my birthday week.

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That weekend was rough.
So I get that feeling of like, damn, do I belong here?
Do I belong in this space?
Right.
All these other people are talking.
I need to be quiet and just let them talk because they know.
I think my thing has always been like they know better than I know.

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That's not always the truth.
And time has shown that.
Experience has shown that.
I don't know why I'd be doing stuff like that.
Showing yourself and that's something that I think comes with like, that just comes with
like time and acceptance.
So it's friend, listen, one step at a time.
One step at a time.

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We can do it together.
We can do it together.
We'll be all right.
We're going to be all right.
And just like you though, other than Natasha's show and Agatha all along, I really ain't
been watching anything.
A few episodes of Living Single.
Ooh, 911 is back on.
I love me some 911.
Although I would like to say with whoever is writing this show, no need to be so intense.

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God damn.
Every time y'all come back, the season premiere, it'd be a two or three goddamn episodes,
season premiere.
And we'd be on the edge of our fucking seats wondering if one of our favorite characters
is about to pass the fuck away.
Y'all don't have to do this every time.
We love the show.
We're going to keep watching.
I promise.
God damn.

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So much awesome niggas.
Every time.
Every time.
Listen, that's like Grey's Anatomy.
Grey's Anatomy had the most medical urgencies in a medical setting that I've ever seen in
my life.
God damn, this person got shot.
This person got hit by a bus.
This person got blowed up.
These are the doctors and nurses.

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What the fuck is going on?
My god friend.
Watch 911.
After about like, I want to say season two when they got their budget, because you already
know when it start getting into season two and three and that budget show up.
Wigs start being pressed.
What?
Them wigs start being pressed.

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Everybody's skin be glowing and shit.
Them stories also expanded.
Yes.
Friend, is that the one with the bees?
Yeah.
Friend, I seen that shit and it had made me so mad.
I didn't see the show, but I see the preview.
I was like, I know you fucking lying.

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It's got the cover artists, they face covered in bees and you just see eyeballs.
It's a bee-nado.
Whoever wrote that did so much.
So this season premiere is super gimmicky.
I'm not even sure why, because the show don't have to be that way.

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Even though that was the promotion of it, it doesn't have as much to do with the bees
as the commercial let on.
But Jesus Christ, I just need them to give us a little bit of a break.
God damn, I'm like, I can't cut it off because I'm invested.

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But yeah, it's a good show from the beginning.
But once that budget came in, so did them writers started to get beside themselves.
Like write some shit.
A lot of it is based on true stories, if I'm not mistaken, or true actual My One One calls.

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So it's funny as fuck, but it's also sad as fuck at times.
Fran, I would not want to be like, what do they call the people who...
Like the first responders?
Yeah, like a first responder, a dispatcher.
I would not want that job.

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Because can you just imagine some of the crazy shit that they get on a daily basis?
I seen a TikTok, she worked in the emergency room and I know that's just terrible.
She was like, dude came in and another creator did a parody of it.

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He's also a nurse, Nurse John, a Filipino dude.
He did a parody of it, but the woman was basically like, a couple came in and they had a blanket
wrapped around them.
And she was like, y'all can't do that here.
What's going on?
We're going to call security.
We need your help.

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First of all, you looking at me in pure fear and terror telling me you need my help and
she been over and you balls deep in...
What's going on?
You don't need my help.
What's happening?
Fran, why he...
So stupid.
Why did he mistake the Gorilla Glue for lube?

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Fran, shut up.
Fran.
Fran, you shut your mouth.
I don't know.
I don't know if she was telling the truth or not, but I was invested in this story.
Fran, you shut your mouth.
That sounds like the absolute worst thing I could imagine from all standpoints.

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Because the doctor is like...
I would have quit.
They would have took that blanket off and I would have been like, you know what?
This is it.
This was a straw.
That would have been my 13th reason.
I would have ran out in my white coat in front of a car.
I don't know if we would have even made it to the hospital, to be honest.

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I would have died.
Fran, what?
It don't move.
How was they driving?
I don't know, because in my mind I'm trying to visualize this.
She was in his left.

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Because they were using their legs to press the gas.
She was steering and he was...
Oh my God.
They could see all the way back.
I can't see your ass.
She bent over and the he's legs looked like a goddamn...

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They looked like a damn cartoon character.
You know how characters would be two people in one of them big ass coats.
Oh my God.
That's what they were trying to draw.
I was like, this story got to be fabricated because there ain't no way.
But the way she was telling it, I don't think she was actually lying.
I don't think she was lying either.
Insane.

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That's what I'm saying, some of the stuff that I hear these people talk about.
So Fran, I don't know.
It could be a whole bunch of bees tearing people's ass up and so on.
I don't know.
The story behind that storyline was like it was a truck carrying cases and cases of bees.
It was like a damn...

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Like an 18 wheeler full of them.
I don't know what they were doing, relocating them or something, I guess.
And the truck got into an accident.
And all of the bees got out and formed whatever they call that.
They had a technical reporting episode.
But yeah, that.

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And the shit then caused a goddamn plane accident.
And Angela Bassett is on the plane.
The pilot then got knocked the fuck out.
And she got to fly the plane back to...
That's too much.
It is too much.
We're starting to jump in Tyler Perry type shit now.
That's what I'm talking about.

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And it's a little 10 year old boy trying to help her fly the plane because he likes to
play aircraft games.
Tyler Perry type shit.
Because why is this toddler in there helping her fly a plane?
Because he wants to be a pilot and all he does is airplane simulations.

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Yup.
That's how that's going.
So I hope she lands safely.
I'm not sure if Angela Bassett gonna be around for the rest of the season.
Because that's how it goes every season premiere and every season finale.
It ain't always her.

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But one of the main characters is gonna be in some shit that we don't know if they're
gonna make it out of.
And the whole reason she's on the plane is because she had to escort a prisoner from
prison to another prison or something.
And they was on the plane and one of the passengers broke their leg on the...

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Of course.
One of the passengers broke their leg when the plane collided with the other small airplane.
And one of the people on the ground was talking to the dude in prison about like, okay, you
gotta get something sharp and cut a leg with so you don't cut off her circulation or some
shit like that.

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Oh my God.
And they were like, we don't have anything sharp.
Everybody made it through TSA, right?
And the guy is in prison, he was like, give me a toothbrush and a lighter.
I can make it.
If they don't get this out of here.

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She said that's a pleasant shit.
What'd you learn to make that?
He's a weird...
What'd you think?
He's an old black man.
Well, you got a two year old flying down plane because he played PS5.
And I know she got that short bob wig on.

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She does have that short bob wig.
And she in there with this 27 piece trying to land a plane.
Bees down there tearing folks the hell up.
And you got an old black man making a shame.
Leave me alone.
Oh shit, friend, you gotta see it.

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I'm so dead.
You gotta see it to understand.
Ooh, that was a good laugh.
I can laugh about it now.
I was in there worried about it the other day.
I'm dead.
I'm dead.
What else you got going on, friend?
Friend, that's it for me.
Everything else is pretty good.

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Life is good overall.
I'm thankful.
I love that.
There's that.
I love that.
Well, Top Chef is going to be short and brief this week.
I want to start out with Mamatide.
Mamatide.
And here's the thing.
When misinformation has come out, she did say some stuff that was, and we're going to

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dive a lot further into this a little bit later, but there's a difference between misinformation
and disinformation.
And my friend is going to give you all that definition when we start doing the main topic
breakdown.
But essentially, in short, her rant was a little bit of both, right?

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What she said out of her mouth, I did not vote for Trump the first time or the second
time, but she definitely said some things that were super problematic and hurtful, probably
because she was also hurt as well.
But it didn't come from an educated place.
And sometimes, sometimes, not all the times, I think you have to have a healthy balance

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of both, but you do have to know how to regulate your emotions enough to know when things come
of educational value, like you know that the information is factual and correct versus
just saying shit because that's how you feel.
You got to know how to balance both because I do think your feelings are important as

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well.
And sometimes, my friend and I were talking about intrusive thoughts earlier.
We will not share that conversation with you.
We sure won't.
Y'all ain't going to put me in nobody's institution.
Baby, they will put me in the institution after they hear what the hell I said earlier.
So yeah, we're not going to...
My point is you have to know how to have that balancing act.

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If y'all don't wait for me next week, I'll be in jail.
Right.
Just over here saying shit like we ain't talking through the internet.
Like girl.
But yeah, you have to have a healthy balancing act of both.

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And Mama Tot's feelings got the best of her and she said some dumb shit.
That's the nicest way to put it.
She said some dumb things, but she did clear some of it up and she did apologize.
But I want to say this.
There was another TikTok creator who made a statement and I said this shit a few years
ago when the pandemic was really hitting back in 2020 and we were going through basically

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what seems like a second civil right movement.
It was a black person getting murdered every other day.
We literally had like four back to back.
Whew.
And...
God.
Another time to be alive.
A lot of us saw a lot of people's true colors during that time.
White people that we thought we were cool with or whatever the case may be, we saw them

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for what they were.
And I said then, I was like, one thing I am learning and have learned over my years on
this earth is always trust white people to white people.
And that's a word.
Because friend, you couldn't have told me before all of that, you could not have told
me that it was still around like that.

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But my God, today did they prove me wrong.
And not all of them.
We're not going to say that.
No, no.
I mean, again, we don't believe all people are bad people.
You know?
Right.
But the majority?
Yeah.
Yeah, just always trust white people to white people.
When in doubt, trust white people to white people.

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And again, that doesn't go for everybody, but it takes a special kind of person.
I have always said this, that racism was never the fault of any other racist, not racist,
but racist who were affected by it or oppressed by it.
This was always at, you know, the responsibility of the oppressor.
Right, it's not black people or brown people or indigenous or whatever.

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It's not our job, any person of color, to fix racism.
Racism and the things that brewed from it is, is, and racism, classism, all them isms.
Racism and classism is probably the two biggest things.
Right.

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Because they also kind of just trickle down in other things as well.
But yeah, yeah, Mamatai is disappointing, but I hate to say it, always expect white
people to white people.
And then Kamala has been on a podcast tour and I love that for her.
I love that she's smart enough to know how to reach younger generations because a lot

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of us forget that while Kamala is not nearly as old as the Crip Keepers that was running
before, and that is still running because he absolutely has dementia.
Y'all's Lord and Savior has dementia, whether y'all want to admit it or not.
Admit it or not.
He is delusional and probably don't know where he at right now.

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He and Mara Largo talking about he and Laura Margo.
Okay.
He don't know what the fuck is going on.
That man is running around here possessed.
It's shameful.
But people forget that Kamala is not a spring chicken.
She's 59.
She'll be 60 in, well actually in a couple of days.

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She's still young by presidential standards, let me put it that way.
She sure is.
And she's still, I think she's a Gen Xer.
So she's not that far removed from reality and she grew up in, and I hate to say this,
but this is the truth, she grew up in the real world.
There was no silver spoon.
You know what I'm saying?
There was no silver spoon.

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It was plastic forks and knives like the rest of us.
And she's an immigrant as well.
So yeah, she's a child of an immigrant.
There's that part too, because kids are not nice and kids and adults, I'm sure.
It's a lot going on.

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But I say that because she's really pushing finding her crowd, finding her people, going
on these podcasts.
And she's really not just reaching the masses, but she's being thoughtful and insightful
and she's still maintaining her toughness and her greediness.
If you have not seen the podcast or watched the interview of Call Her Daddy, oh gosh,

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what her name?
I think it's Alex Cooper.
And then also the All the Smoke podcast, both of those are brilliant.
Go check them out.
Listen to what she had to say.
I really enjoyed them.
But I want to talk about Alex Cooper in her interview on Call Her Daddy podcast.
So she gave this amazing statement about abortions because that's...

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I want to be very specific in what I'm about to say.
Abortions have nothing to do with anything less or more than controlling women's bodies,
period.
That's all I can think of because I still don't understand.
It's a non-issue to me.
There's a lot more stuff to worry about in the world.
And at the end of the day, that's just it, friend.

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There's so many other things happening.
And it's just like to tell a woman that if a family member or some random person or whatever
the case, you just got to deal with it.
Sorry.
Fuck you.
Sorry.
I'm not even going to say there's so much more in the world.
There's so much more in the United States to worry about than this.

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For sure.
It's insane that y'all even wasted time to write legislation for this to be a thing.
I heard somebody say this the other day and I fell in love and I cannot remember who said
it.
And I sincerely apologize, but I thought it was such a brilliant statement.
And it says that people nowadays are so focused on being people in power that they forget

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to be powerful people.
And just being human, Kamala's the right choice from a human perspective.
She's talking about the actual rights of people.
This isn't really a conversation.
The fact we're having conversations about people's rights to live and exist and be happy

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is crazy.
But that brings me to a comment that I saw in the TikTok that took me to that interview
that made me go watch the whole interview.
But there was a TikToker that made a comment and I'm going to... This is a summarized
version, but essentially what was said was, why should the religious choice and belief

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of others take away the choices of those who are not religious or share the same religions?
Better say that again.
I'm going to say it again.
Tell me why.
Tell me why.
Why should the religious choice and belief of others take away the choices of those who
are not religious or share the same religion?

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There was a video that I saw not too long ago, and I think I sent it to see you, Fran.
We was probably cackling about it.
But do you remember that video of the psychotic people that was on the plane and just randomly
started pulled out a guitar and started singing Christian hymns?
Yes.
Yes, God.
Listen, that shit is insane.

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I don't give a fuck what you believe.
That's actually insane.
Honestly, Fran, I can't imagine.
I'd probably be on the no-fly list right now.
No, I probably would have been, but for other reasons, because I would have got up and been
like, hop-bah, and then started doing... Because why can't they sing they stuff?

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You don't want to hear what they got to say.
Like it's just-
But you want me to sit here and listen to you.
Even if I am a Christian, girl, we on the plane with a lot of different other people.
That's what we got headphones and shit for.
Thank you.
COVID, dirty asses, the bubonic plague, all this shit going around, smallpox, monkeypox,

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two pox, all this shit is in the air, and you over me with hot ass breath playing this
guitar.
They probably was unwashed.
Traveling is exhausting.
Wafting.
Just wafting, just air just loose.
God.

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Our God is an awesome God, he reigns the way-
I'm glad you feel that way about him.
I really am.
Can you do it in silence?
The way I would have pulled the Sonja blade and like, you know that move, like wrap her
leg around your neck and flip your ass?
And she snapped his neck.

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Yes.
Turned into Sonja blade.
Please.
Please.
But the thing is like, America's known as being the melting pot, which we know is a
goddamn lie in the first place.
Like it is-
In a sense, but-
It is because we are, but like the tolerance is not there.

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So it's like, we welcome everybody, we just don't tolerate you.
Right.
True, true Americans do.
Cause I like to feel all of us, aside from one group of people is fairly tolerant of
other things.
We, and we're seeing that because this is the first time that we've seen like not just

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a few Republicans, but a very good bunch of people be like, I can't with good heart and
conscious mind vote for him this time.
And I honestly, and again, again, trust white people to white people.
You're not doing this because you really care about the rights of others.
And I know that sounds terrible for him.

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To go off of what you're saying, honestly, I just think white people are scared about
their freedom being taken away.
That's it.
They don't really give a fuck.
They don't care about us.
We don't want you to be slaves, but you know, fuck everything else.
I'm just saying we know what time it is, Fran.
It's it's yeah, it's it is what it is.

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I hate being aware of stuff sometimes.
Like I wish I could just go back to not knowing things.
That's a conversation that we need to have because they're, I'm going to send you this
picture that I had from years ago.
I saved in like one of my clouds, but I have kept this picture for I'm not even bullshitting
for like at least a decade.
I think I downloaded this originally in 2013 or 14, but it is a photo of two men and one

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is standing on books and he's looking over this drawn image and he can see what the real
world is.
The other person is just standing normally and he's not elevated in keyword.
He's not elevated in any way.
So he only sees the painting, which I think the original title of the photo was like ignorance

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is bliss.
And again, that self-awareness, like being aware and not just being aware, but actually
caring about other people, it's a lot sometimes in like realizing, here's the other part people
don't talk about, realizing that other people don't care is also a lot.

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Yes, God, it is.
I feel like if we all cared, we really all could have made big significant changes by
now.
But honestly, I don't feel like we care enough.
And that's not something you can just put on an individual because even me myself, how
much like, I mean, I do care, but how much do I really care?

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Do I care enough to give up my comfort?
Yep, my comfort.
I mean, I would if everybody else would, I 100% would, but I'm not going to do it alone.
I think we talked about this at one point, we were talking about like community and how
community is so different from what it used to be to what it is now.

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I feel like back in the day, and I could be oblivious, I could be wrong, but you know,
I truly, and this actually did happen to me and my sister one time.
So me and my sister Faith got lost in the woods following this white girl.
See what I'm saying?
Oh Lord, it was a demon.
No, but I don't know what happened, but me and Faith got lost.

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And we ended up, we was friend, we was hollering.
Like I'm not even joking.
I was like maybe 10, so Faith had to be like seven.
We end up all the way over there by the Dairy Queen and we lived by-

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Which Dairy Queen?
So the Dairy Queen up there by the law firm that I used to work at and one down the street.
Okay, cool.
So like we used to live like the street, do you know where you remember where Rudd Furniture
is at?
I don't know if it's still Rudd Furniture.
So like the street is called Virginia Drive, but like it's like in front of the Conoco

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and all that stuff.
Yep.
We used to live down that street.
So we were talking small kids and then all the way up from there to where that area,
like somewhere in that little neighborhood where that Dairy Queen is at.
And like we're crying, we're snot-nosed, we're panicked.

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And this older white couple, like they hear us and they bring us inside and they're like,
do you know your mommy's phone number?
And I can't remember if it was me or Faith, but one of us did.
And they called mama and she came and got us.
Friend-
What'd she say?
Did she threaten y'all?
Because that's what black parents do.

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You already heard they threaten your ass.
So I'm going to speak from a parental side of that.
As a parent, nothing pisses you off more than when you're scared for your child.
I don't know why them two things go together, but it is like a genuine fear and anger that
happens at the same time.
Like what the fuck?

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Didn't I tell you to get, look at you, don't cut yourself.
Come here.
Like you're angry.
Like you're going off on me.
I am hurt.
And you said that you hurt too.
I am hurt, grandma.

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I am hurting.
Like it-
I'm gonna beat your motherfucking ass.
It's like, it's just, I don't know how to explain it, but it's like your child do some
stupid shit and it's just like, and your nerve shot out today.
But yeah, I'm pretty sure mama was upset with us, but friend, I say all of that to say,
I don't know if that story would play out the same today, which breaks my heart.

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I don't, I genuinely don't know.
I don't know.
You know what that brings me to?
And then we gonna have to switch because we, we been, we all off subject.
Do you remember that video of those two little boys that showed up at that man door, like
crying and they were naked?

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No.
I know I sent this to you friend.
It was like in the middle, it was like at two o'clock in the morning or something.
Oh my gosh.
And they were like screaming and they were crying and they were like, please, please,
please, please let us in, please help.
And it turns out they were, I don't, I think they had been like trapped or I don't know
if they had been kidnapped or something.

(40:10):
Wow.
But he actually did like let them in.
Wowzer.
And I was thinking about that.
And like, as you think about it a little bit deeper, the shit we see is like so fucked
up that I'm like, I'm not sure if I would have thought that this was like a genuine,
they actually do need my help thing.

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Ah, okay.
Or if this is like some, yeah, if this is a setup of some kind.
Yeah.
Like would I have even opened a door?
Or just called the police?
See, see, you with me, you, you with me with what I'm saying.
Like I, like, I feel like things are just really, really, I feel like things are really

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different like and not in like a good way.
Yep.
I'm going to try to find that and send it to you because that story was crazy.
And then lastly, like I said, not a lot of news y'all, JD Banks.
And this is going to tie right into today's topic y'all.
So today's topic is the rise of myths and disinformation.

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How AI ties into that, how just lack of knowledge and awareness, social media, like how all
these things tie together.
I feel like social media, I have such a, I have a huge love hate relationship with social
media.
I have deleted and restarted accounts 30,000 times.
That's not even a, that's not a joke.

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I really don't like being there.
Yep.
And it's like, you love it when it's good, but when it's bad, it's so bad.
It's so bad.
That is it.
But it is bad, it is, it is, it is dangerously bad actually.
Like it is not good.

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I have said this before and I still stand on this, even though our podcast is considered
a form of like, not per se social, I guess it is like a form of social media.
Like this is, we're putting this out, you know, but like, I, I don't think people should

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have access to several hundreds of thousands of other people's thoughts, millions.
I don't think that's good for us.
A hundred percent agreed.
I think, well, on top of it being too late for that, I think it's kind of taken away
our ability to have our own thoughts about things.

(42:50):
For sure.
Other people, like that's where the whole influencer thing comes in.
Right, right.
People who are more powerful, they have a more powerful voice than you, not necessarily
saying the bigger platform, even though that goes into it too.
But some people, if you're convincing enough, you say it loud enough, you got your chest
poked out enough, you sound believable with certain shit.

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So you influence the next person's way of thinking about the situation in general.
No matter if you intended to, some people I wholeheartedly believe get on here and say
shit.
They don't mean shit they saying.
They know they don't mean shit they saying.
They just be doing it to get attention, their likes, views or whatever.

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But everybody else don't know that.
Right.
Yeah.
I don't want to say people are weak minded, because I don't think it's an intentional
thing to just give up what you were thinking for somebody else's way of thinking.
It just kind of happens, if it makes any sense at all.

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This is where I'm going to veer off and disagree just slightly.
I know for a fact that we as people like drama.
We do.
That is why people enjoy gossip as much as they do.
And they don't really give a fuck about believing what is or what isn't true.

(44:27):
Yeah, that's true.
And who cares about the truth if the lie is more entertaining?
Right.
There we go.
There we go.
The truth with the lie is more entertaining.
That kind of brings us into the Jaguar rights.
I'm not even going to say Orlando Bloom.

(44:47):
Okay, so here's the thing.
I have thoughts on that as well.
As someone who has a very close relationship-
Orlando Brown.
Orlando Brown, I'm so sorry.
I said Orlando Bloom, not Katy Perry's husband.
Right.
Orlando Brown.
But I have a very close and personal relationship to family with mental illness.

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One of my siblings suffers from actual schizophrenia.
And we took care of him for as many years as we could.
And now he's getting like a sister.
I'm not going to go into that, but it is a lot.
And it is a burden to bear.

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And I feel like Jaguar right absolutely has some form of schizophrenia, some form of psychosis.
This woman was throwing her son's dead ashes at people and rubbing them on her.
And she even gives you, she slightly off.

(45:55):
It kind of upsets me that people take advantage of people like that.
And it's just more of an entertaining thing.
Not even what's factual or what's true.
This is like you literally just said, this is more of entertainment value.
And even what did old girl say earlier, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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So I'm not taking anything away from some of the stuff that she's saying.
But then it's like, which I'm going to break this down.
We're going to break this down for you exactly what's what.
So hopefully this helps.
Some of you won't give a fuck.
I'm not stupid.
I know this.
Some of you will continue to believe the lie and just not educate yourself.

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Which I don't want to say I don't have a problem with it.
I do have a problem with it because we live, while we do live in the age of information,
it's only it's only relevant if you use it the right way.
Right?
Like, it doesn't matter how much information is out there and how much knowledge we can
easily obtain.

(47:02):
If you just choose to believe some whole tip ass nigga on YouTube who came up with two
facts versus the 18 dead ass wrong other things that he said, like, is frustrating, is infuriating
because it's like a lot of this stuff is it's it's easy stuff and y'all are choosing to

(47:27):
miss it.
And my friend, he and I were talking about something earlier and today's people make
me question we had the conspiracy theory episode not too long ago, but.
So the fun can write, right?
For whatever the hell is happening today is aliens.

(47:50):
Aliens aren't conspiracy.
Yeah, no aliens.
I'm just waiting for these things to pull up any point.
Like could y'all please.
It's a hurricane.
If you could stop it.
Child, don't say that, please.
Because I'm so tired of hearing that the government is controlling the weather.
It's a weather machine.
Less less not.

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So what was happening before we had weather machines with hurricanes have been naturally
events for a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very long time.
Very long time.
Let's get into it.
Let's get into it, friend.
Oh, but that it brings me to the end of Top Shelf.

(48:34):
JD Vance and Tim Waltz had their debates and JD got mad because he was like, why are y'all
fact checking me?
We agree to y'all not fact checking me.
Do you know how insane that shit is?
The fact that you said it out loud is what's crazy to me.

(48:55):
Wait, wait now.
Y'all said y'all won't fact check me.
Y'all said I could come up here and lie.
That's basic.
That is essentially what he said.
Y'all said I could come up here and lie and not what's going on.
Like he already.
If that didn't sound like he put me in the mind of like, fuck, what's his name?

(49:19):
Ah, shit.
God, the actor.
Funny as fuck.
Step brothers.
No.
Will Ferrell.
Will Ferrell.
He put me in the mind of Will Ferrell when he said that.
Do you remember that political movie Will Ferrell was in?
When he punched that baby in the face.

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Listen, friend, him saying that I just, the way, the way that they're comfortable with
lying.
Why is this even something that has to be discussed?
Why was this ever, why?
Here's the one question.
Why was this ever an agreement?
So we could just get on national TV in like.

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And to be honest, I'm not mad at them for lying to him about it.
No, not at all.
So he could get up there and lie and then get fact checked.
Fuck him.
You shouldn't be that comfortable lying.
Right.
I'm not mad with them at all.
I probably would have done it too.
Yeah.
No, of course not.

(50:25):
Get up there and say what you want.
They're going to believe it.
You should not be that comfortable lying.
Like that is actually crazy to me.
That shit is, that shit was insane to me.
Um, but yeah, let's get to the meat and potatoes of this because I'm not going to drag y'all.
I'm not going to call y'all dummies.

(50:45):
Um, even when you do dumb shit.
Yeah.
People, people really aren't, people aren't dumb.
And some of this stuff, like, as I was looking it up, I didn't really know.
I ain't know terms for it and I thought some, some stuff was different than what it was.
So let's get into it.
Okay.
So the first one, this is what I was finding out because I thought these two were interchangeable,

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but they're not.
So misinformation is the inadvertent spread of false information.
Misinformation can occur when individuals or organizations unwittingly get the facts
wrong.
So let's just say like a breaking news, something just happened.
Maybe they don't got all the facts yet.
They think they do and they say some shit that's not true, but whatever they said, that's

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not true.
Get spread around.
That's misinformation.
Disinformation is false information that is designed, designed to mislead others and is
deliberately spread with the intent to manipulate truth or facts.
That's what we see a lot of now, especially when it comes to politics.

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Then there's a person.
Yes.
That's the very last one I want to give you is a denialist.
This is a person who denies the existence, truth or validity of something despite proof
or strong evidence that it is real, true or valid.
Someone who practices denialism.
This is also a lot of what's happening because of disinformation.

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Them too go hand in hand.
Okay, now we can continue.
No, friend.
That's perfect.
Thank you for that.
Make sure you put that somewhere in the links too.
Definitely am.
So that brings us to the second part of this.
I'm going to go through it pretty quickly, but basically understanding how to validate

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the information to make it relevant, right?
Because we can say things, but then that becomes gossip and hearsay, right?
Even in the information I'm about to give you, they consider hearsay a part of evidence,
but you will hear within the definition that it is without scientific research.

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So this is just things that are said, but are not proven.
Key points.
So hearsay, gossip, disinformation, essentially.
All of them that they're in a poly relationship with each other.
Everybody fucking each other.

(53:33):
And they fucking you too.
Cause you sitting there believing it.
The Democrats are eating the babies.
Okay.
They're killing the babies at nine months or after they're born.
Sir, there's nowhere in the United States where they're this legal.
Ms. Harris.
The way she was like, no, I'm not actually, I'm actually not doing this shit.

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I'm actually not doing this shit.
So we're going to include links.
So this isn't just us talking out of our ass.
This is, I took a lot of my time yesterday to actually do the research, to get the information
and definitions so you can understand this with us.
So primary and secondary sources.

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You've heard me mention this before, so I'm going to give you examples of what each is.
A primary source includes examples such as letters, diaries, original photographs, government
records, autobiographies, artifacts, speeches, mostly things that are recorded.
If you notice, that's the common theme there.

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Secondary sources.
First hand recordings.
There we go.
Exactly.
So letters, diaries, those, those came from the source themselves.
They came from the source.
Like that would be like me saying, I'm going to give you a prime example.
In my diary, if I write, I like Jane Doe, that's a primary source because that is, so

(55:00):
if someone says, well, hope said, I can show you cause hope wrote this.
This came directly from her first, first hand person, secondary sources, information created
by someone who was not present at an event, but after the event happened, including newspaper

(55:21):
articles, textbooks, biographies, TV documentaries, non-original photographs, encyclopedias, dictionaries,
et cetera.
Yo, yo friend that has a friend that went to the party and she came back and told her
friend what happened at the party and friend come back and tell you.

(55:45):
Right.
Secondary sources.
And so the definition, primary sources are original, unaltered records or data that have
not been interpreted or analyzed by others.
Again, first source.
These sources provide firsthand accounts or direct evidence pertaining to the topics of
study offering unique insights and raw data.

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Again, artifacts, audio recordings, autobiographies, things that are coming, bio facts, diaries,
emails, things that are coming directly from said person.
Okay.
And this is interesting cause some of this stuff I ain't even really, I never really
knew.
I mean, past being in school and it's been a while since I done been in school.

(56:34):
It's a listen, I don't remember some of this.
I enjoyed this is good information.
I told you that's still one of my dreams.
Maybe one day I'll be a teacher.
I love this type of stuff.
I love the work that I have to put in looking stuff up and I like educating people and I
like to be educated.
I'm not a know it all y'all.
I know I'm talking a lot of shit, but I love teach me, teach me to teach me how to love

(57:00):
that.
Oh, that makes me sad.
That was my dad's ringtone.
I'm sorry.
No, no, no, no.
It's like, that's a happy sad.
That's a happy sad.
Now going back to the here saying gossip, I'm going to tie this in, in a moment, but
the definition of gossip, a person who, and I'm giving you two.
So the noun and the verb, the noun is a person who habitually reveals personal or sensational

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facts about others.
Keyword there, sensational verb, casual or unconstrained conversational reports about
other people, typically involving details, which are false and malicious.
Oops, sorry.
I hit my mic y'all.
False and malicious.
Again, that is disinformation.

(57:46):
I told you poly relationship, everybody fucking everybody and then they fucking you.
That's where you got that brain STD for.
Can I define another word?
Absolutely.
Take it over.
Sensational, just in case you don't know what I mean.
Cause okay, some of these words, you, you kind of get their meaning through, through
context and when people are saying them, right?
But sensational actually means presenting information in a way that is intended to provoke

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public interest and excitement.
There we go.
At the expense of accuracy.
Keyword key phrase.
Can you repeat that last part?
Cause that's there we go.
At the expense of accuracy.
So embellishing, making up a little something, putting a little razzle dazzle on it.

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Putting a little razzle.
If you will.
You know, it happens a lot.
It happens a lot with titles.
All these, uh, all these clickable, these headlines that we see them big bold letters,
sensationalized a lot.
We see it all the time on, on YouTube.
Click bait.

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That's what we call them.
Click bait.
When you see a video and they're like, so selling my Sony gear and then it's got like
question marks and they ain't doing nothing like that.
They, they test an account.
It's like, it's, it's thank you, Fran.
Thank you, Fran.
Period.
Team.
So I am going to frame, if you could go ahead and pull up that slot that I sent.

(59:19):
Okay.
Yes, ma'am.
You better teach her.
Okay.
I got it in front of me right now.
All right.
So this is, this is huge because this is going to tie everything in together because y'all,
what did I say?
The main difference between primary secondary sources, information is accuracy, evidence

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validating that what was said and or done is the truth.
This is where evidence comes in and there's more than one type of evidence.
When we think of evidence, we think of proving something, right?
Like you hear, you know, what does it say in an accord of law, uh, without the evidence
presented that, like, you know, we heard, uh, many me say that he didn't shoot our queen

(01:00:13):
beloved even though the evidence said that he did.
Right.
And now he's in prison playing butt games.
Shout out to that little bitch.
Um, going back to the gossip, people love the drama.

(01:00:33):
They love the drama.
They don't give a fuck about no facts.
Facts are, here's the truth.
Here's the truth.
Facts are boring.
That's for the most part, facts are boring.
They're not entertaining.
This is how places like the shade room still exists.
Even though they are just drama field garbage.

(01:00:57):
Okay.
Right.
Like a true detriment.
I'm black.
Right.
But people love the drama.
People.
People also leave it open for discourse with the intent of it being negative discourse.
Oh, this person, look at this transgender teenager, Zaya Wade.

(01:01:21):
They love fucking with her.
They love fucking with her because she has two parents that love her.
And they're wealthy and that baby don't bother nobody.
She can never really.
She just living her life.
Y'all got popcorn roofs and you eating ramen for dinner.
She doesn't know anything about that.
She's living her best life.
She's going to have so many opportunities.
Trans and all.
Living her life like it's golden.

(01:01:41):
Living her life like it's golden.
As she should.
And you're giving bronze.
You're giving aluminum foil.
But you got so much to say.
You're giving brick.
Brick.
In our electric voice.
But yeah.

(01:02:02):
And it ain't even on some classes and bullshit, right?
Like that's funny.
But it's really not like she don't fuck with y'all.
She is happy living her life.
And I'm pretty sure she's not happy all the time.
Some of y'all are mean bitches.
But when I tell you the shade room loves or let Boosie say something homophobic or terrible
first goddamn story on the page.

(01:02:24):
What you say?
Pin, pin, pin the bits to the top.
Anything just terrible.
Y'all it again, people love drama.
People have got even at the eggs.
I love the fact that you dropped in that sensational definition because even at the expense at
razzle dazzle.
So the meaning of evidence, I'm going to give you the Google definition.

(01:02:50):
Evidence is the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or
proposition is true or valid.
Next slide.
There are different types, five different types of evidence.
President statistical testimonial hearsay common knowledge.
I'm going to do the first one and then I'm gonna let my friend take over the next one.

(01:03:13):
President evidence.
Y'all I'm learning this as we go through.
Listen.
Cause I ain't know all of this was a thing.
When she say she was putting in her work, she wasn't lying.
And wasn't.
President evidence, this is an act or an event that establishes expectations for future conduct.
There are two different types of president evidence, personal and legal.

(01:03:36):
Personal president evidence is observational learning.
Take for example, one is learning to drive by watching a more experienced driver.
The driver sits the president for the student driver by following or not following traffic
laws.
Basically watch and learn.

(01:03:57):
Legal president evidence are rulings that become legal principle established by the
courts for future decisions.
That's why they always saying the president president was set with so and so versus so
and so.
There we go.
Okay.
All right, friend.
I'm gonna let you take over statistical evidence.
All right.

(01:04:18):
Statistical evidence.
It is numerical reporting that primarily comes from the results of polls, surveys, and scientific
experiments.
Statistical evidence is not that reliable because the surveys can be biased as well
as the people that are chosen to take them.
For example, polls will say Donald Trump is leading if you do the surveys in a red area.

(01:04:47):
So let's say we want to pull polls in Mississippi.
Well, of course, it's biased.
We already know which direction that's gonna lead.
So there we go.
Testimonial evidence.
Testimonial evidence is an opinion of reality as stated by another person.

(01:05:10):
There are three forms of testimonial evidence, eyewitness, expert witness, and historiography.
I don't want to tear that word up.
Historiography.
There we go.
Eyewitness testimony is a personal testimony.
The person was present at the time of the event and observed what took place.
Expert witness is a qualified, key word, qualified person used to make a personal declaration

(01:05:37):
of the subject at hand and expert witness can consist of a psychologist or some type
of scientist, et cetera.
This is where some of these other definitions are gonna come in because this means they
did their research to validate what they're saying.
They can prove it because they have the data to back it up.
This is why they always have those people come in in court cases.

(01:05:57):
Exactly.
Okay, nice.
And then historiography is an historian, someone that traces, influences, assigns motives,
evaluates roles, allocates responsibilities, and juxtaposes events in an attempt to reconstruct
the past.

(01:06:18):
Wow.
Damn.
Listen, we learning things.
That's interesting as fuck.
First of all, I've never heard that word before, historiography.
And the definition is like, this looks interesting as hell.
Right, I told you.
Doing my thugdizzle.

(01:06:40):
Go ahead and take types of evidence continued at hearsay.
All right.
Here's a evidence, an assertion or set of assertions widely repeated from person to person,
though its accuracy is unconfirmed by firsthand observation.
In simple terms, it is a rumor.
This type of evidence can only be effective outside of a courtroom.

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Pay attention to that one, because that's where we live in 2024.
And why would that be outside of a courtroom, y'all?
Let's go back to the historiography.
Okay, the historian or the expert witness or the eyewitness.
This is where these Jaguar Whites are coming in.

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This is where this is coming in.
Because the key word here is only effective outside of the courtroom because there's no
valid evidence.
Jaguar White be saying a lot of shit, but I need her to pull receipts.
Ain't got a single receipt.
She been talking on that couch for years.

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Ain't seen a single receipt.
I need a text message.
I need something, okay?
Because now it's just gossip.
Now it's just hearsay.
Now it's just you saying shit.
Go ahead and take common knowledge evidence, Marianne.
All right, common knowledge evidence is using one's knowledge as evidence to support an

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argument.
This type of evidence is usually used in an argument that has no real controversy.
Okay, so this sounds like bias, pretty much.
You're using your own knowledge as evidence to support an argument.
Why I keep wanting to say argument?
The fuck is that?
It's all right, friend.
We're doing all this reading.
Right, but this is bias.

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This is why you can't tell nobody nothing.
Because nobody's mind is open to hear the other side.
The thing is, it depends on... I won't say it's bias just for one reason.
Because the first sentence is using one's knowledge as evidence to support an argument.
This means this could also be someone who has collected the data.

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The way I view this one is saying McDonald's used to have 99 cent double cheeseburgers.
Now to a person now that... These young babies, they don't know nothing about that.
We know about that.
They don't know.
You remember them 25 cent bag of chips?
Child, the little penny candy.
Them little tooties are whatever.
Them chits is still the bomb.

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They miss it.
25 cent where?
That's common knowledge to our generation.
It wouldn't be to theirs.
Okay, I got you.
That's how I view that.
It's still factual.
A lot of people can actually say that they know this because they witnessed it.

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Also, I'm going to toss some freaky shit into it.
This also goes into our conversation about the Mandela effect.
A group of people, you're telling us that there was no cornucopia.
Bitch, don't get us like me.
How the fuck would I know what a cornucopia is?

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It's not something that people just know.
It's not a common thing.
It's not a common thing.
You don't see a cornucopia of nothing.
You don't see that anywhere.
I feel like that's where that common knowledge evidence comes in.
People can collectively say, wait a minute, I'm going to challenge that because I remember
this thing.
Right.
Also, no real controversy.
That's where some of that revisionist history comes into place.

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Exactly.
I'll take the next slide.
Why is evidence important to an argument?
This is where I need you all to listen.
Evidence is the foundation of an argument.
I'm going to read that one more time.
Evidence is the foundation of an argument.
Without the facts, evidence provide an argument cannot prevail.
Period.

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So basically, I want you all to Google this because girl who has time, but the Greek pantheon
structure breaks down what each part of the structure represents.
So the roof is the claim.
The beans is the contentions.
The pillars, the reasoning, the foundation, the argument.

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Okay.
And then Fran, I'm going to let you take credibility of evidence.
All right.
So one needs to be able to tell others where you obtained your evidence from.
Not all evidence is credible evidence.

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One can check the credibility of their evidence by asking yourself the following questions.
Great reference to source.
Does the advocate tell you enough about the source that you could easily find it yourself?
The qualification of the source.

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Does the advocate give you reason to believe that the source is competent and well informed
in the area in question?
Bias of the source.
Could one easily predict the source's position merely from a knowledge of his or her job,
his or her political party or organization he or she works for?
Then factual support.

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Does the source offer factual support or the position taken or simply state personal opinions
as fact?
Y'all listen to that as much as you need to.
Listen to that part as much as you need to.
Replay this part of the podcast back as much as you need to.
Those are huge.

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That is the uses of evidence.
That's everything you need right there.
Pretty much.
The uses of evidence to establish conclusive proof for your position.
The use of evidence in such a way that the law will not permit it to be contradicted
or that is strong and convincing enough to override any objections to it.

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So that means we're just going to break it down.
If I hit somebody with my car and Atticus is across the street, he's an eyewitness.
He saw me do this.
The doctor who is putting this person's pelvic bone back in place because they wanted to

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play in front of my little Toyota and I told they ass up.
They're going to be able to tell that I hit them with my little Corolla because they're
going to see that Toyota mark right up on this ball.
That Toyota imprint on they thought.
That's your expert witness.
Are y'all following what I'm saying?
This is all going, when this comes together, then we have facts.

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And then the street light, because Texas got cameras everywhere, y'all already know.
There's cameras on them things.
Okay.
You run, you're going to get that ticket.
But that's another form of evidence.
Why?
Matter of fact, that's a primary source because they can look and see that I ran this mother
over.
Y'all following what I'm saying?

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There's no objections to it because all the evidence is basically hand in hand.
It's just climbing on top of each other.
Everything works together to say this is what happened.
This is concise information.
This is what happened.

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Next part, establish circumstantial proof for your position.
These types of evidence are used to form a link strong enough to prove one's point.
Testing your evidence.
This is another one.
One has to be able to trust the accuracy of its evidence.
There are a few tests that one can use to check the accuracy of evidence they have acquired.

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One recency.
How recent is the evidence that you are using?
Does the source have knowledge of more recent development?
Sufficiency.
Is there enough evidence to justify all the claims that are being made from this source?
Logical relevance.
Can one reasonably draw the conclusion being urged based on what evidence states?

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Internal consistency.
Does the source contradict itself?
Important.
That's important.
That's important.
Go ahead and take evidence and critical thinking.
Critical thinking.
Critical thinking.
Evidence and critical thinking.
Okay.
A critical thinker is one who relies on reason rather than emotions to make a decision or

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come to a conclusion.
We're going to come back to that.
That's going to be in a future episode.
Reason comes from evaluating facts.
Evidence.
A critical thinker should be one whose mind can be changed based on the evidence at hand,
putting aside one's beliefs.
That's a Gemini right there.

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What is that saying that we see all the time on TikTok?
It's become like a TikTok journey for people to say this, but it's the truth.
You are free to change your mind when new evidence is presented.
That's all it is.
That's all it is.
I am huge on learning and unlearning.

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Both of these are super important to progressing in life.
So, evidence.
We got that out of the way.
Let's go into what actually has to take place here.
Research.
I'm going to give you the definition of research.
Learning research, a collection of methods and methodologies that researchers apply systematically

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to produce scientifically based knowledge about the social world.
Research.
That's why people say do your research.
Frank, can you read what science is for me?
Let's go.
Science is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study

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of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and
experiment.
There we go.
Essentially, research, science, married hand in hand.
Hand in hand.
It's just the two of them.
You do your experiment.
You get your hypothesis.
This is how you can prove or validate whatever you said.
You do this through science and research.

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Research and science get together.
They fuck.
They have a baby called evidence.
There we go.
There we go.
There we go.
But let the Republicans abort that one.
That's the baby they want to abort.
Kill that child.
That child got to go.

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That is what it boils down to.
Frank, can you pull up one more definition for me?
What's that?
Can you pull up the definition of the word fact and or facts?
What are facts?
A fact is a thing that is known or proved to be true.
Information used as evidence or as part of a report of a news article.

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And in law terms, they use it, the truth about a set of events as opposed to interpretation.
A thing that is known or proved to be true.
Again, a lot of this stuff that we're hearing is emotional based, not logical based.
There's no evidence to support the things that are being said.

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Now when it comes to the diddler, Sean Diddy Combs, there was nothing being said about
him that several people have not said for the last several years.
We say several years, literally since the 90s.
You start hearing some of this stuff.
The mid 90s for sure.

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So we're not talking like, and again, we can only speak from a black experience because
we're black.
So if you're a part of the culture, you already know what's been said.
These are things that have been said since the late, like he said, since the late 90s.
So Jaguar White coming on and saying the shit she'd been saying is a spectacular, is a new,

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this is shit that people already know.
People have been talking about this for a very, very, very long time.
Very long time.
This is stuff that's already been rumored.
Right.
Had already been rumored.
Now finally, finally some shit happened that blew the lid off of it to find out that some
of it is likely true.

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But still, she's not taking anything credible.
She's just going off of rumors that have been around for years.
And the thing is a lot of, and before you say it, because I know you're going to try
to flip it around, well, just based off of what you said, based off of what evidence
is she would be an eyewitness, right?
Okay.
Let's use that theory in order to be an eyewitness.

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It doesn't take a lot, right?
Here's where the difference comes in.
Here's where the rest of the other stuff that we talked about, what evidence comes in, the
facts, like I said earlier, what receipts, what, and this isn't just about Jaguar, right?
This is about the rise of myths and disinformation and how it has affected us as a society.

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The stuff that I'm hearing and seeing is next level to me.
Like this isn't, I am quite literally mortified at how people take and twist shit and don't
even try to do the first bit of research or understanding or questioning anything.
A part of the human experience is to question things.

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That is quite literally what scientific method is.
That is it.
Science is just the question.
I want to give a- Why is this this?
What is this that?
That.
Right.
I want to give a little bit of context to why some of that might be happening.
And this is just a theory of mine.
It's not based in what?

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Fact or evidence.
This is just a theory.
So we all, like our generation of people, we grew up with our parents watching the news,
reading the newspaper.
That, I believe that group of people never questioned sources of news because it always
came from like a legitimate place per se, right?

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So they never, I don't think they ever even had the inclination to think that what they
might be reading was false.
But now you have that group of people that's on the internet and I think they start to
take most of everything as truth.
When people that are our age and younger- Now I'm not gonna say, because we be in the
shenanigans too.
Absolutely.
I feel like a good group of us are in the shenanigans for entertainment purposes and

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it's funny and we can kind of for the most part tell when some shit isn't real, but I
don't think they can.
And I think to piggyback off of what you're saying too, is you said they didn't question
if it was legitimate or not.
And I think- Yeah, they always just took it as this is

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what it says.
This is what Mr. Newscaster said.
This is what the newspaper say.
This is true.
I think at some point we realized the biases.
And I think that's what changed.
So, cause here's the thing.
Yeah, it's coming from a legitimate place, but the person may have illegitimate biases.

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They may have ill intentions.
We see that, who is it?
They were talking about some, oh gosh, what's her name?
It doesn't matter cause she's a dick.
One of these WNBA reporters, and she just has, she is obsessed with Caitlin Clark.

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And I was talking a little bit about that last episode and like how just the rampant
racism is, is, God, ew.
And like a part of that is because of how the media is targeting these black athletes.
So if anybody files Caitlin and does anything, the wording is malicious.

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She's a victim.
Exactly, she's a victim.
This also plays a huge component into the information and how we receive it.
Again, people like drama.
People like things that are going to cater to the things that they prefer.
That's how the whole algorithm thing even works.

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Okay.
You get stuck in an echo chamber and you don't even realize it.
It's just there.
Yes.
Yeah.
And that's just it.
And it's just like, you're not being presented with new information because you're like,
he said, you're stuck in this echo chamber.
So like there is no new information to be presented because the way the algorithm is

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set up is it's constantly feeding this beast.
You don't actually have a chance to escape until you do stand on the outside to look
in.
The problem is in most cases, people aren't going to do that until something traumatic
happens.
True.
Once something breaks that cycle and again, it's typically a violent break.

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I just decided I wanted to do better.
Think about that in life.
Think about some of the shit that we go through and you keep doing things and you know the
outcome is going to be terrible, but you know the outcome is going to be terrible.
You can control the outcome.
Right.
It's not until something traumatic happens that you're like, shit.

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And then you're winded, you're taken aback, you got to try to regroup and we regather.
And it's just like, friend listen, clutch your pearls, like then whoop your ass.
But it's just like, it comes to that place because you're in this constant, just this
repetitious cycle of just same thing, same thing, same thing, same thing, same thing.

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That information works the same way until something traumatic happens.
That's why Trump lost so many supporters is because we saw how he handled COVID.
We saw how many other things he affected, whether it be indirectly or directly.
We saw him strip the rights away from women by putting in three Supreme Court justices.

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We saw these things in real time and it was like, people kind of had to be shaken to the
core to be like, ooh girl, wait a minute.
Let me look at the information that's been presented to me.
And then the ones who saw that information and decided that they weren't going to listen
to it are called, you guessed it, a denialist, a person who denies the existence, truth,

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or validity of something despite proof or strong evidence that it is real.
Denialist.
The election was rigged.
And those unfortunately are people that you can't get to.
You just don't argue with them.
Don't engage.
Don't engage.
It's not, and I'm not saying that for like not whooping ass purposes, because if they

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try you whoop their ass, but I'm saying that from the point of it's not worth the headache
because like Addie was saying, it doesn't matter what you present to these people.
The fact that Trump still has supporters at all is baffling to me actually, because this
is someone who has straight up been caught in lies.

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He done been sued.
They getting ready to put his ass in prison if he don't flee the country first.
But like all this very, very credible evidence, and again, evidence.
And here's the thing, people are like, oh, this is a witch hunt.
I can promise you that FBI has so many other things to do to deal with this shit.

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Especially considering that y'all are psychopaths, his followers, like I can guarantee you this
is not, this is not what they want to do.
But they understand this man is a threat to national security, so they're doing their
job.
Here's the thing, if the feds are coming for you, this ain't no regular police precinct
in Officer John Doe writing something up.

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These people have been looking into this for years.
They have substantial evidence.
Across the teens and out of the eyes.
All of them to bring this up against you.
This is not the fed, literally it's called the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
This is not, these ain't no Looney Tunes type character type shit.

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This is, this is the real deal.
So these people aren't, this isn't a witch hunt.
These people aren't just fucking with him because it's a Tuesday.
They have substantial, incredible evidence against him to say he has done these very
terrible things and we need to bring him to justice.
So before you spread misinformation or disinformation, please be mindful and conscious of what you're

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doing and what you're saying and make sure that this information came from a valid source,
whether it be secondary or primary.
Because here's the thing about secondary sourcing.
Secondary sources come from primary sources.
So these people, you know, if you go back to what it said, I'll give you another example.

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For instance, letters, diaries, original photographs.
The very first thing you see is newspaper articles.
These people weren't there, but they had a photographer on site.
Typically that's why you see an image with a story.
Because while they're not there, this image, whoever took this image was, and they can

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explain based off of the information and they should go technically hand in hand.
Secondary source, primary source, photograph, primary source, newspaper article, secondary
source.
Please, please go through and research your sources to make sure the information that

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you are relaying is correct and valid.
And if you are listening to hearsay, and again, like I said, I ain't speaking on it because
everybody likes a little drama.
I am not a saint and I do like it occasionally too.
Love a gossip.
I'll send her a story in a heartbeat.
And we'll let our about some gossip.

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But we know better than to, it really ain't going nowhere but between us.
Right.
It's just funny.
It's not indulging.
Like we're not going to turn into maniacs about not going over to the left about this.
So I think that's where that big difference comes in.

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So again, y'all just use your heads.
Use your heads, use your hearts.
Because I am also someone who says, while there is logic, I do not take away from emotion
either.
And that's going to come up in the future.
And I do think they need to go hand in hand.
So yeah, that's all I had today for y'all.
Thank y'all for coming to this class.

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Because that's what this is.
And I'm done with my part friend.
I'm passing it over to you.
This is pretty much the last thing I'm going to say.
When it comes to for those who are actually are like, and want to be more mindful about
spreading this and this information.
A few things to think about number one, to check your impulses, be cautious, verify the

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information before you share it.
Especially if it's coming off like one of these mini blogs, like some shit that came
off Twitter, or Instagram, and you saw a headline, and you decide you just go on, repost or share
it.
Just just be cautious of where it's coming from.
Check your emotions.
Avoid reacting impulsively to sensational news.

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Matter of fact, when you see something that is sensational, second, third and fourth guess
it before even interacting with it.
Because your attention is currency for these people.
So they get paid off of your clicks and views and your time and you share it.
Absolutely.
Check the source.
Verify the credibility.

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Check the date.
Remember the information is correct and up to date because you might be then come across
some old shit.
Your attitude is another big one.
If you're, I feel like I'm not really talking to nobody that's close minded.
Because if you're listening to us, they can't possibly be you.
But be open to different opinions because just because you might be a little bit biased

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to something that don't mean that what somebody else is saying isn't true.
That goes right back to that presenting new information, changing your mind when new information
is presented.
Check your delivery.
Share your information responsibly.
And lastly, create a collection of reliable media sources that you can tune into and tune

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out the noise.
So one of my favorite ones is the AP, the Associated Press.
I feel like they're fairly neutral with most everything and everything seems to be really
factual.
I mean, they don't have like these fact check sections in their menu.

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I think that's a really good one.
But whatever works for you, as long as you get something that's neutral, that's not super
biased, not super hateful, and that seems to be correct most of the time.
You know, I also love to get my US information from the BBC.
You better.
Because they're not here.

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So they're not telling.
I mean, I'm not going to say they're not taking a bite.
Again, trust white people to be white people.
Their biases aren't the same as our biases.
So like when I'm watching that, when I do watch, because I don't too much fuck with
the news, I get my information, I research my information, I keep it pushing unless it's
hey, we're going to nuke this motherfucking world so it's an end.

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I keep it cute and keep it pushing.
I like them as well and absolutely the Associated Press is a few others.
But yeah, friend that thank you.
You better thank me.
Thank you.
This whole this whole thing was your idea.
Thank you.
I just I feel like we can do better as a society.

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And we have to do better as a society.
And again, we no man is an island within themselves.
It's something I heard a long time ago and it's something that I clutch and keep close
to my heart.
We are not here alone.
We are here together.
Community society, we need each other.
That doesn't mean anything if we can't show empathy to each other.

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We don't have understanding for each other.
We don't genuinely care for each other.
And in that caring is calling things as what they are speaking on facts.
Because here's my issue with Jaguar.
Right?
If you saw all these things and you never said or did anything about it, how do you

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see this that also make you?
That's true.
Like, I don't know.
I don't like that one as much.
I don't think that's fair.
I do.
If you watch someone get murdered.
And here's the thing.
I think this is a very bad issue within a black community.
I'm going to get ready to wrap this up because we getting kind of close.
But we have this horrible thing in our community to where it's like stitches, snitches get

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stitches like you don't tell when you see some shit.
That is poison to us.
Because if somebody is doing some terrible shit, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying
that I am a snitch because I've never really been put in a situation to snitch on.
And this is going to sound terrible.

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I done been around drug dealers.
I done been around goons.
Why does that sound terrible?
But like, because I know the shit that they did.
I was fully aware of the stuff that they did.
Honestly, truly.
So it's just like, but I never I don't give a fuck about drugs.
I truly don't.

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And that's terrible.
I shouldn't feel that way because I know what crack did to the black community.
But like, I don't know, I'm desensitized to that.
But I can't say how I would respond if I saw someone get murdered in front of me.
Like true.
I may snitch because that's terrible.
I don't that's crazy.
So I don't know.
But that whole mindset of just seeing terrible shit and looking the other way.

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Like if she was around, did he and this nigga was trafficking children and going six parties
with minors, ma'am, you also look crazy as fuck.
And every other person who just sat there in silence.
And I get it.
This nigga got money and he could probably make you disappear.
But eventually, here's the thing.
And I think this is where I'm gonna leave it off before I pass it over to you.

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Everything that's done in the dark will eventually come to the light.
That's how it works.
Karma is a very, very interesting bad bitch.
And she pulls up at the least of unexpected.
You just least of expected times it is unexpected.
You don't know what, when, why, where, what happened.

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Yeah, you put like a grain of sand on that karmic wheel that bitch come back the size
of Mount Everest.
Friend.
And it took Cassie to really blow the lid off of this.
And y'all still didn't believe her.
Y'all didn't believe her.
They had to release a video.
And I'm sure she was embarrassed by that.

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I don't know if she had to release a video for y'all to believe it.
I don't know if she was embarrassed as much as like she had to relive that trauma again.
She was with this man for years.
So there's no telling what all this poor woman had to endure under his.
No, there's no telling.
She told it.

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This thing don't never need to see the day of light again.
I don't give a fuck about his kids not having a father.
That sounds like a plus.
They don't need to be around that shit.
I'm sorry.
I am sorry.
Y'all love y'all trying to take the black man.
What the fuck up?
Honestly Phil, I would hope that he was decent enough to not ever expose his kids enough

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and crazy like that.
But then again, I tried.
I'm done on my end.
Do you got anything else, Fran?
I really don't.
I don't have too much of anything else.
I was going to leave it off with a comment.

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This is from a man, I don't know how to say his name.
I think it's called Sat- I'm going to just put his name in the description box because
I ain't even going to tear that up.
But the quote says, joy is a natural phenomenon and misery is your creation.
And I feel like evidence of that mostly comes from us as children.

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Do you remember how joyous you were as a child and how most of our uncomfortable situations
or misery only came as we got older and started to become aware of more shit?
So it's possible.
I don't know how to get back to that place, if it's even possible to get back to that
place or you just have to find a way to create joy within your space as you are now with

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the things you have now.
I think so.
I honestly think that's the way it is because I mean, as a child, there was an innocence
that you possess that you no longer possess as an adult because you've lived, but that's
a part of life.
Life is experience.
True.
Like if you're not experiencing new things, then you're not living.
True.
Like there's quite literally nothing to live for because you're not experiencing new things,

(01:40:11):
you're not learning new things.
You're just here.
You can't stay a child forever.
While that joy is associated with being a child, there's also so many restrictions to
being a child because why?
We're protected.
People want to protect us from the bad things.
But the thing is, as an adult, you realize that these good and bad things go hand in
hand.
You do not know good without bad and vice versa.

(01:40:33):
So you learn how to adapt and you find happiness within the real world.
We have to live in this world and it's about creating a space, I think, to where you can
make the world a little bit better.
Just that old cliche saying, be the change you want to see.

(01:40:55):
I think that's what it is.
You have to come to the realization, this is who I am now.
We're never the same person day to day, but you shouldn't aim to be that person.
I don't want to be the person I was before my father passed or before my grandmother
passed or before I went through any of the other traumatic events in my life.
I had to learn how to cope with these things so I can become the person I'm supposed to
be.

(01:41:15):
Right.
And the joy is natural.
Let us just find a way back to our more natural state.
Absolutely.
That's all.
But the thing is, and I'm finna get deep, misery is natural too.
So is sadness and all of those things.
That is the human experience.

(01:41:38):
You learn to balance an egg.
Okay.
We ain't finna get into all this.
We don't have to say this for another episode.
We're going to say this for another one.
Okay, let me put a pin in misery.
All right.
But okay guys, I really do appreciate you guys.
Everybody that's listening, I don't even know what to say.

(01:41:59):
Thank you.
We appreciate you.
We're going to find a way to talk to you guys soon, but we appreciate you guys for listening
and take care of yourself until next time.
And if you're in Florida, be safe.
Absolutely.
Be safe.
I'll be praying for y'all.
Oh shit, by the time this come out, it'll all be over, but still be safe.
That being said, have a good night y'all.

(01:42:21):
Peace.
Bye.
decir.

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