White Whale Killers

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And I'm Meghana and we have got a great show plan for you
We have been following this story closely
the marine land
Park in Canada and

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They are threatening
To kill their white whales if they don't have funding
That is terrible terrible news will
See what that's about and also
Renewable energy plan

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Sorry an energy plan in
NZ is ignoring the progress that has been already made
So yeah, we'll talk about that as well. Migno
So we're also going to be talking about how the heat wave has wiped out clownfish and what we're supposed to be a safe haven for them

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and in addition to that we're also going to talk we're going to talk about this
Black bear that was shot to death because it killed a camper
And then if we have the time we would be covering other topics, but we also have our segment on new species discovered
And and I apologize for the absolute really really bad joke that over when you're starting

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Oh
Alright, why don't we spray it on jump into the headline topic of this week

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Marine Park threatens to euthanize 30 whales if Canada does not provide funding. This is almost like
blackmailing or some sort like this. It sounds like blackmailing, which it is.
Marine Land and embattled amusement park in Niagara Falls, Canada has issued a stark warning.

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It sounds very urgent. It will euthanize 30 beluga whales unless the federal government provides
financial support. The threat follows Canada's fisheries minister blocking the transfer of captive
whales to a Chinese theme park. So we reported on this story last week. But I think it was a couple weeks

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now. A couple weeks ago. But this is what it has come to. When we talked about this story last time,
it was that they are planning their exploring options basically. But now it has come to that final

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link where they are saying they will euthanize it. What do you think, Megna?
I think last time we also spoke about how they wanted to relocate them to China. But we also
spoke about how when they were just relocated to America, which is not really far from them.
Three out of the five beluga whales that they had translocated last time, they died within two

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years of translocating them. So China is super, super far. So we were not sure if the whales would make
it. And I think that was one of the biggest decisions and that was what a lot of people were against
because if you were transporting them, you might actually lose them in the transportation itself.

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But seems like we might lose them in any case, which is very, very sad. And this has become
very urgent as well. The park facing ongoing scrutiny, of course, they are. And multiple animal
deaths argues it desperately needs funding to continue caring for the whales. However,

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the government's refusal to allow their export to China underscores growing animal welfare concerns
surrounding marine parks. Actually, one of our friends, one of our common friends visited
in Auckland this weekend. We actually went to the Auckland Aquarium over the weekend. So,

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yeah, kind of, and we were discussing this exact same thing. I was sort of pre-cursoring to her.
What we were going to be talking about on this show. And I think I mentioned this
where we were like, oh, we're visiting an aquarium. It's a good, you know, it's good to see. We saw
some beautiful, like, stingrays and stuff there, green turtles, etc. But definitely, definitely

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understand that, yeah, it is not their natural habitat. Yeah, as good as it is to see. But, and if
such a situation arises where they are not able to raise funds through, you know, just the
visitor numbers or, you know, donations or whatever else marine parks do to raise funds,

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then that is problematic. Like, we don't know what the future holds for these 30 blue govies.
I think one of the main things with this park has already closed down. And it's just the
pelugas that they need to, I mean, it has closed down because they could not raise, like, raise the

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running costs, I would assume, right? No, I don't know if it was closed down because of the
ongoing scrutiny that it has. It says that there were multiple animal deaths. So, that's why they
are facing ongoing scrutiny. But that puts the pelugas in a jam because now the pelugas are in a
place that needs rescuing or some kind of, you know, place where they can at least be preyed,

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maybe in an open-mortem century. But there's nothing around Canada like that for the pelugas,
which is kind of weird because that's where all the pelugas are. So, you know, that's the place
you would need a century or some kind of support system for the pelugas.
Yeah, it would make sense for the government to do this as well, where this would be for some kind

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of political out as well for the Canada government as well. And there is a quote from the premier of
Ontario where the park is. So, Ontario's premier Doug Ford said the province will do whatever it
takes to give the remaining whales the best life possible, which is such a, you know,

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statement. Yeah, such a vague statement. And like such, I don't know how to say it, but such a,
you know, is a statement to evade responsibility. And adding the state

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as of the park was just terrible. I mean, yeah, this is like the typical diplomatic speak.
But if you see, if you see what's written on the left, most it just, it does say like there's a
link to another article with says five years multiple deaths. What is happening at the home of
the last chapter of Wales in Canada? So, either way, this is, this is now like a catch-20 to

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situation. Now, I guess a lot of whales have died there. And then now they're like those kidnappers,
you know, who are like, you give me the ransom money. I won't kill your child. Kind of tell you,
like, you know, I have the knife on the Beluga right now. So, I will, I will use the knife and give
me the money now. Yeah, we have a discussion question here. Like, is, is usingising 30 Beluga's

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worse than their prolonged captivity given marine lands financial threats to Canada? I would say,
yes. I mean, again, like, we'll have to rehabilitate them anyway for them to be released back
into the wild. I would say, yes, death, like, captivity is better than death, in my opinion, at least,
like, at least they're having some chance of life. But it depends on what kind of life they have.

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Like, you know, sometimes you say that death is better than a really sad life to live that life.
So, if they're going to be kept in that same area and the marine park status is really terrible
and they have to live through that kind of, you know, pool where nothing is clean and they have to
just keep surviving and that is just to survive. Maybe it's not the best decision.

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I mean, like, again, since we cannot, since the Belugas cannot make that decision,
I would say like, yeah, maybe the life, I would choose life over, you know, captivity.
Like, captivity concerns, I would choose life over captivity concerns, but, yeah, no, your point is

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fair as well. Let's go on to say that situation intensifies the contentious debate over the future
of the captive marine mammals, their ethical treatment and the significant financial burdens
associated with their long-term care, placing immense pressure on the Canadian federal government

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to respond. I hope, I hope the government responds. I hope the government is able to,
you know, put in some sort of plan, you know, make their do whatever it takes or, you know,
to give them the best life possible, life being the key word there. Yeah, I hope the Canada

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government, both the federal and the sort of state level government, sort of does that.
And I think going forward, at least Canada has to be really careful that they do not have
captive Belugas because they can see that having captive Belugas means a big amount of responsibility.
And then they need to be responsible for those animals, till they live, you know, because there

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is no way to release them into some kind of century or some kind of space. So I think Canada needs to
have stricter rules on captive Belugas. No, I think that is what has also,
passed in like hastened this process is that they have a law that has been passed, you know.

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What is the law? The law is under, like it says, under provincial law.
Sorry, this is this is not it, but this is the because the last article mentioned this as well.
This is because there is a law now in Canada where whales and cetaceans cannot be

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kept in captivity. So that has led to the probably the less, less a business of this park and
thus it led to like the closing of this park. The closing of this park seems to be its own doing,
but yeah, kind of. Yeah, I think that when you want to keep such kind of animals and over the years

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with so many documentaries and with people who have gone to these amusement parks also, all of these
animals are highly intelligent animals, the whales, the dolphins, all of them. And they keep
doing these shows with all of these animals, you know, I mean, I mean, partly they are able to do
all those tricks because they are so intelligent. Like that just goes on to show how intelligent they are

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and how how much of this like human signaling and things like that exactly. But it also shows how
distressing it is for these animals to follow such kind of commands and do those shows because
of documentaries like Blackfish, which does show how an Orca killed its trainer and it's not the only

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I think incidents, there were multiple incidents across places and this is only when the Orcards get
way beyond their saturation limit of being able to handle what they told. Because there is not a
single, single documented attack by an Orca on a human in the wild. So, you know, which shows that

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these animals are deeply frustrated in these small places. It's just that there are there are
ways or there are sometimes there are days when they went it out and then that is the only time
we're able to see it. So, why do we keep them in that kind of a place and keep them for so long
that they need that kind of release, you know, just just don't have them. And I think that is a great

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move by the Canadian government that at least, you know, the government, at least the
they have completely banned the captivity of whales and can use it. New ways, new news, the new
captures cannot be done from the wild and so on and so forth. So, yeah, I think that is a great move
but obviously the lives of these 30 and that's a big number. It's not like, you know, one or two.

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Not that, you know, if a lesser number would have made it okay to kill those orcars.
But yeah, sorry, beluga, sorry. Yeah, kill those belugas but yeah, it's, yeah, hope the

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hope the federal government steps in. Yeah. And for those who do not know how a beluga looks like,
did you tell them it's like an absolute white whale with a, it looks like it has liquid on the top
of its head, you know, like a jiggy, jiggy portion on top of its head. And one of the videos that

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was very popular was the, this beluga grabs the phone of a lady in a boat. It goes down and it
explores in the whole video's capture and then it comes back up and gives the phone back.
Italy, it gives the phone back and that I think was this one heartwarming video. And apart from that,
I think there was one more. There was a rescued beluga that that was swimming in Antarctica,

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Arctic. And it used to play ball with the people in the ship. Did you see that one? They would,
like they would throw a ball. Oh, maybe I don't specifically remember, but yeah, I,
yeah. And I think that this, this behavior has been documented, like the one you mentioned with the

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phone and stuff. This behavior has been documented for other situations as well where they have
retrieved like GoPro's or, you know, other, other human devices when they sense that these
things are maybe very important. And also, and also beluga's are really there, like as the
first or other whales, beluga's only found in the Arctic. Yeah, how many belugas are remaining?

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The belugas have like a smaller area where they survive. They need really, really, really cold
waters. And they're okay with like less visibility. So like really murky waters are okay because
they can see through the visibility. But they're amazing animals. And you know, when you have them
restricted to some areas, I mean, in the sense that their habitat is just those areas,

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we should try to protect it and exploit it. Like, you know, this is, this is exploitation. And I
wish there was a way to just be able to release them in the wild, but that is not possible. There's
no way to rehabilitate. Yeah, I mean, please, to be resistant to them to the wild would be
same as like you know, it's just that in that case, then you can dust off your

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hands. Like there's a slim, slim chance some of them might survive, but that is a gamble. We
will be taking that is a huge gamble because these animals do not even know how to probably
hunt in the wild. Like, you know, normally, and how they have to first learn that their food is
not going to come from someone feeding them. So which is why the rehabilitation, this is what

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the rehabilitation centers do. They kind of mean the animals from the human aspect of,
you know, how they're read and tamed. So they let the wild animals slowly and slowly get
accustomed to the wild. And that is when they release them after they're completely accustomed.
But you cannot, like, let's say you cannot just throw a one year old baby into a car and

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be like drive the car. You can't do that. So you have to, it's a process. It's a slow, slow process.
Yeah, yeah, true. Yeah, we'll keep following the story. We'll see where it goes, where it takes us.
Hopefully we'll have some good news in the next couple of episodes that we do. Yeah,

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so step up Canada and save the 30 whales. 30 or maybe like just find a way where they can be in a
safer place, but they just don't have to go through this like through the entire drama of can we
survive here or can we not survive here and do they need to be utilised or not? Just some kind

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of framework because that's not even a question. I mean, yeah, yeah, it's a complicated
scenario. I can understand that as well, but yeah, hopefully we find
good middle ground with a good solution. You want to choose another one, Mehta? Sure, okay. We'll go to

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the next topic, which is that the heat wave has wiped out clownfish and what we're supposed to
be as they've even for people who know clownfish is Nemo. So you've seen the movie Finding Nemo,
you've seen the dad and you've seen Nemo, they are actually a clownfish. They're just kind of

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funny because they're not really funny where they call clownfish. I think because of the color
patterns or whoever named it, the Red Sea previously deemed resilient to warming water,
suffered a severe heat wave in 2023 that challenges this assumption. So before the Red Sea,
these two things that no matter how warm it got, the Red Sea was just like, you know, it can take

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all, like it will just not change. But is it up to naive to think that like, I think like it's
very naive of the scientists to think that. No, but there must have been a lot of like, you know,
data from the past which showed that no matter how many lanninias happened, it did not really affect
the Red Sea as much as it affected other areas, which is where they must have come to this conclusion

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that the Red Sea is very resilient. But then when it suffered a severe heat wave, probably
something they did not even anticipate. Then, you know, even the Red Sea resilience must have been
to whatever limit it was. And beyond that, the Red Sea could also not, you know, control.
So biologists observed an entire population of anemones in three Saudi Arabian Red Sea reefs

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bleaching, turning ghostly white and causing significant mortality. So anemones are the home of these,
you know, of these clownfish. You can see in the picture. Yeah. Yeah. I just share.
Yeah. We just, yeah. This is an anemone, but then like, like, we try to find a

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zoomed out picture. So there's supposed to be like these kind of like sticky soft noodles kind of thing.
And it has a bed kind of thing in the middle. Yeah, that photo I think. Yeah.
The one at the bottom. Yeah. Like, you know, you see the clownfish just about that. Those are
anemones. And that is where they stay and that is their safe even. And that is their home.

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So if you take their home away, then the clownfish also disappear, which is happening in this case
because the anemones are bleaching white. It's, you know, it's completely losing life. Now,
anything that is bleached white under water means that it needs to either recover or it's,
it's kind of dead because it is bleached to that level. But it cannot recover. So over 66

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personed anemones and more than 94% of their clownfish residents died, indicating a potential
tipping point for these species. Lead author Morgan Bennett Smith noted the concerning nature of
this event as it occurred in a region believed to be robust against thermal stress,
raising alarms for global reefs. The study highlights the overlooked vulnerability of

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vulnerability of anemones, which like corals rely on algae and bleach and high temperatures,
necessitating product conservation focus beyond just corals.
I think so if this is sort of the image on the article of bleached

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like bleaching, like mass bleaching event on the reef in question. And like, I don't know,
like I sometimes feel that it is a little bit, little bit, I guess, I don't know what the word is,
but a little bit faulty on nature's part that these ecosystems are so, so sensitive.

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Like even a 0.5 degree or a 0.1 degree temperature difference can cause them, but then I can also
understand that these ecosystems have developed in a stable earth conditions for like millions of years.
So I think the problem is not with a 1.1 or 1 degree difference. The difference is when it happens

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instantly as opposed to gradually. So you know, when you say that they've evolved over centuries,
that is when they've been given the gradual time to adapt to something. But when the lani near hits
and the lani near is getting even more frequent and the the warming cycles are getting more frequent,
and the warming cycles are getting more warmer, like you know, they're much higher in temperature.

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So they're causing mass bleaching everywhere and the mass bleaching like these corals have to
stay on and survive till like the quarter cools down and then slowly recover like, you know,
if they are alive, then again, the algae and everything starts growing. But it's a long process.
Earlier what they used to say was like lani near occurs once in seven to 10 years.

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And it was necessary for the for the occurrence because it kind of, you know, gave a clean out and
gave the cycle of what would you say of nature. But then that cycle started becoming
repetitive and too soon for nature to recover from it.
Yeah, that's yeah, that's the part I can understand as well. And I think yeah, these ecosystems

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probably when the earth's atmosphere and the earth's temperature was more unstable. There was a time
before this stable period that has lasted this long. There was a time before that where the
earth's atmosphere and the temperature and the climate was very unstable. The things evolved there

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was obviously wiped out before to make way for all these other things. But at that point,
they would have been a lot more resilient. But yeah, it's yeah, we can't really say much about it because
the earth has had very stable conditions, very chemically stable conditions as well for

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a lot of years now. I think it's also, you know, how, oops, you know how to say wildfires are also
good for the forest. But only when it's a natural occurring wildfire. So the natural occurring wildfire
kind of, you know, gets all these dried leaves or dried things or it kind of cleans up the forest.

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It says that it's actually a good recycling. But when it happens to frequent me and then it's
happening because of human causes, then it actually is against, you know, the forest and its life.
So it's the same way what is happening with the ocean. So anything that's human-induced and then
it's causing the cycle to change. It's not great for nature anymore. So it's not nature taking its

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course anymore. It's other factors that are feeding up its process. That's right. That's right.
It's, yeah, so I just looked it up 11,000, roughly 11,000 years

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that has been very stable before that. It was like I sage, I sage, I sage, I sage, warm, I sage, warm
and things like that. So, holocene, that's what it's called. So, yeah, I mean that long
for some of these ecosystems, some of these, you know, relationships like the symbiotic relationships

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to develop means that, you know, they're very, very sensitive to any and all of the changes.
I feel like I still feel like the scientists were a little bit naive to consider that this
wouldn't affect this other thing just by the track record of things in the past, like how we have

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affected and set off like butterfly events in motion. And this conservation plan, I'm hoping that
that there will be a conservation plan and all the committees will sit down and think this could
have been done like much earlier. But, you know, oops, you remember how in one of our classes,

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they told us that when you only see like white swans or was it white geese, you know, and you only
see in white geese everywhere you've gone, then you just believe that there are only white geese
or white swans, whatever it was. No, but this is like different, right? This is, this is way different
than it because like how can you consider something safe even like I wouldn't assume anything to be

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safe or untouched by the effects that human beings are having that would be too naive to consider
that, you know, that this could even be a possibility. No, but look at it this way, like if you have
seen for the last five, six gloninia, sort of the heating cycles or the warming cycles of the ocean

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and you've seen that it has an effect with the red sea as it has affected other areas and you
probably kind of assume that okay, the red sea is different. It has more resilience, it probably
doesn't get affected by such events. I mean, I would still be very cautious about things like
I don't know that there's enough evidence to warrant that caution. That is what I'm saying. Like,

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there is enough evidence to warrant that caution. There's enough evidence to say that everything is
affected. It's only a matter of time. I mean, 60 is nothing like, you know, in the grand scheme of
things. Yeah, six or seven years or whatever number of years, even if it was 20 years, that would have
been because the earth was stable for a long, long period of time, but it got changed very, very quickly.

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So I would, yeah, I would have assumed nothing, but as we are here now, I don't know, the best way
out would be for us to find a solution that, yeah, that considers all the risk factors and then sort of,

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yeah, but let's us know a way forward with this because there's no way out. There can only be a way
forward where it's like we're considering these factors and these other things we'll do, which will
kind of sort of make the situation better. I think also one of the things, one of the things that

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it says in the article is that we concentrate more on the corals, but not on the
enemies and enemies are equally important, but when we talk about coral trees, we don't talk about
enemies being a part of it. And enemies do have a higher resilience than corals, so probably why we

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do not talk about it. So the thing is that we need to talk about everything. So with the enemies,
when they bleach, when they bleach and the water gets too hot, but they seem to survive better
than coral. And it might also be because they are good at even feeding on particles that are
floating past them, but the corals cannot do that. They need their algae partner, which is what is

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happening. So I think this is the same thing we've spoken a lot of times that we always look at
the bigger animals or the ones that we've already focused on. And we don't look at the other,
yeah, we don't look at everything else that gets affected equally. So in this case, like we have
always talked about reaching up corals, but this article specifically talks about the enemies

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and the clownfish. So this is like one of those turning events where it's focusing on something
other than just the corals. Correct. Yes.
Yeah, I think nothing is safe from our impact. And it's only going to grow. So we'll have to find

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those solutions and have it early, like have the plants in early because I think they're from pretty
very, very intelligent scientists and planners and conservationists out there who will be able to
find a solution to this problem. Like one thing we are good at as species is problem solving. Like

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give us a problem, we'll find a way to solve it. And I feel like even if it's like a patchwork
because nothing can really go back to a time before the problem. I feel like that.
It's very unrealistic to assume that we are able to return something back before we touched it

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because there exists no place on earth where human footsteps hasn't been you know within one
kilometer there's some kind of human activity going on of any place on earth. So
yeah, I feel like it's it's best for the clownfish and and some might say oh clownfish I don't

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really care about the clownfish but as we have seen repeatedly that each and every species
is a very integral part of any ecosystem. So yeah and the fact is that if you do not want to say
a clownfish then you're okay losing me and Dori and the other you know tiny fishes because one of

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the things that I loved about that movie was it did not focus on the big anement like it could
have focused on anything else like how free believe the others and you know morbidic and all that
focused on on whales and the bigger animals but this one focused on a tiny fish that you see
you know just on the coral reef in between the anemones but looks orange and white and this

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bright and I don't think till that time nobody focused on like a tiny fish and that tiny fish
picking something that everyone wanted you know everyone wanted to see it did it did obviously
have a growth and people wanting to keep them as I think pets are not on sale but in overall it
had created a big big big awareness of our fish in the ocean yeah and and those of those of you

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again that reminded me because this this is a conversation I was having over the weekend
like any of you who had maintained a cell line aquarium will know that how
sensitive that whole aquarium is like how delicately you have to balance the pH,

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shape balance oxygen levels, shape balance everything and especially if you have corals like
people do have corals in the aquariums as well especially if you have corals, shape balance,
temperature, pH, this and that very delicately so that is what is happening that is what is
happening at a larger scale just because the sheer size of the sea it means that it requires

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much less maintenance or much less it's much less prone to changes that it can like it has a buffer
compared to your aquarium but it still has a limit to the buffer so
everything has a limit and like corals and anemones are similar they both animals they're not

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plants they're both animals and they have a mutually beneficial relationship with a microalgae
and this microalgae is called zoos and thel, zoos and thelay I think that's the spelling
and basically this okay and this this algae in return for a safe home inside its host the

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algae actually shares its food it creates through photosynthesis so it's like one of those symbiotic
relationships that the algae and the corals or the algae and the anemones have so when it beaches
this algae is basically driven out it dies because the algae can not survive that high temperature and
then it causes the beaching and that is when you know if the corals or the anemones have to get

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their life back and the color back they need that kind of algae back.
Yeah it's a real challenge to balance all of those things and I know some of the species
it's very late already for to save but we should try we should try our level best

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anyway and I'm hopeful that the scientists working on this
will scientists and the whole team working on this will be able to come up with a solution to this
problem. I don't think it's as simple as you quoted it's not just like okay I'll let my final

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solution this is what will happen. No I mean like maybe a two step three step for 100 step I don't know
plan to at least patch this like again as I said like probably we won't be able to solve the problem
but we'll at least be able to you know see the what they have stated in the article is also that

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if we give the reef this base to breathe they might check out it so like you know stop all kind of
fishing activities swap all kind of activities there. That probably is possible and maybe all the
two does them everything together for a couple of years give them the time to survive. Now this
has only happened in few places across the world where they've actually poured on top areas and

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seen how the reef recovers and the fish and that's two like very very very small areas right like
yes small areas but the recovery has been phenomenal in those small areas. 100 percent.
Yeah so I think that is the only way that if you want to give them the chance to survive you give
them the chance to breathe do not touch any of these areas that are being devastated by such kind

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of human effects give it like a couple of years and then only you know like get back to whatever
activities were there there are a lot of places across the world where this has been successful
and this is a successful way to go ahead in protecting marine areas. Yeah that's the yeah I ask

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I am again our audience will know by now I'm very skeptical of these kinds of solutions because
I don't see them happening yeah it's very very difficult to achieve these kinds of solutions
and also because like the the the red sea is sort of I don't because it it it it is adjacent to

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all the different Middle Eastern sort of oil exporters and stuff they might not be directly going
the trade routes might not be directly going through the red sea or is it like I think they
come from the Suez Canal into the red sea and then go from Malakas straight into China

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but definitely there's a huge huge trade route just you know cross the countries which the
state of Hormuz and yeah definitely Suez Canal definitely connects the red sea so
Gibraltar the straight and then Suez Canal and then Red Sea and then the straight of Malakas so

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there is trade routes there so that means yeah it's very difficult to stop everything there
like you know so many countries involved the Middle East being what it is
yeah I'm not hopeful for that solution so the scientists for definitely will be asked the

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brief they'll be given is find a solution that is like doesn't affect anything else you know
by the thing with Animony and Coral's other they're they're in certain pockets so if you can
even save the certain pockets cotton of the certain pockets they will survive so that it's not like
there everywhere they're actually in spaces so if you go diving you know that they don't

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exist everywhere you'll see mostly close to the shore and you know yeah I mean they don't have
to be close to the shore but still I mean you can you can see them and then they can go deep and deep
and they don't have to be close to the shore there are a lot of there are a lot of corals in the middle
of the ocean they don't have to be close to the shore what are you talking about like in the open
ocean yeah no I'm not talking but like that the 5,000 feet depth but the open ocean is anything

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that is like a little a few kilometers off and a lot of corals are it depends on how deep your
ocean is from where you're starting a lot of lot of corals and a lot of places are sometimes you
know how you have those little islands out in the open ocean and around them you will have the
corals yeah yeah so that is a sure fraud that island right yeah but then there are also like

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places where you just have these boolines and you have these trees under them which like you know
you go a couple of kilometers out there's nothing like like lagoons or atolls if there are like
lagoons or atolls they'll be there but like life not even like life not even lagoons and atolls
like from a man if you're in a man and you go out diving some dikes for like 45 one hour 45

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minutes to one hour away from the boat and then they're just in the middle of the ocean they drop
you and even in mornbeaves like a lot of spots you don't see anything nearby and then you have to
like go down um yeah one second so yeah something with my light wait um this this um

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hopefully the government there again middle east very turbulent right now and like the gulf
very turbulent right now um so hopefully hopefully and they are able to
find a good solution where it's um you know

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and
they're able to
to salvage this situation and like before it's too late um but um but yeah hopefully hopefully they'll
have some sort of a plan going forward um speaking of that there are some um there's one

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um new species discoverer you might plug in here and then we can do a couple of later as well
this was very surprising to me two new crocodile species discovered so McGill University and
Mexican scientists have identified two previously unknown crocodile species one on Cosumel and

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another on Banco Chinchoro oh sounds nice off the Yucatan Peninsula this discovery significantly
challenges long held the beliefs about the widespread American crocodile which was taught to be
a single species researchers led by Professor Hans Larsen conducted extensive genetic sequencing

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of crocodile populations revealing striking differentiation that warranted species status
former student Jose Alvia Servantes noted that unexpected findings stating their study
is the first to thoroughly explore genomic and anatomical variation the new species currently

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unnamed live in small isolated populations each with fewer than thousand breeding individuals
this limited number of number and habitat restrictions make them highly vulnerable underscoring
the critical need for immediate conservation efforts as biodiversity vanishes faster than it can

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be cataloged um two new crocodile species it was very surprising for me um that such a megafauna can
remain unknown but I guess that's the nature of the uh that we live in very exciting very exciting um
what do you think there would be name tips um maybe after the scientists or maybe the you know

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because crocodiles acuters is the American crocodile so maybe the crocodiles acuters
um consumers or I don't know yeah something like that it would be like uh it's another sub species so
maybe crocodiles something I don't know uh do you do you know they say what is the difference
between a crocodile and an alligator do you know that um I do not but you you you see an alligator

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but you see a crocodile in a while that's the difference yeah um correct correct um that is a good joke
no but also um it's really weird but a crocodile is the one that has a shaped snout and the alligator
is the one that has a she sees shaped snout right so so they kind of I don't know why they named it

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that way but you have to remember it that way like the crocodile is the one with this and the alligator
is the one with the seas shape the seaships snout um but yeah they're moving on we'll talk about one more
species that was discovered a new species of deep sea shark and crab have been discovered of
western Australia uh two new deep sea species let me just open this article as well while talking

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about it give me a second I can I can open it magnum probably you can
okay yeah um so two new deep species the west australian lantern shark and of course the
lame crab have been discovered of western australia with specimens collecting collected during a

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2022 CSI ROred LED voyage on research vessel investigator doctor will white help describe the
west australian lantern shark found out depths of 610 meters in the casco
cascoine marine park the small shark measuring up to 407 millimeter possesses large ice to aid

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vision in the ocean depths a remarkable characteristic of lantern sharks is their bioluminescence
with light produced by photo force on their belly and clanks these discoveries highlight australia's
rich marine biodiversity scientists involved in these findings are now preparing for another
biodiversity discovery voyage to the coral sea continuing their exploration of new marine life

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now like you know have you spoke about Nemo uh they are fish at the depths like this one stays at
600 meters so when you go deeper and deeper there's no light so most fish and most uh you know
sharks or anything that stays in the deep has to have some other light source so some fish have
their own lights so if you remember that that you know that fish with a little pulp on top of it

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in the Nemo movie so there are a lot of fish and in this case the shark itself you know has bioluminescence
produces light by itself by these photo force on their belly and clanks so which is amazing
even in the shallow depth you can see like cartel fish if you ever think cartel fish they actually

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have like light inside them and they will even like kind of pass the light on them and you can see
the patterns with the light so this is this is an amazing discovery deep sea is such an unknown
space as well I think there's a lot of stuff going on in the deep sea that we are yet to uncover

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but such an amazing discovery um yeah again sort of uh underscores the need for conservation and
you know for up every every habitat out there um speaking of that there is an article from the

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conservation um conservation Australia um publication where it says why does NZ's new energy
plan sideline renewables and ignore the progress made already again this is like sounds very concerning

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let's read on see what what it actually is so New Zealand's new energy plan is underscrutiny for
reportedly sidelineing renewables and overlooking existing progress despite public concerns and energy
prices and supply security critics argue the package is unlikely to lower costs or boost

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new generation instead heavily assuming fossil fuels are the primary solution the plan signals
a procurement process of a liquefied natural gas lng import facility and promises capital for
state-owned power companies to build new projects this approach contrasts sharply with recommendations

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from a politically awkward frontier economics report um which suggested market reforms but was
withheld and ultimately disregarded uh the government strategy prioritizes fossil fuel infrastructure
and investment raising questions about its commitment to a sustainable energy future

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and its connection with ongoing reforms the significant significant reliance on fossil fuels
is a very major concern i mean i when i when i moved to New Zealand i used to praise New Zealand for

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having a good network of car charges it was a very robust infrastructure and they had plans on
sort of expanding that as well so you know and and they were like solid plans of moving away from

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fossil fuels and moving away towards you know um you know proton-based cars sorry electron-based cars
and also um you know making sure all the natural sort of renewable energy sources are harnessed

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as much as possible reading this makes me very sad that um the current government is
sort of following suit of you know what the rest of the world is is doing
um in terms of energy and climate change and things like this but i think this is one of the

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things that we used to speak about when we were in New Zealand they would have these major climate
rallies um and every government would have like uh you know climate change as one of its objectives
on its docket but then the the major polluting source in New Zealand was cows 47% of the pollution

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in New Zealand was caused by cows and there were never any measures taken to reduce or somehow
change because i mean their entire economy dependent on beef and dairy beef and dairy that's how
you would always hear so you know i think most economies uh that kind of promote or even talk about
climate change and acting on it is just a farce like it's a facade where they say okay we're going

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to talk about it there'll be like rallies there'll be like talks but there'll be no action and this
is what is i think happening everywhere yes i think but but the the otter the otter is um
professor of law at the university of white cattle which is one of the universities in in the north

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island of New Zealand um he also mentions he does mentions mentioned that progress is already made like
the the striking thing about the government's energy packages how little it refers to the
large amount of policy and regulatory work already underway to reform the electricity system so

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that's the that's the bit that concerns me that you know when when the government start to
uh disregard scientific advice or um you know expert advice and just do what's economically
the best decision like i can understand not being able to speak about cows or um you know not being

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able to cup down on their numbers because they're the largest in exporters largest exports of
the sort of beef meat dairy and all sorts of things related to cows i can understand that but
where progress has already been made and where scientific advice is just in otherwise

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doing such a thing like disregarding that is a very yeah very ignorant move
but i think i think it's at some point of time maybe newslett wants to you know be in the race for
development as you would say it you know so every other country out there that says that we are developing

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it's building these huge roads and building these big buildings and having these you know showrooms
and all the kind of things development is mostly cutting down forests or cutting down spaces
bringing up these fancy new buildings and fancy new roads so maybe maybe newslett wants to be in the same
space and same yeah yeah that's a very good point like i think we need we need it's high time we need

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a the definition of the word word development or what it means to be a developed nation i think
Bhutan does a great way of like Bhutan is a great way of looking at that from a different angle
where actually the happiness and the forest covers that the country boasts is actually part of the
GDP and part of the so there are actually anti tourism which helps their tourism so what they do

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is they restrict the tourists they have a fixed number of people they will allow in a year
and every tourist that comes in has to spend hundred dollars every day 100 US dollars every day
so how many of the days you're staying plus whatever the visa fees are so you have like a minimum
spend that you have to do in that so Bhutan is actually quite inaccessible to most countries

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it's accessible to people from India and Nepal because we are neighboring countries so we can go there
with you know with minimal goals but it's not accessible to the rest of the world and they plan
to maintain it that way they do not want more people to come in they are okay with like minimal
tourism they're okay with you know everything that is there it's just they have no traffic lights

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even though it's a completely mountainous region nobody honks and everybody drives so it's beautiful
that there are countries like that that are like i don't care what's happening in the rest of the world
we are happy this way and we'll keep it this way yeah i feel like that's that's a that's a very good
way to put it and it's it's quite strange that we're there with a neighbor but like it's a

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stark difference to what happens here and how things are on here and how things are on there
like i mean they just share the border there are some border images which show how different the
Indian side and the Bhutan is side of the border look yeah i mean population political aspirations
all of those things have a lot of lot of lot to do with it also they're a monarchy which is which

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has its own pros and cons as well mostly cons i don't know yeah i can't say speak for anybody else
i think i think they love their king a lot like they their kings are generally quite affectionate
i mean it only takes one king to change that but or or queen i don't know if they have queens or not

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but but the whole point is that anytime anybody wants to overthrow monarchy is only one they don't have
you know when they are not happy with them so so far there has been nothing like that that has happened
in Bhutan which means they have been taking care of them quite well otherwise they would have
been a diplomatic cover i mean you say it like as soon as people are unhappy with the monarchy it's

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very easy to throw over like no but there would be there would be like some kind of grumbling
amongst the people and there would be some kind of people who would take action in rebel there
would be rebels and then it gets into a full blown you know some kind of action

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i mean when you're unhappy there is a lot of voicing out which we don't really see in this case
i mean look at look at North Korea
North Korea i mean we know they're not allowed to speak well it's maybe it's the same in Bhutan
i don't know i don't think there's any coming i mean i've been there but people talk very highly

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about their kings so yeah so i have to just base it on what the people have told me
but we do not know anybody from North Korea is actually allowed to speak up and tell us what is
actually happening there dictatorship is different from from a monarchy like it's kind of follows

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the same playbook but yeah that's i mean dictatorships are supposed to be harsher
like it's yeah no i don't think there's supposed to be anything but it's basically the same thing
there's one person or one family that is making all the decisions

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depends on the person how harsh or how like dictatorships are generally like military generals
and who has like led a mutiny of some kind or things like that and then monarchies are like
this this family of kings or whatever monarchs as you call it but yeah New Zealand look at the plan

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you know set an example the like New Zealand has done before where it has set example for the world
on multiple occasions as well despite being a very relatively small
country in the middle of nowhere and yeah set an example this time as well like you know

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yeah i mean it's it's easier said than done but still New Zealand is one of those countries that i
appreciate at least for the fact that they have tried to keep as much nature as possible
obviously a lot of the nature is pastures but still they've tried to keep uh you know they've
not tried to like build on roads recklessly and they've not tried to cut through mountains recklessly

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so that is something that i really appreciate so it would be great if yeah only one percent of
New Zealand is actually open for development uh yeah that is i think a policy or
or some kind of a rule that they have here uh yeah so that is that is definitely commendable
made by Srinivas. Yeah so i'm sure that they would take some kind of a good stand here as well

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and they were not getting to the race or just development but we will see and we'll update you
develop it is good but development for us say sake of it and just completely ignoring all the other
factors is is super bad super bad super bad okay because i was a new word okay

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i also wanted to you know we we did not touch on this but i think we have uh
do we have oh yeah uh there was one more species discovered that i really wanted to talk about
which was the half and half um so there's a half male and a half female dual sex spider that has been

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discovered in thyland the scientists in thyland discovered a new species of baroing spider
de markis genus exhibiting rare bilateral gynan dwarf morphism okay gynan dwarf morphism found
in cancunaburi forest one pethanon was uniquely male on its right side and female on its left

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do you have the photo up oops um yeah i'm just trying to get the photo up uh
so the photo will make it better to see it oh i don't think we have the correct link here i will have
a look at it i will have a look at it wait let me just check uh oh oh uh oh god it got it got it

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i can see it wait yeah got it yeah i can open it you can keep talking
okay yeah so yeah so it's it's right and then because it's um you know it's male on its right
so and female on its left there's a proper color difference because in the wild most species

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animal species uh bird species um not animal but mostly bird species and insect species have a
remarkable difference in its male and female forms uh this marks the first recorded instance of
such a phenomena in this species and indeed the bemeridae family researchers for labying where
two long corn university confirm both the distinct species and its unusual morphology

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kind of morphism where an organism displays split male and female traits is an exceptionally
rare biological phenomena often stemming from sex chromosome disruptions during early development
this discovery offers new insights into spider biology and underscores the
rarity of such dual sex traits in nature collected males and females reveal dramatic differences

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in size and coloration that is such an interesting thing nature always can't like
doesn't fail to surprise doesn't fail to surprise and imagine i mean you're like half and half
i don't know i mean we have that concept in indism um we have that concept in indism where um

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shiva and parvati are you know half and half school artinadeshwar
um tell me this with the spider if they're half and half can the male half actually
impregnate the female half i doubt it i doubt it that is that was my question as well but i highly
doubted but you know there are things like patheno genesis in in the animal world

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and so you know surprises me so so do you think they need to mate with a male spider as well as a female
spider like for the male i don't know i'm not sure if they are like i would think they would be like
sterile or if is the entire species like that no i think this is one i think they would be

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sterile yeah there's that it's a new species of buttoine spider if the entire species is like that
i have no clue um probably we can try and get the scientists on this show to ask that question
but yeah it's it is i mean it might it might be a real phenomena but then because it's i don't know

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how they're meeting with each other but it is a new species so i don't know if it's just a single one
or they're it's a whole species that they're seeing yeah yeah i can't imagine the whole species being
like that but again nature maybe maybe what happens is if the whole species is like that then one

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spider is half male half female like left right and the other one is half male on the other side and
then they're made yeah probably probably yes probably um cool you want to take up something else
before i take up the bear topic ups um yeah i can i kind of wanted to mention this again just a

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just a note where they mention um just because it's no bell season as well um
um again this is a chemistry noble that has been awarded to three scientists for their work
on metal organic frameworks now by the headline it doesn't sound like it's anywhere related to
conservation climate change or wildlife but susumu kitagawa Richard Robson and Omar M. Yagi won the

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noble pro Nobel Prize in chemistry for developing metal organic frameworks MOFs these innovative
molecular structures possess large internal spaces enabling them to capture and storage of
chemicals their research offers immense potential for tackling critical global challenges

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that's the that's the hook applicable applications include capturing carbon dioxide
climate uh to combat climate change reducing plastic pollution and breaking down harmful forever
chemicals which is very very yeah as the name suggests very difficult to break down and

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persists in the ecosystem for an indifinite period of infinite time um and other harmful gases
currently MOFs are on a small scale but mass production is being explored this breakthrough
provides new materials offering significant benefits for the planet you know again as i said

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humans very good problem solvers and you know these i'm very i wanted to mention because
you know all the different um
different all the different faculties of science and research working together for a common goal

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that is very much desirable and very much achievable as well if we put our minds
to it um but yeah that's that we can sort of move on to the next topic I guess yeah and I'm sorry my
light is getting some problems just dying on me randomly uh i apologize for that um probably fine

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yeah um okay so the next topic that we'll be talking about and this is a little
controversial and we uh you know oops and i we had like huge discussion even when just
taking this topic we were not even happy with the discussion question that we were putting out
there so this will be interesting our dancers officials have shot and killed a male

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blood pair believed to have fatally more 60-year-old max promise of spring field miso re last week
at his campsite thomas's body was discovered Thursday several several yards outside the
san thrones campground in the vast ozark national forest according to newton county sheriff Len

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Villa the tragic event marks the second fatal by bear attack and arcanises in recent weeks
authorities with the arcanises game and fish commission just reported that in september
a 72-year-old man also died after a bear attack in nearby franklin county this week action by
officials to track and neutralize the responsible bear underscores effort to maintain public safety

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in popular wilderness areas these incidents highlight growing concerns about human wildlife
interactions prompting calls for heightened awareness and precautionary measures for those
venturing into arcanises extensive natural parks and forests so the discussion question here is
is killing the bear and appropriate response in this case and what alternatives could have been

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considered especially before a human fatality um the one of the things that is happening in this
case especially is there are two three things now that something that the summary has noted
one is that the phenomena of bears attacking humans is quite rare in the series but also the
bears have rebounded just like inflowed our bears have rebounded here because there has been active

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measures third the campsite was in a camping area which is basically somewhere in the forest
area not in the residential area so you were in the bear territory so me and noob site I think we've
had this conversation that who's fault is it like if you are in the ocean and a sharp
attacks you it's not the sharp spot is what I believe but I think for oops it's the opposite

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belief that you know no no no I don't hold the opposite belief but
I feel like if we don't allow people to go into the forest then like how will like people
be aware of the natural world and how will people be appreciative of the natural world etc etc

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so it's a catch 22 type situation I feel like it's a two-edged sword I feel like like
no but also I think with this case they were saying that this person had already reported one or two
days ago as well that there was a bear in that area near that campground so why was the person

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still around that area like why was the person not packing up and going somewhere else when there
was already that kind of news that had come out like there can be like thousand different reasons but
definitely the distance how far into the forest this place is and how far till the next

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you know campsite or and and just plants like you know
if something disrupts your plan how would you feel yeah but see so basically it's said that a
deputy had gone to the campground after the man's son reported he had not heard from his father
who had sent his family pictures of a black bear in his camp aren't used in morning so

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you know so the person I mean he probably thought that you know bears you know Canada and
US forest trekkers are very aware of bears they like bear horns and this and that
yeah because the body was discovered on Thursday and Tuesdays when he sent the photos so that
was like he might have been very normal for him like oh there's a bear okay we'll dig with it you

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know because it's a very normal thing to have bears around in Canada Canada's and Americans
American like not American forests so he might have been like yeah see a bear cute like we would
say in the photo of a bird in New Zealand there's nothing else than New Zealand other than birds
or maybe you know I don't know a tiger like it happened with us in Tecala where you know a tiger was

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sitting in our in our forest lodge outside in the in the Veranda you know so he might have
been like that but how would he know that the bear would come attack him and you know kill him
yeah I don't know yeah so at the end of this article it does say that one of the scientists says

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that even though this is the bear I think that they believe kill the kill the campar they say in the
end that even though this article you know I mean this incident has happened bear attacks are
exceedingly rare like I think the last one was something in 1900 I don't remember what year
but it was like way way way back that you know something like a bear has attacked a human in

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Arkansas but at the same time I mean they checked CCTV footage and they were like okay it's this
bear let shoot it down what do you think as as the public in general is that a good way to go about
like just like you know okay this one probably kill me let me go kill them kind of thing

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what is what is like a better alternative to it I feel like the policy on this is pretty similar
all over the world if a carnivore capable of harming humans harms a human let alone kill it

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they're declared a man-eater and they are shot the the thing is also we actually do come in their
food cycling it is just not weak and immediately to cover it comes out of the second but but isn't it
like only polar bears for only polar bears we are on their menu all other carnivores don't really

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care for us no no I think it's the same with even tigers and all they in fact say that a lot of
animals they like human meat more than other meat if they have access to them to us I don't think
that's the case only polar bears will actively hunt human beings

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no no I think all kind of bears and tigers but tell me this then then why why do people kill them
if that is not the case if tigers or bears are just mulling a one-off human then why do they
why do you have to kill them once they get a day like they will not actively hunt us like
sharks will not actively hunt us but if they get a taste of our meat that's where the human meat

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being very palatable or better than all the because we have our meat is very lean from you know
all the good things that we consume or whatever I don't know our meat is very lean and supposed to be
tasty I don't know this is reports from like people who were practicing cannibalism or whatever

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Hannibal electric type type characters but anyway once they get a taste then they have to
then they actively will hunt for more more human beings and once they also realize that these guys
cannot run or defend themselves yeah that is the main thing I don't know in

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but that is the case by case basis like that is not something that a mother is teaching their
kid unless it is like Sundarbun's which every tiger is a maneter
so the so I think the thing with this is actually the last point that you said I don't know how

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now tasty our meat is obviously there there are accounts we do not know I mean you shouldn't
know how tasty our meat is no I mean we do not know for sure right like right now we do not have
any written records by people comparing like let's say chicken or beef to our meat and say
like which is tasty but with humans I think when when an animal becomes a meat eater

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a maneter then that the second point that you said that you see them as a easier source of
prey is is actually true because humans are slower humans are weaker as opposed to other animals
like I think this is this is similar to similar to what has happened in New Zealand though right
oops so when when the Britishers and the Europeans arrived in New Zealand they thought that the

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landscape was really boring there were no animals to shoot no animals to hunt no animals to see
so they brought in and introduced a lot of animals and one of the animals they introduced were rabbits
and rabbits as you know multiply like crazy just like any pigs you know you would say you bring
to and you would have 24 and no time so when the rabbits started multiplying like crazy then they

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were like oh we need to bring some other animal to control the rabbits so what did they do
they brought in stoats and ferrets and they thought that the stoats and ferrets would go for the rabbits
but when the stoats and ferrets came to New Zealand they realized that oh wow the birds are super
slow they just freeze they don't do anything like they don't fly so the the stoats and ferrets started

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going for the native birds which is when it kind of started alarm like you know ringing alarms I don't
even know where where or how people thought that was a great solution but it's similar it's similar
like how you know the stoats and ferrets went for the slow birds because that was easier than the
effort they would have had to put in running behind a rabbit and it is similar here probably

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there when a tiger or a bear becomes a man-eater they just know that humans are slower and weaker as
opposed to let's say a deer or any of their other prey they see us as an easier capture I don't
know about the taste but the easier capture is true definitely easier capture is probably the

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primary motivated there so like the point I was trying to make is yeah like the the law or the
approach to human animal conflict especially if it's a large carnivore mostly from the cat family

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but also the bear family etc even even like wild dogs sometimes or or elephants you know whatever
it is capable of easily killing a human being without much effort on that animal's part those
animals are shut down if it's a carnivore as a man-eater if it's a herbivore then as a you know

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problem elephant or whatever problem by some or whatever yeah but don't you ever think that we
are the problem not them like I mean in this case literally it was it was a campsite it was a campsite
where the bear probably stays around that forest area I mean even even the photo from the article
is showing the bear in some forest kind of area but we never know like if the man instigated the

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which I don't think he did if he he was such a old man and then he might have been living in that
area for a long time you cannot take anyone on face value these days I remember once in New
Zealand I was on one of those beaches in Dunedin and there was a sea lion and you know they tell you

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specifically to not go like closer than 10 meters and there was this person that was right next to
the sea lion and he was trying to kind of hekill it and the sea lion and kind of try to
lunge at him which is when he went away so and this this person was like really old so I mean you
cannot take anybody for face value on what they yeah I would say that we will never know that

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who instigated who or if there was an instigation in process in that process in the in the killing
process but see but for me I think there are two three more things now one one we have to see where
did the bearer died because if it was it's the home area then how can the bear be at fault even if
it's even if it's in the if it comes to locality you and translocated but having said that a lot

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of animals like especially leopards in India they coexist with humans they literally coexist like
they're a camera trap footage of a human in the morning you know walking in the same area and a
leopard in the night and these leopards know better than to hunt humans they do not go for humans
but the thing is if that if one leopard which is a rare occurrence but if one leopard or tiger kills

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because there has been recent recent news articles recent I mean within the last two or three years
where a tiger was shot down by the one last remaining hunter like a mannator hunter in India so
that's what I'm saying like all the great hunters that has come out from India Jim

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Corbett, P Jim Corbett or anyone else they were all appointed for those specific reasons if there
is a problem tiger or a problem leopard those were the two species that were most problematic in India
at that point but you're saying from like there was a time when people even hunted for no reason
like there are hundred tigers and leopards and cheetahs just because they were also hunted for

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this reason when they were shot because Jim Corbett at like he started hunting for you know pleasure
but ultimately he became problem problem yeah problem animal hunter only
no no also became a conservationist but my problem yeah I'm looking for yeah my problem with all of this

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and tell me how this works that we can go and kill bears in a flooded up bare hunt while taking
permits why can't the bears maybe have like a maybe permit to kill these many humans in a year
haha that's yeah I think that's that's an impossible question to answer because

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but where where are the equal rights then I don't think yeah that's that's really a thing equal rights
yeah I mean I mean there are four thousand bears then they're probably like four million
especially with animals like yeah but they're like probably four thousand bears and 40 million
humans and the bears still do not get like a share of whatever like you know I mean you're like oh

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there are a lot of bears let's shoot down like 200 of them but we never we never do that with humans
you're like oh one human is killed okay let's shoot down the bear one one human is killed let's kill
the shark or let's one human is killed let's just do this yeah and at the same time at the same time
when a human kills a human or like when there's these gun shooting you know all of these

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those humans too no no like I mean there are these massive gun shooting incidents in the US and
still like they're like okay no no let's just keep the guns where they are it's fine like you know
no but we do give give our life sentences and you know or or like death penalties like capital
we do we do but we go through the entire no but we don't just not for killing another animal

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but for killing another human no but when when we kill another human we go through an entire
legislative process like we go through the court rules we need evidence there are a lot of people
acquitted and convicted where wrongly like they're both wrongly acquitted or convicted then there's
a whole system of influence and everything that works in these areas so you know it's not the same

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it's not the same like because we have the see one of the things one of the main things that can
differentiate a human from an animal is that we are able to project ourselves like basically put
ourselves in the shoes of others so I think all these things is basically a result of that like

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if that happens to me I don't want to be declared a dead man as soon as I do that thing so
it's I think all the laws and things have developed a lot of them have developed that way that you know
if that happens to me this is what I would want to be done to me so if that is what I want then

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I have to make sure I make a law that applies to everyone even though I don't want don't really
want it to apply to everyone but just because I wanted to apply to me in a democratic system I have
to make sure that everyone gets that privilege so I mean I still think it's a big problem if you

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whenever you go camping you kind of go camping in the wild with with the entire knowledge that
there are risks of camping in the wild so you cannot blame the animal because you go camping in
it's home yeah I mean I think that's the takeaway here the better education and just like you said

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we don't know who instigated who more what actually transpired transpired yeah we don't know what
transpired sorry not transpired transpired so we don't know what exactly happened so there's no document
you proof yeah exactly so I think better education as you were saying that is chiefly important

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and then also maybe like proper campgrounds we're fencing and you know not just camping in any way
I would much prefer that their bear get a shock than to kill that get killed so even if they're
like electric fences that's fine too it's a large animal it's it won't get like too much it might

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get a jolt but it won't be like too much bothered by a shock yeah and then if anybody is camping
outside those protected zones like yeah then you shouldn't blame the bear and you shouldn't blame
you should blame the human there will be like concerns like I don't really sort of here concerns oh

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we'll bring our kids if they touch the fans yeah um but like like what you've suggested in the
discussion question as well relocating or like non-lethal deterrence that the thing is anywhere
that bear goes it will probably hunt more humans we don't know that's the reason we we sort of kill

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the problem animals the man eaters of sorts I mean we see we do not know for sure we know
with tigers that their behavior changes but with bears we do not know if their behavior changes
and that's the risk probably the administration is not willing to take and the second thing is
there are like a lot of centuries or do you know what you'll hate that solution but they can be

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put in zoos yeah I was going to say that I was going to say that maybe not a zoo but maybe some
kind of open sanctuary kind of here yeah where there is like where the interaction with humans can
be highly controlled probably but we are I mean they also need to be seen right like if they're

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actually turning into man eaters or if it was one provoked attack by the bear I mean is that a
risk that we can take I would say no I would say I mean you literally said yeah you said with
the building it's stream but I think relocating it to a zoo in my opinion now that we have

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discussed it is would be would be the best solution but it is the wild animal shooting it is the wild
animal that has done something it has committed a crime that we deem kill worthy so would you
prefer killing or would you prefer a zoo relocation I would prefer zoo zoo zoo relocation I would

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I would say a better strategy would be to relocate it far into the wild like like deep into the wild
but you know how these animals travel such long distances so they would probably find that
comfort if that was their home it would probably find that comfort and come back there it's no

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it's it's impossible it is possible even with like dogs and all we say that you cannot relocate them
from one area because there's a there's an area that they have marked but with with an animal
if you think it has a problem animal for humans then chance for killing them deep into the wild might
be a solution they may or may not come back like you know there is a possibility that they just
stay in the wild don't there might be but again those are the risks like when the government is

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ordering this hunt they'll they probably would have evaluated all the other risks as well so
yeah I feel like zoo would be the best I actually don't think that the governments have this
misdemeanor evaluate on animals like they're just like oh this one or or yeah or it's basically the
law or the rule if an animal kills another human being and just get rid of the animal it's just

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the rule so they might have evaluated it when they made that rule but yeah they're never after
yeah generally governments don't care about animals to that extent that they would actually think
of yeah of a long term policy and everything it's very simple for them or this one
and I do human oak it just just finish it off but I can kind of see how much problem problematic it

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would be if the bear is not removed entirely from the situation and by remove I don't mean like
relocating to a far away place because that yeah that is little to no guarantee that it would not
come back or wouldn't try to you know or another stupid human won't head out into the place where

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the bear was relocated to so you know we have all got all kinds of humans out there so yeah I
would prefer zoo relocation in this case same as I was saying with the billu guys I would prefer
them being in a sanctuary or them being in captivity forever over

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for utilization but I would I would say that is really cruel because a bear that has been brought up in
the wild to put it in like a small space and not allowed to move and to have like it's like fake
whatever like you know like like but would you choose that would you wouldn't you choose that
over death I would choose if those were the two only options yeah if there's but they're not

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too only too what other option is there but I said you know translating it deeper like how can
you guarantee that like if you were responsible for it would you take that responsibility that the
bear wouldn't kill another human being you know but it is worth giving it a try right because we
haven't tried it like but when a human life is on the line who is going to take that bet no the

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human life is already gone no but another human life is potentially on the line no
no I'm not the person however slim the percentage may be I'm the human will take that call
and the human will know and be on the line because this forest is not accessible wherever we will
be dropping bet no but who is going to take that responsibility that there's there's always a chance

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there's always a chance we can track the bear put a tracking GPS on it and we can see if it
actually trying to make it that's cost money all of that costs a lot and a lot of money there is research
and tracking systems on animals every day every day there's a little they can't be tracked life
they can't be tracked life you have to be within that three kilometer range of that tracker to be

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able to track that animal they can't be tracked life but they don't satellite trackers no it's
they're not you have seen the like the wayfinders with the radios and stuff they will move and move
and move they have to have the one's the one's that they put on the sharks what are they doing with that

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they have to track them they have to track them because the battery will die off otherwise
if they are battery operated then within like one month the battery will die off and then what
because any kind of cellular communication takes a lot of battery power
so how do how are like deep deep in the sea and deep deep in the forest and the

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sea under the water nothing can send out a signal it's only if the animal comes up for air then
they'll be able to get a signal so for like marine animals and fish that's a really easy thing to
do because they can they have sensors which can say okay as soon as the sensor is out of the water

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send us a bleep every maybe you know two days or something like that on land animal but there's a
limit like that too they will have a plan for like because these marine animals that are tracked
they will be like oh we're doing this research for so maybe for one year we'll track it

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but who is to guarantee that that's what i'm saying who will take the guarantee that after one year
if the battery runs for one year or two years or five years who's to guarantee that after that
it won't harm a human like but at least even if you have a couple of years of data you would be
able to know if the bear is actually trying to come back to the area it was in at least that data

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you would be able to know right yes and and then you can say with certainty that the bear wouldn't
harm it in the next 10 years or 20 years or whatever until the bear lives yeah but if the bear is not
trying to come back to the area then you know that it's happy wherever it is someday it might
no but then you know just because of the someday thing you can't just you know that's why that's

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exactly why we killed that bear no if we translocated we don't see like we we see it for one or two
years we try to see if it's actually try to come back we see it's not coming back from its deep
forest area then we kind of leave it with the assumption that it's not coming back

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that's i don't think no anybody will be willing to take that after two years i mean we forget
10 years even i forget news in two days now i don't think people for like number
yeah i don't know there there's no no no chance but humans have done
worst thing in like after 20 years 10 years or whatever i didn't watch think humans are made

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this ringlight that is not working today probably through a public true um but yeah i think i think
definitely if if there was a plan and i i'm sure like there are more intelligent people and
capable people than you or me working on this like walking on a solution maybe translocation

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as a solution exploring some options um maybe we will be able to find someone who is exactly
working on that maybe have a chat with them at some point but um yeah i feel like as it stands
currently since i don't have that data um yeah a relocation would have been a much like a

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relocation to a park or a zoo or a sanctuary um in a controlled space basically or even if it's
a pen within the forest or some of some kind like a few square miles um formed off in some way
no we don't need the coordinating now that i mean i don't know i would believe that if you're

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sending it to a deep area it's obviously not the area that it's supposed to be in it's a new area
that's not great for the animals but it is better than trying to like keep it in a captive place or
shooting it because by are we shooting it based on one incident that we don't have a lot of
knowledge about like what literally happened no i mean i mean obviously obviously there are
different opinions on this but i would i would say that there are better solutions than killing a

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bear oh that i agree with a better solution than feeling especially when you have gone into its
not when it's come to your home you've gone into its home and it's still the bear that's up
so it's it's kind of a really unfair world for the bears um because you know you can take
permits to kill the bears but the bears can't take permits to kill you but yeah yeah yeah no i mean

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definitely better solutions that we can agree on um but what's the better solution that remains to
be seen um cool um there are what are you talking about next yes what are you talking about um

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maybe mention this um this thing i was very surprised to learn that when when i found out about it
i think it was it was some time ago but when i found out about it that there's an actual seed
bank somewhere in the north pole where they cryo freens seeds of all plants both um you know

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still here and extinct um to be able to grow them if they went extinct and since they started
saving i think a lot of species uh more than they imagined have gone extinct actually so
that's a good thing about plants that you know if you save a seed even for like thousands of years

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they would be able to germinate um you know once um you know after those thousands but anyways
this is another interesting thing philippines bioniers choral choral lave cryobank
to protect threatened reeds that is so cool the choral triangle and cryophrasing you know

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everybody will probably know it but it's you know subzero temperatures um and they just
freeze it for a long long time uh the choral triangle of 5.7 million square kilometer expands across
six southeastern nations it's richest marine ecosystem known as the amazon on seas it

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harvests over three quarters of global choral species a third of all reef fish and vast mangroves
sustaining 120 million people yet this vital region faces immense threats rising carbon emissions
destructive fishing pollution and accelerating climate change cause extensive choral bleaching

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habitat loss and species decline the world lost 14% of chorals between 2009 and 2018
with scientists warning or of 70 to 90% loss by 2050 without drastic climate action in response

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the philippines is establishing south east asia's third choral choral lave cryobank this facility
will freeze and preserve choral lave which gandhen revive damaged trees and aid research
protecting genetic diversity there's so much here but um again most of the things that

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is mentioned here we have very little to know no idea about um but um yeah certainly is very
stinking as interesting sorry and considering where we are headed in terms of like
extinction with very little hope to

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yeah there's hope there's it reminds me of how David Attenborough would say in that
documentary whatever his last estimate it was called he would obviously say that the earth only
has like 80 90 years if we do not take action so now where you know how it said that by 2050 we lose
70 to 90% chorals it it literally hit me the same way um like like literally speak about 25

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years does not very far away the way you know time is speeding up it is not and if in 25 years if
we're losing the majority of uh chorals we're probably looking at a really bleak future with no
marine life and uh i mean the choral choral bank or the cryo bank that we would have with might

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actually be one last hope like just like the one that you spoke about in the north not one it might
be one last hope it might be like the Noah's Ark of the present yeah um a lot of these cryo banks
have been being established and yeah it's it's one of those things that makes sure that

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there is a genetically diverse community of sorry a genetically diverse
um bank of um different species be it plant seeds or be it choral larvae this is really interesting

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because again as Megna was saying earlier chorals are not plants they are animals so it is very very
interesting that they are um they were able to device this protocol where they were able to cryo

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freeze um uh living like an animal and not a plant seed which is much more resilient to you know
these kinds of procedures um but yeah yeah but also we have to see that if we're kind of saving all
these seeds and saving all these chorals like a sample of them um you know the the kind of

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situation that might be there in 2050 60 with the kind of warming or i don't know what it will be
bad by then would they actually thrive if we try to plant them probably that's why they have said
that they have devised this do you pioneer this new technique so they must have tried it out

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online you know shorter again we can never be sure until that time comes but they must have
they must be pretty certain of their of their research so i would expect if not anything it's a backup
like you know it's a backup yeah it's a backup if it works it's great if it doesn't we know we're

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doomed so we have a backup yeah um yeah um so from the cryobank news i think there's one more
news that we can mention which is which is which is again equally surprising but apparently Marie
marine life are thriving on Nazi missile debris in the Baltic Sea so Germany dumped vast

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world war two munitions in the Baltic Sea i think right after the war was over and a recent study
surprisingly found these toxic submerged weapons post more many organisms than surrounding
sediments in October 2024 and ROB explored a lubex bay dump site identifying discarded nazi

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piosler f-modern 103 crews matial warheads researchers documented eight species including snails
sea enemies the same enemies that we were talking about earlier worms starfishes crabs and fish
like Atlantic cord and plunder the munition debris supported 43,184 individuals per square meter

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vastly exceeding the 8,213 individuals per square meter in the nearby sediment lead author
andre vedenin expressed shock having expected significantly fewer animals despite high levels
of toxic explosive compounds like tnt and odx this unexpected biodiversity suggests hazardous

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conditions are in sustained long term or simply failed to determine marine life as initially thought
so now they can be two things either either there's something in these explosive compounds that
is attracting the animals way more than something else and it's not as toxic to them as opposed
because there's not been enough study to see what is the effect on these organisms or maybe these

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compounds have some kind of effect where they get high on them you know or like they're some happy
element in them like you know something that's affecting their brain so that's why they're like
43,000 individuals instead of 8,000 or they like simply don't care they are unfettered by

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the presence of these things i mean if they were unfettered then that would that would not show
the massive increase in the organisms right something in them is affecting them for sure
yes yeah because i'm like where the marine where the debris isn't the the individuals are almost one
fifth of the population so where the debris is there's like five pounds more obviously the debris

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also causes like a home kind of thing it's like a fake reef yes that is one of the
few things yeah when you dump something into the ocean it becomes the fake reef like in a lot of
places across the world also they do create fake reefs and sometimes think that like so much
um like what would you say uh like these cars and bikes and trucks and everything to create like

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a fake debris and when you go after a few years you see like coral forming on it and you see all
these fish and everything so it is possible that the debris is acting like a shelter but also
there's something about the debris where they're not phased by the TNT and RDX so it might be
something to reward they're receiving out of it as well yeah that might very well be the case um

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yeah i mean yeah it is it is very interesting at the very least um yeah i think i was seeing
David Adamborough documentary recently where he was um showing the sea floor being very

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very very um filled with all the plastic and you know um waste and he had there was actually this
octopus mother who was who took residence in one of the BBC pipes that were thrown in the ocean
so yeah that is a very likely scenario where they're finding some homes in those unlikely places but

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certainly certainly warrants more research to see what's actually going on because this is very
interesting yes very interesting true um if if we still have time we can talk about the octopus
farming oh yeah let's do that we can talk about as many things as we like

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okay do you want to do the octopus farming story yes so
octopus farming is a dangerous detour for marine conservation this is a commentary piece on that
was that was published on uh monga bay proponents claim octopus farming again why it has been

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farmed because we love to eat octopus octopus octopus octopus yeah i don't know uh farming can
alleviate missing pressure on wild populations fishing um fishing press the pressure on wild populations
which face mounting pressures and even aid future restocking efforts however a new op ed

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argues this unsubstantiated and misguided proposal is environmentally detrimental octopuses are
um our obligate carnivals with a poor feed conversion rate meaning their farming requires

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enormous quantities of wild caught marine protein for feed this practice risks intensifying rather
than easing overfishing further harming already stressed wild fish population and crucial marine ecosystems
dependent on them drawing lessons from other industrial aquaculture experts warn such farming is

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inherently unsustainable and unethical it raises significant ecological and ethical concerns
potentially accelerating the very collapse of wild octopus populations it aims to prevent
thereby undermining global marine biodiversity and resilience that is a lot to think about but yeah

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kind of agree with the reasoning there but i don't know what the solution is see the solution for
this would probably be to kind of motivate people the same way that we motivate people to step
away from shark fins uh that you know that that it's not great having shark fins because you
we need sharks in the ocean plus shark fins are mostly just cartilage and don't have taste so it has

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to be the same with octopuses that we have to kind of educate people about why you know we need the
octopus in the ocean why farming is a bad idea or even fishing the octopus is a bad idea and what
kind of impact it has in the ocean because the farming seems like the worst idea like even more than
then you know fishing the octopus the farming seems like this idea where you have to fish even more

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to keep the octopus alive so you need to like keep fishing and then bring those fish and then
feed these octopus and they have a poor feed conversion rate so they just need enormous
quality of these wild caught marine fish which makes zero sense i mean you know if you are going to
have something as the farming technique you have it has to be something that's profitable something

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that's easy to carry out but if it is this stuff and it's causing even more pressure on the oceans
than it is not worth it yeah i think it has to be elevated from eating octopus that is the only way
we see it i mean octopus are brilliant animals i mean in fact that one octopus that got really
famous for telling which football team would win you remember all yes i mean and then the octopus

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teacher like such a beautiful documentary showing how the you know the octopus becomes friends with
this man and this man goes and meets octopus every day and then you know how the octopus is babies
and eventually dies it's a beautiful beautiful documentary that shows how intelligent they are
so i mean when we can recognize their intelligence in more than one way i mean we've seen

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examples we should probably step away from eating them and alleviate that pressure
yes and that would be the best solution but i mean you would know this better than
um being but you know it's very very difficult but so many people attached to

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oh but what about i like to eat it okay don't eat it eat something else um exactly i mean we
sadly we're at this at this pace where we are saying that by 2050 60 we might lose a big chunk of
our land life or our marine life um so we're standing at this injunction where we have to make big

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decisions and big changes uh sadly we are the generation and the generations that are coming forward
we are the ones that have to bear the branch of all the pressure that is on us because we are closer to
uh what if extinction caused by our own pressures then any other generation was and we have to take
those decisions and the decision in a lot of cases may not be convenient but it is the right decision

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so in this case you know alleviate the pressure from eating octopus like leaves octopus alone
find other sources eat those sources that are that that can be grown organically in a farm
instead of trying to go for something that cannot be grown easily in a farm yeah it is
I mean live animals grow like farming live animals is always challenging

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yeah i don't know i mean i mean even chickens chickens and goats and sheep and
base yeah those are the things like cows goats sheep chicken these ducks to some extent these are
the animals we are sort of kind of figured out but we're you know you hear all the stories about

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like salmon farms and how badly bad the salmon the salmon actually are in that confined space even
though it is in the sea um yeah but they're all diseased and have some kind of problems i'm i mean
i'm not saying that farming animals is a good idea they it has its own exploitative problems and

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other issues but um by no i'm saying farming anything beyond the beyond the species we have
definitely figured out how to farm is very difficult anyway so but i think i think one of the things
that people have successfully done is a prawn or shrimp shrimp farming that is something that people

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have been able to to successfully and that has kind of alleviated to the pressure from the
wild populations because they do not need those uh kind of you know like high protein feed i don't know
Antarctica the amount of krill that is fished from Antarctica is staggering yeah i mean i mean for krill

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or something it would actually be useful if if we really needed that amount of krill then to farm it
we don't eat it we don't eat krill we needed for some feed or something like that only
we don't eat krill um wait well let me see why do we fish but it's astonishing

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why like the yeah i think they're used in dietary supplements and aqua geofiqs
so further i think for the ocean for the aquariums but for some dietary supplements as well
no for us also like the fish oil and omega-3 capsules and things like that yeah yeah so those are the

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dietary supplements exactly yes and they're also used as bait in sport fishing apparently
100% yes so i mean i mean if in these cases if the krill can be found uh the octopus not the
octopus but the krill can be found without pressure on the oceans if that is something like how the
prons and shrimp are farmed because that is something that i'm that i'm actually okay with the

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prons and shrimp they they actually ease the pressure because prons have a huge bicarcerate in
the ocean so when the prons are farmed in farms they're like a big pond and they're farmed in those
points and it yeah and you know it kind of saves you from that nine kilo bite catch that every kilo
prons have so with the prons i actually think the farming is a great idea where the the

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wild population is not being affected and it's a sustainable way to actually eat them it's a better
way but with octopus both ways are not effective like even the farming and and fishing them from
the ocean both of them are equally bad and i think you touched on it like octopus are very intelligent
creatures so like it would be almost similar like keeping an intelligent creature and captivity that

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may captivity and like you know farming that too um like thankfully we're not farming like dolphins
or beluga whales or any cetaceans but um is octopus a cetacean i don't know but anyway um yeah but
i think i mean the point is maybe for the krills we need to find a solution because the krill is

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literally the keystone species in Antarctica and it is a diet for most marine mammals and sea birds
there and it also plays a critical role in kind of storing the the carbon there in the southern ocean
so it's a carbon sink um so we shouldn't try to but this is the thing right looks like we kind of
are digging our own grave like when we say that by 2050 um you know the krills are going to go

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bust bust or you know we're not going to have these kind of animals or um you know we kind of
digging our own grave we like okay no we'll keep overfishing for now and only when that last
face weather that last land animal stays then we're like oh shit what have we done yeah yeah
yeah yeah that unfortunately is most um how how most things go in this world um and in the world

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we have created um and that is one of the reasons we are doing this show we wanted to do this show
is bring those issues in front of many more audiences and hopefully we're able to do
this show till 2050 and let you know how the corals are actually doing or how we are doing like

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like bring some positive news we hope that we are able to bring some positive news as the years go by
or we will call the wild bits ending you know the podcast if it's the one that's actually ending
so yeah yeah it's it's crazy to think that we can even like think about such a thing you know
but we need to be prepared like just how we could have like an actual deadline like this is the day

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for sure our throw is ending along with everything around it so you know but I think the same thing
looks like you said it was very naive of the scientists to think the Red Sea wouldn't get
affected by the bombing cycles I think it would be very naive or fast to not be prepared that maybe
2050 60 the earth would be a really bad place we have to be prepared it would be very naive

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of us if we are not prepared 100% 100% and like it would also be very irresponsible of us if we are
not doing everything that we can do to not reach that fate um yeah so let's see if we have more

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positive stories next time than negative stories but tell us what you thought about our episode
especially with the with the bears like what would you do if a bear attacks someone you knew or
what do you feel when you hear this news what is the best solution out there um and please send us
any other stories or any other things that you love about wildlife we are here to listen and we

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would love your comments on our show yeah and we will definitely be looking out for any
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beluga's if you're able to spare there if there is a donation link we'll definitely share it in

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that would be great as well if there's such a link exists but other than that as usual goes
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