The financial world is experiencing seismic shifts as gold prices surge beyond $3,100 per ounce, establishing new all-time highs amid growing global uncertainty. This remarkable price movement isn't simply about gold becoming more valuable—it's a stark indicator of the dollar's rapidly declining purchasing power, which has fallen by 40% against gold in just the past year.
Tony Arterburn of Wise Wolf Gold joins to unpack what's truly happening beneath the headlines. The discussion reveals how current economic policies, particularly recent tariff implementations, are creating market disruptions that may be deliberately engineered to facilitate a broader financial reset. Rather than viewing these developments through a conventional economic lens, Tony suggests we're witnessing the early stages of a controlled demolition of the traditional financial system.
The conversation delves into how BRICS nations are systematically establishing alternative financial infrastructures while central banks worldwide quietly accumulate gold and silver reserves. Meanwhile, retail investors rush into paper gold ETFs without understanding the fundamental differences between these financial instruments and physical metal ownership. This disconnect between institutional and retail behavior may prove costly as the financial landscape continues to transform.
Perhaps most concerning is the accelerating push toward digital currency systems that could enable unprecedented financial surveillance and control. While governments publicly oppose Central Bank Digital Currencies, private-public partnerships are developing suspiciously similar systems under different names. Unlike digital currencies, physical precious metals remain outside this surveillance grid—they can't be remotely frozen, monitored, or confiscated with the click of a button.
As we navigate these uncertain waters, positioning yourself outside the conventional financial system with tangible assets becomes increasingly critical. Whether you're just beginning to explore precious metals or looking to expand your holdings, there are accessible entry points for investors at every level. The time to prepare isn't after the crisis hits—it's right now, while you still have the freedom to choose.
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Tony is now is Tony Arterburn of Wise Wolf Gold and
he has set up David Knightgold.
I'll take you there and Iimagine Tony, as I said before,
is super busy right now becausegold is in all the headlines
like we've never seen it before,because they're seeing new
all-time highs and it benefitedyesterday.
It seems to be very comfortablein the $3,100 range, doesn't it
(01:28):
, tony?
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
It's great to be back , David.
Yes, if you look at the metrics, the dollar has lost 40% of its
purchasing power against goldin the last year alone.
Wow, these are historic times$3,100 an ounce gold and it
surpassed that.
It went into the mid-3,100s acouple days ago.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
And that's the key thing, even more important than
the price of gold versus dollar,and that is the purchasing
power of the dollar.
And if it goes down by 40%,that's really the true value of
the gold, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
That's right.
I mean, that's what I try toteach is that when you're
watching gold go up, it's notgetting more valuable.
It's the dollars losingpurchasing power against it
because it's a monetary metal.
And I think that's the key toall of this is the dollar is
losing its purchasing power,it's losing its reserve status
More and more, it's being dumpedby central banks around the
(02:26):
world.
And then you add, in this chaoswhich is this is from an
economic standpoint, david I,and it's funny.
I feel like you know one of the.
You see those uh shows from the70s or so where a kid gets
caught smoking cigarettes andthe the father would be like
well, here's have a whole packof cigarettes, you know so.
So he gets sick or something,and I feel like that's what I
(02:49):
wanted.
Tariffs.
You know, for the last 20 yearsI've been reading about economic
nationalism.
I was an outlier, I ran forCongress on this and you know I
looked at all the history of itand I, you know, give talks
about it and now that it'shappening, it's happening in
such a funhouse mirror versionof what I was talking about that
has nothing to do with.
This isn't going to goose theeconomy.
(03:10):
This isn't going to spur growthand we're certainly not setting
the conditions for companies tomove here.
So this is an entirelydifferent thing that we're
watching and at the same time,you see, I mean gold is a little
bit below $3,100 in outstaybecause there's profit taking.
I mean it was massive gains ingold and then everything else
(03:32):
the trillions that were wipedout from retirement plans just
in the last 48 hours isabsolutely stunning.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
That's right.
Yeah, trillions gone and andyou know it is um, as you said,
it's a circus and the ringmasteris Jekyll and Hyde.
We never know what he's goingto do at any moment.
And with all the stuff that'shappening, the question is, with
all these differentdisturbances not just with
terrorist, but with everythingelse how many plates can Trump
keep spinning in this uh, threering circus to keep this stuff
(04:03):
going, going?
But it seems like there doesn'tseem to be any limit to that.
As soon as one of them fallsoff the pole, they start another
one, and all the media seems tohelp him, both the opposition
media as well as the supportingmedia.
They help him to distractpeople to something else, and so
a lot of people have said thatthey believe that Trump is
deliberately trying to create arecession because he'd like to
(04:26):
see interest rates lowered.
You think that's.
I mean we can only guess at hismotives, but I mean that that
certainly.
I don't know if they'll lowerthe interest rates, but it
certainly is looking likerecession.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Well, they're going to have to do something cause
such a massive downturn because,again, the other economic
conditions and the time framefor companies to move here and
employ people and buildinfrastructure and make
investments they didn't makethose conditions possible.
They're just punishing theimports and the folks that are
doing business as usual.
(04:58):
So nothing changed there, it'sjust this is going to throw a
wrench in all of the moneyvelocity and things that were
going on, the liquidity itself,so that the Fed will be forced
to do something.
It'll have to lower rates.
You have a 1929 situation onyour hands and I think anybody
can see that.
That's not I don't think that'slost on the central planners
(05:21):
the issue that we're caught inthe middle of this.
And if you look at the BRICSnations, they're unifying.
We talked about it last time Iwas on the show.
They're building cross-borderpayment systems, which I've been
talking about, using gold andother commodities as stabilizing
value as the dollar losesmarket share and meanwhile we're
(05:41):
isolating our trade partnersand people in our own hemisphere
.
I mean, canada is ridiculous andI know that.
You know you can throw out.
You know Canada has like 230percent tariffs on dairy and
things like that andagricultural stuff.
But with NAFTA over the yearsand we've had pretty stable
trade on most things, you know,without too high of tariffs or
(06:05):
zero tariffs, so that's workedfor a long time.
It just doesn't make any sensewhat we're doing if you're
looking at it from an economicstandpoint.
But if you're looking at itfrom a chaos standpoint, you
want to get to a place where thecrisis will call for a
resetting of the financialframework.
Then this is how you do it andyou do it under this guise and,
(06:27):
of course, using this, you canblame others.
There's got to be someunderlying strategy in here that
has nothing to do with whatthey've been.
I mean Trump's right when hetalks about the era of tariffs
and I talked about that for youand it ended really in 1913.
That was when you get theFederal Reserve, the income tax
and you get the first real freetrade policies in the United
(06:51):
States with Woodrow Wilson, andit's been absolutely destructive
.
He's right about that.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Except he left out the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
He complained about the income tax, but he didn't
say anything about the FederalReserve Right.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
He created it there.
So, yeah, because he wants tobe able to have that kind of
impact as Powell.
As a matter of fact, he wantsPowell to take his orders so
that he can, he can do all that.
No, I think you go back and youlook at CBDC, that order that
Biden had in the spring of 2022.
And he wanted to.
He said to all the people youknow, here's four things I want
(07:25):
you to do.
One of them, one of the fourthey had to do the code for the
crypto.
They had to come up with amarketing angle.
Hey, we're going to save theplanet because, you know, we
don't have to do any mining.
We need law enforcement isgoing to force it on people, but
the first thing was completelyredesign the financial system.
Trump is doing the same thing.
He's just doing it in adifferent way and he's doing it
(07:46):
in a more effective way becausepeople, biden just does it by.
You know, here I'm going to banthis.
I'm going to force you to dothis, and here's my order to do
this With a lot of the stuffthat Trump is doing.
Yes, he's done a lot ofexecutive orders, but a lot of
the stuff that he's doing isvery subtle.
In the same way that he'scoming up with a private digital
currency, he's also coming upwith a different way to
completely reset the financialsystem for that private digital
(08:09):
currency.
I think.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
There's an article up on Zero Hedge.
Maxine Waters was, of allpeople, saying Trump's going to
create his own coin.
It's going to be his coin thatreplaces the dollar, which she
might not be that far off themark.
I mean that's kind of I meanshe's characterizing that in, I
think, a ridiculous way.
But no stable coins.
Another thing we've talkedabout that.
(08:32):
That's kind of a Trojan horse.
You can get rid of so-calledCBDC, but if you use the FedNow
system and the backbone thatthey've already built and you
use something else, oh, thismirrors the dollar and it's
electronic and it's blockchain.
You have to watch out for allthat.
And we're not through the woodsyet on CBDC.
That's right, I didn't think so.
(08:53):
I mean, trump said that inNashville at the Bitcoin
conference that there's nevergoing to be a CBDC.
It just won't be called that.
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It'll be called something else.
This is the flip side of thepublic-private partnerships that
you get.
You know, when you get adifferent administration as
opposed to Biden, it's adifferent strategy, but the same
result.
And what bothers me is theeconomic crisis that will be
needed they're getting.
You know it's kind of likeProject for a New American
(10:22):
Century.
You know it's kind of likeProject for a New American
Century.
You know they came out inSeptember of 2000 with Bill
Kristol and others.
You know that think tank.
They needed a Pearl Harborstyle event to usher in a rogue
state rollback.
And all this seven countries infive years.
So you're setting the stagehere for something.
I think that's.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
You know it's going to be an economic crisis that
will lay the groundwork for alot of things if we're not
careful, and I think a big partof this.
You go back and look at CurtisYarvin and these other people as
I talked about last couple ofdays.
He had war game.
Here's what Trump needs to do.
You know they need tocompletely.
America needs to get over itsfear of dictators and we really
need a dictator, because that'sthe only way that we're going to
get what we want.
You know, and a lot of theseformer libertarians said, yeah,
(11:14):
you know, we're going to have tohave a dictator to get us to a
state of liberty.
You know, talk about cognitivedissonance there.
You know how do you get rid ofthat guy right Once you put him
in there.
But you know that's whatthey're talking about and how
Trump need to be a dictator, andso when he creates chaos, when
he creates destruction, thatmakes a case for him being a
dictator, makes a case foreverything that the government
(11:37):
wants to do.
And when you look at whatMaxine Waters is saying, I think
she's on to something in asense.
I don't think and I talked aboutthis as well the world liberty
thing that the Trump family hasset up.
They're going to make about ahalf a trillion half a trillion,
I think, it was, no half abillion they've made off of this
(11:57):
and it is just right off thebat, but they got the potential
for a lot more.
I think primarily thisso-called DeFi thing of world
liberty.
It's not decentralized, it'svery centralized.
It's under the control of theTrump family, but I think that
they're going to use this aspayola, because people can make
anonymous.
You know, jump into thisanonymously and you know that's
(12:20):
a great way to launder the moneyfor what he's doing.
But I think that there certainlyis going to be a stable coin
and, as we've talked about thisbefore, stable coins that are
dollar-based are going to be away to handle the problems
they've gotten as to who's goingto buy our worthless bonds from
the treasury.
Well, we can have the stablecoin.
(12:41):
People buy.
They don't want to have asituation where they can't sell
these bonds.
We can have the stable coin.
People buy it.
They don't want to have asituation where they can't sell
these bonds.
So all of this stuff, all thiscrypto stuff, plays perfectly
into what the techno brats wantand what Trump wants with making
money, and all this chaos feedsinto that as well.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
It seems like that's what.
There's a lot of open questionshere.
For me, something I study thisevery single day and you had
Larry Fink, head of BlackRock,came out a few months ago.
Well, not even that, it's onlybeen like a month and a half ago
.
He's at Davos and he said thatBitcoin was going to $700,000.
And BlackRock they get theirreturn.
It's something I said inJanuary of 2024, when Bitcoin
(13:29):
was trading at $30,000 or so,and I said look, blackrock's
launched this ETF.
It was the biggest ETF inhistory.
They're still accumulating.
There's still net inflows intothose ETFs.
However, gold has caught them, Ithink, by surprise.
It's hard to say.
I don't think there's amonolithic structure base here.
I think there's a lot of chaosgoing on.
I think there's a controlleddemolition of the dollar going
on.
Somehow this is part of thegame.
(13:50):
But I think you have differentfactions here because, on one
hand, bitcoin has not stood upto this chaos and uncertainty.
It mirrors the market very much, in the sense that if the
market is scared, if the marketis on the run, if the market's
in a sell-off, in a bearish mode, bitcoin follows.
Right now it's down from.
It was $86,000 and some changes$82,000 this morning and, of
(14:13):
course, that's off of $108,000on Inauguration Day on January
20th.
So the crypto space hasn'tweathered very well.
Crypto space hasn't weatheredvery well, but gold like we
talked about this before theelection, gold and silver took a
massive hit after Trump wasselected and going into
(14:34):
Inauguration Day, and then nowit's reversed, the roles are
reversed.
Even with all the strategicBitcoin reserve and all the
stuff that's been deregulated oncrypto and a new SEC chairman,
all that stuff, everything'sstill down, and that's because
so much of this is tied to themarkets.
And so this, to me, is signalingsomething else, and as I watch
it, I'm cautious not to makepredictions, because even I'm a
(14:59):
little stumped on this.
I think what we are watching isthe death of the dollar.
Little stumped on this, I thinkwhat we are watching is the
death of the dollar.
But the question mark hangingover is is this an intentional
strategy to tank it?
Because what you're looking atis weaker dollar, no matter what
.
If Powell steps in and lowersrates, you're looking at a
further loss of purchasing poweragainst gold.
The world continues to dump thedollar and, of course, if it
(15:23):
goes to something like ahyperinflation or a crash,
that's where you can usher inthe CBDC through public-private
partnership, staple coin stuff.
So it's hard to say exactlywhat's going on.
None of this is good, to put itthat way.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I think it's going to go in adirection that's going to make
money for Trump and his friends,and I think a lot of people are
starting to see that.
I think it was a real tell whenyou know the things that he's
done with crypto first of all,the Trump coin, the Melania coin
, being connected to the samecompany that was being
investigated for what was donein Argentina and all the rest of
(15:59):
this stuff.
So that was one data point.
Then, when he comes out andstarts talking about the Bitcoin
Reserve and he starts talkingabout other coins that aren't
Bitcoin, that haven't been usedas an asset They've been used as
setting up smart contracts andused as clearing payments and
things like that so peoplestarted wait a minute, what is
this really about?
(16:19):
And I think that has shaken alot of people's confidence in
what Bitcoin was truly about.
And, of course, roger Ver in hisbook, talking about the
hijacking of Bitcoin, he saidhey, it was set up for
transactions.
Now these people have turned itinto a, hijacked it and turned
it into a, an appreciating asset, and it's not really clear how
that's going to work out.
(16:40):
We do know that gold is anappreciating asset and I guess
maybe with Trump's actions, aswell as some of this other stuff
, some people are starting tohave second thoughts about it,
especially when you seeBlackRock come in with the ETF.
As we pointed out, it's one ofthe most ridiculous things.
There's absolutely no reason tofractionalize that.
It is no more liquid, no moreeasy to do a transaction with a
(17:05):
Bitcoin ETF than it is a Bitcoinitself.
It made no sense at all.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
No for people that there's a deficit there.
They don't understand how tobuy Bitcoin, how to hold Bitcoin
.
There's a huge.
That's where all the money is.
You know was it Babyface Nelsonasked back in the 30s why do
you rob banks?
That's where the money is.
That's where the BlackRock wentto the boomers and they went to
people that don't know how toset up wallets or don't want to
touch Bitcoin or whatever.
(17:30):
That's the majority of wherethe money is held in the United
States.
So that's what they went to.
Unfortunately, that gives themleverage and, I think, undue
influence on the Bitcoin network, so be it.
I I think undue influence onthe Bitcoin network, so be it.
I mean Bitcoin's an opennetwork.
It's anybody can get involved.
So even if you know giantbankster consortiums can do it
(17:51):
and I thought it would push theprice up.
But you're right, it was meantto be something else than what
it's become.
It's still the only real crypto.
It's the only crypto that Ideal in.
Not that there's anything wrongwith some of the other coins,
but it's only crypto that I dealin with my business and I'm
(18:12):
look.
Uh, there was a tweet that wasput out the other day.
Um, I was on your show andkatherine austin fitz replied to
me and said you know bitcoin'sa scam, tony, sorry, and she may
be right.
Uh, I may be wrong.
Um, I know that it's changedthe minds of millions and
millions and millions of people.
I don't think it's getting themprepped for CBDC.
I think a lot of younger peoplelooked at Bitcoin and they
never looked at the fiat systembefore, and now they're
(18:34):
skeptical of fiat currency andcentral banking and everything.
I think that's a good thing.
You can't reverse that.
The educational process ofBitcoin has been, I think,
tremendous for the world, sowe'll see.
But definitely it has not heldup, even as a store of value,
against this uncertainty.
(18:54):
It has not done that and it'snot doing what a lot of the
Bitcoin maximalists believe wasgoing to happen.
I don't think that's nothappening anytime soon Because
we're entering in you know thisis a you talk about all the time
fourth turning.
Institutions are rolling overand now that we have the BRICS
nations again, I'm going to keepsaying that the BRICS, they're
(19:15):
unifying more and more, gettingstronger and stronger.
We are getting weaker and ouralliances are being scuttled
just willy-nilly, and so there'sa lot of uncertainty out there.
It's definitely reflecting inthe markets.
I think we've only just begunto see what gold can do.
(19:35):
David and I haven't beensomebody that's doing a lot of
price predictions because I'vebeen wrong.
I've actually been a littlebearish.
I didn't think we'd see $3,100an ounce in the last five months
.
I wouldn't have predicted that.
But I will say I think silveranother part of this equation.
Governments are quietly addingsilver to their balance sheets.
(19:59):
The Russians have done that,the Chinese, others, they're
quietly adding that, I thinkeven the United States, and I
think that this is somethingthat we have to watch silver
very closely too.
I think it's about to break outof its current gold-silver
ratio.
That's absolutely ridiculousand has no basis in history, and
you remember, the all-time highof silver is $52.50, and now
(20:22):
it's a 1980.
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That's since 1980, so 45 yearsago.
We're going to see.
I think silver is going tobreak out soon.
A lot of these commoditiescopper is at an all-time high,
by the way, copper and goldtogether, these mining stocks
are up.
The world is lurching towardscommodities and real limited
(21:44):
assets and in a world of fiatsoaked in debt and the rest with
so much uncertainty, I thinkwe're just.
This is the opening salvo ofthe great reset.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, you're right, and when we talk about people
moving to real assets, I think alot of people just haven't
gotten the memo that we were allserved in 2007, 2008,.
Because there's nothing morereal than real estate.
Right, and look at what theywere able to do with ETFs.
And yet where do we see peoplegoing?
Now we see people.
You know part of the story thislast week about the big
(22:18):
increase in the price of gold.
They said massive inflows intothe gold, the paper gold, the
ETF gold, right, and so massiveinflow of money into paper gold.
Now these are people who havejust started paying attention, I
think, to gold.
They don't really understandwhat this is.
The gold ETFs don't make anymore sense than a Bitcoin ETF
(22:43):
and the people don't reallyrealize that it's not going to
track the price, the spot priceof gold, it's not going to go up
and down with it.
They don't really realize thatthey don't really own any gold
with that and I think that's thebig memo that needs to be
gotten out.
The Financial Times sayinginvestors flock to gold funds as
fears over the Trump TerraceMount.
(23:03):
Well, it's actually more like afun house right Of mirrors,
because you don't really haveanything there.
It's very much like all thesesecuritized, tokenized things,
and I think, by the way, youknow, when we look at all this
digital stuff, I think that it'sthis tokenization that we
really got to watch out for.
They want to put everything ontokens all physical, real assets
(23:27):
, property that people own, allthat.
They want to tokenizeeverything and they come back
and they say well, it makes iteasier for us to trade, well, it
also makes it more volatile andit also means that you can lose
everything, and I think that'swhat these people are setting up
.
We already saw this happen inthe Great Recession, so I think
that's a big part of it thatneeds to get out.
(23:48):
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things like that, regardless ofthe assets that you get into.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Well, that's their way of control.
Yeah, and it takes somethingthat's real and limited and
finite and you know somethingthat has no counterparty risk,
and then you give itcounterparty risk.
That's how you have leverageover the financial system.
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to other dealers, I talked tothe trading houses.
I asked them are you seeing thesame thing?
They're inundated.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
So here's the question mark that hangs over
this let me ask you this beforeyou go for it what do you mean
when we say direct sales?
Speaker 5 (24:56):
you're making like a large purchase, as opposed like
somebody calling me and sayinghey, I want 25 000 in gold and
silver bullion.
You know, do a 50 50 mix.
Those used to do I.
You know it's not uncommon forme to get 50, 100 000 that.
You know.
You do these larger purchasesand those were frequent.
We don't see those anymore.
We see them, but they're notlike they were in the last.
(25:18):
I mean five, six years, david,I've been in business since 2018
and with wise wolf, and so I'veseen a lot, and this has never
happened before.
And what's happening Is wherepeople are selling to me because
of the economic conditions.
They're raising capital, pricesare up.
Well, the that begs thequestion, though, if you haven't
, if the public is, is sellingoff, but prices continue to rise
(25:44):
.
Somebody's buying, and I'mlooking at the flow and I'm
asking even the larger tradingpeople, and these are
institutions.
So if you're buying right nowbecause you can afford it,
you're right.
I mean, you're matching thelarge capital.
You're matching those who haveintelligence, and I'm not
(26:04):
talking about like I'm nottalking about cognitive ability,
I'm talking about they haveintelligence and simulations
that they're running all thetime through these.
You know think tanks andthey're they're watching the
trends.
So if you're buying, you'reyou're actually mirroring what
the wealthiest of the wealthyare doing.
The average is selling offbecause, well, they might have
to.
Uh, based off of you know, theeconomic.
(26:26):
We're in a crazy economiccondition right now, with, with
inflation and everything that'shappened.
We have a very weak dollar and,uh, liquidity is limited.
So I understand that, butprices continue to rise as
people continue to sell.
So somebody's buying and, look,you know you mentioned earlier
about the ets and institutions.
All it's going to take and Ithink you're already starting to
(26:49):
see it billionaires starting tobuy physical gold and silver
for actual delivery.
It's going to change everythingand we're right on the cusp of
where that starts to happen.
David, I think it's always beenconvenient for them to buy GLD
(27:09):
or SLV or whatever.
Park it in some fund.
I don't think that's going tofly anymore.
I think they're going to askfor physical delivery and all
bets are off at that point.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
And you know I think that you know.
This article from FinancialTimes says central bank buying
has been the main driver of goldpurchases in recent years, but
the recent surge in gold ETFinflows highlights how fears
over the economy and stockmarkets have drawn.
I think that's the key.
I think you've got people whohave been investing in the stock
market Stock market has had areally bad beginning here of
(27:41):
this year and the Trumpadministration and so these are
people who are typically stocktraders and so they're going to
look at oh yeah, I can get goldas a stock, as an ETF and they
don't really understand what isthere, the issues behind it, and
it's an easy transaction forthem.
They're already working withtheir broker.
So I just sell this stock and Ibuy an ETF.
They aren't really thinkingabout that and I think that's
(28:04):
really what is happening with it.
But, as you pointed out, you'vegot gold bugs out there,
maximalists like Max Kaiser, maxthe maximalist he has been a
Bitcoin maximalist for a longtime.
Now he's out there talkingabout gold-backed crypto because
he can't get away from thecrypto mindset, right, can't get
away from the tokenizationmindset.
(28:25):
I mean, it's just Max, is justgold.
Don't complicate it Right andbut again, even he is now seeing
this as like well, maybe Iought to think about that.
I know a gold crypto, so Ithink that's.
There's kind of this mindsetwhere people have to move.
The people are owning stocks.
First thing they're going to dois they're going to go to the
(28:45):
gold ETFs.
They don't really understandwhat that is or whatever, but
they're going to do it becausethat's their mindset.
They're working with thatbroker or whatever.
And then I think the people whohave been working with the
crypto stuff Bitcoin, a lot ofthese maximalists like Max are
going to say, well, okay, whatcan we do with gold in a crypto
(29:05):
world?
They're looking at it from thatperspective.
But I think the key thing isthe fact that it is physical,
that it is outside of any ofthese systems, the stock market
system or the crypto system.
To me, that's its real,ultimate strength is that it is.
What makes it truly pricelessis the privacy aspect of it.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Well, that's true.
I mean no counterparty risk.
If you have physical gold andsilver and you get to a certain
amount, you're going to want tohave it stored somewhere, and if
you need to do that, give me acall.
I can point you in the rightdirection.
I don't do storage, but Idefinitely understand the need
for it at some level.
You're right about Max Keiserand others.
I think there's a lot of smartpeople in the space right now,
(29:52):
whether they're crypto orwhether they're precious metals
or kind of people like me whichare both, and I think nobody has
a clear picture of what'sactually going on.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
We really don't know.
Yeah, even the Germangovernment, the politicians in
Germany, are worried about thegold in their vaults in the US.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
What's going on with it?
It really is, I think, a signof the times.
It reminds me a lot of if youread the Guns of August by
Barbara Tuchman.
It's about the lead-up to WorldWar I.
They had so many war plansdrawn up, david, both sides, the
Germans and the French and theBritish.
They all worked on the Germansespecially.
They had something called theVon Schlieffen plan, you know,
(30:30):
and they're just alwaysconstantly updating their war
plans at the beginning of the20th century and of course, it
kicked off finally in in, uh,the summer of of 1914, and then
all those things were off thetable, nothing, I mean.
They had plans and plans on topof war plans and then
everything failed.
And I think we're all looking atthis.
We all know there's a tsunamiof debt, we're in a sea of
(30:51):
infinite fiat and it's debaseditself.
It really is truly disgustingif you look at the amount of
people that are going to bewiped out.
You know there's that greatscene from the big short with
Brad Pitt and he's talking tothe two kids that figure.
They've.
They've stumbled upon this.
You know what was going tohappen in 08 with the housing
(31:12):
crisis and and they're all proudof themselves.
He said you people, you realizepeople are going to die.
You know like this is going toaffect when a certain market
conditions and downturns, likethere's a certain amount of
deaths that follow, there'sthere's poverty, there's misery
and the average person is goingto get caught off guard.
(31:32):
So none of us really have aclear picture, but I do know.
Watching the dollar losepurchasing power against gold,
watching now we're starting acurrency and trade war together,
watching all of this going backto our original argument is
being outside the system is moreimportant than ever.
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be as far away fromcounterparty risk as possible.
You mentioned real estate.
Real estate's overpriced.
We're in a giant bubble withthat as well.
I don't think, and this ismaybe you know and who can buy
(33:13):
the real estate?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Well, no, who can buy it?
Blackrock can buy the realestate.
Right, that's been the plan.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
They just create money out of thin air and, of
course, they buy it.
It's all fake, it's all.
It's all.
It's all fake, it's all basedoff fake.
I don't think that we're in abubble for precious metals.
I don't think that true pricehas been reflected in our
current markets and people cansay, well, tell you it's an all
time high, I don't buy it.
I don't think that.
I think there's so muchmanipulation that's going on in
(33:42):
the last 50 years, especially inthe last 20.
I think that we're just at thebeginning of an absolute tsunami
of revaluation across the board.
Precious metals are justgetting started and this is
going to be mirroring andreflecting where we are.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
If you go back and you look at it.
I've been talking about thewritings of Curtis Yarvin, who
basically is idolized by PeterThiel.
I mean, they look to this guyfor ideas and they echo what he
has to say.
They're talking aboutaccelerationism.
They're talking aboutaccelerating and intensifying
the chaos so that they can burneverything down.
(34:25):
They're just like the WorldEconomic Forum.
They want to destroy everythingso they can build it back
better.
So they can build it back withthemselves owning everything and
in control of everything.
And so this is what everybodywho seems to be in power,
regardless of what theirpolitical philosophy is or what
they would like to build back,they all want to burn it all
down right now, and that's thekey thing.
(34:46):
That's why we've got to get outof that system as much as we
can, and even to the extent thateverybody is starting to see
how we're on the verge of acollapse.
As you point out, world War Ieverybody was making plans
because they could see the warwas coming.
Well, everybody's making plans.
Now You've got these Germanpoliticians saying wait a minute
, should we have that much ofour gold in New York and in
(35:07):
America?
Maybe we should repatriate that?
And everybody's kind ofcircling the wagons and, you
know, putting up barriers tothings and prepping for a storm
that is coming.
They all see the storm iscoming and we need to do that as
individuals, because thesepeople aren't going to do
anything for you.
It's all for them.
They're going to leave you todie.
(35:28):
This is like the Cold War againthe plan to save themselves and
let everybody else die.
This is continuity ofgovernment that we're talking
about here and that's theirattitude.
They're not going to do a thingfor you, and so you need to
make preparations and prep andthings like that, and a big part
of that is going to be havingsomething that is outside their
financial system, that has valueand it's going to have even
(35:50):
more value.
After all, their schemes havebasically blown up the pump and
dumps after they've pumped itand dumped it.
You don't want to be a part ofthat.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Yeah, when they're done with it, you can have it.
That's really what we're seeing.
When they're done with themarkets, when they're done with
it, you can have it.
That's really what we're seeing.
When they're done with themarkets, when they're done with
their schemes, you can havewhat's left in the crumbs at the
table and you know.
If you just you have to look atwhat history teaches us you
know whether it's a fiat scheme,you know whether it's a Ponzi
scheme.
Whatever it is, it always comescrashing down.
(36:23):
You know, and you look athistory with, the French had
this with and it's a blurb inhistory, but it's John Law.
Have you ever read the historyof that?
It's.
You know, mid 1700s, david theFrench.
This is a Scotsman named JohnLaw.
He gets close to the French Kingand he says you know they're
having some economic problems inFrance.
(36:44):
He said well, look, I've gotthis strategy.
You basically just print, youknow these notes direct from the
treasury and you know there wasthis economic boom and then he
went and sold.
You know the Louisiana Purchasearea, you know all that stuff
that the French held for a longtime and he sold off shares in
that and they just keptinflating the shares and there
(37:05):
was economic prosperity for awhile.
A lot of people got on paper,got really rich and then, all of
a sudden, you know, somebodysaid, well, I go to call in and
turn in these notes, I need somegold.
And then a few others did thatand then there wasn't any gold
and there wasn't anything toback up the notes that they had
printed and the entire thingcollapsed in on itself, like you
(37:28):
know, like a dying star andeverybody you know.
There were so many people thatgot wiped out, like it was an
absolute economic disaster.
That's what happens with fiatcurrency.
It's just that this has been ona much larger scale.
You know, a lot of people lookat 1971.
They'll say, well, well, we've,you know, since 71, we have, um
, we've lost.
(37:48):
We've lost, certainly, if youbelieve, in the space race, we
haven't gone back to the moon,we haven't done this or that.
We have lost so much footing inthe engineering aspects and
other technological advances.
We didn't stay on par.
What happened?
Well, we left exactitude, weleft the gold standard or what,
the semblance of any kind offiscal sanity.
(38:10):
You have, you know, trillionsthat have been printed off the
books, you know, to fund thedeep state and other things, and
things that shouldn't exist.
We live in a funhouse mirrorversion of what an economy is
supposed to look like, and sonone of that is sustainable.
I think that it has a directcorrelation with the fiat system
(38:31):
, with corruption, and so we'rewatching this, isn't?
This is going to play out?
You first of all.
You know we talk about tariffs.
You can't fix the tradeimbalances unless you fix the,
the monetary imbalances.
That's right.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
That's right, and he doesn't mention that yeah, yeah,
he's not going to bringmanufacturing back as long as
he's got all these regulationsand taxes, but he's really
looking at lowering the taxesthat you see while raising the
taxes that you don't see.
It's all just a shell game.
You were talking earlier aboutIntel and saying it wasn't
intelligence.
(39:04):
As you talk about john law andall the rest of the stuff,
remember that um isaac newtonlost a lot of money and I don't
know if an east india thing ortulip bulb circle thing or the
tulip uh bulb thing, uh, or bothof them, I don't know.
But you know, here this is aguy who was no intellectual
slouch.
He created calculus and physicsthat people have used for the
(39:26):
most part.
Newtonian physics is the basisof most of the real stuff that
we do, but you know he gotsnookered by this and so it's
not about intelligence, but it'sabout intel and it's about
looking at what the people whoare manipulating the market are
doing.
And you're right, you need totake a look at the central banks
(39:49):
.
There's this disconnect nowbetween what people at the
retail level are doing and whatthe central banks are doing, and
just watch the people who aregoing to be the manipulators.
You know, trade stocks thatPelosi trades.
Follow Pelosi, follow thecentral banks if you've got the
money and of course we'regetting into difficult times,
but you know, if you got themoney, that's what.
(40:10):
The way you need to invest itis by following the manipulators
out there.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Well, that's one way to do it.
You watch the, you know, followthe, follow the corruption.
You follow the profit, you knowfollow the who, who who enriches
themselves in this currentsystem, and even they will be
affected.
I mean I don't think you'll beable to hide from what's coming.
I mean, even like, look at, thetrillions were just wiped out
in an instant.
Think about a lot of thosepeople if they just, you know,
(40:38):
six months ago, traded in those401ks or IRAs and said I want
physical gold, yeah, physicalsilver, yeah, and put it in a
third-party vault.
You know I sleep pretty good atnight knowing that I put people
, because, first of all, if youcall me, I don't put you in like
collectibles and other things.
I mean we're just going to putyou in the best bullion that we
(41:03):
can.
That's acceptable by IRAs.
But I've looked at, you know,some of the charts and things,
the deals that we've done forpeople, and I'm thinking I've
looked at some of the charts andthe deals that we've done for
people and I'm thinking I'vedone pretty good for them.
Look at the prices.
I mean, if you're just goingoff, spot price everybody's
doing okay.
So if you look at gold too, atthe end of the 20th century,
david, it was less than $300 anounce.
About the time I was going inthe army less than $300 an ounce
(41:27):
.
Juxtapose that to the stockmarket today.
If you just startedaccumulating physical gold or
even physical silver at the sametime, and then put that against
where the market is today,which one are you better off in?
Are you better off being yourown bank and holding without
counterparty risk, or are youbetter off holding paper fang
(41:49):
stocks?
Well, jim kramer would tell you, give you some metrics about
how it's up and blah blah.
Gold is three thousand dollarsan ounce, you know.
Give or take.
Uh, okay, it's 10 times.
Yeah, so that's just physical.
You didn't even have to doanything.
You don't have to do a lot ofanalytical research, you don't
have to worry about who thewho's on the board you don't
(42:09):
even have to polish it everyone.
Yeah, it's not, it's not enron.
You don't worry about worldcomgoing out, leman brothers or
anything, you just hold it inyour hand.
And so I mean it's really, it'sfunny because you know, the
deeper you get into thefinancial system, you think that
these people are geniuses.
You missed mentioned IsaacNewton and, and there's been a
(42:30):
lot of smart people that gobroke.
I mean Thomas Jefferson, who Ilove, I mean I admire so much,
and I he's one of my heroes.
It's terrible with money.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Oh, yeah, terrible.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
I'm not.
I'm not smart like him, but Ido a pretty I.
I'm not smart like him, but Ido a pretty good job when it
comes to knowing what, like themonetary system.
There's something I see in that.
You know, in the way that youknow I don't think he saw it
that way and you know he died.
Was it millions?
It was like a million dollarsin debt, I think at the time.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Well, you know, he had the things that he loved.
He didn't love money that much.
He had all these books, which,in those days, collecting books
is almost like collecting carstoday, you know.
And then when they burned downthe Library of Congress, he
donated his book collection tothem.
You know he's not looking tomake a buck.
You know that was one thingabout the founders.
(43:22):
They were not there, like Trump, in order to feather their nest
to become multi-billionaires.
They were not about that at all.
And so, you know, in a sense Iunderstand that I feel that way
myself.
I'm not interested in that, butI am interested in fighting
tyranny, especially in my life,and so I want to make sure that
I've got something that isn'tgoing to be spying on me.
(43:42):
You know your gold is not goingto be calling into the
Geospatial Intelligence Agencyand telling them what I'm doing
here, but your money is in everyother form.
Your dollar is going to bedoing that.
All of your stable coins aregoing to be doing that.
You name it.
Every one of these other thingsis going to be doing that,
except for your gold.
(44:03):
Your gold is not going toreport on you.
It's also not going to run awaywhen it gets a whistle from the
government to do so.
You know, when you getdeplatformed or they don't like
your opinions, they are notgoing to just be able to say,
yep, it's gone.
You know the wave of a pen.
So I think that's the key thing.
That's something we haven'tseen before.
(44:23):
You know, we've always seen thesituation.
We've all got the tales aboutpeople seeing big economic
unrest coming and you know theysell all their stocks and things
like put it into gold, and thenwhen the depression hits,
they're liquid and they can buya lot of stuff at far sell
prices.
Well, that's great if you seethat coming and if the timing
works out, because it's onething to see it coming, it's
(44:45):
another thing to see the timing.
But this is completelydifferent.
We've never had a situationwhere they've tried to control
every aspect of our life with adigital currency, and that's
what makes this time different.
Now we've seen the financialstuff and it's worked out great.
But even if it didn't work outgreat, it would still be a wise
(45:07):
thing to do, because we've neverseen this kind of threat to our
lives before like we do fromthe digital cash.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
I agree 1,000%.
And the climate is being primedfor that.
We have to be very careful.
Eternal vigilance is the priceof liberty.
That's what we have to continue.
Continue to strive tounderstand, uncover what's
happening.
I don't think people looking atthis through the lens of
economics, I think there'ssomething much deeper here.
Oh yeah, you know and I don'tpretend to know everything when
(45:37):
it comes to this I just, I justknow that the monetary system
itself is imploding and, uh, I,faster than I, I thought
possible, david, I, I didn'tthink.
I didn't think I'd see this,but we are watching and it's
going to be interesting, livingin interesting times, as we
always say every Thursday.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Yeah, it really is.
Yeah, you look at all thisstuff and I remember a few years
ago going to a big car show inAustin and I went around
interviewing people and did areport on it.
And I would ask them.
I said so you realize that theywant to get rid of all these
cars.
You know they had classic cars,they had customized cars and
all the rest of the stuff.
And then you realize that theywant to get rid of this.
(46:18):
You think it's going to happen.
Oh, yeah, it's going to happen.
Uh, but it's not going tohappen in my lifetime.
Now you would expect that it'sgoing to be a lot of elderly
people, retired people in the60s and 70s are saying, yeah, I
think it's 20, 30 years away.
But no, it was also people whowere in their teens, 18,
19-year-olds.
They're not going to get rid ofcars in my lifetime.
It's like, really Okay.
(46:39):
And now we see that even forthose of us in our 60s and 70s,
it's coming in our lifetime.
That's the way they'veaccelerated this stuff.
I thought it was interesting tosee how these people thought no
, that's some point in thefuture I don't have to worry
about that.
But now it's on all of us,regardless of our age, what
they're planning on doing withall this stuff.
But tell us a little bit aboutI'm sure, like I said before,
(47:00):
I'm sure you've been really,really busy there at Weisswolf.
You said that it's mainly beenpeople selling to you.
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (47:10):
I think that's the majority, and we've gotten some
good direct sales that peoplethat have been purchasing from
us, and we always have that.
And if you're doing that rightnow, good for you, because so is
the largest capital and holdersin the world when it comes to
precious metals, so you're donegood.
Yeah, we've seen a change thereand it is concerning to me
(47:32):
because I think that a lot ofpeople are going to miss out if
they're not.
You know, they think thatthere's going to be like a.
I've had people come, I'mwaiting for the downturn.
I don't know, I don't, I don't,I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
You have a cartoon of a skeleton covered in a spider
web saying I'm waiting for thedebt as the financial system is
collapsing.
You know.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
I just I think you might misunderstand if, if
you're waiting for something toturn down now at this point, I
think you might misunderstandthe monetary system and in a
complete collapse it might go tosomething, but then no one's
selling, so I don't know.
I think you know it'sdefinitely a good time to buy.
(48:12):
It really is.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
We never know what's going to happen.
I mean, you know, I was kind ofsurprised at how much it turned
down, as everybody got soenthused about Trump and his
crypto stuff.
But, as you and I talked about,the fundamentals had not
changed and so that certainlywas a buying opportunity.
I talked about that.
I said gold is on sale.
Remember that.
I love the commercial.
The commercial is like it's onsale.
You know, trump euphoria hasput gold on sale and now people
(48:37):
are starting to have some buyersregret when they look at what's
happening with Trump and what'shappening with the economy, and
so that's the reality.
The fundamentals didn't change.
There was a lot of hopium thatwas, uh, being snorted by people
for a while there and, uh,they're starting to have the.
This is like the morning after.
You know they got the hang ofthe trump hangover.
(48:58):
I guess it's starting to kickin, well as, uh, anything else
you want to tell us about?
What's going on at wise wolf?
Speaker 5 (49:04):
well, we've, uh, continued.
The membership program is isdoing great and we added Sigma
wolf, which is the $750 leveland I I made some changes in
there, starting at that level.
It's seven, 50, which you canmake one time.
But all the the stuff on wolfpack, you go to David nightgold,
if you go and hit that tab saysjoin with pack.
If you go and hit that tab thatsays Join Wolfpack, all of
(49:26):
those you can do one time.
Or you can do subscriptions andwe don't make it hard on you to
get in and out of that.
If you want to stop thesubscription, we don't, it's
easy.
My team is, like just ready topounce on an email.
We don't.
You know, let you languish orgive you $5,000, you know, are
you sure you want to?
We're just like silver or mix,so we can give all gold, all
(49:53):
silver or mix and then you knowwe'll fill it in the order you
know, based off of whatever webuy, whatever we're getting in
that week.
So that's something that Iadded to be a little bit more
competitive, because it was itjumped from 500 to a thousand.
So those are some ways, likeyou know, just doing a one-time
purchase through Wolfpack, ifyou can, even if you don't want
to set up on it.
That's a good way, because onthose invoices, I squeeze every
(50:19):
bit of value I can out of those,so that's a good way to do it.
I know not everybody has.
We did something that the othercompanies just don't do.
I mean, we care about regularfolks.
Not everybody has tens ofthousands of dollars to buy
precious metals, but you can goahead and I mean, if you're
stacking precious metals rightnow, you're being smart.
I mean because, again, thedollar is not going to hold up
(50:43):
against whatever all of this ishappening right now.
It's not going to do better.
The dollar is not going to bestronger two years from now.
Um, against commodities.
It's just not.
Yeah, so, um, something to lookfor there.
And I and I would add to that uh, you know we do, uh, broker
bitcoin.
That's fully operational now.
So you want to buy bitcoin?
(51:03):
Just let us know and we can setyou up with a wallet, do all
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It's a white glove service.
So, uh, we're doing that myself, and my brother is helping me.
We've been in the space since2016.
And we take Bitcoin as cash.
We don't charge fees.
You want to buy precious metalsfrom us, let us know.
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Speaker 4 (51:21):
We should get in contact with Max Kaiser.
If you want to get rid of yourBitcoin, you can switch it over
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gold.
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That's a key thing and I thinkit's key, as you pointed out.
You've got that larger level.
Maybe somebody doesn't have$750 a month that they want to
put into it, but if they want todo one-time purchase of $750,
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it's a great way to go.
Speaker 5 (51:45):
As you point out, gold, silver or mix, you know we
got 50 bucks a month.
I mean and that's the majorityof our members I mean, there's a
lone wolf.
That's the majority.
But we've got everything inbetween.
So just if you want to hit itone time, you can do that.
You can use Bitcoin.
I'm trying to make it as easyas possible to get in and out of
the fiat system.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
That's great and what I like about it I've said this
as well.
You know, when I was talkingabout the ETFs, I had somebody
with a question saying you know,so what should I do?
I don't have a lot of money toput in.
It's like well, you know, youcan get $50.
You can do it one time even,you know, at Tony's.
And what I like about it isthat you see that you can get
physical gold in a fraction ofan ounce gold and a fraction of
(52:28):
an ounce, and there's a lot ofways that it can go out there.
And the chiclet things and thegold paper notes that have the
gold, physical gold embeddedinto them and are woven in I
forget what that's called.
Speaker 9 (52:36):
Goldbacks yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
So you get goldbacks, you can get chiclet break off,
stuff like that, so a lot ofdifferent ways that you can buy
gold and you know, in a smalldollar amount, and so there's a
lot of different opportunitiesthere.
And that's one of the things Ilike about Wolfpack it
introduced me to some of thoseingenious ways of subdividing
physical gold.
So I really like what you do,tony.
(52:58):
I've worked with Tony for avery long time and I've been
very happy with what he has donefor us and with us.
So again, davideye Gold willtake you to Tony at Wise Wolf
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He's got a lot of ways to helpyou prep to get out of the
system, because the system iscoming after you.
That's really what's happening.
(53:19):
Thank you so much, tony.
Oh you got one more thing yougot a program following today
after my program.
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (53:25):
Yeah, come find me on .
I'll be on Rumble on theAmerica Unplugged channel and on
my ex Tony Arterburn.
We'll be live there for theArterburn radio transmission.
It's an hour and we're going tobe live.
We'll continue thisconversation over there too.
Good, that'll be great.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
All right.
Well, thank you, tony, andthank you for joining us and
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Tony is now is Tony Arterburn of Wise Wolf Gold and
he has set up David Knightgold.
I'll take you there and Iimagine Tony, as I said before,
is super busy right now becausegold is in all the headlines
like we've never seen it before,because they're seeing new
all-time highs and it benefitedyesterday.
It seems to be very comfortablein the $3,100 range, doesn't it
(01:28):
, tony?
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
It's great to be back , David.
Yes, if you look at the metrics, the dollar has lost 40% of its
purchasing power against goldin the last year alone.
Wow, these are historic times$3,100 an ounce gold and it
surpassed that.
It went into the mid-3,100s acouple days ago.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
And that's the key thing, even more important than
the price of gold versus dollar,and that is the purchasing
power of the dollar.
And if it goes down by 40%,that's really the true value of
the gold, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
That's right.
I mean, that's what I try toteach is that when you're
watching gold go up, it's notgetting more valuable.
It's the dollars losingpurchasing power against it
because it's a monetary metal.
And I think that's the key toall of this is the dollar is
losing its purchasing power,it's losing its reserve status
More and more, it's being dumpedby central banks around the
(02:26):
world.
And then you add, in this chaoswhich is this is from an
economic standpoint, david I,and it's funny.
I feel like you know one of the.
You see those uh shows from the70s or so where a kid gets
caught smoking cigarettes andthe the father would be like
well, here's have a whole packof cigarettes, you know so.
So he gets sick or something,and I feel like that's what I
(02:49):
wanted.
Tariffs.
You know, for the last 20 yearsI've been reading about economic
nationalism.
I was an outlier, I ran forCongress on this and you know I
looked at all the history of itand I, you know, give talks
about it and now that it'shappening, it's happening in
such a funhouse mirror versionof what I was talking about that
has nothing to do with.
This isn't going to goose theeconomy.
(03:10):
This isn't going to spur growthand we're certainly not setting
the conditions for companies tomove here.
So this is an entirelydifferent thing that we're
watching and at the same time,you see, I mean gold is a little
bit below $3,100 in outstaybecause there's profit taking.
I mean it was massive gains ingold and then everything else
(03:32):
the trillions that were wipedout from retirement plans just
in the last 48 hours isabsolutely stunning.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
That's right.
Yeah, trillions gone and andyou know it is um, as you said,
it's a circus and the ringmasteris Jekyll and Hyde.
We never know what he's goingto do at any moment.
And with all the stuff that'shappening, the question is, with
all these differentdisturbances not just with
terrorist, but with everythingelse how many plates can Trump
keep spinning in this uh, threering circus to keep this stuff
(04:03):
going, going?
But it seems like there doesn'tseem to be any limit to that.
As soon as one of them fallsoff the pole, they start another
one, and all the media seems tohelp him, both the opposition
media as well as the supportingmedia.
They help him to distractpeople to something else, and so
a lot of people have said thatthey believe that Trump is
deliberately trying to create arecession because he'd like to
(04:26):
see interest rates lowered.
You think that's.
I mean we can only guess at hismotives, but I mean that that
certainly.
I don't know if they'll lowerthe interest rates, but it
certainly is looking likerecession.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Well, they're going to have to do something cause
such a massive downturn because,again, the other economic
conditions and the time framefor companies to move here and
employ people and buildinfrastructure and make
investments they didn't makethose conditions possible.
They're just punishing theimports and the folks that are
doing business as usual.
(04:58):
So nothing changed there, it'sjust this is going to throw a
wrench in all of the moneyvelocity and things that were
going on, the liquidity itself,so that the Fed will be forced
to do something.
It'll have to lower rates.
You have a 1929 situation onyour hands and I think anybody
can see that.
That's not I don't think that'slost on the central planners
(05:21):
the issue that we're caught inthe middle of this.
And if you look at the BRICSnations, they're unifying.
We talked about it last time Iwas on the show.
They're building cross-borderpayment systems, which I've been
talking about, using gold andother commodities as stabilizing
value as the dollar losesmarket share and meanwhile we're
(05:41):
isolating our trade partnersand people in our own hemisphere
.
I mean, canada is ridiculous andI know that.
You know you can throw out.
You know Canada has like 230percent tariffs on dairy and
things like that andagricultural stuff.
But with NAFTA over the yearsand we've had pretty stable
trade on most things, you know,without too high of tariffs or
(06:05):
zero tariffs, so that's workedfor a long time.
It just doesn't make any sensewhat we're doing if you're
looking at it from an economicstandpoint.
But if you're looking at itfrom a chaos standpoint, you
want to get to a place where thecrisis will call for a
resetting of the financialframework.
Then this is how you do it andyou do it under this guise and,
(06:27):
of course, using this, you canblame others.
There's got to be someunderlying strategy in here that
has nothing to do with whatthey've been.
I mean Trump's right when hetalks about the era of tariffs
and I talked about that for youand it ended really in 1913.
That was when you get theFederal Reserve, the income tax
and you get the first real freetrade policies in the United
(06:51):
States with Woodrow Wilson, andit's been absolutely destructive
.
He's right about that.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Except he left out the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
He complained about the income tax, but he didn't
say anything about the FederalReserve Right.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
He created it there.
So, yeah, because he wants tobe able to have that kind of
impact as Powell.
As a matter of fact, he wantsPowell to take his orders so
that he can, he can do all that.
No, I think you go back and youlook at CBDC, that order that
Biden had in the spring of 2022.
And he wanted to.
He said to all the people youknow, here's four things I want
(07:25):
you to do.
One of them, one of the fourthey had to do the code for the
crypto.
They had to come up with amarketing angle.
Hey, we're going to save theplanet because, you know, we
don't have to do any mining.
We need law enforcement isgoing to force it on people, but
the first thing was completelyredesign the financial system.
Trump is doing the same thing.
He's just doing it in adifferent way and he's doing it
(07:46):
in a more effective way becausepeople, biden just does it by.
You know, here I'm going to banthis.
I'm going to force you to dothis, and here's my order to do
this With a lot of the stuffthat Trump is doing.
Yes, he's done a lot ofexecutive orders, but a lot of
the stuff that he's doing isvery subtle.
In the same way that he'scoming up with a private digital
currency, he's also coming upwith a different way to
completely reset the financialsystem for that private digital
(08:09):
currency.
I think.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
There's an article up on Zero Hedge.
Maxine Waters was, of allpeople, saying Trump's going to
create his own coin.
It's going to be his coin thatreplaces the dollar, which she
might not be that far off themark.
I mean that's kind of I meanshe's characterizing that in, I
think, a ridiculous way.
But no stable coins.
Another thing we've talkedabout that.
(08:32):
That's kind of a Trojan horse.
You can get rid of so-calledCBDC, but if you use the FedNow
system and the backbone thatthey've already built and you
use something else, oh, thismirrors the dollar and it's
electronic and it's blockchain.
You have to watch out for allthat.
And we're not through the woodsyet on CBDC.
That's right, I didn't think so.
(08:53):
I mean, trump said that inNashville at the Bitcoin
conference that there's nevergoing to be a CBDC.
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It'll be called something else.
This is the flip side of thepublic-private partnerships that
you get.
You know, when you get adifferent administration as
opposed to Biden, it's adifferent strategy, but the same
result.
And what bothers me is theeconomic crisis that will be
needed they're getting.
You know it's kind of likeProject for a New American
(10:22):
Century.
You know it's kind of likeProject for a New American
Century.
You know they came out inSeptember of 2000 with Bill
Kristol and others.
You know that think tank.
They needed a Pearl Harborstyle event to usher in a rogue
state rollback.
And all this seven countries infive years.
So you're setting the stagehere for something.
I think that's.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
You know it's going to be an economic crisis that
will lay the groundwork for alot of things if we're not
careful, and I think a big partof this.
You go back and look at CurtisYarvin and these other people as
I talked about last couple ofdays.
He had war game.
Here's what Trump needs to do.
You know they need tocompletely.
America needs to get over itsfear of dictators and we really
need a dictator, because that'sthe only way that we're going to
get what we want.
You know, and a lot of theseformer libertarians said, yeah,
(11:14):
you know, we're going to have tohave a dictator to get us to a
state of liberty.
You know, talk about cognitivedissonance there.
You know how do you get rid ofthat guy right Once you put him
in there.
But you know that's whatthey're talking about and how
Trump need to be a dictator, andso when he creates chaos, when
he creates destruction, thatmakes a case for him being a
dictator, makes a case foreverything that the government
(11:37):
wants to do.
And when you look at whatMaxine Waters is saying, I think
she's on to something in asense.
I don't think and I talked aboutthis as well the world liberty
thing that the Trump family hasset up.
They're going to make about ahalf a trillion half a trillion,
I think, it was, no half abillion they've made off of this
(11:57):
and it is just right off thebat, but they got the potential
for a lot more.
I think primarily thisso-called DeFi thing of world
liberty.
It's not decentralized, it'svery centralized.
It's under the control of theTrump family, but I think that
they're going to use this aspayola, because people can make
anonymous.
You know, jump into thisanonymously and you know that's
(12:20):
a great way to launder the moneyfor what he's doing.
But I think that there certainlyis going to be a stable coin
and, as we've talked about thisbefore, stable coins that are
dollar-based are going to be away to handle the problems
they've gotten as to who's goingto buy our worthless bonds from
the treasury.
Well, we can have the stablecoin.
(12:41):
People buy.
They don't want to have asituation where they can't sell
these bonds.
We can have the stable coin.
People buy it.
They don't want to have asituation where they can't sell
these bonds.
So all of this stuff, all thiscrypto stuff, plays perfectly
into what the techno brats wantand what Trump wants with making
money, and all this chaos feedsinto that as well.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
It seems like that's what.
There's a lot of open questionshere.
For me, something I study thisevery single day and you had
Larry Fink, head of BlackRock,came out a few months ago.
Well, not even that, it's onlybeen like a month and a half ago
.
He's at Davos and he said thatBitcoin was going to $700,000.
And BlackRock they get theirreturn.
It's something I said inJanuary of 2024, when Bitcoin
(13:29):
was trading at $30,000 or so,and I said look, blackrock's
launched this ETF.
It was the biggest ETF inhistory.
They're still accumulating.
There's still net inflows intothose ETFs.
However, gold has caught them, Ithink, by surprise.
It's hard to say.
I don't think there's amonolithic structure base here.
I think there's a lot of chaosgoing on.
I think there's a controlleddemolition of the dollar going
on.
Somehow this is part of thegame.
(13:50):
But I think you have differentfactions here because, on one
hand, bitcoin has not stood upto this chaos and uncertainty.
It mirrors the market very much, in the sense that if the
market is scared, if the marketis on the run, if the market's
in a sell-off, in a bearish mode, bitcoin follows.
Right now it's down from.
It was $86,000 and some changes$82,000 this morning and, of
(14:13):
course, that's off of $108,000on Inauguration Day on January
20th.
So the crypto space hasn'tweathered very well.
Crypto space hasn't weatheredvery well, but gold like we
talked about this before theelection, gold and silver took a
massive hit after Trump wasselected and going into
(14:34):
Inauguration Day, and then nowit's reversed, the roles are
reversed.
Even with all the strategicBitcoin reserve and all the
stuff that's been deregulated oncrypto and a new SEC chairman,
all that stuff, everything'sstill down, and that's because
so much of this is tied to themarkets.
And so this, to me, is signalingsomething else, and as I watch
it, I'm cautious not to makepredictions, because even I'm a
(14:59):
little stumped on this.
I think what we are watching isthe death of the dollar.
Little stumped on this, I thinkwhat we are watching is the
death of the dollar.
But the question mark hangingover is is this an intentional
strategy to tank it?
Because what you're looking atis weaker dollar, no matter what
.
If Powell steps in and lowersrates, you're looking at a
further loss of purchasing poweragainst gold.
The world continues to dump thedollar and, of course, if it
(15:23):
goes to something like ahyperinflation or a crash,
that's where you can usher inthe CBDC through public-private
partnership, staple coin stuff.
So it's hard to say exactlywhat's going on.
None of this is good, to put itthat way.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I think it's going to go in adirection that's going to make
money for Trump and his friends,and I think a lot of people are
starting to see that.
I think it was a real tell whenyou know the things that he's
done with crypto first of all,the Trump coin, the Melania coin
, being connected to the samecompany that was being
investigated for what was donein Argentina and all the rest of
(15:59):
this stuff.
So that was one data point.
Then, when he comes out andstarts talking about the Bitcoin
Reserve and he starts talkingabout other coins that aren't
Bitcoin, that haven't been usedas an asset They've been used as
setting up smart contracts andused as clearing payments and
things like that so peoplestarted wait a minute, what is
this really about?
(16:19):
And I think that has shaken alot of people's confidence in
what Bitcoin was truly about.
And, of course, roger Ver in hisbook, talking about the
hijacking of Bitcoin, he saidhey, it was set up for
transactions.
Now these people have turned itinto a, hijacked it and turned
it into a, an appreciating asset, and it's not really clear how
that's going to work out.
(16:40):
We do know that gold is anappreciating asset and I guess
maybe with Trump's actions, aswell as some of this other stuff
, some people are starting tohave second thoughts about it,
especially when you seeBlackRock come in with the ETF.
As we pointed out, it's one ofthe most ridiculous things.
There's absolutely no reason tofractionalize that.
It is no more liquid, no moreeasy to do a transaction with a
(17:05):
Bitcoin ETF than it is a Bitcoinitself.
It made no sense at all.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
No for people that there's a deficit there.
They don't understand how tobuy Bitcoin, how to hold Bitcoin
.
There's a huge.
That's where all the money is.
You know was it Babyface Nelsonasked back in the 30s why do
you rob banks?
That's where the money is.
That's where the BlackRock wentto the boomers and they went to
people that don't know how toset up wallets or don't want to
touch Bitcoin or whatever.
(17:30):
That's the majority of wherethe money is held in the United
States.
So that's what they went to.
Unfortunately, that gives themleverage and, I think, undue
influence on the Bitcoin network, so be it.
I I think undue influence onthe Bitcoin network, so be it.
I mean Bitcoin's an opennetwork.
It's anybody can get involved.
So even if you know giantbankster consortiums can do it
(17:51):
and I thought it would push theprice up.
But you're right, it was meantto be something else than what
it's become.
It's still the only real crypto.
It's the only crypto that Ideal in.
Not that there's anything wrongwith some of the other coins,
but it's only crypto that I dealin with my business and I'm
(18:12):
look.
Uh, there was a tweet that wasput out the other day.
Um, I was on your show andkatherine austin fitz replied to
me and said you know bitcoin'sa scam, tony, sorry, and she may
be right.
Uh, I may be wrong.
Um, I know that it's changedthe minds of millions and
millions and millions of people.
I don't think it's getting themprepped for CBDC.
I think a lot of younger peoplelooked at Bitcoin and they
never looked at the fiat systembefore, and now they're
(18:34):
skeptical of fiat currency andcentral banking and everything.
I think that's a good thing.
You can't reverse that.
The educational process ofBitcoin has been, I think,
tremendous for the world, sowe'll see.
But definitely it has not heldup, even as a store of value,
against this uncertainty.
(18:54):
It has not done that and it'snot doing what a lot of the
Bitcoin maximalists believe wasgoing to happen.
I don't think that's nothappening anytime soon Because
we're entering in you know thisis a you talk about all the time
fourth turning.
Institutions are rolling overand now that we have the BRICS
nations again, I'm going to keepsaying that the BRICS, they're
(19:15):
unifying more and more, gettingstronger and stronger.
We are getting weaker and ouralliances are being scuttled
just willy-nilly, and so there'sa lot of uncertainty out there.
It's definitely reflecting inthe markets.
I think we've only just begunto see what gold can do.
(19:35):
David and I haven't beensomebody that's doing a lot of
price predictions because I'vebeen wrong.
I've actually been a littlebearish.
I didn't think we'd see $3,100an ounce in the last five months
.
I wouldn't have predicted that.
But I will say I think silveranother part of this equation.
Governments are quietly addingsilver to their balance sheets.
(19:59):
The Russians have done that,the Chinese, others, they're
quietly adding that, I thinkeven the United States, and I
think that this is somethingthat we have to watch silver
very closely too.
I think it's about to break outof its current gold-silver
ratio.
That's absolutely ridiculousand has no basis in history, and
you remember, the all-time highof silver is $52.50, and now
(20:22):
it's a 1980.
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That's since 1980, so 45 yearsago.
We're going to see.
I think silver is going tobreak out soon.
A lot of these commoditiescopper is at an all-time high,
by the way, copper and goldtogether, these mining stocks
are up.
The world is lurching towardscommodities and real limited
(21:44):
assets and in a world of fiatsoaked in debt and the rest with
so much uncertainty, I thinkwe're just.
This is the opening salvo ofthe great reset.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, you're right, and when we talk about people
moving to real assets, I think alot of people just haven't
gotten the memo that we were allserved in 2007, 2008,.
Because there's nothing morereal than real estate.
Right, and look at what theywere able to do with ETFs.
And yet where do we see peoplegoing?
Now we see people.
You know part of the story thislast week about the big
(22:18):
increase in the price of gold.
They said massive inflows intothe gold, the paper gold, the
ETF gold, right, and so massiveinflow of money into paper gold.
Now these are people who havejust started paying attention, I
think, to gold.
They don't really understandwhat this is.
The gold ETFs don't make anymore sense than a Bitcoin ETF
(22:43):
and the people don't reallyrealize that it's not going to
track the price, the spot priceof gold, it's not going to go up
and down with it.
They don't really realize thatthey don't really own any gold
with that and I think that's thebig memo that needs to be
gotten out.
The Financial Times sayinginvestors flock to gold funds as
fears over the Trump TerraceMount.
(23:03):
Well, it's actually more like afun house right Of mirrors,
because you don't really haveanything there.
It's very much like all thesesecuritized, tokenized things,
and I think, by the way, youknow, when we look at all this
digital stuff, I think that it'sthis tokenization that we
really got to watch out for.
They want to put everything ontokens all physical, real assets
(23:27):
, property that people own, allthat.
They want to tokenizeeverything and they come back
and they say well, it makes iteasier for us to trade, well, it
also makes it more volatile andit also means that you can lose
everything, and I think that'swhat these people are setting up
.
We already saw this happen inthe Great Recession, so I think
that's a big part of it thatneeds to get out.
(23:48):
There is this, you know watchout for the tokenization, watch
out for the securitization,watch out for these ETFs and
things like that, regardless ofthe assets that you get into.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Well, that's their way of control.
Yeah, and it takes somethingthat's real and limited and
finite and you know somethingthat has no counterparty risk,
and then you give itcounterparty risk.
That's how you have leverageover the financial system.
I think something isinteresting that I've never seen
before, and that is where mybusiness did a lot of inversions
(24:19):
in the last year.
I mean, it just completelyturned on its head.
Now we still have the smallerpurchases, have actually
increased, Wolfpack and some ofmy subscription stuff has
actually increased, but mydirect sales have gone down.
They've gone down to a placewhere it's almost alarming.
I don't want to use alarmingbecause on the flip side of that
(24:40):
, people are selling to me Nowin a market where and I talked
to other dealers, I talked tothe trading houses.
I asked them are you seeing thesame thing?
They're inundated.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
So here's the question mark that hangs over
this let me ask you this beforeyou go for it what do you mean
when we say direct sales?
Speaker 5 (24:56):
you're making like a large purchase, as opposed like
somebody calling me and sayinghey, I want 25 000 in gold and
silver bullion.
You know, do a 50 50 mix.
Those used to do I.
You know it's not uncommon forme to get 50, 100 000 that.
You know.
You do these larger purchasesand those were frequent.
We don't see those anymore.
We see them, but they're notlike they were in the last.
(25:18):
I mean five, six years, david,I've been in business since 2018
and with wise wolf, and so I'veseen a lot, and this has never
happened before.
And what's happening Is wherepeople are selling to me because
of the economic conditions.
They're raising capital, pricesare up.
Well, the that begs thequestion, though, if you haven't
, if the public is, is sellingoff, but prices continue to rise
(25:44):
.
Somebody's buying, and I'mlooking at the flow and I'm
asking even the larger tradingpeople, and these are
institutions.
So if you're buying right nowbecause you can afford it,
you're right.
I mean, you're matching thelarge capital.
You're matching those who haveintelligence, and I'm not
(26:04):
talking about like I'm nottalking about cognitive ability,
I'm talking about they haveintelligence and simulations
that they're running all thetime through these.
You know think tanks andthey're they're watching the
trends.
So if you're buying, you'reyou're actually mirroring what
the wealthiest of the wealthyare doing.
The average is selling offbecause, well, they might have
to.
Uh, based off of you know, theeconomic.
(26:26):
We're in a crazy economiccondition right now, with, with
inflation and everything that'shappened.
We have a very weak dollar and,uh, liquidity is limited.
So I understand that, butprices continue to rise as
people continue to sell.
So somebody's buying and, look,you know you mentioned earlier
about the ets and institutions.
All it's going to take and Ithink you're already starting to
(26:49):
see it billionaires starting tobuy physical gold and silver
for actual delivery.
It's going to change everythingand we're right on the cusp of
where that starts to happen.
David, I think it's always beenconvenient for them to buy GLD
(27:09):
or SLV or whatever.
Park it in some fund.
I don't think that's going tofly anymore.
I think they're going to askfor physical delivery and all
bets are off at that point.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
And you know I think that you know.
This article from FinancialTimes says central bank buying
has been the main driver of goldpurchases in recent years, but
the recent surge in gold ETFinflows highlights how fears
over the economy and stockmarkets have drawn.
I think that's the key.
I think you've got people whohave been investing in the stock
market Stock market has had areally bad beginning here of
(27:41):
this year and the Trumpadministration and so these are
people who are typically stocktraders and so they're going to
look at oh yeah, I can get goldas a stock, as an ETF and they
don't really understand what isthere, the issues behind it, and
it's an easy transaction forthem.
They're already working withtheir broker.
So I just sell this stock and Ibuy an ETF.
They aren't really thinkingabout that and I think that's
(28:04):
really what is happening with it.
But, as you pointed out, you'vegot gold bugs out there,
maximalists like Max Kaiser, maxthe maximalist he has been a
Bitcoin maximalist for a longtime.
Now he's out there talkingabout gold-backed crypto because
he can't get away from thecrypto mindset, right, can't get
away from the tokenizationmindset.
(28:25):
I mean, it's just Max, is justgold.
Don't complicate it Right andbut again, even he is now seeing
this as like well, maybe Iought to think about that.
I know a gold crypto, so Ithink that's.
There's kind of this mindsetwhere people have to move.
The people are owning stocks.
First thing they're going to dois they're going to go to the
(28:45):
gold ETFs.
They don't really understandwhat that is or whatever, but
they're going to do it becausethat's their mindset.
They're working with thatbroker or whatever.
And then I think the people whohave been working with the
crypto stuff Bitcoin, a lot ofthese maximalists like Max are
going to say, well, okay, whatcan we do with gold in a crypto
(29:05):
world?
They're looking at it from thatperspective.
But I think the key thing isthe fact that it is physical,
that it is outside of any ofthese systems, the stock market
system or the crypto system.
To me, that's its real,ultimate strength is that it is.
What makes it truly pricelessis the privacy aspect of it.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Well, that's true.
I mean no counterparty risk.
If you have physical gold andsilver and you get to a certain
amount, you're going to want tohave it stored somewhere, and if
you need to do that, give me acall.
I can point you in the rightdirection.
I don't do storage, but Idefinitely understand the need
for it at some level.
You're right about Max Keiserand others.
I think there's a lot of smartpeople in the space right now,
(29:52):
whether they're crypto orwhether they're precious metals
or kind of people like me whichare both, and I think nobody has
a clear picture of what'sactually going on.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
We really don't know.
Yeah, even the Germangovernment, the politicians in
Germany, are worried about thegold in their vaults in the US.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
What's going on with it?
It really is, I think, a signof the times.
It reminds me a lot of if youread the Guns of August by
Barbara Tuchman.
It's about the lead-up to WorldWar I.
They had so many war plansdrawn up, david, both sides, the
Germans and the French and theBritish.
They all worked on the Germansespecially.
They had something called theVon Schlieffen plan, you know,
(30:30):
and they're just alwaysconstantly updating their war
plans at the beginning of the20th century and of course, it
kicked off finally in in, uh,the summer of of 1914, and then
all those things were off thetable, nothing, I mean.
They had plans and plans on topof war plans and then
everything failed.
And I think we're all looking atthis.
We all know there's a tsunamiof debt, we're in a sea of
(30:51):
infinite fiat and it's debaseditself.
It really is truly disgustingif you look at the amount of
people that are going to bewiped out.
You know there's that greatscene from the big short with
Brad Pitt and he's talking tothe two kids that figure.
They've.
They've stumbled upon this.
You know what was going tohappen in 08 with the housing
(31:12):
crisis and and they're all proudof themselves.
He said you people, you realizepeople are going to die.
You know like this is going toaffect when a certain market
conditions and downturns, likethere's a certain amount of
deaths that follow, there'sthere's poverty, there's misery
and the average person is goingto get caught off guard.
(31:32):
So none of us really have aclear picture, but I do know.
Watching the dollar losepurchasing power against gold,
watching now we're starting acurrency and trade war together,
watching all of this going backto our original argument is
being outside the system is moreimportant than ever.
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This is all a representation ofenergy, and you want to have to
be as far away fromcounterparty risk as possible.
You mentioned real estate.
Real estate's overpriced.
We're in a giant bubble withthat as well.
I don't think, and this ismaybe you know and who can buy
(33:13):
the real estate?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Well, no, who can buy it?
Blackrock can buy the realestate.
Right, that's been the plan.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
They just create money out of thin air and, of
course, they buy it.
It's all fake, it's all.
It's all.
It's all fake, it's all basedoff fake.
I don't think that we're in abubble for precious metals.
I don't think that true pricehas been reflected in our
current markets and people cansay, well, tell you it's an all
time high, I don't buy it.
I don't think that.
I think there's so muchmanipulation that's going on in
(33:42):
the last 50 years, especially inthe last 20.
I think that we're just at thebeginning of an absolute tsunami
of revaluation across the board.
Precious metals are justgetting started and this is
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Speaker 4 (34:04):
If you go back and you look at it.
I've been talking about thewritings of Curtis Yarvin, who
basically is idolized by PeterThiel.
I mean, they look to this guyfor ideas and they echo what he
has to say.
They're talking aboutaccelerationism.
They're talking aboutaccelerating and intensifying
the chaos so that they can burneverything down.
(34:25):
They're just like the WorldEconomic Forum.
They want to destroy everythingso they can build it back
better.
So they can build it back withthemselves owning everything and
in control of everything.
And so this is what everybodywho seems to be in power,
regardless of what theirpolitical philosophy is or what
they would like to build back,they all want to burn it all
down right now, and that's thekey thing.
(34:46):
That's why we've got to get outof that system as much as we
can, and even to the extent thateverybody is starting to see
how we're on the verge of acollapse.
As you point out, world War Ieverybody was making plans
because they could see the warwas coming.
Well, everybody's making plans.
Now You've got these Germanpoliticians saying wait a minute
, should we have that much ofour gold in New York and in
(35:07):
America?
Maybe we should repatriate that?
And everybody's kind ofcircling the wagons and, you
know, putting up barriers tothings and prepping for a storm
that is coming.
They all see the storm iscoming and we need to do that as
individuals, because thesepeople aren't going to do
anything for you.
It's all for them.
They're going to leave you todie.
(35:28):
This is like the Cold War againthe plan to save themselves and
let everybody else die.
This is continuity ofgovernment that we're talking
about here and that's theirattitude.
They're not going to do a thingfor you, and so you need to
make preparations and prep andthings like that, and a big part
of that is going to be havingsomething that is outside their
financial system, that has valueand it's going to have even
(35:50):
more value.
After all, their schemes havebasically blown up the pump and
dumps after they've pumped itand dumped it.
You don't want to be a part ofthat.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Yeah, when they're done with it, you can have it.
That's really what we're seeing.
When they're done with themarkets, when they're done with
it, you can have it.
That's really what we're seeing.
When they're done with themarkets, when they're done with
their schemes, you can havewhat's left in the crumbs at the
table and you know.
If you just you have to look atwhat history teaches us you
know whether it's a fiat scheme,you know whether it's a Ponzi
scheme.
Whatever it is, it always comescrashing down.
(36:23):
You know, and you look athistory with, the French had
this with and it's a blurb inhistory, but it's John Law.
Have you ever read the historyof that?
It's.
You know, mid 1700s, david theFrench.
This is a Scotsman named JohnLaw.
He gets close to the French Kingand he says you know they're
having some economic problems inFrance.
(36:44):
He said well, look, I've gotthis strategy.
You basically just print, youknow these notes direct from the
treasury and you know there wasthis economic boom and then he
went and sold.
You know the Louisiana Purchasearea, you know all that stuff
that the French held for a longtime and he sold off shares in
that and they just keptinflating the shares and there
(37:05):
was economic prosperity for awhile.
A lot of people got on paper,got really rich and then, all of
a sudden, you know, somebodysaid, well, I go to call in and
turn in these notes, I need somegold.
And then a few others did thatand then there wasn't any gold
and there wasn't anything toback up the notes that they had
printed and the entire thingcollapsed in on itself, like you
(37:28):
know, like a dying star andeverybody you know.
There were so many people thatgot wiped out, like it was an
absolute economic disaster.
That's what happens with fiatcurrency.
It's just that this has been ona much larger scale.
You know, a lot of people lookat 1971.
They'll say, well, well, we've,you know, since 71, we have, um
, we've lost.
(37:48):
We've lost, certainly, if youbelieve, in the space race, we
haven't gone back to the moon,we haven't done this or that.
We have lost so much footing inthe engineering aspects and
other technological advances.
We didn't stay on par.
What happened?
Well, we left exactitude, weleft the gold standard or what,
the semblance of any kind offiscal sanity.
(38:10):
You have, you know, trillionsthat have been printed off the
books, you know, to fund thedeep state and other things, and
things that shouldn't exist.
We live in a funhouse mirrorversion of what an economy is
supposed to look like, and sonone of that is sustainable.
I think that it has a directcorrelation with the fiat system
(38:31):
, with corruption, and so we'rewatching this, isn't?
This is going to play out?
You first of all.
You know we talk about tariffs.
You can't fix the tradeimbalances unless you fix the,
the monetary imbalances.
That's right.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
That's right, and he doesn't mention that yeah, yeah,
he's not going to bringmanufacturing back as long as
he's got all these regulationsand taxes, but he's really
looking at lowering the taxesthat you see while raising the
taxes that you don't see.
It's all just a shell game.
You were talking earlier aboutIntel and saying it wasn't
intelligence.
(39:04):
As you talk about john law andall the rest of the stuff,
remember that um isaac newtonlost a lot of money and I don't
know if an east india thing ortulip bulb circle thing or the
tulip uh bulb thing, uh, or bothof them, I don't know.
But you know, here this is aguy who was no intellectual
slouch.
He created calculus and physicsthat people have used for the
(39:26):
most part.
Newtonian physics is the basisof most of the real stuff that
we do, but you know he gotsnookered by this and so it's
not about intelligence, but it'sabout intel and it's about
looking at what the people whoare manipulating the market are
doing.
And you're right, you need totake a look at the central banks
(39:49):
.
There's this disconnect nowbetween what people at the
retail level are doing and whatthe central banks are doing, and
just watch the people who aregoing to be the manipulators.
You know, trade stocks thatPelosi trades.
Follow Pelosi, follow thecentral banks if you've got the
money and of course we'regetting into difficult times,
but you know, if you got themoney, that's what.
(40:10):
The way you need to invest itis by following the manipulators
out there.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Well, that's one way to do it.
You watch the, you know, followthe, follow the corruption.
You follow the profit, you knowfollow the who, who who enriches
themselves in this currentsystem, and even they will be
affected.
I mean I don't think you'll beable to hide from what's coming.
I mean, even like, look at, thetrillions were just wiped out
in an instant.
Think about a lot of thosepeople if they just, you know,
(40:38):
six months ago, traded in those401ks or IRAs and said I want
physical gold, yeah, physicalsilver, yeah, and put it in a
third-party vault.
You know I sleep pretty good atnight knowing that I put people
, because, first of all, if youcall me, I don't put you in like
collectibles and other things.
I mean we're just going to putyou in the best bullion that we
(41:03):
can.
That's acceptable by IRAs.
But I've looked at, you know,some of the charts and things,
the deals that we've done forpeople, and I'm thinking I've
looked at some of the charts andthe deals that we've done for
people and I'm thinking I'vedone pretty good for them.
Look at the prices.
I mean, if you're just goingoff, spot price everybody's
doing okay.
So if you look at gold too, atthe end of the 20th century,
david, it was less than $300 anounce.
About the time I was going inthe army less than $300 an ounce
(41:27):
.
Juxtapose that to the stockmarket today.
If you just startedaccumulating physical gold or
even physical silver at the sametime, and then put that against
where the market is today,which one are you better off in?
Are you better off being yourown bank and holding without
counterparty risk, or are youbetter off holding paper fang
(41:49):
stocks?
Well, jim kramer would tell you, give you some metrics about
how it's up and blah blah.
Gold is three thousand dollarsan ounce, you know.
Give or take.
Uh, okay, it's 10 times.
Yeah, so that's just physical.
You didn't even have to doanything.
You don't have to do a lot ofanalytical research, you don't
have to worry about who thewho's on the board you don't
(42:09):
even have to polish it everyone.
Yeah, it's not, it's not enron.
You don't worry about worldcomgoing out, leman brothers or
anything, you just hold it inyour hand.
And so I mean it's really, it'sfunny because you know, the
deeper you get into thefinancial system, you think that
these people are geniuses.
You missed mentioned IsaacNewton and, and there's been a
(42:30):
lot of smart people that gobroke.
I mean Thomas Jefferson, who Ilove, I mean I admire so much,
and I he's one of my heroes.
It's terrible with money.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Oh, yeah, terrible.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
I'm not.
I'm not smart like him, but Ido a pretty I.
I'm not smart like him, but Ido a pretty good job when it
comes to knowing what, like themonetary system.
There's something I see in that.
You know, in the way that youknow I don't think he saw it
that way and you know he died.
Was it millions?
It was like a million dollarsin debt, I think at the time.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Well, you know, he had the things that he loved.
He didn't love money that much.
He had all these books, which,in those days, collecting books
is almost like collecting carstoday, you know.
And then when they burned downthe Library of Congress, he
donated his book collection tothem.
You know he's not looking tomake a buck.
You know that was one thingabout the founders.
(43:22):
They were not there, like Trump, in order to feather their nest
to become multi-billionaires.
They were not about that at all.
And so, you know, in a sense Iunderstand that I feel that way
myself.
I'm not interested in that, butI am interested in fighting
tyranny, especially in my life,and so I want to make sure that
I've got something that isn'tgoing to be spying on me.
(43:42):
You know your gold is not goingto be calling into the
Geospatial Intelligence Agencyand telling them what I'm doing
here, but your money is in everyother form.
Your dollar is going to bedoing that.
All of your stable coins aregoing to be doing that.
You name it.
Every one of these other thingsis going to be doing that,
except for your gold.
(44:03):
Your gold is not going toreport on you.
It's also not going to run awaywhen it gets a whistle from the
government to do so.
You know, when you getdeplatformed or they don't like
your opinions, they are notgoing to just be able to say,
yep, it's gone.
You know the wave of a pen.
So I think that's the key thing.
That's something we haven'tseen before.
(44:23):
You know, we've always seen thesituation.
We've all got the tales aboutpeople seeing big economic
unrest coming and you know theysell all their stocks and things
like put it into gold, and thenwhen the depression hits,
they're liquid and they can buya lot of stuff at far sell
prices.
Well, that's great if you seethat coming and if the timing
works out, because it's onething to see it coming, it's
(44:45):
another thing to see the timing.
But this is completelydifferent.
We've never had a situationwhere they've tried to control
every aspect of our life with adigital currency, and that's
what makes this time different.
Now we've seen the financialstuff and it's worked out great.
But even if it didn't work outgreat, it would still be a wise
(45:07):
thing to do, because we've neverseen this kind of threat to our
lives before like we do fromthe digital cash.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
I agree 1,000%.
And the climate is being primedfor that.
We have to be very careful.
Eternal vigilance is the priceof liberty.
That's what we have to continue.
Continue to strive tounderstand, uncover what's
happening.
I don't think people looking atthis through the lens of
economics, I think there'ssomething much deeper here.
Oh yeah, you know and I don'tpretend to know everything when
(45:37):
it comes to this I just, I justknow that the monetary system
itself is imploding and, uh, I,faster than I, I thought
possible, david, I, I didn'tthink.
I didn't think I'd see this,but we are watching and it's
going to be interesting, livingin interesting times, as we
always say every Thursday.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Yeah, it really is.
Yeah, you look at all thisstuff and I remember a few years
ago going to a big car show inAustin and I went around
interviewing people and did areport on it.
And I would ask them.
I said so you realize that theywant to get rid of all these
cars.
You know they had classic cars,they had customized cars and
all the rest of the stuff.
And then you realize that theywant to get rid of this.
(46:18):
You think it's going to happen.
Oh, yeah, it's going to happen.
Uh, but it's not going tohappen in my lifetime.
Now you would expect that it'sgoing to be a lot of elderly
people, retired people in the60s and 70s are saying, yeah, I
think it's 20, 30 years away.
But no, it was also people whowere in their teens, 18,
19-year-olds.
They're not going to get rid ofcars in my lifetime.
It's like, really Okay.
(46:39):
And now we see that even forthose of us in our 60s and 70s,
it's coming in our lifetime.
That's the way they'veaccelerated this stuff.
I thought it was interesting tosee how these people thought no
, that's some point in thefuture I don't have to worry
about that.
But now it's on all of us,regardless of our age, what
they're planning on doing withall this stuff.
But tell us a little bit aboutI'm sure, like I said before,
(47:00):
I'm sure you've been really,really busy there at Weisswolf.
You said that it's mainly beenpeople selling to you.
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (47:10):
I think that's the majority, and we've gotten some
good direct sales that peoplethat have been purchasing from
us, and we always have that.
And if you're doing that rightnow, good for you, because so is
the largest capital and holdersin the world when it comes to
precious metals, so you're donegood.
Yeah, we've seen a change thereand it is concerning to me
(47:32):
because I think that a lot ofpeople are going to miss out if
they're not.
You know, they think thatthere's going to be like a.
I've had people come, I'mwaiting for the downturn.
I don't know, I don't, I don't,I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
You have a cartoon of a skeleton covered in a spider
web saying I'm waiting for thedebt as the financial system is
collapsing.
You know.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
I just I think you might misunderstand if, if
you're waiting for something toturn down now at this point, I
think you might misunderstandthe monetary system and in a
complete collapse it might go tosomething, but then no one's
selling, so I don't know.
I think you know it'sdefinitely a good time to buy.
(48:12):
It really is.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
We never know what's going to happen.
I mean, you know, I was kind ofsurprised at how much it turned
down, as everybody got soenthused about Trump and his
crypto stuff.
But, as you and I talked about,the fundamentals had not
changed and so that certainlywas a buying opportunity.
I talked about that.
I said gold is on sale.
Remember that.
I love the commercial.
The commercial is like it's onsale.
You know, trump euphoria hasput gold on sale and now people
(48:37):
are starting to have some buyersregret when they look at what's
happening with Trump and what'shappening with the economy, and
so that's the reality.
The fundamentals didn't change.
There was a lot of hopium thatwas, uh, being snorted by people
for a while there and, uh,they're starting to have the.
This is like the morning after.
You know they got the hang ofthe trump hangover.
(48:58):
I guess it's starting to kickin, well as, uh, anything else
you want to tell us about?
What's going on at wise wolf?
Speaker 5 (49:04):
well, we've, uh, continued.
The membership program is isdoing great and we added Sigma
wolf, which is the $750 leveland I I made some changes in
there, starting at that level.
It's seven, 50, which you canmake one time.
But all the the stuff on wolfpack, you go to David nightgold,
if you go and hit that tab saysjoin with pack.
If you go and hit that tab thatsays Join Wolfpack, all of
(49:26):
those you can do one time.
Or you can do subscriptions andwe don't make it hard on you to
get in and out of that.
If you want to stop thesubscription, we don't, it's
easy.
My team is, like just ready topounce on an email.
We don't.
You know, let you languish orgive you $5,000, you know, are
you sure you want to?
We're just like silver or mix,so we can give all gold, all
(49:53):
silver or mix and then you knowwe'll fill it in the order you
know, based off of whatever webuy, whatever we're getting in
that week.
So that's something that Iadded to be a little bit more
competitive, because it was itjumped from 500 to a thousand.
So those are some ways, likeyou know, just doing a one-time
purchase through Wolfpack, ifyou can, even if you don't want
to set up on it.
That's a good way, because onthose invoices, I squeeze every
(50:19):
bit of value I can out of those,so that's a good way to do it.
I know not everybody has.
We did something that the othercompanies just don't do.
I mean, we care about regularfolks.
Not everybody has tens ofthousands of dollars to buy
precious metals, but you can goahead and I mean, if you're
stacking precious metals rightnow, you're being smart.
I mean because, again, thedollar is not going to hold up
(50:43):
against whatever all of this ishappening right now.
It's not going to do better.
The dollar is not going to bestronger two years from now.
Um, against commodities.
It's just not.
Yeah, so, um, something to lookfor there.
And I and I would add to that uh, you know we do, uh, broker
bitcoin.
That's fully operational now.
So you want to buy bitcoin?
(51:03):
Just let us know and we can setyou up with a wallet, do all
that.
It's a white glove service.
So, uh, we're doing that myself, and my brother is helping me.
We've been in the space since2016.
And we take Bitcoin as cash.
We don't charge fees.
You want to buy precious metalsfrom us, let us know.
You can do it on the Wolfpackside or you can go direct with
me.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
We should get in contact with Max Kaiser.
If you want to get rid of yourBitcoin, you can switch it over
into gold.
You don't have to worry aboutsomebody coming up with a crypto
gold.
You can do it right now atTony's.
That's a key thing and I thinkit's key, as you pointed out.
You've got that larger level.
Maybe somebody doesn't have$750 a month that they want to
put into it, but if they want todo one-time purchase of $750,
(51:45):
it's a great way to go.
Speaker 5 (51:45):
As you point out, gold, silver or mix, you know we
got 50 bucks a month.
I mean and that's the majorityof our members I mean, there's a
lone wolf.
That's the majority.
But we've got everything inbetween.
So just if you want to hit itone time, you can do that.
You can use Bitcoin.
I'm trying to make it as easyas possible to get in and out of
the fiat system.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
That's great and what I like about it I've said this
as well.
You know, when I was talkingabout the ETFs, I had somebody
with a question saying you know,so what should I do?
I don't have a lot of money toput in.
It's like well, you know, youcan get $50.
You can do it one time even,you know, at Tony's.
And what I like about it isthat you see that you can get
physical gold in a fraction ofan ounce gold and a fraction of
(52:28):
an ounce, and there's a lot ofways that it can go out there.
And the chiclet things and thegold paper notes that have the
gold, physical gold embeddedinto them and are woven in I
forget what that's called.
Speaker 9 (52:36):
Goldbacks yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
So you get goldbacks, you can get chiclet break off,
stuff like that, so a lot ofdifferent ways that you can buy
gold and you know, in a smalldollar amount, and so there's a
lot of different opportunitiesthere.
And that's one of the things Ilike about Wolfpack it
introduced me to some of thoseingenious ways of subdividing
physical gold.
So I really like what you do,tony.
(52:58):
I've worked with Tony for avery long time and I've been
very happy with what he has donefor us and with us.
So again, davideye Gold willtake you to Tony at Wise Wolf
Gold.
He's got a lot of ways to helpyou prep to get out of the
system, because the system iscoming after you.
That's really what's happening.
(53:19):
Thank you so much, tony.
Oh you got one more thing yougot a program following today
after my program.
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (53:25):
Yeah, come find me on .
I'll be on Rumble on theAmerica Unplugged channel and on
my ex Tony Arterburn.
We'll be live there for theArterburn radio transmission.
It's an hour and we're going tobe live.
We'll continue thisconversation over there too.
Good, that'll be great.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
All right.
Well, thank you, tony, andthank you for joining us and
thank you for your support.
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