February 22, 2024 • 44 mins
Tony Arterburn on what he saw (and said as a speaker) at the annual anarchy-capitalist and voluntarist conference in Acapulco, Mexico. And Tony takes AMA questions about gold, silver, and what's new at DavidKnight.gold
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
All right, joining us now is Tony Arderman and of
Wise Wolf Gold, of course.
Tony has set up DavidKnightgoal to let him to take
you to his website.
Let him know that you're comingthrough me.
Good to have Tony on, becauselast week he was in Mexico
speaking at a conference.
Thanks for joining us, tony.
Tell us a little bit about thatconference.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, thanks for having me back, david.
I had a great time.
It was Anarcapoco in Alcapoco,mexico, the dollar vigilante and
crypto vigilante crowd.
I sponsored the event.
I was the only gold sponsor andI got to speak on Crypto Day.
So I had 40 minutes onValentine's Day in the morning
to speak and it went really well.
(00:45):
You know these are people thatand again, the theme to the
dollar vigilante is survivingand thriving after the dollar
collapse, and that's been JeffBurwick who's the founder of
that.
That's been his mantra foryears and years, and now we're
really seeing, and that's what Ispoke about on Crypto Day.
I said you know, gold andcrypto and silver, precious
(01:06):
metals these go together becausethis is a we're creating a
parallel system.
You know, you have Gresham'slaw that states when bad money
enters a system, good money goesinto hiding, and I think that's
coming to fruition.
You know the good money'scoming out of hiding because the
bad money that enters thesystem is crashing the system
itself, and so that's what Ispoke about.
(01:26):
You know, everywhere you lookis de-dollarization, everywhere,
and it's accelerating.
I was looking at a story thismorning, just facts and figures,
you know.
You look at the Russian economyTwo years ago, only 1% of
financial transactions went onin the Chinese Yuan.
Now it's 34% and they'vecompletely abandoned the dollar.
(01:51):
When I opened up my talk inAnarcapoco, I said the first
thing I said was when I was 23years old, I got to see a
currency die in real time, apaper currency.
You know, in you knowVoltaire's Maxim, that all paper
currency eventually returns toits natural value state, which
is zero.
And that's looking at.
Something happened to the Iraqidenar, you know, and we were
(02:12):
told.
The first mission I had inMosul when the Iraqi Republican
guard fell was to go to the bankand there wasn't any other
orders other than try to findsome semblance of security,
because everybody's running outwith boxes of Iraqi denar with
Saddam Hussein's picture on them, but they were worthless,
nobody wanted them.
And I said now, now, think aboutthis, folks.
(02:32):
20 plus years later, I'mtalking to you and the Iraqi
parliament is making it illegalfor you to transact in dollars,
especially for major Iraqi banks.
They are abandoning the dollar.
And does that say because theonly currency that you could use
post US invasion in Iraq in2003, upwards till the last, you
(02:52):
know, a couple of years, wasAmerican dollars.
Yeah, yeah, think about how farthat, how far the US dollar,
has fallen in the last 20 plus20 plus years.
It's absolutely amazing.
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, I wonder you know how much one of the Iraqi
notes with Saddam Hussein'spicture on it is compared to
Confederate note with JeffersonDavis' picture on it.
What's the exchange rate forthose two currencies?
They've gone to zero, exceptfor, probably, the Confederate
currency the collector's item.
So you know it's got some valuefrom that standpoint.
But yeah, that's where italways goes.
(03:26):
But that truly is amazingbecause you know Iraq is really
still heavily influenced, withUS troops there and all the rest
of that stuff, but they don'twant to use the US dollar.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I think because of Iran's influence in the region.
Now they're Shia based in theirgovernance.
You know, Saddam Hussein wasSunni and, of course, the Sunni
triangle and the Sunni of theminority, and now the Shia are
the actual majority in Iraq.
And I think that's what'shappening is the long term
de-dollarization and waning USgeopolitical hegemony.
(04:02):
You could just it's showing itsface right there.
Yeah, that's really all youneed to know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And that's an important point too, when you're
talking about the Shias and theSunnis and of course, we also
got the Wahhabists and SaudiArabia.
Islam is not this monolithicthing.
It's got all these differentfactions and, just like
Christianity was in the MiddleAges, these different
denominations, if you will, ofIslam are politically connected,
you know.
(04:26):
They have a unification, justlike they did at the time in the
Middle Ages.
There was this, you know,connection politically as well
as with a church, and it wasreally the politics that was
more important than it was thereligious aspect.
And so that's where theseIslamic countries are right now,
and people think of them asmonolithic, but they're not and
they're fighting each other, notjust us.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh, absolutely non-monolithic.
Yeah, and it wasn't George WBush who said there's different
types of Muslims, like hecouldn't believe it, like that
it was actually I think it wasJoe Biden.
When he maybe a moment oflucidity or a talking point from
a think tank.
He said, yeah, I mean, this islike 20 plus years ago.
He's like, well, maybe Iraqshould be divided into three
parts, you know, the KurdishNorth, the Sunni triangle, the
(05:09):
middle and then the rest is Shia.
And I thought, well, that mightmake sense if someone I've
lived there for a year and I was, you know, in combat for a year
there so I know, I know adecent amount about Iraqi
history and culture.
Yeah, so, yeah, it's notmonolithic at all.
And but I think one of thethings that unites them all
across the Arab world, whetheryou're talking about Saudi
(05:32):
Arabia or Iran, isde-dollarization.
They're moving away from thedollar.
The petrodollar is dying.
Why this is not headline newsall over?
The financial network should betalking about this, not the
fang stocks.
Yeah, oh, yeah, I mean, whatimportance is that if the dollar
dies?
Literally?
You know you have Saudi Arabiais bricks plus.
(05:53):
Now that's official.
I mean, this was theory a yearago.
We're saying well right, youknow, saudi Arabia is in talks
with Brazil, russia, india,china, south Africa, which was
already 40% of the world'spopulation.
Then you add Saudi Arabia, it'sgame over.
Now we're still.
It's funny.
We're just, we're in the shadowof the once dominating dollar
(06:14):
and it's going away.
And that's my.
Really.
Everything I'm talking aboutlately is leading back to
de-dollarization.
What happens afterwards?
Because I don't think that thehorses left the barn, I don't
think you can't do anything atthis point.
Even David, I don't even knowif World War three would bring
the dollar back to its originaldominance.
(06:35):
Yeah, so we are.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
You look at Saudi Arabia joining the bricks.
I mean that's it, right there,because they were really the
linchpin.
You know we had Saudi Arabiaand you had Iran with the Shaw
and that was the US power within, you know, the well-produced
producing area, and then tyingthat all to the US dollar and
them buying US weapons and thattype of thing, when Saudis leave
(06:58):
, because we lost Iran a longtime ago.
But when the Saudis leave,that's it.
That's really the petrodollarright there.
End of game.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, that's all she wrote.
And then the dollars propped upby something called money
velocity, and we spoke aboutthis many times.
But money velocity is basicallyit's like the Ponzi scheme when
you quit using it, it's.
Or maybe you could liken it toTinkerbell If you don't clap,
tinkerbell dies.
And same thing with the dollaryou don't use it, it dies.
And you've got 80% of all the$100 bills ever made, in
(07:30):
physical form or not, in theUnited States of America.
So that's what's being usedaround the world.
And that's when I saw, you know, and as a young soldier, when I
saw people just dumping theIraqi dinar it's went to zero
and using the American dollar, Ithought, okay, well, this is
pretty universal.
Now they're not using thedollar.
That's slowly going away.
You have there's a gold boomgoing on in China.
(07:52):
They're not exporting, as amatter of fact, the Swiss, the
six year high on gold exports toIndia and China.
So even in the midst of China'sreal estate decline, it's
massive bubble and recession.
They've overbuilt theircurrencies in real trouble, but
they are buying gold and whilethe rest of the world sleeps.
(08:14):
I don't think they realizewhat's happening.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Well, and of course, commercial real estate issue.
That's there.
But even beyond that, china wasway overbuilt and other things
and the stock market gettingvery, very shaky now with these
big companies getting shaky likeEvergrande.
And they imposed they basicallyjust stopped a company that was
selling too much stock tooquickly because they're afraid
that the whole market there isgoing to collapse.
(08:37):
That's how shaky it is in China.
So they're putting all kinds ofdraconian restrictions on their
stock market.
There's an interesting articlefrom International man, the
number one warning sign thatcapital controls are coming soon
.
Just like the Chinese areputting controls on the stock
market, we can have thesecapital controls happen here on
cash and all the rest of thestuff.
(08:58):
And as he points out, he sayssorry, been done in a lot of
different countries Argentina,lebanon, venezuela, iceland,
greece, cyprus, turkey, russia,ukraine, china, india, south
Korea and governments andcountless other countries have
done these capital controls anddone it recently.
And so he says so what's what'sthe sign that is going to
(09:18):
happen here in the United States?
He said the warning sign tolook out for is when they say
it's not going to happen, whenthey start to talk about it and
say well, you know the capitalcontrol.
Don't worry, it's not going tohappen.
That's when you got to beconcerned that it's going to
happen real soon after that,right.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's like the early 70s with price controls.
Yeah, you know, it took us offthe gold standard in August of
1971 and then that followed withprice controls, because they
had to figure out how to stopthe runaway inflation.
Gold went up 2000% in the 1970s, but gold didn't go up in value
.
So run that through your mind.
That's what I try to count.
It's counterintuitive, folks.
(09:57):
The gold is not going upnecessarily, it's the dollar is
going down, it's losingpurchasing power.
And you read off that list ofcountries.
Most of those economies I sayare not doing well.
We're talking about Venezuela.
They're selling off their goldholdings because so much debt
has come due.
Argentina, same thing, withtheir currency imploding.
(10:19):
So those measures don't work.
They're free floating, freefloating fiat currencies.
There's 52 times more currencyon earth today than when I was
born 44 years ago.
We have a massive systemicworldwide debt problem as well.
These things are comingtogether and I think it's
culminating in what the IMF iseven saying at Davos.
(10:43):
You know this?
The most headwind of an economysince World War II, which, well
, it's interesting, we're in afourth turning, isn't that?
interesting 80 plus years on.
That's where we are and sowe're positioning yourself and I
see this.
Even and this is an openquestion I asked this at
(11:03):
Anarcapoco to the crowd, becausethese are crypto people.
I said, well, most of the time,you know, I look, I'm pretty
pessimistic about the rulingclass and what their views are.
You had Larry Fink come out andsay, from BlackRock and say that
that Bitcoin is now store valueand digital gold, which is a
long way from where they werefive years ago, basically saying
that it's only used in illicitactivities and money laundering
(11:25):
and terrorism.
And Warren Buffett said it wasrat poison.
Jamie Demon Jamie Demons saidhe'd fire any trader that went.
Now they all have ETFs.
Yeah, but it's interesting,some things afoot there.
You know I had Stuart Anglard on, who wrote the book rigged on
the golden sober markets and hasdug into this for years and
years about how they rigged thegolden sober markets.
(11:46):
This theory on the Bitcoin ETFwas that it was going to be used
to suppress the price.
But now we see, you know, goldor Bitcoin at 51,000 and some
change today up 30% in the lastmonth.
So there's something to thatunprecedented historical
(12:06):
activity in the currency market.
David, you see a big financemoving away, buying gold even
again, even actors like LarryFink saying that that Bitcoin is
digital gold and a store ofvalue.
So there's something there.
It's an off ramp, perhaps forthe elite.
(12:27):
We're still looking at that.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Well, you know, I guess maybe Bitcoin was too
honest for them.
They had to come up with somekind of a devious derivative to
attach on there before theycould really double down on this
thing and make it work for them.
Maybe that's what it is.
They're just waiting to rollout some kind of an ETF on top
of it so they could manipulateit in that regard.
Yeah, I don't trust these guys,but it is kind of interesting
(12:51):
to see how that is going backand forth.
We've got Are these anyquestions?
Yeah, we got some.
Do we have questions for Tony?
Let's see.
Yes, because Tony had said ifyou want to do we're doing, ask
me anything questions here.
If you want to ask him somequestions, he'll take them.
On rumble.
(13:11):
We have a Spromford, says.
Even after endless pep talks,my bookcase continues to whimper
at the site of Tony's.
You got a massive bookcasethere.
That's great.
He likes your bookcase, karim.
Thank you for the tip.
He said.
Tony, they just wanted you toclean up after the Israeli
(13:31):
special forces team that alreadytook the Iraqi gold from the
vaults.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Good, that's.
That's where the Israeli armywas.
I never saw any Israelis when Iwas over in the Middle East
fighting for a back.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, that's right, let's see.
I don't think these otherquestions are for Tony, but
anybody has any questions forTony, he certainly is willing to
take him.
You know, when we look at whathappened with Argentina Javier
Malai, which I have my I havesome concerns about him,
especially after he went toDavos, because that always puts
a red flag on somebody.
For me, you can, you cancriticize Davos, you can
(14:05):
criticize him to their.
I never went to Davos, but Igot blocked by Davos, by the
World Economic Forum, on socialmedia.
I never addressed them directly, but you know, so you can.
You can say things that Gettheir ire up and and that get
noticed at least by them, if notby other people, without going
there and always worry aboutpeople who physically go there.
(14:27):
But he has focused.
Like he said the central bankin Argentina was awful.
He says I don't like anycentral banks, but some of them
are worse than others and sohe's shut down the Pretty much
there there with anything andpegged it to the dollar.
Their inflation, tony has gonefrom 150 percent to 250 percent.
Did he pick the wrong centralbank horse to bet on?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
There was a.
There was an article I read onmy show about a month or so ago
on new Rockwell comm about Malay.
And he has ties to the IMF.
He has ties to Black Rock, yes,and Argentina was moving into
the bricks periphery.
So did they there?
Was this a coup to keepArgentina out of the bricks,
because that seems that's thetrend, that's where the energy
(15:12):
is going.
And you know, like we've talkedabout many times, you know that
the weaponization of the USdollar, our actions, not only
that, it's not only just theweaponization, but the the
economy.
Our economy is weak and we'renot making strategic decisions
about production or wealth orany of those things.
And I think the world knowsthat, looks at us and says well,
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you're not doing wellfinancially.
You weaponized your currency.
You know there's 40 differentsanctions on 36 different
countries.
We're out, and Argentina wasone of those.
And now you have this chainsawwielding guy.
Yeah, sounds good.
It sounds good on paper.
He's an anarcho capitalist.
You know, he talks about gold.
He supplies the, the anarcho,anarcho capitalist flag.
(15:57):
It's gold and black.
He's got all of that going forhim.
But there's just something it'salmost too good to be true.
So you, yeah, I'm skeptical andpegging yourself to that.
There's so many otheralternatives.
You know that you the ways youcould go, the dollar, and you
know, and you and I have spokenabout this, it's just again,
it's about usage and the math.
(16:18):
The math is not gonna be therefor you in the long run, maybe
the short run.
There's not many places to goright now.
But again, 2001, 75% of all theglobal transactions and went on
in dollars, and now it's 43%and declining rapidly.
So that's a true, that's atrend you'd want to pay
(16:39):
attention to yeah, yeah,absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That gave me red flags.
When the chains are the all ofus, the atrix and stuff, it's
like, okay, well, I don't knowthe country, I know that that
works, but I saw these games,these, the atrix, the
over-the-top criticism of otherpeople and then coming around,
all the stuff same type of thingthat Trump did then coming
around and making friends withthem, just like the world
economic form.
(17:02):
As you point out, he's gotthese, these ties to the IMF.
He was all over the Pope, whowas From Argentina and a Marxist
for sure, so he hated him, andit's like, okay, well, he
doesn't like the Pope and andthen he converts to Judaism,
anything, but then he goes tothe Vatican and now they're all
buddies there.
Yeah, it's like, wait a minute,there's something really phony
(17:24):
going on here.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
This is like Trump in 2016,.
You know you because, becauseyou'd be in jail and then you
fast forward after hisinauguration.
She's a wonderful person.
Yes, you know, I think we,that's just.
You know.
I had, I had the privilege ofbeing on air with Gia Regriffin
While I was producing for DonJeffries about a year ago and to
talk to the wise old sage, Imean, gia had regriffin, the
(17:47):
author of the creature fromJekyll Island and such an
activist John Burt society andit's been so.
It was so far ahead, yeah, ofhis time, you know, and he's in
his 90s and he's so sharp.
And I told him I see, I readthe creature from Jekyll Island
and that was one of the reasonsI'm in the golden silver
business and we got that.
We got on to series ofquestions.
(18:08):
I said what's the one thingthat you would warn the younger
activists about and those whoare fighting this battle, what
would you warn us against?
And he thought about it and hesaid controlled opposition is
the number one threat.
It's the people that look likethey're for you and they're not,
so you can guess where he ispolitically.
(18:28):
That was his theme.
He's like it was a warning fromthe old sage and I need to have
it back on.
I think my words would neverspoke.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I'd love to get him on again.
I talked to him once years ago,but he's right about that.
And if you go back and you lookat, what was it?
Somebody like Jeb Rdgrifin, whoknows the Marxists and knows
how they set this stuff up?
It was the Bolsheviks who setup the trust.
That's what they called it, andso they ran.
All the anti-Bolshevikorganizations were run by the
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Bolsheviks so that they wouldknow they funded it.
They did everything they couldto promote this so they could
draw in all their opponents andknow who they were.
And we see this happening overand over again.
That's why you look at Trump,you look at Javier Malai.
It's like, definitely, withTrump, javier Malai is still
kind of early days, but a lot ofsome signals that that's really
(19:23):
, I think, what is happeningthere.
But getting back to the capitalcontrols thing, I thought it was
interesting because he said thefirst thing is they're going to
say that they're not going todo capital control, so when they
actively tonight, they're aboutto impose it.
And so he says so what do youdo about this?
And so he has a couple ofthings.
He says have a foreign bankaccount, have real estate in a
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foreign country.
I looked at these first twothings.
I thought that's exactly whatPfizer was doing when they went
to Brazil and to Argentina and athird Latin American country
which was not named by stat news, a pharmaceutical publication.
They basically said you'regoing to hold us harmless, not
just for the vaccine itself, butalso for negligence and
(20:06):
manufacturing and shipping andall these other types of things,
which was not anything thatanybody else was doing, but we
want to have an insurance policy, essentially on foreign assets,
bank account assets, land andthings like that that Argentina
and Brazil and these othercountries have in other
countries, so that we can get tothat stuff, and so, yeah, that
(20:28):
is absolutely true.
So there's nothing that we canreally do about that.
Most people.
But.
He mentions then Bitcoin andthen he mentions physical gold,
bullion coins.
The fallbacks that we've gotare to prepare ourselves against
these capital controls, are tohave physical gold and to have
Bitcoin and things like that.
(20:50):
That's really the only thingthat we've got in terms of a
financial aspect to makepreparations for something like
capital controls, isn't it?
Yeah, not ETFs, that's right,not ETFs.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
They're actual, not paper, not GLD, not SLV and not
whatever ETF is claiming thatthey're buying Bitcoin.
You need to have your wallet,your keys.
It's really not hard to learnand you talk about
cryptocurrency.
Bitcoin is the only crypto I'mbuying right now and that's
because of its decentralization.
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It's not run by a company, it'snot run by a country.
It has lasted, you know.
It's still growing, thenetwork's growing, the adoption
is growing, so I'm buying it.
I'm bullish on Bitcoin.
I'm not even really in theBitcoin business anymore.
I was some of the first BitcoinATMs in this country and I
learned a lot from it.
But really my mission right nowis still precious metals, and
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that's gold and silver nocounterparty risk.
That's the main physical goldand silver.
No counterparty risk and one ofthe things I was talking with,
it's very hard to move physicalprecious metals across
boundaries.
That's why, like you can seepeople getting into jewelry,
that's just always a good idea.
Think ways that you can travelwith it.
(22:05):
But when you're talking about asignificant amount, you're
looking at storage and I will beannouncing something soon on
being able to store for people.
I'm looking at a Texas location, possibly within this year, to
do some legitimate securedstorage for people that
especially if they're going tobe living outside the country.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Okay, well, that's good.
Yeah, if they're outside thecountry.
One of the things he cautionsabout is be careful about bank
safe deposit boxes, because it'sgoing to be one of the first
places that they go.
And we saw that happen inCalifornia where they went into
that one area and the FBI stoleall of this stuff from everybody
.
I mean, you know there's one ortwo people that might have been
involved in criminal activity,but they got it from everybody
(22:45):
by going into these safetydeposit boxes.
It's just that's a difficultthing.
I got a couple of questionshere.
We'll start out with the funnyone here.
Billy the Kid, part two, says Ijust bought gold for the first
time, tony.
I spent $3,000 and got me threepairs of Trump sneakers.
It's a real gold in Trump'ssneakers.
(23:07):
I don't think there's anything.
I don't think there's anythingreal about those, but I love
that question.
Here is a more serious question.
I like that joke for Tony.
Sprunford says Tony, what areyour thoughts on silver versus
gold?
Is silver worth holding?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Stack silver, silver long term.
It's the price.
The word I would use isridiculous, because if you look
at the price history $1980,$52.50 an ounce Now what's the
purchasing power of $52.50 and1980 versus today?
It's probably like $250.
(23:47):
The disparity there is insane.
I'm about to release aninterview I had with Peter Kraut
who wrote the great silver bullbook.
We really dove into.
Not only is the price of silvermanipulated, jp Morgan's been
convicted of this.
It's counterintuitive becausemost people don't pay attention,
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because it's a pricemanipulation to suppress it.
Now, why is that?
Who is the largest holder ofsilver in the world?
Oh, it's JP Morgan.
They're buying physical silver.
That's the thing is you'retalking about hundreds of
millions of ounces in deficitsnow for the demand versus the
(24:28):
production.
So the recycling I've discussedthis on my interview with Peter.
Most of the silver it's inlandfills, you know, because it
wasn't worth getting out of theelectronic components to get
thrown away.
Only about 20% of the silverthat hits the market is from
silver mines.
The rest of it is just found ineither recycling from jewelry
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and other places or found ingold mining, copper mining, and
they just well, that's extra, sothey set it aside.
There is not a lot of silvermining going on.
So while the price issuppressed, it's too cheap to
even go get it.
So there's going to be areckoning, and I have seen Intel
that a lot of the big bankshave stopped their shorts on
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silver, which they normallyshorted, and a lot of them are
pulling those shorts, and so Ithink there's going to be in the
next year or so.
Again not investment advice hasnothing to do with investment
Watch.
This because I think it's goingto become less and less
available and there's not.
There's not even after themarket's corrected some and it's
(25:35):
stabilized a bit.
I still don't even see theamount of availability that I
saw in 2019.
It's not even close to that.
So there's something.
If a whale right now there wastwo or three whales that wanted
to come in and buy up the silver, they couldn't place the orders
.
We know that.
So in the physical preciousmetals business, you can't lock
those trades.
(25:56):
So I would say get physicalsilver and stack it for the long
term, because it's way out ofeven the gold and silver ratio.
Historically is something thatyou need to pay attention to as
well, because it's always beeneither 10 to one or, at the
highest, 20 to one.
We're at 87 to one.
(26:16):
This baby during the height ofthe scandemic, 125 to one at one
time in the first quarter of2020.
So that disparity.
There's something, there's areckoning coming from the price
of silver.
I don't know what, when, but itwill happen.
Math eventually kicks in.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And when you say it's counterintuitive that they're
getting this to depress theprice.
But we've seen that type ofthing happen before.
I remember when the real estatemarket started collapsing and
it's like so what's their gameon this?
Well, I remember we had aneighbor who refinanced their
house and they got a really,really low interest rate.
Their payments went down, theygot cash out of it and all the
(26:55):
rest of the stuff, and we lookedat it and said, well, maybe we
should do that.
All of a sudden, within a week,the interest rates just jumped
and they said, well, it'ssomething that happened in
California, now spreading allover the country.
And it's like, well, I don'tknow, but why would they do this
?
Well, we see why they did it.
They depressed the price ofhousing and they bought into it.
And they do this.
They create just like thewarnings about the creation of
the Federal Reserve said, thosewill create bull and bear
(27:18):
markets and they will profitwhen it goes up and profit when
it goes down.
And so when they startdepressing stuff like this
excessively, you know thatthey're playing a longer game
and they're going to dosomething to.
On the other side of it, theyare going to artificially
increase it probably as well.
We got another couple ofquestions here, I think for you,
(27:39):
Tony.
What states can your papergoldbacks be used in?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Well, there's even in states where they're not used
officially.
In those states there'slocations.
You can find that on theGoldback websites, but there's
Idaho, there's Wyoming, newHampshire, utah, just to name a
few, and there's others.
We're getting more access tothose in the coming months.
(28:05):
You can actually find locations.
Like me, I accept Goldbacks.
You can use Goldbacks at WiseWolf or both in my Texas
location and Branson.
There's individuals you can goon their website and there's a
list of companies and locations.
It's really all over thecountry, not just those states.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Somebody asked me that question the other day and
I said well, you know, when Iwas talking to Aaron Day, he
wrote a book about CBDC and he'stalking about that.
He's very heavily into Bitcoin,gold and Silver.
He said I give people thesegold paper notes and I'll give
them a little sheet and leave itas a tip.
When I'm at a restaurant, I'llgive them a little sheet and
tell them what this is.
(28:46):
That's the key thing.
Whatever it is, it's a mediumof exchange For the most part
other people.
If they buy into it, you'regood.
It doesn't have to be somethingthat is officially recognized
at the state level.
It just has to be recognized bythe person that you want to buy
something from.
If they understand what this is, then you may need to educate
them on that.
If they understand what it is,you're fine with that.
(29:08):
That's the key thing about allof this stuff we have.
They're going to try to pull onthe other side.
You're already starting to seesome trends like we see in the
UK and other countries would saywe're not going to accept cash,
we're not going to accept papermoney from the Federal Reserve,
(29:28):
even though it says on it thisis legal tender for all debts,
public and private, that type ofthing.
They can just say, no, I don'twant to take it.
Well, legally they have to takethat, I believe.
But they don't legally have totake anything else from you.
You could have a gold bar therethat you want to give them for
a stick of gum.
They don't have to take thatlike they would have to take the
(29:50):
paper money, but if they knowwhat the value of it is, they
would certainly accept somethingthat is way out of a lot more
valuable than what it is thatyou're trying to exchange from.
It's just that there has to bea give and take there in terms
of making it legal tender.
Even though a gold and silveris recognized in the
(30:11):
Constitution and referencedstill have people that might say
, well, I don't want to take thegold, or I don't want to take
the silver or whatever.
So it's just one of thosethings.
But I think that what I likeabout it is the fact that it
breaks down the gold in terms ofa small enough unit that you
can actually do something withit, and if things hit, then
(30:33):
it'll really get popular, Ithink.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I have watched them grow in popularity.
It's surprised me over the lastfive years.
When I started my business sixyears ago, I almost had no
business done in Goldbacks andnobody asked for them.
I get requests all the time.
I finally just said, everymembership level in Wolfpack
even the WolfCup every monthgets Goldbacks.
(30:58):
Everybody gets Goldbacks becausepeople like them and I think,
right, they're divisible,they're recognizable, they're
24-carat gold.
You can't go wrong with them.
I just, even if you can't spendthem right now, I promise you
eventually you will be able to.
There's more and more adoptionevery single day and people and
we've talked about this becauseof inflation, people are
(31:19):
starting to pay attention to thecurrency again and it's not
getting better.
It's not going to get better.
The price of groceries isthrough the roof.
They even had an article acouple of weeks ago on MSNBC or
something like that, and theysaid well, people, the price of
TVs is stabilizing, the price ofelectronics is going down
somewhat and used cars is goingdown, but food keeps going up
(31:41):
and we can't figure out why.
Well, the economy's bad andpeople are buying the TVs or the
electronics as much.
There isn't as much demand aseconomics 101, but people still
need to eat.
So that's where all theinflation is at right now, and
this is something that's notgoing to get better.
So goldbacks, fractional silver, fractional gold these are all
really great things to have inthe parallel economy that's
(32:03):
forming itself.
I mean, really it's becoming,it's organic, it's building
itself at this point, that'sright.
That's right Because of thedollar.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
They got a comment along those lines from the dude
7781.
He said when the shelves of thestore are empty, a can of tuna
then becomes worth far more thanany lump of gold or paper with
some dead guy's picture on it.
And that's really when we lookat it, it's relative to whatever
the current situation is.
If you get to those kind of adire straits where people are
starving, then it's going tocome back down to the can of
(32:34):
food.
It's going to come down to thelead that you've accumulated in
terms of ammunition and thingslike that.
That's what it's going toevolve to.
But we're looking at a situationwhere, if we go in something
that you've been through as well, what we saw in the 1970s the
(32:54):
disruption that comes frominflation is just so incredibly
difficult and to live throughand I've seen that happen.
I've seen what it does toeverything when inflation picks
up like that.
So that's one aspect of it.
The second aspect of it, ofcourse, is the de-dollarization.
We've never gone throughanything like that in our
lifetime.
We've always had the dollar bethe king of all currencies, so
(33:17):
we've never seen what that'sgoing to look like.
But then the third thing is theCBDC and the CBDC types of
controls could be put therewithout a completely grid down.
You know apocalyptic scenariowhere we're all fighting over
food.
The CBDC scenario could beimposed before that happens and
to me, that's really whatsetting some money aside in gold
(33:40):
and silver and people want todo it Bitcoin that's what that's
really about is a hedge againstthe CBDC types of surveillance
and control, where they stillhave the ability to get food but
they're just going to keep youout of the system and you've got
to have some kind of a parallelunderground economy, gray
market or even black market.
That's where these things aregoing to come into play, I think
(34:01):
.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Well, I agree with the assessment on the can of
tuna.
Robert Kiyosaki tweeted thatout a year ago saying you know,
again, you can't eat goldensilver.
Even he said that you can't eatgolden silver and I can't eat
tuna.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I can't.
It's going to have to besomething else besides tuna for
me.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
What golden, silver and Bitcoin are, or is this a
bet that civilization willcontinue?
Yeah, and without civilization?
You know, monetary exchangeunits aren't relevant.
Food is relevant, water isrelevant, the way to protect
yourself is more relevant.
So it really just depends onthe degree of what kind of
dystopia we're walking into.
(34:40):
So, you know, would thatsurprise me if there was no
economy?
Probably not, for everything Iknow about history, but I think
that you know, you're right.
Any sort of pause in what wedeem as normal we have normalcy
bias any sort of pause ordisruption in that will be where
they insert the central bankdigital currency.
(35:01):
That threat has not gone away.
It still trickles down into ournewsfeeds.
They're still working on it,whether it's the IMF with their
unicoin, or the Bank ofInternational Settlements, the
unified system.
They want to create thetop-down CBDC control system
that's being implemented.
(35:22):
So it's something.
They just need a crisis, andit'll be.
Oh, by the way, we've got acrisis.
We've got your wallet.
We've already got you 50.
Just do a Hail, satan, and scanyour biometrics and we'll give
you your central bank digitalcurrency.
You can go buy groceries againand you're an approved citizen
and you're essential.
All this language will be usedagain.
So that hasn't gone away.
So the fight for us to createparallel systems are like
(35:46):
Catherine Austin Fitz has beentalking about, with sovereign
state banks, and you know wehave so much on the horizon.
That's good news.
But you know, don't for asecond think that they have
stopped their plans to createthat top-down totalitarian
control grid with the CBDC.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, as you point out, they've got all these
different ones unicoin, worldcoin, I mean and all these
different central banks have gotall their different coins and,
as you see them saying, withworld economic form, what we got
to end at the EU, we got tohave these things interoperable
with each other.
That's the key.
They're all designing all theirown unique things and they'll
be out there, just like you canget a one ounce gold coin and
(36:25):
it'll have.
You know, maybe you get a V&A'scoin, it's got, you know, an
orchestra with a stuff on there.
You got an American Gold Eagleor a Krugerrand or whatever.
They've all got their littlestamp on it, but it's all
essentially the same thing.
So they're going to have their,just like they got different
gold coins that they meant.
They're going to have thesedifferent CBDCs, but they're all
going to be interoperable witheach other, and so they're just
(36:46):
they're creating thisinfrastructure.
It's pretty much already inplace.
They just got to pull thetrigger and unify it all.
That's what we got to beconcerned about.
Another couple of questionshere.
Actually, this is a comment anda tip.
Thank you, gard, appreciatethat.
He says not that the coldweather here and in the New
Hampshire studio inspires mythought, but I wonder if Tony
got info in Mexico regardingfreedom lovers who are trying to
(37:10):
leave the US and where they'reheaded if so?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
What about lots of expats?
And they had a whole systemthere at NARCAPOCO and through
the dollar vigilante, you can gocheck out their website.
They've got people that canhelp you, you know, relocate you
.
Looking at other countries thatare possibly friendly to you
know, former US citizens or dualcitizens, and you know whether
it's Mexico or Panama orNicaragua.
(37:35):
I've met a lot of people therethat had moved out and they're
spending most of their time inSouth America and other places.
So, you know, do that researchfor yourself.
It's funny almost everywhere Igo I meet people that know Gard
too, and I was in NARCAPOCO andI was like you know, a mutual
(37:55):
friend now, and I said I'mtalking to Carla, he goes, oh,
tell Carla.
I said, hi, you know from NewHampshire, and so it's
interesting.
You just meet people and peopleknow Gard.
You know it's a, his reputationis magnificent, they guard I
meet people and I say you knowGard Goldsmith, absolutely, he's
one of the greatest guys, sosmart, yes, well deserved.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
He definitely deserves that recognition and
they're wise to listen to him.
Yeah, you know, I had thatexperience.
Karen and I went and I think itwas 1998.
My mom had died, she'd had astroke, we were taking care of
her and after she died wethought, well, you know, we need
to think about, and I'd beenthinking about leaving the
country ever since there was theRuby Ridge and Waco.
(38:39):
I thought, yeah, you know, Ithink we've we've crossed the
Rubicon here for sure.
So we went to New Zealand totake a look at living there.
I actually set up a bankaccount temporarily there for a
while and close that now.
But the I looked at it seriouslyand and I just, you know, of
course, I met with some peoplethat were there, that were also
livery lovers, and and so we hadthis discussion about who had
(39:02):
it the worst.
I think they convinced me thatAmerica wasn't as far along as
as New Zealand was.
But I just even then, you know,when I was 30, something it was
, it was still.
I was too attached to Americareally to leave it.
So I thought, well, might aswell just fight it out here.
So that's where I was, why I'mnot an expat.
(39:24):
Another question for Tony herefrom Sprunford on Rumble.
He says thanks Tony for thesilver advice.
Any preference for large barsversus American Eagles, other
than it's obviously a betterdeal to buy bars?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
My advice to my customers is always get the
amount of ounces closer to howmuch the dollar units you have
American Eagles, the premiums onthem.
I don't agree with thosepremiums.
Now you're still getting silvercheap.
I mean it's probably $31 anounce for an American Eagle
today and I haven't checkedthat's probably retail around 30
(40:03):
, 31.
Well, you could stack, you know, 100 ounce silver bars for
around 25, 25 and a half.
So you really to take a look athow many ounces you're going to
get, because that's what'sgoing to be most important Now
in your trading ability.
Fractional pre-1965 silver is areally good thing to have.
If you join Wolfpack we do alot of the 10,000 pieces.
(40:24):
I was actually putting 10,000sovereign silver Britannias
that'll be coming up in the nextseries of Wolfpack packages.
I just bought about 5,000 ofthose.
So we're going to be puttingthose in the orders soon.
So we do a lot of fractionalthere.
So if you've got tradablesilver, that's the first thing
you're going to want is tradablesilver.
American Eagles are fine if youcan get a good deal.
(40:45):
But after that, when you'vereached a point where I've got
all my tradable silver that I'mprobably going to need for an
emergency or for a while tospend.
You know, if there's a problemwith the dollar or a currency
run on, the dollar or currencycollapse, after that stack the
ounces and one of the best waysto do that is just get a
recognizable bullion bar.
Kilo and up is probably thebest deal.
(41:07):
Kilogram bars are a good dealall the way up to 100 ounce bars
Always a good deal.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yeah, I've got the money for a 100 ounce bar.
That's a good.
You're doing pretty good there.
That's good to know.
It's been great to have you on.
I don't have any more questionshere for you from the listeners
, but and I know you've got toget going because I usually do
about a half hour work, aboutone and a half times that.
Thanks for coming on, tony.
Always interesting to talk toyou and before we go anything
(41:35):
else, you want to tell peopleabout what is happening at Wolf
Pack and with Wise Wolf.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well, first of all, always a pleasure to talk to you
, david, and it's an honor tosponsor this program and I know
how.
I heard the first part of theshow and you talked about radio
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We've got free worldfm.
We're still working onlaunching and I want to include
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It's tough to broadcast.
(42:02):
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It's short, short burst andit's exhausting.
I love doing it but I know howmuch it takes out of you and how
much you're giving to theaudience.
So we'll definitely discussthat.
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I looked at the latest invoices.
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So you're getting a lot ofgreat stuff in Wolf Pack and
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You can go to David Knightgoal,check out the tab that says
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We're working on the websiteall that good stuff and my two
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You can do one time purchases,401k rollovers, iras, all that
stuff, and we're just working onfaster shipments and better
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Speaker 1 (43:21):
Well, thank you, and thank you for supporting us, and
it really is a great idea.
What you've got in terms ofgroup buying and being able to
do it in small quantities and ona regular basis.
That is something that is avery unique service and you do a
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Thank you so much, tony.
Again, tony Artiman of WiseWolf Gold, and you can find his
website and let him know thatyou're coming through us.
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All right, joining us now is Tony Arderman and of
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Let him know that you're comingthrough me.
Good to have Tony on, becauselast week he was in Mexico
speaking at a conference.
Thanks for joining us, tony.
Tell us a little bit about thatconference.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, thanks for having me back, david.
I had a great time.
It was Anarcapoco in Alcapoco,mexico, the dollar vigilante and
crypto vigilante crowd.
I sponsored the event.
I was the only gold sponsor andI got to speak on Crypto Day.
So I had 40 minutes onValentine's Day in the morning
to speak and it went really well.
(00:45):
You know these are people thatand again, the theme to the
dollar vigilante is survivingand thriving after the dollar
collapse, and that's been JeffBurwick who's the founder of
that.
That's been his mantra foryears and years, and now we're
really seeing, and that's what Ispoke about on Crypto Day.
I said you know, gold andcrypto and silver, precious
(01:06):
metals these go together becausethis is a we're creating a
parallel system.
You know, you have Gresham'slaw that states when bad money
enters a system, good money goesinto hiding, and I think that's
coming to fruition.
You know the good money'scoming out of hiding because the
bad money that enters thesystem is crashing the system
itself, and so that's what Ispoke about.
(01:26):
You know, everywhere you lookis de-dollarization, everywhere,
and it's accelerating.
I was looking at a story thismorning, just facts and figures,
you know.
You look at the Russian economyTwo years ago, only 1% of
financial transactions went onin the Chinese Yuan.
Now it's 34% and they'vecompletely abandoned the dollar.
(01:51):
When I opened up my talk inAnarcapoco, I said the first
thing I said was when I was 23years old, I got to see a
currency die in real time, apaper currency.
You know, in you knowVoltaire's Maxim, that all paper
currency eventually returns toits natural value state, which
is zero.
And that's looking at.
Something happened to the Iraqidenar, you know, and we were
(02:12):
told.
The first mission I had inMosul when the Iraqi Republican
guard fell was to go to the bankand there wasn't any other
orders other than try to findsome semblance of security,
because everybody's running outwith boxes of Iraqi denar with
Saddam Hussein's picture on them, but they were worthless,
nobody wanted them.
And I said now, now, think aboutthis, folks.
(02:32):
20 plus years later, I'mtalking to you and the Iraqi
parliament is making it illegalfor you to transact in dollars,
especially for major Iraqi banks.
They are abandoning the dollar.
And does that say because theonly currency that you could use
post US invasion in Iraq in2003, upwards till the last, you
(02:52):
know, a couple of years, wasAmerican dollars.
Yeah, yeah, think about how farthat, how far the US dollar,
has fallen in the last 20 plus20 plus years.
It's absolutely amazing.
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, I wonder you know how much one of the Iraqi
notes with Saddam Hussein'spicture on it is compared to
Confederate note with JeffersonDavis' picture on it.
What's the exchange rate forthose two currencies?
They've gone to zero, exceptfor, probably, the Confederate
currency the collector's item.
So you know it's got some valuefrom that standpoint.
But yeah, that's where italways goes.
(03:26):
But that truly is amazingbecause you know Iraq is really
still heavily influenced, withUS troops there and all the rest
of that stuff, but they don'twant to use the US dollar.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I think because of Iran's influence in the region.
Now they're Shia based in theirgovernance.
You know, Saddam Hussein wasSunni and, of course, the Sunni
triangle and the Sunni of theminority, and now the Shia are
the actual majority in Iraq.
And I think that's what'shappening is the long term
de-dollarization and waning USgeopolitical hegemony.
(04:02):
You could just it's showing itsface right there.
Yeah, that's really all youneed to know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And that's an important point too, when you're
talking about the Shias and theSunnis and of course, we also
got the Wahhabists and SaudiArabia.
Islam is not this monolithicthing.
It's got all these differentfactions and, just like
Christianity was in the MiddleAges, these different
denominations, if you will, ofIslam are politically connected,
you know.
(04:26):
They have a unification, justlike they did at the time in the
Middle Ages.
There was this, you know,connection politically as well
as with a church, and it wasreally the politics that was
more important than it was thereligious aspect.
And so that's where theseIslamic countries are right now,
and people think of them asmonolithic, but they're not and
they're fighting each other, notjust us.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh, absolutely non-monolithic.
Yeah, and it wasn't George WBush who said there's different
types of Muslims, like hecouldn't believe it, like that
it was actually I think it wasJoe Biden.
When he maybe a moment oflucidity or a talking point from
a think tank.
He said, yeah, I mean, this islike 20 plus years ago.
He's like, well, maybe Iraqshould be divided into three
parts, you know, the KurdishNorth, the Sunni triangle, the
(05:09):
middle and then the rest is Shia.
And I thought, well, that mightmake sense if someone I've
lived there for a year and I was, you know, in combat for a year
there so I know, I know adecent amount about Iraqi
history and culture.
Yeah, so, yeah, it's notmonolithic at all.
And but I think one of thethings that unites them all
across the Arab world, whetheryou're talking about Saudi
(05:32):
Arabia or Iran, isde-dollarization.
They're moving away from thedollar.
The petrodollar is dying.
Why this is not headline newsall over?
The financial network should betalking about this, not the
fang stocks.
Yeah, oh, yeah, I mean, whatimportance is that if the dollar
dies?
Literally?
You know you have Saudi Arabiais bricks plus.
(05:53):
Now that's official.
I mean, this was theory a yearago.
We're saying well right, youknow, saudi Arabia is in talks
with Brazil, russia, india,china, south Africa, which was
already 40% of the world'spopulation.
Then you add Saudi Arabia, it'sgame over.
Now we're still.
It's funny.
We're just, we're in the shadowof the once dominating dollar
(06:14):
and it's going away.
And that's my.
Really.
Everything I'm talking aboutlately is leading back to
de-dollarization.
What happens afterwards?
Because I don't think that thehorses left the barn, I don't
think you can't do anything atthis point.
Even David, I don't even knowif World War three would bring
the dollar back to its originaldominance.
(06:35):
Yeah, so we are.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
You look at Saudi Arabia joining the bricks.
I mean that's it, right there,because they were really the
linchpin.
You know we had Saudi Arabiaand you had Iran with the Shaw
and that was the US power within, you know, the well-produced
producing area, and then tyingthat all to the US dollar and
them buying US weapons and thattype of thing, when Saudis leave
(06:58):
, because we lost Iran a longtime ago.
But when the Saudis leave,that's it.
That's really the petrodollarright there.
End of game.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, that's all she wrote.
And then the dollars propped upby something called money
velocity, and we spoke aboutthis many times.
But money velocity is basicallyit's like the Ponzi scheme when
you quit using it, it's.
Or maybe you could liken it toTinkerbell If you don't clap,
tinkerbell dies.
And same thing with the dollaryou don't use it, it dies.
And you've got 80% of all the$100 bills ever made, in
(07:30):
physical form or not, in theUnited States of America.
So that's what's being usedaround the world.
And that's when I saw, you know, and as a young soldier, when I
saw people just dumping theIraqi dinar it's went to zero
and using the American dollar, Ithought, okay, well, this is
pretty universal.
Now they're not using thedollar.
That's slowly going away.
You have there's a gold boomgoing on in China.
(07:52):
They're not exporting, as amatter of fact, the Swiss, the
six year high on gold exports toIndia and China.
So even in the midst of China'sreal estate decline, it's
massive bubble and recession.
They've overbuilt theircurrencies in real trouble, but
they are buying gold and whilethe rest of the world sleeps.
(08:14):
I don't think they realizewhat's happening.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Well, and of course, commercial real estate issue.
That's there.
But even beyond that, china wasway overbuilt and other things
and the stock market gettingvery, very shaky now with these
big companies getting shaky likeEvergrande.
And they imposed they basicallyjust stopped a company that was
selling too much stock tooquickly because they're afraid
that the whole market there isgoing to collapse.
(08:37):
That's how shaky it is in China.
So they're putting all kinds ofdraconian restrictions on their
stock market.
There's an interesting articlefrom International man, the
number one warning sign thatcapital controls are coming soon
.
Just like the Chinese areputting controls on the stock
market, we can have thesecapital controls happen here on
cash and all the rest of thestuff.
(08:58):
And as he points out, he sayssorry, been done in a lot of
different countries Argentina,lebanon, venezuela, iceland,
greece, cyprus, turkey, russia,ukraine, china, india, south
Korea and governments andcountless other countries have
done these capital controls anddone it recently.
And so he says so what's what'sthe sign that is going to
(09:18):
happen here in the United States?
He said the warning sign tolook out for is when they say
it's not going to happen, whenthey start to talk about it and
say well, you know the capitalcontrol.
Don't worry, it's not going tohappen.
That's when you got to beconcerned that it's going to
happen real soon after that,right.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's like the early 70s with price controls.
Yeah, you know, it took us offthe gold standard in August of
1971 and then that followed withprice controls, because they
had to figure out how to stopthe runaway inflation.
Gold went up 2000% in the 1970s, but gold didn't go up in value
.
So run that through your mind.
That's what I try to count.
It's counterintuitive, folks.
(09:57):
The gold is not going upnecessarily, it's the dollar is
going down, it's losingpurchasing power.
And you read off that list ofcountries.
Most of those economies I sayare not doing well.
We're talking about Venezuela.
They're selling off their goldholdings because so much debt
has come due.
Argentina, same thing, withtheir currency imploding.
(10:19):
So those measures don't work.
They're free floating, freefloating fiat currencies.
There's 52 times more currencyon earth today than when I was
born 44 years ago.
We have a massive systemicworldwide debt problem as well.
These things are comingtogether and I think it's
culminating in what the IMF iseven saying at Davos.
(10:43):
You know this?
The most headwind of an economysince World War II, which, well
, it's interesting, we're in afourth turning, isn't that?
interesting 80 plus years on.
That's where we are and sowe're positioning yourself and I
see this.
Even and this is an openquestion I asked this at
(11:03):
Anarcapoco to the crowd, becausethese are crypto people.
I said, well, most of the time,you know, I look, I'm pretty
pessimistic about the rulingclass and what their views are.
You had Larry Fink come out andsay, from BlackRock and say that
that Bitcoin is now store valueand digital gold, which is a
long way from where they werefive years ago, basically saying
that it's only used in illicitactivities and money laundering
(11:25):
and terrorism.
And Warren Buffett said it wasrat poison.
Jamie Demon Jamie Demons saidhe'd fire any trader that went.
Now they all have ETFs.
Yeah, but it's interesting,some things afoot there.
You know I had Stuart Anglard on, who wrote the book rigged on
the golden sober markets and hasdug into this for years and
years about how they rigged thegolden sober markets.
(11:46):
This theory on the Bitcoin ETFwas that it was going to be used
to suppress the price.
But now we see, you know, goldor Bitcoin at 51,000 and some
change today up 30% in the lastmonth.
So there's something to thatunprecedented historical
(12:06):
activity in the currency market.
David, you see a big financemoving away, buying gold even
again, even actors like LarryFink saying that that Bitcoin is
digital gold and a store ofvalue.
So there's something there.
It's an off ramp, perhaps forthe elite.
(12:27):
We're still looking at that.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Well, you know, I guess maybe Bitcoin was too
honest for them.
They had to come up with somekind of a devious derivative to
attach on there before theycould really double down on this
thing and make it work for them.
Maybe that's what it is.
They're just waiting to rollout some kind of an ETF on top
of it so they could manipulateit in that regard.
Yeah, I don't trust these guys,but it is kind of interesting
(12:51):
to see how that is going backand forth.
We've got Are these anyquestions?
Yeah, we got some.
Do we have questions for Tony?
Let's see.
Yes, because Tony had said ifyou want to do we're doing, ask
me anything questions here.
If you want to ask him somequestions, he'll take them.
On rumble.
(13:11):
We have a Spromford, says.
Even after endless pep talks,my bookcase continues to whimper
at the site of Tony's.
You got a massive bookcasethere.
That's great.
He likes your bookcase, karim.
Thank you for the tip.
He said.
Tony, they just wanted you toclean up after the Israeli
(13:31):
special forces team that alreadytook the Iraqi gold from the
vaults.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Good, that's.
That's where the Israeli armywas.
I never saw any Israelis when Iwas over in the Middle East
fighting for a back.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, that's right, let's see.
I don't think these otherquestions are for Tony, but
anybody has any questions forTony, he certainly is willing to
take him.
You know, when we look at whathappened with Argentina Javier
Malai, which I have my I havesome concerns about him,
especially after he went toDavos, because that always puts
a red flag on somebody.
For me, you can, you cancriticize Davos, you can
(14:05):
criticize him to their.
I never went to Davos, but Igot blocked by Davos, by the
World Economic Forum, on socialmedia.
I never addressed them directly, but you know, so you can.
You can say things that Gettheir ire up and and that get
noticed at least by them, if notby other people, without going
there and always worry aboutpeople who physically go there.
(14:27):
But he has focused.
Like he said the central bankin Argentina was awful.
He says I don't like anycentral banks, but some of them
are worse than others and sohe's shut down the Pretty much
there there with anything andpegged it to the dollar.
Their inflation, tony has gonefrom 150 percent to 250 percent.
Did he pick the wrong centralbank horse to bet on?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
There was a.
There was an article I read onmy show about a month or so ago
on new Rockwell comm about Malay.
And he has ties to the IMF.
He has ties to Black Rock, yes,and Argentina was moving into
the bricks periphery.
So did they there?
Was this a coup to keepArgentina out of the bricks,
because that seems that's thetrend, that's where the energy
(15:12):
is going.
And you know, like we've talkedabout many times, you know that
the weaponization of the USdollar, our actions, not only
that, it's not only just theweaponization, but the the
economy.
Our economy is weak and we'renot making strategic decisions
about production or wealth orany of those things.
And I think the world knowsthat, looks at us and says well,
(15:34):
you're not doing wellfinancially.
You weaponized your currency.
You know there's 40 differentsanctions on 36 different
countries.
We're out, and Argentina wasone of those.
And now you have this chainsawwielding guy.
Yeah, sounds good.
It sounds good on paper.
He's an anarcho capitalist.
You know, he talks about gold.
He supplies the, the anarcho,anarcho capitalist flag.
(15:57):
It's gold and black.
He's got all of that going forhim.
But there's just something it'salmost too good to be true.
So you, yeah, I'm skeptical andpegging yourself to that.
There's so many otheralternatives.
You know that you the ways youcould go, the dollar, and you
know, and you and I have spokenabout this, it's just again,
it's about usage and the math.
(16:18):
The math is not gonna be therefor you in the long run, maybe
the short run.
There's not many places to goright now.
But again, 2001, 75% of all theglobal transactions and went on
in dollars, and now it's 43%and declining rapidly.
So that's a true, that's atrend you'd want to pay
(16:39):
attention to yeah, yeah,absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That gave me red flags.
When the chains are the all ofus, the atrix and stuff, it's
like, okay, well, I don't knowthe country, I know that that
works, but I saw these games,these, the atrix, the
over-the-top criticism of otherpeople and then coming around,
all the stuff same type of thingthat Trump did then coming
around and making friends withthem, just like the world
economic form.
(17:02):
As you point out, he's gotthese, these ties to the IMF.
He was all over the Pope, whowas From Argentina and a Marxist
for sure, so he hated him, andit's like, okay, well, he
doesn't like the Pope and andthen he converts to Judaism,
anything, but then he goes tothe Vatican and now they're all
buddies there.
Yeah, it's like, wait a minute,there's something really phony
(17:24):
going on here.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
This is like Trump in 2016,.
You know you because, becauseyou'd be in jail and then you
fast forward after hisinauguration.
She's a wonderful person.
Yes, you know, I think we,that's just.
You know.
I had, I had the privilege ofbeing on air with Gia Regriffin
While I was producing for DonJeffries about a year ago and to
talk to the wise old sage, Imean, gia had regriffin, the
(17:47):
author of the creature fromJekyll Island and such an
activist John Burt society andit's been so.
It was so far ahead, yeah, ofhis time, you know, and he's in
his 90s and he's so sharp.
And I told him I see, I readthe creature from Jekyll Island
and that was one of the reasonsI'm in the golden silver
business and we got that.
We got on to series ofquestions.
(18:08):
I said what's the one thingthat you would warn the younger
activists about and those whoare fighting this battle, what
would you warn us against?
And he thought about it and hesaid controlled opposition is
the number one threat.
It's the people that look likethey're for you and they're not,
so you can guess where he ispolitically.
(18:28):
That was his theme.
He's like it was a warning fromthe old sage and I need to have
it back on.
I think my words would neverspoke.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I'd love to get him on again.
I talked to him once years ago,but he's right about that.
And if you go back and you lookat, what was it?
Somebody like Jeb Rdgrifin, whoknows the Marxists and knows
how they set this stuff up?
It was the Bolsheviks who setup the trust.
That's what they called it, andso they ran.
All the anti-Bolshevikorganizations were run by the
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Bolsheviks so that they wouldknow they funded it.
They did everything they couldto promote this so they could
draw in all their opponents andknow who they were.
And we see this happening overand over again.
That's why you look at Trump,you look at Javier Malai.
It's like, definitely, withTrump, javier Malai is still
kind of early days, but a lot ofsome signals that that's really
(19:23):
, I think, what is happeningthere.
But getting back to the capitalcontrols thing, I thought it was
interesting because he said thefirst thing is they're going to
say that they're not going todo capital control, so when they
actively tonight, they're aboutto impose it.
And so he says so what do youdo about this?
And so he has a couple ofthings.
He says have a foreign bankaccount, have real estate in a
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foreign country.
I looked at these first twothings.
I thought that's exactly whatPfizer was doing when they went
to Brazil and to Argentina and athird Latin American country
which was not named by stat news, a pharmaceutical publication.
They basically said you'regoing to hold us harmless, not
just for the vaccine itself, butalso for negligence and
(20:06):
manufacturing and shipping andall these other types of things,
which was not anything thatanybody else was doing, but we
want to have an insurance policy, essentially on foreign assets,
bank account assets, land andthings like that that Argentina
and Brazil and these othercountries have in other
countries, so that we can get tothat stuff, and so, yeah, that
(20:28):
is absolutely true.
So there's nothing that we canreally do about that.
Most people.
But.
He mentions then Bitcoin andthen he mentions physical gold,
bullion coins.
The fallbacks that we've gotare to prepare ourselves against
these capital controls, are tohave physical gold and to have
Bitcoin and things like that.
(20:50):
That's really the only thingthat we've got in terms of a
financial aspect to makepreparations for something like
capital controls, isn't it?
Yeah, not ETFs, that's right,not ETFs.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
They're actual, not paper, not GLD, not SLV and not
whatever ETF is claiming thatthey're buying Bitcoin.
You need to have your wallet,your keys.
It's really not hard to learnand you talk about
cryptocurrency.
Bitcoin is the only crypto I'mbuying right now and that's
because of its decentralization.
(21:21):
It's not run by a company, it'snot run by a country.
It has lasted, you know.
It's still growing, thenetwork's growing, the adoption
is growing, so I'm buying it.
I'm bullish on Bitcoin.
I'm not even really in theBitcoin business anymore.
I was some of the first BitcoinATMs in this country and I
learned a lot from it.
But really my mission right nowis still precious metals, and
(21:45):
that's gold and silver nocounterparty risk.
That's the main physical goldand silver.
No counterparty risk and one ofthe things I was talking with,
it's very hard to move physicalprecious metals across
boundaries.
That's why, like you can seepeople getting into jewelry,
that's just always a good idea.
Think ways that you can travelwith it.
(22:05):
But when you're talking about asignificant amount, you're
looking at storage and I will beannouncing something soon on
being able to store for people.
I'm looking at a Texas location, possibly within this year, to
do some legitimate securedstorage for people that
especially if they're going tobe living outside the country.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Okay, well, that's good.
Yeah, if they're outside thecountry.
One of the things he cautionsabout is be careful about bank
safe deposit boxes, because it'sgoing to be one of the first
places that they go.
And we saw that happen inCalifornia where they went into
that one area and the FBI stoleall of this stuff from everybody
.
I mean, you know there's one ortwo people that might have been
involved in criminal activity,but they got it from everybody
(22:45):
by going into these safetydeposit boxes.
It's just that's a difficultthing.
I got a couple of questionshere.
We'll start out with the funnyone here.
Billy the Kid, part two, says Ijust bought gold for the first
time, tony.
I spent $3,000 and got me threepairs of Trump sneakers.
It's a real gold in Trump'ssneakers.
(23:07):
I don't think there's anything.
I don't think there's anythingreal about those, but I love
that question.
Here is a more serious question.
I like that joke for Tony.
Sprunford says Tony, what areyour thoughts on silver versus
gold?
Is silver worth holding?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Stack silver, silver long term.
It's the price.
The word I would use isridiculous, because if you look
at the price history $1980,$52.50 an ounce Now what's the
purchasing power of $52.50 and1980 versus today?
It's probably like $250.
(23:47):
The disparity there is insane.
I'm about to release aninterview I had with Peter Kraut
who wrote the great silver bullbook.
We really dove into.
Not only is the price of silvermanipulated, jp Morgan's been
convicted of this.
It's counterintuitive becausemost people don't pay attention,
(24:07):
because it's a pricemanipulation to suppress it.
Now, why is that?
Who is the largest holder ofsilver in the world?
Oh, it's JP Morgan.
They're buying physical silver.
That's the thing is you'retalking about hundreds of
millions of ounces in deficitsnow for the demand versus the
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production.
So the recycling I've discussedthis on my interview with Peter.
Most of the silver it's inlandfills, you know, because it
wasn't worth getting out of theelectronic components to get
thrown away.
Only about 20% of the silverthat hits the market is from
silver mines.
The rest of it is just found ineither recycling from jewelry
(24:49):
and other places or found ingold mining, copper mining, and
they just well, that's extra, sothey set it aside.
There is not a lot of silvermining going on.
So while the price issuppressed, it's too cheap to
even go get it.
So there's going to be areckoning, and I have seen Intel
that a lot of the big bankshave stopped their shorts on
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silver, which they normallyshorted, and a lot of them are
pulling those shorts, and so Ithink there's going to be in the
next year or so.
Again not investment advice hasnothing to do with investment
Watch.
This because I think it's goingto become less and less
available and there's not.
There's not even after themarket's corrected some and it's
(25:35):
stabilized a bit.
I still don't even see theamount of availability that I
saw in 2019.
It's not even close to that.
So there's something.
If a whale right now there wastwo or three whales that wanted
to come in and buy up the silver, they couldn't place the orders
.
We know that.
So in the physical preciousmetals business, you can't lock
those trades.
(25:56):
So I would say get physicalsilver and stack it for the long
term, because it's way out ofeven the gold and silver ratio.
Historically is something thatyou need to pay attention to as
well, because it's always beeneither 10 to one or, at the
highest, 20 to one.
We're at 87 to one.
(26:16):
This baby during the height ofthe scandemic, 125 to one at one
time in the first quarter of2020.
So that disparity.
There's something, there's areckoning coming from the price
of silver.
I don't know what, when, but itwill happen.
Math eventually kicks in.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And when you say it's counterintuitive that they're
getting this to depress theprice.
But we've seen that type ofthing happen before.
I remember when the real estatemarket started collapsing and
it's like so what's their gameon this?
Well, I remember we had aneighbor who refinanced their
house and they got a really,really low interest rate.
Their payments went down, theygot cash out of it and all the
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rest of the stuff, and we lookedat it and said, well, maybe we
should do that.
All of a sudden, within a week,the interest rates just jumped
and they said, well, it'ssomething that happened in
California, now spreading allover the country.
And it's like, well, I don'tknow, but why would they do this
?
Well, we see why they did it.
They depressed the price ofhousing and they bought into it.
And they do this.
They create just like thewarnings about the creation of
the Federal Reserve said, thosewill create bull and bear
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markets and they will profitwhen it goes up and profit when
it goes down.
And so when they startdepressing stuff like this
excessively, you know thatthey're playing a longer game
and they're going to dosomething to.
On the other side of it, theyare going to artificially
increase it probably as well.
We got another couple ofquestions here, I think for you,
(27:39):
Tony.
What states can your papergoldbacks be used in?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Well, there's even in states where they're not used
officially.
In those states there'slocations.
You can find that on theGoldback websites, but there's
Idaho, there's Wyoming, newHampshire, utah, just to name a
few, and there's others.
We're getting more access tothose in the coming months.
(28:05):
You can actually find locations.
Like me, I accept Goldbacks.
You can use Goldbacks at WiseWolf or both in my Texas
location and Branson.
There's individuals you can goon their website and there's a
list of companies and locations.
It's really all over thecountry, not just those states.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Somebody asked me that question the other day and
I said well, you know, when Iwas talking to Aaron Day, he
wrote a book about CBDC and he'stalking about that.
He's very heavily into Bitcoin,gold and Silver.
He said I give people thesegold paper notes and I'll give
them a little sheet and leave itas a tip.
When I'm at a restaurant, I'llgive them a little sheet and
tell them what this is.
(28:46):
That's the key thing.
Whatever it is, it's a mediumof exchange For the most part
other people.
If they buy into it, you'regood.
It doesn't have to be somethingthat is officially recognized
at the state level.
It just has to be recognized bythe person that you want to buy
something from.
If they understand what this is, then you may need to educate
them on that.
If they understand what it is,you're fine with that.
(29:08):
That's the key thing about allof this stuff we have.
They're going to try to pull onthe other side.
You're already starting to seesome trends like we see in the
UK and other countries would saywe're not going to accept cash,
we're not going to accept papermoney from the Federal Reserve,
(29:28):
even though it says on it thisis legal tender for all debts,
public and private, that type ofthing.
They can just say, no, I don'twant to take it.
Well, legally they have to takethat, I believe.
But they don't legally have totake anything else from you.
You could have a gold bar therethat you want to give them for
a stick of gum.
They don't have to take thatlike they would have to take the
(29:50):
paper money, but if they knowwhat the value of it is, they
would certainly accept somethingthat is way out of a lot more
valuable than what it is thatyou're trying to exchange from.
It's just that there has to bea give and take there in terms
of making it legal tender.
Even though a gold and silveris recognized in the
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Constitution and referencedstill have people that might say
, well, I don't want to take thegold, or I don't want to take
the silver or whatever.
So it's just one of thosethings.
But I think that what I likeabout it is the fact that it
breaks down the gold in terms ofa small enough unit that you
can actually do something withit, and if things hit, then
(30:33):
it'll really get popular, Ithink.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I have watched them grow in popularity.
It's surprised me over the lastfive years.
When I started my business sixyears ago, I almost had no
business done in Goldbacks andnobody asked for them.
I get requests all the time.
I finally just said, everymembership level in Wolfpack
even the WolfCup every monthgets Goldbacks.
(30:58):
Everybody gets Goldbacks becausepeople like them and I think,
right, they're divisible,they're recognizable, they're
24-carat gold.
You can't go wrong with them.
I just, even if you can't spendthem right now, I promise you
eventually you will be able to.
There's more and more adoptionevery single day and people and
we've talked about this becauseof inflation, people are
(31:19):
starting to pay attention to thecurrency again and it's not
getting better.
It's not going to get better.
The price of groceries isthrough the roof.
They even had an article acouple of weeks ago on MSNBC or
something like that, and theysaid well, people, the price of
TVs is stabilizing, the price ofelectronics is going down
somewhat and used cars is goingdown, but food keeps going up
(31:41):
and we can't figure out why.
Well, the economy's bad andpeople are buying the TVs or the
electronics as much.
There isn't as much demand aseconomics 101, but people still
need to eat.
So that's where all theinflation is at right now, and
this is something that's notgoing to get better.
So goldbacks, fractional silver, fractional gold these are all
really great things to have inthe parallel economy that's
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forming itself.
I mean, really it's becoming,it's organic, it's building
itself at this point, that'sright.
That's right Because of thedollar.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
They got a comment along those lines from the dude
7781.
He said when the shelves of thestore are empty, a can of tuna
then becomes worth far more thanany lump of gold or paper with
some dead guy's picture on it.
And that's really when we lookat it, it's relative to whatever
the current situation is.
If you get to those kind of adire straits where people are
starving, then it's going tocome back down to the can of
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food.
It's going to come down to thelead that you've accumulated in
terms of ammunition and thingslike that.
That's what it's going toevolve to.
But we're looking at a situationwhere, if we go in something
that you've been through as well, what we saw in the 1970s the
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disruption that comes frominflation is just so incredibly
difficult and to live throughand I've seen that happen.
I've seen what it does toeverything when inflation picks
up like that.
So that's one aspect of it.
The second aspect of it, ofcourse, is the de-dollarization.
We've never gone throughanything like that in our
lifetime.
We've always had the dollar bethe king of all currencies, so
(33:17):
we've never seen what that'sgoing to look like.
But then the third thing is theCBDC and the CBDC types of
controls could be put therewithout a completely grid down.
You know apocalyptic scenariowhere we're all fighting over
food.
The CBDC scenario could beimposed before that happens and
to me, that's really whatsetting some money aside in gold
(33:40):
and silver and people want todo it Bitcoin that's what that's
really about is a hedge againstthe CBDC types of surveillance
and control, where they stillhave the ability to get food but
they're just going to keep youout of the system and you've got
to have some kind of a parallelunderground economy, gray
market or even black market.
That's where these things aregoing to come into play, I think
(34:01):
.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Well, I agree with the assessment on the can of
tuna.
Robert Kiyosaki tweeted thatout a year ago saying you know,
again, you can't eat goldensilver.
Even he said that you can't eatgolden silver and I can't eat
tuna.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I can't.
It's going to have to besomething else besides tuna for
me.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
What golden, silver and Bitcoin are, or is this a
bet that civilization willcontinue?
Yeah, and without civilization?
You know, monetary exchangeunits aren't relevant.
Food is relevant, water isrelevant, the way to protect
yourself is more relevant.
So it really just depends onthe degree of what kind of
dystopia we're walking into.
(34:40):
So, you know, would thatsurprise me if there was no
economy?
Probably not, for everything Iknow about history, but I think
that you know, you're right.
Any sort of pause in what wedeem as normal we have normalcy
bias any sort of pause ordisruption in that will be where
they insert the central bankdigital currency.
(35:01):
That threat has not gone away.
It still trickles down into ournewsfeeds.
They're still working on it,whether it's the IMF with their
unicoin, or the Bank ofInternational Settlements, the
unified system.
They want to create thetop-down CBDC control system
that's being implemented.
(35:22):
So it's something.
They just need a crisis, andit'll be.
Oh, by the way, we've got acrisis.
We've got your wallet.
We've already got you 50.
Just do a Hail, satan, and scanyour biometrics and we'll give
you your central bank digitalcurrency.
You can go buy groceries againand you're an approved citizen
and you're essential.
All this language will be usedagain.
So that hasn't gone away.
So the fight for us to createparallel systems are like
(35:46):
Catherine Austin Fitz has beentalking about, with sovereign
state banks, and you know wehave so much on the horizon.
That's good news.
But you know, don't for asecond think that they have
stopped their plans to createthat top-down totalitarian
control grid with the CBDC.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, as you point out, they've got all these
different ones unicoin, worldcoin, I mean and all these
different central banks have gotall their different coins and,
as you see them saying, withworld economic form, what we got
to end at the EU, we got tohave these things interoperable
with each other.
That's the key.
They're all designing all theirown unique things and they'll
be out there, just like you canget a one ounce gold coin and
(36:25):
it'll have.
You know, maybe you get a V&A'scoin, it's got, you know, an
orchestra with a stuff on there.
You got an American Gold Eagleor a Krugerrand or whatever.
They've all got their littlestamp on it, but it's all
essentially the same thing.
So they're going to have their,just like they got different
gold coins that they meant.
They're going to have thesedifferent CBDCs, but they're all
going to be interoperable witheach other, and so they're just
(36:46):
they're creating thisinfrastructure.
It's pretty much already inplace.
They just got to pull thetrigger and unify it all.
That's what we got to beconcerned about.
Another couple of questionshere.
Actually, this is a comment anda tip.
Thank you, gard, appreciatethat.
He says not that the coldweather here and in the New
Hampshire studio inspires mythought, but I wonder if Tony
got info in Mexico regardingfreedom lovers who are trying to
(37:10):
leave the US and where they'reheaded if so?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
What about lots of expats?
And they had a whole systemthere at NARCAPOCO and through
the dollar vigilante, you can gocheck out their website.
They've got people that canhelp you, you know, relocate you
.
Looking at other countries thatare possibly friendly to you
know, former US citizens or dualcitizens, and you know whether
it's Mexico or Panama orNicaragua.
(37:35):
I've met a lot of people therethat had moved out and they're
spending most of their time inSouth America and other places.
So, you know, do that researchfor yourself.
It's funny almost everywhere Igo I meet people that know Gard
too, and I was in NARCAPOCO andI was like you know, a mutual
(37:55):
friend now, and I said I'mtalking to Carla, he goes, oh,
tell Carla.
I said, hi, you know from NewHampshire, and so it's
interesting.
You just meet people and peopleknow Gard.
You know it's a, his reputationis magnificent, they guard I
meet people and I say you knowGard Goldsmith, absolutely, he's
one of the greatest guys, sosmart, yes, well deserved.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
He definitely deserves that recognition and
they're wise to listen to him.
Yeah, you know, I had thatexperience.
Karen and I went and I think itwas 1998.
My mom had died, she'd had astroke, we were taking care of
her and after she died wethought, well, you know, we need
to think about, and I'd beenthinking about leaving the
country ever since there was theRuby Ridge and Waco.
(38:39):
I thought, yeah, you know, Ithink we've we've crossed the
Rubicon here for sure.
So we went to New Zealand totake a look at living there.
I actually set up a bankaccount temporarily there for a
while and close that now.
But the I looked at it seriouslyand and I just, you know, of
course, I met with some peoplethat were there, that were also
livery lovers, and and so we hadthis discussion about who had
(39:02):
it the worst.
I think they convinced me thatAmerica wasn't as far along as
as New Zealand was.
But I just even then, you know,when I was 30, something it was
, it was still.
I was too attached to Americareally to leave it.
So I thought, well, might aswell just fight it out here.
So that's where I was, why I'mnot an expat.
(39:24):
Another question for Tony herefrom Sprunford on Rumble.
He says thanks Tony for thesilver advice.
Any preference for large barsversus American Eagles, other
than it's obviously a betterdeal to buy bars?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
My advice to my customers is always get the
amount of ounces closer to howmuch the dollar units you have
American Eagles, the premiums onthem.
I don't agree with thosepremiums.
Now you're still getting silvercheap.
I mean it's probably $31 anounce for an American Eagle
today and I haven't checkedthat's probably retail around 30
(40:03):
, 31.
Well, you could stack, you know, 100 ounce silver bars for
around 25, 25 and a half.
So you really to take a look athow many ounces you're going to
get, because that's what'sgoing to be most important Now
in your trading ability.
Fractional pre-1965 silver is areally good thing to have.
If you join Wolfpack we do alot of the 10,000 pieces.
(40:24):
I was actually putting 10,000sovereign silver Britannias
that'll be coming up in the nextseries of Wolfpack packages.
I just bought about 5,000 ofthose.
So we're going to be puttingthose in the orders soon.
So we do a lot of fractionalthere.
So if you've got tradablesilver, that's the first thing
you're going to want is tradablesilver.
American Eagles are fine if youcan get a good deal.
(40:45):
But after that, when you'vereached a point where I've got
all my tradable silver that I'mprobably going to need for an
emergency or for a while tospend.
You know, if there's a problemwith the dollar or a currency
run on, the dollar or currencycollapse, after that stack the
ounces and one of the best waysto do that is just get a
recognizable bullion bar.
Kilo and up is probably thebest deal.
(41:07):
Kilogram bars are a good dealall the way up to 100 ounce bars
Always a good deal.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yeah, I've got the money for a 100 ounce bar.
That's a good.
You're doing pretty good there.
That's good to know.
It's been great to have you on.
I don't have any more questionshere for you from the listeners
, but and I know you've got toget going because I usually do
about a half hour work, aboutone and a half times that.
Thanks for coming on, tony.
Always interesting to talk toyou and before we go anything
(41:35):
else, you want to tell peopleabout what is happening at Wolf
Pack and with Wise Wolf.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well, first of all, always a pleasure to talk to you
, david, and it's an honor tosponsor this program and I know
how.
I heard the first part of theshow and you talked about radio
and you and I will talk soon.
We've got free worldfm.
We're still working onlaunching and I want to include
you on that and I know that it'stough.
It's tough to broadcast.
(42:02):
I know I run your broadcast.
It's short, short burst andit's exhausting.
I love doing it but I know howmuch it takes out of you and how
much you're giving to theaudience.
So we'll definitely discussthat.
Wolf Pack is growing.
We're doing our best to findinteresting products and find
good deals.
I looked at the latest invoices.
(42:23):
If you look at your savings, Iwant people to pay it when you
get the new invoices in.
Check out the savings becauseI'm meticulously going through
product when I buy it to seewhat I can do to save people
money, especially with shippingand credit card fees and all
that, and it's generallysignificant.
I have bought in the lastcouple of weeks close to 5,000
(42:47):
ounces of Canadian silver mapleleaves that are brilliant
uncirculated with still theboxes isn't opened yet.
So you're getting a lot ofgreat stuff in Wolf Pack and
saving money that helps supportDavid.
You can go to David Knightgoal,check out the tab that says
join Wolf Pack and the dealsthat are coming.
We're working on the websiteall that good stuff and my two
physical locations are there toserve people.
(43:08):
You can do one time purchases,401k rollovers, iras, all that
stuff, and we're just working onfaster shipments and better
customer services always andthank you again for having me on
.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Well, thank you, and thank you for supporting us, and
it really is a great idea.
What you've got in terms ofgroup buying and being able to
do it in small quantities and ona regular basis.
That is something that is avery unique service and you do a
great job with that.
Thank you so much, tony.
Again, tony Artiman of WiseWolf Gold, and you can find his
website and let him know thatyou're coming through us.
(43:42):
If you go to David Knightgoal,all the connections are there to
take you right there.
Thank you, tony.
David Knight Show.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
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