February 20, 2025 • 39 mins
Is Fort Knox hiding a golden secret? This episode features Tony Arterburn of Wise Wolf Gold as we unravel the enigma of the un-audited gold reserves and the political drama surrounding it. With millions of ounces shifting from London to the United States, the cloak-and-dagger world of gold repatriation raises more questions than answers. Why have prominent Senators like Mike Lee and Rand Paul been denied access to Fort Knox, and what does this mean for the political landscape and chaotic gold markets?
We journey into the shifting sands of the global economy, inspired by a presentation at Anarchapulco. From the strategic maneuvers of China in commodities to the dramatic de-dollarization, the international financial stage is set for a transformation. Our discussion touches on the declining purchase of U.S. treasuries by China, the motivations behind central banks' gold acquisitions, and the looming threat of supply chain disruptions. The narrative hints at a world at the brink of a financial upheaval, with gold playing a pivotal role.
Lastly, we explore the potential future of money with the advent of Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs). As 96% of countries develop blueprints for these digital currencies, the episode analyzes how technological advancements challenge traditional economic theories. We consider the implications of CBDCs on surveillance, sovereignty, and the economic reset strategies of global powers, with insights from influential figures like Elon Musk and Jerome Powell. Join us as we untangle these complex threads and speculate on the strategic moves that may shape the financial future.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ruffles brings you a perfect promo to enjoy the NFL.
Join three empty bags, scanthem on WhatsApp and you could
participate to get a NFL bottle.
Live the games with all theemotion and accompany them with
Ruffles and your new bottle thisseason Ruffles.
Official sponsor of the NFL.
In effect on January 6th toFebruary 22nd 2025.
(00:22):
Bases and form of participationin Joy App.
The NFL and its teams areexempt from any responsibility
related to the execution of thecurrent promotion Eat.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Joining us now is Tony Ardaban of Wise Wolf Gold,
and Tony has kindly set upDavidKnight Gold.
That'll take you to Wise Wolfand let him know that you came
through us.
But I want to talk to Tonyabout what's going on with the
Fort Knox issue.
I've been playing videos aboutthis goldfinger and all the rest
of this stuff.
We played videos about themissing gold and silver in 9-11,
(01:01):
and yet this is an ongoing taleand they're trying to
desperately bring gold back in.
I questioned the other day thisis something that you brought
up first about how there was alot of problems in London
because there was so much goldthat was being repatriated back
(01:21):
to the US.
So I kind of opened up thequestion could it possibly be
because they're worried thatthere's going to be an audit of
Fort Knox before they look?
What do you think is going onwith all this stuff?
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It is absolutely crazy and you know you go back
to the consequence of thiselection.
You and I spoke before November5th and we we have our opinions
on what was going to happenwith Harris, what would happen
with Trump.
None of this would be on thetable with Harris.
So there is this chaos agentaspect to this.
So all the fundamentals thatwere pushing gold to all time
highs still exist.
(01:53):
On top of now, we have theLondon exchanges and the vaults
being cleared out.
And the vaults being clearedout.
The number of gold ounces 12.5million ounces of gold being
repatriated from London to theUnited States.
40 million ounces of silver hasbeen repatriated, and that's
(02:15):
just London.
That's not the other vaultsaround the world that are
repatriating gold to the UnitedStates.
Something is afoot, david, andyou talk about chaos and
unintended consequences.
States.
Something is afoot, david, andyou talk about chaos and
unintended consequences.
Now you've got Arbor.
Herorius.
A Swiss gold manufacturer hasput massive premiums on gold
bars and even stopped some ofthe pre-sales of its product
(02:36):
because of dwindling supply.
This rupture between paper andphysical is happening faster
than I had predicted because Ithought they had a lot more time
.
But when you're talking aboutordering contracts to be
fulfilled and they have to makeon-time delivery to these big
multinationals and others.
It's really putting a strain onwhatever was happening behind
(02:58):
the scenes at the actualexchanges and bullion houses for
holding that paper gold.
Exchanges and bullion housesfor holding that paper gold.
When it comes to Fort Knox,though, this has long been in
the lore of gold bugs, thatsomething was wrong, that it's
been repatriated.
We don't ever see it.
There hasn't been an audit in70 years and I always just put
(03:18):
that on the back burner.
But now that all of this hascome out with Doge and Elon Musk
, it's interesting because youstart seeing Senator Mike Lee
pop up.
And then there's Senator RandPaul from Kentucky that's where
his home state and he says I'vebeen trying to access, just go
to Fort Knox for 10 years.
And so is Mike Lee and otherswho are popping up saying I
(03:38):
tried to go to Fort Knox.
Well, that's interestingbecause you know if you ever
have been in the military andone of the ways, if you are
having problem with your chainof command or something wrong,
you can always go to yourcongressman, you can go to your
senator, and a congressionalinquiry has a powerful effect on
the military, except for this.
So there's something, somethingI did not.
(03:59):
I did not know that they hadpurposely tried to access this,
without effect, and no one, Iguess, has there hasn't been any
said.
I'm a senator.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I did not know that they had purposely tried to
access this without effect, andno one, I guess, has there
hasn't been any.
They said I'm a senator.
They said I'm a senator and Isaid you still can't come.
So I guess you know themilitary.
Even if the military is undercivilian control there's a
question about that as well butif the military is under
civilian control and by that Idon't mean the CIA but the
politicians it appears that FortKnox is not under civilian
(04:29):
control at all.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's going to be interesting to see what
treatment Trump gets ifsomething even moves on that, if
he gets a call and says youcan't look, you know, it's
really a.
I was talking yesterday.
I had a.
I spoke at Anarchapoco.
I'm in Anarchapoco, mexico,right now, in case you get,
behind me is the Pacific Ocean,in case you can't see it.
(05:05):
I was there yesterday and I wasspeaking on this and the chaos
that's been caused and about,you know, the gold shortages and
who actually controls the8,000-plus tons of gold that the
United States supposedly had.
And I got to speaking and itwas somebody off stage and we
started to think well, this isreally like the plot to to Die
Hard three.
You know, you go back in the90s when Hans Gruber's brother
like comes and steals all thegold from the Federal Reserve
and then he's going to crash theeconomies with it.
There's something.
Maybe that's predictiveprogramming on some level, but
there's something happeningright now.
(05:26):
Everything is accelerating wherecountries are now having to
show their hand.
I think this is really the racefor the remonetization of fiat
currency, and I don't think itwill happen tomorrow, but I
think this is where they'resetting the stage.
There's an executive orderthat's just been signed by Trump
to create a sovereign wealthfund and that's using the assets
(05:48):
, resources of the United Statesin a sovereign wealth fund, and
I think that's to re-monetizeand to monetize the assets of
the United States against ourfiat currency, david.
Yeah, yeah, it is kind ofinteresting states against our
fiat currency.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
David, yeah, yeah, it is kind of interesting.
We started talking about thisand, of course, you know you
were concerned in the fall,because we're setting one all
time high after the other.
And it's like, yeah, what I'mworried about is maintaining
physical supply and, as you justpointed out, all of the things
that we were looking at for whygold would be going up and would
continue to go up, even with aTrump presidency.
You know everybody, as soon asTrump got president, he is
(06:28):
making a pivot towards, or justdoing a complete about face with
crypto.
As Biden was trying to outlawit, he was, he's going to
promote it.
And I said and so then everygold went down and crypto goes
sky high.
And I said, well, you know thisis.
The fundamentals have notchanged.
And you and I were both talkingabout that.
And and yet this is something,as you point out, nobody had
(06:49):
really thought about Are wegoing to finally have an
accounting as to where this goldis?
And it's not just Fort Knox,but they're.
They're bluffing on this in somany different areas.
I mean, all of thisrepatriation of gold is showing
that the London exchange isbluffing on it.
The Shanghai exchanges.
You know they run these ETFsand you can't actually demand
physical delivery of this gold.
(07:10):
They've got it there.
You know you don't actually ownthe gold.
You own shares in a companythat promises that they own that
gold, right.
So you can't take a contractand it's not like a commodity
contract.
You can't actually demanddelivery of that.
And so there's all thesedifferent things that are
happening, but they shake theconfidence of everybody in this
(07:31):
system, and maybe it's not totry to get the gold into Fort
Knox before anybody shows up tocount it.
Maybe it's just that everybody,as you point out, the sovereign
wealth fund everything.
Maybe everybody's just tryingto position themselves because
they're going to have to showtheir hands.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I think the whole world is.
But you know, fort Knox wouldonly have about half of what the
United States supposedly has.
It's a little over 4000 tonsthat are supposedly at Fort Knox
.
It's becoming more and morelikely that something's wrong
with that supply, thatsomething's been moved or there
isn't an accounting and somebodyis going to have a call to the
carpet for it.
If there is indeed an audit, Istill don't know that they will
(08:12):
have it.
I don't know if there'll beanother phone call.
You can't go in there and somewhoever is above Trump at this
point.
Let's hope.
Let's hope that they audit.
I'd like to see that.
But that's what's happening tothe rest of the world.
I mean China's central banksstill ordering massive amounts
of gold.
This month marks the lowestbuying of US treasuries and debt
(08:32):
by the Chinese since 2009.
Dedolarization continues tohappen rapidly.
I think that's really.
The trends are still there.
Everything is happening, maybebecause of the accelerated rate
of de-dollarization.
You're starting to see a lot oflike a flurry of things
happening on the Treasury sideof the United States and the
executive side just to maybeward off some sort of run on the
(08:57):
dollar.
The threat of tariffs reallycaused and maybe that was
intended, maybe it wasunintended, but the chaos thrown
into that, the wrench into thesystem, really is remarkable,
david.
I mean I've never seen anythinglike it.
And supply it's interesting andI've been retracing my steps
over the last 120 days.
(09:19):
We've been inundated buyingproduct from everyday people and
I still have Wolfpack and we'restrong with that on the lower
end of lower purchases.
But what I've noticed is likethe mid range purchases I don't
see as much anymore.
So I was buying more and moreand I'm selling to the trading
floor but the prices continue togo up.
And I talked to other dealersand I put out, you know, I just
(09:41):
said, hey, are you guys seeingthe same thing?
Most of the my anybody I'vecontacted said the same thing is
interesting the prices go up,people continue to sell, so
someone's buying and what I'mfiguring is that it is
institutional buyersinstitutions, countries,
multinationals, banks you knowthe banks they're buying,
(10:08):
they're buying and and I thinkit was.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Uh, jp morgan just moved over a four billion dollar
order.
Ruffles trae una promo perfectapara disfrutar la nfl.
Junta tres bolsas vacias.
Escanea las en whatsapp ypodrÃas participar para llevarte
un vaso botanero de la nfl.
Vive los partidos con toda laemoción y acompáñalos con them
with Ruffles and your newbotanical glass this season.
Ruffles.
Official sponsor of the NFL.
In effect on January 6th toFebruary 22nd 2025.
(10:32):
Bases and form of participationin Joy App.
The NFL and its teams areexempt from any responsibility
related to the execution of thecurrent promotion.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Eat well of gold and just I think that in the last 72
hours or so, and I don't knowif it's a single purchase or not
, but these are inflows ofphysical gold that are being
repurposed and allocated fortheir clients, and so this is
the massive moves on gettinginto physical precious metals,
(10:59):
and that's the game that theelites are playing, and the
average person, I think, ishurting in this economy and
having to sell, unfortunately,just to keep up with things.
But that's the game that we'rein right now is the race to get
assets.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
That's right.
Yeah, the average person isjust feeling the financial
pressure.
These other people are makingthese decisions.
But, you know, if you have the,if you have the ability to
invest in this stuff.
It's kind of remember that oldcommercial, ef Hutton.
You know, and EF Hutton talks,people listen, they would have
that all be in this crowdedrestaurant and some guy would
say, well, ef Hutton said, andall of a sudden everybody stops,
(11:36):
you know, and they all listento see what's going on.
It's kind of like Nancy Pelosi,what's she going to invest in
next?
You know, well, you see whatthese institutions are doing and
I think it's very telling Maybeit's part of this is the tariff
wars that are coming, but theChinese are demanding that the
insurance companies aresuggesting strongly suggesting
and allowing it, but stronglysuggesting that they do it that
(11:57):
they start accumulating gold inthe insurance companies, not
even telling them hey, we wantyou to buy government bonds in
China.
Or, you know, have certainreserves in cash.
No, we want you to buygovernment bonds in China.
Or, you know, have certainreserves in cash.
No, we want you to get it ingold.
You know very specific aboutthat.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Well, the Chinese had a gold strategy beginning at
the beginning of the 21stcentury, buying massive amounts
of gold off the books andsecretly, and I think this has
been part of their strategicplan for many, many years.
They you know.
What has Napoleon said aboutChina?
It's a sleeping dragon.
Best to let it sleep andslumber.
(12:33):
They've awakened.
I mean that was awakened in1972 with the opening of China.
Kissinger and Nixon.
Throughout the years, we handedthem over industry, most likely
related to the trilateralistplan to put all the
manufacturing assets andtechnology eastward.
And you look at the trade dealsand the WTO access and 90 days
(12:55):
after 9-11, we give the Chinesemost favored trading status and
we lost 55,000 factories and onein three manufacturing jobs.
I look at that.
And all those trade deficitsdon't go into a vacuum.
The trillions of dollars, theywent somewhere else and the
Chinese used those funds tobuild up their infrastructure in
cities.
They played economicnationalism.
(13:17):
They have 50% tariffs on a lotof incoming manufacturing items.
That way they protect theirhome markets.
They've been very strategicthat way, but gold has been a
mainstay and all the researchthat I've done there's no way to
really verify this.
But you look at somebody likeRobert Kiyosaki, who wrote Rich
Dad, Poor Dad.
He's been in the business ofgold and silver since the 70s
(13:39):
and he would go and he'd findsilver and gold mines.
He found one in China, had alot of investors, they hit a big
vein of gold.
It was going to be a massivesuccess and as soon as it came
time to put the miners to work,the Chinese did not renew his
lease.
They wouldn't allow him torenew his business license
either.
So they just took the mine andnationalized it.
(14:01):
They do that a lot.
That's something that theChinese they're for the gold.
They got 60,000 gold mines andit's hard to say how much gold
they have.
But let's say we have 8,000plus tons in the US.
I don't believe that.
But let's say we do the Chinesesupposedly with everything
that's private holdings andgovernment about, and nothing's
really private in China.
(14:21):
So if it's a big bank or acorporation, it's part of the
Chinese government.
Oh yeah, I would look at it.
They said that the number issomething like 16,000.
There's no way to verify that.
But they're a net importer, notexporter.
It's the energy that they'veput into commodities, the Belt
and Road initiatives, theirrelationships with Africa and
(14:42):
other mineral-rich nations.
This has been the strategy foryears and, as we see the endgame
and the march towards a resetfor fiat currency worldwide the
countries that hold the mostrare earth, minerals, precious
metals, assets and that's why Ithink we're talking about a
(15:04):
strategic reserve and asovereign wealth fund.
That is because the death offiat currency is upon us, and I
don't mean like it's going to goto zero.
The debt to GDP ratio is sounsustainable, David, you know
this.
We're at like 130 some oddpercent of debt to gdp, higher
than it was in world war ii.
(15:25):
It's like running and that's it.
And then technology at the sametime is making some things
deflation, harry and loweringcost.
It's hard for these governmentsto keep up.
They, you know their trick isalways to increase the money
supply, but so many things areskewed on their model and I
think technology and AI drives awedge into that, on top of the
(15:47):
fact that I think it's a race tothe bottom.
At this point, Nobody eventalks about fiscal
responsibility.
So there has to be and I thinkthis is where you look at the
World Economic Forum and some ofthose folks, the Klaus Schwabs
of the world.
They call it a great reset fora reason, and I think they've
run the simulations, at leastthe numbers on what happens to
(16:07):
the currency after it collapsesin some way, and that's why
commodities are, I think, theprize to governments right now,
especially gold.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well, and you know the insolvency and the high
debtGDP ratio, that's notsomething that's just American,
that's throughout the West, andso you know there's a lot of
countries that are having thiskind of issue and, of course,
we're seeing record prices ofgold in a lot of different
currencies it's not just the USdollar.
We've been able to print asmuch as we wanted and not have
(16:42):
the consequences that some othercountries have, and I think
that is what's coming to an endto a large degree, but it is
something that all of the Westhas basically kind of adopted to
one degree or the other, thatkind of let's just go into debt
and we'll just, you know, justfund jobs out of debt.
And I think it was a Zero Hedgearticle or something like that,
(17:03):
saying, yeah, for every dollarof GDP we've gone into $5 worth
of debt, or something like that.
It was crazy what is happeningand the rate of escalation of
this thing, and that isabsolutely not sustainable.
Got a couple of comments here.
Let's see.
This is from PCR Discover.
This is from PCR Discover.
(17:23):
Kerry Mullis, Tony, can youspeak to the path towards CBDC?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
with explanation of the ETF scams and stablecoin
schemes, please.
Well, I think we're still.
Cbdc is still on the table, bythe way.
I've not taken that off thetable, despite the executive
order and the language language.
It'll just be called somethingelse digitized control currency
is the future of governments andthat's what I think.
They're fighting history,they're fighting
(17:54):
decentralization and wherepeople are actually trending, I
mentioned earlier because oftechnology not everything, but
because of technology, somethings are deflationary, not
everything, but because oftechnology, some things are
deflationary, making things alot less costly.
So that kind of flies in theface of the Keynesian modern
monetary theory of continuallygoosing the economy by.
(18:15):
I think some of the metrics Iread was like $150 trillion
injected into the economy toproduce $46 trillion in GDP.
So these are diminishingreturns.
You don't get.
The Keynesian model doesn'twork.
So they're going to have somesort of plan.
There's a plan.
By the way, it's 96% ofcountries have a blueprint for
(18:37):
CBDC.
But whether it's the BIS or theWorld Bank with their unicorn
some unicorn is what it's calledthere's a path there to put
everybody on a digital gridsystem so they can control, they
can expand and contract themoney supply in real time and
there'll be a cashless societyand I don't know how it'll be
(18:58):
presented, but they'll use acrisis to implement it.
So I'm still very much on thelookout for these plans to
digitize.
And you know they may use a youmentioned earlier the stable
coins and other things.
They may use an in-run aroundit.
What was that ZygmuntBrzezinski about?
An in-run around sovereignty orwhatever he said back in the
(19:18):
70s like an in-run around.
I think that's what they'll dois use some sort of
public-private partnership witha stable coin or something like
that, or they'll come up withsomething because the currencies
will continue, especially thedollars, losing purchasing power
rapidly and we've never beenthrough this before.
So it's hard for me toprognosticate on what would be
(19:41):
the next step for the dollarwhen we've never seen the dollar
at 40% usage and belowworldwide.
We've never seen it drop in thepercentage held by central
banks or the Chinese stop buyingour debt or our treasuries.
We've never seen that.
So it's hard to plan on whatthat would look like.
But we're definitely not out ofthe woods at all over CBDC.
(20:05):
It'll just be called somethingelse.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And of course in the EU they don't care.
I mean, they're going to callit CBDC.
It's just like this defianceabout censoring people that you
see in the UK and see in Germanyand so forth.
Oh, it's a good thing, we loveit.
They're going to call it CBDCthere and they're going to
continue on with it.
As you point out, it'll becalled something else here in
(20:27):
the US.
And you know I talked earlierthis week about the roots of the
technocracy and how their dreamabout 100 years ago was to have
this large consolidation ofNorth America, you know, from
like Central America, panama,all the way up to Greenland,
including Canada, and to call itthe technate.
And central to that was alsothe idea that you would get rid
(20:49):
of currencies and that it wouldbe simply trading in energy.
Now, this was in the 1930s andof course we saw that about 40
years later.
That's what Kissinger kind ofmoved halfway through, I think,
with the petrodollar tying it toenergy in a sense through, I
think, with the petrodollartying it to energy in a sense.
And now you've got I just sawjust yesterday a coin telegraph
(21:14):
saying energy-backed currenciesare the key to climbing the
Kardashev scale.
And of course there's a Russianphilosopher back in the late
1960s who was they were lookingfor extraterrestrial life, and
so he was talking aboutcivilization, actually how
advanced the civilization was byhow they utilized energy, and,
of course, this is always whatthe technocracy focused on said
(21:37):
we need to have some kind ofenergy currency.
So when I look at all of this, Ilook at Elon Musk and the fact
that he wants a digital walletand he wants to be the WeChat
financial center and all this.
It looks to me like they'rekind of moving this way, and if
they want to reset the financialsystem, and if a part of all of
this auditing and chaos that ishappening with the Trump
(21:58):
administration, perhaps that isto completely reset the
financial system in this way,biden just said, hey, let's
completely redesign thefinancial system and we'll do it
in everybody's face and we'llcall it CBDC.
These guys may be doing it in adifferent way and it may be a
lot more powerful, but I don'tknow what do you think about
that?
That they might reorganize thisalong the lines of a hundred
(22:20):
percent energy thing instead ofdoing some kind of a petrodollar
.
They might just go with whatthe technocracy proposed a
century ago I think that's morelikely.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
they go after it in a backdoor kind of way, using
technology and using, and theycan try to make sense of that.
We can monetize energy.
We can use our sovereign wealthfund.
They're already starting that.
That's an executive order forthat.
They can monetize the assets ofthe United States and you
(22:52):
really have to at some point.
You have to do something withthe currency.
But the way that you would geteverybody into this surveillance
disguised as money right toquote Catherine Austin Fitz,
that's what you would do is youwould use a new system promising
stability with that technology.
But I don't trust you knowwe're talking about the
(23:14):
different factions.
You know they come at you indifferent ways, but it's the
same goal.
You know it's two wings of thesame bird, just different
strategies.
I mean the Harrisadministration very anti crypto.
But what was the first thingthat Biden did was order,
executive orders showing everyexecutive department to come
(23:35):
back and report on how theycould implement CBDC.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That's right, and the justification for it was that
we got to save energy.
Right, crypto is going to usetoo much energy, so we got to
come up with just a CBDC.
That'll be no proof of work,it'll just be proof of our
authority, and so we can saveenergy.
And so that was a justificationfor it.
Now, here you got these people,so they come up with this whole
strategy where they can surveiland control what you buy, and
(24:02):
they justify it on energy,saying that we've got to cut
down emissions and so forth.
But what if they just drop allthe emissions nonsense and say
you know all of this stuff thatwe've been predicting the sky is
falling now since the 1970s andit's not so, okay, never mind,
but we still need to have thatenergy thing.
And so, you know, they developall this stuff.
And then they just do a pivotover to it and say, yeah, we're
(24:23):
going to do the carbon taxes,but it isn't going to be to save
the universe, it's just goingto be because we need to come up
with a better basis for how wemeasure activity and how we
incentivize the right things.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I measure activity and how we incentivize the right
things.
I don't know.
It's much like OperationPaperclip.
You know it's like the samepeople.
It's like oh, now you gotWerner Von Braun was a Nazi, but
now he's on Disney.
You know it's like the samepeople.
It's the same ideology, justdifferent presentation,
different packaging.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
The rockets go up, the rockets come down.
It's not my concerns asWerernher von Braun, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
That's what it reminds me of, and it's the same
, a lot of this theinfrastructure, same people,
same belief systems.
Especially, do you think JeromePowell has changed his
viewpoints on the role of theFed?
Or the mission, or who actuallycontrols what?
I don't think so I mean a lotof the same.
Or the mission, or who actuallycontrols what?
I don't think so I mean a lotof the same.
Things are in place and we'regoing to learn a lot, hopefully
with some of these Doge audits,if that's even real.
(25:25):
I like to think that it is.
I like to see bureaucratsscream, I like to see people get
upset that somebody's lookingat where money goes, so I'm
happy with that.
But again, you have to be.
You know, this is where theleft right paradigm comes in and
you have to be very skepticaland cautious because just
because you cheer one sidedoesn't mean, or just because
you're happy that seeingsomething, some sort of
(25:47):
transparency, doesn't mean I'mjust cheering on everything that
the Trump Musk coalition'sdoing.
I think you have to beskeptical because behind that is
the technocracy.
Let's not forget that this isstill a great reset.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's right.
Even if all this stuff isgenuine, what is the real
purpose of what Musk is doing?
I mean, it is a big PR move forhim and, you know, creating
this reality distortion fieldaround him that is always there,
you know, to get the to take amajor faction.
He's creating politicalalliances everywhere.
This guy is the richest man inthe world because he's the best
(26:27):
politician that we've ever seenin our lifetime, because he's
able to schmooze the Chinese andevery other country that he
goes into completely by the USpresidency.
So he's able to do whatever hewants.
And if he presents himself outthere as a fiscal hero and you
know that's only going to helphim politically with all the
people who already think that hesaved free speech.
Got a couple of comments here.
E-pigeon the 17th says ifthere's no gold, trump might
(26:53):
just warp speed CBDC.
Yeah, who knows.
If they create a financialchaos or something and again you
know we're in the last fouryears of this fourth turning
most likely so if they've gotsome kind of a crisis and
they're ready to imposesomething, that might be their
ticket to do it.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
That would certainly kick off a crisis.
As I mentioned earlier I knowit's funny, but Die Hard 3, that
was the point of it they woulddo a head fake and say that the
gold was destroyed.
They cleaned out the FederalReserve Bank in New York.
That's where a lot of the Idon't know how much is actually
stored there.
It's all around the country,but it's very strategic.
Then they sink the economy.
(27:34):
That's what I think we'd belooking at.
If there was some transparencyand something's missing,
something's afoot, it wouldcause a financial shock around
the world.
We just always suppose, that'sthe supposition, that it's there
, but I've always thoughtthere's something wrong with it,
something wrong with our goldholdings.
Because if you look at thehistory of where the gold went
(27:55):
in 1933, david, if you go backand source it, it went to the
Bank of InternationalSettlements.
Large chunks of the Americanpeople turned in those gold
coins and all their US currencyat the time.
That went to.
It was melted and it was putinto bar form and it was sent to
Basel, switzerland.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Well, we got North American Household Post, says
I'm sure Fort Knox says,hundreds of tons of gold-plated
tungsten.
If not, they're probably tryingto get it on the market as soon
as they can.
Michael Pomeroy says a lot ofmy metal acquired over the last
three decades was by meetingpeople on Craigslist.
Unfortunately, this is now alldried up.
(28:37):
That's interesting, yeah yeah,that's.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
It's harder and harder.
Like the I, I know a thing ortwo about urban gold mining and,
uh, I think it's just harderand harder to verify any of that
stuff too.
You got to use a trusted dealerbecause there's so many good
fakes out there.
I can usually usually tellsomething's fake just by holding
it, but not always and that'snot how I verify anything.
(29:01):
I just usually know right offthe bat colorization, weight,
how it feels in my hand,something like that, because
I've been doing this so long.
But there is some really goodfakes so I would, especially if
something's too good to be true,like, hey, it's a 50% off gold
bar sale, yeah, okay, well, youknow, that's red flag number one
and you'll never.
If something is below spot orsomething like that, you know
something's really wrong.
(29:22):
So, people you know, be carefulof those bargains and things
that you find online.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, there's a comment from Mav2022.
Says China's been along thelines of what you're saying
there in China, the way theyhijacked that gold mine.
From Robert Kiyosawa.
He says they've been hijackinggold mines in Africa and South
America as well.
They just come in and take overthe mines.
Yeah, Part of the Belt and RoadInitiative.
I guess that's the gold buckleon their belt.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Well, that's the race .
You know the Chinese are veryaggressive about acquiring gold
and I think that when the timeis right and they'll start
dumping more US holdings.
De-dollarization is a threat.
It's a national security threat, unfortunately, and how that's
handled doesn't mean we have togo to war or something like that
.
I oppose that.
Something to make it veryattractive to do business in the
(30:16):
US, reset the strength of oureconomy, all that, and it's not
going to come by a funhousemirror version of economic
nationalism.
I support tariffs, but I do notsupport 100% tariffs on BRICS
nations who don't use the dollar.
I think there's better ways tostrengthen our economy and our
currency and you can't blamethose countries for wanting to
get off our system when weweaponize it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Oh yeah, absolutely yeah, just weaponize it in a
different way.
You know we're going toweaponize our currency with
tariffs and some other thingslike that.
And, of course, you know Trumpis not in as much of an
opposition to the globalists aspeople like to believe.
He said I'm going to reduce thecorporate taxes to 15%.
In other words, he's going tokeep the income taxes.
(30:57):
Folks, and where did that 15%come from?
Is it just a coincidence thatthe last meeting of the G7, they
all said we're not going tohave anyone do a corporate
income tax lower than 15%.
So he goes down to the lowestthreshold that they will allow
him, but he's not going tochallenge them by saying I'm
going to take it to 10% or I'mgoing to take it to 0%.
(31:18):
He's not going to do that.
So you know he's not theAmerica first warrior that
everybody seems to think he isWithin reason.
He's going to stay with theglobalist norms that they have
agreed to.
Tell us a bit about what ishappening with Bitcoin and your
ability to go back and forthbetween Bitcoin and gold without
(31:39):
any fees.
How's that coming along at WiseWolf?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
It's going great.
We've got the shopping cart setup.
If you go to davidknightgold,you hit the tab that says Join
Wolfpack and that's where youcan get our Wolfpack packages
starting at $35 for kids and allthe way up to $5,000.
We had a lot of people usingthat.
So if you've got Bitcoin andyou want to do some
(32:04):
profit-taking or just turn somecrypto into precious metals
physical precious metals we arethe first and only dealer in
America to not charge a fee forBitcoin.
We treat it as cash and that'sjust a symbiotic thing that
we're doing between my twooperations and I think that just
passes some savings onto ourcustomers and we're glad that we
(32:25):
can do that.
We use it and, of course, ifyou want to buy Bitcoin, you can
go through my company.
At this point we are set up todo that.
You can just reach out to usand put you on the right path If
it's a low amount or something,and we can always.
You know there might be someapps for you to do, but if you
want to purchase Bitcoin, youcan certainly go through us.
And then we've got Wolfpack'sreally strong right now.
(32:47):
We've got those people that canbudget out some precious metals
, and I know times are roughright now, but we got the way to
do that.
You know, from 50 the lone wolfall the way up to and goes past
into the two and three thousanddollar range and and beyond, um,
but people right in the usuallyright in the middle or so, uh,
and then you get gold.
You get to the 250 level.
You get, uh, uh, one gram goldbars.
(33:09):
And I put those uh, have onegram gold bars, uh for on as a,
as a section where you can buyand there's no fees and no
shipping, so it doesn't evenmatter, like we don't put credit
card fees at all on the onegram gold bars and there's free
shipping, even if you just buyone.
And we've got constitutionalwolf, which is all the.
(33:31):
We have so much 90% David, Ihave so much 90% silver.
We buy that because I pay sohigh for it.
People drive from all over tosell that to me, and so I've got
a lot of 90% silver pre-1965 UScoins and we call that
constitutional.
You can do that on a membershipor a one-time buy.
(33:51):
So, yeah, go check those out.
We've got some good deals goingon right now.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Well, that's great.
That's great and, again, Ireally do appreciate what you do
.
That is very different fromwhat other dealers do, the idea
that people can graduallyaccumulate this.
As you point out, times arerough and so people can
gradually start to get into this.
And you've got so manydifferent ways and innovative
programs really to appreciatewhat you do.
(34:15):
Tony and I've dealt with Tonyfor years and never had any
complaints with what we've hadwith him.
So thank you so much for whatyou do, thank you for your
support of the program, andyou've got a program that is
following ours right afterwards,right, are you doing that?
Today You're in Acapulco.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I'm going to do it, yeah, so come join to help me
with the show.
Everybody in the chat Give mesome stuff to talk about,
because the Wi-Fi is prettylimited here and I think I can't
have too many tabs open, so I'mgoing to have to go off my talk
that I did yesterday atAnarchapulco and I'll just
basically reiterate a lot of thestuff that you and I talked
about, but it'll be interesting.
You never know.
(34:50):
That's the Arterburn radiotransmission.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I'll be on Rumble on the America Unplugged channel
and Rockfin on the AmericaUnplugged.
Well, tell us real quicklybefore you go.
I mean, what is the theme thisyear?
And and arcapulco, uh, what,what are the?
What are they?
Speaker 3 (35:06):
looking at this year kind of briefly an overview.
Well, it's just, you know thefounder, jeff berwick.
He's been in in bitcoin sinceit was buying a bitcoin at a
dollar or so a long time.
He's been talking about thecollapse of the financial system
since you know, 09 and whathappened after the great
recession and tarp funds andeverything, and the.
You know his 09 and whathappened after the Great
Recession and TARP funds andeverything.
And you know he's got thedollar vigilante, which is, you
(35:27):
know, strategic research intohow you can best brace for the
collapse of the dollar.
And you know he's also beeninto development of
cryptocurrencies and otherthings.
And I think the theme aroundAnarchapulco is about freedom
and about free markets and howyou can best weather the storms
that are ahead.
(35:48):
And I think that everybodyagrees anybody looking at the
forecast of what's out there.
There's financial uncertainty,political uncertainty, social
unrest, all the things that are,I think, think baked into this.
Fourth turning, as youmentioned earlier, it's all on
the table and it's just you knowthe how we're creating
(36:08):
community around that.
So I've been sponsored the lastcouple of years.
I've been a sponsor and thenI've been a speaker.
I'm speaking again on Saturdayhere at another event that the
Jeff Moore is holding that JeffMoore was holding.
So just really about freedomand free markets and you know,
the sovereignty of theindividual and how you can best
help your community and bringingpeople together with different
(36:31):
skills.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I agree.
Yeah, everybody sees theproblems on the horizon.
One last quick question justcame up from DGA David.
Can you ask Tony if he, what hethinks Trump is doing in Gaza
would drive Saudi Arabia closerto BRICS and weaken or destroy
the US petrodollar?
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (36:52):
It's a great question because you have to really know
the inside baseball, the Houseof Saud's close ties to the
Israelis.
They go back a long, long wayin financial ties and Jared
Kushner, yeah, and Kushner, yeah, and the same people that you
know, the House of Rothschildthat supports both.
You know like they've had thesemajor financial interwoven ties
(37:16):
and so you would think on thesurface because of religion and
so on and so forth, but no,saudis work closely with the
Israelis and so that's hard tosay if some sort of plan in Gaza
with that kind of a Scooby-Doo,it's always the real estate
developer in Scooby-Doo, that'slike the bad guy.
(37:38):
So that's how I think about theGaza thing.
It's like trying to scarepeople out.
There's something, I think, thatwould have huge amounts of
blowback and maybe they couldn'teven outwardly support it.
There would be a problem, Ithink, in the region and the
petrodollar that's on its wayout, unfortunately for us,
(38:00):
because it's going to.
There's a lot of economic painat home, but I would pay close
attention to that.
I don't know how far theblowback would be, but it
wouldn't be zero and the SaudisI don't think could sit on the
sidelines.
That's a great question what itwould do.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, they came out in opposition to the idea.
You know they're not, they'renot down with the Trump casino,
but I don't know if you saw thatvideo that was put together.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
More than 18 holes out there.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
That's why that cracks me up every time I see it
.
But yeah, they're not down withthat idea.
But, as you point out, there'sthe backroom deals that they're
doing, which is a whole otherthing.
So publicly they would beinfuriated by it, but in reality
we don't really know whatthey're going to do.
But always great talking to you, tony and everybody, remember,
right after this program you canjoin Tony, find out what's
(38:49):
going on at Anarchapulco andother things and join in the
discussion.
Thank you so much, tony,appreciate it.
Thank you, dave.
Thank you, all right, folks,we're going to take a quick
break.
We'll be right back, that'sright.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
boys and girls, there's a post-election sale on
silver and gold.
Trump euphoria has caused a dipin silver and gold.
It's time to buy some metalswith fiat dollars before they
come to their sense.
Go to DavidKnightgold to get intouch with the wise wolf
(39:22):
himself, Tony Arterburn.
He knows where to look to findsilver and gold.
Yuck.
Ruffles brings you a perfect promo to enjoy the NFL.
Join three empty bags, scanthem on WhatsApp and you could
participate to get a NFL bottle.
Live the games with all theemotion and accompany them with
Ruffles and your new bottle thisseason Ruffles.
Official sponsor of the NFL.
In effect on January 6th toFebruary 22nd 2025.
(00:22):
Bases and form of participationin Joy App.
The NFL and its teams areexempt from any responsibility
related to the execution of thecurrent promotion Eat.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Joining us now is Tony Ardaban of Wise Wolf Gold,
and Tony has kindly set upDavidKnight Gold.
That'll take you to Wise Wolfand let him know that you came
through us.
But I want to talk to Tonyabout what's going on with the
Fort Knox issue.
I've been playing videos aboutthis goldfinger and all the rest
of this stuff.
We played videos about themissing gold and silver in 9-11,
(01:01):
and yet this is an ongoing taleand they're trying to
desperately bring gold back in.
I questioned the other day thisis something that you brought
up first about how there was alot of problems in London
because there was so much goldthat was being repatriated back
(01:21):
to the US.
So I kind of opened up thequestion could it possibly be
because they're worried thatthere's going to be an audit of
Fort Knox before they look?
What do you think is going onwith all this stuff?
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It is absolutely crazy and you know you go back
to the consequence of thiselection.
You and I spoke before November5th and we we have our opinions
on what was going to happenwith Harris, what would happen
with Trump.
None of this would be on thetable with Harris.
So there is this chaos agentaspect to this.
So all the fundamentals thatwere pushing gold to all time
highs still exist.
(01:53):
On top of now, we have theLondon exchanges and the vaults
being cleared out.
And the vaults being clearedout.
The number of gold ounces 12.5million ounces of gold being
repatriated from London to theUnited States.
40 million ounces of silver hasbeen repatriated, and that's
(02:15):
just London.
That's not the other vaultsaround the world that are
repatriating gold to the UnitedStates.
Something is afoot, david, andyou talk about chaos and
unintended consequences.
States.
Something is afoot, david, andyou talk about chaos and
unintended consequences.
Now you've got Arbor.
Herorius.
A Swiss gold manufacturer hasput massive premiums on gold
bars and even stopped some ofthe pre-sales of its product
(02:36):
because of dwindling supply.
This rupture between paper andphysical is happening faster
than I had predicted because Ithought they had a lot more time
.
But when you're talking aboutordering contracts to be
fulfilled and they have to makeon-time delivery to these big
multinationals and others.
It's really putting a strain onwhatever was happening behind
(02:58):
the scenes at the actualexchanges and bullion houses for
holding that paper gold.
Exchanges and bullion housesfor holding that paper gold.
When it comes to Fort Knox,though, this has long been in
the lore of gold bugs, thatsomething was wrong, that it's
been repatriated.
We don't ever see it.
There hasn't been an audit in70 years and I always just put
(03:18):
that on the back burner.
But now that all of this hascome out with Doge and Elon Musk
, it's interesting because youstart seeing Senator Mike Lee
pop up.
And then there's Senator RandPaul from Kentucky that's where
his home state and he says I'vebeen trying to access, just go
to Fort Knox for 10 years.
And so is Mike Lee and otherswho are popping up saying I
(03:38):
tried to go to Fort Knox.
Well, that's interestingbecause you know if you ever
have been in the military andone of the ways, if you are
having problem with your chainof command or something wrong,
you can always go to yourcongressman, you can go to your
senator, and a congressionalinquiry has a powerful effect on
the military, except for this.
So there's something, somethingI did not.
(03:59):
I did not know that they hadpurposely tried to access this,
without effect, and no one, Iguess, has there hasn't been any
said.
I'm a senator.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I did not know that they had purposely tried to
access this without effect, andno one, I guess, has there
hasn't been any.
They said I'm a senator.
They said I'm a senator and Isaid you still can't come.
So I guess you know themilitary.
Even if the military is undercivilian control there's a
question about that as well butif the military is under
civilian control and by that Idon't mean the CIA but the
politicians it appears that FortKnox is not under civilian
(04:29):
control at all.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's going to be interesting to see what
treatment Trump gets ifsomething even moves on that, if
he gets a call and says youcan't look, you know, it's
really a.
I was talking yesterday.
I had a.
I spoke at Anarchapoco.
I'm in Anarchapoco, mexico,right now, in case you get,
behind me is the Pacific Ocean,in case you can't see it.
(05:05):
I was there yesterday and I wasspeaking on this and the chaos
that's been caused and about,you know, the gold shortages and
who actually controls the8,000-plus tons of gold that the
United States supposedly had.
And I got to speaking and itwas somebody off stage and we
started to think well, this isreally like the plot to to Die
Hard three.
You know, you go back in the90s when Hans Gruber's brother
like comes and steals all thegold from the Federal Reserve
and then he's going to crash theeconomies with it.
There's something.
Maybe that's predictiveprogramming on some level, but
there's something happeningright now.
(05:26):
Everything is accelerating wherecountries are now having to
show their hand.
I think this is really the racefor the remonetization of fiat
currency, and I don't think itwill happen tomorrow, but I
think this is where they'resetting the stage.
There's an executive orderthat's just been signed by Trump
to create a sovereign wealthfund and that's using the assets
(05:48):
, resources of the United Statesin a sovereign wealth fund, and
I think that's to re-monetizeand to monetize the assets of
the United States against ourfiat currency, david.
Yeah, yeah, it is kind ofinteresting states against our
fiat currency.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
David, yeah, yeah, it is kind of interesting.
We started talking about thisand, of course, you know you
were concerned in the fall,because we're setting one all
time high after the other.
And it's like, yeah, what I'mworried about is maintaining
physical supply and, as you justpointed out, all of the things
that we were looking at for whygold would be going up and would
continue to go up, even with aTrump presidency.
You know everybody, as soon asTrump got president, he is
(06:28):
making a pivot towards, or justdoing a complete about face with
crypto.
As Biden was trying to outlawit, he was, he's going to
promote it.
And I said and so then everygold went down and crypto goes
sky high.
And I said, well, you know thisis.
The fundamentals have notchanged.
And you and I were both talkingabout that.
And and yet this is something,as you point out, nobody had
(06:49):
really thought about Are wegoing to finally have an
accounting as to where this goldis?
And it's not just Fort Knox,but they're.
They're bluffing on this in somany different areas.
I mean, all of thisrepatriation of gold is showing
that the London exchange isbluffing on it.
The Shanghai exchanges.
You know they run these ETFsand you can't actually demand
physical delivery of this gold.
(07:10):
They've got it there.
You know you don't actually ownthe gold.
You own shares in a companythat promises that they own that
gold, right.
So you can't take a contractand it's not like a commodity
contract.
You can't actually demanddelivery of that.
And so there's all thesedifferent things that are
happening, but they shake theconfidence of everybody in this
(07:31):
system, and maybe it's not totry to get the gold into Fort
Knox before anybody shows up tocount it.
Maybe it's just that everybody,as you point out, the sovereign
wealth fund everything.
Maybe everybody's just tryingto position themselves because
they're going to have to showtheir hands.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I think the whole world is.
But you know, fort Knox wouldonly have about half of what the
United States supposedly has.
It's a little over 4000 tonsthat are supposedly at Fort Knox
.
It's becoming more and morelikely that something's wrong
with that supply, thatsomething's been moved or there
isn't an accounting and somebodyis going to have a call to the
carpet for it.
If there is indeed an audit, Istill don't know that they will
(08:12):
have it.
I don't know if there'll beanother phone call.
You can't go in there and somewhoever is above Trump at this
point.
Let's hope.
Let's hope that they audit.
I'd like to see that.
But that's what's happening tothe rest of the world.
I mean China's central banksstill ordering massive amounts
of gold.
This month marks the lowestbuying of US treasuries and debt
(08:32):
by the Chinese since 2009.
Dedolarization continues tohappen rapidly.
I think that's really.
The trends are still there.
Everything is happening, maybebecause of the accelerated rate
of de-dollarization.
You're starting to see a lot oflike a flurry of things
happening on the Treasury sideof the United States and the
executive side just to maybeward off some sort of run on the
(08:57):
dollar.
The threat of tariffs reallycaused and maybe that was
intended, maybe it wasunintended, but the chaos thrown
into that, the wrench into thesystem, really is remarkable,
david.
I mean I've never seen anythinglike it.
And supply it's interesting andI've been retracing my steps
over the last 120 days.
(09:19):
We've been inundated buyingproduct from everyday people and
I still have Wolfpack and we'restrong with that on the lower
end of lower purchases.
But what I've noticed is likethe mid range purchases I don't
see as much anymore.
So I was buying more and moreand I'm selling to the trading
floor but the prices continue togo up.
And I talked to other dealersand I put out, you know, I just
(09:41):
said, hey, are you guys seeingthe same thing?
Most of the my anybody I'vecontacted said the same thing is
interesting the prices go up,people continue to sell, so
someone's buying and what I'mfiguring is that it is
institutional buyersinstitutions, countries,
multinationals, banks you knowthe banks they're buying,
(10:08):
they're buying and and I thinkit was.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Uh, jp morgan just moved over a four billion dollar
order.
Ruffles trae una promo perfectapara disfrutar la nfl.
Junta tres bolsas vacias.
Escanea las en whatsapp ypodrÃas participar para llevarte
un vaso botanero de la nfl.
Vive los partidos con toda laemoción y acompáñalos con them
with Ruffles and your newbotanical glass this season.
Ruffles.
Official sponsor of the NFL.
In effect on January 6th toFebruary 22nd 2025.
(10:32):
Bases and form of participationin Joy App.
The NFL and its teams areexempt from any responsibility
related to the execution of thecurrent promotion.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Eat well of gold and just I think that in the last 72
hours or so, and I don't knowif it's a single purchase or not
, but these are inflows ofphysical gold that are being
repurposed and allocated fortheir clients, and so this is
the massive moves on gettinginto physical precious metals,
(10:59):
and that's the game that theelites are playing, and the
average person, I think, ishurting in this economy and
having to sell, unfortunately,just to keep up with things.
But that's the game that we'rein right now is the race to get
assets.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
That's right.
Yeah, the average person isjust feeling the financial
pressure.
These other people are makingthese decisions.
But, you know, if you have the,if you have the ability to
invest in this stuff.
It's kind of remember that oldcommercial, ef Hutton.
You know, and EF Hutton talks,people listen, they would have
that all be in this crowdedrestaurant and some guy would
say, well, ef Hutton said, andall of a sudden everybody stops,
(11:36):
you know, and they all listento see what's going on.
It's kind of like Nancy Pelosi,what's she going to invest in
next?
You know, well, you see whatthese institutions are doing and
I think it's very telling Maybeit's part of this is the tariff
wars that are coming, but theChinese are demanding that the
insurance companies aresuggesting strongly suggesting
and allowing it, but stronglysuggesting that they do it that
(11:57):
they start accumulating gold inthe insurance companies, not
even telling them hey, we wantyou to buy government bonds in
China.
Or, you know, have certainreserves in cash.
No, we want you to buygovernment bonds in China.
Or, you know, have certainreserves in cash.
No, we want you to get it ingold.
You know very specific aboutthat.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Well, the Chinese had a gold strategy beginning at
the beginning of the 21stcentury, buying massive amounts
of gold off the books andsecretly, and I think this has
been part of their strategicplan for many, many years.
They you know.
What has Napoleon said aboutChina?
It's a sleeping dragon.
Best to let it sleep andslumber.
(12:33):
They've awakened.
I mean that was awakened in1972 with the opening of China.
Kissinger and Nixon.
Throughout the years, we handedthem over industry, most likely
related to the trilateralistplan to put all the
manufacturing assets andtechnology eastward.
And you look at the trade dealsand the WTO access and 90 days
(12:55):
after 9-11, we give the Chinesemost favored trading status and
we lost 55,000 factories and onein three manufacturing jobs.
I look at that.
And all those trade deficitsdon't go into a vacuum.
The trillions of dollars, theywent somewhere else and the
Chinese used those funds tobuild up their infrastructure in
cities.
They played economicnationalism.
(13:17):
They have 50% tariffs on a lotof incoming manufacturing items.
That way they protect theirhome markets.
They've been very strategicthat way, but gold has been a
mainstay and all the researchthat I've done there's no way to
really verify this.
But you look at somebody likeRobert Kiyosaki, who wrote Rich
Dad, Poor Dad.
He's been in the business ofgold and silver since the 70s
(13:39):
and he would go and he'd findsilver and gold mines.
He found one in China, had alot of investors, they hit a big
vein of gold.
It was going to be a massivesuccess and as soon as it came
time to put the miners to work,the Chinese did not renew his
lease.
They wouldn't allow him torenew his business license
either.
So they just took the mine andnationalized it.
(14:01):
They do that a lot.
That's something that theChinese they're for the gold.
They got 60,000 gold mines andit's hard to say how much gold
they have.
But let's say we have 8,000plus tons in the US.
I don't believe that.
But let's say we do the Chinesesupposedly with everything
that's private holdings andgovernment about, and nothing's
really private in China.
(14:21):
So if it's a big bank or acorporation, it's part of the
Chinese government.
Oh yeah, I would look at it.
They said that the number issomething like 16,000.
There's no way to verify that.
But they're a net importer, notexporter.
It's the energy that they'veput into commodities, the Belt
and Road initiatives, theirrelationships with Africa and
(14:42):
other mineral-rich nations.
This has been the strategy foryears and, as we see the endgame
and the march towards a resetfor fiat currency worldwide the
countries that hold the mostrare earth, minerals, precious
metals, assets and that's why Ithink we're talking about a
(15:04):
strategic reserve and asovereign wealth fund.
That is because the death offiat currency is upon us, and I
don't mean like it's going to goto zero.
The debt to GDP ratio is sounsustainable, David, you know
this.
We're at like 130 some oddpercent of debt to gdp, higher
than it was in world war ii.
(15:25):
It's like running and that's it.
And then technology at the sametime is making some things
deflation, harry and loweringcost.
It's hard for these governmentsto keep up.
They, you know their trick isalways to increase the money
supply, but so many things areskewed on their model and I
think technology and AI drives awedge into that, on top of the
(15:47):
fact that I think it's a race tothe bottom.
At this point, Nobody eventalks about fiscal
responsibility.
So there has to be and I thinkthis is where you look at the
World Economic Forum and some ofthose folks, the Klaus Schwabs
of the world.
They call it a great reset fora reason, and I think they've
run the simulations, at leastthe numbers on what happens to
(16:07):
the currency after it collapsesin some way, and that's why
commodities are, I think, theprize to governments right now,
especially gold.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well, and you know the insolvency and the high
debtGDP ratio, that's notsomething that's just American,
that's throughout the West, andso you know there's a lot of
countries that are having thiskind of issue and, of course,
we're seeing record prices ofgold in a lot of different
currencies it's not just the USdollar.
We've been able to print asmuch as we wanted and not have
(16:42):
the consequences that some othercountries have, and I think
that is what's coming to an endto a large degree, but it is
something that all of the Westhas basically kind of adopted to
one degree or the other, thatkind of let's just go into debt
and we'll just, you know, justfund jobs out of debt.
And I think it was a Zero Hedgearticle or something like that,
(17:03):
saying, yeah, for every dollarof GDP we've gone into $5 worth
of debt, or something like that.
It was crazy what is happeningand the rate of escalation of
this thing, and that isabsolutely not sustainable.
Got a couple of comments here.
Let's see.
This is from PCR Discover.
This is from PCR Discover.
(17:23):
Kerry Mullis, Tony, can youspeak to the path towards CBDC?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
with explanation of the ETF scams and stablecoin
schemes, please.
Well, I think we're still.
Cbdc is still on the table, bythe way.
I've not taken that off thetable, despite the executive
order and the language language.
It'll just be called somethingelse digitized control currency
is the future of governments andthat's what I think.
They're fighting history,they're fighting
(17:54):
decentralization and wherepeople are actually trending, I
mentioned earlier because oftechnology not everything, but
because of technology, somethings are deflationary, not
everything, but because oftechnology, some things are
deflationary, making things alot less costly.
So that kind of flies in theface of the Keynesian modern
monetary theory of continuallygoosing the economy by.
(18:15):
I think some of the metrics Iread was like $150 trillion
injected into the economy toproduce $46 trillion in GDP.
So these are diminishingreturns.
You don't get.
The Keynesian model doesn'twork.
So they're going to have somesort of plan.
There's a plan.
By the way, it's 96% ofcountries have a blueprint for
(18:37):
CBDC.
But whether it's the BIS or theWorld Bank with their unicorn
some unicorn is what it's calledthere's a path there to put
everybody on a digital gridsystem so they can control, they
can expand and contract themoney supply in real time and
there'll be a cashless societyand I don't know how it'll be
(18:58):
presented, but they'll use acrisis to implement it.
So I'm still very much on thelookout for these plans to
digitize.
And you know they may use a youmentioned earlier the stable
coins and other things.
They may use an in-run aroundit.
What was that ZygmuntBrzezinski about?
An in-run around sovereignty orwhatever he said back in the
(19:18):
70s like an in-run around.
I think that's what they'll dois use some sort of
public-private partnership witha stable coin or something like
that, or they'll come up withsomething because the currencies
will continue, especially thedollars, losing purchasing power
rapidly and we've never beenthrough this before.
So it's hard for me toprognosticate on what would be
(19:41):
the next step for the dollarwhen we've never seen the dollar
at 40% usage and belowworldwide.
We've never seen it drop in thepercentage held by central
banks or the Chinese stop buyingour debt or our treasuries.
We've never seen that.
So it's hard to plan on whatthat would look like.
But we're definitely not out ofthe woods at all over CBDC.
(20:05):
It'll just be called somethingelse.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And of course in the EU they don't care.
I mean, they're going to callit CBDC.
It's just like this defianceabout censoring people that you
see in the UK and see in Germanyand so forth.
Oh, it's a good thing, we loveit.
They're going to call it CBDCthere and they're going to
continue on with it.
As you point out, it'll becalled something else here in
(20:27):
the US.
And you know I talked earlierthis week about the roots of the
technocracy and how their dreamabout 100 years ago was to have
this large consolidation ofNorth America, you know, from
like Central America, panama,all the way up to Greenland,
including Canada, and to call itthe technate.
And central to that was alsothe idea that you would get rid
(20:49):
of currencies and that it wouldbe simply trading in energy.
Now, this was in the 1930s andof course we saw that about 40
years later.
That's what Kissinger kind ofmoved halfway through, I think,
with the petrodollar tying it toenergy in a sense through, I
think, with the petrodollartying it to energy in a sense.
And now you've got I just sawjust yesterday a coin telegraph
(21:14):
saying energy-backed currenciesare the key to climbing the
Kardashev scale.
And of course there's a Russianphilosopher back in the late
1960s who was they were lookingfor extraterrestrial life, and
so he was talking aboutcivilization, actually how
advanced the civilization was byhow they utilized energy, and,
of course, this is always whatthe technocracy focused on said
(21:37):
we need to have some kind ofenergy currency.
So when I look at all of this, Ilook at Elon Musk and the fact
that he wants a digital walletand he wants to be the WeChat
financial center and all this.
It looks to me like they'rekind of moving this way, and if
they want to reset the financialsystem, and if a part of all of
this auditing and chaos that ishappening with the Trump
(21:58):
administration, perhaps that isto completely reset the
financial system in this way,biden just said, hey, let's
completely redesign thefinancial system and we'll do it
in everybody's face and we'llcall it CBDC.
These guys may be doing it in adifferent way and it may be a
lot more powerful, but I don'tknow what do you think about
that?
That they might reorganize thisalong the lines of a hundred
(22:20):
percent energy thing instead ofdoing some kind of a petrodollar
.
They might just go with whatthe technocracy proposed a
century ago I think that's morelikely.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
they go after it in a backdoor kind of way, using
technology and using, and theycan try to make sense of that.
We can monetize energy.
We can use our sovereign wealthfund.
They're already starting that.
That's an executive order forthat.
They can monetize the assets ofthe United States and you
(22:52):
really have to at some point.
You have to do something withthe currency.
But the way that you would geteverybody into this surveillance
disguised as money right toquote Catherine Austin Fitz,
that's what you would do is youwould use a new system promising
stability with that technology.
But I don't trust you knowwe're talking about the
(23:14):
different factions.
You know they come at you indifferent ways, but it's the
same goal.
You know it's two wings of thesame bird, just different
strategies.
I mean the Harrisadministration very anti crypto.
But what was the first thingthat Biden did was order,
executive orders showing everyexecutive department to come
(23:35):
back and report on how theycould implement CBDC.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That's right, and the justification for it was that
we got to save energy.
Right, crypto is going to usetoo much energy, so we got to
come up with just a CBDC.
That'll be no proof of work,it'll just be proof of our
authority, and so we can saveenergy.
And so that was a justificationfor it.
Now, here you got these people,so they come up with this whole
strategy where they can surveiland control what you buy, and
(24:02):
they justify it on energy,saying that we've got to cut
down emissions and so forth.
But what if they just drop allthe emissions nonsense and say
you know all of this stuff thatwe've been predicting the sky is
falling now since the 1970s andit's not so, okay, never mind,
but we still need to have thatenergy thing.
And so, you know, they developall this stuff.
And then they just do a pivotover to it and say, yeah, we're
(24:23):
going to do the carbon taxes,but it isn't going to be to save
the universe, it's just goingto be because we need to come up
with a better basis for how wemeasure activity and how we
incentivize the right things.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I measure activity and how we incentivize the right
things.
I don't know.
It's much like OperationPaperclip.
You know it's like the samepeople.
It's like oh, now you gotWerner Von Braun was a Nazi, but
now he's on Disney.
You know it's like the samepeople.
It's the same ideology, justdifferent presentation,
different packaging.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
The rockets go up, the rockets come down.
It's not my concerns asWerernher von Braun, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
That's what it reminds me of, and it's the same
, a lot of this theinfrastructure, same people,
same belief systems.
Especially, do you think JeromePowell has changed his
viewpoints on the role of theFed?
Or the mission, or who actuallycontrols what?
I don't think so I mean a lotof the same.
Or the mission, or who actuallycontrols what?
I don't think so I mean a lotof the same.
Things are in place and we'regoing to learn a lot, hopefully
with some of these Doge audits,if that's even real.
(25:25):
I like to think that it is.
I like to see bureaucratsscream, I like to see people get
upset that somebody's lookingat where money goes, so I'm
happy with that.
But again, you have to be.
You know, this is where theleft right paradigm comes in and
you have to be very skepticaland cautious because just
because you cheer one sidedoesn't mean, or just because
you're happy that seeingsomething, some sort of
(25:47):
transparency, doesn't mean I'mjust cheering on everything that
the Trump Musk coalition'sdoing.
I think you have to beskeptical because behind that is
the technocracy.
Let's not forget that this isstill a great reset.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's right.
Even if all this stuff isgenuine, what is the real
purpose of what Musk is doing?
I mean, it is a big PR move forhim and, you know, creating
this reality distortion fieldaround him that is always there,
you know, to get the to take amajor faction.
He's creating politicalalliances everywhere.
This guy is the richest man inthe world because he's the best
(26:27):
politician that we've ever seenin our lifetime, because he's
able to schmooze the Chinese andevery other country that he
goes into completely by the USpresidency.
So he's able to do whatever hewants.
And if he presents himself outthere as a fiscal hero and you
know that's only going to helphim politically with all the
people who already think that hesaved free speech.
Got a couple of comments here.
E-pigeon the 17th says ifthere's no gold, trump might
(26:53):
just warp speed CBDC.
Yeah, who knows.
If they create a financialchaos or something and again you
know we're in the last fouryears of this fourth turning
most likely so if they've gotsome kind of a crisis and
they're ready to imposesomething, that might be their
ticket to do it.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
That would certainly kick off a crisis.
As I mentioned earlier I knowit's funny, but Die Hard 3, that
was the point of it they woulddo a head fake and say that the
gold was destroyed.
They cleaned out the FederalReserve Bank in New York.
That's where a lot of the Idon't know how much is actually
stored there.
It's all around the country,but it's very strategic.
Then they sink the economy.
(27:34):
That's what I think we'd belooking at.
If there was some transparencyand something's missing,
something's afoot, it wouldcause a financial shock around
the world.
We just always suppose, that'sthe supposition, that it's there
, but I've always thoughtthere's something wrong with it,
something wrong with our goldholdings.
Because if you look at thehistory of where the gold went
(27:55):
in 1933, david, if you go backand source it, it went to the
Bank of InternationalSettlements.
Large chunks of the Americanpeople turned in those gold
coins and all their US currencyat the time.
That went to.
It was melted and it was putinto bar form and it was sent to
Basel, switzerland.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Well, we got North American Household Post, says
I'm sure Fort Knox says,hundreds of tons of gold-plated
tungsten.
If not, they're probably tryingto get it on the market as soon
as they can.
Michael Pomeroy says a lot ofmy metal acquired over the last
three decades was by meetingpeople on Craigslist.
Unfortunately, this is now alldried up.
(28:37):
That's interesting, yeah yeah,that's.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
It's harder and harder.
Like the I, I know a thing ortwo about urban gold mining and,
uh, I think it's just harderand harder to verify any of that
stuff too.
You got to use a trusted dealerbecause there's so many good
fakes out there.
I can usually usually tellsomething's fake just by holding
it, but not always and that'snot how I verify anything.
(29:01):
I just usually know right offthe bat colorization, weight,
how it feels in my hand,something like that, because
I've been doing this so long.
But there is some really goodfakes so I would, especially if
something's too good to be true,like, hey, it's a 50% off gold
bar sale, yeah, okay, well, youknow, that's red flag number one
and you'll never.
If something is below spot orsomething like that, you know
something's really wrong.
(29:22):
So, people you know, be carefulof those bargains and things
that you find online.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, there's a comment from Mav2022.
Says China's been along thelines of what you're saying
there in China, the way theyhijacked that gold mine.
From Robert Kiyosawa.
He says they've been hijackinggold mines in Africa and South
America as well.
They just come in and take overthe mines.
Yeah, Part of the Belt and RoadInitiative.
I guess that's the gold buckleon their belt.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Well, that's the race .
You know the Chinese are veryaggressive about acquiring gold
and I think that when the timeis right and they'll start
dumping more US holdings.
De-dollarization is a threat.
It's a national security threat, unfortunately, and how that's
handled doesn't mean we have togo to war or something like that
.
I oppose that.
Something to make it veryattractive to do business in the
(30:16):
US, reset the strength of oureconomy, all that, and it's not
going to come by a funhousemirror version of economic
nationalism.
I support tariffs, but I do notsupport 100% tariffs on BRICS
nations who don't use the dollar.
I think there's better ways tostrengthen our economy and our
currency and you can't blamethose countries for wanting to
get off our system when weweaponize it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Oh yeah, absolutely yeah, just weaponize it in a
different way.
You know we're going toweaponize our currency with
tariffs and some other thingslike that.
And, of course, you know Trumpis not in as much of an
opposition to the globalists aspeople like to believe.
He said I'm going to reduce thecorporate taxes to 15%.
In other words, he's going tokeep the income taxes.
(30:57):
Folks, and where did that 15%come from?
Is it just a coincidence thatthe last meeting of the G7, they
all said we're not going tohave anyone do a corporate
income tax lower than 15%.
So he goes down to the lowestthreshold that they will allow
him, but he's not going tochallenge them by saying I'm
going to take it to 10% or I'mgoing to take it to 0%.
(31:18):
He's not going to do that.
So you know he's not theAmerica first warrior that
everybody seems to think he isWithin reason.
He's going to stay with theglobalist norms that they have
agreed to.
Tell us a bit about what ishappening with Bitcoin and your
ability to go back and forthbetween Bitcoin and gold without
(31:39):
any fees.
How's that coming along at WiseWolf?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
It's going great.
We've got the shopping cart setup.
If you go to davidknightgold,you hit the tab that says Join
Wolfpack and that's where youcan get our Wolfpack packages
starting at $35 for kids and allthe way up to $5,000.
We had a lot of people usingthat.
So if you've got Bitcoin andyou want to do some
(32:04):
profit-taking or just turn somecrypto into precious metals
physical precious metals we arethe first and only dealer in
America to not charge a fee forBitcoin.
We treat it as cash and that'sjust a symbiotic thing that
we're doing between my twooperations and I think that just
passes some savings onto ourcustomers and we're glad that we
(32:25):
can do that.
We use it and, of course, ifyou want to buy Bitcoin, you can
go through my company.
At this point we are set up todo that.
You can just reach out to usand put you on the right path If
it's a low amount or something,and we can always.
You know there might be someapps for you to do, but if you
want to purchase Bitcoin, youcan certainly go through us.
And then we've got Wolfpack'sreally strong right now.
(32:47):
We've got those people that canbudget out some precious metals
, and I know times are roughright now, but we got the way to
do that.
You know, from 50 the lone wolfall the way up to and goes past
into the two and three thousanddollar range and and beyond, um,
but people right in the usuallyright in the middle or so, uh,
and then you get gold.
You get to the 250 level.
You get, uh, uh, one gram goldbars.
(33:09):
And I put those uh, have onegram gold bars, uh for on as a,
as a section where you can buyand there's no fees and no
shipping, so it doesn't evenmatter, like we don't put credit
card fees at all on the onegram gold bars and there's free
shipping, even if you just buyone.
And we've got constitutionalwolf, which is all the.
(33:31):
We have so much 90% David, Ihave so much 90% silver.
We buy that because I pay sohigh for it.
People drive from all over tosell that to me, and so I've got
a lot of 90% silver pre-1965 UScoins and we call that
constitutional.
You can do that on a membershipor a one-time buy.
(33:51):
So, yeah, go check those out.
We've got some good deals goingon right now.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Well, that's great.
That's great and, again, Ireally do appreciate what you do
.
That is very different fromwhat other dealers do, the idea
that people can graduallyaccumulate this.
As you point out, times arerough and so people can
gradually start to get into this.
And you've got so manydifferent ways and innovative
programs really to appreciatewhat you do.
(34:15):
Tony and I've dealt with Tonyfor years and never had any
complaints with what we've hadwith him.
So thank you so much for whatyou do, thank you for your
support of the program, andyou've got a program that is
following ours right afterwards,right, are you doing that?
Today You're in Acapulco.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I'm going to do it, yeah, so come join to help me
with the show.
Everybody in the chat Give mesome stuff to talk about,
because the Wi-Fi is prettylimited here and I think I can't
have too many tabs open, so I'mgoing to have to go off my talk
that I did yesterday atAnarchapulco and I'll just
basically reiterate a lot of thestuff that you and I talked
about, but it'll be interesting.
You never know.
(34:50):
That's the Arterburn radiotransmission.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I'll be on Rumble on the America Unplugged channel
and Rockfin on the AmericaUnplugged.
Well, tell us real quicklybefore you go.
I mean, what is the theme thisyear?
And and arcapulco, uh, what,what are the?
What are they?
Speaker 3 (35:06):
looking at this year kind of briefly an overview.
Well, it's just, you know thefounder, jeff berwick.
He's been in in bitcoin sinceit was buying a bitcoin at a
dollar or so a long time.
He's been talking about thecollapse of the financial system
since you know, 09 and whathappened after the great
recession and tarp funds andeverything, and the.
You know his 09 and whathappened after the Great
Recession and TARP funds andeverything.
And you know he's got thedollar vigilante, which is, you
(35:27):
know, strategic research intohow you can best brace for the
collapse of the dollar.
And you know he's also beeninto development of
cryptocurrencies and otherthings.
And I think the theme aroundAnarchapulco is about freedom
and about free markets and howyou can best weather the storms
that are ahead.
(35:48):
And I think that everybodyagrees anybody looking at the
forecast of what's out there.
There's financial uncertainty,political uncertainty, social
unrest, all the things that are,I think, think baked into this.
Fourth turning, as youmentioned earlier, it's all on
the table and it's just you knowthe how we're creating
(36:08):
community around that.
So I've been sponsored the lastcouple of years.
I've been a sponsor and thenI've been a speaker.
I'm speaking again on Saturdayhere at another event that the
Jeff Moore is holding that JeffMoore was holding.
So just really about freedomand free markets and you know,
the sovereignty of theindividual and how you can best
help your community and bringingpeople together with different
(36:31):
skills.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I agree.
Yeah, everybody sees theproblems on the horizon.
One last quick question justcame up from DGA David.
Can you ask Tony if he, what hethinks Trump is doing in Gaza
would drive Saudi Arabia closerto BRICS and weaken or destroy
the US petrodollar?
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (36:52):
It's a great question because you have to really know
the inside baseball, the Houseof Saud's close ties to the
Israelis.
They go back a long, long wayin financial ties and Jared
Kushner, yeah, and Kushner, yeah, and the same people that you
know, the House of Rothschildthat supports both.
You know like they've had thesemajor financial interwoven ties
(37:16):
and so you would think on thesurface because of religion and
so on and so forth, but no,saudis work closely with the
Israelis and so that's hard tosay if some sort of plan in Gaza
with that kind of a Scooby-Doo,it's always the real estate
developer in Scooby-Doo, that'slike the bad guy.
(37:38):
So that's how I think about theGaza thing.
It's like trying to scarepeople out.
There's something, I think, thatwould have huge amounts of
blowback and maybe they couldn'teven outwardly support it.
There would be a problem, Ithink, in the region and the
petrodollar that's on its wayout, unfortunately for us,
(38:00):
because it's going to.
There's a lot of economic painat home, but I would pay close
attention to that.
I don't know how far theblowback would be, but it
wouldn't be zero and the SaudisI don't think could sit on the
sidelines.
That's a great question what itwould do.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, they came out in opposition to the idea.
You know they're not, they'renot down with the Trump casino,
but I don't know if you saw thatvideo that was put together.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
More than 18 holes out there.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
That's why that cracks me up every time I see it
.
But yeah, they're not down withthat idea.
But, as you point out, there'sthe backroom deals that they're
doing, which is a whole otherthing.
So publicly they would beinfuriated by it, but in reality
we don't really know whatthey're going to do.
But always great talking to you, tony and everybody, remember,
right after this program you canjoin Tony, find out what's
(38:49):
going on at Anarchapulco andother things and join in the
discussion.
Thank you so much, tony,appreciate it.
Thank you, dave.
Thank you, all right, folks,we're going to take a quick
break.
We'll be right back, that'sright.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
boys and girls, there's a post-election sale on
silver and gold.
Trump euphoria has caused a dipin silver and gold.
It's time to buy some metalswith fiat dollars before they
come to their sense.
Go to DavidKnightgold to get intouch with the wise wolf
(39:22):
himself, Tony Arterburn.
He knows where to look to findsilver and gold.
Yuck.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.