May 18, 2025 • 19 mins
The Writers Hangout Podcast is all ears! In today’s episode, we delve into the latest updates on Elisabeth Finch through the insights of Camilla Luddington and Jessica Capshaw, beloved actors from the iconic medical drama "Grey's Anatomy." Capshaw beautifully portrayed Dr. Arizona Robbins, while Luddington shines as Dr. Josephine "Jo" Wilson. Together, they also co-host the charming podcast "Call It What It Is," where they share valuable life lessons, talk about friendships, and touch on various engaging topics, including Elisabeth Finch.
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(00:11):
Hello, my name is SandyAdamidis, the social media
director for the PageInternational Screenwriting
Awards and your host for theWriters Hangout, a podcast that
celebrates the many Frominspiration to the first draft,
revising, getting the projectmade, and everything in between.
(00:32):
We'll talk to the best and thebrightest in the entertainment
industry, and create a spacewhere you can hang out, learn
from the pros, and have fun.
Hey, writers and friends.
It's Sandy.
I'm coming to you from StudioCity, the jewel of the Send
Fernando Valley.
Now you've been asking me for anupdate on Elizabeth Finch, the
(00:56):
writer from Grey's Anatomy, whofaked cancer and was let go from
the show.
Elizabeth has been pretty quiet.
There hasn't been very muchsince her apology post and that
interview she did With the anklenow for the first time, two
actors who worked on Grey'sAnatomy and have a podcast have
(01:19):
commented on Elizabeth I'm gonnaplay the episode from that
podcast.
It's again, by two actors fromGrey's Anatomy, Jessica Capshaw,
and Camilla Ludington.
I'm not gonna play the entireepisode, I recommend you give it
a listen.
The name is, call It Like It Is,and it's an iHeartRadio
(01:41):
production here on the Writer'sHangout.
we've done three episodes onElizabeth, and you can find all
three of those episodes combinedentitled, and I'm pretty proud
of this title.
all three episodes of theunbelievable true story of
Elizabeth Finch and Gray'sAnatomy.
(02:05):
It was published on May 19th,2024.
So if you wanna go back andlisten for the first time, I
promise you, you won't bedisappointed.
There is so much to this story.
So hit pause and go back.
Otherwise, let's do a quickreview of Elizabeth Finch.
(02:33):
I have no idea if you can hearthat plane, In 2014, Elizabeth
Finch was hired to write for theTV series Grey's Anatomy, and
she rose in the ranks to becomeone of the co-producers on the
TV series.
Elizabeth Finch told everyoneshe had a rare and deadly cancer
(02:54):
for over a decade.
This gained her specialtreatment at work, and more
times than not, the otherwriters on staff had to finish
her scripts When she ran off tosome destination with a
suitcase, packed with lies, youknow how much money those other
writers got for helpingElizabeth write those scripts?
(03:16):
Nothing.
Zero.
Nada.
and Elizabeth, she's gonna bemaking residuals off those
scripts and off those otherwriter's work for the rest of
her life.
Now, Elizabeth started hercareer on other shows like.
True Blood, no.
Ordinarily Family and VampireDiaries, A Vanity Fair
(03:37):
investigation revealed thatElizabeth had fabricated her
illness, that she was lyingabout having cancer and so much
more.
Now that's the story in anutshell.
Elizabeth destroyed lives, hurtpeople, and dragged her ex-wife
and her ex-wife's kids throughhell.
(03:59):
Before we listen to the podcast,I want to highlight another of
Elizabeth's web of Lies Therewas a Grey's character, Joe
Wilson played by CamillaLudington that Elizabeth seemed
to be obsessed with.
yes.
The podcast we are about tolisten to is co-hosted by that,
(04:23):
Joe Wilson, Camilla Ludington.
And her co-host Jessica Capshaw.
Now, if Jessica Capshaw's namesounds familiar, that's because
she's the daughter of KateCapshaw from Spielberg's Film,
Indiana Jones and the Temple ofDoom.
doom is where Kate and Spielbergmet and fell in love way back in
(04:48):
1983.
Now Camilla Ludington, as Isaid, played Dr.
Joe Wilson on Grey's AnatomyDrama for 12 season.
At the end of October, 2018,tragedy struck when 11 people
were shot and killed at the Treeof Life synagogue in Pittsburgh,
(05:13):
the city where Elizabethattended college.
Elizabeth told the other Grey'swriters that her friend from
college had been one of thevictims.
Of course, Finch took it as faras she could and claimed She
went to Pittsburgh and cleanedup her friend's body from the
synagogue floor following what.
(05:35):
She said was Jewish traditionexplaining Jews must be buried
within 24 hours with all oftheir body parts according to
Vanity Fair.
Once back in the writer's room,Elizabeth would claim that any
mention of guns, loud noise, oreven a dream catcher with a tree
(05:59):
of life inspired, designed,triggered her PTSD.
During this time, Elizabethbecame ultra focused on a grace
character, a troubled youngsurgeon named Joe Wilson.
Played by Full circle, CamillaLudington from the podcast I
(06:20):
will be playing for you.
In the Gray's writer's room,Elizabeth came up with a pitch
for Joe Wilson's character.
She wanted Joe Wilson to meet apatient who's a rape victim.
Joe starts confronting her ownpast as an abused wife, and
learns that she's a product ofrape and checks herself into a
(06:41):
mental health facility.
To deal with the trauma.
Elizabeth said that her pitchwas based on a friend.
Now I remember reading a story,I forget from where about this
story of finding out that you'rea product of rape.
Actually came from young staffwriter on the show and the young
(07:05):
staff writer had shared.
Her story with Elizabeth andElizabeth just outright stole
that story and pitched it forJoe, the character that she was
obsessed with.
now the staff writer feltpowerless to do anything.
She didn't wanna make any waves.
She thought she might lose herjob.
(07:26):
And to placate herself to justmake herself feel better.
She told herself that at leastthe story was being told.
Now, can you guess whatElizabeth is going to do next?
Elizabeth Finch goes into herboss's office at Grey's Anatomy
(07:48):
and says, I need some rest.
And then she checks herself intoan Arizona mental health
treatment center there under theassumed name of.
Gray's Anatomy character JoeWilson.
Elizabeth says she was sufferingfrom post-traumatic stress
(08:12):
disorder because of her friendwho had been one of the Tree of
Life victims.
Oh, Elizabeth the Webb that youweave.
After this message, I'll play aclip from Jessica and Camilla's
podcast.
Call it like it is, and afterthe clip I'll give you my
(08:35):
opinion on what the two womendiscussed.
This episode of The Writer'sHangout is brought to you by
podcast, the podcast for peoplewho want to launch, grow, and
monetize.
A successful podcast writershave you.
Ever thought about starting apodcast?
(08:56):
Do you even know where to start?
If you said no?
I was just like you.
Back in 2022 when the writershangout started.
Now why does 2022 ring a bellfor you?
Oh yeah, we were in a pandemic,which meant none of my
incredibly talented friendscould drop by and help me
(09:17):
brainstorm what to do.
I cried a lot of tears andfrustration before that first
episode was launched.
Do you hear me?
GarageBand?
I wish I had Podcast Craft backthen.
Podcast Craft takes you fromnovice podcaster to Confident
Broadcaster.
They'll teach you how to startand grow successful podcast in
(09:38):
their easy to follow sessions.
You can findpodCraft@podcraft.net, or
anywhere you get your podcasts.
Welcome back.
Now I'm gonna play the clip foryou.
it's kind of difficult to tellthe two women's voices apart,
(09:59):
especially'cause this is thefirst time you are going to hear
them.
Camilla.
Who played the character of JoeSpeaks first, so you'll kind of
get to know her voice beforeJessica speaks.
Also, the two women refer to thedocumentary that is Anatomy of
Lies, which aired on Peacock,and it's really good.
(10:23):
Go watch it.
Sandy (10:29):
Because I'm like this.
I'm like, I would've known,right?
Like I would know that person'slying.
And then you have an experiencewhere it basically feels like
you're in a Dateline documentaryand you realize like, I did not
know.
I truly did not know.
And I think that that kind ofthrows you for a loop because
(10:49):
then you feel like your owninstinct on stuff is way off.
And so it makes you questionyour I, this is what I don't
like about it.
It makes you start questioningyourself.
Yeah.
Like you're not just questioningthat person.
Now it's like, why didn't I seethat?
Yeah.
How did I, how did I believethat?
And I don't like the self-doubt.
(11:09):
And then by the way, it canaffect other areas of your life
where now you're meetingsomebody and they say something
that sounds maybe outlandishabout themselves and or even not
so, and you're like, is thattrue?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I've experienced someone thathas lied about the most wild,
crazy things.
Yeah.
I have to say with Fiche, who'sthe, the writer who was in, in
(11:30):
question mm-hmm.
In the, in the documentary.
I, it never, like, it neveroccurred to me to not believe
her.
You, I mean, there was never amoment where I was thinking,
yeah, like the things that shelied about.
You could never in a millionyears imagine questioning.
(11:51):
Yeah, this is somebody that liedto us.
I mean, and I don't know if youguys have ever had this
experience about many things,but about cancer, right?
So that's something that youdon't ever imagine someone could
ever lie about, and then offeredup specific information about or
(12:12):
experience with it what it feltlike.
But now I'm interested becauseyou said that you were not
surprised.
You were surprised of course,but it wasn't like a gobsmack,
like I was like, you know.
Yeah.
It's so hard to explain.
I like, of course, I wassurprised that someone, that
she, of course, I was surprisedthat she wasn't who she really
(12:33):
said she was and she was notmm-hmm.
Reporting any experiences thatwere actually hers.
Um, but I wasn't surprised thatsomeone could do that.
And I sort of just felt like,oh, well.
Like she was really good atthat.
'cause I believed her, butagain, I was not sitting in the
seat of the woman who shemarried and represented a
(12:57):
completely different life too.
That's a whole different, thatfeels like a movie.
That feels like a movie forsure.
Um, I will say this because Ihave been asked to comment on
this documentary, very strangeexperience.
Um.
Seeing yourself in that kind ofway, and I don't personally
(13:19):
don't wanna talk about myexperience on set.
With this person.
Um, it's hard for me to even,you know, uh, with this person,
but I will say that what, whathappened?
I will say one little piece ofinformation that nobody knows,
it's not in the documentary, andI will share it here on the
podcast.
What I really hate again aboutthis is it makes you go back and
(13:40):
sort of question all thedifferent things.
And this person, I remembergoing to Hawaii for the first
time.
And, uh, and I was so excitedthat I could afford going to
Hawaii.
I was never, you know, able toafford something so tropical and
glamorous.
And, uh, I told everybody that Iwas going to Kauai and I was
(14:04):
really excited and I was goingwith my boyfriend, who's now my
husband, obviously.
And um, I think it was aboutthree days into that trip and.
Fiji Finch was sat at the bar inthe hotel.
What?
Yes.
Not the airport bar, the ho, thehotel where you were in Hawaii.
(14:26):
The hotel where I was in Kauai,sat in the bar three days into
my trip.
What are you talking about?
Yes, she was with somebody elseand I just remember thinking it
was the most random, um.
Coincidence, coincidence.
Had you told her what hotel youwere going to?
(14:46):
I had probably told.
It's funny.
'cause then, then you start todo this, right?
You start to think back aboutlike, who should I tell?
You know?
Um, I had told so many peoplewhere I was going, I'm sure I
would've told her and I.
Is there a world in which likeshe was just happened to be on
vacation at the same time as meat that hotel in Hawaii.
Sure.
There's definitely a world wherethat happens.
(15:07):
People run into each other likeit's crazy.
Yeah.
I don't know, but I don't likethe now questioning I.
Of whether like, you know, thatgoing back and, and sort of
reevaluating all those things.
Did she check in as Joe Wilson?
That's not even funny.
I just wonder, God, I won't talkabout set.
(15:27):
I don't, it doesn't make me feelcomfortable.
Um, but I will share that, thatstory that happened in my
personal life with her.
Yeah.
Well I saw her all the time onset.
But again, I, I, I completelybelieved everything she said.
There was never a moment ofsuspicion.
I never thought That's funnythat she said that, like that.
(15:48):
Nothing, nothing, nothing.
And when I left, I rememberhaving a really, she came and
found me and we ended up havinga really, really long
conversation mm-hmm.
Outside my trailer, um, becauseshe was so sad that I was
leaving and wanted to talk aboutit.
And, um.
Maybe she wasn't sad at all,Camilla.
Well, this is what I'm sayingthat we do.
I mean, this is what I'm saying,like what is true and what's not
(16:11):
true.
Yeah.
And I don't like, I don't likehaving felt like someone was
like, that was in our orbit.
No.
And not feeling like I sensedany of that, the truth myself,
it just is uncomfortable and it,you know, none of it feels good.
Fascinating, right.
Writers.
I really feel for Camilla, shewants to speak out about this,
(16:34):
terrible moment in her life, butI also get the feeling that she
doesn't want to draw any moreattention from a person like
Elizabeth Finch.
I totally believe that ElizabethFinch found out where Camilla
was staying, didn't care thatshe was gonna be there with her
(16:54):
boyfriend, soon to be husband,and got on a plane and sat in
that bar and waited and waitedtill she had that accidental run
in with the person that she hadbeen stalking.
There is just.
No way that that was acoincidence.
and I don't think that Camillawas being naive at all.
(17:19):
There's this, weird relationshipbetween writers and actors.
In fact, I would love to do anepisode, based on this, just
based on the relationshipbetween writers and actors, and
we will do that.
But it must have been so creepyfor Camilla to know that this
(17:41):
person was stalking her.
That's just a horrible feeling.
And Jessica also wondering was.
Elizabeth really being honestwith her that she was gonna miss
her, or perhaps that Elizabethwas coming to say, we're really
(18:02):
going to miss you, and will youinvite me to your next big
party?
Elizabeth Finch, she has touchedso many people's lives in this
town and not in a very good way,and I don't mean to laugh it.
(18:23):
It's just that so muchdestruction has come from this
one person, and that's just onestory in Hollywood.
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Hello, my name is SandyAdamidis, the social media
director for the PageInternational Screenwriting
Awards and your host for theWriters Hangout, a podcast that
celebrates the many Frominspiration to the first draft,
revising, getting the projectmade, and everything in between.
(00:32):
We'll talk to the best and thebrightest in the entertainment
industry, and create a spacewhere you can hang out, learn
from the pros, and have fun.
Hey, writers and friends.
It's Sandy.
I'm coming to you from StudioCity, the jewel of the Send
Fernando Valley.
Now you've been asking me for anupdate on Elizabeth Finch, the
(00:56):
writer from Grey's Anatomy, whofaked cancer and was let go from
the show.
Elizabeth has been pretty quiet.
There hasn't been very muchsince her apology post and that
interview she did With the anklenow for the first time, two
actors who worked on Grey'sAnatomy and have a podcast have
(01:19):
commented on Elizabeth I'm gonnaplay the episode from that
podcast.
It's again, by two actors fromGrey's Anatomy, Jessica Capshaw,
and Camilla Ludington.
I'm not gonna play the entireepisode, I recommend you give it
a listen.
The name is, call It Like It Is,and it's an iHeartRadio
(01:41):
production here on the Writer'sHangout.
we've done three episodes onElizabeth, and you can find all
three of those episodes combinedentitled, and I'm pretty proud
of this title.
all three episodes of theunbelievable true story of
Elizabeth Finch and Gray'sAnatomy.
(02:05):
It was published on May 19th,2024.
So if you wanna go back andlisten for the first time, I
promise you, you won't bedisappointed.
There is so much to this story.
So hit pause and go back.
Otherwise, let's do a quickreview of Elizabeth Finch.
(02:33):
I have no idea if you can hearthat plane, In 2014, Elizabeth
Finch was hired to write for theTV series Grey's Anatomy, and
she rose in the ranks to becomeone of the co-producers on the
TV series.
Elizabeth Finch told everyoneshe had a rare and deadly cancer
(02:54):
for over a decade.
This gained her specialtreatment at work, and more
times than not, the otherwriters on staff had to finish
her scripts When she ran off tosome destination with a
suitcase, packed with lies, youknow how much money those other
writers got for helpingElizabeth write those scripts?
(03:16):
Nothing.
Zero.
Nada.
and Elizabeth, she's gonna bemaking residuals off those
scripts and off those otherwriter's work for the rest of
her life.
Now, Elizabeth started hercareer on other shows like.
True Blood, no.
Ordinarily Family and VampireDiaries, A Vanity Fair
(03:37):
investigation revealed thatElizabeth had fabricated her
illness, that she was lyingabout having cancer and so much
more.
Now that's the story in anutshell.
Elizabeth destroyed lives, hurtpeople, and dragged her ex-wife
and her ex-wife's kids throughhell.
(03:59):
Before we listen to the podcast,I want to highlight another of
Elizabeth's web of Lies Therewas a Grey's character, Joe
Wilson played by CamillaLudington that Elizabeth seemed
to be obsessed with.
yes.
The podcast we are about tolisten to is co-hosted by that,
(04:23):
Joe Wilson, Camilla Ludington.
And her co-host Jessica Capshaw.
Now, if Jessica Capshaw's namesounds familiar, that's because
she's the daughter of KateCapshaw from Spielberg's Film,
Indiana Jones and the Temple ofDoom.
doom is where Kate and Spielbergmet and fell in love way back in
(04:48):
1983.
Now Camilla Ludington, as Isaid, played Dr.
Joe Wilson on Grey's AnatomyDrama for 12 season.
At the end of October, 2018,tragedy struck when 11 people
were shot and killed at the Treeof Life synagogue in Pittsburgh,
(05:13):
the city where Elizabethattended college.
Elizabeth told the other Grey'swriters that her friend from
college had been one of thevictims.
Of course, Finch took it as faras she could and claimed She
went to Pittsburgh and cleanedup her friend's body from the
synagogue floor following what.
(05:35):
She said was Jewish traditionexplaining Jews must be buried
within 24 hours with all oftheir body parts according to
Vanity Fair.
Once back in the writer's room,Elizabeth would claim that any
mention of guns, loud noise, oreven a dream catcher with a tree
(05:59):
of life inspired, designed,triggered her PTSD.
During this time, Elizabethbecame ultra focused on a grace
character, a troubled youngsurgeon named Joe Wilson.
Played by Full circle, CamillaLudington from the podcast I
(06:20):
will be playing for you.
In the Gray's writer's room,Elizabeth came up with a pitch
for Joe Wilson's character.
She wanted Joe Wilson to meet apatient who's a rape victim.
Joe starts confronting her ownpast as an abused wife, and
learns that she's a product ofrape and checks herself into a
(06:41):
mental health facility.
To deal with the trauma.
Elizabeth said that her pitchwas based on a friend.
Now I remember reading a story,I forget from where about this
story of finding out that you'rea product of rape.
Actually came from young staffwriter on the show and the young
(07:05):
staff writer had shared.
Her story with Elizabeth andElizabeth just outright stole
that story and pitched it forJoe, the character that she was
obsessed with.
now the staff writer feltpowerless to do anything.
She didn't wanna make any waves.
She thought she might lose herjob.
(07:26):
And to placate herself to justmake herself feel better.
She told herself that at leastthe story was being told.
Now, can you guess whatElizabeth is going to do next?
Elizabeth Finch goes into herboss's office at Grey's Anatomy
(07:48):
and says, I need some rest.
And then she checks herself intoan Arizona mental health
treatment center there under theassumed name of.
Gray's Anatomy character JoeWilson.
Elizabeth says she was sufferingfrom post-traumatic stress
(08:12):
disorder because of her friendwho had been one of the Tree of
Life victims.
Oh, Elizabeth the Webb that youweave.
After this message, I'll play aclip from Jessica and Camilla's
podcast.
Call it like it is, and afterthe clip I'll give you my
(08:35):
opinion on what the two womendiscussed.
This episode of The Writer'sHangout is brought to you by
podcast, the podcast for peoplewho want to launch, grow, and
monetize.
A successful podcast writershave you.
Ever thought about starting apodcast?
(08:56):
Do you even know where to start?
If you said no?
I was just like you.
Back in 2022 when the writershangout started.
Now why does 2022 ring a bellfor you?
Oh yeah, we were in a pandemic,which meant none of my
incredibly talented friendscould drop by and help me
(09:17):
brainstorm what to do.
I cried a lot of tears andfrustration before that first
episode was launched.
Do you hear me?
GarageBand?
I wish I had Podcast Craft backthen.
Podcast Craft takes you fromnovice podcaster to Confident
Broadcaster.
They'll teach you how to startand grow successful podcast in
(09:38):
their easy to follow sessions.
You can findpodCraft@podcraft.net, or
anywhere you get your podcasts.
Welcome back.
Now I'm gonna play the clip foryou.
it's kind of difficult to tellthe two women's voices apart,
(09:59):
especially'cause this is thefirst time you are going to hear
them.
Camilla.
Who played the character of JoeSpeaks first, so you'll kind of
get to know her voice beforeJessica speaks.
Also, the two women refer to thedocumentary that is Anatomy of
Lies, which aired on Peacock,and it's really good.
(10:23):
Go watch it.
Sandy (10:29):
Because I'm like this.
I'm like, I would've known,right?
Like I would know that person'slying.
And then you have an experiencewhere it basically feels like
you're in a Dateline documentaryand you realize like, I did not
know.
I truly did not know.
And I think that that kind ofthrows you for a loop because
(10:49):
then you feel like your owninstinct on stuff is way off.
And so it makes you questionyour I, this is what I don't
like about it.
It makes you start questioningyourself.
Yeah.
Like you're not just questioningthat person.
Now it's like, why didn't I seethat?
Yeah.
How did I, how did I believethat?
And I don't like the self-doubt.
(11:09):
And then by the way, it canaffect other areas of your life
where now you're meetingsomebody and they say something
that sounds maybe outlandishabout themselves and or even not
so, and you're like, is thattrue?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I've experienced someone thathas lied about the most wild,
crazy things.
Yeah.
I have to say with Fiche, who'sthe, the writer who was in, in
(11:30):
question mm-hmm.
In the, in the documentary.
I, it never, like, it neveroccurred to me to not believe
her.
You, I mean, there was never amoment where I was thinking,
yeah, like the things that shelied about.
You could never in a millionyears imagine questioning.
(11:51):
Yeah, this is somebody that liedto us.
I mean, and I don't know if youguys have ever had this
experience about many things,but about cancer, right?
So that's something that youdon't ever imagine someone could
ever lie about, and then offeredup specific information about or
(12:12):
experience with it what it feltlike.
But now I'm interested becauseyou said that you were not
surprised.
You were surprised of course,but it wasn't like a gobsmack,
like I was like, you know.
Yeah.
It's so hard to explain.
I like, of course, I wassurprised that someone, that
she, of course, I was surprisedthat she wasn't who she really
(12:33):
said she was and she was notmm-hmm.
Reporting any experiences thatwere actually hers.
Um, but I wasn't surprised thatsomeone could do that.
And I sort of just felt like,oh, well.
Like she was really good atthat.
'cause I believed her, butagain, I was not sitting in the
seat of the woman who shemarried and represented a
(12:57):
completely different life too.
That's a whole different, thatfeels like a movie.
That feels like a movie forsure.
Um, I will say this because Ihave been asked to comment on
this documentary, very strangeexperience.
Um.
Seeing yourself in that kind ofway, and I don't personally
(13:19):
don't wanna talk about myexperience on set.
With this person.
Um, it's hard for me to even,you know, uh, with this person,
but I will say that what, whathappened?
I will say one little piece ofinformation that nobody knows,
it's not in the documentary, andI will share it here on the
podcast.
What I really hate again aboutthis is it makes you go back and
(13:40):
sort of question all thedifferent things.
And this person, I remembergoing to Hawaii for the first
time.
And, uh, and I was so excitedthat I could afford going to
Hawaii.
I was never, you know, able toafford something so tropical and
glamorous.
And, uh, I told everybody that Iwas going to Kauai and I was
(14:04):
really excited and I was goingwith my boyfriend, who's now my
husband, obviously.
And um, I think it was aboutthree days into that trip and.
Fiji Finch was sat at the bar inthe hotel.
What?
Yes.
Not the airport bar, the ho, thehotel where you were in Hawaii.
(14:26):
The hotel where I was in Kauai,sat in the bar three days into
my trip.
What are you talking about?
Yes, she was with somebody elseand I just remember thinking it
was the most random, um.
Coincidence, coincidence.
Had you told her what hotel youwere going to?
(14:46):
I had probably told.
It's funny.
'cause then, then you start todo this, right?
You start to think back aboutlike, who should I tell?
You know?
Um, I had told so many peoplewhere I was going, I'm sure I
would've told her and I.
Is there a world in which likeshe was just happened to be on
vacation at the same time as meat that hotel in Hawaii.
Sure.
There's definitely a world wherethat happens.
(15:07):
People run into each other likeit's crazy.
Yeah.
I don't know, but I don't likethe now questioning I.
Of whether like, you know, thatgoing back and, and sort of
reevaluating all those things.
Did she check in as Joe Wilson?
That's not even funny.
I just wonder, God, I won't talkabout set.
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I don't, it doesn't make me feelcomfortable.
Um, but I will share that, thatstory that happened in my
personal life with her.
Yeah.
Well I saw her all the time onset.
But again, I, I, I completelybelieved everything she said.
There was never a moment ofsuspicion.
I never thought That's funnythat she said that, like that.
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Nothing, nothing, nothing.
And when I left, I rememberhaving a really, she came and
found me and we ended up havinga really, really long
conversation mm-hmm.
Outside my trailer, um, becauseshe was so sad that I was
leaving and wanted to talk aboutit.
And, um.
Maybe she wasn't sad at all,Camilla.
Well, this is what I'm sayingthat we do.
I mean, this is what I'm saying,like what is true and what's not
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true.
Yeah.
And I don't like, I don't likehaving felt like someone was
like, that was in our orbit.
No.
And not feeling like I sensedany of that, the truth myself,
it just is uncomfortable and it,you know, none of it feels good.
Fascinating, right.
Writers.
I really feel for Camilla, shewants to speak out about this,
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terrible moment in her life, butI also get the feeling that she
doesn't want to draw any moreattention from a person like
Elizabeth Finch.
I totally believe that ElizabethFinch found out where Camilla
was staying, didn't care thatshe was gonna be there with her
(16:54):
boyfriend, soon to be husband,and got on a plane and sat in
that bar and waited and waitedtill she had that accidental run
in with the person that she hadbeen stalking.
There is just.
No way that that was acoincidence.
and I don't think that Camillawas being naive at all.
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There's this, weird relationshipbetween writers and actors.
In fact, I would love to do anepisode, based on this, just
based on the relationshipbetween writers and actors, and
we will do that.
But it must have been so creepyfor Camilla to know that this
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person was stalking her.
That's just a horrible feeling.
And Jessica also wondering was.
Elizabeth really being honestwith her that she was gonna miss
her, or perhaps that Elizabethwas coming to say, we're really
(18:02):
going to miss you, and will youinvite me to your next big
party?
Elizabeth Finch, she has touchedso many people's lives in this
town and not in a very good way,and I don't mean to laugh it.
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It's just that so muchdestruction has come from this
one person, and that's just onestory in Hollywood.
And that's a wrap for theWriter's Hangout.
Thanks so much for listening.
If you enjoyed the show, pleasetake a moment to leave us a
review on Apple Podcasts.
Your positive feedback will helpus keep the show going so we can
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continue bringing you morefuture episodes.
Remember, keep writing.
The world needs your stories.
The Writers Hangout is sponsoredby the Page International
Screenwriting Awards, withexecutive producer Kristen
Overn, producer Sandy Adamides,and myself, Terry Sampson.
And our music is composed byEthan Stoller.
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