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Hello, my name is Sandy Adamis,the social media director for
the page, internationalScreenwriting Awards, and your
host for the Writer's Hangout.
A podcast that celebrates themany stages of writing, from
inspiration to the first draft,revising, getting a project made
and everything in between.
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We'll talk to the best and thebrightest in the entertainment
industry and create a spacewhere you can hang out, learn
from the pros, and have fun.
And we're rolling.
Hi, I'm Sandy.
Adam Midas.
Hi, I am Terry Sampson.
Terry.
I'm always fascinated where thecreative idea comes from when a
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writer sits down to write amovie.
Yes.
I find the process fascinatingfrom when the epiphany hits a
writer, and then how the writershapes it from their life
experience.
And a great example of this andwhat we're gonna be talking
about today is School of Rock.
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Wonderful.
Have you ever seen the movieschool rack a couple times?
So good.
Really good movie.
Yes, really good.
School Rock came out on October3rd, 2003?
My wife worked on a TV versionof it.
I know Sharon worked on that.
Yeah, it was at Paramount too,which is, yeah, paramount did
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the movie.
I also really liked theParamount lot.
It was my number one favoritelot till.
Warner Brothers has taken thatspot for me, but I like the
paramount lot because of thegate.
And the gate is from is theoriginal gate.
It's just set back a little bitfurther.
And then there's a new gatebefore that, but it's the gate
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in sunset Boulevard, my favoritemovie.
Yeah.
And yeah.
The offices where they werewriting their script, that
street still exists.
It's a classic place.
Here's my classic story for it.
I used to go for any reasonwhen, in the early days when
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Sharon was first working onParamount's lot, and so I was on
there quite a bit and I had thisfunky little truck at the time
and I was waiting, taking myturn to get out.
Do you know that?
The, it would be on the westside gate goer.
There was always yeah.
You'd always have to wait thatout.
There's always like a long line.
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So I'm sitting there waiting andI turn and I see the hotdog
vendor there, loss control, andit's driving right at me.
Almost a sudden you're in aAbbott and Costello movie.
I am, and I'm staring at it andI look ahead and I go, I can't
go anywhere.
And he hits my little truck andI go out there and my truck was
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not new, it was quite oldactually at the time.
He was apologizing.
He offered me a hot dog while Iwas eating the hot dog.
He was looking at the dent inthe side of my truck and he
goes, gee, what are we gonna do?
I go, nothing.
The car's not even worth gettingthis thing pinged out.
I go, it's fine.
So I went home and I took alittle.
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Ball, P Hammer, and I said,maybe I can get this out myself.
And I'm pounding on it and I go,wait a minute, this sounds
pretty good.
So I bring a microphone, acouple of microphones out and
I'm recording me taking the pingout and I take that sound and I
sample it into a snare drum.
And I used it on a for familyties.
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Wow, how about that?
Wow.
I that actually Brian De Palmashould have.
Made that the plot for blowout?
Yes, I really think so.
Yeah.
Every, I think every movie needsa hot dog accident.
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Yes.
Okay.
Back.
It's a school of rock.
And how Mike White, the writercame up with the idea School
Rock.
Can you read the plot I canOverly enthusiastic guitarist
Dewey Finn, played by JackBlack.
It's thrown out of his bar band,finds himself in desperate need
of work.
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Posing as a substitute musicteacher at an elite private
elementary school, he exposeshis students to the hard rock
gods.
He idolizes and emulates much tothe consternation of the uptight
principle.
Joan Kosack played beautifullyby Joan Kosack.
I might add.
Yes, as he gets his privilegedand precocious charges in touch
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with their inner rock and rollanimals, he imagines redemption
at a local battle of the bands.
The audience and critics equallylove the film, and Jack Black
was nominated for a Golden GlobeAward for best actor.
Man.
Did he move around a lot in thatmovie?
One thing, one thing before Iforget.
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These are not our words.
This was in the synopsis fromGoogle.
It's the uptight principle.
Joan Cusack.
I would really like to correctthat.
She's the under pressure.
Principal she has That's right.
So much pressure on hershoulders.
She's not uptight.
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Let's no, let's just not usethat uptight in women ever again
in a sentence.
But I just had to say that andOkay.
So she was more or less, she wasmore or less in a what's gonna
go wrong next mode.
Exactly.
School of Rock was directed byRichard Linklater, who we know
from Boyhood, dazed, andConfused.
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And the boyfriend to GretaGerwig, Jack Black, who by the
way, eats the screen and leavesno crumbs.
Even before filming began, blackNew School of Rock was gonna be
different.
There's a quote from RollingStones, the Oral History of
School of Rock, when Jack talksabout this time period.
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Can you read it, Terry?
Yes.
He says, when we did the readthrough, that's when I felt it.
Table reads are always boringbecause movies are not meant to
be read at a table.
They're meant to be seen on abig screen, but this was the
first time where it just killed.
I was like, oh my God, this is adiamond.
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Every scene is clicking and thelaughs are strong in the room.
I could feel right out of thegate that something special is
happening.
That's pretty cool.
Can you explain to the writersout there who might not know
what a table read is?
Yeah.
In the process of getting a showup and running and ready to be
filmed, a table read is astructured read through of a
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screenplay or script by actorswith speaking parts In a film,
TV show or play, the table readis often the first time that
everyone involved in theproduction comes together.
For the writers out there, oneof the best ways to make your
screenplay better is hearing itout loud.
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Hearing it out loud is sodifferent from what you hear
inside your head when you'rereading your script.
At American Dreams, theshowrunner, Jonathan Prince, ask
the cast at every table read toelect a camper of the week from
the crew in the productionoffice, and I was camper of the
week.
One week and I got a certificatefor a massage.
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Oh, nice.
Yeah, it was a nice gift.
Wow.
Great.
Yeah, that's a nice idea.
Yeah.
Now, Mike White, the writer ofthe movie plays Jack Black's
best friend, Sarah Silverman.
She does an amazing job with avery thankless role.
She transcends the part.
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In fact, all these actors inthis movie are really good.
Yeah.
Everybody is hitting on allcylinders.
Yeah, and the kids arewonderful.
The director Richard said hewould only do the movie if they
cast kids who were musiciansfirst and actors second, and I
think that really works for themovie.
Yeah, I think so too.
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Now, how did Mike White come upwith the idea of School of Rock?
By the way, I am a big fan ofMike White.
I think I was first became awareof Mike White from his HBO
series.
Enlightened.
Enlightened was aself-destructive woman, Laura
Dern, who has a spiritualawakening and becomes determined
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to live an enlightened life, andshe creates havoc at home and
work.
It's so funny.
I really, and there's a mysteryand it's really fun.
That's the first time Idiscovered him.
And what was the name of thatmovie?
It is called Enlightened.
It was a series on HBO withLaura Dern.
Really good.
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I've watched it twice actually.
The series Mike's also in theseries.
He plays Laura Dern's coworker,and then I vaguely remember
hearing about a writer who didSurvivor.
I always always remembered thatkind of out there in the
zeitgeist.
And that was Mike White.
He participated in SurvivorWild.
Really?
I think you can go online andjust see YouTube clips of him.
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Now, the writers out there mightknow Mike White from his latest
hit series, white Lotus.
Oh yes.
And with that line.
Oh, Jennifer Coolidge.
I'm gonna see if I can pull thisoff.
Terry.
These guys are trying to killme.
No, that was the wicked witch ofthe West.
These guys can't do it.
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Oh, it's such a good line.
She's on the yacht.
Yeah.
Alright.
How did it all come about?
In my research, there are twofactors and they only cross in
one article, but I'll give youthe two factors because.
I came across both of them quitefrequently.
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The first, the Langley SchoolMusic Project.
The Langley School of MusicProject is a collection of
recordings of children'schoruses, singing pop hits by
the likes of the Beach Boys,Paul McCartney and David Bowie.
They were originally recorded in19.
1976 and forgotten about.
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And then they were found andre-released 25 years later and
they became a cult hit,obviously a cult hit that you
and I aren't part of.
'cause I had never heard ofthis.
And it became a example ofoutsider music.
Now I kept seeing the LangleySchool music.
Project mentioned alongside theSchool of Rock.
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In my research, I never readanything in Mike White's words
saying that he heard the LangleySchool of Music project before
he wrote School of Rock.
And here's what Mike White said,how he came up with the idea
behind School of Rock.
Jack was my next door neighborfor a few years.
He was starting to get a lot ofheat as an actor, and he would
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occasionally give me scriptsthat had been submitted to him
to Star in.
They were invariably these flatcomedies, or he was like the
John Belushi guy who gets drunkand falls through a sliding
glass door or something.
I'm reading these scripts and Iwas like.
I could do better than this.
Obviously, music is a bigpassion of his.
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He has his band, tenacious DIhad the idea of him leading a
band of little kids.
Somehow it just seemed like afunny visual.
Then I got the idea that itwould be fun to have him be more
of a WC Fields a little bit.
Like a guy who isn't reallysomebody you'd want around kids,
but that's part of the fun.
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Now, at the time, Jack Black wasbest known for his role as the
record store, know-it-all fromHigh Fidelity.
Did you like that movie, TerryHigh Fidelity?
Yeah.
I think you would like it.
Yeah.
Now the.
Infamous Scott Rudin was theproducer of School of Rock.
I'll leave out Scott Rudins.
Complicated story for now, butit was Scott Rudins idea to get
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Richard to Direct School ofRock.
Terry, will you read the quotefrom the Oral History of School
of Rock from Rolling Stone?
Sure.
Rudin gives me a script andsays, Jack black's attached.
What do you think?
I'm like, eh, I don't know.
How to do this.
I pass.
I got a call that was like,Scott Rudin, the producer isn't
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accepting your pass.
And I'm like, what does thatmean?
He was just sure that I was theright guy to pull this off.
It was a huge different thingfor me to come aboard.
I was a color on his palette.
Someone had cast me as the rightperson to perhaps realize this
thing that he thought hadpotential.
I was always a little frustratedwith a lot of studio comedies.
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I just think they're not.
Working hard enough or theycould be better.
So I was like, okay, big mouth.
This is your chance to actuallymake a studio comedy that maybe
works at that level.
Terry, would you also read whatJack Black said about his
collaborators White and Linklater?
Yes.
I loved Richard Linkletterbecause I love Slacker.
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And I thought Dazed and Confusedwas brilliant.
Obviously he knew Rock.
I was nervous though because itseemed like all of his movies
were low budget indieexperiments.
This was potentially to be a bigsummer hit, but Scott Rudin was,
no, you are wrong.
I'm taking over and I.
Forcing this to happen.
Link letter.
Went over the script with a finetooth comb to try to keep it
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grounded, keep it real, eventhough it comes off crazy.
He was addressing things like, Idon't believe this.
They're doing a music class andnobody finds out.
They have to soundproof theclassroom, so let's do this.
Those little elements of keepingit on planet Earth really served
it.
I couldn't agree with RichardMoore grounding that movie
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really helped it in how theyaddress soundproofing.
The room was.
Brilliant.
At one point, Jack Black simplyturns to a couple of the kids
and he says, we need to work onsoundproofing the room.
There was no elaborate scene ofsoundproofing the room.
Next time when they're singing,you just assume they figured out
how to soundproof the room.
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So then the kids are cast withRichard's rule, musicians Before
Actors.
They shoot it and it's 20 yearslater and you can watch the
movie with teens, toddlers, andparents.
There you go.
As I mentioned at the Top SchoolRock was released on October
3rd, 2003 by Paramount Picturesgrossing million worldwide on a
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$35 million budget.
The film received positivereviews from critics with
praises for Jack Black'sperformance.
It was the highest grossingmusic themed comedy of all time
until the release of, do youwanna Take a Guess?
Highest?
I don't pitch Perfect.
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Two real.
Yes.
A stage musical adaption openedon Broadway in December 18, and
as you mentioned, the televisionadaption for Nickelodeon
premiered on March 12th, 2016.
Do you and Sharon celebrate thatdate?
No.
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