WWE RAW Review: CM Punk Appears, Nia Jax vs Liv Morgan, IC Title Match, Logan Paul & Conclusion of the 2024 WWE Draft

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This is WWE Superstar Drew McIntyre,and you're listening to the WWE podcast show,
the one that everybody wants me tellyou ste sixteen. So your ass

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is my ard. We're gonna acknowledgeme. Hey, everybody, welcome to
the ww podcast. Here. There'sa Monday Night Raw review on this Tuesday,
April thirtieth, final day of Apriltwenty twenty four. We're gonna get
to Anthony Debarco in just a second. Him and I had a forty five
minute, fifty converse, fifty minuteconversation about Raw a little bit, but

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a lot of it focused on thedraft. I mean, we didn't really
cover Monday Night Raw in depth.So I'll give you a little bit of
u some of my thoughts that wedidn't get to with my conversation with n
D because, as I said,we talked mostly about the draft and what
it means and the rosters and goingforward and potential rivalries and factions and things
like that, and also dove backinto a little bit towards the end of
the show, actually talked about thea little bit about the pandemic era and

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free trial on Patreon and on ApplePodcasts. So one little bit of a
disclaimer before I get some additional rawthoughts, is that I had a screaming
child in the background of my pieceof the recording. So if you hear
hear voices on Matt's side, orI hear's screaming, yeah, that's that's
my three year old, Okay.And if I sound a little different,

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it's just because I'm trying to bequiet. So I had a hell of
a time trying to pretend that nothingwas going on when I had a screaming
child down the hall. So justFYI if you hear that, or if
you didn't, now you're going tolisten for it, right, But I
had a screaming child that I didthe best I could to mute, and
I hope it doesn't annoy some ofyou. It's not a full out scream,
but like, if you listen,you're probably like, oh, yeah,

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I hear that, right, right, So anyway, I wanted to
just put that out in front ifyou were wondering what the hell is going
on on my end. It's atoddlers who are trying to change their sleep
schedule. That's what it is.But anyway, let's get to some additional
raw thoughts that Anthony and I didnot cover. And you know, overall,
I thought it was an interesting rawnot because of where they were,

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which boy they were. Boy,if they weren't proud of where they were,
you would have never known. Rightin Kansas City, home of the
Super Bowl champions, and Patrick Mahomesis on the their unraw which was cool,
pretty pretty cool deal, pretty bigdeal to get to Patrick Mahomes collaboration
from undernet Raw, big deal forboth sides. Fun and we also got

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a surprise return of Bronze Stroman,who interrupted and took out Paul Logan,
Paul and his crony. And youknow, I think bron Strowman is Anthony
and I talked about it is ahe's an asset to the company. I'm
I'm not a huge fan of BronzeStroman like as a character. I think
he's extremely one dimensional. But theone dimension he does have, he does

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it well. So he's a big, strong guy. I don't know if
he's the Monster among men or theMonster among monsters or Monster of all monsters.
I don't know what they've landed on. We heard both of them throughout
the show. But good to seehim back. You know, he's a
he's a big time player. He'snot a top top guy, but he's
a guy that you can pretend isand have him be contender for a world

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title or the uh the intercontinental title, but uh, that's probably where he'll
live. But right now he's uh, he's returned and he was drafted to
Moneynette Raw, So you know,overall, I thought the draft was fine.
I know, I complained about thepicks and how some of you gave
me crap. That's fine, someof you gave me crap for uh you

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know, he's complaining it's DEI andit's a you know, and it's basically
saying it's an affirmative action pick.Well, I think I've been validated in
my assumption based on the fact thatwe got a first round draft pick of
Jade Cargill. All right, now, well, Jade Cargo going to smack

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down in round one. I understandthat she looks like a big deal,
but is she all right? Andalso we got to mention if you didn't
hear it, of the one ofthe you know, the first woman,
the first black woman, uh youknow, drafted in the first round,
which again I have no problem.I don't care. That's cool, like

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fine, cool, great, whatever, But it just validates my assumption because
you're telling me you would put JadeCargill in an unproven, unproven commodity over
Drew Mcatyre, who has not onlybeen a proven commodity, but an improving
commodity, even more so over thelast twelve months. See, I'm punk

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is in round two. I meanagain, I'm not here to complain about
the picks pick by pick and makingno sense. And I would have done
it this way. I would havedone it that way. It just it
just is absolutely ridiculous. And it'sI told you, guys that it is
a performance. It's outward appearance.How does it look to the public.

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Oh, he's talking about race?Yeah I am. You know why,
because they also explicitly made a pointabout it. They didn't belabor the point,
but they made it a point.So I I told you guys that
and you said, oh, no, I had some of some of you
No, it's not you really talkingabout DEI from Yes, I am,
and I think I was proven correct. When WWE themselves set it outright.

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They wanted to be able to saythat they had a the first black woman
picked as the first round draft pick. They want, they wanted they did
that by design. They didn't careabout the fact that, oh, it
doesn't make sense for her to actuallybe a first round draft pick. We
wanted to be able to say sheis, as if that somehow means something.
It doesn't mean anything. You wantto know why, because ultimately,

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at the end of the day.Who's on the roster matters. This isn't
an actual NFL draft, right,that's conducted a little bit differently, has
a little bit different goals, alittle bit different strategy. This is a
very much performance and sending messages tothe stakeholders and shareholders and those that care

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about those kind of agendas and arethey you know, well, I don't
want to get into it. Youguys know where I'm going. But I
was proven right and whatever. LikeI'm out here to say I told you
so. I'm just here to tellyou guys that like culture and that kind
of stuff is bleeding into wrestling.We see it now. We've seen it

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for a long time, but noweven more so now that the McMahons don't
own it, and we have muchlarger organizations who own WWE, who have
their own agendas and owned beliefs andown political ideologies that are now bleeding into
wrestling. And it's going to Ithink, get worse and worse not I
mean again, no matter where youfall on it, it's going to continue

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to get worse, which I thinkis bad. I don't care. I
don't want my agendas in wrestling.I don't want other people's agendas in wrestling,
even though I believe in my ownand I think they're they're obviously right.
I don't want my agendas in wrestling. I want no agenda in wrestling.
You don't want do you know whatI want in wrestling? Wrestling?
I want good stories, engaging characters. I don't want political agendas. Okay,

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I don't care if they're mine orthey're not. I don't want them.
I want zero. I want justwrestling in my wrestling shows. That's
all anyway, moving on, Sothat's all I'll say about that. But
we did then get let's see heregun Through versus Xavier Woods. This went
sixteen minutes with Gunther taking out ExavierWoods. Gun Thro wins as he should

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have, and he got submission usingthe was it the STF I think for
the victory and long match, andI just I don't think Gunther should have
taken this long to beat the examsyour Woods, to be honest. But
gun Through got the victory and heshould have. And it feels like guntherro
is still. Gunther is in aholding pattern, There's no doubt about it.

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Gunther is sitting here waiting for somethingto do, and that's not a
complaint. It's just a place hehasn't been in a while, and it
feels like they're just kind of positioninghim, getting the pieces in place,
giving him the whole steady command whilethey get the pieces into place before he
moves. So we then got thestory about the boy who needed to be

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calmed down after the shootings that tookplace at the Super Bowl parade, and
you know, which was just horrific. You know, we have such a
fast turnaround time in our brains.I forgot about that now, I mean
I remember it. It's just howquickly the news cycle moves in our country
is absurd. But it was horrificwith the Super Bowl Parade shooting. I

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mean, she's kids and families,and I mean it's just a it's I'm
not here to talk about gun rights. Okay, if you think I'm going
down that road, I'm not.That'll be safe for maybe something else.
My point about this is seeing thisin ww B acknowledge it was kind of
cool and and and anytime you geta real life, horrific, tragic event

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involved in wrestling, it just kindof reminds you how thankful you are for
wrestling and you know, just kindof be able to find a place to
to run and hide away from reallife at times and have that just space
to be involved in a product thatisn't so serious. You know, that's
just anyway, just horrible. Butwe thenk got Logan Paul coming out and

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Seampunk was drafted to raw the PrideWe're drafted to smack down Tiffany Stratton comes
to smack down again a very mucha draft that was not wholesale changes but
rather kind of mild to moderate changesand really just it felt like about seventy

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five percent of the rosters stayed thesame, which is, you know,
I think when we hear draft,we think everyone is changing brands everyone,
and that can't happen, right becauseif if everyone changes brands, that you're
gonna end up with the same rosteris just a different color, right,
Everyone that's on Raw is gonna gosmack that ever goes back that It doesn't

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make sense, So not everyone canchange brands. But this one particularly felt
like the draft didn't do a wholelot because they told us upfront that the
champions are tied to their brands thatthey're currently on, so they were exempt.
So that took the top players,a lot of them right out of
the gate, off the board.So I mean it, which is it's

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fine. I mean again, thiswas a might say mile to moderate shakeup.
However, you know they're just goingto violate when they need to violate
their rules anyway, and I've toldyou I give it like if I was
to say a number of weeks,I'd give it two weeks before they decide
to just violate their rules, theirown rules after May sixth. Anyway,

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all right, we got Jay Uscoming out and he let's see Paul Oh.
Jay played to the crowd and teased, shutting Logan Paul's mouth, and
Paul said that Jay couldn't out yeathim because he's been doing it since twenty
seventeen. I didn't know. MaybeI guess he is. But Finn Baler

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and j D McDonagh come out andthey started beating down Jay, and Patrick
Mahomes gave him his gave his SuperBowl rings to Logan. Paul tried to
hit Jay with it, but hemoved and j D McDonagh got taken out
and Braun Stroman made his entrance andhe choked, slammed Balor and Paul,
while Paul headed to ringside, andso bron Stroman's back. Fine, cool,

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I mean, I'm willing to seewhat maybe a Paul Leveck version of
braun Stroman looks like. It's fine. Yeah, I'm not super excited.
It didn't go crazy for a BronzeStroman return, but it's nice to see
him back, and he is abig name on RAW. It's fine,

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all right, Let's see. Wegot Booker T being interviewed and McIntyre was
also there, and there was aninteraction that again not not a big deal
with McIntyre and Booker T. Allright. We then got Sammy's Ain versus
bronsonry for the Intercontinental title. Sammyz Ain beats Bronson Reed by DQ in

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about eight minutes, and it wasby DQ because Chad Gable attacked Zane from
behind after the Halluvia kick caused thed Q, and then Gable puts Zane
in the ankle locke while Cole andZane. Cole said Zane is obsessed with
winning the Intercontinental Championship or other Gable. Gable released the hold and then Reid

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hit Zane of the tsunami splash andthen Reid stood over Zane and held up
the belt. So clearly a triplethread. You can see that coming a
mile away. Writing's on the wall, read the tea leaves, pick your
analogy. It's there, and Iwas hoping for a one on one.
Reid is the X factor here.He's the one that's gonna take probably the
pin. There's almost no chance hewins. It's really about Gable and Zane.

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Why Reid is being involved in this, I mean, you're trying to
build new stars. So again,that's fine with me. If the the
idea is to build new stars,get people to understand who and what someone
is that you've never seen before,fine, But it does feel very much
like read like you know, Reidneeds to go away, Bronser needs to

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go away and let Sammy and Chadtell her story. It very much feels
like that, Like I'm annoyed byhaving Bronson Reid involved. I feel like
he should not be. But they'realso trying to build new stars, and
you can't build new stars if youignore them and not put them in programs.
So it's kind of a contrast ofgoals here, But ultimately I understand

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the the bigger the bigger picture andthat's fine, all right. We then
got to, of course the liveMorgan and Dominic mysterio walking out of the
same dressing room moments. That wasinteresting. Antony and I talk about that
on the second part of the showhere, so I'll save my thoughts for
that. We got let's see roundthree of the draft where Shinsky gets drafted

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to smack down Drew gets drafted toraw l Wo comes to Rawlegatto, delf
Fantasma comes to smack down Ron Simmonsfor Rouke. I mean, he couldn't
even get out half those words.I guess he's never said the words logatto,
delf phantasma in his life. Hehad trouble even with Santos Escobar and
Angel and Umberto, like it wasall over the place, but hey,

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they are He didn't just he didn'tsay, like, you know, uh,
Jeff Smith, you know it isa those are obviously uh Spanish names,
So damn right, all right.Seampunk comes out after Drew went on
a tirade. He asked if APAhad everyone drinking since Friday. Mctyre said,

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Punk is now a corporate ass kisser. I would I would prefer,
by the way, if both Seamusand Drew, stop using the word arse.
It's it's you know, we cansay the word ass now it's okay.
I maybe it's the Scottish way ofsaying it, but I don't care.
It still sounds like they're trying toself censor when they don't need to

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anymore. It's just it's just like, guys, no, just just say
ass. It's okay please. It'sjust pet peeve of mine. But moving
on. We then McIntyre is showinghis elbow brace and said he suffered a
fractured elbow and Punk tripped him atMania and said he continues to work like
a real man. Punk had hismusic play. He was in a luxury

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box. He said, I'm notsitting at home. I'm right here,
you little itch with a bee andRon Simmons said damn, which is always
fun. And then we had seehim Punk be chased. Well, he
wasn't chase, but rather Drew switchedplaces with Punk. Punk sat in the
middle of the ring and cut apromo which was you know, fine,

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we did get it was only acouple of minutes. Maybe it was a
couple of minutes worth. He saidhe loves Kansas City and the people who
inhabit it, so he didn't wantto waste their time and said he wanted
to do this in less time thanMcIntyre was world champion. And he said
that McIntyre is only good for tweetingand that that's why he was drafted before

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McIntyre, and Punk said he wasdrafted before McIntire. Do simply wrestling economics,
and losers hope things happen, Punksaid, And losers pray for things
to happen. Winners make it happen. Eh, cheesy whatever, So this
continues to be Honestly, I didnot expect Punk to be there in person,

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nor did I expect him to looklike he's not injured anymore. But
he did say when he's cleared,you know, look out. And they're
building nicely and we're keeping things relevantin the minds of fans and not letting
it get too cold with Punk andWithdrew. I still don't know when Punk

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is going to be cleared. Idon't know if w W does. They're
probably eyeing a certain date, maybemoney in the bank, maybe the event
in Saudi, maybe all the wayto SummerSlam. I don't know, but
they are doing a nice job thusfar over the last couple of months of
keeping this at a pace where it'snot overwhelming, but it is enough to
keep you interested. So I dolike the pace that they've told so far,

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where Drew is still in pros regularlyon raw, having matches with people
that aren't named CM Punk, andthen having Punk still kind of be that
dark cloud that follows Drew around thatdrives him crazy. And I'd love it.
I love it. Live Morgan versusNaya Jack's ten minute match here,
with Live beating Naya as she should, because you know she's been on a

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role as of late. There's noofficial women's match for the pay per view
here the pl for backlash, butyou would imagine Live versus Nya versus Becky's
coming soon. But Live Morgan andI I think both did a very nice
job here. Jack's with her weight, it's just much of what it is

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doesn't take moves as cleanly as alot of the other women. But hey,
physics, folks. You know,Nya has vastly improved since her first
run in WWE. I like hergimmick, she feels confident. I've said
this before, her entering can alwaysimprove, but she's a bigger woman,
so like, she's not gonna lookthe same in the ring, move the

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same at the same speed, withthe same timing. It's just because of
her weight, that's all. Butat the same time, I would like
to see what a Naya Jacks titlerun is. We've never seen that.
Yeah, so I feel like NiaJacks is long overdue for a title run
and there's no better version of Nyato test it with. But based on

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what we're looking for in the futureand if Rhea's coming back in a few
months, it doesn't make sense forNaya to be champion. It makes sense,
honestly for Live to be And alsoAnthony and I break that down again
in part two of this show.All right, we got QR flash code
flash before Bubba and Devon came out, and the which again many people believe

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is bo Dallas. It makes sense, right, They did the wuss up
it, get the tables testify,fun little nostalgic moment. They did round
five and we got Valcira valc Vlco. I can't say it. I even
screwed it up with Anthony. Icannot pronounce her name. Valkyrea. Good

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god, I'm just gonna stop beforeI hurt myself. We got Lyra,
I can say Lyra, I cansay her first name. Uh so embarrassing.
So Lyra got drafted draw and youknow what, she seemed genuinely shocked
and genuinely moved by the pick.I don't think the NXT stars knew.
It seemed legitimate that they didn't knowthey were being selected or who was until

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it actually happened. So if that'sthe case, I mean, that's kind
of a cool way to do it. Our truth in them is versus Otis
and a Curra Tzou for the worldtitle or world tag team titles, and
Otis in them is I'm sorry.Our truth in them is defeat Otis and
Akira to retain the tag team championshipfairly quick match where is dropkicked Otis to

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prevent him from running in while Truthpinned to Zawa. So again, I
think the days are very much numberedfor Truth and MZ. I still think
that, you know, the nexttime that they defend him could be their
last. Yeah, all right,we got a lot of Patrick mahomes uh,

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and then we get to let's seeJay Rikoshet and on John Ay versus
the World heavyweight champion Damian Priest,Finn Baler, and j D McDonough.
The main event here was a sixman tag team match, which ended with
Jay, Rikoshe and andred A beatingDamien, Finn and JD in ten minutes

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and forty seconds, with Jay ussogetting the splash and pinning Baler. Makes
sense that the guy that's challenging forthe top championship on Raw gets the victory,
trying to make him look as strongas he can heading into the PL.
I think that Jay and Damian Priesthave I have a program that is
I wouldn't say it's ice cold,but it's not exactly a program that's on

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fire. They've done enough to makeus interested and make some of us kind
of believe maybe Jay could win simplyfor the fact that Damien is not viewed
as a long term champion anyway.So we'll see how that plays out.
But anytime you have a WrestleMania,especially a new champion after WrestleMania defend their

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championship on the next PL, there'slike a ninety nine percent chance they are
not losing it. So I stilldon't think Jay's gonna win, but I
guess wait till later in the weekfrom my official preview predictions. We'll see
if that my mind changes by then. All right, so again, fine,

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end to Raw, some star power, big return from bron stroman Punk,
there some decent wrestling. The draftwas eh, you know whatever.
The order made no sense, therosters didn't get changed up too much,
the champions didn't go anywhere. UhSo it's not exactly the biggest shakeup in

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ww draft history. But you knowwhat, they can still do trades.
I said this at last year's draft. If you don't like something, why
couldn't they just initiate a trade andsay, hey, there's a blockbuster trade
coming between the two shows. Idon't know why they don't do that or
haven't done that, but they couldif they ever need to. They do
this like a you know, abig move or two to kind of hold

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things over throughout the year, becauseI don't think they're going to do this
again until after Wrestlmating next year,and if the rosters largely look the same,
they're gonna have to just violate theirrules within a few months to keep
things fresh and interesting heading into SummerSlamand beyond. And of course, some
you know, some viviers series andwar games, all that, and then
nixt Year's rumble, So with therosters largely the same. I mean,

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there's only so many stories you cantell with the finite number of people you
have on your on your specific roster. So if you're not gonna you know,
if you're not going to stick tothe rules of the draft, then
you got to violate those rules tokeep things fresh and interesting, which I
think they'll do and have proven theydon't care about doing. But all right,

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well, I think that'll do itfor the things I didn't talk about
because Anthony and I went off therails as we do. So if you're
looking for a podcast that tells youit's one thing and you get another,
you were on the right show becauseANTHONYDD we really I mean, I covered
raw here, so I wanted todo that. But also again we covered
a little bit of raw, alot of just draft draft draft draft thoughts,
uh, and some stuff at theend that is non draft related with

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the pandemic and thoughts and previous youknow years that during the pandemic and you'll
see. But again, I apologizeif you hear screaming or sound into my
background, or if I sound likeI'm trying to whisper. It's because I
am so so I just want tosay that. But thank you everybody for

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listening. Anthony is coming your wayin just a moment. I'll be back
tomorrow with the mail bag if Ican. If not, I'll be back
Thursday with it, and then thepreview prediction show shortly thereafter, and then
we're off to the races with thepl on Saturday. Thank you everybody for
listening, And here we go withAnthony myself. Focus on that. Welcome

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to the WWE Podcast. Here we'regonna be covering a little bit of Monday
Net Rob, but really focusing onthe draft here tonight with Anthony DeMarco.
As we were going to do thecurrent state of WWE yesterday but decided,
hey, we're gonna wait till thedraft fully wraps up and then give our
thoughts on it as it has concludednow last night in Kansas City, if
you didn't know where they were,I mean I think they said it thirty

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times or more just to let usknow where they were. And we have
a complete draft now we now knowwho is where. Doesn't seem to be
a lot of massive change, butwe'll get into it here with Anthony and
how you doing in me. Inthe draft, there weren't any monumental changes.
I mean, I felt like themost significant change was probably bron Breaker

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going to Monday Night Raw, andI felt like he almost got the position
as to which I thought La Knightwould be getting NYA Jack's going to smack
Down. I think was relatively significant. And you know what, I don't
particularly hate them keeping the rosters similarbecause I think they have a good thing
going on both shows, although Ido think Monday Night Raw needed some additional

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star power, specifically on the babyfaceside, and I imagine they're giving that
spot to bron Breaker and a returningShamus is going to help in that capacity
and once Sampunk returns and all that. But the only thing that kind of
confused me is that if you weregoing to go this road, which I
do believe was a good choice becauseof the established storylines and foundations they have
on the respective brands, why didyou do it in this format that it

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was like a redraft, and whynot go back to like the old system
that they had from even like fiveto six, seven years ago or twenty
years ago, where you kept thefoundations of your roster the same, and
then each brand got like X amountof picks at random or something like.

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I remember in two thousand and five, for like a month straight, every
Raw would draft someone and every SmackDownSmackDown would draft someone, and it would
turn and it culminated to like Ithink ten swaps per brand or something like
that. So if they were goingto go this road by more or less
keeping both rosters the same, I'mjust confused as to why they went with

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like a complete redraft of the wholeroster. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, based on you know, what you said and what I've seen
as well over the last couple ofdays, there wasn't a whole lot of
massive change. The format was whatit was. They had their war rooms,
you know, think what you willabout that very you know, very

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much a performative deal where you havethe imaginary powers that be who are pretending
to make picks, and that's fine, you know. And yeah, I
think that instead of a rebranding ofthe whole roster, maybe that would have
been better. I mean a lotof the picks made no sense, Like
how the hell is Drew McIntyre inthe third round. I mean, I
like things that just don't make senseat all. That are, if you're

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really drafting your roster, are youreally choosing Drew Mcatyre, who's been prominent
in a prominent position and in winninga world title at WrestleMania for five minutes
and you know, being one ofthe best performers that you've had over the
last six twelve months, You're pickinghim in third round. And then you
also have aj Styles not picked inthe first round. He's in the I
think he was like in the fourthround of the first I mean, it's

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just the whole the whole thing madeno sense if you're actually supposed to believe
this is a real draft. Butwhen you look at the rosters, yeah,
bron Breaker making a change over toRaw is a big deal. Shamus
coming over to Raw, Keana Jamescoming to Raw, Brounz Stroman, I
don't know which. We haven't reallytalked too much about Bronz Stroman, but
he made his appearance last night andtook out Logan Paul and his cronies.

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And I don't know, what didyou what did you make of Bronze Stroman
returning to Raw? And I meanhe looked way less shredded. He looked
like he put on a few LB'sand he's another one that's suffering from the
bald spot I guess issue. ButI mean, I'm a Bronze Stroman fan.

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I think that they could stand toadd more depth to his character.
But I just think that there's alwaysa benefit to having a mobile big man
on the roster, and I thinkbron Stroman has kind of become the modern
day version of Kin. I mean, I'm wondering as to what his creative
direction is. I imagine it hassomething to do with this depending Wyatt family

(30:49):
return, as we all know wherethat's going. But I mean, look,
bron Strowman is what he is.He's going to Monday Night Raw.
That will give him some stone powderas well. But I mean, is
he going to change the game.Do I think he's ever going to get
back to like a world championship levelwhere he was in the early days of
the pandemic era? Probably not,But I do see value in someone like

(31:11):
bron Strowman. And for his size, I've always thought he's very good in
the ring. Yeah, and forhis size, he does things that he
shouldn't be able to do, andyou know, he is very athletic for
a big man. He is abit one dimensional in the sense that he
doesn't have really great promos. He'salways yelling, he's always roaring, He's

(31:32):
I mean like he's he's a bigman that is intimidating, and he plays
his role well. As you said, I don't think he's going to get
to world title status, or atleast maybe he could compete, but you
know, he almost has no chanceof winning kind of at that point.
And like you said, he couldbe involved in some kind of bray Wyatt
tribute group that's coming with Bo Dallasand whoever. But I mean, we

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don't know yet and when. Butwhen you look at the rest of the
roster for RAW, I mean youhave Damian pre still there. You have
Becky Lynch who's still there, youhave Sammy Zaine who's still there. The
World Tag Team Champions and our Truthin Them is there, Jay Us still
there, Seth Rollins is still there, Live Morgan's still there. So really
at the core, these rosters stillkind of look the same. What really

(32:15):
surprised me and I know that wehave Roman Reigns who somehow it made himself
ineligible for the draft, which makesno sense, but we'll roll with it.
Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns are stillnot on the same roster as of
this moment. I just, Imean, how are we going to get
to a Seth Rollins in Roman Reignsmatchup. Maybe we're not considering that Roman
Reigns is essentially a babyface right now. I know he's not slated to return

(32:37):
for a little while, but Ijust I don't know. I hope at
some point we get Seth Rollins andRoman Reigns on the same damn rush.
I mean, that would that wouldbe preferable. But I think they're doing
this in order to have Roman Reignsbe flexible, because obviously the bloodline is
going to continue living on SmackDown,and it's a bloodline that's completely different than

(33:00):
what we're accustomed to. It's abrand new version of the blood line.
And actually appreciated that on SmackDown.That's what Paul Hayman alluded to, was
the fact that he said, like, nobody knows who you're drafting with the
blood line anymore. But I thinkthat this is them being able to say,
like, Roman Reigns is now RomanReigns, if you think about it,

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is essentially becoming the new brock Lesner. And brock Lesner was always I
guess absolved from the draft in thelast several years. He was always a
free agent. He go to anyshow he wanted. So I mean,
I guess that's the avenue they're goingwith. But at the same time,
I don't think it's really gonna matterbecause for the time being, at least

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you could have put Roman Reigns onSmackDown. Because given the fact that you
could, I guess right off,at least the next month or two,
if not three, right till SummerSlam. I don't see seth Rawlins being in
Roman Rains's crosshairs for at least anotherwhat another year? Maybe, Like if
we're being honest, when's the nexttime that we could realistically see a program

(34:04):
between seth Rawlins and Roman Reigns.Well, that's the thing, because you're
you're likely not going to turn sethRawlins heel for a while. You're not
going to turn Roman Reigns into whathe was for four years here, which
is the top heel you've you've you'vealready heard the rewant Roman chance they've the
fans are already wanting Roman Reigns toreturn to see how he deals with Solo

(34:27):
so Cola, taking the rains,so to speak, taking charge of the
bloodline, bringing in new people abouthis permission, all these different things that
people want to see how the fansor how Roman Reigns is going to deal
with that. And I think that'sthe that's already turned Roman Reigns a baby
face without him doing a dance.And I mean, I look at the
landscape now, kind of going backto the draft here, and I think

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they've set up Monday Night rall wellwith the structure. The one thing I
was curious about that they kind ofwent with was that the champions were were
protected, and I found that peculiarbecause in years where you had brand exclusive
championships like the women's titles and thetag titles, they weren't protected and you

(35:09):
could swap the titles. But nowthey have Triple H has completely revamped the
titles and there's no more brand exclusivechampionships. Now they're all exclusive, like
the WWEE ones are synonymous with SmackDownand the World ones are synonymous with Raw.
And then obviously you have the Ic title in the US title respectively
on each brand. But for you, were you disappointed at all that the

(35:32):
that the champions were protected? Itwas interesting. It definitely is not something
Vince McMahon has done in the past. What I don't understand is maybe we
talked about this before with Cody Rhoades, who was told to who was told
to us that he is a SmackDownguy, and yet it wasn't the draft.
The draft doesn't doesn't draft titles,It drafts people. So if the

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titles are going to remain with thepeople who were on the Ross they originally
were, well, Cody rhads wouldbe on Raw. He didn't just switch
to the SmackDown brand because he wonthat the w W un disputed championship.
But I mean, that's here northere. I mean, I don't have
an issue with it. It kindof told you right off the bat that
there's not gonna be a lot ofwholesale changes, that the guys and gals
who are the top of the ofthe company right now are going to remain

(36:19):
where they are. It kind oftold you that they had a roster that
they already felt comfortable with at acore for both SmackDown, and I can
appreciate that. I liked the factof keeping the foundations together, and like,
one of the most well done draftsin execution was the five one back
when I did Retro. I actuallyremember I covered this draft, and you

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kept all your rosters still intact,but for a month straight, Raw would
get a draft pick per week,SmackDown get a draft pick per week,
And the first draft pick to MondayNight Raw was John Cena, and he
brought the WWE Championship over to MondayNight Raw. And then there was all
this suspense and you went like amonth with SmackDown with no world champion and

(37:04):
Raw with two world champions and thenin the final week, the final pick
to SmackDown, they get Batista,who brings over the World Championship. And
I thought that one of the reasonswhy they did this was because you could
leave the champions up for grabs inthese drafts, because remember how goofy it
was when like the Universal Championship wasred and then it goes over to SmackDown

(37:27):
with Bray Wide, and then theyswitch it to blue, and then Charlotte
and Becky do the infamous swapping ofchampionships and like the only titles that were
really interchangeable were the IC and theUS just because they were their own entities.
So I don't know. I thoughtthat maybe you could have swapped like
the US and the inter Continental,or maybe Cody would have stayed on Ron

(37:51):
and Damian Priest would have gone toSmackDown with the World Championship. I just
thought that it was a wrinkle thatwas taken away when it was readily available
because of the rebanding of the championships. But to your point, I don't
mind keeping the foundations of each rosterintact. I just think that maybe if
you want to go down this road, which is perfectly fine, shake it

(38:13):
up a bit, just do Xamount of random selections for each brand and
not just rejigging the entire foundation ofboth rosters. Yeah, that's probably a
better way to approach it. Ifyou're looking at this, and WWE continues
in the future in the twenty twentyfive and twenty twenty six draft that they

(38:34):
tell us that the champions are alwaysgoing to be immune from actually moving,
Like, if you're a Champion,you're not going anywhere you were on the
brand that you're on. I thinkthat again, that tells it takes some
excitement out of the draft because you'renot going to have these massive moves and
changes. But at the same time, then that kind of tampers your expectations
and it kind of takes it downa peg or two because then you know,

(38:57):
hey, Okay, my champions aren'tmoving, but at least we could
have potential champions who are in thesecond and third tier move. And I
don't know how did you feel aboutMaybe you didn't feel too strongly about it
either way, But when you havethese picks the way that they got chosen,
did you feel that it was abig deal that you had some people
that made no sense to be inthe first round and the second round or

(39:20):
did you not really care at theend of the day, you just look
at the rosters what they are inthe presentation. I did find it a
big goofy, like for me,like, why is Carmelo Hayes a first
round pick? And I get itthey're trying to position him well, but
I mean it's just it's kind oflike, look like I have Night two,
which I do find that Night two'sdraft selections made a lot more sense,

(39:45):
like raw drafted Imperium first overall withGunther and bloodwig Kaiser. Then Jake
Cargill goes to SmackDown both. Sofar both makes sense. But then Raw
Draft's damage Control. I'm just likeso Rodraf's damage control with their second pick
in the first round, and thentheir next pick in round two is cm

(40:08):
punk. In what world is damagecontrol more of a coveted selection than cmpunk
or for that matter, SmackDown.They draft Kevin Owens with the second pick
in the first round. Love KevinOwens, but does he make more sense
than cmpunk? You know, DrewMcIntyre went after the LWO in round three

(40:30):
like it's it's stupid, like whenyou look at it, like when you
take a step back on a macroscale. Both rosters make a lot of
sense, and I think they madethe subtle changes that you needed to make.
Like for us, we were bothin locks that we believed that La
Knight had a one way ticket toMonday Night Raw. But like I said,
I think they gave brawn Breaker thatspot on Monday Night Raw, which

(40:52):
I mean, you can critique it. I'm not sure how I feel about
it, but it is what itis. But everything else kind of fell
as I would imagine it too.But when you do it in this type
of format where you're trying to replicatemaybe the NFL or the NBA or whatever
sports league in a real draft setting, some of these picks really do not
make any sense, Like you said, like Drew McIntyre going behind the LWO,

(41:15):
going behind Bronze Strowman, going behindDamage Control, like he just won
the World Championship at WrestleMania, likeI don't know. It's there are a
very very like weird selections, likeeven Bronson Reid. Bronson Reid was the
last televised pick on on Monday forMonday Night Raw. The last televised pick

(41:39):
for Monday Night Raw was Bronson Reid, the guy who just laid out Chad
Gable and Sammy Zain in the IntercontinentalChampionship picture earlier on in the night.
So there were a lot of thingsthat didn't make sense. And what did
you think about Baron Corbyn? Hewas actually considered being quote unquote called up

(41:59):
from Edix. He's going to smackdown. But do you have any feelings
on a Baron Corbin now coming toSmackDown and getting a G I guess a
repromotion. I've always been a BaronCorbyn fan, specifically when he was the
lone Wolf. But what I've alwaysliked about Baron Corbyn, more so than
his look, is that every stupidgimmick that he's gotten constable Corbyn, King

(42:22):
Corbyn, sad Corbin, happy Corbyn, he's always made it like stomachable,
like you'll never like he has gottensome of the dumbest gimmicks, but you've
never seen him be channel changing.And I actually think he's really really good
in the ring. I think there'suntapped potential with Baron Corbyn, which is

(42:45):
crazy to say because I think hedebuted it. He debuted when at like
WrestleMania thirty two. I think itwas when he won the Andre the Giant
Memorial Battle Royal, So we're talkingabout eight years now when he first showed
up on the main roster. Iremember when he went to SmackDown Live,
when they first brought back the brandsplit, when Shane was in charge of

(43:06):
SmackDown and Stephanie was in charge ofRaw and he was a massive deal on
SmackDown. He won the money inthe bank and all that. So I'm
looking forward to Baron Corbin I don'tknow what his gimmick has been in NXT.
I know that he briefly brought backthe Lone Bowle stuff that really did
not get enough runway on the mainroster. But I'm really curious to see

(43:28):
what Baron Corbyn could do without VinceMcMahon getting his grubby paws on him,
because the latt did was Triple EF, the one who oversaw the JBL stuff.
Yeah, I think so that wasreally unfortunate because that was like a
spin off of Happy Corbin, whichreally didn't work. But I'm curious to
see what a serious Baron Corbyn coulddo, if in fact that's his character.

(43:53):
That's kind of what I was gonnasay too, is you don't have
Vince McMahon here looking at corbyin assome kind of comedy act. I mean,
you have Corbyn here who could showyou what we have been missing through
the Nce McMahon years. And nowwe'll see what that triple H can do
and come up with. Because Iagree, well, Corbyn has at times
again not channel changing. He's notKofi Kingston, you know, he's not

(44:15):
the New Day. But at thesame time he has he felt stale at
times, But not. I don'tgroan or say, oh my god,
you know this is this is thisis terrible. I've never felt like Baron
Corbin is a not an asset tothe company. I mean, I think
the worst state part that he wentthrough in his career was the dog food
on Roman reigns. I mean,I think that was right before the pandemic,

(44:36):
when they had like a six monthprogram. That might have been the
worst part. But after that,I mean, he's gone through a lot
of evolutions, and arguably I thinkhis sad Corbyn happy Corbyn winning the lottery
or winning a winning it big inVegas was the coffee or the ketchup stained
T shirts and all that was hilarious. So I have more hope than I
have in the past to see whatthey do with Baron Corbyn on SmackDown.

(44:59):
Maybe they'll try to bring it backas a baby face, but it's really
difficult to sell Braun or sell himas a as a as a baby face.
He's so just inherently unlikable. SoI have high hopes. And then
you look at the others from NXTthat I know you and I don't watch
a whole lot of it, butthere were including Corbin. Uh. There
were seven call ups from NXT,Blair Davenport, d Jack Lyra val I

(45:21):
just want to say Valkyide. It'snot it's Valcira. It's so bad.
I don't even like know. Ican't pronounce their names, count of James,
Carmelo Hayes, and Dragon Off.So there are these names that I
won't I can't pronounce some of them. I'm sure we'll be able to pronounce
them in short order. Because thisis kind of what a draft is.
If you look at the NFL orotherwise, you do want to bring up
the new talent. These are theones that are you could look towards the

(45:44):
future for and I think we're lookingat seven or six, not including Corbin,
of these men and women that couldlead us into the the new ver
this new age of w W andCarmelo Hayes having a match with Cody Rhodes
on Raw was I mean, Ithink it's a statement to the fans,
hey, this is a name thatyou're going to recognize moving forward and having

(46:05):
a competitive match with Cody Rhodes onRaw this past week. But yeah,
I think that the NXT show hada nice They had a nice showing it's
seven picks. It's not overwhelming.I think it's just enough to add new
blood into the ros, So Iwould agree with that. I mean again,
I'm not really that privy to what'sgoing on in NXT. I thought

(46:28):
it was a nice touch having SewnMichaels congratulate the wrestlers that were drafted to
NXT and like handing them whichever hadof the brand that they were drafted to.
I mean, look, I meanI'm not sure how star studded NXT
is right now. Like, obviouslyyou have the Dragonov, the one who

(46:49):
went to Raw. He just droppedthe NXT Championship. They made a big
deal of the girl who she wentto was it Raw? She was like
the last televised pick on Friday Night. I'm I mean again, like I
like ignorant. I'll played ignorance herethat I'm really not up to speed with
NXT like I probably should be,but I am always curious to see what

(47:09):
kind of impacts still have. Likea bron Breaker making the jump here although
he was he already technically on SmackDown, I believe he was right. Yeah,
that's a good question. Uh,let me look here, I believe
he's like a big deal that makesall the sign bron Breaker, Yes he

(47:30):
was, he was technically exactly,and like there were some of those that
were funny, like bron Breaker justsigned with SmackDown. Now you guys,
he's on Raw on Roddy just signedwith Raw and now he's on SmackDown.
Like when I look at these shakeups, I have to say like it was
more at the lower end of theroster that I think the more significant I

(47:52):
guess movement was made. Like forme, And again maybe it's just because
I'm onreally stickley high on this group, but one of the changes that I'm
the most excited for, aside fromNia Jack's going to SmackDown because I think
her going over there, Like quickside note, do you not really like

(48:13):
the setup of the women's division onSmackDown right now? It is, you
know, and I don't even haveCharlotte back yet. Because you have Tiffany
Stratton, who I think is abudding superstar, Naomi who's finally getting like
a relevant kind of story. Baileyobviously, I think she's doing a great
job. You have Bionca bell Airand Jay Cargo, who I imagine are

(48:34):
going to win the women's tag titlesthis coming Saturday. And now Nya Jacks
like, even with no Charlotte andBionca and Jake Cargill out of the single
women's championship picture, like, youhave enough women with Nia, Naomi and
Tiffany and Bailey to kind of stringout stories right past SummerSlam. I would
say, oh, easily. Andthen if you ever wanted to split up

(48:58):
some of the tag teams like ChelseaGreen, Piper Niven and Indie Heartwell and
Candice Lra, you could do that. I mean, we're already thin on
tag teams as it is by defaultin w w E. That's just their
their nature. But yeah, Ithink from a singles perspective, even without
Charlotte, although Charlotte in the nextcouple of months, I think it's going
to make a big impact and uh, you know, maybe try to.

(49:20):
I don't know if Charlotte ll turnheel or not. We'll we'll get there
when we get there. But evenwithout her, You're right, it is.
It is a nice setup on SmackDownright now, and I think that
this is going to be a reallyfun summer leading into Summer Slam. Of
course, A couple of pay perviews before that. But yeah, this
is even the tag team divisions.Okay, I think that they're in a
good spot. And you know,you look at raw as I'm looking at

(49:40):
the raw side of things. Forthe women, you know you've got you
know, you got damage control,which again why they were drafted in the
way they were and the ranking makesno sense. But you have Keana James,
you have you have Live Morgan,you have Shana Baslers, Zoways Stark,
you have an albu Fire, IslaDawn. You have let's see or

(50:01):
Natalia, which I mean so she'sjust kind of like wallpaper. She's just
always there. She's Kayden Carter andKatana Chance, Odyssey Jones or I'm sorry,
now I see Jones. It's nota woman. But I think even
on smack that or the row sideof things, we've got a really nice
roster. I think they did anice job sitting down. Triple As did
a really good job sitting down andtrying to evenly split the women and figure

(50:24):
out, hey, what are potentialmatchups moving forward. I think that because
between Becky and liv Morgan and wheneverRio returns, and it really seems like
they're going with like an affair anglebetween Live and Dominic, which is,
you know, it's pretty messed upto see how far we've come. But
like it's an adult angle, butit's not like a rated R Like it's

(50:45):
just a very realistic angle, rightnot. I like it. I can't
remember the last time they did ana fair angle and the way that they
did it in the background, Liveleaves a room and then ten seconds later
dom leaves a room. Yeah,they're doing it in a way that's still
PG and we'll see how far theycan take it. I like it because
I think this is gonna be reallyfun where we have. I mean,

(51:08):
obviously ree Ripley when she comes back, is going to confront Dominic about what's
going on. This is probably gonnabuild and build and build, and that's
gonna lead to the official split ofdomin Rhea and the complete full throttle push
for Ree Ripley as a baby face, because that's the last tie really that's
holding her from being a full outbabyface is Dominic mysterio. Even when she's
in the judgment day, people cheerish. So this is gonna be a fun,

(51:30):
fun storyline. Well, and that'sthe thing is that I think that
you have well, first of all, I think that Live has found her
niche Like you've been trying to figureout what kind of character Lives should be.
I think this is it. Ithink they finally finally found it.
It fits her perfectly. I mean, I'm not a huge Becky Lynch fan,

(51:51):
but I think that after I've digestedit a bit, not that I
hate it in the moment, pardonme, but I do think that she
was the right woman to win theWorld Championship, right right in the the
immediate aftermath of Ria being injured andsurrendering it or vacating it rather. But

(52:12):
I think that with Rhea Ripley comingback, I would imagine she'll be back
in time for SummerSlam. You haveBecky, you have Live. But just
between these three women, you canprobably stretch a story into Survivor serieses.
And to be honest with you,based on how we've kind of outlooked all
of this, I think Charlotte wouldmake more sense to come back to Monday
Night Raw. Oh yeah, Imean I wouldn't hate that either. It's

(52:37):
a three hour show, more timeto fill more spots, more minutes.
I think that would be actually maybea better idea depending on where SmackDown is
the time, you know, Ithink the thinking is that they don't know
what the scene is going to looklike with the landsape's going to look like
by the time Charlotte's ready to returnin a couple of months. Maybe they

(52:57):
don't want to commit because hey,you know, of SmackDown kind of needs
her. They see things working outa little bit better if she comes back
there. She'll fit Red in versusRaw. So it's makes sense. It's
smart that they're not drafting, youknow, Charlotte Flair at this time.
But yeah, I think that thisis gonna be a lot of fun with
like liv Morgan, like you said, I mean, but she has come
a long way from the Riot squadand just being a essentially a rag doll

(53:22):
for Ronda Rousey for how many freakingmonths, just being beat match after match
pretty much a joke of a group. And really, like you said,
she's found her, She's found herlittle spot, She's found who and kind
of what she is and her Honestly, even her and Nijacks, I think
this past Monday did a pretty decentjob with their match. I've really enjoyed

(53:45):
that match, and I didn't thinkI would. And Nia Jacks, to
her credit, and I'm not abig fan of hers on other levels,
but in the ring and and onthe mic, she's found who she is
too, so live and I thinkNia Jacks are both kind of peaking at
the same time. Even though youhave a champion that is I mean,
you and I kind of still feelthe same way I'd imagine about Becky Lynch's

(54:05):
champion. It's kind of like,okay, sure, Like I don't hate
it, I don't love it,It's just okay. I mean. She
even kind of shot herself in thefoot in her promo on Monday, where
she said, you know, sixyears ago I stood over there and this
is where the man was born.And now I'm still you know, I'm
still here saying the same thing.I'm like, yeah, that's the problem,
Becky, Like this is the problem, Like your character has not evolved

(54:29):
from six years ago. Well look, I mean I'm not a huge Becky
Lynch fan. I find her boring. I find when she tries to be
funny it kind of makes my skincrawl. Like when she grabbed the mic
from what Jack Jackie Redman last weekon her way to the ring, Like
I know that I'm in the minorityyear like you, because I think she
got a pretty big pop And Iwill objectively say that I think she was

(54:52):
the right person to be the women'sWorld champion. In the interim here she
is a transitional champion. I thinkit eventually goes to Live and then we're
gonna get a legit live re program. But you still have to respect the
star power. But to your point, it's like it's been the same stuff
now, like the man thing startedwhat in late twenty eighteen. I think

(55:13):
that's what it was. Yes,Yeah, So like it's like and not
to say that you have to completelylike reinvent yourself, like I do think
there there is like an opposite endof that spectrum where you're Chris Jericho,
like where he's just randomly super upsetif someone refers to him as Y two
J Like that kind of stuff pissesme off a bit because that is your

(55:34):
character and you have to keep staytrue to the foundation of your character.
But I don't know with Becky,it's just like at least with Big Time
Becks, like it was it wasa bit different, Like it was still
the same character, but it wasa bit different, but now it's just
completely back to like twenty nineteen Becky. And like I mean, it's before
the pandemic, right that we're talkingwhen she was the double champion and all

(55:57):
that. So I don't know,it's not for me. But again,
objectively speaking, I do think thatshe's checking that box of star power on
Monday's Women's Division. Yeah, nodoubt about it. She's she's their biggest
star with Ria Ripley out there.I think arguably she is and not you
can ever go wrong with Becky aschampion. But like like you said,

(56:21):
it just it doesn't feel exciting.I mean, you again, very positive
reaction, but there isn't this overwhelmingfeeling of just like, oh, yes,
Becky's champion again. I don't thinkmost fans feel that. I think
most fans are kind of like,cool, Okay, we know what to
expect here. But if you're stillsaying and doing the same thing six years
later, I don't think that that'sthat's really conducive to progress with your character

(56:44):
or evolution of your character. Thatsaid, it's she's still very successful.
I just I've been a little bitbored with her character as well, and
when she does do comedy, it'sit's never funny, almost never. But
to be fair, comedy is verydifficult to very difficult. I'm not saying
that she should be good at it, but if you're not really good at
it, don't do it. Somaybe somebody doesn't hasn't told her, or

(57:07):
it doesn't have the guts to tell. I mean, I don't know what
it is. But maybe she thinksshe's funny or whatever. I don't know,
but I don't I agree when shetries to be funny nine times out
of ten, it's just kind oflike, uh, please stop the paint.
But she's decent on the mic mostof the time, never really blows
me away on the mic. Butshe's one of the women's pioneers in wrestling.

(57:28):
She is a big name. Sheis what she says she is.
The man thing is wearing thin onme too. It's kind of run its
course about four years ago. Butlike it works, and they're probably saying,
well, what are we gonna it'snot broke, don't fix it,
that kind of thing. But again, you're gonna run the risk of fans
potentially turning on her, And Ithink The only reason they're not is because

(57:51):
Ria's not there. If she hadbeaten Rhea at WrestleMania, I think that
there would have been some massive uproarcompared to how she won it. Now
they're only accepting it because Rhea can'tbe champion. But I agree, it's
weird too that you're you're looking atBecky as a transitional champion. I mean,
how is Becky Lynch a transitional champion? But she is because Live should
be the one to hold it whenRio returns, especially based on the I

(58:13):
think Live should have wont it outright at the Battle Royal. I mean,
if they're gonna it depends, Itdepends when right now they are planning
on giving it to Live, Like, if they're going to give it to
Live at you know, the nextpl e, well then what the hell
are we doing? Why even whydid we bother with another Becky Lynch run?
You know like they why didn't theyjust do in the Battle Royal.

(58:35):
So it's it's hard to answer thatbecause I don't know when they're planning I'm
giving it back to or giving itto Live, So it's it's it's difficult.
Yeah, I don't, I don'tthink that there's gonna be a women's
World Championship match at Backlash. Ifeel like they kind of checked that box
with the Battle Royal, So thenthe next pay per view after that would
be The King and Queen of theRing, correct, yeah, Saudi,

(59:00):
So I mean maybe they have awomen's championship match there. I would imagine
that, Oh yeah, that istrue that they you know, it's not
only that, but I mean thewomen are in, you know, like
potato sacks, and the crowd isgenerally uninterested in women's matches. I mean,
you saw what happened with the lastone, Kyrie saying returns, No

(59:21):
one cared. It's not the bestplace to do women's stuff, just based
on crowd Reactually it's a valid point. And I was thinking that you'll probably
have a two pack of matches betweenBecky and Live and like, for me,
if you really want to get Liveover as a massive heel, would
it not make the most sense forher to beat Becky a clash of the

(59:45):
castle in Scotland. I know Beckyis from Ireland, but it's still a
United Kingdom. So for me,if you're not gonna have a match at
Backlash, you're not gonna have amatch at the King and Queen of the
Ring. I believe that. Thenthere's one another pay per view between the
guess in June. Is there onebetween King of the Ring and and a

(01:00:07):
Clash of the Castle. Yeah,we always do. But I'm looking it
up because I'm not I'm not gonnascrew this up, Guys, I just
for some reason, it just Igo blank in the summer months. I'll
find it. I'll find it.I think there is one every single month

(01:00:27):
there was that it goes from backlashto the King and Queen of the Ring
to the Clash of the Castle andthen it's money in the bank. Believe
so like every month. So thenI think it would be Clash of the
Castle for me. So maybe youhave a women's match for the world title
at Queen's Crown or whatever the hellthey're calling it in Saudi. Maybe you

(01:00:52):
have a match there it ends ina no contest or whatever, and I
think live winning it in June wouldmake sense. I think that would be
a fair for Becky. I thinkit wouldn't be too much to digest.
And then that theoretically should line upwith Rea coming back right, Yes,
Okay, so now I have theschedule that makes sense to me, where

(01:01:15):
we have a couple months of awhat's respectable for Becky Lynch to hold it
that long? And it also putsmore heat on Live if she beats Becky
in Scotland at Clash at the Castlein June fifteenth, and then you have
money in the bank on July sixth, so you could have Live Morgan hold
the belt for a month and thenmaybe whoever Live is defending it at money

(01:01:37):
in the bank, Ria Ripley,you know, makes a return at money
in the bank or shortly after,and then you're off to a Live versus
versus Rea Ripley match at SummerSlam.You could also add Becky. I mean
maybe they're always thinking, oh,we could do a triple threat. Whatever
the case is, Rea Ripley isgoing to face Live Morgan, who I
think at that point will be apretty well established heal, especially if she

(01:01:59):
beats Becky in Scotland for the forthe women's Championship. I think that's a
really actually I like that plan.So to answer your question from a few
minutes ago, if they're doing that, I think you're they're accomplishing a few
goals that that are achieved by Beckybeing champion instead of having Live win it
in that Battle Royal, because you'regetting more heat on her having her Becky

(01:02:21):
lose in Scotland to Live Morgan andthere's more of a pop I think for
Ria Ripley when she comes back tryingto go after Live who injured her.
So this is all I think.Yeah, and it could perfectly line up
for Live versus Riea because then whatmy like, what did they say about
three months for Riha to return.I think it was three months or so.

(01:02:43):
I think she'll be back in tech. So let's say you have Live
win at Clash of the Castle,maybe she has a rematch with Becky around
Money in the Bank or at Moneyin the Bank, and then you're into
July she retains that championship, ormaybe she goes up against whoever else another
woman on the roster that I don'thave right in front of me, like
Zoe Stark, or maybe a triplethreat match with Zoe and Jana Basler.

(01:03:07):
And I think based on how thewomen are structured, there's a good avenue
for one of those two to reallykind of take advantage of that. But
I think what I like about thisis that then you could have Lived one
month into her reign. It doesn'tfeel flat at all, because imagine if
Live had won last week and thenyou try and stretch it all the way

(01:03:29):
to July, Like, is Livereally capable right now of going on a
long Women's championship run? Maybe thesteam would have come off a bit,
the win would have been taken oversales after month one or two go by.
So I mean, for me,I think that it would just line
up perfectly for her to be onemonth into her title run, maybe have
one successful defense at Money in theBank comes out the night after Mine in

(01:03:50):
the Bank on Minute it Raw,Rhea comes back, and you have a
nice couple week long build and evena build that it's already kind of writing
itself right based on everything that's goneon in the last twelve months, whatever
might evolve between Live and Dawn betweennow and then, and then you could
kind of really build this to amassive event at SummerSlam. And I think

(01:04:11):
in the meantime you could have Livestart to get a couple of cronies involved,
like get a bit of a group, get a bit of a group
going one or two other women topsthat are kind of following her around.
Somebody maybe helps her at at theevent in Scotland. That's how Becky loses.
Like, maybe it's the Lyra who'scoming up from NXT, you know,

(01:04:35):
maybe Zoe Stark. Maybe it isshanea Bez or somebody around Live Morgan
that wants to protect her. BecauseLive Morgan against or rather Re Ripley against
multiple women, I think is amore fun story than just Live versus Real
one on one, because Live versusReal one on one it's such a mismatch
of physical abilities, it's not evenclose. Like, you know, Live

(01:04:57):
is going to get absolutely destroyed byRia Ripley. But if they they put
some women around Live, I thinkthat stacks the deck a little bit more
against Rhea, and it's a morefun story. So I wouldn't mind Liv
having a little bit of a ministable going on as she starts to build
this heal character leading into our proposedSummerSlam match with Live versus Rea Ripley.

(01:05:17):
Well, no, I think that'sexactly it. Maybe you turn Kachan a
chance and King Carter heel, LikeI mean, I feel like I feel
like that would be something for thosetwo to do. I mean, I
feel like they're getting a bit bland. You know, they won the women's
tag titles then dropped it what likea week later or something. So I
mean, for me, I thinkthat it lines up perfectly for Live and

(01:05:43):
Rea Ripley to meet at SummerSlam.And then you also look at the impending
return of CM Punk, who they'recontinuing to keep relevant on ww television.
And for me, after maybe afew years of SummerSlam feeling like a bit
of a letdown, it feels rightnow that this SummerSlam has the potential to
be one of the biggest Summer Slamsin recent memory. Oh and a hell

(01:06:05):
of a lot better than last year. I mean again, you and I
have said this, and I stillfeel that way that SummerSlam last year was
like it was it was a stinker. It wasn't It was not a very
good show. Like I remember,the wrestling was okay, but the storylines
were you know, I mean,it's kind of exactly what you'd expect.
No big returns happened at SummerSlam.It felt kind of a land for SummerSlam

(01:06:26):
standards. So this year is slatyto be much different. I mean,
think about the people right now thatare out with injury that we have Slaty
to come back at or near SummerSlam. You have Cumpunk, you have possibly
Roman Reigns. I mean he's notinjured, but he takes his time off,
maybe brock lesnar to confront Gunther orsomething. I mean, we keep
waiting for that. We have Charlotte, who's out there. I feel like

(01:06:47):
I'm missing another big one here.I don't know, but there are a
handful of big stars that are slatedto return around the same time. So
this is going to be a lotmore fun with SummerSlam. I think.
Now, not everybody's gonna, ofcourse, return at that same event.
You got to save your pieces toyou know, spread things out a bit.
But I think the leading in likemid to light summer is gonna be

(01:07:11):
a lot more fun than it evenwas last year. Yeah, I really
do believe that this has the potentialto be a massive Summer Slam. I
mean the last time Summerslim because summerstime, I don't know where, somewhere along
the lines, SummerSlam felt no longerlike a massive pay per view, like
it's always been a massive pay perview. But in terms of like major
title changes, like when was thelast time a major title changes at Summerslim?

(01:07:34):
Oh, I guess it was duringthe pandemic era when Bray Wyatt defeated
Bron Showing for the Universal Championship andthen Roman Reigns returned as the Tribal Chief.
Wasn't it branded You'll never see it? Yes? Very smart? That
was Evince thing. Hey, Evince, you know for all the crap we
give him, that was a veryclever tag line, very clever, and

(01:07:58):
and it Remember that's when every singlepay per view had a tagline like Backlash,
the greatest wrestling match of all time, h Dream Rules, the horror
Show, You'll never see it coming? And then he won it. Remember
the pay per view was a weeklater, Like Roman Reigns won the championship

(01:08:19):
at a pay per view the weeklater. What was it? Was it
Backlash? No, it wasn't Backlash. That was the greatest wrestling match of
all time? What was that payper view? They did it like a
week later at Rome. Do youremember that? Yes? What the hell
was it? But like, Idon't know, it's just if it's felt

(01:08:40):
like some of the Summer Slam,like Aura has been taken off recently.
Well, they're trying to. It'sweird because they're also telling us at the
same time that it's the WrestleMania ofthe summer and they've turned it into stadium
shows and they're trying to make itfeel like WrestleMania. And I think that
that's not the best idea to do, because if you try to put WrestleMania

(01:09:03):
expectations on a pay per review that'snot WrestleMania, then you're gonna disappoint fans
automatically. I don't think that's agood idea to do. But I understand
that they're trying to make it abig event in the summer, and it
is. But like you said,outside of a very small handful of big
title changes, I mean, youdid have a John Cena return to confront
Roman Reigns a few years ago.That was a big moment, but it

(01:09:26):
generally, I mean, I guessmaybe last year just put a sour taste
in our mouth of just kind ofwompwomp. But it also at the same
time, is only four months removed, is it four months? Yeah?
Four months removed from WrestleMania, anda lot of title changes you want to
make stick beyond four months. Imean a four month title reign, if
you're trying to establish a new starfrom WrestleMania forward, is not the longest

(01:09:47):
title run. I mean you wantlike six to eight months usually, but
I mean it's not a hard andfast rule. But maybe that also is
the case too, that it's onlyfour months from WrestleMania when you've already decided,
Okay, we're making big changes.Here's our new champions. So maybe
that's also why. And to answerour question, it was Payback that was
the pay per view there it is? Yeah, well do you know what

(01:10:11):
the tagline was for that one?Actually? Sure? Way back twoenty twenty.
Let's actually see if there is atagline. I'm looking on Wikipedia.
I can't really find it. Payback. No, I don't even know if
it had a tagline, if justRowan reigns being there was enough, Yeah,

(01:10:35):
I'm looking to I don't. Idon't. Yeah, I don't see
what the No, I don't,I don't. And you want to see
you want to hear the match card? Yeah? The Riot Squad Ruby Ryde
and Live Morgan defeated the Iconics BobbyLashley with MVP and Shelton Benjamin defeated Paulo
Cruz to win the United States Championship. Bigie defeated Seamus Matt Riddle defeated King

(01:11:01):
Corbin. Shana Beesler and Nia Jacksdefeated Bailey and Sasha Banks to become the
Women's tag team champions. Eith Leedefeated Randy Orton because that makes sense for
some reason. Ray and Donic Monsieurdefeated Seth Rawlins and Murphy and Roman Reigns
defeated Bray Wide and braun Strowman ina triple threat match for the Universal Championship.

(01:11:29):
Wow. Okay, so a lotof these names aren't even here anymore.
Moved on to AW. I mean, just to see Ray and don
together would be really funny. Ithink just to see that tag team for
how different he is now would bereally entertaining. I actually have it.
I don't know if anyone else listeninghas. I have not ventured back voluntarily
to go look at any of thepandemic era stuff. I mean, I

(01:11:54):
just I haven't. It'd be interestingthough, now that we're so far removed
from it, maybe our PTSD fromthat time is a little bit faded and
we wouldn't feel so much trauma.But I don't know, have you gone
back voluntarily to look at any ofthe content from that eighteen month period where
no fans, you know, likeI had in Canada. Still you could

(01:12:14):
you have a channel of the WWEnetwork when you subscribe to it through your
cable provider. So I have iton my cable because I'm a weird person
that still pays for cable. Andlike sometimes they'll just play like old school
raws or old school pay per viewsor whatever. And the other day I
put on raw and it was likea raw from like just after Wrestling You

(01:12:35):
thirty seven, and like I putit on and I just immediately like backed
out of it. And it's it'sunfortunate because specifically on SmackDown, there was
some really good content there, likethe early days of Roman reigns as the
Tribal Chief, that was all inthe Thunderdome. But it's kind of crazy

(01:12:57):
to think that it didn't last likethat long, Like it was March twenty
twenty two, what July twenty twentyone, and but in the time that
it was going on, it feltlike an eternity. And I remember just
like watching some like watching the RoyalRumble in the Thunderdome, the one that
edge, one like that was sobizarre, like more so than any other

(01:13:23):
event. I just felt that wasso weird, or you know, like
the TLC Matt or the pay perview where like I think it was aj
Styles versus Drew McIntyre for the wwChampionship the same pay per view where Randy
Orton lit bray White on fire,like there was just and Randy Orton's like
one of his best runs, ifnot his best run ever was in front

(01:13:44):
of nobody the last time he wona WWE championship only to drop it like
a few weeks later to Drew McIntyreMonday Night Raw. I think he won
it inside hell in a cell.So, I mean it was very and
I believe Triple H's last match wasin it was at the Performance Center in
like a non sanctioned match versus RandyOrton. It was just very, very

(01:14:04):
bizarre. Do you remember when theydid the twenty fifth anniversary of Triple H
that led to nothing and I rememberthinking, Oh, they've got to do
something here, There's going to bea big moment, and it was just,
yeah, we love Triple H.Here's some good, some cool moments.
Yes, I was so I waslike, what why are we doing
this? And remember I remember weboth came on here. We're just like,

(01:14:27):
we're finally gonna get chane Vers TripleH. We're finally gonna get Chaanevers
Triple H. And they just culminatedin some weird exchange with Seawn Michael's triple
H and Vince mcmahton, like that'ssomething I actually watched not too long ago
and it was so awkward. Oh, I don't I honestly don't think I
could do it or when it wasactually I remember the one of the very

(01:14:48):
first raws of the pandemic era.It was the first. I think I
might have been the first raw becauseit was three sixteen when Austin was coming
back and Austin had to come backin front of no one and he had
to he's stunned, like Byron Saxtonand like somebody else, and I'm just
like, man, you missed itby a week. Yeah, like you

(01:15:08):
know, Austin had to come outin front of nobody. He must have
just been like, man, thissucks, you know, Like I don't
think I could go back and watchit. I really don't. Yeah,
it was especially like Resume thirty six. I don't think I could ever ever
do that. I'll never forget.I mean, the theme song is forever
implanted in my brain. But theWeekend, Yeah, the Weekend. What's

(01:15:30):
their famous song? It's in mybrain. I just can't whatever their biggest
song is. The Weekend is theartist, and it just it brings back
so many weird memories of like rocklesnar versus Drew in front of no one
and just silent and having the lastman standing between Edge and Orton. That
was awesome, and I feel sobad for those two not being able to

(01:15:55):
compete in front of a live crowdand like, oh man and having that.
I think I was Becky Lynz versusShanna Basler and Ande Becky retains and
we're like, what the hell?And then, you know, which is
very fortunate for w W. Ithink the fans, they would have been
very the would have turned on Beckyat that very moment, so they got
a little bit lucky there. Butjust those are the three matches off top

(01:16:16):
I had I remember, and Idon't know if I could ever if someone
just forced me to sit down andwatch it from start to finish. I
don't know if I could, becauseI'd be like, how did we want?
How did we get through this?How did we watch this? And
like there was like there were somematches like I think the Intercontinental Championship between
Sammy Zane And and Daniel Brian,or like the Triple Threat tag team match,

(01:16:42):
but only one guy from each teamwas involved in it, like John
Morrison one of the USSOS and someoneelse I forget who it was. Like,
there were just so many matches thatlike, for me personally, I
will just forever be disappointed that Drewmcintyren Brock was in front of people.
But at the same time not tosay that I'm happy that the pandemic happened,

(01:17:03):
because obviously that was a horrendous periodin all of our lives. But
the one decent thing that came outis that we didn't get to see the
big dog version of Roman Reigns versusGoldberg. Oh that's right, yes,
No, we all were spared that. Yeah, we didn't get to see
eighteen spears and people kicking out.No, because that's literally you know,

(01:17:26):
I do wonder what that would havelooked like at wrestlem A thirty six I
mean, I know we've seen Goldbergsince then and all that enrollment, but
like that would have been a justI mean, what how many moves beyond
the spear would Goldberg have done?I guarantee it would be, like I
count them on one hand. Itwould have been. It would have been
horrendous and I it would have Yeah, so we were spared that thing.

(01:17:47):
You know what's funny is that whenhe came back in twenty sixteen against Brockleisner
at Survivor Series in Toronto. Ifeel my buddies were actually live there and
he squashed Brock and what like twoand a half minutes. That was perfect.
I love that, But then likeeverything after that was just completely downhill,
like him beating Kevin Owens for theUniversal Championship and then it main eventing

(01:18:13):
WrestleMania thirty three Man Wrestling thirty three. What a travesty that WrestleMania was.
Eh, don't even talk to meabout it. It's just the one damn
WrestleMania that I attend. I spentall my I spent all my money,
but I spent a good amount ofmoney in time, and I'm like,
oh, it's gonna be awesome.I'm like, this is uh, this
is this is this kind of sucksfor WrestleMania. I remember, like I

(01:18:36):
was not happy. Yeah, itwas no Big no Big returns, there
was no Rock, there was noAustin. He had take her, but
he had a crap of a match. Like you know, it's just like
whoa. It was a bad WrestleManiajust it just was. Now, it
wasn't as bad as the end ofthirty two, but even thirty two had
some big surprises. So I mean, yeah, if I could take back

(01:18:56):
going, it was still a funtime. But uh damn, I mean
I could have done thirty four,thirty five. I mean, like,
you know, but hey, whatwas the did you hear the original plan
for that wrestling? You? Yeah? For thirty three, I'd have to
I mean what match specifically, Well, it was supposed to be Jericho versus

(01:19:19):
Owens for the Universal Championship, That'sright. I remember Jericho being really pistol
well and rightfully so, and Ithink that's what really was the catalyst for
him leaving the company, and itturned into the United States Championship. But
that led into a very weird periodof WWE, which I know We're kind

(01:19:40):
of going off track here, butI just listened to Ginger Mahal on Chris
Van Fleet's podcast, and you know, I've always said that I quit watching
SmackDown for the duration of Ginger Mahal'sChampionship run, not because of him specifically,
but just because of how little thatbuild made sense. And I remember
how bizarre SmackDown, like what kindof period they went into there, And

(01:20:01):
I remember like that, like followingthat WrestleMania you have Kevin Owens go over
to smack Down with the United StatesChampionship and it was like his face of
America, Gimmick and the United andthere was like a triple threat match to
become the number one contender for likethe United States Championship, and it was
like AJ Styles, Baron Corbin andlike Sammy Zaine, I think, And

(01:20:29):
I was just like, man,like, these are all guys that could
borderline be in the World Championship picture. Like AJ Styles was a former WWE
champion, Kevin Owens was a formerUniversal Champion, and then the number one
contenders match for Randy Orton's WWE Championshipwas like Eric Rowanjinder Mahall, Luke Harper
like Mojo Rawley, and I waslike, and I was like, what

(01:20:49):
the hell is going on here?Like they should be flopped. And I
always said that that version of GingderMahal was gonna work, But the reason
it didn't work is because they pulledthe trigger too fast on him as a
main eventor And I thought that ifyou had done that run as a US
champion and then kind of slowly graduallypushed him into the main event scene,

(01:21:12):
they could have had something really special. But a lot of people like myself
just outright rejected him right off thebat. Yeah, I mean it was.
It was a really weird time.And to think about those contenders and
think about the fact that they wereactually considered, I mean, it's laughable.
Now in the moment, even ofa lot of us were like,
what the hell? I really tobe fair, and I've been consistent on

(01:21:35):
this, I didn't hate the GinnerMahall run. The run I hated the
most was easily Kofe Kingston since twentynineteen, that was the absolute I mean,
that was just awful. But tome, I mean Genner Mahall,
it didn't make sense. I mean, he's beating Randy Orton with Coloss,
you know, and then you're like, oh, okay, well he's gotta
he's got to give it up ina month. And then he held it

(01:21:56):
and held it and held it,and it's just, you know, I'm
all for a foreign heel coming inbeing the dastardly heel running down Americans,
saying, you know, you're justbooming because I look different, I speak
different. Yeah, all that's itdoes. It's tried and true method,
and I think it worked to somedegree, but not the level that they
wanted. I really I didn't hateit. I didn't love it, but

(01:22:20):
I'm not one to sit there andgo, this is the worst thing ever.
I agree though that they might havedone it a little bit too early
and it wasn't fully thought out ofhow they were going to do this and
make it successful. Yeah, butI saw the podcast too with Chris,
and I think they did a nicejob. And I think, you know,
seeing what Jenner Mahaal thinks about itnow is quite interesting. If anybody

(01:22:40):
hasn't listened to it, I wouldrecommend you do it. Yeah. He
was always an interesting character because thenI believe he won the United States Championship
at restlate thirty four in the Fatalfour way match. They didn't do a
lot with that. And you lookat that time period, like twenty seventeen,
right up until the pandemic, likeWWE was in a really bad space.

(01:23:02):
Oh god. Yeah. I meanwhen you look at the Women's Revolution
evolution, hadn't really gotten to whereyou wanted to be yet it started,
it's you know, it's you know, things are getting better, but yeah,
it's uh, it was not inthe best of spots. I mean
you look, I mean ratings,talent depth, you didn't you were still

(01:23:23):
trying to lean a little bit onthe stars of yesteryear. Uh. Yeah,
it's uh, it was not agood time. And right now they're
on they're on a boom. Imean, wrestling goes in cycles, and
we're right now on the ascent.I don't know if we're at the peak.
I don't know if we're on ourway down or we haven't even got
to the top yet. But that'sjust the way it goes. And that
was certainly a downtime and now weare on the ups We're on an up
cycle that really I think the biggestup cycle since the re discretion era.

(01:23:47):
I've you know I've said that beforetoo, but I think we're in a
good spot way more than we wereback, you know, seven years ago.
So uh, all right, well, I know, guys, I
know we've gone way the hell offtopic talking about we've kind of turned this
in who Wrestling the Salgia Show andrecapping the last seven years. But no,
it's it is something that I don'tthink is really talked about enough of

(01:24:08):
where we were in the pandemic era, and you know, but any final
well, I'll just point it toyou. Is there anything else that you
want to discuss before we wrap itup? Honestly, just that I think
that while the draft itself was disappointing, to kind of bring this back full
circle, I do think the waythat they set up the rosters were very

(01:24:29):
well done. Yeah, I agreeultimately. I mean, I didn't like
the way that they made the picks. The picks made no sense, all
that kind of thing. The orderwas ridiculous, But at the end of
the day, when you look atthe actual they look at the actual rosters
and how they were laid out,and the end of result, the end
result made sense. The end resultI think was very balanced, and I
would agree I have no issue withthe way the rosters were and the way

(01:24:54):
that they were picked. I thinkwe can kind of put to the side
because at the end of the day, it's who's on the roster. So
all right, well, I thinkwe'll leave it there. Guys, thanks
so much for listening, and Iwill be talking to you after Backlash and
we're looking forward to the event inSaudi after that. Looking forward to it.
Man, I enjoyed the pay perview you too, nice. Thanks

(01:25:16):
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