2 YEARS AGO: WWE Week in Review - Logan Paul & Bianca Belair Return, Gunther Defends IC Title, Cody & Jey Lose Tag Titles - The WWE Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 4 (00:33):
Welcome everyone to the weekend review here on the WWE
podcast for this Sunday, October twenty second, twenty twenty three.
We're gonna talk about all the events that happened this
week and on the back side of the show clean
up the rest of the mail bag, emails and calls
that we got that we didn't get to in the
typical mailbag this past week. So those of you who
didn't hear your email or voicemail, well you're gonna get

(00:56):
to at the back end of the show. But first,
welcome to the podcast everybody. It is time to talk
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All right, So we got the first thing on my
mind here is biancabell Air returning during a Charlotte Flair

(01:17):
and Eosky Women's Championship match to be Women's Championship match.
I really enjoyed her return. I didn't expect it, and
it felt like she needed that break to refresh herself,
and she looked good. She felt fresh ish compared to
what she has in the past. The crowd reacted to

(01:39):
her very positively, and they firmly placed EO Sky in
the heel role while Charlotte Flair played the baby face
pretty well in that matchup, and we got a you know,
another Charlotte Flair title match, but one that did not
end with her winning. Although had it not been for
the interference of Baby you could argue that we would

(02:02):
be looking at a fifteen time WWE Women's champion in
Charlotte Flair, but that did not happen.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
And you know, the whole.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Eeo Sky run is, as I've said previously, it's been
very underwhelming, disappointing to say the least. And I don't
know if partly the crowd is to blame partly Creative.
I'm putting a lot of this on Creative, and I
know that's the easy thing to do, given I am
a fan, instead of placing the blame on myself. It's

(02:35):
because Creative essentially has ignored her since she won the belt,
they have done nothing with her of substance. She has
been an outside figure. It has been really about Bailey
and Charlotte with no title involved. They don't give EO
Sky a voice, and yes, there are ways to do that,
and she has felt like kind of an afterthought as
a champion, and it's been it's been frustrating for those

(02:58):
that are EO fans and hear the reaction when she
was introduced too right, you know, which was just indifference,
not sure how to react. The crowd is just kind
of not They're not down on EO. They just don't
know what to do with her. And I think as
time goes on, perhaps they have firmed her in that

(03:20):
heel role. But at the same time, people are still
waiting for Bailey to turn on her and that way
we get an neosky babyface run and that's still in
the cards. But it's just dragging out, and I don't
know why it's dragging out. I don't mind if Charlotte wins,
if it gets the title off EO, to get Bailey
versus EO. Even without the title, you can have a

(03:43):
three way with those three and again, so I'm just
a bit disappointed in how they have so far executed
the run of EO Sky, which hasn't exactly been you know,
one for the ages. But the real story is Bianca
bell Air and you know, you do wonder when Jade

(04:03):
Cargill and Bianca Butlair are going to come face to face. Now,
if Jade does go to raw which many are speculating,
and then that of course leaves them off separate brands
and for a match down the line, but it's going
to happen.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I've said this since.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
She was still a part of AEW that I'd like
to see it, and sure from just a visual standpoint,
it would be fascinating. You have Bianca Belair, who we
thought was jacked, and then you have you know, freak
of nature and Jade Cargill come in and just even
overpowered Bianca, which is going to be a site to
behold when those two lock up. And the interesting question

(04:43):
is not only if or when they will, of course
they will. Who's the heel in babyface.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
In the Donors?

Speaker 4 (04:49):
You know that that's a another story for another day.
I mean you could argue either depending on how things
are going and when it happens. But fantasy booking is,
of course, you know, a topic that all of us
could dive deep into. But let's talk about reality. Let's
talk about what happened this week and continuing with Logan Paul. Now,
Logan Paul has been absent for a while. He had

(05:10):
a boxing match, well last week six days ago was
seven days ago as I record this, and he was victorious.
He's a hell of an athlete. He just exudes confidence, ego,
everything that you'd want to heal to have he just has.
He feels like he's come into his own. He doesn't
feel so out of his element like he has in
the past. He kind of does exactly what he said

(05:33):
he was this past week. He does truly feel like
he knows who he is, and he says he's a
WWE superstar. And you know, I can't argue with him.
As much as the arguments against Logan Paul being there,
he's jumped, you know, eight different people to get where

(05:54):
he is, and that he doesn't deserve to be where
he is. Well, I mean the crowd reaction was see otherwise,
I'm not sitting here supporting Logan Paul. I'm supporting him
as a heel because he fits the role perfectly, so
that to me is enough for me to say, hey,
you know, he does damn good in matches. He has
no business being as good as he is at his

(06:16):
level with six televised matches. It's absolutely insane, but good
for him, and the US title could very well come
home with him at Crown Jewel, with Raymisterio being challenged
in Raymisterio officially accepting, I expect a very entertaining match,
one that really could end with Logan Paul winning. There's
a very high chance in fact that that could be

(06:38):
the case. And when you think about it, if La
Knight loses, and there's a very high chance of Elia
Knight losing at Crown Jewel because I think they they
pulled the trigger too soon. Unless this is just a preview,
what's to come at WrestleMania forty given there's no Rock
and it's Roman and La Knight at WrestleMania forty potentially
where you can have Ela Knight get screwed. He has

(06:59):
to scratch his way back up the whole fun story
and I'm not mocking it. It would be fun and having
him win the Rumble and then that's where he's forced
to face Llaen Knight again and La Knight climbs the
mountain at WrestleMania forty, which is a more likely scenario
than doing this now. If this is a one off
for WWE, by the way, and I know I'm not
going off, I'm trying not to do a tangent here,

(07:20):
but if they don't give La Night another chance after
this very very high likelihood of him losing at Crown Jewel,
then that's a travesty because they have something very special
with La Knight here, and you know, if this to
them as well, we'll get this out of the way
and get the van tappy and then we'll move on
to somebody else like who we really want to win,
like Cody Rhoads, then it would be to me a

(07:42):
big misstep. I think there is more general support and
unified support from all races and sexes right, both men
and women. I think love La Knight right now, most
demographics do. I don't really hear anybody not supporting La Knight.
Has that very rare unified solid solidarity behind him among

(08:08):
all demographics was very difficult to do, and I think
there's more general support for him. So if they think
Cody Rhodes is going to be a better candidate. Putting
my feelings aside, I don't think Cody Rhoads has that
unified support as much as La Knight does.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
So that's just my take.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
But all right, Well back to La and I, or
rather back to Raybisterio and Logan Paul. I thought it
was a solid segment. Again, Logan Paul is very comfortable
in the microphone, and you know he already said he
beat raymis Stereo, but he's now chasing the US title,
which he actually announced after his boxing match last week

(08:45):
after he was victorious, and boy can he fight. I'll
tell you I wouldn't want to get in and fight
with Logan Paul. I mean, the dude. Say what you
want about him, egomaniac, whatever, he is, a athletic, just juggernaut.
He has the perfect kind of fighting body, long reach,

(09:07):
high cardio, smart, quick reflex. I mean, the dude has it.
Unless I hit him from behind with a steel chair,
that's probably my only shot, and then you know, after that,
maybe use a taser. I mean, just the fact that
he is in WWE is actually an asset. And I've
said and I've never been a Logan fan on a
personal level. But I can be objective and still see

(09:30):
reality and say that this guy's got it, And I
hope at some point Logan Paul adopts the more consistent schedule,
not every week, just as we didn't see Roman reigns
this week, and I'm actually okay with that. You know,
when he returned, I said, Okay, you know, I don't
expect him to be here next week. He doesn't need
to be here everyone every week. But what I do

(09:50):
need him here to be for is every single pl
from now thro WrestleMania. So that's my expectation of Roman.
But for Logan Paul, I think Logan Paul is at
a point where he also doesn't need to be there
every single week. But I also if he's going to
take this a little bit more full time be there
pl as well. And he did say he knows who

(10:14):
he is, so maybe that and he said he was
a WW superstar, so maybe maybe that was his clue
into saying, Hey, I'm going to be here around here
a little bit more than I normally have. You know,
I know he's got a million projects going on, He's
got his bad drink for you, by the way, load
of a sugar caffeine. I mean, so the Prime Energy drink.
It's not the worst thing of the world, but I'll
tell you it's not exactly a health nuts dream when

(10:37):
you look at the Prime drink, So take a look
at that if you care about such things. But nonetheless,
the guy is a multi millionaire, one of the biggest
social media stars in the world right now, and is
on top of it, ultra athletic and also a no
just unbelievably talented in the ring for how few times

(10:59):
he's been in the so you know, I'm expecting big
things from him, and I expect him, actually early take
to take the US title. As I said, I expect
him to win the US title because raybis Stereo, as
great as he is and as much of a legend
as he is, doesn't need the title right now. The
l WO is a fun little game that they're playing

(11:19):
right now. And I'm sorry, like I like the l WO,
but I don't take them seriously as a faction that
they're ever going to be in the main event of
anything or and you know, they're just the face off
against the Bloodline in any serious context. I just I
don't see that they're They're a fun group and I'm
not making fun of them. I just don't take them
too seriously at this point.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
And you know Selena Vega with her shoe. I I
have to say, Selena, nobody's reacting to this outside of
Puerto Rico. Nobody we like, we we get it, Okay,
it's a it's a customary in your uh, in your
family or in your in your lineage. Fine, in your country,

(12:00):
that's what you do. But no one cares here. I
know you're trying to add a little wrinkle. And I
really do enjoy Zelnevega on a lot of levels. I
still believe she has a women's title run in her future.
I do believe that. But just for me as a fan,
this is my own opinion. The shoe thing is silly.
It doesn't feel like it's catching on in the United

(12:21):
States or anywhere outside of your home country. It's just
sorry it doesn't. But other than that, I mean, you
got Cruz del Toro, who's kind of the you know,
the house plan of the group, doesn't really do much.
And Santos Ascabar, who is the leader of the group
and has consistently putting on really good matchup to a
really good matchups really good match And then you have

(12:42):
Carlito who has recently joined, and I think he's outside
of them, changing his music, which I don't like, and
I guess Carlo didn't either. Yeah, he adds a nice
element to that group too. It does feel like it's
getting a little bit too big. It feels like the
group is expanding to a point where it's starting to
get watered down a bit. So I would say this

(13:03):
is the cap.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Stop.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Don't add anyone else, please stop. But Carlito being added
and being back for I would imagine a short but
consistent run is fun and it's nostalgic. And he does
look great, and he does so far look like he
can go in the ring to the level that he
used to and that's good and in some ways I
think he looks better than he did fifteen years ago.

(13:26):
So I have no issue with this group right now,
other than the fact, as I said, I don't see
them in any serious, long term main event story. They'll
be in the mid the upper mid card, and I
think that's kind of where they've been capped with the
US title picture, and that's cool pun intended, but I
just right now I don't see that that's in the

(13:48):
cards for them. I could be wrong, but they are
still building stars, and that's the point of the group.
You're building Santos Escobar into a star. Would he have
been a bigger star if they stuck around with Logatto
del Fantasma maybe? I actually they didn't give that a
chance to breathe. I really enjoyed what they had going
on there, kind of this evil mafia, like you know,

(14:10):
ethnocentric group. I would have been all about that, and
they just didn't have a chance to breathe. And they
just suddenly morphed into the LWO because they were going
to Puerto Rico for a plee and then it caught
on and then they kept it and then carleiotle joins
and but here we go.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
So it hasn't met a flop by any means. The
LWO is getting very solid reactions because of star power.
Enzelina Vega is a nice touch. So but my point
of all this, after I went on forty tangents, it's
bad habit, guys, I really apologize my point with all

(14:48):
this with talking about La night Is after his predictable
loss to l to Roman reigns at Crown Jewel. You
have a heel US champion in Logan Paul for him
to chase. That could lead into you know, Survivors series.
It could lead then into maybe a December televise show

(15:10):
as there's no pl right now, so they'll have they'll
have a pl type of televised show that'll it'll feel
big as they've done really throughout the year. And so
they could still have title match, a title US title
match with Alien Knight versus Logan Paul, and maybe La
Knight wins there, you know, like that's possible if they

(15:30):
don't have any vision or purpose for La Knight beyond
this one big flash in the pan. Let's see how
it goes. He's gonna lose, but and then they kick
him back to the upper mid card and then let
him sit there for a while.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
But speaking of.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
La Knight, he interrupted Paul Hayman, and that was first
of all, there's a massive reaction, maybe one of the
top pops of the night, if not the top of
the night. Good sign for Alien Knight as this doesn't
seem to be a fad that Ella Knight continues to
build momentum and L and I told Hayman to take
a walk as far as he was concerned, and then

(16:06):
he wanted Roman Reins out there right now, which I mean,
if you've been following Roman's career over the last even
just one year, you know you knew he wasn't there.
But then he brings Paul Hayman back into the ring,
and he told Hayman that if he stepped one foot
out of the ring, he'd knock his hair back to gray.
And he told I followed up and told Hayman that

(16:26):
he took issue with him calling it the spear last
week a warning shot because he's he's like Michael Myers,
will come back over and over again. And Knight told
Ham stop and won't stop until he takes the undisputed
WWE title from Rains, and then he would take it
from him as quick as he rose up the ranks
on SmackDown. He then told Hayman there would be a
contract signing next week and when he called Rains, he'd

(16:48):
better be one hundred percent clear about whose game it is,
and then he gave the microphone back to to Paul Hayman.
So this continues to be a blessed seeing a curse
for Night, And what I mean by that is, overall,
I thought the segment was effective. I thought it did

(17:09):
what it set out to do, and that was to
get La Knight in the main event. Don't give too
much of La Knight. Don't give And that's actually one
thing I'll give them credit for. They haven't overexposed Night
in the way that so many stars in the past
on the Rise have suffered of from the WWE machine
where they decided to w ohh something's catching on. Let's

(17:31):
give them all of it, and then some and then it,
you know, wears out.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's welcome.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
And they haven't done that with Night. They've been careful
about how often they've put them out there, and that's smart.
But where I would continue to say, areas for improvement
are needed. This isn't going to be a shock if
you guys listened to me before. La Knight's promos are good,
but they're not great, and they need to be great

(17:58):
right now. If anyone out there is trying to make
a case to management to main event and actually have
him win the belt and be the one to take
the belt off of Roman, they can't just be good anymore.
Good is uh, you know, good good is the bare minimum.
Good is the recipe for staying where you are, not descending,
not ascending, but just kind of staying where you are.

(18:20):
You need to have that standout promo, not every Now,
let me be clear, every promo he has from here
and now doesn't need to be blockbuster, doesn't need to
be in documentaries or studied or whatever and you know,
shown in promo class. But he needs to have one
of those mixed in with some just good or okay ones.
And how he does that is, you know, get away

(18:44):
from the silly quip lines about you calling people names
and punching the gray hair at it back into his
head or like those are funny.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Those can be blended into whatever you're talking about, but
they can't be the whole substance of you, of your promo.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (19:04):
You know, they're great spices to add to the promo.
They're funny. You know it shows your self aware. You
know you know what's going on, that you have some
emotional intelligence, but it doesn't like it doesn't show me
who and what you are outside of just like funny
cute lines. I need more substance. I need more real

(19:25):
talk from l A.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Knight.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
I don't need him going into like promo mode, if
does that make sense to you? Guys like he just
goes right into like he's cutting a promo instead of
and cutting cute lines that he thought of in the back,
which are good. That's the thing that they're well delivered.
But if you're going to be going from good to great,
a case that management cannot deny, you need to have

(19:48):
that substance, that it factor that grabs the fans emotions,
not just plays sing along and plays you know a
part in your promo of the yeas, but you're able
to grab the heart and soul of the fans with
your story, with who you are. You know, that's the
kind of thing he needs. And that's what's been missing,

(20:10):
I think from taking him from good to great. So
that's how I think he can improve now to the
yeah chance. Maybe they've taken the place of the what chance?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Is it possible?

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Or did I just curse the whole thing? Have the
what chance? Been replaced by yeah?

Speaker 6 (20:29):
Like?

Speaker 4 (20:29):
And I could be totally wrong because I'm so numb
to the what chance at this point, but can anybody
tell me the last time? What chance? Totally took over
everything since the Yeah movement started. Maybe the Yeah movement
is its replacement. I know that Yeah isn't something you
can just add in to anybody's promo, like the what thing,

(20:52):
because you have to say LA night first. But I
don't know ever, maybe that's in my mind. So all right,
where do we want to go next? There's a couple places.
Montes Ford beating Santos Escobar already talked about Santos, but
good match eight minutes, thirty seconds and it ended with

(21:14):
Escobar getting rolled up by forward with the tights being grabbed.
So montes Ford playing the heel role in a bit
of a bit of a different outfit, but same music.
I would change the music if they want to really
sell the whole heel thing. But a solid match down
the list from two superior athletes and the pull of

(21:37):
the tights is, you know, a nice touch to solidify
what role that's Ford is in, which I have no
problem with the street profits going. Hell, we've been talking
about this for over a year year and a half.
Many of us is like, can we just do something
with them more than that? Maybe even two years? So
we got it all right? So then we got pretty

(21:59):
deadly at a spot for a pedicure and the brawling
brutes were there and they put their faces in the
pedicure water, which is gross.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
To think about.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
But John Cena came out in other news. So John
Cena came out and he was fired up about San
Antonio and talked about, you know, basically pandering to the
crowd as he does, and I thank you Sina chant
took place, and then he thanked them and said he
got hit with pretty harsh truce today and he mentioned

(22:30):
speaking about Roman Reigns impressive streak as w W champion,
and then brought up a streak of his own, and
Sina said it had been two thousand and two days
since he won a televised singles match, and he said
it was his last win. It was in twenty eighteen,
and the crowd cheered, and Sina pushed on and said
he had to face reality that he had been talking
about retirement and said he had a face, it's been

(22:51):
a long time since he's gotten a win, and the
crowd chanted that he still had it, and he said
he still believed in himself elf that he could go
and thought he could bring it and said it would
be a bad night for the next person that walks
down to the ring, and that ended up being solo Socoa. Okay,
So johnson A teasing retirement is nothing that any of

(23:14):
us didn't expect at some point. I mean, we all
know it's gonna happen one way or another. And Johnsena
also is right now only scheduled to be through the
SmackDown next week, and then he is not scheduled to
be on WTV after that, maybe until WrestleMania Season Rumble.
Maybe he's a surprise Rumble entrying or something, so that

(23:34):
next week could be the final week that we see
seen it on TV for a little while now, at
least on SmackDown.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
So I take issue with this.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
So I tweeted this out earlier, and because I had
a bit, I have a bit of an issue with
the numbers he's putting out there, not that they're wrong,
but that they are misleading. So you can lie with numbers.
What I mean by that is mister hustle, loyalty and
respects that he had been in. He hasn't won a
singles match, a televised singles match, that's the qualifier. In

(24:07):
two thousand and two, days. Now, I'll take him at
a face value. Sure, that's probably true. And he said
his last one was in twenty eighteen. Let me ask
you something between twenty eighteen and now those two thousand
and two days that he is referencing a couple questions
that are pretty relevant to the subset of purpose of

(24:29):
these numbers. Number one, how many televised matches did you
have exactly singles matches between twenty eighteen and now in
those two thousand and two days, And by the way,
how many shows did you even come to? And even
if you did, did you compete in any of them?

Speaker 7 (24:52):
Right?

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Those are pretty important questions. I would venture to guess,
just ballparking it that in those two thousand and two days,
how many singles match he's had you could probably count
on one hand. So it's not like he's been full
time since twenty eighteen. If that was the case, so sure,
that would be a horrendous streak. But he even part time,

(25:14):
that would be a horrendous streak. But let's really look
at it. How many matches singles matches has John Cena
had in those two thousand and two days. Well, I've
got numbers for you, folks. You ready for these? Oh,
I'm ready. So this according to cagematch dot net.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Okay, you can go to other sources.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Cage match is a pretty pretty relevant and reliable source
for numbers. So this is just so you know what
I searched for for those of you that wanted to
fact check me, which is fine. I did only broadcasted
shows and only singles matches by year. All right, So
let's go back to twenty eighteen. Now, according to this,

(25:56):
he had seven matches, six wins in singles matches that
I'm gonna chalk up to saying that, well, he said
he only had one loss, but I'm gonna go with
he those came early in the year, and he's citing
stats that came after that. Okay, So let's just take
him at face. He had zero matches in twenty nineteen,

(26:19):
he had one match in twenty twenty, one match in
twenty twenty one, zero matches in twenty twenty two, and
one match in twenty twenty three. So let's just pretend
twenty eighteen doesn't exist for the simple fact that those
numbers of he actually won six singles matches in twenty

(26:41):
eighteen don't exist because they probably came early in the year.
Take that out of it. Twenty nineteen he had nothing,
twenty twenty he had won, twenty twenty one he had one.
He's really since about that time that he's referencing all
in three. Let that sink in. That's a pretty important detail.

(27:02):
And I know many of you are sitting there going, oh,
do you have to break this down? No, it's important
because this is This is to me, is like lying
with numbers. I gave you a detail that has now
shifted your view of Oh my god, you're right he
hasn't he hasn't won since twenty eighteen. Well, blah blah, blah,
my god, Well this is ridiculous. So he should consider
retirement given he's gone owen three and four years. Oh

(27:25):
my god, no, he's yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
See that.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
To me, is is the biggest question I had. And
here are the stats, guys, hard numbers. Go look at
them yourself. Uh, he's Owen three retiring off of oh
in three and maybe he has early onset Alzheimer's where
he doesn't remember how many matches he had and he
thinks he's had like, you know, two hundred and forty matches,

(27:51):
of which he's Owen two hundred and forty. Outside of
that or selective memory, he's really oho and three go
look for yourself. Of which two of those years he
didn't even have a match singles match. I know he
had a tag team, no, no, no singles. So if you're wondering,

(28:16):
by the way, as I was about broadcasted TV singles
matches in his entire career, his overall record is seventy percent.
He's had one hundred and ten losses, three hundred and
six wins, and twenty one draws. So that seventy percent wins,
twenty five percent losses, and about five percent draws or

(28:39):
broadways or no dy or you know, whatever they want
you whatever you want to label that. As He's had
four hundred and thirty seven total singles televised matches in
his career singles. So there you go, guys. That should
kind of shift your thinking about his whole narrative. I
know I spent fifteen minutes on this, but it was
well deserved because it's easily debunked by anybody, or rather

(29:03):
not debunked, but more context, very important context added. All right,
let's move So Solo Soka came out and they started brawling,
and then Jimmy Uso snuck out a snuck up and
landed a superkick, which.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Looked awful by the way.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
I mean, it's just it's like if I got in
there and hit a superkick, it happens, right, It's fine,
we know what the purpose of it was.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Fine.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Then we got Jay Uso who dressed up with a
mask and hood on and leveled Jimmy Uso with that
and they brawled, and that's when Sina avoided the Samoan
spike and hit the AA on solo. So that was fun.
I really enjoyed that. I think that, you know, even

(29:52):
though I'm not looking forward to Jimmy versus Jay, if
they want to go to it, let's go to it
and get it over with. To me, fine, I'm invested,
but barely to me because I don't really want to
see them fight number one and number two, I'm just
tired of intra family bloodline stuff. But fine, if we're
gonna get to it and get through it.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
But this was fun and also the most important part
and best part about this whole thing. John Cena looks strong,
which doesn't hasn't happened in a long time. Where he
gets the last laugh, or he's the one victorious, or
he's the one standing tall. It really is true. He
hasn't done a whole lot in this part of his career.
But the argument is nor should he. He's in the
give back portion that is optional that I really commend

(30:34):
him for doing. It's he's in the help building the
next generation of stars and getting over new talent. Hey,
I give him all the credit in the world for
doing something he doesn't have to do right now.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
So there is that.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
But the best part of all of this was not
Solo getting an AA, which was actually enjoyable, but that
security actually took j Uso out and then we had
the SmackDown general manager come in and find Jay Uso

(31:05):
ten thousand dollars. Adam Pierce shows up and he says, well,
if you're gonna find Jay, you might as well find Jimmy,
and which made no sense because why why wouldn't Why
wouldn't If Nick Aldis can find a guy that's not
on his roster, why couldn't Adam Pierce also find Jimmy Whatever,

(31:28):
But that was a great part to respect the brand
rules and maybe something that triple h now that he's
fully in control. Apparently we'll just go with that. That
he's fully in control has brought back the respect for
their own brand rules and having security chase out people
that shouldn't be there. That's great. And the one thing

(31:50):
that that got me concerned was when Adam Pierce said
these words let the games begin to Nick Aldis and
what are we read around Survivors series and what happened
last year war Games? So the play on words of
let the games begin could very well be pointing to

(32:10):
War Games and even worse, brand supremacy, the manufactured brand rivalry.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
OI oive right.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
I have zero interest in brand loyalty. Nobody in WWE.
If you're a fan, you don't have brand loyalty. I'm
sorry you don't. You don't have brand loyalty too different.
I'm talking about within the same brand. You don't have
sub brand loyalty. You just don't. It does not exist

(32:43):
in WWE. If you're a WW fan, you're not sitting
there going, I don't watch this, this inferior smackdowns. I
don't watch RAW, I only watch Smackdowner. I'm blue through
and through. I bleed read. Nobody's not find me a
fan that would not go if they had free tickets,
even to their quote opposing show. If they had the opportunity,

(33:08):
of course they would. You have you do not have
Brandon loyalty sub brand loyalty. So we're all supposed to
just play pretend that this brand supremacy means anything to
anyone outside of the general managers. That's essentially all it means.
It for it means anyone thing, too, is the GMS.

(33:30):
So I really hope that's not what this is leading to,
but I'm kind of leaning towards unfortunately. Yes, hooy, all right,
we got elid On at Alba fire. They are in
some demonic trance at this point, putting spells on everyone
in the in the woods. I don't know if they
are at this point in the in the the calendar year.
They're heading towards all hollows eve maybe there are. They're

(33:52):
casting spells with the Sanderson sisters in Salem. I don't know, Uh,
that's that could be what they're doing. And and by
the way, if you've got that reference, we're friends because
that means you grew up in the right era. By
the way, there is a correct error to grow up
in you know so which ever, by the way, everybody
thinks the generations that they grew up in are like

(34:13):
the best. Everyone usually thinks like the music they grew
up with is the best, and it's all because it's nostalgic.
For the most part, you'll find out liars, but generally
everyone thinks, oh man, the music isn't what it used
to be. I like, you know, my generation right now
is listening to nineties music in early two thousands, and
we all think it's the best. But this generation will
look back in fifteen twenty years and go, oh, remember

(34:35):
the twenty twenties that was such great music. It's way
coach all right, and spells on every tag team in
the division. So I guess it's that time of year, okay.
Cameron Grimes and Dragon Lee versus Austin Theory and Grayson Waller.
Grayson Waller and Austin Theory took out Dragonly and Cameron

(34:56):
Grimes in six minutes. They needed as victory. Waller hit
a rolling stunner and then Theory hit a town down on?

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Was it Lee?

Speaker 4 (35:07):
And you know, I'm sorry Grimes and got the victory
and that was needed and I'm sorry it was Lee
dragon Ly. Dragonly losing is a big problem for me
because he had a great match a couple of weeks ago.
He just got introduced. Give him time to get some victories.
At the same time, Theory and Waller also need victories badly,

(35:31):
So yeah, I actually see both sides the tag team
division as a whole. Tho always needs help always. Kevin
Owens was interviewed by Kathy Kelly. He spoke about his
disappointment of getting separated from Sammy and they never got
a proper rematch for the tag titles, and Kevin called
out never having a match with Raymisterio or Seamus and

(35:53):
said there were a lot of new faces for him
to punch, and that was pretty much it. So saying
he's sad but gets to work with new guys, that's
kind of it. On a side note, though, by the way,
I'm glad that WWE has seemingly maybe landed on one
singular belt for Roman. I didn't see Paul Caring two
last week, and then we're just gonna call it the

(36:14):
undisputed WWE Championship. I think that we might have landed
on that, all right. I already talked about EO and
Charlotte and the return of Bianca. So that set sums
it up. Let me quickly run through Raw and then
we'll get to the voicemails and stuff. So on Monday
Net Raw if you forgot, we got a new tag

(36:36):
team Champions. Oh yes we did, or I would do
the Paul Bearer voice, but I can't. You guys know
what I'm talking about. The oh yes, think about that,
we do. And the Judgment Day. The Judgment Day now
have the tag titles back in a shocking very short
run of Jimmy, or rather Jay and Cody, So we're

(36:59):
gonna see what Lee to that. I myself was very
surprised that they dropped him so quickly. But we also
got Bronson Reid versus Gunther, in which Bronson Reid had
a great outing for at least this point of his
career in a big match with Gunther, and Gunther retains
as he should clean so that was nice to see.

(37:21):
We had Schinsky versus Ricochet and probably the match of
the night, really good match that was about fourteen minutes
in a falls kind of anywhere. This was a lot
of fun Shenskate, you know, even out of the title
picture now was Seth continues to show what he can
do in the ring, and I loved it. In Italian
versus Piper Niven, piper Niven beating Italian in six minutes,

(37:45):
and excuse me, we got Seth rollins and another show
showdown with Drew face to face, and then we got
let's see Ludwig Kaiser and Giovanni Vinci uh because he
took on Johnny Gargano and Johnny Gargano ended up losing

(38:10):
to Ludwig Kaiser in exact wntes. We got Women's World title,
our Women's World Champion, Ria Ripley versus Shane in a
non title match in which Ria Ripley won and or
rather she fought Basler to a no contest, I'm sorry.
In five minutes. We also got let's see a lot

(38:34):
of backstage interview stuff, but the Gunther Bronson Reid, as
I said, happened already, and then the tag team title match,
so I know I'm breezing overall, a lot more happened
on Raw with backstage segments and all that Eldo shenanigans
that go with it. But I will say that we're
about to get into those emails, guys, so let's dive
into the emails that we missed from the mail bag

(38:54):
last week and then the voicemails and will wrap up
the show. So let's see who's up first. All right,
this is Jayden. This is au part two to the
image that was sent. I remember that, so Jayden says, Hey, Matt,
I sent an image last week with some stats comparing
the championship reigns between Hogan and Rains and I included text,

(39:14):
but it didn't send with the image.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
So here's what I wrote.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Okay, cool, longtime listener, but first time writer, and sorry
this may be a little long. I came across this
graphic while scrolling through Facebook, and the difference in title
defenses is just insane. Seventy nine to twenty nine, with
a little less than a year's difference in total number
of days between these two reigns, Hogan had fifty more
title defenses. Almost half of Roman's title defenses came in

(39:38):
twenty twenty one, where he had thirteen, which is just
one year in out with the now over three year reign.
And as a fan, that's not gonna gonna work for me.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
To put it in modern day perspective, creative typically tries
to push out one pla a month, and with Hogan
holding fifty more title defenses, it's over four years worth
of missed opportunities in po level matches and storyline potential
because of WWE's decision to make him a proper champion.
I'm sure Roman also holds the title or control in

(40:09):
his contract, so almost undoubtedly he's at least partially to
blame as well. It's without a doubt that this title
reign alone is going to be enough for ww to
push him to the Hall of Fame, So I think
he's going to be interesting to see how fans react
when it comes to dos comes time to do so
after facts like these continue to come out. If you
take this proper or this paper championship away from him,
apart from the Shield run, what does he really have

(40:31):
to stand from him and the rest of the pack.
Some universally hated Runs because he was skyrocketed to the
top of the card despite WWE the Union fans making
it blatantly obvious that we didn't want to cheer him.
Of course, the Mania win against Taker was worth mentioning,
but Brock being the one to break the streak and
not Taker yeah, not retiring after a loss potentially strips

(40:55):
the shock of that moment for me. Well, yeah, I
mean you strip a shield, it's tough. He strip away
the shield on this run. Yeah, I mean, there'd be
a much tougher case to sell.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
As far as.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Roman going to the Hall of Fame, it would be
absolutely the Taker victory. I will say though that match
was bad. I was there live for it in Orlando.
Even Taker has admitted it was a bad match. He
was embarrassed by it. It wasn't great, a lot of botches.
Taker was out of shape, and he admitted it. So
I'm not saying anything he didn't already say. And yeah,

(41:32):
Take he didn't want to go out like that, which
is why he returned. But I wouldn't really put that
on his resume. But this title reign with Roman, I
wouldn't call him a paper champion, but I would call
him an inflated champion because the number of days have
just been egregiously inflated because of his absences that are

(41:52):
just insane at this point, Like that's not even funny,
it's not even like it's just like it's it's frustrating
as a fan. It's going to be even more frustrating
if you're an actual talent on SmackDown. But yeah, so
as far as oh you have more here So I
heard Paul Haman say at a press conference that anyone
who complains about the length of the Bloodline's storyline is

(42:15):
just ignorant. But that couldn't be further from the truth.
Part of a good story is knowing when it ended,
and they've pushed past that. Personally, I think they should
have ended the story with either Druid Clash at the
Castle or Sammy at Chamber. So when do you think
they should have ended the story and what do you
think with the optimal choice for the belt being dropped
in the future. Also, if they inevitably give the belt
to the baby kisser Cody Rhodes after passing on the

(42:35):
opportunity to drop it to Drew and Wales and Sammy
and Montreal, I just may have have to drive to
Connecticut to kick Vince and Triple H in the nuts myself. Well, Vince,
you may not see, but yeah, ah, Triple A should
be a little bit more of a cell or a
tough guy to do that too. I wouldn't But all right,

(42:55):
I don't agree with what Paul Hamon said there. I
mean anyone, he said, anyone who complains about the length
of the Bloodline stories is ignorant. Well, I'd love to
have him elaborate on that. Just very general statement, very
very kind of like broad statement. So, Paul, are you
just gonna say, like this match or this storyline should

(43:16):
just go on indefinitely. Why, Like, I don't care how
good the story is, it naturally will come to an end,
and the length is something that is a problem, yes,
And I don't know if it's really the length of
the Bloodline storyline itself versus the length of how long

(43:37):
Roman Reigns has held the belt and how few times
he's there, which is an or that to me is
a much larger complaint then all the Bloodline still has
a story going on, not that if the storyline's engaging,
and it has it was for such a long time,
and they did consistently did good writing. Fine, But when
you caught, you know, you hold the title captive and hostage.

(44:00):
That's the part that I take issue with. Yeah, But
as far as when would I have ended it, I mean,
I don't even think twice Sammy at Chamber, I don't regret.
I still don't, all these months later, still believe that
was the right time. It wasn't just in Montreal where
he had support, Sammy z Ain had worldwide support. Short

(44:20):
it was the hottest in Montreal for obvious reasons, but
it would have been a magical place to do it,
the perfect place to do it. The storyline was just
absolutely pristine. The chemistry that Kevin Owens, or rather Sammy
and Roman had on camera was perfect.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
You know, it was just all.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
It all lined up, It all lined up in a
way that never ever happens. Well, I shouldn't say that,
extremely rarely does something like that. Volunteer lap and they said, no,
we've got a better idea.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
What exactly is that idea?

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Where is this magical idea that supersedes Sammy and Roman
reigns in Montreal after coming off one of the hottest
storylines in years? Where where's that storyline? I'm still looking
out on the horizon. I can't see anything. Yeah, but
I believe it, unfortunately will be Cody at this point.

(45:13):
All right, let's continue, and thank you so much, Jayden,
and let's get to Anthony and he says, good morning
from California, wanted to drop a line about The Rock.
I strongly believe he is not going to be at
WrestleMania forty. That's why I refer to him showing up
as an appearance and out of return. The Rock story
about not being able to find a good ending in
a beginning from him wrestling Roman.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Was a weak excuse.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
He built that up to make it seem like they
were so so close, and I don't believe that to
be true. He said in his comments. He and the
rest of the group in the discussion, we're talking about it,
and the tequila came out and blah blah blah. To me,
this is just a bunch of guys sitting around drinking
and bsing with no real intention of follow through. Shame
on the Rock for getting people's hopes up. Rellay Knight
has mon me over. I was on the fence because

(45:57):
of how much he mimicks the Attitude Era. I know,
I know, I know, if it works, it works, But
seeing Night go toe to toe with Roman on the
promo and just seeing he's absolutely taking it all in
and appreciating his assent has me saying l A Night, Yeah,
keep up the good work. So I know, thinking about
your listener in Israel, Sharon, looking forward to have your

(46:19):
convo with him and hope his family is say if
you have, thanks Anthony and Sharon. I will get back
to shortly. I'm trying to come up with a time too.
I know our time difference is seven hours, and we
will we'll work it out because the time that you
propose on Thursdays is the time that doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
So we'll talk.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
I'll email you on the on the on the side
and we'll figure out a time. But yeah, we're all
thinking about you, Sharon.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, it's It's an insane time.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
To live, isn't it. It's absolutely crazy. So all right
now the Rock. Let me just say this before we
all get into tizzy and we all say, oh my god,
now the reports are the opposite.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
The Rock's not going to be there.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Let's wait till that happens, because let me just say
that if it does happen, that the Rock is not
going to be there and he is not doing WrestleMania
forty this year. I've said this before and I will
say it again. I'm I don't want to hear about

(47:26):
it ever again. I have no interest in the Rock
in Roman after this because and really, like you said,
shame on everyone involved for if they purposefully tease this.
I mean I don't. I don't think the fans really
look at this and go, oh man, well, I hope
the Rock faces Roman reigns are WrestleMania forty. But I

(47:47):
only want to see it if the Rock does something different.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I only want to see it.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
If the Rock doesn't just end something, he starts something.
No fan nowhere anywhere is saying that it's only rock,
and I just I that will be that actually may
turn the Rock heel. I mean, like, for real, imagine
this doesn't happen, right, Imagine this doesn't happen, which just

(48:14):
seems like it's a strong chance, and then all of
a sudden the Rock shows up like a month after WrestleMania.
He might get booed and he should, like, Shame on
everybody if this doesn't happen, everyone that has a hand
in this, from Dwayne to Vince because he was involved

(48:34):
with us before he left to Triple h to everyone
that had a hand in this, Shame on all of you.
If this doesn't happen. Of course, it's really mostly on
the Rock because he's the one that gets to kind
of pick choose, and he's at the point in his
career he can just call the shots, so that would

(48:56):
be awful. So all right, I know, all right, let's
move on before I keep ranting. Alrighty, thank you Anthony,
and this is from bad Fish. He says, Hey, ww
podcast fam Badfish here, just watch SmackDown, and I think
the build of Survivor series has begun. I have a
couple of predictions, either Brand versus Brand do the interjection

(49:17):
between Adam Pierce and all this, and the way they
could go is Team Jimmy versus Team j which eventually
leads to a match between the two.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
It could yes, it could happen. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Last prediction is Sena faces the winner between Seth and
Drew the night after Raw. Right after on Raw, wins
the belt, gets the record, and then retires. What are
your thoughts on these? Thanks to the dope content until
next time, bad Fish out. Well, so your first do
a prediction about Team Jimmy versus Team Team Jimmy versus
Team Jay is much more likely than your second scenario

(49:51):
for Seena facing the winner between Seth and Drew the
night after on Raw, because who does that help like
you're building a nice program with Seth and Drew right
now to have Seena win it and go, okay, well
I got what I needed. You guys, do what you
want to now I'll vacate the title. That's who does

(50:13):
that help? That hurts both Rollins and Drew because neither
are now champion. It disrespects the championship because Seena gets
something that we're told is the top prize on Raw
and then goes, oh, well, I only wanted it for
my selfish reasons of getting to the sixteenth championship and
now peace out, guys. It doesn't look good for anybody,
So I very much doubt I understand what you mean.

(50:33):
I don't mind John Cena getting to that number. Charlotte
Flair is also on the women's side of things, very
close to I don't mind that, but I don't want
it to be a joke of a run or a
two week run or a one day run. I need
it to be substantial, just to respect the championship and
not have John Cena literally, I mean, that would be

(50:54):
just viewed as selfish. It just would, all right, So
thank you, buddy. Let me see if I have any
more emails I might not. It might be just those
few voicemails.

Speaker 7 (51:04):
Let's take a look, Hey, Matt and ww podcast the
ball as well with everyone but Matt and Uh and Anthony.

Speaker 8 (51:13):
As a matter of fact, I'm gonna call you both
out on something. You know, the gig is out you No,
I'm gonna I'm gonna break this to Uh, to the audience.

Speaker 9 (51:21):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (51:22):
The real deal is, you know what we know that
both you and Anthony are really tight friends with Cody Rhodes.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Guys go out.

Speaker 8 (51:32):
Drinking together, you play pool together. You know, the the
gig is up, my friends. I'm sorry, I'm gonna have
to break it to all of your loyal fans, but
you know, I just couldn't let it slide any longer.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
Uh Yeah, So.

Speaker 8 (51:50):
To get a little bit serious, I to find Cody
Rose insufferable. I'm obviously that was a joke. But I
have an answer or maybe suggestion to all of the
WWE podcasts family on what someone called in last week
about when Cody says, so what do you want to

(52:10):
talk about? And how the fans can get in unison
and actually give them an answer, and Matt, you said,
obviously that's great to comrade, that, But how are you
going to get fourteen thousand people to do that?

Speaker 3 (52:24):
But what through.

Speaker 8 (52:25):
Fourteen thousand people all say all at once? So what
do you want to talk about?

Speaker 6 (52:34):
What?

Speaker 8 (52:36):
How awesome would that be if the whole crowd just
what died Cody Rose? Now I agree with you, Matt
when you say the what chance are just they've run
their course way too far and I can't stand to
hear when the crowd does it, because, like you say,
they ticked things into their own hands and take over

(52:56):
the show. But this is the one exception to the rule.
What do you want to talk about? What? What would
he do? What would he say? He would be dumbfounded,
he would he would be lost? So you know that's
that's that's my answer to it. But finally, one last.

Speaker 7 (53:14):
Thought, can you and Anthony use your your connections with
Cody to so he can pull some strings and please
get Pat McAfee and DJ kuzmo on the same announcement
team on SmackDown.

Speaker 8 (53:28):
Can you imagine the the energy that the two of
them would bring on a commentary team. DJ kuzmo and
Pat McAfee on one team on SmackDown? That would be
absolutely fantastic. The ratings would sky rocket. So that's all
I got to say, Matt, Well, what have of here?

(53:49):
What do you got to say about that? What do
you want to talk about?

Speaker 2 (53:53):
All right?

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Well, hi, to listen back to your horsemoil, just to
see if you left the name, and you didn't. So
I don't know how to address you other than to say, uh,
I thought that that was secrets.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Okay, that that.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
I don't know where you heard that or who you
heard that from, but I will find out that information
about our personal relationship with Cody was supposed to remain private.
That we actually, you know, we're buddies and actually I
think I'm hanging out with him day. Well you are
you already let the cat out of the bag. You know,
we're gonna go get our hair, you know, died together,

(54:27):
and we're gonna go to teeth whitened. I might get
another tight fitting suit, you know. Uh but uh yeah,
I mean I can't hold it in any longer. Anthony
and I just we cannot get enough of Cody Rhodes.
So yeah, that's that's actually what we do on our
days off. So all weekend we've been with Cody and
listening to his stories and he actually went out a

(54:50):
really a massive revelation. I don't know if you guys
know this. He let us know, get this, that his
dad was a former wrestler, and not just any former wrestler,
his dad is none other than Dusty Rhodes. You think
I'm kidding, I'm not. So if you think I'm kidding,

(55:10):
google it. That's how fascinating his life is and how
important he is. And he also let me know that
he's here to make me happy. So that made me
feel good inside because I was worried that he was
there for selfish reasons and then he was there to
like finish this some kind of weird story. No, he's
here to make me, make me happy, and you guys,
that's what he'd let me know in our personal discussions.

(55:35):
But so, all right, that is a by the way,
that is a really perfect response to Cody's question. Now, well,
the fans do this, no, because they are times just
blinded by Cody's song, you know, and they're just blinded
by that he's such a good guy and you know

(55:56):
all this. I think that eventually when the fans turn,
and I hope they do organically, and then Cody's sitting
there like, befuddle this.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I don't get it. I was so nice to them.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
I told him I do everything for them, and they
why do they hate me? I really hope this happens
somehow organically and the fans just say what that's through it,
like a goof. That's probably what we'll do as a babyface.
Just just smile like, oh, you guys are a rowdy
bunch tonight, and then a stupid chick lit smile, and

(56:29):
that's that's how we'll get through it. But if it
consistently happens, oh man, you're making you're making me too happy.
But I agree. I'm setting out the bulletin. Guys, if
you are attending a Cody Rhodes's appearance, if you're going
to raw, this is how you must respond properly. When
he asks what we want to talk about? You say what? Exactly?

(56:54):
All right?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Perfect?

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Alrighty? So Pat mcaff NDJ cuzmo. I mean, I don't
know if the Fox executives can handle that. That would
be if you're not excited about you know, watching or
listening to them. If you're not excited, if they don't
get you excited.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
You're not a human.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
I agree, all right, here we go next boys mail.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
It's kind of for baltimoer so I wanted to tarbo
last night's Raw, and overall that was really good, a
good raw, really really hyped up the women's division. Really
focused on the women's division a lot last night, which
is great and you'll have to you know, the the
teas Becky and Rhea again, it's like that match needs
to be the wrestling made event next year on wrest

(57:37):
me Ya Saturday. It needs to be the name of
vent of WrestleMania as that match needs to happen. Hopefully
that is the main event first minion next year because it.

Speaker 6 (57:45):
Needs to be that.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
So I enjoyed. I enjoyed the competition between well the
face obviously Deckie Area that really was great. The indie
Becky Uh. Same for next week is as well. That
should be fined and decide ANXIA league that was fun too.
And also Becky Coate face the face with Jade like
how j faces face.

Speaker 6 (58:05):
With Charlotte and on Friday.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
So all of these pieces with the women's division on
Raw gets you more excited and more invested and what's
happening on Raw and then then I'll snat there right
now currently, so uh, well we get there takes on
debt about the face off between Ria and Decky and
Ria and and Jade and and do you think that
Becky and Ria is almost as should happen for WrestleMania

(58:31):
in the manifact for US Beta next year, because I
think it should be. So that's my quick thoughts. Some
Raw and in the women's division and really just devolved
with Decky really, but uh that's a different cause that.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Yeah, Kyle, you know, the women's vision on Raw did
seem to get a bit of a boost in this
coming week. You don't have Becky Lynch on Raw, even
though she's the next two women's champion and she's showcasing
it and bringing a new talent and helping elevate new talent.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
It's all great.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
It's it's it's it's great, and I'm sure she's having
a blast doing it, you know, better than than the
Trish program, which was, other than the final match, just
kind of a wampwomp, sadly not poking fun at it.
It just was not an interesting program because it lasted
too long and for a lot of reasons. But this
with your proposal with Rea Ribley versus Becky Lynch for WrestleMania,

(59:18):
bring it on. I think that, to me is a
WrestleMania worthy match. Now, you could really pair Rea Ribley
with anybody and have it be WrestleMania match. She has
so many women she hasn't faced yet, obviously, Jade Cargill.
You have Becky Lynch, you have Bianca bell Air that
she hasn't faced yet. Hell, you even have Bailey and not.

(59:42):
I mean that's a way outside chance. But my point
is you have a lot of women that you could
pair Ree Riby with, and a lot of that is
because she hasn't even She's done nothing to defend it.
Now nothing is a little strong, but she hasn't defended
it in a way that you'd expect her to. She's
been more interested in judgment day with but the boys
are doing stuff. She's had some up until recently. Up

(01:00:04):
until recently, she hasn't had really serious contenders, and she's
been dominant but barely defending it. So how can you
say someone's dominant if they're not really defending the belt?
Kind of difficult, But that said, Becky Lyncheriera Ripley, Sure
do I think they're gonna go there?

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Why not? They could.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Becky Lnchuria Ripley is a absolute pay per view quality
main event match. Yes, and I think we'll see the
cue of whenever Becky drops that NXT belt of kind
of telling us okay, she's ready to move back to
the main and roster full time, and it could be
after Rhea wraps up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
What So, thanks Kyle.

Speaker 9 (01:00:47):
Hey, this is Jamiles Miller from Oregon. I want to
talk a little bit about La Night. Yeah, but first
the little backstory. Me and my kids, we've been watching
WWE since WrestleMania this past year. You know, I graduated
from high school back.

Speaker 7 (01:01:02):
In ninety five, so I was big into.

Speaker 9 (01:01:04):
WWE and middle school so you know, late eighties, early
nineties whole Koga and Ultimate Warrior era, and then just
stopped watching when I got a little older. So about
thirty years later, now I got a sixth grader and
a fifth grader and a second grader at home, the
perfect age for this PG era of WWE, and just

(01:01:29):
happened to be on Peacock one day it happened to
be the day of WrestleMania and saw, wow, look we
get WrestleMania for free, and so turned it on with
the boys, and it was the actually the last match
of the night. We saw Cody Rhodes and Roman reign
and started watching, and we started watching every episode of

(01:01:50):
SmackDown and Raw and all the pay per views or pls. Anyway,
saw this sky La Night in a promo with The
New Day and he smashed a video game controller and
I was like, this is stupid.

Speaker 7 (01:02:04):
Who is this guy?

Speaker 9 (01:02:05):
And didn't really dig into him. But then one day
I was asking my kids, we were about two or
three months into watching WWA, who are your favorite wrestlers,
And the youngest was like, oh, I like Cody Rhoades,
like Seth, and I liked La Knight. And I was like,
Ella Knight, why do you like that guy?

Speaker 6 (01:02:24):
I don't know, I just like him.

Speaker 9 (01:02:25):
And all the other boys liked l A. Knight too,
And you know, here we go. They spotted spyted it
before me. Anyway, now we're all big La Knight fans.
We've got some Eli and Knight wrist fands on the
way buying the merch just like wdwe wants us. But
one thing I did want to say is in that
La Knight versus Solo match at SmackDown, it seems like

(01:02:49):
Ellie Knight kept putting his hands over his mouth and
trying to talk to Solo. At one point he talked
to the referee. I was wondering, Matt, if you could
kind of discuss that withere wrestlers talking. Is that kind
of not great when we can see that on camera?
You know, I know they need to communicate as they perform,
but I I don't know if you could talk about that.

(01:03:10):
Is La Night just still a little green even though
they're trying to pump them up.

Speaker 8 (01:03:15):
Anyway, Love the show.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
Thank you, Hey, Jay, I believe that's the first time
I've heard you so welcome. And I hope things are
going well over there in Oregon. And it's awesome that
you have your kids getting involved with you. I'm getting
close to that age myself with my kid, well, one
of them's five, the other ones two, So again, start
indoctrinating my five year old into the WWWE cults soon.

(01:03:37):
But the PG see that's the benefit. A lot of
people complain, oh, it's TV four with TV fourteen to
be so much better with blood and guts and sex,
and it's like, yeah, well, you know, there might be
a niche of the audience, like the male eighteen to
forty demo that carried WWE for so long, that would
love that and feels that that wouldn't help improve the product.
But then you have your alienating a lot of your
audience that grew up in that time that now have

(01:04:00):
kids that can't and won't allow their kids to watch
the product that you know, if that if it was
at that level. So w's smart in that respect now,
So that's cool. Now you guys just started watching or
you just started watching again.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
After thirty years.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
That's so crazy because you said you graduated in ninety five,
two thousand and three, so I'm not too far behind you.
You're so you're forty six, I'm thirty eight, and so
that certainly is around the same time if you you know,
you're in the mid nineties though it was kind of
transitioning into the attitude or you were a year or

(01:04:35):
two away from the attitude that are really starting with
Vince McMahon and all that, the Austin and Rock and
all that stuff. So you still you know, you still
had a decent time with you know, Polkomania I would
imagine and that kind of thing, and watching the birth
of WCW. So you guys have graduated or your kids

(01:04:58):
have gravitated towards La Knight. They have suddenly picked out
the star they knew before you knew. That's that's crazy.
Maybe you should pay attention. We should pay attention to
your kids. Start reporting on us, like who are they
seeing and that they really like? Because not too many people,
but La Knight was smashing video of game. Controllers were saying,

(01:05:18):
oh man, that guy is gonna be beat. This guy
potentially beat Roman Reigns for the belt. You know, not
too many, you know, So maybe your kids are I
don't know, maybe they have some kind of ability that
we don't know about. So keep us informed because the
rest of us didn't see that coming.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Ella Knight is no amateur. Though the dude's forty years old. Okay,
he's been in many other independent promotions. This is not
his first rodeo, so he was in TNA for a
long time. He's got a history of cutting really good promos.
And as far as him calling matches in the ring
and covering his mouth, you know that to me, I

(01:05:57):
actually didn't pick up on that, and maybe because I'm
immune to it and I've been watching since nineteen ninety
seven straight, Like, I don't know if I've missed the
televis show. That could just be me being numb to
it and you being more observing of that because you
haven't watched in so long. But that's you know, every
guy has their own way of doing that and communicating

(01:06:18):
and talking during a match. Some do it more often.
If you have a very familiar opponent, you're not going
to communicate with them on every single maneuver. It may
be just kind of like you know what's coming, so
you don't need to talk. But it's also a different
different product now because you have, unlike when you watched,
you know, in ninety five, high definition cameras that catch everything.

(01:06:41):
You have the entire ring miked up. You can hear
every little thing. So the wrestlers need to be even
more careful about when they're communicating, you know. But you
know what, I've even heard Triple H at times during
his heyday call a spot and you hear it like
duck down a leapfrog clothesline, and then the next thing
is a leap frog and clothesline, like you hear it
once in a while. It's something that's going to slip

(01:07:03):
through with the thousands of maneuvers they do over their career,
it's gonna slip. I haven't noticed that with la Night though,
calling his shots. A lot of guys will just look
like they're trash talking with their mannerisms, but they're actually
calling a spot, So you got to make it look
like you're not working with them when you're trash talking,
but what you're actually saying is like, hey, here's what

(01:07:24):
we're doing next. So there's lots of ways to cover it.
But I did not notice that with Solo. So all right,
let's get to our next voicemail.

Speaker 10 (01:07:34):
I like the franch guy here, sure, current European champion.

Speaker 11 (01:07:40):
I wanted to talk today above resting psychology and on why.

Speaker 10 (01:07:46):
I think WWE can make Cody Rose relevance for everybody,
because now Cody Rose is really appreciated, but a lot
of people in the ww universe, but realistically.

Speaker 11 (01:08:04):
For here on me included in Vince.

Speaker 8 (01:08:08):
About the coach Rose baby is tired.

Speaker 11 (01:08:11):
The reason being, in my opinion, is as Toty Rose
didn't deserve, didn't deserve the title shots, the treatment, the
face treatment, everything that's the problem because the roads gimmick,
the babysitae gimmick.

Speaker 10 (01:08:30):
It's that he didn't deserve anything, and that's the problem.

Speaker 9 (01:08:34):
He needs to get into trouble.

Speaker 10 (01:08:37):
He needs to get into losses. He needs to get
be enough, just like this raw by.

Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
Damien Priests, but even further, he needs to lose.

Speaker 8 (01:08:48):
He lost the tag titles.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
But that's not enough.

Speaker 10 (01:08:51):
He needs to put in the test. That's the absolutely
of a hero story.

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
Put in.

Speaker 10 (01:09:02):
That being in this restruggle doesn't count. It doesn't count.
It can become a multiplier in the sentiment, in the
feeling of him being a babyface. But first he needs
to get into the test, not like the boss at
the very beginning of the story. He needs to get

(01:09:25):
beaten up, just like Daniel Bryan, just like John Cena,
just like every relevant bib face.

Speaker 11 (01:09:32):
I don't know storyline wise or either by corporate company.
So being beaten up, I think you understand my points
and I think after that, Cody Roads will be one
of the most relevant babyface ever.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
That's our for me for this week. Guys, see you next.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Yeah, Alex, you bring up a good point, man. Yeah,
this is something that Cody has not experienced yet. But
the thing is, while you and I agree, and maybe
the people that listen to this show agree. You hear
the reaction every week, reaction continues to be very positive.
I've seen no sign yet of the crowd turning on Cody,

(01:10:13):
and maybe they're just still hypnotized by his entrance music
and they haven't come out of that fog yet. But
eventually they will, and they'll see this guy and go
all right, great in ring wrestler, very good on the microphone.
He's got a presence about him.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
He is a star.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
All of that's true objectively. I mean, I don't care
if you love him or hate him, like you know,
I hate his baby or his character, but I can
objectively say he's a star and acknowledges talents at the
same time. But you're right, his babyface character has a
lot of flaws that are being covered up by a
shiny suit and a good name, which is of course
the Road's name, and all of a sudden he just

(01:10:52):
comes back and we're all just supposed to We just
blindly accept that he's a massive star. That is something
I don't know why, because he's the first person to
come back from aw that had a big name. He
wasn't a star when he left. I mean, he was
a star dust, but he wasn't a star. And he

(01:11:12):
comes back and all of a sudden, we just accept
that he's in the main event of WrestleMania. We just
accept that he's number thirty in the Rumble and wins it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
What Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
And then he just he wins match after match, and
sure he lost a Brock Lesner match, Sure he.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Won the War on that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Fine, he got beat up a little bit by Brock,
but he ended up winning the War. And then he
takes Roman Reigns to WrestleMania and would have beaten him
had it not been for Solo, Like we're just supposed
to accept he's automatically a WrestleMania main eventor that he
can beat anyone. Mister squeaky clean, you're right. And when

(01:11:52):
you said get into trouble, I know what you mean
by losses. What I actually was thinking was he needs
to get into trouble by like showing an edge if
you want to change this babyface character from a just
from a lot of the males of eighteen to forty
looking at this going this guy is like he's not
a real person. He's a politician. As I've said, which
is exactly the perfect way to describe him. And he's

(01:12:16):
smiling always, squeaky clean, great smile. His hair is done
just so. He's very coordinated and methodical of his music.
He's very self aware of his music. He's just always
telling us how he's here to make us happy. I mean,
throw up a little bit, guys, please, I just you know.

(01:12:38):
So all of that, what I was thinking was at
an edge, get angry, do something a little bit off
the cuff, stop being mister morality. He's telling you, oh, well,
Jay deserves a second chance, and all of a sudden
he has the political power to bring Jade a raw
and then he's the one responsible for Kevin Owen was
going to smack down what's going on behind I don't

(01:13:02):
know the fancy to wake up, but they won't. They'll
sit in their slumber and keep saying they're woes, and
Cody will keep asking them what they want to talk about.
Thanks Alex, all right, A couple more.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Sorry, Hey man, it's justin from Maryland. What everyone's doing. Well,
I just want to get my thoughts on a couple
of topics. So first is talk about Logan Paul Ramstereo
coming up at Crown Jewel. I'm really hoping that they
don't give Ray the belt. I'm sorry, Ray, I said, right,
Logan Paul, hope they don't give Logan Paul the belt.

Speaker 6 (01:13:40):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
I don't recall hearing your thoughts on this program coming up,
but I really hope they don't have Logan Paul. When
I thought they was going to go the route with
Lastly and Ray, but I guess they're doing Lastly in Carlito.
So just hoping that Ray retains. I mean, we're gonna
get have to match and all that, but I don't
think Logan Paul is the right person to beat Ray.

(01:14:04):
He's not full time, and I mean it's Logan Paul.
I mean he's gonna give us you know, if he won,
it'll definitely bring him big heat. But I just don't
think he's the right guy next. So I was definitely
surprised at the the tag title chains on Raw. I
missed it, but when I saw, I was just like, Wow,

(01:14:25):
they lost, like they just won it. And I thought
that they were gonna somehow set up Cody, Cody and
j against Jimmy and Solo, but we got the judgment
day Champions again, so I'm guessing they're gonna do Jimmy
and j I don't even know. I mean, I don't
think Crown Jewel is the right time because Jay's on Raw,

(01:14:48):
but Jimmy was on Raw. He's gonna smack down, So
I don't know. I'm just surprised that they won. And
I'm just innoting to see like where they're gonna go
with the tag titles because it like this setting up
war games with with the judgment day in the Bloodline
against Jimmy and I'm sorry against Jay, Cody and other people,

(01:15:09):
but I'm just answered to see we're going to go
as far as you know, like who the opponents are
going to be next. So finally, so we're getting Roman
in l A.

Speaker 9 (01:15:21):
Knight.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
I thought they were going to go with Sina and
Roman one more time, but I guess l A. Knight
it's just it's time. Basically, I don't see him winning.
I think we're going to get a decent mass, probably
get a school he finish. But it's good to see
LA Knights getting you know, the spotlight right now, he's

(01:15:42):
definitely over, but I don't see him winning right now.
Heard they were getting Randy Orton coming back soon, probably
by Survivor series. So I don't think l. A. Knight
is the right guy right now to win, but it's
good that he's getting his disposal, so that'd be cool.
And then Gunter, I'm innocent to see who is gonna

(01:16:03):
find next, because I don't, like I said, it's no
one on the roster right now that that should be him.
Like I think the person who's gonna be him is
partly gonna come on from NFT because I don't think
anybody on the roster.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Is all right there justin go to hear you, man man.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
So a couple of points you mentioned, Logan Paul is
not the right guy, and I would over this earlier
in the show. He might not be from the logical
perspective of, well, he's not there that much. He hasn't
you know, he hasn't had what six matches on the
on the card or on the w television. But the
crowd reacts to him. He puts on really good matches.

(01:16:40):
I'm not a Logan Paul defender or apologist. I have
no love loss for for Logan Paul as a person.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
As a wrestler.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
The guy's got it and the crowd hates him and
he's easily unlikable, and what you could do with the heel.
Heel champions are always, as a rule of thumb, better
because it helps build babyfaces up to take the bit
the heel down. You want to see somebody rise up.
When a babyface is at the top, it's like, oh no, huh,
I hope none of these heels take it. It's harder

(01:17:08):
to build a heel as a star when you're trying
to take down a babyface instead of a baby face
coming around and trying to take down a heel as
a champion. So and the storytelling is usually better. So
while he might not be the quote unquote the right guy,
if you look at it through the lens of okay, well,
if he's there to just help build new stars too.
I mean, Logan Paul is still in the building star
phase himself. But if the idea is to for the

(01:17:31):
belt help build La Knight into a single star, then
him winning the US title in the intrim could be fun.
Him a program with Logan Paul and La Knight could
be fun because let's face it, Rimsteria doesn't need the belt.
You know, Ramsterio, right, now is not really in a
position to hold the belt for a long period of

(01:17:53):
time because it's not it's not gonna help or hurt
his career. It's just kind of there, you know, if
he continues to face against off against young talent to
help build new stars. I'm all with it, all right now,
your other point about Gunther, Who's next?

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Good question? I don't know. I mean you could.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
I would say Randy Orton, but I've I've placed Randy
Orton in like eight different scenarios. Probably not Randy Orton.
I mean again, you could have l A. Knight be
traded to Raw and challenge Gunther. You could have another
Chad Gable program with Gunther. You could have Bronson Reid
part two. You could have you know, Ricochet again. I

(01:18:36):
guess you know, there are several ways to go. But
you're right, it could be somebody and should be somebody
from the the NXT roster, maybe a Bronz breaker. How
many times have all of us fantasized or fantasy booked
rather him coming up to the main roster for several
different scenarios. So sure you know, the NXT guys are
probably more likely because I don't know who faces him

(01:18:57):
that he hasn't already faced and beaten. All right, final voicemail.

Speaker 6 (01:19:01):
Let's go, ladies and gentlemen. This is the one and
only the Gardener. Michael Gross. You're person who's on Wrestle Magic,
your co host, Captain King, whatever you want to call them,
and just on behalf of me my team. I want
to say happy anniversary to us for three years on
the mailbag. And I also want to say that Wrestle

(01:19:22):
Magic has a lot of irons in the fire. You
all obviously know about that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
For people don't know about.

Speaker 6 (01:19:26):
My absence for a long time, it's because I have
to take a lot of time to fall in love
with a woman named Jennifer and just makes me happy.
And I hope that you're happy, Matt, and I hope
you're doing well with Marsh and Thrasher, your kids, and
you know on behalf of just incredible PJ Glacko, who
also wishes us the same things. I just love everybody,

(01:19:48):
I love the show, and go la night, Thank you, goodbye, all.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Right, Michael, Well, thank you so much. Good to hear
from you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
And yeah, never bed, time to take time away and
focus on things that matter. So but yeah, the Headbangers
are doing well, keeping me exhausted as always. I'm sitting
here nearly midnight right now and I'm trying to end
the show. Not that you're keeping me up, just I
I need to hit to hey. But good to hear
from you. I hope you talk soon and that. Yeah,

(01:20:22):
I'm glad. You also reminded me about the three yearnniversary.
Somebody else did too, and I'm like, what, I had
no idea, not three anniversary of the show. I mean,
I've been doing podcasting for nearly nine years. Actually it'll
be ten years. I think this February that i've been
doing podcasting generally. Maybe what I'll do, and I said

(01:20:43):
this to the patrons earlier this year, that maybe I'll
release one of my earliest episodes when my podcast was
under another name. But I can't promise you won't get
secondhand embarrassment. There's no promises you'll listen to this and
go is he being a parody of himself? It's so embarrassing.

(01:21:05):
I don't know if I can release it because then
it's out in the world and it'll never go away.
I've kind of locked them in a vault and let
their corpses ROT is what I've done, the figurative corpses
of my old podcast ROT.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
So we'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Maybe if I have a few beers one night and
I'm feeling good, I'll release it and then the morning
I'll wake up and go, what the hell did I
just do? Yeah, that's probably what I'll do. Have some
post regret, let the alcohol make the decision for me.
That's always a good way to live.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
Well, thanks everybody, Thank you Michael. I hope you're doing well,
and thank you to everybody who called in. And I
apologize for not getting everyone's emails and voicemails out on
the mail bag, but see how it would have just
been like a two hour plus show and I just
can't do that. So thank you everybody, and I will
talk to everybody tomorrow with Anthony Debarco in our current
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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}2 YEARS AGO: WWE Week in Review - Logan Paul & Bianca Belair Return, Gunther Defends IC Title, Cody & Jey Lose Tag Titles