3 YEARS AGO: Week in Review & In-Depth Hell in a Cell Review with Uncle Chris

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Speaker 1 (01:01):
All right, everybody, Welcome to the Weekend Review slash Helen
a Cell Review Show. And while you guys heard me
last night review in a preliminary basis the Hell in
a Cell Event, we're going to dive much deeper into
the Helen of Cell event, including the match that I
didn't talk about last night, which is the women's match.
We'll get to that in just a little bit, but
before I do, I want to welcome back all the

(01:21):
way from Switzerland, Uncle Chris. How you doing buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Hey and hello to everyone. Hello to the Discord chat
members and all the members from Patreon. Hello, matts Hell welcome.
It's a nice time for me this time not so
late like last time for us, both of us. It's
pretty nice. And yeah, I've watched the went yesterday life
with the cool guys in the chat, and I think

(01:48):
we're all pretty yeah, happy one.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah. In general, I mean, we will talk more in
detail about the Hell and Cell in just a few
minutes as far as you know, match by match, but
certainly I would agree that it was a solid pay
per view. You no big surprises, no big returns that
were rumored. No, I was actually of the belief I
got duped believing Bray Wyatt was gonna re debut like
a lot of others. I mean, Bray Whyatt was actually

(02:10):
trending throughout the entire pay per view, yet he didn't
even show up. I mean, it's just kind of this
rumor that fed itself. But we'll get into that in
just a little bit and definitely dissect it. But when
we look at Ron SmackDown this week leading up to
the Hell in a Cell event, what did you think
about the final shows for Ron SmackDown before Helen a Cell.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Decent good. I think SmackDown was pretty not especially with
the main event Riddle is going on. I feel they
built Riddle as a single competitor. He's going on his
own road someday. Absolutely, he's built to a mainy vendor,
I guess. And it's good for his character. He's yeah
kind of what is the word e wolf? Absolutely, and

(02:56):
since the loss with Rehnya for the Unified tag Teams,
it feels changes and that's very nice to see. And
he's still a damn wrestling machine. I mean, I mean
after the match, you saw the users, They're like, oh
my god, how hard was that match? And Riddle was
still yeah, have we do we have a match?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, I mean this condition is goodness awesome And I
like that match smecta at most, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, yeah it was. It was a really good main event.
I think it was one of those that continued to
solidify Riddle as a main event or even without Randy Orton.
With even without Randy Orton there, I think that Riddle
is a guy that you can lean on at any
time to have a really good match, because, as you said,
his conditioning is otherworldly. His conditioning is something that you

(03:49):
don't see every day, and it's just like he It's
almost as if he never gets tired. It's amazing, and
the guy is in incredible shape. He's over with the crowd,
and even without Randy, I think he's doing just fine
with Knakamura, as they also seem to have a nice
chemistry together. And yes, we all know that in the
main event here they didn't have a good chance of
beating the Ussos for the undisputed tag team titles. But

(04:12):
did you enjoy the match itself with Riddle? He hit
the r KAO on the top rope, but Jay came
out and hit him with a splash, And then after
the match we had Riddle be attacked by Sammy and Ussos.
So did you enjoy the main event itself even though
we kind of knew they didn't have a chance of
winning the belts.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Of course, and I did it nice, especially with Semi
say and hitting the music of Roman reigns right. Yes, yes,
so it's a little bit I was distraction for him,
of course, and because he also watch in Scan Hands
to Good Roman, so yeah, he doesn't does not look weak.
It was his defense. Of course they have to. They

(04:51):
should do because Riddle should he be in a tag
tag team title picture and not for long from now.
I guess he's made for being a single guy. I'm
very confused. What when time is it? As? How long
is this built now or is this the Summer Slam
already or is it going to next year? Or what

(05:14):
do you think when he's title run, let's say tag
team run is over again?

Speaker 1 (05:19):
In general, I think that it's probably well while Randy
is out, I think there's a good chance of Roman
Reigns versus Riddle one on one before Randy comes back.
Reports are that Randy's going to be coming back before
Summer Slam, so that gives Riddle another month and a
half or so before we get into Summer Slam season
and Randy returns and they reunite as a tag team.

(05:39):
So I think that you could have Riddle versus versus
Roman Reigns at Money in the Bank one on one
that I think a very strong possibility. Uh And do
I believe that Riddle has a chance of beating Roman again?
Probably not, because reports are that after that it's going
to be Randy versus Roman at SummerSlam, and then after
that it's Drew and tyre versus Roman at Clash at

(06:02):
the Castle. So that kind of tells you that all
the way, at least through September, Roman Reigns is going
to retain that championship.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, the building is sells it a lot, but I
think still they may may make a match like Riddle
will have beaten Roman Reigns if this and this didn't happen,
So it will be a very very close victory for Riddle.
I'm sure. I feel like that they built him pretty
good in that match against Roman.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yes, and that'll be what's gonna be fun about it,
is that Riddle will They'll do the best they can
to sell you that Riddle could actually beat Roman. And
I think that there is a small I'm talking like
two percent chance that Riddle does beat Roman. I ultimately
don't think it's gonna happen, but they're gonna make you
believe it. And I think that even though we know
the outcome that Riddle's gonna lose to Roman, that's not

(06:52):
the that's not the objective of the match. I think
the objective of the match is to get Riddle further
over and cement him further as a main event star
and show that he can hang with Roman Reigns. I
think that's the goal as fans we should realize is
really what's going on here, Not that Riddle's going to
beat Roman Reigns, more just continuing to establish a Riddle

(07:14):
as a main event guy.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
He is all right, man, He's so much potential and
I see him also sends a long time, A perfect
guy for an iron Man match. I god, you need Okay,
he needed someone else who has similar could this? Why not?
Riddle is a perfect guy for a future iron Match
title match, my man, and he could beat a very

(07:41):
great one.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I don't ever know if they'll do another iron Man.
I mean, I'm talking a true sixty man iron Man, Matt,
I don't even know. Does anybody know, maybe you do
the last sixty minute iron Man match? When was it?
I don't even know. I really don't. I'm asking because
I don't know. That's how long it's been.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
So yeah, but I think Michael's and Brett Hart that's
the thing. And I don't remember as well. And if,
oh my god, I remember a turna minute Ironman Iron
Woman match? Was it Sasha against Charlotte, I'm not sure
about that. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty long time. But he's

(08:18):
the guy for that, that Cardio as we all, no
one all see. I mean he can't go sixty minutes.
Of course he can, I'm sure, Oh.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah he could. He couldn't. He probably would still be
wouldn't even be tired at the end of sixty minutes.
I mean he'd probably he'd probably would still be ready
to go. He could probably do two hours. The guy's
in a machine. But you're right, he's a perfect candidate
for a sixty minute Iron Man match. I don't know
if they'll ever do one again, just because I don't
think they believe that the fans think that there will

(08:49):
be enough of an attention span, because everybody today doesn't
have an attention span more than four and a half seconds.
So I think that, you know, while I would agree,
I don't know if WW will do that. They might
do a thing, but true sixty which I would love,
and I honestly don't know the last time it was done.
My mind is my last thought is Undertaker, or rather
Rock versus Triple H. At Judgment Day two thousand, when

(09:12):
the Undertaker returned as the American badass. I remember that one,
and I think since then there might have been a
brock Lesner or Kurt Angle one in the early mid
two thousands that for some reason is ringing a bell
with me. But it's been many years either way, and
I don't know if they'll ever do it. But getting
back to the current product here, I think that, well,
let me ask you a question. Do you think that
when Randy returns that they will that Riddle and Randy

(09:36):
will rejoins RK bro and you'll also maybe see Riddle
turn on Randy or do you think that that's gonna
wait until WrestleMania.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
I hope not. It's a heel term for Orton when
if you come back, of course, they will re you're
night for a short time, and maybe Dan maybe in
some way Orton costs Riddle the victory in some way.
It's also a possible possibility, I guess, and he calls
Randy the jealous or something like that, and could turn

(10:10):
against Randy. That will be still nice because of his
big push now and his emotions he's showing he's showing
deep emotions about Randy now, But they can also turn
and into something against him like he's such a thing
that he get rid of, needs to get rid of
to not lose again. Like, Oh, I appreciate the tag

(10:34):
team run with you, but I feel after you gone,
I was capable of beating Roman Reigns and you what
are the reason I didn't now? And that could be
a nice story as well.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I think it will be. I think what's gonna happen.
You're onto something. They'll reunite. Everyone's gonna be happy. Oh
my god, Randy and Riddle are back together. There's hugs
and maybe they kiss. I mean, who knows, right, and
so I think that that's gonna be fun. But if
it's really going to be Randy and Roman Reigns at SummerSlam,
I think you're right, it'll be an unintentional At least

(11:08):
we'll speculate an unintentional costing of Randy by Riddle for
the match. I mean, that's I think what's gonna happen,
And that'll lead from SummerSlam to WrestleMania of them slowly
breaking apart intil one of them snaps, and then you
get Riddle versus Orton at WrestleMania. Because I think you
could really build it for six months or so I

(11:28):
think that there's something you could really do there, given
how excellent they are as a team. So moving back
to SmackDown a little bit, and then we'll touch on
Raw and then get to Helena sell Is. We have
Ronda Rowsey have her next opponent be named here and
and it is Natalia, as Natalia won that six pack
challenge match. And what do you think about Ronda Rousey

(11:49):
against Natalia for the SmackDown Women's Championship?

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Come on, did you the crown? He was like death,
he was complete the match. No, no, in the moves
from shots scene, they don't they don't react to it.
It was like a quiet, oh, we're going to take
some snacks and go to drink now that the match
was very not good and it's building I thought the

(12:15):
first time they build it clearly to Raquel Gonzales because
she is got what a huge woman, damn and still
pretty and very good future champan of course it must
be a champion. In Winds's eye, this is against Natalia.
I don't know if you see the magic in Corra
Jade in NXT wasn't bad. It was good to build her,

(12:37):
and Natalia is a good person to build someone, but
you already know she can't win against Ronda. Now I
only see Raquel beating Ronda Rousi or something like that
because Natalia. I don't know why they put maybe off
the cut of the friendship in the past. They have
a good chemistry maybe also on the backstage area. Uh.

(13:00):
But the match itself was very very boring, I just guess,
and does not make like make the little look to
a woman good. They have much more potentialists the match happens.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah that no, no, no, it really Yeah, the match
wasn't very was not very exciting. I mean you have
not only the match not be super exciting. I mean,
of course, Raquel Rodriguez is the building star of that match.
She's the the next big thing so to speak, literally
quite literally in the women's division. And boy, she is,
like you said, she has got a very masculine figure,

(13:37):
yet she is still feminine. It's a it's so interesting.
She's a like a very muscular woman, but not in
a way that looks like China, like kind of weird, right,
Like she she seems more natural, uh than than China did.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
And you know, but that that is what it is.
And I think Raquel is a big star and she's
going to be a future women's champion, no doubt about it.
But right now you have Natalia step up and do
her kind of annual pop in the main event and
then go back to obscurity cycle that she does, which
is what she's done her whole career. Where do you
think she's gonna get that big run? And then she
just gets she has the big loss, and then she

(14:12):
goes back into like you know, catering and sits there
for eight months and they bring her back. And that's
kind of been Natalia's role for several years now, even
though she's quote unquote the locker room veteran. But this
should be a fun match, I think. I mean, I'm
trying to be optimistic about it. It's a new opponent
for Ronda Rowsey and I think the match quality is
going to be fine. I'm not super excited about it,

(14:34):
but I gotta say this is the most underwhelming run
for Ronda Rowsey as champion that she's had since she's
come back to since her entire WE career. Really, this
is just the fans don't seem super excited for her
as champion, and that's not just because of my own
bias that I don't like Ronda Rowsey on any level.
That I just don't think the fans are really super

(14:55):
behind her like they were the first time around until
Becky Lynch came along, of course, So I don't know.
I'm kind of like we all know the outcome of
this one too. It's Ronda Rousey just having someone to
work with, Natalia getting another main event spot for a
quick second, and then back to, you know, being in
random tag teams. So I don't know, are you. I mean,
the match is gonna be fine, but I think you

(15:16):
know the outcome as well, right, Like Ronda Rousey's gonna
win of.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Course, of course. Yeah, But if you changed her to heal,
you have also to change the music. This is a
totally baby face music and there's the only baby face
part on her, right, it is the music. There's nothing
baby face on it. Maybe the smile, but that's it.
And we don't talk about her promos. Oh that's fine, Okay,

(15:42):
they're horrible or horrible also a downer for us, maybe
some a part I want to just quickly talk about.
That was the thing about New Day and Big d Oh.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, yeah, that's I know.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I know.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
I mean, that's it's clever. I gotta say, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
But as long as we hate new they maybe yeah,
especially Cofee Kings. But as long they get they catch
the people and they do it well, I have to
appreciate as well. I accept that they're not that bad
and in some way the Hairs have something and they
always play with the big guys like True mcantile man

(16:27):
A Venders, so they keep being relevant in some way.
And that's why a breakup is pretty difficult, especially after
so many years. Let's hope they break up because it
will be an awesome few between Coffee and Xavier. It's
still my absolute uh unappreciated or not thought about. It

(16:51):
fewed awesome because they have such a history together. But
how to build that m that's what would be interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
I don't care honestly how they do it. I just
wanted to see it happen, Like I mean, I don't
care if it's one of the worst created. I don't
care if they bring Katie bickback to make them break up, right, Like,
I don't care what they do. I mean a shock master,
bring him back. I mean, whatever you need to do.
As long as they are no longer together. That's the
goal for me, and I don't think they're gonna do it.

(17:22):
I think that they're going to Their legacy will be
that they never broke up. I think that's what they want.
They have a team that, well, ninety nine percent of
teams break up. They're one of the few that actually
stuck together. It's the brotherhood, it's whatever. And the problem is,
and I keep saying this, it's not just Creative or
Kofi or Xavier. A lot of the problem here is
the fans. If the fans actually would stop cheering for

(17:42):
this crap, I think WW would listen if they started
getting booed. I don't I can't remember another act that
has gone so long, doing the same thing every week,
doing the same childish, just sophomoric act every single week,
and the crowd continuing to eat it up. I don't
understand stand it. And if the crowd started to turn,
we could finally get this group disbanded. I think that

(18:05):
that's the problem is they continue to get good ovations
from the crowd. So I as angry as I am
a creative and as much as I can't stand Kofe Kingston,
the audience is as much or most, maybe most to
blame for them staying together.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
So all right, well, let let's continue on here. I mean,
I'm gonna get on a kofee rant and I don't
I'll spin out of control. So did you have anything else?
But okay, we'll briefly touch on Raw too, But do
you have anything else on SmackDown that you wanted to
I mean, I don't want to go through every segment,
but any anything, anything big that you wanted to touch
on on SmackDown Before we move on.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Just one second. The dancing Shanky. It reminds me so
amah about the dancing Great Collie with Natalia. I remember that.
It was like that, Oh my god, it's the Great Collie.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Now that's exactly what I mean. It sounds like Great
Collie gave him a call and he's like, hey, I
got a great idea for you. Uh yeah, that's exactly what.
If you know, if anyone doesn't know what we're talking about,
just YouTube it right, like Dancing Great Collie, you'll find it.
It's exactly what that is. Yes, oh god, that's great.
All right, Well, moving on to Monday Night Raw, I mean,

(19:17):
what did you think about Monday Night Raw, the poll
A Park brawl between Cody and Seth. What did you
think about everything that happened on Raw?

Speaker 4 (19:27):
I have some notes about Raw. The first one was
the nice proma of Becky at the beginning of the show.
I liked pretty much. Also in Osca coming, but then
you see again the thing with Oscar and Kofey Kofe
is annoying. In the promos Aska you feel you hear
the crowd when she's talking. They could they don't get

(19:49):
a connection with her because she has awfully the same phrases,
but also they try to respect her because of her ringwork.
That's the only thing she has, I guess, and uh,
it's so sad that she can do great promos and
what happens Bianca has to come out as well to
make it a bit bit even. But also Bianca she

(20:12):
talked about in the in the bump about her issue.
You heard that about her imposter syndrome she has that
it's a it's an illness in her head that she
has a very lack of self confidence. Also and also
uh question everything of her what she's done and like

(20:34):
that and can it's a pretty difficult thing and not
to take it too easy, and you feel Bianca also
needs a good person to make promos against when she
makes I'm sure when she goes in a promo against Aska,
she would not look that much better as Aska. And
that's not what I want to tell that Bianca is

(20:57):
not good in promos, but with other good person as
a good competitor, she maybe could a list of track.
That's why Becky is very important in that feud. Becky
is the most self confident woman in that feud to me,
and even maybe so Yeah, maybe the best part of it.

(21:19):
Who makes it head that she's still holding Bianca that
high to my to my eyes. And Bianca also said
in a little clip about John Cena, they celebrate John
Cena a few days ago and she told him she
told the word that John Cena tells her with her

(21:39):
his showing always act like a champion also without the belt,
and that shows me maybe this title run is not
going too long now. Maybe I don't know, or even
the baby face run could come to the quick end,
because I think her character could change shortly. Yeah it's
my I guess.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, well, I I'm all for Bionca bell Air heel turn.
I think that there's something to be said there. But
you also have Becky Lynch, who's the top heel, and
you know you need that balance. So if you turn
Byanca heel, Becky's still a heel. Who's the babyface just Osca.
I mean, you need to have it balanced in some way.
So I don't think they'll do it yet, but I

(22:24):
do foresee maybe in the end, by the end of
this year, or Bianca bel Air will turn heel. As
I've said, I just it's amazing you have a heel
character like Bianca calling herself the best, the strongest, the fastest,
the toughest, Like when you go through all that, like
you're saying you're the You're the most superior human being
to ever exist. How do you how do you create
a babyface character out of that? Somehow it's been endearing,

(22:46):
like somehow that the fans haven't bowed this because Bianca
is excellent in the ring she has. She says it,
but not in a way that's been really like kind
of bragging about it or being like she has a
huge ego. She's just kind of stating as matter of fact,
and so it's just amazing. But all you have to
do is flip a switch. I mean, her character already
is heel, she's just been able to mask it with
this kind of babyface tone to it. Somehow it's been

(23:09):
it's been amazing. But you're right. The promo by Becky.
Becky is so good on the mic. She continues to
get better. Her outfits are ridiculous. They're matching what Seth
Rollins is doing. I mean, they're they're clearly mimicking each other.
Even this past week on Raw, you had Becky slicker
hairback just like Seth Rollins does. So she's starting to
look exactly like Seth Rollins. Uh. And it's it's obviously,

(23:31):
I think they're doing that on purpose. So it's it's
really funny and obviously, And if ever Seth and Becky
were to team up on RAW, I think it would
be actually a lot of fun, much better than their
first go around as babyfaces. That was really awkward and
it didn't work, and I think it hurt both both
individuals this time. If they were ever to be on
Raw together as a team, it would be much more fun.

(23:52):
I don't know how we're when they'll ever do that,
but so anyway, Yeah, this was a nice build to
the matchup. Bianca Bellair has been rangely quiet up until
this past week. She's been sitting at ringside and just
not doing commentary during the main event for the last
two weeks before that, and just you know, we haven't
heard from her, like, so what does this mean to you?
What do you have to say about this triple threat?

(24:14):
You know? And so we finally got a little bit
out of her on Monday night. But yeah, I mean,
I just since you're right, I think there is a
change coming for Bianca. She's been Babyface for a couple
of years now. She won her match at WrestleMania twice,
won the championship twice in the last two years at WrestleMania.
So yeah, I thought that this was a nice build

(24:36):
and obviously what we'll get into in a minute, the
execution of this match was brilliant.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
So yeah, just last quote is I see the light
at the end of the baby Face run as esc
Babyface run from Bianca because and she's going low because
and I saw that especially and against in the promo
en Raw. It was the first kind of promo I

(25:02):
saw lack of confidence and lack of what can I
do else? Keep that level She's not on that level
as baby Face anymore. She's losing it, and that's why
she needs that heel turn, especially as maybe at the
end of the year Survivor series, maybe woman against women,
face against heel and she turns in that moment, Maybe

(25:23):
a switch turn with Becky again.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm okay if Becky Lynch
turns back. Maybe if they do a switch, like he said,
just do a double turn. Not easy to do, but
they could do it. It's Bianca's already a heel but
kind of covered and beyond, Becky Lynch is somebody that
I think the fans still don't want to hate. The
fans still aren't booing her in a way. It's kind
of like with stone Colds Turned stone Colds, Seve Boston's

(25:47):
heel turn in two thousand and one two thousand and
two when he turned heel, when people are like, ah,
but I don't want to hate you. And Becky Lynch
is still kind of getting that she's getting boozed, but
not to the level I'm sure she'd want. And I
think also what is in helping her is not only
is she easily a likable person, she's excellent in the ring,
she's excellent on the mic and fans it's hard to
do that. But her music hasn't changed. Her music is

(26:08):
a greamely babyface and what like, if they were they
were to change that, I think that would help. It
wouldn't cure everything, but certain when you have that, that music,
it's so fun to listen to. It's a great babyface
entrance music. It's so I don't know, I think that
that would help as well. But all right, well let's
move on here to a little bit more of what
happened on RAW. Now, well we got let's see, I

(26:30):
want to pick and choose here. With a three hour show,
there's too much to talk about. But uh, we got
the contract signing for I mean that I guess that
that was the main event, which was weird. Uh the
Bobby Lashley contract signing for the handicap match against Omas.
I mean, did you have anything to say about that?
I mean Omas was put through a table, he was
speared through the table to close the show. Any any

(26:50):
thoughts on that?

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Nice spot? But nothing's nothing new, No, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
It's just your typical contract signing.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah, Why why don't have the other matches contracts
signing no official.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
That's what I said.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, I agreed with you.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Like, and they make the match, they advertise the match
before they have the contract signing. Well that doesn't make sense.
But why would you have a match if someone doesn't
sign the contract, then the match that you just advertised
it's false advertising. So like it doesn't I mean, I
know it's pro wrestling and this is just kind of
how things work. But right, like it also times they
have impromptu matches, Well, how does that work? Don't don't

(27:25):
they have to sign a contract to have the match? Like,
I mean, how does an impromptu match happ Do they
sign the contract after the match happen? Well, you can't
do that. I mean, I'm thinking way too much into this,
but it's it's just how pro wrestling is. But uh, okay,
Well what else happened on RAW that you are interested in?
Did you have notes on you want to talk about?

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Just a little quote. It was the match Alexa Blisz
versus do Drop A clear win for Alexa. What's cool?
I like her entrance, It's cool. It's uh with the
with the literally pop up of course it's maybe up
because of the uh it gets yes, a lot, I guess,
but Cory Graves did say a quote, what I make

(28:05):
me a middle a bitle thinking he said, I'm thing
something like she I liked ruthless everything doing a Lexa
Bliss more as this what she is now like a
little girl like her, she's small of course, only is
good when she's a heel and do heel moves and
is it is she now more weak because she's a

(28:27):
baby face and try to do clean moves and clean
punches and makes her weaker as a big heel a
lexablist where she clearly make moves dirty moves also help
against bigger woman like do drop or something like that.
And I think Lexibliss is an awesome baby fa man.

(28:49):
She has so much it's like she's just getting getting
in the ring and everything smiles around her, and it
is is very nice. And it's also a reason we
all say, of course she goes to the movie, to
the movie someday, of course she has all the talent.
But until that you agree with Corey Graves in that

(29:10):
quote or did you hear it?

Speaker 1 (29:11):
And I'm sure I didn't I miss that. I mean, yeah,
I mean, when you're a heel, your your style shouldn't change,
and when you turn back babyface, it's change. But I
mean that that quote, what you're saying to me, which
I didn't hear, is that Corey Graves believes that if
you're a heel, that when Alexa was heel that well
he didn't say heal, but when she was in her
darker character that you know, she was more powerful in

(29:34):
her maneuvers. Is that which you you heard?

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Mm hmmm, yeah like that, and that she's not that
powerful now, but she beats to drum.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, she beat Doodrop who was like six times her size.
I mean, so, I mean, maybe maybe she needs to
harness the power of Lily. I don't know that. I
mean that that doll. I don't know why she's still
carrying the doll around either, like no one's explaining anything
and how she became un dark like, I don't know.
I mean, I have I have issues with her character
in terms of consistency, but in the ring she's great.

(30:04):
I mean, regardless of whether she's heal her baby face,
she's always been very good in the ring, and I'm
glad that she's actually wrestling somewhat consistently now instead of
just being sitting on a swing or going in therapy
or doing you know whatever she was doing for almost
like two years. You could count on one hand the
lit the last two years, how many matches she's had
before she returned. It's it's really just a travesty.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
But yeah, now she's yeah, and she beat Doo.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Drop Romost must come back, yeah, and the promise must
come back now from her, Like yes, she's absolutely She's
a great speaker.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Engaging, she knows how to speak, she's very she's got
a nice presence about her. Everything she says. I believe
it doesn't always feel like she's rehearsing something. She's just
got something about the way she speaks. And I really
I agree. They need to stop hiding her on the mic.
Now she's done quick little interviews, but nobody has done
any character development on her. The creative hasn't come up
with anything. No one's explained why she's suddenly like this,

(30:57):
why Lily is still here, why her music has changed,
Like she's just back to you know, just good old
Lexa Bliss from when she debuted, And it's I have
a little issue with that. But again, in the ring,
it's fun. Her finish is always fun to watch twisted Bliss.
She beats dew Drop and it just shows you that
she's at least, you know, where they're positioning her is

(31:17):
close to the top. It's close to maybe you know,
being in the conversation for the women's championship at some point.
So anything else on.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Raw just a quote of Riddle tribal tree, tribal piece
of trash. Yes, I still love it.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yes, it's somehow it's catchy. It's not catchy, but it works.
It's weird, it's yeah, it's I agree. And you know, Riddle,
his quotes have been really good lately. Uh, you know
for twenty you know, or r K bro four twenty says,
we just smoked your ass. Uh you know, there's been
some really really good stuff from Riddle, who just continues

(31:54):
to be a top guy.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
Yeah, that that is thing. Yep, all right, go ahead.
The last thing is what makes me more sad as
Kobe Kingston is a poll cruise is for the twenty
four seven title. Yeah they Yeah, it is a shame.
It is such a shame. He has all the tools.

(32:18):
I don't get it. I mean, they gave him this nuts.
So it was in the beginning of his gimmick was nice,
but they they drop in like, okay, it's pretty sad.
It makes me sad, especially his hit this guy, Yeah
what happens?

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean I remember when he
turned heel and he adopted the Nigerian accent and he
got Commander Disease who was carrying around a giant, you know,
aluminum Q tip and I'm like, all right, cool, this
sounds good.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
You know, he really dove into that character, and I
think did some excellent work with Big Eie a couple
of years ago before Wrestlmingia thirty seven or thirty thirty
seven and they're in a Continental Championship match. I thought
was very good and I was excited about where they
were going with him, and then he just became irrelevant.
I mean ever since then, he's just been kind of
floating around. He'll show up every once in a while,

(33:09):
and now he's being relegated at the twenty four to
seven title. It's one of those guys that you you
be concerned about getting actually released by WWE, like if
they have their next round of releases, you'd be if
you're an Apollo Cruz fan, you should be concerned about
him being released whenever that next round is you know,
is coming. And I hate to say that, but it's
probably you know it's true. All right, Okay, yeah, well

(33:34):
are you ready for Helena cell I'm ready. Well, let's
talk about the first match. Let's I'll give you first
DIBs on it, the women's triple threat for the Raw
Women's Championship. We had Beyonce bell Air and I got
my notes here Bionc bell Air and Becky and Osca,
So take it away. Would you think.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Match of a Knight to me? Uh? They put so
much awesome, awesome work in it. The moves are smooth,
they are all in together the match because between Oscar
and Bianca bell Air, the robiefore was like a last
general thing to make a better chemistry, I guess more.

(34:19):
And they they killed it absolutely, and the drought was
behind it and they was fired up and it was
much easier for the people for the matches after that.
It was awesome that the ending was good. I always
thought that Bianca must win that because she's, as I said,
maybe her baby face run is nearly over in my eyes,

(34:41):
a really good baby face run, but not her title
run should be over now, and to make it more
special when she loses the title again and make that
he'll move even better. Oscar especially is man. She has
so much overlook. She always knew what she has to do,

(35:02):
and she's great. I mean she's a different culture. And
always admire her for how she good fits in against
every kind of woman. I mean she's also a kind
of woman like shout or sort of thing. He always
can make others look better, and she makes buncle a

(35:25):
lot better in that match. And I mean, we know
how tough Oscar can be. And the moves look legit,
the kicks look look awesome, but I still have also
problems with that hip thing from Oscar where she's hanging
in the in the ropes and make her like Edie
Moore who is in a who's catched in something and

(35:48):
can go out. And they'll also try to have all
three people together also in the ring, not just only
one outside and still a duel. Now they try a
little bit good time to be all free together and
that's also very cool to see it. It was a
betch of the not.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yet me I can't agree more. And this match was
like a it's close to a five out of five star.
Not I won't give it a five out of five.
Five out of five, I think is that's I mean,
you'd have to have a perfect match, but hey, what
the hell does migrating matter. I'd give it an A.
I mean a A. If it's an A plus five star,
I'd give it an A.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
It was.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
It was excellent. The crowd was into it, you know,
from start to finish, every woman felt like she had
an opportunity. At one point. It was a very well
balanced match. Every woman felt like she actually had an opportunity.
There were no very few botches, and you're right, the
hip attack by Oscar has like a success rate of
one out of one hundred. I mean, her hip attack
is nothing more than just a way to have her

(36:48):
sit there like a child for some reason. I mean,
how does she get caught in the ropes like that?
Like that's the one small thing about Oscar as actually
as she is in the ring for some reason for her,
every time she executes it. It's just a way to
get the heat to take advantage. But yet it's a
move like she's just sitting in the middle rope. You
you're I mean, anybody can get out of that, I
don't understand, and she sits there for like seconds at

(37:11):
a time, just like waiting for her opponent to attack her.
I'm like, you would instantly get up. I mean that
hip attack has a very low percentage of a success rate.
But anyway outside of that, you know, of course, the
manhandle slam that ended the match, but Beyonca taking advantage
is very telling to me. And I don't know if
it was intentionally meant to be this way, but that finish,

(37:33):
right there is a heel finish because normally this would
be the roles would be reversed, right like if, for example,
we had Bianca Bellair hit the kod on Osca and
then Osca is about to get pinned, but Becky shoves
Bianca out of the way and takes advantage of the
work already done. That's a heel finish. But for Beyonca

(37:55):
to do it where the man handle slams hit and
then Beyonca shoves Becky out of the ring to take advantage,
I mean that that's a heel finish, which I don't
know if it was meant to be a sign of
things to come or if it was just one of
those things of also protecting Becky Lynch because her finish
is the one that actually ended the match. Yet Becky's

(38:16):
or Bianco is the one that took advantage. So I
don't know whether we should we should read too much
into that. As you and I have talked about the
potential of Bianca turning heel, you could use this as
like a hmm, it's something to certainly note. Let me
let's just put that on, you know, on the back
burner and go, okay, well, let's see if there's any
more evidence that things are gonna turn for Bianca. But
the match itself, I mean, the crowd was heavily invested.

(38:41):
Everybody hit their spots. It was they had enough time.
There was some dramatic moments, some some times where you
were like, okay, this is the finish and Bianca I
think winning was the right move. I don't think that
Bianca should lose just yet coming off of the WrestleMania victory.
But I really have no complaints about this match none.

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Speaker 4 (39:52):
Absolutely and especially plus the finish up the match. Yeah,
this was an absolutely helish move and shows me there's
a that the twitch U turn can be possible because
the thing is backing now is like a coward. She's
always also in the commentary, she's always saying she just

(40:13):
picks up that the thing. They can destroy each other.
I do the easy way, but she was never that,
and maybe that's first sign off. I go for the
hard way again and get my victory on hard things
and do everything I can. And the easy way is
the easy is Bianca now and it can be a change,

(40:37):
but it can alsnot mean nothing. We know ww you know, yes, yes,
like the Prince split.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yes, but the other spot I forgot to mention the
double ankle lock. I've never seen that the double ankle.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yeah, yeah, and how she catched them. I know, the
kick from Bianca was also legit and I and not
that easy to to to crab and yeah it was.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yeah. If they told us where they were going to
have a rematch for the I mean I would be on.
I mean, give me to me. I mean, like I
would love to see these women again, all three of them.
If they were going to tell me, unraw, we're having
a a hell in a Cell rematch for the Women's Championship,
I'd be like, okay, Like, I mean sounds good main
event right there, and you know, no problem here, but uh.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
You know, was it worthy for you as a hell
in the Sale itself? Uh? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
I mean you mean if this was the one match
on the card that would sell the pay per view
for me, yeah, yeah, like.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
The second hell in the Sale, the first one and
then the last one of course, yeah the woman's mentioned
hell in the Sale.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah yeah, if those were the only two matches. Now again,
I think a lot of people are just subscribed for
that nine to ninety nine a month, and you know,
w W doesn't have to worry about necessarily selling these
events as much as they used to because I don't.
I don't even know if you can still buy the
events on your you know, through cable. I don't know anymore,
I don't think, but if anybody's doing it, it's certainly
not a revenue stream that's significant for WWE. So they

(42:03):
don't have to worry so much about that because they
have so much other content that I think that other
content sells the subscription to Peacock or the ww network
than just the events. It's not as important as it
used to be.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
So Mike Foss was just two baby faces in the
hell in a cell triple threatmatch. Maybe could not that
easy to work with, I'm sure, yeah, yeah, but it's
just a little fun.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
No, no, no, it's a good one. So all right,
let's move on to Bobby Lashley versus omas An MVP
in a handicap match again, Chris, what did you think
about this?

Speaker 4 (42:40):
The right winner, the right ending, especially with depending on
MVP who is Yeah, as you said mentioned in your
little review, he's yeah, he's getting old, of course, but
he still has something in him and he wants to
give it out and I appreciate it a lot. And
his rep was awesome in the in the in the

(43:02):
promo in the in the promo before the match, awesome.
I mean, the work of these guys making promo videos
for the matches from another planet, It's right, and they
make m P very legit, very cool, and he's killing
it in his rep the match itself. Of course, AMA's
looking not bad. He looked again, pretty decent and good.

(43:26):
He makes a constant match And but I'm confused against
who should he should go now that that's not that easy,
I guess. I mean, I have no nothing in mind,
so I'm very curious who will be. And Bobby Lashley
with that, with the title in his hands, uh, with
for the for the fan. Pretty nice to see that,

(43:50):
but also not that guy. I mean, will Roman lose
both titles at once or will he lose only one? That?

Speaker 1 (43:59):
And I've been speculating on that. There's argument to be
made for both because he's holding two championship belts, but
it was apparently quote unquote unified at WrestleMania, So but
does that mean it's considered one championship even though there's
two belts, or does he have to defend them separately.
We just don't know. We really don't know. And I

(44:20):
mean Bobby Lashley at the end of that match, of course,
standing on the second rope. And I mentioned this on
my review and on Twitter if anybody didn't see it,
the referees yelling up to Bobby Lashley, well he's standing
on the rope. Now. We didn't hear what he said,
but presumably it was, hey, Bobby, grab the belt for
the fans, something along those lines, because Bobby was obviously
forgetting to do that. And I mean Bobby l Ashley again,

(44:43):
as I mentioned, he is a twenty year veteran, but
sometimes he just is just forgets the little things. He
gets caught up in the moment. It seems like that anyway.
But anyway, he grabbed the belt from the fan that
was clearly a plant in the crowd, and he paraded
it around holding it up, which was something that obviously
had happen storyline wise, and the announcers also mentioned that

(45:03):
he was sending a message to the to the rest whatever, right,
he's holding up the belt sending a message or a
statement or whatever other I mean, I mean, can I
really would like to eradicate those words from their vocabulary.
Just get at the source and use a different word.
I don't know why everything has to be sending messages
and making statements like that's implied, like I mean, I'd

(45:24):
love to say, oh, can we you know, okay, what
exactly what message are they sending? Can we ask you specifically?
Or is that just a statement that we're not supposed
to ask about. I don't understand it. Why they for
whatever reason, it's like a corporate buzzword. They've got a
sheet in front of them and they have to they
have to mention it twenty six times on every show.
I don't understand. It's a completely overused word like that

(45:45):
mind games statement message like can we stop? I mean anyway,
But Bobby Lashley was clearly trying to tell everybody, Hey, yeah,
I'm now in the WWE Universal Championship title picture. I mean,
that was eventually. That was essentially what they were saying
to us is Bobby's next step is that he's going

(46:06):
to be in the conversation for a run at that championship. Now.
I just don't know. I don't know if this is
gonna be defended separately or together. We don't know yet,
I really I don't.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
He's or he's gonna be big B big B yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Big no don't point that, don't give anybody any ideas.
Oh geez, yeah it could be. I mean he could
I mean Bobby Lashley though versus Roman Reigns it's intriguing,
but lastly versus Rains, it's something that I would like
to see, you know. I think that there's actually a
lot of people gunning for Roman Rains' championship right now.

(46:44):
You have you have Bobby Lashley, who showed you last night.
He's in the conversation. Now you have Drew Mcatyre, you
have Riddle, you have Orton hanging out there. You eventually
have seth Rollins. I mean there's unfinished business there that
people forgot about from Survivors series when he got beat
down with the chair, that we're all supposed to forget.
You know, there's a lot of people that actually he

(47:04):
could work with in the introm and of course the
mythical Rock versus Roman Reigns match that I should happen
this WrestleMania. If it doesn't happen at this year's WrestleMania,
it's never happening in my mind. So yeah, so I
think that that's what the point of that was. And
and this matchup though with Omas and an MVP.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
It was.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
It was fine. It was as good as I think
it could have been. And MVP in the ring was slow.
It's not really a criticism, he's just he doesn't have
a whole lot of end ring time and he's older
like so that's just what happens. So it was fine
and seeing MVP get put in the hurt lock and
tap out was the payoff. So all right, let's move

(47:44):
on to the next matchup here. I want your opinion
on what was it here? The next match in order
was the let's see here, oh Ezekiel versus Kevin Owens,
and we had Kevin Owens win. What did you think
of their mouth?

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Pretty interesting that Isekiel looked pretty weak against Kevin. It
has some moves, yeah, but at the end it was
a pretty good victory by Kevin Owens. And I felt
at the end of the match that, yeah, I'm scared
he will disappear in the up the down card again

(48:22):
and they don't have confidence in that and maybe not
more much ideas how they evolved that character of Ezekiel
that he loses now maybe if heat is not over, okay,
but it's a pretty great win by Kevin Owens pretty nice,
especially with the yelling at Isekiel's face and then giving

(48:46):
a starter and then once you're free like it's nothing. Yes,
pretty telling in my eyes. It was in the Right Winner.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Yes, no, it was the right Winner. I can't say
it wasn't. And Ezekiel, who he's got the fans behind
him kind of in a strange way where we all
know he is really Alias, but we're kind of playing
along in a charming way and just trying to you know,
anger Kevin Owens, who is making this as entertaining as
this story line could be. As I've said, you go
from stone cold Steve Austin bringing him out of retirement

(49:18):
nearly twenty years ago to Ezekiel. I mean, it doesn't
get more of a fall than that. But Kevin Owens
still bringing everything he can to this story making it funny.
That I mentioned in my quick review last night, the
hilarious part was him, you know, pulling at the face
of Ezekiel and saying smile Elias, and he's pulling him.
Just some of the things, little things he does, are

(49:38):
really funny. And Kevin Owens, he's a difficult guy to
hate because he's so entertaining and he's got the stunner,
which is you know, obviously we know how over that
move is. So the match I think was I actually
thought the match itself was better than it would have
been if you know, you were to ask me beforehand,
what do you think this is going to be. I
thought it'd be like a two out of I'd give

(50:00):
this like a three out of five.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
It was okay.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I think it was satisfactory to good, and it was
I think exactly what it needed to be. Kevin Owens
gets the victory and hopefully we can move the hell
on from this program and Kevin Owens gets into more
of a relevant program, which I think is going to
be the Money in the Bank Ladder match. I think
Kevin Owens is probably going to be one of those
six or I think it's six men that are involved

(50:23):
in that matchup. So to me, that's what's gonna be.
Maybe Bobby Lashley also goes into that money in the
Bank Ladder match as well. Maybe that's what the statement
was that he was making is I'm going to be,
you know, the money in the Bank winner, and I'm
going to get an opportunity at the Championships. So probably
Bobby and Kevin Owens go right into the whole money
in the bank ladder match story that's going to start
tonight on Monday Night Raw.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
They have to of these two are safe picks in
my eyes, absolutely cool.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Well, let's continue on here in match number four, the
Judgment Day versus aj Styles, Finn Balor and Live Morgan.
Once again, Chris, what did you think of that? As
the Judgment Day one clean.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Very important? Also building them as a dominant group, to
take them serious also in tact matches, not only as
a single comparison for now. Sure, one day it will
be broke up, sir, but we are not in that
stayed now maybe in one two years. I think this
group has potential to stay over two years. Of course,

(51:29):
in my eyes he has a lot of potential, but
with the same members. No, the members will change and
they will build great baby faces, but not now as well.
Liv Morgan has the match of her career. I see
the smile of her standing in a ring with Edge

(51:50):
with a j with Finn Badder. It was like a
for her, I guess, a very very important match for
her feelings after losing so much friends in the past
and all that like Ruby Soho or Sarah Logan and
all that group, and you felt, I don't know, it

(52:14):
may be just a little bit, but I felt like
a new born self confidence of Lift Morgan. She has
a great appearance that match. She was I must say,
it's just my opinion, the man of the match, the
best worker in the match, especially with the with the
talent what she has. Maybe a cashal wrestling event would

(52:37):
not agree with me, I guess, but to me really
from what she's underappreciated, but in that match, she's a
shining star in my eyes, and uh really approve and
the winners, but the winners were absolutely right of course.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Well, I think Live Morgan had the most to prove
in that match. I mean she is the I guess,
for lack of a better term, the lowest star there.
I mean she she in her mind and rightfully so,
looking at this as probably the biggest match of her career. Now.
I know she's had championship matches against Becky Lynch that
didn't go her foot hair way, but in terms of
star power in that match, I mean she this might

(53:14):
have been her biggest match yet and she did over overachieve.
I think that she did make her make a case
for herself to be in the women's championship picture. Do
I think it's gonna happen right away, No, She'll probably
still be kind of in that mid range and fighting
with fighting with the Judgment Day. But I was surprised
that there was no new member. I made the prediction

(53:34):
that it was gonna be Finn Baler turning on his
own team to join the Judgment Day and that didn't happen,
And I'm cool with that. I mean, I don't think
Finn Baler necessarily needs to be in that group because
he's already a star that's made, and you know he's
I think he's already established himself as a big star.
But the case for him joining that group, if it
was gonna happen, is he has a demon character that

(53:56):
would fit in perfectly with the Judgment Day and he's
a guy that has been losing constantly, and I think
him being in that group would turn things around for
him and seeing a heel Finn Balor would be a
lot of fun too. So do I think it's gonna
happen in fifty to fifty? I mean, I really don't know,
and I don't know when that next member is going
to join. It could happen tonight unraw, I mean, who knows.

(54:16):
But the match itself I think was very good, especially
for Live Morgan. You know. Also the new attire from
Ria Ripley was nice. She just she changed up how
she looked and I think that was important for her
character development joining this group. That it's not just you know,
your your your promos that change, or your entrance that
changes that your attire like she's going through a transformation.

(54:39):
That was important. Edge getting the clean victory on Finn
was important. You started off by saying it was an
important victory, and it was. There was no there was
no you know, kind of wonky ending, there was no
foreign objects, there was no raking of the eyes, there
was no low blows. It was just them winning and
that's fine. Heels don't always have to cheat to win.

(54:59):
And it was one of those victories that continued to
solidify the judgment day.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
But you heard something of the what was it called
laceration of h styles. That's why he disappeared after a
move I think it was against Damian priests and he
was seeing a lot of blood and what he disappeared
and he just saw and after that manch ended lived
more in two seconds to look into her. Right, I'm

(55:27):
very concerned about many of the amount of blood Ah
has lost. But you don't see the pictures. You just
saw at the end m Bella laying there and maybe
that's why. Also is the reason because they scrapped that
new member in the last second. So because vim bell
as the only guy against four or of the AMA

(55:48):
or something like that will be too much. I'm not
sure it could be.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
I mean, I really I don't know. I haven't you know,
I haven't dove into the rumors or whatever, you know,
whatever the news of the day is on that. I
just know that Ede has been teasing. If you look
at his Twitter account, he's been putting out pictures of
like Page and AJ and Finn just knowing that he's
screwing with the fans and and just getting he should
and good for him because the fans are He's listening

(56:13):
to what the fans are saying. On this, he addressed
the criticism of the lighting being too close to the
undertaker and saying that he changed too quickly. He's addressing
all the criticisms that the fans are talking about online
and I love that and screwing with us by putting
out pictures on Twitter. The man is a master of
I hate to say, but mind games with the fans.
I mean he he is. And you know, I think

(56:35):
that Edge right now is doing some awesome work. He's
clearly dedicated here. He's cut his hair to change how
he appears. And they also had new ring gear too.
Edge's new ring gear kind of that dark coat and
it was a little bit undertaker esque, but I have
no problem with it.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
So his eyes in the blue, it's perfect.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
It's amazing. His eyes in general are good, but when
you add that lighting, yeah, it's so good. I love
Edging this in this role right now. It's so fun
to watch. Okay, well, let's continue on here and let's
see what is the next.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
About the group? What do you think about that it
maybe take two years or longer does this group and
make new baby faces from the group. Maybe the new
baby's vasis when they put a member out of the
group and go against it and build new baby faces
against us. Is it possible? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
I think that that that's a way that while they're
all heel collectively right now, the one that maybe gets
beat so say, for example, we had Damian Priest get
beat down by Edge and say that you're you're the
weak link of this group, and you know all the
other members beat him down. Well, now you're gonna want
to automatically want to see Damian Priest get back up

(57:50):
and fight back against Edge. I mean, that is that's
a that could happen. I mean, I think we're a
long way from this group disintegrating. I mean it's just
getting going. I think that that's probably six to twelve
months away. But it's yes, you could absolutely have that happen.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
And yeah, that's why you need also two more members,
I guess because of that, because if he loses one man,
then who is the other man who helps him? All
is just one? No, he had needs more of them,
maybe two or yeah, two more.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
I wouldn't go maybe one more, yeah exactly, maybe one
more man, one more woman. I wouldn't go beyond two more.
If they start adding too many people, it waters it down.
So they got to be very selective and not just
make it like the nWo where everyone isn't just like
everyone is part of the nWo, which I was one
of the best storylines of all time. But they just
had too many people join, So I just think that yeah,

(58:41):
I mean one two more would be the most, and
then cap it there and then from there, of course
you can decide to to, you know, at some point
create somebody, create a babyface out of it, somebody turn
on somebody, you know. But yes, this is a storyline
that I'm really enjoying with Edge, I think that he
has adapted very nicely to this dark character.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
So all right, yeah, I mean at the end it
will be Edge himself. It could be. I think it
will be baby.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Before Edge really calls it a career, before he truly
decides he's done, he will turn back babyface. Yes, yep,
no doubt. All right, cool, well, Cat Corbyn and mad
Cap Moss no holds barred. What did you think of
this with mad Cat Moss getting the victory?

Speaker 4 (59:23):
A mad cap kind of does don't connect with me.
Maybe he has two or three letters? Uh what uh?
He needs to build something more, I guess. But Corburn
is a great player to go with. He puts Corbin
out now normally also for a few weeks. Maybe it

(59:44):
goes also the reserve vacation. Maybe Corbin has a decent
good hero. I can't imagine him as a babyface now
anymore because he's too arrogant about that mad cap Moss
I guess will not come over to mid car, but
he has the tools to get some more. But we
have a lot of dead guy's kind of guys in

(01:00:05):
the past. I just speak about about of Cruise and
they smashed around someday. But the match itself was was
it was for no hold sport and mid card no
hold sport to mention, And what also interesting is this
Adam Pierce was involved in that, not much but decent

(01:00:26):
and it's cool also not that he's not just in
that main event roles and minivent feuds, so also in
that kind of mid cards. That was nice to see
us as well, to make it more business a little
bit more important. A metcap did it. It was the
right victory, of course, it was the right one. Uh,

(01:00:47):
the way he does it, Yeah, it was not pretty
baby face like maybe yet Okay, you want to get revenge,
but in that way, I don't know he was maybe
can you don't know which direction he's going now that's
the thing for me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Maybe, Yeah, I don't know what they're do. I mean,
they clearly heard the criticism of Mad Cat Moss's attire,
wearing the suspenders and just telling jokes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I understood some of it. I actually didn't hate the
suspenders and things as much as other people't. I didn't
love it, but I wasn't loathing it. But I understand
why they got rid of it to transition him to
a more serious character. And that's fine. But they also again,
if anybody heard my review shal last night, they turned
it into wrestler X like his attire is extremely generic
right now, which the attire isn't everything, but I want

(01:01:38):
to know who and what Mad Cat Moss is right
now and right now. He showed a violent side of himself.
He can clearly work very well in the ring. I
hope this is the last time that Corbin and Moss
have a match. I'm ready for that to be over
with and him move on. Maybe he'll be in a
money bank qualifier match or something for the latter match.

(01:01:58):
Who knows, but Corbin and I'm ready for that program
to be over with. And you know, I think Corbyn
a lot of times gets more criticism than he deserves
because Corbyn is a guy that never has bad matches,
right like Corbyn very rarely has when you look at
it and you're like, wow, that was that was terrible, right.
I mean his character has evolved from the lone wolf

(01:02:19):
to he was at one point like an authority figure
on raw and then he transitioned to just Baron Corbyn
and then he was you know, poor Corbyn to happy Corbyn.
He's gone through an evolution and I think that throughout
that evolution he hasn't had really just some terrible matches.
He you know, people look at him and they yawn,

(01:02:39):
But I think that he's underrated as a heel and
I think that he's consistently has solid matches and you know,
I think that Corbyn at some point could be a champion,
whether it's intercontinental or higher. That is a good heel. Now,
I think that Matt cat Moss on the other side,
is a guy that's just getting started. We're trying to
figure out who he is, what he is. He got
rid of this spenders and we're ready for him to

(01:03:02):
kind of maybe have a promo on SmackDown this week
and tell us like, okay, though, if you're not Mad
Cat Moss, you're telling jokes? What are you?

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Who are you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Are you trying to do? What's your mission? And you know,
without Corman in the mix, I want to know what
his next step is. So this match, I think was
fine and it showed that Mad Cat Moss can can
can go, he can be violent, and he can he
can work a good match, and that's what we need
to see right now. The crowd was somewhat into this.
It was a little bit quiet, but you know, I

(01:03:30):
got to say the crowd was dying for a table spot.
I mean, throughout the entire show, Chicago was like, we
want tables, and we got it. Of course we got
the table spot in the main event that people were
chanting something funny that we'll get to. But you know,
this was fine. The steel step spot, the fallaway slam
on the steps was brutal. I mean, this was it

(01:03:52):
was a good match. It was a good match that
just established Mad Cat Moss.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
So do you see him as a candidates from the
fut of Money the Bank.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
A qualifier at least at least a qualifying match. Yeah,
he may end up losing that qualifier, but it depends
whose opponent is. So I mean, I wouldn't hate Mad
Cat Moss being in the ladder match, you know, but
even if he's in it, I don't think that he
has any chance of winning it. It would just be
a guy to fill a spot. But I mean, at
the bare minimum, at least a qualifier match.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Yeah, but it will help him standing in the ring
with kind of Kevin Owens, as we said, O bubbl
Ashley exactly will help him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
That's that's the whole that's the whole idea for him
right now. So all right, Well, the next match before
the main event was Theory versus Mustafa Ali from the
United States Championship. Chris, what'd you think?

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
I remember John Cena loses the United States title against
Coledo as well, but John Cena at that time was
also a babyface, right, so it was just a little
thought for me. You see, really losing against Mustafa then
see Chicago. Oh they are they really don't like maybe
maybe most time they want to make the people angry.

(01:05:10):
So Mustapha of course lose the match, but it was
a good match. They don't have that much time. I'm
sure they can make. I guess they can make a
five star match. I guess. Wow, I do have a chemistry.
I see they work together in NXT A lot. You
see that and in many sentences and Mustapha Li is

(01:05:32):
a babyface is pretty interesting. It's not that bad what
I thought it is. Maybe he's growing in his role goad,
but I'm also scared of his standpoint in the next
few months fury uh. Like I said, we have heard
about the rumors he's a wins mcman season as next

(01:05:54):
John Cena, and he goes the same path now of
the United States title. But is his just really similar
or really thought or is it meaning something or is
it just a random uh tyle run now for theory?
And he keeps being healed because I see him making

(01:06:16):
selfies with the heels. Also, I think as annoying as
it can be at the selfie thing, it's a good
thing also as a baby face. I mean, I don't
know why, what do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I think that right now it's a it's a stop
gap for theory. I mean, he's he can work with Ali,
and I actually believe this this may not be the
last time we see these two together because they know
they're going to get a good to great match out
of these two. Mean, you talk about athleticism at a
very high level. I mean, these two are young guys
that are just other worldly in terms of what they
can do in the ring, and they know they're gonna

(01:06:50):
it's like a it's a guarantee, and that's good to
have you when you have a something that you know
you can rely on. And I think these two probably
will have one more match if it's not unraw, it's
at the Money in the Bank pay per view or
premium live event. You're going to have these two in
the ring again. And I'm cool with that because it
allows both guys to show what they can do together
inside the ring and showcase their talents because they're on

(01:07:11):
equal footing with what they can do. But there is
some criticism of this match given that Chicago is Ali's hometown,
that they didn't give him that huge pop that he
could have gotten if he won the championship. Now, I
don't agree with that. Just because it's your hometown doesn't
mean you should win the championship. There the argument against
it is it's a great time to get heal heat
because you're going to beat a guy in his hometown.

(01:07:32):
I mean, why not continue the heat on theory. Plus,
he's mister McMahon's protege. Why would he have Ali, a
guy who just came back out of nowhere. He was
the leader of retribution that everyone forgets and he hasn't
had a whole lot of promo time. Why would you
have Ali beat Theory, a guy that mister McMahon has.
He worked with quick, quick, very quickly. But he worked
with Austin coltzev Astin at WrestleMania even though he got stunned.

(01:07:56):
He is a guy that was on camera with Vince
McMahon for months in his office and you know all
that stuff that happened. But I don't think that Theory
is ready to lose that championship. He just acquired it,
and they're trying to establish Theory as a main event
or a future main event guy. I have no problem
with the way that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
He needs better opponents, as more established opponents, higher opponents.
I guess to make Theory and the title rebuild the
title again, because as we know, WW reads their mid
card titles like they don't exist. Something like that. The
Continental title and the United States title they have meaned

(01:08:38):
much more in the past. But the past I mean
before COVID, because before COVID, it was Pason nice to
see that those matches, but to make theory and the
United States title really a very good mid card title. Again,
he needs good opponents. Who that can be? Why not

(01:09:01):
Kevin Owens? But the thing is Kevin Owens as you said.
Also he's also from a main event, of course he is,
but not for always, and to Fury is still a
heel where you can see against he can turn babyface
this year or next year, or when when they hold

(01:09:23):
the hand on him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
You're saying, when theory he turns baby face.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Yeah, he will, of course, I'm so sure you will.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
He will, But I think he's got a long way
to go. He's very unlikable.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
Long way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I think he's got probably not until twenty twenty three.
I mean at least until next year, because he has
I think he's got such he's got untapped heel potential.
People are just starting to get on board with this
theory idea of him being champion and you know, booing
him and going along with what w W wants, and
I think it's just starting to catch. I don't think

(01:09:53):
there's really an argument right now to turn him baby face.
He's he's got a very arrogant naturally authentic arrogance about him.
That's probably part of who he is, which is why
it's working his his selfie thing. At first, I was
thinking it was kind of stupid and and kind of juvenile.
But the more I see it, the more I want
to see somebody just, you know, knock the phone out

(01:10:15):
of his hand and kick his teeth down his throat.
And that's that's what I That's good, that's what we
should want. And I also think he has one of
the scariest smiles unintentionally of all time on the roster,
I mean the guys he's he looks like he could
be in like GQ magazine. But at the same time,
the second he smiles, his smile is like it's it's

(01:10:36):
almost I don't it's almost like he has a built
in Halloween you know, mask on like he he his
smile is scary. I don't know what it is like
when he smiles really big, it's it's not I don't
know why. It's supposed to be arrogant, but I see
it like frightening And I don't know what it is.
The way his his mouth, how big his mouth is,
and the way his teeth are I don't know. There's

(01:10:57):
just something about his smile that really is is frightening
unintentionally and also arrogant. So I think right now, to
answer your question, theory is going to remain a heal
at least for the next six to eight months, have
a good realm with that championship, and maybe not lose
that championship until we get into late this year early
next year. You know, I think you could have a
long run with.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
This title.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
And so rebuild it it have to be, and maybe
we can go on a quest for the Intercontinental title.
Maybe we can find out where that is. I mean,
because we don't see it. You win that championship, which
used to mean a lot, and then you just kind
of go into hiding.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Cuntur will win it and Cuntor will do something with it.
I guess Kunter will beat Ricochet. I mean I heard
something like Monday is today or tomorrow yeah today? Yeah?
And or was it Smack Door is row. I don't care.
They are everywhere, but Rikoshet will lose the title against Glunter,
oh yeah, and Cuntra will do something great with it.

(01:11:57):
And I like how also Gunter speaks chairman words and
his promos you see that, oh now, and of course
his face, my goodness, it is he is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
I mean, he doesn't even I don't even even know
if he needs to worry about promos like I mean,
he just he stands there and he's got the most
such a unique it's almost as if someone just I
don't know, modified this guy to look like just a
perfect foreign invading heel. I mean, he has got the

(01:12:27):
way that his face faces and I mean this very complimentary,
the way his bone structure, his face, his his facial expressions,
everything about this dude. And he doesn't have a six pack.
He's just kind of a thick, solid dude. He looks
more real. Just everything about Gunther, I'm I'm very high

(01:12:48):
on formerly known as Walter Gunther, very high on him,
and I think that he is going to when they
ever they call a clash for that Intercontinental Championship, whether
it's Friday, whether it's at the next event, Gunter is
going to take that Intercontinental Championship. There's no doubt about it.
And he should.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
And he isn't a good age. He's born eighty seven
and I see, I see now his first ring name
was Big Daddy Walter.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Was it really?

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Oh? No, it was his first name, but WW here
in Germany West Side Extreme Wrestling Progress Wrestling, he has
a long room. Yeah. Then he goes to NXT.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Then he was Walter yep, and then just decided, oh no,
I'm Gunter, which I had no problem with the name Walter.
I actually think that's fine. But there was nothing wrong.
Nobody had any issue with, like exactly, it's his real name.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
So all right, Walter Ham.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
What's his last name?

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Hum?

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
Like, uh, Chicken, isn't a chicken in the American Yeah? Okay,
t yeah, Oh gosh, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Main event time Cody Roads, Seth Rollins hell in a cell. Well,
Cody Rhodes, as we all knew and I'm sure you
heard beforehand, was injured and it was a legitimate injury.
This is not part of the storyline at all, and
it's not a hed a. WWE is telling us he
partially tore his peck during the brawl with Seth on raw.

(01:14:17):
I don't know if that's true or not, but either way,
during the workout that he had prior to the event,
he was lifting weights, he tore the peck completely off
of his bone, which led to internal bleeding, which is
all the bruising and things that we saw. He took
off his jacket after his entrance in the crowd, as
Corey Graves said, kind of went silent and we're like, oh, wow, crap.

(01:14:38):
You know, that's a that's got to be painful. And
you know, regardless of the injury, I think Cody Rhoads
and Seth put on a hell of a match considering
the injury and really brought the crowd back in to
the brought it back them into the main event. And
so before I continue more with my analysis, how did
you feel about the main event? Roads wins again? But

(01:15:02):
let me hear your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
First of all, the thing is I was a similar
injury from Triple H within his hopefully forgotten TAC team
match with Seawn Michaels against the Borders of Destructions in
Saudi Arabia. Has the same injury. But the thing the
difference is here is they have the time to prepare
Cody for it. I'm sure he had got painkillers and

(01:15:28):
all that. What Triple Ah has no chance in a
live match, so there's no way to fix him or
giving something so he can still continue to match, and
it must be very painful and without any pill painkillers
or something like that. So I'm sure Cody was prepared.
He was also told him. They told him surely about

(01:15:52):
the risks. I'm sure about that. I hope they they don't.
He don't. Yeah, give much more worse through that match.
Let's hope for the best. I also saw a lot
of concern in some ways in sef Ronins eyes in
some moves, but also there was no better man from

(01:16:16):
the chemistry point as Cephron's work. Such a match it
is in it says again, Yeah, you said, it's the
third loss, and it's horrible for him. I will have
no problem if Cody loses after some really hialish move.
Why not, and then you can't build rawlins now again,

(01:16:36):
who's still here but Cody, I'm sure will not be
here anymore. It's a few months, and Cody did not
need that victory clean of course not. So I have
no idea why they destroy kind of a bit of
that Cephrons. We know. It shows again what awesome worker

(01:16:57):
sep Rons as well is in ringsickcology and all of that.
To make even a herd injured opponent looking that nice
and that good, it's a yeah, phenomenal, especially also with Cody.
Cody has also I guess you really know what he's doing.
I don't know. I'm sure he knows absolutely was clear

(01:17:19):
about everything, everything risk and that was why the match
is going so good, because there was not no at
the end, no scary uh moves, Oh will it be
hurt too much or something like that. They know exactly
what they're doing, what they can't maybe do. And you
see the camera above on on the on the cell,

(01:17:39):
and in that moment, I was sure, okay, they want
they will not go over the cell because of that
camp and of course not because of the injury of Cody.
It was in my case maybe yeah, I don't know,
I see, I don't know point in winning Cody rows
giving the victory, especially now he's gone now for a
few months and rollin'stare. Now where's his journey going now?

(01:18:04):
We said money in the bank maybe m but yeah,
you cannot take him too serious anymore. Now he needs
badly a big victory, oh myke and that's just one
maybe two or also free. It's very sad about this
talent he has. And I yeah, it's not the right decision.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Yeah, I know what they're trying to do with Cody,
and they're trying to give him, you know, that that win,
But the fact that Cody Rhoades won all three is
really something that I don't agree with. At least they
could have given Seth that that victory at WrestleMania Backlash
and then okay, Cody wins the blowoff. I mean, that

(01:18:48):
would be bad enough. But to have Seth lose three
times in a row and the third one be to
a guy that has one arm, is that That's the
problem I have with this. And the whole story they're
trying to is like, oh, the courage of Cody, the
strength of Cody, the toughness of Cody's coming to this match,
which okay, yeah, that is that's a very tough thing
to do given the extent of this injury. Now, I

(01:19:10):
don't know what tearing a peck feels like. I can't
speak to that, but it certainly should limit your ability
in the ring, and it's got to be very painful.
But to me, that beyond the real part of this,
the storyline part of this is what bothers me with
Seth losing again and where do they go with this?
Seth rollins character that many of us wanted to be

(01:19:31):
the champion at WrestleMania if he was able to get
a championship match. Of course, we all knew Brock Lesner
hoarded that spot and it was Roman in Brock, and
they took both championships, and so nobody got an opportunity
outside of those two. But with seth Rawlins, a guy
that we all believe could and should be a world
champion right now is continually losing, continually losing. And he also,

(01:19:52):
on top of that, is a guy that felt like
he was ready to be champion, and they just keep
giving him big loss after big loss after big loss.
And I understand, he's a guy that's already a Hall
of Famer. If he retired today, he's in the Hall
of Fame. He's a guy that you know is going
to always always put on a great match. You know,

(01:20:13):
he's a guy that can cut an excellent promo. He
knows who he is now he doesn't have to worry
about if he's the guy that's going to burn it down,
or if he's a messiah or like he's kind of
a hybrid of all those things, and he's got it down.
His outfits are absolutely obnoxiously ridiculous. And he knows that,
and he's his dancing and his music, he's got it down.
And now he's just continually loses. For what for Cody

(01:20:37):
Rhodes to establish him as going on this run of
being undefeated or something, or to get him ready for
Roman reigns. I don't know. I don't like the fact
that Seth is continually losing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
The match itself was very good. The table spot of
putting Cody through the table very good. The pedigree being
used by Cody that was very good. You know this,
There's really nothing about the match itself I disliked, especially
considering the injury there was. Now what I've liked them
to actually use the cell? Yeah, I mean did the

(01:21:10):
cell even need to really be there given the type
of match they had, No, and they didn't have the
story going in, then, oh well, Seth keeps running away.
We need something to contain these two. That's what the
cell is for. Nobody was running away, really, I mean,
it wasn't. That wasn't the narrative of the story. They
just took the biggest feud going on on raw and
stuck it inside the cell, which I don't hate, but

(01:21:32):
the cell was barely used. And you add to that
that there's a no blood rule. It takes away of
some of the drama. And they also painted the cell red,
which has been a big problem of mine for a
long time. When you paint the cell red, to me,
I understand why they're doing, it's supposed to symbolize hell,
or it's supposed to symbolize blood. But to me, you're

(01:21:53):
just you're making it like a toy. Instead of just
keeping it naturally that silver mesh color, which makes it
feel more authentic, they have to gimmick it and make
it red. I don't like that, but I don't know.
The match itself was very good. I just don't like
the big continual losses for Seth Rollins.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
And now especially what's happening now the Code Roads will
be gone maybe six months, Yeah, we have to maybe
to come nine months. I heard it's about nervous about
nine months. And Rollins's still there and this character, as
we said, yeah, he's still maybe in a conflict with himself.

(01:22:34):
Will he evolve again? Now he has too, because you
don't believe this old character old what he said, So
he has to rebuild himself a little bit more in
the next few weeks, and that's I'm sure he can
do that, but not if he still get losses, it

(01:22:55):
will be immediately destroyed again. So he a mid card
title will help him, I'm sure about that, but not
just against anyone. I see him in a good feud
in the future. May not mean maybe not this year,
but also against a guy with Walter we have them,

(01:23:18):
and with Walter wins that in the continental title. Why
not go against Seph Rowlins for the intercontinent title again
at resume next year. These two could be also very
nice and Seth Rowns could be that babyface cod Roads
is now it can take this place slowly. But a
baby face turn for Rollins, I don't know if it's

(01:23:39):
the right one, because I see also Roman Rains turning.
Do you hear the pop on SmackDown where shortly the
music pops on because of Sami saying, but do you
hear the pops about the music? This is not a
Yalish pop. My god, they are so behind Roman man,
and they know they have to think about turn also

(01:24:00):
for Roman reigns in the future, especially that he's not
there that much anymore. So I'm very, very curious who
will get in these heel spots or who goes in
that baby face spots. We know also Seth rollins as
a baby face is not that good as a heel, yes,

(01:24:22):
but if he still continues to evolve, maybe he makes
a place in this character who fill step babyface and
he will be the best babyface in his career exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Yeah, Look, I mean the recovery time what I'm concerned about.
And then something that is I'm not really hearing much about.
Is Okay, Seth or rather Cody did go into this match.
He showed how tough he is, and you know, I
give him on the credit in the world, but did
he extend his recovery time with additional damage being done

(01:24:56):
by being in this match? You know, you wonder if
he kind of cut his nose off to spite his
face where he Okay, great, you were able to put
on a great match. He showed how tough you are.
People are you know, very admirable of that. They appreciate that,
and the main event still went on as planned. But
did you now add weeks or months to your recovery
if you did additional damage? Now I'm not a doctor.

(01:25:17):
If what they told us is true, and your pet
court tore completely off of your bone where it attaches,
then I don't know how much more damage you could
do if it's a full tear like I mean, that's
as far as it goes, like you fully tear it,
you fully tear it. But again I'm not a medical doctor.
I don't know, but I do wonder if him performing
in this match and deciding to do so, is now

(01:25:38):
going to cost him additional recovery time. I don't know,
and I haven't heard anything, but that is something that
we wonder now. I do remember when John Cena had
a full peck muscle tear in two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight, when he did that miraculous return
to the Royal Rumble in New York City where he
you know, he came out and the crowd went nuts

(01:25:58):
and he wasn't supposed to be there because they said
it was gonna be like six to eight months, and
he came back in like three months or something crazy.
So perhaps Cody is able to get the surgery. Like
if I were him, I would immediately like I'd be
in the surgery the operating room, like right now, like
go get it repaired now, and then you know, you
can start your return before hopefully coming back before WrestleMania season.

(01:26:20):
And you know, so I don't know what his recovery
time is, but Johnson is also superhuman. He's also not
actually a human being, So perhaps we do get a
shorter recovery time depending on how well the surgery goes,
depending on his you know, many other factors, including setbacks
or anything else. So I mean, I would say, if
possible in four four months, five months tops, maybe, you know,

(01:26:43):
that's what I'm sure WW will give us an update tonight.
And you know, I do wish that he wish his
speedy recovery and all that kind of thing, but I'd
hope that he didn't add months to his recovery just
by going into this match and performing.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
Survivors to one our day of October, right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Well, no October. What is October now? I don't even know.
It might be the Saudi Arabia event. It might be
the Crown Jewel I think, because there's Clash at the
Castle in September, and I think the the Saudi Arabia
event of Crown Jewels October, and then Survivors Series is November.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
And you said. Also, the Clash of the Castle will
be Roman rains against.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
That is the tentative main event right now. Drew McIntyre
has been over there promoting the hell out of the
event and Roman reigns and Drew, how do you not
get to that? They teased it and then that went away,
And I don't know how you don't get there with
Clash at the Castle, especially given the overseas crowd that
would be in full support of Drew McIntyre. I think
it would be a lot of fun to see right now.

(01:27:46):
That is the tentative plan that I'm seeing on all
you know the wrestling Observe the Torch, all all the
sites that we all know, right so that's that's what
I'm seeing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Can you imagine Recev Rowns, as I said, rebuilt him
as an awesome guy, how he was after all his
losses and with a midcard title, And I don't know
if he rebuilt a mid card title and himself again
with that or is not?

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
What is?

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
What does seth Throns need?

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
He accepts besides big victory, he needs to go on
a tear like we need to do the way to
erase all of this bad juju that he's had over
the last several i mean almost years now. He's had
so many big WrestleMania losses it's it's not even funny.
And so but the way to do that. The good
thing is that Seth Rollins has one thing in his
corner is he's an amazing promo. He's outstanding in the ring,

(01:28:39):
he knows who he is, he's established, he has a
long lineage of success. That's the good thing. Seth Rawlins
is already a made man. So the way that you
repair it is that you just you you rely on
fans having short memories, which a lot of wrestling fans do,
and you just have him have big victory after big victory,
but also cut excellent promos and you know, just kind

(01:29:00):
of just be Seth Rollins except just win. I mean,
it's it's really that easy. I don't care if it's
you know that he doesn't always have to have wins
that are clean. He's a heel, so you can have
those wins that are a little bit compromised, the lottle
blow for an object whatever. But wins, wins, wins, wins,
go on a winning streak, have Seth Rolins come out

(01:29:21):
on raw and look like he's down in the dumps,
he's hit rock bottom, and then just turn nasty, turn vicious.
Stop with the laughing. I don't need to hear his
obnoxious laugh. I just have Seth turned a little darker.
You know, I've heard Seth joining Edge. I mean, I've
heard rumors of that. I don't know if that would
really be beneficial to Seth or not. But just turn darker,

(01:29:44):
go deeper, go more vicious and vile, and do things
that fans are you know, immediately forgetting about your losses
and then continue to win and beat baby faces. That's
really it's not it's not really rocket science. That's that's
how I would do it, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:30:01):
Oh but it's it's very much time for that. Oh
yes it is, And he could be if you say
judgment day. I can't imagine in a long, long term,
of course, that he will replace Edge in that group.
That's what I mean, because of the baby face turn
again for Edge someday, because we all are after her
the same mind that Edge will end his career as

(01:30:24):
a baby face. Of course, an Edge could be replaced
by Seth Rollans if he joins that group, because he
can speak as well awesomely and can make that kind
of what was it called when you make au in Germany?
But coop the right. Yeah, he's that guy who can't

(01:30:45):
do that in a good group. So Franz can that talk,
but yes, without the laugh and that's he has to
put aside if he joins Judgment Day, because I think
this is not a laughing group, as silly as it sounds,
It's a heel group with more intense, more seriously and

(01:31:07):
not uh. I don't say se Franz is a bad heel,
but the heel he was after this free losses. He
needs to evolve now. He needs to be new and
he can do that. So give him the chance and
do whatever he needs. Wins and he needs to evolve, Yeah,
because he cannot say the same phrases now in the next.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Week exactly that this is right now a chance to
reinvent Seth. I'm not saying completely change who he is,
but do do This is the evolution point, This is
your crossroads. This is where no pun intended. This is
where you need to decide. Okay, what now that Seth
has lost three times in a row, it's gonna send
him into this the spiral of himself and he needs

(01:31:51):
to add something to his character. This is that time
when they lose this many times, Seth needs to do
something un Raw. I want to hear something from Seth
creative that gives me hope that after all these losses,
it's gonna be worth it because they're gonna start going
in this direction with Seth. That's what I want from
mondonett Raw tonight is something to show me, Okay, they're

(01:32:11):
not just gonna continue to have him lose or just
pretend that nothing happened and he's just out there laughing
maniacally again and then you know, gets into another program
that he's gonna lose. I don't need If Seth is
the same guy tonight, I'll be very disappointed. They need
to do something different, do a sit down interview backstage
where he's just kind of like staring off into the
abyss and he's not really there, Like, show me something

(01:32:34):
that I can sink my teeth into, give me a
hook for his character. That's what I want to see.
That's the goal tonight from mondon at Raw. But in
breaking news, I'm watching or I'm looking at Twitter, the
Twitter feed for WWE Elias said that, or rather Ezekiel
said he wants to become Tag Team Champions with Elias.
So he said that this is a quote from Twitter,

(01:32:58):
or rather Ezekiel. We grew up watching w w E.
It was my dream that one day we would be
tag team champions. I really think that should happen somewhere
down the line. I really hope.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
So Ezekiel wants to be Tag Team Champions with Elias,
How the hell does that happen?

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
Imagine he really appears.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
Imagine that would people would lose their minds, my.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
God, dooble as possible. I would.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
I would be My jaw would hit the ground like
it would be.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
I would.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
I don't know what people would do, I really don't,
or what Kevin Owens would do.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
Yes, I'm sure, Oh my gosh, this is oh my no. No.
I have one more fought for you about Austin Fury.
I made that and some mailbag show for Missus Cashaal
wrestling fans two months ago or something. It was the

(01:34:06):
baby face run for Austin Theory against Roman Reigns. I
tell you now this little story, and you tell me
what do you think about it? Maybe you read it
something or heard something. Imagine Fury gets someday a match
against Rains for any circumstances. It's for a tile whatever,

(01:34:29):
and why is it to punish Roman reigns or whatever?
And it came disclose, but it's of course they are
too too overpowering her, the bloodlines too yeah, too strong.
And he has always this mobile in his hand, right,
and he gets thinking in one moment, hey, I could

(01:34:53):
call somebody who maybe can help me better as anyone
in the world. And he he's finding out this address
of this little person in Saskatchewan, right, he's going there
and he's visiting the farm right where a famous person

(01:35:16):
is there and work there, and this lives a cool
life there. And re remember this guy has lost at
WrestleMania right against Rains. So he was very angry. He's
much anger inside, maybe, but he lives with it. And
then he asked in that farm the people, have you

(01:35:39):
ever see brock Lessner? And then their first name the
first time he mentioned that name, rock Lester. Have you
seen this brock Lessner? I need to speak with him
or something? And he did search in many sequences right
over two weeks maybe, and then finally he found him
and it wasn't a moment where you just heard Brooke

(01:35:59):
least and his voice, what the hell do you want here?
The hell? Who the hell are you right? And he
fives him two times on the floor and let him
lay and go home. Kid. At the end, then he's
not giving up. And the next week we saw him
searching for brock Lesner again, but they told him he's

(01:36:22):
on his uh, on his bar where he's go every
every Friday or something like that, and he's going there
and see brock Lessner sitting on the bar with any
other guys. Brock Lessens looks different, much more beard like. Uh, yeah,
you see that he's conflict with himself. Yeah, as he's

(01:36:44):
pretty sad about that loss still and feels not good.
And then he gets feel provoked from Theory and he
has a brawl with him in that bar and in
this bra Fury shows he can stay with brock ness

(01:37:05):
He fights with him maybe five minutes or something like that,
and yeah, maybe he's still standing tall Brocklesson a bit,
but he's very exhausted and very surprised by this kid,
and at the end he grabs his hand. You want
to beat Roman reigns, I show you how you can

(01:37:26):
maybe do it, and then you see over the weeks
until the next WrestleMania, like they train together, like they
have practice together. Yeah. And at the end of the
all is the match at WrestleMania between Roman Reigns against
Fury and brock Lester in this corner of Fury and

(01:37:47):
pull him in the corner of Roman Reins and Fury
beats Reigns for the title. That will be I mean
a babyface thing you can, yeah, I mean imagine Regnessan
was never in the corner of somebody and uh, he's

(01:38:10):
the one guy who can really imagine build teach Fury
maybe some weaknesses of Rains and that's what's the little
littlest thing he needs to beat Roman Race.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Okay, So there's there's something I really like about it
and some things that I don't know if the fans
would would latch onto an. Other things I like about
it is it checks the box of the person who
beat Roman, who beat Roman Reigns for that championship after
my god, how many hundreds of days. Now is a
young guy that they can build on. It's not like
the Rock, which has he has no business beating Roman

(01:38:46):
reigns in that scenario, and I will stick by that.
It's not something it's not a veteran, it's not somebody
that's already made. It's a guy that you can build on,
and you can use that as a like a big
foundational piece to jump jump start that person's career. So
that check that box, young guy that you can build on.
It's also going to check the box of being a
really good match because Theory and Roman are great performers.

(01:39:08):
And yeah, the theory could work with anybody, it's seeming like,
so that that also checks out. Theory is also starting
to get a little bit of momentum right now, he's
got some the fans are starting to react to him.
He does feel confident on the microphone. The promos I
think would be good.

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
Do you have that?

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
You also have Brock Leser involved. And while nobody has
any interest in seeing Brock and Roman in a ring, again,
Brock wouldn't be in the ring. He would just be
ringside to support Theory and also maybe get a little
physical if need be, if he's provoked, which is fine.
So there's that now. I think that that could that
could work. Now the criticism of that would be well

(01:39:44):
brock Leser involved in anything Roman Reigns is doing, people
would just grown at because I think everybody is tired
of seeing Roman and Brock, Brock and Roman, Roman and Brock.
I mean we've seen it too many times. Not even
even though they're not in a match in your proposed scenario,
them involved in the same storyline at all, I think
people would grown at because they're tired of seeing it.
So that I think would be one thing people may

(01:40:07):
not gravitate to just because of the oversaturation of that
match and that pairing. But also, is Theory really the
right guy to do this where he's the one to
to to take out Roman Reigns when there may be
are other candidates, You know, there's an argument to be
made there. And and I don't know if also people
would really forget how arrogant Theory is and you're able

(01:40:30):
to turn him babyface. There's also no guarantee that people
would say, yeah, that's that's kind of cool. Let's let's
get behind Theory, you know. And also, is brock Lesnar
really the right guy to give tips to Theory, given
that brock Lesnar lost like two or three times to
Roman Reigns. Over the last year, you know, is he
really the right guy? Shouldn't it be somebody that actually
has beaten Roman reigns now, Brock has beaten him, but

(01:40:51):
not recently, so I mean, there's there's definitely validity there.
And if I at least if I were in creative
pitch it to Vince like it'd be can we at
least just discuss this. It's not bad, I don't I
don't hate.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
That, especially the sequences could be fun. I missed these
sequences out of arenas out in the in the normal
life maybe, like said, and I missed kind of that once.
And yeah, if you build him not good enough, yeah,
defense will not take him that serious as a baby face,

(01:41:23):
but maybe he has potential to lose kind of his arrogance.
I mean John Cena as a heel that time is
a doctor of economics, right, but he also changes from
a pretty arrogant to was he ever? But he was
never that arrogant as furious now right? It was not
that level. Yes, you're right, yeah, ah difficult, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's not a bad idea. And
you know what I mean, Brock Lesner, I don't know
when or if he's returning. I'd imagine that at some
point he is. And the thing is that just I
don't want to see Brock and Roman within one hundred
feet of each other. I mean, I just I don't.
I mean, we've seen it way way too much. And

(01:42:09):
it's it's a main event this past year that no
one asked for. It's just what Vince wanted. It seemed like,
you know, and I don't know. So I don't dislike
the idea at all. I think that you're you're dead
on with somebody like Theory being the one that should
take out Roman reigns for that championship. I think that's
that's a good, good thing. So all right, anything else

(01:42:30):
before we wrap things up there?

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Chris Wow, Yes, I want to give big, big shoutouts
to the discloth server. My gosh, I have to read
the names all of them because it was very funny
since I've not been there pretty much. Because also of
a work here, busy live then the difference from the

(01:42:53):
time and I don't write in a lot or two
mailbags or something like that. I'm sorry for that, and
I hope him make it better in the future, the
new future. Can you twody big shout out for you
and your great show of the Fire and Trash list.
I love it and your woman is absolutely fired. Great great, great,

(01:43:19):
just great. Memphis Mark shut out to you and your
last uh he was a robbery.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
He w but I also recently had him on as well.

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
Yeah yeah, and Temmy as and especially TJ Cousmo getting
well assumed, my god, we will miss him. I do
miss him as well, especially his cool, cool voicemails. But
health is the most important thing, as we know, and
I'm sure he gets through it. Jushed the hand missed
the cash a wrestling fan. Thanks for all cool cool guy,

(01:43:50):
especially with his wife or the paper before all names
I forgot. You're cool, very cool, and it's very nice
to read all the messages when I'm in driving or
something or on mailbag. I listened to work at all
every particist I listen. I didn't watch wrestling too much

(01:44:13):
in the last few weeks, I would say, because of
changes in life, but I will do again. It will
be bigambetting better. Thanks for all your work, Matt and
all your co hosts and hosts. It's awesome to hear
and to listen. Also from Switzerland, and yeah, you can
find me on Twitch Uncle Chris show. It's German, but

(01:44:35):
I will speak with you in English if you want.
I can't change the language. Recently there was some guy
from the America not about wrestling, but it just calls
in randomly. And I'm sure when we can do view
chats here with the community, maybe it's even cooler to
be in in a discord chat with five six people

(01:44:56):
in a view chat room. Why not. We can evolve
as well, and you do a great job about that.
I will still be a patron for a long time hopefully,
and until you wrap the shop up a show up,
I think we'll be a old guy and you as well.
We will talk about wrestling when you are sixty or seventeen,

(01:45:16):
I'm sure, Matt. Thanks for everything and thanks for having
me and wish you the best and awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Thanks so much, Chris, it's been a joy. And you know,
as always, if you ever want to do a show,
which I mean you can every month. I mean, so
we will have to do this next month as we
get closer to the money in the bank.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
July second, Yeah, I have to also. Yeah, I'm a
bus driver my work travelers, I'll work twenty one hours
a day times at the times as well, we work
just less than three hours from all day twenty four
hours hour the shifts, we work from four o'clock in

(01:45:54):
the morning to one a half past one in the
evening that time. And it's yeah, it's not easy to
find time. Something and I have a relationship was far
away from here. I have to travel there every two
weeks and weekends. So I will find more waste in future,

(01:46:15):
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
And given our time difference, we have eight hours of
difference of time between us, it's yeah, it's it's difficult,
but uh, you know, definitely get some sleep. You and
I probably both need it and we will be in
touch for our next show.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
Thank you very much to take care bye.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Hi.

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