4 YEARS AGO: WWE Week in Review with Mr. Casual Wrestling Fan

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, well, welcome to your weekend review and tonight guys.
Back by popular demand, mister casual Wrestling Fan is here
to co host the show with me and talking about
everything going on in WWE. Give me his thoughts on
the releases towards the end of the show and if
WWE is going to be sold, as well as playing
a little game at the end where we get to

(00:21):
fire three men and three women each from the current rosters.
It's a blast. You're not gonna want to miss this one, guys,
mister casual wrestling fan and myself starts right now. Welcome
to the WWE Podcast, your number one source for the latest.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
In WWEE news and straightforward analysis.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Are you ready to get this thing going?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hell yeah, Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Dun Let's get this show started right now. Hey, everybody,
welcome to the WWE Podcast. It is Sunday, June thirteenth,
twenty twenty one, and buckle up, guys, because we have
mister cashal wrestling fan backed by popular demand, as I've mentioned,

(01:12):
and he is here to discuss everything going on in WWE,
and boy, oh boy, does he have some takes that
I think you're gonna want to hear. As always. I
think he is just so well spoken number one, and
he has views that I don't think a lot of
us are thinking about. He has a way of looking
at wrestling that is just different than most that it's

(01:34):
fun to listen to somebody talk about wrestling that is
not the same way that most people do, myself included.
I mean, I think he should have his own damn
show if you ask me. But he is always a
great conversation and we talk for two and a half
hours about wrestling this week. So if you like long
form audio, certainly this one's going to deliver as we

(01:55):
completely dissect nearly everything. He didn't cover every little detail,
but boyle boy did We dive into some topics pretty deep,
fantasy booked a little bit a little bit, and uh
then had fun with our game at the end where
we got to fire three people each from the men's
and women's divisions, of course in our fantasy lands. Not
actually advocating for these people being fired, but a really

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fun conversation guys with a miss Guy's Wrelsling fan Again,
Vario spoken fun to talk to and I'm sure we'll
hear from him this coming week on the mail bag.
And if you have your thoughts on our conversation here,
let us know. I mean, we are interested in our
in your feedback from our conversation, so send it to us,
you know, email us at real ww podcast at gmail
dot com, or call in this week with the mail

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bag five p one eight nine five to two zero
two four seven. I've also upgraded, if anyone you care.
I've upgraded in the mic this week. I've actually got
some new hardware and went from the YETI. I was
using the YETI mic, which was fine for a while,
but one of them crapped out on me. I had
another spare one, but yeah, I said, you know what,
it's time to upgrade, right, found to upgrade my standard

(03:01):
of living, spend money on things I already have. But
for real, I think this one sounds better. So maybe
you noticed, maybe you didn't. This is actually I'm using
the you do wonder Some people do ask. I'm using
this sure MV seven that's the MIC that I use.
And it's not the SM seven B that's a much
more expensive microphone. This one's kind of like the middle tier.

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But it's a brand new MIC and I'd really recommend it.
By the way, it's so far. I love it. It's
the sure MV seven For those of you that care.
If you don't, well cool, you get to learn something anyway.
All right, well, we're gonna get to the conversation in
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complaints and praise and whatever else do you want to
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Head on over to Patreon dot com. I'll send you
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really fun time talking about everything going on that night

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in wrestling, because Helen Seal's coming up a week from tonight.
So all right, well, thank you everybody for listening. As always,
I'll be bowing out now as we're going to head
to our conversation. Quite a long show tonight. It's one
of our top ten longest shows. Not a complaint, especially
if you love that long form audio. So I'll be
back Tuesday night with your Monday night Raw review and

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then you guys know the schedule the rest of the week.
So thank you to everybody listening, and as always, i'll
talk to you next time. All right, everybody, Well, this
is back by popular to man. This man is back
because of you, the listener who have emailed me ask me, hey,
you got to bring him back? When is he coming back?

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And as we always do here, we're all about customer
service here at the WWE Podcast, we have we have
serviced you the listener, to bring back the mister Kads
a wrestling fan, welcome back to the show. Hey do
it man?

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yes, sir mad doing good. Shout out to everybody in
the w podcast. You know I'm glad to be back.
And we're gonna have some fun tonight.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yes we are, Yes we are, And I know that
the listeners have fun. With your mail bag that you
send in every week. Sometimes it's a voicemail. Lately it's
been more email and boil boy to you. You cut
prom I can hear your voice through the emails. I
don't know what it is. Every single time that you
write in you cut a promo on me or say
things that you know purposefully annoy me about things that
are going on. It's good stuff. So we're gonna get

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to the Wen review at the end of the show,
just so everybody knows we're gonna get the miss Guy's
rusling fans take not just the releases, but also a
hell of a question he posted to me at the
beginning of this show before we aired, who would we fire?
Who would each of us fire three guys or gals
that are on TV regularly not jobbers if we had

(06:23):
to release three people today on top of the releases
that we've already gotten. So that is going to be
saved for the end of the show. How about that
for a hook? So guys, stay tuned for that. But
we're going to jump into this week in WWA, one
week out from hell and a cell really only one month,
just one month until fans are back in the flesh.

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I don't think anybody can wait for that. But I
gotta ask you, what do you really love about what's
going on right now in WWA.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
I got two words for you.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Role mean Ryan, the Rays defended, UNCONTROVERTI undisputed Universal track
Champion of the World, the tribal chief.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
He is the man, he's the bouts, He's whatever you
need him to be.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
He's that gap. I love it. I love everything about it.
You know how I feel about the blood land word.
But Roman is doing his bang.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
There's no question Roman Rains has been the highlight of
Not Just SmackDown. I mean, we all know he's carrying
SmackDown on his back. There's no question about that. Other
guys and gals I think have done their job on SmackDown.
Outside of the Roman Rains storyline, it's been a much much,
much better show than Monday Night Raw. I think Not

(07:55):
Just SmackDown is the show he's carrying. I think he's
carrying WWE in totality. Yes, I know he's not Unraw,
but it feels like this guy without this storyline, I
think a lot of fans, even more than they already have,
would have tuned out. And the ratings aren't great, But
I think Roman Reigns is a guy that has been

(08:16):
the one of the foundational pillars of the pandemic era
and it's gonna be awesome to see him back in
front of a live audience doing what he does. And
I think it's just it's gonna be up from there now.
I gotta ask you before we get into what happened,
but very quickly, because there are so many rumors floating
around about who's Roman reign Who Roman Reigns is gonna

(08:39):
face next. I mean, yes, we know Raymisterior at Helenasel,
but the rumors two guys, and I'll name them for you.
You know what I'm gonna say. But I want to
know what you think the probability of this happening is
John Cena and the Rock. What do you think could
happen if anything, or do you think this is all
just kind of just rumor mill stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
I'm being honest, I think it's some validity to these
Number one, because obviously the W's going back on the road,
So I do think it's a high probability of John Cena,
and I ain't gonna say.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
You know me, fifty fifty.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
I'm not gonna go over the edge fifty to fifty
chance John seen it comes back.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Hopefully it's on one off. I'm not really a Johnson
a fan.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
I think Rock is a lot lower of a chance,
maybe twenty five percent, or maybe that's something they run
out towards WrestleMania if it's not drow McIntire. But you know,
it wouldn't shock me through Johnson donas. How about yourself?

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I think you know, lately it's been The Rock as
a hot topic about how they want to set something
up for Survivors Series that leads to a match between
them at WrestleMania thirty eight in Dallas in front of
eighty thousand people. So you know, I don't know, if
I don't know if that's swaying what my opinions are
about The Rock versus Roman Reigns. To me, I would

(10:00):
I'd say fifty to fifty on The Rock, and I
would say twenty five percent on John Cena. And I'm
not doing it just to go against what you're saying,
because I still think there's a chance John Cena does.
But I think the story for The Rock and Roman
Reigns is deeper than just John Cena and Roman Reigns
because number one, we've already seen Roman Reigns and John Cena.

(10:20):
I understand it was many years ago, oh three four
years ago, and Roman Reigns was in a much different
position as an uncomfortable baby face that couldn't cut promos
and got absolutely shredded in front of a crowd against
one of the best on the mic of all time,
John Cena. But the storyline is almost just there to
be taken. With The Rock as part of the family,

(10:42):
the Samoan heritage, he could come in and immediately, you know,
challenge Roman Rains as head of the table. This storyline
is just ripe for the picking. I just I think
The Rock is a slightly higher chance than John Cena.
And actually I'd want to see The Rock against the
Roman Reigns if I had to pick, more than I'd

(11:04):
want to see John Cena against Roman Rains.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
And I agree that I would prefer to see the
Rock Roman. Right, that's a great match. But is that
something that we're gonna give away before Wressell Bania I
mean that could literally headline WrestleMania. You know, it's been
a while since we you know, got back out here
and to feel normal again. Hopefully twenty twenty two. It's
in Dallas, it's gonna be rocking. Think about the crowd

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just booing, roaming out the door, rock getting a great,
great pop, and I think that's the move. And like
I said, I'm pretty sure that they need rightings, but
SmackDown is doing good, so I think you get the people.
John Sena, A lot of people want to see the
Scena match right now. I think it's something you can

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blow off on for a summer slam. And like I said,
I'm not here for John Cena, but I know a
lot of people is and I would like to see
the rock, but I would want them to hold that
that's Roman Range Rock.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Russell Mania. You know, Roma's been champ over a year
and a half.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
You know, he's done defeated everybody. Everybody's praying and hoping
Rock please beat it. Take it from it. It's been
over a year and a half, you know, I think
Russell Mania is the way to go, and I hope
that Roma would beat the Rock to give people the
ultimate send him home. Ad Let's not send them a
home happy, send him home mad Romans still champion and

(12:27):
go from there.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
That is something too now, And we're also not even
looking at the fact that both of these could probably happen.
I think there's a slight chance that both of these
things happen. And I think there's a solid chance that
both of these happened with John Cena versus Roman at SummerSlam,
and then something happens with The Rock later in the
year leading to a match of WrestleMania. I think that's probable.

(12:49):
Do I think it's likely, No, but I think it's
probable and or possible. But you're right. I want people
to be angry because you think The Rock is gonna
come back. Imagine the pop number one but number two.
You want The Rock as a legendary figure to take
down this big headed, ego maniac of Roman Reigns at WrestleMania,

(13:11):
and like you said, then the Rock fails. That's actually
what I want, and I'm a massive Rock fan. I
want someone to beat the hell out of Roman Reigns.
But I'm actually willing to forego that happiness for the
character of Roman Reigns. That is something special going on
right now. I actually, like you said, yeah, because the
Rock winning, what would that do? The Rock goes back

(13:33):
to Hollywood and Roman Reigns is left standing there a
bit demoralized for what. So to me, Roman has to
win both of these matches if it happens.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
And I totally agree. But let me let me switch
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
What do you think the probability or brockle is there
to come back to face Bobby.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I think it's good. I actually think I think it's
a higher chance than all out of all three of these,
I would bank on brock Lessner versus Bobby Lashly as
the most likely to happen. Do I think it's a
foregone conclusion. No, I would put it slightly ahead of
the chances of the Rock coming back, meaning maybe like
a sixty percent chance. Don't ask me how I'm coming

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up with this math. It's just just believe me. I
think that Roman reigns, I'm sorry, brock Lesner versus Bobby
Lashly is something that should happen. I think they hinted
at it even a little bit on Monday net raw
either last week of the week before mentioning about brock Lesner,
he was mentioned in Passing, and Bobby Lashley referred to

(14:38):
him as that some other guy. I think that's the
phraseology he used. So they kind of mentioned him in passing,
So that might set a little bit of a seed
in for Brock versus Bobby. I think it is more
likely than Johnson and or the Rock. What about you?

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I agree, I think it's a big hopefully.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
I mean, that would be a great match, and I agree,
I'll put it about sixty. You know, I'm not It's
hard for me to gamble high on David b because
they're so sporadic, but I would love to see Bobby
Brock that that that's a great match. I don't want
to get into the Bahaiman issue because I personally don't
think it's possible for him to represent them both.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
But I feel like Bobby Brock would be great. Where
do you give it away at though?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Do you do you do it as Summer Slam or
do we push it past Summer Slam?

Speaker 2 (15:32):
How would you? How would you play that?

Speaker 1 (15:35):
I actually may do Summer Slam. The reason I may
do Summer Slam for that is because who else is
Bobby Lashley going to face? I mean, they are running
out of baby faces. They've already run out. I mean,
they're trying to recreate kofree Mania, which is not working.
They have Drew mcinturre this coming Sunday night at Hell

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on the Cell for the final time, presumably, and we
can get into this. But I think presumably Bobby Lashley
is going to retain. I think he should. I don't
think anybody wants to see Drew McIntyre's champion again for
a long time or even mentioned. I don't want the
words w W A championship coming out of his mouth
for like a year. I don't even want to hear
him talk about it anymore. So I think that after
Drew is done and he goes off and does his

(16:17):
own thing, who does Bobby face? I mean, I really
don't know, so I think brock Lesner. They may. It
may take a few weeks, maybe up money in the
bank or something like that. Brock Lesner shows up and
gives Bobby Lashy a one or two match run. What
about you?

Speaker 3 (16:35):
I would like for that, because you know how I
feel about Drew. I'm tired of seeing him in this
title picture. You know, miscasual wrestling.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Fan of my daughter.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
They love you they wanted to get the bill back
and do the Drew McIntire COVID thing all over again.
But me, personally, I'm not here for that, you know,
I'm it's really stale to me that Drew. You know,
he keeps getting the opportunity and keeps getting opportune the
then I'm just not here for that personally. I hope

(17:04):
Bobby retains, but I'm gonna be honest with you, I
really think Drew has a high chance of winning this match,
and it's the wrong move I do w I'm totally
against it, but we cannot ignore the facts. You know
that's coming up. They're saying this is drew last chance.
There's no babyfaces for Bobby the face. They're going back

(17:25):
on the road. You know, it just seems too prime
to say, put the bill back on Drew.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Do have plenty heals the face and he can go
back and do everything he did like he did last
year in front of the crowd. I'm against that that
thought process. I think Bobby lastly is the current wave
and we should ride him out. And but.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
To form a quick question within our discussion, does Brock
come back as the face?

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yes? I think he does. The reason is because he
has to the lack of babyfaces on raw is so
strikingly a bit large that without I mean it goes
from Drew McIntyre down to what Kovie Kingston. And look,
I'm not a KOFE fan, people know that, but I
think that they are trying to recreate something from what

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two years ago, and we're supposed to be invested in
a character that never talked about his championship, lost to
Brock for two years, and all of a sudden he
just remembered, Oh, I didn't get my opportunity. That's right.
They are pulling at straws right now. While I love
brock Lesnar as a heel actually a little bit more
than a babyface, I don't think they're gonna have a
chance to really make him a heel because they are

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so lacking in big baby faces they have no option.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
And that comes into our next problem.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Assuming Bobby Beach Drew, assuming Brock comes back and Bobby
Beach broad you're back at square one.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I mean, you still got it on a heel champion
who doesn't have but they ain't. Granted, they do have
time to.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Try to get established some time babyfaces. But I really
feel like that that takes time. You don't establish the
top babyface overnight. You know, it's something that has to
be organically done. The fans have to get behind said person.
I mean, I even took time to rewatch the Royer
Rumble from twenty twenty with Drew Want and when Drew
came out, his pop winning as big as MVP's pop.

(19:20):
MVP's pop was liud Drew's pop Winn' It Loud. But
when he eliminated Brock, the fans got behind him. And
I'm not saying he wasn't the top baby for then,
but I'm saying that that moment was when the fans said,
this is our guy, and I think it's gonna be
hard for them to be just to put somebody to say, hey, Koch,
to go recreate it.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
You can't do that. Hey, Xavier, try to recreate it.
Try to help Kovie recreate it. He can't do that.
You know, I'm totally over the New Day personally. I
don't like Xavier Woods at all and Kovie Kingston.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
I do like that conversation he had with MVP, and
I hope, ye yeah, I hope it leads to something.
And I know everybody's thinking, what, maybe he joins the
whole business.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
I don't think that's the way they're going to go
with it. If we remember with Apollo, he.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Had that conversation with Paul, and after that we got
a whole new Apollo that had.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Nothing to do with Roman ranks. But because Roman just
put that extra ru uponum, because it came from Paul,
it worked. And I think they're trying to recreate that, hopefully,
and I'm all here for a kofe heel here too.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
I hope they do it. I think the New Day Now,
I've said this for many like I'm seriously years and
years now since I don't know, probably twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
that I think the New Day's runs course. But you know,
I understand from a business perspective, from a monetary perspective,
if they're raking in merchandise sales, I totally get why
they keep them together. They're a for profit organization. You know,

(20:49):
just because something may be running ragged and completely overused,
doesn't mean they're not going to keep running. At a
group or a champion out there, if that person's making
a lot of money for the company, it's so you know,
just because something's old doesn't mean it's not making money,
especially with kids that are the ones, you know, really
the consumers, but the parents are the ones buying the
merchandise a cereal or unicorn horns, whatever. And I don't

(21:10):
know if the merchandise and numbers are on the whole
New Day gimmick anymore. If it's going south, you'll know
by the fact that they break them up. Like I
said with Kobe Kingston. But you asked about, well, what
do they do if Brock comes in, he loses to
Bobby and then the Rackets score one. Well, they're doing
the draft a week after Summer Slam this year, so

(21:31):
they would only need to get Brock to Summer Slam,
presumably lose to Bobby Lashley, which I hope he would
because I actually want Bobby to keep going, and then
just get to the draft. You don't have a week
to get to the draft. That's you know, you can
do anything that week, so immediately you get to push
the reset button that following week after Summer Slim. So
really they only have to get through like two months

(21:53):
in change left with the current rosters as they are
to get to that reset button. Hopeful fleet influx of NXT.
Not everyone, but maybe an NXT guy or gal here
or there I think would do some some real, real
good here. So and presumably even you know, I'm hearing
rumors of Finn Baler coming back to the quote main roster.

(22:15):
So that's that's the one good thing, guys. Two months
or so and we'll be back to hitting the reset
button with the draft.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
And there's only one problem with the draft if there's
not a lot of NXT. Kyle Loups SmackDown doesn't have
a lot of babyfaces either. I mean he foiled Roman,
rains pal Ko three times.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
He didn't foul Edge and Daniel Bryan who who Dan
Brad's not there? No more Edges, you know, with a
five fight contract or something like that.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
He's got Cizarro, he knocked him out. Natty just made
some of Raymond serial. Roman is going through the same
problems as well. On SmackDown.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I mean they have a.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Little bit, they have a few more babyfaces because obviously
everybody let SEVP coming here, you know, but without a
lot of NXT collups, which I hope for you know,
NXT does have good, good wrestlers. I'm not I don't
watch NXT like that, but I do catch it when
I can't. Ben Balad definitely needs to come up, and

(23:17):
they need to bring up a lot of other people too,
and you know, hopefully they can't get it under control.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Hopefully.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah. I mean, it's just getting to the point now
where it's just painfully obvious, especially on RAW, that they
need something different to do beyond deal with a haunted
doll that is main eventing money that Raw. I mean,
some people may say, well, they've done hocus Pocus before
the end RAWLL, what about the Undertaker? You know, Bray

(23:46):
White's ended Raw. It's different with Alexa because number one,
Alexa Bliss. I'm a big fan of Alexa. I like
what she's done. She has reinvented her character in a
big way. She added to the Fiend character a lot.
I think Bray should be grateful for Alexa and what
she's done, especially when Bray wasn't there and Alexa was

(24:07):
there to torment Randy Orton for four months. The only
thing I have a problem with is the fact that
it took them two months, two months to put Alexa
Bliss in a storyline and not just sitting backstage on
her make believe playground talking to talking to a doll
that apparently has demonic powers. And I get it, Like

(24:31):
we've seen wacky things in the past from WWE with
their hocus Pocus magic. I understand that. But when it
main events RAW with a doll, like a doll is
apparently chasing Shane of Basler throughout the arena and no
one's backstage, you know, except for the cameraman. Oh, and
the cameraman are in every convenient location in every room

(24:53):
that she happened to go in. But I guess, before
I keep going, what did you think? Maybe you have
a better or a more positive spent on this The
ending of Monday Night Raw this week with Shanna Basler
freaking out over stepping on Lily and then Lily, you know,
basically using all of her superpowers to scare Shanna Basler.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Well, man, if you thought I was gonna have a
positive bent on this one, you're wrong. That was some crap.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I tried.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I tried. That was literally crap. And let me let
me say this up front.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I personally like cinematic aspects that they would be does
from time to time. I like the undertake a bone
yard match, And I know a lot of id so.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I don't have a problem with cinematic, but that I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
I'm not here for that Alexa Bliss character. You know,
when we talked back in.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
January, had I had a total different perspective of her
than I do today. I am totally over with the
here and you know, I know a lot of people
might not be as far gone as me. She's been
playing with dolls, swinging on the swing set, but yet
people have a problem with a with a zombie umber
Jack Batch. At least you got to see the zombies

(26:02):
do some type of action, you know, you got to
see them wrestled with some degree. Alexa Blizz all you've
seen from her as a punch Let's see it. She
threw some punches, you know, Lily Gastompton, I don't even
want to waste my time with this. You got it, man?
All right?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Well, I mean really, I mean, if you guys heard
my Raw review, it was pretty scathing for this segment.
It's I'm not a fan of cinematic, so this doubled
down on my dislike for this the Boneyard match. The
more I watch it, the more I I think I'm
also kind of coming to terms with the fact that
it's not as bad as I originally thought, because it's
also Undertaker's last match, which certainly helps out things for me,

(26:41):
but that's beside the point. Since I don't like cinematic though,
that doesn't help. And then you add a haunted doll,
which that doesn't help, especially a haunted doll that's just
been sitting there on a swing for two months, and
we're all supposed to be scared of it. I'm not
buying it. And Alexibliss has not been in a real
program other than sitting there. I'm reading empty threats to
the entire woman's division, and we finally get her focusing

(27:04):
in on a particular female wrestler. The only good thing
I could say about this, if I'm trying to find
something to grasp at, is that Shanna Basler's finally out
of the tag team division. It seems like her and
Nya have split, and seemingly split civilly. They're not going
to have a program together. I think that's smart. I
don't know. I don't want to see it because they're

(27:24):
both heels. But Shanna Basler is on her own now,
which is what we've all been asking for, I myself included.
So she's solo. I think she does her best work solo.
But the problem with that is, as I argue with myself,
is well, she's now in a program where she's scared
of dolls, and she's backstage and she's kicking mirrors to

(27:48):
get the reflection of Lily out of her head. I
don't know. I want to see more than anything, the
follow up to this on Monday Night, because this was
critically destroyed by fans. I think I would say eighty
to ninety percent of the things I saw on social
media towards this were just destroying this segment. So is

(28:08):
that perhaps one thing you can take away though, is
that Shannon Baseler is at least on her own now.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
I mean, Matt, I'm being honest.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
I don't want it. Shanna basler career is in Jeffardy currently.
Let's be honest. This can ruin her career. We're not
talking about a program.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
When she looks bad.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
We're talking about a program where she could get buried.
Shana Beseler needs to stay away from Alexa Blizz.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
This is not good for her at all. I prefer
to see it with Na Jacks. To be honest, compared
to this, you're gonna lose Shanna Beseil. We lost Pray White.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
And granted we know now that you know, he's dealing
with issues, and that's fine. You know everybody has mental
you know, problems from tann to town and his friends
close to him. I totally get that, but Alexa has
not did break White in the favors this doll is
in Shanna Bezeli's career. I would like, I said, I

(29:03):
would pool Shane away from this as quick as possible.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, and then I guess that is the that is
the one massive downside, even though she's alone. I think
everyone knows the outcome is going to be Alexa Blist
goes over. And then then then where does shanea go?
You know, you're right, and she's gonna be what's running
around scared for the next you know, two weeks or
whatever or maybe Helena sells word ends. I don't know, and.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Think about it.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, she Shanna Bezels already seventeen to seventeen fifty fifty
book in this best that's all they think for her.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
She's going to end up being a job and it's
crazy to say. I know people are like, what, Shanna
Basler bron Stroman just got fired.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Don't think it's beyond the realm of possibilities for Shanna
Bazils to become a job.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
That would be a damn shame. I think Shanna Bazil
has got a lot to offer. But like you said,
you know, actually there really isn't someone worse that they
could put Shane with now that I'm thinking, because Shaney
Bezeler is a serious, like, got a legit MMA credential background,
and you're putting here with somebody that she has to
act scared with and that will immediately undermine her character

(30:14):
and what her character is about. And Alex is gonna
go over. We know this. So yeah, this is a
you know, given the choice of destroying Chane Bezos' career
or seeing her back with Nia Jacks, I think we
all know that we choose back with Nia Jack. So okay.
I think the follow up on Monday is gonna be
absolutely you know, just fascinating to see whether or not
they respond to the fan criticism or just say, f

(30:35):
you fans, We're gonna continue with the hocus Pocus. I'm
very interested to see but okay, well, let's let's continue
on here. Let me get back to Seth Rowlands. Seth
Rowlins this past week was on ding Dong Hello, Bailey's
talk show. WW loves them some talk shows, whether it's
The Ko Show or Jericho's show. Carlito had a show
at one point cutting Edge the Peep Show with Christian

(30:59):
I mean, goes on and on and on. You know,
Alexa Bliss and Nicky Cross out of talk show. They just,
for whatever reason, somebody's in love with the talk show format.
So Bailey has hers and fine, whatever, and we get
guest host or guest appearance by Seth Rollins. Seth Rollins
comes out, Seth Rollins and Bailey laugh together about about

(31:22):
Bianca bell Air and then laugh about Cesarrow getting beat
up and then oh boy, I'm kind of mixed on
this segment myself. But Cizarrow, you hear you hear a
ding dong And someone's at the door and Czarrow's at
the door, Which that's the part I have the biggest
problem with. I actually, is Cesarrow playing along? And how

(31:43):
did he get to the door with nobody seeing? And
why is he playing like house with these two? I
don't know. Instead of his coming to me like a man.
But anyway, Uh so he beats down Czarrow or he
beats down Seth Rollins pretty badly while he destroys Bailey
Set and then we get Uncle Beella coming out to
uh just laugh at Bailey. So what did you think

(32:05):
of this segment?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
All right?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Man, for all the people that are listening, when you
heard a knock on the door, it was.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Anybody like, who is that? Or did everybody know?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I mean that was that was my boy, Like I
heard the knock out. This is out ro Oh you
want to get it?

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yes, I get it. It's your show.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
I love Self Rollins, though, love it. He plays his role.
Self Rollins is the drip god. He's the drip king
boy a. His fashion sense for people don't know drip
that's fashion, that swag you know, that's you know those
type of perfects or now or or whatever.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Not not big on injuries. But anyway, Self Rollins, he's
playing his role. I love it.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
He he's them eyes. I don't know if it's the eyes,
I don't know, if it's how he talks, his dress.
It just fits him. You know, I wouldn't big on
to because you know, all they laughing.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Don't do it for me. I get it. Bailey's doing
a new thing. It's different.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Hey, you know, some people like it, some people don't
like it. I'm not too big on it. I like Bianca,
She's doing good. Right now, I'm getting tired of WW
because they're doing it with both of their women's champions.
Both of the women's champions are playing a similar role
as the rookie, and they have veterans playing on the
bed role. And I'm gonna take advantage of you and

(33:26):
that it's really getting kind of old because you see
it on both shows. So that's my biggest sticker point
with the with the whole situation, with the titles, and.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
With the promo as well. So I give it a
but it's a two and a half stars.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, I think it ultimately did serve the purpose it
was out to, set meaning you you were you were
happy about most people were anyway about Cizar getting some
revenge on Seth. Seth again plays part very well. The
outfits he comes out with everyone we are just absolutely
I mean, that's actually one of the things I look

(34:03):
forward to is to see the most ridiculous thing that
he could wear. Possible, whether it's the I don't loafers
with no shoes, no socks or you know what, leather everything.
I mean, he just doesn't care and it's it's hilarious.
I mean, I'm not knocking him for it. I think
it's a good thing. But yeah, this segment, to me,
it served its purpose, right. I mean you got Bianca

(34:24):
getting some kind of retribution albeit just laughing. You got
Cizarro getting a little bit of revenge on seth rollins,
and it leads to a match presumably at Helen to sell.
Now that you touched on Bianca, though, I would have
to say Bianca if you were going to compare her
side by side with Rhea, I think feels much much

(34:45):
more like a champion than Ria Ripley has been feeling
or how she's been presented than Bianca. I think Bianca
has been has been booked fairly well compared to Ria
Ripley on Raw, who just feels like they don't know
what the heck to do with her. It feels like
Rear Ripley is a heel one minute, a babyface the next,
but kind of in between and they don't know. And

(35:09):
you have Charlotte Flair chasing Ria Ripley, Nikki Cross kind
of the super underdog babyface in the middle of this.
What's your take on the raw side of the women's division.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I'm gonna be all honest with you. I'm pretty sure
I'm a little high on Rear. Ripley's champion then most people.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Because let's rewind back Turre right before wrestle Mania, when
Real they came up to face out, everybody including myself,
was high on it. This was gonna this is the wave,
this is the move. Everybody said, yeah, put the bell
on Real. Were tired of Oscar. She's not doing much
with it. We tied real Ripley.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Granted, they're not booking her like they should because she
went into wrestle Minia heat. You know, she was supposed
to be the heal. Oscar was supposed to be the face,
and then the next day you try to bring back
on Super with Hell Charlotte Flair for them to have
a triple thread. So I just the Oscars to face,
Charlotte's the heel and Reels the tweener. So that puts

(36:10):
her in the bad in a bad situation. You know,
you don't know what the likeer, whether or not the
like I like a person, but that was short term book.
They booked her to be a monster heel. Here comes
the real monster Hell and Charlotte, who's doing a great job.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Now.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
I'm pretty sure a lot of people disagree with me.
I hope Real beat Charlotte at Hell and the Seal.
I hope she retains. I hope they run this out
of the Summer Slam and then Charlotte can.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Take the belt from her.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
But I do feel like Ria has earned the opportunity
to hold the bill and she's doing the bit she
can with it with a superheel Charlotte, who's just playing
her role.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
She is, Charlotte is playing a role. And the thing is,
we all know it's it's inevitable that Charlotte gets the
belt back, probably sooner than later. I think that in
normal circumstances, I would get the belt off Riha quickly
and kind of do some repair on her. And at least,
when I say repair, I don't think she's an unpolished performer.

(37:12):
I just don't think that what they've done with her
has maximized her strengths. Like she's good on the mic, obviously,
we know her in ring ability, she had some kind
of clunker matches with Osca, that she's cleaned that up.
She's gotten better, at least in my eyes on Raw.
I've seen her in NXT, but she did not have
a good match, especially compared to Sasha Banks and Bianca

(37:34):
bell I wrestling it, which is almost unfair to compare.
But I don't think that they've done a nice job
with her character. I don't like the flip flop and
back and forth and not knowing what to do. I
don't I think that that's that creates ambiguity, and it
creates indifference. I don't want to feel indifferent about the
Raw Women's Champion. At the same time, Osca, who was
inexplicably ignored for six months, six months to more or

(37:56):
more six to ten months as Raw Women's Champion, buried
on the the roster, completely ignored, forgotten that she had
a championship. If given the two options, of course I
would choose Rhea to be champion, and yes we did.
We were excited about Ria versus Oska for the Raw
Women's Championship WrestleMania, and I was in support of that,
and now we're seeing that follow up is extremely important. Yes,

(38:20):
you can get a result, but the question then becomes, well,
what do you do with it? How do you follow
up on that? It's not just about how do you
get there, it's once you get there, what do you do?
And it feels like what they've done with her, it
just feels like it's not a solid path for her.
It feels just kind of like she hasn't found her footing.
Maybe that's the best way to put it. Her footing.

(38:42):
It kind of feels uneven and I don't know what
to do with her, and maybe that changes over time,
and maybe they do have a longer term plan for her.
So you're right. With a wrestle Mania victory, I always
like those to stick at least for six months through
Summer Slam. Perhaps they do keep the belt on her,
even against the superhero of Charlotte, and then they move

(39:04):
on to maybe I don't know whatever is beyond Summer Slam.
I didn't even look Nighted Champions or something beyond that.
Maybe they do drop it then, and so perhaps there
is a bigger plan. I just I feel very kind
of just don't know what to feel for Riha. I
like her as a performer. She's got a great look
she's good on the Michael, though they haven't been able

(39:25):
to give her lines or whatever. Being able to show
that hasn't come. It hasn't come through on camera anyway.
And she's really good in the ring. She's got every tool.
I just feel like I haven't seen that full potential yet.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
And I totally agree. But that's a creative problem. You know.
I really think they brought in there to be the moster.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
He and I don't know why nobody thought, Hey, Charlotte's
coming back, She's gonna be on moster hego.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
And I think that's the problem. Honestly, Ria, She's done
what she needed to do is champion, you know, as
a person, you know she he's doing what she can.
You know, I don't. I agree. I don't think they're
booking a whale and they are putting it in a
tweener situation, which is not good for a character.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
And that's the problem. Yeah, and creative has to clean
that up. But I think real Ripley at her still
think she's doing else.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
She can do.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Oh, I agree. Yeah, Well, when I'm when I'm criticizing this,
it's it's not on I'm not criticizing Riea Ripley, who
I think is more than ready to be on the
quote main roster. I think she has all the tools,
as I said, it's just it does it comes down
to this creative that they've given her. For example, when
not this past week, but the week before, when they
were talking about hell in to sell and I'll see

(40:37):
you at Hell, and then uh, I think Rihea comes
out and she says you can go to hell. It's like,
that's so scripted, Like don't it's too cute of a line,
and you know it came from a writer's brain. I
don't like that kind of crap.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
You know, it feels like they're just micromanaging her every
step rather than just giving her a longer lease and say,
you know what, go do your character. Just make sure
you hit this bullet, this bullet, this bullet. We know
you're good in the ring.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Go.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
It just feels so micro. It's a micro managed version
of real Ripley. That's maybe why I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
And I'm just I don't know what to think right now.
So perhaps at Leash gets a little bit looser as
the time goes on, and I hope it does, but
I don't know and yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
And also they making which is another problem. Charlotte Flair
is an established star. I mean we all know that
fourteen time woman Champion, you know, the greatest woman to
ever do it.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
She's the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, yeah, she's the opportunity to love it. The problem
is they're making her look too strong. I mean, monster
heels can't look weak, and they let her give Real
the natural.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Selection when Real should have gave her the rip tide.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
You we can see Real being, you know, she needs
to look dominant.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
It needs to look as if she can beat Charlotte.
You know, she needed a triple thread and Charlotte wasn't
even about the decision. So I feel like they're their
position in real role.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
It could be Yeah, they this past week. Yeah, I
do know the spot you're talking about. And I think
I think that that lack of strength that we're seeing,
at least booking wise, from Maria Ripley does not help.
At the same time, Charlotte Flair is on a comeback
of her own. I mean, we're looking at this in
kind of a vacuum. But Charlotte Flair, by herself since

(42:28):
her return, has been generally on fire. Her promo she
came back with was one of the best I've ever
seen from her. She's changed up her look a little bit.
She's wearing the Cola of the Deville outfit stuff, and
that's fine. All those little things add up though to me,
and her in ring style is still good, very good
to excellent at times. There's no problem there. She's so

(42:49):
she's she's such the alpha female though of the entire
raw women's division. It's it's so obvious because she's, like
you said, an established star. She knows who she is.
Fans know who she is, Fans know what she's capable of,
fans know she's gonna get the belt back eventually. It's
just a matter of how long can we hold it off,
right like the ocean's come and how big of a

(43:11):
sand castle can we make to hold off those waves?
Right like? And eventually you know that you're in a
losing battle from the beginning, like you know you're gonna lose.
But let's see how long we can keep keep the
ocean or Charlotte away in that analogy. But yeah, I
wouldn't mind them booking Ria a little bit stronger. I
have no problem with that. But I just I'd rather

(43:32):
not even stronger. I want character development beyond she's the
kind of the goth, different looking girl, like if people
have not seen Ria Ripley before, and that's the assumption
I'm going with With people that don't watch an XT,
maybe you've heard the name, but you have to assume
that not everyone has seen you, and you have to
go on that assumption. It would be silly to just
go everyone knows who you are. You don't need to

(43:52):
really do a whole lot of development. No, you have
to start really from ground zero. I want to know
about Ria Ripley, Why is she here, what's her background?
Give me some depth. And I think that's really a
common problem throughout the entire WWE product. And look at
bron Stroman for God's sakes, and we'll get to him
a little bit later about his release at least your thoughts.

(44:13):
But with broun Strowman, you talk about a one dimensional character,
a guy that's just angry and destroys stuff. That's it.
That's all we do for his entire career. So I
don't know. I think character development to me red number
one for real, and yeah, they.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Need to work on that.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Aspect of her and I totally agree, but that starts
with book. I mean, I'm just gonna be honest. I
think that that's the number one problem. Yes, they need
to work on a character to development. Now I'm bron
and I know this problem popular feting too. I didn't
have a problem with the spiritual development. I don't think
everybody needs a bet backstore. I don't think every wrestler

(44:52):
needs need to feel, oh you went through this in
your life.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Or oh your favorite colors did.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
I don't need that Stroman as a wreck machine. He's
mad all the time. There's people in life who's just
mad at the time.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
You don't know why. They don't know why. They're just angry.
They spit, they slava, they scream, they yell, they slam,
they pick up heavy stuff.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
That's what they do. That's bron Stroman. He needs no
extra I didn't need an extra character from him. He's
not deep. He don't need to be deep. I think
what you see is what you got, and I think
Real Ripple is kind of in that same predicament. I
know this is an unpopular opinion. You know, some people
need I feel like need a character like Damn in Priest.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
He needs character development.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
You know, I like bad but I like what they did,
but they did no favors for him, And if you've
seen him in NXT, from what you get in today,
those are two totally different iterations of each other.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
And he's he's in trouble.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, that's a good point to Damian Priest. My goodness, yeah,
he's it's a whole really the bad Bunny thing. I mean,
I eat my words about how bad Bunny didn't you know,
I thought he's gonna be an embarrassment at WrestleMania. We
all know he wasn't. I still don't like the storyline,
and especially celebrities constantly going over every time they visit WWE.
They can make everybody in ww look like a fool.

(46:11):
But Bad Money certainly busted his ass, and I give
him all the credit in the world for just absolutely
just jaw dropping performance for the time he was given
and everything else. So absolutely credit to him. But yeah,
Damian Priest is still still you know, talk about it
a fall from grace with him. It's not a not
a good not a good look for him. But all right,

(46:33):
I want to shift gears because otherwise, I mean, we
won't get out of here for you know hours. I
don't want to do that, so big ee. Kevin Owens,
Apollo Cruz and Sammy Zane in their tag team match here.
I first of all, I thought this was a really
good match. I really really enjoyed this. I actually thought,

(46:53):
and this may be an opinion that I most don't
agree with. And how about that, I thought this was
pay per view quality, not that it was a classic.
It was just if they stuck this on a pay
per view, I would have been like, that's totally passable
and respectable and a really good match. But I don't
know how you could expect anything less from four absolute professionals.

(47:15):
And I really loved what they did here. Yes, Kevin
Owens went over, he hit the stunner on Sammy's Ain
and beat Sammy's ain to win the match for his
team with Biggie. And then at the end of the
match we have Apollo Cruise getting his heat back by
saying I didn't win or I didn't lose and it
was because of this idiot Sammy's Ain. And then Sammy

(47:36):
z Ain gets the Nigerian nail also knows a Simo
and Spike, and then we get a announcement that next
week it's going to be Apollo Cruise and Commander Disease
versus Kevin Owens and Big Eie for really the in
ring debut of Commander Disease in the tag team match
next week. So were you high on this match and

(47:58):
what do you think about next week with Commander's.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Great match?

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I mean, it was honestly a good, hard hit match,
you know, but honestly were talking about four wrestlers who
bring it night in and night out. So I was
very high on the match. Sam, it's ain't.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Funny that now Geri and Nell is bad. I love it. Hey,
everybody who keeps saying it's some Owen Spike or talking
about it, it's the Nigerian Nail now where we watched wrestling.
We can change names Nigerian Nell. Hey.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I love how people sell it, Honestly, Kevin Owen selling
it is so funny.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
But the match was great. I think they're pushing Commander
Disease a little earlier. I mean, excuse me, a little earlier.
I do feel like I liked him in his role
as just being the protector, but you know, maybe he's
great in the Rain.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
We'll see soon. I'm looking forward to it. I'm pretty
sure it's gonna be some type of hanky JANKI going on.
It's gonna be a good match.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, it is. And the one thing I'll say too,
if I was gonna put any negative on this anything,
I mean, it's hard because I love all four of
these guys in the ring. I think there I could
watch like a fatal four way ladder match with these
four and it would be I think an instant classic.
Given the work rate of these for men, the experience
between these four men, I would love it. Any combination

(49:22):
of these four is great. So we'll see with the
Commander Disease what he brings to the ring next week,
which I would assume is nowhere near the style of
these four men given his size and limitations. But it's
still fine. And not everyone needs to look the same
in their style in the ring, which I think is
another bit of a problem in WW that everyone kind
of feels the same. Everyone's got the same moves other

(49:42):
than their finish. Anyway, the one thing I was gonna
say is Big E. We understand that obviously he's not
gonna get revenge on Alistair Black for getting Black Mass
a couple weeks ago when we know that. But can
he please just please stop referencing New Day? Can he
just at least he changes colors a little? Can he
stop doing the New Day clap in the middle of

(50:04):
his match? Is it just muscle memory? Is it just
out of habit that he's doing these things. I don't
think it's doing any any favors for him, because he's
supposed to be on his own, having his own run.
I know he's not in a high profile match right now.
I know that they probably have plans for him down
the line, probably next in line to challenge maybe maybe

(50:24):
maybe challenge Roman Reigns, although maybe they wait later down
the line for that. We'll see. But he is certainly
a future contender for Roman Rains for the Universal Championship.
But I need him if he's gonna get there. Stop
connecting yourself to the New Day. You're not in the
New Day anymore. You are on a separate brand. Drop
the colors, drop the New Day clap, drop the act.

(50:47):
Just he doesn't have to be a totally new character.
Just distance yourself from it, man, Otherwise you're just going
to be still looked at as the guy that's part
of the New Day. So that's the one thing I'll
say I get.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
I guess you didn't know New Day rocks that's the clap.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
I couldn't get it in my head. I you know
that's what it was. Thanks, That's.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
But I totally agree Biggie.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
He does needs to just himself from the from the
the New Day. And I'm not saying he needs to
be mean or the new Bronze Strowman, right, but he
I agree he does need to get away from New
Day colors. And I don't know Biggie personally. You know,
I'm not big on interviews, but.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
I don't know if he likes his iteration, if he
wants to change his iteration, or if this is WW saying, hey,
you need to stay in his iteration.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
What do you think is the combination of why he's
still in his New Day persona even though he's on
a separate brank and even though he's changed his music.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I think a lot of it is creative. I don't
he hears the criticism is loud and clear. He's shown
signs of him able to be serious. I mean, he
kind of really serious promo against Apollo Cruz a month
or two ago. I think it might have even been
before the WrestleMania match. I can't remember because they've been
fighting each other for so long now, but he's shown

(52:15):
glimmers of hope that he can be something other than
just this wacky pancake throwing gyrating big man. That's a
great in the ring. I mean, so it's there, But
I think I think it's mostly creative. We don't know. Obviously,
we would just be sitting here speculating because we have
no idea. We're not involved in the production meetings, we're
not in his head, we have no idea the conversations

(52:37):
he's having with Vince or creative. But if I was
to just kind of ponder a guess, I would say
that it's mostly creative because when they have something they
don't know what to do with, they go back to
what brought them to the dance. They go back to
what they are comfortable in, their comfortability zone. Even though
it's a kiss of death, they go back to what

(52:57):
they know works, and it's the Biggie he's doing the clap. Yeah,
it's just the it's kind of a placeholder because they
don't know what they want that Biggie character to be.
I don't know if Biggie does, but it's so hard
to say because it's all speculative. Again, I would put
most of it on creative, but who knows. Either way,

(53:22):
he is a future contender for the Universal Championship. I
think we can both agree on that.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
And we can and I don't want all the fans
to take a sickon right now, let's take Biggie now.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
I know it's like a back seat drive everybody.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Everybody see he's better if they're not in the room.
I'm being honest, I don't know if I know what
to do with Biggie and what his iteration and his
character should become. I think that's that is a hard question.
What would you have his iteration? Because honestly, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I don't know. He can't be the strong, angry guy.
You know, he's going to keep his preacher talk in
his laugh and z ain in this. I mean.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
If he steals Ainy and doesn't and doesn't acknowledge New Day,
that's not helping him either because he's steal a new Day, right,
So I think you know, what would you do?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Because I wouldn't know what to do with Well.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
What I would do is I would take baby steps,
really small baby steps. In other words, what I would
do is, you know, keep keep his music the same.
I mean, at least he's not coming out to the
New Day music. At least I don't think he did
this week. He actually has his own established singles music.
First thing I would do, though, is strip him of
colors the day colors, like, pick a color. It doesn't

(54:39):
have to be black, like, we don't have to go
with the serious black, you know, tone. It could be
I don't know, dark blue right like, but don't do
the rainbow references. I know it's Pride month, but I
don't need rainbow references for really tying back to the
New Day. That's what's one thing. But you know, if

(54:59):
it was nothing else, maybe just you know, for a
few weeks, changes changes a tire a little bit, and
then maybe changes in ring style. It's not not to
where it's completely different, but just had the announcers drive home.
Oh this biggie's never done that before. He's got a
different look in his eye. Just kind of just plant

(55:20):
seeds here and there for little stuff, little stuff, little stuff.
Now do I know what that ultimate end game is
what do I see with Biggie. That's a tough question.
Like you said, I don't know, But what I would
know is I would get the answer possibly along the
way by adjusting these things on camera, and sometimes on

(55:40):
camera will give you answers to that next step. I
think that's the way I would do it.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
I like that. The only thing I do is turn
them heel. But it seems like when they say somebody's
care to, they turn them heel and it works.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
We got we gotta heal shortage. So that's a good idea. Yes,
oh gosh, but it's credit to all four man. This
This was a really like I was Bell to Bell
involved in this match and I was thinking to myself,
am I just like why am I so into this match?
And typically it's just it's just another tag team match. No,
this was really good. I loved the chemistry between these four.

(56:20):
Commander Disease, you know again, we'll see what we got here.
I actually want to see Kevin Owens hit him with
a stunner. I want to see Commander Disease get his
and that is the that's the success measurement of a
storyline that's working. Like I want to see Commander Disease
get his ass kicked. And that's the good thing. So

(56:42):
we'll have to see. And you talk about a revived
career with Apollo Cruise. Man, oh man, that guy has
completely shifted his career by just adding an accent and
bringing up his Nigerian heritage. It's unbelievable and I'm really
happy for him.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
And it's crazy. The flag he got the first week
he did it. Now now it's it's full circling. It's great, right,
you know, I loved it from day one. Honestly, it's great.
His his accent is spot on. He he it's so funny.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
He plays his role.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
I love I know I say that a lot, but
he plays his role.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
He does what he's supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
You know, Command Disease does his thing on one thing
that we can we stop a podcast? People, can we
stopped saying Command Disease akadvocato he changed his name.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
We're moving on.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
But yeah, he plays his role.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Great quick question. I don't like the stunner on Kevin
over you.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Well, here's the thing, I mean, stone cold. We all
know obviously he was adopted from Austin. I'm I'm fine
with it because he can. He can hit it on anybody, right,
Like you want to finish that you can hit anybody.
He can't hit Commander his ease with a pop up
power bomber. Some bigger guys would be much more difficult
to hit your finish on. So I'm fine with it.

(58:07):
From that perspective, I understand that Austin was the just
it was his baby and it was it is the
most recognized finish of all time in professional wrestling, and
he had he got the blessing from Austin. I mean,
he has said that he got you know, he called
stone Cold and had a conversation about it, and I
think stone Cold told him, like, if you're gonna do it, kid,

(58:29):
do it right. And you know it doesn't look like
stone Cold. You know, he's not doing it exactly the
way Austin did it. But he's not stone Cold. You're
never gonna get it exact I mean, only Austin can
do Austin. I'm fine with it. You know, I know
that you're not a fan of it, But for a
babyface character of Owen's, you talk about the ultimate babyface

(58:51):
move of hitting a stunner. I mean, look what he
got the pop he got from hitting Logan Paul at
WrestleMania with the stunner was one of the biggest pops
of the night. You know, maybe if he goes back heel,
he gets rid of the stunner and goes back to
the pop up power bomb, you know, because the stunner
is so over as a baby face move. But I

(59:11):
I'm okay with it. I think the only time I
didn't have or I did have a problem with the
stunner being used was when John Cena was doing it
at like the springboard stunner that he just could not do.
He was he was so robotic with it. It was
it was just bad and he eventually dropped it. But
I'm okay with it.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
I don't think I don't think he does move justice
and I don't be honest.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
You know, every move has been done by somebody, so
I'm I get it.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
You know, moves a bar move, you know, you of
course the bar, but.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
I feel like some moves Steph Roland's in the pedigree,
Kevin Owens in a stunner. You know, I feel like
some moves some wrestlers just make that move so famous
it's like, hey, you know, I can't.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Really, I shouldn't do that, even though they do, and
even though they get a mission, you know, versus the
figure four, which that's a heel book you know, heels
love that move. It works, but the stun of the
pedigree those is made ultra famous. The next people going
to do the rock bottom aka to Bookie, you know.

(01:00:19):
And I just think some moves should be you know,
how they retire our numbers, they retired of boots.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
I think there is an argument to be made to
take moves that are so iconic and leave them with
the icons that made them famous, like the superkick, right,
like Shawn Michael's sweet Chin music what and sadly that
is one of the most used moves as a transitional
move in WWE. It's a travesty how often Shawn Michael's

(01:00:51):
finish is used. And I understand Dolph Ziggler has adopted
it kind of in a kind of a wink and
nod to the fact that people have called him the
next Shawn Michael. So he's like, well, I might as
well just be all, might as well be HBK. So
he's at least adopted it as a finish, but everyone
else uses it as a transition or a near fall,
when in reality, if someone hits you with that move,

(01:01:11):
I mean you talk about a knockout shot under your chin,
someone kicking you under your I mean it's a knockout shot,
and it should be a finish. But yes, should some finishes. Possibly,
is it an argument to be made to protect them
the stunner, the rock bottom, the pedigree, the tombstone, And
yes there is an argument to be made. But I
think that creative has said, well, guys, it's a really overmove,

(01:01:36):
the most popular babyface move of all time. It would
help out Kevin Owens in this instance, it's been you
know how many years since Austin's last match, like eighteen
years since Austin's last match in three why not bring
it back, allow him to recycle the move and you know,
hopefully build some some fan support. I think that's their thing.

(01:02:00):
Would I have done it, I actually wouldn't have. I
actually would have said, no, come up with your own finish,
because that's Austin's So I don't. Now that I've seen it,
and I've seen it long enough, I don't hate it,
but I understand why they do it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yeah, I get it, But like I said, it's some
moves that I kind of what we're going to do
when people start doing the tunes, oh god.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
And then when people are not doing it to the
level of success or to the level of view and
power that the original person had, like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
EDP did the color before Randower. We know that, but
the way Rando Witan does that r KO can come from.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Anywhere, anytime, drop you right here where you stay. I
never want to see somebody outside of Riddle because it's
cool they work together. I never want to see somebody
do the r KO as their permanent finish.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
It just shouldn't have you know that move is too old, and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Don't pig it back off of a leg and success
with a move and say hey I need to get old,
but this will give me over.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
I think it's lazy, that's lazy booking.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
It's and yeah, no, I hear you again. I'm not
a huge supporter of this, but I just understand why
they did it again. I will stand by it. Would
I have done this, No, I would have told Kevin,
you know, stick up with your pop up power bomb
or come up with something else. And I'd also like
Big Eie to get rid of the big ending, because
that's one of the I mean, I'm sorry. I mean, look,

(01:03:38):
I'm a big I love Biggie in the ring. He's
so good and on the mic he's all you know,
he's a cartoon character and we talked about him. But
do you agree that Biggie should come up with a
different finish or mind the minority here?

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Oh no, no, no, that that finish it I'll tell
you it is. I bit it's comfortable for the person taking.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Oh they probably love it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Yeah, yes, yes, you hit me with it. And if
honestly Biggie, I wouldn't want him to jump through that
rope and knock me off the side the range on
the floor that looks like like that you can't take it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
I hope my breath every time he does that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yeah, yes, yes, that's a con cushion weight man. But nevertheless, yeah,
the big ending, it sucks in comparison to how big
he needs a big finish and that is not a
big ending.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
It's really ironic or or kind of a twist of
fate pun intended that it's it was such a strong
guy that can bench. I mean he can. I think
he's got he's held like the bench record among the
boys in the back, and I forget how much he
can bench, like five seventy five or some insane amount
of weight that he can bench.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
He's the strongest guy on the roster, and yet he
does the finish that anyone can do. I mean, the
women can do it. You know, I could do it.
It's such a I don't know, it's it's so weak
looking and it's just a flapjack. But he's also protecting
the guy going down. And it's obvious he's protecting the
guy going down. It's bad. I mean, Biggie needs to

(01:05:04):
just that. Maybe that's one of the small tweaks I
was talking about, change your finish. I know that's easier
so than done. But come up with something, you know,
come up with something that maybe no one's using right now.
I don't want to recycled one, but I don't know.
Maybe that's one of those things. So okay, let them
do the rock bottom No and no, no, oh god?

(01:05:27):
All right, Well you did touch a little bit on rndy,
Yorton and Riddle. Are you enjoying them together as our
k bro?

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
I love it and the reason why I love it
it's perfect me and you, which I'm assuming from what
I've been hearing, you love it too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
We love it for two total different reads. You can't
stand Riddle, I can't stand Ring and we both love
the same thing from each other's persons unperceived, like like
you like the ring Doordan portion of it. I like
the real portion of it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
The key thing is funny to me, It's hilarious. I
did kind of see a little shake in the ark bro,
you know, like, and he threw the key in the
trash and you know when he came out there and
Riddle did play with Kobe, and I'm upset the reddle loss.
I really feel like they should have put the loss
on Kofe.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
So the stuff the mvtop told him kind of could
have suck in a little deeper possibly, But I loved it.
I was up here root for me. Did the DDT.
I'm like, yes, man, it like finishing. He like, nah, no,
I ain't ready it And he tried to do the
rain it just didn't work. I like it though. I
like they com rader together. I think it's a good match.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
It was, and I actually thought they were going to
win the tag team Battle Row. I don't know why
I was sucked into believing that. I thought for sure,
you know, that they were going to win, and uh,
they're the only ones I got entrances on the show.
I mean everyone else was already in the ring. And
you're like, oh, well, they're clearly going to give the
victory to the people that actually cared about giving an
entrance to so they didn't. And then uh he lost

(01:07:00):
later in the night. Was it Randy that lost later
in the night as well? RANDALLD? Yeah, so uh you
got two losses under the belts and you're thinking to yourself,
oh god, this is Randy's gonna lose it, and he's
gonna RK riddle rkl riddle. And uh they didn't. Nothing
happened except Randy just gave took the key from from
Riddle's mouth and put it in his pocket and walked away,

(01:07:23):
or he threw the key or something, I forget what
he did, threw the tray and uh, so it you know,
we're all waiting for the shoe to drop, meaning we're
all waiting for that r KO to be hit on Riddle,
and I don't want it to happen for as long
as possible. I think that they've caught lightning in a
bottle here. I think it's one of those stories that

(01:07:45):
w W E didn't anticipate the chemistry being as good
as it has been when they turned that red light on,
and it has been really good. And you're right, you
like it for the exact opposite. Well, you like it
actually for the same reason, just opposite people. And I
just I love when they're together. They just they feed
off each other so well. And it's the ying to

(01:08:07):
the yang. And Randy doesn't say a whole lot. You
can tell he's annoyed by Riddle, kind of that younger brother,
you better shut your mouth and give me the key.
And like the body language of Randy Orton is spot on,
the complete opposite of Riddle being this flamboyant, kind of
over the top, talkative, talking, nonsense, bombastic character. It's a

(01:08:31):
great combination. So do you think that they're going to
string this out for a while or do you actually
think that somebody's gonna turn on somebody sooner than later.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Well, if we're looking at the tag team the division
right now with a few amount of teams that they have,
if we notice the battle or what, it's four complete
teams and two people who both pardons was injured. So
just from that fact, I think they'll try to let
them stay together for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
I love it. I love a camaraderie. Now do they
win the championship is the question? Because they are They
did push the back and raiding for Raiders, which I like.
You know, they look good together. I love the big
guy or Avar, he'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Moving, he be moving. They have great comrader together, great
tag team. I do think they deserve to push. I
love to see Almost, I guess coming and destroy them again.
But I think that's our question. Everybody wants to see
OK bro versus AJ and Almost, But can they do

(01:09:34):
anything with Big Altars or are they gonna keep him
the dominant for us that wipes out everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
That's that's the question. And I don't know the answer
to that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Well, I I you're you're right. I don't think there's
any dispute that that's the matchup that we're waiting to see.
Because AJ and Almost are booked as the Hill team.
Randy Orton has kind of by the by default turned
babyface with without changing anything in his character, which I
like with Riddle, those are so entertaining as a team.

(01:10:05):
So eventually those two teams are going to collide for
the Raw Tag Team Championships. I don't think there's any doubt.
I understand the Viking Raiders have won and they're gonna
get an opportunity. I think they're gonna lose, even though
I like the focus on them. It's it's nice to
see them in the ring doing what they do. They
are they look and feel like a real tag team.
They're probably the most tag team ish of all the

(01:10:27):
tag teams true tag teams un Raw, not just two
solo guys that got stuck together, but rather two guys
that came up. They have matching outfits, they have, you know,
chemistry all a whole nine yards. But that said, they're
going to probably lose to AJ and almost I don't
think there's any I don't think there's any question there.

(01:10:47):
I could be wrong, but eventually it's going to be Matt,
Riddle and Orton I think carrying those championships. I actually
think they will win them. AJ may go off on
his own, which I know people have been asking for,
and I think that eventually wants Riddle and Orton drop
the belts. Maybe that's when you see a turn is
when they you know, one of them, you know, loses

(01:11:07):
the match, they lose the belts, and then the other
one turns, and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
I can see that. I think that that is probably
more than like what happens obviously with the turn that
losing the bell blaming the other partner. Yeah, that's totally different.
Be But my question will be, you know, when AJ
and almost when they when they drop the bills, what's next,
my unclest, are they going to try to do to

(01:11:32):
Kevin Nash and John Michaels and push them to the
moon or is this gonna be a j.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
I think this is where you would wait for the
crowd to come back, because I would wait for the
audience to hear what they have to say about this team.
You know, And really you could say that for everything
going on in wrestling as a whole, for the entire
w w uh. You know, you could say, let's before
we make our decision, guys, let's go back on the road.

(01:11:59):
Let's get sample of what the fans are are thinking
and feeling with this. Instead of just being able to
just do what you want, it doesn't matter because we
control the narrative, We control the crowd noise that's going
away in a month, Thank the good Lord, because I
can't wait to hear real people and not just you know,
manufactured noise that they get to cr be. God control

(01:12:19):
what we are quote saying about the product. So that
would to me be a wait and see approach. I
really would wait and see because I don't want almost
going out there being lost on his own. I like
his chemistry with AJ. You know, perhaps they stick together,
but if they don't. Right now, he is kind of
the Kevin Nash of of WWE very limited move said,

(01:12:40):
but he's a massive dude. I can't expect it. I mean, like,
I'm not knocking him on it. Of course he's going
to have a limited move said the guys you talk
about a presence, though, the guy has such a presence.
I mean he's a guy I would never ever want
to be walking alone on a road and and you know,
come encounter with him. He is so intimidating and I

(01:13:02):
love his look. I think he's got a good future.
Do I think it's eventually gonna end of the World Championship?
Probably not? Probably not, you know, I just I don't know.
It depends how good he is in the ring and
eventually what he does solo on the MIC. But I
don't think Almost is ready to go solo, So let
me just say that, I don't think he's anywhere near
ready yet. So maybe he does stick with AJ until

(01:13:23):
they feel he's ready, and then they split.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
And I agree him. I don't Agent. I mean, excuse me. Almost.
He he's a big guy and he moves like a
big guy, and I give him this. He looks as
flawless as I think possible, especially somebody is new with him.
I mean, he looks good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Obviously he's gonna have a limited moves set and AJ styles.
Obviously his career is not gonna last five more years.
I see AJ styles in the future, becoming in the
MVP role.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I think he's gonna make a great manager. I can't
wait to SEJ do that. He's great on the mic.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
AJ he's penop, honest man, and I think he is
somebody that w B is not valuing. Like they shoot,
they put the tag belts on them. And as I
said in the mail bag, it's not really good for him.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
It's good for Almost, it's real good for him, But
for AJ, I mean it's good for him too. You know,
it gets some another tag team titles. He's got a built,
but I mean he takes a lot of punishment, especially
his age, you know, and he's got to be the
guy always hot tagging.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
But you know, his tag team is set up like that,
and I get that as well. I just hate it
for him. Hopefully it gets one more running in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
But hey, I see him in the future great manager that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
A manager that can also take bumps like MVP. I mean,
he would take great, great pumps when he needs to
and be a heel mouthpiece.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
I mean he could play both. I mean, he's been
a heel for a while, so maybe he could be
a baby face manager. I think that's still a couple
of years away. I think AJ probably has one to
two years left and then he's gonna hang up the boots,
that's my guess. But it's nice that he's in a
tag team for this reason, that he can share the bumps,
so to speak. I know that almost isn't going to take,

(01:15:09):
you know, or do like a Spanish fly off the top,
but I'm just saying that he has somebody to share
the bumps with. When you're in a tag team match,
it saves mileage on his body that already has a
ton of mileage on it. It helps bring up new stars.
That's what you want to do with this age in
his stage in his career end age is to help
others get elevated. I mean he's in the give back

(01:15:32):
portion of his career. I think we have stepped into that.
We have stepped into the part where it's not really
going to be about AJ. Maybe one more time, as
you said, he might get one more run, But to me,
he's in the give backstage of helping build that next
big star or stars. He could be the head of
a faction, but really it's about bringing up and elevating

(01:15:54):
new talent. So yeah, he could have one more run
with the belt, but I think if that happens, that'll
be it, and then he'll go into an agent and
or managerial role in the next one probably two years.
I would say two years it would be the most.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
And I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
But the only problem, man and we can use is
Brandy and Riddle or or comparison, AJ at his age
is in the wrong tag.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
He takes literally all the bumps. I haven't seen almost
take a bump.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Brandy is on the other side of that where Riddle
tastes most of the bumps and he comes in and
do the rand or time. That's the only thing I
hate for AJ. He takes all the punches. I mean,
I almost get the name killed everybody. Almost hadn't touched
the match. It's back, hadn't hit the man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Yeah, you're right. I mean he's helping build a star.
But the number of bumps he's taking is almost equivalent
to doing a singles match anyway with almost because Almost
is such a huge dude. He's only going to come
in and just dominate. I mean almost. Has anyone even
taken him off his feet yet? Has anyone even?

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
No? No, right, Oh, he's not touched the mat at all.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Oh boy, I hope he knows the flatback bump. I
mean the fact that he hasn't taken a up It
makes sense though, Like I'm cool with it, because he should.
If they envision him being a megastar down the line,
when someone does come along and takes them off his feet,
you can say that's the first time ever. They love them,
some historic first time ever moments. They could add that

(01:17:25):
to almost his resume of whoever takes him down and
imagine once they build him him staring down brock Lesner.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
I mean, I'm just you know, I'm kind of spitballing here.
But almost does have the potential to eventually be that
kind of attraction star rather than the you know, he'll
never be known as a workhorse, right, Like, he's never
going to be a guy that you look at and go,
oh man, I love his in ring style. He just
brings me into the match. He's an attraction. His size

(01:17:54):
is an attraction, and that's not a bad thing. You
can draw money as an attraction. But he's never going
to be known as, you know, a technician. It's just
not going to happen. So all right, Uh well, any
final thoughts before I move on?

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Oh no, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Uh Live Morgan Carmela. Live Morgan gets the victory this
week against Carmela and another fifty to fifty booking scenario.
I know it's only been two weeks, but last week
Live Morgan lost to Carmela. This week she beats Carmela.
I don't really know what to think. I love what

(01:18:33):
they're you know, if this leads to something with Live great,
I want them to elevate new talent, especially if Morgan,
who has been basically hidden in a tag team unfortunately
with Ruby Riot, and if anyone noticed this week, maybe
you did. You're it seems like you're detail oriented. With
her band on her leg it said, I think it

(01:18:55):
said it's something in reference to Ruby but it said
like ru b or are you something? I think it
was in reference to Ruby Riot, but live Morgan gets
the victory. Do you think this is leading to anything?
Number one? And number two? Did you notice that on
her leg?

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Uh? I think I honestly, no, I didn't notice it.
Bill Morgan. Don't do it for me at all the app.
I don't want to come off controversial at all, but.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
She don't do it for me. She was better off
in the tag team. I don't rather you kept Ruby
Riot if you asked me so. Spoiler alert for the
later conversation. But no, I don't particularly care for Ruby Riot.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Got Miller playing her role. You know I ain't with all.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
The dances she does, but you know she's playing her role.
I ain't got no follow the pail, Lil Morgan. I'm
not here for that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Yeah, no, I hear you. At the same time, have
we even this is this is called lack of character development. Again,
we've gotten nothing, nothing from Creative about Live Morgan and
Ruby right right when she was there, I think Ruby,
you would look at and go, was the bigger star.
I mean she looked different. I think she was a
little bit better on the Ringland Live was. It seemed

(01:20:14):
like she had momentum going at times, and then they'd
cut it off and they'd stop. Live Morgan was I
think playing second fiddle. But she's the one that stayed.
We don't know why, and we don't know anything about her.
She's the generic blonde that has green glitter under her eyes.
I mean, there's that's it. Like she's just another blonde.

(01:20:36):
They don't give her a voice. So without a voice,
how do I know who you are? Or why would
I care if you win a match? Right? So, I
don't know what to feel about this. I really don't.
I don't know what this means for her career. I
would assume she's a babyface here with Carmela. I've said
this before if you heard my show. I don't like

(01:20:57):
the over sexualization of Carmela or really when they do
this with women at all. And again I'm not I'm
not this like pro feminist like, and there's nothing to
do with politics. I just I'm watching wrestling to watch wrestling,
and any time they focus on the sexuality of the character,
it tells me they have nothing, you know, deep to

(01:21:17):
really tell you about her other than just cool. Let
me do a silhouette of a stripper dance right, and
then come out and talk about how beautiful I am.
I get it's a heal move, but I don't that
shouldn't be the foundation for your character is I'm beautiful
and look at my body like I don't know. I
think it's just such a regression of what the women

(01:21:37):
have tried to move away from, and Carmelo is now
re embracing it. So maybe she should carry the de
ofa championship next week.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
I don't know, they can bring it back just for her.
My tone they agree because and from a different perspective,
I'm a parent. My daughter likes to watch the wrestler,
and so I can't let her watch that. You know
that that that's horrible, and you know women's wrestling has
came way for the dad. I mean, that's that's mad.

(01:22:05):
It's great crap.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
But hey, you know, have any mag what do you
want to do so, but I'm not here for that
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Uh No, I And I'm sure there's some some guys
out there, may probably younger, much younger, that are going,
oh this is this is so cool, like how hot
she is? I'm like, that is I don't know, like
I do if I want to see, you know, hot
women and I'm married man, and I'm not you know,
I'm not saying that, Oh my god, I'm drooling over this.
But look, if you're looking for that kind of thing,

(01:22:39):
I'll just be very vague and say wrestling ain't the
place to go to look for that. Okay, wrestling should
be a place for wrestling and that that period and
the subject. I don't need any of that sexualization coming
into wrestling. I don't think it adds anything, and I
actually think it takes away, so all right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
It takes it takes away a lot. And that's that's
like that evolution crap. You know, I'm not here.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
For I will say though, And I was actually gonna
ask you about that next evolution. It started out super
sexual and I criticized the hell out of it. And
she's on a car showing off her body. Oh my look,
how look how good my body looks essentially saying that
without saying it, but then it kind of morphed into it,
maybe per the backlash from fans, morphed into like, uh,

(01:23:23):
more of her training, more of her I guess she's
a personal trainer, more of in ring, her training in
the ring. It actually did morph a little bit more
into just look how nice my body is to I
put the work in, and I'm going to show you
what I've got when I come back on Monday. So
I hear you. And there is still an element of

(01:23:46):
sexuality with with Eva Eva Eva Marie evolution, but at
least they've kind of drove the narrative to like sports
based and wrestling based, so there is that a little
bit better.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
He started off how union. I mean when you start off,
especially if you bring back a wrestler or a new
wrestler person person every time, and my first impersion of
that is crap. Yeah, they tried to clean it up,
and I agree they probably did get a lot of
backlash and they tried to clean it up, but I
already got a bad taste of my mouth forward. I'm prettish.

(01:24:23):
Just some people are looking forward to it that meat.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Yeah, no, I'm not excited like I actually did I
Monday Night Raw. When I think about it, Raw this Monday.
I'm not going Evolution. I don't think anybody in this
world is going. I can't wait for the Evolution debut.
I really don't. Yeah, I'm the one thing is that
will led depth to the women's roster and and it
does need that. So okay, Uh Chad Gable montes Ford. Uh,

(01:24:49):
Chad Gable and montes Ford I think put on a
hell of a match on Smackdowy. I really really enjoyed
this match too. SmackDown is just just so much better.
I mean, they had a great tag team match. So
we just discussed and Ford versus Gable. I could watch
these two. I mean in any sixty minute Iron Man match.
I would love these They're so good together. Their styles

(01:25:09):
are very similar. Ford is insanely athletic. You talk about
a great amateur background with Gable. Of course we know
his Olympic accomplishments and things. But I loved this match.
And beyond that, Otis with a shaved face, comes out
and destroys I mean two uncomfortable levels. Montes Ford Dawkins

(01:25:34):
tries to come back out and help, but Dawkins gets
laid out again and is this a rebirth of Otis?
That's question one and two. Did you enjoy the match
between Ford and Gable.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Before I get started talking about baby Face? Oldest question,
did you see the boch Phoenix of the match.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Which the botch finish? Oh? Yes, wow, Oh the botch
finish where he hit from the heavens.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
From the heavens and Oldest didn't make it intense.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
And he had to kick out because he dissed it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Yeah. Yeah, he's seen the ref like she took her time.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
To try to buy time for him. Yeah, that's right,
thank you for pointing that out.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Yes, but I did like the match. It was a
good match. Monte Is Ford is a future star, I mean,
and I hate to say, Angela Angela Docum is gonna
be the Martin the need it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
But I'm telling you monte Is Ford shike. He looks great.
That's from the heavens. It's literally from the freaking heavens.
And I love when he twisted. He didn't twist it
this week, but I like me he does. Like that
little half circle in the air for each I mean, great, Now, Oldest,
I gonna be honest. Maybe it's just me with some

(01:26:50):
heels work.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Better with with facial hair.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
And I think him shaving his facial and made him
look a lot more solved.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
I mean, I'm gonna be honest, he was angry. I'm
not taking it serious because I'm looking at the beard.
So for me, he did he was doing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Damnage I give him, and he did damage. He I
love the oldest flash off the top.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
It's great. The beard. It was just a perspection.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
And I'm looking at a picture of him now and
with the shape face, and I gotta say, yeah, he
looks he doesn't look bad. I'll just say he does.
He looks like he's an overgrown sixteen year old boy.
He has a very young kind of look to him
without the beard. And uh, well, we'll have to see

(01:27:42):
if that does, if we get used to it, or
if it's as bad as like bald Shawn Michaels at
the uh you know, the Saudi Rabio event. I mean, like,
if it's as distracting as that, I mean, so and
that is just you talk about like one of the
worst moments in Shawn's I mean, fron so many levels
with that match that could be a whole nother show.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
But what's the words ball Sean Michael Caine, I.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Forgot about that. Yeah, Kane's mask fella, Oh my, that's right,
you had to grasp for it. Oh gosh. I think
they talked about it later about how terrible. I think
it was a triple h who h was on Austin's podcast,
I forget somebody was just Undertaker. I think it was Undertaker,
who was on the Broken Skull sessions talking about that match,

(01:28:31):
thinking that, well, you know, four guys, we worked so
well together. We you know, we're four professionals, you know,
so be a walk in the park. And it was
one of just the worst matches you'll ever see on
so many levels. It wasn't Goldberg Taker bad, but it was.
It was tough to watch, especially given the absolute legends
that all four of those guys are. So anyway, I

(01:28:53):
don't know what to think about his facial hair. I'll
give it a couple of weeks and see if I
look at him and just laugh, or if I look
at him and go, Okay, I'm getting used to this.
I don't know yet. I'll have to hear him talk.
I want to see him on the mic.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Well, I heard him on the mic on talking's back,
and it doesn't get better. It doesn't get him. They
got him looking up at the ceiling, and I get
he's part of the After Academy, and I get. I
guess a table's supposed to be like this straight guy,
you know, clean phase. Hey, that don't work for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
And I know they want to do some different Otis,
but I don't think that's the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Yeah, we'll see I at least appreciate this. I appreciate
them trying to change things up or Otis whoever. Just
I would assume it was his own personal decision to
shave his beard. I don't know. So even if it
doesn't work, I give him credit, or them, or whoever's responsible,
maybe both, for at least trying to change things up
a little. Like people love evolution of characters, even if

(01:29:53):
it's the small things. So I appreciate the effort on it,
even if it does turn out to be a flop
and he has to wait, you know, eight to twelve
months to grow his beard back.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
It's like bron when he saved his head. It just
it just never worked for me at least.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Oh did I actually liked it. You didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Yeah, whoa the mohawk, that's that's Bronx, the bow head
Bronstone with the bed. It just didn't work for well.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Bron Stroman actually shaved his beard too. I don't know
if you've seen that Instagram picture.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Fitting und oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Yeah, so go search for that. Bron Stroman did shave
his beer. Yep, no, yes, it's gone. So check that out. Yeah,
not not like a you know, a smooth cut he's got.
You know, it's it's a it's just much much much shorter.
It looks like he's grown it for like a month
rather than you know, ten years. So yeah, check it out.

(01:30:44):
All right. This may be the only real low point
of SmackDown that's been going on. As I kind of
close out SmackDown here, Shinz, Kana Kamura and Kid Corbin
to me, like, I love Rick Boogs. I think he's infectious.
I think he's got something him coming. The guitar and
and all that kind of stuff with Shinsky is fine
to me. I really don't have a problem with it.

(01:31:07):
It also is making shins Key somewhat interesting, even though
you know he's he's been kind of demoralized over the
last several years in w WE, not getting ah lot
of opportunity outside of like a Roman Reigns tease a
couple of months ago, and now he's just relegated to
stealing people's personal property and caring about wearing like basically

(01:31:28):
a Burger King crown and caring that Baron Corban cares
about it because he believes he's a real king. I
I don't I don't know that this is This is
not a high point on SmackDown for me? Is it
the worst thing I've seen? Is it Katie vic bad?

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
But this it's just compared to everything else, everything else
on SmackDown, This is just not good. Maybe you have
a different take. What's your take?

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Oh, that's surprisingly I do. I'm own it. I really
like it. This is no way comparable to Rickish. He's
still in shaming. Yeah yeah, but I do like this.
Chin's k is the king of strong style. I love
how he took the crown, went on Instagram started shooting
picks in the crown, making this a sticking point.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
I love Rick Booge.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
That man can play good guy on my des He
comes out cas a wrestling fan.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
That's popping, I'm dancing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
I love Pat McAfee. Side note, Pat McAfee is great.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Is he that guy right there?

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
The way he's always on, he's on top of the table,
he's dancing, he's standing up during matches because he's so excited.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
I love it. But back on point, I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
I like their their little rivalry that got going. Chins
K is great in the rain. I'm how King Corbin
and a lot of people. I love the deep stick.
I think that ought to be his finished It's it's
a very impactful move. Maybe a big ee can ball back.
But King Corbin versus shins K, I love it. I
think the battle for the crown should have been a
hell and the sale, to be honest, but I'm here

(01:33:04):
for that. I think it's the good rivalry. They both
have a point. It'd be nice for King Corbyn to
drop the King Moniker. But once again, where do you
go from there? We're going back to Baron Corbyn. You're
going to drop bean and just be Corbin like they
do with everything else. I mean, he's King Corbin.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
He could be the lone wolf. I mean, yeah, it's
the lone wolf. Yeah, I mean he's going for you
the lone Wolf to uh, the King Corbyn. King Corbin
is a nice name. It flows King Corbin's it's easy
to say. It's catchy. I get it, and it looks like, yeah,
I know, I just King Corbin. I actually think a

(01:33:44):
lot of people underestimate how good Corbin is on the MIC.
I think because he's just been kind of a bland
heel for a while that can ever catch legitimate heat.
They very rarely allow this character to get any kind
of sustained he I mean, they can't go more than
a week without having Corbin get egg on his face

(01:34:05):
as a heel, and that's that's not a good way
to build a heel. You want a heal to build
and build and build and have a baby face come
out and stand up to the heel and finally give
that heel what he's got coming to him. And they
cannot do tho with Corbyn. He's constantly made to look
like the fool. That's not how you get heat on
a heel. It's the, in fact, the exact opposite formula
to do that. So I'm I'm not down on Corbin

(01:34:28):
as a as a character. I just think that they
haven't really done a whole lot with him for one
reason or another, and he's good on the mic, I think,
but this whole you know, worried about who's carrying the crown.
It's just not my thing. And next week they're gonna
fight for the crown. I mean, whoever wins the match

(01:34:50):
wins the crown. I guess that's the stipulation. But yeah,
you're right. Over on Raw, of course we got to
shint or who is Ricochet stealing the hot and hat
of Seamus? I mean, you talk about it seems as
if the same writer came up with two different storylines
for two different shows with the same premise at the

(01:35:10):
same time, with these two things happening simultaneously. I don't know,
so I know that that didn't happen this week on Raw.
But Seamus, I guess h heading back to Raw because
we closed out smack Down Her. What'd you think of
Seamus on Raw and what he's doing?

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
I hate it for him. Shamus was hot with two
three months ago before Wressemania. Samus was on fire. He
was doing main events with Drew, he was involved in
the title picture. I mean, Seamus was on fire, and
they put the US built on him in Wressemania and
what happened to Sham? Where's shamous? He's not on Hulu.

(01:35:52):
He's fighting low being called people and didn't didn't he
lose twice?

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
I think he did. I think he did.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
I mean, good.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
God, Yeah, I hate what they do in the same
as he should drop the build, you know, drop the bill,
try to climb your way back into some uple mid
me a card. But I mean, we're talking about Ricochet
and I tell you something new. I bet you Ricochet
wish they'd put it into her beat.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Oh that's right, Yeah, that's I forgot about that story.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Yeah, you know, he would have at least Sidric and
Cedric had you know, eight months to be hot. You
know Ricochet, he's been where he's been for the past year.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Yeah, the Ricochet. He's such an amazing talent in the ring.
I don't think, you know, they know what they have
in the ring with him, but they don't have a
character for him, as I kind of have a running
theme here of he's good in the ring to great
in the ring, but we don't know anything about them
outside of it, and we don't know anything about him
other than he's what the residents superhero. What the hell

(01:36:59):
is that? Like, I mean, I I don't that's such
a kind of just a childish name. Not my thing.
But he's amazing in the ring, I mean he does
superhuman things. But him going around stealing again personal property
from Seamus, who has done, as you said, an amazing
job at least late twenty twenty to early twenty twenty one.
You know, he was the unsung hero of the show,

(01:37:20):
and he could easily This is what kills me is
Seamus could easily be in the title hunt right now.
But the problem is you have a heel champion. I mean,
you have a heal champion. You can't have a heel
chase because no one's gonna really care. So until that
belt goes on somebody that Seamus can work with, I
think Seamus is gonna stay out of that title picture
now him as you as champion. I'm glad they put

(01:37:41):
the belt on him. I was very happy for him
at WrestleMania, but since then they just clearly had no
plans for him. After WrestleMania, they just stuck him on
Raw and they were like, who else doesn't have a
storyline going on? Raise your hand, and you know, Berto career,
raised his hand and they're like, all right, you're with
Seamus tonight. That's the way it felt. It was just
it's been it's been bad for Seamus. Perhaps things turn

(01:38:02):
around when the live crowd comes back. But I don't
know any any other thoughts on Seamus last out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Yeah, it sucks when of a war it turns into
a punish. That's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Yep, it is. That's how it feels. Well, it's a
punishment because they had no follow through. They didn't know
what to do after that. Same with a J and
Oma almost who won the tag titles at WrestleMania. They
didn't do anything with them for four weeks. So it's
they just they get to WrestleMania and then they're like,
who we made We made it, guys, we're done. And

(01:38:35):
it's like, no, you're not at all, Like you're not
done because now you need to, you know, continue the stories.
But okay, McIntyre and Lashly had their contract signing this week,
and uh, it was interesting. I'll say that at least
nobody went through the table unless you're the sword of
Drew McIntyre. You split it in half. And I thought

(01:38:59):
it was good, but you know, I Bobby Lashley when
he's on point, which on the mic, we know he's
not super good. On the mic he's I mean, he's
never going to be known as a silver tongue devil.
On the mic, he's just not. But he can be good.
He's generally okay, but he can touch the good category
once in a while. And he sparred with Drew McIntyre

(01:39:22):
on the mic here and I think it was fine.
McIntyre ends up signing after telling Lashly that I want
you inside Helen the Cell and I want you to
put the championship on the line. Drew agreed, but also
this will be their last time, so this is going
to be the final encounter. We did touch on this

(01:39:42):
a little bit at the top of the show here
with Lashley and McIntyre. But what did you think about
the stipulation and really the sword cutting of the table
at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
I did like the sword cut and it was unique.
If we're going for a unique look, that was a
unique look. Bobby.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
Lastly, on the mic, let's be honest. He says what
a champion is supposed to say. I mean, he don't
give you much extra you know, he gives good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Promos, I'm not gonna take nothing from him. But we
all know MVPs the mouth. You know, MVP's the guy
that keeps it going. He can say all the hot
footing issues, every topic he should touch. And then Bobby
comes in, lays down through two three sentences, and you know,
there you go. The problem I got with Bobby currently.

(01:40:33):
I need him go back to Bully Bob. I need
Bobby to go back to rag dollar people. I need
Bobba to go back to destroying people.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
I need Bobby lash but to go back to the
almighty w W Champion. Bobby last these last ladies is
not working no more. Get rid of them. You know,
if they did that one night after WrestleMania, who that's
what's up your part that you did that?

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
What champion part is every night? You know what champion
insinuates that you're paying for women? Who's number one? You champion,
so you shouldn't have to pay for nothing, right right?
You know? I hate that. I hate the direction they're
taking that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
And that's once again why I think they could be
putting the bill back on Drew. They're making Bobby look
like he's got his eyes off the prise.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
His eyes is not on the ball. He's wearying about party,
he's worrying about women. He's not worrying about their championship.
When the last time somebody had the hurt lot? When's
the last time somebody was in the herd loot.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
Too long?

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
That enough? See?

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
Yeah, it's yeah they are. They are focusing. And here's
the thing. I just complained about them not doing enough
character development, and now they're trying to do character development
with Bobby, and I'm a little bit regretting them trying because,
like you said, them bringing in these women it was
the twenty twenty one version of Godfather's Whole Train. I've

(01:41:56):
said this before, and it does feel like that, even
and McIntyre alluded to it with the Lashly train. He said,
here comes the Lashley train, reading to the Whole Train.
We all know that, and I agree. I don't need
to see him with these local women that are presumed
bought and paid for for the night. Obviously they're really not,
but I don't need that assumption in my mind that

(01:42:18):
that's what Bobby Lashley cares about. I understand that the
image of him with all these women that were supposed
to I guess as fans were supposed to look at
that and be jealous of that. Is that is that
the heat generating idea? I'm not. I mean, I wouldn't
want any woman that I have to buy and pay for,
Like I mean that that's not a that's not a

(01:42:40):
the thing I desire. But I get the image they're
trying to make of Bobby. I understand it. But you're also,
again and this is the second time I've said this,
you're also kind of taking down the women with you.
I know these women are not part of the roster,
they're not active competitors. I get that, but they are

(01:43:00):
still women. And when you objectify the women on a show,
I think by default also kind of touches all the
other women no pun intended, it also kind of I
guess it encompasses all the other women with them and
objectifies them. I think it a way because you're telling
your audience that you know, women can be bought and pain.

(01:43:22):
It's just not a good thing to do, especially in
twenty twenty one. Lastly, was doing just fine with MVP.
Like you said, I want him to get back to basics. Destroying, hurt, lock,
making people pass out, the just the intensity destruction that's
what I want not the orange suit wearing sunglass holding

(01:43:45):
You know which lady am I choosing tonight, Bobby Lashley.
That's not what I want. And I really hope you're
wrong and that it's not something that's leading and hinting
towards McIntyre reclaiming the championship. I have no interest in that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
And trust me, I want to be wrong. I want
Bobby to hold the bill. I don't want him to
give it up to Drew.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
But it's just too many things, at least to me
that's pointing to it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Drew McIntire, Like I said, going back on the road,
Drew lost last year. Hell on the sale, Bobby's first
time being healing. Bobby is messing with last's ladies, Drew
as on the prize. Bobby not hurt locking.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
People, or bullying people or making any type of deals.
I mean I thought, I thought Bobby trying to get
people to take out Drew made him look bad. Lord avversus,
I take that back again. I'll take that back. I'm
tired of this craft.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
Just like I said, let Bobby go back to what
he was doing and be a dominant champan.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Yeah, they're they're they're just they're going away off base
with what makes Lashley really good, and uh, this this
to me is it takes away from not just of
course the women and how people you women on the
Wrestling Channel, on the Wrestling Show anyway, but also taking
down Lashley's character with it. I think a little bit.
It's it's kind of taking him down a peg that he's,

(01:45:10):
like you said, he's losing focus on what the heck
should matter, and that's the championship and just just just
being a complete animal in the ring. So I hope
I got it. Like I said, I hope you're wrong too,
because I don't want us. The problem is if Drew
Bactire wins, then what's he gonna do. You can't have
a rematch with Lashley and Drew. Is that the stipulation

(01:45:32):
because then it just continues. If Lashley's like, hey, I
want my rematch, well can we do that? Because the
contract was signed saying if I well that was only
if he lost, so I guess they could do it.
I don't think fans want to see this again for
a long time, so I think that I really please
don't be right. The thing is, you've been read on
some things, and I didn't want you to be I

(01:45:52):
really don't want you to be right on this, like please, so.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
All right, don't want to be right?

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
No? Oh, well, is there anything that I know there's
maybe little kind of nooks and crannies we didn't cover,
But was there anything that I didn't touch on? I know,
we got our questions. We're gonna ask each other to
end here, but anything before we get to the layoffs
in that conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
Uh No, I didn't want to hit on one thing.
I know you guys was and this is totally off
the Rock's back now. I know everybody's been talking about
to be being sold possibly rumors, and we did have
somebody there on the voicemail Bag show who commented on

(01:46:37):
it and had a lot of good points as to why,
you know, w W could be sold to Disney. Just
to give you a little extra ice cream on top,
we have to remember Disney almost about the BC dip,
and that's something that's.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
Not talked about, but that is the true fact that
almost happened. So I don't deny the Disney could get
into the into the wrestling game.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
They all who do their own NBC ESPN, I mean
and I wouldn't follow this mcmn for doing it. You know,
everybody who gives ben in mac hell about hey, fast
it down to your family, do this. I wouldn't be
mad at visminc Man for whatever decision he made, because

(01:47:25):
you know, I know we're wrestling fans, and we all
we're energetic about wrestling now as we should be, you
know what I mean. But wrestling there's a business, and
you know us as wrestling fans, you know, we watch it,
we get invested and and this is sports entertainment. I'm

(01:47:46):
not mad at vist bac Man if he makes that movie.
I'm gonna be honest and no offense. When vincemac Man
does eventually fade to black what he eventually does, I
promis we will miss him, and we will wish he
was still running the show. We give him hell and
say he's oh he's got he's been staying up.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Too long, or he's getting the all time, he's getting old.
He needs to let Triple A run. I don't think so.
I think when this mac mahn goes, I think wrestling
as a whole will go down. That includes a w
that includes w B, that includes this.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
And man's a vision this McMahon did to the wrestling
world where people wish they could have been this McMahon
makes stars. He don't buy stars who have already established
by the competitor a W.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
That's why I'm not big on a W. I like AW.
I'm not trashing AW.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
But if we're being honest, they're going down to Pike,
w C W and down and I.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Think they're gonna have a similar faith. Can they Can
they stand around? Yes? Now they're gonna be competitors with
w W. I don't think it'll be long. I mean
I'm being honest.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
You know, yes, they beat an XT on Wednesday, I
mean honestly.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
So that's my take on that. I'll let you have
the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Well yeah, I mean people are looking at the fact
that they quote beat n XT and Wednesdays as this,
you know, world class accomplishment. While it's it's commendable, you
also your only claim to famous ae W is that
you beat a third brand of WWE, a brand that
they don't even truly invest a lot of their time in.

(01:49:31):
It was kind of like the red headed step child
of the three brands. Now, is it the best wrestling
quality brand?

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
Is it the easiest storyline, h easiest storylines to follow.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
Is it sometimes better than Ron SmackDown? Yes, But in
the eyes of Vince, Okay, you beat my third favorite child. Woohoo.
Like you said, it's Forru's it's again. It's something you
should care. But you're not beating Ron SmackDown regularly. You're
not competing with them quote head to head. The Monday
Wars are not I don't think going to happen again.
So yeah, I'm a fan of AW though. Don't get

(01:50:06):
me wrong, Like I don't watch it regularly, but I
kind of under I know what's going on. I understand
the premise of the show. It's an alternative. They have
legendary voices on their Jim Ross one of my favorite
of all time. They brought in Big Show, they brought
in Mark Henry, they brought in Sean Spears. They obviously
brought in Jericho Moxley. We go down the list, but

(01:50:27):
I don't know what the longevity holds for them. We'll
have to see. As far as WWE being sold again,
I mean it's been a couple of weeks now since
the massive news of Bronze Stroman and others. I don't
want to discredit you know the other Ruby Ryott and
Alistair Black and Santana, But I do I think they'll

(01:50:49):
be sold ultimately. No, but I'm not confident saying that,
and you can hear it my voice. I would give
it no, but not very confidently. The reason I say
no is I think Vince, while he may not while
he's all, he is big time into the money. I mean,
look at what he did with selling the network to
Peacock that no one ever thought he would sell the network,
and he sold the network. I think that ultimately he

(01:51:12):
understands that when he dies, if he believes he's going
to die, I will have to see about that. But
he would want to leave this company in good hands,
as good of hands as possible to continue his legacy.
I don't think that Vince McMahon would ever want to
kill his child, his again child in air quotes here,

(01:51:34):
wwe by giving it to a company that may mismanage it.
And he would have to have all the faith in
the world that Disney would not mismanage his company, his
his you know, his absolutely his claim to fame, his
whatever you want to call it, the pinnacle of his life.
I would think that he'd want to put it in
the best hands possible, so he would have to believe

(01:51:55):
it's Disney rather than his own family if they're even
interested in claiming the thrown There's so many what IF's right?

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
I don't know it is, but let's be honest about something,
and it's something this big Man says, and we as
wrestling fans, don't really acknowledge this.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
This big Man has said he is not in the
pro wrestling business. He's in the sports entertainment business. And
who does entertainment better than Disney.

Speaker 3 (01:52:24):
I don't think that that this main man is is
worried about his legacy as people think about. So I
want to pose this question as an interview to what
we're talking about. Let's say Visit does sell the company,
and they did sell to Peacock for a billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
What do you think they're asking price? What will be? Who? Ah?

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
That is a damn good Christ. I mean it's hard
for me to come up with a number without looking
at their financials. I mean, how have to look There's
so many different things like cash flow. I mean, I'm
not gonna get into like all the the financials of
looking cash flow statements and quarterly reports and that kind
of thing. I mean, if I was gonna ballpark it,
it's gotta be I mean eight hundred to a billion.

(01:53:17):
I mean, I'm thinking three to five three to five billion.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
What if you just sold the rights to your network,
just the rights to the network for the next five
years for a billion. I mean, but that's fright telling me, Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. That's only for five years. You're
telling me the company ain't three times multiple of fat.

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
The streams is not even that high.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
But they wouldn't get Here's the thing, like, they already
sold that the Peacock. So if you're gonna give it
to Disney, Disney would have no control over I mean,
the Cock deals done and gone. So you're essentially taking
away that billion from the deal because until that five
years expires, Disney would not own the w W network
until Peacock relinquishes. That are the contracts extended. So you'd

(01:54:12):
actually have to take away about a billion dollars in value.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
Right and and and.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
Obviously I don't think they're gonna sell it tomorrow. But
if you're in a in a moment where he is
at the end of the five years, you can get
the network and the company.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
What would you value Yeah, I mean you're you're in.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
The billion oh oh yeah yeah, probably with a B yeah.
I mean like, yeah, you got to be in the
b's Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
So and this may man leave that much money on
the table. That's it in your family, not including when
you are ready that you're you're talking about a legacy.
That's a legacy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
He grown a company that was regional, a billion dollar corporation,
and did what every millennial dreams of.

Speaker 2 (01:55:05):
It's to come up with some tech company and see
it on seela com valley.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
He raised up a pro wrestling company, turned into sports
entertainment and.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
Got out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
Wrestling is not let's be honest about something, and this
might be a non popular opinion either, wrestling viewership is
not growing across the board.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
No, that's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
So yep. So if he holds onto this without some
splurge of viewership, if it keeps going at the train
in it's time to get.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
Out, Yeah, maybe he's finally going to abandon the sinking ship.
I mean it's possible. I would I would say that
wrestling could still wrestling I think will always exist. I
don't think it will ever be a time where, even
if ratings are really really bad, that they would just
go out. We're done with this venture. Wrestling doesn't exist anymore. No,

(01:56:03):
I think that there's too much of an established fan
base over decades and decades and decades. You would never
do that. But I see what you're saying. I mean, yeah,
that's not an opinion. I mean the fact is everything
across the board is down, and yes, COVID had something
to do with that. COVID did not help with TV ratings,
sponsorship numbers, how much they're offering WW to sponsor whatever
they want during their programs. Of course COVID had a

(01:56:25):
big effect, But the big I think the measuring stick
will be in six months, when they have been on
the road again for five months or so. What a
ratings look like? What are ticket sales? Are people actually
coming back? What a merchandise sales like? I would love
to see their quarterly report for the first quarter they're
back in an arena to see what it looks like.

(01:56:48):
So yeah, COVID had something to do with that. But
even beyond COVID, things were falling before that. COVID just
exacerbated the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
And indeed, and you know, I hated Honestly, I love wrestling,
and by no measing by seeing wrestlings that wrestling never
that I always.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Be fans, you know, and I personally I am a
fan for life. But I feel like.

Speaker 3 (01:57:17):
We're being honest, and that's what I'm saying. Let's take
out emotions to take out a feelings. If I'm miss McMahon,
I'm selling them. They sold the rights to There to
be network for Peacock, and they didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
Care about none of the setup of it. We got
to deal with all this craft of trying to fast
forward to the matches. It's not set up nicest. Everything's
every way you're trying to search for matches. They didn't
care about us having a bad experience at all. You know,
they could have told Peacock, hey, I won't try to
sit up like this, but they didn't care enough of that.

(01:57:51):
So let's be honest with I said, it's time to
get out, man. I think he will make that decision.
M h and I hate Peak by the way, I
love to be their work. It was great. Everything was
easy to find and whoever had that advice about the
serve or whatever we need to do say that information
if I would like to do that, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
Just get a it's a VPN, virtual private network, and
I mean there's lots of VPNs out there, like Express
VPN whatever. If you get a VPN, it scrambles your
IP and then you can change your location to wherever
you want and that's how you do it. So I
actually thought about that. If VPN isn't free, it's like
it's not expensive by any means. I think it's like
ten bucks or less a month in some cases. But

(01:58:34):
I thought about that because I cannot stand Peacock either.
It is god awful. I mean, look, I use Peacock
for other shows, but for WWE it is terrible. I
mean there's no chapters. Searching for things is impossible specific
if you're looking for specifics too, Like you said good
luck and.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
They didn't care enough to make sure they say that abright, Nope.
For the American views, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
It does again, this all does kind of point to
a sale, right, Like you clean up your books, you're
making your financials look as good as possible. You you know,
you lay off this monster number of people, No pun intended,
Braun and you clean up and you really you do.
You make your financials as like sparkling clean as you
possibly can. That's what companies do before a sale. You

(01:59:22):
want everything to look tip tip top shape. It's like
you know, you're you're cleaning your house, making it look
as good as possible, staging it for you know, the
real estate agents to come in and put it on
the market. Like that's what you do. Same concept here.
Everything does point to a sale. I gotta say, well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
It goes, it goes a big room, it goes and
clickbait everybody. Do you think aw owner has enough capital?

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
Oh gosh, Tony Kahan, I don't know. I don't think
Vince would ever do that. I think his ego would
never allow him, because he would That would be like
him waving the white flag. Evince would not allow I
understand he's, you know, focused on the dollar. His ego

(02:00:13):
would never allow it because he would be the guy
that that he he did that to w c W.
And I don't think he'd want the same thing.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
That's different. Though he bought ZW four million dollars, he.

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
Bought a daring price.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
Yeah, he bought a dead brand.

Speaker 3 (02:00:30):
If you got I don't know Tony Kahan, so I
don't know his his capital or how much he's worth,
but I know he's worth a lot. You know if
he if he comes together with a group of investors
and the offering being in magfive at.

Speaker 2 (02:00:43):
Then would a beat or even three to five would
a bet? You know that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:50):
I don't think he turned it down, and I think
that's a different situation in what W did. Wc W
was d wc W had no more TV.

Speaker 1 (02:00:58):
Yeah they were, they were on life support. But at
the same time, I just Vince McMahon has got a
hell of an ego and I don't know what his
vision is for his brand. He may not even look
at it as his own legacy, just continuing the company successfully.
I mean, he may not believe it or not look
at this as saying I want my legacy. It's not
about me. It should be about the company. And I

(02:01:20):
maybe he've used it that way. Perhaps he does, And
I think that that would be the correct the correct
mindset to have when you're getting selling the company, to
put it in the right hands and not just potentially
go to the highest bidder if you think they could
destroy it or for ego reasons. I mean, we'll see that.
I don't even think about that. And I don't know
how deep Tony Kahan's pocketed pockets are. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:01:44):
I really don't. I don't either, and I agree ego
is crazy. But we all know what what is honesty always?
I'm just going to say that that has got a price.
It's so true.

Speaker 1 (02:01:58):
Yeah, that's true, even Lashley's ladies. Right, So gosh, all right, well,
I mean this is this is a deep topic, and
perhaps we're talking about something that isn't going to happen.
I mean, well we'll see. I you know, I thought
it would be if it was gonna happen, it was
gonna happen real soon. But all right, well, here's the thing.
You brought up something that at the beginning of the

(02:02:20):
show you asked me, and I've had time to think
about it, and you hinted towards some of your picks
about well, you know what, you go ahead and you
go ahead and ask.

Speaker 3 (02:02:29):
All right, me and Matt and we was having a
nice convo before we came on, and we got to
talking about the recent power and so we start off
with the first topic, who would be better than Bron
or do you want to go straight.

Speaker 2 (02:02:43):
Into the three? So that's what Lebron conversation has got
to come out.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
Yeah, go ahead and do that, Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
So the question is podcast listeners you ask and weigh
in on the mail Bag show. If you were like
if you Bron was was supposed to making a million plucks,
If you have to free up a million dollars in
capital with one wrestler, who else put Braun? Would we pick?

(02:03:15):
I know, emotionally, you know, as fans, we get emotionally
invested with people, and it sucks with anybody gets tired.

Speaker 3 (02:03:21):
But as I said earlier, this is a business and
me personally, I'm not I don't want to get rid
of myself Roberts a populast Drew Bagatie Randa or the
aj Styles who are in that realm of of cash
capital of contract wise, So you know, to you, Matt,

(02:03:43):
would you sacrifice somebody else other than Bron who makes
as much money as Braun?

Speaker 1 (02:03:51):
I'm trying to even find somebody like I mean, Kevin Owens.
We talked about that. Kevin Owens is probably making close
to that figure, but I think he's got much more
to offer than Braun does, not just on the mic,
but the character wise. I think he's a little bit
more developed on the on w's fans eyes than Braun was,

(02:04:14):
which is I think while they partially while they got
rid of Braun is, well, we got more monsters here
that can take his place. We feel like we've gotten
everything out of him. Who could possibly if you're gonna
only do one guy or gal that is taking that
hit for a massive contract of a million or more. Yeah,

(02:04:35):
we mentioned Seth can't do Seth. I mean that would
have been catastrophic if they let Seth Browns go.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
Well, let's even be honest, we can look at riskless.
We hate. You can't fiu of me?

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
Mmm, that's funny. He was, He's on my he was
on my list.

Speaker 3 (02:04:51):
Oh god, I don't think you can't as much as
he does with the with the TV shows and the penses.

Speaker 2 (02:04:59):
You can't fight me. Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:05:03):
I mean you asked if it was up to me, right,
So yeah, yeah, so there's there's the difference. MS was
one of my three, So there there my god. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:05:16):
Yeah, Bronze broke. Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
I wouldn't even think I would. I wouldn't think about it.
I think the Miss. The Miss has been with w
W E way longer. Number one, we already we know
what the miss is. We we we had like the
Miss is a guy that's never going to be your
top guy. Never. Miss is a guy that is a
perennial mid card joke, not not a joke as a character,

(02:05:47):
but kind of the butt of the joke with whatever
program he's in, or he's doing some bad comedy segment
now with Morrison, he every you know, a celebrity comes in,
he ends up taking the pinfall or whatever it may
be for that celebrity at the sacrifice of w W.
I think we've gotten everything out of them, is that
we possibly can.

Speaker 2 (02:06:06):
I I was gonna say, what everything you just said
about the me is you just made by pulling a
why you should be fired? Who else gonna work with
a celebrity? But who else can be nobody?

Speaker 1 (02:06:17):
But the answer is nobody. Nobody works with celebrities. You
know why because Okay, bad Bunny is like the needle
in the haystack with the effort he put in. Most
celebrities that come in do not do that. Most celebrities
that come in are looking to make a quick dollar.
Most of them that come in and end up underperforming
at WrestleMania wherever they are, and end up just leaving

(02:06:37):
egg on the face of the person that's there, and
they go off and go to Hollywood and do whatever.
I don't think that. You just you don't do business
with celebrities unless they're on the receiving end of I
don't know a finish. I mean, I want nothing to
do with celebrities and matches. I know we bad bunny.
I understand that that's like a one in a million,
so and.

Speaker 2 (02:06:56):
I get there.

Speaker 3 (02:06:56):
You know, celebrities ain't be I personally don't mind it,
but I don't think get rid of the me is
I think he's very important.

Speaker 2 (02:07:03):
I know people listening to this podcast saying what get
rid of to me.

Speaker 3 (02:07:07):
Is, yes, I wish they fired him. I think he's
very important to the brand. I think he's very important
to wrestling. He got his own TV show, A good
guy say, he's the reality guy.

Speaker 2 (02:07:18):
Everybody knows. To me is whether you like him or
love him. He's a triple Crown champion. He can do
all the dirty work and still look clean.

Speaker 3 (02:07:25):
He can be a jobber and I look like a
job and then get inserted into the ww Championship match
and you're scared he could win.

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
He did win this year, he did.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
But what I'm saying he always has that chance of
being champion at any moment. I don't think you can
get rid of the me.

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
I'd rather see manager managerial role like I would just
like maybe if I was gonna fire him, I would
just you know, Miss, we're done with you as an
end ring competitor. You're gonna be the mouthpiece for ex wrestler.
I mean that that's where I've always seen the miss
is Actually his best days are in front of a microphone,
not in the ring. That's that's how I view it.
But yeah, so he's my one. He's one out of three.

Speaker 2 (02:08:10):
Okay, okay, a nice little preview, all right, But anyway,
but who Relai.

Speaker 1 (02:08:18):
Yeah, I don't know that. That's you know what did
your question about bron Strum? I don't know. Uh, you
can't fire Orton. He's making that money, that money or more.
I mean, you can't fire Orton.

Speaker 2 (02:08:29):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
Seamus is probably somewhere close to that. But Seamus is
such a good heel, a solid guy, solid performer. You
can't get rid of him. Mm hmm. There's the problem
is when you're looking for a single person at that level,
there's very few. Uh, Charlotte Flirtony, you can't do that.

(02:08:54):
I'm looking at like the roster. I'm like scanning down
the roster. I don't see anyone that would make sense.
I don't know that. This is difficult. This is really
hard because they looked at it as maybe like let's
get rid of only one guy at a million instead

(02:09:14):
of five people that would equate to a million.

Speaker 2 (02:09:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
Yeah, that's hard. Do you have an idea?

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
Uh? No, we bring me to my point. I don't
think we should bash it to be for the decision.

Speaker 3 (02:09:28):
Now we can bash the de bee for why they
made the decision, and that is a you know, a
question that you know, wonder why they did it. But
if a business decision has to be made where you
have to clear a wrestler who makes a million plucks
for whatever reason, Brian is the guy who's the low,
it's on the top and block.

Speaker 1 (02:09:50):
Yeah, I mean he is so. I mean from that perspective,
only I understand why they did it. I mean, but
there's also that well, you look the billions of dollars, right,
Like it's a billion dollar business and yet they're concerned
about a one million dollar contract. I mean that it's
like one percent of their total net worth that they're

(02:10:11):
worried about. It's it's I think the net loss of
this is the you know, the the decrease in morale
that probably was caused by this, the fear of working
at that place. Uh just I think it just there's
a lot of unseen things that happen when you do
something like that. I think creative is stifled because a

(02:10:34):
lot of performers are probably now going to be fearful
to go out on a limb for fear that they
may lose their job if they do to do exactly
what creative asks. So I think you're creating a lot
of things that you can't see that are problematic outside
of woo, we saved the million dollars a year, but now,
oh wait, yeah, morale's down. People are fearful for their jobs.
They're not going out on you know, a limb. Creative

(02:10:56):
is down. Like you, you're creating a big problem by
doing this, I think.

Speaker 2 (02:11:00):
But that's me and I agree, you know, but another
aspect that as a wrestling fan that I do want
to acknowledge. We don't know what's going on in the
locker room. I don't know what happened backstage. We don't
know if Braun had an issue, or we don't know

(02:11:22):
if other wrestlers felt like, hey, he's a low man
on the total pole or well.

Speaker 3 (02:11:26):
You know, wrestling is a is a very competitive business.
And I tell you this is my my top wrestling.
Bron film and just left. I feel more confident than
I'm won't get a push now, but.

Speaker 1 (02:11:38):
I would feel that I'd go well if they did
that Lebraun and Bron was just in the main event
last month and he was making this money and he
was not getting all this TV time, and then they
just can him. What are they going to do to me?
If they don't care about him, why would they care
about little old me? Right, It's just not a good
thing to do for the culture that you're trying to create.

(02:11:58):
You want to feel like the company would take care
of you, have your back, wouldn't blindside you. That's for
any employer. I just it's just it's not a good feel.
If I was I would never want to be hired
by WWE. Ever, I mean for real, unless they were
just going to pay me to I don't know, put
sponsorships on my podcast or something. I would never want

(02:12:19):
to work for them directly ever. I mean it just
how many people and they were not even hearing about
that got released. The people that are behind the scenes,
people that set up the ring, that help you know,
with the travel. Obviously they'll bring some back on as
travel increases, but the hundreds of people, I mean, I
think I'm not exaggerating when I say literally hundreds, probably
one to two hundred that were released that we didn't

(02:12:40):
hear their names or know their stories. Not just the talent,
but everybody behind the scenes that got released. Boom, no job.
It's just not a place i'd want to work.

Speaker 3 (02:12:51):
And I agree, but let's be honest about something. If
you're comfortable, you've become complacent, and if you want the
best out of these rests, and I agree, does is
it a good look?

Speaker 2 (02:13:03):
No? But you're gonna try to help your game.

Speaker 3 (02:13:06):
And I still feel like if you if you wanted
the top tier wrestlers, you feel like, Okay, that's somebody
else out of my way. You know, if you the
Lord mea called, yeah, you probably like oh man, they
got Bron.

Speaker 2 (02:13:16):
They get me. But if you're only a siing, if
you're a top dollar guy, you feel like Brian is
out of the way.

Speaker 3 (02:13:23):
Now I can get opportunities. He's doing magics with Shane
McMahon just to get him in the loop. You know
he was gone for months before that. Let's be honest.
I mean, and yeah, they fired Bron. Brian is a
big name, but that's it. He lost the Bobby Laste
and in less than ten minutes before Bobby last One
came champion.

Speaker 2 (02:13:44):
He vanished. He came back.

Speaker 3 (02:13:46):
He f you do with Shane about being stupid. He
got in a triple threat match, which he lost. He's
a big name, but he is. What you did for
me today, that what you did for me two years ago.

Speaker 1 (02:14:00):
It's always about, Yeah, it's always about what have you've
done for me lately? Always has been. I mean that's
not just true for wrestling, it's always true for like
any part of life. A lot of times you do
something for somebody and you could do it forever, or
you could do it every day for six months, and
then you don't do it the you know, day one
of month seven, and they're like, what the hell, and
it's always about what you've done for me lately, right,

(02:14:21):
It's always that way with life. But to your point
about you know, being motivated and not complacent, I understand
that logic that you want your employees to be motivated
because that usually brings out the best in them. But
what I want them to be motivated by fear or
whether I want them to be motivated by their passion

(02:14:43):
for the product? Right? Like, the difference would be here
that when you're motivated by fear, typically people do things
just enough not to get fired. They won't do anything
above and beyond. I think because they're fearful that if
that above and beyond will piss offense McMahon, that they're
not going to lose their job. So I get your
I get what you're saying that, Yeah, you can't be complacent,

(02:15:04):
and really it's true in any line of work, or
you'll be fired, I get it, you know, or somebody
else surpass you, or you'll be overlooked for a promotion.

Speaker 2 (02:15:09):
I get that.

Speaker 1 (02:15:11):
But you're also now motivating people out of fear. That's
a different motivator, and it's more stressful of a motivator
than actual passion. For the product and a more of
a relaxed environment that you know, kind of cultivates creativity
rather than you know, puts fear in people's minds. If
I could get that call from Johnny Ace that, well, kid,

(02:15:31):
you know we're going in a different direction. You know,
like I that that is what I think is the difference.

Speaker 2 (02:15:38):
And I agree, And let me put this out there first.
I feel bad for Bron.

Speaker 3 (02:15:43):
You know, Bron Strowman is a normal, every day guy
who lost his job that paid him well, and I'm
pretty sure his lifestyle is centered around his paycheck that
he's signed his contract for.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
So in that aspect, I feel bad for Bron, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:15:59):
I hate it happened to him, and I'm pretty sure
a lot of people feel that way.

Speaker 2 (02:16:03):
And I agree it's not cultivating a good culture in wrestling.
But we can all agree on this.

Speaker 3 (02:16:08):
Wrestler's never had a good coach in the locker room
that he It's always been, Hey, you getting more time
to me.

Speaker 2 (02:16:16):
I don't like you for that.

Speaker 3 (02:16:17):
Hey, you just came here and you're already champ. Hey,
he's getting opportunities I didn't have. It's a highly competitive
locker room in a business, and like I said, I'm
pretty sure, and I'm pretty sure people disagree with me.
But I bet you more people in the locker room
was happy that Brons got out than it's mad.

Speaker 1 (02:16:38):
Oh yeah no. And I'm sure he actually Adam sure
his real name. I'm sure Adam had actual friends backstage.
I'm sure he did.

Speaker 2 (02:16:47):
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:16:48):
I'm sure those people were sad for him, felt for him.
But I think even his friends maybe that were working there,
like you said, probably looked at that and said, well,
I feel bad for the guy, but this could be
my opportunit unity, right like. And I don't think that's
a selfish thing to think about, because it's your livelihood too.
When a spot opens up, you should take that and

(02:17:09):
take advantage of that. Even if it's a spot that
was vacated by a friend of yours, you should look
at it and go, well, I can't do any about
the fact that he's fired. It wasn't my fault he
was fired. But all I can do is maybe try
to take his spot, right Like, Yeah, that's what they
should do, and that's what anybody would do that. I
don't think it would be smart for anyone to sit
there and go, oh man, I feel so bad for him.

(02:17:31):
You know, I know this is mine now, my career,
now that I could elevate and have an opportunity to elevate,
But I feel so bad for him. I'm just gonna
sit here and sulk. I mean, you would be a fool.
Of course, people should absolutely take advantage of that, you know,
but do people? I don't know. I would. I would
think that competition has ramped up for his spot, but

(02:17:51):
I mean who knows. Like you said, the backstage culture
in wrestling has been toxic, historically toxic, and certainly that
doesn't help. But all right, well let's get to your
three Let's just get to your three picks for you
would fire and actually let me let no, no, you
came up with the idea. I'll give you the stipulations.
How did you come up with this list? What's the
parameters here?

Speaker 2 (02:18:13):
All right? Well, see now I'm I'm gonna change it
this do uh three men and three women? M hm?
And we have to see them regularly on TV? Wow?

Speaker 1 (02:18:25):
Okay, now, this okay, this is really yeah, because you're
you're asking us to like cut half the women's roster.

Speaker 2 (02:18:33):
Yeah, yes, three me and they can't be jobb or
so we can't say Jeff.

Speaker 1 (02:18:38):
Party and they have like Naomi or who's never okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:18:43):
Now man, we can't say people like Keith Lee who
we haven't seen.

Speaker 1 (02:18:46):
Wow, got it.

Speaker 2 (02:18:48):
So how about we go back and forth. You pick one.
I picked one and.

Speaker 1 (02:18:54):
All right, oh boy, well I already picked them ass.
So that's that was my pick with the men.

Speaker 2 (02:19:00):
Boom, okay, give me. I'm trying to go down the
list myself and see somebody. Oh okay, it's easy Shell
and Benjamin Wow, okay, list on TV. You know what

(02:19:20):
I mean. He was a jobber.

Speaker 3 (02:19:24):
And he ass traded wins pasdery. So yep, I think
I give him the bood become a producer, agreed.

Speaker 1 (02:19:31):
I Actually I'm not. I was gonna pick him, but
you already picked him, so I won't. This is hard,
I would say, Elias.

Speaker 3 (02:19:39):
Oh, oh my god, I want to fire out a kid. Okay,
I'm going to go all right, I'm gonna ask somebody
gender Maha just came back.

Speaker 2 (02:19:59):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:20:00):
Oh wow, you're already giving him the boot.

Speaker 2 (02:20:02):
Already, get in the boot. He didn't do much. He
can take stanky and whoever else.

Speaker 1 (02:20:10):
Yeah, I don't even know Stanky and somebody else. I mean,
I don't forget that the guy is Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:20:15):
Hold on, before we name my next one. We got
smack now both named to So let's pick somebody back down.

Speaker 1 (02:20:26):
Oh no, that's that's the list. I'm anya. So I'm
picking somebody from SmackDown. That has to go from the
men's roster. It's the problem is it's got to be
somebody regular. That's that's the kick, that's the kicker. It
has to be somebody regular. Oh wow, I would and
people are gonna freak out when I say this. Uh,

(02:20:49):
dominic mysterio gone.

Speaker 2 (02:20:52):
Oh okay, I can agree. They should have put Dominique.
It needs to get bigger.

Speaker 1 (02:21:02):
It's not it's not in ring. I mean in ring.
The kid is fine. It's nothing to do with in ring.

Speaker 2 (02:21:07):
But yeah, I totally agree. Okay, all right, I'm gonna
say this next person almost send me.

Speaker 3 (02:21:16):
Please don't don't seend me hate mail for this one.
But I'm gonna be honest about stuff when I see it.

Speaker 2 (02:21:20):
Okay, Czarrow down, whoa Tozzarrow?

Speaker 1 (02:21:27):
What's the justification for that? People who are gonna ask.

Speaker 2 (02:21:29):
Me, I know the world wants to know this.

Speaker 3 (02:21:32):
I think the w t B dropped the ball when
they had or Daniel Bryan doing a lot of Czarro speaking,
and then they gave it to Czarrow.

Speaker 2 (02:21:40):
I don't think he cared it. Well, I don't think
he could ever hold the WW championship. I'm in the
Czarro section. He gas my wife. I do cheer for him.

Speaker 3 (02:21:49):
But if we're being honest, and if i'm if, I'm
gonna take somebody because I like darlfh Zigler. I mean
he was coming up doctor little Ropper rude, but I
like the thirty dollars. I think Czarro would get could wow.

Speaker 1 (02:22:03):
Okay, wow, I didn't see that coming blindsided.

Speaker 2 (02:22:06):
All right, that's some click bait, but you that is that.

Speaker 1 (02:22:09):
There you go. I'm putting that in the description of
the show.

Speaker 2 (02:22:13):
All right.

Speaker 1 (02:22:14):
With the women, all right, I'm picking I'm picking a
woman from raw here. I don't think this is going
to surprise anybody, and she is a regular. But I'm
going with Danny Brook.

Speaker 3 (02:22:25):
Oh okay, okay, I thought you was gonna say somebody else, No,
you took my pig. All right, he goes some more
clickbaf everybody. Alexa Bliz whoa wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 1 (02:22:44):
Okay, damn, that's that. That's a that's rough. I mean,
given that they just main invented her on raw when the.

Speaker 2 (02:22:53):
Last time she wrestled a match in January, she was
in the Rumble.

Speaker 1 (02:22:58):
No no, she faced Oscar for the champion ship briefly
or something, and she.

Speaker 2 (02:23:02):
Fight Randy Orton.

Speaker 1 (02:23:04):
Yeah, well fought Randy sure, yeah sure yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:23:09):
Oh boy.

Speaker 1 (02:23:09):
Okay, So now I'm trying to pick somebody else here.
We've got to do three women. Women are much more difficult,
really difficult here.

Speaker 2 (02:23:18):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:23:19):
If I'm going to cut somebody you you mentioned it earlier,
but you're forcing me to. I'm trying to make real picks,
not just all right. I'll leave your pick there because
you're already going to pick her. Natalia gone, oh my god,
what they don't do anything? What is she doing? She's going,

(02:23:40):
I know, but outside it like when they drop the belts,
which they're inevitably going to do. I don't need to
see her with cadtiers walking down the aisle, right, you.

Speaker 2 (02:23:48):
Would drop Natty over to mean you don't know what
you well, yeah, I know, ain't nobody meaning to mena
but you.

Speaker 1 (02:24:00):
Well, I didn't finish my pick yet either Son Italia
is gone.

Speaker 2 (02:24:04):
Okay, true, I would give me Lil Moore out.

Speaker 1 (02:24:08):
Yeah, wow, not even giving it a chance, don't.

Speaker 2 (02:24:11):
I would if we're gonna fire Ruby Riot, they just
the whole group.

Speaker 1 (02:24:17):
Yeah that's yeah, yeah, I mean just why are we
doing things halfway? Right? So yeah, I would also finish
things out by firing Tomina. I would. I would fire
both of those. Aheah, sorry, I'm gonna I know, I'm
making your pick really hard. Tomina's gone.

Speaker 2 (02:24:36):
Ah, you did Mandy Rose for me? Then the tag team.

Speaker 1 (02:24:41):
They're gonna have no texts? Yes, yeah, Mandy Rose would
I would agree Mandy Rose U probably gets the boot
because yeah, I don't need I don't need to see
her compete in the ring or try to seduce Otis.
I'm done.

Speaker 2 (02:24:57):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (02:24:58):
And by the way, this you know, we're we just
have a phone with the situation. By no means that
we encouraging people to be fired. Oh no, friendly with
everybody of.

Speaker 1 (02:25:09):
Course, I mean like people are gonna Yeah, I'm sure
we're gonna get something out of the bail bag. Not
not negative, just saying why why do you why would
you fire so and so? Over so and so it's
all subjective, guys, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:25:19):
And tell us that, right, and Colleen, let us know
europeaks for your three.

Speaker 1 (02:25:24):
Yeah, that and and the the whole stipulation here and
that is it's so difficult that you make is you
not only have to pick three women, which is really
difficult considered they're the fraction of the size of the
men's division, but you have to make them regulars like I.
Like you said, I can't pick Ridick Moss who's injured
or Tucker who's currently inactive like I have to. You
have to pick somebody that you see regularly on TV.

(02:25:47):
That's hard. Yeah, all right, Well, uh any final thoughts
my friend on uh and really anything going on or
just kind of closing comments.

Speaker 3 (02:26:00):
I have nothing else to talk about wrestling. I do
want to give a couple of shout outs. Shout out
everybody on the Voice mail Bag show. You know you
guys are fun every week. I do want to speak
on somebody who did road in real quick. I think
it was came remember Phils Cal from New York, Cal.

Speaker 2 (02:26:16):
From Baltimore, one of the cales and they wrote in
or they voicemail DN talking about what do you say
be Uncle bell A and Sasha Banks are the same
gimmick ye oh yes, yes, yep and the cal wrestler
fan on coll people out. But I totally disagree with that.
Sir Sasha Banks is cocky, Bioncle bell Air is confident.

(02:26:40):
There's there's a true difference, And I love how the
est is is a face. I think she plays a
baby face role.

Speaker 3 (02:26:46):
Breat she doesn't come off condescending, she doesn't come off cocky,
she comes off favorite, confident, where Sasha Banks.

Speaker 2 (02:26:54):
And Sasha Banks, Yeah, she's mean. She seems like she's
foted like that in real life.

Speaker 3 (02:27:02):
You know, it doesn't seem like an act for her
in no offense. That's her right to be how she
wants to be. But I do think they have told
they do different personalities, and I understand he loves Sasha Banks,
but don't try to pool down.

Speaker 1 (02:27:13):
Biancabell left And that's it's funny you mentioned that or
Sasha Banks seems like that way in real life because
on this Broken Skull sessions was when she was speaking
with Austin Mercedes. Obviously we all know what was her
real name. She came off a lot like her character
Sasha banks, her her laugh, her demeanor, the way she

(02:27:33):
was sitting and talking with him, and I'm like, you know,
you're not supposed to be in character. I mean, it
was just I think that's actually who she is, which
makes it even worse. So, yeah, I am not a
I do not like the way that she just is.
I feel like she's, like you said, arrogant. Whereas Bianca

(02:27:55):
Bellair turned a character that should be healed by all intents,
you gave me Bioncea Bella's character. On paper, I would
say this is one hundred percent of heel. But the
way that she presented calling you the how are you
calling yourself the est of everything and yet you're a
baby face? It's genius. I don't know how she does it.

Speaker 2 (02:28:14):
Hey, I love it. It's it's it's great, great character development. Great.
But yeah, I just gotta shout out.

Speaker 3 (02:28:23):
Shout out there by the meal bag show Cathrom, New York.
Cathrom bought the more tear from Tennessee. Shout out to you,
you know, all the regulars. Shout out to everybody else. Also,
shout out to my yous soccer team. You see out
Laws became a third place in a soccer tournament.

Speaker 2 (02:28:38):
So I know, casual wrestling fan sounds.

Speaker 3 (02:28:40):
A little horse, you know, and my wife, the coach,
I yelled a lot, but we did good. We went
out there, came away with.

Speaker 2 (02:28:45):
Third, so proud of the team. And yeah, all the
casual wrestling fan fans just email Matt tell him what
you want to tell him. He always gets the messages
to me. So because casual wrestling fan does not do
social media.

Speaker 1 (02:29:00):
No you do not, right, So I'll be your intermediary
for people that want to say things to you or
about you. I mean, so that's that'll be the mailbag.
Guys like, send me email real ww podcast at gmail
dot com. And you guys know the number as well,
five one a nine five two zero two four seven,
So definitely let me know what you guys thought about
this episode. I'm sure that it'll generally received positively. I

(02:29:20):
think you guys are the reason that he's back and
now because I didn't want to bring him back, but
he's usually not in our typical rotation of co hosts.
So I'm glad that you you you really shoved me
to get him back because it's been great. So uh well,
thank you, miss casualistling fan for joining us here. We
had a really in death conversation two and a half hours.
Never went so fast, So thanks so much for popping on.

(02:29:42):
Congratulations to your third place team, and I'm sure we'll
be in touch, probably in the mail bag, I would assume.

Speaker 2 (02:29:49):
Yes, sir, I'll be back this third way you posted
on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (02:29:53):
Yeah, usually Thursday. Yeah yeah, So I'll be.

Speaker 3 (02:29:56):
Back being like I said, anybody to hit up Matt
let him know how you feel about the show, and
thanks for having me home.

Speaker 1 (02:30:01):
Matt, thanks so much, take care, you're two start good night,

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