5 1/2 Years Ago: 2020 Royal Rumble Review - Edge Returns and Gives Us Chills! - The WWE Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Your full Royal Rumble review and Monday Night Raw is
coming up in just a minute, and boy do we
have a lot of content to get through today. Over
about two and a half hours with my co hosts,
as I brought on Mary Grayter, Zach Perez and Anthony
DeMarco to cover the entire Royal Rumbles show from top

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to bottom, the Women's Royal Rubble Match, the men's, all
the matches that happened, including the pre show, and then
of course touching on the big, big, big big events
that happened on Monday Night Raw, with of course Randy
Ordan's attack on Edge. So you're not gonna want to
miss this one. This is a marathon show, guys. You
may want to break this down into you know, just

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a couple of days unless you have some significant time
to get through this, But this is when you're gonna
want to listen to. It's it's though definitely the longest
show in the history of this show, but it is
worth listening to as we cover all bases and you
get all perspectives and we didn't always agree on everything,
which is a good thing. So stay tuned for your
full Rumble review and Monday Night Raw thoughts right after this,

(01:10):
Welcome to.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
The WWE Podcast, the most passionate and authentic wrestling analysis
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Stone Code sets out.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Welcome guys to the WWE Podcast. Huge, huge show today, tonight,
more today, depending on when you're listening to this. All
co hosts on board, and we have a full Rumble.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Review for you, including the.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Edge return of course headlining the Royal Rumble news Drew McIntyre,
you could argue was also kind of in that top
spot winning the men's Royal Rumble match, brock Lesner being
eliminated by Drew McIntyre. We covered everything every angle that
you probably could in terms of the Royal Rumble, the

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Royal Rumble outcome, and where we could be going into WrestleMania,
potential WrestleMania matches. Who's Charlotte Flair could be challenging, right?
I mean she said on Raw that she was going
to face a champion. Well hint him. There are three
championships for the women. Keep that in mind. So we
really covered everything that you could probably imagine.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I'm sure we've missed some.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Stuff, but it really was a very thorough review of
the Royal Rumble, and you got different perspectives from four
different people on the Rumble and of course the mind
of net Raw after the Rumble, which really felt like
a WrestleMania Monday Night Raw after WrestleMania, didn't it.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
It felt huge, but great show.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
You guys are going to want to keep this on
a really kind of a pause and play and repeat
and continue because this is a long show. This is
you know, two and a half plus hours of content
and that's a good thing if you guys like long shows.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
And so maybe we'll.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Continue to do this kind of like a pay per
view roundtable post show type of deal. I know other
big podcasts have that. I'm not trying to rip off
the name from anybody, but that's truly what it would be,
and what this was. We were just shooting the you
know what, just talking about the pay per view and
giving our thoughts on it, and went around the invisible

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table that we had and everyone got a turn to
talk and it you know It turned out very well,
and I really hope that we were able to just
do this again and maybe mix up some co hosts
and bring other people on and maybe have a just
dicussion with different groups for different pay per views. I
don't know, we'll see. This is kind of a trial run.
I've never had this big of a group of co
hosts to discuss wrestling, but it's always a blast, and boy,

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two and a half hours goes super quickly you talk wrestling.
But anyway, guys, thank you for joining me. This is
the WWE podcast. You can join me every day. Every
single day, this show has a new show. A new
one comes out every day, and it's not always by me,
it's by our lovely co host or by our hosts

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with Chris who does an XT, or with Zach who
does a w or Aidan willis our newest member to
the show who will cover Monday nights and give alternate
perspectives on the current product. Aiden is coming to us
and I'd like to welcome and I hope you guys
give him a listen as well. He had a Royal
Rumble prediction show and also had his own thoughts on

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if WrestleMania should be a two day event. So that
was published on our feed just a couple of days ago. Actually, no,
it was publish yesterday. I'm losing track of time. It
is very late in past my bedtime right now. But
with that being said, welcome him, give him, give him
a listen, give him a like, give him a follow,
Subscribe to his feed if you would like to continue

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to hear him. Chris, Zach, Mary, Ashley, Anthony, all of
the entire team here on the WWE podcast. So the
team's growing. It's a good thing. And this is now
an officially officially a daily show. It's insane, right, It's
it's nuts, but that's what this is now. So all right, guys,
let's uh, let's not waste any time. Let's get to

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the good stuff, right, Let's get to Mary, let's get
to Zach, let's get to Anthony, and of course let's
get to myself as we talk about the Royal Rumble
and the running at Raw after.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I'll be back.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Tomorrow with part two of the Stone Cold Versus the
Rock Wrestling Nostalgia as we look at WrestleMania seventeen, one
of the greatest WrestleManias of all time, in one of
the greatest men events of all time of Stone Cold
versus The Rock for the WWF Championship. Stone Cold turns heel.
You're gonna get all my thoughts on that. So Part

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two is tomorrow. You're not gonna want to miss that.
And then on Thursday and Friday, nxt AE W, Saturday
and Sunday we are back with your weekend review. So
a lot, a lot, a lot to cover as we
just go full steam ahead into WrestleMania season. This is
certainly going to be a busy one. It's gonna be
a noteworthy one. We've already got a massive return, one

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that gave me chills to the bone, and I've seen
about twenty times and I'm telling you that Edge return
was something that I will never forget. We all heard
rumors of circulating that he's coming back, that he's been
clear to compete, and even knowing that, hearing his music

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and hearing the crowd reaction, that was a Stone Cold
return type of reaction. Seeing Edge's face come out, the
look in his eyes when he came out is really
what told the story, and it was just amazing. Everything
about that was just magic. It was damn magic. Seeing
Edge come back and and and vindicate himself, and he

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looks in amazing shape. He's just I can't say enough
about the return was it was just damn brilliant and
obviously having Drew McIntyre win, well you'll hear our thoughts
about that as well, so I just wanted to touch on that.
All right, Well, guys, let's let's get right to it.
Let's get to the audio, get to the conversation with
all four of us and wrestling talk, which is what

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you're here for. So, guys, I will talk to you soon.
Is gonna be.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
You gotta be Jimmy Souker starts here.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
That is, guys, my favorite moment in WWE in the
last i don't know, five ten years, probably since the
CM Punk promo that happened in Vegas. That was the
moment for me. Welcome guys to the Royal Rumble and.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Raw Review Show.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I've been really looking forward to having this conversation with you, guys.
I've been holding a lot of stuff in as you
guys have for the last two days. With the last
two shows, and we now have Anthony DeMarco, we have
Mary Greater and subbing in for Ashley this time around
is Zach Perez. Guys, welcome to the show. It's awesome

(09:07):
to have everybody here.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Yeah, good to be here, Absolutely glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
So, guys, I'm just gonna ask you right off the top,
I'm Mary. I'll start with you. What what were your
overall thoughts.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Of the Rumble and raw?

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Well, I mean what did you give it a thumbs
up with thumbs in the middle thumbs down?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Where were you for the just as a whole?

Speaker 6 (09:32):
Well, starting with the rumble, I think it's the best
rumble that I've seen since I started watching wrestling again
back in twenty eleven, twenty twelve.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
It's up there too.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
I don't know if it's the greatest rumble of all time,
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
But the card was super solid.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
I wasn't really happy with the outcome of the women's Rumble,
but the women's rubble overall was super good. And then
you know, they delivered on the men's Rumble, and even
while the the only one that was kind of it
was the Bailey match, which I didn't really expect that
much from it.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
I expected the.

Speaker 6 (10:06):
Outcome, but in general, it moved it didn't like lag,
and it seemed like it was a solid card overall
in my opinion as far as raw goes, it was
a good follow up raw. I mean, things happened, they
started building storylines going to WrestleMania, but I mean it,
it was a decent raw. It wasn't terrible in any

(10:26):
any means, but you know, it's I think it depends
on the person and what they're they're paying attention to
in the storylines that they're invested in.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
So I didn't have any problems with all us they either.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Zach, what did you think?

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (10:41):
Overall, I think that the Royal Rumble was a great card.
It's definitely one of the better rumbles that I've watched
in a long time, and it really hit on all
the right spots for me for what I feel like
the Royal Rumble should be. You know, it had a
good amount of surprises, good matches in between to break
up the Women's Run Rumble and the Men's Royal Rumble.

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And I think that ultimately the decisions they made really
made a lot of sense. I was really happy to
see them kind of go the right direction and give
it to Drew McIntyre as much as I would have
kind of liked to see Edge take his way all
the way through the Rumble. I did like the idea
of having it end up with Drew McIntyre or claymore Lesner,
and I just thought a lot of the big moments

(11:23):
were done so right, and I thought they did a
brilliant job of kind of showcasing the best of what
the Royal Rumble can be. So I was definitely really
happy with it. And I like to see that they're
continuing things along on Raw with Edge still coming back,
and even seeing MVP back too was nice to see
on Ross. So a lot of cool things happening in
WWA very retro feels Anthony.

Speaker 8 (11:45):
Best rumble, hands down in probably fifteen years. The last
rumble I could compare it to as good as this
is two thousand and five when Batista wanted.

Speaker 9 (11:55):
But yeah, just.

Speaker 8 (11:56):
Great booking decisions across the board. Every match was enjoyable
for the most part, and the Rumble itself, like, you know,
that's the best possible course of action you could have taken.
With rock Lester being first, it told the story. It
was like almost a tale of two rumbles. The interaction
between Brock and Drew with the ultimate elimination of Brock.

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I rewatched about five or six times. The pop was amazing.
They built Drew McIntyre to be a beast. They swerved
me at the end. I was convinced it was gonna
be Roman reigns, but I was hoping for Drew McIntyre
turning babyface and then continued on Raw. They planted some
seeds with McIntyre and Brock being official for WrestleMania. Now

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we have this Edge and Randy Yorton thing, and what
can you say about the Edge return. I haven't heard
a pop that big since the Row came back in
twenty eleven, and to be honest, this one may have
been bigger because this was for an actual match.

Speaker 9 (12:51):
So I got a tip my hat to w w B.

Speaker 8 (12:54):
That was the best pay per view in easily the
last ten to fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I mean, it felt like WrestleMania. To me, it felt
like I just came off WrestleMania, and the raw from
last night felt like a raw after Mania, except it
was a raw after the rumble. And I don't know
if it's because they're starting to move to stadiums, because
for the Royal Rumble and rightfully so that Edge entrance.
I'm serious like this, those are moments that remind you

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why you're a wrestling fan. Those are the moments that
you look back on and like when you get goosebumps.
And I was laying in my bed and my son
and my wife were asleep, and I had my headphones
on and I hear Edges music and like I jumped up,
and I'm like, I had to hold in my yell
and because if obviously I did, I would have caught
hell for it, because then I would have woke up

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the entire family. But like, that's how emotional I felt
about Even though I heard rumors and there was some
strong speculation, you just still never know, and hearing that
for me was it was one of those moments that like,
I'm not kidding you. When I've seen I've watched this
like twenty times of his introduction back into the Rumble,
and when you see Edges eyes when he's coming down

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the ramp, that's really what.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Tells the story to me.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
It's it's it's as if he is coming full circle,
that he is back, and that all of the emotion
in the build and what was taken away from him
nine years ago is coming full circle. It just there's
so much emotion there in those few seconds of that
camera shot of him coming down the ramp. It was
it was awesome. The rest of the card. I really

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enjoyed the top to bottom. You could say the Bailey
match was a little bit subpar.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
It kind of was. I mean, I guess in.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Comparison, especially to the rest of the card. Even even
there the pre show with Seamus and Shorty g Right,
I mean, we can we can discuss that in a
few moments as well.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
But in Andrade too, Andrade.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Retaining the United States Championship even though he got a
thirty day suspension, and we can talk about that as well.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I loved this Royal rubble. Like you said, this may.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Have been WWE's best pay per view in a decade.
That's insane to say, but it really may have been.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
I totally agree.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
Going back to the Edge stuff real quick. You know,
there have been rumors for a month that he got
cleared and stuff, and I loved how they did it.
Were you know, sometimes when a surprise entrant comes in.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
They kind of like have a pause.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
You know, there's nothing nobody's music hit, but they hit
it right away and that place just exploded. And it
wasn't even like, oh, the superstar is back, We're super
excited about it. Like everybody was just genuinely happy for him,
because when he retired, you saw how heartbroken he was.

(15:39):
Same thing happened with daniel'brian, but even even more so
with Edge. Just the way that he had to go out.
He was champ and he was forced and they told
him he would never wrestle again, and he had serious,
serious injuries, and that shows you how far the medical
field is come, I mean as a whole. But like
you're saying, when they closed stub on his face and
you can see the tears welling in his eyes because

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he couldn't believe that he was there, He couldn't believe
that he was there, and he couldn't believe that he
got that reaction, even though I don't understand why he
wouldn't think he would get that reaction.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
I mean, as is the best. He's one of the
best that you know has.

Speaker 6 (16:14):
Come in the ring personality wise and everything that he's
done for the tag team division and as a champion
and pushing you know, the envelope but it was It
was just one of those surreal moments, like you say,
when this is why we watch and you could just
see the raw emotion in his face, like just taking
it all in and trying not to like get up
and caught and be like, Okay, I gotta go in

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there and show that I still got it, which he did.
I mean, he was in the final four. I mean,
how awesome was that? But it was just it was
one of those moments when you go, this is why
I'm a wrestling fan because I'm actually happy. I feel
his happiness right now because this is his dream. And
even though I've never been a wrestler, like I can
understand if something was taken away from me unexpectedly and

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not on my own terms, and I was able to
get it back and I I bust in my ass
to get it back. It was just a phenomenal moment,
and I loved how they executed it.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
It was amazing.

Speaker 7 (17:11):
Yeah, I definitely agree with you too. I think that
that was one of those moments where you could kind
of feel him looking into the lens of the camera
as if he was looking into the eyes of all
of the fans, and to have him kind of experience
that not only for himself, but to experience it with
everybody in the audience like that. It was very powerful,

(17:31):
and I think that his emotion conveyed a lot through
the camera lens and it just made for one of
those huge you'll go back and watch moments and I
feel like I've watched him in the TLC matches with
the Hardy Boys and the Dudly Boys a million times.
Now I'm gonna end up basically wearing out my phone

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screen watching this video so many times. It's just one
of those surreal moments where you really feel like it's
great experience. Having been a wrestling fan for a long
time and having watched his journey to get there, you
just felt a part of it.

Speaker 8 (18:08):
Well, what makes it so special in my mind is
because you had the edge return and it was amazing,
one of the best returns of all time. Everyone exploded.
But it wasn't just the edge return that made the
Rumble what it was. I can't stress enough how amazing
of a booking decision. I think booking Drew mcintito win
the Roll Rumble was. You know, up until maybe two

(18:30):
years ago when Shinsky Nakamore one, you know, WW was
not on a great run with Roy Rumbles, you know,
picking Triple H and Batiste as Roman raign as passed
winners that were often rejected by the crowd. But now
you know, they pick a guy who the crowd is
clearly behind, who has a lot of untapped potential. You know,
the women's row rumble was fantastic. You know, maybe the

(18:52):
outcome could be debated a bit, but the match itself
was great. I loved the Fiend versus Daniel Brian. I
thought that told the good story. The fall up on
Raw was great. So even though Edge Edge's return was
just fantastic, it didn't completely make the show.

Speaker 9 (19:09):
It was nice that.

Speaker 8 (19:10):
We didn't solely have to rely on Edge going back.
That just was a cherry on top.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, I agree. The fact is that Drew McIntyre was
the right choice.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
And I got a little nervous at the end, and
certainly flashes of twenty fifteen came rushing back for Roman
Reigns with the reaction he got, rightfully so eliminating Edge
and everything. And I had that feeling that if wnwe
puts Roman Rains in the final few, that he's going
to get that reaction and lo and behold he did.
And I think that putting Drew McIntyre over was the

(19:43):
correct choice. And I didn't pick him. I still I
did not. I mean, I was wrong, and I thought
there was a chance. I thought it was a dark horse.
But honestly, for the last few months he's kind of
been under the surface, kind of a tweener, and he
won the big triple threat match on raw is really
the only ground he had to stand on, and then
got RKAO by Rand new Yort in the next week.

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So to me, there wasn't a whole lot of signals
that yeah, this is who we're going with, and so
I didn't think that they would pull the trigger, but
I thought if they did that the crowd would respond positively.
And my god, did you hear the reaction when he
eliminated brock Lesner. As you had said, Anthony, that really
was a tale of two rumbles, and you had brock
Lenzer dominating the beginning of the match, which I actually

(20:27):
did think would happen, which makes sense because whoever eliminates
brock would then be would get a huge rub from
that that would point the direction of Okay, it's probably
gonna be Brock versus whoever eliminates him, which many people thought,
and it was a great story.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
People are getting pissed off.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Oh my god, this is the worst rumble ever I
saw the tweets, people are going nuts. I'm like, do
you know what's gonna happen here? They're building to a moment.
They're building to whoever eliminates Brock is gonna be that guy.
They're gonna They're gonna be that person that faces brock
Lessner at WrestleMania. That's what they're building to, and people
are getting genuinely angry. I thought it was brilliant, and
the pop that he got for eliminating brock Lessner was

(21:05):
probably rivaled edges Entrance.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
I mean, it was that loud. People were going nuts.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
But it was a great story, great ending. It really
may have been, And I know that it's simply because
it's the most recent thing. Sometimes is the most vibrant thing,
so you think it's the most intense. But I guess,
sitting here on January twenty eighth, twenty twenty, I would
say that may have been the top in my top
two or maybe the top.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Rail rumble I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I mean it was brilliantly booked from top to bottom.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
I mean, I don't know that because you're saying, like,
go into retrospect, it's definitely top ten, top five. I
totally agree with that. And to go off of what
Anthony said, everything he said was right. It wasn't that
just Edge returned. Drew McIntyre was the person that I
said should win. I said Brock or Roman was gonna
win because I thought that was the safe bet.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
And WWE logic.

Speaker 6 (21:59):
I said Drew should win because you need to make
new stars and he is believable for teaming the Beast
the story. Everybody getting mad about Brock don't understand Brock.
These are the people who don't understand the concept between
them doing a part time champ and its back to.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
The old days that this is the guy.

Speaker 6 (22:24):
Brock has been the dominant champion for what five years
plus now he loses it for like a couple of.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Months and then he gets it back.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
I was laughing the whole first of the rumble because
I love when Bronco goes in there and just destorys people.
I think it's funny, it's hysterical, but it gives him legitimacy.
We can go back to when Brock came back and
they almost screwed it up by him losing to John
Cena and Triple H.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
They almost messed it up. But since those two losses,
he has been the most dominant guy in the men's.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
Division as a world chantaion and he should be because
look at him and he's a collegiate athlete.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
You have to make him believable.

Speaker 6 (23:05):
There's not a lot of believable stuff like that anymore.
And I've always said, the person who's going to take
out Broad has to be believable that he's going to
take him out.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
It can't be a mysterio.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
It can't be like I mean sorry, it can't be
a cmpunk like somebody like Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe
and Drew McIntyre, who is just a slab of man.
I hate to like be like girl like that guy
is just like he's huge and he's beefy and that's
what he is. It is believable to me that Drew
McIntyre can be the guy to take out the Beasts.

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And it was just smart booking. And on the other
side they saved Romans. But because if they did have
Roman Loute win again, he would have gotten booed out
of the building.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
And they already made that mistake.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
And they've worked so hard to get Roman back to
a point where he still gets mixed kind of you know,
responses and stuff.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
But he's really not getting booed anymore. So there was
nothing for if Roman would.

Speaker 6 (24:03):
Have won, he wouldn't have benefited it at all, like
Roman can get a title shot. It's kind of like
what my argument will be about the woman's outcome rumble.
But the people who were saying that, Brock was like, oh,
this is the worst rumble ever. You don't understand that
they were actually for once the WWE was trying to
build a story and I said, the guy who comes in,

(24:23):
there's somebody coming who's going to take him out. I
don't know who it is, but somebody's coming in. They're
taking him out. Because they had thirteen eliminations in a row.
They don't do something like that. They wouldn't have run
him through the whole entire roster.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
They might have.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
He may have gotten eliminated in the last couple of minutes,
but that rumble is one of the best booked and
story like thought out, like they actually took thinking for that.
I've seen Rumble since I started watching again ten years
ago that had been terrible, and that was just a
well thought out, well played Okay, we.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
Wanted Drew to be the chosen one, like you know,
ten years ago or whenever he debuted, and now he's
back and he's proven himself and he's gone face in
the last couple of weeks and he's been killing it
and he has personality out the ass. So it was
a great decision by WWA. And you know, we always
beat up on him, but I'm crazy and for this decision.

Speaker 7 (25:17):
Yeah, I think they really got a lot of the
decision making right, which is something that we kind of
almost take for granted that they're not going to do
and just assume off the bat that they're going to
make the wrong decisions. And you know, like you said,
with Roman, you know, it very easily could have had
the entire universe up against him again, but instead they

(25:39):
chose to go the right route and kind of play
more towards building a new star, which is always what
the Rumbles should be about in the first place, and
so kind of accepting that as a reality and going
through and doing that with Drew was just so smart.
And I think that there's also a potential setup there
too with Edge returning as well. Very easily see some

(26:01):
sort of program with him in Roman, you know, because
of the fact that they have both the same finisher
essentially with the spear, so I could very easily see
some sort of tie in with that and having them
come up against each other possibly down the line. I
know it seems like now they're building towards Edge versus
Randy Orton, but if he's to stick around, that's definitely
something where we could see Roman kind of finally take

(26:23):
that heel turn jump.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
So I think just across the.

Speaker 7 (26:26):
Board, they kind of made all the right moves, and
the fact that they're sticking with Charlotte as a heel
now made a lot of sense in the women's rumble,
even as controversial as that is. So I think a
lot of the booking was done right, which is something
we don't normally expect nowadays.

Speaker 8 (26:42):
And what was brilliant about it was that even like
the little small details that they booked were amazing. Like,
I just thought the way that Brock got eliminated was
so smart because it also protected Brok, like you needed
Ricochet to kick him between the pans for Drew to
get him out. And while it is impressive on Drew
to eliminate him with a clay Mark kick, it still

(27:04):
protects Brock. And then they followed up on Raw that
Brock comes out and that F five zone, like we
can't be led to believe that all of a sudden,
Drew is brock skryptonite, Like they strung that well out properly,
Like even though Charlotte won that Royal Rumble, you know,
they built up a lot of people to make them
look strong in that match. I loved that Alexa Bliss
had a nice run. Shana Basler, you know, I thought

(27:24):
that she was gonna wait up until the very end.
Beth Phoenix looked really good and hopeful that maybe that
sets up something towards WrestleMania. And then in the men's
you know, they's planted this seed for Edge and Rand
Jordan that they followed up the next night. I liked
how they like integrated the brawl on the outside, like
with Samoa Joe and Alistair Black and Kevin Owens pushing

(27:46):
back on the Disciples of seth Rawlins even after they
were eliminated. And I also liked that they didn't least
time letting you know, guys who we didn't really think
ever had a chance be in the Rumble last long
for no reason. You know a lot of guys like
a Lias and you know guys from the New Day
and Eric Rowan. They went out quickly and early in
the match. They kept a lot of the main guys

(28:08):
to the very end, and it was believable. It was
just fantastic booking, from the big stuff of the winners
just to the small little details that they really hit
out of the park on every single level they did.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
I mean, I can't believe I'm praising WWE this this
much because I've spent so many months critiquing about how
they've booked things, and it all just came full circle
this past Sunday with again, was it perfect? No, it's not,
but it's as perfect as you could probably realistically expect
a plan to be executed with the Royal Rumble match

(28:42):
and the perfect person won, And my god, the imagine
the reaction of Roman Reigns had walked out of there.
I mean, I guess from the reports I'm reading, Roman
Reigns was indeed actually scheduled to win the Rumble, but
it was changed somewhat last minute, as Vince McMahon is
famous for doing. And you have of Drew McIntyre who

(29:02):
ends up getting to the arena I guess that day
and confirming that yeah, you're going over, and like you said,
it did a good way to protect Brock. Yeah he
got low blowed, but it's kind of tit for tat
he low blowed Ricochet the Monday night before and then
he gets a receipt at the Rumble and then gets
Claymore kicked, and so that immediately put an established Drew

(29:25):
McIntyre as.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
The babyface, the huge babyface, kind.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Of the underdog in a way, even though as you said,
physically statued he's not, but positioning wise, over the last
year he has kind of been the underdog where you
just don't ever believe he's gonna win the big one.
And he finally wins the big one. And his speech
on raw was heartfelt. I like how he didn't just
flip to babyface. He's just kind of evolved into a babyface.

(29:52):
It's kind of weird that he hasn't had a real turn.
It's just kind of evolved into one, which I like
that that it's just evolved slowly into this babyface character.
It's just very subtly into it. And he didn't turn
and pander to the crowd and say, oh, we did it,
and we did it and all this crap that seth
Rollins just immediately flipped to doing, which I think hurt him.

(30:13):
Drew is a legitimate badass. He is a guy that
has credentials that you believe he could beat brock Lesner.
As you said, Mary, all of these all these things
add up, and plus he's had a run in WWE
before we all know he was the quote Chosen One,
and now he's truly earning that title with being the
Chosen One by winning the Royal Rumbles. So do you

(30:34):
guys have any final thoughts just on the Rumble match
itself before we move on to the actual other matches
on the card.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
I mean, I was gonna say, like the whole thing overall,
Like they started the Rumble with having Stone Cold do
the entrance and do the opening, it just made it
feel more important. It's amazing how stone Cold Steve Austin
can make something feel important even when he's not involved
in the match.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
I mean, he's the only three time whatever rumble. So
even going into it when.

Speaker 6 (31:03):
It started, you were like, Okay, this is going to
be important because I don't think that Stone Cold would
sign off on something like that if he didn't know
it was going to be a big deal.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
So yeah, absolutely with that.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
And as far as Drew goes, yeah, he didn't really
have a turn, I guess you could say, but he
was paired with the Lackeys.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
He was pair ru Dolph Ziglert all.

Speaker 6 (31:27):
Those guys, and like they removed him from that group
and then he was off TV.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
So that's a smart thing.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
Instead of having like you know, like a big show
turn or a randeer In turn, like when they just
turn right away like Seth Rollins, they did this smart thing.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
They removed him from.

Speaker 6 (31:43):
The group somehow, and it was just, you know, he
vanished from TV for a little bit, and then when
he came back, he was kind of like his own person,
Like he was on his own so they didn't really
need a reason to say, oh, well, now he's a face.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
It was smart the way that they're building him.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
I don't know where this came from, because usually they
drop the ball on stuff like this all the time,
and they will just have somebody just turned face or
for some stupid reason, but them just like removing him
from TV and then bringing him back and him kind
of just being you didn't know if he was a
good guy or a bad guy. He was just being himself.
And I think that's the character that we're seeing right now,

(32:21):
is that he is it. You don't he's kind of
a tweetener. I guess you could say that, but it's
clear that he's going to do the face going forward,
and they do they need a face for Raw. I
mean Seth Rollins tried to do it and it wasn't working.
Seth Rollins is a pure heel.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
You want to hate him. He's a rat, he's a snake,
and he.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
Does all these He works better in that kind of character.
So they're trying to find somebody to be that top
baby face all Raw and like you know Romans on SmackDown,
and you could say AJ Styles, but AJ Styles also
works better since his WW run that has gone. I mean,
he was an incredible babyface, but you know he's a

(33:01):
better heel and I love what they're doing with AJ
right now.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
So those are just like my little tidbits about the Rumble.

Speaker 6 (33:07):
I again, the Men's Rumble, really really, I was ecstatic
when Drew one. I was really ecstatic when Edge came out.
But when Drew was like, I was pacing my living room.
My friend was over. I was pacing my living room
and he and he doesn't watch wrestling.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
He just came over because.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
Everybody watches the Rumble, even if you're a casual ww
fan or not, and it's always fun.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
And I was painted and he's looking at me, and
I was like, they better not let Roman win.

Speaker 6 (33:33):
Like it's the stupidest decision they could do right now,
Like they did a lot of damage to Roman. He
should have won in twenty fourteen when he was going
up against Patissa, he had the crowd behind him, and
then all the day of Brian's stuff happened, and then
they had him win in twenty fifteen, and it just,
you know, all of them trying to make him the
top banty face went out the window. So I'm happy
that they protected him and they made a new star

(33:55):
who he's been you know, like you said, credentials. He left,
he came back, he beefed up. You know, he had
that horrible sin with three and me. Even though I
thought it was funny, he's credible now and they did
a lot of smart things in this rumble.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
It was a fantastic rubble. I have no complaints about it.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Yep. I definitely think sorry about that.

Speaker 7 (34:16):
I definitely think that, you know, this rumble had a
lot going for it, you know, I think that overall,
they just made so many surprise appearances, but none of
them kind of were drowned out by Edge. And I
think another thing that a lot of people haven't touched
on is the fact that you know, you had Beth,
Phoenix and Edge returning at the same Royal Rumble, which

(34:38):
I thought was a brilliant little move as well. It
kind of almost teased that it was going to happen
without you even realizing it when it happened. So, like
you said earlier, Anthony, you know, just so many small
details that went into getting all the big details right,
and it just felt like a master plan executed to
a tee. And although some of the little decisions along

(34:59):
the way could have been critiqued here and there, it's
like you're you're kind of picking apart something just for
the sake of picking it apart. At that point, it's
just so much of it was so great. I think
that it was just across the board, a great team
effort from top to bottom.

Speaker 8 (35:16):
Yeah, there's nothing really I can add to it. Fantastic rumble,
good lead up, matches, planted, a lot of seeds, liked
what they did with the Fiend Daniel Brian just thumbs
up across the board for de w.

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Nothing really much Schamor I can add.

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(36:21):
I know we touched a little bit on the Women's
Royal Rumble, which I didn't think was as good as
the men's. But had the men's and not been so good,
I think our view of the Women's Royal Rumble would
be a little bit higher. But you know, having Charlotte win,
it wasn't the most exciting thing in the world. I
think that having her win makes sense, but not to

(36:43):
spoil things for people, and maybe I won't, but I
will allude to the fact that how she said on
Raw that well, she was going to make her announcement
of who she was going to face at WrestleMania, what
championship she was going after, and her clue was, I'm
going after a championship. Now, for those that don't want
to hear a spoiler, I will give you the fair

(37:04):
warning now, so just skip ahead from this moment. But
what I'm hearing is that Charlotte's actually gonna be challenging
Lea Ripley for the NXT Championship at WrestleMania. So if
that is indeed the case, and again rumors are rumors,
but this seems to make sense that she alluded to
a championship and having her versus Becky Lynch isn't exactly

(37:25):
the most exciting match in the world. We've seen it
time and again. They've great chemistry, but you know, my God,
enough Bailey again, Her and Bailey. There's a little bit
more there that you can work with because they haven't
had so many matches together as her and Becky, but
it's not WrestleMania worthy. So having Charlotte go to NXT again,

(37:46):
if this is the case, to face Ria Ripley for
the NXT Women's Championship makes total sense to me, not
only from the perspective of, hey, this is this coulda
be a hell of a match and we've never seen
this before on a main stage, and the fact that
be you also have NXT itself being elevated by Charlotte
going to this brand and it's not being viewed anymore

(38:07):
as the red headed stepchild of the of the trio
of brands. It's it's legitimately Benett's own third brand. It
certainly has done that, especially after Survivors series. They've established
it as its own third brand, a true third brand,
and having Charlotte do that. If it's the case. To me,
I am all for that.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Uh that matchup if it indeed takes place.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
Okay, So I'm gonna I'm gonna chick here, so I'm
gonna talk about the women's rules that.

Speaker 9 (38:34):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
I think the women's Rumble was just as good as
the men's. The only thing there there were slight things
that took away from it. First off, where with Sasha
I still want to.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Know what happened to Sasha Banks.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
There were a couple of guys who were in the
who were supposed to be and the men's Rumble that
didn't show up Russev I can't remember who the Bobby
Lashley they were there. But besides the point we already
talked about the men Sasha Banks not being in the.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Rumble, something must have happened.

Speaker 6 (39:03):
Because I'm I hate Santino Morello and him coming out
took all the steam out of out of it.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
For me, I was enjoying that rumble full force.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
Even if Charlotte would have won, it just put a
bad taste in my mouth because you're like, really that
could like Kelly Kelly came out, and I was like, oh,
we like at least I could deal with it, you know,
because they didn't have a lot of returns. I love
the fact that there were so many NXT chicks in
there and they gave them their their light and their
shine and stuff like that. And I was waiting for Basler,

(39:34):
I was waiting for Shana, but you know, Kelly, Kelly
comes out and I groaned audiobly because she is the
old guard.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
She is the divas, she is the Bella twins, all.

Speaker 6 (39:44):
The people that like kind of you know, the and
then you got Santina more like really like just for
that spot with Beth and Natalia. They didn't need that
because you know what, going back to Beth, Beth is
the MVP of.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
That whole paper view. She split her head open and
she was.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
There to the very very end, and she looked like
a badass doing it. She was covered in blood, her
hair hold was like spaghetti with like red sauce on it.
She was impressive. It wasn't even like an old timer
like trying.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
To keep up with the new people. She was like, no,
I'm I can still go, Like let's go. And then
he came out and I was just like, the only
thing I can think of is that Sasha got injured.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
She didn't get cleared. Something happened, and they stuck him
in because he was there, and they were like, well,
we don't have anybody else. There wasn't anybody else, even
though they probably could have put somebody else in there
from NXT.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
But it was just such a huge disappointment.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
It goes back to like when Carmela won the Ladder
match and had what's this space help her?

Speaker 4 (40:46):
It's just like, why is he in there? And and
he's out of shape and he's the most.

Speaker 6 (40:51):
One of the most annoying WW characters that has ever
walked the planet. So that was that was disappointing. But
the match itself, the girls were going Bianca but bel
Air like, holy crap, dude, like she was made that night.
She was so good in the rumble, but going to
the finish, I understand what you guys are saying about Charlotte,

(41:14):
but to the point of if if she isn't going
out her after reear Ripley, who wants to see Becky
verus Charlotte again? Becky just won that match, goain to Osca.
She is now walking around saying she's a goat. She's
beat Charlotte. She there's nothing there and Charlotte is a legacy.
She is a randy or in. She doesn't need another

(41:36):
opportunity or rumble winch She's always going to be. Okay,
She's always gonna be in the main events scene. She
is probably one of the best of all time, if
not the best of all time. Okay, she beat Trish.
She's proven everything. You have sheda Basler who walks in
there at thirty, okay at thirty, and they built her

(41:58):
up as a beast.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
She is the Rock Lesnar equivalent. She's more badass than
rond Rowsy.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
If Rowsy wasn't coming out, I thought Basler was winning,
especially after the showing that they did in the fall
with NXT dominating everybody, like there was no reason for
Basler not to win. And that's how she debuts on
the main roster, like I'm here, let's go. We saw
all the mistakes they made with Oscar. They're trying to

(42:23):
redeem it right now, but you know, Oscar won the Rumble,
and Oscar should have won the championship, and then Rowsey
should have dethrown her. That's how I feel personally about it.
I understand what you were saying, like it makes sense
about Charlotte, but it also made one hundred percent total
sense for Shena to win, just like they just made Drew.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
You could have had you have a.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
Storyline with Shana. It's not like people who watch the
main roster don't know who she is. She did that
whole steit after you know, Survivors series in the Fall
where NXT was dominating and killing everybody on the main roster,
and you just look at her and you know she's
a threat. So I was really upset with the outcome,
but it didn't take away from the fact that I

(43:05):
thought it was a solid woman's rumble.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
I think it was the best out of the three
that they've had so far.

Speaker 7 (43:12):
Yeah, that was my instant reaction too, like you said,
was that it was the best of the three women's
royal rumbles that they've had so far. And although I
wasn't one behind the Charlotte as an initial reaction as
the winner, I've come to kind of accept it a
little bit more and understand that they're kind of going

(43:32):
against the grain and just leaning into the hate from
the internet for her and having another opportunity and being
given something else.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
So I can see what they're what they're angling for.

Speaker 7 (43:43):
But especially to Matt's point, you know, if they are
going to try and do Rhea Ripley versus Charlotte Flair,
then symbolically, it would have made so much more sense
in my mind, have shanea eliminate Charlotte. Have that really
bother her, that somebody from the lower quote unquote brand
of NXT beat her.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
You know, she's supposed to be royalty.

Speaker 7 (44:04):
Having somebody come in and just dispense her out like
a piece of trash could have bothered her, and it
would have made sense to kind of build to this
program of doing the NXT Championship without needing to have
her win the Rumble. So I think that if that's
the direction they're going, Although I think it'll be a
great match, they definitely could have built it a little
bit better. And you know, touching back on the other

(44:27):
aspects of the Women's Rumble, I definitely agree that the
Santino spot was so out of place.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
It's so far gone.

Speaker 7 (44:34):
You know, we talk about having retro feels from this event,
that was all the wrong types of retro feel where
it just went back and to the days of where
Kelly Kelly was doing the stripper thing on ECW when
that brand was still around, and you know, having Santino
come out in drag, you know, it just it felt

(44:56):
so out of place amongst a very kind of badass
women's Royal Rumble, where it really felt at equal weight
to the regular Rumble, to the men's Rumble, And it's
just it was so out of place and just felt
like kind of a slap in the face to all
the progress that was made in that match and how
much of a big fight feel it felt like up

(45:16):
until that moment. So it did really suck the air
out of the balloon. And I think that it didn't
help matters that, you know, nobody was really behind the
idea of Charlotte winning the Rumble, which I think is
partly the point, but it just having that so close
together was a little bit of a miss. But overall,
I think the Women's Rumble was still a fantastic one
and still the best that they've done thus far.

Speaker 8 (45:39):
Yeah, this Santina Morella thing, it just like you guys
both pointed out, it just didn't really make sense. It
didn't fit and it's too bad because you know up
here in Canada, Santina Morella, the actual guy, like he
works for a sports channel and he does this show
called Aftermath that he's actually quite insightful.

Speaker 9 (45:59):
And it was just too bad.

Speaker 8 (46:00):
They came back to do a little I guess cameo
like that.

Speaker 9 (46:04):
But all in all, I think why not.

Speaker 8 (46:06):
Too upset with Charlotte is because she was the safe
choice and they really didn't put a lot of build
into this women's Royal Rumble. I think there was only
seven or eight confirmed going in, and I understand why
because there was just so much put out, so much
ever put into the men's But you know, leading up
to this, I really didn't know who was the proper

(46:27):
choice to win the rumble.

Speaker 9 (46:28):
Unlike in years past.

Speaker 8 (46:30):
So going in with Charlotte, who's been kind of a
holding pattern for the last couple of months save for
that brief feud with Osca and Kyrie saying when she
tamed up with Becky Lynch. But you know, if they
are going in a direction where she's going to challenge
for the NXT Championship, I think that'd be pretty cool.
I think that there wasn't a correct answer for this

(46:52):
win because there just was no apparent favorite, Like I thought,
maybe Alexa Blizz could benefit from it, But I think
it at the end of the day, Charlotte's someone who
is the bona fide top dog or at least one
of them in the women's division, And even though it
may have not been a sexy choice, it probably was
the right choice when you considered where WWE was in

(47:15):
a booking perspective.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Definitely, Yeah, so boy to pile on with this this
Santina Morella thing. Maybe that's why I felt that it
didn't live up to the men's end of it. It
is simply because of the Santina spot that again, like,
what the hell was WWE doing in this day and
age when they're trying to make this women's division as

(47:39):
legitimate as I can and give them as much opportunity
as the men do and all this stuff, and then
you have, like like you were saying Mary with James
Ellsworth and Carmela, that whole thing that lasted, my god,
felt like a year, maybe two, I don't even know it.
And then you have Santina Morella come out in a
spot that felt very two thousand and it felt very nostalgic,

(48:02):
and as you said, Zach, I don't know if zachar
Anthony in a way that was all the wrong way.
I don't need to feel this way to bring up
these feelings of number one. It's not even funny, right,
It's not like I didn't laugh. I mean I said,
I actually I just said I just said, oh my.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
God, I just kind of rolled my eyes. It's not
the time nor the place.

Speaker 9 (48:21):
To do that.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
And it just it was not a good feel to
have a man dressed up as a woman.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
I know Nia Jacks came in the World Rumble last year,
and you all know how I feel about that, But
to have santinam Morella dress up as a woman and
then come back out and steal a spot from a
woman who could have legitimately had that spot, like Sasha Banks.
Although we don't even know what is to deal with her.
We don't know why she didn't participate. I've been trying

(48:50):
to scour the websites and I don't know why she
wasn't there. But for that reason, it just it put
a damper and brought the thing down. And yes, Bianca
Belair had a career night. I loved what they did
with Bianca Belair, really establishing her as a as a
main event potentially down the line, main event.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
In the women's division.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
And then yeah, of course you had Shana Basler and
she was my pick along with many others. But you
can still get to Shana Basler, Becky, you can still
get to Bailey versus Honestly, I don't even know who
at this point. The smack down side of the women
is a little bit weak, So I don't know where
they're even going with the smack down side of it,
and maybe Bailey won't even be champion by the time

(49:35):
we get to WrestleMania. But the point is the women
who needed to have a good night had a good night.
Shane Basler, yeah she didn't win, but she made it
to the end. She got eliminated, but you know, sooner
than later she is coming back to mon A Night
Raw to confront Becky Lynch, which is I think where
they're going to go with this, and so I guess

(49:57):
to kind of put a bow on the women's royal rumble.
Let me ask you guys this question as a group,
and do you think that they are hinting at turning
Becky Lynch heel. The reason I'm saying that Becky Lynch
came out on this past week on Raw in an
interview with Charlie Caruso backstage, she said that, you know,

(50:19):
she was doubting herself and then she said, I don't
know why because I'm the best and she wears, like
you said, she has a jacket that says the goat. Right,
we all know what goat is and it just she's
getting a little bit arrogant now, and to me that
I mean, she cut basically a heel promo that she's
the best, no one can beat her, She's done everything
there is to do. Who the hell as a baby

(50:40):
face gets a goat jacket?

Speaker 3 (50:42):
It just it didn't rub me the right way as
a baby face.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
So is this just Becky being Becky and we're all
supposed to love her because we all know she's the goat?
Or is this a sign from WWEE of seeds being
planted for a possible heel turned down the line.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
That's a good question.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
I don't know, now that you said it like that,
I do think that maybe that's the direction that they're going,
or she's gonna, you know, continue being this babyface who
thinks she's the best, and Shana is gonna come out
and confront her. But I just feel like Shana getting
eliminated kind of like was like, oh, she got eliminated

(51:22):
and she's not that good.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
I feel like it's shades of what they did to Osca, Like,
you know, Osca.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
How to chew your streak of being undefeated, and they
just pulled the rug out from under her.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
And you know, Shane is a two time champ in NXT.

Speaker 6 (51:40):
She's legit like Brock and Rousing, where she has an
MMA background and she's just you know, she's amazing.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
She's amazing. She's probably my favorite villain that I've seen
in a long time. I I draw to her. I
like when she beats up people. So I hope that's
the end that they're going in. I don't know what
they're doing.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
Like everybody said, I didn't really have a pick in
the Woman's Rumble, but I definitely didn't think that it
was going to be Charlotte because, as you said, she's
been in a holding pattern when I was starting to
look at everything, and me and Mad have discussed over
the last couple of weeks about you know, Sasha and
Bailey being in this tag team, and like the role

(52:25):
should be reversed, that Sasha should have the title and
Bailey should be the sidekick, because as good as Bailly
is in the ring or whatever, she's not, she doesn't
have the personality, even though like they've changed it and
I'm super happy that she's not what she was, she
just doesn't have that torch to carry, you know, she

(52:46):
is the sidekick. And I thought that Sasha was going
to win the Rumble and then turn around and challenge
Bailly for it because that made sense for me, and
it wasn't going to be like, oh, you're betraying me
or I screwed you. If if Sasha won and beat
Bailey for the title, that they would it would be

(53:08):
in a mutual agreement. At least one of them still
had the title and they were going to move forward
like that. And it was an easy way to get
the title off of Bailey to transfer it to Sasha
because Sasha has been the focus in that that tag
team or that duo that they're doing.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
So when Charlotte won, I was just like, what are
you doing?

Speaker 6 (53:27):
And I was still questioning where Sasha was and everybody,
you know, Sasha was saying she was gonna I did
she did announce that she was going to be in
the rumble, right, I'm not like misquoting and stuff.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
I don't recall her specifically saying she was going to
be in the rumble as anybody else.

Speaker 7 (53:44):
Anthony Zach, Yeah, you know, I do remember I thought
that she was announced as being one of the entrants.
I don't know if she specifically said it, but I
do remember something coming out as Sasha Banks was one
of the entrants. I don't know where it was that
I read it, but I think that it was definitely
a report that came from WWE at some point that

(54:06):
had Sasha in there.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Yeah, because I totally thought that she cut a promo
and she was saying that she was gonna win or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
I could be making things up. There's so much restlay.

Speaker 6 (54:16):
I get confused. My days bleed into each other. But yeah,
so that's that's where I stand on the whole entire thing.
I don't know what's going to go forward. I really
hope that if Sasha, I mean, I'm sorry, if Charlotte won,
that they are going forward with Rhea Ripley, because like
other than Shana Rin is the biggest badass in NXT,

(54:39):
Like she's a beast and she's proven herself, and I
hope that you know, it's probably going to go in
the direction though that Charlotte might win the NXT title,
which I.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Would think would be weird, but it would make.

Speaker 6 (54:54):
More sense for Ria to beat Charlotte and still establish
herself as a top t in.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
NXC in the women's division.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
So I don't Again, like somebody said before, there wasn't
a lot of build up for the women's rumble, so
kind of went in there not knowing who was the
favorite and stuff. And just like again, the reason why
the Charlotte thing rubs me wrong, it's because like it's
almost like.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
The Roman Marine syndrome, like they give her every opportunity.
I mean, she broke Tris Stratus's record already, and Trish
busted her asked for that record over years, Like how
how lone has Charlotte been active five six years? Like
she really hasn't been around that long and she's already
like a ten time cham So it was just baffling

(55:39):
to me that they would hand her another opportunity, But
they did the same thing with Roman.

Speaker 6 (55:44):
But Roman was a different like kind of beast. He
wasn't a I mean, he has a legacy. He is
from the family.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
He's from the family of Samoa's, but that was never
the angle with him.

Speaker 6 (55:55):
They never like kind of made that like a talking
point when they were talking about they would mention it,
but it was just more that he's room Marines, you know,
and he's got a superman punch. Charlotte, they have you know,
show down or throat that it is Ric Claire's daughter,
and Rick Claire is considered.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
One of the best of all time, if not the
greatest of all time. So it just left the bad
taste in my mouth.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
But I hope that I improved on, Like you guys
are saying, it's a smart decision and moving forward, you know,
hopefully it goes after rear replay because I don't want
to see Becky and Charlotte again like that storyline unless
they're together as a heel duo and the four Horse
Woman's storyline actually comes to fruition, I don't want to
see it anymore.

Speaker 7 (56:37):
Yeah, and if they are kind of going the direction
of making you know, Becky a heel, I guess that
it kind of can play into that a bit, as
you said, if they do make a duo or you know,
reunite the Four Horse Women as a heel stable even
I could see that being very successful, and then it
would tie in a lot of sense as to why

(56:58):
the women of an x T would kind of take
notice and want to get involved for WrestleMania. So there's
some directions they can go with this, But I think
when it comes to is Becky going to be a heel,
it's a bit of a tough question because I think
ultimately they're kind of basing a lot of her character
around stone Cold in a lot of ways, where it's

(57:20):
meant to be this tweener, you know, where he could
you know, he was always the one.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
Who could do anything at any moment.

Speaker 7 (57:26):
You know, he could hit a stunner on anybody and
just say, you know, it's because he's stone Cold. And
I think that's kind of the direction they're trying to
move towards with Becky, where they're just making her such
a badass that she's kind of above being a facer heel,
that she's just kind of a character and she's meant
to be organic, and that you don't really know what
the rules are with her, So I think that it's

(57:48):
more of them leaning into that concept than it is
a direct heel turn. So I think that it's more
of an acceptance of her as a tweener as opposed
to a kind of specific heel turn. But I think
that it plays into a lot of different programs to
go that direction. So I think it's a smart move,
even if they do decide to go full on heel
with her.

Speaker 8 (58:10):
Yeah, I think Zach hit it right on the head there,
because you know, we've seen this act before with Becky.
You know, over the summer she had a lot of
helish tendencies, specifically in a program with I believe it
was Lacy Evans, where she had a lot of you know, cocky,
arrogant promos that she cut and unfortunately, at least for
me from my perspective, I did not like that side

(58:33):
of Becky. It kind of got me annoyed. But they
kind of pulled back from that over the last two
or three months and I got back on board with Becky.

Speaker 9 (58:40):
I hope that they're not going down that road again.

Speaker 8 (58:42):
That she's always going to be very you know, arrogant
and she could do no wrong and kind of like
an anti here, like Zach said, building her like stone
cold Steve voss and like stone cold Stevosson was the
only guy who could stun Linda McMahon and still be
viewed as a babyface. It feels like that's what they're
desperately trying to do with Becky right now. I just
personally hope that's not the case, because I found she

(59:05):
came off very, very obnoxious when she did go down
that road, and almost made her come off as unlikable
to a certain extent. Now, I also do have to
understand the reason she did turn babyface was from an
organized heel turn, and that's what got everyone behind her.

Speaker 9 (59:22):
So I kind of understand that they're trying to play
off of that, But I don't know. I didn't really
like the full blown.

Speaker 8 (59:27):
Heck Becky, you know, heelish and arrogant persona she had
in the summer.

Speaker 9 (59:32):
So I hope they're not going down that road again.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
I hope not.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
I don't, you know, because like you said, there is
a fine line between charming arrogance and someone punched her
in the face. Arrogance and Becky she started to flirt
with that fence on Raw and I just maybe it
is time to kind of turn her. And you know what,
if Shanna Basler is going to be facing her at WrestleMania,

(59:58):
I could see the audience at that at that time going, Okay, Becky,
you've had your run. You know, we're ready for Shana
Basler to quote come up to the main roster, even
though it's a true third brand now, but we're ready
for her to be on a bigger stage of the
Monday Night Raw audience. We're ready for her to be
the badass. We've seen her in a w n XT,

(01:00:20):
We've seen her in front of our eyes grow, We've
seen her dominate. She's got a presence like no other.
I could see the WrestleMania audience turning on Becky.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
A little in favor of in favor of Shana Basler.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
I mean, I could absolutely see that happening with the
WrestleMania audience being very a very progressive audience in terms
of who they want next, who they think is going
to be their next quote organic star that I mean.
We've seen it with Daniel Brian, we're seeing it right
now with Drew McIntyre, and we could see it with
Shana Basler, I mean in time and again the other
thing too, the women's royal Rumble, and this will be

(01:00:54):
my final comment on it, which again.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
I really I liked it. I really did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Was Naomi's return. And you know, I tweeted this out
because I saw her come down the ramp and I'm like,
who the hell is that? Like you look at her
hair and you're like, oh right, And she looks like
if you guys have seen Austin Power, she looks like
Foxy Cleopatra, where Beyonce played a part in that movie.
She is exactly like Foxy Cleopatra. I don't know if
anyone else made that connection, but it's good to see

(01:01:22):
her back. I'm glad that she's back. I hope that
she's on the SmackDown roster, and I hope that God
knows the SmackDown needs help on the women's side. But overall, yeah,
it was a good rumble. I liked that they did,
and yeah they had Molly Holly or Mighty Molly as
she came out. It was a bit of you gotta
always have nostalgia in the match and made total sense

(01:01:42):
to me, Muddy Molly coming down.

Speaker 10 (01:01:44):
She lasted a few minutes right, and she was what
she was and it was good to see her back too,
And but it was good also from Naomi, who I
hope is a mainstay and it wasn't just.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Kind of a one off and then she goes back
into obscurity.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
But overall, yes, I I hope that indeed naomis days
and I hope that. Honestly, I don't know if I
want to see Becky go hold on to that championship
beyond WrestleMania. I mean, I think the fans are starting
to feel it be like, okay, who were Who's next?
Like we want to know what that next who that

(01:02:18):
next person will be that she hands the baton to.
And when Becky loses, it's gonna be a big deal.
And I can't see anybody more of a big deal
than Shanna Basler dethroning her at at WrestleMania. Makes to
me it has to be no nobody else other than
Shanna Basler. I just don't see another another possibility. Plus

(01:02:40):
a last thing, when you look at their Survivor series
one on one interview dated with each other, that was
I can't that made me feel so much. They had
instant chemistry with each other. They are cut from the
same cloth. I loved their chemistry. I loved their their
words for each other. They felt real, and I think
that they'll father up with this at WrestleMania.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
All right, I miss I missed, made me fun.

Speaker 6 (01:03:08):
Sorry about that hitting on Naomi real quick. Yeah, it
was awesome to see her back. I like the look
she got going on. I mean, she's beautiful anyway, but
like that's that that was kind of overlooked by Beth Phoenix. Uh,
you know, performance in the in the match, which was unfortunate,
and then the Santino Marilla thing, like you forget about

(01:03:29):
people like Naomi finally making her return. We didn't see
a Nia Jack's you know, like I said, no Sasha,
so that was kind of a big return, you know,
and we didn't I figured she was coming back in
the Rumble. So yeah, I hope that she gets right
back into the main event picture.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
She deserves to be there. She she was being awesome
and being Naomi and how she always is.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
With the Sasha Becky thing, I totally agree, but Rowsy's
looming and she put out a tweet or an instagram
I think right after the Rumble and was like you
guys thought I was returning tonight, you know, kind of
tongue in cheek like, hah, not tonight, But I'm coming.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
And I think if it isn't Basler, it's gonna be Rowsy.

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
You're gonna get rowsy versus Becky too, And hopefully there
isn't a third party involved, because there should have never
been Charlotte, like shoehorn Charlotte. That's what my brother calls her.
She should have never been in that match. But you know,
we got to get there. I don't know if Rowsie's
just gonna show up like two weeks before Mania.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
I mean, the Rock's done it, other people have done it,
so it could be something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:42):
But yeah, I could see the crowd getting behind Shana,
you know, if it was Shana Becky, because yeah, I
think the Becky runs run its course, you know, And
I don't necessarily I hope though, it doesn't turn into
like a standpunk thing because she ha is a born heel.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
She cannot be a baby face.

Speaker 6 (01:05:03):
And that's the problem, you know, just because the crowd
is cheering for Basler, it's not necessarily because they want
her to be the good guy. They just want the
other person to get out, you know. So yeah, they
want the dominant you know, machine to take her out.
It's just kind of the same thing where brock Brock's
never really been a baby face. He's had those moments,

(01:05:24):
but if you look back at it, it's because they
didn't like the other person more so they would rather
the heel take him out.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
It's the same thing that happened with punkin and Sina.
Everybody got behind Punk because they were sick of the
John Cena stuff. They didn't want him to be a face.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
But the company took that as oh, well, they're cheering
for on, let's turn face, and we all know that
like Punk can do it, but he's not in his
element if he is in a heel.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
And it's the same. I feel the same way about Shana.

Speaker 6 (01:05:51):
Could Becky be a good heel absolutely, one hundred percent,
and they need to evother her character just like they
did Seth. You know, you can't keep somebody a holding
pattern to the point where the fans start to, you know,
not like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Them, and then you should change them right away.

Speaker 6 (01:06:08):
But you know, the company, right now, we're praising them,
but it's still WW and there's still W logic so
we're gonna see how We're gonna have to see how
this plays out.

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
Yeah, I definitely agree.

Speaker 7 (01:06:19):
I think that, you know, overall, the return of Naomi
was definitely kind of overshadowed by some other moments here,
and I think that it was kind of a one
of those accepted moments of where you kind of expected
it to happen because she had been gone for I
believe it was personal reasons and things like that, so
it wasn't an injury or anything like that that was

(01:06:42):
keeping her out, So it felt like a natural place.
So I think that's kind of why it fell by
the wayside a little bit. And I think it would
have been smart too when the USO's returned to have
her return alongside or you know, the same night, kind
of similar to the Beth Phoenix and Edge situation here,
But you know, that's just Apple's and ore Is. I
guess you're kind of comparing things. But overall, I think

(01:07:04):
that they're doing a lot of the things right for
this women's division, as long as they keep kind of
trending along this way. And I think, like you said, Matt,
I think it's time that we start taking the belts
away from the four horse Women and having them play
into storylines, but maybe not necessarily be the champion anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
You know, I think that's something.

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
That bogs down the women's division a lot of the time,
where it needs to have a belt involved for it
to be a feud, and I think that's kind of
a mistake and something that's holding back that division. And
if they start to move the belts away from the
four horse Women and keep them as big names, I
think that'll do a lot of good for the division
going forward.

Speaker 8 (01:07:44):
Yeah, one person that I'd been surprised that they pulled
back on a lot is the likes of Bliss.

Speaker 9 (01:07:49):
You know, she came in first.

Speaker 8 (01:07:51):
I thought she had an impressive outing, but you know,
it wasn't too long ago that she was the face
of the raw division. And I think she was the
first woman to be the Raw and SmackDown women's champion.
It was her Charlotte Flair, but it may have been
her first. And you know, to Zach's point, I just
think it's kind of getting a bit redundant now with
like Bailey, Charlotte, Becky Rin's repeat.

Speaker 9 (01:08:12):
You know, when's the last time.

Speaker 8 (01:08:14):
That someone other than them have been you know, a
women's champion in eddie capacity, and the answer is, you know,
we're closing.

Speaker 9 (01:08:23):
In on a year ago now.

Speaker 8 (01:08:24):
You know, I believe Alexa Bliss was champion in summer
of twenty eighteen before Rousey Beater. But it's getting a
bit stale now, and I think that Bailey has suffered
not so much through no fault of her own, because
I feel.

Speaker 9 (01:08:37):
For the most part that she has really, you.

Speaker 8 (01:08:40):
Know, excelled in this character, but she's had no dancing partners,
and I feared that when they originally did this latest
rendition of the brand split, and I thought that Alexa
Bliss would be a good you know, dance partner for her,
and Lacey Evans has been an al right holding or
temporary contender, but there hasn't been any legitimate contenders on
this SmackDown side. Maybe Naomi fills that void, but I

(01:09:03):
think that they have to start exploring options to be
the face of the respective brands outside of the classic
four Horsewomen and.

Speaker 9 (01:09:12):
Then just I Sasha into it.

Speaker 8 (01:09:14):
It's kind of bizarre how she wasn't involved in any capacity.
So I mean, I feel like the women's division has
gone a little stale over the last few months, but
it's not like too far gone that they can't get
back on track leading into WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
No, they're they're definitely not too far gone, and I
think there's room for improvement, but there's a.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Lot coming down the line.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
I mean, Ronda Rousey, as you alluded to, Mary, I
did see that Instagram or tweet or whatever the heck
she put out there, basically trolling the fans that thought
she was going to return. But I read into it
the same way you read into it that it was like, hey, yeah,
you all thought it was going to return tonight, but
I'm not going to return when you think I'm going

(01:09:58):
to look out. I mean that that's kind of what
I read into it. And you know, maybe she's not
gonna return for WrestleMania. If I was gonna put my
money down, I would say probably, and the old logical
person will be Becky And then it leaves like, well,
what would Shannon Basler do? I mean, there's so many
moving parts, and don't forget there are two pay per
views between now and WrestleMania. I mean, that's how Roman

(01:10:19):
Reigns is gonna get to the fiend, right, That's how
it's gonna happen. That's how presumably Charlotte is gonna get
to real ripley there. I mean, so don't forget there
are two big stops that we have to go through
to get to Mania, and things can change in a
big way. I mean, we had one on one Becky
in Rondo, which which turned into a triple thread after
the about a month and you know, I was yelling

(01:10:42):
about that, and I'm still yelling about how stupid of
a decision that was. But nonetheless, they wanted to make
sure Charlotte can always say that she was in the
first ever women's main event of WrestleMania, which is I
think a big reason they did that. But so it's
been an hour already and we've covered two matches, So
let's I would I could talk about these two matches forever,

(01:11:02):
just because of the different dynamics that happened here. The
returns of course, the no shows as we mentioned and
alluded to with Russev and Bobby Lashley and Sasha among
Naya Jackson others, which I was very surprised about Naya
Jackson not returning. I had been calling for that for
really weeks and weeks, and I've really got my ego
bruised about that not happening, And you know, I'm okay

(01:11:27):
with her not being in it. They clearly have other plans.
From what I'm reading, she's close to or is medically
cleared already, so I'd assume that she comes back prior
to WrestleMania and it inserts herself right back into the
women's division. But all right, well, let's move on to
another match that I think somebody mentioned earlier at the

(01:11:48):
beginning of the show, and that was The.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Fiend versus Daniel Bryan.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
And I'll give my thoughts quick and then I'll toss
it to Mary and we'll go around the Invisible ta Is.
I really thought this was the best match that the
Fiend has had since he has been the Fiend. I
liked that there was no red light. I like the
the physicality of the match, the pacing of the match,

(01:12:14):
it didn't seem too long. The psychology it wasn't it
wasn't heavy on finisher, finisher, finisher, The Fiend gets up
finisher finisher. Like you know, we all know the beloved
Helen to Cell that happened a few months ago. It
was a very well devised, planned it was the ending
a little sloppy. Yeah, it was kind of clunky at
the end where he just kind of stands up and

(01:12:35):
then you know, basically you know, gives him a man of.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
A claw, you know, and good night the lights. It
was a little weird. But other than that, like, I
loved everything about.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
This match that I mean, it's the best match you
could possibly thought of you when you saw this on paper.
The only thing that I'm surprised of. I'm not disappointed,
I'm just surprised is that there was no clue into
what the weakness of the fiend is. My assumption and
this is just my assumption and to this on a
show last week, is that this could be his source

(01:13:04):
of power, could be his mask, and if you try
to be mask him or pull his mask off, then
that is that will quote weaken him. As you know,
that's my guess. That's my guess, as the mask is
maybe his weakness, or maybe they never follow up on
that whatsoever, as Rambling Rabbit talked about a few weeks
ago on SmackDown. So anyway, I like this match.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
I think I'd give a big thumbs up. Was it
a five star match?

Speaker 9 (01:13:28):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
No, I mean if I was gonna rank it, I'd
say like three to three and a half out of five.
Solid match, and I think it's time for the Fiend
to move on, or maybe he still kind of hangs
in Dania Bryan's group until Roman Reigns is ready at
elimination Chamber, which is when I think that he'll the
stars will align to finally make that program official.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Yeah, it was a solid match. I don't have any
real complaints about it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:54):
I think I liked how it seems like dang O
Bryan would first off, to go back to this saying
everybody was saying it was the red light, and.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
They got rid of the red light, so obviously it's
not that too.

Speaker 6 (01:14:07):
Like there was a spot where Bray put on the
man will call on him and he tried to get
him in an arm bar on the ropes even though
he had his hand in his in his mouth, and
that was the one moment in the match that stood
out to me because it just showed Daniel Brian's psychology,
his quickness, how he thinks, how he's always countering everything,
and that like even though he's the underdog and a.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
Lot of things, he is going to fite tooth and nail,
not to be the underdog.

Speaker 6 (01:14:32):
It was kind of more of like a rebirth for
Danie O'Brien, showing why he's Dani O'Brien. For me, I
felt like it was the first match that Bray has
had that hasn't felt like an all out squash, which
a lot of the matches as him in the Fiend Persona,
that's how it's come off. So it was a solid match.

(01:14:54):
I you know, I wanted Brian to win because I
just I don't know where they're going with dang with Bray,
whyatt I I just don't see storylines going forward with
as who's going to challenge him. Know, everybody's saying Roman Marines,
but I just have maybe it's just me, Maybe I'm
not picking up on those things. So I thought that
like Brian might get the title and it be like
a transitional thing going into Mania. But there was a

(01:15:16):
lot of history with Bray and Brian at the Rumble,
going back to twenty fourteen, which was I was watching
before the actual Rumble on Sunday. Their feuds started there
was right after you know, Daniel Brian left the family
and they had their match there, so you know, maybe
I was expecting a little more. No, But at the

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same time, it didn't disappoint me. I thought it was
a solid match. It was good showing by both of them.
You know, it showed Bray being a monster, and it
showed the quickness and the you know this liness and
everything that makes Danie O'Brien one of the best wrestlers.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
On the planet.

Speaker 6 (01:15:52):
And why he you know, shaved his head and went
back to being the dragon. So I don't have a
lot of commentary on it because I didn't heat it.
But it wasn't like, oh my god, oh it was
a solid match. It was good, and I just don't
know where they go from here.

Speaker 7 (01:16:10):
Yeah, I completely agree with a lot of your points there,
Mary where it's just like, I don't see where they're
going with the Fiend right now.

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
There's not a clear path.

Speaker 7 (01:16:20):
I actually thought this was going to be a low
light of the night, just because I thought the strap
match in general felt like a weird choice to go
with here. But I was proven wrong, and I should
just know that whenever Daniel Brian's in a wrestling match,
it's gonna be a good wrestling match. I feel like
that should just be a mental rule going into any

(01:16:41):
pay per view from now on for myself. But it
just kind of it hit on all the right notes,
but at the same time, it wasn't completely spectacular. I
think a lot of the way that the Fiend has
been handled has kind of held back the match quality
that he can have. They don't really know how to
handle him, whether they should have him just squashing people

(01:17:02):
or they should just have him have these kind of
more grueling battles, and I think they're kind of lost
in how to handle him. And I think really only
Bray Wyatt kind of knows how this character should be handled.
And I think that maybe where some of the conflict
comes in is because he's not making the choices of
who his opponents are and things like that which help.
You'll never have that kind of freedom in the WWE

(01:17:24):
in modern era. But it's just one of those things
where he does feel a little bit lost at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
And to your point too, Matt.

Speaker 7 (01:17:32):
About the weakness, I definitely thought that they could have
revealed something or alluded to something that would have made
sense as to where they were going here.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
And I think that as a counter.

Speaker 7 (01:17:42):
To the mask being his weakness, it could also be
the hurt glove that he applies the manible claw with.
That's one thing that I've kind of had in my
mind cooking up a little bit here, because he does
kind of heavily use that for symbolic purpose of what
he's intending to do. So where they're going with this,
and I know that there is some sort of plan,

(01:18:03):
but I wish that it was just a little bit
more clear at this point so we could have something
to start to sink our teeth into With bray Wyatt.

Speaker 8 (01:18:15):
I think with bray Wyatt, unfortunately he's still feeling the
effects from that god awful hell in a Cell match
with Seth Rollins back in October, where they kind of
booked themselves into a corner that he had to win
the Universal title or else he would have completely stripped
all credibility from the Fiend character, and as a result,

(01:18:37):
they put the belt on him at least in my mind,
way too soon, and he is clearly just in a
holding pattern until Roman reigns in him, at least in
my mind, inevitably clash at WrestleMania. As for Daniel Bryan
and his and the Fiends match at rod Rumble, I
thought it was good considering what it was, ILL find

(01:19:00):
that it took a back seat and has been taking
a back seat to Baron Corbin and Roman Reigns on
SmackDown for the last two months or so, and I
feel like that kind of hurt the build to the match.
Like Zach said, there wasn't a whole lot of expectations
for But in terms of the match itself, I thought
it was good. You know, Daniel Brown and Bray White
have very good chemistry in the ring. I like both wrestlers.

(01:19:24):
The ending could have been better, but all in all,
I would give it a solid, you know, seven out
of ten match, and the red lighting not being there
definitely helped. So I guess what took it away for me,
the excitement away for me heading into this match is
that I knew and I felt that it was just,
you know, a step along the way to Roman Reigns

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versus The Fiend, And there was never a real belief
for me that Daniel Brian ever had a real shot
to win the belt.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
I felt that way too.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
I felt that Daniel Bryan I was gonna put up
a good fight, that he would get closer than he
did the first time. But in his loss, we would
find out at least a bit of a some We
would salvage the moment, if you will, by finding out
something about the Fiend that is a little bit more progressive.
You'd see something, you'd learn something, and it was just
kind of business as usual. And you know, I'm okay

(01:20:16):
with that. I don't think it's getting stale just yet,
but there needs to be something we learn a little
bit more about the Fiend. And I'm fine with the
slow burn. I love slow burn. And maybe I'm just
being conditioned to WWE's style of one hundred miles an
hour and no patience with fans and all that kind
of stuff, but I'm all about the slow burn. And
if we just take a little extra time to learn

(01:20:37):
more about the Fiend step by step, so be it.
And I think that again, they're not gonna rush to
Roman reigns. And I know, Mary, you don't think that
they're gonna be going there. You don't see signs of
Roman reigns. But that's I think the whole point is
that they have been so separate for a while now
that it, I mean, it begs to have these two,
the story begs to have these two go one on one,
because who else is the Fiend gonna challenge for a championship.

(01:20:59):
I mean, look around the roster on SmackDown, look around
the field. There's not a whole lot of guys that
the Fiend could presumably go one on one with and
make it believable, especially how the poisine is, the position
of the Fiend has been immortal or just kind of inhuman,
and there has been nobody on the roster on SmackDown

(01:21:19):
anyway that you would think, oh, man, that would be
awesome to have him face so and so it's really
Roman Reigns like that is the obvious pick, and especially
around WrestleMania season. So all right, guys, well, in the
interest of time, I'm gonna I'm gonna move on to
the next match here, and I'm actually gonna touch on
Seamus and Shorty g or as I like to call him,
Chad Gable, Seamus and Chad Gable. You know what, I

(01:21:43):
thought that this match honestly was exactly what it was
going to be. It was going to be a match
in which Seamus comes out on top number one, which
I think was the right decision based on where they
see Seamus going, and that it's a stepping stone for Seamus.
So I think having shortyg, having Chad Gable go in

(01:22:05):
there and do what he does his entire career in WWE,
put up a good fight, get the crowd invested, just
put on a clinic in terms of actual wrestling. Ultimately
to just come up short with a couple of hope spots.
That's ben his gimmick. That's what he does, and it's
not surprising he lost here. I've kind of come to

(01:22:27):
the reconciliation that WWE is not going to do anything
major with Chad Gable, so I'm just fine. I'm fine
with them at least using him in a role that
is that is not quite to that top tier or
even that mid top tier, but as a guy that
is a gatekeeper and can have a good match with anybody,
and he's a good hand, and he can bring an

(01:22:50):
audience in and make the guy he's working with look
like a million bucks. You know, if that's the role
he's been designated to.

Speaker 9 (01:22:56):
So be it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
It's better than him being on like two or five
Live or an event or just kind of in the
abyss of nowhere. So if this is as far as
he'll go, then I've accepted it. As far as Seamus goes,
I think that this this program is over, and I
think that Seamus is moving on to bigger and better things.
Who that may be, I don't know, But overall, I
think this match was exactly the way that we thought

(01:23:19):
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Going to play out.

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
To be honest, I like caught like a little bit
of this match, so I don't have that much input
about the technicality of the match.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
As far as characters go, you know Seamus is going
to end up.

Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
Back in the main event scene. I've been saying since
he returned, though, is kind of falling flat. He went
back to his old look, but he's still kind of
in the character that he took on when he had
the mohawk.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
I really don't know what they're doing with him. I
don't think they know what to do with him.

Speaker 6 (01:23:51):
Chad Gable, it's interesting that you're saying this because he
is he is a technical wrestler. He is in the
veins of Kurt Angle and Shelton Benjamin, and he's one
of those collegiate athletes.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
But he's also being built as the ultimate underdog. I mean,
he's kind of in the same position with that Daniel.

Speaker 6 (01:24:10):
Bryan was in Daniel Brian though had a lot more wins,
and they they didn't give him a crappy gimmick with
Shorty g which is just insulting the Chad Gable in general.

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
I mean, they did take Brian and put him in
the Wyatt family when they shouldn't have, and they had
that whole thing going. But I wouldn't count him out
necessarily yet, because.

Speaker 6 (01:24:35):
When an underdog starts making ways and you know, like
people get behind him, sometimes that spark happens and the
company does get behind them and they'll have faith with him.
I just think they don't know what to do with
his character, and they're straying away from the typical Kurd
angle angle or the Shelton Benjamin angle that you know,

(01:24:56):
he was a collegiate athlete and he was a wrestler.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
You know all that. That's that those guys have done
it because they don't want to do it again, and
like that's kind of been you know, put on those guys.
Those are the guys who who carry that torch or
that that gimmick.

Speaker 6 (01:25:11):
So I don't know what they're gonna do with him,
but I wouldn't count him out yet because he's got
the underdog thing going for him. And I think at
some point he might have a breakout moment where the
crowd really gets behind him. But that all depends on
if they put him on TV enough and people get
familiar with him enough, and.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
You know, he has a one two three kid moment,
you know, like not to like throw way back, but
you never know. He has the talent.

Speaker 6 (01:25:39):
He's good. I think he has a good look, even
if he's a small dude. And we've learned in the
last ten years, thank God, that your size doesn't really matter.
It matters about your heart and your talent. So those
are those are my opinions about.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
That whole match.

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
Of course, Seamus was gonna win. He's a main eventor
he's been a main eventor or he's a triple h guy.
But I don't know what either character or what holds
for them in the future. I just hope that Chad
is Seamous will be safe, He'll be fine. I just
hope Chad Gable doesn't, you know, fall to the realms
of a Drew McIntire or Ginger more Hall where they

(01:26:19):
have to go away and then come back and then
prove themselves or it turns into an EC three thing,
like he's in a very precocious position. I don't know
if that was the right word, to use wrong words
all the time, but I wouldn't count him out yet.

Speaker 7 (01:26:35):
Yeah, and I'm kind of glad you brought this one up, Matt,
because I remember a few months back when I was
first starting this podcasting thing too, when we were talking
about Chad Gable when he was still Chad Gable, and
I mentioned the rumors that they would move to possibly
renaming him Shorty G.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
And we both kind of had a laugh about.

Speaker 7 (01:26:55):
It and said, you know, that seems like something WW
would do, but we don't think they're that stupid. And
yet here we are, you know, months later, talking about
Shorty G getting his face kicked off by Seamus on
the pre show. I mean, it all has kind of
come to full circle here. But I think that, as
Mary said, you know, he does have that ultimate underdog feeling.

(01:27:16):
I think where they're kind of messing up is that
they're trying to make him a little too gimmicky with that.
I think him coming back in the he reminded me
of Melvin the Superhero from Jeff Dunham's act if you
ever seen Jeff Dunham where it's just he's.

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
In the shiny blue and green.

Speaker 7 (01:27:34):
It just was a horrible character move in my opinion,
with how they renamed him shortyg and tried to make
it seem like he actually came up with that name,
which was just obnoxiously laughable.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
It just made no sense to me.

Speaker 7 (01:27:49):
And I think that, you know, it was a little
weird too, having Shamus, you know, make his inbring reappearance
on the pre show. I know they're trying to kind
of condition the idea that the pre show is a
part of the pay per view just as much as
the main card, but it still has that feel of
if John Morrison can get a re debut on SmackDown,

(01:28:09):
why is Seamus stuck to the pre show of the
Royal Rumble and not even make an appearance on the
card if it's gonna be a squash match, you know,
opening the card with it or something so that it
doesn't feel like so much of an afterthought. And like
to your point, Mary, they just don't seem to really
have much of a direction for him. It's just kind
of like they're like, oh, right, we're supposed to get
Shamus back out there, so let's show him in the

(01:28:31):
ring at the beginning of the rumble and do it
that way.

Speaker 9 (01:28:35):
Yeah, it just seems like.

Speaker 8 (01:28:36):
Kind of a pitched out for Seamus for bigger and
better things to you know, ease him back in. It
doesn't feel like Shorty G has a whole lot to
gain from this particular feud. You know, I touched on
it last time, was on the show that I think
that's Seamus and bron Strowman would be perfect dancing partners
for one another, preferably with the Intercontinental Championship or something

(01:28:57):
along those lines, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:28:59):
Shorty G.

Speaker 8 (01:29:00):
Unfortunately, he really picked up steam during the came of
Ring Tournament as Chad Gable, and then they just put
their paws on it and really just derailed all of
his momentum. I just feel like it's not the worst
thing in the world. You know, there's worst spots for
Chad Gable to be. But unless he goes back into
another tag team where he's had success in the past,
whether it be with American Alpha or Bobby Rude or

(01:29:23):
Shelton Benjamin. Unless he's in a tag team, I really
don't see SHORTYG or Chad Gable or whatever rendition of
him you want to go with. I don't see him
being relevant in any kind of title picture. I think
he would only be on TV in such a role.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Probably not, And yeah, it's more likely that he just again,
he's just kind of the feel good underdog that likes
to make sure that everyone embraces who they are and
it's that feel good PG message and I just I
don't know, I have that feeling that they're just this
is nothing more than a stepping stone for Shamus. I mean,
I just don't believe that that after this, that Seamus

(01:30:02):
is going to not go anywhere after this victory. I
think that Vince McMahon has always kind of had a
liking for Seamus. I think that's just kind of the
way that it's been and for Chad Gable. I mentioned
this on a show with Ashley that I did last
week in our preview show for the Rumble, that the
WWE has a habit of just taking guys who organically

(01:30:22):
get over and they don't have anything flashy. It's just
kind of a straightforward, you know, in ring prowess type
of I have a presence in the ring and I
can tell an awesome story and they're organically getting over
in WWE says, oh, hold on a second, we're going
to fix this, and then they throw some crappy gimmick
on it that is over the top and they think

(01:30:43):
everything has to be cartoonish and flashy colors and all
this stuff, and it completely just negates all the progress
that that person has made organically getting over when they
put the WWE spin on it. And I say that
in quotes, it seems like that every time fix this
and it's like, no, no, that's the thing. You're it's

(01:31:04):
not broken, right, And that's what it feels like to
me with the with with Chad Gable, Chad e fing Gable.
I'm not gonna say shortage. I hate myself every time
I say it. So moving on again. In the interest
of time, I have to move on to the next
pre show match of Andrade Versus. Oh God, why am

(01:31:27):
I losing it? I'm sorry Andrade Versus. Somebody pick me
up here? Why am I losing it?

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Humbertoto geez Umberto Korea, who they also have written off
on Andrada was written off on Monday Night Raw.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
We all know now due to a well thirty days
suspension from the wellness policy. So that was interesting that
he was written off this past week for a full
week absence from Mondonette Raw for a wellness violation. Again,
everyone here here's that, and they go, oh, steroids, like
that's what the outsiders of RUST think. Probably it could

(01:32:01):
be just a overuse of pain pills or you know,
muscle relaxers or something that shouldn't be in systems. It's
not always steroids. It's what everyone points to. But nonetheless,
he's gone for thirty days, but he still has the championship.
And I think that's interesting to me. And I'll get
to rumble match in just a second, but it's interesting
to me on the wellness perspective. Typically when somebody gets

(01:32:23):
suspended that they'll either drop the championship or embarrass.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Them in some kind of way before that they go out.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
I mean, look what they did with Robert Rude, who
got literally buried by Roman Reigns with the announced table
a number of weeks ago on SmackDown before he was
knocked for his thirty day wellness violation. And yes he
got his head ddted on the concrete by Umberto Carreo.
And I love the ways Elena Vega sold it. She
is so effing money it's not even funny, how awesome

(01:32:51):
and how much she adds to his character. But I'm
glad they didn't take the title off him. They looked
at the bigger picture and said, yeah, he's gonna get
ding for this. Write him off, he'll come back in
four weeks. This is his first violation. I'm glad that
they didn't just say, no, we're gonna cut off our
nose to spite our face, and we're gonna we're gonna
show you. It's the bigger picture here. But the match

(01:33:12):
at the Royal Rumble I thought was really good. These
guys took some crazy bumps. I you know, some of
them made me cringe in a way that it's like,
oh my god. And I expected them to put the
X sign up. They busted their ass. I'm Berto Careo
coming out on top makes total sense. I'm on board
for it. It was really more about I'm bertil Careo
getting a rub from the spotlight and getting this is

(01:33:36):
really his biggest match to date. It's a pre show,
but this is his biggest match in his career. Was
the pre show of the Royal Rumble. It was about
just showing that he can hang. He can certainly hang.
I like what I see with on Berto Careo. I
also liked on Monday Night Raw the fire that he
showed after Zelena Vega interfered and he didn't just go
aw shucks, you know, and he just kind of walks

(01:33:56):
up the ramp. He showed fire on MONDAYNT Raw by
beating the hell out of out of Andrade and laying
him out.

Speaker 5 (01:34:03):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
That's what I want to see from a babyface.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Doesn't always have to be saying vitam or say your prayers,
take your vitamins and kissing babies. This showed he showed fire,
and I did not expect that, and I like that.
So all right, well your turn, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
There's a couple of moving Parson parsones.

Speaker 6 (01:34:20):
I'm gonna be merry. Uh One, what about the thirty
day not defense, Like, he's not going to defend this
title for thirty days. Everybody forgets that, but they only
use it when they want to use it, which whatever. Two,
he's not going to lose the title because he's getting
Charlotte Flair.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
Three yeah, wellness policy.

Speaker 6 (01:34:37):
If he's using steroids, they're terrible steroids. It's got to
be something else. But as far as Umberto and andrad
androti is what they wanted Alberto del Rio to be.
Even though Alberto del Rio could speak better English than
Andrade ken he is a Spanish superstar that they wanted

(01:35:00):
to represent the Hispanic community and they got it. You know,
they've had so many hits and misses. I mean, Raymisterio's back.
But Ramassia at this point is a Hall of Famer
and he I saw an interesting conversation the Ia asking
like where would you rank him in the Hall of Fame,
and people kind of like don't or greatest of all time?

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
They don't rank him in because he's a lucid or
and he's a smaller guy.

Speaker 6 (01:35:22):
I mean, the man's had a fantastic cur and he's
still firing on all cylinders with all the surgeries that
he's had.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
So they've been trying to fill the mysterio void for
a long time and they thought it was del Rio.
And del Rio is a scumbag, and I will say
that right off the bat. I hate him. He did
nothing for me.

Speaker 6 (01:35:41):
His whole gimmick, even when he had the announcement like
he's just terrible. So they found it Andrades. So I
just kind of feel like Andrada is untouchable right now.
He is the face of their Spanish People division, whatever
you want to call it, of the WWA Humberto.

Speaker 4 (01:35:59):
I don't know what lot about him. I didn't even
know he existed until he started doing spots on the
main roster. I guess he was in NXT originally. And
he's kind of like the equivalent to.

Speaker 6 (01:36:11):
Sinkara, who they thought Sinkara was going to be it
and mysterio and you're right, he showed guts. I just
don't understand, I mean, I understand why they didn't strip
the title of them or anything like that, because, like
I said, they want him to be the face of
the division, and he's doing a hell of a job.
And Zelena, I mean, I've met Fia a whole bunch

(01:36:32):
of times in real life. She's awesome, and she's a
hard worker, and she's just got the thing. Man, She's
got the same thing that AJV had, you know, she
just has it when it comes to the MIC and
her personality and her presence and enhancing the male talent
when there needs to be enhancing, and she can go too.

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
So it was a great match.

Speaker 6 (01:36:52):
I'm glad he beat him up and he didn't walk
away with his tail between his legs because they need that.
They want that focus to get their demo graphics for
you know, that type of nationality and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
And they're good guys and it once.

Speaker 6 (01:37:07):
Against proves just like Oscar has been proving the Vince McMahan, Oh,
I can't understand you in promos doesn't mean crap. As
long as they're putting on a show and they're telling
their storytelling through you know, their characters and their personality,
it doesn't have to come down the language. So those

(01:37:28):
are my feelings about it. I didn't again, I was
in and out during the pre show, so I didn't
really catch your magic. Caught the stuff on Monday Night Raw,
and I like the way that they executed it.

Speaker 7 (01:37:39):
Yeah, you know, I definitely agree to your point, Mary
that it's it's aimed at the Hispanic demographic and they're
definitely looking to try and fill the void that Ray
Mystereo and Eddie Guerrero have left behind.

Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
And I think that in a way, this Andrade.

Speaker 7 (01:37:57):
Suspension can be a blessing in disguise because I I
think there was some teasing with the idea that Zelena
could switch her loyalties over to Humberto when he was
kind of getting in the way of Andrade and proving
himself a little bit. And I think that they have
a fantastic chemistry. So if they do return Andrade, I

(01:38:18):
could see it being in some sort of capacity where
they set up a tag key match at WrestleMania, where
you have Andrade and Umberto taking on Ray Mysterio and
his son Dominic. I think there's a lot of different
ways they can go with this. That would be my
personal fantasy booking option. But I think that really Humberto
and Andrade are kind of showing what it takes to

(01:38:41):
be the ones to fill those shoes that you know,
Ray and Eddie have left behind, to take that Spanish
community and really involve them in the product. And I
think that eventually they should expand out and not just
be you know, oh, Spanish wrestler one versus Spanish Wrestler two.

Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
But I think that will come with time.

Speaker 7 (01:38:59):
And I think that having that actual face off with
Ray Mysterio and maybe his son Dominic, having that kind
of blow off with those three will definitely do a
lot of good for that and then they can kind
of move on and be a part of the regular picture.
But I think that their chemistry has been fantastic, and
every time you get those two in a ring, it
ends up being a good match. So I think they're

(01:39:19):
doing a lot of right things with what they did
with this.

Speaker 8 (01:39:24):
Yeah, I'm personally not a fan of Humberto Kreo. Like I,
this week kind of changed me a bit more in
a positive direction, But I just really found him vanilla
and the matches are good, but I maybe just as
suckered for good storytelling. I felt like a lot of
it played way too much on just the nationality part
of just pushing the Latino narrative. And like that's great

(01:39:46):
and I like it, and I found that Ray Mysterio
and Andredny had a lot of good matches, but I
just I want something more to it than just nationalities colliding.
You know, there has to be a bit more meat
to this trailine to draw me in. As for and
Roddy and the wellness policy, I think it is a
good move by w Ree not stripping the belt off

(01:40:07):
of him because they do clearly have big plans for
him moving forward into the future. I actually read today
that Paul Hayman really likes Handrati and plans to push
him even further. So aside from the fact that the
match itself I wasn't too intrigued with and wasn't overly
excited for, they have planted seats to go in a
whole lot of different directions for exciting storylines down the road.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
In the health and I'm looking forward to what they
have to bring to the table in regardless of whatever
reason that they're keeping on Rada the champion or pushing him,
whether it's nationality or not, the fact that this guy
can perform, this guy is the real deal inside the ring,
and we all agree with Zelena Vega adds just so
much to his character. And I think I can say

(01:40:54):
in uison that we are glad that, you know, while
they tease Zelena Vega and her loyalty being swayed, I
am at least anyway I know I said the we collectively,
but that they did not decide to split these two up.
I think that they go together so well. And Selena,
what she adds to his character is is just so

(01:41:15):
much personality. She adds that element that it's that extra
layer that he needs in order to get to that
next level. He has somebody that can can help him
cheat to win. He's a he's a heel. Selena in
her own right, has a hell of a presence. Aj
Lee is a great comparison.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
She just has that it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
She can cut a promo better than half the women
on the roster. She has the presence, the way she speaks,
it's believable. Yeah, she's she's really good to look at.
But you don't you don't really think about that part
of it, particularly because and I also mentioned this at
some point last week that this is a professional relationship

(01:41:55):
between Andrade and Selena. This is not any kind of
romantic relationship or teasing romantic relationship. This has been one
hundred percent business the entire time that they've been together.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
And I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
I love that dynamic that you're not even thinking that
these two are secretly dating, right, I mean, we all
know it's actually Charlotte, but in storyline world, you're not
actually you're thinking that. You're thinking that Zelena is truly
interested in making sure that Andrade comes out on top.
He does whatever he needs to win. And Selena Vega
is one hundred percent invested every single move in a match.

(01:42:26):
I mean the camera pans to her every thirty seconds
because it's worth seeing because she is just such on
the roller coaster of ups and downs with every move
in the match. And Andrede you know, when he gets
knocked down, she looks concerned. When he's about to win, she's,
you know, up in arms. I love her roller coaster
of emotions. They're not overdone cartoonish, They're just perfect to heal,

(01:42:47):
manager ish, if that's a thing, and I love everything
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
These two are. I love where they could go.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
I think United States Championship is a place that he
could live for quite some time. But I certainly could
see him in the WWE title picture, maybe even a
year from now, maybe sooner, but probably a year from now.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
I think he'll be.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
Fully ready and fully developed into this ww world to
challenge for the w W Championship.

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
So I hates to keep doing this, but again, amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
Can I just chime in real quick?

Speaker 6 (01:43:19):
Going back, I think it was Zach who said it
the business aspect, like with Zilina, Like you know, it's
not a romantic thing. I truly believe that she could
start like a faction, you know, and be recruiting people.
I don't know if she's going to betray Andrade because
she has been so loyal to him, so she could

(01:43:39):
turn into I mean, she's got the chops, man. I mean,
she's amazing. Like you're saying, she could be like the
next Missy Hyatt. She could be the next you know, Sonny.
Who's to say that she doesn't start, you know, gathering
these people to dominate the whole entire you know, the roster.

Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
At some point that was just quick thought. Why we're speaking.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
I didn't think about that with her as a faction. Yeah,
she could be a faction leader, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
I mean, when's the last time we saw a women faction,
like a legitimate Now I'm talking riot squad. It doesn't
count like a legitimate women's faction that you I don't
know the last time that's been done.

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
I'm talking legitimate.

Speaker 6 (01:44:15):
I'm not even talking about women though, I'm talking about
a woman manager having guys, you know, like she could do,
say like like she adds so much to Androtty's character.
She is Paul Haman to brock Lessner, you know, because
there is there is a language problem sometimes, but you know,
it doesn't matter to me. I don't care about that stuff.

(01:44:37):
I love Oscar screaming in Japanese and everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
It makes me laugh. It shows that she's vicious. It
just I think she's like part of the yakuza when
she does it. But I'm just saying, having a woman,
have you know.

Speaker 6 (01:44:49):
Her, her her guys, and she is Paul Haman to
brock lessener to Andrade.

Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
It's it's the same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:44:57):
She's a mouthpiece and I really feel that she could
do that if she wants to, instead of like going
after all these Spanish guys except the old Guard, like
Mysterial and what have you, you know, start getting all
the Spanish guys together and have her clients help because
she is the business manager.

Speaker 9 (01:45:15):
Just quick thoughts, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:45:17):
And to your point too, Mary, that that's kind of
the thought process that I have behind the Umberto, you know,
joining forces with Zelena, because you could see that kind
of spark in her eyes of thinking of recruiting him.
And I think exactly what you were saying, you know,
having a stable would suit her so well because she
is such a good mouthpiece. And to your point, too, Anthony,

(01:45:37):
I do feel that Umberto has been rather vanilla. He's
kind of just kind of been the hang around the faces,
And oh yeah, I agree with that point. He doesn't
really chime in or have any personality to him yet.
He just kind of does what a face should do
without any real rhyme or reason to where he's building to.
So having him have a heel turn and joins Elena

(01:45:59):
and maybe attack Stereo in dominic or something like that
instead of helping, I think that would be a brilliant
way to evolve his character and to evolve Zelena's involvement
in the roster and really lead to something bigger and
better for everybody involved.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
All right, Well, if.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
If you guys are satisfied on that point, which is
a good point, I honestly, you know, like thinking about that.
I never thought of Selena as a stable leader, but
that is a Hey, Zelena, There's more to Zelena than
what's on the surface right now. I don't think we've
seen her full potential yet, And if she, I think
it would do her, you know, it would do her

(01:46:37):
disservice if she remains for her career as just the
manager Touondrade, I need. I want more from her, even
if it's as the women's champion, right, I mean, even
if she becomes a women's champion on SmackDown or Raw,
at some point I could see that she can go
in the ring. I don't think that she is as
I guess polished, if you will, as like Becky or Charlotte,

(01:46:59):
as the you know, some of the top women. But
she certainly I'd love to see her his champion and
then and then maybe even have a stable of her own.
But if she's gonna be the mouthpiece for a stable
of the you know, Hispanic men or whatever maybe they
call law familia, it wasn't that like something any Guerrero
did was lat familiar, and that's ringing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
A bell with me.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
So yeah, she could definitely do something like that. There
is so much untapped potential there that if they don't
dig into what she's truly capable of, they're missing the
boat because there's so much sitting there and on Dry's
roping the benefits right now. He's good in his own right,
but without Zelena he feels naked out there. There have
been times when Zelena has been either injured or just

(01:47:37):
not there and she comes down to the ring and
you're like, oh, like this doesn't feel right.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
Where's Selena?

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
And you don't normally feel that with a manager, like
you know, I'm not a great comparison, but when Leo
Rush wasn't there with Bobby Lashley, it was like nah,
like right, I mean, you don't care as much. But
so anyway, moving on, and I really want your guys
thoughts on this too. Is Roman Reigns and King Corbin
with a false County were a matt my quick thoughts
on this is. I mean, like I said on Twitter,

(01:48:06):
it was a hard hitting match, that it was a
very physical match. It was kind of what you expected.
But I feel like it was just another SmackDown match,
Like it didn't hold a whole lot of weight to it.
There wasn't really much on the line, and yeah, you
had the predictable interferences with Dolg Zigler, Robert Rude and
the USOS, so that was really no shocker there.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Eventually Roman gets the spear for the victory.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
And you know, hopefully this program is over.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
I would think that it is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
This one didn't stand out to me as like, oh
my god, you know, I put this in the top
three not even close to me this and it wasn't
a terrible match. It was just kind of like it
felt like a SmackDown rerun.

Speaker 4 (01:48:49):
I disagree with you for Ardes. I felt it was.

Speaker 6 (01:48:57):
An actual Paul's count anywhere, like they've they've held back
so many times on these gimmick matches where they don't,
you know, go full throttle.

Speaker 4 (01:49:07):
I liked how they used the arena.

Speaker 6 (01:49:09):
They were in a baseball stadium, so it wasn't like
it was just backstage and somebody getting popcorn thrown at themselves, so,
you know, stupid stuff that they've done in the past.
They they legitimately, you know, went through the arena. They
were using, you know, the tarps. I made a Houston
Astros joke during the pay per view. I was like,
who's gonna start banging on on on garbage cans topical humor?

Speaker 9 (01:49:33):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:35):
I liked it.

Speaker 6 (01:49:36):
I thought it was good. I thought it was a
good grudge match. I don't know if this is the
end of it. I hope it's the end of it,
because like I'm so wishy washed you with this Baron
KORbin thing, because he's doing exactly what he's supposed to
be doing like, I can't stand him.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
He's annoying.

Speaker 9 (01:49:53):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
The dog food thing was just grinding my gears, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:49:56):
And then like see him Punk came out and said
that he liked it because it was like traditional fucking
old ohn. Sorry, I didn't mean the curse traditional old
school wrestling, but like, I don't know, I liked it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
I thought the involved.

Speaker 6 (01:50:08):
I mean, we knew the USOS and we knew Dolph
and FABERI were getting involved.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
But it added to it. And it's adding to that
stable that I've.

Speaker 6 (01:50:20):
Been pushing for months with the USOS and Rains and
despite them not being heels, that they have the bloodline
and them getting you know, all the Simoan people together,
and you could throw Naomi in there too if you
wanted to another you know, even though she's not Simoan,
she's married into the family.

Speaker 4 (01:50:39):
I love that aspect. I think that him being.

Speaker 6 (01:50:43):
With the USOS on a regular basis, and the USOS
are the USOS. They're a solid tag team, they're awesome,
they have great spots. Granted, you know, outside they've they've
they've had some problems, but like whatever their favorites, their legacy,
it really adds to Roman's redemption story, Like it takes
away from the fact that he was sick and he

(01:51:03):
came back and we're not using that as Oh, that's
why we like him.

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
Now he's like part of something that's bigger.

Speaker 6 (01:51:10):
Than him, and it's not just the focus of him,
because he can't just focus on him when the ussos
are involved, because what are they? Six time champs, seven
time champs, Like, I don't know, they might be a
tag team forever, but you know, maybe they couldn't do
solo runs.

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
But I feel like the three of them together, it's
just it feels better.

Speaker 6 (01:51:31):
It's you're invested in it because you want to see
like this family storyline and them have him backs and
like now that the shield is like completely you know,
obsolete because Dean Ambrose is gone and he that was
that was Rain's brother, you know. Seth Rawlins has always
been shaky with everybody because he was the trader, he

(01:51:51):
was the judas.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
But I I don't know, I loved the match. I
thought it was good.

Speaker 6 (01:51:56):
I thought it was a good falls count anywhere match.
I love, Like there was the one spot I don't
remember where it was where they were out and ring
and they went through like some kind of table and
I screamed like holy yes, like I was invested in
the match. And Corbin has this like this just grating
thing where you want to see him get beat even
by Roman Reings. Even if you don't like Roman Rens,

(01:52:19):
Baron Corbin has been a good dance partner with him,
because you actually hate Baron Corbin more than you hate
Roman Rins, despite whatever you think about Roman Marines.

Speaker 7 (01:52:28):
Yeah, and I agree with a lot of your points
about about Roman and about the USO's Mary, but I
do kind of tend to fall more on the side
of Matt with this one as far as the match
itself goes. And I don't think that it's anything about
the match itself that was particularly bad. I think it's
just the feud itself was so poor and the build

(01:52:49):
up was so poor, And it really did make a
lot of sense as a grudge match and having it
be the blowoff, but it just didn't feel like there
was any build to it. And I think maybe too,
it also was a little bit of the syndrome of
being on the Royal Rumble card. It felt so less lesser,
and maybe if it was on a different pay per
view it would have felt like a bigger deal. But

(01:53:09):
having this false count anywhere match, which was done very
well and they did a lot of great spots and
used the arena quite nicely, I just felt like the
whole time that I didn't feel invested in it. And
I think that's exactly where the disconnect comes, and I
think where a lot of people are kind of ignoring
the match quality, which was very good because WWE kind

(01:53:29):
of forced our hand and made us not like it
because the build up was so bad. I'm completely agree
with you, too, Mary about I understand that Baron Corbin
is supposed to be a heel and I'm supposed to
hate him, but I just can't seem to get invested
in him versus Roman Reigns anymore. And it's a lot
to do with his character, and I think they need

(01:53:49):
to find a fresher way rather than just having him
kind of poke the bear with the bigger fish in
the sea. And I think that it's just time that,
you know, they find a way to reinvent Baron Corbin.
And I really hope and pray that this is the
end of the feud and this is where it all ends.

Speaker 9 (01:54:09):
Yeah, I mean, I didn't mind the match.

Speaker 8 (01:54:12):
It was okay. I was expected that Roman Reigns would
go over. I lean more on the side with mattis
Well here and use Zach in the sense that it
did just kind of feel like a main event of SmackDown.
It was a very good match, but the payoff did
kind of fall flat a bit. I do think it's
undisputedly the end of their feud and their program, because

(01:54:36):
if you realize they didn't even have an interaction in
the rumble, I think Corbin was out by the time.

Speaker 9 (01:54:42):
I think they are officially done with it, you know,
as a whole.

Speaker 8 (01:54:45):
I didn't mind this program between the two of them.
I feel like Baron Corban has slowly starting to find
his own here.

Speaker 9 (01:54:53):
But it just I hope that it's not a one
and done with him.

Speaker 8 (01:54:56):
You know, we've seen him many times where like, you know,
they push a guy heavily and.

Speaker 9 (01:55:01):
Then that's it and good night to lights.

Speaker 8 (01:55:02):
I think that there's a place for Corbyn beyond Roman Reigns.
I thought maybe if he could get back in the
scene of the Inner Connel Championship picture, But I mean,
all in all, I wasn't, you know, enthralled with the match.
It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't something that I was
expecting after months and months to be the payoff.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
So wow. We agree or disagree on some of these opinions,
which is good. And Mary seems to definitely be the
protagonist in terms of loving liking this match much more
than the rest of us did. But again, I think
it's because maybe that the rest of the world rumble
was so damn good. Also, we look back at in retrospective,

(01:55:46):
you know, I mean, you stack the matches up, this
one was just kind of like, it's kind of ho hum,
and I understand that, you know, this is truly a
full of false count anywhere match. It certainly was, and
they lived up to that stipulation, no doubt, but it
kind of also made Romans while he did win, the
fact that he had the ability to make any stipulation
in the world, and he decides, with all the interference

(01:56:07):
that's that he's been dealing with over the past few months,
he decides to have a false ken anywhere match in
which he could be outnumbered easily, even.

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
If the US has come to his aid.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
You know, Baron Corby's got a lot of other men
at his disposal instead of deciding to say, hey, let's
put ourselves in a cage match where it's just you
and I and there can be no interference. And yeah,
there can be interference in cage matches, but at least
the logic would be there to not make him look
like a dufust for basically making the stipulation that would
open him up to be the most exposed to outside interference.

(01:56:37):
But nonetheless, it was an okay match. And I think
that they have moved on and the real test here
is going to be for Rowan Rains as a babyface.
He has now eliminated Edge from the Royal Rumble again.
Edge was really meant to go into a program with
Randy Orton, which we've now seen and that's fine, but
we've I don't know, if I was WWEE, I'd be

(01:56:57):
starting to be a bit concerned about this Roman Reigns
babyfaced character that they've done so well with over the
last year of mitigating Booze. With him eliminating Edge, he's
now out of the program with Baron Corbin. He gets
into the program presumably with the Fiend. We haven't seen
it again. I hate that it's still presumption. But where
does Roman Reigns go after this program into you know,

(01:57:22):
from somebody that the crowd organically and truly dislikes of
Baron Corbin into somebody maybe that isn't as disliked. Does
the Roman Reigns factor? Does the Roman Reigns fever or
sickness come back to the fans and they say, no, oh, yeah,
this is why I don't like this guy. That's right.
He was with Corbin for a while out of the

(01:57:43):
title picture doing his own thing. Comes back from cancer, yay,
everyone's happy for him, and then he gets shoved into
a program with somebody, maybe the fiend, or maybe a
month or so away from that. But maybe the.

Speaker 3 (01:57:55):
Feelings are starting to come.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
Back and we're contracting the coronavirus and going, hey, yeah,
this is why we don't like Roman race. Could you
see maybe some regression in a crowd response. We'll get
an answer maybe Friday night.

Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
But what do you guys think?

Speaker 6 (01:58:10):
It keeps remuting me. I'm sorry, I don't know how
to use a computer. It's twenty twenty. There's a couple
of days like as far as the card goes, I
still think the Bailey match was worse than this match.
The Bailey match did absolutely nothing for me. Agreed my
personal opinion. As much as Lacy Evans has kind of
grown in the last couple of months, she was still

(01:58:32):
super sloppy. It was really quick, and I knew that
Lacey wasn't going over. Like there was no way that
Lacy was winning that title. And that's why, like the
whole Sasha thing that we talked about earlier was just
you know, papasture or like I was just dumbfounded because
I didn't know where.

Speaker 5 (01:58:48):
She was.

Speaker 4 (01:58:50):
As far as Roman with the baby face stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:58:54):
It's like, now that we got Drew McIntire, I think
there is more leg room for if this faction continues
with the USOS, for him to go heal. I mean,
it goes back to the CHT to see a heel turn.
I know everybody wants it and it's never happened, but
they've kind of found somebody in Drew McIntyre where they

(01:59:16):
don't really need. That's why, like this whole you guys
talking about fiend and real Marines, I know that like
he hasn't been like in the he hasn't been in
the main event picture.

Speaker 4 (01:59:26):
You know, he's a main eventor but he hasn't been
in the title picture.

Speaker 6 (01:59:29):
They kind of drew him back because they knew they
damaged him so much and they're rebuilding him up. But
now they have this Drew McIntyre thing going on, and
like everything changes on a fly, Like look at Dani O'Brien.

Speaker 4 (01:59:43):
He is the best example of all this. They tried
so hard to get the crowd not to like him.

Speaker 6 (01:59:50):
Now I feel like you got Drew McIntyre doing this
thing right now where people are behind him, and they
did it right.

Speaker 4 (01:59:56):
They they did it right, and the crowd is hot
for you know. I don't know where Roman goes from here.

Speaker 6 (02:00:03):
I don't know where Daniel Brian goes after the theme
thing too, you know, and Daniel Brien is now again
one of the top baby faces. I don't necessarily think
that there isn't wiggle room, and especially because now you're
starting to see this rumble totally showed Paul Haman's hands
in it, you know, and now you have Paul Hayman
in the picture.

Speaker 4 (02:00:23):
So I don't know, I don't know where Roman is going.

Speaker 6 (02:00:27):
But I again I still think that, you know, the
USOS have that gimmick going on where they're kind of
fan favorites, but at the drop of the dime, they
are able to be the bad guys because of.

Speaker 4 (02:00:37):
Their persona and how they act. So who's to say that,
Like Roman finally doesn't give into the dark side. I
don't know where they're going with him.

Speaker 6 (02:00:45):
This is me being conspiracy theory Mary, which we won't
even talk about my predictions. But you know, I see
a lot of movement for this. I think this was
the blowoff. I don't think the Corbyn thing is gonna
go on anymore. But now what do you do with Roman?
And if it is the fen again, I just don't
see it because he just hasn't been involved in that scene.

(02:01:05):
And if he does get involved with him, I just
feel like it's kind of like the safe choice, like
well Romans, you know, the fighter and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:01:14):
So I have mixed opinions about it.

Speaker 6 (02:01:18):
But now that they have other people emerging kind of
picking up that torture, that are better because Romans still
gets a me reaction.

Speaker 4 (02:01:26):
I mean, it's better than it was.

Speaker 6 (02:01:28):
I mean I was watching twenty fifteen Rumble and the
Booze Whoo. When it started, it started, and it didn't
stop until he got sick, which is unfortunate, but I
think there's a lot of wiggle rooms you put Roman
in something else, but I don't know exactly what it is.
But that's, you know, my opinion, my outtake, my fantasy booking,

(02:01:49):
what have you. I think there is room if he
sticks with USO's for.

Speaker 4 (02:01:53):
Them to kind of become a dominant, you know, heal faction.

Speaker 7 (02:01:59):
Yeah, I can completely agree with that. I could definitely
see them go in that direction. There's one particular video
I saw a while back of it was the the
USOS and Roman in a very clearly inebriated state, and
seeing him actually be organically Roman and having a personality

(02:02:19):
was great. It was nice to see him not be
this kind of forced superhero. And I think that leaning
into the heel turn and allowing him to actually be
himself more is the right direction to go. And I
think there's tons of programs they could run, you know.
I think everything that happened in the Royal Rumbles seemed
to have a particular reason behind it, and I know

(02:02:40):
that there were some changes towards the end of it
with aj Styles getting injured, but I really feel like
Roman reigns eliminating Edge was a calculated move, and I
see them eventually facing off in a basic way of
you know, taking the face energy, the crowd loving Edge
returning so much and using that to really, you know,

(02:03:02):
blow off this heel turn for Roman and really make
it as effective as possible. And I think that perfectly
will lead into a potential Fiend match up at WrestleMania
and make it make a lot more sense and kind
of start to shift the pieces around so it seems
to be a little bit more sensical, and you could
have the fiend playoff of him trying to heal the

(02:03:23):
not to have a pun there, but you know, try
to heal the heel Roman and you know, try and
make him back into the baby face he was. So
I think there's a lot of room there for this
to grow. And I think that it definitely makes a
lot of sense to finally pull the trigger on the
on the Rain's heel turn.

Speaker 8 (02:03:42):
Everything you guys said would be awesome, and I'm sure
Matt would agree with it.

Speaker 9 (02:03:46):
You know.

Speaker 8 (02:03:46):
I think he opens the show with him saying, why
don't they turn Roman heel already? But it's not going
to happen, and you know, aside from the fact that
we just know Vince McMahon is stubborn that he'll keep
him there. Just look at the SmackDown roster. Who's the
next babyface that could possibly challenge the Fiend for the belt?
Braun Strowman, I don't think he's close to that. They've

(02:04:08):
already done Daniel Bryan the Miz just turned heel, Like,
who could it be? The answer is Roman Reigns. It's unfortunate,
but it seems like they are on and an inevitable
collision course together, just based on the fact that there
are no top level babyfaces on SmackDown for the Fiend
to go up against beyond Roman Reigns. Like maybe in

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time they could build a Mustafa Ali up there and
maybe braun Stroman could get back to that level. But
you know, especially given the fact that Kofi Kings is
back and in my opinion, rightfully back in the tag
team title picture, I just don't see any way around
beyond Roman Reigns and the Fiend locking up at WrestleMania,

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let alone a Rain's heel turn.

Speaker 9 (02:04:56):
I think that you know, they.

Speaker 8 (02:04:58):
Tested the waters at Royal Rumbull and he would have
gotten heavily bowed had he been the winner. But I
don't think that that's gonna change the course that he
is on with the fiend at wrestling and probably is
gonna ultimately end up winning the Universal Championship.

Speaker 1 (02:05:16):
I've just kind of devoid myself of pretending that WW
is gonna turn him heel again or again ever, because
the fact is that they have had a zillion awesome
opportunities and I've been booking him heel for the last
five years, since I really rumbled of twenty fifteen in
Philly and ever since then. I mean, imagine if he

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had that night come out after he won the rumble,
stood on the second rope they called an audible and
he just flipped off the crowd. Imagine the heat it
would have been. It would have been nuclear heat, right,
it would have been you know, Monday Night Raw after
he beat the Undertaker at WrestleMania thirty three heat where
they just basically said f you roam and like all
that stuff, and he stood there for fifteen minutes and

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the crowd buried him. And again, I'm not even gonna
go down that road.

Speaker 3 (02:06:03):
I've been down the road so many times.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
I feel like I've made the road and paved it
like I'm done with it until that actually happens.

Speaker 3 (02:06:10):
I'm not gonna believe it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:11):
If it happens, I will you know, First of all,
I'm gonna applaud them, But the second of all, I'm
gonna say you how much money you missed out in
the last five years?

Speaker 3 (02:06:17):
Right, Like, Okay, you're doing it, but is it too little?
Too late? So anyway, we have a couple of mini.

Speaker 6 (02:06:25):
S Okay, So if if Roman and Whyatt earn an
inevitable battle at WrestleMania, and I'm not again, you guys
could be one and I would not say I was wrong.

Speaker 4 (02:06:40):
Why is the ultimate thing that Roman is gonna win?

Speaker 9 (02:06:44):
Like?

Speaker 6 (02:06:45):
Who's to say they don't keep going with Wyatt? And
and and and what has happened with every opponent that
that Wyatt has faced?

Speaker 4 (02:06:55):
Have they turned They've changed to say that that is
and the that isn't the angle that they are running at.

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
It could be, I mean, that would be genius.

Speaker 3 (02:07:06):
Would I look?

Speaker 1 (02:07:07):
That seems strange?

Speaker 6 (02:07:09):
Yeah, I'm sorry again, I can't believe that Roman is
going to I mean again, I've been a raw on
about Roman a zillion times, but I can't see that
Roman is the guy to defeat the Fiend.

Speaker 4 (02:07:22):
I just I don't see it.

Speaker 6 (02:07:24):
I can see them having a WrestleMania match, I can
see them having a title defense, that's sure, But wouldn't
it make more sense that, like everybody's been pushing for this,
and if they're listening to people and they're kind of
it seems right now that they're doing smart things. Every
guy that that guy's faces turned the opposite of what
they were, So it's a perfect opportunity for them.

Speaker 4 (02:07:42):
The term Roman if he loses to the Fiend.

Speaker 6 (02:07:45):
At WrestleMania, and opponents for the Fiend, you have Alistair Black,
who could come out of nowhere. If you're going the
supernatural route, that guy knows about the occult, maybe he'll
go after him, and you still have the younger Taker,
even though we don't want to bring that up.

Speaker 4 (02:07:58):
Okay, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
Good observation though the field is that has been kind
of the side effect of facing the Fiend. Everyone has changed,
even Daniel Bryan has said, you know, and he has
changed too. I mean that's where he got his first
real baby face return to Babyface program, And yeah, we
knew with Finn Balor obviously that was well documented where
he turned heel right, and so that could be the

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ultimate destination for WWE because the fans right now, the
overwhelming belief is that it is Roman's it's the Fiend,
It's at WrestleMania, and it's where the championship and Roman wins. Well,
maybe we get to Roman versus the Fiend, but the
ultimate goal is to not have Roman win, but to
maybe in a loss, turn his turn his character to

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the dark side. I mean, because that's what the goal
of the Fiend is. And I don't know, what do
you guys think about that proposition?

Speaker 5 (02:08:55):
Yeah, I'll go right ahead, Anthony.

Speaker 8 (02:09:00):
Look, I think it would be fantastic. I just I
don't think there is really a point, and I hope
I'm wrong. I just don't see there being a point
into even investing ourselves into such a storyline. I'd be
willing to bet one hundred bucks Canadian on the fact

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that Roman Rains will walk out of wrestling at thirty
six as.

Speaker 9 (02:09:24):
The Universal Champion.

Speaker 8 (02:09:25):
I think that it's taken Vince McMahon everything in his
human power to hold back on putting the world title
right back around Roman's ways when he returned about a
year ago, because remember he relinquished the Universal Championship, he
never actually lost it and he had regained it and
I only had it for about two months after not

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being world champion for almost two years.

Speaker 9 (02:09:48):
So I just think that they the way they.

Speaker 8 (02:09:50):
Booked him over the last calendar year, you know, very
sheltered opponents. You know, he returned last year forming with
the shield almost right out of the gate. Then he
went up against Shane McMahon and was standing side by
side with the Undertaker and had that feud for almost
the whole summer. Then he had the who done at Angle,
which ultimately he wound up at the side of Daniel Bryan.

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Daniel Bryan's never getting got boots, so more cheers behind Roman.
And then he went up against Baron Corban, who's arguably
the most hated heel in the company right now, so
he got cheered too. It just seems that it's been
calculated booking by w w E and good booking, and
to their credit, they've got they've made a lot of
progress with Roman reigns by keeping him somewhat on the
back burner, out of the world title picture. But you

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just see the way that they've smartly booked him, got
the crowd to kind of slowly but surely get more
behind him that I just can't see any other scenario
of him not conquering the Fiend because yeah, there's Alistair
Black and but he's on raw right now. But I'm
sure they could bring him over in a in a
superstar shake up or what have you. But I just

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don't see a way how Roman Reigns is in World
Champion come post wrestling at thirty six.

Speaker 5 (02:11:08):
Yeah, and I can agree with you a lot on that, Anthony.
I do see that that's kind of the direction.

Speaker 7 (02:11:14):
That they're they're going towards, is eventually having Rains have
the belt again, because like you said, they kind of
have sheltered him back and you know, or the Fiend
rather sheltered back. And I think that in this case
it makes a lot of sense to build it. But
I think because of what WWE has been doing more recently,
the trend of kind of switching away from popular belief,

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as you know, a lot of people had Roman Reigns
predicted as the winner. The plans were originally to have
Roman Reigns be the victor here. I think that that
kind of spells to them building towards something a little
bit bigger than just the obvious.

Speaker 5 (02:11:49):
And I think that if they do kind of pull.

Speaker 7 (02:11:51):
Finally pull the trigger on the heel turn, that it
would make sense because really this idea of trying to
make the fiend a heel hasn't worked either, So you know,
into that a little bit and saying, Okay, we're going
to completely switch the rolls on you before Wrestlemanian. We're
going to have you, you know, cheering for bray Wyatt,
you know, maybe trying to lean into healing people as

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opposed to hurting them now, or you know, maybe he
comes out as sweater bray Wyatt or you know, mister
Rogers bray Wyatt. However you want to turn that side
of him. But I could definitely see them going a
lot of different ways to kind of go away from
the obvious. And I think a lot of people have
it predicted, like you said that Roman Reigns is going

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to walk out of there with the belt, which could
definitely still feels like the right move and kind of
maybe not the right move, but kind of the writing
on the wall.

Speaker 5 (02:12:41):
So I think if they switch up the roles, it'll
make it a lot more interesting before then.

Speaker 1 (02:12:48):
All right, well, what I'd like to do is just
touch on these last two matches and then I'll give
you guys a chance to talk about anything else maybe
we didn't want to or didn't cover in terms of
the rumba and any other final thoughts. But the last
two matches, I'm grouping them together because the one match,
honestly with Lacy Evans and Bailey is not really worth

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too much of a discussion because it was just kind
of a by the numbers type of match. It was
very standard. It kind of felt like kind of a
bit of a break in terms of the pacing of
the show. That's not to say this was a bad match,
Like there were no real bad matches on the show.
I don't think there was one, but this one wasn't

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really particularly exciting. Bailey wins, and I think that's still
the right move. Some people thought that it was, you know,
Lacy Evans time, and they are certainly heavy handing this
military connection, and she's a mom, so we're all supposed
to relate with her, and I'm starting to come around
to her character. It's it's taking some time. But again,

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I don't have a whole lot to say about that
match rather than right booking just kind of a average match.
It was what it was, and Bailey came out on
top as she should have. And then the other match
was Becky Lynch versus Osca. That match, I loved it.
That really was to me clearly the superior women's match

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of the show outside of the Rumble of course. But
Becky Lynch here, she collected her debt as she said,
she had Oscar tap out. As Oscar was about to
dispense the Green Miss, she kicks her the miscos all
over Oscar's face, of which apparently she's immune and didn't
really react to. Nonetheless, we had Becky Lynch tap her out.

(02:14:40):
There was some great spots in that match. These two.
Anytime that they want to give them twenty minutes to go,
it's gonna be a good day in the ring.

Speaker 3 (02:14:48):
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (02:14:49):
I think that these two tore it up. Becky Lynch
winning was the right move. It would have made no
sense to drop the belt to Oscar, who's also the
women's tag team half of the Women's Tag Team Champions,
So the right move here, but it certainly got me
emotionally invested Oscar, to me, is doing some of the
best work she's done since she dropped the belt last

(02:15:09):
year to Charlotte inexplicably unsmacked down. We all know how
I feel about that before WrestleMania and then didn't give
a damn.

Speaker 3 (02:15:16):
So to me, this is the best that she's been positioned.

Speaker 1 (02:15:19):
Wise, she feels more comfortable on the MIC. I'm actually
getting a little bit charmed by her yelling in Japanese
every week. It's weird, even though I don't understand her.
It's she's just so cartoonish and over the top.

Speaker 3 (02:15:32):
She's so bad that she's good on the MIC. It's weird.
I don't know how to feel about it.

Speaker 1 (02:15:37):
In the ring, there's no question she's off the charts,
but just performance wise on the MIC, it's she's just
so bad it's good, and I think she's reached that
level and she seems more comfortable too.

Speaker 3 (02:15:48):
So again, Becky and and and and Becky and Oscar.

Speaker 1 (02:15:53):
Certainly tore it up, and then Lacey and and Bailey
kind of just there, would.

Speaker 3 (02:15:57):
You what did you think?

Speaker 5 (02:15:58):
Mary?

Speaker 4 (02:16:00):
I agree with like most of everything you said.

Speaker 6 (02:16:02):
The Bailey Lacy match came off like it felt like
a filler match to me, And I know it was
for the world title, but it just kind of felt
like a rest match for everything else that was going
on the card.

Speaker 4 (02:16:13):
It was the lead.

Speaker 6 (02:16:14):
It was a good match. I'm not saying it wasn't.
It was just the bottom match for me. I like
that they changed Licy's character. It's working better for her
going the military route and being the.

Speaker 4 (02:16:26):
Mom because I didn't want to pay attention to her
whatsoever when she was doing the hail gimmick and Bailey's Bailey.
You know, like it was a good match, but it
wasn't you know, the show stealer of the show, Becky
Osco was awesome. I love the kick and the miss
going into the air. And I also like that, you know,

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even though she lost to Becky, I wanted her to win.
I thought she was gonna win because I thought that
was going to be the end of the title ring
for Becky. Obviously it's coming after Mania, who knows. But
I I just like the fact that she lost.

Speaker 6 (02:17:02):
In the next night, she was on Raw and she
was challenging you know, Charlotte and tried to pay her dues.
You know that, like she basically even though you couldn't
understand they're in Japanese. She's basically saying, you screwed me
out of my stuff last year, and that was right,
and I would have beaten you if I was in
the rumble, you know, because she won the Rumble and then,

(02:17:22):
you know, didn't they end up having a triple threat
with her, like she didn't really get like her shot
or a rousey came out and it completely you know,
disregarded her win. So I enjoyed the match. I thought
it was a really good match on both of them.
I liked everything about it.

Speaker 4 (02:17:41):
But I really liked that it wasn't just like, oh,
Becky beat her and now she's getting thrown to the
side and she's not being taken seriously as a serious
hitter in the woman's division, and they still have her
right there with Charlotte.

Speaker 5 (02:17:55):
Yeah, I agree with you on a lot of points there, Mary.

Speaker 7 (02:17:58):
I think that ultimately, on the first match side of
things with Lacy Evans versus Bailey, I felt like, really
to sell the face turn of Lacey Evans, I felt
like this was the right time to pull the trigger
and maybe set up a potential Mania feud that had
a slow burn between Bailey and Lacey with her taking

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the belt and go on this face route and kind of,
you know, being the polar opposite of bailey story where
she's gone heel and.

Speaker 5 (02:18:26):
She became champion.

Speaker 7 (02:18:27):
You know, having Lacy Evans turn face and become champion
would be kind of this good contrasting storyline to build
upondo Mania, but not having her win the belt here
it just kind of feels like, well, you know, she tried,
but she couldn't beat her.

Speaker 5 (02:18:41):
And although you know there it was some cheating.

Speaker 7 (02:18:44):
Involved and things like that, I felt like it just
felt fell really flat because there had no reason to
really be invested. You felt like Bailey was gonna come
out with the victor, and she did because it was
kind of too short of a feud to have it
go any other way. But I think, you know, with
her momentum turn face, I think they've squandered a lot
of the momentum Bailey had when she turned heel. So

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I thought that they would have kind of learned and
tried to pull the trigger a little bit more with
Lacy Evans. So I would have liked to have seen
her walk out as champion, but I understand why not,
And I think it ended up kind of being a
poor match.

Speaker 5 (02:19:18):
I wouldn't even go as far as to say it
was that good. It just didn't.

Speaker 7 (02:19:21):
It felt very out of place on an otherwise very
good card. So but on the polar opposite of that
again would be the Osca in Becky match, which.

Speaker 5 (02:19:31):
I thought really tore it down.

Speaker 7 (02:19:33):
And you know, to your point too, Matt, with Oscar
on the microphone, it reminds me a lot of to
Jerry when he was doing his run in the WWE,
and you know, of course sharing the green myst as
a parallel there too, which is he does it. It
feels like she has no reason to need to speak
it and it's like she's above it, and it kind
of helped sell that heel side of her too. So

(02:19:54):
I and I thought this match between them was excellent.
I thought, like you said, Mary, the finish with the
kicked with the guy in the in the midst was excellent.
And I just think that they're doing a lot of
right things with everything, but I think that Osca is
someone that they've kind of gotten wrong in a lot
of ways.

Speaker 5 (02:20:12):
But this match was very good and I think that.

Speaker 7 (02:20:15):
They should continue to build something towards her getting a
title in the very near future.

Speaker 5 (02:20:20):
However they can achieve that.

Speaker 8 (02:20:22):
Yeah, both of these matches well, obviously, the Lacy Evans
Bailey one fell flat. It was not the worst thing,
and like, I really like it Lacey Evans. I'm kind
of being a bit biased, but it wasn't anything more
than a placeholder match, and while the Osca and Becky
match were significantly better, it's still just felt like a

(02:20:44):
placeholder match for waiting for Becky to get engaged in
bigger and better things. You know, I found did a
really good build to the Becky and Oscar match, contrary
to the one on the SmackDown side of things. I'm
interested to see where they go beyond this on both
for both championships. I think it was the payoff for

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both championships with both women's champions retaining the titles clean.
I'm hoping on this backdown side of the things, it's
Alexa Bliss and I think it may be almost set
in stone that will be Shana Basler on the side
of raw. So I'm anxious to see where they go
beyond these feuds from now.

Speaker 1 (02:21:27):
I am too, and I hope Alexa Bliss gets more
of a prominent position. She had a nice showing at
the Royal Rumble, which was promising, and like you said,
I mean, she was the face of Raw not too
long ago, and obviously Ronda Rowsey came and dethroned her
pretty quickly. But I think, yeah, Alexa Bliss, it's time
to kind of position her more as an actual main event,

(02:21:49):
pretty consistent main event star, because she is just that.

Speaker 3 (02:21:53):
I'm tired of the five feet of fury.

Speaker 1 (02:21:55):
And you know, I remember when she first was called up,
they were kind of just knacking on her for her height,
and it's like, come on, guy, I mean even the
announcers were talking about she's only five feet five feet
of fury.

Speaker 3 (02:22:06):
I don't you know, I don't need that.

Speaker 1 (02:22:08):
And so, nonetheless, I think that Alexa Bliss is in
for a potentially big twenty twenty year and I hope
that she is. But so I think we're all kind
of an agreement on the Becky Lynch and Oscar match
tore it down. Certainly was the star of the women's
show other than the Rumble, but yeah, Bailey and Bailey

(02:22:31):
and uh, oh my gosh, I'm like losing it because
it's so late. Uh pushing up Lacey. Jeez, so I
got like my bedtime is like usually right around now.
But that's okay, it's it's it's rumble review time. So yeah,
Lacey is a girl, a woman that is is really
they're trying to transition her into this believable and relatable

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and they hit all this military stuff from the audience,
at least on a on air type of presentation, because
they were trying to get the military background.

Speaker 3 (02:23:02):
Obviously use that as a as a.

Speaker 1 (02:23:05):
Well, well, you know, we'll talk about this when you
turn babyface makes total sense, right, I mean, you don't
want to boo a veteran typically, So anyway, I think
there is a big year also involved for Lacey Evans,
and I think this was the test for her at
the pay per view, and I think that she she
somewhat past the test. You know, she is not the
greatest in ring performer of all time, but she's still

(02:23:28):
somewhat new.

Speaker 3 (02:23:29):
She's a little bit green. That's fine, and.

Speaker 1 (02:23:32):
You know, it takes time to get into the you know,
feelige your chemistry with your opponent. And if she had
more matches down the line with Bailey, they should in
theory and in using your logic should be better. So
we'll have to see about that. We'll have to see
if Lacey just kind of fades into.

Speaker 3 (02:23:47):
The background after this.

Speaker 1 (02:23:49):
Certainly Friday Night on SmackDown will tell us whether or
not that she's going to remain in the tittle picture
or just kind of goes by the wayside and we
get some new contenders, which I kind of think think
is more likely to happen. So any final comments on
the women before we move on? All right, Well, so

(02:24:09):
I'll just kind of open up the floor then. Is
there anything that maybe you guys didn't wanted to expand upon,
or that I didn't touch on, or any kind of
final thoughts on the rumble and raw from last night?

Speaker 6 (02:24:22):
Well, obviously the edge in randy organ storyline going forward.
I mean, that's the biggest thing that happened in the
last forty eight hours other than the rumbles.

Speaker 4 (02:24:31):
So what's your thoughts on it?

Speaker 2 (02:24:33):
Matt?

Speaker 9 (02:24:34):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:24:34):
All right, Well my thoughts are I liked it.

Speaker 1 (02:24:38):
I really what I really loved was not just Randy
Orton and his his just the way that he did
it so methodically and him teasing getting rated RKL back.

Speaker 3 (02:24:51):
Which is kind of ironic.

Speaker 1 (02:24:52):
By the way that Edge is the rated R superstar
in a PG television environment, right, so he's not really
He's kind of like the neutered ate at our superstar
they wanna be right because it just doesn't make sense.
But I love the nickname. I love everything about Edge,
So I love the way that Randy Orton came down.
He teased the reunion and gave him a hug and
then boom, RKO puts him down, and then he took

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his time getting the chair, positioning the chair, and then
eventually you know, you're thinking, oh, someone gonna come out
and save him. Someone can come out and save him.
Nobody comes out and saves him, which is kind of.

Speaker 3 (02:25:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:25:28):
I'm fine with it because he had to put a
program together for these two, but it's from a turn
like logically, like there's no one backstage. Then Randy Orton's
taking his time, and you know he has a triple
fusion next surgery. No one's gonna come out to potentially
save him.

Speaker 3 (02:25:41):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:25:41):
I'm not getting on that point, but I love the
way that they presented this. Randy Orton hitting the concerto
on Randy on Edge, Edge, the way that he sold it.

Speaker 3 (02:25:53):
This is the other part of it.

Speaker 1 (02:25:54):
The facials from Edge when he first got RKO was like,
what just happened, and you're concerned about his neck? He
looked like he was concerned about his neck, because it
was as if you could read through his eyes of
what his thoughts were.

Speaker 3 (02:26:07):
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (02:26:08):
I think this is a great first program for Edge.
From what I'm reading, he's signed a three year contract
with WWE. I think he's in it for the long haul.
He could have a resurrected Michael's career of what Sean
Michaels did in two thousand and two coming back. I
hope that's the case. I loved his promo there at
the beginning, saying I wanted to end this on my terms.

(02:26:30):
I didn't want to go through my life saying what
if everything.

Speaker 3 (02:26:34):
Was done right?

Speaker 1 (02:26:35):
Edge reminded us that he is what he says he is,
and I loved everything about this segment. I mean, I
can't say enough about it. It put instant heat on
Randy Orton, a guy that has been getting over even
as a heel because of his RKO. I think that's
going to finally change now that you have Edge on
the other side of the coin with this program, So

(02:26:56):
I'm looking forward to this. Do I think this is
going to lead all the way Toreania? It could? I
was I would love to pair Edge up with Seth Rollins.
But if this leads all the way to WrestleMania, there's
a lot to pull from. There's a ton of history
with these two. So I give the the ending of
this an a plus.

Speaker 3 (02:27:13):
All the way around.

Speaker 6 (02:27:16):
Yeah, every everything you said was spot on, even though
you know Edge was clearly clear to be in that ring.

Speaker 4 (02:27:28):
He was in the rumble.

Speaker 6 (02:27:29):
I mean, he was doing fears and he's in the
best shape of his life. I mean he's a little grayer,
like you said, but he looked fantastic on Sunday Day.
It was the most unsettling thing I've watched on professional
wrestling in a long time.

Speaker 4 (02:27:44):
Like I was invested.

Speaker 6 (02:27:46):
I knew everything was okay and they wouldn't be doing
this to him if he could legitimately like get injured
or rehurt his neck or spine or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (02:27:55):
But I had my hands over my.

Speaker 6 (02:27:56):
Face, you know, over my nose in my hands the
whole time I was watching it, and I was just
uncomfortable watching it, and I was screaming at the TV, going, Randy,
don't do it, you know, and we all know that
Randy is that snake and that's what he does. And
I don't know what Randy's reasoning is going to be
when he comes out and says it. I mean, sometimes
he doesn't give an answer for his actions.

Speaker 9 (02:28:18):
You know.

Speaker 6 (02:28:19):
It could be jealousy that he stole the spotlight, you know,
and that like he's gotten all these Alcohlaids since he's
retired and he's a Hall of Famer, but you know,
Randy's the legend killer. It's the first real I mean,
we've been talking about Randy being good the last couple
of months, and when he's good, he's compelling, and sometimes
he's just one of those filler or in stoppause mode

(02:28:41):
or you know, you don't really know what they're doing
with him. But when they put him in this villain
role and they give him a dance partner that he wants,
he can literally make you hate him on the drop
of a dime. And like, even when he was holding
him and like and like kind of coddling him, that
he hated himself for doing this because this was his

(02:29:02):
best friend that dragged him out of the you know,
the lowest ditch he was in in his life when
Randy was having all those problems.

Speaker 4 (02:29:10):
It was just it was perfecto. It was it was
a plus.

Speaker 6 (02:29:14):
There's no better person for Edge to come back to
the WWE and revise his career with other than Old Guard,
and that's Randy Orton. Still, even though you know, Randy's
really never been out with injuries and stuff like.

Speaker 4 (02:29:27):
That, it's kind of you know, I'm just happy.

Speaker 6 (02:29:30):
But this is the most compelling storyline that I think
Randy has had since when he was doing the punk
kicks to people's heads. And I just wanted to praise
it on both of them. It was good and Ed
was like, let's do it, and let's let's sell it,
and he did. It was fantastic.

Speaker 7 (02:29:51):
Yeah, I completely agree to your points to Mary. I
think that, you know, everything that they've done with this
storyline has been great, and I think that it's really
a program with a lot to build upon, as you said, Matt,
and I think that it's something that is very although
it's using older stars, it feels very much like forward

(02:30:12):
progress for WWE in a lot of ways where it's
giving us a lot of what we want in the
sense that we wanted Edge to return in a big
way and have a big, something big to come back to.
So and like you said too, Mary about the stop
and go at nature of Randy Orton, giving him a
big person to go after just felt like all the
right moves. And I think that that can be said

(02:30:35):
a lot about the forward progress leading off of Royal Rumble.
I think that they're leaning towards a lot of really
great things and it's very encouraging stuff and it's always
the best time of year going into Mania, but it
feels like they're making a lot of the right moves,
which I think is the biggest takeaway for me.

Speaker 5 (02:30:50):
From the Rumble and this episode of Raw.

Speaker 8 (02:30:55):
Yeah, I just think Randy Urton is a good guy
to pair Edge up with to break them back into
things they have, you know, a history to play off
of Randy Orton's basically ring general and there could have
a five star match with a broomstick, so he can
help Edge along if there is any ring rust, even
though it didn't seem to be the case at the Rumble.

(02:31:15):
And you know, to your point, Matt, they could you know,
not string this out to WRESTLEMANI and have Edge, you know,
just bet Or had Rand Orton be a stepping stone
fore Edge on the way to wrestleing. You know, I
think that two pay per views between now and then,
so a lot of things can happen.

Speaker 9 (02:31:32):
All I know is that this is a.

Speaker 8 (02:31:33):
Good pay per view for these pay per view, a
good program for these two to get involved in with
one another.

Speaker 9 (02:31:40):
And I'm really excited to see where they go with it.

Speaker 1 (02:31:44):
Yeah, I am too, And you know, I'm thinking back
to what the reasoning could be. What we'll hear from
Randy and well Edge got eliminated or Orton get eliminated
by Edge in the Royal Rumble. There's something there. There's
also a comment that was made when Randy or yeah,
Randy Orton feigned an injury a number of weeks ago
to lure in AJ Styles ultimately to hit an RKO.

Speaker 3 (02:32:07):
He mentioned Edge in his promo.

Speaker 1 (02:32:09):
That you know, I knew a guy Edge and he
had to end his career and he paralleled his speech
to kind of Edges from nine years ago. So that
was I think definitely by design for sure. So look,
I'm well looking forward to this program. Do I want
it to string out another three months, ten weeks. Probably not.

(02:32:31):
I mean, I'm not saying it wouldn't be a great program,
but again, i'd love to see Seth.

Speaker 3 (02:32:36):
Rollins with his group versus Edge, and I think there's
a lot there.

Speaker 1 (02:32:41):
But again, I mean, we're kind of fantasy booking given
the fact that we don't even know what's going to
be on the Super Showdown or the Elimination Chamber matchups.
So this is all just you know, kind of conjecture
at this point. But I really think that this this
is gonna be a program, regardless of where it ends,
or how quick it is or how long one days,
it's going to be an enjoyable program. These are two professionals,

(02:33:04):
one at the top of his game, one getting back
into the game but doesn't look like he's missed a step.
This is going to be enjoyable all the way around.
So any of the last thoughts on anything, guys, before
we kind of right up into the.

Speaker 4 (02:33:16):
Sunset, I think I'm good.

Speaker 6 (02:33:19):
I'll bring up my conspiracy theories that got squashed another time.

Speaker 9 (02:33:23):
Okay, Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 5 (02:33:26):
Yeah, I think I covered just about everything on my
end too.

Speaker 3 (02:33:31):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:33:32):
Well, guys, this has been super enjoyable. I've, i've this
is awesome. I want to thank everybody for joining me,
Zach for filling in for Ashley, and you know, maybe
we can redo this for the WrestleMania show or you know,
maybe make this a kind of an annual pay per
view thing.

Speaker 3 (02:33:49):
We'll we'll see. But this has been a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (02:33:52):
And I want to thank you guys for staying up
so damn late or I don't really know what you
guys bed times are, but certainly devoting a significant amount
of time to coming on and talking wrestling.

Speaker 4 (02:34:02):
Thank you. I'm about to go get tacos. This is
in my bedtime yet tacos. I'm jealous like Taco Bellaco
right after Well, I I.

Speaker 1 (02:34:16):
Want to keep you from Taco bell So but Anthony
and Zach thank you for for popping on and we
will be in touch shortly as well. And uh uh definitely, Zach,
thank you for.

Speaker 3 (02:34:28):
For your A E W reviews.

Speaker 1 (02:34:30):
You've been doing awesome, So thank you all the way around.

Speaker 7 (02:34:34):
Thank you, Matt and and it was a pleasure of
working with you guys. And I definitely would love to
get back on and do this again for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:34:42):
No, definitely like I said, maybe we'll make this more
of a consistent thing, so stay tuned.

Speaker 6 (02:34:49):
Really enjoyable talking to you guys. I'm so happy that
we formally met through Skype tonight.

Speaker 5 (02:34:55):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:34:59):
Well that's how you meet people now, right, That's how
I actually met my wife on match. Like so actually
it's funny. I don't know why to bring this up,
but we met on Match, but then on Tinder. We
actually matched on Tinder at the same time, and she
ignored me on Tinder and like I was like, what
the hell, Like, why are you ignoring? When we laugh
about that now, but she completely blew me off on
Tinder and I was like, hey, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (02:35:21):
And she like didn't respond, So we just.

Speaker 1 (02:35:23):
Laugh about it now. But we actually officially met on match.
So yeah, that's how you meet people now, right.

Speaker 5 (02:35:28):
So yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 7 (02:35:29):
Me and my fiance met through Aim first and then
through Facebook, so I mean we got pretty pretty similar parallels.

Speaker 5 (02:35:36):
Going on there.

Speaker 1 (02:35:38):
Aim. Oh my god.

Speaker 7 (02:35:39):
Yeah, go and really throw back there when Aim was
still the place to be when you were trying to
meet people.

Speaker 1 (02:35:45):
Yeah, yeah, you put like a notification when your crush
would come on. Mine was like a cash register or something,
and then oh she's online, right, you have a way
messages and stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:35:54):
Oh I remember that.

Speaker 5 (02:35:55):
Yeah, the good old days of the internet.

Speaker 1 (02:35:58):
I know the kid the kids will never know today,
they'll never know the struggles of flip phones and oh god.

Speaker 3 (02:36:03):
All right, well, guys, thank you so much for joining me.
It's been a blast.

Speaker 1 (02:36:07):
And I will talk to all of you sometime down
the line soon and so thanks again, and enjoy the
rest of your night. Enjoy your talk.

Speaker 4 (02:36:13):
I was Mary, I will.

Speaker 1 (02:36:18):
Bye, guys.

Speaker 5 (02:36:20):
I have a good night, guys.

Speaker 4 (02:36:21):
Night me too.

Speaker 1 (02:36:22):
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