5 YEARS AGO: Week in Review w/ Ashley Mann - Jeff Hardy Gets Arrested, AJ vs Bryan Set for IC Title, Looking Ahead to Backlash - The WWE Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome everybody to the WWE Podcast on this final day
of May twenty twenty. And you know what I said
this give a big f you a big fu to
twenty twenty. I mean that is this is easily the

(00:56):
worst year in the history of my life, many of
our lives. Right. You think about what's going on, right,
I mean we all know the whole thing going on
today and or that this past week. But it started
out in January with losing Kobe Bryant his daughter, February
with the massive Australia fires, March was the coronavirus. April

(01:20):
was the worst economy in decades, and then May is
the George Floyd disaster that has just brought out the
worst in many of us. I'll say that. And everybody's
got an opinion, everyone's got their their platform to try

(01:41):
to use to speak whatever they want to speak about it.
Boy oh boys, are a lot of a lot of
stuff going on, And you know, I was I was
going to use this as a platform to speak my
opinions on this, and I was going to, but I
don't think this is a proper format to do this. Yes,

(02:03):
I've got a decent amount of listeners that are that
I could speak to, and I know people personally in
my own personal life that probably listen to this show.
And so maybe at some point I'll create a separate show,
make it private or something like that for my thoughts
on this whole thing. They are controversial. I'm sure some

(02:25):
people would unfollow me. They are there, They're probably not
what the mainstream media follows. I'll just leave it at that.
They are. They're probably going to create more controversy than
it's going to be worth putting on this show. So

(02:45):
I'm going to just not talk about this whole thing
because your social media is flooded by it and people
losing their minds over it, and people burning down cities
and looting and all this, all this stuff, So we'll
leave all that stuff for the grown ups. One of
the kids, come on back here and we'll talk about
pro wrestling, because that's what this whole damn show is for.

(03:06):
It's for pro wrestling fans. You're trying to get away
from all that stuff, So we're not going to talk
about it again. If you're interested in that, maybe I'll
create a separate like a quick hits show that's private
or is labeled as such or something along those lines.
I'm just I don't think this is the right platform
to vent about things on that, So keep an eye on,

(03:27):
keep an eye out if you're interested in that particular
topic that is extremely topical right now and is just
absolutely tearing people apart. So anyway, back to pro wrestling,
thank you guys for joining me, and again we have
a weekend review recap here, a lot to talk about
with Ashley. I discussed some of those things at the

(03:47):
very top of the show. We do have a ton
to get to with Ashley. In my almost two hour
talk with her, two hours never go so quick. She
is just so easy to talk to and so knowledgeable.
So always a pleasure having her on, and hope to
have her on maybe more than every three weeks. Right,
we'll see what we can do about that. I still

(04:09):
don't have Twitter. Phil is wondering wonder no more. I
was suspended, as you probably know or may not know
by now, I don't know why I was suspended. If
you're wondering, oh, would you say, I don't know what
that I did. I'm in Twitter jail with no explanation.
I wasn't given the charges against me. I'm just sitting
in Twitter jail with no bail and nobody talking to me.

(04:31):
I'm just being ignored by the guard, sitting in my
holding cell, and everyone is ignoring me, not giving me
answers as to why I'm in Twitter jail. So hopefully
somebody posts my bail and I'm able to get back
out on the forum and be able to discuss wrestling
with you guys, because I miss it. It sucks. Yeah,
I have email and I have this platform, but it's

(04:54):
not the same. I miss it. Damn I miss it.
I want my dann Twitter account back, So hopefully they
can resolve things sooner than later. But it's been like
two freaking weeks now I'm dying. Okay, enough about my
own problems, y'all don't care. And one last thing I'll
say is if you like the show, give us a
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new voices. All right, let's just stop all the suspense

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and let's get to my conversation with Ashley, which was
always a joy to talk with her. So here's Ashley
and myself. I'll be back Tuesday, maybe tomorrow with my brand.
We'll see. I don't know about that, but I'll be
back definitely Tuesday with your Raw review. Wednesday is Nostalgia
and back to your weekend review next weekend. And to

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be honest, a lot of co hosts coming up this week.
I am joined by Michael Gross on Tuesday for your
Raw Review. Wednesday, Anthony Marco is going to join me
for Wrestling Nostalgia, and then Saturday is to be determined,
so we shall see what's going to be happening. But
a lot of co hosts coming up this week. It's
going to be a fun time to be able to
talk with people and see what's going on and hear

(06:24):
their thoughts and everything else. So let's get to Ashley
and myself. Enough of me talking. Hope you enjoy as always,
talk to you soon. Welcome everybody. It is Sunday evening,
May thirty first, twenty twenty, and right now we're going
to do our weekend review with Ashley Man. And there
is really never been a better time to play in

(06:45):
the sandbox of our wrestling discussion in the history of
this show than there is right now. And with everything
going on in the world with obviously I don't need
to mention you guys know what's happening, and then the
virus on top of I mean, it's time to take
you out of that reality. It's time to bring you
into this alternate reality of professional wrestling to talk about

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things that don't really matter but are a ton of
fun to discuss because we love it. So Ashley, welcome back.
I hope you're staying safe. I hope things are going
as well as it possibly can for you.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me again.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Matt, and I think you said it very very well.
This is such a good week to have the show
to just literally, like you said, talk about something that's
not really that important, but is important in our world,
you know, and it is our escape. A lot of
people have different avenues and different things that they watch,
and wrestling as are.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
So I'm stoked to be back.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
And yeah, we have a lot to talk about and
some changes ever made this week, some advances, So yeah,
I'm excited to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
No, I really am. I've got a lot of notes here.
And probably the biggest tragedy of twenty twenty, probably out
of everything happening, is the fact that Twitter suspended my
account for unknown reasons. I mean, this has got to
be the top news item on Fox and CNN. I mean,
they need to just I need to give them a
call so they can figure out what's going on. This
is clearly much more important than anything going on, is
the fact that I have no idea why Twitter suspended

(08:12):
my account, none, zero, and they have been silenced. So
I am sitting here like seething, not being able to
do anything for people who think like I've dropped off
the face of the earth. My Twitter account has been
suspended with no explanation, so hopefully things get resolved. It's
been almost probably two weeks now that it's been offline
and I'm dying here and this is my mode of communication,

(08:34):
so I'm glad you're here with me, Ashley. So let's
dive in to the last thing that I saw on SmackDown,
and that is the Intercontinental Title Tournament, which I think
has been really well done. I mean, yes, there have
been some things that don't make sense with people being
inserted back in that already lost like Seamus, and we

(08:56):
got a final. It is Daniel Brian versus AJ Styles
and two weeks so we have some time to build it.
I think they've done a great job this Daniel Brian
versus AJ Styles. I don't think you can go wrong there.
So how do you How do you like the Icy
title tournament going so far? And are you excited for

(09:16):
a Brian AJ final?

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah, obviously they'll have a very very good match.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
So I'm definitely excited.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
By that interesting way that they went about it, especially
with what happened this past Friday, and I was actually
really looking forward to the Daniel Brian Jeff Harty match,
but I don't know it's interesting, and I guess I
should say yes before we move on. I've really enjoyed
the entire tournament in and of itself.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I think that is one thing that WB has seemed
to always do well over the years.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
And granted, I guess you can say this, it's not
that difficult to do, but tournaments can get stale and
can get dull over the week. So they have at
least presented this in a pretty interesting way, especially like
I said, with the whole twist on Friday with what
they're doing with Jeff Harty, So I think that's really
interesting with maybe we could get as deep as to

(10:11):
maybe the future of his career and how much longer
he has in the company, or if it was just
that they didn't want him to actually go on to
the finals and to become the champion, but they didn't
want him to necessarily lose.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
A match, so they decided to go this extreme opposite direction.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
So yeah, like I said, I'm definitely interested to see
where they go from here with it.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
And it's definitely controversial.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
I've seen a lot of people have mixed feelings about
it on Twitter, so oh well, yeah, you have to.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Keep me updated I don't know what's going on, so
yeah you can. Yeah, I'm living vicariously through people having
active Twitter accounts. This is great, now, that's it's great.
It's great to know what I'm missing. But yes, so
that is a good point though, because I was really
looking forward to Jeff Hardy, Daniel Brian too, and while
I didn't think there would be a clean victor in

(11:01):
that match, I thought Seamus would be the one to
interfere yeh and cost Jeff Hardy with Brian moving on.
They still got Brian moving on, and they still got
Jeff Hardy, but they went, like you said, a totally
different way of getting Seamus and to shamous versus Jeff Hardy.
Which yes, of course, it hasn't been revealed that Seamus

(11:21):
was the one that did the hit and run. I
think we might get the hacker who ends up doing
the truth will be heard type of thing and ends
up in his little laboratory or wherever he is revealing
who the person who hit and run is, and maybe
it is Seamus. I think it makes sense that it's Shamus.
I don't know who else it could be. Now. Elias

(11:43):
of course also got hit, but Jeff Hardy was the
one who was framed with alcohol on him, the smell
of alcohol and having him be put in a police
car because they want to do blood work. Obviously with
him back on SmackDown on Friday, didn't come back positive,
So this is it's a very interesting angle given Jeff

(12:06):
Hardy's history as well, because we all know Jeff Hardy
has had several issues in real life with drugs and
everything else and alcohol. So pretty ballsy moved by WWE,
but realistic, and I applaud them for doing something that
is different. It didn't seem faked or phony or post
produced in a in a very hokey way. It was
I think, as good as it could have been. And

(12:28):
we got another hit and run in our hands. So
not only is Roman Reigns the hit and run victim,
but now we can add Jeff Hardy or and Elias
really to that list and.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
All happening on SmackDown.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
So note to everyone who works on SmackDown, watch yourself.
It's just kind of interesting when you look back on it. Yeah,
I don't so, I guess really quick, do you have
any personal feelings or issues with the I guess situation
as off the whole you I row Jeff's personal history

(13:02):
and everything like that. Do you have because that's what
a lot of people have had issues with it, that
it is such a real life and a real you know,
a situation that happens every day, and like I said,
you know, with Jeff having had it happen to him
pretty frequently, do you have any issues with it with
them using it as a storyline.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I guess, I guess I'm probably You know, the
thing is, when you're dealing with social media, as we
all know, especially today, people are very sensitive to these
kinds of things and taking real life and a real
life problem and putting it into a storyline that's not
real and you're you're using you're exposing his real life
issues to use it as a benefit for viewership on SmackDown.

(13:46):
So here's the thing. I would assume that Jeff Hardy
probably gave the sign off that yeah, I'm comfortable doing this,
let's do it. That's fine, let's do it. You know,
I'm sure with WWE being very cautious about these types
of situations and how they look, they probably got at
least Jeff's input in on it. And so assuming that
Jeff Hardy was all for it, then fine. If Jeff

(14:09):
Hardy did this but didn't really want to and it
wasn't comfortable, we'll never know. But with that assumption though,
that he was good with it, I'm good with it.
I really don't have a problem with it because I'm
okay with taking something real that you can use in
a storyline that makes sense in the pro wrestling pro
wrestling world, and this would make sense that somebody would

(14:33):
frame Jeff Hardy, pour alcohol on him to make him
smell like booze, and then try to put him in jail.
I mean, I'm fine with it. I guess some people
are very sensitive to it. If you have real life
issues with you with drug or substance abuse, I can
see where you might have a problem personally, I was
okay with it. What did you think?

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, I pretty much feel the exact same way.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
We've seen storylines like this with substance issues, and when
Jeff Hardy in particular.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
In the past as well.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
You know, that was the whole storyline between him and
Sam punk back in I think it was eighth nine timeframe,
and that was done very well and the best it
could be done, in my opinion, for the sensitivity of it.
So as odd as this may sound, with situations and
storylines like this, I don't really see WWE treating it

(15:27):
too poorly, meaning I think they know out of everything,
this is something that they have to respect boundaries on,
and like you said, if Jeff Hardy wasn't behind this,
or he wasn't okay with it, there's I'm pretty confident
in saying there's no way would happen because he's.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Obviously the one who has to do it and portray it.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
The only thing I am interested in seeing how it
plays out in what direction they go in, is because
during the main event, it did resemble that he was
still kind of loopy, So you can either take that
as because I'm curious see how what their answer is
to this whole right, like did he actually drink and
drive and crash or was he actually set up which

(16:05):
I'm sure we all know that's the route that they're
gonna go, but obviously they did steer us in that
direction initially for a reason, so it was interesting to
see him kind of loopy.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
But I think they're gonna.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Go the route that Seamus wrecked the car found Jeff
working out or somewhere in the back, beating him up,
throw him in the car, and he was still loopy
because he you know, took some took such a good
beating from Shamus and that type of thing. Because and obviously,
like we all have to have common sense here too,
Like there's no way that even in storylind world, that

(16:42):
Jeff Party would be arrested for a du y, got
a deal and then be released all within two hours,
you know. So it's just I get, like you said,
why people can definitely be upset about it, and rightfully so,
like it wouldn't look at them differently or anything like that.
But for me personally, I don't. I don't have a problem.
And like I said, because we've seen this route before
and they executed it pretty well in my opinion, they did.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I And you're right, because there is no there's no
path in which WWE is going to allow this story
to play out that Jeff Hardy is still having a
drug problem and then he accidentally hit Elias unknowingly and
stumbled away from the car and was charged at the
police station. Because the endgame for that is he goes

(17:27):
to jail and his career is over. I mean that
that's what would happen even in storyland because of the
history that they have shown us about Jeff Hardy, you
can't play it that way. So clearly somebody is behind this,
which we all assume is Shamus, because also Jeff Hardy
came out to attack Seamus at the end of SmackDown,
So assuming it's Shamus, and if it's somebody else, I'll

(17:48):
be surprised. I have no problem with this. It adds
a personal rivalry right away, a nice story leading into backlash,
assuming that it's going to be a one on one match.
You know, this whole idea of bringing in real life
scenarios into wrestling is nothing new. Now. With that said,
I remember when they brought in Reed Flair and his

(18:11):
name was brought up during a promo to Charlotte. I
forget what, I don't know who it might have been,
Paige who, Yeah, it was paid and it was like
mentioning him who he had died already and he had
died of a drug overdose. And so that to me
was going a little too far, right, Like, there are
instances and things that are a little too much, and

(18:33):
it's clear that the benefits of the story does not
outweigh the negative of going a little too far. So
there are instances, but yeah, I'm cool with this. And
so back to the Interconmental title. I think they're making
this championship feels like very, very prestigious. They're talking about
it being the warhorse title, They're talking about it being

(18:56):
a or talking about the lineage of it, and I
really like that. I like that they're making this feel
super important. By the same token, I'm also really sad
that Sammy Zain is no longer in a Continental champion
for reasons that we don't know. I don't know if
he just is refusing to come to work for fear
of coronavirus or whatever the instance may be. But I

(19:20):
am so sad that Sammy's ain never or maybe he
will at some point, but that his run was cut
short because I was loving him as Intercontinental Champion as
brief as it was. The Bronze Stroman deal, everything just
got cut so short, and I was really disappointed. So
there are two sides to this coin, oh for sure.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, and I'm right there with you. I'm a huge
Samizan fan. Always happened, but I'm actually excited for when
he is able to come back, because I can only
imagine the promo when he returns.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Saying just pretty much coming off in wit.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Right, because he already has on social media how this
is absurd and WDB should be.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Doing this and he's a real champion and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
So I'm just super looking forward to hearing the promo
when he does end up coming back, because you know
he that's a storyline no matter who it is, right.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
There right off the bat.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
So yeah, I'm very excited with what they're doing with
this tournament, and even like when you have guys like
Dan O'Brien just cutting.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
The promo that he did with uh. I believe it
was with.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Renee just again putting over the championship and how much
it means to him, and like you said, he I
believe he even mentioned it.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
He wants it to be the workhorse title again and.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
That title has always meant something to him, and how
devastated he was when he had to RELINQUISHIP due to surgery.
So all of that is just bringing more light and
more shine to the icy title that hasn't it hasn't
had in quite some time, and I missed that because
that title was always one of my favorites going back
to like the especially like the ninety nine to like

(20:54):
the two thousand and five timeframe. For me, it was
like it was just pretty just and of course like
the mid nineties as well, but I mean that's when
I really started getting into wrestling at the time. So yeah,
I'm just stoked that it's actually showing its rifle place
on the show again.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yes, that's ultimately what this should be about, is making
sure that the championship feels prestigious. It's not just a Okay,
we're running a tournament and you don't hear from anybody,
and it's just kind of like, Okay, let's update the
brackets this week. Let's update the brackets this week. They're
really putting a lot of stock into this. There have
been so many backstage promos about it. Now we have

(21:32):
a hit and run storyline involved. It's woven throughout the
entire show. I'm loving it, and it's down to Brian
and AJ. So I guess kind of wrap it up
the icy title discussion here, what's your pick? I know
that this is not a prediction show, but I gotta ask,
I mean, we've come this far, who do you think
is gonna win it.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Man, guessing right now, I would I would have to
go with aj Styles just with knowing that Dan O'Bryant
is going to be taking some time off within the
next few months.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
I don't see them putting it on him just to
turn around and take it right back off in a
couple of weeks. And I think again that kind of
like Standy, that that'll be a good storyline whenever he
is able to return as well, that he wants to rematch,
either if aj Stall has it at that time or
with Sammy, because there's obviously still a storyline there. So
I think right now and aj Style Styles deserves it

(22:28):
with everything and all the work that he's put in
over the past few months since everything has happened, and
of course, especially if they keep him as the heel
version of himself as well, he'll be a good talking
piece on the show to counteract braun Strowman being the
Universal Champion. So I think it should be a good
choice right now. He can hold it for the next

(22:50):
four to six months, depending on what direction you want
to go with it, and truly be the workhorse of
the show and just kind of taking a different direction.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
So my choice would be a J I'm with you.
I'm with you. While it's not impossible Daniel, Brian wins
and this is by no means a slam dunk at
all like this this this could go either way. But
to me, the logic would say AJ. Just as for
the reasons you mentioned about Brian taking time off, and

(23:17):
also when you briefly touched on that Brown Strowman is
universal champion, you got to have a little bit of
balance and heel and babyface champions. So outside of Bailey,
that's really the only heel champion on SmackDown, not the
women's tag team champions. You got the universal champion. The
intercontinental champion was a heel and Sammy, so I would
think they'd want to kind of continue that with AJ.

(23:37):
And I think AJ could be a very a very
good Intercontinental champion as a heel bragging. I think eventually
he'll probably get a little bit of backup. As a champion,
you usually need some guys to take bumps for you.
I don't know who those could be. I don't even
know if they're thinking that way, but AJ styles to

(23:58):
me would have should have an nice long run and
his intercontinental champion, I think he's deserving of it and
to really reinvent AJ at this point. You know, after
AJ got buried at the Wrestlemani in the Boneyard match,
there wasn't a big character change, and he even alluded
to this in an interview that he did I forget
the source or I'd name it, that he felt that

(24:20):
upon his comeback to smack Down after he got buried,
that he should have and that would have been a
great time to have something different in his characters. Something changed,
and nothing changed. It's just kind of the same old
AJ without Gallos and Anderson. And this to me.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Not especially that first Big I at least expected like
his old AG's like with the p one on the
front and all that, but it was still the OC.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
And I don't know if that.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Was just like a you know, a shout out to them,
which you know I could but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
It could be. And they probably have leftover leftover stock
of those T shirts and he's probably just to get
it royalty checks great, sure, so there's probably that too,
But so I don't know. I think that this could
be a good time for AJ to get revitalized and
refreshed and repackaged. In a small way, not totally redo
his gimmick, but I'm with AJ. I mean when he

(25:12):
said that that would be a great time, yes, burying
somebody alive. What if I got buried alive? That would
change me? Okay, like, and it should change wrestling characters.
It changed the Undertaker from the American badass back to
the Deadman back in two thousand and four. Like, there
are reasons that you should go undergo character changes, and
nothing is more extreme than getting literally buried alive. So

(25:34):
I'm totally with AJ on that of something needed to
be changed and really haven't seen anything yet, but this
could be a good time to kind of rekick and
restart his WWE career for however much longer he's going
to be in the company.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yeah, I totally agree, and really quick before we move on.
I don't know if you've heard that they have re
signed Drew Gulaxo. If AJ does, when and I could
kind of see that maybe being the ending point for
Brian if AJ beats him next week, and maybe Drew
can kind of pick up the slack and kind of,
you know, make it the storyline he wants to like

(26:13):
avenge Brian's loss and they can kind of stretch that
out for a few weeks.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
So that's just an idea.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
No, I'm with you. And Drew Gulak when I saw
him in the Battle Royal, was that was great? I
was like, yes, And I didn't know he was re
signed until then. And then what's strange though about that
Battle Royal as I think about some of the nitpicks,
you know, they saw somebody get thrown out from people
that were not in the Battle Royal, and the announcers

(26:40):
were going crazy about that. And I mean, they never
talk about this in the Royal Rumble, but guys and
girls constantly throw each other out when they're already eliminated. And
I don't want to go on that ramp, but it
was just kind of like one of those things where okay, well,
how did the referees know that he went over the
top rope and out through the middle rope, and because
they didn't him until he hit the floor, it's all

(27:02):
about the top rope. So there's that, and then the
announcers go crazy over somebody who is eliminated already. I
don't know. So anyway, all right, well let's move on
a little bit here, and I want to jump a
little bit to Monday Net Raw and cover the major
angle that's happening there of Orton versus Edge, because I
don't think that we've talked about the greatest wrestling match

(27:25):
ever that we're about to witness of Orton versus Edge,
and I have for a couple of weeks now ranted
my face off about them marketing it as the greatest
wrestling match ever for so many reasons. But maybe you
have a different take if you do great, But what
do you think, number one, about the way that they're

(27:46):
marketing it as such and to the actual match itself.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
I mean, I take the last part of that first,
because that's probably gonna be the shortest the match itself. Obviously,
I'm looking forward to, Like I've s and numerous times
with you, I'm a huge Edge fan, and Randy orton't
for that matter, but Edge especially so of course, the
match is gonna be great, and I am excited to
see what Edge looks like in an actual wrestling match,

(28:13):
like they mentioned. You know, he did start out in
the Royal Rumble, which wasn't isn't an average match, Granted
he wasn't there for a while, and he did do
a lot of work in there wrestling and went on.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
One match is different, I mean, not that.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
I know obviously, but I can imagine it.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
It's slightly different. And then of course with.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
The last man's standing match, depending on how many edits
they did and how many times they started to stop,
it's just a different it's a completely different layout. But
not selling them short or anything like that. I think
it's gonna be a really good match, the greatest match ever,
not quite, hey, and if it is, I will.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Be so thrilled to be wrong, But yeah, I can't.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
And part of me wonders if it's if we should
all just be in the know, like we should assume
that they think that they being wwe think that we're
all in on the joke, right that of course, that's
not the greatest wrestling match ever. It's just like just
calling it that just to kind of be.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Ironic about it.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
But it's in my opinion, like, yes, Randy Oran and
Edge are phenomenal in their respective roles and their respective characters,
and they each had their strengths and weaknesses, but in
my opinion, they were never like maybe Randy Urton was
more so a little bit than Edge, but like I

(29:36):
just never looked to them for like the best wrestling
match on the card, right, You would always get a
very good match, but the story with them was, I
don't say more important, but probably the thing that was
always spotlighted and featured the most on the match. You
could always count on them to have a good, solid,
technical match, but it wasn't the greatest, right, Whereas a

(29:57):
Shawn Michael's type match, you know the storyline is going
to be phenomen and the match itself is gonna be
phenomenal because that's just what he always delivered or nine
times out of ten. So it's just so weird, and
especially like out of all the opportunities that they had, out.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Of all the matches, out of.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Just I don't even want to go down the list
because that be able to sit here all night going
over each one that could have been declared the greates
especially match of all the time, even before we saw
the match.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
It's just odd to me. It's just really odd.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
So yeah, and I kind of get bad for edge
reading Orton because I feel like they really don't want
to be saying that, but it's just one of those
things I don't I'm just choosing to not really focus
on it because out of everything, I'm just like, you
know what, it's just kind of stupid to me, and I.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Just ignore it. Although the graphic is.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Huge, so when they're doing their little prompts with the pictures,
like it takes up the whole left hand corner, it's
kind of ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
But yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
And then it is funny because like they don't change
the bottom part of it. So if it's like, for instance,
like Oscar and Nia Jacks, like it'll still say the
greatest wrestling match and the less on corner. I don't
have like their pictures or whoever they're talking about. So
it's just it's just kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
It's part of the logo. It's not just for that match.
It's they actually built this back. They have doubled down
on this, and I have absolutely and I know it's
a small thing, and I get it it's a small thing,
but they've now made it a part of the logo.
You can't get away from it. I don't know how
the announcers say it with a straight face. I don't

(31:37):
know how when Charlie Caruso randomly said it that Edge
and Orton didn't bust out laughing all of it. It's
just it's hysterical but angering at the same time. Like you,
the thing is that is, even if they absolutely tore
it down and they had a five star match, the
fact of the matter is that the greatest wrestling match

(32:00):
ever is subjective anyway. So exactly even if they absolutely
just it was unbelievable, which it won't be. I mean,
these two are these two are great, but to put
it at that high, to make the bar that high
is absolutely It's just it's hysterically angering, And I you

(32:22):
can ever have the greatest wrestling match ever because it's subjective.
It's not something that's fact. It's always going to be
opinionated based. So I mean, I could just throw a
few examples out there. You're telling me this is gonna
be better than Undertaker Seawn Michael's at WrestleMania twenty five,
or the very first Hell in a Cell match, or
Cmpunk John Cena at Money in the Bank, Hogan Andre,

(32:42):
I mean, like the list goes on and on, like
Rock Austin, like this is just it's insanity that they
would even come up with this. It's not even it's
like they're not even self aware that this is a
parody of themselves, that it's it's not even it's not
even funny. I don't know what this is supposed to be,
if this is actually supposed to be taken as a

(33:04):
serious thing, that it's going to be the greatest wrestling
match ever. I mean, I could go on. I've ranted
so much on it, but I don't know.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
I'm yeah, I know, it's it's really bizarre to me.
It's just for me, it's just really one of the
and I don't know why this, out of all things
that they've done recently, just kind of stands out. But
it's just like why, Like you didn't have to like
the match built itself, like they did a phenomenal job
cutting the promo, Like yes, Turie kind of ruined it

(33:31):
at the end, but even with that, like you were
great until you labeled it something that you didn't need
to label it as. So in my opinion too, it
can be viewed as a regular wrestling match that could
just be a simple pinball match, but you throw a
stipulation on it just because just because you think that
it'll add that extra something when you really don't need

(33:53):
to just let it be an actual wrestling match and
let them go out there and tell the story and
that's it. So in a way, I feel kind of
bad for them because it we're focusing more on the
stupid tagline for it than what will most likely be
a really good match.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
So it's because they're putting an expectation on the match
before it happens. If something, everybody has their own greatest
wrestling match. A lot of them are common, but you
don't know it's the greatest match you've ever seen until
you've seen it. It's not something ahead of time that
you go, oh, I know for sure that's going to
be the greatest match wrestling match ever. And for the
promotion itself to tell you that this is going to

(34:29):
be the greatest wrestling match ever is setting the bar
stupidly high that there's so many negatives to this. I'm
just gonna get off it because it's it's seriously easily
out of however many year twenty plus ers watching wrestling,
easily the dumbest tagline I've ever seen by far for
any match that I've ever seen that this is it's
just so it's awful. But the match itself, yes, I'm

(34:52):
really looking forward to it to seeing what we were
cheated out of at WrestleMania from them in the ring
because they only they were only in the ring for
a couple of rkos and then they immediately went to
the back for a few hours and started hitting with
each other with everything that they could see, and it
became redundant. I mean it was. I hate to say it,

(35:12):
but I was disappointed with it. Yes, the crowd wasn't there,
and I felt bad, very bad for Edge and that
was obviously he got health a delta, really crappy hand
and all that, but they got robbed. Edge got robbed
big time with no crowd. But the fact of the
matter is, I mean, we all know it was too long.
I think that we got robbed with them not being
in the ring, and that's what I'm looking forward to

(35:33):
it as a straight up wrestling match, So that is
a big positive. I'm gonna pretend that the greatest wrestling
match ever is not the expectation and just look at
it as two guys that are absolute professionals in the ring,
and I expect a very good match and I'll leave
it at that. So any final thoughts on Randy Orton
versus Edge, I mean beyond and also Edges promo that

(35:55):
he I mean, he just continues to crank out believable
promo after believable promo at his backstage like sit down
promos that he does. I mean, I was Edge always
this good with promos or did he just like sit
in promo school for the last nine years while he
was recovering. I mean, he's a damn genius on the mic.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah, well, I in all, honestly, I do hear that
going to acting school has benefited a lot of them.
And The Rock obviously was always a great promo. But
even he had mentioned in the past like acting school
just really helped him refine certain aspects of cutting a
promo and just speaking in general. So and I know

(36:35):
Edge in the past has mentioned that he did do
a lot of those classes in the beginning. But to me,
Edge was always a really good promo he because he
was always, in my opinion, especially more so when he
was in his singles about in his career, his stories
is what carried the matches. So in my opinion, he's
always been a really good promo I think now just

(36:58):
with the heart felt meaning behind everything and just the
story that he's had to overcome and everything that he's
been the past nine years, and we didn't think we'd
see him.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I think now we're just so.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Emotionally connected to him that it just means that much
more now. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Other than that, I'm just I'm looking forward to the match.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
No, I am too, I am too, and I'm gonna
I'm gonna go with it a kind of a mid
range expectation and that's really where I'm gonna go with it.
And what's great too, And here's some positive things, and
I would I'm guessing that you also view this as
a positive. The fact that they will at least have
some people in the audience, albeit NXT trainees that are

(37:42):
probably instructed to cheer for the heels boo or I'm sorry,
cheer for the baby vices boo the heels. But there's
at least crowd noise. I mean, yes, there's twenty people
there whatever. Even that, to me, has really helped with
the presentation. I don't care if they're ripping off aw
others doing a I don't care, I don't care. The
fact of matter is it makes the presentation better, and

(38:04):
it has to me made this show like I'd say
like two or three notches more watchable, just with that
crowd noise and not constant like creaking, and you can
hear things that I know I shouldn't hear, and like
background noise that I know I shouldn't hear, and I'm
looking for somebody to be reacting to what's going on
in the ring beyond the announcers. And I don't know,
how do you feel about the NXT trainees taking the

(38:26):
role of the WWE fans.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
I loved it the second I saw it on WROW.
It made such a big difference.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
And yeah, like you.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Know, they it is obvious they are trying to be
the basic fan or the fan that w W would
want us to all be, to exactly or cheer for
exactly who the good guy is and exactly who the
back guy is and just go from there. So yeah,
you know that that is pretty noticeable. But I'm just
so happy to actually hear background noise and to see

(38:57):
people there, even though they are behind plexiglass, And even
that in and of itself is interesting to see the
difference that w route or the different route that WWE
to compare it to AW and whether WWE is gonna
leave it like that for the next few months ters
per se or if they're gonna end up changing it,

(39:17):
But yeah, I'm just happy that you can actually see
and hear people again, and it definitely does give more
life to the show, and like you said, it does
masks some things that you shouldn't necessarily hear.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
And I'm just I'm I'm happy for.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
The wrestlers too because they actually had people to play
off of now as well. So it's all positives in
my book.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Stay right there. The WWE podcast will return after this
quick break.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Hey, everybody. So it's not often that we talk about
music here on this show or bands, but when we do,
I think it's when it's worth listening to and when
I run across a song or a band that I
think it's worth sharing this show. And that's one of
these moments, and that's one of those bands that I
think you guys should listen to. And it's just a

(40:07):
particular song right now. And the song is called to
the Fallen Sons. It's by a band called Corollas cr
ol Us and they're a newly formed band from Sweden
and they love making music about history, which is really
really cool. So this song in particular is about Coroleans

(40:28):
and the soldiers of the Swedish kings, King Charles the
sixth and King Charles the seventh in the late seventeenth
and eighteenth centuries. So let me give you a quick sample,
and again you can find them on Spotify under the
song to the Fallen Suns. It's by Corollas cr ol Us.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
To wait a minute, sad, Welcome back to the w

(41:34):
w E podcast.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Let's get back to more great wrestling audio.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yep it is. And I honestly people ask me, I
haven't I have not heard when they're going to be
bringing fans back. I would say that they'll probably be
late to the game because there's so much. There's so
much to it beyond just the pr look of it.
If something goes wrong, there's health codes, and you gotta
worry about from state to state, what phase are they in,

(42:13):
where are you at? What are the health restrictions in
this city? In that city?

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Are they in the amount of time I was thinking
about too, like it would take like even if you
just say, let's say you allow two hundred fans to
buy tickets, right, just put two.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Hundred tickets on sale.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
First comfort serve how long the process is gonna take
to get them tested even into the building, right, because
you can't necessarily trust people to get tested. And even
if like someone is let's say, not feeling too great,
like they already bought their ticket travel down there, they're
gonna go regardless, you know, like no one there. If
it's up to them, they're gonna go. So if you're

(42:47):
testing people before, like fans, before they can even get
into the arena, how long is that process gonna take?
Because getting into the arena in and of itself already
takes a good amount of time. Granted, I'm sure we
won't be talking thousands of peopeople, but it's just going
to be so different and time consuming and something that
they're gonna have to weigh the pros and cons. And

(43:08):
that's gonna be cost effective as well, because they're gonna
have to have make sure that they provide masks in
certain things. So it's not going to just be like, okay,
we're we can open, but only two hundred people, but
you're good, good to go, right, like just come in
as normal.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
That's yeah. I don't know. Maybe they take everyone's temperature
at the door. I mean I know where I work.
That's what they're proposing whenever we reopen hasn't happened or
building anyway. Is like, we're gonna have to take everyone's
temperature at the door. Well, the problem with that is
you may catch some people that if they've contracted it.
What if they're asymptomatic, right, Like, there's a lot of

(43:42):
cases in which you don't run a fever. So the
only factor that you're using is temperature. Well that's not
they only catch all. I mean, so the fact is
that outside of testing everyone at the door, getting the
results in minutes, hoping that there's not a false negative,
because there's been a lot of those. By the way,
you're never going to prevent everyone who wants to come

(44:04):
that can't or that is there that may have the
virus from entering the building, because there's lots of ways
around it. If it's a false negative, there's a symptomatic
on and on and on. But if everyone has to
wear a mask and stay six feet apart, that's always
been kind of the protocol throughout the entire United States anyway.
So if they just follow that procedure, I think they'll
be okay. But again, I don't know what capacity. I'm

(44:26):
sure it'll start out at like twenty five, fifty percent,
seventy five. But the fact is, regardless of everything we
just talked about, at what stage does WWE want to
dip their toe back into going around the country again?
You know, because from a financial standpoint, if you only
have twenty five percent capacity in a building, but you're
paying the city to be there in that in that arena,

(44:51):
to rent the arena, all of the expenses that come
with being in an arena, you may not end up
breaking even even that was double if you may not
end up breaking even with all of the expenses that
you have to incur if it's a twenty five percent gate.
So I don't even know how this is all going
to work with WWE. I would still think it's probably
going to be three, four or five six months away

(45:13):
since we until we have, like, you know, at least
fifty to seventy five percent capacity.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
That's my take anyway, Yeah, and really quick.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
I think Florida has been one of the states that
are more relaxed with the laws.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
And the reopening and the do's and don't.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Over the past couple months, especially the past month in general.
So honestly, what I could see in between the two companies,
I can see AW allowing fans to come in before WWE.
I think WWE is as much as badly. Honestly, I
think w needs the fans more than AW does because
AAW's wrestlers do such a great job at ringside and

(45:52):
WE as at least as of week one, you can
definitely tell, like we just said that they're kind of.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Restricted in a way and.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Poor people to stand the entire time it's on raw,
especially for.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
The three hours. It's just I feel so bad.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
But so like I was saying, I could see that
would be probably maybe closer to the end of the
year if anything.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
But I could see them just doing shows at.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
The Performance Center for the first few months and kind
of just seeing how that goes, playing that out, and
then maybe going from there and hopefully at that point
more states will be open and maybe this thing will
be a little flattened out at that point.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Or release we'll have more answers.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
So I think maybe that's how they'll played out, and
just basically treat Florida as their their base right now
and then just do everything there for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
And then go from there.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I think that's what they're probably gonna do too. They
have set up shop pretty darn well in the performance center,
and like you said, with Florida being one of the
more lax states and their rules and REGs with the restrictions,
certainly would be a good place to guinea pig this
whole thing and probably stay there, like you said, for

(47:04):
until this A lot of those states have lifted their
restrictions where they can at least fill the buildings most
of the way or whatever. I mean, who knows what
this is all gonna work out to, but that's probably
my guess too, that they're just kind of kind of
housed themselves in their little hole down in Orlando until
everything has been most things have been resolved and it

(47:26):
looks like the virus has passed again. This is all
just kind of projecting our thoughts here. But all right,
well back to the landscape here in wwe onto something
much more, much lighter. I guess that's not the right
word here, considering we're talking about otis now. But Mandy

(47:46):
Rose's dream on SmackDown? What like what was this? I mean,
they're at the pool right and Mandy Rose and Otis
are sitting by the pool and they have a glass
of champagne and Otis is doing all his oh yeah
stuff and they're sharing a glass and the next thing
you know, she dozes off. And once they did the
little dreamy transition, I said, oh no. I was like,

(48:10):
oh no, what's like? What is this? They just they
have to do something stupid, don't they? And it was
just a dream about a place she's already in and
it was Otis. I thought when she woke up it
was going to be Dolph Ziggler there and she's feeling
guilty about having dreams about another man. No, it was
just Otis and they kiss, but then she gets in
the pool and they kiss. Anyway, anyway, what what the

(48:33):
hell was this? Do you have any idea?

Speaker 3 (48:35):
So it was again so bizarre.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Maybe that's my work for that, but it was just
so like, now what I was expecting.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
I was like, you was expecting either.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Dolph Zigler or some male model, like just a stereotypical
like looking guy that you would normally think that a
Mandy Rose type of female would go for, And when
it was Otis, it was just like wait what. But
it was like a different version of itis, like he
was more confident, Like he was just more of like
a man's man of Otis and not like the more

(49:11):
timid just like, oh like my little peached he was
just like.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
He like took control.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
So I don't know if that was like mean, like
maybe like a foreshadow for the future.

Speaker 7 (49:22):
Maybe Mandy is what Otis needs to tough enough, or
maybe maybe not tough enough, but just like take a
more serious route, especially since he has the briefcase now,
so maybe this could be a sign that Mandy is
what Otis needs to get on track and take things
more seriously.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
So but the whole kissing at the end, I was
not expecting them to actually kiss. I was the whole
thing like just I just kept on saying wow, really
like and it just kept getting even more weirder and
more unexpected.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
It was almost uncomfortable. It got to the point of, like,
as much as we all rooted for them to be
together on Valentine's Day and that thing that's turning out
for months, when now that they're actually making out, I'm like,
I don't want to see this, Like it's just weird.
Like if they do an occasional peck on the cheek,
but to do like full makeout, like come on.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
A quick peck on the lips, like yes, I was
expecting something like that, like a full make out.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Wow. No, they went to town. They went to town. Nobody
held back. Yeah, And you really wonder in real life
what otis is thinking. He must be loving this because
the fact of the matter is, in real life, let's
be honest, he probably would not be with a girl
like Mandy. I mean, it's just a fact he probably
wouldn't be. So he is truly living out his dream

(50:41):
right now. I'm sure, and that's great. And I'm really
wondering also what Mandy is thinking of this whole thing,
and as a person, I mean, she's probably like whatever,
I'm getting paid to do this. It's cool, it's fine.
But the seeing them make out was it was uncomfortable.
I mean, they could have the second they started doing
their deep kissing, they should have just cut it. But

(51:02):
it went on for like it felt like minutes, but
it was only like, I don't know, probably ten seconds
or so.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
I it was just just like an innocent like I
just noticed its like not like just like an innocent dude,
like an innocent character like he was just telling us
how he had like a learning disability as a kid
and how much his mom means to him, and like
so I was like, oh, like feeling not bad for him,
but like more in a sentimental route, and like now
I'm seeing him like actually make out with Mandy. So
just like wow again, like a complete left turn. So

(51:30):
I just wasn't expecting it, right.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
No, I wasn't, but you know, like you said, with
the dream though, he felt like a different man. And
when I noticed the most, yes, his demeanor was different,
but his voice he didn't do his like play voice.
It was just a straight talking guy. That's I was like, oh,
this is nice. It felt much better than his At first.
It was kind of endearing with his oh yeahs and

(51:54):
its like jelly shaken belly and all that stuff. It's
kind of like an endearing character and I think that's
kind of worn off a little. And to hear him
just talk straight like a normal guy, I was like,
this is great, Like can you do this all the time?
That's how I felt. Anyway, it was just nice as
a refresher. But I'm probably digging way too much into this.

(52:15):
This was just I don't know, entertainment to try to entertain.
I don't know. I mean it probably was just a
Vince mcmahonism of we got to get this crap in here,
we can't have all wrestling. It's probably what this was.
I mean, it was Vince McMahon with his bleach blonde
female obsession that he's had over the years with Sable
and with Tory Wilson, and I mean you just go

(52:37):
down the list, you just add Mandy Rose to that,
and man, Vince McMahon has done some weird things with
some blondes over the last ten twenty years. So gosh,
I mean think about it. I mean, think about what
he made out with Tristratus in front of his Comatos
wife at WrestleMania, Like, think about like something like that.
Like he's done some weird stuff. So God, all right,

(53:00):
onto something a little lot more serious. And I think
something that I'm surprisingly looking forward to is Lashly versus
Drew McIntyre and how well MVP has been doing as
this in this new role of being the manager that
he has just soft, effortlessly slid into as Yeah, he

(53:24):
does kind of part time wrestling, but to me, the
real money and MVP is in the managerial role, being
a mouthpiece for a guy that isn't great on the mic.
We see with Paul Himan and Brock it's it's it's doable.
And now we have Lashly, who looks like the mountain
of a man, finally tearing himself away from Lana getting
rid of that shedding. That just my estimation, a god

(53:48):
awful storyline that I think damaged to both guys. Are
both both men and women here the Lashly and Lana,
I think it really did not do them many favors.
And putting him in with MVP, who has been really
tearing it up on the mic, being very believable, just
just settling into that role very nicely, giving him multiple

(54:10):
segments on Raw, I mean he has really added a
lot to Lashley and I'd like the pull apart from Raw,
I think that Lashly is a credible threat. Although I
don't think he'll win, he's a credible threat. He's a
guy that's ever got an opportunity at the championship against
Drew McIntyre. It's a new matchup. Everybody loves new and

(54:32):
again MVP, I can't say enough about him.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
I agree one hundred percent with you MVP, and he's
one of those that I think had situations not been
what they have been for the past few months, I
don't think he would have been getting the time.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
On TV that he has, or the role for that matter.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
So he is one of those, like in Oscar, that
I'm just really happy for that they're getting their time
to really shine.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
And I agree with everything he said of MVP.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
He's just he's kind of revitalized the Lashley character in
a way, and Benwood Lashley has needed, in my opinion,
just that mouthpiece and just that that support right there,
that just that he needed because he was he has
obviously everything he's he looks incredible, obviously like he he
is what you would think of pro wrestler is, but

(55:26):
he was just missing that one little thing, and in
my opinion, MVP was it.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
So I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
I don't think he's going to beat Drew a backlash,
but man, I think it's gonna be a hard hitting match,
and I can even see them having.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
A rematch after this.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
When Bobby Lashley loses, I can see MVP kind of
talking their way back into another match with Drew and
kind of dragging it out as well. So it, and
again it's it's a credible opponent for Drew because visually speaking,
of course, like I just said, like Bobby Lashley is
a credible opponent for him, So it's it's it's just

(56:03):
gonna be a really good imagine. Again again, I'm so
happy that they put the title on Drew, and Drew
has really saved the show and been the star that
they needed on Monday Nights since WrestleMania. So I'm just
I'm happy with what they're doing and in the grand
scheme of things, because in my opinion, it could be
a lot worse. So I'm happy with the direction that

(56:25):
they're going in right now, and they're.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Building Lashley as a credible a credible threat. And I
hope that this is not just a quick one off
with Lashley. I don't think it will be or even
just a quick one two pay per view like you said.
If it's there's a follow up next month. My hope
is that they take advantage of Bobby Lashley while he's
here and and realize that this is a guy that

(56:49):
is not that doesn't come along often, but the obviously
his hyzekee is is beyond human. He's got a great Look,
his promos were never good, but now you've solved that.
With MVP being absolutely brilliant on as his mouthpiece, and
you put him in a championship match, you could really

(57:11):
build him from here. Again, this is not about him
winning the championship right now. I don't think anyone believes
he will, it would make any sense at all. But
it's about building Bobby Lashley to potentially move on to
somebody bigger, maybe brock Lesner. Right even though brock Lesner
doesn't have the championship, people have always wondered, what about
Bobby Lashley versus brock Lesner. I think that's something that

(57:33):
could happen, could have happened at SummerSlam, could have happened
even further than that it could. But to me, this
is the focus on This is not about Bobby winning
the title. It's about building Bobby Lashley as a beast
and building him and using a guy like him to
his full potential. And to me, I mean I could
see lash Lee versus lash Lee versus a lesser I mean,

(57:57):
could you see that?

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (57:59):
Absolutely? And that's the exact route that that I can
imagine them going in with, especially with SummerSlam being right
around the corner. I know, of course it's not most
likely go to be in Boston like originally planned, but
if they can get Brock back in for a SummerSlam match,
I can see that being that match, because who better

(58:19):
to call out brock Lesner than an MVP mouthpiece wise, right,
And you can just imagine MVP and Paul ham and
going back and forth on the mic and carry in
that storyline and kind of having brought Bobby Lashley be
the I guess and this could be debatable too, but
you can kind of turn Brock face in a way,

(58:41):
like you can have Brock be the baby face and
just have Bobby Lashley be that new bad ass heel
and just be standing there in that visual beast that
force that brock Lesnar you normally is, and have MVP
sitting there hyping him up, and have kind of Paul
Hayman just had a loss for words. So I just
think that there's so much so you could put into that. Again,

(59:02):
it would be, you know, just another one of those
things that's unfortunate that you can't witness live. But man,
they could really put some substance into that if that's
the bread that.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
They want to go.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
But regardless, they shouldn't just drop Lashly after this, not
with the word the work they've been doing with them
and how good it's been. They just need to make
sure whatever they do after this, they they protect him
and just continue to build him.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Strong exactly that is, And I can't stress that enough.
I mean, this is this is not about Lashly just
being the hot shot one two pay per view punch. Here.
They've got something here. I don't know how big this is,
but there's something here that's special between MVP and Lashly,
and I just now again, could it be just something

(59:47):
that six months from now we go hmm, yeah, that
it's getting kind of boring. It didn't really work, But
we could say at least they tried.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Yeah, could you get six months out of it?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yep? Or we could say, damn, how did where has
this been? I mean, we could be saying either one,
and I'm hoping for the latter. I'm hoping that we go,
this is awesome? Where has this Lashly been for thirteen years?
And I think it's possible. But again, yes, you're right,
this is about building stars and Lashley is not exactly young.

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This guy is I believe in his forties early forties.
I mean, he's not a young guy considering his profession.
Now he's in tremendous shape, but the fact is that
he's you know, it's either really now or never with Lashley.
So you're right. They could sell it as a heel
Lashly versus a baby face Brock. They could do that,
But the thing is, if you get to that match

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and we're all anticipating eventually that happening, there's a lot
of back end work to do with all of the
all the things with Lashley being perceived as kind of
like the guy with a great body and he looks
like he's mean, but you know he's gonna lose. They've
got to change that, and they've started it, but they've
got a lot of work to do because they have
educated us for how many years that he's been in WWE,

(01:01:03):
And yes, he wasn't in WWE for many years. He
took a seven year gap or whatever it was being
in TNA. We know that. But in WWE land, there
has always been this perception of Lashlee as kind of
the guy that just never wins the big one. He's
great body, not a great talker. They need to change that.
And to make it feel like it's a massive deal

(01:01:24):
when Lashlee and Lesner come together, because right now, if
it happened on Monday Net Raw, it would still be
a fairly big deal because of how it looks, but
how you perceive Bobby Lashley and potentially winning that match
would not be the same as if they had done
a ton of work to build him as a monster
for four months and then get him to Lesnar. So

(01:01:46):
that's my thought on that is there's a lot of
work to do, but they're on the right path.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
All right, Well let's move on here to raymis Stereo.
Apparently tomorrow Night will be having his retirement ceremony after
Seth Rollins, who has been freaking awesome. I mean lately,
he had a bit of a downturn, lost a ton
of momentum after WrestleMania and money in the bank losses,

(01:02:15):
and I think needed a little bit of a kick
in the in the backside, and then came out Dishovel
the week or two weeks ago on Raw, which was
awesome and you didn't know where he was at. God,
that was awesome. I know. If some people don't like
his music, I love Seth Rollins's new music. I think
it had to happen. It fits his Jesus like character

(01:02:36):
to a t. We couldn't have the burn it down
screaming when he's coming down with his hands folded. It
it's a contrast. It wouldn't have worked. So I like
this new evolution of Seth. He's coming down with his
hands folded. He has disciples that are blindly following him.
He gains those disciples by going to people at their

(01:02:57):
weakest moment. That's a cowardly thing to do, not fighting
for the people that are his disciples, but allowing them
to fight for him. I mean, there's so much about
this character that you you just despise but love to despise.
And I think Seth is on a great rebuilding path
right now. Since he lost Aop, lost Murphy prior to WrestleMania,

(01:03:19):
had two massive losses, I think he's on the big upswing.
And now we have him in Raymisterio, who seemed to
be on a collision course. I would assume that this
is going to be a backlash match with Ray Maisterio
versus Seth Rollins after we realize that this is not
truly going to be a retirement ceremony or Ray Masterio
gets so angry at Seth for interrupting this ceremony that

(01:03:41):
he ends up saying this is okay, No, I'm I
can't do this. You would I'm you know, I'm taking
you out of backlash, right. So those are my thoughts.
Give me your thoughts on Seth Rowlins. How are you
liking this and the Raymisterio retirement ceremony tomorrow night?

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Seth, First, I love the direction that they have been
going in with him. I love the Mesia gimmick. It's
just it's so great. He just plays it so well.
He just he's that slimy guy that is really great
at everything he does, and it's annoying and you hate
it because like he's he's cocky about it, and but

(01:04:18):
like he's cocky about it in like a calm and
like quiet way sometimes and like it's just but then
at the same token too, like he can do a
complete one Dady and just flip off the handle and
just really you know, be you know what, And it's
just like you said, like you you love to hate him,
and this version of of Seth Rollins is I think

(01:04:40):
that the best version that we've seen, and and in
my opinion, it just shows again that he is one
of those guys that just should always be a heel
because and it's again like like peopleth said that it's
it's a respect then like you you have that respect
for him, but you you are perfectly comfortable with booing him.
So it's just perfect. And again it's amazing to see

(01:05:04):
what he's been able to do with not having to
be in the title picture and maintaining his star power
within the past few weeks and just and really ramp
it back up within the past few weeks, I guess
you should say. And again I loved the disheveled Seth
with the hair, like I'll that image.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
It was just just great.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Like him standing I'll never forget him standing on the
side of the ring, just not moving with his hair everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
It was just perfect happen.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
Yeah, yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
That was just just gold.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
And I love that it was just for one week
and it was the week that Becky made her announcement.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
It was just perfect. It was just fun.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Looking back on it now, it was a fun little
Easter egg that they gave us, in my opinion, and
that was his reaction and look, we got something out
of it. It led us into the whole Ray mystereo angle,
which again, this is another one which I'm interested in
seeing the route that they go, especially tomorrow. I'm kind
of wondering if we get a domin exciting out of

(01:06:00):
all this. I don't know if he's still been training
with everything that's been going on, or what he's doing,
or if he's even the thought right now, but I
think having him in the picture, with Seth being the Messiah,
you can just take it so many different routes in
and of itself there and maybe having the initial matchup backlash,
but then maybe down the road at maybe you can

(01:06:22):
track this out to Summerslim as well and then have
Ray put his career on the line and then you know,
against Seth or whatever you want to do. If if
that's if if very truly is winding down and that's
sort of that they need to be going.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
But yeah, it's I'm just I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
To see this match too, because that match is going
to be great that you know, it could be the
greatest match of all time if you know, go in
by w standards nowadays, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Because you can just view exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
That's holding it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
So yes, and yes, so your question about Dominic, Yeah,
I think that that would make sense, given that he
has been a much more on screen type of figure
with Ray Mysterio over the last six months or so.
And I think Dominic will get involved in maybe Seth

(01:07:13):
surrounds the ring with his disciples and they threaten Dominic
and they threaten Ray Masterio. I think that's Oh gosh, yeah,
I mean, or yeah, try to recruit him. Oh gosh, well,
Eddie Gerrero already tried that. I mean. So, so, yeah,

(01:07:37):
this is gonna be interesting and I'm really looking forward
to this match, assuming again we're getting the step ahead
of ourselves thinking that this is going to be a
backlash match. But given pro wrestling logic, this is not
going to be a true retirement ceremony. You can't have
Ray Masterio, one of the biggest legends of all time,
have a a retirement ceremony that was announced only a

(01:07:57):
week ahead of time, and they haven't done anything to
really promote it. Since maybe there was a promotion on
SmackDown once or twice, but this would be everywhere if
this was truly his retirement ceremony. So ninety nine percent
chance this is just an angle to get to Seth
versus Raymisterio at Backlash, and maybe Ramisterio has a patch
over his eye, so it's Ray Asterio can only fight

(01:08:20):
with one eye. I mean, that's probably gonna be the case,
So this is gonna be interesting match. I love what
they've done with Raymisterio too. I mean we've praised Seth,
but I don't think anybody really anticipated when Ray Masterio
came back to the company that he would be contributing
as much as he has been between being a United
States Champion, getting involved with Emberto Carreo and Andrade Angel

(01:08:45):
Garza and that whole group, albeit a little bit brief
he got involved there, He's he had brock lesnar versus
or for the ww or the Universal Championship. I mean,
there were some moments that Raymisterio had that I'm like,
I did not see is coming in his return to WWE.
I mean, and looking like the old Raymisterio. I mean, yeah,

(01:09:06):
he might be a quarter of a step behind what
he used to be, but if you're not really looking
for it, you don't see it. He's just ageless right now.
I don't see a need for him to retire truly.
Obviously that's a personal decision for him. But from an
in ring perspective and from an on mic and WWE's

(01:09:27):
use of him perspective, they have gotten way more juice
out of this squeeze than I ever thought they would
with Ray, so credits and props toe and raymisterio.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Yeah again, I agree with you one hundred percent. Actually
couldn't said about it myself. I was not expecting almost
a damn near fool's full time schedule for Ray when
he initially came back, and I'm so thankful that we've
gotten and he's really really contributed a lot and really
been a stable and Yeah, like you said, I think
he's probably in better shape now than his initial run

(01:09:59):
with what we especially if you go back and look
at just size wise of his body, like he's just
you can just tell he's in much better shape.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
And he yeah, he may be.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
A tad slower, but you can't even tell. He's just
so smooth that everything still. So I'm just enjoying every
minute that we get of him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Welcome back to the WWE podcast. Let's get back to
more great wrestling audio.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
That's exactly what we need to be doing. And I
think that he's My guess is he's probably got another year,
maybe two. I don't know his contract terms, but he
looks like he could go another couple of years. I mean,
he has just been keeping himself in great shape or
getting surgeries he needs or whatever. I know he had
a ton of knee issues and all that. So looking
forward to however long this run goes with Ray. So

(01:10:57):
all right, onto our United States Champion, as we're speaking
of it, Apollo Cruise. I don't think anybody, you know,
a month ago, two months ago, would have said that
in the next the United States Champion is going to
be Apollo Cruise beating Andrade. I have mixed feelings on this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
You you first, Ashley, Yeah, yeah, I was not a fan.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
I guess I should say to put it lightly and shortly.
I just I had so much more hope for Andrade
and I'm really confused as to what they're doing with
him lately. I'm out of everything great I think that
they've been doing on the role. Andrada has just been
one of those odd ones for me. I don't know
what the direction is that going with him, and maybe

(01:11:46):
seeing his reaction backstage, which we normally don't get to
see much when a champion loses, is them visually being
upset and you know, throwing stuff backstage and all that.
So maybe that could be the start of something, but
I just, yeah, I was not expecting it it. I
was mainly more disappointed for Andrade than I was happy

(01:12:08):
for Apollo, as bad as that sounds, and I don't
just characterized, you know, as a person, I'm super happy
for him after eleven years and all the worth that
he is put in, of course, but just character wized like,
I just wasn't happy to see Andrade lose, just because
I felt like they could have maybe built it up
or maybe had had.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
It changed at the pay per view.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
But yeah, I just and I guess it really depends
onto the route, then the story and the momentum that
they put behind apollom now going forward, because I feel
like if you do something that big. In my opinion,
it was a big move to take it off of
Andrada and make that change and for him to cut
that primo afterwards, I think they need to have a

(01:12:49):
direction for him and they need to stick with them
if they're gonna make that type of change. So I
just hope that they actually put something behind him and
give us a reason to really be emotionally invested in him,
because I really really want to, like, really really like him,
but there's just something missing for me personally. I don't

(01:13:09):
even dislike him at all, like he's great and everything.
I just there's just something missing in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Oh, I think what's missing is we don't know him, right, Like,
we don't know who he is. And so outside of
the guy that has a big smile and comes out
and is just the very just generic babyface, we don't
know him, right. So I'm mixed on that because, right,
how am I supposed to be supposed to care but

(01:13:37):
a character I don't know? And yeah, I mean if
you followed his career, he is athletic. The announcers beat
that to death that he is super athletic. Well that's great,
but we have he's very one dimensional as currently presented,
and so I'm like, Okay, I don't dislike him, but
I don't really know him. So how am I supposed

(01:13:57):
to feel? How am I supposed feel joyful? Guide know
that wins the belt? Like you said, we felt more
sadness because we were more connected with Andrade as a
character than we were with Apollo Cruse. That's why I
think I felt sad for the character of Andrade too.
So I mean, I'm willing to give it a chance.
I don't hate it. I just don't know how to
feel about it. And I don't know if it's secretly

(01:14:19):
African American History Month and WWE, and I have no
problem with that, but it seems as if out of
nowhere they have elevated all of their African American stars.
I doa'm I mean, it's fine, I don't care, but
it's just it's just kind of ironic. You have the
Street profits and MVP and Bobby Lashley the main event
of Raw, you have Bobby Lashley challenging for the championship,

(01:14:40):
and then you have Apollo Cruz become the United States champion.
It's just kind of I'm sure. I don't know if
it was by design or not, but I don't know.
Maybe they have their own internal African American History Month,
but whatever, it's just kind of something I noticed. So
with Apollo Cruz, fine, I guess I don't know how
long he's gonna hold it, Probably not very long. Is

(01:15:01):
my guess. I would think that he might be a
Bronze stroman version of the United States Champion or as
he was the Intercontinental Champion, and hold it for a
couple of months. I think they're just kind of testing
the waters when there's no crowd and they can get
away with whatever they want. There's no booing or cheering.
It's just they can play without any consequences, and this

(01:15:21):
is a great time to do it. I'm not saying
it's the wrong thing to do. This is something that
given the circumstances, I would try things that I normally
wouldn't try if a live audience was there, Because I
think if Apollo Cruise won, I'm very interested to hear
what that crowd reaction would be. It could go all
different ways. It could be kind of silenced. It could
be people cheering like oh, that was awesome, or it

(01:15:43):
could have been booing like what the hell was that?
Where did Apollo Cruse come from winning the championship? So yeah,
I'm cool with it. I'm letting it run its course.
But my guess is the course is probably a couple
of months at best.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
Yeah, and before we move on, I think what is
lacking too, and I wish they just had more freedom,
especially someone like Samoa Jo, who I believe is going
to be a permanent fixture for the Announced table going forward.
But I wish that it really makes you miss the JR.

Speaker 8 (01:16:19):
Voice in w right, like giving you that backstory on
a on a wrestler, because like, for instance, like to me,
I just think back to like a Jack Spider, because
when he first came into w B, I wasn't really
familiar with him and his story and then like you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
Know, his background and things of that nature, and you
just always had JR. There explaining their history and how
athletic he was, he was an All American and things
of that nature.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
So when he would come out and say he's an All.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
American American, I actually knew what he was referring to,
and just the story behind him was just like a
catch line, and you know he actually had credentials to
back them up and things of that nature. So I
just think an Apollo Cruise type character really suffers from
the lack of freedom that the commentators have because especially

(01:17:06):
like like I said, as Someono Joe like he would
definitely and he does.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
I'm not I don't want to take it from him.
He does more than I.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Think any of them right now, maybe besides Cory grees
On SmackDown. But he does go into their background and
kind of connect the dots. But he just but like
a todd of Phillips franscans like he just like you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
You can tell that they.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
Want to just like go into the story mode more,
but there's just so many restrictions and what you know,
and there's different things that they have to promote, like
the pay per view and whatever the sponsor is and
things of that nature. But in my opinion, it's just
like that's just another one of those things that could
be beneficial for someone like Apolot that he's just.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Not benefiting from and not able to benefit from.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Let's just say, yeah, he could be a victim of that.
And to be honest, I mean, Jim Ross has such
an amazing voice. I mean he could he could commentate
a golf tournament and I would be super invested.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
I mean, Jim Ross is just he has that especially nowadays.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Oh gosh, really, I mean I honestly, I would take golf,
I would take anything. I would think most of us
would take anything sports related. But yeah, he's missing, he's
missing the backstory. I you know, I think that if
there was even a little bit of a backstory given
weeks before, and yeah, he got injured. We know that
he tweaked his leg and then he went to the

(01:18:23):
trainer's room and sobbed, like you know, he was about
to cry that he lost his opportunity, and that kind
of made me feel like I didn't actually feel sympathy
for him there. I mean, I know that that's what
we're going for. But this guy that was all cocky
slapping people backstage suddenly gets a taste of his own
medicine is in the trainer's room with a tweak me.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
I mean, I did he did a backflip like it
wasn't you know, If I'm not mistaken, it was because
he did a backflip and landed.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
He tweaked it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
So yeah, you know, yeah, like slightly like I want
to feel bad, but like again, there's just not it's
just not enough.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
There, No, there's not. And I hope they don't do
like a Three Sisters Bobby Lashley remake, like please do
not talk about your sisters. Just I don't care. I
don't care if WW has to post produce this, pre
produce it, and and just you go through a slideshow
of his life and have him do a quick voice
over for a couple of minutes. Fine, I mean, if

(01:19:20):
you're worried that he is gonna be a disaster on
the mic, then do it that way. I don't know,
but yeah, I don't. I don't feel anything for Apollo
because we don't know him. I mean, that's that's ultimately
what it comes down to. So I'm neutral about him
as champion, but I do feel a little bit robbed
that Apollo, that Andrade lost to Apollo Cruise given their positioning.

(01:19:41):
I mean, you had Andrade on a hot streak and
then Apollo Cruz comes in with a little bit of
momentum given the past few weeks before that, and then
it suddenly wins. And furthermore, about Selena Vegas group, of
which you and I were really high on, I've never ever,
in all my years of watching wrestling seen a group

(01:20:01):
form and immediately lose so much. And never never, because
that's never it's not the rule of wrestling. They are
going against all of the rules and regulations of wrestling
that when you're new, when you debut, when a new
group forms, they're unstoppable for x amount of time. They

(01:20:23):
just go on hot streaks, you know, nobody can take
them down or whatever. And this group formed, and it
was immediately poison because Drew McIntyre kicking their heads off
week after week all of them. Austin Theory defects to
another group and is not looking for retribution, which I
don't understand why. He's just forgetting that he was beaten
down and humiliated. That's apparently not a thing, but I

(01:20:47):
guess it's they don't want heel versus heel, so that's
probably what they're going with. But then Androde loses the
United States Championship. I've never seen a group form have
a lot of promise and immediately just get destroyed and
lose their championship and get their head kicks off, heads
kicked off. It's just I don't understand it because there's

(01:21:09):
so much there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Yeah, I really don't either.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
I'm that as one of the most disappointing things that
that Dede has has dropped the ball on lately.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
And because they had so much potential.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Each one of them was so charismatic and had their
own version and their own character and they they had
this weird vibe and this weird connection, like they weren't similar,
but they were super talented and super charismatic, where and
Selena was just like that piece that held.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Them all together and could have and they just could have.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
They could have drawn this off for so long, and
I don't really know why they didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Again, I don't know, and.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
That's what makes me question the direction that they're going
with Andrada even more. If you're not going to have
the group, then have them both be strong individually. Have
Zelina still with angel Garza still represent Andrada, Austin theories
over with Seth Now and Buddy Murphy, so they're all
just doing their thing, but have them still each individually
be successful and dominant. So just very.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
Confused with what they're doing with the mid cord. I
guess slots on raw.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Yeah, that seems to be where they've defined these guys,
and it's a damn shame. I don't I don't know.
I don't know what happened. I mean, I don't know
what the purpose of even having Austin theory in there was.
He was obviously the odd man out given the ethnicity,
but I think he fits much better, honestly with Seth

(01:22:42):
and I like that. At least this past week we
got to hear from Murphy and Seth Murphy and Austin Theory.
We got to hear, albeit very memorized words. I don't care.
We got to hear a little bit from them for
the first time ever, and that was nice to hear.
And so yeah, I don't know. It's just a shame

(01:23:02):
because there's a lot of potential. Maybe they'll re kind
of reinvigorate this. Zelena Vega, I mean, you and I
know that she is just a damn wizard on the
mic and her presence and everything else. I've spent many
hours talking about her on the show and how good
she is. Uh, but they're missing out here if they
don't take advantage of this. There's something with Andrade. There's
something with Angel Garza beyond Angel Garza talking about his

(01:23:27):
how he would make love to a woman in the
middle of a United States Championship match, Like why why
did that happen? Like it was uncomfortable? It was it
was like, is Vince on to make the viewers uncomfortable?
Road here? Like what what the hell was that again?
Like why would you even conduct an interview during that match,

(01:23:48):
He's just so yeah, oh, he was all in.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
He was all in, and it was.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Making me very uncomfortable. And it was in the middle
of a United States Championship match. There's so much there's
so much bad of why you would do this, and
the purpose was nothing other than to say, Okay, he's
a sex object for women. You could have saved that
till after the match. I mean, I don't know. It
was very puzzling and very yah. I didn't get it,

(01:24:16):
and that was uncomfortable. So all right, well, moving on
here a couple more things than we'll wrap it up
is let's see, well, I guess well, I'll end my
conversation with you with with Matt Reynol because I want
your thoughts on that. At the end with moment of
Bliss and we have Nicky Cross and we have Alexa

(01:24:38):
Bliss and they have the New Day on there and
they exchange pancakes and it's Nicky's pancakes from Scotland or
whatever that her mom cooked I mean, or her mom's
recipe whatever, I mean. I don't you know, I'm really
trying to be positive about this tag team with Nicki

(01:24:59):
Cross and a Lexa Bliss and Alexa Bliss I love.
I think she is a very good talent. That I
think right now is she has a belt around her waist,
but a belt that doesn't mean a whole lot. Right now,
it seems as if the women that get the tag
team belts are there's some kind of curse or hex
on it. And Alexa Bliss, I like Nicky Cross, am

(01:25:23):
I the only one that is getting kind of annoyed
by her over zealousness and giddy school girl and super
annoying on the mic. I mean, you have Bailey on
commentary or with Nicky Cross on SmackDown, and Bailey who's
the heel, and we have Alexa Bliss's been supposed to

(01:25:46):
be the baby face. I'm getting way more annoyed by
Nicky Cross than I am Bailey. And she's doing this
week after week acting like she's I don't know, on speed.
I mean, she is like over the top, always giddy, always,
She's like the obsessive kind of girl at school that

(01:26:07):
is somehow friends with the cool girl and she knows
that she's in the cool group, but she's still kind
of giddy and over the top about it, almost to
an embarrassing level. I don't know. Alexa Bliss, I like
she's always kind of the she's the rock of that group.
Am I the only one that's getting a little annoyed
by Nicky Cross a week after week?

Speaker 4 (01:26:29):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
And it started off as one of those things.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
I was like, okay, like it was a benefit right
with the whole situation Niki Cross being on commentary and
just them being more vocal obviously ringside you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
Can hear them more.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
So I was like, okay, like this could be a
plus because obviously Nicki is crazy and she's she had
potential in her initial version of her character back when
she was with insanity and all that, So I always
thought that she had potential.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
But so I was hoping, but for me personally, it's
just too.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
Much and like just the loud screaming and just like
NonStop and then non stop cheering. It was like really
taking away from the match for me and just more distracting.
Then in my opinion, then it helped, and it was
Bailey was making like more sense and like more points than.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
Nick it was. So it was just one of those things.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
And for that matter, so it was Corey Graves and
the one thing I will say I enjoy is just
seeing Michael Cole and Corey Graves just like more relaxed
and more just like buddy buddy with each other, and
just like more open and like actually laughing and cutting jokes,
especially like when Nicky's out there, and like they're just
reacting more to what's actually happening and not just being

(01:27:48):
like stuck to like what they're supposed to do. Like
there's just a little it's just a different vibe. So
I will say that that is a plus out of
all of this.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
But yeah, I just I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
I think part of me kind of thinks that they
lose the titles, and I kind of think that Nicki
is going to turn on Alexa and they're gonna kind
of go that route because then, of course you'll be
focusing on Sasha and Bailey and you won't really need
to worry about a rematch or anything of that nature.
But I think maybe that's what it's leading up to,
Especially with the passion of promo that Nikki cut last week.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
I think you can kind of go the route where
she kind.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
Of snaps for people still not taking her seriously and
just brushing her off and like just taking her as
a joke. Yeah, So I think I kind of hope
that that's the route that they go in. But yeah,
for me personally, I'm just I'm I don't hate it,
and it's not like terrible, but I'm just not really
feeling it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Yeah, maybe that's the road they're going unintentionally with laying
groundwork for Nicky being the heel in that program, and
I would be all for that. I think that's the
road to go because at the beginning, we all thought
it was Alexa who was using Nikki, and that probably
was the story until they actually had great on screen
chemistry and things started to click. So I don't I

(01:29:09):
don't think WWE can claim ownership of this being a
long story arc because they probably just stumbled into this
with the chemistry of Alexa and Nicki and now having
the reverse happen of Nicki turn on Alexa. Yes, I
think that there's a lot to pull from that. It
would kind of be a throwback to Victoria, who was

(01:29:29):
the psychopath against who was yes, yes, big time yes,
and and so you could do that kind of psychotic personality.
Alexa's Nicky has already shown that. So there's there's groundwork.
There wouldn't be too far of a stretch her just
losing her mind. Maybe Alexa didn't invite her to I

(01:29:52):
don't know, in write her over this weekend, or didn't
call her enough times, or like you could you could
do things that are clearly psychotic of like the overbearing,
over possessive friend that always wants your attention. There's a
lot to pull from there, So yes, please, I hope
WWE does that. I think they'd be a great storyline.

(01:30:13):
And so the other thing is, as we touched on
Sasha a little bit, when do we see Sasha finally
snap on Bailey. They have been and they keep continuing
to tease it, and they're doing a great job of
stringing it out, and from things I've read online, take
that with a grain of salt, but that they're stretching

(01:30:35):
this out longer or pausing this for when maybe they
have fans back and they're not going to be pulling
the trigger on this match just yet because of the
current situation. But given that they're still teasing it week
after week of Bailey volunteering Sasha for matches and cutting
her off and answering for her, they're laying the groundwork

(01:30:59):
very nicely. It's clearly where they're headed. You can read
Sasha's body language. It's very subtle. It's not over the top,
but it's just what I guess. I mean, it's hard
to predict when roughly do you think, well, they will
finally get the split and see Sasha snap on Bailey.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
I think if it was a normal world, I think
the Seeds would have implanted at money in the bank.
I think Sasha would have won. We would have had
a story of who's she gonna go after? Is she
gonna turn on? Bailey would be like, of course, you know,
she wouldn't choose me. She's and she's relieved that, you know,

(01:31:41):
she doesn't worry about the contract holder. So in my opinion,
I think that's probably the initial route that they were
going to go in, and of course everything changed in
I don't blame them, you know, if that's what they
are waiting on and trying to drag it out until
they can do it in front of actual fans, I mean,
I don't blame them, you know, like if they don't

(01:32:02):
have to do it right now, then why you know,
Like and it's not like Sasha is completely oblivious to
it and just has no idea what Bailey's doing, Like
she's she's not dumb, Like she's hearing what Charlotte is saying,
like she's hearing what Alexablis is saying, like she's seeing
what Bailey is doing and saying like she's not stupid.

(01:32:23):
I just think that Sasha right now is just kind
of collecting everything and I think the route that she's
going in, and she's just kind of waiting and biding
her time and waiting for the right moment. So I
think things will probably start ramping up soon because I
just kind of feel like this is going to culminate
at SummerSlam for.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
A weird reason. I don't know why, but I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
Again, they could drag this out longer, but I think
at that point they kind of need to either do
it or just move them to a different show, because
you can't just keep having this weird tension and like
these weird comments and then do absolutely nothing with You
either have to have it lead to them breaking up
or when the draft happens.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Or whatever, then have the move shows.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
If you don't pull the trigger, if you in fact
are waiting for fans and we still haven't gotten to
it at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
But I mean, I'm not one of those people who
are like, why haven't they done it yet? Am I
surprised they haven't?

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
Yeah, just because DEVID normally doesn't really show patience, especially
with certain you know, because that would be a big
deal and that would be a good talking point and
people would be hooked on that and want to see
how it plays out. So I am surprised that they
haven't yet, but I'm fine with them dragging it out
for a little while longer me too.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
I'm they've teased it for months now, and prior to
Wrestle maybe they were teasing it and they're still teasing it.
I like the slow burn, but I don't know if
it's an intentional slow burn, as you said, because WWE
is often very impatient. They know their fans are impatient.
But given circumstances, this is probably the way to go.

(01:34:00):
At the same time, there is a balancing act of
how many more times are we gonna show the tension
building before we finally pay this thing off. We can't
go forever, but do we want to do it before
Summer Slam? I think SummerSlam is the furthest you could
go that fans would actually be interested in that match.

(01:34:21):
I mean, again, this is me talking but three months
in advance of the match happening a little less than
three months. But to me, like, there are things you
can do. Maybe Asasha quote, accidentally costs Bailey a match
or two, not her championship, because then when they eventually meet,
it's probably gonna be for the SmackDown Women's Championship. But

(01:34:45):
I like the tension, I like the subtle body language. Still,
I'm still okay with the pace that they're going. But
can they continue this for another two and a half
months before SummerSlam? I don't know, or do they just
blow it off at what is it extreme rules that's
after a backlash? Maybe there are paths in which you

(01:35:07):
can get to the Summer Slam event and do it there,
But I don't know are they gonna be able to
string it out for another So if it's two and
a half months, that means there's what ten shows? Can
they string it out another ten to eleven shows? I
don't know, but eventually that's what they're headed. And to
be honest, I don't know who else Bailey can run

(01:35:29):
through over the next two months before she gets to Sasha.
I mean, there's not anybody, as she says in her promos,
Bailey's kind of run through everybody. She even beat Charlotte
last week, who ww just cannot help themselves but have
Charlotte on every show that they do. But she has
truly kind of run the gamut and there really isn't

(01:35:52):
a whole lot left for her to conquer. So this
is the logical next step, but I don't know I
like it so far. I'm patient with storylines.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
Yeah, and especially with so new Deville and Lacy Evans
actually having there a separate few that's not related to
the title, so you even have like that little portion
of the division tied up right now as well, So
you really don't because I don't even correct me if
I'm wrong, but does Bailey even have like a storyline
going into backlash right now?

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
I think she's just kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
She's just kind of killing right, Yeah, she's just kind
of Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
So I'm not really sure what they're gonna do with
with Bailey. Of course, everything depends on if they end
up winning the tax Team titles, because I think that'll
that will really show us to what happens and what
rather they're going to go when and how this all
plays out. So yeah, I'm just I'm looking forward to

(01:36:48):
the moment when it actually happens, to finally see it,
if that makes sense, And.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
I think and rightly so, they want to be in
front of fans when that happens. But you know, it's
one of those almost that that's where fans are so neat.
I mean, fans are so needed for pro wrestling anyway,
but exponentially more in big returns, big matches, and big turns.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
Like that's just for Sasha, like she always generates that reaction,
no matter if it's a good reaction or a bad reaction.
It's always passionate, like she whatever it is about her,
like she just always generates that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
So it's just so unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
I agree at the same time with Bailey. I think
she's done an awesome job lately too, really finally understanding
what the heel Bailey is. For a while, it felt
like she was kind of floating around not knowing. She
cut her hair, but she didn't have a whole lot
to say. She eventually changed her music and it was good,
but I was I don't think she found her footing.

(01:37:46):
She's I think, really understanding what the heel Bailey character
is and has done a great job on the MIC.
I look forward to her every week. She just seems
to luck out in her matches. I love how she
cheats to win and everything right now with Bailey is
clicking on all cylinders and in ring on my presentation character.

(01:38:09):
I think Bailey's got it together.

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
Yeah, Bailey has been the MVP for SmackDown for their
women's division, like OSCA has been on Raw.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
I think Bailey has been that on SmackDown.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
And again she's one of those who I think has
really benefited from not having fans there because she is
so much more vocal now. And that's what we really
need it for this heil or this heel version of Bailey.
We needed to hear her be nasty and just be
annoying and yell at Michael Cole. Her going back and

(01:38:42):
forth with him just cracks me up, Like it's just
like I look forward to whenever she comes out, just
because it acknowledges the realness right that they're literally five
ten feet from the commentary, so obviously they can hear
what they're saying, So of course if Michael Cole is
saying something about me like I would want to react
and say, you know whatever back too, So it just
kind of plays into it, and it's just it's fun

(01:39:04):
to see her embrace it and truly grow. And I
think once Sasha does either turn on Bailey or they
do end up breaking up, I think that in and
of itself too, is going to be such a benefit
for the heel version of Bailey too, because a good
babyface Sasha Banks is just going to be so beneficial

(01:39:24):
to a heel Bailey and really just help Bailey grow
and just hopefully take it to the next level. Because
imagine if if it happens and then Bailey beats Sasha
on their first magic against each other, like that's.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
Just that's okay. I think Bailey or Sasha turning is inevitable.
We all know that eventually Sasha is going to have,
you know, the point of enough is enough and she
turns on Bailey, snaps and assumingly the crowd explodes, and
we're all waiting for that moment. Even though it's kind
of predictable, it's fine because we want it. At the

(01:40:00):
same time, do you want to have Sasha beat Bailey
clean off the bat. The answer I would say is no,
because there's a bigger fish to fry here in building Bailey,
continuing to build Bailey because you've already turned Sasha. She's
now the fan favorite, She's where the fans want her
to be. If you have Bailey beat her in the first,

(01:40:22):
maybe second match and it's some kind of underhanded way
to retain the championship, how angry is that gonna make
fans and want to see Bailey lose that much more?
Because when everyone thinks we're all assuming that not only
is Sasha going to turn on Bailey, but she's going
to be the one to take the championship off of her,

(01:40:43):
Well what if that doesn't happen? What if or at
least it takes a few tries for that to happen.
That I think is something we're not thinking about.

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
Me.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
I'm assuming it up until I just talked about it
right now that yeah, she's gonna probably take it off
her right off the bat. I don't know. I wouldn't
do it like the build. I would book it to
take it a couple of times to make it happen.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
So yeah, no, I agree, I could, I can go
on all night with it, but yeah, I'll try to
keep it short.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
I agree, Well, no, that's definitely a short yes, all right,
So the last thing I wanted to talk about and
then I'll toss it to you. If there's anything, I mean,
there are things look, I mean like there are things
I skipped. There are little nuggets here and there that
I did not discuss. But if there's anything we could
we can chat about it after. But the last little

(01:41:34):
note I had was about Matt Riddle coming to smack
down with Kurt Angle, who has been apparently rehired by
WWE for again. I read this that apparently there's fear
that he was going to go to AW so they
wanted to just not necessarily take him back because they
wanted him back, but rather take him back so AEW
couldn't have him. Whatever the case may be. Kurt seems
to be back on some kind of basis with WWE.

(01:41:56):
Who he is there to basically read a tell prompter
behind the camera and talk about Matt Riddle and how
he refereed his match and he's the original bro and
all this stuff. And for people that don't watch NXT,
and I watch sporadically because I simply don't have the time.
Matt Riddle is, from what I've seen, is a very

(01:42:22):
magnetic character that is athletic, unique on the mic and
has that clear it and I think WWE sees that
as well. If you have Kurt Angle legend of Kurt
Angle endorsing a guy like Matt Riddle and announcing it
ahead of time and trying to get the rub from Kurt,

(01:42:45):
they clearly see Matt Riddle as a big time player,
or at least anticipate him to become a big time player.
So I'm looking forward to it. It's certainly new blood
on SmackDown. We all love nua's wrestling fans. I think
it could be a big addition to SmackDown. How do
you how are you viewing this Matt Real call up?
Do you have any matches that you'd love to see

(01:43:06):
or how they'll position him?

Speaker 4 (01:43:09):
Yeah? At first, I think it's pretty telling that they
had Kurt Angle announced that he's debuting on SmackDown and
introduced the video package instead of just randomly throwing a
vignette and saying coming up next Matt Riddle, blah blah blah,
maybe showing a quick thirty minute package or a thirty
second package. He can tell they really put time and

(01:43:31):
effort into it. And I have a good feeling for
Matt Riddle, and I think SmackDown was the perfect brand
for him to debut on. And I think it will
be a travesy if we do not get Riddle in Goldberg,
especially since Goldberg is technically on the SmackDown brand if
we're being technical. So I'm just saying, man, we gotta

(01:43:54):
we gotta get her. They gotta reference it somehow. But
I'm very hopeful for Edt. I'm a huge Matt Retal fan.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
To me, he's kind of like a weird.

Speaker 4 (01:44:03):
Hybrid of like Kurt Angles agility and wrestling sense and
then brock Lessner's strength, and then maybe like RBDS like
odd charismatic promo and just likability where he doesn't really
have to talk much, but you just know he's like
this cool, down earth guy who loves wrestling, loves what

(01:44:25):
he does, and then when he's not wrestling, he just
wants to chill out and just you know, he's just
an easy going guy.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
So I think that's what they need.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
I think he'll bring star power in a weird.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
Way right off the bat and that's just my opinion.
I could be over hyping him in my head, but
I think that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:43):
That's someone that SmackDown will need, and I think he'll
be one of those odd characters that can be a
babyface versus a babyface, but he doesn't either take the
heel route or make his opponent take like Heal tennessees.
They can just have a good match, a hardening match,
and then be done and move on. But as far

(01:45:05):
as like maybe one on one matches or any dream matches,
I think right off the bad daniel'brian for sure, just
because I think that would be such like a good
like wrestling classic. I'm not sure if he saw his
match with Thatcher this past a week on NXT in
the fight Pit, but it was just so so amazing,

(01:45:25):
and I don't I don't think they'll necessarily get as brutal,
but him and Daniel Brian I think would just be amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
And then of course, like you know, like you're the
the for sure ones like your AJ.

Speaker 4 (01:45:35):
Styles is and and maybe like a Shinsky Nakamora of course,
but there's just so many things that you can do
with Matt and then maybe his eventual heel turn Man.
That just I couldn't even imagine what a heel Matt
Riddle would look like because I've never seen it if
he has been that version of.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
Himself in the past.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
But I just think there's a lot you can do
with them, and I'm hopeful for him because I don't
think why would they him up right now?

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
And I guess we could say there's.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
About any of them, but especially now of all times,
like why bring him up if you're not going to
actually do something, because he hasn't really gone for the
NFC Championship like he hasn't. Yeah, he has like a
couple of times, but he hasn't really had that strong
run to go after it or having it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
So it's interesting timing for sure. So I think that
says a lot in and of itself too, And.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
That's so important. The long term plans, and I every
time I say long term plans, it's like I'm speaking
a different language to WWE. But I really, I really
do hope that the long term plan for this guy,
and when I say long term, I'm saying six to
twelve months is set in stone that we're going to
go this road, right, We're gonna put him against Wrestler

(01:46:51):
X for a few pay per views. We'll move in
into here and move him here, move him here. This
is a guy that he's a special talent. You just
outlin some great matches that he should have, not even
hope he should have those matches with Daniel Bryan ag Styles.
Goldberg has to happen. For God's sakes, please Goldberg. It's

(01:47:13):
a slam dunk. I mean, if anyone's been watching the
social media prior to I think it was prior to WrestleMania,
I mean he was calling out Brock, he called out Goldberg.
He was basically just trying to make a name for
himself and pissing the guys off.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
Yeah, and then that brief interaction backstage.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
That's right, that's right. Yes, just just do it, like,
come on, just give it to me. Just just yeah exactly,
I mean, don't you'll get a great payday exactly. And
Goldberg doesn't exactly work by the hour, it'll be under
two minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
And just in Florida.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
So it's you know, like you know this, you know,
I mean there's just too many pros and cons. You know,
you don't even have to like each other. Just do
a quick five to ten minute match. However, you want
to do it just and be done, because Riddle could
carry it. You know, Riddle is kind of like an
Agy Styles in that way. I'm sorry, I'm gonna cut
you off, but he could carry especially with like a
Goldberger like, even like a Bronze Jerman like. He is
one of those rare guys who even being at his side,

(01:48:06):
like he's agile enough to carry a machine.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
Make it believable.

Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
So there's just way too many pros and cons, you know,
just egos aside.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
Just do what you gotta do for the match. You'll
both you'll both.

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
Be super beneficial for both of you, hopefully more so
for Riddle than Goldberg, because of course riders should go over.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
But that's a whole don't even want to get into it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
But yeah, it's just it's just yeah, I mean, just
do it and it's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
You know. Well, that's the thing that's what makes me
fearful of this match is what if they just say, well,
what Goldberg should win, Well, no, Goldberg shouldn't win this.
That's what my fear is. I mean, you know, yes, WrestleMania,
we had Bronze Strowman beat Goldberg, but it's WrestleMania. That's
your time to annoy a new champion. My fear is

(01:48:50):
that they look at Goldberg and Goldberg says he doesn't
want to do the job and that it doesn't make
sense for him to lose to Matt Riddle. That's my
fear that guy. I could see that happening where they
just no, that doesn't make sense. Goldberg is a bigger star.
But that's that's what scares me about that match that
we want. So all right, well that is all I

(01:49:11):
had on my list. And again, I know for everyone listening,
you're probably thinking, you didn't touch on this, You didn't
touch on this. We don't have We really don't have
the time to go into details about everything. But I
will be what the hex'a today, Today's Sunday. I'm losing
my mind. Tomorrow's so tomorrow's June. First. Wow, that happened quick,

(01:49:32):
But I'm not sad. I'm not sad about it being
June because even though it's gonna be like forty degrees
here tonight, it looks like, yeah, it's I don't know
what the hell's going on, But I'm seriously, like three
weeks ago it was snowing, and then we get ninety
degrees for a few days, and then it's forty thirty
five forty degrees here tonight, and then it's going to
be back in the eighties next week. I don't I

(01:49:52):
don't know. I mean this, I've gotta like look from
like a biblical perspective to see if this is like
the end times, right, Like somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Right literally thinking that the other day.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Seriously, like if you look at all the signs of
the end times, like we have checked the box out
of not out of ten of them. Probably. So anyway, Ashley,
did you have anything else that you wanted to comment
on additionally, or anything else that we didn't touch on.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
No, I think that was everything. Like you said we could.

Speaker 4 (01:50:25):
There's so many things that we could talk about, but
that we would literally be here for like five hours.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
So I think that's a good wrap up for now.

Speaker 4 (01:50:32):
Besides, you know, for you on Twitter, that's it's still
unfortunate we are not having you and go into your
page like your all your tweets are just gone.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
Is just like ads and stuff like you still see like.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
Your follower count and all that crap, but like there's
no tweets and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
It's just so sad.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
When I log in, it's it says I have zero
followers and zero people on following, but I can see
all my old tweets. I can't like anything. I can't
follow new people. Uh, like I am, I'm seriously in
Twitter jail. I don't know what felony I committed. They
just said, no, f you, you're you're I mean like,
we're not going to tell you why, but you're going here.

(01:51:09):
I mean yeah, they they read me my rights but
didn't allow me to actually use. Yeah, like I'm in
jail without bail like nothing. So hopefully for those listening, like,
please free me from jail. I mean, maybe you can
sign a petition and start it. I don't know. It's
killing me, trust me. There's so many times I'm like,

(01:51:30):
I just want to say this. I want to talk
about this. I want to talk about this wrestling related guys,
not George Floyd related. And I'm like, hey, like it's
killing me, and all I can do is just sit
in sit at my uh sit in my computer here
and talk. But I love the tweet, so damn yeah.
All right, well Ashley, thanks again, but before you go,
let everyone know where they can follow you on, you

(01:51:52):
know Twitter accounts that actually freaking work.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
Yeah, mine still works for now.

Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
I'm at a s H M A n N, So yeah,
feel free to give me a follow and I will
follow you back.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
No fair? All right, well, Ashley, thank you again for
coming on. We'll touch base soon. And I know that
we did talk about discussing the Undertaker Last Ride documentary.
I've reviewed it solo by myself one in two and three,
but I really want to bounce this whole thing off somebody,
and definitely, as as things roll on, we can we

(01:52:26):
can come back on for that specifically. Unfortunately, they've really
strung out Part three and Part four by like three weeks.
I don't know why. It's so weird, so frustrated. I'm like,
they're coming June fourteenth, where I'm like, what do you
mean June fourteenth? Whatever, So I.

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
Don't know if it's correlating them with the pay per
views or not.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
Probably probably, and oh god, there's there's just the whole
thing is just the best piece of wrestling footage I've
ever seen from a documentary perspective. So I yeah, so
we'll have to definitely come back on for that, but
in the meantime, I'm sure we'll have you on to
discuss all the things happening and wrestling. So thank you
for coming on, Ashley. We will be in touch soon absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Thank you so much for having me. Take care you too.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
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