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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Both Paul Hayman and Eric Bischoff are named executive directors
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Welcome to the WWE Podcast. It is Friday, June twenty eighth,
twenty nineteen. Thank you for joining me, and I've got
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And we touch on so many different things this week,
obviously leading with Paul Hayman and Eric Bischoff being named

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as the executive directors of creative for both Raw and SmackDown,
and so I won't spoil my opinions nor hers on that,
but we get into that, we get into Undertaker's return,
We get into Rickosheane winning the United States Championship, Kofi
and Samoa, Joe, Finn Baler and Shinsky Nakamura, so many

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which would be going up shortly in the next couple
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the show. All righty, guys, welcome back, and of course
it is time for everybody's favorite show of the week,
and that is when I bring a co host onto
the show, and Ashley, welcome back to the show. We
definitely have some news coming through the wire that we're

(02:38):
going to get to, but I want to welcome you
back to the show week number two as the official
co host of the ww podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yes, hey, Matt, it's so great to be back. I
can't wait to go over everything with you. I think
we have one or two things maybe to talk about.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, it's good. It's just it's you know, I will
probably have to, like, you know, make some stuff up
or yeah, some filler. Yeah, it'll be this. Guys, this
is gonna be a lot of a fluff show, so
not a lot of content, just the whole We're gonna
talk about everything and nothing. Don't worry, it's just yeah.
So with that, everything and nothing. This this big ticket

(03:12):
news item that I don't think anybody saw coming. I didn't.
I'm excited for it. And before I dive into what
I think and my thoughts about it, and that of
course is Paul Hayman and Eric Bischoff both being named
separately as executive directors of Ron SmackDown, Paul Haman executive

(03:34):
director of Raw and Eric Bischoff, the executive director of
SmackDown in the creative end, not it doesn't seem like
an on air roll, but on the creative end. So,
what are your thoughts on all this?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Man? Where to even begin with this one? I think
it's very smart of WW. I think it is a
great move, both offensively and defensively, especially with the Eric
Bischoff coop. I think I think they obviously Eric Bischoff
went had to have with him. Everyone knows that. So

(04:07):
who better to have on your team than the person
who was trying to do everything they could to put
you out of business or to be the number one company.
However you want to look at it, and I think too,
if they didn't snag Eric Bischoff right off the bat,
maybe AW could have down the road. So I think
in AW side, who else out there who is available

(04:29):
right now currently? Could you get that would be better
than Eric Bischoff to kind of not even do necessarily
anything creative, but to help navigate the show, help with
the timing, the production and everything like that. That's what
Eric Bischoff thrived on and I think someone like that
could have been crucial to AW because I think him
and Jr. Would have maybe meshed well over time, and

(04:53):
those are two of the best minds in the business.
So I think it was a very good move by
W snagging Eric before anyone else could.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, again, it's there's so many levels and layers to
this because it came out of nowhere, and I think,
you know, Eric Bischoff more of the surprise than Paul Hayman,
who we all kind of assumed was helping with the
writing backstage, but not to this level. Obviously, Eric Bischoff
is a big, a big grab for WWE, not just

(05:25):
because to make sure ae W doesn't get them, but
also because of the mind that Eric Bischoff has for
the business and obviously the contributions he's had throughout the years,
not just in WCW but even in WWE. I loved
him as the general manager of RAW. I thought he
was a perfect fit. And then when Stone Cold came

(05:45):
along as a COGM, they're on. Eric chemistry was just
rock solid. And I think that right now we need
to just while this is exciting and this is definitely
making news and getting a splash, and it's got people talking.
I don't mean to pour cold water on this at all,
because I am in the camp of excited, but I

(06:08):
am also a bit hesitantly I guess I'm maybe hesitantly
excited as the phrase I'm sure there's something better, but
it is because of the fact that guess who gets
the final say in everything, Vince McMahon. And I tweeted
that out too, But that's what makes me a little
bit cautious of how excited I could be for this,

(06:30):
because yes, they are the executive directors of their respective brands,
and they are the top dog writers, if you will,
are creative of their brands. But at the same time,
Vince McMahon has the final say, which scares the hell
out of me, because that is exactly and what John
Moxley pointed to is exactly the problem is Vince McMahon.

(06:53):
So when the game begins and ends with Vince, no
matter how many middlemen you have in between, it's not
going to matter when Vince ultimately makes the call.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, you're definitely right there, and that is something that
I'm rather, i guess, kind of scared of because you
can bring in anyone in the world into the company,
but if Vince McMahon still has the final say, then
it doesn't really matter who else is there. But I
think it's a good sign because why would Vince bring

(07:26):
these two guys in in these positions because he created
these positions. They didn't exist prior to this, I don't
believe so, and to give them a specific brand and
have them focus on each show individually, and I think
it may lead to other things too, depending on how
quickly all of this goes into effect, because did they
say when are they actively going to be in that

(07:48):
position or is it an immediate thing?

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Like That's my assumption was it was effective immediately. But
without going back and looking at the press release, which
I'll be doing as we're talking here, I don't. I
don't know. I would assume that it would be effective immediately.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, so, but I don't.
I don't expect any immediate changes. I'd like within this
week coming up, I don't. I think we may start
to see even more smaller things tweaked, which I'm sure
we'll get into later on. But I think probably one
of the first things to leave would be like the
wild Card, because I think depending on especially too, if

(08:24):
Eric and Paul are gonna have an on screen character
with these roles, I think we may see the w
B create their own competition kind of what they want
to do originally with the draft was to have each
show kind of competing against each other in a sense.
So yeah, I don't. But again, I think the whole
point with Vince even bringing them in into that capacity

(08:47):
is a good sign because obviously he's acknowledging that something
needs to change, and I think he's doing what he
feels is best to do that without completely removing himself.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, I mean, definitely, you know, good point. I just
you know, while this is a for sure a good
move from a visual standpoint, you know, the optics look good,
as they say, I mean, from from an outside perspective,
you may say, oh, well, ww's clearly listening to us.
Look at who they're bringing in, two of the greatest
minds in the history of the wrestling industry. From a

(09:21):
creative standpoint of Paul Hammon and Eric Bischoff, you know,
and I would like to believe that their their idea
is not just to get the fans excited and make
it more of a you know, more than it really is,
but to actually implement what we hope is going to happen,

(09:42):
and that is Eric and Eric, Eric and Paul taking
full control over their brands creative and having Vince McMahon,
while yes, he is the final say, are fears of
him still controlling behind the scenes even though he quote
put people other people in charge. He could take a
step back and say, okay, well I'm the final say,

(10:04):
but you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna be a
little more lenient, I'm gonna be a little more open minded,
and what you guys say, I'll go with. I will
trust both of your instincts, both of your recommendations, and
just see how that goes. Instead of Vince putting his
his typical, you know, Vince McMahon's spin on things, which
over the last five years has clearly not been the

(10:27):
flavor of fans. And that's my hope is while Vince
has ultimate control, that he's really allowing Eric and Paul
to both really run the show even though Vince is
the final say. And as you said too, it's not
gonna be oh my god, Monday and Tuesday Night are

(10:47):
going to look and feel so much different. That's not
going to be the case. Just like when the McMahons
came out last fall and said, oh, you know, we
hear you. We're gonna let you guys take control. Well,
shouldn't that have been what's been going on all along?
I mean, we're the paying customers. Shouldn't you give us
what we want? So the fact that you acknowledge that

(11:08):
you haven't and now you're suddenly going to it didn't
really feel authentic. It didn't feel genuine because nothing really changed.
And they said the McMahon's and Triple H came out
that night and they said, we're gonna give you guys control.
New matchups, Well, new matchups aren't the problem. The problem
is how WWE presents professional wrestling in sometimes an eye rolling,

(11:33):
very illogical way of storytelling. And that's the problem. There's
no true character development, there's no long term planning. These
are the problems, not we need new matchups. New matchups
are nice, they're a nice band aid, but they don't
give us and they don't address what the problem is.
And hopefully Eric Bischoff and Paul Hayman can both see that.

(11:55):
I believe they do, and they can start to change
it step by step, but as you said, this has
to be baby steps. There has to be a vision,
there has to be a plan, and it has to
be executed accordingly, and we have to have patience. And
I think that's the key.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
For sure, for sure. Yeah, And I'm i think one
of the things I'm very curious about as well is
with how public they made it today, how they capitalize
with it on TV, and more so with Paul than Eric,
just because Paul is obviously aligned with Brocolis and they're
so is Paul since he's already going to kind of

(12:35):
be on TV anyway, does that kind of give them
even more of a reason to just have him as
like not necessarily called a general manager, but like another
authority figure. So I'm just kind of curious to see
how that's addressed, or if they do address it on
air right now, or if they just say, yeah, Paul
is the new executive director and just kind of not

(12:58):
brush it off but just address it and then move
on and then we really don't see him on TV anymore.
But I'm just kind of curious to see how they
handle Paul going forward, and Brock for that matter.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I think they'll just go with as business as usual.
We we know Brock Lesnar cannot survive without Paul Hayman
because Brock Welesner is a, let's be honest, an awful promo.
He'll have his good soundbites, he's authentic when he speaks,
but it's just not a good promo guy, a wrestling
promo guy. So he needs Paul Hayman out there. I
think that they will continue to use Paul Hayman in

(13:28):
his current role, and then also he'll be dueling as
a executive director of Creative. I mean, look what they're
doing with Triple A. Triple H wears about eighty seven hats,
you know, and we're all just we just take him
at whatever he is at the current moment. He's, you know,
sometimes he's the Degeneration X guy, he's the NXT guy.
He's he's just Paul Aveck. You know. He's Triple H's

(13:48):
white or Triple Ah's husband. You know. He plays so
many different roles that we just were like, Okay, well
which one are you today? So I think we can
handle two roles of Paul Hayman, And I think that
one role of executive director of Creative will not be
spoken about, because I think you'd be undermining your product.
I mean immediately if you acknowledge it on air that
oh yeah, Paul Hayman is now the executive director of Creative.

(14:11):
I mean, you just that's one of those things that
as much as the curtain's been pulled back over the
years and decades, you still don't really talk about. So
I think it'll just continue with business as usual. I
don't believe that either will be an on air authority
figure based on the fact that of the titles they're given,
and it just it wouldn't make a whole lot of

(14:32):
sense to acknowledge that in a product that you're watching
that they're writing the story or watching it just would
mess up so many different levels, the fourth wall all
that stuff. So, you know, I'm excited to see what
Eric Bischoff does with SmackDown Live. I'm really really more
curious with that than Paul Hayman because Eric Bischoff has
been removed from WWE since Oh BOYD two thousands, mid

(14:58):
two thousands, seven eight something like that. I think he
left the organization maybe even sooner than that, and so
it's been you know, a good ten to fifteen years
since we've seen Eric Bischoff in an official capacity in
a management role, So that is, to me, the more
interesting side of this is Eric Bischoff.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, And I think because I do listen to his
podcast and even and they don't obviously talk about current
day product that frequently, but I think a few times
it's been brought up. He had mentioned like he follows
like the majority of them on Twitter, and like he
mentions like how much he loves Becky and like little
things like that. But he had even admitted to not
really fully watching the product and keeping up to date

(15:41):
with it. So I think that's gonna be interesting too,
and I think more so with him, he'll probably take
like a step back and just like observe everything when
he first goes in, and then maybe like a month
or two, will start to actually see changes. So but
it's perfect because he was obviously working very close with
Turner since their shows on TNT and with SmackDown going

(16:05):
to Fox in the fall, I believe it's October that
it's kind of like the perfect person to just help
make that transition as smooth as possible. So I think
maybe they were looking long term in that aspect with
him as well.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, I mean that that is something I didn't think
about as well. I mean, when you have Fox deal
coming up and the ratings are just plummeting, Fox could
easily say, yep, guess what, No, We're not gonna put
you on the Fox Broadcast network. You guys are going
to F S one, f S two, I mean, and
that would really damage the exposure of the brand that
WWE is trying to promote those SmackDown Live and so

(16:40):
I think this move is as much as a visual
optic move to settle the nerves of Fox executives as
well as satisfy fans fears as well, because these are
two extremely trusted, respected minds in the business. I mean,
just think about what they accomplished. It's insane. You mentioned

(17:02):
in eighty six Weeks beating Vince McMahon ECW and the
revolution that that was. And I'm not talking about WWE's
version of ECW, which was a complete disaster. I'm talking
about the original ECW. It was. I mean, just that
influenced so many different storylines, that influenced so many different stars,

(17:22):
It created so many stars. Stone Cold came out of that.
I mean, the biggest star in the history of professional
wrestling came out of it. So there is a lot
of this. A lot of this is look at their resume.
It's extremely impressive, settle the nerves of fans, settle the
nerves of Fox executives who are looking at the ratings
going oh my god, look at this, and also hopefully

(17:46):
as equally important as actually going, Okay, you've seen what
we've done. Now look what we're going to do. And
if you're what you're saying is true. And I actually
don't listen to Eric's podcast although I probably should. Is
that if he is not current with the product, he
probably won't come in and lay the hammer down right

(18:07):
away of we're making this change, that changes change. It's
a smart business decision to just kind of ease his
way into and familiarizing himself with the lay of the land. Okay,
Becky Lynch, is this and this, learn about the characters,
learn about where they want to go, Where do you
want to go? What do the fans want to see?

(18:28):
What do the fans not even know they want to see?
Yet there's just so many things that if he's not
really intricatetly incorporated in watching the product every single week.
He needs and has a lot of catchup to do,
and I'm totally fine with seeing the same product the
next week couple of months, but I think, as you

(18:48):
just said, the mile marker should be about three to
six months, we'll start to see some solid, significant changes.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, And I think with having Bruce Pritchard back as well,
that would be good for because they've become very friendly
over the past few years with their respective podcasts, so
I think, and obviously they work together in the past
when they were both in DW But I think having
Bruce back to kind of like help guide Eric and
just getting back in the swing of things and just

(19:15):
kind of familiarize him with a whole other aspect of
the company this time, I think that'll be good for Eric,
so maybe he won't be as overwhelmed. I think it'll
just be like a smooth transition for him to just
get back into the group of things. But I'm curious
to see the changes, and I think too part of
me was wondering when the announcement was first made, with

(19:37):
them just being so detailed about it, do you think
they'll just maybe one week, maybe next week, which I
hope they don't, but it wouldn't surprise me nowadays. Do
you think they'll have another like impromptu superstar shakeup since
we know who's leaving which brand? Do you think they
would even contemplate going in that direction or do you
think that's just not even a possibility.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I wouldn't, And the reason I would is fans are
already concerned, is i' mean confused as it is? I
don't even know. I Seriously, if you put a gun
to my head, I could not tell you who's on
what brand anymore. I mean I could probably get about
seventy five percent of it. But it doesn't even seem
like there's a brand split anymore. It just doesn't. The
wildcard really really really watered down so much of that

(20:22):
you just kind of go nothing is a surprise anymore.
You already know with this wildcard rule that it's not
really a wildcard rule. It's put our top four stars
on both shows. That's the rule. It's not a wildcard
rule because there's no rule to it. It's just show
up when you want, and doesn't really matter if it's
four people, because if you're a tag team, that really
counts as one. The math is all wrong. The concept

(20:45):
is terrible in execution, and you already know who's going
to show up to the show, so that a purpose
and that want to make it unpredictable with this wildcard
rule did just the opposite. So to do another super
start shakeup, I think wouldn't really do anything because there
isn't really a true brand split anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, fair, fair, I agree with you, and and I
hope they don't, but it's just with me. And like
when I saw the colleges behind their their respective pictures
and I was just like, oh, man, like I'm wonder
just for like a shock value as well. So I'm
just just contemplating, like if they were even saying to
do something, because you know Vince with the whole wildcard thing,
and you know, it's just like I can't put anything

(21:27):
by him, so I fear it was like, please don't,
but you know it wouldn't surprise me, No, it wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
And also with the whole Eric Mischoff getting back into
the swing of things, I think for him, he's got
such a good mind for the business. And I heard him.
I heard him a couple of times on the Stone
Cold podcast, and he still loves wrestling. He never really
shut the door on ever returning in it some kind
of executive or management role. He never truly shut the

(21:57):
door on that. He had other ventures, of course, that
he pursued, and I think for him coming back to WWE,
even as toxic as some of the environment may be,
he still understands at the core how to promote a
wrestling business. And I know that's a dirty word to
Vince McMahon, but at the core, that's what you are.
You may say you're entertainment, but what is entertainment. You

(22:19):
have professional wrestlers, that's your entertainment. And I think for
Eric it's just going to be like riding a bike.
You just don't forget. It's like, oh, oh yeah, that's right,
that's how I want this to do. This is what
worked last time, this is what didn't work, And for Eric,
I think it really will be just as simple as that,
but not easy given the corporate environment, how many moving

(22:41):
pieces they have, how many writers they have, and they're
constantly it seems like a revolving door when it comes
to the creative there, however, twenty thirty writers that they have,
and for Eric, I imagine that he will probably only
want to hear from a few and not thirty different

(23:02):
ideas as Vince McMahon has been doing and changing his
mind last minute rewriting the show fifty minutes before the
show goes on the air. You hear all these different
things that have been validated, I mean through John Moxley,
through several other podcasts and everything else. So I think
Eric will will bring a sense of control and calmness
back when you have somebody like this at the helm.

(23:24):
And same goes for Paul Hayman. I can't discount him either.
I think Paul Hayman has been with the product more consistently,
obviously since he's been with brock Lesler, since he returned
back in twenty twelve against John Cena. So Paul Hayman
is very more, much, much more educated on the day
to day of WWE. And I'm sure that Paul and

(23:46):
Eric will have a face to face meeting and Paul
is gonna, I'm sure get Eric up to speed and
given the dues and don'ts, and yes, you may have
been successful, but here's the culture in WWE today and
here's what you shouldn't do, should do and didn't not do.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, I'm just very I'm excited. You know.
I think it is a good step all in all,
because it's I think, in a certain way admitting you
he events is aware that a change needed to be
made or something something needed to be changing on each show,
especially going forward with SmackDown if they're going to, you know,

(24:23):
just completely revamp the product, and especially with aw coming board.
I don't think this really had anything to do with them,
like if they were concerned about competition or anything like that.
But I think, you know, maybe they it was definitely
in the back of their mind. But I'm just curious
to see what this means going forward for David to
be as a whole.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
So no, look, I mean overall, im you just kind
of wrap this up. I think that this is a
good move all in all. It got people talking, It
puts a little bit of credibility and stability, at least
on the surface. We haven't seen anything in execution yet
of Okay, look, we've got these two brilliant minds who
are heading up the creative on both brands. We created

(25:02):
new positions for them. We hear you that the creative sucks,
and it sucks terribly, and we hear you. We are
also going to soothe the minds of Fox executives here.
You guys know them. There are no better minds to
put in charge than these two. But at the same time,
if we look back six months from now and say, yeah,

(25:25):
they're behind the scenes, but what are they doing, I think,
you know, there should be a take the temperature time
and I think that time would be three months and
then six months. And if there are no creative changes,
and if you are seeing the same thing, the same mistakes,
and if it's even getting worse, then you could say that, Okay,
this was nothing more than a move to appease the

(25:48):
fans that in execution they really didn't do anything. And
Vince McMahon is still running the show a to za, So.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, I hope not, but yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I don't know. I'm I'm just hesitantly excited, but I'm
over excited. Same all right. So the next big item
that I wanted to talk about, I think, at least
in my mind, the next biggest item of the week
was the Undertaker returning to Monday Night Raw, Yes and Choke,
slamming Shane to hell and knocking Drew McIntyre over the ropes,

(26:22):
and there's rumors flying about that Drew McIntyre is going
to be Undertaker's opponent for WrestleMania thirty six. So did
you see this one coming? What were your thoughts on
all this?

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I definitely did not. That was probably the last thing
that I would have ever expected. I'm I'm very intrigued
by this. I think this could go a lot of
different directions. And I'm you know, part of me earlier
today when I was just like replaying everything that happened
this week, and I just thought, I was like, you know,

(26:54):
I wonder if now this is going to be sound crazy,
but I wonder if they can kind of play the
angle where Undertaker came back to help Roman obviously by
saving him from having Shane hit the oh what is
it called the coast to coast on them? But I
wonder if they can try to play it up and
have Undertaker, you know, cut some promos with him and

(27:16):
just like especially behind the scenes, but have Roman turned
heel on the Undertaker, and then maybe they can have
like their final blow off food at SummerSlam. It's just
a crazy thought. I do think Drew is the way
to go with this. I think Drew would get the
most rub out of a program with the Undertaker, because

(27:37):
we really don't need to see another program with him
and Roman. So I'm hoping they do go with Drew.
But I was just curious if they could, if they
were to twist it in any way and give us
something that we definitely didn't expect.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
That's not even something I've kind of look, I'm all
for it, like what you just said, I hope happens,
but I have really kind of thrown in the towel.
Over the least five years of trying to have w
turn Roman heel. I have been on that bandwagon, and
there have been so many perfect opportunities in which they
could have pulled the trigger and it would have been
magic watching him get destroyed by the crowd. It just

(28:14):
would be awesome. But the problem with all of that
is is one in one person only, Vince McMahon, and
he just came back from a fight with cancer. He's
a perfect inspiration to all the charities that they work with,
you know, visiting kids. They just can't do it. And
the time, I think, right at least in the short
term has passed for that. If they do it, I would.

(28:38):
I would be the first one to stand up and
applaud and shake their hand. I mean, really, I have
been on that bandwagon forever. So do I think that's
gonna happen? No, what I wanted to happen. Of course. Now, Undertaker,
my whole take on it is, did not see that coming.
Was awesome. I popped, And we all just seem to
crap on the Undertaker for how terrible he is in ring.

(28:59):
And I'll remember the Goldberg match from a few weeks
ago at the Saudi Arabia event, and it was awful,
and Undertaker has even though Goldberg was terrible, Undertaker didn't
hold up his end. Undertaker is just flat out old.
I mean, there's just no other way to put it.
He is just breaking down, and it's just human nature
and mother nature just telling him it's time to stop
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(30:50):
the badwagon of Undertaker. Oh my God, needs to give
it up, blah blah. We need to appreciate just how
special these moments are when we're still seeing the under
Taker competing. And yes, he is of course a shell
of what he was, we know that. And and I
don't want to remember the Undertaker, you know, hanging on
too long and he's just one of those guys. It's like,

(31:12):
oh my god, just retire enough, enough enough. I don't
want to feel like that. And I've forced myself to
just say, look you, this is these are the moments
that you're not going to get back. Seeing the Undertaker
the greatest of all time, you can make an argument
of certainly the longest lasting of all time, and him
to come back and hit a really good looking choke

(31:35):
slam on on Shane.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, credit credit.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
It was like a that was like an old school
choke slam. Yeah, that brought me back to like the
late nineties and and all that. Like it felt like
an old school choke slam. And clearly credit to Shane McMahon,
who's got springs in his legs to be able to
jump that high. So awesome. It just looked great. Uh
you know, complete turnaround from the Goldberg choke slam, you know,

(31:59):
just a few weeks ago. I mean the complete opposite.
I mean, my grandmother could jump higher than Goldberg did
that night, and so it was it was just cool
to see. It felt like a throwback. I'm I would
love to see an Undertaker and Drew McIntire match. I
think Drew could make Undertaker look very good, and that
is what Undertaker needs right now, with somebody younger, faster,

(32:23):
can sell their ass off and can make the Undertaker
look better than he is at this point in his career.
And that person could easily be Drew McIntyre.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Definitely, and I think I think that should be the
obvious route for them going forward with this whole program.
But I I think him and Understaker would have a
phenomenal match. I think Drew is the right guy if
you're gonna especially if it's gonna be Undertakers Undertaker's final match,
to have him go against someone like Drew, because Drew
could really get a great rub off of Undertaker. So

(32:57):
I just I really hope that that's where this leads,
and I'm curious to see what they do at extreme
rules and how the tag team match goes. I think
having Undertaker and a tag team match in general it
is probably a better idea because it's less wear and
tear less work that he actually has to do, and
Roman can carry it for them or the majority of it,
and then you know, can get the hot tag, come in,

(33:18):
get the pin if that's the route that they go.
But I'm just I'm happy that, you know, we had
a nice little surprise and a nice tree and it's
it's good to see take her back on roll and
it's it's fun to see him in an actual program
going forward.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
It is I just I've said this in my show
earlier this week, a couple of my shows early this week.
Is I just, I just would like an explanation. I
hope we get one with what where Undertaker? It's awesome
to see you. You know, you had an awesome night
on Monday night? Why are you here? What? What? What?
What did you? What's what prompted you to choke slam Shane,

(33:53):
to side with Roman and knock out Drew McIntyre? Why
are you back? And I could see w W E
easily ignoring this going well, it's just Undertaker. He can
do what he wants and it doesn't matter. Fans just
excited to see him. Well, yes, I'm excited to see him.
But you guys are all about storytelling. Tell me the story,
give me anything. Was Undertaker just pissed off about? I

(34:14):
don't know the shoes Shane McMahon was wearing. I don't care,
give me anything. I just hope they don't ignore that,
but I could see them doing it, so I don't
know what the reason would be, but just please please give.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Me one right there with you on that.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
It's sad that we even have to ask him to.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Do that, but I think I think for this one
they will because there's enough important people involved in this
angle that they can't not address something like that.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
True, and especially if the rumors are true that Undertaker
is going after and wants Drew McIntyre to be is
WrestleMania thirty six opponent, and could that be on Undertaker's
final match? I don't know. Maybe again, I said this
earlier this week, but I'm sure we're only we're the
first people to ever speculate on the Undertaker's retirement, and
maybe it will be his final match. My prediction on

(35:04):
the Undertaker's final match. It's probably WrestleMania thirty seven. And
the reason I say that is they want to get
to that round number of thirty for the Undertaker. He
will hit that at next year's Survivor Series. But it's
so big that you would want Undertaker to just last
last a few more months, get to WrestleMania. WrestleMania thirty seven,

(35:26):
I think will be his final match, and then they
can say three decades of destruction or thirty years of
They could market that thirty Oh yeah, you know they
really well. So that's that's my thought right on.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I didn't even think about that, but that's so true.
And I actually kind of hope they do do that
because I kind of gave me goosebumps a little bit
because I love the Undertaker, Like I made a special
trip to New York, not this Yeah, it was this
past summer to see him at Madison Square Garden. So
I'm just I love an Undertaker, So I hope they
hope they do that for him. He deserves it, there's

(35:59):
no question.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Cool. Yeah, it just makes total sense. I mean, my god,
you're a year away. The Undertaker can come and go
as he pleases it. Why would that?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
It doesn't have to be anything big, Like, the match
doesn't have to be anything, you know, very competitive, just
a simple match.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
It really doesn't even matter who it's against, it really does. Yeah, yeah,
it just it needs to be somebody. I will say this,
out of all the qualifications is as low as they
may be, it still needs to be against a somebody
that they feel as could be the future of WWE.
I mean, you know, it doesn't have to be a
top guy, but it needs to be somebody who's younger

(36:36):
and can make him look and take the bumps that
that are necessary while Undertaker can go at a slow,
methodical pace, and somebody that could get the ruboff Undertaker
in his final few matches. So those are really the
only qualifications. So yeah, but those are my thoughts on
Undertaker's retirement would be at WrestleMania thirty seven. But time

(36:56):
will tell. Time will tell. So next thing I wanted
to talk about, and maybe I'm missing something here, but
it's kind of the thing is, after I get through
these top two items, unless I'm missing something, the rest
of them seem to be a little bit interchangeable. So
my next item that I had was Ricochet winning the
United States title because we really didn't talk about stomping
grounds too much, and Ricochet winning surprised a lot of people.

(37:20):
I actually went on on a crazy limb and predicted
that Ricochet would win it because WWE has done nothing
with Samoa Joe and Ricochet is the more exciting star,
is the upcoming star, all that, and he ended up winning.
So were you excited about this? Did you see it coming?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I did not see it coming. I think I like
it and I don't like it. I like it for
Ricochet because I feel like this is great for someone
like him to win a title, and I think he
would be one of those hard working champions and maybe
they can do something creative like the Open Challenge, maybe
not that necessarily, but just something just have him be

(37:58):
like the workhorse of the show where seth Rawlins had
been about a year and a half ago. So I
think I really liked that for him. I think Rikoshet
obviously is super easy to get over with the fans
like young kids like him, and he's just he's fun
to watch. I don't like it for Samoa Joe though,
because Joe I was really just hoping that they would
give him this title rant and just let him play

(38:20):
it out for six months and have just a substantial
title run. But then next thing I knew, he attacked
Covid Kingston, so now he has a depute title match.
So I guess I'm I was disappointed, and then I
guess it just it's just confusing, because how do you
lose a championship and then just attack the another champion

(38:42):
and then just get a title shot that way? So
I think the logic, of course, is just something that
wasn't really a fan of and it doesn't really make sense.
But hey, if they do something crazy and actually, you know,
pull the trigger with Joe winning the de WD title,
I'm definitely all for it. But I don't have a
good feeling with it.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, you kind of hit all the nails on the
head with what I've been talking about all week. And
while I was not excited to see Ricochet win the
United States Championship because I want WWE to give Samoa
Joe a legitimate run, a role, get on a role,
be a monster, be unstoppable, and he has that, he

(39:21):
has the look, he has the most believable promos in
the business, and he continues to just lose and lose
and lose, and then, as you just said, which is
my biggest complaint about him being in this WW championship match,
which that's the only complaint. I'm glad he's in this
in the prominent spot, in the top spot for the
most prestigious belt in the business. But the problem is

(39:43):
number one, he attacked the champion, so which that's apparently
the way you get a championship match, by the way,
you just attacked the champion and you're automatically awarded a
championship match. Which, by the way, I mean, that's just
how you do it. It's so weird, it's it's just
it's just when you think about it. So that makes
everybody qualified for the championship, any championship. You just attacked

(40:04):
the champion backstage in their car and their bedroom, in
the ring doesn't matter. You just attacked them, and you
are ultimately just, oh, oh, okay, well here here's your
championship match. It's ridiculous. What's more ridiculous is, okay, Somojo
attacked him. You know, WW automatically awarded him with the
championship match. But unless I'm wrong, because I watched the

(40:26):
hula version of RAW. I don't believe that they explained
why he's getting a championship match. Did Kofi Kingston burst
into the McMahon's office and say, I want to match
with sumojoed extreme rules? I don't care if I have
to put my championship on the line. I don't think
they did that. I don't. I don't recall seeing any
of that and the and the playbacks of Raw.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
So yeah, either I don't. I don't. I don't think
so either. And that was one of my main complaints.
But like probably, like you said, like the only complaint
because I think it's gonna be a great match, But
it's just, you know, the issue with your show is
creativity and storylines. When you literally have an opportunity to
create a storyline and a program and something that could
last for potentially a few months, like you don't, I

(41:06):
don't understand why they don't just go with it, Like
I feel like it's harder to not go with it
than it is to go with it, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, No, that does make total sense. It does, and
I would just like them to. Unfortunately, the thing is
that this is such basic storytelling, like my five year
old nephew could come up with a more coherent basic
storyline than what's presented. I mean, I'm being sill like.
Unfortunately I wish I was joking, but sometimes some like this.

(41:35):
As much as I love Samojo, I want him in
this spot. This is what I want. Yes, So ok, WW,
you gave me what I wanted. At least he didn't
win the belt yet, but he's in the spot I
want him in. But how did you get there? This
is the problem. You jump from A to D and
what about B and C? Like, just tell me anything
you could have KOFE. It would take fifteen seconds to

(41:57):
have him barge in the office and you just start,
you know, freaking out on management and demanding a match
with Samojo. Fine, even that would I would be totally
cool with. But they just go up, Well, Tomojo attacked him.
Here's your championship match. I mean it happened. This is
unfortunately not the only time that it's happened with WW.
But I digress. But so on onto what I actually

(42:17):
think about the match. I don't think he'll win, which
is the problem that I have with him being now
out of the US title picture. I was like, oh,
he's moving to the United or the w B Championship.
But the problem is he's just being used as a
pawn for Kovie Kingston to overcome. Being he's another hurdle
for him to jump over. He's another mountain for him
to climb. It's just about Kobe Kings right now. And look,

(42:39):
I love Kofe. I think he's a good, good champion.
I'm loving I like the ride, but the problem is
the ride is not over yet, because it's not time
for it to be over. Even though I love Samojo
and I want him to be champion, it's still too
soon after WrestleMania for Kofe to drop the belt. At
least in my estimation, I would think that Kofe won't try,

(43:00):
but minimum would be Summer Slam, probably not until later
in the year. I wouldn't bet my house on it,
but I would say that it's a very very solid
chance that Kofe Kingston will retain at Extreme Rules Samoa
Joe though you know, playing Fantasy Land here, if he
does win, I will lose my mind. To put nicely,

(43:21):
I mean, I was gonna say another word, but I
will like because it's I would say yes, and that
would send a message to fans. We're going a different direction. Now,
you guys have had your time to celebrate with Kofe.
You all went on the ride with him from elimination
Chamber through the eleven years to now you guys celebrated
he had a WrestleMania moment. Blah blah blah. It is

(43:42):
now time for the heels to take over. When you
look at the number of Babyface champions and WW it's overwhelming.
Outside of the tag team division, it's overwhelmingly Babyface champions,
and it's time to start having heels win back those belts.
And I would, I am, and I've been clamoring and
just salivating for a Samoa Joe WWE and or Universal Championship,

(44:06):
just massive heel run that lasts six to twelve months.
I just I need it. I crave it. It has
to happen.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
I know, I know, I so hope it does. He
deserves it. He's one of those guys who has put
in the work and then some and he just they
just need to pull a tricker on him. They just
need to to let him have it. And like you said,
I don't think it's going to be at extreme rules
against Goofy Kingston. Unfortunately, I think they should obviously, you know,
I think they I think we we got what we wanted,

(44:35):
like you said, we got Kofee winning the celebration and
everything like that, but they don't owe it to us
to keep him as champion at this point. And I'm
curious to see who out of the three champions loses
their title first, if it's gonna be Kofe, Seth or Becky.
So that's just every time you have a pay per view.

(44:55):
Now I'm just sitting there thinking like, oh, is it
going to be said? This? Is it going to be Becky?
But when you were sitting they're talking about Joe, I
kind of something else crossed my mind because Kofe is
the champion on SmackDown and Smojo was on Raw, but
he attacked the SmackDown champion, So now he's facing their champion,
kind of like Alexa Blisses or something very similar. Why.

(45:16):
I just really hope they play out the story because
why would Joe attack Kofe if he really wants a
title opportunity, why wouldn't he attack Seth?

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah you would, you would think, I mean, I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Think I miss something as well, Yeah, no you didn't.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
I mean, that would make the most sense. But they
clearly looked at Joe and said, there's nobody else on
SmackDown right now that that you know, you can go
up against as an opponent that would be credible, and
they just I mean, it seemed like kind of a
knee jerk reaction almost in what they did is just
I mean, as terrible as his run with the United

(45:54):
States Championship was, they it seemed like there wasn't a
lot of long term, long term planning here. They're just like, Oh, well,
who's who's the next? Who's next for Kofe? I don't know,
have Samojo dropped the belt and put him in the
championship picture? And if that's the case, then that tells
me that the championship isn't going absolutely anywhere. And furthermore,
not just about samo Joe and Kofi, but the championships

(46:16):
in general, Like how does this work? Like if say
the SmackDown Women's Championship, say Bailey loses her championship to
a Raw superstar, does the SmackDown Championship stay on Raw?
I mean, but it's on Raw, so Raw has its
own championships. They don't. These are the things that like,

(46:37):
I don't know. So if you're from another brand and
you're going for the championship on your opposing brand, I
would assume that you're probably not going to win, because
it would be extremely messy to have you just what
if you don't decide to you utilize the wildcard rule,
you just stand your home brand, and you just hide
the championship for the rest of your life. I mean,

(47:00):
these things are just just hurt my mind. They hurt
my brain because it's never addressed. But I don't know. Like,
I think that ultimately Joe's gonna lose, and if there's
a rematch, I'll get more excited. As I said in
my show earlier this week, I think that the further
away we get from WrestleMania, obviously, the better chance of

(47:20):
these three individuals losing their belts. If you're gonna, you know,
ask me which of the three loses first. I would
probably say Kofi. And the reason is because Seth is
the guy right now that he's slayed the Beast. He's
the guy that they're clearly trying to build the company around.

(47:41):
Right now. He's younger than Kobe Kingston is Becky Lynch
was in the main event of the Wrestle of WrestleMania,
the first ever women's WrestleMania main event, and she beat
ron A Rousseley, who's never been beat I think out
of all three, Becky will hold the belt the longest.
Then I think it'll be Seth. Then I think it'll
be Kofe. So the earliest. As I said, SummerSlam. But

(48:03):
if Simoe Joe gets a rematch, then we'll be talking
again at the next pay per view, which is SummerSlam.
I believe. I don't think there's another one between Extreme
Rules and SummerSlam. So yeah, if there's a rematch at SummerSlam,
this could be a different conversation and I could get
a little.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Bit more excited right there with you.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
So, but speaking of the women and the men, with
this Becky and Seth pairing of against Corbyn and Lacy
Evans at Extreme Rules, Winner take All? What I mean?
I honestly like we all want to see this rivalry
with both individuals and and I think this is the
way to get there. I don't see Corbin and Lacy winning,

(48:46):
it seems, and this is what the part that scares
me that Lacy Evans and Corbin it seems to be
a slam dunk that they're gonna lose, which scares me
when I when I'm thinking of Vince McMahon's mind going, ah,
they think they're both gonna lose. You know, this seems
to be a total slam dunk. And Vince has been
known to do the swerve just for the simple sake

(49:09):
of swerves at times. So that's my fear. And I
know this isn't a prediction show, but this one seems
pretty damn obvious to me.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, I literally thought the same thing. I because since
it is such a given that Seth and Becky are
gonna win, it wouldn't shock me to see Vince just
pull that card and just you know, and he could
do something very create well, I guess quote unquote creative
with the fallen whoever ends up taking the pen and

(49:37):
you know how it happens and all that. But and
I obviously hope he doesn't. But I'm just and like
you said, this isn't a prediction show, but I'm I
think it's pretty obvious that Seth and Becky need to
win this and they need to squash this feud and
just be done with it. But I'm terrified that Vince,
you know, does the unthinkable with this and just pulls

(49:58):
that trigger with them. But I don't know, I don't know,
but I'm I'm like, it's kind of weird to me
to see Seth and Becky on screen just expressing their
relationship or just like acknowledging it and acknowledging it is fine,
I think, but it's just I think I feel like
it's forced with them right now. I think they would
be better if they were just doing like little things

(50:20):
and not maybe in a program together right off the bat.
But it's just kind of weird to me. I mean,
maybe it's just me, but it's just kind of a
weird vibe.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Uh Yeah, I can see where it. While they are
a real couple in obviously real life, it does feel
a little bit strange because we've never seen a love
interest for Becky or Seth on TV. I think that's
part of it. They've always just been straight about wrestling
and winning championships, so it is a little weird, and
I think for them it's probably a little weird that
who knows how long they were actually dating before it

(50:52):
went public and then WW was like, oh, well everyone
knows now, let's bring it on camera. So maybe they
were dating for a year or more and they were
trying to keep it private and they were very private
and concealed about their life beyond the cameras, and so
it's it is probably a little weird for them, like
how do we act? Do we act like we normally
do backstage? Do we act like our characters but kind

(51:14):
of like we're normally are when we're not, you know,
on TV. So I'm sure that they aren't really sure
and they're trying to find their footing of how far
they should go or what they should do without you know,
killing their character. It's a weird and a fine line
and a balance. So it probably will be a little
awkward until until they really become comfortable. And again that's
assuming that this is more than just this one pay

(51:37):
per view that these two are going to be teaming up.
I don't know if this is a long term deal.
I wouldn't make it a long term deal because they
both have separate championships. They can't win anything, they can't
win tag team championships together. There's really not much they
can do outside of this tag team match together and
hopefully this is just a one and done and you know,
maybe in passing in the hallway or something, I don't

(51:58):
want to see. I don't want to see Becky in
Seth's corner for all of his matches or Seth and
Becky's corner. I don't need that. They need to go
their separate ways and separate paths.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah, and I think I definitely agree with you, and
I think that's kind of where I'm coming from with it,
just because I feel like they didn't need that. I
feel like if maybe they weren't as strong of characters
as they were in like in a different position on
the card. Yeah, it kind of makes sense. You know,
you have this thing going on in real life, you know,
why not use it on TV for your characters. But
I feel like they were two of the strongest characters

(52:30):
on RAW, and I think they they didn't need the storyline.
So I think that was kind of my thing, like why,
like you don't need to, like you can address it
and just like like you said, do the little things
in the you know, backstage, like passing each other like
they would on the ramp, you know, here and there.
But yeah, it was just it's just a weird dynamic.
But I am I think this is gonna be a
good closure match for both of their individual storylines with

(52:54):
Seth and Baron and Becky and Lacy. I think this
is a good endpoint for both of those in and
then Seth and Becky can move on to their respective
new challengers. So and I hope that's the direction they
go with it. Of course, so it should be a
good match, So it should be entertaining.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Oh yeah, I have no doubt that this is going
to be just solid mechanically, ultimately ending it in a
stomp or or a disarmour or whatever. I mean, I'm
fine with it. I think that we know the outcome
of the match, and that's fine. Sometimes predictable is not
a bad thing when it's the right thing. They say
that all the time, and this is the right thing
to do. Is not surprise us, to surprise us and
swerve us just for the sake of swerving. It's the

(53:31):
right thing to do to just move on. I mean,
it's it's time. It's time to just have Barren Corporate
move away from Seth, and it's time for Lacey to
move away from Becky. It's it's just that it's just
natural progression here. We've seen it enough. And actually I
was listening to a bit of a snippet was it
early today or yesterday on Busted Open Radio, which by
the way, I mean get a free plug. I like them.

(53:51):
I love Bully Ray and yeah me too. They're really good.
Look Greca, they're really good. And earlier they were talking
about Bear and Corbyn have the go having the go
away heat, and you know, he was saying that, you know,
Baron Corbin has go away heat. Isn't that what heels are?
You know, that's the point of being a heel? You

(54:13):
know all that? Well, yes, it's the point of you
hating the person. But at the same time, the go
away heat that we're describing is the go away heat
that makes you change the channel or or skip through
or speed up so you don't have to see them
or see them. Talk like if it's turning your audience away.
And that's what's meant by go away heat. That's not

(54:35):
good heat. And you may say, oh, if he'll get
any heat that's good heat. No, no, no, no, no.
Good heat is when you want to see them, and
you will pay to see them get their ass kicked
at this point. Like I've seen Baron Corbin get his
ask kicks so many times. I'm just tired of seeing
them on my TV screen. That's the go away heat,
that's the difference.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, I agree, And I think once he's done with Seth,
I think he needs to go away for a while
his character. He just needs to even if it's just
for a month, but just just go away for a
while and just like not I don't want to say
let us miss him, because I don't I don't think
we would, but just give his character a break and
just move on to something new and then when he

(55:13):
comes back, maybe have him few with Brickershet if he's
still champion, and just move on to something different, but
just get out of that main event spot to where
we can just maybe start to hate him because of
his character, because of his his actual heel heat and
not go away heat or anything like that. So I
think once he's done with Seth, they they owe it
to him to let him just kind of take a

(55:34):
break and the step back and just like you know,
refresh himself and just you know, focus on the United
States Championship at that point, if it's still on Raw
or wherever it is, or whatever secondary title they happened Raw.
At that point, I've.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Been advocating for him to just disappear for a couple
of months for quite a while. Again, I like, I
think Baron Corpen is very sound fundamentally. I think he
cuts a very good promo, good to very good. I
give him B B plus tho his promos. He is.
He is very obnoxious. You know, he's good at making
you want to see him get his ass kicked all
check check, check, check check. That's what you want for

(56:09):
a heel. But it's just it's just overexposure. And you
could really say that about a lot of stars that overexposed,
But Baron Corbin is he's to the point of like, Okay,
can we move on to somebody else? Like and you
just said he needs to just take some time off.
I was hopeful that after he got his his impromptu
Raw general manager gig killed by Vince McMahon, that he

(56:32):
was fired from that, that he would just kind of
fade into the darkness and go away for a little while.
And what do you see the next night on Raw
or the next week on Raw, he's back out in
his after prom suit and he's he's in there and
just you know, just like nothing happened, and he still
felt like the raw general manager. And they tried to
pin the entire tanking of ratings on Baron Corbin, even

(56:53):
though we all know it's just creative and Vince McMahon,
but they tried to pin it on him, and I
was like, Okay, well, maybe he's fired, he's gonna be
he's gonna be gone for a little while. Nope, he's
just there and he's there and he's there and he's
there and it's just but I don't see him going anywhere.
I mean, as much as we may wish for all
of what we're saying to happen, I don't think he's
going anywhere. I think he's We're gonna see him every

(57:15):
single week.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Me too, Me too.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
You sound so excited. Yeah, and again like I am,
I am a pro, I'm a Baron corbyin fan. Yeah,
like he's a good heal.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
And that's what's frustrating, because yeah, like I'm sorry not
to cut off, but it's fun because I want to
dislike him. I want to not like him, but you're
forcing me to not like him so much. That, like
I'm starting to like not feel bad for him, but
just be like just whatever, Like Okay, it's Baron Korburn. Yeah,
I know you're a bad ab, but whatever. You know,
Like I want to like want to boot him when

(57:49):
he comes out, like if I'm in the arena, I
want to have that feeling. But now it's just like, yeah,
he comes out, he's whatever city's there in favorite sign,
Like I get that cool, but like it's literally the
same thing every week, And just let him take a
step back and grow and then he can he can
move back up to that spot eventually. You know, he
doesn't have to be gone forever. Just let him breathe.

(58:10):
But then it's like who who is Seth's next opponent? Not,
you know, taking Brock out of the equation on raw right,
And then I think that's part of the problem.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yep, yep. I think they're in a holding pattern. I
think that that's exactly where they are is a holding pattern,
and I think that should shift at extreme rules because
then they go into the second biggest pay per view
of the year of soth Oh yeah, so they have
to shift and they.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Can't do Corbin and Rawlins at Slummer slams, so they
have to This has to be it.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah, there can't be a swerve here because what happens?
What if you have a Seth Rollins and what are
you gonna have it? Seth Rollins Baron Corbyn rematch because
Seth just dropped the belt to Baron. I mean you can't.
You can't this one. There's nowhere to I don't even
see a way to room to swerve with Vince McMahon.
I just don't see it. But yeah, just you know,
again wrapping up the Baron Corbyn deal. I I just

(59:01):
as you said, like I dislike him, but I don't
dislike him enough to give him the credit to boo him,
if that makes sense, because like I like, I just
see him and I'm like, yeah, I don't. I don't
really like this guy. I'm just kind of tired of
seeing him. I think I'll hate him a lot more
if he goes away adds a little bit of something
to his character that makes him just just sinister and

(59:22):
makes me just really really hate him and come back
after a month and go all that so ob you
know then I exactly. It just is like it's just
feels very formulaic with Baron and Vince McMahon is enamored
with him clearly and for whatever reason that may be.
But yeah, I don't know, but Baron Corbyn just just

(59:43):
take a vacation. I don't know, something, take a kurd
Angle vacation. I don't know. So moving on a little
bit more to Finn Balor and knock Amurrow. Now there's
not a whole lot here because we haven't seen him
really do anything for the Interncamental Championship, but I'll give
my quick thoughts on it, which isn't a whole lot.

(01:00:03):
I think this match could be very good, although Nakamura
has strongly disappointed so far in WWE, and I don't
know if that's just a troublesome really transitioning from the
Japan style into WWE's style. I'm not sure what the
problem is with Nakamura since winning the World Rumble and

(01:00:24):
main eventing WrestleMania and then losing the aj styles and
turning heel and probably the best part of his whole
gimmick was no speaking English and then which was the best,
and now he is just kind of fading into the black.
After russev is m I a taking some time off
and Nakamura is now challenging Finn Ballard for the Interconnental Championship. Clearly,

(01:00:46):
so I don't know If I don't know who's going
to win this, Finn is also kind of floating out
there in no man's land, So I honestly don't feel
strongly one way or the other who's going to hold
the belt. But more importantly, I don't feel a whole
lot of at least emotion for this this rivalry yet anyway,
what about you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Yeah, and that's the problem for me. Like I'm sure
it's gonna be a great match, but just think, like
this could have been such a big deal, this match
finally happening, because they're both phenomenal in the ring. It'd
be a fun match to watch. But and that's like
the saddest part of this, this storyline where this match
is there's literally no bolt up and I'm sure we'll

(01:01:27):
get some, but like just think, like if Knackamorro was
a strong character, like what this could have meant. But
like I said, I think it'll be a good match,
I'm not. I'm excited just to see the match itself,
but I don't really expect there to be too much
going into it, unfortunately, as much as I wish there
would be. But yeah, I don't I don't know. I

(01:01:48):
think it wouldn't surprise me to see knackamorro win, but
I think Finn would retain here and then they could
probably have a rematch or something. But yeah, I don't know,
I don't know. I hope they give us a reason
to look forward to this match. So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
When you look at this on paper, if you if
you wrote this down on paper, Finn Balor versus Shinsky
Akabura two and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
A half years ago, like you would expect it to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
People will be losing their minds over the potential of
that match. And unfortunately do again to creative and you know,
you got to put some blame on on Shinsk too,
And really, I don't know, to a lesser extent to
Finn Balor, you gotta put a little blame on them.
Is that they've both been Shinsk much more so to

(01:02:34):
find down to a point of almost mid to lower
card for for Shinsk, you talk about a fall from grace. Yeah,
Shinsk has just bottomed out to a point of when
he when he came in and and uh, you know
when when the interviewee or interviewer asked, Finn, you know
what's next, who's your next challenger? And then you had
Shinsk come in, and obviously that's just a sign of oh,

(01:02:57):
it's going to be me, that kind of you told
me that, oh wow, oh yeah, Shinsk is still here,
that's right. I mean, I can't believe I said that.
I'm like, oh, Shinsky a commerce still here that I thought,
you know, I didn't know where he was, and you know,
so that just is it's scary to me that I'm
saying that when two years ago people would be going

(01:03:18):
insane for this match. And again, this could easily be
a three and a half four star up match if
given enough time and motivation and proper planning and all
of that. So this could this feud could overachieve very easily.
But yeah, you look about what it could have been,
the excitement it could have drawn. It's just it's sad
that you're looking in today's day and age and two

(01:03:41):
years later and going, really, this is how I feel
about this match. That's sad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
It is it is because Extreme Rules is in what
two weeks? About about two.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Weeks, right, it's about two weeks yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
So, I mean I could do a little something within
the next two shows, but it's just a match like
that just deserves so much more. So it's just kind
of disappointing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Yeah it is, but so moving on a little bit
to something that's I guess not as disappointing, and that
is Alexa Bliss and Bailey in this Nicky Cross deal,
which I you know, I don't even really know where
this end game ends. And especially for NICKI, I mean,
we all know she's being played for a fool. We

(01:04:24):
all know that Alexa is using her, and that Nicky
is going from a psycho to this sympathetic, you know,
schoolgirl that wants to just make sure she's friends with
the popular girl. That's what it feels like to me.
And she's just being used and played, and Nicky is
looking like a fool for for really buying into Alexa.

(01:04:45):
And I don't even know what drew her to Alexa
to begin with. And when you look at the track
record of what Alexa Bliss has done to Mickey James,
to Nya Jacks, it's just how does Nicky Cross not
see this? And maybe she does, and maybe we're all
just going to get the swerve and Nicki turns on Alexa.
Who knows, but we all kind of see what the

(01:05:05):
end game is going to be, and that's Alexa either
getting caught talking trash just like she did with Naya
or I don't know, but I think that's the end game,
ultimately ending in a Nicki Cross and Alexa Bliss match.
But right now, Bailey is the SmackDown Women's Champion, and
so it's kind of a whole weird dynamic going on.
What do you kind of feel the same way I do?

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I do. I feel like Bailey is just like along
for the ride, so to speak. But the whole focus
of this particular segment is between Nikki and Alexas So
it's just it's so radom, like this could have played
out on Raw as well, Like just sitting here thinking
about it, like they're both Raw superstars, so they could
have been on Raw doing this. But it's just just

(01:05:49):
so kind of comical as we go through each storyline
that's going on. But yeah, I think I think it
is going to play out that way that Nikki is
just trying to you know, she's trying to better herself
and her character and just you know, maybe get to
Alexa's level at some point, as maybe she would put
it and then have Alexa turn on her. I think

(01:06:10):
that's gonna be obviously, maybe after Alexa wins, they're celebrating
in the ring Nikki's so happy for and then that's
when Alexa turns on her or whatever. But yeah, I mean,
I'm mildly entertained to see how this plays out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
And it's really hard to to hate Alexa Bliss. It is,
it's so hard. And WWE does their best, and and
Lexi or Alexa or Alexi's real name, does a really
good job at trying. And she comes across as such
a snarky you know what, and she's so good at it.
But the thing is, she's so likable at the same time,

(01:06:45):
and of course she's extremely attractive, which doesn't hurt. And also,
you know, you have these three sixty five specials on
her and she's crying in these videos.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
And she has a pig, yeah, pig.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
She loves Disney. She's constantly depending on Instagram how much
she loves Disney. Who the hell doesn't love Disney? And
and you see only three sixty five about Oh my god,
you know I people didn't think I belonged here in
the struggle I had, So she instantly becomes relatable, she
instantly becomes humanized, and we're supposed to hate her on
era character. It's so difficult that, you know, whenever she

(01:07:21):
does have her baby face run and legitimate one, not
kind of a quasi. I'm the host of WrestleMania. I
host this, Alexa Bliss. You know, I'm talking like a
full blown babyface run that I think it could be
super successful. Maybe not quite to the level of Becky
Lynch when she was at her hottest, but I wouldn't,
you know, I wouldn't rule it out, but because that's
hard to achieve. But at the same time, it could

(01:07:44):
be a hell of a run if they go full
force with this. But I'm just again, my point is
just I'm having a hard time hating Alexa Bliss. I've
had a hard time hating her.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Me too, me too. It's it's I'm right there with you.
I've always been an Alexa Bliss fan just because she
and me just seeing her trying to be a heel,
it's just it shows how talented she is, so it
makes me want her to be a baby face even
more so. She can get that appreciation, but she's just
she's phenomenal at what she does, So anything she does

(01:08:15):
I'm gonna be into because she she just is that
talented and she could carry pretty much anything that she's
involved in. So yeah, I'm happy that she's at least
doing something now, and she's actually wrestling again, and everything
medically appears to be cleared of So that's that's always
a good sign.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
It is. I mean for a while, I mean she
was you know, she was good and could go and
then gets injured again, good to go, get gets injured,
and I felt for her not being able to compete
a WrestleMania obviously, you know her standing on stage with
Hulk Hogan. I'm sure that was a hell of a
moment for her too, But I know that she wanted
to be in that ring, competing at Wrestlemanium. Who wouldn't
want to be, So I felt for her the person.

(01:08:51):
So when you wrap all this together, it's just like
I'm waiting, I'm bursting for her to just turn baby face.
She I don't believe she's been officially a babyface in
WWE outside of the weird little few months she had.
Is the I don't know, head of the women's division
that Baron Corporn put her in charge of, and some

(01:09:12):
you know, kind of the moment of bliss in which
she kind of played a babyface in some roles. That
doesn't count to me. I'm talking about like full blown.
We haven't gotten that yet, so I'm waiting for it.
I know that many other people are too. So another
thing that I'm really liking too, though, is the twenty
four to seven championship. And before I give my thoughts

(01:09:34):
on this, did you see I'm sure you did our
truth interrupting Drake Maverick's wedding and hitting him in the aisle.
I believe it was or close to the altar. I
don't know. I think it was the isle, and then
having Drake Maverick chase him off, telling his wife I'm sorry,
and then subsequently she tweets out she wants to do

(01:09:55):
and he's sitting there at a bar with bottles surrounding him.
So postrosys of this is just exactly what it is.
And I don't know, I'm enjoying it. What about you? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
I couldn't have said it better myself. I love it,
and you know, it's just sitting there listening to that.
I just remember when it was first introduced, so I
was like, man, what is this? What was going on?
And then it's just becoming like like a guilty pleasure.
Like it's just one of the things I look forward
to on the show just to see what crazy stuff
they're going to do. And I just love the social
media aspect of it more so than it even being

(01:10:27):
on TV for that matter. It's just it's just fun.
Like I'd like that they're not taking this too seriously
obviously and just letting them kind of have more freedom
to do like crazy things like that. And his wife's
tweet just like made it that much better, So it
was great.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
It's it's I don't know, I'm I'm with you. And
the chemistry that Drake and Our Truth have is again
something that you just can't manufacture. It just kind of
has happened. And Drake Maverick just for weeks looking around
and putting on social media that, you know, putting up
wanted posters, just just craziness. I mean, I love what

(01:11:05):
they're doing with Our Truth and Drake Maverick. At the
same time, when on Monday Night Raw, when Heath Slater
won the twenty four to seven championship. I was actually like, oh, okay,
I could see Heath being champion. Yeah, he kind of
is in that same role as Our Truth, and he
could be also a good candidate. And so whenever Heath
or whatever Our Truth does drop the belts and kind

(01:11:26):
of stays out of that loop for a while, I'm
cool with He's Slater and being the twenty four seven
champion and and you know, being in his trailer and
doing crazy things with his kids and whatever. I mean,
eating cheese was with Rhino, I don't care. Like you
could do a lot with with with Hea Slater too
as twenty first seven champion.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
That would be great. I would love that so much
because Heath Slater is just one of those entertaining characters,
like he's just he can get anything over. So I
would he would be the perfect replacement for Our Truth
if Our Truth and needed to drop it and take
some time off or anything anything like that. But I
would love to see he get involved in this more so.
So hopefully they do that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
I hope. So, I mean, I don't think that this
craziness is going anywhere anytime soon because the creative freedom
that WW has with this championship is almost unlimited, and
I'm sure they love that. Hey, you know, if you're
on the twenty four to seven creative team, that a
creative you know, behind the scenes team of like, Okay,
you guys are this whoever? You know this team of

(01:12:25):
six you guys are doing the twenty four seven Championship.
I would love to be on that team because it's
almost impossible to get killed for what your ideas are
because just more, the more ridiculous, the better. So again,
I think this is a good idea. Is it going
to last forever? No, it'll eventually die out, people will
get sick of it, But I don't know. I'm on

(01:12:46):
board for it right now. I'm totally on board. So
another thing that as I'm kind of catching up here
on the news of what's going on with w apparently
genderber Hall is undergoing surgery and he's gonna be out
for four to six months. So that puts him and
Lar Sullivan unexpectedly out of action for the next half

(01:13:07):
a year. Jenner Mahall, who I mean, it's really from
a storyline perspective, is not the worst thing in the world,
because it wasn't doing a whole lot other than sleeping
on planes and getting pinned. So yeah, but just surprising.
I did not. I don't know when this injury occurred,
to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
With you, Yeah, that's why I was just sitting here thinking,
like I wonder, I'm trying to remember when when when
he have even gotten hurt? Maybe is that like a
house show or something.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Yeah, I'm trying to see if I don't see anything here.
Oh it's oh no, no, it says Gender tweeted this out
or put on his Instagram on the end ruptured my
pateel attendant in Denver, Colorado on June fifteenth, in a
match against Ali. Oh happy, surgery went well and my
knee was better than expected. The comeback is going to

(01:13:54):
be legendary. So yeah, so that's that's interesting. But Ali deal, Now,
this is something I actually haven't spoken about yet. With
Ali doing these promos that are like, I don't know,
is he like a good Samaritan? Is? I mean, I
don't know what he's doing. I mean, have you seen

(01:14:15):
these promos that he's doing, like where this woman walks
out of a bar and she's, you know, holding a
bottle like she's an alcoholic and then she just stares
at Ali and suddenly she's like cured. Have you seen these?

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Oh wow, No, I haven't seen them.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Yeah, it's I thought at first that it was like
a WWE sponsored I don't know organization that they're associated
with a new partnership or whatever. No, I this is
I believe, and a character development for Ali. You know
how he was doing the promos in like the Street

(01:14:50):
and you'd have the Street right Yeah? Yeah, well now
if it wasn't very prominent, but I think they played
it quickly. On Ron's SmackDown, he's like walking around and
helping people, like and it's it's done in kind of
an emotional way, almost a way that looks like it's
a p s A. But it's him who's there to
help people. It's so when you when you get a chance,

(01:15:11):
I mean google it. It's I don't want to. I
don't know what to make of it. Obviously, it's which
he's they're trying to put him in like a favorable light,
and he's this good guy, good Samaritan, and he wants
to genuinely help people. I don't dislike it. I just
don't know what to make of it. So, yeah, when
you get a chance check that out. I don't know
what what to do with it at this point. I
really I don't know how you translate that into anything,

(01:15:33):
but it's quite interesting. So when you get to get
some chime, Yeah, let's see so other things that are
going on. And then I'm looking at here and I
didn't even know this about this rule that Vince McMahon
has with not wrestling during commercial breaks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, So they've been doing that, I think
the past two weeks, maybe three weeks, especially how shows
as well, or I guess not a house just but
they were practicing it out there where they would just
like randomly stop and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Then like I think that Miss was the first one
to actually say, like at a house show that we're
going to take a few minutes, like a few minutes
just to take a quick water break and something like
to that effect. And they actually did, like they actually
stopped the match Miss when drink some water. Then they
got back in the ring a few minutes later. But yeah,
I think and I think that was the whole purpose
of the two out of three fall implement imflammation as well.

(01:16:29):
So I really don't know why that came about, but
it's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Well, I mean, from what I'm reading, because this is
the first time that I've heard about this. Vince McMahon
wanted to make it feel more like a authentic sports broadcast,
and but I think it would do kind of the opposite.
If I'm sitting there right and you know, if I'm

(01:16:57):
in the audience, and obviously we don't know this because
we're watching Get Home. But if I'm sitting live and
I'm like, what the hell are they doing? What just
because as a commercial break they're stopping, you know, so
commercial breaks dictate when the rounds of this match begin
and end. It's just that to me is yes, Vince,
we need a more authentic sports simulation broadcast, but that's

(01:17:17):
not one of the solutions to them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
You know, I'm not following that. Like, if something happens
during a commercial break, you can always catch me up.
I'm fine with it. I don't like commercial breaks during
matches at all, though, maybe stop putting commercials during you know,
during matches, that would be a solution. But maybe somebody
gets pinned during a commercial break. You know, how has
that never happened in the history of commercial breaks? Nobody's

(01:17:41):
ever gotten pinned and that would.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Be fun, Like that would be that would give you
even more reason to stay tuned throughout the whole show,
because then you never know, like if it goes to
commercial and then you change the channel and then you
come back five ten minutes later, and then they give
you a recap of what happened during the commercial break.
It's like, man, like you know, I can't miss anything.
I have to stay in tune. And then it makes
you want to go to the show's even more because
maybe you can get like you can be there to

(01:18:04):
witness something like that. So it's just I don't I
don't really see the negative aspect behind it to begin with.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
I don't know, I really I don't understand it. And
what you would think it would just take the audience
out of the moment though, Like if I'm sitting there,
I'm getting into this match and you know, they're going
at it or whatever, and they just suddenly stop and
just like you know, like I don't know, like you said,
Sip water Boy, you're talking about killing a crowd quick. Yeah, yeah,
I don't understand. Like I know that the goal is

(01:18:31):
to make simulated sports more important, and I applaud that,
but that's not one way you do it. So I
don't know, I don't know what a Vince McMahon is
is just on the the really bizar, ultra bizarre end
of the spectrum at this point. I don't even like,
I don't know where his mind is at. I really,
I just don't. Maybe it's on the XFL and maybe
he just needs to go there and focus there, But

(01:18:53):
I really, I mean really, there's like this step back.
Let this company, and the company will survive just fine
without you. I really believe that. So a couple more
things I wanted to touch on was Shane McMahon's beat down
of the Miz again, brutal beatdown of the Miz. And
you know, I'm a little bit tired of this program

(01:19:14):
at the same time, you know, the programs typically don't
end until the baby face prevails, and the Miz has
yet to get a one up on Shane McMahon. He
has lost two straight matches to Shane and now gets
beat down brutally again. No undertaker to save him, no
Roman reigns to save him, nobody cares in the back
to help Miz, and he just gets beat down again.

(01:19:35):
So I would think that this match or this program
somehow ends in Extreme Rules. However, he's not in a
match with Shane, Runnertaker in Roman ear in a match
with Shane and Drew, and so I don't know how
the Miz resolves this issue. Maybe it does go into

(01:19:56):
Summer Slam with Shane. I don't know. So what's your
take on all this?

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
I just it's so interesting to me to see how
involved Shane is with the shows every week, and I
just I never expected the Miz and Shane's storyline to
play out this long without win or the Miz getting
a victory at all, So that's just kind of surprising
to me, and I just I kind of hope this
is the end of their feud as well. So I

(01:20:21):
hope it's just the end of Shane against Roman and
Shane against the Miz after Extreme Rules somehow, So hopefully
maybe Undertaker has some involvement in that, like a they
could if they have to do like a special attraction
match at like Summer SAM or something and do like
casket match or whatever. But it's just I'm just kind
of over Shane. He's a he's a great heel, like

(01:20:44):
his character is is good, but I'm just kind of
over him being so involved in the shows every week.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Yeah. Again, it's it's I'm very conflicted because on one end,
as you said, I'm Shane McMahon is a fifty year
old man who has kid. It's that you know, are
are older now they can see him wrestle. All that.
I understand that that was Goldberg's motivation when he first
came back, to have his kids see him wrestle. Blah
blah blah, all sentimental, wonderful. But again, I mean, I'm

(01:21:13):
really not trying to beat it at horse, but Shane
McMahon belongs nowhere near these world class athletes as their
percent it as such, he belongs nowhere near them, and
at least in a capacity of onequal footing where Shane
can hang with anybody. It's just it's ridiculous. It's angering
as a fan that we're supposed to believe that Shane
is on equal footing with any of these men. I mean, really,

(01:21:36):
when you think about it, it's just angering. But you
put that anger aside, and Shane is just as you said,
he's too involved every single week. At the same time,
though he's also a very good heel. I want to
see Shane getz ask kick when Roman finally speared him
a couple of weeks agoing raw, I that was the
first spear in the history of Romans, thousands of spears

(01:21:57):
that I cheered yes, and I mean really like out
of his ooh and all that weird, nonsensical cartoon stuff
that he does. I was like, yes, I audibly said yes,
And it was nice to see Shane get you know,
get his backside kicked as he should have. And then
it just gets his heat back, you know, you know,

(01:22:19):
and he just beats down Shane, or he beats down
the Miz and we're back to square awoe with Shane
in the miss. So again, I don't know where this
is going. I'm ready for it to be over. Just
have them in a steel cage, or don't put them
in a cage because that doesn't keep anybody out. Don't
tell the announcers that. But I don't know, do something
that's a final blowoff, even if it's before extreme rules.

(01:22:42):
I have a sneaking suspicion it's gonna last longer than that.
But so, but speaking of cage matches, I just have
to touch on this because I wanted your thoughts on
this was the match at Stomping Grounds between Delf Ziggiler
and Kovie Kingston when Kovie Kingston was having his knee
twisted and turned and bent and Dolf was beating the
holy hell out of him, and and you know, he

(01:23:04):
was limp Kofe was limping around and then magically found
a way to not just crawl out of the cage,
but lin the dive the bad leg over Dolf Ziggler
not sell that that injury at all, and it's forgotten
the next night or the next two nights later on
SmackDown Live. So that that really really got out of
my skin, despite the fact that they had a pretty

(01:23:26):
decent match.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Yes, and I almost completely forgot about that, But that
is so true, and that made me think back because
it's it's sad because I missed the art of selling,
like I missed the days where if you got injured
on one week's show, you were still injured that that
next week. So just stuff like that are just like
the little things that I missed with with WWE as

(01:23:48):
a whole. But yeah, the dive was was, you know,
pretty pretty cool, I guess, but I don't know if
you saw his book got tangled on the rope. So
I'm just happy he landed, as you know, as best
as possible. But it was, it was, it was a
cool spot. But yeah, I just wish he maybe at
least would have sold it afterwards, like once he dove through,

(01:24:08):
just you know, celebrate he that he retained his title,
but at least like limp back up the ramp or something,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
But yeah, there was just nothing nothing. Selling is something
that I don't think is a word that is used,
or I think they when the word selling is used,
they really mean register, meaning Okay, I'm going to acknowledge
that you hit me, but I'm not going to sell
the pain that comes along with it and sell it

(01:24:36):
in a way that's believable, you know, like you said,
I mean, I remember, even in the late nineties, in
the much beloved Attitude era, there were injuries that were
carried over week to week to week and whether it
was a neck brace from a tombstone, and I actually
was like, yeah, I remember that it was. Yeah, there

(01:24:56):
would be like neck braces or slings if people you know,
put in a in a hold too long, or crutches
or whatever whatever. Even when when Vince McMahon. I remember
got his ankles shattered by Cain and the Undertaker. He
was in a wheelchair where it seemed like forever. Yeah,
but obviously now I'm remembering that. Then he ultimately ended

(01:25:17):
up coming out of that wheelchair just to screw Stone
Cold that Survivors Series and a tournament for the championship.
I don't know how I remember that, but so. But
my point is this, there's no selling. And when you
look at Ricochet, who's we talked about him earlier super athletic,
like a super athlete. He is athletic to the point
that it is embarrassing to be named or he should be,

(01:25:40):
we should be embarrassed to be called human beings when
he is a human being. I mean, it's just he
he makes wrestling look so easy, but he flies around
the rings so much that there's no selling with it.
It's just what's the crazy thing that he's going to
do next? What's the you know, can he do like
eighty flips instead of seven? Can he do it? I mean,

(01:26:01):
he's so good, but the problem is there's no selling.
If you or I were to do any of these
things in real life, my god, we would be torn muscles,
torn ligaments.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
I mean, think about this, that's the problem with I
think in general today's style of wrestling, Well, it's more
exciting and you get the holy you s chance, you
know this is awesome chance. I think that a lot
of those chants come from matches that are just flip
flop fly and who can do the craziest move and

(01:26:32):
crazy counters. I like ring psychology. I like the art
of selling when I can feel almost the pain of
the star that I'm rooting for. That is selling. And
after the match, they're limping, limping up the ramp, limping
back down the ramp the next night, not just forgetting
that maybe they took eighty chairs shots to the back.

(01:26:52):
I mean, there's just things that it's like, really, you're
not gonna sell what you just happened? I don't know.
I mean, so yeah, that's a whole other subject that
I could we could do a whole nother show on
is the lack of selling and the lost art of
selling actually is what I would title it. Maybe I will,
but so yeah, but I'm totally unborn with that is

(01:27:12):
just the lost art of selling, the lost art of managers,
so many lost arts right now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
So many. But yeah, that could be a whole nother
show easily.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Yeah you inspired me, Maybe I will, Maybe I will.
It's yeah, it's because it's just so prevalent, prevalent. And
when Vince McMahon talks about taking breaks or not wrestling
during breaks as simulating sports broadcasting and simulating a sports environment,
sports feel no. See, this is where he's disconnected from

(01:27:44):
what the root of the problem is. Their presentation of
what wrestling is. That's the root of the problem that
they've got away from the real feeling of what sports are.
It's competition. Wins and losses matter in every sport. In wrestling,
it doesn't matter. You just got to attack the champion
and you'll get a championship match. I mean, just that's

(01:28:07):
the problem. These are the problems Vince McMahon refuses to see.
He thinks it's well, that's not it's all about entertainment.
But again, you entertain people through great storytelling, cohesion logic.
That's how you tell a good story. And that's the
fundamental problem. Not giving us new matchups, making sure there's

(01:28:27):
no wrestling during commercial breaks. That that's this is where
the disconnect lies right here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Well, I didn't mean to go on a rant, but
so I've kind of brought up everything that I wanted
to Is there anything from Stomping Grounds, Raw SmackDown that
I may have missed? You want to talk about it
infering the women's division? I know we didn't talk about
much about the women's division other than Becky and Seth
being a team, which doesn't really count. But is there
anything that you wanted to discuss?

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
I do, Actually, I wanted to see what you thought
about the Firefly fu how else developments this week. I
don't know if you noticed the each of the four
puppets made an appearance on Raw and SmackDown, well two
on each show. But I was just wondering what your
take on having them make small appearances like that without
anyone acknowledging it and kind of be like a little

(01:29:17):
Easter egg type thing. And the fact that we did
not get an actual video segment from Bray this week.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
So now that you bring that up, okay, So I
when I was watching the Hula version of Raw, I
was like, they did they not include the firefight on
House this week? And Glow and Behold there was no
video as you said, so I was like, oh, okay,
so I didn't miss anything, but I was waiting for
the song to come up. I was like, no, I
didn't get it. But I did not know that they

(01:29:48):
had the puppets make an appearance. I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Yeah, you have to go back and look at the
screen shots that people have taken online. But I can't
remember exactly which puppet was rare, Like do you want
me to tell you or do you want to go?

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Yeah? Tell me?

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
So I know the first one, well, one of them
on Rawl. It was when Mis was walking down the hallway,
and then I believe it was Abby the Witch. When
Mis was walking he she was on his right kind
of like peeking around the corner. It's like right when
he was walking to the ring for like Miss tiv
or whatever. So that was the first one, and I
think Danielbrian had one or was that once back down?

(01:30:27):
I forget which, I forget which order, but I think
I hadn't written down all my paper with me, but
there was definitely one. Oh. The other one on Raw
was Kofe. So Kofe was stepping pancakes behind the championship title,
run his waist and then one of them popped up
behind him. Yeah did you see that one?

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Okay, well, I remember him stuffing pancakes in his championship
belt between you know I saw that, Yeah, but I
did not see or maybe subconsciously I did, but I
don't remember seeing that, so yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Yeah, and then there was another one that popped up
behind daniel'brian on SmackDown and then oh and then then
the other one was when Carmelo was doing the pro
or the backstage to a segment with Dailey. I forget
which ones showed up in which scene, but yeah, all
four puppets were in each one respectively. But yeah, definitely
get back and check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
It was kind of cool because that is cool.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
I was surprised, yeah, with on Raw they didn't have
the segments. I was like, well, wait, what's going on?
And I noticed they weren't advertising it because you know,
normally they would say no tonight, you know, fireflat punouse
or whatever, and then they would say I'm next, but like,
we weren't getting any prompts this week. It's like what
was going on? But yeah, it was. It was kind
of cool.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
This could be their transition slowly into from vignettes and
pre tape videos to him somehow making an appearance.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Yeah, and like terrorise the locker room. That would be
the best it would be.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
And you've said it. I've brought other co hosts on
this and they've said it. I think we can say
in Unison that when they bring Barry Whyee back, it
needs to be long term planning. It needs to just
it needs to have a vision, a purpose, go for it.
And it needs to be a massive, major program, not
in a mid car with EC three or whatever. It
needs to be big. It has to be big. They can't.

(01:32:11):
They have no choice but to succeed with this because
this is this is Bray Whitet at his best. This
is this is light years I think beyond his character
of the eater of worlds and follow the buzzards and
scriptic stuff behind the scenes that no one understands. This
to me is a reboot and one that they cannot miss.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Definitely, can I'm say it better myself?

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Actually, well, so I left you speechless. He it is.
But speaking of one more thing that now you jogged
my memory that I wanted to talk about was Alistair Black,
who for the last month has been just dying for
somebody to knock at his door to pick a fight

(01:32:54):
with Alistair Black, and no one knocked until this week,
So I honestly don't have an idea of who maybe
knocking at his door to finally pick a fight with him.
Do you have any thoughts on who it may be?
And how do you like his character so far doing
kind of this backstage segment week after week, basically begging

(01:33:18):
somebody to fight him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
So I guess the positive side is that he's actually
getting TV time and they're doing something with him. I
wish if they were going to introduce him like this,
they would have done it from the beginning, because we've
already seen him now for a few months and he
was even non WrestleMania, So I just wish if they
were actually going to dedicate time to him, they would
have done that when they originally brought him up. That's

(01:33:43):
I guess, just like a side thing. But I guess
some of his promos kind of confused me a little bit,
just because I didn't really understand where he was going
with it all. Obviously I knew he wanted someone to
attack him, but I just didn't Besides that, like, where
are you. Why don't you just come out and just
pick a fight if you want to fight so bad.
But I guess my guest too as who was knocking,

(01:34:07):
would be probably maybe Randy Orton, And then I was
kind of thinking maybe Bray Wyatt as well. I kind
of don't want it to be but you know the
whole let me any thing that Bray was saying, you know,
they could kind of play it to what Alisha was saying,
you know, having people knock on his door. But I
don't know. My guess would be Randy Orton because that
would be a decent feud I guess to start off

(01:34:28):
with for him, and it's it would be against a
good opponent.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Randy can do anything at this point. Yeah, Honestly, like
we all we love the RKO. He's a legacy star.
We know he's never going to be really be the
focus of w anymore. Randy can honestly do anything, I mean,
and nobody will really care in a way that's like,
oh man, Randy's here. I want it to be at
the top. We just don't care. I mean, I think

(01:34:53):
he'll he'll always get a strong reaction. He's one of
the biggest stars ever in WWE. Although I don't think
he ever reached his full potential, his RKO was beyond over.
I think ultimately at the end of the day, people
will just go, oh cool, Randy's here. He gave somebody
an RKO. I mean really, I think that's what when
where people are at right now with Randy. So Randy

(01:35:13):
is a good choice because he's a good fit. I
think for Alistair Black, the question I guess is, well,
is Randy a heel? Is he a face? I mean,
is Alistair Black heeler face? I think he's kind of
turned heel at this point based on his promos and
just being this guy that's nasty backstage and you know
he's anybody pick a fight with Mammy. It seems a

(01:35:36):
little bit arrogant. So yeah, I think Alistair Black is
the heel. You could have Randy play the baby face.
Randy prefers to be heel. I mean that's well documented,
but yeah, yeah, I mean sure that sounds good. I
like the kind of the small reboot of of Alistair Black.
He was getting a little bit lost in the tag
division there and outside of his entrance, people were like,

(01:35:58):
I mean, especially if you didn't watch NXT you're like, Okay,
I don't understand this. So yeah, him and Randy, sure, first,
first few, let's let's do this. I just as you said,
I hope it's not Bray. Bray doesn't brain needs to
go higher?

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Oh for sure? For sure, Yeah, I definitely Bray has
to go to main event when he debuts, has to
Oh no, there's no right attack and you know all
the band players. But yeah, definitely. I think maybe down
the road they would have a nice little view, but
definitely not starting off for either of them for that matter.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
So one last thing for at least on my end,
and then I'll toss it to you for anything else
that I may not have touched on. What do you
think ultimately happens with brock Lesner and the money of
the bank contract? Who does he cash in on? And
maybe a time frame if you have one, Hm, you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Know, I I think he's gonna go KOFE. I think
he's going to cash in on KOFE. I part of
me wants to say when they debut on Fox, just
for that big shock and that big bang factor. But
if he didn't there, I could see him cashing him.
I'm sticking with KOFE. But if he doesn't catch in
maybe when they debut there. Maybe he would do it

(01:37:12):
before then at SummerSlam, But I don't know. I think
he's definitely going to cash it on Kofe, but I
don't see him holding it for two too much longer.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
No, Yeah, And people think it's gonna be Seth because
they have a history, and that's.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Why I think that he won't, because just to freshen
things up, you know, because I don't want to see
Seth in him in a rematch, you know, I want
them both to move on and do new things. And
how much more he could he possibly get than attacking
Kofe and taking the title from him, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
That's exactly why. I mean. People like Seth and he's
a good champion, but Kofe's the one that hasn't gotten
an opportunity yet, and he was there for over ten years,
eleven years, whatever, and he finally gets that opportunity and
he wins into WrestleMania. So I think this struggle to
get there was higher for Kofe. Therefore, fans respect the

(01:38:04):
struggle more than they have for Seth. Not to say
that Seth doesn't have respect, but obviously he's been there longer.
He's the elder statesman. People know who he is and
and respect his journey because it was longer. And so
you having brock Lesner come in, and as you said,
taking it from Kofe, I think would create more heat
than Seth because we've seen it. And imagine the fan

(01:38:27):
reaction if say it is a rematch with Samoa Joe
and Kofe Kingston at SummerSlam, and ultimately you have Kofe
Kingston prevail against Tomjo again and you know all, you
have the announcers, the struggle, the you know whatever. Byron
Saxton is having an orgasm over about how great Kofe
Kingston is. I mean, because really, like if you listen

(01:38:50):
to Byron Saxon, he just he just goes bonkers for
Kobe Kingston every single time he comes out. But again,
you could easily tell that story and Grueling actually overcomes
Samoa Joe and out comes brock Lesner, gives him an
F five one move, one move, and then ends up
walking out with the championship with a big smile on

(01:39:11):
his face and the crazy But that's exactly what they
would That's what That's what I'd be going for if
I was wa b crazy crazy heat, which would put
the the the rocket ship back on Kofe even now
now he doesn't have the belt. But now you have
a different motivation for Kofe, and that is wanting to

(01:39:32):
see him get his revenge on Brock. So I think
Rondo something.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Here, definitely, definitely, And then what would be better to
have Brock take it from Kofe and then we get
to see Kofe go on this journey again and it
will kind of be better in a weird aspect for
him because now we know he can do it, so
we want to see him do it again, and we
want to see him slay the bet. So I think
that would be such an awesome storyline.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
Yeah, I think. I think we just booked the next
two months for WW. So I think w W I
accept cass checking money order just so you guys are aware.
So yeah, So that's that's really all the topics that
I had to that I wanted to discuss with you
because it was Boy, it was a long It feels
like it's been for ever since we spoken a few weeks.

(01:40:14):
But is there anything that I may have missed?

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
No, I think that was that was pretty much everything
in a nutshell for this week, and it's just crazy
to think that everything happened this week. So but I
think we pretty much covered all the major things.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
Oh, good timing, that's I mean, good timing can be
on this week, I believe if I'm doing my math
correct and don't don't get on my math skills. It
took me six times to pass calculus, that's the real thing. Well, yeah,
no I did. Yeah it was a boy. I only
failed once. The other five times I dropped out. So yeah,

(01:40:51):
so there's that. So one, two, three, So you'll be
on the week after Extreme Rules, so we will again
perfect timing. You can bet there'll be some fallout from
Extreme Rules obviously Ron SmackDown, So that's a hell of
a week to be on too. So you're on the
right schedule.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
Perfect, It was a perfect plan, all right, Ashley.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
Well again, thanks for coming on. But before you leave,
let everyone know how they can follow you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
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Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
S awesome and we will be in touch soon. And
I'm sure with the new implementation of Paul Hayman and
Eric Bischoff, Yeah, things are gonna get hot real quick.
So Ashley, thanks again and we will talk to you soon.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Sounds great. Thanks for having me, all right, take care
of you too, Bye bye.

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