It's time to talk Monday Night Raw that aired October 20th, 2025. A show that identified a new contender to face CM Punk at SNME for the World Heavyweight Championship, AJ Styles & Dragon Lee win the Tag Team Titles and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So Seth Rollins is out. Seth Rollins is out out
for who knows how many months we didn't get it
a specific number from WWE. Many have speculated six months.
I am optimistic he'll be back before WrestleMania. That's just
my own hunch. I'm sure that's what they're aiming for
as well. And I think this is going to be
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an interesting time in the company, specifically in the world
title side, as we have Cmpunk challenging jay Uso at
Saturday Night's main event. The winner will become the or
the new World Heavyweight Champion on the Monday night raw side. Yes,
jay Uso, not to l A Knight. No, no, not
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La Knight. We have jay Uso once again. And I'm
not sure what the company is really thinking here. I mean,
if the idea is to start the official turn of
jay Uso as well, then congratulations, you're on the road.
Because Jay us for a while has been teetering on heel.
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We know that there's been a lot of tension between
him and Jay, him and Roman specifically, and this past
week with Jay eliminating Jimmy and La Knight, I think
that that adds to that narrative. If you want to
go down that road, would I go down that road.
I'm not against Jay turning heel. I'm against Jay competing
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against his brother. We've been here. It feels like we
were just here. We were just here with At WrestleMania forty,
I know that him and Jay had a match and
it was regarded as one of the worst matches of
the entire pl It was horrible, which is maybe the
only time in history that you could say Jimmy and
j had a bad match. I mean, they're so talented,
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but with the overuse of the super kicks, the match
was just it was not good. I mean, they spent
so much time being partners, they don't know how to
be opponents. So maybe things have changed. And I'm not
going to go off the rails about it. I'm not
going to lose my mind about it. But if they're
going Jimmy versus Jay again, then you know it is
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what it is. I don't personally think that it's a
great idea. I've never been on board with Jimmy and
Jay again, but it's a different year. They're not a
part of the bloodline anymore. They're still loosely aligned with
Roman reigns who pops in and out of television. So
I mean, I'll watch, but maybe there is an audience
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out there who wants this. I really, at least right now,
I don't. But unless you know, again, if it's to
turn Jay heel and then you have another top heel
on run it et raw, that's fine because don't forget
Seth Rollins is now on the shelf for the foreseeable future.
So you need to replace that top heel. And yes,
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Braun and Bronson can fill that role, but they can't
fill Seth's role. They already had their own role of
being heels, So that to me is something that's gonna
need to be filled and you could have Jay Usso
make that case. Now, does that mean Sampunk's going to
lose the belt or lose the World Championship at at
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Saturday Nights main event. Maybe maybe he'll lose the match.
He's not champion, but he'll lose the match and J
becomes champion. I'll say this, If J becomes champion, you
can throw any idea of Ja being a babyface out
the door, because when it comes to the fans choosing
between Punk and J, they're gonna choose Punk. They just will.
He's a bigger star. He hasn't really had a proper
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run as champion. You're gonna take that to the bank
that the fans are gonna side with c M Punk
if they're forced to choose, and they might be forced
to choose, They're going to be forced to choose at
Saturday nights main event in Salt Lake City, which of
course is coming to us in week and a half.
H oh, interesting development. We'll get more into the Battle
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Royal as we get on into the show here, but
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let's let's get into it. To start with Monnett Raw.
We'll start right at the top here. We'll start with
what was the open? I got to look at the reviewer. Oh,
Adam Pierce is in the ring. He was announced by
Lily and Garcia, who just doesn't age she's found the
Fountain of Youth like her and aj Lee for some reason,
(05:30):
I've just they have been able to identify the goal,
holy Grail of the Fountain of Youth. I don't know
how they do it, but we have bron Breaker, Bronson
Reid and Paul Haymon exiting a truck backstage. Breaker had
the World Championship over his shoulder as they walked through
the backstage area and made their entrance and joined Pierce
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inside the ring. Pierce said he knew Seth Rollinds was
injured coming out of his match with Cody and said
Rollins underwent surgery and would be on the shelf for
a while because of what Breaker and Reid did to him. Well,
I have to step in here because you guys know
I'm a big fan of logic. How are you telling
me that he's injured coming out of the match. Pierce
(06:13):
said he knew that that Ronalds was injured coming out
of the match with Cody, Yet he's blaming the surgery
on what happened because of what Breaker and Braun died
to him. But no, I know they're trying to have
their cake and eat it too and put the blame
on Breaker and Read and give them heat like you
gotta pick one, you gotta pick one. You can't have both.
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You can't tell me you knew he was injured and
still having him, by the way, competing in an upcoming
match with Saturday Night's main event. But then also say that, well, no,
I knew he was injured, but the reason he had
surgery is because of Breaker and Red stop fine, It's
just sometimes the insult and on our intelligence is striking.
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So Pierce did to a new world champion will be
crowned at Saturday Night's Made event. He said Cempunk earned
the number one contender status last week and that he
would be in the match. Pierce said that there would
also be a Battle Royal on tonight's show to determine
who would face Punk for the world title. Pierce told
Breaker that the belt no longer belongs to Rollins and
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it sure as hell doesn't belong to you. He asked
and demanded that Breaker handed over to him, and Breaker
said you didn't say please, which was really actually pretty good.
I mean, Breaker, Breaker could be babyface really at any
moment if they really wanted to switch him. Fans love
brand new toys to play with, and Breaker right now
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is playing that heel role. But if they wanted to
Breaker could i mean Pun intended break out and be
a babyface if they really wanted him to be. But
we did have Breaker say that you know that, or
teased that he would hand the belt to Pierce, but
he handed it to Hayman, who then handed it to Pierce,
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and then Hayman asked the fans why they're so mad
at him, and he said he watched and this is again,
what are we doing here? Paul Hayman then says that
he watches or watched WWE Unreal and this gets worse
and he gets that they're the bad guys and the
villains or the heels, and Hayman said the vision had
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nothing to do with Rollins, and that Hayman said he
made the move at WrestleMania because Breaker is the future.
And Paul said that he made the move because he
always knew that Reed was better than Roman reigns. Oh
really did you? Okay, there's multiple levels of problems with us,
despite the fact that it's Paul Haman saying these words,
which somehow for many people absolves him of having to
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just deal with logic and common sense. Okay, first of all,
number one and least importantly, no, you certainly did not
believe that Bronson Reid an upcoming star that did nothing
other than his biggest achievement up until that point was
injuring Seth Rollins quote unquote remember the sixth Tsunamis And
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then you know, of course, when Seth came back, he
brought Bronson Reid on a lah the vision. But up
until that point, Bronson Reid had really done not a
whole lot. He had what had a program with who
was it? Who was it? Braunz Strowman, That's what it was.
He had a program with bron Stroman that was a
lot of fun. And he was tsunamiing people off of
ambulances and you know, high places, and that was cool.
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But you can't tell me that Paul Hayman's character believes
that it was actually true, that the truth was Bronson
Reid was better than Roman Reigns. Really, like an eight
time WrestleMania main inventor was championed for nearly four years,
held every championship, w W has to offer box office attraction,
needle mover all the rest of it, face to the company,
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record sales and merch. The list goes on. And you know,
we're supposed to believe that the character of Paul Hammond
knew that bron Breaker is better. I'm sorry, Bronson is
better than Roman Reigns. Anyway, Again, these things are just
things that he says that no one's gonna check him on,
except I do Also, he said that the vision had
nothing to do with Rollins. Well, that's it's true that
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any group is built to push forward younger talent. At
least that should be the principal purpose of any any
faction that gets started, right, it should be because you
got to build new single stars. That's fine. I actually
don't have a ton of problem with that, because it
really isn't about Seth Rollins. I mean, it is, but
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it's not the short term. It's about Seth, but it's
a long term vision, which means the vision. I mean,
the group is so aptly named it's hard not to
punt it. The way you describe the group is actually
the way that the group is designed in real life,
so the name is very apropos So I actually don't
have a problem with that. But then again him talking
about the Heels and how we're the heels and the
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bad guys and we watch on real so it's like
a meta meta kind of fourth wall breaking, but we're
still in the show, so hopefully you guys come along,
But we're Heels and we're the bad guys. But did
you see the show about the show that we're doing
right now, of which we're scripted to say what I'm
saying right now, and also please believe us. You see
that just stupidity of constantly bringing again. It's just I
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don't see the need for this. It doesn't make things
more real or make people invest more. By telling the
fans all the time that what they're watching is scripted,
even if what they're saying is a meta thing to say,
it doesn't make it more real. It's like inception. I mean,
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you have all seen that right with Leonardo DiCaprio. It's
like a dream within a dream within a dream. Am
I still in a dream but it's a dream? Am
I dreaming that I'm dreaming? Am I stuck in a
dream even though I woke up? That's where I'm at.
My head is just spinning on this crap. How about
we just try not try to reinvent the damn wheel here?
You know what it means, just means trying to make
people believe without trying to be more real, because being
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more real about talking about the business you're in makes
it less real and reminds fans oh wait, yeah crap,
Like what we're watching is silliness. What we're watching is
completely fabricated. It's completely contrived. It's it was created in
a boardroom with Triple H and his goons. That's where
this was created. Oh yeah, that's right. Thanks for reminding me, Paul.
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It's I don't know, I know a lot of you
just glance over this and go, oh, okay, whatever, it's Paul.
I don't. I don't absolve Paul him, and as great
as he is, I don't absolve him or his character
from saying these things. Is it sacriligious to me? It
is against pro wrestling. It is because I like things
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just the way they were in terms of just trying
to have some respect for the business. This is a
complete disrespect for the business that everyone has just got
accustomed to. And everyone's okay with everyone just could just
let it go. Everyone just who cares? It's twenty twenty five,
as if the year has anything to do with how
you should respect or not respect something. Again, like you'll
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hear that being used for so many different things. It's
twenty twenty five and then insert X thing that suddenly
is acceptable that you know previously wasn't, And the year
is just supposed to explain away all the reasons why
something doesn't matter anymore. You hear that a lot about it,
A lot of stuff, do you not, and not just wrestling.
It's twenty twenty five, it's not nineteen fifty eight anymore.
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You know you could use that. Again, we won't talk
about those things on this show, but you know what
I'm talking about. With a lot of just cultural stuff
and with wrestling, this is no different. I'm sure a
lot of people it's twenty twenty five, it's not nineteen
ninety six or whatever. Again, doesn't mean that just because
it's twenty twenty five that your vision, no pun intended,
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of what wrestling should be is a better version of it.
Progression doesn't mean improvement. Progression doesn't automatically mean better, and
moving forward in time doesn't necessarily mean better. Sometimes the
formula can be very simple and the formerly it doesn't
need to change, but a lot of people think it does.
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I don't, So that means I'm right everyone else is wrong.
That's I guess the bottom line here. So, okay, I
promise we're not going to make the rest of this
show this long. I really do. I pinky promise. So
Paul Hayman then continues, it was the vision over the bloodline.
He said, Rollins couldn't shoulder that nice little light, nice
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little wordsmithing there. He couldn't shoulder the responsibility of leading
the vision into the future. Hayman called Rollins a bum
shoulder bitch. Mmm. That was again, for all the criticism,
I just gave the writing for this segment. He turn
and around you to say this stuff. It's good stuff.
It just is the way Haymon said it. He said
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that winners, winners write history. Hayman said Rollins was going
to main event WrestleMania, but that spot was taken from
him by Breaker. Haymon said, Breaker and Reid conspired to
take that away from Rollins, and they have the vision
and intensity to become WrestleMania main eventters. Do there you go?
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I mean again, the the expectation that bron Breaker is
going to be a main event, a main event of
WrestleMania continues to loom large over his head. I've never
heard anyone say this ever about any talent ever up
and coming. Are they that confident? Are they that sure?
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Are they that completely bought? Like they're completely all in
on bron Breaker. You could argue right now that he's
for the front runner to win the Royal Rumble this
year for twenty twenty six. The way that they're talking,
I mean, yes, you have Sammy's Ain in there and
kind of an early look here Sammy's Ain. You have
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La Knight, who continues to be a perennial kind of
outside outside talent that you're thinking he could or should
win this year. And we'll talk about La Night. Don't worry.
I know a lot of people are really upset about
what happened at a Monday Night raw in the Battle Royal.
But yeah, you I mean you have La Knight, you
have of course, you have Juso floating out there. You
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could have Roman Reigns floating out there. You could have
Cody Roads floating out there unless he's you know, well
he's champion right now, but if he drops the belt
before and I don't think he will, so I don't
think actually Cody Roads will be involved. But you've got
some front runners and guess Bronson Reid so bron Breaker
certainly could be your front runner right now for the
Royal Rubble if you're looking that far ahead. So we
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have the the next segment here with Finn Balor and
JD mcdonoughh first match here taking on AJ Styles and
Dragon Lee for the World Tag Team titles. And if
you listen to me on my weekend review show, you
knew that I was of the belief that this is
a title changing matchup because the titles haven't really been
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in the focus of WWE for a while. The people
who are or individuals holding the belt at this point
have been kind of quiet. And when that happens and
they suddenly, out of nowhere put the titles up, and
this goes across the board, Men's singles title, women's singles title,
tag titles, it doesn't matter. You kind of know that
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that's a indication they're about to switch things up and
start to focus on them, but not with that current
champion holding the belt. They're gonna make a change, and
that's exactly what happened here. But it's the right call.
So here's the finish. As AJ Styles and Dragon Lee
win the World Tag titles to a big pop, McDonough
tags out and hit Styles of the Moon. Salt Balor
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ends up following with a coup de gras he covered
Styles and McDonough tried to block Lee, who dove over
him to break up the pin. Balor set up Styles
for a Styles clash, but then Styles avoided it and
hit the move on Balor before pinning him. I'm shocked
that we didn't have Dom somehow involved in this. That's
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the only piece I thought was missing, is that we
didn't have finally a Dom versus Finn matchup that has
been going on. I mean, at this point, it feels
like twelve eighteen, twenty four months that we've been teased
a Dom versus Balor match, and I figured this could
be a great opportunity to go there and to start
burning that program red hot where Balor gets you know,
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starts to flip out on Dom for a misqueue or
something during that Finn where Dom could be the reason
for the loss, and that didn't happen here. So all right,
But again, cool to see AJ Styles and Dragonly win
the World Tag team titles. Cool to see really AJ
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do anything at this point because of you know, his
impending retirement next year that I believe is all but confirmed.
So it's gonna be fun to watch AJ and Dragonly
defend the tag team titles have a nice little run
for a while. I don't think to hold him more
than three four months. It could be you actually could
be all the way to maybe January at the latest,
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maybe into wrestlemane deep into WrestleMania season. I have my
doubts that you're gonna have AJ and Dragon legal that
far six month run. But as long as you can
keep these two going, is it not fun as hell
to watch these two works? It's great? So okay, the
next segment here, Jimmy USO is in the dressing room
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taping his fingers. Jay Uso comes in. Jimmy asked if
he was supposed to acknowledge Jane now, and Jay conceded
that what he told Jimmy last week wasn't right. Jay
said he was mad at himself for making the same
mistake he did in Paris and mentioned something about Big
Oose and Jimmy cut him off and said Roman wouldn't
be in the Battle Royal later in the show, but
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they will, And Jimmy said Jay didn't lose his title
because he stuck his neck out to help people. He
lost it because he quotes Jay stopped believing in Jay,
and Jay said Jimmy was right and then added that
Roman might be right too. Jay asked if they were
good and that was that? So seemingly things are smoothed over.
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The tension that was boiling up last week at this
point seemingly was being kind of dealt with, and that
of course changed again through the course of the night. Okay,
so continuing, we then have dom versus Roussa for the
Intercontinental title. The match went nine and a half minutes,
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with Dominic beating Russev as expected. It was just a
matter of how he was going to do it, and
the fans were all behind him, cheating to win. I
mean number one, because Russev is not a beloved character
in the baby face role anyway. In the company. We
have Dominic, who's been here a while. People are really
starting to warm up to his character. They see a
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lot of Eddie Guerrero in his character. He's taken his
lumps and bumps and losses, and it's just time for
people to come full circle on him and start to
embrace him again. And that's exactly what's happening Dominic. The finish,
if you're interested in and didn't see it, was going,
dom going for a six to one nine, but Russev
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blocked it. He found the timekeeper's hammer. Russev did in
Dom's boot and took it, and then Russev wound up
with the hammer. It was going to hit him, but
the ref stopped him. And then as the referees back
was turned, kick Russev's right, you know, right in the nuts.
He kicked him in the backside, but it was supposed
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to be a low blow. It's fine. Dom then hit
the six to one nine and a frog splash for
the victory. So after the match, Penta hit the ring
and then hit Russav with the springboard DDT. Penta pointed
a Dom who was watching from the stage. You know
this is I hope to continue. Don't screw with Dom,
don't try to turn him back heel. There's no need
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to try to reignite that nuclear heat. You're not gonna
be able to recreate it even if you wanted to.
It's something the fans just decide to have to to do,
and they're not going to be manipulated by w W
E At this point. I don't believe. I think if you,
if you keep Tom on this course and continue to
have him in a position to squeak out of victory
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from a more dominating opponent, it's a great place for
him to be He's now the underdog. He's not that
scar smarmy little heel that is always bar and then
you just want to punch his face. He's kind of
now he's transitioned to the underdog because he's not a
muscle bound guy. He's he's got some height, but his
muscle mass is very low compared to most of the wrestlers.
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So he automatically has that sympathy there, and his his
mullet and his mustache are now something that that's endearing.
His his style of trying to retain how is he
gonna lie, cheat and steal his way out of this tonight?
He the spirit of Eddie Guerrero has now taken over DOM,
and I hope they run with it. They've got something
here with Dom. We've been through the booze, the years
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of booze, let this ride. They have something special here.
It's it's really just kind of obvious here. I mean,
they've got DOM in a great position, and I hope
they continue to push forward and have a longer run
than anyone expects with that Intercontinental title. I think they
could have a lot of fun with DOM and we'll
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have to see how long they go or what their
plans are and when the Finn ballard hammer drops. Okay,
So Maxine dupre warmed up while Otis and Akira Tazawa
fired her up, and she came out with Otis and
Nakira as she took on Becky Lynch for the Women's
Intercontinental title and Lili and Garcia delivered the inn ring introductions.
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The match went nine minutes and forty five seconds, with
Maxine Duprix beating Becky Lynch but by d Q, thereby
allowing Becky Lynch to retain the Intercontinental Championship. But this
is also a surprisingly fun program. I mean, you have
Maxine Duprix. I mean remember the whole fan video that
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came out where Maxine was at a live event or
it was it might have been it was I think
it was non televised, but if it was televised, it
was during a or after the match she had on
raw or something. Regardless it was a match. After the match,
you had the fans say how she sucked and she
doesn't have to wrestle on all this stuff, and all
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the other wrestler women's wrestlers came to her defense, whear
Ripley came to her defense everybody came to her defense.
I did not come to her defense for my money.
You put yourself in that position voluntarily. You kind of
know that. Sure, you have to cut your teeth in
front of live fans, but you know that if you
get into this business, fans can be ruthless. That just
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comes with the territory. You aren't owed anything. You know
you aren't. You don't deserve anything. You earn respect, You
earn your way up, you earn the fans respect. The
fans are gonna hammer you for a while. Even if
you suck in the ring, fans will be able to
easily detect it, but it won't last long because if
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they see you continue to improve, they'll respect that. And
that's where Maxine's at. So, I mean, I never bought
into that, and I never discouraged fans from telling wrestlers
they suck and can't wrestle, because if the wrestler's skin
is that thin, then they don't. They don't belong in
the ring anyway, like you, really, you don't belong in
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that profession. This goes for any public profession where criticism
is a part of the game. You're getting paid to
be there. You're not a slave, who's you know, working
for pennies or getting you know, paid nothing to be
in the ring. You are voluntarily there with the full
knowledge that yes, heckling and negative, negative comments from fans
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are gonna is gonna happen. Too bad, Too bad, that's
what happens. Oh well, I have no sympathy, zero for anyone,
and all the rest was coming to the defense of
you know, of of Maxine at the time, including rear Ripley.
As if Maxine is some kind of just fragile victim
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that can't hold her own, it's ridiculous. Grow up now,
That's what I would have said to Maxine, and I
would still stand by that today. But we've come a
long way. We've come a long way from that. Maxine Dupree.
Is she still a final product? No, she's got a
long way to go, but she's improving. You're seeing the
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fans rally behind her. Fans love an organic story. They
love that that new wrestler that comes along, and you're like,
they've got something. I'm rooting for them. I see improvement.
That's a feel good story. It's as a tale as
old as time, and this is a fun story with
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Becky who was in peril. She let's get to the finish.
She rolls out of the ring, grabs her title belt,
starts to leave. Maxine went to ringside, got Lynch back
of the ring, but Lynch still held the belt. As
Dupree went for a sunset flip, Lynch held the referee briefly.
Dupre gets a two count and then Lynch hits with
(28:00):
the title belt for the DQ finish. So Becky Lynch,
in a desperation move, ends up hitting Maxine Duprix to
retain the Intercontinental Championship. That does tell you that this
is not over between Maxine and Becky. Do I think
Maxine dupri is gonna win the Intercontinental Championship? Probably not,
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Probably not, But it's not the Women's World Championship. You
can make more of a case for it for Maxine,
who's gaining momentum. I mean, she's on a momentum train
right now. Fans are starting to rally behind her. She's likable.
Fans saw her from a place where she was just
a valet with La Knight if you remember back that far,
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and then doing silliness with the carrots Zawa and otis,
which she needs to just kind of separate from I
think to now breaking out on her own getting championship matches.
Fans are along for this ride, and I think that
if you put the belt on her, it wouldn't be
the craziest thing in the world for this mid card
women's belt. But Becky Lynch is also doing a phenomenal
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job with it. I think she's really adding a ton
of value to that belt, a ton, And I give
Becky Lynch credit. I criticize her for a lot of
different things too, but I mean she's doing a really
good job. The only program I haven't liked thus far
with Becky since her return is Lyra because they had
such horrible chemistry in the ring. I'm sorry on the mic.
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On the mic in the ring, they were really good,
Mike on the mic, they just they did not have it.
So other than that, I mean, Becky Lynch, you could
argue should keep it for a little while, but you
want a surprise, fans get a little or a lot
more momentum behind Maxine, you can give her the belt
as well. So Maxine dupri never thought I'd spend this
much time talking about her. She's not somebody you want
(29:50):
to push aside. Anymore. She's somebody you kind of want
to pay attention to, and she's the feel good story
for the women's division right now, all right. So we
then had lots of there's a back or a video
package with the Kaboogie Warriors. Oscar said they need a
new challenge and need new gold around their waists. We
then have Pierce assumed that Haymond wanted him to put
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Breaker and read Back in the Battle Royal because they
were taken out. Hammond said that I'm sorry. Pierce told
him to say please, and Haymon obliged, and Pierce said
that wasn't so hard. But then he told Hayman no
and slammed the door door in his face, and that's
when Becky Lynch was staring at him. Hamon spoke about
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surviving the day, said there was still a vision that
includes her, and Lynch wasn't buying any of it, and
she Lynch again had a really nice promo here in
a style that you don't see too often, and I'll
get to that in a minute. So she grabs Haymon
by the tie and told him that his snake oil
(30:58):
salesman crap doesn't work on her, or said she doesn't
trust him, never has. She said she never trusted Haymon
and set In neither. But Lynch said Rollins used Hayman
and knew that would he would turn on him. Lynch
said Rollins was actually a little surprised that it took
him so long. And Lynch told Hayman he would be
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nothing without Rollins, which of course is ridiculous. I mean,
Paul Hayman to say, out of everything, Okay, let's see,
this's the one criticism if I'm gonna have one, from
just the logical perspective, to say that Hayman would be
nothing without Rollins. Oh, I don't know, other than already
having a Hall of Fame Mount Rushmore career. Yet other
than that, Becky, you know again, way before Hayman and
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Rollins ever got together, he had already accomplished this. So yeah, sure,
Hayman would be nothing without Rollins again, even though he's
already had a Hall of Fame career maybe arguably the
best manager career of all time. Sure, but Lynch said
that all the people Hayman surrounds himself with now and
(32:06):
in the future would be killed by Rollins. That was
kind of killed is a little you gotta be careful
using that kind of language in pro wrestling. But Lynch said,
Rollins wouldn't kill Hayman, but he didn't be end up
wishing that he did. So really nice, really nice segment
here with Lynch despite my criticisms and Hayman and what
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made this so effective. The content was good outside of
a couple of things. Is that I just said. But
the most important and the most effective part of this
promo was the volume and the intensity and the intimacy
of the promo. It was the camera MIC's catching it.
It wasn't having her hold mic. It wasn't he in
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her usual promo voice. It wasn't in any any typical
promo voice where she's speaking for the crowd. It was
if she was only speaking to him and the cameras
happened to catch it. Those are sometimes the most effective.
The way she'd grit her teeth and speak through her teeth,
she wasn't even concerned at least that's how it appeared
(33:11):
that the you know, she was speaking loud enough for
the camera to hear her. That style of promo.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I don't know if I've seen in uh, I don't
even know the last time I've seen it, it was
just phenomenal, So pats off. Alrighty, we had a women's
World championship. All right, I'm sorry, a non title match,
but the women's world champion we had take on Roxan Perezo.
(33:40):
Stephanie Vatkaire takes on Roxanne Perez and this match, let's
see here, I don't I don't have a time here,
but Stephanie Vicaire ends up beating Roxanne Perez and the
finish was Perez setting up for a move on the ropes,
but she shoved her, but Vicaire shoved her at Rodrigue,
(34:00):
who caught her. Vacer went up top dove onto both heels,
and then Vacaier got Perez back inside the ring and
hit Angel wings for the victory. Immediately, Roxanne, I'm sorry
Rodriguez attacked Stephanie after the match, but lo and behold,
thank goodness, we had the you know, the knight and
(34:20):
shining armor. Nikki Bella ends up running out to make
the save. She put Perez down and then Rodriguez caught
her with a really good looking, almost scary looking boot,
and then Vacaier went up for a springbird move and
slipped and she came up holding her knee, and Vicier
and Bella cleared the heels from the ring. I haven't
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heard anything about an injury regarding Stephanie. That was clearly
by accident, and those ropes do get slippery with sweat
and everything else. I'm not faulting Stephanie for slipping. That
is a high risk move and the risk didn't pay
off in that case, and it looked like crap. The
announcers didn't try to pretend it looked good either, which
(35:03):
I appreciate. You just added to the list of botches,
the long list of botches on the women's side of things.
They are cursed with horrible looking botches over the last
couple of months, So just kind of add this to
the pile. I'm not saying the women's divisions on a
massive decline or anything. It's just it's just noteworthy. I
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don't even know what to do with the information other
than to just continue to put it, you know, in
a pile, and then do something with it. But the
women lately have had some really just bad looking botches
that you can't even cover for. I mean, they're embarrassing.
But in this case, though, it was more of perhaps
sweat on the ropes or something, or sweat on her
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foot or something slippery. It is a difficult move to
pull off. But more importantly than the botch is that
the knee of Stephanie Vauquierre that she was kind of
limping on. Hopefully there's no serious injury. All right, we
then have let's see backstage. Lyra was talking with Adam
(36:07):
Pierce when Bailey showed up. Bailey said she hadn't slept
since they won their match the week before, and Bailey
said she knew Valkyria's birthday was coming up, and Valkyia
wanted to know what Bailey had in mind, and Bailey
told her it would be wouldn't be a surprise and
she'd find out next week. So cliffhanger, massive cliffhanger in them.
(36:28):
I'm sure many of us are going to do next
week in next week, specifically to find out what the
surprise is that Bailey has for Valkyria's birthday. I mean,
that is a that is a hook. So Paul Haman
then entered the entered the dressing room, bron Breaker and
Bronson Reid were upset. Breaker said they arrived at the
World Championship and that now they don't even have spots
(36:49):
in the Battle Royal. Haymond told them the story of
Brock Lesner, saying Lesner listened to him and beat the
Rock to win the title. Hayman said Lesner got four
hundred thirty four days out of the title reign because
he listened to him and him and also said to
Roman Rains listened to him, and everyone remembers Roman's title reign,
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so he's just trying to, you know, encourage them. So
we then have a Battle Royal spot here for the
vacant World Championship, and we do end up with Ellie
and Knight, Jimmy Usso, Jay Us Dominic in aj styles
(37:34):
as you'd expect, and we did have again, as I
mentioned at the top of the show, the big spot
that everyone's talking about, the one that's going to be
the most discussed, is Jay eliminating both Ellen, Knight and
Jimmy to advance. And yes, Dominic you're thinking might have
a chance, which was funny that he also was eliminated,
(37:54):
but the refs didn't see it, so he put himself
back in and gave himself a second chance. That's the
kind of stuff they need to do with Dom. It's perfect,
that's exactly what they need to do. It still didn't
pay off, as Dom ends up getting eliminated again and
jay Uso wins and jay Us could say, hey, you know,
I had to take both of you out. I had
to sacrifice you because I saw an opportunity to take
(38:17):
out Night and it might not have gotten that opportunity again,
So he could sell it that way. But Jimmy was
none happy, you know, non too happy about it. And
La Knight was I think an odds on favorite to
win that when you go in, but when you look
at the logic of it again, I know a lot
of people are mad that La Knight didn't win. And
once again, it's never seemingly the right time for La Knight.
(38:39):
We've been saying that for now years since the La
Night movement began, and it has had some staying power.
I have to say I'm very pleased over the last
couple of years of how well the fans have continued
to push for La Knight. It's gone in ebbs and flows,
but generally it's been pretty steady and pretty significant. So
(38:59):
I do feel though because he just he's just the
timing for him has been the worst part. The timing
for him has been his achilles heel. It's just always
seemingly that they're well, they're aiming for Cody, you know,
they're aiming for Seth. Well we got cm punk back.
It never seems to be that things aligned for Night
or it's oh, it's now, it feels like it's Night's time.
(39:21):
It feels like they've always just got something bigger going
on at the worst possible times for La Knight, and
by the time that they align things for him, it
feels like he's gonna get injured or something, some kind
of divine intervention that will take place where some cataclysmic event,
we finally get Night in the picture and then he
gets injured. Not putting it out there in the universe,
(39:42):
but I guess I already did. If you think my
words actually have an effect on something like that happening,
you're probably listening to the wrong show. But I do
agree in the sense that La Knight has seemingly been
pushed to the side for other talent. I mean he has,
actually it's not seemingly, he just has. But when you
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look back, Okay, what would you have done with Knight?
What would you have done with Knight in the past years.
I mean you had the Cody Road story that took
up two years. He was completely cannibalizing the entire championship
that Roman Range was holding. He couldn't go after Roman.
He did get one chance at Roman, but we all
knew it wasn't gonna happen. So you can't say that
(40:23):
la Knight has never had the title opportunity. But how
about this. He's never had a title opportunity where you
actually believed he could win. See that's the difference. Things
for Elia Knight have never shaken out where you're like, Okay,
he's got an opportunity here, but it's an opportunity you
believe that, hey, he might have it, he might we
be able to do this. Man, that hasn't happened yet.
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It always is like, well, so and so just won it,
or well they didn't get to this program yet, and
Knights a holdover Knights just a stepping stone. When is
it gonna be Allaen Knight's time? I don't know. Is
it ever gonna be l A Knight's time? I don't know. Yes,
he's not a young guy in the pantheon of wrestlers.
(41:05):
I mean, he's in his I think he's in his
early forties. It might be my age, and congrats to
him for looking incredible, but it doesn't seem like they're
going to ever make him the guy. They might give
him a fun little run or run that he can
have a few months with as a title. You know,
I was world champion, and the fans will go crazy
and it'll be a fun, feel good time, But it
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doesn't seem like they're ever going to build anything around him.
He's just a nice B plus a minus guy that
you might be able to make champion for a small
amount of time, but he's not a centerpiece. That's how
I feel that WWE feels about him. Okay, we could
be totally wrong, but so far, all the evidence points
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that way. In the way that he's been booked for
now several years, like we've had a large sample size
and this is just another opportunity. Even though Ellien and
I has been main eventing for now a long long
period of time. He's been the main events of Raw,
he's been the main events of SmackDown, but he hasn't
gotten that big win yet. And when we look at
(42:08):
the most recent story this past Monday, we had Jay
us win. Okay, well, what would happened if you had
Ella Knight win? Again? If the story is to turn
Jay heel and it's seemingly where they're going, you don't
want to put Elle Knight in a position to get
booed against CM Punk, which in all likelihood probably would
have happened to have been a mixed reaction at best
(42:30):
for La Night. Cmpunk's just a bigger star than Ella
Knight is kind of indisputable. Fans want to see at
least see them Punk at or Run with the Belt,
just like they want to see La Night. So I
don't think they wanted to have the fans be forced
to decide to choose to boo l A Knight, And
I think if they had to choose, they probably would
side with Punk. Again, it depends on the city. I mean,
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if they're in Chicago, forget it. Anywhere else it would
be a mixed reaction fifty to fifty, probably sixty to
forty leaning for Punk. But you don't want it to
the fans like that. It's easier to boo Jay Uso,
who had a just for all intents and purposes, a
kind of a bad title run. He has been booked
terribly since WrestleMania. He has had really bad promos. Jay
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Uso has been kind of flat, his character has been
up and down. It's easier, much easier to boot jay
Uso than it is La Knight, So you can't put
La Night in that spot. Timing again is not right. Sorry, Night,
I'm sorry, you gotta do it when ideally there's a
heel champion, we just had one. But now my guess
(43:37):
is that seam Punk's gonna win it, but you could
have Jay. You could certainly have jay Uso win it.
And there's a rival we built in with jay Uso
in La Knight. But if they go with Punk winning it,
do you really want Punk versus Night? Do you really
want that? And also, I don't think Night's in the
equation because regardless of who wins it at my Saturday
Night Man event, whether it's Punk or that's Jay, you
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know that their first few title defenses that the minimum
are not going to result in them dropping the belt,
especially coming off of a seth Rollins injury. That's going
to annoying a new champion. You can't have the title
keep bouncing, So I don't think that that's a good choice.
Could they do it? Sure? I mean, anything's possible in wrestling.
They can write the story, they can control the narrative.
But I think you're going to have La Knight for
(44:21):
me my money, not be involved in the title picture,
or at least be a real threat to the champion,
whoever it's going to be Jay or Punk until maybe
Rumble time and again you could look to the Royal
Rumble for La Knight possibly being one of the top
five picks. So yeah, let me, don't you guys think?
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You can always email me mail bag at ww podcast
dot com with your thoughts on La and Night. And
if you're furious that he didn't win, but if you're
understanding why he didn't, or if you're just like man,
this is ridiculous. He should have won. This is why.
This is why I'm all open to that too, So
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next time.
So Seth Rollins is out. Seth Rollins is out out
for who knows how many months we didn't get it
a specific number from WWE. Many have speculated six months.
I am optimistic he'll be back before WrestleMania. That's just
my own hunch. I'm sure that's what they're aiming for
as well. And I think this is going to be
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an interesting time in the company, specifically in the world
title side, as we have Cmpunk challenging jay Uso at
Saturday Night's main event. The winner will become the or
the new World Heavyweight Champion on the Monday night raw side. Yes,
jay Uso, not to l A Knight. No, no, not
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La Knight. We have jay Uso once again. And I'm
not sure what the company is really thinking here. I mean,
if the idea is to start the official turn of
jay Uso as well, then congratulations, you're on the road.
Because Jay us for a while has been teetering on heel.
(01:05):
We know that there's been a lot of tension between
him and Jay, him and Roman specifically, and this past
week with Jay eliminating Jimmy and La Knight, I think
that that adds to that narrative. If you want to
go down that road, would I go down that road.
I'm not against Jay turning heel. I'm against Jay competing
(01:27):
against his brother. We've been here. It feels like we
were just here. We were just here with At WrestleMania forty,
I know that him and Jay had a match and
it was regarded as one of the worst matches of
the entire pl It was horrible, which is maybe the
only time in history that you could say Jimmy and
j had a bad match. I mean, they're so talented,
(01:50):
but with the overuse of the super kicks, the match
was just it was not good. I mean, they spent
so much time being partners, they don't know how to
be opponents. So maybe things have changed. And I'm not
going to go off the rails about it. I'm not
going to lose my mind about it. But if they're
going Jimmy versus Jay again, then you know it is
(02:14):
what it is. I don't personally think that it's a
great idea. I've never been on board with Jimmy and
Jay again, but it's a different year. They're not a
part of the bloodline anymore. They're still loosely aligned with
Roman reigns who pops in and out of television. So
I mean, I'll watch, but maybe there is an audience
(02:36):
out there who wants this. I really, at least right now,
I don't. But unless you know, again, if it's to
turn Jay heel and then you have another top heel
on run it et raw, that's fine because don't forget
Seth Rollins is now on the shelf for the foreseeable future.
So you need to replace that top heel. And yes,
(02:57):
Braun and Bronson can fill that role, but they can't
fill Seth's role. They already had their own role of
being heels, So that to me is something that's gonna
need to be filled and you could have Jay Usso
make that case. Now, does that mean Sampunk's going to
lose the belt or lose the World Championship at at
(03:19):
Saturday Nights main event. Maybe maybe he'll lose the match.
He's not champion, but he'll lose the match and J
becomes champion. I'll say this, If J becomes champion, you
can throw any idea of Ja being a babyface out
the door, because when it comes to the fans choosing
between Punk and J, they're gonna choose Punk. They just will.
He's a bigger star. He hasn't really had a proper
(03:40):
run as champion. You're gonna take that to the bank
that the fans are gonna side with c M Punk
if they're forced to choose, and they might be forced
to choose, They're going to be forced to choose at
Saturday nights main event in Salt Lake City, which of
course is coming to us in week and a half.
H oh, interesting development. We'll get more into the Battle
(04:02):
Royal as we get on into the show here, but
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(04:47):
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(05:10):
let's let's get into it. To start with Monnett Raw.
We'll start right at the top here. We'll start with
what was the open? I got to look at the reviewer. Oh,
Adam Pierce is in the ring. He was announced by
Lily and Garcia, who just doesn't age she's found the
Fountain of Youth like her and aj Lee for some reason,
(05:30):
I've just they have been able to identify the goal,
holy Grail of the Fountain of Youth. I don't know
how they do it, but we have bron Breaker, Bronson
Reid and Paul Haymon exiting a truck backstage. Breaker had
the World Championship over his shoulder as they walked through
the backstage area and made their entrance and joined Pierce
(05:52):
inside the ring. Pierce said he knew Seth Rollinds was
injured coming out of his match with Cody and said
Rollins underwent surgery and would be on the shelf for
a while because of what Breaker and Reid did to him. Well,
I have to step in here because you guys know
I'm a big fan of logic. How are you telling
me that he's injured coming out of the match. Pierce
(06:13):
said he knew that that Ronalds was injured coming out
of the match with Cody, Yet he's blaming the surgery
on what happened because of what Breaker and Braun died
to him. But no, I know they're trying to have
their cake and eat it too and put the blame
on Breaker and Read and give them heat like you
gotta pick one, you gotta pick one. You can't have both.
(06:36):
You can't tell me you knew he was injured and
still having him, by the way, competing in an upcoming
match with Saturday Night's main event. But then also say that, well, no,
I knew he was injured, but the reason he had
surgery is because of Breaker and Red stop fine, It's
just sometimes the insult and on our intelligence is striking.
(07:01):
So Pierce did to a new world champion will be
crowned at Saturday Night's Made event. He said Cempunk earned
the number one contender status last week and that he
would be in the match. Pierce said that there would
also be a Battle Royal on tonight's show to determine
who would face Punk for the world title. Pierce told
Breaker that the belt no longer belongs to Rollins and
(07:23):
it sure as hell doesn't belong to you. He asked
and demanded that Breaker handed over to him, and Breaker
said you didn't say please, which was really actually pretty good.
I mean, Breaker, Breaker could be babyface really at any
moment if they really wanted to switch him. Fans love
brand new toys to play with, and Breaker right now
(07:45):
is playing that heel role. But if they wanted to
Breaker could i mean Pun intended break out and be
a babyface if they really wanted him to be. But
we did have Breaker say that you know that, or
teased that he would hand the belt to Pierce, but
he handed it to Hayman, who then handed it to Pierce,
(08:06):
and then Hayman asked the fans why they're so mad
at him, and he said he watched and this is again,
what are we doing here? Paul Hayman then says that
he watches or watched WWE Unreal and this gets worse
and he gets that they're the bad guys and the
villains or the heels, and Hayman said the vision had
(08:27):
nothing to do with Rollins, and that Hayman said he
made the move at WrestleMania because Breaker is the future.
And Paul said that he made the move because he
always knew that Reed was better than Roman reigns. Oh
really did you? Okay, there's multiple levels of problems with us,
despite the fact that it's Paul Haman saying these words,
which somehow for many people absolves him of having to
(08:51):
just deal with logic and common sense. Okay, first of all,
number one and least importantly, no, you certainly did not
believe that Bronson Reid an upcoming star that did nothing
other than his biggest achievement up until that point was
injuring Seth Rollins quote unquote remember the sixth Tsunamis And
(09:12):
then you know, of course, when Seth came back, he
brought Bronson Reid on a lah the vision. But up
until that point, Bronson Reid had really done not a
whole lot. He had what had a program with who
was it? Who was it? Braunz Strowman, That's what it was.
He had a program with bron Stroman that was a
lot of fun. And he was tsunamiing people off of
ambulances and you know, high places, and that was cool.
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But you can't tell me that Paul Hayman's character believes
that it was actually true, that the truth was Bronson
Reid was better than Roman Reigns. Really, like an eight
time WrestleMania main inventor was championed for nearly four years,
held every championship, w W has to offer box office attraction,
needle mover all the rest of it, face to the company,
(09:58):
record sales and merch. The list goes on. And you know,
we're supposed to believe that the character of Paul Hammond
knew that bron Breaker is better. I'm sorry, Bronson is
better than Roman Reigns. Anyway, Again, these things are just
things that he says that no one's gonna check him on,
except I do Also, he said that the vision had
nothing to do with Rollins. Well, that's it's true that
(10:21):
any group is built to push forward younger talent. At
least that should be the principal purpose of any any
faction that gets started, right, it should be because you
got to build new single stars. That's fine. I actually
don't have a ton of problem with that, because it
really isn't about Seth Rollins. I mean, it is, but
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it's not the short term. It's about Seth, but it's
a long term vision, which means the vision. I mean,
the group is so aptly named it's hard not to
punt it. The way you describe the group is actually
the way that the group is designed in real life,
so the name is very apropos So I actually don't
have a problem with that. But then again him talking
about the Heels and how we're the heels and the
(11:04):
bad guys and we watch on real so it's like
a meta meta kind of fourth wall breaking, but we're
still in the show, so hopefully you guys come along,
But we're Heels and we're the bad guys. But did
you see the show about the show that we're doing
right now, of which we're scripted to say what I'm
saying right now, and also please believe us. You see
that just stupidity of constantly bringing again. It's just I
(11:27):
don't see the need for this. It doesn't make things
more real or make people invest more. By telling the
fans all the time that what they're watching is scripted,
even if what they're saying is a meta thing to say,
it doesn't make it more real. It's like inception. I mean,
(11:49):
you have all seen that right with Leonardo DiCaprio. It's
like a dream within a dream within a dream. Am
I still in a dream but it's a dream? Am
I dreaming that I'm dreaming? Am I stuck in a
dream even though I woke up? That's where I'm at.
My head is just spinning on this crap. How about
we just try not try to reinvent the damn wheel here?
You know what it means, just means trying to make
people believe without trying to be more real, because being
(12:12):
more real about talking about the business you're in makes
it less real and reminds fans oh wait, yeah crap,
Like what we're watching is silliness. What we're watching is
completely fabricated. It's completely contrived. It's it was created in
a boardroom with Triple H and his goons. That's where
this was created. Oh yeah, that's right. Thanks for reminding me, Paul.
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It's I don't know, I know a lot of you
just glance over this and go, oh, okay, whatever, it's Paul.
I don't. I don't absolve Paul him, and as great
as he is, I don't absolve him or his character
from saying these things. Is it sacriligious to me? It
is against pro wrestling. It is because I like things
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just the way they were in terms of just trying
to have some respect for the business. This is a
complete disrespect for the business that everyone has just got
accustomed to. And everyone's okay with everyone just could just
let it go. Everyone just who cares? It's twenty twenty five,
as if the year has anything to do with how
you should respect or not respect something. Again, like you'll
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hear that being used for so many different things. It's
twenty twenty five and then insert X thing that suddenly
is acceptable that you know previously wasn't, And the year
is just supposed to explain away all the reasons why
something doesn't matter anymore. You hear that a lot about it,
A lot of stuff, do you not, and not just wrestling.
It's twenty twenty five, it's not nineteen fifty eight anymore.
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You know you could use that. Again, we won't talk
about those things on this show, but you know what
I'm talking about. With a lot of just cultural stuff
and with wrestling, this is no different. I'm sure a
lot of people it's twenty twenty five, it's not nineteen
ninety six or whatever. Again, doesn't mean that just because
it's twenty twenty five that your vision, no pun intended,
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of what wrestling should be is a better version of it.
Progression doesn't mean improvement. Progression doesn't automatically mean better, and
moving forward in time doesn't necessarily mean better. Sometimes the
formula can be very simple and the formerly it doesn't
need to change, but a lot of people think it does.
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I don't, So that means I'm right everyone else is wrong.
That's I guess the bottom line here. So, okay, I
promise we're not going to make the rest of this
show this long. I really do. I pinky promise. So
Paul Hayman then continues, it was the vision over the bloodline.
He said, Rollins couldn't shoulder that nice little light, nice
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little wordsmithing there. He couldn't shoulder the responsibility of leading
the vision into the future. Hayman called Rollins a bum
shoulder bitch. Mmm. That was again, for all the criticism,
I just gave the writing for this segment. He turn
and around you to say this stuff. It's good stuff.
It just is the way Haymon said it. He said
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that winners, winners write history. Hayman said Rollins was going
to main event WrestleMania, but that spot was taken from
him by Breaker. Haymon said, Breaker and Reid conspired to
take that away from Rollins, and they have the vision
and intensity to become WrestleMania main eventters. Do there you go?
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I mean again, the the expectation that bron Breaker is
going to be a main event, a main event of
WrestleMania continues to loom large over his head. I've never
heard anyone say this ever about any talent ever up
and coming. Are they that confident? Are they that sure?
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Are they that completely bought? Like they're completely all in
on bron Breaker. You could argue right now that he's
for the front runner to win the Royal Rumble this
year for twenty twenty six. The way that they're talking,
I mean, yes, you have Sammy's Ain in there and
kind of an early look here Sammy's Ain. You have
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La Knight, who continues to be a perennial kind of
outside outside talent that you're thinking he could or should
win this year. And we'll talk about La Night. Don't worry.
I know a lot of people are really upset about
what happened at a Monday Night raw in the Battle Royal.
But yeah, you I mean you have La Knight, you
have of course, you have Juso floating out there. You
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could have Roman Reigns floating out there. You could have
Cody Roads floating out there unless he's you know, well
he's champion right now, but if he drops the belt
before and I don't think he will, so I don't
think actually Cody Roads will be involved. But you've got
some front runners and guess Bronson Reid so bron Breaker
certainly could be your front runner right now for the
Royal Rubble if you're looking that far ahead. So we
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have the the next segment here with Finn Balor and
JD mcdonoughh first match here taking on AJ Styles and
Dragon Lee for the World Tag Team titles. And if
you listen to me on my weekend review show, you
knew that I was of the belief that this is
a title changing matchup because the titles haven't really been
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in the focus of WWE for a while. The people
who are or individuals holding the belt at this point
have been kind of quiet. And when that happens and
they suddenly, out of nowhere put the titles up, and
this goes across the board, Men's singles title, women's singles title,
tag titles, it doesn't matter. You kind of know that
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that's a indication they're about to switch things up and
start to focus on them, but not with that current
champion holding the belt. They're gonna make a change, and
that's exactly what happened here. But it's the right call.
So here's the finish. As AJ Styles and Dragon Lee
win the World Tag titles to a big pop, McDonough
tags out and hit Styles of the Moon. Salt Balor
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ends up following with a coup de gras he covered
Styles and McDonough tried to block Lee, who dove over
him to break up the pin. Balor set up Styles
for a Styles clash, but then Styles avoided it and
hit the move on Balor before pinning him. I'm shocked
that we didn't have Dom somehow involved in this. That's
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the only piece I thought was missing, is that we
didn't have finally a Dom versus Finn matchup that has
been going on. I mean, at this point, it feels
like twelve eighteen, twenty four months that we've been teased
a Dom versus Balor match, and I figured this could
be a great opportunity to go there and to start
burning that program red hot where Balor gets you know,
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starts to flip out on Dom for a misqueue or
something during that Finn where Dom could be the reason
for the loss, and that didn't happen here. So all right,
But again, cool to see AJ Styles and Dragonly win
the World Tag team titles. Cool to see really AJ
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do anything at this point because of you know, his
impending retirement next year that I believe is all but confirmed.
So it's gonna be fun to watch AJ and Dragonly
defend the tag team titles have a nice little run
for a while. I don't think to hold him more
than three four months. It could be you actually could
be all the way to maybe January at the latest,
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maybe into wrestlemane deep into WrestleMania season. I have my
doubts that you're gonna have AJ and Dragon legal that
far six month run. But as long as you can
keep these two going, is it not fun as hell
to watch these two works? It's great? So okay, the
next segment here, Jimmy USO is in the dressing room
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taping his fingers. Jay Uso comes in. Jimmy asked if
he was supposed to acknowledge Jane now, and Jay conceded
that what he told Jimmy last week wasn't right. Jay
said he was mad at himself for making the same
mistake he did in Paris and mentioned something about Big
Oose and Jimmy cut him off and said Roman wouldn't
be in the Battle Royal later in the show, but
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they will, And Jimmy said Jay didn't lose his title
because he stuck his neck out to help people. He
lost it because he quotes Jay stopped believing in Jay,
and Jay said Jimmy was right and then added that
Roman might be right too. Jay asked if they were
good and that was that? So seemingly things are smoothed over.
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The tension that was boiling up last week at this
point seemingly was being kind of dealt with, and that
of course changed again through the course of the night. Okay,
so continuing, we then have dom versus Roussa for the
Intercontinental title. The match went nine and a half minutes,
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with Dominic beating Russev as expected. It was just a
matter of how he was going to do it, and
the fans were all behind him, cheating to win. I
mean number one, because Russev is not a beloved character
in the baby face role anyway. In the company. We
have Dominic, who's been here a while. People are really
starting to warm up to his character. They see a
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lot of Eddie Guerrero in his character. He's taken his
lumps and bumps and losses, and it's just time for
people to come full circle on him and start to
embrace him again. And that's exactly what's happening Dominic. The finish,
if you're interested in and didn't see it, was going,
dom going for a six to one nine, but Russev
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blocked it. He found the timekeeper's hammer. Russev did in
Dom's boot and took it, and then Russev wound up
with the hammer. It was going to hit him, but
the ref stopped him. And then as the referees back
was turned, kick Russev's right, you know, right in the nuts.
He kicked him in the backside, but it was supposed
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to be a low blow. It's fine. Dom then hit
the six to one nine and a frog splash for
the victory. So after the match, Penta hit the ring
and then hit Russav with the springboard DDT. Penta pointed
a Dom who was watching from the stage. You know
this is I hope to continue. Don't screw with Dom,
don't try to turn him back heel. There's no need
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to try to reignite that nuclear heat. You're not gonna
be able to recreate it even if you wanted to.
It's something the fans just decide to have to to do,
and they're not going to be manipulated by w W
E At this point. I don't believe. I think if you,
if you keep Tom on this course and continue to
have him in a position to squeak out of victory
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from a more dominating opponent, it's a great place for
him to be He's now the underdog. He's not that
scar smarmy little heel that is always bar and then
you just want to punch his face. He's kind of
now he's transitioned to the underdog because he's not a
muscle bound guy. He's he's got some height, but his
muscle mass is very low compared to most of the wrestlers.
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So he automatically has that sympathy there, and his his
mullet and his mustache are now something that that's endearing.
His his style of trying to retain how is he
gonna lie, cheat and steal his way out of this tonight?
He the spirit of Eddie Guerrero has now taken over DOM,
and I hope they run with it. They've got something
here with Dom. We've been through the booze, the years
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of booze, let this ride. They have something special here.
It's it's really just kind of obvious here. I mean,
they've got DOM in a great position, and I hope
they continue to push forward and have a longer run
than anyone expects with that Intercontinental title. I think they
could have a lot of fun with DOM and we'll
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have to see how long they go or what their
plans are and when the Finn ballard hammer drops. Okay,
So Maxine dupre warmed up while Otis and Akira Tazawa
fired her up, and she came out with Otis and
Nakira as she took on Becky Lynch for the Women's
Intercontinental title and Lili and Garcia delivered the inn ring introductions.
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The match went nine minutes and forty five seconds, with
Maxine Duprix beating Becky Lynch but by d Q, thereby
allowing Becky Lynch to retain the Intercontinental Championship. But this
is also a surprisingly fun program. I mean, you have
Maxine Duprix. I mean remember the whole fan video that
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came out where Maxine was at a live event or
it was it might have been it was I think
it was non televised, but if it was televised, it
was during a or after the match she had on
raw or something. Regardless it was a match. After the match,
you had the fans say how she sucked and she
doesn't have to wrestle on all this stuff, and all
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the other wrestler women's wrestlers came to her defense, whear
Ripley came to her defense everybody came to her defense.
I did not come to her defense for my money.
You put yourself in that position voluntarily. You kind of
know that. Sure, you have to cut your teeth in
front of live fans, but you know that if you
get into this business, fans can be ruthless. That just
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comes with the territory. You aren't owed anything. You know
you aren't. You don't deserve anything. You earn respect, You
earn your way up, you earn the fans respect. The
fans are gonna hammer you for a while. Even if
you suck in the ring, fans will be able to
easily detect it, but it won't last long because if
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they see you continue to improve, they'll respect that. And
that's where Maxine's at. So, I mean, I never bought
into that, and I never discouraged fans from telling wrestlers
they suck and can't wrestle, because if the wrestler's skin
is that thin, then they don't. They don't belong in
the ring anyway, like you, really, you don't belong in
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that profession. This goes for any public profession where criticism
is a part of the game. You're getting paid to
be there. You're not a slave, who's you know, working
for pennies or getting you know, paid nothing to be
in the ring. You are voluntarily there with the full
knowledge that yes, heckling and negative, negative comments from fans
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are gonna is gonna happen. Too bad, Too bad, that's
what happens. Oh well, I have no sympathy, zero for anyone,
and all the rest was coming to the defense of
you know, of of Maxine at the time, including rear Ripley.
As if Maxine is some kind of just fragile victim
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that can't hold her own, it's ridiculous. Grow up now,
That's what I would have said to Maxine, and I
would still stand by that today. But we've come a
long way. We've come a long way from that. Maxine Dupree.
Is she still a final product? No, she's got a
long way to go, but she's improving. You're seeing the
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fans rally behind her. Fans love an organic story. They
love that that new wrestler that comes along, and you're like,
they've got something. I'm rooting for them. I see improvement.
That's a feel good story. It's as a tale as
old as time, and this is a fun story with
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Becky who was in peril. She let's get to the finish.
She rolls out of the ring, grabs her title belt,
starts to leave. Maxine went to ringside, got Lynch back
of the ring, but Lynch still held the belt. As
Dupree went for a sunset flip, Lynch held the referee briefly.
Dupre gets a two count and then Lynch hits with
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the title belt for the DQ finish. So Becky Lynch,
in a desperation move, ends up hitting Maxine Duprix to
retain the Intercontinental Championship. That does tell you that this
is not over between Maxine and Becky. Do I think
Maxine dupri is gonna win the Intercontinental Championship? Probably not,
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Probably not, But it's not the Women's World Championship. You
can make more of a case for it for Maxine,
who's gaining momentum. I mean, she's on a momentum train
right now. Fans are starting to rally behind her. She's likable.
Fans saw her from a place where she was just
a valet with La Knight if you remember back that far,
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and then doing silliness with the carrots Zawa and otis,
which she needs to just kind of separate from I
think to now breaking out on her own getting championship matches.
Fans are along for this ride, and I think that
if you put the belt on her, it wouldn't be
the craziest thing in the world for this mid card
women's belt. But Becky Lynch is also doing a phenomenal
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job with it. I think she's really adding a ton
of value to that belt, a ton, And I give
Becky Lynch credit. I criticize her for a lot of
different things too, but I mean she's doing a really
good job. The only program I haven't liked thus far
with Becky since her return is Lyra because they had
such horrible chemistry in the ring. I'm sorry on the mic.
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On the mic in the ring, they were really good,
Mike on the mic, they just they did not have it.
So other than that, I mean, Becky Lynch, you could
argue should keep it for a little while, but you
want a surprise, fans get a little or a lot
more momentum behind Maxine, you can give her the belt
as well. So Maxine dupri never thought I'd spend this
much time talking about her. She's not somebody you want
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to push aside. Anymore. She's somebody you kind of want
to pay attention to, and she's the feel good story
for the women's division right now, all right. So we
then had lots of there's a back or a video
package with the Kaboogie Warriors. Oscar said they need a
new challenge and need new gold around their waists. We
then have Pierce assumed that Haymond wanted him to put
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Breaker and read Back in the Battle Royal because they
were taken out. Hammond said that I'm sorry. Pierce told
him to say please, and Haymon obliged, and Pierce said
that wasn't so hard. But then he told Hayman no
and slammed the door door in his face, and that's
when Becky Lynch was staring at him. Hamon spoke about
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surviving the day, said there was still a vision that
includes her, and Lynch wasn't buying any of it, and
she Lynch again had a really nice promo here in
a style that you don't see too often, and I'll
get to that in a minute. So she grabs Haymon
by the tie and told him that his snake oil
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salesman crap doesn't work on her, or said she doesn't
trust him, never has. She said she never trusted Haymon
and set In neither. But Lynch said Rollins used Hayman
and knew that would he would turn on him. Lynch
said Rollins was actually a little surprised that it took
him so long. And Lynch told Hayman he would be
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nothing without Rollins, which of course is ridiculous. I mean,
Paul Hayman to say, out of everything, Okay, let's see,
this's the one criticism if I'm gonna have one, from
just the logical perspective, to say that Hayman would be
nothing without Rollins. Oh, I don't know, other than already
having a Hall of Fame Mount Rushmore career. Yet other
than that, Becky, you know again, way before Hayman and
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Rollins ever got together, he had already accomplished this. So yeah, sure,
Hayman would be nothing without Rollins again, even though he's
already had a Hall of Fame career maybe arguably the
best manager career of all time. Sure, but Lynch said
that all the people Hayman surrounds himself with now and
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in the future would be killed by Rollins. That was
kind of killed is a little you gotta be careful
using that kind of language in pro wrestling. But Lynch said,
Rollins wouldn't kill Hayman, but he didn't be end up
wishing that he did. So really nice, really nice segment
here with Lynch despite my criticisms and Hayman and what
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made this so effective. The content was good outside of
a couple of things. Is that I just said. But
the most important and the most effective part of this
promo was the volume and the intensity and the intimacy
of the promo. It was the camera MIC's catching it.
It wasn't having her hold mic. It wasn't he in
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her usual promo voice. It wasn't in any any typical
promo voice where she's speaking for the crowd. It was
if she was only speaking to him and the cameras
happened to catch it. Those are sometimes the most effective.
The way she'd grit her teeth and speak through her teeth,
she wasn't even concerned at least that's how it appeared
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that the you know, she was speaking loud enough for
the camera to hear her. That style of promo.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I don't know if I've seen in uh, I don't
even know the last time I've seen it, it was
just phenomenal, So pats off. Alrighty, we had a women's
World championship. All right, I'm sorry, a non title match,
but the women's world champion we had take on Roxan Perezo.
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Stephanie Vatkaire takes on Roxanne Perez and this match, let's
see here, I don't I don't have a time here,
but Stephanie Vicaire ends up beating Roxanne Perez and the
finish was Perez setting up for a move on the ropes,
but she shoved her, but Vicaire shoved her at Rodrigue,
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who caught her. Vacer went up top dove onto both heels,
and then Vacaier got Perez back inside the ring and
hit Angel wings for the victory. Immediately, Roxanne, I'm sorry
Rodriguez attacked Stephanie after the match, but lo and behold,
thank goodness, we had the you know, the knight and
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shining armor. Nikki Bella ends up running out to make
the save. She put Perez down and then Rodriguez caught
her with a really good looking, almost scary looking boot,
and then Vacaier went up for a springbird move and
slipped and she came up holding her knee, and Vicier
and Bella cleared the heels from the ring. I haven't
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heard anything about an injury regarding Stephanie. That was clearly
by accident, and those ropes do get slippery with sweat
and everything else. I'm not faulting Stephanie for slipping. That
is a high risk move and the risk didn't pay
off in that case, and it looked like crap. The
announcers didn't try to pretend it looked good either, which
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I appreciate. You just added to the list of botches,
the long list of botches on the women's side of things.
They are cursed with horrible looking botches over the last
couple of months, So just kind of add this to
the pile. I'm not saying the women's divisions on a
massive decline or anything. It's just it's just noteworthy. I
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don't even know what to do with the information other
than to just continue to put it, you know, in
a pile, and then do something with it. But the
women lately have had some really just bad looking botches
that you can't even cover for. I mean, they're embarrassing.
But in this case, though, it was more of perhaps
sweat on the ropes or something, or sweat on her
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foot or something slippery. It is a difficult move to
pull off. But more importantly than the botch is that
the knee of Stephanie Vauquierre that she was kind of
limping on. Hopefully there's no serious injury. All right, we
then have let's see backstage. Lyra was talking with Adam
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Pierce when Bailey showed up. Bailey said she hadn't slept
since they won their match the week before, and Bailey
said she knew Valkyria's birthday was coming up, and Valkyia
wanted to know what Bailey had in mind, and Bailey
told her it would be wouldn't be a surprise and
she'd find out next week. So cliffhanger, massive cliffhanger in them.
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I'm sure many of us are going to do next
week in next week, specifically to find out what the
surprise is that Bailey has for Valkyria's birthday. I mean,
that is a that is a hook. So Paul Haman
then entered the entered the dressing room, bron Breaker and
Bronson Reid were upset. Breaker said they arrived at the
World Championship and that now they don't even have spots
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in the Battle Royal. Haymond told them the story of
Brock Lesner, saying Lesner listened to him and beat the
Rock to win the title. Hayman said Lesner got four
hundred thirty four days out of the title reign because
he listened to him and him and also said to
Roman Rains listened to him, and everyone remembers Roman's title reign,
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so he's just trying to, you know, encourage them. So
we then have a Battle Royal spot here for the
vacant World Championship, and we do end up with Ellie
and Knight, Jimmy Usso, Jay Us Dominic in aj styles
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as you'd expect, and we did have again, as I
mentioned at the top of the show, the big spot
that everyone's talking about, the one that's going to be
the most discussed, is Jay eliminating both Ellen, Knight and
Jimmy to advance. And yes, Dominic you're thinking might have
a chance, which was funny that he also was eliminated,
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but the refs didn't see it, so he put himself
back in and gave himself a second chance. That's the
kind of stuff they need to do with Dom. It's perfect,
that's exactly what they need to do. It still didn't
pay off, as Dom ends up getting eliminated again and
jay Uso wins and jay Us could say, hey, you know,
I had to take both of you out. I had
to sacrifice you because I saw an opportunity to take
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out Night and it might not have gotten that opportunity again,
So he could sell it that way. But Jimmy was
none happy, you know, non too happy about it. And
La Knight was I think an odds on favorite to
win that when you go in, but when you look
at the logic of it again, I know a lot
of people are mad that La Knight didn't win. And
once again, it's never seemingly the right time for La Knight.
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We've been saying that for now years since the La
Night movement began, and it has had some staying power.
I have to say I'm very pleased over the last
couple of years of how well the fans have continued
to push for La Knight. It's gone in ebbs and flows,
but generally it's been pretty steady and pretty significant. So
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I do feel though because he just he's just the
timing for him has been the worst part. The timing
for him has been his achilles heel. It's just always
seemingly that they're well, they're aiming for Cody, you know,
they're aiming for Seth. Well we got cm punk back.
It never seems to be that things aligned for Night
or it's oh, it's now, it feels like it's Night's time.
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It feels like they've always just got something bigger going
on at the worst possible times for La Knight, and
by the time that they align things for him, it
feels like he's gonna get injured or something, some kind
of divine intervention that will take place where some cataclysmic event,
we finally get Night in the picture and then he
gets injured. Not putting it out there in the universe,
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but I guess I already did. If you think my
words actually have an effect on something like that happening,
you're probably listening to the wrong show. But I do
agree in the sense that La Knight has seemingly been
pushed to the side for other talent. I mean he has,
actually it's not seemingly, he just has. But when you
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look back, Okay, what would you have done with Knight?
What would you have done with Knight in the past years.
I mean you had the Cody Road story that took
up two years. He was completely cannibalizing the entire championship
that Roman Range was holding. He couldn't go after Roman.
He did get one chance at Roman, but we all
knew it wasn't gonna happen. So you can't say that
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la Knight has never had the title opportunity. But how
about this. He's never had a title opportunity where you
actually believed he could win. See that's the difference. Things
for Elia Knight have never shaken out where you're like, Okay,
he's got an opportunity here, but it's an opportunity you
believe that, hey, he might have it, he might we
be able to do this. Man, that hasn't happened yet.
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It always is like, well, so and so just won it,
or well they didn't get to this program yet, and
Knights a holdover Knights just a stepping stone. When is
it gonna be Allaen Knight's time? I don't know. Is
it ever gonna be l A Knight's time? I don't know. Yes,
he's not a young guy in the pantheon of wrestlers.
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I mean, he's in his I think he's in his
early forties. It might be my age, and congrats to
him for looking incredible, but it doesn't seem like they're
going to ever make him the guy. They might give
him a fun little run or run that he can
have a few months with as a title. You know,
I was world champion, and the fans will go crazy
and it'll be a fun, feel good time, But it
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doesn't seem like they're ever going to build anything around him.
He's just a nice B plus a minus guy that
you might be able to make champion for a small
amount of time, but he's not a centerpiece. That's how
I feel that WWE feels about him. Okay, we could
be totally wrong, but so far, all the evidence points
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that way. In the way that he's been booked for
now several years, like we've had a large sample size
and this is just another opportunity. Even though Ellien and
I has been main eventing for now a long long
period of time. He's been the main events of Raw,
he's been the main events of SmackDown, but he hasn't
gotten that big win yet. And when we look at
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the most recent story this past Monday, we had Jay
us win. Okay, well, what would happened if you had
Ella Knight win? Again? If the story is to turn
Jay heel and it's seemingly where they're going, you don't
want to put Elle Knight in a position to get
booed against CM Punk, which in all likelihood probably would
have happened to have been a mixed reaction at best
(42:30):
for La Night. Cmpunk's just a bigger star than Ella
Knight is kind of indisputable. Fans want to see at
least see them Punk at or Run with the Belt,
just like they want to see La Night. So I
don't think they wanted to have the fans be forced
to decide to choose to boo l A Knight, And
I think if they had to choose, they probably would
side with Punk. Again, it depends on the city. I mean,
(42:52):
if they're in Chicago, forget it. Anywhere else it would
be a mixed reaction fifty to fifty, probably sixty to
forty leaning for Punk. But you don't want it to
the fans like that. It's easier to boo Jay Uso,
who had a just for all intents and purposes, a
kind of a bad title run. He has been booked
terribly since WrestleMania. He has had really bad promos. Jay
(43:15):
Uso has been kind of flat, his character has been
up and down. It's easier, much easier to boot jay
Uso than it is La Knight, So you can't put
La Night in that spot. Timing again is not right. Sorry, Night,
I'm sorry, you gotta do it when ideally there's a
heel champion, we just had one. But now my guess
(43:37):
is that seam Punk's gonna win it, but you could
have Jay. You could certainly have jay Uso win it.
And there's a rival we built in with jay Uso
in La Knight. But if they go with Punk winning it,
do you really want Punk versus Night? Do you really
want that? And also, I don't think Night's in the
equation because regardless of who wins it at my Saturday
Night Man event, whether it's Punk or that's Jay, you
(44:00):
know that their first few title defenses that the minimum
are not going to result in them dropping the belt,
especially coming off of a seth Rollins injury. That's going
to annoying a new champion. You can't have the title
keep bouncing, So I don't think that that's a good choice.
Could they do it? Sure? I mean, anything's possible in wrestling.
They can write the story, they can control the narrative.
But I think you're going to have La Knight for
(44:21):
me my money, not be involved in the title picture,
or at least be a real threat to the champion,
whoever it's going to be Jay or Punk until maybe
Rumble time and again you could look to the Royal
Rumble for La Knight possibly being one of the top
five picks. So yeah, let me, don't you guys think?
(44:43):
You can always email me mail bag at ww podcast
dot com with your thoughts on La and Night. And
if you're furious that he didn't win, but if you're
understanding why he didn't, or if you're just like man,
this is ridiculous. He should have won. This is why.
This is why I'm all open to that too, So
email us mail bag at podcast dot com. I'm interested
to hear what you guys think about that, So down
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a looad for me here on the raw review this
forty five minute review. I'll be back in a few
days with your mail bag, of course, and in between
we'll throw some retro shows in there, as we always do.
And maybe some other stuff, So head on over to
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