November 22, 2025 • 51 mins
What if the only people who can save you look more like monsters than the threats you fear? We dive into Claymore’s bleak, beautiful world to explore how a secret Organization forges half-human warriors, why townsfolk call them silver-eyed witches, and what it really costs to wield Yoki without losing yourself. Along the way, we pull apart the show’s stark palette and austere tone, showing how the lack of color is a feature—not a flaw—that keeps you on edge in a society stalked by shapeshifting Yoma.
We walk through Claire’s origin and the choice that sets her apart: taking Teresa’s flesh makes her one‑fourth Yoma, granting a wider margin of control and a terrifying upper limit she can touch without fully Awakening. That thread weaves into a larger conversation about identity, restraint, and revenge, with Raki’s presence anchoring Claire’s humanity. We also unpack the mechanics behind Yoki and Awakening, why early experiments with male warriors failed more often, and how the series uses fear to police both saviors and civilians. If you’ve ever compared Claymore to The Witcher, you’re not wrong—shared DNA runs through body-altering rites, social exile, and the moral math of becoming monstrous to slay monsters.
Then we get honest about adaptation. The anime’s infamous, anime‑original ending undercuts the looming threat of the Abyssal Ones and chops out critical journeys that the manga handles with patience and purpose. We lay out why the print story sings—better pacing, deeper stakes, true consequences—and why a modern, faithful reboot could thrive with today’s appetite for dark fantasy. Whether you loved the show’s brutal fights or bounced off its bleakness, there’s a richer narrative waiting on the page.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:01):
What up, gang?
Let's talk about Claymore.
Uh, this is one of thoseclassics that you know what, for
some reason I just never gotaround to actually watch it.
But Together Guys keep talkingabout it.
And uh, I heard that Claymoreand some others was getting
removed from Crunchyroll, buthere's the thing.
(00:22):
Uh me watching Crunchyrollthrough Prime Video, I can still
watch those anime that got axedper se.
So I don't know when it's gonnatake full effect yet, but yeah.
I just figured, you know what?
Since that happened, I might aswell go ahead and talk about it.
(00:43):
So let's just go ahead and getright into it.
Long ago, Yoma, thesethick-changing demons, took form
human form in to live in underthe skies of human town.
He they keep feeding on them insecret.
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And a secret nameless societyhas discovered a way to implant
Yoma plus into humans to createhybrids powerful enough to
defeat Yoma.
A hybrid standard abilitiesinclude faster healing, limited
effects, modification, theability to detect Yoma and other
hybrids, and overall enhancedphysical prowess, allowing them
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to wield massive claymores forwhich they are named claymores.
Get it?
For reasons not divulged, onlywomen are selected to be
claymores.
They are often chosen forimplantation after being the
sole survivors of a familyattacked by Yoma.
This ensures their loyalty andwillingness to endure the
painful hybridization process,and the society sends claymores
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to towns that can afford theirfees to kill Yoma.
The society is often stretchedand harsh.
The claymores who break therules risk being hunted down by
their fellow warriors, and thestory of Claymore falls humans
of a beautiful warrior Claire,who fights demons while
struggling to hold on to her ownhumanity.
Now, that was the premise.
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Let me just say, first of all,the opening theme song is
decent.
The artwork is fine for what itis back in the day.
Sometimes the characters havethis baby doll look on their
face, and I'm not complaining.
But compared to the anime oftoday, this one is definitely a
product of the time.
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Really, I wanna say it was alack of color for me.
Like, I mean, I guess that wasintentional, but at the same
time, it's like everything justlooks so it just feels like
everything's the same color.
You know, I don't know.
Like, maybe I'm tripping, butthat's just my impression, even
(02:58):
though to be fair, this is mewatching this anime in recent
times after the anime wasreleased in what?
Uh let me chat real quick.
2007?
Yeah, that sounds about right.
That sounds about right.
The action is satisfying, getsbloody and brutal at times, and
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I think plot-wise, anime such asClaymore paved the road for the
demon-slaying subdrama thatwe're getting nowadays.
You have this half human huntingdemons, except there's no comedy
to taste the cruel hard tones ofseries.
Like straight up there, likenone of that.
Oh happy hugging and learning,bullshit.
(03:45):
Nah, shit happens, people die,get over it.
I I was like, hey, damn, likeit's like, oh, we just go on to
the next bullshit.
Like, yeah, yeah, that happened,but don't worry about that.
Just you just gonna have tocover um covering that
buttercup, you know.
(04:08):
Before I go any further, uh,cookie I said, how you feeling
about Fleet Moore as of today?
SPEAKER_01 (04:15):
I got a couple things real quick.
Uh, first off, it's it's a veryinteresting premise that uh to
have onto it.
Um, so first thing is theyactually do explain why it is
that men are not chosen.
They did experiment with men.
Men was actually the first onesthey tried to.
Um, it is actually explained inthe anime and the manga, but
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it's only like really brief, soit's easy to skip over onto it.
However, it's there's a lot tosay into this one, but I'll try
to keep this beginning portionbrief into it.
Um, men play no role in theanime, but if you actually read
the manga, men play a huge rolein the story, actually.
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Both men and women do.
Um, the anime for people whohave read the manga, actually,
even a lot of people who havenot read the manga were they
felt deterred from it becausethey said they didn't like the
anime.
A lot of people felt the exactsame way that you felt, even as
far as like the color themes, isso just dark and gritty.
There's no little slight bit ofcomedy, it's just a straight
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dark anime, dark series, andstuff like that.
Actually, that and that's allintentional.
This series was made tospecifically push into the harsh
realities.
Yoma was actually um they themangaka wound up having a thing
about it where Yoma wasexplaining how it's young how
the Yomo was like the people whoare eating away at us in
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society, secretly eating away.
And we have people that rise upto protect us, but because that
they rebel out, in order forthem to be able to protect us,
they have to be kind ofmonstrous themselves, also.
The people are scared of theclaymores because they have
yokai in them, because they havethis incident, and the issue is
that with men and with thewomen, what can happen is that
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they have percentages thatthey're allowed to do.
Like almost every claymoreexcept Claire, Claire is unique,
she's the only one that isone-fourth Yoma, whereas every
every other claymore is halfbecause of how they did it.
Um I would go so far as to saythat Claymore is the Witcher,
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uh, but for women instead of formen, like how the Witcher
franchise is.
It's pretty much the sameprocess.
It's a magical thing where theyincorporate monster flesh into
their body, and the process isliterally very similar to the
Witcher franchise into it,almost not an exact copy, but
very close to it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:48):
Um, I was thinking it, but I didn't want to say it.
SPEAKER_01 (06:52):
No, no, that's that's actually on purpose.
Um, that is actually on purpose,it's made um in close proximity
together.
When Claymore was written, it'saround the same time that the
Witcher franchise was firstmade.
Um, as far as the video gamefranchise was first made into
it, so it's actually similar onpurpose.
Um, so no, no, that's that's anextra thing to mention.
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The dark gritty tones was onpurpose, is to make the series
feel irritable.
Um, some people are veryfamiliar with Junjo Inji.
Um, no, sorry, Junjo Iti, Pito.
My wife is a huge fan of thatmangaka.
He makes nothing but dark,creepy, disturbing anime and
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manga.
Everything is like you go frombody harmor to mental
disruption, all types ofanything dark and gritty is
Junjo does that.
Um, and so this one, withoutgoing that far, was kind of a
play onto that of taking onanime in a sense of just
straight dark tones, similar toGhost Michelle.
(07:55):
Um, Ghost Nachelle has no funnymoments to it, it is nothing but
dark sci-fi fantasy of justtalking about the harsh, cruel
reality of things.
The the color theme isspecifically gray and dark tone
in order to highlight the factthat it's supposed to feel
irritable.
You're supposed to feel a bituncomfortable on edge because
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every character is on edge.
All the townspeople areconstantly afraid because like
skinwalkers per se.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
That's crazy that you're saying that because I'm
thinking uh ghosts in the show.
Now that I think about it, likenow that you bring that up, like
crazy thing is, like, for themost part, I didn't really think
about it, but wow, like uhKusanagi, she's like the only
one that's like have like colorfor the most part.
I mean, there's there's there'sa robots too, but I'm just
(08:45):
saying, like, other than that,like most of the carriers, like
and uh it's like they just it'sbear, but they they just don't
really stand out that much.
SPEAKER_01 (08:55):
And they're not supposed to.
This is a gray world.
There's not like there's no popsof color here because everyone's
nervous.
The thing about this, anybodycould be a yokai because these
yokai pretty much likeskinwalkers, they can hide out
as anything.
There's people where imagine yougo to you take your child to
because you got to work, youtake your child to um this
babysitter.
You don't realize that thebabysitter is a yokai and they
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eat your baby, or you take yourchild and then all of a sudden
your child that child wasplaying in the backyard, a yo a
yoma ate them and then disguisedthemselves as that child.
The babysitter didn't know, soyou go back, you go and you pick
up your child and you go backhome and you say, home and make
a dinner today, and then boom,find out your child's a yoma,
and they they've now attackedyou and killed Junior and your
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family.
SPEAKER_00 (09:39):
Did you mention how claymores are known to be uh
silver eye witches?
SPEAKER_01 (09:45):
Because no, no, that's part that's part of the
um process.
Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00 (09:50):
No, but I was just thinking like um, because I know
you're talking about thewitcher, and I'm thinking like
now that I think about it, theycall claymore silver eye
witches, so that kind of I mean,but then again, witcher don't
witches have like golden eyes,but then again, with the
claymores, when they're about toawaken and whatnot, then they
have the golden eyes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:10):
Golden, their eyes become more monstrous, and
that's why it becomes scary.
That's why people are terrifiedof them as well.
So, yeah, that's also the reasonwhy they don't do male um
claymores anymore either, isbecause the issue is that when
you do this process, you'reincorporating the Yoma DNA into
them.
These that that's why people areterrified of them because
(10:31):
they're like, you're willing togo through this to make yourself
a monster.
And a lot of these claymores tryto defend themselves, like, I'm
not a monster, I'm not amonster.
No, you realize you are amonster, like you you really are
is the problem, and that's whereit's like the biggest grimace
into this.
Like, are you willing to becomethe demon to to save everyone?
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You know, sacrifice yourself forthe better for the betterment of
everyone else, but alsounderstanding that risk that you
could become full-fledgedmonster, also, because the more
that the claymores use the yomapowers, the more they lose their
psyche, their brain startsbecoming more encompassed by the
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yoma DNA, it starts taking themover more, so they they only
have a limited time.
They're specifically told, justlike with Witchers, the Witchers
are told that once you gothrough this Witcher process,
your lifespan is you may thinkit's extended, but
realistically, you're going todie.
And even if you don't die fromgoing out fighting, you'll die
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because this process willdeteriorate and destroy your
mind and destroy your body.
Like that's just the issue withthat.
You're you're going to die ahorrendous death.
SPEAKER_00 (11:40):
That is the same issue that these claymores go
through, is that the edgerunner.
SPEAKER_01 (11:47):
Yes.
So that's the issue is thatyou're either going to die in
battle or you're going to die byturning into a Yoma.
And when you turn into one, thenum a fellow Claymore is going to
have to kill you.
And the thing that they also ismentioned more in the manga, but
not in the anime, is that theClaymores keep their ranks.
Uh, not the rate, they're ableto keep their numbers because
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whenever a claymore dies, theytake someone and make them a
claymore.
Not all those claymores arewilling.
A good portion of them are notwilling.
Some of the higher ranking ones,because they have higher
determination, they have higherwillpower, that's what makes
them stronger, but they stillneed to have some claymores.
Remember, there's there's aranking system of a hundred.
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Every single time.
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
And we decided to give you a spot in our um
organization.
But but but I don't want tolike, well, we're not giving you
a choice.
We'll break someone with usmarried.
SPEAKER_01 (12:45):
So a lot of a lot of people did not, a lot of these
women did not have options, theywere forcibly taken.
Just like uh what uh um thing,um, Black Widow from Marvel.
It's the same thing.
A lot of these girls were youknow they would take
specifically orphan children,um, orphan little girls, and
take them.
So what they found is thatbecause men are because men in
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this world are very different,they're more emotional than a
lot of women are.
SPEAKER_00 (13:13):
There was something in my note that I wanted to
mention now that you got on tothe point.
I like how they said that uh thething about uh Yoma and Claymore
is having uh demonic energycalled Yoki and whatnot, they
can awaken, becoming awakenedbeings.
And the act of awakening islikened to the feeling of sexual
climax.
(13:34):
So while both male and femalescan exist in the past, only
women were successful in doingthat uh to resist um becoming
awakened while males are moreinclined to awaken.
So that's why they stopped doingmale play more.
SPEAKER_01 (13:51):
Yep, that's exactly why.
That's because men would get soincorporated by the power, get
incorporated by the feeling ofit, and that's what became a big
issue.
And so one of the biggest thingsI also even I would highly
mention is this one.
I I hate and saying it, I lovethe animation style of the
anime, but I would literally saydon't watch the anime, just read
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the manga.
And I realize in some of ourreviews, I'm saying that a
little bit more now, which is abit disturbing, but it's the
honest truth into this.
This is one that I would notrecommend the anime.
SPEAKER_00 (14:24):
No, no, no.
You know what, that is okaybecause it's like what I keep
telling people on these reviews.
Sometimes when you're not onthem, but I keep telling people
that look, the way I see it,anime adaptations, anything
that's an adaptation, I considera companion to the source
material.
So just like with these reviews,it's like us saying that, hey
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yo, like you can hear us talkabout all you want to, but we're
just gonna highly recommend youuh read the source material or
whatever the source material isto see for yourself.
So it's like the same thing.
It's like even like I mean, Istill like the anime for what it
is, but that's kind of thepoint.
(15:06):
It's supposed to encourage youto read the manga.
SPEAKER_01 (15:09):
Ideally, but the problem is that there's also a
lot of story um contest thatgets cut out, like a good bit of
story uh feels weird, like uhthe last arc of the anime where
they finally go up against theum against the girl that wound
up becoming the awakened beastthat Claire's been trying to go
after.
SPEAKER_00 (15:27):
Now you know those two last two episodes were anime
exclusive, right?
SPEAKER_01 (15:30):
Yes, that's what I mean.
And so all of that stuff feltweird, and you're like, wait,
this doesn't make sense.
This is a that's not somethingjust that felt off to the story,
and that's that's what I meanabout that.
Even the journey for themgetting there, there is actually
a more to the story about howthey journeyed to get to the
north, but they cut that andmade it almost like they fast
traveled type thing.
(15:51):
But it's like, why would youthere's so much that's cut from
it that actually is notnecessarily like important to
the plot per se, but it doeshelp the the pacing of the
story.
It feels like it makes sense, itfeels like you're really
journeying along with Claire andthe other Claymores and getting
things through.
SPEAKER_00 (16:09):
So it's like that's the anime wasn't catching fire,
so we're gonna have to like wrapit up.
SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
Pretty much, and that and that's what wound up
happening is that it never gotrenewed for a second season.
They never they never didanything for it because people
were upset, they didn't like howit how things went, and then
boom, it just fell off the faceof the earth per se.
And so it's like there's a bunchof people who just straight up
is like, nah, the anime justthey really kind of ruined it.
Some people say the anime ruinedit, some people say, well,
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because it became an anime, iswhy some people actually even
decided to read the manga, so itstill did work in some form of
fashion.
So the manga did get a chance tofinish, but the anime just cut
off on a horrible ending that'snot canon, and a lot of people
think that dang, this just had aterrible ending, and it's like
that's not yeah, the anime hadterrible ending, but not the
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story itself, the actual storywas significantly better, and
it's it's terrible, it'sterrible to have to say into
that aspect because even when Iwas watching it, the and to me,
the animation is beautiful, thestory felt beautiful as I was
going through, minus there wassome pacing issues that I didn't
realize was anime only pacingissues, and it's just like okay,
(17:30):
like I feel I feel bad about it,like I feel bad in even having
to put this out in review.
But you know, we're we're honeston our opinions on things, we're
gonna give y'all the truth aboutit.
So it's like I want to give highpraises into it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:42):
I still do appreciate the anime, but I hate
that the anime butchered themanga, and so it's like that
reminds me, I'm gonna reviewDead in Wonderland tomorrow.
SPEAKER_01 (17:55):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (17:58):
That was like the perfect example of how fucking
Darial.
Like so much information andshit before and after where the
anime picked up, where I'm likeI I just don't yeah, I just kind
(18:22):
of wish for a reboot, honestly.
SPEAKER_01 (18:25):
True.
Now I will say some people arenervous into this aspect because
Claymore, if you're gonna rebootit, you have to be faithful to
the manga for it to really pickup well.
But the thing about it is isbecause of the fact that the
taste that the anime has alreadygiven, there's a lot of studios
that's not willing to re to do aredux on Claymore.
They're not actually that noone's gonna try to pick up a
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season two because of theending, like they'll have to do
the same thing they've done toso many other manga, but so many
other animes like Blue Exorcistand stuff, where and Demon Lore
retry where the season two likerewinds back time and just says,
Oh, pretty much forget aboutwhat you what you saw in season
one.
This is the redo for it, and nowwe're just gonna continue on
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from this one.
But it's been years, it's it'sbeen years, almost 20 years now.
There's no way to do that, itwould have to pick up where it
left off at, and it's not gonnareally work out that well.
SPEAKER_00 (19:22):
Well, hold on, to be fair, like I think the own well,
the main example nowadays thatwas like, all right, you know
what, you get a pass, I wouldsay blue exorcist, because keep
in mind it was years since umthe first season, and we're
thinking like, okay, they kindof rushed towards the end.
(19:42):
Then they came out with seasontwo, season two was all right,
season three came out, seasonthree was alright.
Season four, ooh, okay, nowwe're on to something.
And season four got me thinkingthat okay, now I see why y'all
did what y'all did in season onebecause y'all weren't sure if it
was gonna catch fire, but nowthat y'all kind of redone it and
y'all acting like, okay, let'spretend those last couple
(20:05):
episodes in season one doesn'tcount.
That way you kind of like redoit, and now that it's getting
more traction and whatnot, like,okay, cool, cool, cool.
So I'm like, okay, good on blueacts.
Same thing with Black Butler nowthat we're thinking about we
just did a review.
Oh, yeah, but yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:23):
Yeah, I was I didn't get a chance to be on get a
chance to run to that one.
Yeah, my bad on that.
I got I got sick, but um, yeah,kind of the same thing you're
right, because yeah, with seasontwo, black butler wound up not
being correct.
But here's the thing about it,though.
That's why I mentioned as far ashow many years it's been with
Blue Exorcist.
Yeah, we had years, we had likeI think it was like three or
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four years or something betweenthat.
Like I said, this is almost 20years at this point, it's
entirely too far gone for that.
It would have to be a completeremake starting from scratch
from episode one.
SPEAKER_00 (20:58):
I mean, well, okay, I don't know if it's like the
best example, but we did reviewPanny and Stalking 2.
That shit came out nowhere after20 years.
SPEAKER_01 (21:07):
Was that a 20-year gap?
I thought that was only 10, butthat was also a straight
continuation, too.
SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
No, no, no.
Let me see.
Let me check, let me check.
Because I swear to God, it feltlike 20 for me, but it might be
right.
SPEAKER_01 (21:23):
Yeah, I remember Penny Stalker came out like
after playing brothers.
SPEAKER_00 (21:28):
Yeah, so yeah, it was it was 15 years, so okay,
15.
It was halfway down.
Okay, technically, I mean, itgives it could go either way,
certainly.
SPEAKER_01 (21:42):
Yeah, but plus also they were able instead of like
redoing it, they just picked upwhere it left off at.
And plus, people like pennystalking for what it was, like
there was it, they didn't haveto like redo anything.
Now, granted, we did review anduh in our review into it, we did
say they didn't necessarilychange the story, it just
changed the approach of howthings went in the continuation.
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They didn't like say, okay,well, forget what happened to
season one.
Yeah, they they referencedseason one quite a few times,
making sure we we had a bunch ofcallbacks to those episodes and
continued some of those stories.
But for Claymore, because itwould have to say that those
last few episodes that you watchdon't exist or that they don't
count, and we're just gonnare-pick up from right here after
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it has been how many years intoit?
That's why I'm just saying, asfar as about the pickup, like I
know there's a whole big threaddiscussion onto it on Reddit and
Core.
It's it's a whole big thing intoit.
Some people's like it may work,some people's like it may not,
it's not really gonna work.
Um, I'm kind of on the people inthe face of people, like, yeah,
I do agree that it's kind oflate to make it not work.
If you're going to do it, itwould just be best to start from
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scratch.
But at the same time, are youwilling to do so?
Because you're now having totake a chance where in this
series, in this day and age,where your the dark and gritty
story would fit.
My hero academia, Demon Slayer.
Like, even though they have somecomedy moments into it, we still
have dark gritty anime thatpeople do enjoy watching.
(23:08):
Um, dark grit storylines, that'sfine, but there has to be kind
of a balance into it.
You would still have to make alittle bit of change into it as
well, too.
And so it's like I don't know,it would be best to stay to the
source material, but maybe somepeople might not appreciate that
(23:28):
for a second.
But like you say, it can goeither way, but I mean it's just
it's too many great areas, andbecause of that, is why it's
just left as a classic.
Um, I'm still happy that itstill does get a classic uh
classic seal to it.
Like people do consider it that,um, even if it wasn't like the
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most well enjoyed or most wellpicked up into it.
It's definitely not gonna be onDragon Ball Z Bleach One Piece.
It's not gonna be on one ofthose scales, unfortunately, at
all.
But it will still have a highranking into it of like a good
classic anime itself.
SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
If we're gonna stick to the demon slaying jump
subgenre, like I said, I wouldsay that damn like I would say
ironically, even though we'retalking about silver eye
witches, at this point, as faras like classics and demon
slaying, I would say it's like,for me personally, it's like
silver metal compared toanyasha.
(24:30):
Because that was the one thatreally uh started it all when it
comes to the demon slay.
I mean, there might have beenolder examples, but that was
like the main one where it waslike long-running anyasha in the
game, just going around killingall Naroku demons and whatnot.
Like, that was the main one thatlike see anyasha for me is like
dot hat compared to SAR.
(24:52):
Like, really, I want to say.hatstarted all when it came to the
MMO anime craze, like, but dot.
SPEAKER_01 (25:00):
There's always gonna be older anime, like some of the
80s animes that do touch baseonto the 80s anime movies.
They didn't do series, they didmovies.
But so yeah, I do fully agreewith you on that.
As far as when it came to anime,yeah, Inuyasha, dot hat, those
would take the medal of kind ofnot just necessarily start
starting the anime seriesfranchise of it, but also as
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getting the popularity of it.
So, most definitely.
SPEAKER_00 (25:26):
It's like you just had to be there.
SPEAKER_01 (25:30):
I mean, on bright news, thanks to the internet
archive, you have an opportunityof still kind of watching it,
you just don't look at it fromthe eyes of now, you have to be
open to what the eyes of thenwas.
SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
And that's how I'm gonna see some things kind of
different, and that's theapproach I took with Claymore to
where I'm like, okay, to befair, it's been a while since
Claymore's been outside.
I think okay, no matter how oldit looks, is like, all right,
fine, the look of it gets apass, but I just need to know if
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it's a good story.
And I do like the way uh, evenin the anime, it kind of did
pace evenly to where it's notjust a whole bunch of bullshit
all uh all at once.
See, it started off simply aslike this simple story.
So you have Claire and most, andlike most Claymore, she's like
this stoic demon slayer lady,and he helps kill these Yoma and
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this boy Rocky, who by the way Iimmediately recognized that
voice after uh Todd Hapricorn,who did Naga Sue Me from My
Brides and Mermaid, he was notsue from Fairy Tale, um, he was
a bunch of notable characters,but um long time money.
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Yeah, like he did a lot of shit,but um this boy, his family got
killed by Yoma, and he decidedto go tag along with Claire.
And once you get later on intothe story, you realize that
there's a reason why she waslike, I mean, at first she was
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like disantuned, but I don'tknow, it's almost like uh Rocky
reminded Claire of herself whenTeresa was not at least okay, at
least it wasn't as bad as Teresato where and I'm I'm trying to
uh get to my point, but oh youthink you know there's this uh
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simple story where she's goingaround playing demons but also
trying to wrestle with her ownphysiology.
But you have this boy who's likeso friendly towards her, and
she's like kind he's like kindof reminding her to hang on to
her humanity, and I liked it inthe simple sense of that, but
then you find out that oh, it'smore like revenge because
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Priscilla killed Teresa, theClaymore that killed the Yoma
that killed Claire's family.
But uh when uh Claire at firstshe didn't she was like kind of
traumatized, you know, she waslike uh held and hostage by a
Yoma, and she couldn't speak atfirst, but um she was like keep
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getting close to Teresa and waslike trying to thank her and
whatnot.
And then Teresa was straight upkick her in the face, trying to
like get the fuck away from thetrip.
Damn.
Uh but eventually Claire um kindof melted her heart a little
bit.
Just like, ah well, all right,fine.
So you keep following me around.
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All right, you can come alongwith me and just but uh you
know, bandits kept fucking withhim, and when Claire got
kidnapped, and Teresa was like,hey, you know what?
Fuck it, like just fuck it.
Like, and then you know, theclaymore tried to go after her,
and they I don't know if theylike this Claire's slide, but
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like it was almost like she waslike the number one girl at the
time, so I'm like, good luckkilling her.
Yeah, good luck killing her.
SPEAKER_01 (29:18):
Teresa Teresa was number one.
They tried to get her for thefact that she was um harboring
that she was harboring Claire,and it's like it that was
against the rules to be able todo so.
When you choose to become this,you're not allowed to be your
own person.
Yeah, it was like you're notallowed to be your own person at
all.
So she technically individualityin it, agency over your life.
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Pretty much, yeah.
Like, because when you're partof the program, you have when
you're part of the this group,you your life is signed over to
them, you're not allowed to doanything for yourself, but yeah,
Teresa was like, I'm number one,like I am the strongest.
None of you bitches can doanything to me, and yeah, and
Priscilla, you know, quicklybeing young and Rising her way
up the ranks, you know, shereally thought that she was
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about that shit.
Keep getting her ass all aboutTeresa too.
SPEAKER_00 (30:07):
I like how Priscilla was like the apologetic type at
first, but she was like low-keydanger, especially when you see
that alleyway, you see all thosedifferent Yoma just like
littered on the ground, likecorpses and shit.
I'm like, oh shit.
Like, okay.
But um, then next thing youknow, she gets awakened, she
ends up killing Teresa, and shekills just about everybody
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except Claire, and she was like,eh, I ain't gonna fuck with you.
And then next thing you know,Claire gets some uh Teresa's
quest uh trying to get theClaire more treatment, and
that's how she gets her start.
Um Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
And I like how so we have that point in mentioning
there is that Teresa, like Imentioned before, Claire is the
only is the most unique one,while everyone else is half,
she's one-fourth, becauseinstead of getting a Yoma, she
could took Teresa's DNA andincorporated into her.
Um, that does give Claire an ahome field advantage because,
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like I mentioned before, themore that they use their Yoma
powers, it starts incorporatingtheir mind more.
So they only have a limitedamount of time that they can do
so.
But with her being one-fourth,she has more humanity control
over it.
So she's not only able to useher yoma powers more often and
stuff, she can actually pushherself to further limits,
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limits that would make a regularclaymore immediately turn into
an awakened beast.
She's able to awake to get thepowers of an awakened beast
while still maintaining herhumanity.
SPEAKER_00 (31:41):
And I like how, despite all that, he's number
47, and the other claymore islike, oh, what the fuck?
She's like the weakest one.
SPEAKER_01 (31:52):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Because it's like kind of madeher underdog in a way.
Yeah, I think I said 100, but itwas 50.
They only have like 50 at atime, but yeah, um, she is,
she's literally one of theweakest that there is, but she
quickly moves up, and then theythey do recategorize her later
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on.
Um, she winds up making like top10.
She's still not number one bythe end of the manga.
Like she's she's still notnecessarily was number one.
It was just, but she still wasranking high, especially because
they haven't though she couldn'tum got to a number four.
SPEAKER_00 (32:28):
Like, she couldn't get the top ten.
SPEAKER_01 (32:31):
Yeah, I know.
All she got was top ten, thatwas about it.
Um, but that's also one of thethings into the manga, too.
So, like the biggest the biggesthiccup that happened into this
anime was the final was theending of it, where cool Claire
and the group finally managed totake down um Priscilla.
But the thing about it is thateven in the anime, they hype on
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more to the fact that there'sthree awakened, like awakened
beast kings.
I don't remember exactly whatthey're called, but they hunt
down the other awakened beasts.
SPEAKER_00 (33:01):
But Priscilla was actually known before Creatures
of the Abyss.
I I had to look it up honestly.
I was gonna ask you, like, hey,what do they call them again?
Uh let me look it up before weactually do this here.
SPEAKER_01 (33:13):
See, yeah, the creatures of the abyss, and
there's three of them.
They're like the king awakenedbeasts that no matter what could
never have been taken down.
However, they're different.
SPEAKER_00 (33:23):
Each of them are the number one at a certain point.
Yep.
Like uh Rico was the youngestnumber one in history.
SPEAKER_01 (33:32):
Yeah, and it was it was it one or two of them that
were male?
I think it was one of them thatwas a male.
SPEAKER_00 (33:36):
Easley was definitely one of them.
I don't know about the thirdone, I forgot it was the third
one was.
SPEAKER_01 (33:42):
But that's one of the things about it is that the
way the anime it sends up islike we talk about these these
three kings that's there, butthen we stop at Prisc, we stop
at Priscilla, and then like, oh,that's the end of the series.
And it's like, wait, what?
No, there's literally whatPriscilla was the right hand man
for one of them.
(34:02):
Like, see that you you don't endthe series being like, oh, we
gotta take down the kings.
Oh, we took down the vicecaptain, and that's now the end
of the series.
What the fuck?
That doesn't make sense.
I don't like that.
Wait, wait a second.
It doesn't it doesn't matter,and then the way they ended the
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the way they ended the animetoo, because it was not it was
one of those moments who like,oh, it took this much to be able
to take her down.
We're definitely not ready to beable to take down one of the one
of the kings of the abyss yet.
So we know we're gonna need somemore power, we're gonna need to
get stronger and stuff.
It's like okay, and then theyleave, and that's it.
And I'm like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_00 (34:43):
Oddly enough, it kind of made me want to review
Black Clover because I wasgetting that same vibe where you
know how uh eventually the blackbulls gotta go up against those
devils, and I'm like, it kind ofgave me that same aura vibe when
it came to Easley.
It's like, okay, so you thinkyou tough shit by taking down a
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couple awakened beings, like,oh, check this out.
There are motherfuckers that islike even stronger than them.
It's it's like how we felt whenwe watched Yu Yahka still and
the fucking um brothers wereonly B-level demons.
I'm like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_01 (35:22):
Yeah, he's sitting sitting here like talking about
this, like, oh my goodness.
I couldn't get over that.
This dude was swore he was gonnadie.
He was like, Oh, Tagoro's gonnabeat Yusuke.
This is it.
This is the end of everything.
Nigga has at the end ofeverything, but you say this is
the higher ranking.
That's not the end ofeverything.
Them other demons will tell metake him out like it's nothing.
What are you talking about?
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It doesn't make sense.
It was I don't know.
It felt like it they uh theyweren't sure.
It felt like uh he was not sureif he was gonna continue the
series at the girl brothers, butthen was like, you know what?
I'm gonna throw a curveball.
It's gonna curve ball myselftoo.
He was only B-ranked.
I'm like, man, what the hell?
(36:05):
But yeah, but it's just one ofthose ones, like imagine that.
Imagine the Uhawk show ended atthe Dart tournament.
They said he was only B-ranked.
What?
Yeah, this one.
SPEAKER_00 (36:14):
Like, hey bro, like, congratulations on winning the
tournament.
What if I told you that he'ssmall fit compared to what you
got to deal with after that?
SPEAKER_01 (36:24):
Yeah, and then it's just like, oh, okay, and then
they're like, well, we need toget stronger into the series.
What?
Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_02 (36:32):
Why are you in the series?
SPEAKER_01 (36:34):
Oh, well, you might as well read the manga.
Have a little note onto it.
Story continues in the manga.
The animation studio is toocheap to continue.
SPEAKER_00 (36:48):
Hey, hold on.
Who was the studio that did thisanyway?
So I'm curious now.
Uh Madhouse.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
They probably had a whole lot tosay going on.
They were like, eh, you know, wegot other things going on.
Hold on.
Let me check on what they did in2007.
Oh.
Well, hold on.
Between 2007 and 2010.
Oh, don't mind me.
I'm just looking.
SPEAKER_01 (37:10):
You're looking.
Go ahead.
So.
See, the manka ended in 2014.
SPEAKER_00 (37:20):
Oh God.
Okay, okay.
They did Catherine Sins.
I'm just doing a coupleexamples.
I'm not doing all of them.
Catherine Sins, Chaos Head,Needless, Fucking High School
Dead, Hunter Hunter, Patoom.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what?
They had so much shit on theplate.
(37:41):
I'm not even blame them.
You regularly imagine highschool, no game, no wife all
that other shit.
Yeah, like they had a lot ofshit going on anywhere.
Oh, hold on.
That's crazy.
You know what's crazy?
We're gonna do Parasite andDeath Parade this month.
Madhouse did those too.
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Crazy.
I swear to God, they did 91Days.
I'm like, uh, that's notcoincidence anymore.
Because 91 Days was the onlyother okay, they didn't.
Okay, cool.
But yeah, like three anime thatgot taken off a crunch roll was
shit from Madhouse.
That's crazy.
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Or supposedly.
But yeah.
That's crazy.
What else about Claymore?
Nah, I don't I don't I can'tthink of anything right now.
I thought I thought it waspretty good.
Like, I for what it is, Ithought it was pretty good.
SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
To be honest, I there was not much to have in
notes for this one because it'sincomplete.
Like we've we've had this happenbefore.
Like we could rant, but there'sno point in it.
Like, it's just one of thoseones that like straight up, this
is an incomplete series, and ushaving to review it like 17
years later, like almost 20years later, is one of those
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ones of like no, not set 2025reviewing.
So, no, it's uh 18 years, soit's just like we're literally
sitting here reviewing whatshould have been finished.
They it had I feel like they'vehad time to be able to do so,
but I understand they droppedit.
The DVD sales did not go well.
Um, a lot of people would notreally want to pick up a lot of
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people not tuning into it asmuch, so they decided to go
ahead and just drop it and youknow, just not pick it up again.
It would be nice if we have anopportunity.
Um, I just found out that uhanime series that me and my wife
are very interested in, DoryHidoro, was just announced
finally season two after Ohyeah, um guy with uh lizard head
(39:53):
all that, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:54):
And the month of Molly, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, I
got you.
SPEAKER_01 (39:58):
Yeah, so season two was just announced onto that
one.
It has been years.
Me and my wife thought they wasjust done and they weren't gonna
do anything.
Um, I mean, it still hopesbecause hell bleach had a long
ass gap between when it finallyreleased out Thousand Year Blood
War Arc.
So um, and then the manga, likeThousand Year Blood War Arc had
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ended like years ago, and nowKubo is trying to do is trying
to do the Hell Arc um in themanga series now doing
continuation.
So that I mean there's stillhope per se.
There is still kind of hope.
So it's like maybe Claymore mayget a pickup again.
Maybe we might uh maybe theymight just pick up and just say
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forget those last three episodesand then kind of restart, and
then like pick up where themanga was at.
Maybe they start over.
We'll see.
SPEAKER_00 (40:50):
There's another example that's a a recent
example that one that wedefinitely gonna read.
We were gonna do it at somepoint, but with the recent news
coming out, I'm kind of gladthat we didn't do it yet.
Ronin Warriors.
That shit came out in the 90s.
A sequel is coming out nextyear.
SPEAKER_01 (41:07):
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, like age.
You know, I was looking upsomething, I was looking up
longest running anime.
I don't know why we're talking,I was just very curious.
And you know, One Piece isnumber 16.
SPEAKER_00 (41:19):
My bad.
It was like late 80s, my bad.
It was like as far as Japan, itwas like April 1988, but you
know, it didn't come to us untilthe 90s.
Yeah, but that was like one ofmy first, to be honest with you.
That was like the maleequivalent of uh I mean, aside
from Sailor, uh Ronin Warriorslike the male equivalent of
(41:43):
Sailor Moon for me.
SPEAKER_01 (41:44):
Sailor Moon.
That's exactly what it is.
It's while Sailor Moon focusedon the magical girl, Ronin
Warriors got the opportunity ofhaving not Sentai because we
already had so many SentaiWarriors, but magical male.
It was just an opportunity toreally kind of push through with
(42:05):
that.
So yeah, no.
Um, especially one thing youdon't realize too.
Dragon Ball, if it most of you,if y'all don't realize Dragon
Ball and Dragon Ball Z are 70sanime.
We didn't get in America untilthe 90s.
SPEAKER_00 (42:19):
And really, those were the ones, like that's why I
say Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z,Sailor Moon, Yu Yu Haga Show,
Mobile Su Gunham, all of them.
Uh, they talking about all thebig sis of the 90s.
No, no, no, no.
Like, okay, you can call themthat if you want to, but I dare
say these are the forerunners.
These are the ones where, like,if you were there at the right
(42:40):
time during the golden age ofToonami, these are the ones
where I'm like, okay, this willum probably uh get you in the
door.
SPEAKER_01 (42:50):
So, yeah, definitely.
I wish I could, I really wish Icould put Claymore on that list.
Um, but it is just one of thoseones that if you enjoyed the
anime, fantastic.
I definitely enjoyed the anime.
If you are looking for an animerecommendation, uh, I just
personally I cannot recommendit.
Um, I would still give it arating.
(43:11):
I forgive if I'm jumping onrating time, but um I would
definitely give it a rating of a6.57.
Um again, it's just one of thoseones that I have to be.
Okay, okay, decent.
Um I'm not even gonna sayenjoyable to watch.
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You have to really know thestory.
SPEAKER_00 (43:34):
Hold on, since he kind of dove into the manga,
anyways.
Okay, um, how about ratingclaymore as a whole?
Because at this point, we'reprobably not gonna revisit the
manga or anything like that,anyways.
I'm like, you might as well ratethe unless they do decide to
bring it back.
SPEAKER_01 (43:52):
Yeah, now if I rate it all together as a story into
it, oh no, the story is anabsolute nine.
Uh the story is absolute ninebased on manga-wise.
Again, the pacing in the mangais fantastic.
Um, it doesn't feel over likeI'm not gonna say nothing,
nothing's perfect.
You're gonna have like littlemoments that you're kind of
upset that a chapter cut off ata point, but the series is
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completely now.
You can binge the manganowadays.
You're not waiting the next weekor two weeks for the next
chapter.
Just go ahead, you can binge itall now, and it's gonna feel a
wonderful pacing to it.
Um, as well as also the artstyle into it without you having
to worry about the colors.
It's the same art style.
Madhouse did a fantastic jobdoing almost a 1v1 from the
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manga to the anime as far as thehow the characters look.
The what you mentioned as far ashim having like a doll face type
of thing is actually important.
That's Claire.
Claire specifically has that,she has that face.
That was something thatapparently like was a thing for
her.
SPEAKER_00 (44:49):
Was that made a reference to that one time like
in the anime today?
Like they baby doll at one time.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember that.
SPEAKER_01 (44:57):
I'm like, confused, like she had a unnatural, she
had a very natural slashunnatural beauty to her.
Like, there's some people that'sjust like naturally beautiful,
you just can't understand it.
Like, there's a um not it's notRosie O'Donnell.
I don't know why I'm thinkingher, but there's an actress
that's well known for having bigeyes, and she even talked about
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stories to that too, where shesays unfortunately she's had
some weird past relationshipswhere some of the guys that she
dated just they didn't like hereyes.
They said her eyes were just toobig, and it just felt weird.
But that's just I think so.
And so that but that's the thingabout that's the thing for
Claire.
Claire has naturally I mean, Idon't mind.
SPEAKER_00 (45:39):
I'm just like I just hear the criticism.
I'm an April, like uh, I mean,he's fine, he's fine with which
he is.
Like, I'm I'm not complaining.
And everyone's got their ownunique qualities.
I'm gonna watch TV too.
SPEAKER_01 (45:53):
And that's one of the things about Claire too, is
the fact that while the othersilver-eyed witches, the other
Claymores, you can kind of seeinto it for her, it's just like
you can see from a distance.
Oh, that's a silver-eyed witchcoming type thing.
Like it because her eyes arebig, and that's a thing for it.
And because her eyes are big,while everyone else is always
expressionless, even whenthey're about to die, they tend
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to show almost next to noexpression.
Everyone is like bland facingClaire does not, she she can't,
she still has she has more thanhalf of her humanity because
part of the humanity that theclaymores lose is some of their
emotions as well, too.
But again, with Claire beingone-fourth um Yoma, but actually
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still being three parts withhuman, she's still able to wear
emotions on her face, she can'thide it, she's able to actually
show it, and so it makes her sounique from the other claymores.
So that whole like thatstylization again was on
purpose.
It allows us to be able tofollow her through of how things
are.
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But that that would be from meonto that one.
SPEAKER_00 (47:15):
No, I feel I feel I like that.
I like that.
See, yeah, I didn't know.
I mean, I wasn't sure if I wasgonna read them all out.
I I don't know.
I just want to hear your opinionon it.
Ooh, excuse me, that's just butuh if I were to give it a
rating, the characters wereokay.
(47:39):
The artwork since okay.
You sold me on.
Well, I I kind of knew it wasintentional anyways, but some of
the details I didn't know wasintentional.
So I'm like, okay, okay, I'llgive a point for that.
The music was okay.
I did like some of the theme,like some of the emotional tones
and whatnot.
I like how they kind of kept itserious about the whole fucking
(48:00):
thing.
Uh, no jokes, nothing to kind ofsmooth over the fact that some
important character orunimportant character died.
Oh, that's what's pretty good,like I said.
I still want to give it like agood 7.5, maybe an eight.
SPEAKER_01 (48:20):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (48:21):
The main thing is, the main thing is, like you
said, if it was more faithful tothe manga and ran longer, my
score would probably have beenhigher.
SPEAKER_01 (48:34):
Almost that mine would most definitely be higher
if it did.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (48:38):
But it was it was incomplete, and it was like they
had to just make shit up at thelast minute.
So I'm like, I can't give youthe 10.
I can't, I can't even give youthe nine.
But at max eight on a good day,an eight.
That's all I got.
That's fair.
Uh yeah, you know, let's goahead and wrap this up because
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we got to uh thank you for beingon the show as always.
Uh to the listeners, thank youfor listening to us again.
Remember that great things arecoming to stay nerdy.
Go ahead and have yourself agood morning, good afternoon,
good evening, good night, butultimately take it easy.
And remember, stay nerdy.
What up, gang?
Let's talk about Claymore.
Uh, this is one of thoseclassics that you know what, for
some reason I just never gotaround to actually watch it.
But Together Guys keep talkingabout it.
And uh, I heard that Claymoreand some others was getting
removed from Crunchyroll, buthere's the thing.
(00:22):
Uh me watching Crunchyrollthrough Prime Video, I can still
watch those anime that got axedper se.
So I don't know when it's gonnatake full effect yet, but yeah.
I just figured, you know what?
Since that happened, I might aswell go ahead and talk about it.
(00:43):
So let's just go ahead and getright into it.
Long ago, Yoma, thesethick-changing demons, took form
human form in to live in underthe skies of human town.
He they keep feeding on them insecret.
(01:04):
And a secret nameless societyhas discovered a way to implant
Yoma plus into humans to createhybrids powerful enough to
defeat Yoma.
A hybrid standard abilitiesinclude faster healing, limited
effects, modification, theability to detect Yoma and other
hybrids, and overall enhancedphysical prowess, allowing them
(01:28):
to wield massive claymores forwhich they are named claymores.
Get it?
For reasons not divulged, onlywomen are selected to be
claymores.
They are often chosen forimplantation after being the
sole survivors of a familyattacked by Yoma.
This ensures their loyalty andwillingness to endure the
painful hybridization process,and the society sends claymores
(01:53):
to towns that can afford theirfees to kill Yoma.
The society is often stretchedand harsh.
The claymores who break therules risk being hunted down by
their fellow warriors, and thestory of Claymore falls humans
of a beautiful warrior Claire,who fights demons while
struggling to hold on to her ownhumanity.
Now, that was the premise.
(02:16):
Let me just say, first of all,the opening theme song is
decent.
The artwork is fine for what itis back in the day.
Sometimes the characters havethis baby doll look on their
face, and I'm not complaining.
But compared to the anime oftoday, this one is definitely a
product of the time.
(02:36):
Really, I wanna say it was alack of color for me.
Like, I mean, I guess that wasintentional, but at the same
time, it's like everything justlooks so it just feels like
everything's the same color.
You know, I don't know.
Like, maybe I'm tripping, butthat's just my impression, even
(02:58):
though to be fair, this is mewatching this anime in recent
times after the anime wasreleased in what?
Uh let me chat real quick.
2007?
Yeah, that sounds about right.
That sounds about right.
The action is satisfying, getsbloody and brutal at times, and
(03:22):
I think plot-wise, anime such asClaymore paved the road for the
demon-slaying subdrama thatwe're getting nowadays.
You have this half human huntingdemons, except there's no comedy
to taste the cruel hard tones ofseries.
Like straight up there, likenone of that.
Oh happy hugging and learning,bullshit.
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Nah, shit happens, people die,get over it.
I I was like, hey, damn, likeit's like, oh, we just go on to
the next bullshit.
Like, yeah, yeah, that happened,but don't worry about that.
Just you just gonna have tocover um covering that
buttercup, you know.
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Before I go any further, uh,cookie I said, how you feeling
about Fleet Moore as of today?
SPEAKER_01 (04:15):
I got a couple things real quick.
Uh, first off, it's it's a veryinteresting premise that uh to
have onto it.
Um, so first thing is theyactually do explain why it is
that men are not chosen.
They did experiment with men.
Men was actually the first onesthey tried to.
Um, it is actually explained inthe anime and the manga, but
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it's only like really brief, soit's easy to skip over onto it.
However, it's there's a lot tosay into this one, but I'll try
to keep this beginning portionbrief into it.
Um, men play no role in theanime, but if you actually read
the manga, men play a huge rolein the story, actually.
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Both men and women do.
Um, the anime for people whohave read the manga, actually,
even a lot of people who havenot read the manga were they
felt deterred from it becausethey said they didn't like the
anime.
A lot of people felt the exactsame way that you felt, even as
far as like the color themes, isso just dark and gritty.
There's no little slight bit ofcomedy, it's just a straight
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dark anime, dark series, andstuff like that.
Actually, that and that's allintentional.
This series was made tospecifically push into the harsh
realities.
Yoma was actually um they themangaka wound up having a thing
about it where Yoma wasexplaining how it's young how
the Yomo was like the people whoare eating away at us in
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society, secretly eating away.
And we have people that rise upto protect us, but because that
they rebel out, in order forthem to be able to protect us,
they have to be kind ofmonstrous themselves, also.
The people are scared of theclaymores because they have
yokai in them, because they havethis incident, and the issue is
that with men and with thewomen, what can happen is that
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they have percentages thatthey're allowed to do.
Like almost every claymoreexcept Claire, Claire is unique,
she's the only one that isone-fourth Yoma, whereas every
every other claymore is halfbecause of how they did it.
Um I would go so far as to saythat Claymore is the Witcher,
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uh, but for women instead of formen, like how the Witcher
franchise is.
It's pretty much the sameprocess.
It's a magical thing where theyincorporate monster flesh into
their body, and the process isliterally very similar to the
Witcher franchise into it,almost not an exact copy, but
very close to it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:48):
Um, I was thinking it, but I didn't want to say it.
SPEAKER_01 (06:52):
No, no, that's that's actually on purpose.
Um, that is actually on purpose,it's made um in close proximity
together.
When Claymore was written, it'saround the same time that the
Witcher franchise was firstmade.
Um, as far as the video gamefranchise was first made into
it, so it's actually similar onpurpose.
Um, so no, no, that's that's anextra thing to mention.
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The dark gritty tones was onpurpose, is to make the series
feel irritable.
Um, some people are veryfamiliar with Junjo Inji.
Um, no, sorry, Junjo Iti, Pito.
My wife is a huge fan of thatmangaka.
He makes nothing but dark,creepy, disturbing anime and
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manga.
Everything is like you go frombody harmor to mental
disruption, all types ofanything dark and gritty is
Junjo does that.
Um, and so this one, withoutgoing that far, was kind of a
play onto that of taking onanime in a sense of just
straight dark tones, similar toGhost Michelle.
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Um, Ghost Nachelle has no funnymoments to it, it is nothing but
dark sci-fi fantasy of justtalking about the harsh, cruel
reality of things.
The the color theme isspecifically gray and dark tone
in order to highlight the factthat it's supposed to feel
irritable.
You're supposed to feel a bituncomfortable on edge because
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every character is on edge.
All the townspeople areconstantly afraid because like
skinwalkers per se.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
That's crazy that you're saying that because I'm
thinking uh ghosts in the show.
Now that I think about it, likenow that you bring that up, like
crazy thing is, like, for themost part, I didn't really think
about it, but wow, like uhKusanagi, she's like the only
one that's like have like colorfor the most part.
I mean, there's there's there'sa robots too, but I'm just
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saying, like, other than that,like most of the carriers, like
and uh it's like they just it'sbear, but they they just don't
really stand out that much.
SPEAKER_01 (08:55):
And they're not supposed to.
This is a gray world.
There's not like there's no popsof color here because everyone's
nervous.
The thing about this, anybodycould be a yokai because these
yokai pretty much likeskinwalkers, they can hide out
as anything.
There's people where imagine yougo to you take your child to
because you got to work, youtake your child to um this
babysitter.
You don't realize that thebabysitter is a yokai and they
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eat your baby, or you take yourchild and then all of a sudden
your child that child wasplaying in the backyard, a yo a
yoma ate them and then disguisedthemselves as that child.
The babysitter didn't know, soyou go back, you go and you pick
up your child and you go backhome and you say, home and make
a dinner today, and then boom,find out your child's a yoma,
and they they've now attackedyou and killed Junior and your
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family.
SPEAKER_00 (09:39):
Did you mention how claymores are known to be uh
silver eye witches?
SPEAKER_01 (09:45):
Because no, no, that's part that's part of the
um process.
Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00 (09:50):
No, but I was just thinking like um, because I know
you're talking about thewitcher, and I'm thinking like
now that I think about it, theycall claymore silver eye
witches, so that kind of I mean,but then again, witcher don't
witches have like golden eyes,but then again, with the
claymores, when they're about toawaken and whatnot, then they
have the golden eyes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:10):
Golden, their eyes become more monstrous, and
that's why it becomes scary.
That's why people are terrifiedof them as well.
So, yeah, that's also the reasonwhy they don't do male um
claymores anymore either, isbecause the issue is that when
you do this process, you'reincorporating the Yoma DNA into
them.
These that that's why people areterrified of them because
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they're like, you're willing togo through this to make yourself
a monster.
And a lot of these claymores tryto defend themselves, like, I'm
not a monster, I'm not amonster.
No, you realize you are amonster, like you you really are
is the problem, and that's whereit's like the biggest grimace
into this.
Like, are you willing to becomethe demon to to save everyone?
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You know, sacrifice yourself forthe better for the betterment of
everyone else, but alsounderstanding that risk that you
could become full-fledgedmonster, also, because the more
that the claymores use the yomapowers, the more they lose their
psyche, their brain startsbecoming more encompassed by the
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yoma DNA, it starts taking themover more, so they they only
have a limited time.
They're specifically told, justlike with Witchers, the Witchers
are told that once you gothrough this Witcher process,
your lifespan is you may thinkit's extended, but
realistically, you're going todie.
And even if you don't die fromgoing out fighting, you'll die
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because this process willdeteriorate and destroy your
mind and destroy your body.
Like that's just the issue withthat.
You're you're going to die ahorrendous death.
SPEAKER_00 (11:40):
That is the same issue that these claymores go
through, is that the edgerunner.
SPEAKER_01 (11:47):
Yes.
So that's the issue is thatyou're either going to die in
battle or you're going to die byturning into a Yoma.
And when you turn into one, thenum a fellow Claymore is going to
have to kill you.
And the thing that they also ismentioned more in the manga, but
not in the anime, is that theClaymores keep their ranks.
Uh, not the rate, they're ableto keep their numbers because
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whenever a claymore dies, theytake someone and make them a
claymore.
Not all those claymores arewilling.
A good portion of them are notwilling.
Some of the higher ranking ones,because they have higher
determination, they have higherwillpower, that's what makes
them stronger, but they stillneed to have some claymores.
Remember, there's there's aranking system of a hundred.
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Every single time.
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
And we decided to give you a spot in our um
organization.
But but but I don't want tolike, well, we're not giving you
a choice.
We'll break someone with usmarried.
SPEAKER_01 (12:45):
So a lot of a lot of people did not, a lot of these
women did not have options, theywere forcibly taken.
Just like uh what uh um thing,um, Black Widow from Marvel.
It's the same thing.
A lot of these girls were youknow they would take
specifically orphan children,um, orphan little girls, and
take them.
So what they found is thatbecause men are because men in
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this world are very different,they're more emotional than a
lot of women are.
SPEAKER_00 (13:13):
There was something in my note that I wanted to
mention now that you got on tothe point.
I like how they said that uh thething about uh Yoma and Claymore
is having uh demonic energycalled Yoki and whatnot, they
can awaken, becoming awakenedbeings.
And the act of awakening islikened to the feeling of sexual
climax.
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So while both male and femalescan exist in the past, only
women were successful in doingthat uh to resist um becoming
awakened while males are moreinclined to awaken.
So that's why they stopped doingmale play more.
SPEAKER_01 (13:51):
Yep, that's exactly why.
That's because men would get soincorporated by the power, get
incorporated by the feeling ofit, and that's what became a big
issue.
And so one of the biggest thingsI also even I would highly
mention is this one.
I I hate and saying it, I lovethe animation style of the
anime, but I would literally saydon't watch the anime, just read
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the manga.
And I realize in some of ourreviews, I'm saying that a
little bit more now, which is abit disturbing, but it's the
honest truth into this.
This is one that I would notrecommend the anime.
SPEAKER_00 (14:24):
No, no, no.
You know what, that is okaybecause it's like what I keep
telling people on these reviews.
Sometimes when you're not onthem, but I keep telling people
that look, the way I see it,anime adaptations, anything
that's an adaptation, I considera companion to the source
material.
So just like with these reviews,it's like us saying that, hey
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yo, like you can hear us talkabout all you want to, but we're
just gonna highly recommend youuh read the source material or
whatever the source material isto see for yourself.
So it's like the same thing.
It's like even like I mean, Istill like the anime for what it
is, but that's kind of thepoint.
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It's supposed to encourage youto read the manga.
SPEAKER_01 (15:09):
Ideally, but the problem is that there's also a
lot of story um contest thatgets cut out, like a good bit of
story uh feels weird, like uhthe last arc of the anime where
they finally go up against theum against the girl that wound
up becoming the awakened beastthat Claire's been trying to go
after.
SPEAKER_00 (15:27):
Now you know those two last two episodes were anime
exclusive, right?
SPEAKER_01 (15:30):
Yes, that's what I mean.
And so all of that stuff feltweird, and you're like, wait,
this doesn't make sense.
This is a that's not somethingjust that felt off to the story,
and that's that's what I meanabout that.
Even the journey for themgetting there, there is actually
a more to the story about howthey journeyed to get to the
north, but they cut that andmade it almost like they fast
traveled type thing.
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But it's like, why would youthere's so much that's cut from
it that actually is notnecessarily like important to
the plot per se, but it doeshelp the the pacing of the
story.
It feels like it makes sense, itfeels like you're really
journeying along with Claire andthe other Claymores and getting
things through.
SPEAKER_00 (16:09):
So it's like that's the anime wasn't catching fire,
so we're gonna have to like wrapit up.
SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
Pretty much, and that and that's what wound up
happening is that it never gotrenewed for a second season.
They never they never didanything for it because people
were upset, they didn't like howit how things went, and then
boom, it just fell off the faceof the earth per se.
And so it's like there's a bunchof people who just straight up
is like, nah, the anime justthey really kind of ruined it.
Some people say the anime ruinedit, some people say, well,
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because it became an anime, iswhy some people actually even
decided to read the manga, so itstill did work in some form of
fashion.
So the manga did get a chance tofinish, but the anime just cut
off on a horrible ending that'snot canon, and a lot of people
think that dang, this just had aterrible ending, and it's like
that's not yeah, the anime hadterrible ending, but not the
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story itself, the actual storywas significantly better, and
it's it's terrible, it'sterrible to have to say into
that aspect because even when Iwas watching it, the and to me,
the animation is beautiful, thestory felt beautiful as I was
going through, minus there wassome pacing issues that I didn't
realize was anime only pacingissues, and it's just like okay,
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like I feel I feel bad about it,like I feel bad in even having
to put this out in review.
But you know, we're we're honeston our opinions on things, we're
gonna give y'all the truth aboutit.
So it's like I want to give highpraises into it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:42):
I still do appreciate the anime, but I hate
that the anime butchered themanga, and so it's like that
reminds me, I'm gonna reviewDead in Wonderland tomorrow.
SPEAKER_01 (17:55):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (17:58):
That was like the perfect example of how fucking
Darial.
Like so much information andshit before and after where the
anime picked up, where I'm likeI I just don't yeah, I just kind
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of wish for a reboot, honestly.
SPEAKER_01 (18:25):
True.
Now I will say some people arenervous into this aspect because
Claymore, if you're gonna rebootit, you have to be faithful to
the manga for it to really pickup well.
But the thing about it is isbecause of the fact that the
taste that the anime has alreadygiven, there's a lot of studios
that's not willing to re to do aredux on Claymore.
They're not actually that noone's gonna try to pick up a
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season two because of theending, like they'll have to do
the same thing they've done toso many other manga, but so many
other animes like Blue Exorcistand stuff, where and Demon Lore
retry where the season two likerewinds back time and just says,
Oh, pretty much forget aboutwhat you what you saw in season
one.
This is the redo for it, and nowwe're just gonna continue on
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from this one.
But it's been years, it's it'sbeen years, almost 20 years now.
There's no way to do that, itwould have to pick up where it
left off at, and it's not gonnareally work out that well.
SPEAKER_00 (19:22):
Well, hold on, to be fair, like I think the own well,
the main example nowadays thatwas like, all right, you know
what, you get a pass, I wouldsay blue exorcist, because keep
in mind it was years since umthe first season, and we're
thinking like, okay, they kindof rushed towards the end.
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Then they came out with seasontwo, season two was all right,
season three came out, seasonthree was alright.
Season four, ooh, okay, nowwe're on to something.
And season four got me thinkingthat okay, now I see why y'all
did what y'all did in season onebecause y'all weren't sure if it
was gonna catch fire, but nowthat y'all kind of redone it and
y'all acting like, okay, let'spretend those last couple
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episodes in season one doesn'tcount.
That way you kind of like redoit, and now that it's getting
more traction and whatnot, like,okay, cool, cool, cool.
So I'm like, okay, good on blueacts.
Same thing with Black Butler nowthat we're thinking about we
just did a review.
Oh, yeah, but yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:23):
Yeah, I was I didn't get a chance to be on get a
chance to run to that one.
Yeah, my bad on that.
I got I got sick, but um, yeah,kind of the same thing you're
right, because yeah, with seasontwo, black butler wound up not
being correct.
But here's the thing about it,though.
That's why I mentioned as far ashow many years it's been with
Blue Exorcist.
Yeah, we had years, we had likeI think it was like three or
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four years or something betweenthat.
Like I said, this is almost 20years at this point, it's
entirely too far gone for that.
It would have to be a completeremake starting from scratch
from episode one.
SPEAKER_00 (20:58):
I mean, well, okay, I don't know if it's like the
best example, but we did reviewPanny and Stalking 2.
That shit came out nowhere after20 years.
SPEAKER_01 (21:07):
Was that a 20-year gap?
I thought that was only 10, butthat was also a straight
continuation, too.
SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
No, no, no.
Let me see.
Let me check, let me check.
Because I swear to God, it feltlike 20 for me, but it might be
right.
SPEAKER_01 (21:23):
Yeah, I remember Penny Stalker came out like
after playing brothers.
SPEAKER_00 (21:28):
Yeah, so yeah, it was it was 15 years, so okay,
15.
It was halfway down.
Okay, technically, I mean, itgives it could go either way,
certainly.
SPEAKER_01 (21:42):
Yeah, but plus also they were able instead of like
redoing it, they just picked upwhere it left off at.
And plus, people like pennystalking for what it was, like
there was it, they didn't haveto like redo anything.
Now, granted, we did review anduh in our review into it, we did
say they didn't necessarilychange the story, it just
changed the approach of howthings went in the continuation.
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They didn't like say, okay,well, forget what happened to
season one.
Yeah, they they referencedseason one quite a few times,
making sure we we had a bunch ofcallbacks to those episodes and
continued some of those stories.
But for Claymore, because itwould have to say that those
last few episodes that you watchdon't exist or that they don't
count, and we're just gonnare-pick up from right here after
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it has been how many years intoit?
That's why I'm just saying, asfar as about the pickup, like I
know there's a whole big threaddiscussion onto it on Reddit and
Core.
It's it's a whole big thing intoit.
Some people's like it may work,some people's like it may not,
it's not really gonna work.
Um, I'm kind of on the people inthe face of people, like, yeah,
I do agree that it's kind oflate to make it not work.
If you're going to do it, itwould just be best to start from
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scratch.
But at the same time, are youwilling to do so?
Because you're now having totake a chance where in this
series, in this day and age,where your the dark and gritty
story would fit.
My hero academia, Demon Slayer.
Like, even though they have somecomedy moments into it, we still
have dark gritty anime thatpeople do enjoy watching.
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Um, dark grit storylines, that'sfine, but there has to be kind
of a balance into it.
You would still have to make alittle bit of change into it as
well, too.
And so it's like I don't know,it would be best to stay to the
source material, but maybe somepeople might not appreciate that
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for a second.
But like you say, it can goeither way, but I mean it's just
it's too many great areas, andbecause of that, is why it's
just left as a classic.
Um, I'm still happy that itstill does get a classic uh
classic seal to it.
Like people do consider it that,um, even if it wasn't like the
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most well enjoyed or most wellpicked up into it.
It's definitely not gonna be onDragon Ball Z Bleach One Piece.
It's not gonna be on one ofthose scales, unfortunately, at
all.
But it will still have a highranking into it of like a good
classic anime itself.
SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
If we're gonna stick to the demon slaying jump
subgenre, like I said, I wouldsay that damn like I would say
ironically, even though we'retalking about silver eye
witches, at this point, as faras like classics and demon
slaying, I would say it's like,for me personally, it's like
silver metal compared toanyasha.
(24:30):
Because that was the one thatreally uh started it all when it
comes to the demon slay.
I mean, there might have beenolder examples, but that was
like the main one where it waslike long-running anyasha in the
game, just going around killingall Naroku demons and whatnot.
Like, that was the main one thatlike see anyasha for me is like
dot hat compared to SAR.
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Like, really, I want to say.hatstarted all when it came to the
MMO anime craze, like, but dot.
SPEAKER_01 (25:00):
There's always gonna be older anime, like some of the
80s animes that do touch baseonto the 80s anime movies.
They didn't do series, they didmovies.
But so yeah, I do fully agreewith you on that.
As far as when it came to anime,yeah, Inuyasha, dot hat, those
would take the medal of kind ofnot just necessarily start
starting the anime seriesfranchise of it, but also as
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getting the popularity of it.
So, most definitely.
SPEAKER_00 (25:26):
It's like you just had to be there.
SPEAKER_01 (25:30):
I mean, on bright news, thanks to the internet
archive, you have an opportunityof still kind of watching it,
you just don't look at it fromthe eyes of now, you have to be
open to what the eyes of thenwas.
SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
And that's how I'm gonna see some things kind of
different, and that's theapproach I took with Claymore to
where I'm like, okay, to befair, it's been a while since
Claymore's been outside.
I think okay, no matter how oldit looks, is like, all right,
fine, the look of it gets apass, but I just need to know if
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it's a good story.
And I do like the way uh, evenin the anime, it kind of did
pace evenly to where it's notjust a whole bunch of bullshit
all uh all at once.
See, it started off simply aslike this simple story.
So you have Claire and most, andlike most Claymore, she's like
this stoic demon slayer lady,and he helps kill these Yoma and
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this boy Rocky, who by the way Iimmediately recognized that
voice after uh Todd Hapricorn,who did Naga Sue Me from My
Brides and Mermaid, he was notsue from Fairy Tale, um, he was
a bunch of notable characters,but um long time money.
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Yeah, like he did a lot of shit,but um this boy, his family got
killed by Yoma, and he decidedto go tag along with Claire.
And once you get later on intothe story, you realize that
there's a reason why she waslike, I mean, at first she was
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like disantuned, but I don'tknow, it's almost like uh Rocky
reminded Claire of herself whenTeresa was not at least okay, at
least it wasn't as bad as Teresato where and I'm I'm trying to
uh get to my point, but oh youthink you know there's this uh
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simple story where she's goingaround playing demons but also
trying to wrestle with her ownphysiology.
But you have this boy who's likeso friendly towards her, and
she's like kind he's like kindof reminding her to hang on to
her humanity, and I liked it inthe simple sense of that, but
then you find out that oh, it'smore like revenge because
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Priscilla killed Teresa, theClaymore that killed the Yoma
that killed Claire's family.
But uh when uh Claire at firstshe didn't she was like kind of
traumatized, you know, she waslike uh held and hostage by a
Yoma, and she couldn't speak atfirst, but um she was like keep
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getting close to Teresa and waslike trying to thank her and
whatnot.
And then Teresa was straight upkick her in the face, trying to
like get the fuck away from thetrip.
Damn.
Uh but eventually Claire um kindof melted her heart a little
bit.
Just like, ah well, all right,fine.
So you keep following me around.
(28:45):
All right, you can come alongwith me and just but uh you
know, bandits kept fucking withhim, and when Claire got
kidnapped, and Teresa was like,hey, you know what?
Fuck it, like just fuck it.
Like, and then you know, theclaymore tried to go after her,
and they I don't know if theylike this Claire's slide, but
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like it was almost like she waslike the number one girl at the
time, so I'm like, good luckkilling her.
Yeah, good luck killing her.
SPEAKER_01 (29:18):
Teresa Teresa was number one.
They tried to get her for thefact that she was um harboring
that she was harboring Claire,and it's like it that was
against the rules to be able todo so.
When you choose to become this,you're not allowed to be your
own person.
Yeah, it was like you're notallowed to be your own person at
all.
So she technically individualityin it, agency over your life.
(29:41):
Pretty much, yeah.
Like, because when you're partof the program, you have when
you're part of the this group,you your life is signed over to
them, you're not allowed to doanything for yourself, but yeah,
Teresa was like, I'm number one,like I am the strongest.
None of you bitches can doanything to me, and yeah, and
Priscilla, you know, quicklybeing young and Rising her way
up the ranks, you know, shereally thought that she was
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about that shit.
Keep getting her ass all aboutTeresa too.
SPEAKER_00 (30:07):
I like how Priscilla was like the apologetic type at
first, but she was like low-keydanger, especially when you see
that alleyway, you see all thosedifferent Yoma just like
littered on the ground, likecorpses and shit.
I'm like, oh shit.
Like, okay.
But um, then next thing youknow, she gets awakened, she
ends up killing Teresa, and shekills just about everybody
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except Claire, and she was like,eh, I ain't gonna fuck with you.
And then next thing you know,Claire gets some uh Teresa's
quest uh trying to get theClaire more treatment, and
that's how she gets her start.
Um Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
And I like how so we have that point in mentioning
there is that Teresa, like Imentioned before, Claire is the
only is the most unique one,while everyone else is half,
she's one-fourth, becauseinstead of getting a Yoma, she
could took Teresa's DNA andincorporated into her.
Um, that does give Claire an ahome field advantage because,
(31:07):
like I mentioned before, themore that they use their Yoma
powers, it starts incorporatingtheir mind more.
So they only have a limitedamount of time that they can do
so.
But with her being one-fourth,she has more humanity control
over it.
So she's not only able to useher yoma powers more often and
stuff, she can actually pushherself to further limits,
(31:29):
limits that would make a regularclaymore immediately turn into
an awakened beast.
She's able to awake to get thepowers of an awakened beast
while still maintaining herhumanity.
SPEAKER_00 (31:41):
And I like how, despite all that, he's number
47, and the other claymore islike, oh, what the fuck?
She's like the weakest one.
SPEAKER_01 (31:52):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Because it's like kind of madeher underdog in a way.
Yeah, I think I said 100, but itwas 50.
They only have like 50 at atime, but yeah, um, she is,
she's literally one of theweakest that there is, but she
quickly moves up, and then theythey do recategorize her later
(32:12):
on.
Um, she winds up making like top10.
She's still not number one bythe end of the manga.
Like she's she's still notnecessarily was number one.
It was just, but she still wasranking high, especially because
they haven't though she couldn'tum got to a number four.
SPEAKER_00 (32:28):
Like, she couldn't get the top ten.
SPEAKER_01 (32:31):
Yeah, I know.
All she got was top ten, thatwas about it.
Um, but that's also one of thethings into the manga, too.
So, like the biggest the biggesthiccup that happened into this
anime was the final was theending of it, where cool Claire
and the group finally managed totake down um Priscilla.
But the thing about it is thateven in the anime, they hype on
(32:52):
more to the fact that there'sthree awakened, like awakened
beast kings.
I don't remember exactly whatthey're called, but they hunt
down the other awakened beasts.
SPEAKER_00 (33:01):
But Priscilla was actually known before Creatures
of the Abyss.
I I had to look it up honestly.
I was gonna ask you, like, hey,what do they call them again?
Uh let me look it up before weactually do this here.
SPEAKER_01 (33:13):
See, yeah, the creatures of the abyss, and
there's three of them.
They're like the king awakenedbeasts that no matter what could
never have been taken down.
However, they're different.
SPEAKER_00 (33:23):
Each of them are the number one at a certain point.
Yep.
Like uh Rico was the youngestnumber one in history.
SPEAKER_01 (33:32):
Yeah, and it was it was it one or two of them that
were male?
I think it was one of them thatwas a male.
SPEAKER_00 (33:36):
Easley was definitely one of them.
I don't know about the thirdone, I forgot it was the third
one was.
SPEAKER_01 (33:42):
But that's one of the things about it is that the
way the anime it sends up islike we talk about these these
three kings that's there, butthen we stop at Prisc, we stop
at Priscilla, and then like, oh,that's the end of the series.
And it's like, wait, what?
No, there's literally whatPriscilla was the right hand man
for one of them.
(34:02):
Like, see that you you don't endthe series being like, oh, we
gotta take down the kings.
Oh, we took down the vicecaptain, and that's now the end
of the series.
What the fuck?
That doesn't make sense.
I don't like that.
Wait, wait a second.
It doesn't it doesn't matter,and then the way they ended the
(34:24):
the way they ended the animetoo, because it was not it was
one of those moments who like,oh, it took this much to be able
to take her down.
We're definitely not ready to beable to take down one of the one
of the kings of the abyss yet.
So we know we're gonna need somemore power, we're gonna need to
get stronger and stuff.
It's like okay, and then theyleave, and that's it.
And I'm like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_00 (34:43):
Oddly enough, it kind of made me want to review
Black Clover because I wasgetting that same vibe where you
know how uh eventually the blackbulls gotta go up against those
devils, and I'm like, it kind ofgave me that same aura vibe when
it came to Easley.
It's like, okay, so you thinkyou tough shit by taking down a
(35:05):
couple awakened beings, like,oh, check this out.
There are motherfuckers that islike even stronger than them.
It's it's like how we felt whenwe watched Yu Yahka still and
the fucking um brothers wereonly B-level demons.
I'm like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_01 (35:22):
Yeah, he's sitting sitting here like talking about
this, like, oh my goodness.
I couldn't get over that.
This dude was swore he was gonnadie.
He was like, Oh, Tagoro's gonnabeat Yusuke.
This is it.
This is the end of everything.
Nigga has at the end ofeverything, but you say this is
the higher ranking.
That's not the end ofeverything.
Them other demons will tell metake him out like it's nothing.
What are you talking about?
(35:43):
It doesn't make sense.
It was I don't know.
It felt like it they uh theyweren't sure.
It felt like uh he was not sureif he was gonna continue the
series at the girl brothers, butthen was like, you know what?
I'm gonna throw a curveball.
It's gonna curve ball myselftoo.
He was only B-ranked.
I'm like, man, what the hell?
(36:05):
But yeah, but it's just one ofthose ones, like imagine that.
Imagine the Uhawk show ended atthe Dart tournament.
They said he was only B-ranked.
What?
Yeah, this one.
SPEAKER_00 (36:14):
Like, hey bro, like, congratulations on winning the
tournament.
What if I told you that he'ssmall fit compared to what you
got to deal with after that?
SPEAKER_01 (36:24):
Yeah, and then it's just like, oh, okay, and then
they're like, well, we need toget stronger into the series.
What?
Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_02 (36:32):
Why are you in the series?
SPEAKER_01 (36:34):
Oh, well, you might as well read the manga.
Have a little note onto it.
Story continues in the manga.
The animation studio is toocheap to continue.
SPEAKER_00 (36:48):
Hey, hold on.
Who was the studio that did thisanyway?
So I'm curious now.
Uh Madhouse.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
They probably had a whole lot tosay going on.
They were like, eh, you know, wegot other things going on.
Hold on.
Let me check on what they did in2007.
Oh.
Well, hold on.
Between 2007 and 2010.
Oh, don't mind me.
I'm just looking.
SPEAKER_01 (37:10):
You're looking.
Go ahead.
So.
See, the manka ended in 2014.
SPEAKER_00 (37:20):
Oh God.
Okay, okay.
They did Catherine Sins.
I'm just doing a coupleexamples.
I'm not doing all of them.
Catherine Sins, Chaos Head,Needless, Fucking High School
Dead, Hunter Hunter, Patoom.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what?
They had so much shit on theplate.
(37:41):
I'm not even blame them.
You regularly imagine highschool, no game, no wife all
that other shit.
Yeah, like they had a lot ofshit going on anywhere.
Oh, hold on.
That's crazy.
You know what's crazy?
We're gonna do Parasite andDeath Parade this month.
Madhouse did those too.
(38:02):
Crazy.
I swear to God, they did 91Days.
I'm like, uh, that's notcoincidence anymore.
Because 91 Days was the onlyother okay, they didn't.
Okay, cool.
But yeah, like three anime thatgot taken off a crunch roll was
shit from Madhouse.
That's crazy.
(38:23):
Or supposedly.
But yeah.
That's crazy.
What else about Claymore?
Nah, I don't I don't I can'tthink of anything right now.
I thought I thought it waspretty good.
Like, I for what it is, Ithought it was pretty good.
SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
To be honest, I there was not much to have in
notes for this one because it'sincomplete.
Like we've we've had this happenbefore.
Like we could rant, but there'sno point in it.
Like, it's just one of thoseones that like straight up, this
is an incomplete series, and ushaving to review it like 17
years later, like almost 20years later, is one of those
(39:06):
ones of like no, not set 2025reviewing.
So, no, it's uh 18 years, soit's just like we're literally
sitting here reviewing whatshould have been finished.
They it had I feel like they'vehad time to be able to do so,
but I understand they droppedit.
The DVD sales did not go well.
Um, a lot of people would notreally want to pick up a lot of
(39:28):
people not tuning into it asmuch, so they decided to go
ahead and just drop it and youknow, just not pick it up again.
It would be nice if we have anopportunity.
Um, I just found out that uhanime series that me and my wife
are very interested in, DoryHidoro, was just announced
finally season two after Ohyeah, um guy with uh lizard head
(39:53):
all that, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:54):
And the month of Molly, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, I
got you.
SPEAKER_01 (39:58):
Yeah, so season two was just announced onto that
one.
It has been years.
Me and my wife thought they wasjust done and they weren't gonna
do anything.
Um, I mean, it still hopesbecause hell bleach had a long
ass gap between when it finallyreleased out Thousand Year Blood
War Arc.
So um, and then the manga, likeThousand Year Blood War Arc had
(40:19):
ended like years ago, and nowKubo is trying to do is trying
to do the Hell Arc um in themanga series now doing
continuation.
So that I mean there's stillhope per se.
There is still kind of hope.
So it's like maybe Claymore mayget a pickup again.
Maybe we might uh maybe theymight just pick up and just say
(40:42):
forget those last three episodesand then kind of restart, and
then like pick up where themanga was at.
Maybe they start over.
We'll see.
SPEAKER_00 (40:50):
There's another example that's a a recent
example that one that wedefinitely gonna read.
We were gonna do it at somepoint, but with the recent news
coming out, I'm kind of gladthat we didn't do it yet.
Ronin Warriors.
That shit came out in the 90s.
A sequel is coming out nextyear.
SPEAKER_01 (41:07):
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, like age.
You know, I was looking upsomething, I was looking up
longest running anime.
I don't know why we're talking,I was just very curious.
And you know, One Piece isnumber 16.
SPEAKER_00 (41:19):
My bad.
It was like late 80s, my bad.
It was like as far as Japan, itwas like April 1988, but you
know, it didn't come to us untilthe 90s.
Yeah, but that was like one ofmy first, to be honest with you.
That was like the maleequivalent of uh I mean, aside
from Sailor, uh Ronin Warriorslike the male equivalent of
(41:43):
Sailor Moon for me.
SPEAKER_01 (41:44):
Sailor Moon.
That's exactly what it is.
It's while Sailor Moon focusedon the magical girl, Ronin
Warriors got the opportunity ofhaving not Sentai because we
already had so many SentaiWarriors, but magical male.
It was just an opportunity toreally kind of push through with
(42:05):
that.
So yeah, no.
Um, especially one thing youdon't realize too.
Dragon Ball, if it most of you,if y'all don't realize Dragon
Ball and Dragon Ball Z are 70sanime.
We didn't get in America untilthe 90s.
SPEAKER_00 (42:19):
And really, those were the ones, like that's why I
say Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z,Sailor Moon, Yu Yu Haga Show,
Mobile Su Gunham, all of them.
Uh, they talking about all thebig sis of the 90s.
No, no, no, no.
Like, okay, you can call themthat if you want to, but I dare
say these are the forerunners.
These are the ones where, like,if you were there at the right
(42:40):
time during the golden age ofToonami, these are the ones
where I'm like, okay, this willum probably uh get you in the
door.
SPEAKER_01 (42:50):
So, yeah, definitely.
I wish I could, I really wish Icould put Claymore on that list.
Um, but it is just one of thoseones that if you enjoyed the
anime, fantastic.
I definitely enjoyed the anime.
If you are looking for an animerecommendation, uh, I just
personally I cannot recommendit.
Um, I would still give it arating.
(43:11):
I forgive if I'm jumping onrating time, but um I would
definitely give it a rating of a6.57.
Um again, it's just one of thoseones that I have to be.
Okay, okay, decent.
Um I'm not even gonna sayenjoyable to watch.
(43:32):
You have to really know thestory.
SPEAKER_00 (43:34):
Hold on, since he kind of dove into the manga,
anyways.
Okay, um, how about ratingclaymore as a whole?
Because at this point, we'reprobably not gonna revisit the
manga or anything like that,anyways.
I'm like, you might as well ratethe unless they do decide to
bring it back.
SPEAKER_01 (43:52):
Yeah, now if I rate it all together as a story into
it, oh no, the story is anabsolute nine.
Uh the story is absolute ninebased on manga-wise.
Again, the pacing in the mangais fantastic.
Um, it doesn't feel over likeI'm not gonna say nothing,
nothing's perfect.
You're gonna have like littlemoments that you're kind of
upset that a chapter cut off ata point, but the series is
(44:12):
completely now.
You can binge the manganowadays.
You're not waiting the next weekor two weeks for the next
chapter.
Just go ahead, you can binge itall now, and it's gonna feel a
wonderful pacing to it.
Um, as well as also the artstyle into it without you having
to worry about the colors.
It's the same art style.
Madhouse did a fantastic jobdoing almost a 1v1 from the
(44:33):
manga to the anime as far as thehow the characters look.
The what you mentioned as far ashim having like a doll face type
of thing is actually important.
That's Claire.
Claire specifically has that,she has that face.
That was something thatapparently like was a thing for
her.
SPEAKER_00 (44:49):
Was that made a reference to that one time like
in the anime today?
Like they baby doll at one time.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember that.
SPEAKER_01 (44:57):
I'm like, confused, like she had a unnatural, she
had a very natural slashunnatural beauty to her.
Like, there's some people that'sjust like naturally beautiful,
you just can't understand it.
Like, there's a um not it's notRosie O'Donnell.
I don't know why I'm thinkingher, but there's an actress
that's well known for having bigeyes, and she even talked about
(45:20):
stories to that too, where shesays unfortunately she's had
some weird past relationshipswhere some of the guys that she
dated just they didn't like hereyes.
They said her eyes were just toobig, and it just felt weird.
But that's just I think so.
And so that but that's the thingabout that's the thing for
Claire.
Claire has naturally I mean, Idon't mind.
SPEAKER_00 (45:39):
I'm just like I just hear the criticism.
I'm an April, like uh, I mean,he's fine, he's fine with which
he is.
Like, I'm I'm not complaining.
And everyone's got their ownunique qualities.
I'm gonna watch TV too.
SPEAKER_01 (45:53):
And that's one of the things about Claire too, is
the fact that while the othersilver-eyed witches, the other
Claymores, you can kind of seeinto it for her, it's just like
you can see from a distance.
Oh, that's a silver-eyed witchcoming type thing.
Like it because her eyes arebig, and that's a thing for it.
And because her eyes are big,while everyone else is always
expressionless, even whenthey're about to die, they tend
(46:15):
to show almost next to noexpression.
Everyone is like bland facingClaire does not, she she can't,
she still has she has more thanhalf of her humanity because
part of the humanity that theclaymores lose is some of their
emotions as well, too.
But again, with Claire beingone-fourth um Yoma, but actually
(46:36):
still being three parts withhuman, she's still able to wear
emotions on her face, she can'thide it, she's able to actually
show it, and so it makes her sounique from the other claymores.
So that whole like thatstylization again was on
purpose.
It allows us to be able tofollow her through of how things
are.
(47:12):
But that that would be from meonto that one.
SPEAKER_00 (47:15):
No, I feel I feel I like that.
I like that.
See, yeah, I didn't know.
I mean, I wasn't sure if I wasgonna read them all out.
I I don't know.
I just want to hear your opinionon it.
Ooh, excuse me, that's just butuh if I were to give it a
rating, the characters wereokay.
(47:39):
The artwork since okay.
You sold me on.
Well, I I kind of knew it wasintentional anyways, but some of
the details I didn't know wasintentional.
So I'm like, okay, okay, I'llgive a point for that.
The music was okay.
I did like some of the theme,like some of the emotional tones
and whatnot.
I like how they kind of kept itserious about the whole fucking
(48:00):
thing.
Uh, no jokes, nothing to kind ofsmooth over the fact that some
important character orunimportant character died.
Oh, that's what's pretty good,like I said.
I still want to give it like agood 7.5, maybe an eight.
SPEAKER_01 (48:20):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (48:21):
The main thing is, the main thing is, like you
said, if it was more faithful tothe manga and ran longer, my
score would probably have beenhigher.
SPEAKER_01 (48:34):
Almost that mine would most definitely be higher
if it did.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (48:38):
But it was it was incomplete, and it was like they
had to just make shit up at thelast minute.
So I'm like, I can't give youthe 10.
I can't, I can't even give youthe nine.
But at max eight on a good day,an eight.
That's all I got.
That's fair.
Uh yeah, you know, let's goahead and wrap this up because
(49:01):
we got to uh thank you for beingon the show as always.
Uh to the listeners, thank youfor listening to us again.
Remember that great things arecoming to stay nerdy.
Go ahead and have yourself agood morning, good afternoon,
good evening, good night, butultimately take it easy.
And remember, stay nerdy.
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