October 13, 2024 • 35 mins
What happens when the burden of expectations becomes the real antagonist in our lives? Join us on the ZONE Podcast as we welcome the insightful Sebby Phantom as a new castmate, to share his thoughts on Disney's "Encanto," a film that cleverly navigates family dynamics and the hidden pressures that bind us. We explore how Mirabel, the unassuming hero without magical powers, holds her family together, reflecting on how ordinary strengths can triumph over extraordinary challenges. Through personal anecdotes, we connect with characters like Louisa, who embodies the all-too-familiar weight of familial expectations, sparking a conversation on breaking free from these invisible chains.
Our discussion takes a deeper dive into psychological insights, examining attachment styles and their manifestations within family scenarios as seen in "Encanto." We celebrate the film's significant cultural impact and award-winning music, particularly the catchy tune "We Don't Talk About Bruno." The episode also brings excitement about the potential future "Encanto"-themed attractions, enhancing the magic of the film's themes of self-acceptance and familial unity. With humor and heart, we unpack Bruno's prophecies and their amusing relevance to everyday life, highlighting why "Encanto" resonates so widely.
We conclude with a candid discussion on healing and shedding the cloak of perfectionism, inspired by Mirabel's journey and the film's themes of generational trauma. We reflect on Stephanie Beatrice's incredible performance, even while in labor, and how "Encanto" offers powerful lessons on empathy and understanding. By drawing parallels to real-life challenges, we share strategies for emotional release and self-reflection, encouraging listeners to embrace new perspectives. Finally, we offer updates about our website, promising more engaging content and inviting you to join us on this journey of insights and growth!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
welcome back to the zone podcast where we like to
advocate family therapy andreconciliation.
I'm jeff black extreme, butfeel free to call me jb, and
today's topic is incanto.
And joining me today is a newvoice, a sebi phantom.
How you doing today by the way.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Benven you so much, jb.
This is really exciting.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, hell, yeah, because, man, I really love this
movie like I watched it when itwas like brand new and
absolutely loved it, like thedirection that it went.
And just now, re-watching ittoday, I'm thinking, yeah, it
definitely holds up as one ofthose movies to where, yeah, I
(00:46):
would show this to my kids, eventhough I'm not hispanic, latino
, but it's one of those movieswhere it's solid enough, to
where you can show this to thefamily, whatnot?
Because sometimes I feel asthough people need to understand
how, uh, the true villain inthis film is not the
conventional villain like wewill see in movies like Snow
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White or Cinderella.
You know, the villain in thisfilm is the burden of
expectation and we're going toget into that right now, so,
without further ado, let's talkabout bruno.
so absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It was one of my favorite movies when I first,
when it first came out.
As someone who is actuallylatina, um, this was a movie
that represented my familyMultiple sisters All have
different talents, you know, andit's multi-generational.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So it really just hit straight to home.
Yeah, I definitely feel you onthat Because to a degree Let me
be honest with you Now that I'mthinking about it One of the
sisters, louisa.
She reminds me of my oldersister.
To where she's multi-talented.
She went to the army, she goesto these deadlifting
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competitions, she's doing great.
But the thing is, I feel likeshe's one of those people to
where, even though she has a lotof strength, but I feel like
sometimes I got I'm, I'm youthinking like, hey, man, listen,
like don't wear yourself out,trying to live up to the
expectations that people areputting on you, because you know
(02:38):
, um, people can see that she isvery good at what she does.
But I just don't want theexpectations and the stress, you
know, because you know stresskills for real.
So sometimes when I see Louisain this film, I kind of think of
my older sister.
So if she's listening to this,just know I still got love for
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you.
I may not talk as much, butwe'll get together whenever you
come back into town.
You know what, but you knowwhat, stebby, what I do like
about this film is how the mainthing is with the main character
, mirabelle, how she's the onethat has no gift, right?
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And people are saying oh, ohwell, what if her gift is like
no, no, that kind of defeats thewhole purpose of her not having
a gift like.
The thing is that, um, you haveto step back and realize that
sometimes you don't need thismagical gift to be considered
special like right you don'treally need to like have some
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sort of God-given talent to dogood.
See, mirabelle did her best forthe family, even though she
wasn't as strong as Louisa.
She couldn't produce flowerslike Isabelle, she couldn't
conjure rain clouds like heraunt or, uh, talk to animals
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like antonio.
Uh, she pretty much did thebest that she could as a normal
person, and I really hate howpeople just low-key, like
passive-aggressively, try tomake her feel bad for not having
a gift.
But she wouldn't even feel badif you know the implications you
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know?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
oh yeah, absolutely.
Um, when in the movie in canto,when mirabelle, you know when
the miracles in danger,mirabelle has to be the one to
save it.
Now, generally speaking, ofcourse her sisters have the
powers and so does everyone else.
Um, I totally agree with youthere.
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Mirabelle, to me, doesn't needa gift because in the end, she's
the hero of the story.
So why does the hero need agift in the end?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
right, it was bringing the family back
together, in my opinion at leastyes, that's the thing is like
she's the rock that held thefamily together, in a sense.
To where?
Uh, she's the one where youknow, with that vision, um,
bruno's vision, to where theyhad the glass shard pieces they
put together and it showed that,oh well, mirabelle was standing
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in front of the house oncracking apart.
But, like what bruno said, thefuture, uh, it's not set in
stone.
It can change any moment andacts like a very, um, ambiguous
sign, like it could have meantanything.
So they had to revisit thatvision and this time, with
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mirabelle's help, bruno locatedthe reason, what makes, uh, her
involved in all this.
To where the whole thing is.
I like how it was actually.
Well, I won't say alma was thevillain, but it was her
expectations on her family thatwas driving wedges between all
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the different family members.
So that's why, between louisa,um, getting weaker and low-key,
like kind of cracking under thepressure of being the girl who,
like, help people move theirstuff, because, you know, moving
a piano, moving donkeys andwhatnot, uh, everybody's like
going to her like she'ssuperwoman.
I'm like, hey, yo like, justbecause she's strong doesn't
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mean like she's still a person,man like.
Well, I'm just saying like evensuperheroes have limitations.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I'm just saying to the generational trauma right
there.
I mean, alma had this visionthat everyone needed to be
perfect.
I mean she even said set thatdown to her children.
Like you, three need to beperfect.
And, of course, if you'retaught that for so long, your
kids, her kids, are going tostart pushing it down to their
children.
(06:55):
I E Louisa holding the familytogether, holding that rock so
it doesn't fall.
Isabella going to marry to keepthe family together so that the
gift can keep expanding.
And, of course, justMirabelle's like I'm just here,
what do you want me to do?
Oh, nothing, okay, well, I'mgonna figure it out my own way.
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And in the end, alma's likewhat are you doing?
Why are you causing trouble?
I'm just trying to help.
Well, stop uh selby.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Are you familiar with attachment theory?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I am not speak.
I would love to hear well,here's the thing, like.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I heard about it from a friend of mine um years ago.
Essentially, there's this bookcalled attach.
Uh, you can look it up.
I got it on Amazon.
I read it.
It was great.
Essentially, attachment theoryis where how, in a nutshell, how
you were raised can affect howyou function in adulthood.
So say, for instance, there'sfour main attachment styles
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there's secure, anxious,avoidant and fearful.
Anxious, uh, avoidant andfearful, well, dismissive, um,
and then uh, fearful.
Secure is the obvious one, towhere, if you were in a
household, to where everybodyshowed love to you and there was
like structure and nurture atthe same time, a healthy balance
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and whatnot, chances are you'regonna grow to be a
well-balanced kid, like mentallyuh if the love was there but
they weren't that consistentabout it.
You might have an anxiousattachment to where you might be
, like some of the I've got thisuh simps.
That seems like they need toover validate themselves.
(08:44):
You know, like what I need todo to make you love me.
That's right I think, that'sanxious attachment, uh,
dismissive attachment is morelike you're this ice queen or
you like you just push peopleaway or you just kind of dismiss
other people's um feelings orwhatnot, mainly because you
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never really had this wholehealthy relationship with your
family or parents.
And eventually that's how thenon-committal people, you know
the people who like cheating awhole lot, they just get so
detached from people because youknow they're thinking, oh well,
you're just gonna leave meanyways.
(09:29):
And that leads into fearfulavoidant, which is, I dare say,
the worst combination of anxiousand dismissive, to where it's a
game of hot and cold with them,to where they will try to cling
to you at times to make sureyou don't leave, but at the same
time they try to push you awaybecause, oh, if you get too
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close then you're just gonnaleave.
It gets crazy, but I swear it'sa thing I should definitely
check that out.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
That seems like a really good read and will
probably explain explain a lotof things that is wrong with me
and my family so, yes, attached,uh, I could look well, I
already mentioned it, but, um,you can find it on amazon.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And, not to derail too much from the movie, yes,
like the expectations that almawas putting on not only her kids
but the grandchildren, because,keep in mind, mirabelle, louisa
and isabel, uh aregrandchildren.
So it's like every time one ofthe magicals gets a gift,
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there's now this expectation towhere they need to, uh, be the
shining examples for thecommunity outside of the family.
So in a way, it's like there'sthis superhero family for this
community specifically, and ifthey fall anywhere short from
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exceptional or satisfactory,then yeah, grandma's going to be
mad at you and you know nobodywant to make her mad and blah,
blah, blah, that kind of thing.
So that's the main thing, towhere it's the.
Sometimes tradition can becrushing, but tradition
shouldn't be vilified either,because it just gives us that
(11:25):
structure that you know Don'tfix something that isn't broken.
So if it works, then it works.
But at the same time it's likeyou got to loosen your grip Just
a little bit to where you gotto have this loving touch To
your family and what not,because you don't want to
Instill too much structure,structure to a point to where it
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just feels like you're justironically pushing your family
away.
And then next thing you knowyou're like how come the kids
never call me?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
right, yeah, encanto, it was one of the best feature
films in 2021, even into 2022.
I mean, it was released as oneof the first motion pictures for
the Thanksgiving weekend of2021.
And it even went on to winAcademy Awards for Best Feature
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Film in 2022.
And even won three LatinoAwards awards and a broadway
award as well.
So this movie just kept shiningand shining, and even today I
mean, everyone knows the song.
We don't talk about bruno wedon't talk about bruno, no, I
mean that song reached numberone in the Billboard Hot 100s
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for Disney for like three weeks.
It surpassed Let it Go.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I mean about time.
I mean, listen, like Frozen itwas all right.
But listen, y'all need to calmdown.
It's bad enough that we'regetting a third Frozen film.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I mean, if you're into that, fine, I'm not going
to harp on it too much.
But yeah, like I don't care,like the first one was all right
, I don't need a second or athird one.
You know what I?
Mean right about in consolelike I do, like how I'm now
learning that there's gonna be atheme for attraction based on
in console that's gonna be atthe uh animal kingdom in three
(13:26):
years from now that sounds socute.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm wondering if it's possibly gonna be like a
reference to antonio's likebedroom with all the animals.
I think that'd be like such acute display.
Um, yeah, again somethingtowards antonio.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I don't think he had enough film time in my opinion
yeah, like after he got his gift, like he popped in and out,
like, say, for instance, when heshowed up in um bruno's um
little space and he wanted tohelp out um mirabelle and bruno
with the plan to try to restorethe family, and that I think it
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was like a cougar or leopardwhatnot was trying to eat the
rats and he was like don't eatthose.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
That's my favorite scene.
I quote that scene like everyday I've got cats, so I'm like
don't eat that.
That's my scene of all times.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I love that but no, you know what?
Let's talk about Bruno for real.
Yeah, a lot of the visions thathe had for the people.
Look that could happen toanybody.
Like how he said oh, he saidthat my goldfish was going to
die.
I'm like bro.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I have no hair.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, listen, men lose their hair.
It's common for men to losetheir hair by the time they end
their 30s.
So that could happen to anyoneit just happened to you exactly,
and now you wear a toupee yourentire life.
Oh, that one guy that said, oh,he said, um, that I'm gonna
grow a gut.
I'm like hey, bro, do youexercise?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
that's why you know, what the funny part is is that
man who was saying that he has atoupee and that bruno lied,
he's actually a priest in thatcity.
So it just makes it evenfunnier and ironic that he's
like oh, Bruno's lying man.
He told me I had luscious hair.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And even with the magicals, where he predicted
that Dolores was going to fallfor a guy, that's a trollrolled
to another.
But it turned out to be likeisabel.
And then, uh, you know thewhole thing, that turns out like
isabel.
Isabel didn't even want tomarry the dude anyways it was
like oh well, it works out likehey.
Well, if you don't want tomarry isabella, then you can all
(15:37):
marry divorce I'm like yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I'm like, yeah, let's get.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah like oh, let's get married.
Whoa slow down buddy.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, so the gentleman who played Bruno is
John Leguizamo, and he's got afunny start to his whole career.
You didn't know he was activelya drag queen before everything.
He played in a couple of dragmovies.
That was fun, but I think heused some of um his past
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experience to give bruno somepizzazz, in my opinion.
So just if you ever go intowatch the behind the scenes like
when they're in the boothtalking john leguizamo playing
bruno like he does the wholeswishiness of the cape with no
cape I think he embodied Brunoin that entire scene.
I think he even wore a bucketon his head for like a while, oh
(16:31):
yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You know what's crazy to me?
How, to this day, I still can'tbelieve that it was Stephanie
Beatrice as Mirabelle.
Because the thing is, I likeStephanie Beatrice, especially
since um Rosa Diaz from BrooklynNine-Nine I might do a
retrospective on that maybe, butI just love her range to where
(16:56):
she was recently in Haspen Hotelas Baggy I know god, like I'm
just so impressed by her.
Um, she was in modern family,uh, bob's burger was a couple
characters, uh she also did inthe heights, the newer version
of that, um.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But what's really cool is that when she sang the
song uh, looking for a miracle,did you know she was actively
going through labor at that time.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I did not know.
That's the thing.
I knew she was pregnant, but Ididn't know she was going
through labor at the time, Likewow.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, so in the middle of the song, when she's
breathing really heavily andsinging those very long like I'm
just waiting on a miracle, shewas literally in active labor
and she even admitted, like on amiracle.
She was literally inactivelabor and she even admitted,
like the moment she was donewith that song she went straight
to the hospital so that justproves that as a voice actor and
actress, you do everything andanything wow, I'm like here.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I thought I was gonna teach you something.
You're teaching me something.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I'm all down for learning new things and giving
some information that someoneelse may have not noticed but
overall, what else I can sayabout this film to where?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
yeah, the main thing about the Casita being destroyed
and what whatnot is how theyneed to reconcile the strained
relationship with the family,especially between Mirabelle and
Isabella, to where Mirabellewas always kind of like low-key,
hating on how Isabella was like, oh, you're so perfect and
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beautiful, and blah, blah, blah.
And then Isabella was like doyou think I like all this shit,
can you?
imagine how hard it is tomaintain my beauty and to be
this perfect little princess foreverybody.
And in fact I'm a fucking mess.
And then that cat just bloomedand then she realized you know,
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know what, I don't have to beperfect all the damn time and
like I just love that part.
You can go honestly, becausesometimes perfectionism is
another thing that's instilledin the family traumas where, uh,
your family kind of expect youto be, like you're not allowed
to make mistakes or any shitlike that.
And I'm like, bro, likeunderstand that you're just
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looking out for me, but don'tforget, I'm human yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So isabella is actually the oldest sister and
any any latina family knows thatas the oldest sister and the
oldest sibling, they have moretribes and tribulations Than any
other sibling in the family.
They have to maintain thatEverything looks perfect.
She's got to look perfectBecause she's the person of the
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family, she's the woman of thefamily.
So, just again, putting myshoes into the story, I'm the
last child, so I feel Maribelinside of me.
But seeing that in my ownfamily that the oldest sister is
, always I have to be perfection.
I just like this movie so muchthat it's just so like I see my
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family into this.
And yeah, isabella definitelywas like I don't want to be
perfect and that song is amazing.
Don't get to be perfect in thatsong.
That song is amazing, don't getme started on that song.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I really love how this is one of those moves that
reminds you that you got tounlearn that perfectionism
that's been instilled in you.
Like, once again, I'm sure thatyour parents, teachers, your
elders in general they don'treally mean anything by it Like
they're not trying to bemalicious, but in a way it's
like they're kind of um beinghow can I put this?
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It's almost like they have thisdisconnect to where you got to
remember that they're the onesgoing through something right
now.
So, even though you may havethe answers, you need to
approach them with a aura ofempathy.
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I would say, like you gotta be,like look, I understand that
you're hurting, but I assure youthat the pain will fade in time
.
But in meantime, you gotta gothrough the um, proper processes
or whatever the case may belike.
In other words, like you gottaappeal to their humanity first
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and then give them the guide towhere.
Here's how you can go from here.
But whenever you're ready, youcan go ahead and execute it.
Like that, it's kind of likegoing through a breakup, like
yeah, you're not gonna tell himlike hey, yo, you need to get
back out, excuse me, you need toget back out there.
I know like um, at the veryleast like hey, man, you need
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time to yourself.
Like just um, take some time toyourself.
Like kind of process the wholething, but eventually, for the
sake of you know doing betterand whatnot you know, get back
out there.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Like I'm gonna say solid one to two months to
yourself before I would say like, okay, at least the next person
you date won't feel like, okay,you're just trying to look for
a rebound, like you actually hadtime to like collect your
thoughts and whatnot before youknow that sort of thing yeah,
and I think that's what the endof the movie definitely
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portrayed, when um mirabelleended up running the completely
opposite direction and findingthe river and just having some
time for herself before almacame back into the picture and
was like I'm so sorry, I didn'tmean to treat you this way at
one one point.
You just kind of have to leteverything go.
Have you heard of the um thered dye cup trick?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Uh, vaguely.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
So and this was this was a great.
When I took psychology incollege, this was a great
learning experience.
You have five cups.
The first cup is the biggestcup and it has red dye in it.
As you pour, each other cup haswater in it.
As you pour the bigger cup intothe next smaller cup, the red
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dye tends to go away.
As you keep pouring the cupsuntil the last small cup,
there's barely any dye there.
That's the generational trauma,and so that's how I see it.
At the end of the movie,mirabel went to go pour her cup
out to restart, and that's how,to me, the house got fixed, casa
got fixed, the town was backtogether, but the mountain was
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still cut in half.
So there's still trauma there.
It's just that it's gonna takea while to get everything to get
put back together yeah, it'slike saying, uh, rome wasn't
built in a day.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It's like, yeah, you now realize the problem.
You know like how you would goto therapy, to where, okay, you
now reach a breakthrough.
You now realize, uh, wherey'all can begin, uh, reconciling
and healing from the trauma.
But it's not like, oh well, allyour problems are solved in one
day.
No, it's like it's gonna belike a everyday thing, to where,
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to a point to where it justfeels normal that the change is
like taking place.
You know so, you'll, you'll,you can tell like how.
Let's just say that there wassome people in my past where I'd
rather not go into detail.
But let's just say I've beenthrough my own shit and now I
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got to a point, to where, youknow what, I can look at those
moments sometimes and be likeit's kind of funny in hindsight.
I mean, in a third, like yougot almost like oh, instead of
looking at from a first personpoint of view, it's like kind of
go into a third person point ofview and be like you know what
in hindsight, I can kind of seethe humor and all this like say,
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for instance, uh, I'm gonna saythis is like funny.
I'm not trying to make light ofit, but you know how you get
picked on in school and thenwhen you're going through it
like you don't really feel thatgood about it, but you know
years after graduating andwhatnot.
You, stepping back, you realizeyou know what.
There was.
(25:21):
Some things that got picked onwas unfair, you know, like being
a nerd, and things that I gotpicked on was unfair, you know,
like being a nerd and all that.
So that was unfair because it'snone of your business what my
hobbies are.
I like what I like.
I'm not criticizing you forwhat you like you know.
In my case, it's about what Ilike you know.
But if it was something like, ohwell, they didn't like my
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clothing or maybe my hygienewasn't on point or whatnot, I'm
like you know what to be fair,yeah, that was on me, like I
kinda had it coming.
So, alright, yeah, yeah.
So I can't really feel badabout getting picked up for most
, except for the nerd part.
I'm like, hey man, that's notfair.
Like I like my hobbies andinterests, like be respectful,
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all that shit other than that.
I'm like hey, man, that's notfair.
Like I, I like my hobbies andinterests, like be respectful,
all that shit other than that.
I'm like you know what, fairgame, right.
So that's what I'm saying.
Like, sometimes it takes awhile for you to realize you
know what.
I think we can finally move pastthis, now that we finally got
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things addressed and whatnot,you know you took the time to
like fully process why thingsplaying out the way they played
out, like maybe there was likesome sort of answer that we
weren't looking into.
You know, kind of like with thevisions where we just kind of
saw that face value, that, oh,mirabelle was behind, well, in
the front of the house cracking,so she must be the reason why
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everything's going to shit.
And I'm like, no, no, no, um,maybe you need to like take a
few steps back on, because youit's like what dave chappelle
once said you're standing tooclose to the elephant, like you
can't see the full picture ifyou're standing too close to the
skin.
You know what I mean.
So sometimes you gotta takesome steps back and realize,
okay, okay, I can see itdifferently.
(27:06):
Now I can see it, yeah yeah,and mirabelle.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Actually, she helps her family break this cycle of
this intergenerational trauma byreminding alma survival mode is
not meant to be a permanentplace, you know, and and that
life is the true generation.
So in the movie, as we getcloser to the end of it,
mirabelle begins this unlearningprocess with her family,
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including Alma, and at the end,you know Casita.
The family home is rebuilt ondifferent values of life instead
of just surviving.
I mean, alma went through thattraumatic experience, like her
husband's gone, she's got threekids to raise.
I mean, again in her head wasjust survival.
How's my family gonna survive?
(27:53):
We're never gonna survive.
This meet a bell doesn't have agift.
We're not surviving becausethis and in the end it was like
maybe because we have each other, we don't need to survive, we
can just finally live I lovethat.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I love the themes, like how the animation was
beautiful, how therepresentation of the hispanic
latino community, um, like wepretty much said, encanto is
going to be one of those hitswhere, with Disney, I'm like you
know what Y'all all right,sometimes Fuck y'all at the
company, especially with thewhole restaurant shit where that
(28:34):
one doctor died because she'spregnant, wanted an allergen
free meal specifically, and theygave her something that had
like something that she wasallergic to.
She died and the husband wasgrieving, wanting, um, to sue
disney for that.
But oh well, you signed up fordisney plus for a free trial and
(28:55):
because the terms of service,like we can like dispute this
and blah, blah, this wholeuphill battle and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So I'm like as a company, I kind of want to go
and read those terms ofagreement, see if I can find
anything about that, because tome, what does Disney Plus have
to do with the parks?
But that's besides me.
Where's the difference there?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
so I'm like uh, uh see, as a company I'm on to
y'all, but as far as, like,making movies, it really depends
on the movie.
Like, say, for instance, insideOut, we're gonna review those
um, I won't say later on thismonth.
Uh, pretty good movies.
And then sometimes with themovies I'm like do we really
(29:40):
need this?
Like, do we really need Mufasa?
It's going to get overshadowedby Sonic 3.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, it must have.
I'm excited for that movie.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
So I'm like at least we're in concert.
I'm like this is one of yourhits.
I'll let y'all have this.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I do have to say, movies that come out on that
Thanksgiving weekend tend to bereally powerful and they tend to
get a lot of hits.
I mean, not even two yearsbefore that, frozen came out
that same weekend, moana theyear after and now Encanto, and
those are three of the mostpopular Disney Plus movies that
(30:20):
they've ever seen.
So and those are three of themost popular Disney Plus movies
that they've ever seen, so we'llsee what happens this year.
I mean, we have Moana 2 comingout.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, I got to see the trailer of that, but I am
going to watch Inside Out nextweekend because it is hitting
Disney Plus.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Oh yeah, oh man, like you should have Ah man us.
Oh yeah, oh man, like youshould have, ah man.
Like, if you ever get a chance,listen to the last nerdy news
special that we did, because,man, I was geeking when check
this out.
We did a review on incrediblesone and two not too long ago and
(30:58):
we were talking about ourspeculation for incredibles 3,
what it would be about and allthat, and then, next thing, you
know, d23 happens, incredible 3get announced, and then, next
thing you know, uh kogigasu, ourco-host, was um, reminding me
of how I kind of called that.
I'm like, well, you know, Ididn't expect um.
(31:18):
They didn't announce it liketwo months after we did the
review.
But here we are.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I promise I wasn't in that room when that happened.
That's a Hamilton joke, ifyou're needing to know that.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Oh, by the way, I just discovered Hamilton on
Disney Plus while I was watchingEncanto.
I was like flipping through.
Oh wait, hamilton's on there,okay.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I'll watch it.
Lin-manuel classic movie.
Oh, don't get me started onhamilton.
That's a whole different breedof mine yeah and oh, you know
what.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
That just reminds me how we're gonna do a whole bunch
of reviews on musicals anddisney somewhere between
November and May.
Like, may is definitely goingto have a whole bunch of
musicals, but we're pretty muchthinking about doing a whole
bunch of Disney movies, tryingto play catch up with some of
the classics anyway.
So I hope you're going to be onthe show for that.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I'm down for some oldRenaissance Disney and of course
, musicals Are my specialties.
If you say a musical, I'veprobably Been to the live
viewing of it and Top dog man,that's.
That is my thing.
Spotify is filled With justmusicals and broadways.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It would be great to have that perspective to when we
do Musical month, to where,okay, I'm going to watch the
movie and then we'll probablyslide to you or Professor Tuck,
who also, and also Cy ThomasMatch, who's been to live shows,
and they can tell us what wasyour perspective from watching
the live show compared to themovie oh yeah, most of, but yeah
(33:02):
go ahead I was just gonna askyou.
Uh, with that being said, I'mpretty much spent on talk about
the movie.
What can I say?
Five stars, like I wouldrecommend it to pretty much
anybody who will listen to me.
Uh, do you have anything youwant to add on?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
um no, I think that's it.
I also give it a five stars.
I mean that was definitely ahighlight movie.
I mean that's a movie that Iwill continue to watch, no
matter what day or what time itis.
But yeah, I recommend thatmovie for anyone who wants to
watch it.
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for listening to us to the end,and, sebi, I do thank you for
listening to us to the end.
And, sebi, I do thank you forbeing on with me, though, uh,
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morning, a good afternoon andgood night.
Take it easy.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Adios.
Thank you you.
welcome back to the zone podcast where we like to
advocate family therapy andreconciliation.
I'm jeff black extreme, butfeel free to call me jb, and
today's topic is incanto.
And joining me today is a newvoice, a sebi phantom.
How you doing today by the way.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Benven you so much, jb.
This is really exciting.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, hell, yeah, because, man, I really love this
movie like I watched it when itwas like brand new and
absolutely loved it, like thedirection that it went.
And just now, re-watching ittoday, I'm thinking, yeah, it
definitely holds up as one ofthose movies to where, yeah, I
(00:46):
would show this to my kids, eventhough I'm not hispanic, latino
, but it's one of those movieswhere it's solid enough, to
where you can show this to thefamily, whatnot?
Because sometimes I feel asthough people need to understand
how, uh, the true villain inthis film is not the
conventional villain like wewill see in movies like Snow
(01:09):
White or Cinderella.
You know, the villain in thisfilm is the burden of
expectation and we're going toget into that right now, so,
without further ado, let's talkabout bruno.
so absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It was one of my favorite movies when I first,
when it first came out.
As someone who is actuallylatina, um, this was a movie
that represented my familyMultiple sisters All have
different talents, you know, andit's multi-generational.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So it really just hit straight to home.
Yeah, I definitely feel you onthat Because to a degree Let me
be honest with you Now that I'mthinking about it One of the
sisters, louisa.
She reminds me of my oldersister.
To where she's multi-talented.
She went to the army, she goesto these deadlifting
(02:16):
competitions, she's doing great.
But the thing is, I feel likeshe's one of those people to
where, even though she has a lotof strength, but I feel like
sometimes I got I'm, I'm youthinking like, hey, man, listen,
like don't wear yourself out,trying to live up to the
expectations that people areputting on you, because you know
(02:38):
, um, people can see that she isvery good at what she does.
But I just don't want theexpectations and the stress, you
know, because you know stresskills for real.
So sometimes when I see Louisain this film, I kind of think of
my older sister.
So if she's listening to this,just know I still got love for
(02:58):
you.
I may not talk as much, butwe'll get together whenever you
come back into town.
You know what, but you knowwhat, stebby, what I do like
about this film is how the mainthing is with the main character
, mirabelle, how she's the onethat has no gift, right?
(03:22):
And people are saying oh, ohwell, what if her gift is like
no, no, that kind of defeats thewhole purpose of her not having
a gift like.
The thing is that, um, you haveto step back and realize that
sometimes you don't need thismagical gift to be considered
special like right you don'treally need to like have some
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sort of God-given talent to dogood.
See, mirabelle did her best forthe family, even though she
wasn't as strong as Louisa.
She couldn't produce flowerslike Isabelle, she couldn't
conjure rain clouds like heraunt or, uh, talk to animals
(04:04):
like antonio.
Uh, she pretty much did thebest that she could as a normal
person, and I really hate howpeople just low-key, like
passive-aggressively, try tomake her feel bad for not having
a gift.
But she wouldn't even feel badif you know the implications you
(04:26):
know?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
oh yeah, absolutely.
Um, when in the movie in canto,when mirabelle, you know when
the miracles in danger,mirabelle has to be the one to
save it.
Now, generally speaking, ofcourse her sisters have the
powers and so does everyone else.
Um, I totally agree with youthere.
(04:50):
Mirabelle, to me, doesn't needa gift because in the end, she's
the hero of the story.
So why does the hero need agift in the end?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
right, it was bringing the family back
together, in my opinion at leastyes, that's the thing is like
she's the rock that held thefamily together, in a sense.
To where?
Uh, she's the one where youknow, with that vision, um,
bruno's vision, to where theyhad the glass shard pieces they
put together and it showed that,oh well, mirabelle was standing
(05:23):
in front of the house oncracking apart.
But, like what bruno said, thefuture, uh, it's not set in
stone.
It can change any moment andacts like a very, um, ambiguous
sign, like it could have meantanything.
So they had to revisit thatvision and this time, with
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mirabelle's help, bruno locatedthe reason, what makes, uh, her
involved in all this.
To where the whole thing is.
I like how it was actually.
Well, I won't say alma was thevillain, but it was her
expectations on her family thatwas driving wedges between all
(06:04):
the different family members.
So that's why, between louisa,um, getting weaker and low-key,
like kind of cracking under thepressure of being the girl who,
like, help people move theirstuff, because, you know, moving
a piano, moving donkeys andwhatnot, uh, everybody's like
going to her like she'ssuperwoman.
I'm like, hey, yo like, justbecause she's strong doesn't
(06:26):
mean like she's still a person,man like.
Well, I'm just saying like evensuperheroes have limitations.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I'm just saying to the generational trauma right
there.
I mean, alma had this visionthat everyone needed to be
perfect.
I mean she even said set thatdown to her children.
Like you, three need to beperfect.
And, of course, if you'retaught that for so long, your
kids, her kids, are going tostart pushing it down to their
children.
(06:55):
I E Louisa holding the familytogether, holding that rock so
it doesn't fall.
Isabella going to marry to keepthe family together so that the
gift can keep expanding.
And, of course, justMirabelle's like I'm just here,
what do you want me to do?
Oh, nothing, okay, well, I'mgonna figure it out my own way.
(07:17):
And in the end, alma's likewhat are you doing?
Why are you causing trouble?
I'm just trying to help.
Well, stop uh selby.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Are you familiar with attachment theory?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I am not speak.
I would love to hear well,here's the thing, like.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I heard about it from a friend of mine um years ago.
Essentially, there's this bookcalled attach.
Uh, you can look it up.
I got it on Amazon.
I read it.
It was great.
Essentially, attachment theoryis where how, in a nutshell, how
you were raised can affect howyou function in adulthood.
So say, for instance, there'sfour main attachment styles
(07:58):
there's secure, anxious,avoidant and fearful.
Anxious, uh, avoidant andfearful, well, dismissive, um,
and then uh, fearful.
Secure is the obvious one, towhere, if you were in a
household, to where everybodyshowed love to you and there was
like structure and nurture atthe same time, a healthy balance
(08:18):
and whatnot, chances are you'regonna grow to be a
well-balanced kid, like mentallyuh if the love was there but
they weren't that consistentabout it.
You might have an anxiousattachment to where you might be
, like some of the I've got thisuh simps.
That seems like they need toover validate themselves.
(08:44):
You know, like what I need todo to make you love me.
That's right I think, that'sanxious attachment, uh,
dismissive attachment is morelike you're this ice queen or
you like you just push peopleaway or you just kind of dismiss
other people's um feelings orwhatnot, mainly because you
(09:09):
never really had this wholehealthy relationship with your
family or parents.
And eventually that's how thenon-committal people, you know
the people who like cheating awhole lot, they just get so
detached from people because youknow they're thinking, oh well,
you're just gonna leave meanyways.
(09:29):
And that leads into fearfulavoidant, which is, I dare say,
the worst combination of anxiousand dismissive, to where it's a
game of hot and cold with them,to where they will try to cling
to you at times to make sureyou don't leave, but at the same
time they try to push you awaybecause, oh, if you get too
(09:52):
close then you're just gonnaleave.
It gets crazy, but I swear it'sa thing I should definitely
check that out.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
That seems like a really good read and will
probably explain explain a lotof things that is wrong with me
and my family so, yes, attached,uh, I could look well, I
already mentioned it, but, um,you can find it on amazon.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And, not to derail too much from the movie, yes,
like the expectations that almawas putting on not only her kids
but the grandchildren, because,keep in mind, mirabelle, louisa
and isabel, uh aregrandchildren.
So it's like every time one ofthe magicals gets a gift,
(10:41):
there's now this expectation towhere they need to, uh, be the
shining examples for thecommunity outside of the family.
So in a way, it's like there'sthis superhero family for this
community specifically, and ifthey fall anywhere short from
(11:03):
exceptional or satisfactory,then yeah, grandma's going to be
mad at you and you know nobodywant to make her mad and blah,
blah, blah, that kind of thing.
So that's the main thing, towhere it's the.
Sometimes tradition can becrushing, but tradition
shouldn't be vilified either,because it just gives us that
(11:25):
structure that you know Don'tfix something that isn't broken.
So if it works, then it works.
But at the same time it's likeyou got to loosen your grip Just
a little bit to where you gotto have this loving touch To
your family and what not,because you don't want to
Instill too much structure,structure to a point to where it
(11:47):
just feels like you're justironically pushing your family
away.
And then next thing you knowyou're like how come the kids
never call me?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
right, yeah, encanto, it was one of the best feature
films in 2021, even into 2022.
I mean, it was released as oneof the first motion pictures for
the Thanksgiving weekend of2021.
And it even went on to winAcademy Awards for Best Feature
(12:19):
Film in 2022.
And even won three LatinoAwards awards and a broadway
award as well.
So this movie just kept shiningand shining, and even today I
mean, everyone knows the song.
We don't talk about bruno wedon't talk about bruno, no, I
mean that song reached numberone in the Billboard Hot 100s
(12:43):
for Disney for like three weeks.
It surpassed Let it Go.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I mean about time.
I mean, listen, like Frozen itwas all right.
But listen, y'all need to calmdown.
It's bad enough that we'regetting a third Frozen film.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I mean, if you're into that, fine, I'm not going
to harp on it too much.
But yeah, like I don't care,like the first one was all right
, I don't need a second or athird one.
You know what I?
Mean right about in consolelike I do, like how I'm now
learning that there's gonna be atheme for attraction based on
in console that's gonna be atthe uh animal kingdom in three
(13:26):
years from now that sounds socute.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm wondering if it's possibly gonna be like a
reference to antonio's likebedroom with all the animals.
I think that'd be like such acute display.
Um, yeah, again somethingtowards antonio.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I don't think he had enough film time in my opinion
yeah, like after he got his gift, like he popped in and out,
like, say, for instance, when heshowed up in um bruno's um
little space and he wanted tohelp out um mirabelle and bruno
with the plan to try to restorethe family, and that I think it
(14:05):
was like a cougar or leopardwhatnot was trying to eat the
rats and he was like don't eatthose.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
That's my favorite scene.
I quote that scene like everyday I've got cats, so I'm like
don't eat that.
That's my scene of all times.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I love that but no, you know what?
Let's talk about Bruno for real.
Yeah, a lot of the visions thathe had for the people.
Look that could happen toanybody.
Like how he said oh, he saidthat my goldfish was going to
die.
I'm like bro.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I have no hair.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, listen, men lose their hair.
It's common for men to losetheir hair by the time they end
their 30s.
So that could happen to anyoneit just happened to you exactly,
and now you wear a toupee yourentire life.
Oh, that one guy that said, oh,he said, um, that I'm gonna
grow a gut.
I'm like hey, bro, do youexercise?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
that's why you know, what the funny part is is that
man who was saying that he has atoupee and that bruno lied,
he's actually a priest in thatcity.
So it just makes it evenfunnier and ironic that he's
like oh, Bruno's lying man.
He told me I had luscious hair.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And even with the magicals, where he predicted
that Dolores was going to fallfor a guy, that's a trollrolled
to another.
But it turned out to be likeisabel.
And then, uh, you know thewhole thing, that turns out like
isabel.
Isabel didn't even want tomarry the dude anyways it was
like oh well, it works out likehey.
Well, if you don't want tomarry isabella, then you can all
(15:37):
marry divorce I'm like yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I'm like, yeah, let's get.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah like oh, let's get married.
Whoa slow down buddy.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, so the gentleman who played Bruno is
John Leguizamo, and he's got afunny start to his whole career.
You didn't know he was activelya drag queen before everything.
He played in a couple of dragmovies.
That was fun, but I think heused some of um his past
(16:06):
experience to give bruno somepizzazz, in my opinion.
So just if you ever go intowatch the behind the scenes like
when they're in the boothtalking john leguizamo playing
bruno like he does the wholeswishiness of the cape with no
cape I think he embodied Brunoin that entire scene.
I think he even wore a bucketon his head for like a while, oh
(16:31):
yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You know what's crazy to me?
How, to this day, I still can'tbelieve that it was Stephanie
Beatrice as Mirabelle.
Because the thing is, I likeStephanie Beatrice, especially
since um Rosa Diaz from BrooklynNine-Nine I might do a
retrospective on that maybe, butI just love her range to where
(16:56):
she was recently in Haspen Hotelas Baggy I know god, like I'm
just so impressed by her.
Um, she was in modern family,uh, bob's burger was a couple
characters, uh she also did inthe heights, the newer version
of that, um.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But what's really cool is that when she sang the
song uh, looking for a miracle,did you know she was actively
going through labor at that time.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I did not know.
That's the thing.
I knew she was pregnant, but Ididn't know she was going
through labor at the time, Likewow.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, so in the middle of the song, when she's
breathing really heavily andsinging those very long like I'm
just waiting on a miracle, shewas literally in active labor
and she even admitted, like on amiracle.
She was literally inactivelabor and she even admitted,
like the moment she was donewith that song she went straight
to the hospital so that justproves that as a voice actor and
actress, you do everything andanything wow, I'm like here.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I thought I was gonna teach you something.
You're teaching me something.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I'm all down for learning new things and giving
some information that someoneelse may have not noticed but
overall, what else I can sayabout this film to where?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
yeah, the main thing about the Casita being destroyed
and what whatnot is how theyneed to reconcile the strained
relationship with the family,especially between Mirabelle and
Isabella, to where Mirabellewas always kind of like low-key,
hating on how Isabella was like, oh, you're so perfect and
(18:43):
beautiful, and blah, blah, blah.
And then Isabella was like doyou think I like all this shit,
can you?
imagine how hard it is tomaintain my beauty and to be
this perfect little princess foreverybody.
And in fact I'm a fucking mess.
And then that cat just bloomedand then she realized you know,
(19:04):
know what, I don't have to beperfect all the damn time and
like I just love that part.
You can go honestly, becausesometimes perfectionism is
another thing that's instilledin the family traumas where, uh,
your family kind of expect youto be, like you're not allowed
to make mistakes or any shitlike that.
And I'm like, bro, likeunderstand that you're just
(19:25):
looking out for me, but don'tforget, I'm human yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So isabella is actually the oldest sister and
any any latina family knows thatas the oldest sister and the
oldest sibling, they have moretribes and tribulations Than any
other sibling in the family.
They have to maintain thatEverything looks perfect.
She's got to look perfectBecause she's the person of the
(19:50):
family, she's the woman of thefamily.
So, just again, putting myshoes into the story, I'm the
last child, so I feel Maribelinside of me.
But seeing that in my ownfamily that the oldest sister is
, always I have to be perfection.
I just like this movie so muchthat it's just so like I see my
(20:15):
family into this.
And yeah, isabella definitelywas like I don't want to be
perfect and that song is amazing.
Don't get to be perfect in thatsong.
That song is amazing, don't getme started on that song.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I really love how this is one of those moves that
reminds you that you got tounlearn that perfectionism
that's been instilled in you.
Like, once again, I'm sure thatyour parents, teachers, your
elders in general they don'treally mean anything by it Like
they're not trying to bemalicious, but in a way it's
like they're kind of um beinghow can I put this?
(20:48):
It's almost like they have thisdisconnect to where you got to
remember that they're the onesgoing through something right
now.
So, even though you may havethe answers, you need to
approach them with a aura ofempathy.
(21:08):
I would say, like you gotta be,like look, I understand that
you're hurting, but I assure youthat the pain will fade in time
.
But in meantime, you gotta gothrough the um, proper processes
or whatever the case may belike.
In other words, like you gottaappeal to their humanity first
(21:31):
and then give them the guide towhere.
Here's how you can go from here.
But whenever you're ready, youcan go ahead and execute it.
Like that, it's kind of likegoing through a breakup, like
yeah, you're not gonna tell himlike hey, yo, you need to get
back out, excuse me, you need toget back out there.
I know like um, at the veryleast like hey, man, you need
(21:52):
time to yourself.
Like just um, take some time toyourself.
Like kind of process the wholething, but eventually, for the
sake of you know doing betterand whatnot you know, get back
out there.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Like I'm gonna say solid one to two months to
yourself before I would say like, okay, at least the next person
you date won't feel like, okay,you're just trying to look for
a rebound, like you actually hadtime to like collect your
thoughts and whatnot before youknow that sort of thing yeah,
and I think that's what the endof the movie definitely
(22:28):
portrayed, when um mirabelleended up running the completely
opposite direction and findingthe river and just having some
time for herself before almacame back into the picture and
was like I'm so sorry, I didn'tmean to treat you this way at
one one point.
You just kind of have to leteverything go.
Have you heard of the um thered dye cup trick?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Uh, vaguely.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
So and this was this was a great.
When I took psychology incollege, this was a great
learning experience.
You have five cups.
The first cup is the biggestcup and it has red dye in it.
As you pour, each other cup haswater in it.
As you pour the bigger cup intothe next smaller cup, the red
(23:15):
dye tends to go away.
As you keep pouring the cupsuntil the last small cup,
there's barely any dye there.
That's the generational trauma,and so that's how I see it.
At the end of the movie,mirabel went to go pour her cup
out to restart, and that's how,to me, the house got fixed, casa
got fixed, the town was backtogether, but the mountain was
(23:40):
still cut in half.
So there's still trauma there.
It's just that it's gonna takea while to get everything to get
put back together yeah, it'slike saying, uh, rome wasn't
built in a day.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It's like, yeah, you now realize the problem.
You know like how you would goto therapy, to where, okay, you
now reach a breakthrough.
You now realize, uh, wherey'all can begin, uh, reconciling
and healing from the trauma.
But it's not like, oh well, allyour problems are solved in one
day.
No, it's like it's gonna belike a everyday thing, to where,
(24:14):
to a point to where it justfeels normal that the change is
like taking place.
You know so, you'll, you'll,you can tell like how.
Let's just say that there wassome people in my past where I'd
rather not go into detail.
But let's just say I've beenthrough my own shit and now I
(24:37):
got to a point, to where, youknow what, I can look at those
moments sometimes and be likeit's kind of funny in hindsight.
I mean, in a third, like yougot almost like oh, instead of
looking at from a first personpoint of view, it's like kind of
go into a third person point ofview and be like you know what
in hindsight, I can kind of seethe humor and all this like say,
(25:00):
for instance, uh, I'm gonna saythis is like funny.
I'm not trying to make light ofit, but you know how you get
picked on in school and thenwhen you're going through it
like you don't really feel thatgood about it, but you know
years after graduating andwhatnot.
You, stepping back, you realizeyou know what.
There was.
(25:21):
Some things that got picked onwas unfair, you know, like being
a nerd, and things that I gotpicked on was unfair, you know,
like being a nerd and all that.
So that was unfair because it'snone of your business what my
hobbies are.
I like what I like.
I'm not criticizing you forwhat you like you know.
In my case, it's about what Ilike you know.
But if it was something like, ohwell, they didn't like my
(25:41):
clothing or maybe my hygienewasn't on point or whatnot, I'm
like you know what to be fair,yeah, that was on me, like I
kinda had it coming.
So, alright, yeah, yeah.
So I can't really feel badabout getting picked up for most
, except for the nerd part.
I'm like, hey man, that's notfair.
Like I like my hobbies andinterests, like be respectful,
(26:03):
all that shit other than that.
I'm like hey, man, that's notfair.
Like I, I like my hobbies andinterests, like be respectful,
all that shit other than that.
I'm like you know what, fairgame, right.
So that's what I'm saying.
Like, sometimes it takes awhile for you to realize you
know what.
I think we can finally move pastthis, now that we finally got
(26:23):
things addressed and whatnot,you know you took the time to
like fully process why thingsplaying out the way they played
out, like maybe there was likesome sort of answer that we
weren't looking into.
You know, kind of like with thevisions where we just kind of
saw that face value, that, oh,mirabelle was behind, well, in
the front of the house cracking,so she must be the reason why
(26:45):
everything's going to shit.
And I'm like, no, no, no, um,maybe you need to like take a
few steps back on, because youit's like what dave chappelle
once said you're standing tooclose to the elephant, like you
can't see the full picture ifyou're standing too close to the
skin.
You know what I mean.
So sometimes you gotta takesome steps back and realize,
okay, okay, I can see itdifferently.
(27:06):
Now I can see it, yeah yeah,and mirabelle.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Actually, she helps her family break this cycle of
this intergenerational trauma byreminding alma survival mode is
not meant to be a permanentplace, you know, and and that
life is the true generation.
So in the movie, as we getcloser to the end of it,
mirabelle begins this unlearningprocess with her family,
(27:32):
including Alma, and at the end,you know Casita.
The family home is rebuilt ondifferent values of life instead
of just surviving.
I mean, alma went through thattraumatic experience, like her
husband's gone, she's got threekids to raise.
I mean, again in her head wasjust survival.
How's my family gonna survive?
(27:53):
We're never gonna survive.
This meet a bell doesn't have agift.
We're not surviving becausethis and in the end it was like
maybe because we have each other, we don't need to survive, we
can just finally live I lovethat.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I love the themes, like how the animation was
beautiful, how therepresentation of the hispanic
latino community, um, like wepretty much said, encanto is
going to be one of those hitswhere, with Disney, I'm like you
know what Y'all all right,sometimes Fuck y'all at the
company, especially with thewhole restaurant shit where that
(28:34):
one doctor died because she'spregnant, wanted an allergen
free meal specifically, and theygave her something that had
like something that she wasallergic to.
She died and the husband wasgrieving, wanting, um, to sue
disney for that.
But oh well, you signed up fordisney plus for a free trial and
(28:55):
because the terms of service,like we can like dispute this
and blah, blah, this wholeuphill battle and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So I'm like as a company, I kind of want to go
and read those terms ofagreement, see if I can find
anything about that, because tome, what does Disney Plus have
to do with the parks?
But that's besides me.
Where's the difference there?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
so I'm like uh, uh see, as a company I'm on to
y'all, but as far as, like,making movies, it really depends
on the movie.
Like, say, for instance, insideOut, we're gonna review those
um, I won't say later on thismonth.
Uh, pretty good movies.
And then sometimes with themovies I'm like do we really
(29:40):
need this?
Like, do we really need Mufasa?
It's going to get overshadowedby Sonic 3.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, it must have.
I'm excited for that movie.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
So I'm like at least we're in concert.
I'm like this is one of yourhits.
I'll let y'all have this.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I do have to say, movies that come out on that
Thanksgiving weekend tend to bereally powerful and they tend to
get a lot of hits.
I mean, not even two yearsbefore that, frozen came out
that same weekend, moana theyear after and now Encanto, and
those are three of the mostpopular Disney Plus movies that
(30:20):
they've ever seen.
So and those are three of themost popular Disney Plus movies
that they've ever seen, so we'llsee what happens this year.
I mean, we have Moana 2 comingout.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, I got to see the trailer of that, but I am
going to watch Inside Out nextweekend because it is hitting
Disney Plus.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Oh yeah, oh man, like you should have Ah man us.
Oh yeah, oh man, like youshould have, ah man.
Like, if you ever get a chance,listen to the last nerdy news
special that we did, because,man, I was geeking when check
this out.
We did a review on incrediblesone and two not too long ago and
(30:58):
we were talking about ourspeculation for incredibles 3,
what it would be about and allthat, and then, next thing, you
know, d23 happens, incredible 3get announced, and then, next
thing you know, uh kogigasu, ourco-host, was um, reminding me
of how I kind of called that.
I'm like, well, you know, Ididn't expect um.
(31:18):
They didn't announce it liketwo months after we did the
review.
But here we are.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I promise I wasn't in that room when that happened.
That's a Hamilton joke, ifyou're needing to know that.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Oh, by the way, I just discovered Hamilton on
Disney Plus while I was watchingEncanto.
I was like flipping through.
Oh wait, hamilton's on there,okay.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I'll watch it.
Lin-manuel classic movie.
Oh, don't get me started onhamilton.
That's a whole different breedof mine yeah and oh, you know
what.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
That just reminds me how we're gonna do a whole bunch
of reviews on musicals anddisney somewhere between
November and May.
Like, may is definitely goingto have a whole bunch of
musicals, but we're pretty muchthinking about doing a whole
bunch of Disney movies, tryingto play catch up with some of
the classics anyway.
So I hope you're going to be onthe show for that.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I'm down for some oldRenaissance Disney and of course
, musicals Are my specialties.
If you say a musical, I'veprobably Been to the live
viewing of it and Top dog man,that's.
That is my thing.
Spotify is filled With justmusicals and broadways.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It would be great to have that perspective to when we
do Musical month, to where,okay, I'm going to watch the
movie and then we'll probablyslide to you or Professor Tuck,
who also, and also Cy ThomasMatch, who's been to live shows,
and they can tell us what wasyour perspective from watching
the live show compared to themovie oh yeah, most of, but yeah
(33:02):
go ahead I was just gonna askyou.
Uh, with that being said, I'mpretty much spent on talk about
the movie.
What can I say?
Five stars, like I wouldrecommend it to pretty much
anybody who will listen to me.
Uh, do you have anything youwant to add on?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
um no, I think that's it.
I also give it a five stars.
I mean that was definitely ahighlight movie.
I mean that's a movie that Iwill continue to watch, no
matter what day or what time itis.
But yeah, I recommend thatmovie for anyone who wants to
watch it.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And there you have it , dear listener, we do thank you
for listening to us to the end,and, sebi, I do thank you for
listening to us to the end.
And, sebi, I do thank you forbeing on with me, though, uh,
remember to stay nerdy and thatgreat things are coming.
We are going to go ahead andzone out of here and, before I
forget, our website, our websiteis back up and we are working
(33:57):
on it, where we're going to addsome more merch.
We're going to get some blogsgoing.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
We're going to try to make it look really good.
Super excited for that one.
We got a new blog coming.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yes, semi Phantom here is going to be one of the
people doing the blogs, so checkout zonealliancecom.
That's right, we shortened itfrom
zelosandtheirentertainmentcom.
Honestly, who feels like pipingall that shit up?
I shortened it, y'all.
Zone Alliance, boom Check usout.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
That's it.
That's all you need.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, and with that being said, I wish y'all a good
morning, a good afternoon andgood night.
Take it easy.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Adios.
Thank you you.
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