November 21, 2025 • 56 mins
A slow burn turns into a blaze. We dive into Hazbin Hotel season two with clear eyes on the pacing, the swelling songbook, and the moment the story finally bares its teeth. The hotel’s mission to prove redemption collides with Vox’s media-fueled uprising, and what starts as a PR war spirals into weaponized fear, broken alliances, and a fight that leaves scars.
We unpack Angel Dust’s most human moment yet—his past, his guilt, and the devastating brainwashing twist that forces a heartbreaking choice. From there, the action kicks into gear: a sharp rematch that lets Nifty steal scenes, Husk land killer lines, and choreography remind us how good this team is when fists and feelings fly. Along the way, we spotlight the soundtrack debate—more songs than season one but fewer instant classics—while celebrating the standouts and the smart musical callbacks that stitch seasons together.
The lore flexes hard. Serpentius, Vox, and Alastor each get rich backstory beats, but it’s Alastor’s contract gambit that detonates expectations. We follow the wordplay, the double-deal crash, and the explosive theory that Rosie’s golden magic hints at a hidden identity. Add Lucifer’s well‑meant blunders, a near-miss crossover that lingers in the margins, and a final phone call that yanks the floor out, and you’ve got a season that tests patience early and rewards attention late.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
What up, gang?
Let's talk about Hasden Hotelseason two.
And I'm gonna be honest withyou.
It was kind of slow for me inthe first half, but by the time
we got to the second half of theeight episode count, it started
to ramp up.
So as far as the five-star orfive playing rating that I gave
(00:24):
it last time on season one, Iwanna say it still got it.
It still got it.
It just one of those shows whereif it's not for you, then you
might not feel the same as I do.
But I feel like they they'regoing somewhere with it.
Like there were some theoriesthat I had that got debunked,
but then they went in adirection that I'm really
(00:48):
enjoying.
And Tenara, I thank you forbeing on with me for this
review.
So let's just go ahead and zoneright in on it.
Uh starters, Tanara, how are youfeeling about the season?
SPEAKER_05 (01:01):
Well, like you were saying, you know, it definitely
started out real slow.
Like, real slow.
I had a friend over to watch thelast two episodes that hadn't
watched the rest, so we watchedthe rest first.
And he was like, honestly, I wassort of nodding off a little bit
there at the beginning, but thenthey fucking came in and it
(01:21):
picked up fast.
unknown (01:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
Um see, that's why I'm glad I didn't set up like
doing the whole uh two episodedrop that they were doing per
week, and I was like, okay,yeah, like I can kind of
understand better what was goingon because I would have been
like disappointed if I just keptup with uh two episodes at a
time.
SPEAKER_05 (01:42):
Yeah.
Honestly, like I was like, youknow, I'm gonna stick with it
because you know, who knows,maybe it gets better, and it
fucking did.
But it was it was just like,okay, really?
This is this is what we've beenwaiting for.
Um but yeah, no, and for themost part, the music was just
not the greatest.
(02:04):
Like season one definitely didthe music better, but fucking
gravity obviously was fuckingfantastic.
Um, I've had that on my phoneand on repeat.
Um, and you know, a couple ofthe later songs as well were
were were fine, but yeah, forthe most part, season one
definitely had the better musicof the two.
(02:26):
Um and um, like you said,there's a lot of theories going
around and stuff, and a lot ofstuff got debunked, but a lot of
stuff is now sprouting upbecause of other stuff that
happened during season one orseason two, so it's like you
know, but that's how it is withlike any show, you know, there's
always gonna be theories, andsometimes some will get
(02:47):
debunked, and then others willpop up to replace those ones,
and so it's like so.
That's you know, pretty normalfor any series, I feel like.
Um but yeah, so it was it wasoverall, you know, like said,
like we both said, slow start,pretty solid finish, and of
(03:09):
course leaving us on a fuckingcliffhanger, though.
Um gotta keep that interest forseason three, so right.
SPEAKER_01 (03:17):
I mean, they already got like season three and four,
so we're really just waiting forthe boys done.
Yeah, I really want to know how,because I think they're still
trying to do a Hasman Hotel andHell of a Boss crossover.
So I'm wondering if they'regonna be like a separate
special, or is uh Hell of a Bossseason three gonna tie into Hasm
(03:39):
Hotel, or will Hasman Hotel likehave some of that Hell of a Boss
characters uh coming in?
Because at this point, whathappens in season two, it's
like, okay, the other princes ofhell and whatnot, they gotta get
involved at so.
SPEAKER_05 (03:55):
Yeah, I mean, uh, and honestly, both Leah and I
were a little surprised thatnone of them showed up because
we got the announcement beforewe got, you know, the season the
season two that Amazon now hasboth of them, so there is
possibility for crossover.
So honestly, uh Leah and I wereboth very a little confused on
(04:21):
how none of the other sinsshowed up during all this
literal hell uprising, becausethat's a pretty fucking big
deal.
So you'd think the others wouldtake notice and be like, um we
gotta go see what's going onhere and whatnot.
SPEAKER_01 (04:36):
Like the whole thing with Boggs trying to be king of
hell and whatnot, trying to takeover heaven and whatnot.
And then you're like wonder withthe other seven, with the other
six princes, excuse me, becauseit's kind of weird with Lucifer,
by the way, because on the onehand, he's one of the seven
princes, but he's the king ofhell at the same time.
SPEAKER_03 (04:53):
But yeah, like the biggest, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
But in hell of boss, like they made it look like uh
Satan was the big uh bad.
So I'm like wondering, was thewell maybe maybe it gets cleared
up later on.
SPEAKER_05 (05:06):
We we got those we saw those looks between B and um
and Ozzy when Satan was saying,you know, I ruled the dark
before the golden angels fall,and he's like, I'm in charge.
And the the look those two gave,they know they know what he was
spouting bullshit.
Well, Lucy's been gone, but he'snot the big the big dog in hell.
(05:30):
Like, no, that is that is Lucy.
He is the king of hell, he isthe leader of the sins, so yeah,
so it's it's it's just the factthat none of them showed up in
this was a little odd to us.
Um, I mean, but we did see, youknow, Val in this season had a
Robo fizzy, so that's you know,the first little thing.
(05:56):
So it's like we could we got alittle glimpse of a crossover,
but that was about it.
We were we were very surprisedabout the others not showing up.
SPEAKER_01 (06:05):
Uh shout out to Leah, by the way, but uh, since
I know she's a fan of Anastasia,uh, I was wondering, were you
and Leah surprised when thevoice actor for Anastasia Liz
Callaway was the speaker of God?
SPEAKER_05 (06:22):
The voice actor for um for Anastasia and for Odette
in The Swan Princess.
And a lot of us we were bothlike Yeah, we were like, we were
both like, oh hell yeah.
That was that was pretty cool.
It's like because you know,those are both, you know, pretty
old movies, so it's like it wascool to hear that again.
(06:45):
It was like, oh my god, okay,awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (06:48):
Another one that surprised the hell out of me was
Abel's voice actor, PatrickStump, is the lead vocalist for
Fall Eye.
Whoa, hold on.
SPEAKER_05 (06:58):
Yeah, he is.
Fuck yeah, he is.
I know.
I was like, hell yes.
SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
Uh whoa, hold on.
I'm like, okay, and he got hedid a little thing.
I'm like, okay, okay, I can hearit.
I can be like, oh shit, okay.
SPEAKER_05 (07:12):
Yeah, it's like we didn't get much singing from him
until he's telling Lou, youknow, stand the fuck down.
And that that that scene when hefinally fucking stood up to her,
I was like, fucking finally, ohmy god.
Yep, exactly.
And she was just like, oh shit,all right, I done fucked up.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (07:33):
He gave up the same energy uh from Jacob during that
last or second last Twilightmovie where he finally stood up
to Sam and became an alpha onhis own pack and whatnot.
It almost had that same energy,yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (07:48):
It was just like, yeah, no, because and you know,
he had that that bit of a freakout before he did finally stand
up to her, and it's like, ohgod, please tell me he's
actually gonna do some shitinstead of just letting this go.
And he did, so I was like, I wasvery happy about it.
SPEAKER_01 (08:03):
I'm not a fighter type like my dad.
I'm more like the politicaltype, you know, I'm more of a
passion, you know.
And then Peter was like, Oh, youknow, I just wash the door,
yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_05 (08:17):
It's like yeah, that was just I just washed the door,
man.
I don't know.
It's like this I can't be mad athim.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, no, that definitely,definitely heard that that
follow out come out during thatthat scene.
It was like, yeah, there it is.
There it fucking is.
(08:40):
Because yeah, no, I had I, youknow, seen beforehand that that
was who was voicing Abel, and Iwas like, oh, okay, this could
be interesting, and yeah, no, itdefinitely brought it out there
in the end.
Like, ah, yes.
But yeah, no, like somesurprising, you know, surprising
voice talent there.
Like, like I said, you know,both Swan Princess and um
(09:04):
Anastasia are such are there atthis point, they're they're such
old movies that it was just likehearing that again was just
like, oh, that was that wasgood.
I love that was I approve.
SPEAKER_01 (09:15):
You know what?
Speaking of musical numbers, uhwe got more, I dare say we have
more musical numbers than seasonone to where we had like okay,
there's two in the firstepisode, three in the second,
two in the third, uh, three inthe fourth, uh, another three in
the fifth, another three in thesixth, three in the seventh, and
(09:39):
one in the eighth.
So I'm like a little bit becausethe first season had like at
least two each.
So I'm like, they kind of packedit in with the uh and also even
like aside from the originalnumbers that they had, there
were like some echoes to some ofthe older songs, like uh lose
your baby and sorry.
SPEAKER_05 (10:01):
Yep, yeah, and I guess um someone had pointed out
that when Alistair was going toRosie's after quitting the the
hotel, the song he was hummingwas um Hell's Greatest Dad.
SPEAKER_03 (10:16):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (10:18):
I guess he was actually humming Lucy's part,
which that was just hilarious.
SPEAKER_01 (10:23):
They they kind of did it too uh with uh stay gone
between Alistair and Boston.
So, like, yeah, you kind of giveit a lot of all that, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (10:32):
Yep, yeah, it was it was nice to hear in like the
just like it when it was for themost part, it was mostly just
like background stuff, which wasnice to hear and like I know
that tune.
It's like oh fuck, it's thatsong from season one.
Yeah, like oh yeah, so yeah, no,it definitely was heavier on the
music, but like I said, it was abit lackluster in the music
until like towards the endthere, so yeah, like you know
(10:55):
what?
SPEAKER_01 (10:55):
Let's go ahead and talk about that real quick
because I want to say, Don't youforget, I like that one.
Like, honestly, the uh I'm gonnabe honest with you, you know
those songs that sound superDisney.
I wasn't there for that.
I I'm sorry, but I I just wasn'tthere for that.
But when you know you got thoseuh the rock songs and shit, I
was like, okay, okay, one onone.
I like it, I like it.
(11:16):
Uh I like Don't You Forget.
Uh I I think it was Fox Copperlythat was pretty good.
Okay.
Uh Losing Streak.
Love in a Bottle was okay.
Uh oh, bro, Angel does number.
Fucking uh dressed like fuckingJessica Rabbin.
SPEAKER_05 (11:36):
Yep, yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
And I like how that one dude was like, uh, I'm not
gay for liking this.
SPEAKER_05 (11:43):
Yeah, the guy at the end, like that I uh that doesn't
make me gay, does it?
I'm not gay, right?
Maybe I'm gay.
Like, oh my god.
No, no, no.
No, no, no, the whole thingthere.
SPEAKER_01 (11:52):
Nothing's gay about liking the performance.
But if you suddenly have anattraction to Angel Does for
that, then I don't know, man.
I don't know if it can help mewith that with your kids.
SPEAKER_05 (12:06):
Yep, yep.
It was like, okay, yeah, butthat was just funny going
through the whole thing.
Like that doesn't make me gay,does it?
I'm not gay.
Uh and it's like maybe I'm gay.
Just that that rambling.
It's like, yeah, that was thatwas pretty funny.
And but yeah, no, when whenAngel first came on the the
thing, and you know, we did huskdidn't see didn't see his face
(12:31):
yet, and he was like, he waslike, all right, and then he
sees you know the fucking facewhen he turned and he's like,
Angel, like what the fuck?
It's like, yeah, no.
That was that was pretty thatwas that was that was a fun
scene.
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
All right, let's go ahead and dive into the plot and
talk about the carries whilewe're at it.
Uh, so essentially with seasontwo doing some little uh
follow-off from season one wherea month after beat up the
exorcist, the hotel's populardue to this misconceived belief
that the sinners would begathered there to kill the
(13:09):
angels, but you know, Charlie'swhole thing is uh redemption.
And they were trying to provethat Serpentius uh actually
worked, and you know, he'salready up in heaven, so it was
really a matter of trying toprove that sinners can be
redeemed.
And Charlie was going out herway trying to uh replicate what
(13:32):
made Serpentius go to heaven,but uh Angel does, but like, no,
no, no.
Uh you gotta redeem from yourown sins, and we find out that
Angel does kill his dad.
I'm like, oh damn, like yeah,damn.
SPEAKER_05 (13:46):
I mean, like, I was surprised at first when you know
it was revealed that that wasAngel's big sin, but then Leah
pointed out, it's like we knewhe was in the mob, so it's like
that was not shouldn't be allthat surprising.
It's like, okay, yeah, I knowthat makes sense.
SPEAKER_01 (14:01):
That reminds me of Moxie because I keep thinking
like ever since season one ofPelba Boss, where he was like,
Oh, well, I can understand ifyou were trying to assassinate
uh City Dad or a mob boss, andthen you um watch season two,
like, oh, you know what?
(14:21):
What he said in season one makessense now, and you know, uh, to
be fair, uh, Crimson did kill uhMoxie's mom.
So it's more like one of thosethings where like he probably
really wants to take out hisdad.
So I might it's it's kind ofstrange that uh parallel in
there.
SPEAKER_05 (14:41):
Yep, yeah, no, it's like so yeah, so it's like,
yeah, no, it's it's you know, itmakes sense that you know murder
would be his big sin, becauselike said he was in the mob, and
that's sort of what they do.
So um, but yeah, it's like theyeah, but that that that whole
scene there with you knowCharlie Deween being like the
(15:04):
villain dude, whatever, and itwas like it was just Charlie
very much seemed to be more offthe rails this season than she
was in season one.
SPEAKER_01 (15:13):
Like listen, like she's still a cinnamon bum, but
yeah, like she just tweaking forthe most part.
SPEAKER_05 (15:21):
She was like tweaking even more season two,
yeah, and it's just like I andat first, you know, I I was
thinking like my favorite lineoriginally until we got to this.
My actual favorite line um wasyou know, when she was telling
Hus to get off the tracks, andhe's like, Oh great, yes, I'd
(15:43):
love to, except you tie me tothe fucking tracks, and it's
like Keith Davis had a lot offun with that one.
Um but then you know thatbecause that was I was like,
okay, I think that might be myfavorite line of this of the of
the season, and then we got umVal saying, I'm from fucking
Florida, and throwing his drink,and it's like, nope, that's my
favorite line right there.
(16:04):
Just I'm from fucking Florida.
SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
It's like talking about being very crazy with
talking about oh uh with thatyour island language.
SPEAKER_05 (16:15):
I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, like
there's a lot of places thatspeak Spanish, but like yeah,
no, and and and Leah was like,she was like, please, she was
like waiting for like a cup orsomething to be thrown at at
Vox, and then she was like, Oh,I guess it's not gonna happen.
(16:37):
And then right after she saidsaid that was that that I'm from
fucking Florida, smash, andshe's like, There it is, there
it is, I love it.
But yeah, no, it's like anduntil that happened, but until
until that happened, that umhusk's line there, I have tied
to the fucking tracks was myfavorite until until that one
(16:59):
happened.
So, but yeah, it was that thatthat was everyone's like, oh,
you know, I I've been hearing alot of stuff where people are
like, oh, you know, KeithDavid's, you know, must have
just been, you know, notenjoying himself.
And it's like, are you kiddingme?
Have you not been hearing youknow what?
SPEAKER_01 (17:19):
I love how he's getting more work between coming
back for Ricky Morty asPresident Kurt, even getting his
own spin-off based off thecharacter.
So I'm like, I'm probably happyfor Keith David getting more
work.
SPEAKER_05 (17:30):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's it's awesome seeing himmore, so yeah.
Um, but yeah, like I wassurprised, like, like I said, a
lot of people are saying, Oh,you know, he must be, you know,
not enjoying this all that much.
And it's like, you kidding?
Have you not been hearing this?
He's having a blast.
SPEAKER_01 (17:48):
Yeah, that's like Jim Carrey coming back for a
Sonic movie to where I'm like,you don't really care for
Hollywood that much, but heyman, if you gotta uh screwed up
for a new Sonic movie, he mightshow up.
SPEAKER_05 (17:59):
Yeah, like he had been fucking retired.
He was like, you know, I'mretiring, and then he comes back
for Sonic, and he's like, andthen he comes back for Sonic 2,
and then for Sonic, he's like,what the heck?
He just, you know, when you whenyou when you love what you love,
you come back for it.
Yeah, so but yeah, no, it wasjust yeah, but yeah, what else
(18:23):
is about this vlog?
SPEAKER_01 (18:25):
Uh we got Baxter, who's like uh a mad scientist
who was Trpenti's partner, Imean excuse me, uh lab partner.
Yeah, you gotta get a major bythat.
SPEAKER_05 (18:38):
Yeah, yeah.
And it was like, I know a lot ofpeople were excited for Baxter.
I guess he was in some um of thelike the old artwork and
whatnot, and so people wereexcited for him.
But it's like, yeah, he wasthere, but it didn't until the
whole hacking bit, like hewasn't really doing all that
much.
Like he helped, you know, hehelped nifty with her roach
(19:01):
band.
Um and it was it was cute seeingthem in the background doing
patty cake during a couple ofthe scenes, but it's like I feel
like um those that were really,really waiting for him might
have been a little disappointedin just how little he seemed to
really matter until the till thelike until the hacking bit.
(19:24):
Um but yeah, no, he was he wasdefinitely a very anticipated
character, and I feel like thethe next aside from Lilith, the
next really anticipatedcharacter is probably Rue.
Um the root of all evil umcharacter.
Um but yeah, it's like I feellike he was he was very much
(19:46):
anticipated, and I feel like itjust sort of for those that were
you know excitedly waiting forthat, might have been felt might
have felt a little bit let down.
SPEAKER_01 (19:58):
But you know what I wasn't let down by the Lord
drops between Serpentius,Alistair, and Vox.
SPEAKER_05 (20:06):
Now, yeah, we got a lot of fucking background in
this season.
It was like I was like, hellyes, give me more.
SPEAKER_01 (20:13):
So with Serpentius, his thing was he had a client
that he knew murder someone, andthen he pretty much let five or
supposed five other murdersslide.
And yeah, it's yeah, supposedly,but you know, Vivian said that
(20:34):
oh well, I wasn't trying to it'snot Jack the Ripper exactly, but
oh really?
SPEAKER_05 (20:39):
I didn't I didn't know she said that.
SPEAKER_01 (20:41):
No, no, she was she was trying to avoid it being
like actual based on actualpeople, you know, for like
reasons, you know.
So it's more like use yourimagination and go, okay.
Well, it looked like Jack theRipper, and if you want to say
like it could have been anybody,but with the way he was dressing
the fact that he only took womenis like okay, like and was never
(21:02):
caught.
SPEAKER_05 (21:02):
I straight okay, I did not realize she had said
that.
I straight up thought that thatwas supposed to be Jack the
Ripper.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (21:08):
No, no, not exactly.
It could have been anybody, butlike I didn't want to at least
reveal it.
So yeah, uh essentially thatthat was his thing, like he just
let murder slide when he couldhave done something about it,
and you know how he redeemedhimself, he sacrificed himself
uh for Sherry and the rest ofthe rest of the crew.
SPEAKER_03 (21:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:35):
Now Vox, I'm not even surprised by Vox.
Basically, just a dude that wastrying to climb the ladder, even
resorting to murder to get tothe top.
And then ironically, whichactually kind of funny is like
TV drops on his head, and that'show he died.
SPEAKER_05 (21:53):
I mean that fucking killed me.
I was like, huh!
SPEAKER_01 (21:56):
Yeah, but the one that surprised me the most was
Alistair's backstory and thefact that my theory of oh, I
thought Lilith was controllingAlistair.
No, no, no, it was actuallyRosie.
SPEAKER_05 (22:13):
Okay, but you know, there's a lot of theories going
around that Rosie is Lilith.
Because, you know, I mean, we wesee, you know, her chains and
her magic, they're golden, whichwe've only seen from you know
the royal family of hell.
So it's like there's a lot oftheories that she is Lilith, and
(22:33):
that's why she's so invested inthe hotel and whatnot, and why
she helped out, you know, sortof from a distance, but you
know, she lent the cannibals toher.
So it's like yeah, and so like Iknow we you know we keep seeing
glimpses of her, but we neveractually see her Lilith's face
in any of the parts, so it'slike there's a lot of theories
(22:55):
that Rosie is Lilith because alot of it is because of that
golden magic, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:02):
So you know what?
I swear to God, if you validatemy theory, I will thank you when
we see season three or four,depending on if it happens.
Because uh, I was like thinkinglike it would make so much sense
considering that okay, likeimagine Alistair, he just wanna
(23:22):
be like the strongest in hell.
Like at the very least, he was aradio host in the 30s, and he he
gave off Hira Yoshikage vibefrom uh Joe Dill Part 4, where
it's like he seemed like anormal dude, he just got this
one thing going on, which is youknow, you like to murder people
(23:43):
and worship, yeah.
Um you know, that sort of thing.
SPEAKER_05 (23:47):
Uh so it's almost like it's like I I I love
Alistair, yeah.
But it's like, and everyonebeing like, oh, you know, it he
it's got there's gotta be moreto it than you know, this person
just spilled a drink on him, andso he killed him.
It's like no, especially lateron, it's like with how he's
(24:07):
acting, it's like no, there wasno other reason other than you
know, this person spilt a drinkon him, so they he he killed
him.
It's like Alistair, he is not agood person, like at all.
So it's like it's all the peopletrying to defend and be like,
oh, you know, the the personmust have been like a maltreater
or something, or it's like, no,that's literally just you know
(24:33):
that the the reasoning forAlistair killing him is just
spilled a drink on him andstuff.
It's like he didn't he justenjoyed killing.
You know, uh hence why you knowwhen he got to hell, he just
kept on killing.
He just loves killing.
It's like so um it's like yeah,no, I I I do I do like Alistair,
(24:53):
but he is not a good person atall.
Like, and we know now it's likethe only reason he was helping
out the hotel was because of hisdeal, which whatever whatever
the deal ended up being.
Uh, I mean, obviously, you know,his the side um that was given
to him was that you know hewould be the most powerful
sinner in all hell.
(25:13):
Um but it's like we don't knowexactly what his part of the
deal was, what what it was thatRosie had him doing exactly.
Like we assume that she's thatshe's the reason he was gone for
those seven years, but we don'tknow what that reason is.
So it's like but yeah, it's it'syeah, he is just he is not he is
(25:36):
not a good person at all.
SPEAKER_01 (25:39):
So with uh Alistair, I I I love how he essentially
killed three birds at once, orat least he kind of tied three
things at once at the end, towhere how okay, you remember in
season one where he made thatdeal with Charlie, to where,
like, okay, just do me onelittle favor somewhere in the
(26:01):
future, don't worry, nobodygotta get hurt and whatnot.
And then we cashed in on it onseason two, where everything,
when uh boss thought he had itall, and we're gonna talk about
the way Fox kind of worked hisway up to the top in a moment.
But like, I just want to talkabout how with Alistair he had
this whole plan to where hechose to surrender himself to
(26:24):
Bob so that way you can make adeal with Boss where, like,
okay, I'll uh surrender myselfto you um without a fight.
In exchange, you let uh Neftyand Hunts go, and also don't lay
your hands on CharlieMorningstar.
And I love the uh the wordplayon that too, to where like, oh
(26:47):
well, I didn't hurt her, like,yeah, yeah, hold on.
But I said, Don't lay your handson her.
I'm like, you gonna get me overwork less?
Hey, hey, hey, you're the onewho um wrote the contract.
Exactly.
It was like the one favor thatuh Alistair wanted Charlie to do
was okay, you know what,Charlie?
(27:08):
Go ahead, tell him.
Tell him he's the strongestsinner in hell.
SPEAKER_05 (27:12):
The most powerful sinner, and it's like I gotta, I
gotta admit, I did not see thatcoming.
I thought it was gonna be, youknow, with the whole not laying
a hand on Charlie.
I I I I interpreted that as thesame way Vox is did, that he
wasn't allowed to hurt her.
And so I thought that was whatAlistair was going with here,
(27:34):
going towards here was just tohave you know Vox break that
deal by by just having Charliebe herself and Vox getting
frustrated and like striking heror something, and then that
would have avoided that.
But then he had fucking Charlieyou, you know, he used the deal
he made with Charlie to make hersay, you know, that Vox was the
(27:57):
most powerful sinner, and thenbreak that broke, you know, his
deal with Rosie because that washis that was his deal, was that
he would be the strongest, andhe's no longer the strongest.
It's like I did not see thatcoming.
I thought it was just gonna bebreaking the deal with Vox, but
then it broke that one, and thenhe Vox you know laid his hand on
Charlie, literally just put hishands on her shoulders and was
(28:19):
like, holy shit.
SPEAKER_01 (28:21):
And as soon as all that shit happened, not only did
he became unbound, but Rosiecame back, was like, I don't
appreciate you, uh warm yourselfout of the deal.
And I was like, Yeah, well,whatever, but uh, if you want me
to help them, uh save hell andwhatnot, the weapon going off,
or like you need to do me withthis soul and fix my staff.
(28:43):
So I'm like, so he breaks thedeal and gets full power right
after that.
So it's almost like he was onlythe quote unquote second
strongest and break the deal.
So then he will get the fullpower and be like, oh well, I'm
number one again.
SPEAKER_05 (29:02):
Yep, exactly.
And that that that scene alsowas another another reason that
I'm thinking that Rosie isLilith, because it's like if if
that that wasn't the case, whywould she do it's like why would
Rosie care that, you know, whywould she care that Alistair
(29:24):
helps anymore at that point?
So it's like, yeah, no, I I amvery firmly on the Rosie is
Lilith train at this point.
Like just every little thing,it's like okay, there's no
unless she's Lilith, there's noreason for any of this.
So it's so yeah, but yeah, no,him paying, oh you know, I can
(29:45):
just I I can just leave them be,you know, but I will help them
if you fix my fucking staff, andum, but yeah, so it's just like
yeah.
Yep, just like I said, anotherpoint towards Rosie is love.
SPEAKER_01 (30:06):
Because that would tie some things up to a point
where, like, some of the plotlines that they were going for,
like it would tie things up moreneatly that way.
So I wanna believe it, but like,okay, let's not invest too hard
until we see season three andfour.
But I want to, but um anotherthing that's unbelievable, boxes
(30:31):
rise to powers whereessentially, in typical
journalist news reporterfashion, they were twisting
Turley's words and everybodyelse's words to where, okay,
obviously the people of heavenare gonna try to strike us
again.
We need to rise up against uhthe angels of heaven and build a
(30:52):
weapon powerful enough to wipethem out.
But you know, he was trying todo this whole rally, trying to
be this uh at first, it seemedlike a nice candidate for um
leading hell, but then you kindof see that okay, uh the mask is
like slowly dropping as it goes.
SPEAKER_05 (31:13):
Uh and like he he wasn't he did not enjoy sharing
power basically with the othertwo Vs.
Like that was it.
SPEAKER_01 (31:27):
Oh, yeah, we won.
SPEAKER_05 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah, we us.
You know, trust us, uh-huh.
And it's like the you know, heshould have known, like, if Vox
were actually a smart person, hewould have seen, you know,
Alistair turning himself in,like, nah, nah, what what what
are you up to?
What's what's really going onhere?
(31:49):
And it's like, you know,Alistair being there allowed him
to sort of start driving wedgesbetween the other two and Vox.
And so it's like, and it's justyeah, it's like not a very smart
move on Vox's part, notrealizing that, you know, why is
he suddenly just giving up?
What's actually going on here?
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
And you know what's kind of crazy now thing about
it?
Uh Vox had two spies at thehotel.
At first it was fucking yeah,like the obvious one was
serpentious, but then you know,that got resolved within the uh
second episode of the firstseason.
So yeah.
But then we come to find outthat Angel Dust was being
(32:36):
hypnotized by Vox um to spy onthe hotel, and like, ugh, like
yeah, that was just like thatwas just oh my god, that was
heartbreaking.
SPEAKER_05 (32:49):
It was just oh, yeah, that was that was not a
fun time finding that shit out.
It's like it was like someJessica Jones type shit.
Yeah, it's just like I have not,no, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (33:04):
Well, uh, imagine this.
Uh imagine a superhero, butshe's going up against this
nemesis where I think they'realso lovers, but it's a weird
situation where, like,essentially uh the purple man,
played by David Tennant, by theway.
Uh he had this power tohypnotize.
(33:24):
So, in other words, like he hadher doing a whole bunch of
things that she just don'tremember.
It's like imagine being blackoutdrunk during all the murders
that he might have committed,all the um um um other
activities that he might haveyou doing, you know, while
you're hypnotized, like, ohyou're not gonna remember this.
(33:46):
I can do whatever I want withyou.
That's my thing.
SPEAKER_05 (33:50):
Yep.
That was yeah, oof, and then theleave that leading to the ending
where everyone's like, what thefuck?
Why?
Yeah, it's yeah, you know, justhim being, you know, I am a
danger to you all.
I can't, I can't go back nowthat I know you know they're
(34:12):
using me against you.
I don't want that to be a thing,so it's like I gotta, I gotta
just go with them and stay awayfrom y'all because I'm a danger
to you.
Like, oh my god, angel, why?
SPEAKER_01 (34:28):
Yep, so expect us to see the bees again.
It's gonna be uh saving privaterhyme type situation, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (34:39):
And it's like I just when when Velvet and Val both
just sort of you know rippedVox's head off and just left the
body and walked off with withyou know the TV screen head, and
he's just like, wait, wait,what?
SPEAKER_01 (34:55):
Like, I like how Val was like, uh uh, no, no, we
done, we done squash this shit.
We are done, we are out, okay?
SPEAKER_05 (35:02):
Yep, I am done with mostly yeah, exactly.
I was very surprised that theywere all just allowed to just
walk away like that.
Like, it's like obviously thesethese three are dangerous,
especially Vox.
And it's like I'm I was I wasvery surprised they were allowed
to just walk away like that.
SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
I mean, it's it's kind of like saying, Yeah, it's
fucked up, but it's not offbrand for sinners.
SPEAKER_05 (35:32):
Yeah, but like that was to the extreme.
SPEAKER_01 (35:35):
So, I mean, they had the fucking the cannon with
powered by poor Lucy, but yougotta keep in mind that some
people are still convinced thatuh the angels of heaven are
still a threat, so it's almostlike you know, and just let them
go, fuck it.
SPEAKER_05 (35:54):
Yeah, but I'm still just like uh and I just with the
with the the canon, um, youknow, when he starts start first
starts it up, Lucy's like, ohthat tickles, ha ha ha tickles,
oh bad tickles, bad tickles,these are the bad tickles.
Like, oh god.
Just using them as a battery,and it's like when when baggy
(36:16):
goes in and he is he is out ofit, he sounded like he basically
sounded like he was high whenbaggie found him.
It's like, oh my god, poor poorLucy.
SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
No, let's talk about Lucy real quick, where he was
really trying to be there forCharlie and whatnot, and Boggs
was having his campaign, andLucy showed up and had to remind
everybody, hey yo, I'm the kingof hell.
Y'all follow my word.
What the fuck y'all doing?
Um listening to him.
And then the funny thing is, uhCharlie and the angels gonna
(36:49):
show up and gonna do theirthing.
But I honestly believe that ifLucy didn't show up at all, it
would have played out the same.
It's just that with Lucy showingup, he just made it worse.
SPEAKER_05 (37:03):
Yeah, yeah, and especially when you know, um
Vaggie goes and talks to him andis like, you know, you need to
do some like divine smitinghere, this is not gonna go well.
SPEAKER_01 (37:15):
And it's like oh man, Charlie felt so hurt for an
episode.
Like, I can't believe my dadtried to antagonize the off.
And on top of that, mygirlfriend gave him the idea.
SPEAKER_05 (37:28):
The idea, exactly.
Yeah, it was just like, oh man,that was uh that was not a good
situation right there.
SPEAKER_01 (37:36):
Uh it was just it was like, okay, y'all got me in
the second half, like y'all werekind of losing in this first
time.
I'm like, whoa, hold on, likey'all don't y'all not working
with that sauce like y'all werein the first season, but then
when things started ramping up,I'm like, oh there it is.
SPEAKER_05 (37:54):
Yeah, and I liked um uh talking about you know
background stuff.
Um one of the scenes when we'rein Lucy's room, you know, you
see a pile of gifts there on thebed, and it's like, you know, we
have the the Belfagore plushie.
There was, you know, there's acouple packages there in the
colors of Osmodius.
(38:16):
There was a couple packagesthere in the colors of B.
Um, there was this there werestacks of cash with a note on it
from saying, This is a bribe,come back, mammon.
And so it's like just you know,he had those gifts from all the
other seven sins, you know,being like trying to get him to
come back and whatnot, becauseall the shit that's going on in
(38:38):
Hell of a And it's like that wasthat was a pretty cool to see.
And it's like we we paused onthat when Leah and I were
watching, we paused on that justto see what all was there.
And it's like, yeah, there'ssomething from like obviously
with the exception of Satan,from all the other sins.
And with Mammon's note, we knowthey were all like, please,
please, please come back.
(38:59):
We need you gifts.
So it's like, but yeah, no, thatthat note though on the status
of the actor, this is a bribe.
Come back.
It's like, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, so that I the amountof like background stuff is has
been fun to see.
Um, and I guess that that wouldbe technically sort of like
(39:21):
another crossover crossover sortof situation, like the Robo
Fizzy.
Um where it's just it's just alittle thing, but it gives us a
glimpse that okay, you know,they are here.
SPEAKER_01 (39:34):
So right, just loosely, like barely, like in
the cut.
SPEAKER_05 (39:40):
Yeah.
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (39:42):
So we lose the I like it's funny how he's trying
so hard to be a good dad,though.
But he as soon as he got thatphone call after the fight with
Charlie, he was like, I'mcoming, baby, I'm coming to make
things right.
And I'm like, um, what's goingon here?
Like it's like, oh no, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_05 (40:05):
And it's just like, ah, fuck.
Yeah, no, it just goes to show.
SPEAKER_04 (40:11):
I got good week.
SPEAKER_05 (40:13):
Yeah, very much so.
Like, damn.
I don't know if he he he triedto cling on to oh, this is just
Charlie, you know, having somefun for as long as he could, but
then uh, you know, Box Home islike, okay, nope, this isn't
Charlie.
I'm fucked.
I done fucking.
SPEAKER_01 (40:30):
I like how he said that wait, hold on.
You're not Charlie, like he hehad no idea who Vogue was, but
I'm like, all I know for sure isyou're not Charlie.
SPEAKER_05 (40:42):
Yeah, yeah, and like, you know, when um when uh
Vaggie went and talked to himand when she you know was
telling him, you know, youshould go do some divine smiting
situation.
She had asked, you know, do youknow Vox?
He's like, you know, I I think Ido, but you know, what about
she's like, Do you she's like,Do you not know what he's been
doing?
He's like, no idea.
(41:03):
And so it's like he he legitjust did not really know much
about Vox.
He just, you know, he had beenhearing his name, but that was
about the extent of it.
SPEAKER_01 (41:13):
Oh well, you know, he was also talking to you about
Charlie.
SPEAKER_05 (41:17):
Exactly.
He's like, what what bring thatbring that back to me again?
What was that?
What was he saying about mydaughter?
Yep, and that was when he'slike, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (41:29):
That's all he had to say.
SPEAKER_05 (41:30):
Yep, that's it's like say less, I'm there.
But yeah, like, oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (41:39):
Yeah, so oh and hold on, let's talk about the action.
Like, okay.
The one with Alistair and Bogand also Velva and Valentina,
and also us, and people.
I'm gonna call that like partone because like it feels like
there was a rematch, like, andwhen we get to the seventh,
(42:02):
well, seventh last eighthepisode where there's like a
rematch, but the first match,okay, whatever, right?
It was cool, it was kind ofcool.
But the rematch, oh man, I loveit because like nifty was doing
shit.
Mvp nifty, by the way.
SPEAKER_05 (42:20):
As as per last uh season as well, like, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (42:24):
Uh it was Hus and Sherry versus Valentino and also
uh brainwashed angel does.
I like how Angel was chokingsherry.
Um no, yeah, yeah, it wasSherry.
And Hus was like, Angel, I knowyou're in there, you know.
(42:48):
Sherry's like, hey man, we ain'twe don't got time for that power
of friendships yet.
Just slap on the head and makethem comfortable.
SPEAKER_05 (42:55):
Exactly.
It was like, yeah, no, we don'tgot time for that shit.
Just fucking do the hard reset.
SPEAKER_01 (43:02):
Yeah, and then of course, the best part Alpha
versus Box.
SPEAKER_05 (43:16):
Yep, yeah.
No, that was yeah, it was thatwas that one.
SPEAKER_01 (43:22):
And hella box where you know they they they fucking
nice with him when it comes toaction.
Like, I was waiting for thatmoment where I'm like, oh come
on, I want to see some actionpopping off.
SPEAKER_05 (43:33):
Yep, and then there it was, and yeah, it was yeah,
the fight scenes were fuckinggreat in this.
Like, damn.
SPEAKER_01 (43:43):
I love how Alistair was like throughout the whole
season, he was like, See, lookat you.
This is the shit I've beentalking about, dog.
You can't do shit withoutsomebody else helping you.
Hell, even um, that littlebackwards where Vox was a
fucking fanboy for Alistair.
SPEAKER_05 (44:02):
Well, I mean, a little bit, but there was also a
lot of manipulation tacticsgoing on there in that scene.
It was like, yeah, no, it wasit's yeah, we we see you know
Vox tear up and stuff, and it'slike, oh, poor Vox, poor Vox,
he's you know, he legit justwanted to, you know, partner up
with who he thought was it'slike no, this was all
(44:24):
manipulation tactics.
It was just like, yeah, no.
And you know, when when he puthis hand on on uh Alistair's
shoulder, and Alistair like waslike, Nope, get that hand off
me, and it was like, yeah, no,that was that was all you know
manipulative mean uh wordsmanipulation attempts.
SPEAKER_01 (44:46):
Like it was just like your radio show.
SPEAKER_05 (44:50):
Yeah, yep.
And it's just like becausethat's you know, we saw that in
his backstory, you know, he andyou know, the shaking hands,
putting hands on shoulders andstuff, you know, of all his
bosses before promptly likekilling them after he got what
he wanted from them.
So it's like, no, that was thatwas pure manipulation right
(45:11):
there.
And it's like, and I I I fellfor it at first too.
I was like, oh, you know, I dofeel I do feel bad for Vox here,
but then going back andre-watching and sort of noticing
patterns and whatnot, it waslike, no, this was just straight
up manipulation tactics, andAlistair was not falling for it.
SPEAKER_03 (45:34):
I feel like, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (45:38):
Um was there anything else that I was
thinking at all?
I mean, for the most part, likethings were like popping off
pretty good, you know.
They were just trying to provethat sinners can be redeemed,
trying to fight or uh prevent awar.
Lou was fucking pissing me offin the season to where she was
like the main one, like, nah, Ican't let that shit fly,
(46:00):
especially what happened to Adamand whatnot.
No, this is not what Lil wouldwant.
Like, that's a little thing withuh Boss.
Like, Voss was like, oh no, uh,this is what Lil would want us
to do.
Um, she would want us to rise upto uh heaven and whatnot.
But meanwhile, she's up inheaven right now, so I'm like,
uh pretty sure she doesn't wanther vacation spot being blown
(46:24):
on.
SPEAKER_05 (46:25):
Yeah, no, and it's like, and um, my bad.
Um and uh shit, I just lost mytrain of thought.
Um, oh no.
Yeah, nope, it is totally gone.
Shit.
I'm sorry.
No, it's it's just my my brainis just like, nope, we're not
(46:48):
gonna, it's like, come on, workwith me here.
Um, right, with uh with loot,it's like I I agree.
I was I was getting a littlepissed at her.
I'm like, I'm like, bitch.
And I I I had been hearing a lotof things saying that, you know,
what if loot teams up with theV's to sort of push the whole
(47:11):
hell's going to go to war withheaven just so she can, you
know, have her pound of fleshsort of situation.
I'm I'm glad that did nothappen, which it makes sense
that that didn't happen, justconsidering how much loot hates
the sinners.
Um, but yeah, no, just she wasjust hold on.
SPEAKER_01 (47:29):
I got I got a theory behind that.
Well, I don't know if it's gonnaactually happen, but here's the
deal.
Like, I agree with you, but atthe same time, I believe that
with the way things are going.
I mean, the fact of the matteris that uh Abel es simply took
her job, so it's like they wereclowning her for practically
being demoted.
So it's more like the more shegets pushed to the back burner
(47:54):
and whatnot, I feel like it'sgonna get to a point where she's
gonna get so desperate to try toavenge Adam and whatnot, it's
gonna get to a point where she'sgonna get so desperate that she
might become a fallen angel andthen team buckle the bees.
SPEAKER_05 (48:14):
I yeah, I saw a lot about that as well.
People expecting that she wasgonna become a fallen angel in
this season, and it's likeobviously that didn't happen
stuff.
So, yeah, maybe you know, if shedoes become fallen in the next
season, maybe that could stillhappen with her teaming up with
them.
But we'll we'll have to wait andsee, you know, what exactly
(48:34):
happens and whatnot.
But yeah, I was just like, yeah,that loot was just it was like
Chica, calm the fuck down.
SPEAKER_01 (48:44):
And that's the thing too, because I don't know how it
will work exactly, but with lootworking with the bees now, the
bees want to take over heaven,so they're gonna need somebody
to make sure that the sinners inhell stays in line.
And considering that Lucifer,the king of hell, can't punish
(49:06):
sinners, at least not directly.
SPEAKER_05 (49:10):
That's a little odd, but yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:13):
But Lu obviously can, so it'll be more like Wu
would probably be the one to belike, all right, I'm gonna keep
all the sinners in line becauseI hate them anyways.
SPEAKER_05 (49:25):
So yeah, exactly.
So but yeah, it's like there's alot of speculation going on
about a lot of stuff, but youknow, we're gonna have to just
wait and see what happens, youknow, when when we finally get
season three, whenever that'llbe.
So um, but yeah, it's just likeit was a lot of lot there's a
(49:48):
lot of theories and whatnot, anda lot of them, again, like I
said, did not come to fruition.
So it's we'll we'll see whathappens in season three.
Um, because like like you weresaying, maybe that's what that's
that'll be, you know, the partof season three is loot falling
and then teaming up with theV's.
So it's like we'll have to see.
I guess I guess uh Viv has saidthat Vox is still gonna be like
(50:12):
the main antagonist of seasonthree, so it's like okay, we'll
see what happens.
SPEAKER_01 (50:18):
Oh shit.
There's a five-season plan forthe show now.
SPEAKER_05 (50:23):
Five shit.
Last I heard it was they theyhad just season three and four.
SPEAKER_01 (50:28):
I'm I'm reading it now.
We're in back in September, uhBaby acknowledged that the first
season had issues with thenarrative runtime, uh, process
of telling first season storywithin the show's set
limitations was described by heras borderline impossible during
production.
Although she remained proud ofhis final look, she stated that
the second season would haveimproved the pace and narrative,
(50:50):
which it did.
And his story was described asbeing simpler than the first
season, with all the episodesbeing longer than 20 minutes
because it was like almost asolid three.
And she also stated that thereis a five-season plan for the
show.
SPEAKER_05 (51:05):
Okay, cool.
Well, that'll that'll keep usbusy for a long time.
Consider, I mean, because it waslike two years basically between
season one and two.
So we gotta we and we gotta awhile till season three, and
then two more after that.
Sweet, okay, cool.
SPEAKER_01 (51:21):
And there is the final season for uh hell of a
ball.
So I'm gonna say I will I wouldbelieve if just uh finish up
hell of a boss and then focus onHasman Hotel after that because
at that point, all the budgetwould be going towards Hasman
Hotel after that.
SPEAKER_05 (51:37):
Yeah, once I mean, not to assume too much, but like
now that uh Hell of a Boss isdone, it's like okay, they can
focus more on Hasman Hotel,yeah, instead of being split
between the two, which I gottasay, I know you know Hasman
Hotel was like the main projectfrom the get-go, and Hell of a
(51:58):
Boss was just sort of a sideproject, but it's like honestly,
out of the two, I do prefer Hellof a Boss, and I know a lot of
people share that sentiment.
It's just, you know, because wehad so long between the the
pilot and when we actually, youknow, got confirmation that hey,
this is actually going to bemade into a show.
Um definitely took over.
SPEAKER_01 (52:24):
Wow, I'm just saying.
SPEAKER_05 (52:26):
Yeah, yep.
So but yeah, no, and then youknow, and then and then the
fucking like said, cliffhangerending there, where it's like
Charlie had just called her momand got, you know, it went to
voicemail again, and now thewhole, you know, this this
person either unavailable oravoiding you.
It's like, damn, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (52:48):
And then at the end, and okay, you finally let that
final boy's mail, like, okay,you know what, don't worry about
all the other boys' mail,everything's all good.
You know, and I hope to see yousoon.
SPEAKER_05 (52:59):
And then she got a call back like, oh, hold on,
like right away, and and sheanswers just like mom, and then
it fucking ends.
Like, god damn it.
Damn clip hangers.
So, yeah, that was like, oh mygod.
I wanna know.
SPEAKER_01 (53:18):
So I'm trying to see if there was uh update on season
three uh balls.
No, I don't think so.
Nah, but uh pretty sure we knowfor sure that there's gonna be
one more season of that.
Yeah, I just don't know when.
SPEAKER_05 (53:41):
Yeah, it's just it's just a matter of time, so yeah.
But it'll be see interestingseeing where they go from here,
so was there anything else aboutseason two that you wanted to
talk about?
SPEAKER_02 (53:58):
Anything that we didn't um hit on?
SPEAKER_05 (54:01):
I think that was that's about it.
Um we covered, you know, most ofthe stuff, so yeah, I think that
was that's about it for me, soyeah.
SPEAKER_01 (54:18):
I mean, I I still like has been hotel.
I I still love it.
I did the main thing was yeah,like the first half of the
second season, I understand thatit was just build up for what
was gonna happen in the secondhalf, so I get it, but like they
just kind of really was doublingdown on the musical numbers, and
(54:40):
half of them were okay, just notfor me.
And then some of them are okay,hold on, it's gonna go kind of
hard.
SPEAKER_05 (54:48):
Yeah, like I said, like there was it the second
season was more music-centric,but the music just wasn't for
the most part, wasn't as good asseason one, so at least in my
opinion.
SPEAKER_01 (55:03):
It's almost like, whoa, hold on, you're throwing a
little too many musical numbersat once.
Let us process some of thembecause uh sees uh I'm looking
at the wiki right now, and noneof them have their own page just
yet.
But if you go back to seasonone, uh, you got hell's greatest
dad, poison, loser baby, uh staygone.
(55:27):
They got their own page, so itwas like, okay, we had enough
time to like process all thedifferent songs that was in
there zone, R.
So I mean, still, I didn't hateany of the songs, just half of
them just not for me.
SPEAKER_05 (55:46):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Like, they weren't necessarilybad, it was just sort of like
eh.
SPEAKER_01 (55:53):
So, but yeah, I am spent.
I still give Hasmotell a fiveout of five because it
definitely keeps you wantingmore, whether it's like the
action, the lore, therelationship, drama, and all
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that uh intrigue and mysterybehind it all.
I yes, I I want more.
Please, sir, may I have somemore?
SPEAKER_05 (56:23):
Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (56:26):
Well, with that being said, Tanara, thank you
for being on the show with me.
And to listener, thank you forlistening to us to the end.
Uh, go ahead and take it easy.
Have yourself a good morning,good afternoon, good evening,
good night.
Ultimately, you stay nerdy, youstay nostalgic, and stay tuned
for more nerdy news and reviews.
What up, gang?
Let's talk about Hasden Hotelseason two.
And I'm gonna be honest withyou.
It was kind of slow for me inthe first half, but by the time
we got to the second half of theeight episode count, it started
to ramp up.
So as far as the five-star orfive playing rating that I gave
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it last time on season one, Iwanna say it still got it.
It still got it.
It just one of those shows whereif it's not for you, then you
might not feel the same as I do.
But I feel like they they'regoing somewhere with it.
Like there were some theoriesthat I had that got debunked,
but then they went in adirection that I'm really
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enjoying.
And Tenara, I thank you forbeing on with me for this
review.
So let's just go ahead and zoneright in on it.
Uh starters, Tanara, how are youfeeling about the season?
SPEAKER_05 (01:01):
Well, like you were saying, you know, it definitely
started out real slow.
Like, real slow.
I had a friend over to watch thelast two episodes that hadn't
watched the rest, so we watchedthe rest first.
And he was like, honestly, I wassort of nodding off a little bit
there at the beginning, but thenthey fucking came in and it
(01:21):
picked up fast.
unknown (01:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
Um see, that's why I'm glad I didn't set up like
doing the whole uh two episodedrop that they were doing per
week, and I was like, okay,yeah, like I can kind of
understand better what was goingon because I would have been
like disappointed if I just keptup with uh two episodes at a
time.
SPEAKER_05 (01:42):
Yeah.
Honestly, like I was like, youknow, I'm gonna stick with it
because you know, who knows,maybe it gets better, and it
fucking did.
But it was it was just like,okay, really?
This is this is what we've beenwaiting for.
Um but yeah, no, and for themost part, the music was just
not the greatest.
(02:04):
Like season one definitely didthe music better, but fucking
gravity obviously was fuckingfantastic.
Um, I've had that on my phoneand on repeat.
Um, and you know, a couple ofthe later songs as well were
were were fine, but yeah, forthe most part, season one
definitely had the better musicof the two.
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Um and um, like you said,there's a lot of theories going
around and stuff, and a lot ofstuff got debunked, but a lot of
stuff is now sprouting upbecause of other stuff that
happened during season one orseason two, so it's like you
know, but that's how it is withlike any show, you know, there's
always gonna be theories, andsometimes some will get
(02:47):
debunked, and then others willpop up to replace those ones,
and so it's like so.
That's you know, pretty normalfor any series, I feel like.
Um but yeah, so it was it wasoverall, you know, like said,
like we both said, slow start,pretty solid finish, and of
(03:09):
course leaving us on a fuckingcliffhanger, though.
Um gotta keep that interest forseason three, so right.
SPEAKER_01 (03:17):
I mean, they already got like season three and four,
so we're really just waiting forthe boys done.
Yeah, I really want to know how,because I think they're still
trying to do a Hasman Hotel andHell of a Boss crossover.
So I'm wondering if they'regonna be like a separate
special, or is uh Hell of a Bossseason three gonna tie into Hasm
(03:39):
Hotel, or will Hasman Hotel likehave some of that Hell of a Boss
characters uh coming in?
Because at this point, whathappens in season two, it's
like, okay, the other princes ofhell and whatnot, they gotta get
involved at so.
SPEAKER_05 (03:55):
Yeah, I mean, uh, and honestly, both Leah and I
were a little surprised thatnone of them showed up because
we got the announcement beforewe got, you know, the season the
season two that Amazon now hasboth of them, so there is
possibility for crossover.
So honestly, uh Leah and I wereboth very a little confused on
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how none of the other sinsshowed up during all this
literal hell uprising, becausethat's a pretty fucking big
deal.
So you'd think the others wouldtake notice and be like, um we
gotta go see what's going onhere and whatnot.
SPEAKER_01 (04:36):
Like the whole thing with Boggs trying to be king of
hell and whatnot, trying to takeover heaven and whatnot.
And then you're like wonder withthe other seven, with the other
six princes, excuse me, becauseit's kind of weird with Lucifer,
by the way, because on the onehand, he's one of the seven
princes, but he's the king ofhell at the same time.
SPEAKER_03 (04:53):
But yeah, like the biggest, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
But in hell of boss, like they made it look like uh
Satan was the big uh bad.
So I'm like wondering, was thewell maybe maybe it gets cleared
up later on.
SPEAKER_05 (05:06):
We we got those we saw those looks between B and um
and Ozzy when Satan was saying,you know, I ruled the dark
before the golden angels fall,and he's like, I'm in charge.
And the the look those two gave,they know they know what he was
spouting bullshit.
Well, Lucy's been gone, but he'snot the big the big dog in hell.
(05:30):
Like, no, that is that is Lucy.
He is the king of hell, he isthe leader of the sins, so yeah,
so it's it's it's just the factthat none of them showed up in
this was a little odd to us.
Um, I mean, but we did see, youknow, Val in this season had a
Robo fizzy, so that's you know,the first little thing.
(05:56):
So it's like we could we got alittle glimpse of a crossover,
but that was about it.
We were we were very surprisedabout the others not showing up.
SPEAKER_01 (06:05):
Uh shout out to Leah, by the way, but uh, since
I know she's a fan of Anastasia,uh, I was wondering, were you
and Leah surprised when thevoice actor for Anastasia Liz
Callaway was the speaker of God?
SPEAKER_05 (06:22):
The voice actor for um for Anastasia and for Odette
in The Swan Princess.
And a lot of us we were bothlike Yeah, we were like, we were
both like, oh hell yeah.
That was that was pretty cool.
It's like because you know,those are both, you know, pretty
old movies, so it's like it wascool to hear that again.
(06:45):
It was like, oh my god, okay,awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (06:48):
Another one that surprised the hell out of me was
Abel's voice actor, PatrickStump, is the lead vocalist for
Fall Eye.
Whoa, hold on.
SPEAKER_05 (06:58):
Yeah, he is.
Fuck yeah, he is.
I know.
I was like, hell yes.
SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
Uh whoa, hold on.
I'm like, okay, and he got hedid a little thing.
I'm like, okay, okay, I can hearit.
I can be like, oh shit, okay.
SPEAKER_05 (07:12):
Yeah, it's like we didn't get much singing from him
until he's telling Lou, youknow, stand the fuck down.
And that that that scene when hefinally fucking stood up to her,
I was like, fucking finally, ohmy god.
Yep, exactly.
And she was just like, oh shit,all right, I done fucked up.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (07:33):
He gave up the same energy uh from Jacob during that
last or second last Twilightmovie where he finally stood up
to Sam and became an alpha onhis own pack and whatnot.
It almost had that same energy,yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (07:48):
It was just like, yeah, no, because and you know,
he had that that bit of a freakout before he did finally stand
up to her, and it's like, ohgod, please tell me he's
actually gonna do some shitinstead of just letting this go.
And he did, so I was like, I wasvery happy about it.
SPEAKER_01 (08:03):
I'm not a fighter type like my dad.
I'm more like the politicaltype, you know, I'm more of a
passion, you know.
And then Peter was like, Oh, youknow, I just wash the door,
yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_05 (08:17):
It's like yeah, that was just I just washed the door,
man.
I don't know.
It's like this I can't be mad athim.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, no, that definitely,definitely heard that that
follow out come out during thatthat scene.
It was like, yeah, there it is.
There it fucking is.
(08:40):
Because yeah, no, I had I, youknow, seen beforehand that that
was who was voicing Abel, and Iwas like, oh, okay, this could
be interesting, and yeah, no, itdefinitely brought it out there
in the end.
Like, ah, yes.
But yeah, no, like somesurprising, you know, surprising
voice talent there.
Like, like I said, you know,both Swan Princess and um
(09:04):
Anastasia are such are there atthis point, they're they're such
old movies that it was just likehearing that again was just
like, oh, that was that wasgood.
I love that was I approve.
SPEAKER_01 (09:15):
You know what?
Speaking of musical numbers, uhwe got more, I dare say we have
more musical numbers than seasonone to where we had like okay,
there's two in the firstepisode, three in the second,
two in the third, uh, three inthe fourth, uh, another three in
the fifth, another three in thesixth, three in the seventh, and
(09:39):
one in the eighth.
So I'm like a little bit becausethe first season had like at
least two each.
So I'm like, they kind of packedit in with the uh and also even
like aside from the originalnumbers that they had, there
were like some echoes to some ofthe older songs, like uh lose
your baby and sorry.
SPEAKER_05 (10:01):
Yep, yeah, and I guess um someone had pointed out
that when Alistair was going toRosie's after quitting the the
hotel, the song he was hummingwas um Hell's Greatest Dad.
SPEAKER_03 (10:16):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (10:18):
I guess he was actually humming Lucy's part,
which that was just hilarious.
SPEAKER_01 (10:23):
They they kind of did it too uh with uh stay gone
between Alistair and Boston.
So, like, yeah, you kind of giveit a lot of all that, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (10:32):
Yep, yeah, it was it was nice to hear in like the
just like it when it was for themost part, it was mostly just
like background stuff, which wasnice to hear and like I know
that tune.
It's like oh fuck, it's thatsong from season one.
Yeah, like oh yeah, so yeah, no,it definitely was heavier on the
music, but like I said, it was abit lackluster in the music
until like towards the endthere, so yeah, like you know
(10:55):
what?
SPEAKER_01 (10:55):
Let's go ahead and talk about that real quick
because I want to say, Don't youforget, I like that one.
Like, honestly, the uh I'm gonnabe honest with you, you know
those songs that sound superDisney.
I wasn't there for that.
I I'm sorry, but I I just wasn'tthere for that.
But when you know you got thoseuh the rock songs and shit, I
was like, okay, okay, one onone.
I like it, I like it.
(11:16):
Uh I like Don't You Forget.
Uh I I think it was Fox Copperlythat was pretty good.
Okay.
Uh Losing Streak.
Love in a Bottle was okay.
Uh oh, bro, Angel does number.
Fucking uh dressed like fuckingJessica Rabbin.
SPEAKER_05 (11:36):
Yep, yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
And I like how that one dude was like, uh, I'm not
gay for liking this.
SPEAKER_05 (11:43):
Yeah, the guy at the end, like that I uh that doesn't
make me gay, does it?
I'm not gay, right?
Maybe I'm gay.
Like, oh my god.
No, no, no.
No, no, no, the whole thingthere.
SPEAKER_01 (11:52):
Nothing's gay about liking the performance.
But if you suddenly have anattraction to Angel Does for
that, then I don't know, man.
I don't know if it can help mewith that with your kids.
SPEAKER_05 (12:06):
Yep, yep.
It was like, okay, yeah, butthat was just funny going
through the whole thing.
Like that doesn't make me gay,does it?
I'm not gay.
Uh and it's like maybe I'm gay.
Just that that rambling.
It's like, yeah, that was thatwas pretty funny.
And but yeah, no, when whenAngel first came on the the
thing, and you know, we did huskdidn't see didn't see his face
(12:31):
yet, and he was like, he waslike, all right, and then he
sees you know the fucking facewhen he turned and he's like,
Angel, like what the fuck?
It's like, yeah, no.
That was that was pretty thatwas that was that was a fun
scene.
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
All right, let's go ahead and dive into the plot and
talk about the carries whilewe're at it.
Uh, so essentially with seasontwo doing some little uh
follow-off from season one wherea month after beat up the
exorcist, the hotel's populardue to this misconceived belief
that the sinners would begathered there to kill the
(13:09):
angels, but you know, Charlie'swhole thing is uh redemption.
And they were trying to provethat Serpentius uh actually
worked, and you know, he'salready up in heaven, so it was
really a matter of trying toprove that sinners can be
redeemed.
And Charlie was going out herway trying to uh replicate what
(13:32):
made Serpentius go to heaven,but uh Angel does, but like, no,
no, no.
Uh you gotta redeem from yourown sins, and we find out that
Angel does kill his dad.
I'm like, oh damn, like yeah,damn.
SPEAKER_05 (13:46):
I mean, like, I was surprised at first when you know
it was revealed that that wasAngel's big sin, but then Leah
pointed out, it's like we knewhe was in the mob, so it's like
that was not shouldn't be allthat surprising.
It's like, okay, yeah, I knowthat makes sense.
SPEAKER_01 (14:01):
That reminds me of Moxie because I keep thinking
like ever since season one ofPelba Boss, where he was like,
Oh, well, I can understand ifyou were trying to assassinate
uh City Dad or a mob boss, andthen you um watch season two,
like, oh, you know what?
(14:21):
What he said in season one makessense now, and you know, uh, to
be fair, uh, Crimson did kill uhMoxie's mom.
So it's more like one of thosethings where like he probably
really wants to take out hisdad.
So I might it's it's kind ofstrange that uh parallel in
there.
SPEAKER_05 (14:41):
Yep, yeah, no, it's like so yeah, so it's like,
yeah, no, it's it's you know, itmakes sense that you know murder
would be his big sin, becauselike said he was in the mob, and
that's sort of what they do.
So um, but yeah, it's like theyeah, but that that that whole
scene there with you knowCharlie Deween being like the
(15:04):
villain dude, whatever, and itwas like it was just Charlie
very much seemed to be more offthe rails this season than she
was in season one.
SPEAKER_01 (15:13):
Like listen, like she's still a cinnamon bum, but
yeah, like she just tweaking forthe most part.
SPEAKER_05 (15:21):
She was like tweaking even more season two,
yeah, and it's just like I andat first, you know, I I was
thinking like my favorite lineoriginally until we got to this.
My actual favorite line um wasyou know, when she was telling
Hus to get off the tracks, andhe's like, Oh great, yes, I'd
(15:43):
love to, except you tie me tothe fucking tracks, and it's
like Keith Davis had a lot offun with that one.
Um but then you know thatbecause that was I was like,
okay, I think that might be myfavorite line of this of the of
the season, and then we got umVal saying, I'm from fucking
Florida, and throwing his drink,and it's like, nope, that's my
favorite line right there.
(16:04):
Just I'm from fucking Florida.
SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
It's like talking about being very crazy with
talking about oh uh with thatyour island language.
SPEAKER_05 (16:15):
I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, like
there's a lot of places thatspeak Spanish, but like yeah,
no, and and and Leah was like,she was like, please, she was
like waiting for like a cup orsomething to be thrown at at
Vox, and then she was like, Oh,I guess it's not gonna happen.
(16:37):
And then right after she saidsaid that was that that I'm from
fucking Florida, smash, andshe's like, There it is, there
it is, I love it.
But yeah, no, it's like anduntil that happened, but until
until that happened, that umhusk's line there, I have tied
to the fucking tracks was myfavorite until until that one
(16:59):
happened.
So, but yeah, it was that thatthat was everyone's like, oh,
you know, I I've been hearing alot of stuff where people are
like, oh, you know, KeithDavid's, you know, must have
just been, you know, notenjoying himself.
And it's like, are you kiddingme?
Have you not been hearing youknow what?
SPEAKER_01 (17:19):
I love how he's getting more work between coming
back for Ricky Morty asPresident Kurt, even getting his
own spin-off based off thecharacter.
So I'm like, I'm probably happyfor Keith David getting more
work.
SPEAKER_05 (17:30):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's it's awesome seeing himmore, so yeah.
Um, but yeah, like I wassurprised, like, like I said, a
lot of people are saying, Oh,you know, he must be, you know,
not enjoying this all that much.
And it's like, you kidding?
Have you not been hearing this?
He's having a blast.
SPEAKER_01 (17:48):
Yeah, that's like Jim Carrey coming back for a
Sonic movie to where I'm like,you don't really care for
Hollywood that much, but heyman, if you gotta uh screwed up
for a new Sonic movie, he mightshow up.
SPEAKER_05 (17:59):
Yeah, like he had been fucking retired.
He was like, you know, I'mretiring, and then he comes back
for Sonic, and he's like, andthen he comes back for Sonic 2,
and then for Sonic, he's like,what the heck?
He just, you know, when you whenyou when you love what you love,
you come back for it.
Yeah, so but yeah, no, it wasjust yeah, but yeah, what else
(18:23):
is about this vlog?
SPEAKER_01 (18:25):
Uh we got Baxter, who's like uh a mad scientist
who was Trpenti's partner, Imean excuse me, uh lab partner.
Yeah, you gotta get a major bythat.
SPEAKER_05 (18:38):
Yeah, yeah.
And it was like, I know a lot ofpeople were excited for Baxter.
I guess he was in some um of thelike the old artwork and
whatnot, and so people wereexcited for him.
But it's like, yeah, he wasthere, but it didn't until the
whole hacking bit, like hewasn't really doing all that
much.
Like he helped, you know, hehelped nifty with her roach
(19:01):
band.
Um and it was it was cute seeingthem in the background doing
patty cake during a couple ofthe scenes, but it's like I feel
like um those that were really,really waiting for him might
have been a little disappointedin just how little he seemed to
really matter until the till thelike until the hacking bit.
(19:24):
Um but yeah, no, he was he wasdefinitely a very anticipated
character, and I feel like thethe next aside from Lilith, the
next really anticipatedcharacter is probably Rue.
Um the root of all evil umcharacter.
Um but yeah, it's like I feellike he was he was very much
(19:46):
anticipated, and I feel like itjust sort of for those that were
you know excitedly waiting forthat, might have been felt might
have felt a little bit let down.
SPEAKER_01 (19:58):
But you know what I wasn't let down by the Lord
drops between Serpentius,Alistair, and Vox.
SPEAKER_05 (20:06):
Now, yeah, we got a lot of fucking background in
this season.
It was like I was like, hellyes, give me more.
SPEAKER_01 (20:13):
So with Serpentius, his thing was he had a client
that he knew murder someone, andthen he pretty much let five or
supposed five other murdersslide.
And yeah, it's yeah, supposedly,but you know, Vivian said that
(20:34):
oh well, I wasn't trying to it'snot Jack the Ripper exactly, but
oh really?
SPEAKER_05 (20:39):
I didn't I didn't know she said that.
SPEAKER_01 (20:41):
No, no, she was she was trying to avoid it being
like actual based on actualpeople, you know, for like
reasons, you know.
So it's more like use yourimagination and go, okay.
Well, it looked like Jack theRipper, and if you want to say
like it could have been anybody,but with the way he was dressing
the fact that he only took womenis like okay, like and was never
(21:02):
caught.
SPEAKER_05 (21:02):
I straight okay, I did not realize she had said
that.
I straight up thought that thatwas supposed to be Jack the
Ripper.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (21:08):
No, no, not exactly.
It could have been anybody, butlike I didn't want to at least
reveal it.
So yeah, uh essentially thatthat was his thing, like he just
let murder slide when he couldhave done something about it,
and you know how he redeemedhimself, he sacrificed himself
uh for Sherry and the rest ofthe rest of the crew.
SPEAKER_03 (21:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:35):
Now Vox, I'm not even surprised by Vox.
Basically, just a dude that wastrying to climb the ladder, even
resorting to murder to get tothe top.
And then ironically, whichactually kind of funny is like
TV drops on his head, and that'show he died.
SPEAKER_05 (21:53):
I mean that fucking killed me.
I was like, huh!
SPEAKER_01 (21:56):
Yeah, but the one that surprised me the most was
Alistair's backstory and thefact that my theory of oh, I
thought Lilith was controllingAlistair.
No, no, no, it was actuallyRosie.
SPEAKER_05 (22:13):
Okay, but you know, there's a lot of theories going
around that Rosie is Lilith.
Because, you know, I mean, we wesee, you know, her chains and
her magic, they're golden, whichwe've only seen from you know
the royal family of hell.
So it's like there's a lot oftheories that she is Lilith, and
(22:33):
that's why she's so invested inthe hotel and whatnot, and why
she helped out, you know, sortof from a distance, but you
know, she lent the cannibals toher.
So it's like yeah, and so like Iknow we you know we keep seeing
glimpses of her, but we neveractually see her Lilith's face
in any of the parts, so it'slike there's a lot of theories
(22:55):
that Rosie is Lilith because alot of it is because of that
golden magic, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:02):
So you know what?
I swear to God, if you validatemy theory, I will thank you when
we see season three or four,depending on if it happens.
Because uh, I was like thinkinglike it would make so much sense
considering that okay, likeimagine Alistair, he just wanna
(23:22):
be like the strongest in hell.
Like at the very least, he was aradio host in the 30s, and he he
gave off Hira Yoshikage vibefrom uh Joe Dill Part 4, where
it's like he seemed like anormal dude, he just got this
one thing going on, which is youknow, you like to murder people
(23:43):
and worship, yeah.
Um you know, that sort of thing.
SPEAKER_05 (23:47):
Uh so it's almost like it's like I I I love
Alistair, yeah.
But it's like, and everyonebeing like, oh, you know, it he
it's got there's gotta be moreto it than you know, this person
just spilled a drink on him, andso he killed him.
It's like no, especially lateron, it's like with how he's
(24:07):
acting, it's like no, there wasno other reason other than you
know, this person spilt a drinkon him, so they he he killed
him.
It's like Alistair, he is not agood person, like at all.
So it's like it's all the peopletrying to defend and be like,
oh, you know, the the personmust have been like a maltreater
or something, or it's like, no,that's literally just you know
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that the the reasoning forAlistair killing him is just
spilled a drink on him andstuff.
It's like he didn't he justenjoyed killing.
You know, uh hence why you knowwhen he got to hell, he just
kept on killing.
He just loves killing.
It's like so um it's like yeah,no, I I I do I do like Alistair,
(24:53):
but he is not a good person atall.
Like, and we know now it's likethe only reason he was helping
out the hotel was because of hisdeal, which whatever whatever
the deal ended up being.
Uh, I mean, obviously, you know,his the side um that was given
to him was that you know hewould be the most powerful
sinner in all hell.
(25:13):
Um but it's like we don't knowexactly what his part of the
deal was, what what it was thatRosie had him doing exactly.
Like we assume that she's thatshe's the reason he was gone for
those seven years, but we don'tknow what that reason is.
So it's like but yeah, it's it'syeah, he is just he is not he is
(25:36):
not a good person at all.
SPEAKER_01 (25:39):
So with uh Alistair, I I I love how he essentially
killed three birds at once, orat least he kind of tied three
things at once at the end, towhere how okay, you remember in
season one where he made thatdeal with Charlie, to where,
like, okay, just do me onelittle favor somewhere in the
(26:01):
future, don't worry, nobodygotta get hurt and whatnot.
And then we cashed in on it onseason two, where everything,
when uh boss thought he had itall, and we're gonna talk about
the way Fox kind of worked hisway up to the top in a moment.
But like, I just want to talkabout how with Alistair he had
this whole plan to where hechose to surrender himself to
(26:24):
Bob so that way you can make adeal with Boss where, like,
okay, I'll uh surrender myselfto you um without a fight.
In exchange, you let uh Neftyand Hunts go, and also don't lay
your hands on CharlieMorningstar.
And I love the uh the wordplayon that too, to where like, oh
(26:47):
well, I didn't hurt her, like,yeah, yeah, hold on.
But I said, Don't lay your handson her.
I'm like, you gonna get me overwork less?
Hey, hey, hey, you're the onewho um wrote the contract.
Exactly.
It was like the one favor thatuh Alistair wanted Charlie to do
was okay, you know what,Charlie?
(27:08):
Go ahead, tell him.
Tell him he's the strongestsinner in hell.
SPEAKER_05 (27:12):
The most powerful sinner, and it's like I gotta, I
gotta admit, I did not see thatcoming.
I thought it was gonna be, youknow, with the whole not laying
a hand on Charlie.
I I I I interpreted that as thesame way Vox is did, that he
wasn't allowed to hurt her.
And so I thought that was whatAlistair was going with here,
(27:34):
going towards here was just tohave you know Vox break that
deal by by just having Charliebe herself and Vox getting
frustrated and like striking heror something, and then that
would have avoided that.
But then he had fucking Charlieyou, you know, he used the deal
he made with Charlie to make hersay, you know, that Vox was the
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most powerful sinner, and thenbreak that broke, you know, his
deal with Rosie because that washis that was his deal, was that
he would be the strongest, andhe's no longer the strongest.
It's like I did not see thatcoming.
I thought it was just gonna bebreaking the deal with Vox, but
then it broke that one, and thenhe Vox you know laid his hand on
Charlie, literally just put hishands on her shoulders and was
(28:19):
like, holy shit.
SPEAKER_01 (28:21):
And as soon as all that shit happened, not only did
he became unbound, but Rosiecame back, was like, I don't
appreciate you, uh warm yourselfout of the deal.
And I was like, Yeah, well,whatever, but uh, if you want me
to help them, uh save hell andwhatnot, the weapon going off,
or like you need to do me withthis soul and fix my staff.
(28:43):
So I'm like, so he breaks thedeal and gets full power right
after that.
So it's almost like he was onlythe quote unquote second
strongest and break the deal.
So then he will get the fullpower and be like, oh well, I'm
number one again.
SPEAKER_05 (29:02):
Yep, exactly.
And that that that scene alsowas another another reason that
I'm thinking that Rosie isLilith, because it's like if if
that that wasn't the case, whywould she do it's like why would
Rosie care that, you know, whywould she care that Alistair
(29:24):
helps anymore at that point?
So it's like, yeah, no, I I amvery firmly on the Rosie is
Lilith train at this point.
Like just every little thing,it's like okay, there's no
unless she's Lilith, there's noreason for any of this.
So it's so yeah, but yeah, no,him paying, oh you know, I can
(29:45):
just I I can just leave them be,you know, but I will help them
if you fix my fucking staff, andum, but yeah, so it's just like
yeah.
Yep, just like I said, anotherpoint towards Rosie is love.
SPEAKER_01 (30:06):
Because that would tie some things up to a point
where, like, some of the plotlines that they were going for,
like it would tie things up moreneatly that way.
So I wanna believe it, but like,okay, let's not invest too hard
until we see season three andfour.
But I want to, but um anotherthing that's unbelievable, boxes
(30:31):
rise to powers whereessentially, in typical
journalist news reporterfashion, they were twisting
Turley's words and everybodyelse's words to where, okay,
obviously the people of heavenare gonna try to strike us
again.
We need to rise up against uhthe angels of heaven and build a
(30:52):
weapon powerful enough to wipethem out.
But you know, he was trying todo this whole rally, trying to
be this uh at first, it seemedlike a nice candidate for um
leading hell, but then you kindof see that okay, uh the mask is
like slowly dropping as it goes.
SPEAKER_05 (31:13):
Uh and like he he wasn't he did not enjoy sharing
power basically with the othertwo Vs.
Like that was it.
SPEAKER_01 (31:27):
Oh, yeah, we won.
SPEAKER_05 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah, we us.
You know, trust us, uh-huh.
And it's like the you know, heshould have known, like, if Vox
were actually a smart person, hewould have seen, you know,
Alistair turning himself in,like, nah, nah, what what what
are you up to?
What's what's really going onhere?
(31:49):
And it's like, you know,Alistair being there allowed him
to sort of start driving wedgesbetween the other two and Vox.
And so it's like, and it's justyeah, it's like not a very smart
move on Vox's part, notrealizing that, you know, why is
he suddenly just giving up?
What's actually going on here?
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
And you know what's kind of crazy now thing about
it?
Uh Vox had two spies at thehotel.
At first it was fucking yeah,like the obvious one was
serpentious, but then you know,that got resolved within the uh
second episode of the firstseason.
So yeah.
But then we come to find outthat Angel Dust was being
(32:36):
hypnotized by Vox um to spy onthe hotel, and like, ugh, like
yeah, that was just like thatwas just oh my god, that was
heartbreaking.
SPEAKER_05 (32:49):
It was just oh, yeah, that was that was not a
fun time finding that shit out.
It's like it was like someJessica Jones type shit.
Yeah, it's just like I have not,no, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (33:04):
Well, uh, imagine this.
Uh imagine a superhero, butshe's going up against this
nemesis where I think they'realso lovers, but it's a weird
situation where, like,essentially uh the purple man,
played by David Tennant, by theway.
Uh he had this power tohypnotize.
(33:24):
So, in other words, like he hadher doing a whole bunch of
things that she just don'tremember.
It's like imagine being blackoutdrunk during all the murders
that he might have committed,all the um um um other
activities that he might haveyou doing, you know, while
you're hypnotized, like, ohyou're not gonna remember this.
(33:46):
I can do whatever I want withyou.
That's my thing.
SPEAKER_05 (33:50):
Yep.
That was yeah, oof, and then theleave that leading to the ending
where everyone's like, what thefuck?
Why?
Yeah, it's yeah, you know, justhim being, you know, I am a
danger to you all.
I can't, I can't go back nowthat I know you know they're
(34:12):
using me against you.
I don't want that to be a thing,so it's like I gotta, I gotta
just go with them and stay awayfrom y'all because I'm a danger
to you.
Like, oh my god, angel, why?
SPEAKER_01 (34:28):
Yep, so expect us to see the bees again.
It's gonna be uh saving privaterhyme type situation, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (34:39):
And it's like I just when when Velvet and Val both
just sort of you know rippedVox's head off and just left the
body and walked off with withyou know the TV screen head, and
he's just like, wait, wait,what?
SPEAKER_01 (34:55):
Like, I like how Val was like, uh uh, no, no, we
done, we done squash this shit.
We are done, we are out, okay?
SPEAKER_05 (35:02):
Yep, I am done with mostly yeah, exactly.
I was very surprised that theywere all just allowed to just
walk away like that.
Like, it's like obviously thesethese three are dangerous,
especially Vox.
And it's like I'm I was I wasvery surprised they were allowed
to just walk away like that.
SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
I mean, it's it's kind of like saying, Yeah, it's
fucked up, but it's not offbrand for sinners.
SPEAKER_05 (35:32):
Yeah, but like that was to the extreme.
SPEAKER_01 (35:35):
So, I mean, they had the fucking the cannon with
powered by poor Lucy, but yougotta keep in mind that some
people are still convinced thatuh the angels of heaven are
still a threat, so it's almostlike you know, and just let them
go, fuck it.
SPEAKER_05 (35:54):
Yeah, but I'm still just like uh and I just with the
with the the canon, um, youknow, when he starts start first
starts it up, Lucy's like, ohthat tickles, ha ha ha tickles,
oh bad tickles, bad tickles,these are the bad tickles.
Like, oh god.
Just using them as a battery,and it's like when when baggy
(36:16):
goes in and he is he is out ofit, he sounded like he basically
sounded like he was high whenbaggie found him.
It's like, oh my god, poor poorLucy.
SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
No, let's talk about Lucy real quick, where he was
really trying to be there forCharlie and whatnot, and Boggs
was having his campaign, andLucy showed up and had to remind
everybody, hey yo, I'm the kingof hell.
Y'all follow my word.
What the fuck y'all doing?
Um listening to him.
And then the funny thing is, uhCharlie and the angels gonna
(36:49):
show up and gonna do theirthing.
But I honestly believe that ifLucy didn't show up at all, it
would have played out the same.
It's just that with Lucy showingup, he just made it worse.
SPEAKER_05 (37:03):
Yeah, yeah, and especially when you know, um
Vaggie goes and talks to him andis like, you know, you need to
do some like divine smitinghere, this is not gonna go well.
SPEAKER_01 (37:15):
And it's like oh man, Charlie felt so hurt for an
episode.
Like, I can't believe my dadtried to antagonize the off.
And on top of that, mygirlfriend gave him the idea.
SPEAKER_05 (37:28):
The idea, exactly.
Yeah, it was just like, oh man,that was uh that was not a good
situation right there.
SPEAKER_01 (37:36):
Uh it was just it was like, okay, y'all got me in
the second half, like y'all werekind of losing in this first
time.
I'm like, whoa, hold on, likey'all don't y'all not working
with that sauce like y'all werein the first season, but then
when things started ramping up,I'm like, oh there it is.
SPEAKER_05 (37:54):
Yeah, and I liked um uh talking about you know
background stuff.
Um one of the scenes when we'rein Lucy's room, you know, you
see a pile of gifts there on thebed, and it's like, you know, we
have the the Belfagore plushie.
There was, you know, there's acouple packages there in the
colors of Osmodius.
(38:16):
There was a couple packagesthere in the colors of B.
Um, there was this there werestacks of cash with a note on it
from saying, This is a bribe,come back, mammon.
And so it's like just you know,he had those gifts from all the
other seven sins, you know,being like trying to get him to
come back and whatnot, becauseall the shit that's going on in
(38:38):
Hell of a And it's like that wasthat was a pretty cool to see.
And it's like we we paused onthat when Leah and I were
watching, we paused on that justto see what all was there.
And it's like, yeah, there'ssomething from like obviously
with the exception of Satan,from all the other sins.
And with Mammon's note, we knowthey were all like, please,
please, please come back.
(38:59):
We need you gifts.
So it's like, but yeah, no, thatthat note though on the status
of the actor, this is a bribe.
Come back.
It's like, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, so that I the amountof like background stuff is has
been fun to see.
Um, and I guess that that wouldbe technically sort of like
(39:21):
another crossover crossover sortof situation, like the Robo
Fizzy.
Um where it's just it's just alittle thing, but it gives us a
glimpse that okay, you know,they are here.
SPEAKER_01 (39:34):
So right, just loosely, like barely, like in
the cut.
SPEAKER_05 (39:40):
Yeah.
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (39:42):
So we lose the I like it's funny how he's trying
so hard to be a good dad,though.
But he as soon as he got thatphone call after the fight with
Charlie, he was like, I'mcoming, baby, I'm coming to make
things right.
And I'm like, um, what's goingon here?
Like it's like, oh no, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_05 (40:05):
And it's just like, ah, fuck.
Yeah, no, it just goes to show.
SPEAKER_04 (40:11):
I got good week.
SPEAKER_05 (40:13):
Yeah, very much so.
Like, damn.
I don't know if he he he triedto cling on to oh, this is just
Charlie, you know, having somefun for as long as he could, but
then uh, you know, Box Home islike, okay, nope, this isn't
Charlie.
I'm fucked.
I done fucking.
SPEAKER_01 (40:30):
I like how he said that wait, hold on.
You're not Charlie, like he hehad no idea who Vogue was, but
I'm like, all I know for sure isyou're not Charlie.
SPEAKER_05 (40:42):
Yeah, yeah, and like, you know, when um when uh
Vaggie went and talked to himand when she you know was
telling him, you know, youshould go do some divine smiting
situation.
She had asked, you know, do youknow Vox?
He's like, you know, I I think Ido, but you know, what about
she's like, Do you she's like,Do you not know what he's been
doing?
He's like, no idea.
(41:03):
And so it's like he he legitjust did not really know much
about Vox.
He just, you know, he had beenhearing his name, but that was
about the extent of it.
SPEAKER_01 (41:13):
Oh well, you know, he was also talking to you about
Charlie.
SPEAKER_05 (41:17):
Exactly.
He's like, what what bring thatbring that back to me again?
What was that?
What was he saying about mydaughter?
Yep, and that was when he'slike, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (41:29):
That's all he had to say.
SPEAKER_05 (41:30):
Yep, that's it's like say less, I'm there.
But yeah, like, oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (41:39):
Yeah, so oh and hold on, let's talk about the action.
Like, okay.
The one with Alistair and Bogand also Velva and Valentina,
and also us, and people.
I'm gonna call that like partone because like it feels like
there was a rematch, like, andwhen we get to the seventh,
(42:02):
well, seventh last eighthepisode where there's like a
rematch, but the first match,okay, whatever, right?
It was cool, it was kind ofcool.
But the rematch, oh man, I loveit because like nifty was doing
shit.
Mvp nifty, by the way.
SPEAKER_05 (42:20):
As as per last uh season as well, like, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (42:24):
Uh it was Hus and Sherry versus Valentino and also
uh brainwashed angel does.
I like how Angel was chokingsherry.
Um no, yeah, yeah, it wasSherry.
And Hus was like, Angel, I knowyou're in there, you know.
(42:48):
Sherry's like, hey man, we ain'twe don't got time for that power
of friendships yet.
Just slap on the head and makethem comfortable.
SPEAKER_05 (42:55):
Exactly.
It was like, yeah, no, we don'tgot time for that shit.
Just fucking do the hard reset.
SPEAKER_01 (43:02):
Yeah, and then of course, the best part Alpha
versus Box.
SPEAKER_05 (43:16):
Yep, yeah.
No, that was yeah, it was thatwas that one.
SPEAKER_01 (43:22):
And hella box where you know they they they fucking
nice with him when it comes toaction.
Like, I was waiting for thatmoment where I'm like, oh come
on, I want to see some actionpopping off.
SPEAKER_05 (43:33):
Yep, and then there it was, and yeah, it was yeah,
the fight scenes were fuckinggreat in this.
Like, damn.
SPEAKER_01 (43:43):
I love how Alistair was like throughout the whole
season, he was like, See, lookat you.
This is the shit I've beentalking about, dog.
You can't do shit withoutsomebody else helping you.
Hell, even um, that littlebackwards where Vox was a
fucking fanboy for Alistair.
SPEAKER_05 (44:02):
Well, I mean, a little bit, but there was also a
lot of manipulation tacticsgoing on there in that scene.
It was like, yeah, no, it wasit's yeah, we we see you know
Vox tear up and stuff, and it'slike, oh, poor Vox, poor Vox,
he's you know, he legit justwanted to, you know, partner up
with who he thought was it'slike no, this was all
(44:24):
manipulation tactics.
It was just like, yeah, no.
And you know, when when he puthis hand on on uh Alistair's
shoulder, and Alistair like waslike, Nope, get that hand off
me, and it was like, yeah, no,that was that was all you know
manipulative mean uh wordsmanipulation attempts.
SPEAKER_01 (44:46):
Like it was just like your radio show.
SPEAKER_05 (44:50):
Yeah, yep.
And it's just like becausethat's you know, we saw that in
his backstory, you know, he andyou know, the shaking hands,
putting hands on shoulders andstuff, you know, of all his
bosses before promptly likekilling them after he got what
he wanted from them.
So it's like, no, that was thatwas pure manipulation right
(45:11):
there.
And it's like, and I I I fellfor it at first too.
I was like, oh, you know, I dofeel I do feel bad for Vox here,
but then going back andre-watching and sort of noticing
patterns and whatnot, it waslike, no, this was just straight
up manipulation tactics, andAlistair was not falling for it.
SPEAKER_03 (45:34):
I feel like, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (45:38):
Um was there anything else that I was
thinking at all?
I mean, for the most part, likethings were like popping off
pretty good, you know.
They were just trying to provethat sinners can be redeemed,
trying to fight or uh prevent awar.
Lou was fucking pissing me offin the season to where she was
like the main one, like, nah, Ican't let that shit fly,
(46:00):
especially what happened to Adamand whatnot.
No, this is not what Lil wouldwant.
Like, that's a little thing withuh Boss.
Like, Voss was like, oh no, uh,this is what Lil would want us
to do.
Um, she would want us to rise upto uh heaven and whatnot.
But meanwhile, she's up inheaven right now, so I'm like,
uh pretty sure she doesn't wanther vacation spot being blown
(46:24):
on.
SPEAKER_05 (46:25):
Yeah, no, and it's like, and um, my bad.
Um and uh shit, I just lost mytrain of thought.
Um, oh no.
Yeah, nope, it is totally gone.
Shit.
I'm sorry.
No, it's it's just my my brainis just like, nope, we're not
(46:48):
gonna, it's like, come on, workwith me here.
Um, right, with uh with loot,it's like I I agree.
I was I was getting a littlepissed at her.
I'm like, I'm like, bitch.
And I I I had been hearing a lotof things saying that, you know,
what if loot teams up with theV's to sort of push the whole
(47:11):
hell's going to go to war withheaven just so she can, you
know, have her pound of fleshsort of situation.
I'm I'm glad that did nothappen, which it makes sense
that that didn't happen, justconsidering how much loot hates
the sinners.
Um, but yeah, no, just she wasjust hold on.
SPEAKER_01 (47:29):
I got I got a theory behind that.
Well, I don't know if it's gonnaactually happen, but here's the
deal.
Like, I agree with you, but atthe same time, I believe that
with the way things are going.
I mean, the fact of the matteris that uh Abel es simply took
her job, so it's like they wereclowning her for practically
being demoted.
So it's more like the more shegets pushed to the back burner
(47:54):
and whatnot, I feel like it'sgonna get to a point where she's
gonna get so desperate to try toavenge Adam and whatnot, it's
gonna get to a point where she'sgonna get so desperate that she
might become a fallen angel andthen team buckle the bees.
SPEAKER_05 (48:14):
I yeah, I saw a lot about that as well.
People expecting that she wasgonna become a fallen angel in
this season, and it's likeobviously that didn't happen
stuff.
So, yeah, maybe you know, if shedoes become fallen in the next
season, maybe that could stillhappen with her teaming up with
them.
But we'll we'll have to wait andsee, you know, what exactly
(48:34):
happens and whatnot.
But yeah, I was just like, yeah,that loot was just it was like
Chica, calm the fuck down.
SPEAKER_01 (48:44):
And that's the thing too, because I don't know how it
will work exactly, but with lootworking with the bees now, the
bees want to take over heaven,so they're gonna need somebody
to make sure that the sinners inhell stays in line.
And considering that Lucifer,the king of hell, can't punish
(49:06):
sinners, at least not directly.
SPEAKER_05 (49:10):
That's a little odd, but yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:13):
But Lu obviously can, so it'll be more like Wu
would probably be the one to belike, all right, I'm gonna keep
all the sinners in line becauseI hate them anyways.
SPEAKER_05 (49:25):
So yeah, exactly.
So but yeah, it's like there's alot of speculation going on
about a lot of stuff, but youknow, we're gonna have to just
wait and see what happens, youknow, when when we finally get
season three, whenever that'llbe.
So um, but yeah, it's just likeit was a lot of lot there's a
(49:48):
lot of theories and whatnot, anda lot of them, again, like I
said, did not come to fruition.
So it's we'll we'll see whathappens in season three.
Um, because like like you weresaying, maybe that's what that's
that'll be, you know, the partof season three is loot falling
and then teaming up with theV's.
So it's like we'll have to see.
I guess I guess uh Viv has saidthat Vox is still gonna be like
(50:12):
the main antagonist of seasonthree, so it's like okay, we'll
see what happens.
SPEAKER_01 (50:18):
Oh shit.
There's a five-season plan forthe show now.
SPEAKER_05 (50:23):
Five shit.
Last I heard it was they theyhad just season three and four.
SPEAKER_01 (50:28):
I'm I'm reading it now.
We're in back in September, uhBaby acknowledged that the first
season had issues with thenarrative runtime, uh, process
of telling first season storywithin the show's set
limitations was described by heras borderline impossible during
production.
Although she remained proud ofhis final look, she stated that
the second season would haveimproved the pace and narrative,
(50:50):
which it did.
And his story was described asbeing simpler than the first
season, with all the episodesbeing longer than 20 minutes
because it was like almost asolid three.
And she also stated that thereis a five-season plan for the
show.
SPEAKER_05 (51:05):
Okay, cool.
Well, that'll that'll keep usbusy for a long time.
Consider, I mean, because it waslike two years basically between
season one and two.
So we gotta we and we gotta awhile till season three, and
then two more after that.
Sweet, okay, cool.
SPEAKER_01 (51:21):
And there is the final season for uh hell of a
ball.
So I'm gonna say I will I wouldbelieve if just uh finish up
hell of a boss and then focus onHasman Hotel after that because
at that point, all the budgetwould be going towards Hasman
Hotel after that.
SPEAKER_05 (51:37):
Yeah, once I mean, not to assume too much, but like
now that uh Hell of a Boss isdone, it's like okay, they can
focus more on Hasman Hotel,yeah, instead of being split
between the two, which I gottasay, I know you know Hasman
Hotel was like the main projectfrom the get-go, and Hell of a
(51:58):
Boss was just sort of a sideproject, but it's like honestly,
out of the two, I do prefer Hellof a Boss, and I know a lot of
people share that sentiment.
It's just, you know, because wehad so long between the the
pilot and when we actually, youknow, got confirmation that hey,
this is actually going to bemade into a show.
Um definitely took over.
SPEAKER_01 (52:24):
Wow, I'm just saying.
SPEAKER_05 (52:26):
Yeah, yep.
So but yeah, no, and then youknow, and then and then the
fucking like said, cliffhangerending there, where it's like
Charlie had just called her momand got, you know, it went to
voicemail again, and now thewhole, you know, this this
person either unavailable oravoiding you.
It's like, damn, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (52:48):
And then at the end, and okay, you finally let that
final boy's mail, like, okay,you know what, don't worry about
all the other boys' mail,everything's all good.
You know, and I hope to see yousoon.
SPEAKER_05 (52:59):
And then she got a call back like, oh, hold on,
like right away, and and sheanswers just like mom, and then
it fucking ends.
Like, god damn it.
Damn clip hangers.
So, yeah, that was like, oh mygod.
I wanna know.
SPEAKER_01 (53:18):
So I'm trying to see if there was uh update on season
three uh balls.
No, I don't think so.
Nah, but uh pretty sure we knowfor sure that there's gonna be
one more season of that.
Yeah, I just don't know when.
SPEAKER_05 (53:41):
Yeah, it's just it's just a matter of time, so yeah.
But it'll be see interestingseeing where they go from here,
so was there anything else aboutseason two that you wanted to
talk about?
SPEAKER_02 (53:58):
Anything that we didn't um hit on?
SPEAKER_05 (54:01):
I think that was that's about it.
Um we covered, you know, most ofthe stuff, so yeah, I think that
was that's about it for me, soyeah.
SPEAKER_01 (54:18):
I mean, I I still like has been hotel.
I I still love it.
I did the main thing was yeah,like the first half of the
second season, I understand thatit was just build up for what
was gonna happen in the secondhalf, so I get it, but like they
just kind of really was doublingdown on the musical numbers, and
(54:40):
half of them were okay, just notfor me.
And then some of them are okay,hold on, it's gonna go kind of
hard.
SPEAKER_05 (54:48):
Yeah, like I said, like there was it the second
season was more music-centric,but the music just wasn't for
the most part, wasn't as good asseason one, so at least in my
opinion.
SPEAKER_01 (55:03):
It's almost like, whoa, hold on, you're throwing a
little too many musical numbersat once.
Let us process some of thembecause uh sees uh I'm looking
at the wiki right now, and noneof them have their own page just
yet.
But if you go back to seasonone, uh, you got hell's greatest
dad, poison, loser baby, uh staygone.
(55:27):
They got their own page, so itwas like, okay, we had enough
time to like process all thedifferent songs that was in
there zone, R.
So I mean, still, I didn't hateany of the songs, just half of
them just not for me.
SPEAKER_05 (55:46):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Like, they weren't necessarilybad, it was just sort of like
eh.
SPEAKER_01 (55:53):
So, but yeah, I am spent.
I still give Hasmotell a fiveout of five because it
definitely keeps you wantingmore, whether it's like the
action, the lore, therelationship, drama, and all
(56:14):
that uh intrigue and mysterybehind it all.
I yes, I I want more.
Please, sir, may I have somemore?
SPEAKER_05 (56:23):
Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (56:26):
Well, with that being said, Tanara, thank you
for being on the show with me.
And to listener, thank you forlistening to us to the end.
Uh, go ahead and take it easy.
Have yourself a good morning,good afternoon, good evening,
good night.
Ultimately, you stay nerdy, youstay nostalgic, and stay tuned
for more nerdy news and reviews.
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