House of the Dragon: From Family Tensions to All-Out Targaryen Civil War

A fiery clash of succession ignites as the Targaryen dynasty stands at its peak. House of the Dragon plunges viewers into Westeros 200 years before Game of Thrones, when dragons filled the skies and House Targaryen ruled unchallenged—until King Viserys I broke tradition by naming his daughter Rhaenyra heir to the Iron Throne.

What begins as palace intrigue between childhood friends Rhaenyra and Alicent Hightower transforms into a realm-splitting conflict known as the Dance of Dragons. Season one masterfully builds this world, introducing complex characters whose motivations blur the lines between hero and villain. Daemon Targaryen emerges as a fan favorite—dangerous yet loyal, ambitious yet principled—while figures like Criston Cole showcase how personal rejection can twist into political vendetta.

Season two expands on these tensions as war begins in earnest. Though some viewers felt the pacing slowed compared to season one's dramatic conclusion, the character development deepens substantially. We watch Aegon II struggle with kingship while his brother Aemond, paired with the ancient dragon Vhagar, becomes increasingly unhinged. Meanwhile, Rhaenyra gathers allies and faces accusations mirroring those later leveled at Daenerys—that a woman who seeks power must inevitably become a tyrant.

The incredible dragon sequences showcase how far CGI has advanced since Game of Thrones first aired. Vhagar's sheer size and power created some of the most memorable moments in the series, setting up anticipation for the large-scale dragon battles teased for season three, currently in production for a 2025 release.

Whether you're Team Black or Team Green, House of the Dragon delivers the political intrigue, moral complexity, and spectacular visuals that made early Game of Thrones captivating. Join us as we analyze both seasons and speculate on what's coming when the dance truly begins. Subscribe now and let us know which Targaryen has your loyalty!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
what up gang?
It's time for another review.
This time we're gonna go aheadand talk about house of the
dragon, because we did.
The game is thrown with thestream review a while back and
it's only fair that we go aheadand talk about house of the
dragon, and this time aroundwe've got joining us once again.
So without further ado, let'sgo ahead and zone in on it.

(00:25):
So I'm gonna be straight up.
First season, great.
Second season I didn't hate it.
But I see why some people sayseason two fell off from what

(00:45):
what's going on.
Like season 1 felt like thewhole franchise is going back to
formula, to where we loved thefirst half of Game of Thrones,
and then it kind of fell off inthe last one or two seasons and

(01:05):
it seems like not even twoseasons in.
People are already saying, ohyeah, it fell off.
You know all this other stuffand all I wonder okay, let me
look into it.
Like, let me, let me see, let'ssee what they're talking about.
But before I get into all thedetails, carly, how are you
feeling about House of Dragons?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, I really liked the I don't want to say the
original series Game of Thrones.
But we know this is a prequelseries.
I like Game of Thrones but Ihave the same qualms with it
that so many others do.
Where the last season was likewhat the fuck is going on, it's
hard for me to even go back andwatch Game of Thrones just

(01:53):
because I know what season eightends up being.
But House of the Dragon haspretty good for lack of better
words rewatchability, because Ilike it.
Like you said, it kind of hasthe same formula that Game of
Thrones does.
We kind of hop betweendifferent perspectives of
different characters andeverything.
But we're usually sticking withRhaenyra and I like both of the

(02:17):
seasons.
There are some parts of it thatare just hard to watch, just
because, I mean, we've talkedabout it before.
Me being a mom, there arethings that happen to some of
the children in the seasons thatI'm not too fond of and it's
really, really hard to watch.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Even 2F01.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, the very first episode with Queen Emma and
she's trying to um, I can't,it's off the top of my head.
I can't remember exactly thename of the, the baby she was
supposed to be having for, uh,king viserys, um, but when they
basically performed a c-sectionon her and stuff like that, like

(02:55):
that was really really hard towatch.
I had to like turn away justbecause of how awful that part
was.
But I mean, I imagine that theydid sign of sort of the same
things back in, like medievaltimes, things like that, but
whatever.
So I really like the seasons,and me and my husband we
rewatched the first seasonbefore the second season come

(03:16):
out and I can imagine that oncethe third season comes out we'll
probably be doing the samething, just to get ourselves
reacquainted with the story andjust kind of remember, okay,
okay, yeah, that happened.
So so far I do like the seasons,just because they are kind of
like the original Game ofThrones, being able to rewatch

(03:37):
it.
I'm just hoping they don't dothe same thing that they ended
up doing with, like the last fewseasons of game of thrones, but
I can say they probably won't,because the house of the dragon,
all like the targaryen stuff isactually written.
We know that george rr martinhas not actually finished

(03:57):
writing the parts for game ofthrones, so they just kind of
went you know wherever with itthat sort of thing um with game
of thrones.
So we actually know how it'ssupposed to end.
So that's the difference.
It's all about how they'regoing to execute it.
In the next few seasons, like Ithink in the first few episodes
of season three, we're going tosee another major battle um

(04:18):
between specific family members.
So I'm pretty excited aboutthat.
I just want to see how they doit.
It's also really cool to seethe, even though this is a
prequel series.
Being able to see the changesin the CGI and like how the
dragons seem even more realisticis super, super cool.
Just seeing how, since what 10years ago was when Game of

(04:40):
Thrones first came out or so andthe 10 years past that, we've
changed so much in CGI and ourtechnology, so the dragons look
even more realistic.
So that part's really cool.
But that's what I've got so far.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, I'd say yeah.
I'd say All right, let's goahead and get into the details.
So with the first season, we'reimmediately being immersed into
the height of the Targaryendynasty, 200 years prior to Game
of Thrones.
To be specific, it examines thestrife among family members

(05:17):
that eventually culminates intothis notorious civil war known
as the Dance of the DragonsCivil War, known as the Dance of
the Dragons.
Like we have King Viserys I,who ascends to the Iron Throne,
initiating a series of politicalintrigues and familiar tensions
.
We have the issue of secessionemerging with as a central theme

(05:37):
, where we have Viserysinitially designating his
daughter the main character,rhaenyra as his heir and
igniting controversy Rooted inthe patriarchal customs of
Westeros.
Like hold on A woman ruined theKingdom.
I don't know About that, thatsort of thing.

(06:00):
We got introduced to DaemonTargaryen, who's I gotta be
honest with you, he's myfavorite right now.
Because he's like.
Because, first of all, the factthat he's being Betrayed by a
boy John Smith, I'm getting sofuzzy with the names now, but uh

(06:23):
, yeah, like.
I'm getting so fuzzy with thenames now, but uh, yeah, like.
I like how he's like.
Not a Mustache-twirling,conniving bad guy, he's more
like I got my code, like I'm nottotally evil but I do what I

(06:44):
want.
So I would say he's like Arogue element and he's like
Ambitious and has Layers ofcomplexity and Conflict within
the family.
And the Season go into Corepolitics, revealing Alliances
and betrayals as Variousfactions by Power.

(07:05):
Court politics, revealingalliances and betrayals as
various factions vie for power.
Uh, renera, who's thedesignated heir claim, faces
constant challenges.
And there's allison hightower,who's the king's second wife,
who becomes a pivotal figure inthe secession debate.
Season two season two escalatesthe conflict within the

(07:26):
targaryen family, paving the wayfor the impending civil war,
the power struggles becomingmore increasingly pronounced as
alliances are forged and broken.
Now tensions escalate as factsexploring rene, uh, uh, rene I'm
sorry, I'm fucking up with thename sometimes she's clashing

(07:48):
with those backing Alyson'schildren, particularly Aegon II,
in preparation of war.
The Dance of the Dragon,beginning with dragon riders
playing crucial roles in theensuing battles.
Betrayals and shiftingloyalties characterize the
season as characters arecompelled to align with one side

(08:09):
or the other.
Season two kind of explores therepercussions of civil war in
this realm and emphasizing thepersonal sacrifices and
tragedies endured by theinvolved parties, endured by the
involved parties.
I want to say that's like theshort Version of what went down,

(08:30):
like the short breakdown Of it.
But, callie, how do you feelabout the politics going on with
House of Dragon?
You know, with the fact thatRhaenyra being like A girl boss
essentially, but of course youhave to Deal with men not being
cool, with women leading andmeanwhile, like Daemon and Aegon

(08:54):
, wanted claim to the Throne andit got really messy, like to a
point to where, like theromances and all that, how are
you feeling about that so far?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
So with the politics, I know it's one of the things
of.
I mean, we saw the same thingin Game of Thrones.
There's always like arrangedmarriages and one of the first
really big ones that we see is,after Viserys' wife, aemma
Rhaenyra's mom.
And I'm right there with youwith messing up with some of the
names.
It's not your fault that theyjust change or basically name

(09:32):
their kids the exact same thing,and there's like what eight
Aegons or something in theentire game of Thrones or the
Song of Ice and Fire.
So it's not your fault.
There's Rhaenys Rhaenyra andthere's only like two Daenerys's
that exist.
But whatever it doesn't,they're not very creative.

(09:54):
They just keep naming eachother after each other.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
And didn't with the child that was killed in the
season premiere of season two.
Wasn't his name Aegon too?
And it was like a whole mix upto where, like, oh well, you
didn't tell me which agon, so Ijust went for one yeah, like
it's super confusing, so let'sjust george rr martin.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Come on, bro.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
But I mean, I won't even blame george for that.
I I want to say it's likebecause the main thing that kind
of fell off was the originalshowrunner for the show left.
So it's almost like, uh, wedon't know where to go with all
this.
Like he was pretty much thevisionary behind it all and we

(10:40):
just let him go.
So, uh, it was almost likesaying, oh, the guy that was
actually carrying the show likeas soon as he leaves, and
they're just like fuck it, weball.
But yeah you can see the cracksin the formula like yeah, that's
why I kind of hate when, likethe one person that's supposed

(11:01):
to be, like how I had my gripeabout henry cavill being let go
um by uh, the people that wasbehind the witcher and also no
longer part of the dcu I'm likethe, the one dude that actually
did the homework.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Y'all let him go yeah , right, but but anyway, with
the politics it's.
I mean, I'm a woman too, butit's weird to think like just
because rainier is a woman, thatmeans that she shouldn't be
able to to reign or anythinglike that.

(11:35):
Like they already had an issuewith her.
I think it was her aunt or Ithink it might be her cousin.
Rain is the the one that'smarried to Corlys Velaryon, like
they called her, like the queenthat never was to mess with her
, that sort of thing, and Ialways thought that was really
shitty.
So that's why I think Rhaenyswas also trying to, or Rhaenys I

(11:59):
may be pronouncing her namecorrectly she was kind of
pulling for Rhaenyra becauseshe's like like well, I wasn't
able to do it, but maybe, likethe younger generation can
continue on and all of like thearranged marriages and stuff
like that.
Like I said, after queen amapassed away, otto hightower, the
hand of the king was like youcan marry my 16 year old

(12:21):
daughter even though you're like50 years old yeah, I was like
gross, gross.
And of course she didn't really.
I mean, she ended up becomingvery fond of the power that she
had and I can kind of understandthat.
But you know, you can see clipsof them and stuff like that

(12:42):
where he's making love to herand of course she's like just
laying there but fulfilling herwifely, queenly duties, that
sort of thing, so that sort oflike the arranged marriages
which it's not unheard of.
Like the youngest queen thatwas married off, I think, in
european history, was like eightyears old.

(13:03):
So I'm not surprised, but I'mstill thoroughly disgusted.
Um, and, like I said, we knowall these arranged marriages
keep happening and the um,targaryens and stuff like that
they marry to each other, havekids with each other.
I mean agon and um, oh man, Ican't remember what her name is

(13:23):
um, alice the sister, no, helena, there we go, helena and agon
they get married, but of coursethey're brother and sister.
But it was funny because Ithink what it was back when
there were the rumors and thingslike that of reynira being fond
of damon, who is her uncle,alicent saying hmm, you

(13:44):
targaryens do have some queercustoms, and then she makes her
son and daughter marry eachother and have children together
.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's like bruh, let me, let's talk about that.
Let's go ahead and talk aboutthat.
Like, first of all, uh, hermarriage to it was laenor, uh,
okay, and it was likepolitically motivated, okay,
okay.
But she secretly like, yeah,she was gonna hook up with her
brother and the funny thing islike, with targaryen, they're

(14:15):
like, oh, you want to sleep withyour uncle, that's totally fine
.
But when she started foolingaround with her bodyguard who
won that, you know, I forgotwhat it was called, but it was
like some sort of exhibitionwhere he became the Hand of the
King or something like that.
Christian Cole.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I hate that guy.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
The funny thing is hold on, wait a minute.
Yeah, she kind of came on tohim too.
Very easy it.
She kind of came on to him tooand whatnot, or barely.
It was kind of like it feltlike she was like talking to him
and what I?
The main thing I don't likeabout this dude is that he was
like oh, you let me on.
Like you seduce me with yourbody, what not?

(15:01):
How dare you?
Like you tarnished myreputation.
I'm like bro, bro, really, isthis the route you're going, bro
?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
so gross.
I hate Christian Cole so muchcause, like you said, he was
just like, but I thought that wewere gonna be together, but
then he got really spicy exactly.
he was just like.
It wasn't that even when he waslike friend zoned or anything
like that, she was like, no, Iwant to be able to like be with
you.
But then, well, what, I thinkit was at the wedding of leonore

(15:38):
and raniera.
That's when he went and killedjoffrey le Laenor's lover, since
he was gay.
And Kristen Cole's like, yeah,fuck you.
And it's like bro.
And then they still ended upmarrying them that night.
So that was really traumaticfor poor Laenor and Rhaenyra.
And just fuck Kristen Cole.

(15:59):
And then later on in the secondseason he's also fucking
Alicent and he's like, yeah, Ihate Rhaenyra.
And Allison's like, well, Idon't really like hate her, I
just want, you know, aegon to bethe king, so that way he's in
power.
And then Kristen Cole's like,but yeah, fuck Rhaenyra, right,

(16:24):
I can't stand that guy.
He's such a ugh, he's so gross.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Bro, that's immature.
He's a tool, Like it comes outimmature to force someone to
hate someone just because ofyour experience with them.
Like it's one thing if it's it'slike public display that this
person is terrible, but it'slike it's like gray area to

(16:52):
where like, okay, like sometimesyou might have a bad experience
with that person, like it mighthave been like a personal thing
, but it's not like they're likethat with everyone.
So like, sometimes you justdon't mix with certain people.
And then there are times wherelike, okay, this person is like

(17:14):
a genuine threat to society.
You know so, yeah, so that'slike, say, for instance, parents
, parents getting divorced, andwhether it's the mother or the
father, they're whispering inthe children's ears like, oh,
your mom's a whore or your dad'san alcoholic, or something like

(17:35):
that, something along thoselines, and it seems like they're
trying to weaponize thechildren against the other
parents.
No, no, no, stop it.
Stop it against the otherparent.
Like, no, no, no, stop it.
Stop it.
Like, whatever beef you havewith that person, squash it with
that person.
Stop hat.
Stop inserting people that'snot even involved or doesn't

(18:00):
play a hand in what happened inthe shit.
You know what I'm saying.
I just don't agree withChristian trying to convince
Allison to hate Rhaenyra, eventhough at best they're kind of
cool with each other, leaningtowards them, like aching out a
little bit.
But it doesn't really goanywhere.
But yeah, like dumb, stupidMoronic, I don't like him.

(18:26):
But yeah, like Dumb, stupidmoronic, like I don't like him.
He came up kind of bitch madeFor me.
Anyways, the hand of the king,otto Hightower, exploiting this
Rumor to undermine Rhaenyra'sclaim in favor of her half,
brother Aegon, and Otto isUltimately dismissed for his
bias.
Because you know, oh, who didyou get that information?

(18:49):
From?
Somebody from Yeltsin?
Oh, yeah, see, that's what theywant you to say.
But uh, rhaenyra gives birth tothree sons whose parents raise
a speculation that they don'tresemble Rhaenor, because you
know he's gay.
So of course, course, it'sgenetics, it's not gonna get
mixed in there.
So who the fuck is the realfather.

(19:09):
You know what I'm saying.
Queen Alyson calc bloods onthese rumors to further isolate
Rhaenyra and the tensionsescalating when Harwin Strong,
the alleged father, is forcedinto exile and leading to the
death of his father and brotherIn this suspicious fire,
possibly Orchestrated by Allison.
And meanwhile Rhaenyra andDaemon embark on this secret

(19:33):
romance and all that.
The death of King Viserysleaves Aegon After presumed heir
based on his Father's finalwishes.
Well, once Again, naming,because they didn't say which
agon, they just assume they talkabout that agon.
And the small council batsagon's flame, prompting an

(19:54):
attack on renera by hissupporters, tragic death of lu,
one of renera's sons, and adragon skirmish against agon.
By by the way, huge ass dragon.
Holy shit, that was like agargantuan level.
It was like D&D, yeah, likegargantuan level.
It was like it was a dragon bigenough to eat Small dragons,

(20:18):
like a fucking Snap, like Iwould say like If it was like a
tackle titan.
There's like those titansthat's like maybe 20 feet tall,
and then you have the colossaltitan, or Eren's final form when
he becomes the founding titan,and he's like these colossal ass
.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, alright yeah, vhagar is gigantic.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
I like how his name is Vhagar because, you know, as
a former League of Legendsplayer, that's all I think about
when I hear that name.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I think Vhagar is supposed to be a girl and I've
seen like all these headcanonsand stuff like that on the
internet about like her justbeing a crotchety old lady and
me like, what, what did you say?
And like, just like she's justso confused about everything
that's going on, she goes youwanted me to?
What, what did you say?
And like, just like she's justso confused about everything
that's going on, she goes youwanted me to beat him?
I thought you said to eat him,and that's why she ate.

(21:14):
I think it's Erex.
That's right, it's Erex.
That's um, uh, jacerys is um,no, lucerys.
See, they're all named the sameLucerys.
See, they're all named the sameLucerys.
That was his dragon.
Of course he ate him too.
I don't know I'm still kind ofsplit on if Aemond actually
didn't want that to happen.
He just wanted.

(21:35):
I think he just wanted Lucerysto go down.
But I think there's a part ofhim that was happy that he ended
up dying.
But I don't know.
It seemed like he was upsetthat he kind of lost control of
Vhagar and she just kind of didwhatever the hell she wanted to,
and I think that made himrealize that he didn't have true
control over her either.

(21:56):
But that part at the end ofseason one was really, really
traumatic.
I remember crying after thatpart Because I was like no, they
ate the dragon and and her kid.
It was awful just because ofhow big she was, like just one
big chomp bro.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
And I love that.
See, here's the thing, here'sthe part that pissed me off,
where here's my main gripe onHouse of the Dragon when she
finds out about it and then sheturns to the camera and she's
like All right, beth, war, it is.
Then, oh yeah, that was so cool.

(22:37):
Oh shit, okay, let's go, let'sgo but season two I guess it's
so peaceful all of a sudden,like it just felt like a tone
tonal shift, like it just feltinconsistent to what was already
being built up.
I'm not expecting her to gofull Tyrant like Daenerys did in

(22:59):
Season 8 of Game of Thrones.
I just want to see that firefor her to prove that she is
qualified to lead, to lead likebecause right now, like she
pretty much got the job, becauseshe was in the royal lineage to
get the job, but I feel like byearning her position in battle,

(23:22):
people gonna see her like, okay, she actually can lead us in
battle on and off field and allthat.
Okay, I see her now, I, I seeher.
Okay, okay, okay.
But it felt like immediately itstarted dropping the ball.

(23:43):
But going on into season two,yes, one of her sons died
getting Getting charmed by Vygarand initially Aegon, under
Otto's Guidance, seeks apeaceful resolution To all of
this, but, however, lordLarystrong manipulates Aegon

(24:04):
into dismissing Otto andappointing a new hand, christian
Cole, who is secretly Involvedwith Alyson, and you know we
already Talked about how.
Oh yeah, like you know, fuckRhaenyra, right, but Cole
devised an assassination planagainst Rhaenyra, but her
intelligence network, the WhiteWorm, thwarted the attempt.

(24:26):
Rhaenyra confronts Allison inKing's Landing, leading to
escalating tensions.
The war officially commenced asAegon attacks Rhaenyra's forces
, confronts Alyssa in the King'sLanding, leading to escalating
tensions.
The war officially commences asAegon attacks Rhaenyra's forces
.
Rhaenyra's dragon Syrax iskilled by Aegon's dragon Vygar,
again leaving Aegon severelyinjured and his younger brother
Aemon as the new heir.

(24:47):
Rhaenyra garners support fromher allies, including the Starks
and various houses in theRiverlands.
She discovers that dragons canbe ridden by individuals without
Targaryen blood, allowing herto recruit new riders.
So three Targaryen bastards,hugh, ulf and Adam, are selected
to ride the dragons Bermit,silverwingwing and Seasmoke

(25:14):
respectively.
The balance of power shifts asRhaenyra gains three adult
dragons to oppose Amon andVhagar, and as Amon prepares for
the final battle at Harrenhal,his allies, including the Lancer
Navy, rally behind him.
So Rhaenyra's forces are poisedto confront them, but the
climactic large hill battle isanticipated for season three.

(25:36):
So yeah, season two was prettymuch a setup for season three,
but at the same time just feltlike some of the build-up that
season one was trying to makedidn't translate well into
season two.
It just felt like they justdropped the ball here and there
on what was going on.

(25:57):
Callie, you had anything youwant to add on to that.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, yeah.
Going into season two, Icompletely forgot that the very
first episode that we see of itis the you know, a son for a son
and that's like the cheese andblood one where he goes, where
the two the rat catcher and thecity watch guard and stuff like
that they go in there to go kill.

(26:26):
You know, like you said, theygo in there to kill one of the
babies and stuff like that.
But it's not even that Rhaenyrawanted that to happen.
I think they say, like one ofthe things that they've noticed,
that she says Aegon and Aemon,but she goes why would I want to
hurt Helena, my sweet sister?
Like I wouldn't want to do that.

(26:47):
And so I think that was reallyawful that they ended up having
to go and kill the um, thatdamon decided to go and do that
and that's not what renerawanted.
And then that became anothersource of conflict between the
two of them later on, because ofcourse he's like that's not
what I told you to do.
I wanted to make sure that theywouldn't killed ain't, uh, that
they wouldn't killed agon.
But of course the dumb fuckswere like but we came in here to

(27:10):
kill a prince or a king, sothis works right.
So they also fucked it up.
I remember the setup for that.
It was just, completely,completely awful.
And of course, that completelyderails Rhaenyra, because I
think that's when they startcalling her Rhaenyra the cruel,
because everybody believes thatshe was the one that actually

(27:31):
went and ordered, becauseeverybody believes that she was
the one that actually went inand ordered for that baby, for
the child, to go and be killed.
It was just, it was just awful.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's just weird how Rhaenyra is being treated as a
prototype Teemu Daenerys at thispoint where, like I, said
earlier.
Like she said, it'd be like thisunderdog girl boss.
But like as soon as she risesto power and whatnot, shit goes
wrong and people are blaming herand it's getting to a point

(28:06):
where it just seems like she hadto force her hand.
But uh, even then just feelsinconsistent to what was being
built up already.
So I just really hate that it'sbecoming that apparent that
early into this series.
And the real question is whenis a season three coming?
Because I don't imagine themjust dropping the whole thing

(28:30):
after season two flopped.
But but I haven't heard anyword about season three.
I might look that up just alittle bit.
But, um, what else about seasontwo?
Oh yeah, um, aegon, was he thatone asshole?
That's like he was going aroundparticipating in underground

(28:53):
fights and I'll put this uh, hewas having his way with some of
the female servants yeah, he wasa fucking rapist yeah, I was
trying not to go there.
You know, I'm trying to keep itkind of clean, but like, yeah,

(29:16):
yeah sorry, I just kind of callit as it is not like me
personally.
I'm like I just kind of mentallyblock out moments like those,
like, honestly, that would makeme a little hesitant on
finishing.
And or because I heard aboutwhat happened to old girl in
season 2, episode 3, and I'mlike, oh, I'm not ready for this

(29:38):
.
But no, no, it didn't actuallyhappen.
She actually followed him off.
Okay, cool, okay, okay, itmakes it more watchable for me.
Because I'm saying, if I haveto review, rewatch something and
I know a certain scene's gonnapop up, I'm like, oh, do I?
skip it or what I?
I just don't have, I don't havethe taste for it, like you

(30:00):
won't get one time from me, like, say, for instance, episode one
of goblin slayer, the entiretyof redo a healer I can't uh, I
can't watch the first episode ofGoblin Slayer.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I was traumatized after watching that.
The first time I was like whatthe hell I can't do that or redo
of Healer or any part of that,bro, I always try to skip stuff
like that too, especially insome of the other things that
have shown up in Game of Thrones, and there's always things like
that that show up in like HBOshows.
So I'm really careful aboutwhen things like that come on

(30:35):
the TV bro.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
It's like not to have a weak stomach about it, but
it's more like I'm just not herefor that you know, yeah, right.
Yeah, like, oh, like, oh.
I can't wait to see this girlget no what?
Why would I anticipate that?

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I do want to say one of the things that I did enjoy
since they had the time skip andeverything like that between
season one and season two oreven the later parts of season
one is that I really enjoyed thecasting.
I feel like the person whoplayed Rhaenyra at the beginning
.
It's really believable that shewould grow up to look like that

(31:16):
.
Alicent's casting for the youngher and the older her is
completely spot on.
The only gripe that I have isthat I think that they should
have flip-flopped Aemond andAegon, because the way the noses
looked to me from the youngerones to the older ones I know
probably the ages didn't workout.

(31:37):
Obviously I felt like theirappearance looked more like the
other way.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Right right.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
But other than that, I felt like the casting was
really really good.
Like I said, I really enjoyedthe change for Rhaenyra and the
change for Alicent.
I think those are the main ones.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Now that I think about it, I recognize the main
girl, rhaenyra Millie Alcott,because I've been seeing her
lately.
I'm like, oh, that's why we'relike you look familiar, oh yeah,
she's been in a.
Like you look familiar, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
She's been in a couple of other things.
I can't remember what it is,though.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Like I think she's getting casted in something, but
like I'll look into her in justa moment.
Not that big of a deal.
But I was like thinking whatwas Buddy's name, who was like
Doctor who?
And I was thinking like mattsmith, like I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
I was thinking yeah, yeah him, him changing for into
damon and him being who he wasas dr, who was really, really
weird, and one of the thingsthat my husband would always
comment on is, like you know,damon had a few had.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, and Supergirl.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, I saw that she's supposed to be Kara, which
is really, really cool.
But one of the things that myhusband said with Matt Smith
like of course he had like thelove scenes and stuff and my
husband was like I'm tired ofthem trying to say that Matt
Smith is attractive because he'snot attractive.
Why are they giving this manthese love scenes and stuff like

(33:14):
that?
I think at one point we see hisbutt, but again, this is hbo,
so they're always gonna throw inI mean wherever they can I mean
he, I'm looking at a picture,I'm looking dead at him right
now.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I'm saying I mean he's not ugly.
I mean like if, if you're intohim, like okay, um, more power
to you boy.
Like I'm right there with you,I'm like I don't know about,
like I wouldn't but I don'tthink that he's ugly.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
I think that he's interesting looking.
But you know my husband, he'sgoofy like that.
He's like I'm just tired ofpeople trying to say that he
looks good and I'm like where isthis even coming from?

Speaker 1 (33:53):
trying to say that he looks good and I'm like where
is this even coming from?
I'm like nobody, I don't knowwho's saying that, but I, as far
as I heard, like I don't thinkanyone said that.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Oh yeah, I need someone built like matt smith,
like I never heard that beforenot to mention he's got the most
generic white man name youcould actually look for or find
Matt Smith.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (34:14):
That's why I said John Smith, because it just
sounded so generic that I'm likethinking it's something.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Like fucking Pocahontas.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Man, can we not?
Because, like I'm gettingprepared for Pocahontas and,
like as an adult, there are somethemes that's clicking to me
now about Pocahontas, and, likeas an adult, there are some
themes that's clicking to me nowabout Pocahontas yeah, like
when you're a kid.
When I was watching it as a kidI was like thinking, okay, it's

(34:43):
not bad, it's cool.
But then as an adult, you'relike hold up, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Pocahontas is one of them.
Things that we all, as we gotolder and got into US history,
we were like wait, we werecompletely lied to by Disney.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, same.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
thing with Hercules.
I mean, hercules isn'ttechnically history, but like
they weren't all like a happyfamily like the gods and stuff
like that, like they were tryingto portray in hercules.
Hera and zeus were not thatsuper fond of each other right,
like that would just look awhole bunch of things.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Like you know what?
Um, we're gonna do a herculesreview anyways, like let's not
get too derailed because youknow, like I told you before we
get started, like sometimes getderailed and like, okay, let,
like I told you before, if weget started, let some songs get
derailed and like, ok, let'skeep it focused, keep focused,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I got it Sorry.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Season three.
It's in production.
Well, we it started early 2025,so it should be expected to
wrap later on this year.
So I would say mid to late nextyear that sounds right yeah,

(36:02):
yeah.
So really I want to say I justhope season three makes season 2
feel like wait.
Why do we not like Heist of theDragon again?
Oh, right.
Okay, they kind of dropped theball here and there in Season 2,
but they picked it back up inSeason 3.

(36:22):
Okay, okay, at least I'm hopingthat's the case.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
We don't know yet.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
But right now, both seasons sitting at a 7 for me
Wrong, first season, Season 2,y'all kind of disappointed me a
little.
Y'all kind of disappointed mejust a little bit, but I didn't

(36:49):
hate it.
Just a little disappointed,especially with it being that
soon into the whole run.
But um callie, you haveanything else?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
anything at all to add on to all this?
Um, I guess I'd probably agreethat I'd probably put this show
at a seven.
So far, I think it can continueto get better.
Like I said, we just have tosee how long it's going to take
or how well they're going to do.
Yeah, it looks like like yousaid.
It looks like the filming issupposed to be going from March
to October, so probably mid tonext to late next year or

(37:28):
something like that, probablyaround the same time that it
came out, and I also saw a thingthat said that it'll be four
seasons of it, so there might bea short third season and then
they'll probably finish up inthe fourth season.
If I could the way that itmight look.
I'm not quite sure, but youknow they're going to figure it
out.
I'm excited for it as long asit goes well.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, that's all I want from it, honestly, like I'm
getting to a point to where, ifit's going to be like a long
running season, it needs to beplanned out in advance, not this
whole.
Oh, we're just making shit upas we go.
Or, oh, um, something wentwrong and some folks that was

(38:11):
part of the project left.
So fuck it, we ball.
I'm like, at least be like thelate great Toriyama to where,
like, okay, I'm gonna give yousome pen and paper.
You already know how this storygoes.
I'm trusting you to know whatyou're doing without me holding

(38:33):
your hand.
And I'm talking to you, mrToyotaro.
So yeah, it's like one of thosethings where, like, hey, man,
listen, like you know thehomework, you know the source
material.
Like I'm trusting you to do agood job, just follow the source
material and you'll be fine.
But they came, like you justsaid, it's a prequel, so all

(38:59):
they have to do is just fill inthe blanks.
That's already been set inmotion.
So yeah, we'll see.
I just can't deal with morelong-running figures.
Are they still making Fast andFurious movies?
I tapped out after five dog, ahGod, it was just not the same

(39:28):
without Paul Walker, to beperfectly honest with you.
But like anyway, cali, I dothank you for being on the show
and I do hope that you be on formore nerdy news and reviews.
All right, professor Tuck, yourturn on your perspective on
House of the Dragon.

(39:49):
How are you feeling about it?

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Well, I first want to talk about the jumps.
The jumps was, it seemed atfirst like very vast, but it was
a necessary evil.
They had to cover the timeline.
The timeline is so vast in theearly days.
So some people might say that,hey, they rest certain
characters to ours.
But they truly allowed us tosee some of the full progression

(40:14):
between Raynero and Allison.
But the few from the childhoodfriends, the bitter rivals, and
season two actually benefit morebecause of that narrative.
But I found it fascinating howthe show depicts the internal
struggles of both Raynero andAllison.
They're not just good andthey're just not evil.

(40:34):
You know what I mean.
It's a huge strength of theshow.
Both are products of theirenvironment and then they're
driven by what they believe isright for their families.
You know what I mean.
Their motivations maybe seemkind of complex, but it's making
them very compelling, even whenthey seem questionable at times
.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Right, right, okay, yeah, that was the main thing
about Game of Thrones.
The charm for me.
What I liked was the shades ofgray that was there.
It's where no one's like purelyevil and no one's like purely

(41:13):
good.
It's more like there's laws andthose who break them and
whatnot.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
So what was the highlights for you?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Like the exact highlights that you just like my
god, that's dope in season onemainly uh amon riding vigar,
like seeing that gigantic dragonjust devouring all those
smaller dragons.
Well, that's the funny thing,because with the dragons that's

(41:46):
featured and keep in mind, thisis like the height of the
targaryen dynasty, where dragonsgalore, but, like you will have
adult dragons who's like fairlybig in size, but then you have
Vygar, who's like thisgargantuan monster that you're
probably seeing some like D&D towhere he's just devouring the

(42:07):
dragons and the riders on them,as you see, with Rhaenyra's son
being devoured by Rhaegar.
And that was really what got mehooked on to House of Dragons,
to where seeing how Rhaenyra wasgoing to handle the fact that
her son got killed in combatyeah, that was definitely the

(42:29):
highlight, for sure man season 1ended on a crazy note.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, that was definitely the highlight, for
sure man season one ended on acrazy note.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Uh, how do you feel about Buddy Roe, christian Cole,
how he?
Well, keep in mind thatRhaenyra and her uncle Daemon
who honestly I kind of likeDaemon a little bit, even though
they kind of sort of had afling but they were like, oh no,

(43:04):
let's not do this, not rightnow.
But then Rhaenyra came up toChristian Cole and, of course,
members of the Targaryens ifthey want to get it on with
other members of the family,that's fine, but you can't do
that with your bodyguard andChristian Cole felt like he was

(43:26):
being led on by Rhaenyra, butyou know, I think it was more
like he was like a rebound andever since then it was like he
was trying to vilify her, evengoing as far as like when he was
getting with Allison he waslike, hey yo, so you don't fuck

(43:47):
with Rhaenyra, right?
I mean, she's a high like Idon't hate her, but you know
she's a high, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah, it's a little bit different for me.
Um, when you publicly humiliatesomebody, bro, like I don't
know, when he got publiclyrejected by her and then, like
allison, got her own kind ofinfluence, and then you know
males back then, very Stilltoday, but very willing to cry,

(44:19):
they'll go and kill randompeople.
So he was definitely fueled byhis bitterness and it led to his
transformation, but that's whatset him firmly on the green
side, though.
Tell you what that man is.
Green for sure.
Just bitter, bro, because youcan't get the draws.
Did you get the draws?

(44:41):
That's all that matters, man.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
You know, like I'm just saying like listen, it is
what it is, and like, not that Ifeel nothing for him, but like,
bro, like there's just betterways to handle it, though that's
all I'm saying.
Like be like hey man, like justfall back and just don't make
yourself look bad on mishandling, the rejection.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
You know what I'm saying yeah, but her uncle,
though that's my boy.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah, the relationship got real, but like
I don't know, I like him in thesense of he's not a bad guy.
Like I said earlier, there's,like it's not very clear who's a
bad guy, who's a good guy.
There's more like people doingwhat they want and whatnot.
And Damon is a perfect exampleof that when, yeah, he might

(45:33):
assassinate somebody, but likenot a whole lot of people, but,
like you know, never mind if itwas like an enemy, but if
anything, it's more like he hasa reputation of being impulsive
and what not, like he can bekind of like a loose cannon in a

(45:54):
way, but that's what make himgood though?
yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like, that's what you neverknow what he's doing.
Females love that.
Females love that.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
That's what I'm saying like that's what, that's
what I like about him.
Females love that.
You know what I mean.
Just keep them guessing andtheir relationship like the
emotional core of the show he'sso loyal to her, but also a wild
card bro yeah, someone thatmakes the plot a little bit more
interesting mhm, as soon as hecame on screen like it's because

(46:20):
his face kind of stupid.
But when you look at his facehe just looks like he be up to
something good or bad.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Bro, you almost made me choke my soda.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
He just up to something, bro.
He got a sneaky face, but youknow, when they got their union
together, whatnot?
It solidified the black claim,but it brought us on sets of
challenges, bro I feel that.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Oh yeah, speaking of challenges, how do you feel
about the whole thing about withRhaenyra?
She's being the rightful heir,the designated heir, but she's
facing challenges with some ofthe people that believe in a
more patriarchal structure.
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 3 (47:16):
I'm so glad you mentioned that, because Mel's
gonna Mel, ain't it?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, I mean Like.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
First she was reluctant in herself, bro, and
then she moved on to being moredetermined and whatnot, but
throughout the first bit shewasn't really you know what I
mean giving like queen typejoint.
But when she moved into, likethe way she moved into, like the
way she was communicating, itmorphed into something better,
like she became more determinedand more ruthless, but all in

(47:50):
all, like females have moreattention to detail.
So I think it was better forthe realm that a queen be a
queen, like she's rightfully so.
He named her, everybody knewwhat was up and then all of a
sudden, as soon as he died, hechanged his mind Like come on,
now the realm should even know.

(48:11):
But you know they're going torock with it because they want a
male.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Right, mill, right.
And speaking of mill, um, thatone kid that became king, uh,
agon.
I'm thinking like, is it thesecond one?
Because that's the funny thing,like they keep naming these
kids agon.
But I'm talking about the onethat's like that like to go to

(48:40):
underground fights and havinghis way with the female service
and what not.
Like how would you feel abouthim?
Like, because honestly I wantto say he almost not really, but
almost gave me Joffrey vibesnow when you say Joffrey vibes.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Now, when you say Joffrey, I mean Bear in mind, I
hate Joffrey.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I mean in the sense of where, the kind of kid where,
like he, thinks he can dowhatever he wants and he's not
really fit to be king, but hejust likes being king.
He likes the regalia, he likesthe idea of people liking him,
even if he's a piece of shithimself, but he likes to be

(49:29):
liked.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I really don't like him as king.
First, he don't even know howto sit on the throne, that's
first and foremost.
And if you look at the booklore in the books, like anybody
that sat on the throne,regardless of who it was, they
would always get cut.
Because like it was sharpblades, like they would always

(49:53):
get cut.
And then them throwing thatlittle nugget in there saying
how do you sit, how are yousupposed to sit on this?
Like that was a really dopemoment for me, especially coming
from the book, because I wasdying, I was hysterical,
laughing.
But him as a ruler or potentialruler, he kind of weak-minded
but also strong.

(50:13):
So the way I mention that is heweak-minded because he listens
to everybody else and because heknows that he's not the
strongest like obviously hisbrother's stronger than him he
can easily manipulate it andthat's not good as a king and
like um he reminded me of abuddy, um, the guy that I keep

(50:36):
forgetting their names.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I'm sorry, but the one Lannister, after Joffrey,
that was the one that Margaeryhad her voice in his ear.
Yeah, tommen, that's it.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
But yeah, just like his grandfather would say, like
Tommen's grandfather would say,a man that has to say he's the
king is not the king.
You know what I mean.
Right, and the Lannister pagethe king.
You know what I mean.
Right, Right, and the landstill pays his debts.
You know what I'm saying.
But, yeah, that's how I feelabout it.
I don't really like him as aking, but like I don't know, I

(51:11):
like what happened to him.
Jesus Christ, I'm for the bloodand gore.
I'm for the blood and gore, I'mfor the blood and cheese.
You know what I mean, Right,hey, sometimes you just deserve
it.
Like I had so much satisfaction, the purple wedding, Like I was

(51:35):
so happy, and it's the same wayfor him.
Like, because you showed, likethose spurts, and like you said
that it's the same way for him.
Like, because you showed likethose spurts, and like you said
that is giving you vibes withJoffrey.
It gives you similarly the samesatisfaction when something
occurs, Like yeah, and then,like you even get your picks
Because you know if you're onthe black side.
You're like maybe she should bethe rightful king, but maybe I

(51:55):
don't know.
Maybe Aiden should be therightful king, but maybe I don't
know, maybe Aiden should be theking and I really like Aiden
but I really don't like Allison.
But her tears were kind of coolbecause she got the one blonde
dude with the one eye.
That's cool, Like you know whatI mean.
So in the year towards a fightbetween them two, it's going to
be epic too.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
By the way, just for the future reference, gotcha,
and you know what's crazy.
We're talking about joffrey anduh, agon, the second, and I'm
sitting here, like you know what, once again, I have to like
mentally block this characterout of my memory, and the only
time I even remember him is likeout of all characters in the

(52:39):
entire Game of Thrones world.
I don't think anyone as far asme hating them.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I don't think anyone is topping Ramsey Bolton because
, bro, I don't know, I didn'tdislike Ramsey as much as
everybody else did.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I could not stand Ramsey, like he like nothing
against the actor, but likesomething about his character.
Just had like the mostpunchable face oh yeah, that's a
fact.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
I agree he do got a punchable face, but I really
ain't like Sansa.
That's probably why I wasn't asInvested he did make it work
for me.
Is she a baby mama candidate?
Absolutely, but her character?

Speaker 1 (53:36):
no, I don't like Sansa at all, yeah like if Her
character no, I don't like Sansaat all yeah, like if.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
By reputation alone.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I'm like, okay, he's one of those guys where I'm like
alright, like let's not invitehim to the function, you know.
But if Just leave that alone,I'm like alright, just don't
invite him to the function.
But then santa got involvedwith him, so I'm like, okay,
that kind of made it worse forme, but hey, you know,

(54:07):
comeuppance came.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
So, like you said, it was satisfying to see him come
up don't say you want something,bro, and then don't want it,
like the whole first season isoh my god, love him.
He's gonna be king, I'm gonnabe queen, we're gonna have
babies and we're gonna havequeen, princess and princess.
Like bro, you want all that,but then when you got what you

(54:31):
needed, it was an issue.
In the same way, renera andallison wanted to be best
friends.
They're gonna be best friendsforever.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
They might even fuck a little bit, but soon as
something happens, it's all wegotta fight, because your dad,
my husband, bruh, bruh, bruhthat one scene when she was like
trying to tell on Joffrey withold lady and Marjorie and he was

(55:01):
like he's a monster and I waslike, oh well, you know, it is
what it is.
I was like they had no sympathyfor her.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
They already knew what's up.
These males be mellowing.
They used to it.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
They were both from the Tyrell family right yeah
yeah, yeah, okay, okay, gotcha.
Lady Olenna yeah, I thinkthey're both Tyrells yeah ooh,
wee man.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
But yeah, season one wrapped up real nice.
Um, the ending was dope.
I thought it was great to endon like a cliffhanger and get
everybody mad because they wantto know what's going to happen
next like that.
Was it right there?
yeah, like I was thinking like,okay, that's a great way to end
the season, where I'm like, allright, all right, war is about
to happen, let's go, let's go soit was like the whole first

(55:54):
season was like a, a prelude toeverything that was going to
happen, like it was a necessaryhistory and for you to know who
all the characters is.
Now, it's a lot of names andit's a lot of people named amon
but like, and it's a lot of, uh,what's the other name they use
a lot?
Um, what's the name?
Viserys, not viserys.
What's the name?
the second no, you had it,viserys oh, yeah, yeah, man, you

(56:18):
know, I don't know why theykeep recycling all the same
names, like if you read, likethe book, the encyclopedia of
the history of the Targaryen War, or the Dance of Dragons, as
it's formerly called, like bro,they use the same like seven
names over and over and it getsso confusing you be like no, I

(56:38):
thought this was that dude.
No, no, it's not.
And then Agon, it's like 30 ofthem.
So it get very construed andconfusing.
However, what doesn't is thefact that everybody keep,
everybody keep.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
The funny part is the coming.
The funny part is like, for me,if it's like, okay, having that
kind of lineage is not new, butat the same time it depends on
the legacy behind the person youknow like say, for instance,
like you can have like eightvisceruses or eight agons, but

(57:14):
it's like, okay, uh, which one'sthe famous one?
Which one you talk about?
No, like the famous one, likethe fourth one, oh, okay, that
one.
All right, see, it's one thing.
It's like you got all thesedifferent characters named after
this, but like, what's going onhere is they're making it sound

(57:35):
like all of them have like asignificance and it's kind of
hard to keep track of all ofthem.
But, uh, if it was more likeokay yeah, but if it was more
like okay, yeah, he's king, butthere's the seven and pay close
attention to this character.
But the other characters, likeyou might hear about them from

(57:57):
the past, but they're just onlyfor the sake of the lore, but
it's just a little piece of loreNot to distract too much.
But when you have all thesecharacters and we're supposed to
pay attention to all of them,then it's nice to have
characters who serve a purposein the plot.

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But, like, sometimes you have awhole lot of characters.
It gets hard to keep track ofall the characters you know what
I'm saying Especially ifthey're supposed to matter in
the grand scheme of things.
That's why some charactersgotta get, you know, written out
, you know you know what I'msaying.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah, it be like that sometimes.
But yeah, I like that seasonone was a nice little prelude
leading up to season two.
Because season one I know it'sa little bit some people like
don't like the slow pace andthey just want battle, battle,
battle.
But that's where the bread andbutter of Game of Thrones was.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
It was in the build Thrones was, I think I would say
with Season 1, for me, season 1is allowed to be slow if it's
doing world building andcharacter development In dearest
to the characters.
Let us get to know what kind ofworld we're dealing with.
And if you can spice it up alittle bit with like some drama,

(59:20):
whatnot, okay cool, like Idon't mind it being slow as long
as it's like building up whatwe're supposed to know anyways,
like establishing and all that.
But like by the time you get tolike season three, you're gonna
have to like come on, dog, yougotta like give us something
like really hook on to you knowyeah, like damon, like, even

(59:42):
though he's giving like loki,like you know.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
I mean, it's like you wouldn't, you wouldn't
necessarily you wouldn'tnecessarily want to like rock
with him or like him as acharacter unless you see how he
was treated and that, what he,what his mindset was for feeling
like that and why he wanted andseek glory, and then, when he

(01:00:04):
finally gets some glory, why itwas so satisfying and how he can
develop his character arc.
Like that's just necessarystuff.
That's what season one did.
They put characters and theyput impact and they brought
forth why this and that wouldhappen.
They want to bring peopletogether and then show you what
tore them apart.
And that's what season one was.
And then it splits on whythey're taking size bro, because

(01:00:29):
the size man you team green orteam black, just by the way.
Right, the what now?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
You team green or team black?
Just by the way, right thewinner.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
You're team green or team black.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Team green or team black.
I want to say I still want tostay on team black for me.
Yeah, like yeah, because youknow I was still.
I was rocking right there fromthe beginning.
So I'm like I don't see why notIf I switch up now.
I mean, I see Team Green but,like you know, I don't see any

(01:01:06):
reason to not rock with TeamBlack either.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Hey, I'm rocking with whoever the Start's rocking
with man.
Yeah, as soon as he the Start'srocking with somebody, for sure
I'm rocking with them.
I'm on Team Start.
I'm gonna see you, starks, allthe way for this day till my
last day.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
I mean also yeah, the Blacks did like have like a
little rendezvous with theStarks, so like for sure they
ain't been in the knee though,cause Starks don't be in the
knee like that right unlessthey're forced to.
Excuse me, um what else about?

(01:01:49):
Was there anything about season2 that you wanted to mention?

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
You said season 1 or season 2 season two.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
I feel like we pretty much touched based on season
one at this point yeah, I got alot to cover.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Um, let's see I'm going through my notes to make
sure I cover everything I neededto the development of agon, um,
how he developed as a King inseason two, and I want to talk
about how he growed into thatrole.
Um, he definitely wasstruggling.
He had his moments of assertionbut he was kind of immature and

(01:02:30):
had a tendency to self-indulgelike, uh, king Robert.
But he's trying to asserthimself.
But often his decisions areeither impulsive or they're
influenced by Otto and SirKristen.
Because I'm really interestedin Allison's journey.
She seemed to realize in season2 the cost of the war and her

(01:02:55):
arc became kind of tragic.
She pushed for Aegon and thennow she's facing with the
reality of the war and shehelped ignite it and that's
what's crazy.
And then she see how it'staking a toll on her and her
mental state and how everybodykeep dying and she gonna have to
man up and deal with it.
And I don't even know if she'sstrong enough to do it, bro,

(01:03:19):
like that's what was crazy forhim.
And then, um, david at harrenhall is I don't know if he
losing his mind or what wasgoing on with it was kind of
weird.
It seemed like erratic behavior, um, but I don't know if it's
kind of strategic or like areflection of his own nature

(01:03:41):
which kind of works out, becausehe got both yin and yang in his
nature, which is why he kind ofevil but kind of good at the
same time, which is kind ofweird.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
So those are some of the points, for I didn't want to
say for Um, I didn't want tosay it Like, because I didn't
want to Like add like a armchairPsychologist, like
psychoanalyzing Somebody.
But it's almost like he wasgiving off some schizophrenic
Bits, like Like he's cool at onePoint, then other times he's

(01:04:16):
like Crashing out a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Now, um what's his name at one point, and then
other times he's like crashingout a little bit Now um, what's
his name?
Uh, what's his name with theone eye.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
A-Man.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Yeah, yeah.
Now he a compelling villain.
You can understand his.
It's something you can justclearly understand.
My boy want an eye for an eye,blood for blood, but, but I
don't know.
But Hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Have you heard of this anime called Code Breaker?

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
What's it about?
It's basically about a bunch ofkids with special powers, but
I'll go into more detail off therecord because I'm trying to
stay on topic.
But point being is that theygot this thing where they say
eye for an eye, something forsomething.
It's different between theperson, but the main character
pretty much says an eye for aneye, a tooth for a tooth, evil

(01:05:14):
for evil.
I like that.
I was like that's going tostick for me and, like I said,
with the characters, they got adifferent way of saying it.
So I would say at some pointI'm going to review Cold Breaker
.
You're free to join me.
It's going to be a while beforeI actually do it, but I thought

(01:05:35):
it was fairly good, yeah, it'dbe like that sometimes, like an
eye for an eye, two for a two,evil for evil and uh, why my boy
wanna sit butt naked next tothe prostitute.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Like I'm not understanding bro getting rubbed
on like my boy need to go see apsychiatrist.
They probably ain't got themyet but his trauma, bro, and his
desire for retribution make himvery complex antagonist, so
he's gonna be a monster.
He gonna be like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Well, he's already a monster first of all, but he
gonna be even bigger monster,which is gonna make the fight
between him and Damon reallydope actually, you know what I
like the way for the most part,not all the time, not all the
characters, but some characterswhen some shit happens, like
they don't like emotionallyoverreact, and I like that

(01:06:32):
because you know, in a waythey're like calmly declaring
war on the other faction,because it's like one of those
things where, oh, we don't getmad, we just get even.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Yeah that's a fact.
So do you think Damon lovesRhaenyra or he more interested
in like power?

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Hmm, good question.
Um, because you see it inseason two, by the way.
You see it in season two towhere he wants power, but he
doesn't want it enough to Fuckover his niece and he loves his
niece.
But keep in mind, you know thewhole Targaryen customs when,

(01:07:12):
like, if they want to get it on,no one's going to stop them and
it's like I don't think it'slike he's madly in love with her
, but it's more like I amdefinitely fond of her and as
far as like getting with her,I'm like I mean, the chemistry
is kind of there.

(01:07:32):
But since callie told me that,um, there's to be at least two
more seasons after this one, soI kind of want to see where they
go with that relationship, justto solidify how I'm feeling
about it, because right now itjust feels like it's going in
that direction, but there's notenough yet.

(01:07:53):
So we really going to have tosee this hypothetical season
three and four so I can get afull opinion or my full two
cents on the romantic nature oftheir relationship.
But for right now I would sayhe definitely have a fondness of
Rhaenyra, but he won't fuck herover for power.

(01:08:14):
But he does want power though.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Yeah, he really reminds me of Loki, like a lot,
like like Loki and Thor'sdynamic because, like you know,
loki loved Thor.
However, he can't stop fuckingwith him.
He don't kill him, but healmost died and he's like, yeah,
you will be alright even if youdie, or whatever.
It's like I don't know.
His ambition and desire forpower is like Undeniable, but

(01:08:43):
it's a conflict and it's alsoNot a conflict Right and Allison
.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Drama type shit Like you kind of need an element in
there.
I know it's probablyinteresting.
You know Like it can't be allaction, like, give us some
little romance.
You know Like, oh, I mean, howis it All these soap dramas like
uh, young and Restless pop offlike People love that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Yeah, and then the only other things.
I want to put just a coupleComments on things.
The dragon Scenes areincredible, especially Vhagar's
size and his power.
He was a true standout Like.
The scale and raw power of thedragons is so impressive, bro.
They make every sequence likevery impactful and like because

(01:09:35):
it's the dance of dragons, wegot to see something we didn't
get to see a lot of in Game ofThrones, which is dragons galore
.
I want to see burningeverything.
I want to see crispy chickenevery time.
You know what I mean.
Everybody turned into crispychicken.
I'm talking about Kentucky'sfried.
We seen a lot of killing goatsand stuff like that in Game of

(01:09:59):
Thrones.
Besides, you know those twoincidents, but uh, I guess that
was crazy.
But shout out to my baby mama,though no.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Hold on.
Speaking of which?
Um, do you think Rhaenyra Ishaving the same arc as Daenerys,
but specifically beat ranthrough like you know how I
think about because, um, atfirst she's like po, she's
supposed to be an heir to thethrone, and then, like, she gets

(01:10:35):
her dragons three of them infact, and like she has children.
What it's different, obviously,but the whole point being is
that she's being um put in aposition of power and now that,
even though she's trying to bepeaceful, it's just that she's
being forced, the people areforcing her hand to fight, and

(01:10:56):
now she has to use dragons.
You know, like to make anexample of people, and you gotta
wonder, is it gonna get to apoint to where, just like with
nara's, 200 years later, renehas to get to a point where
where, just like with Rhaenyra,200 years later, rhaenyra has to
get to a point to where shemight have, like, this whole
tyrant arc going on?

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Yeah, it's down to heaven.
You know, when people feel likethey're back in the corner, they
usually lash out the most.
So, like, as we progressthroughout the seasons I think
it's going to be four seasonstotal, I can't remember if it's
three or four seasons total butas we progress through the

(01:11:35):
seasons we're going to see thatas more people keep dying and
stuff keep happening, when youfeel back into a corner you
might turn a little crazy, andthat's not just be her, it might
be other characters as well.
Crazy like, and that's not notjust be heard, it might be other
characters as well.
Um, but as far as how seasontwo was in general, like uh, in

(01:11:55):
in reference to it, from seasonone they focus more on like not
having a lot of time jumps andit allows you to deeper dive
into, like everything that goeson, what happens after the king
dies and how the the war isgoing to unfold and whatnot.
It's really diving into like,similarly to like season three
of like game of thrones, it'sfocusing less on the world

(01:12:18):
building, the more on thecharacters.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
So season one was world building, season two was
focusing on the character arcsand then season three I'm I'm
thinking it's going to build upon the character arc and then
evolve into some specificdynamics yeah I can see that
because, yeah, like the seasontwo, it just felt more like a

(01:12:43):
build-up for season three, likethey're really hoping it gets
season 3, which, by the way, iscurrently in production, like
they're already doing filmingand what not.
So chances are we might getseason 3 mid next year, like
summer next year.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Maybe I'm just projecting like get some yeah,
and the war gonna draw in otherregions and houses across
Westeros.
Because, like I don't know,have you read the books?

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Mm-mm.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Like the Battle of the Gullet that's the only one
to look out for and the Fall ofKing's Landing.
And, of course, a whole bunchof Dragonriders going to happen.
Like the Fall of King's Landing, bro, oh, oh, if I could
describe it as anything like inthe books.
Just put picture, just, anytimeAll Might comes and saves the

(01:13:35):
day, it just gives yousatisfaction.
Like Right, it's going to bedope and it's a great twist and
it's going to be very you knowhow, like you and Talos tell me
that, uh, I should watch thisbecause, oh my god, oh my god,
you don't want to spoil it.

(01:13:56):
Right, that's how it is, bro.
Like it's gonna be dope, allright, that's all I had on it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Okay, gotcha, gotcha, um, I guess one was there
anything, I don't know the wholething.
The comparison between Rhaenyraand Daenerys.
That was the last one I had too, because I was thinking, for
the most part I'm digging Houseof the Dragon.
Some say that with season twoit kind of dipped in quality and

(01:14:28):
I'm like okay, because yeah,you could say that Some
character, arts or Relationshipswasn't really going anywhere.
But you know, theory season isover yet, so we'll just have to
see if they Pick it back up onit.
You know, that's a fact.
I have one more note too, mylast note.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
I read everything Except this one, but I wanted
you to know see if they pick itback up on it.
You know that's a fact.
I have one more note too, mylast note.
I read everything except thisone, but I wanted you to know
that the visual language of thecostumes, like comparing, like
the two factions, the blackswear blacks, the greens wear
greens.
All of that because they gothrough different shades of
black and green, which is crazythat they stick to that for the
most part.
Or like when Ray Nero andAllison had met up, even though

(01:15:15):
Allison had on green, she had onblack earrings and vice versa.
It was dope, those littlenuances.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Yeah, it's like, yeah , we're on opposing teams, but
we still kind of fucked witheach other.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Yeah, they should have fucked in the season 1.
That's what should havehappened.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
That would be like Crazy, like it would have felt
like I want to say I mean itkind of would be Romeo and
Juliet, but it doesn't really gothat direction, at least not
until the end.
But I was like thinking, well,no, no, no, no, that's pretty
much right, because I wasthinking like the Montagues and

(01:15:58):
the Capulets or what was theother family view?
It was the McCoys and somethingelse.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
The McCoys and the Hatfields, yeah the Hatfields,
that it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Yeah, the Hatfields, right, right, right right.
It could be something like thatto where I like, yeah, we're
like opposing forces, but wekind of oppose each other low
key.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
So yeah, I'm a little .
I'm a little bit um, coco gotto a little bit.
I'll be nerding out in thebooks when it.
When it's a book like I read,well, I, I read crap out of that
book.
Like you can't tell me nothingabout no book, I done read Harry
Potter, I'm in there Like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
You should do Book Club with Mirror Jane when we
get that going.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Oh, yeah, for sure, man, I be reading so many books,
like I'm telling you thevampire system.
I finished that.
I finished that.
I finished that.
It had like 1,800 chapters Damnyeah, I'm really into vampires
and like mythology right now, soall of Rick Riordan books and
things like that.
So, yeah, we should definitelydo that.
I'll get up with Mirror, jane,cool, cool, cool cool.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Ah, yeah, like that's all I have to say about it.
House of Dragons I'm gonna sayI didn't hate season Two.
It is more like my main thingis, I just don't like it when
Character development Doesn'treally go anywhere, when it Seem
like you're trying to cook thischaracter and then the Finish

(01:17:25):
product is Subpar.
I just don't like that,especially when it seems like uh
, once again, like I said, I'mtrying to write original stories
and my main thing is I lovetrying to focus on the
characters, because I believethe characters really drive the
story.
So I like well-writtencharacters.

(01:17:46):
So if the character's not realwritten, then you're gonna hear
from me yeah, that's a factother than that, no, like good
build up to what's gonna become.
So for a time being I wouldstand by.
I would say at least a 7 out of10, maybe 7.5.

(01:18:07):
I really want to say it's notbad, it was pretty decent.
Just it's not there yet.
Like I think by the time we getseason 3 it's like okay, it'll
be right back up anything.
They'll probably treat it likeinvincible to where, by the way,
we still need to do invincible.
I don't know why we haven'tdone it yet, think.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
JB think.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Invincible.
To where, by the way, we stillneed to do Invincible.
I don't know why we haven'tdone it yet.
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Think, jb Think.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
They'll probably Treat it like Invincible.
To where season One was bad,season two was kind of a dip,
but then season three okay, goesback up again.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Oh man, we ain't did Invincible.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Nah, well you, we've been planning, but things kept
getting in the way.
We had to reschedule andwhatnot, like we.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
I don't even get a real name, I just get a purpose,
bro, that's non-quiz.
You watched the Walking Dead?

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Yeah, I did, but my thing is crazy enough.
I fell off right after Neganwas introduced, okay so Bro, it
paid off so well.
Oh, the rematch of the fuckingdecade though.
Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't waitthe rematch of the fucking
decade though, yeah, I can'twait to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
I can't wait till we do that.
We gotta put that on the docketalright, but I'm thinking
definitely not June.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
It's kind of pat this month, next month we're going
on break.
I might pencil it in for August.
As early as August we'll try todo one.
We're going to do my HeroAcademia on August too.
I'm in a superhero mood forAugust, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
I'm saying that Superheroes unite yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Tuck, do you have anything else you want to add on
?
Nah, I'm good.
Good.
Well, tuck, you have anythingelse you want to add on?
Nah, I'm good.
Well, tuck, thank you for beingon the show and I thank the
listener for listening to us tothe end.
Go ahead and have yourself agood morning, good afternoon,
good evening, good night, butultimately, you go ahead and
take it easy.