Netflix's Devil May Cry: A Demon-Slaying Renaissance

When the creators of Netflix's Devil May Cry described their vision as "part of the bootleg multiverse alongside Castlevania," they weren't just name-dropping – they were signaling their ambitious reimagining of a beloved franchise that walks the perfect line between honoring its roots and charting bold new territory.

This eight-episode thrill ride follows Dante, a devil-hunter-for-hire who finds himself caught between government organization Dark Round Command and a demon-obsessed terrorist called White Rabbit. What begins as a straightforward monster-hunting mission evolves into something far more complex, raising questions about identity, humanity's fear of the unknown, and the blurry line between monsters and men.

The series shines brightest through its stunning animation that balances traditional techniques with CGI for breathtaking fight sequences. Episode six stands out with its dual art styles, showcasing the creative team's willingness to push visual boundaries. Complementing the visuals, the soundtrack delivers a powerful punch with original compositions by Power Glove alongside licensed tracks from Limp Bizkit and Amy Lee that perfectly capture the millennial nostalgia at the heart of this adaptation.

Voice talent elevates every scene, with Johnny Yong Bosch reprising his role as Dante and the late Kevin Conroy delivering a commanding performance as Vice President Baines. The series doesn't shy away from its video game origins, incorporating numerous Easter eggs that connect to both Devil May Cry and Resident Evil – acknowledging the fascinating development history where Devil May Cry began as a concept for a Resident Evil game before taking its own path.

Whether you're a longtime fan or newcomer to Dante's world, this reimagined Devil May Cry delivers heart-pounding action, unexpected emotional depth, and a storyline that will leave you craving season two. Subscribe and join us in the demon realm – where sometimes the most demonic threats wear human faces.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
all right, let's go ahead and talk about that new
devil may cry anime that's onnetflix.
I know there's the 2007 versionof it and it was pretty good,
pretty.
But this 2025 version I like it.
It it was pretty good, prettysolid.
Like if I were to give it arating right now it's kind of

(00:23):
sliding between an 8.5 and a9for me, like there's like one or
two that I had where it waslike okay, um, I'm kind of this
sort of thing kind of gettingold for me, so let me just go
ahead and blaze through it realquick.
So, while being hunted by thegovernment organization dark

(00:46):
round command or dark com, underthe vice president william
baines, uh, dante, a demonhunter for hire, comes into
conflict with a demon obsessedterrorist called the white
rabbit, who seeks revenge onhuman race.
But we find out that the plotthickens quite.
I mean, I want to say the plotwas developing throughout the

(01:12):
whole eight, but it was likethat plot twist, like especially
in episode six.
I'll get there.
I want to say it's fairly wellanimated, especially episode six
, which balanced two differentart styles.
I do have mixed feelings aboutthe CGI, though.
Like normally I hate CGI inanime, but sometimes CGI works

(01:38):
for certain designs and fights,like, for instance, there is
this one anime.
I won't even say it's like top100 for me, but I do like it.
It's a personal favorite.
I might review it at some point.
I'm thinking lace rider, towhere some of the fights in that
anime and the designs where I'mlike, okay, I can see how it

(02:01):
can work in this instance, butnot everything needs to be seen
Some gratuitous violence andaction to enjoy.
Definitely.
I love that you don't knowwho's going to survive in this
series at first, but you know bythe second watch through,
you're like, okay, I know who'sgoing to die, but like, then

(02:23):
again, I feel like that was justfor the sake of the plot.
Like we know who's probablygoing to survive through all
this, like the main players, ofcourse, but then, oh shit, I
didn't expect them to die.
In this Surprisingly goodsoundtrack by Power Glove,

(02:43):
especially that one track,faceless Cries, when the vice
president told Darkon to hey, yolike fuck all that.
Like kill all the refugees,kill all the demons, kill all of
them.
So that song came on and I waslike, oh yes, like it was giving
me echoes to when we werewatching Arcane and I'm like I
just love the placement of themusic and, oh, the license music

(03:07):
.
Like hearing limp biscuit andamy lee and all those different
people.
I'm like, oh shit, like musicwise, this anime got some sauce
to it, okay, okay, okay, somefunny jokes here and there.
But it could have honed down thecursing at least from lady,
like see, here's my thing.
Normally I don't care about thecussing too much, but lady was

(03:31):
throwing out a little too manyf-bombs for me and like not to
like man, like ironically comingup a little on lady, like for
lady be like cussing that damnmuch, like like it seems like
she has to cuss like every scenethat she's in.
I'm like bro, like dante Idon't think dante or any other

(03:56):
character cursed as much as shedid.
That's what made it weird forme some notable people voicing
the characters Like hold on.
I'm going to pull up a list ofvoice actors because I was kind
of impressed by this lineup, butI also want to throw in
Virgil's cameo appearance.
Well, I will say it's a cameoappearance because he's the

(04:18):
first time.
It was the demon baby, so weget a good look at his human
form, but that was the demonbaby masquerading as Virgil.
Then the second time we got thedemonic form and even though
White Rabbit didn't say his name, we were like, okay, anybody
who played the game was like weknow who that is, we know that's

(04:38):
Virgil.
Like your whole plot to get theamulet?
Like use the two halvestogether and get Sparta's sword.
I'm like, bro, like if you needboth brothers' blood, like we
can like put two or two togetherand see that's obviously Virgil
.
And then the third time was atthe very end where he showed up

(05:00):
and I'm like, alright, bet, sothe humans waging war on the
Makaiansans?
Alright, we're gonna wage warright back.
And I am really waiting andanticipating season 2, that note
.
Speaking of which, the way Mary,excuse me, like they say we

(05:22):
know her real name, mary Arkham,but I'm so used to lady,
sometimes they call her by hergovernment name just kind of
throws me off.
Sometimes the way ladyexplained the story of sparta
sounded like the way we woulddescribe the story like you know
, oh well, you know, badass,demon knight, um, this don't

(05:44):
fuck up shit.
And at some point he waslooking at the Demon King, like
you know what this kind offucked up?
I'm like, hey, yo, I feel kindof called out, because that does
sound like the way I woulddescribe the plot.
But yeah, like I said, it'slike sliding between an 8.5 and

(06:10):
a 9.
For me it's like it was eitherbetween the cgi and the
unnecessary amount of cussingfrom lady.
I'm like you can like tone itdown just a little bit.
Then again, those are justnitpicks, I want to say it's a
really good anime regardless and, like I said, can't wait for
season two.
But that's enough about meblabbering kogagatsu, let's get
your take on the 2025.

(06:32):
Devil may cry all right y'all.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
What's up everybody?
So first off, I love devil maycry series.
Been a big fan of it since thevery beginning, even when I was
like really little couldn't evenbe old enough to play it back
when it was originally supposedto be a resident evil game for
all y'all who actually knew.
And so if you wind up missingthat little snip bit that they
easter, they put inside theepisode kind of weird, by the

(06:55):
way, because I keep thinking ofyou.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Remember how we did the assassin's creed stream
review, where originally,assassin's creed was going to be
a Prince of Persia game, andlook at it now.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yep, and the thing about it is also there's a whole
lot of lore into that one.
But I mean, the simplest way ofputting it, so that way I can
get back to Devil May Cry, isthe fact that, yeah, so Resident
Evil 2 did not do very well.
It was not.
It was not sure exactly whatwas going to happen yet.
Like.
It wasn't bad, it wasdefinitely still a step up from

(07:29):
one, but it didn't do the salesthat they thought it was going
to be.
Then three.
Then it came out with three.
Three did fantastic.
And they were like okay, cool,three did fantastic.
Now we have an idea what we'regoing to step up.
And then it was like, okay,we're going to make it more
actioning and we're going tomake a character who's like
immune to the virus.
And that's where it kind of gotpretty crazy, because they

(07:51):
weren't sure exactly how to doit.
The concept was that it wasgoing to be an enhanced human
who was able to use the guns,but the problem was it became
too actiony.
The developers was like, Idon't know, the fans might not
like it, because resident evil'sbeen a no horror survivor maybe
you know, you know what kookagot to I?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
I noticed that the moment I saw a white rabbit
getting roided out, when he uh,feasted on bloodstripe blood and
became a demon, I'm like youknow what?
Why am I getting resident evilvibes now?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
that's the point.
That was absolutely the point.
So the person that actuallywrote and helped direct this was
a major fan of the devil maycry series and the resident evil
series.
Um, they actually pitched tocapcom to be able to try to redo
, because capcom has tried toredo devil may cry before.
Hence we have dmc devil may crywhich that particular game.
Though it did not get the bestreviews, I played it and I

(08:45):
promise you I think I've done areview, it was alright.
The gameplay is solid.
I hate it.
It's like for me.
It's like the same for one ofthe God of War games God of War
Ascension Storyline I'm not toosure about that, but the
gameplay Fantastic, absolutelyfantastic gameplay.

(09:06):
You would go back just to playstoryline I'm not too sure about
that, but the gameplayfantastic, absolutely fantastic.
Just to play the game becausethe mechanics were so fantastic.
But otherwise would you begetting into the story?
No, not really.
The story's not.
It's not horrible, but it's oneof those ones like it has a lot
.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
can I be honest with you?
Devil May Cry, the video games.
I love the action, but crazyenough, for some reason the lore
kind of escaped me, so I waslike I'm playing the game I like
the game, but I'm like, eh, youknow brotherly rivalry and all
that, yeah, because it's kind ofset up to where you know what

(09:43):
you're here for.
You're here for the gratuitousbuying, you're here for the
action, but like go ahead.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Devil May Cry did the same thing that Star Wars did.
Remember, the very first StarWars film we saw was smack dab
in the very middle of the seriesof the Skywalker saga.
There was a whole prequel andthen there's a whole sequel, but
we slapped right in the middle.
Devil May Cry 1 did that.
We were in the middle.
Then we had Devil May Cry 2,which takes place later.

(10:08):
Then we had Devil May Cry 3,which was the prequel to
everything.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's why it felt so backwards when I tried to
revisit the series.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Okay yep, and then Devil May Cry 4 fits somewhere
between 1 and two, it doesn't.
It's at some points of it seemslike it's supposed to take
place after two, then at somepoints to take place before two,
and it gets so crazy.
But if you play devil may cry 5, devil may cry 5 completely
retcons two and and uh, four,two and four.

(10:41):
Damn near a whole differenttimeline at this point hold on
now.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I understand that.
Yeah, this anime could havebeen it's own thing, but like it
is, yes, that's what I wassaying as far as DMC Devil May
Cry.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
So DMC Devil May Cry Capcom wanted to remake Devil
May Cry after Devil May Cry 3because they did the prequel but
they weren't sure what to doafter that.
So before we got Devil May Cryafter Devil May Cry 3, because
they did the prequel but theyweren't sure what to do after
that.
So before we got Devil May Cry4, capcom reached out to Ninja
Theory because they're like hey,you've done the Ninja Gaiden
games, you've done all theseother games.
You guys do fantastic.
I want to see your take on thisseries.

(11:17):
And they said that and createdDMC Devil May Cry.
Fans again, gameplay was solid,storyline was lackluster, but
there were multiple points inthat game.
They took shots on the originalgame, the original game series
and the original storyline, andthat's what people were mad
about.

(11:37):
Because, keep in mind onto this, right before devil may cry 3
came out, we we got the 2007Devil May Cry animated series.
Now I know you said it was allright.
I'm going to be honest with you, not really.
That Devil May Cry that Dantetakes place right after Devil

(11:58):
May Cry 2.
But Devil May Cry 2 Dante hasno humor.
May Cry 2, dante has no humor.
He's like an older, seriousDante that just he gets to the
point but doesn't really crackjokes like that.
He's just like very boringcharacter.
It's like okay, I don't likethis because that's not who
Dante was, even if you didn'tplay like before, because it was

(12:19):
before DMC 3 came out anyway.
In Devil May Cry 1, dantecracked jokes.
He picked on people While hewas massacring these demons.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
He was cracking jokes on them, that one scene where
he was getting shot at and thenhe was standing right beside him
and was like who are we?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
shooting at Exactly.
And so in DMC 2, it did nothave that.
It became too serious and thenthe original animated series
took place right after that andkept the exact same thing.
The storyline was too seriousand that's why a lot of people
didn't like it.
It had a decent story.
We got a chance to get all thecharacters.
We got lady.

(12:59):
We wound up getting the otherlady.
Um, that was, uh, the demonthat was posing as a human that
we wound up getting all these.
We, um, that was, uh, the demonthat was posing as a human that
we wound up getting all these.
We're gonna get almosteverybody except virgil, of
course.
But it just was too serious.
There was no comp, no comedicappeal, which was one of the
best parts of devil may cry.
It wasn't just action gameplay,it wasn't just a lore because,

(13:21):
like you said we talked aboutbefore, the lore wasn't fully
built yet.
The lore didn't finish gettingbuilt until 3 came out.
So the series didn't do as well, and so they were trying to
figure out what to do.
So they redid the series withDMC.
Fans hated it.
So then they created Devil MayCry 4.
Fans were so-so about it.

(13:42):
We were like, uh, you'reintroducing a new character.
But we missed.
But we want dante.
It seemed like a lot of peoplethought, with devil may cry 3
coming out with it being,instead of considering it a
prequel, they thought they wereretelling the series to get out
of what dmc 2 did, because dmc 2did not do very well, just like
what happened with the ResidentEvil was not doing as well,

(14:04):
until they made Resident Evil 4.
They made Resident Evil 4,people absolutely loved it, one
of the absolute best in theseries.
That's what Capcom was hopingto do, the same for Devil May
Cry when they made Devil May Cry4.
Fortunately it did not work outthat well.
People did not like Nero and bythe time we did get Dante, we

(14:25):
got so very little of Dante inthat game it felt like a slap in
the face again.
We as fans just got slapped inthe face with DMC Devil May Cry.
Why are you slapping us in theface again with Devil May Cry 4
going back to the originaltimeline?
Why are we doing this?
So fans naturally extremelyupset this series here.

(14:46):
This also is a retelling.
We've gone back.
This whole story is devil maycry 3 all over again, but
different.
In devil may cry 3.
Dante wound up already meetingup with virgil about halfway
through the series, the main badguy in this being mundus mundus
fused with the human who was apreacher, who was Lady's father.

(15:07):
That was the story in Devil MayCry 3.
Lady's father was the ultimatebad guy.
That's not what happened inthis series.
Lady did not join any type ofmilitary or anything.
This is a completely differentretelling of the story.
This has nothing to do with theoriginal story whatsoever.
This is a different timeline.
It's another retelling of thestory.
This has nothing to do with theoriginal story whatsoever.

(15:27):
This is a different timeline.
It's another retelling andthey're trying to see how well
does this work?
But they got a writer that is ahuge fan of the original series
and of Resident Evil.
That's why there are momentswhen we're following Lady.
Lady's story follows ResidentEvil storyline, keep in mind,
especially once she gets intothe hotel.

(15:48):
When she gets to the hotel,it's straight up survival.
Her whole team has beenmassacred and died.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
That happens well, not technically the first, but I
didn't realize until now, likewith the, white rabbit, that was
like the most obvious one.
But now that I think about it,yeah, that whole thing just felt
like Resident Evil all overagain, to where, like her whole
team went in there they weregetting killed off, and then she
was the only one going upagainst multiple demons and so

(16:19):
she's having to make it throughby herself but hold on, you
continue your role, but you justspat out a whole bunch of
things that I want to go onbefore I forget.
First of all, between the 2007and the 2025 version of the
anime.
That's a funny thing Somepeople want more serious work

(16:41):
and some people want the funny.
But it just feels like a littlewhat's the word I'm looking for
?
Fickle, where it's likesometimes they want serious,
sometimes they want it funny,like it really depends on what
it is exactly, but like sincethe creator understood the
assignment, like it kind ofshows in this product, so I'm

(17:02):
like okay, good.
So me, personally, I kind oflike the series tone, even
though I knew that wasuncharacteristic of Dante, but I
just kind of liked it.
Well, because, keep in mind, Idid watch it only once, so I
don't even remember half of it,but for the most part I thought
to myself I didn't hate it.

(17:23):
I can at least say I didn'thate it.
I can at least say I didn'thate it.
But the second thing was Lady.
I was going to mention how herwhole backstory was interesting,
but at the same time it's funnyhow, like, okay, pretty sure,
this is not Lady's backstoryaccording to the game, so it

(17:43):
makes it more obvious that thisis not Lady's backstory
according to the game.
So it makes it more obviousthat this is a retelling.
And I was going to mention how,between Arcane and Trigun
Stampede, sometimes retellingkind of hits good like it's not
the original, it deviates fromthe original lore, but at the

(18:05):
same time you can Still tellthat the spirit of it Is still
infused in this retelling Towhere, like okay, at least
they're not going in such a wildas direction that it just Feels
like you're like Lost, you'reantagonizing the core Audience.

(18:25):
Looking at you, belma you couldprobably put it as that aspect,
but yeah, absolutely, Iappreciate that and I swear to
oh right, I meant the uh voiceacting.
Okay, first of all, we got theboy johnny young botch as dante,

(18:45):
because you know he was doingit in the video game, so I
appreciate that he signed downfor this.
Uh, I was surprised kevinconroy was the vice president,
even though some of his lineswas added on by a guy named ian
james corley, because you know,rest in peace to the legend.
But but I was surprised On thefucking plane when he was

(19:06):
talking to Dante, was thatBatman?
Oh shit, I was like geeking outa little bit.
Hold on, I just heard BatmanKeeping it moving.
Kenny Omega From you know it'sAEW, all Elite wrestling.

(19:27):
Uh, I was kind of surprisedthat he was plasma, the demon
that was disguising as one ofthe mercenaries.
Um, in dark home.
Uh, who else like, uh, carriewalgren.
Uh, you might know her, um befamiliar with her as Horiko from
FLCL.
Roger L Jackson, who was Mojo,jojo and Butch from the

(19:51):
Powerpuff Girls.
Some surprisingly noticeablevoices was on this shit.
So I was like I immediatelypicked that up.
I was like, hold on, I'mfamiliar with that voice.
Where did I hear that voice?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
from I'm going to tell you this real quick so you
understand the voice actors andthe music was because this was a
straight up for the millennialsshow.
Okay, this is straight up forthe millennials, straight up for
us.
That's what it was supposed tobe for all the 80s and 90s
babies.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh, it's a love letter to the core band it's
just like dry gun Stampede allover again, aww.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
That's exactly what it was written to be.
You could feel that, writinginto it All the stuff into it,
some of the corny jokes thatDante was saying it was hit to
the original fans of Devil MayCry, to the original fans of
Resident Evil and to us 80s, 90sbabies man, it was all us.
This person was willing to dothat and they did it.

(20:50):
That's why I absolutely lovedit.
Absolutely loved it.
Now, as far as I salute you,sir, absolutely same here.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
wait, hold on, let me .
I don't want to like getthrough my agenda like it's a
dude.
Okay, okay, okay Cool.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
So yeah, other things also.
You had mentioned about themusic.
There's a couple of things intothe music as well, like I
already mentioned about it beingit's for the millennials.
But another thing into it aswell is the fact that there was
one thing that did make a lot offans upset.
Remember I told you devil maycry, for it got already mad.
Mad people, some people likedit, most people didn't

(21:27):
necessarily like it, but nobodysaid that they straight up hated
it.
Just wasn't what they wereexpecting it to be.
So one of the things is is thatnarrow has his own special
theme when he unlocks his deviltrigger, because his is a very
different type of devil triggerthan everybody else's.
He doesn't turn full devil likethat he does now in devil may
cry 5.

(21:47):
Sorry if I spoiled it for you,if you haven't played it, but I
mean the game is over 10 yearsold now.
I'm just saying yeah, exactlylike 10 years old whatever, I'm
sorry but whatever he didn'tturn full devil on devil trigger
whenever he um did it in devilmay cry 4.
He had his own special themewhenever he did it in Devil May
Cry 4.
He had his own special themewhenever he activated it.
He wound up recycling his themefor Dante when Dante first

(22:12):
fully unlocked his Devil Triggerafter the plane accident.
So when he finally, after theplane explosion, when he fully
unlocked it, boom, we wound uphearing this music.
People was very upset and itwasn't for the design, because
it's also a whole new redesignof the double trigger.
Again, nobody's upset about itbecause it still looks fire as
hell.
People were just upset becausethey were hoping for Dante's

(22:33):
theme but we got Nero's theme.
So there has not been anyparticular explanation into that
.
However, considering the factthat clearly there's something
important to all the musicchoice, there might be a reason
for that Because Nero was neverfully realized this one.
Even though Dante awakens hisdevil tricker, he does not fully
realize it yet.

(22:54):
It might be a theme, notnecessarily for Nero, but might
be a theme of I got DevilTrigger, but I don't fully know
what I'm doing yet.
The reason I say that isbecause in the final episode,
when Dante goes Devil Trigger.
We finally get Dante's themeback.
So there is a difference intoit and I'm going to guess that

(23:17):
might be the point.
But I haven't read any articlesor seen interviews as far as
that.
I've only seen points of peoplebeing upset after the plane
accident, the plane destructionand that song coming up with
Dante's devil trigger and itwound up being not what fans
wanted originally.
But it's not enough to makepeople hate the series.
They're like oh, I'm notdropping it, it's still a
fantastic series.
I'm definitely going to watchit.

(23:44):
But that was a big note intothat for the music.
Going back really quick withlady um, I want to also mention
because, like I said, it's acallback to resident evil for
her moment, especially when shewent through the whole building.
It was full survival.
She's very limited on bulletsand still having to try to make
it through, having to strategizeeverything you had to do for
some, for you know, zombiesurvival for Resident Evil 1, 2,
3, and 4.
So one thing I will makemention into this I already

(24:05):
mentioned before that Capcom wasunsure if Devil May Cry 1 would
do fine as a Resident Evil game, so that's why they dropped the
title, called it somethingdifferent.
Devil May Cry kind of redid thestory a little bit more, made it
to where Dante was half towhere he was half demon, instead
of making him kind of a halfvirus infected person that's

(24:27):
immune to it per se.
They did throw this theme backinto Resident Evil and they did
it in Resident Evil 6, where wehad a character uh, jason, I
think his name was.
I remember it started with a J.
It's been a while since Iplayed it but and I want to do a
review until I go right back,I'll make sure I have it.
But he winds up being Wesker'sson.

(24:52):
So because he's Wesker's son,where Wesker had already
infected himself with a mutatedversion of the T-Virus, was
immune to the Galapagos virus,so he was not able to be turned,
even if he got bit, and it gavehim super strength and super
abilities and stuff, fans weremad at Resident Evil 6.

(25:12):
This is too action-y.
This is not a survival.
You're playing with a personwho's damn near immune.
How is it that he dies?
It doesn't make sense.
So capcom applaud you for that.
You made the right decision tomake it devil may cry instead of
making another resident evilgame fans was not mad about, was
not happy about that, becausewhen they brought it back

(25:34):
resident evil 6, they were likenope, never mind, we made a
mistake and that's why we gotresident evil 7 being so big
when you were making theseparallels between Devil May Cry
and Resident Evil, the creatorbrought parallels between Devil
May Cry and the comic book Ironman in terms of popularity and
wanted to give a revision basedon the Christopher Nolan Dark

(25:56):
Knight trilogy.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
And I want to say that's kind of funny because,
keep in mind, with the MCU, itall started with the Iron man
movie and they weren't sure howwell it was gonna pop off, but
it did well enough to warrantmore.
So it's kind of like saying,okay, well, uh, it's good that
you took a chance with this ideato where all right, let's go a

(26:18):
different route with ResidentEvil.
In fact, let's not even call itResident Evil, let's call it
something else.
Like you know, we kept messingaround with mutants and whatnot.
Let's do demons Devil May Cry.
We'll call it Devil May Cry.
We're going to have like thishalf human, half demon hybrid,
you know, like some Inuyashatype shit.
And yeah, it's going to be good, it's going to be great.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And it worked.
It wound up workingfantastically.
That's a whole separate idea,so fantastic.
Answer to that yeah, yeah,you're right.
So also the series.
I definitely would give it agood 8.59.
I agree with you on to that one.
That do have little momentsthat I have into it.
It now, when you mention as faras the animation, um cgi, I do

(27:03):
understand what you mean intothat.
The thing about it is is thatthe most popular animation style
currently, right now, was madepopular with jiu-jitsu kaizen.
I have to be honest here,because demon slayer has a whole
different animation.
It is immensely clean, oldschool art style with vibrant
colors.
Jujutsu Kaisen would wind upmaking the art style of

(27:24):
storyboard animation popular.
What I mean by that is, if youdo a bunch of freeze frames,
you'll notice that a lot ofthese pictures look like it came
straight from the storyboardwithout being quote, unquote,
refined.
Whenever you as an artistartist, there's a different
process.
Whenever you're making anypictures, you're making the
picture of.
You have the rough draft, youhave the storyboard, then you

(27:48):
have the inking and then youhave the coloration.
What's going on is that thisnew animation style that became
super popular, because we'veseen this, not just jujutsu
kaisen.
We've seen it with thecastlevania series.
We We've seen it with SoloLeveling.
We're seeing it also again.
Devil May Cry.
We're seeing it in a lot ofanime, even One Piece.
The newest animation styleadapted this same animation on

(28:09):
certain fights.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Hold on.
It's funny that you mentionedCastlevania because, once again,
the creator considered thisseries to be part of the bootleg
multiverse on Netflix,alongside castlevania, nocturne
and captain laserhawk yep,because captain laserhawk is
also does the exact sameanimation style.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, I can understand that.
It's pretty funny.
I mean it wouldn't be toosurprised.
Everywhere now is trying tomake a multiverse series and
stuff.
It's you and dc you're kind ofcalled out.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
But then again it's like my multiverse, like for the
most part when I make theseseries.
It's not going to tie in toomuch, it's going to be more like
, hey, yo hold on.
I'm starting to see some dustconnecting, but it's not going
to really converge until thevery end yep, because you have
two ways you do it.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
You either do easter eggs or you do parallels.
Parallels means it's in thesame universe, easter eggs means
I'm just calling back to it.
That's about it.
Yeah, pretty much, but I willsay, when it came down to it,
because of this storyboardanimation style, it does not
blend well with CGI.

(29:21):
Cgi people were already nervousbefore about a previous
animation style, the ghiblianimation style, which is more
refined, more clean, slower andhaving moments of the original
anime original anime back in the80s where it wound up having
you drew one picture and it kindof the camera panned across the
whole picture, type of thing um, where I had moments into that.
A lot of people were stillfrustrated about cgi.
Then one, one of the biggest,most notable ones, overlord

(29:43):
series, and I think it wasseason two with the goats.
I don't remember that seasontwo or season one, but I still
remember to this day the goats.
Cgi in that anime was stilltanked as one of the worst one
of not the, because there wasanother anime that also had, I
think, worse than that but itwas one of the worst cgi

(30:06):
mentioned moments inside of thatanimation style, another one
being what they tried to do forum, for the seven deadly sins,
but that was also.
It was just a failed use of cgi.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
But bro, honestly I would say, as far as cgi uses, I
think nothing is going to beworse than the way handshakers
tried to um do that shit becausewhen I saw that shit, I was
like bro, like this looksterrible, hard to look at yeah,
straight up.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
So because of the um, because this animation style,
it does not mix well with CGIand I do agree with you on that,
because CGI has a morerefinement to it.
So when you're puttingsomething refined into an art
style that eliminates therefinement process, it goes
straight from storyboardstraight to coloration.
Yeah, they'll do a little bitof cleanup, of course, but

(30:58):
you'll notice, in the linepatterns and stuff there's
nothing that makes it morerefined into that.
It's just straight up like verythin, almost a pencil that had
a good inking process and thenmoved forward.
There was no pen in therewhatsoever.
If it was a pen, it felt morelike a ballpoint pen.
So because of this animationstyle it doesn't blend well with

(31:19):
CGI and I do agree with you onthat.
But thinking about it, is thisthe most popular animation style
right now is also the biggesttime saver, because by
eliminating that inking process,that that refinement there and
just having refinement of morecolors, it does actually save
time in animation, so allowsthem to be able to put out stuff

(31:39):
a little bit faster.
So we're going to see thisanimation style a lot more and a
lot in fighting anime as well.
There's tons of other animethat wands been incorporating it
to even shangalaw frontierseason two, which we just did
review on, will.
Actually the action sequenceadopts the the same storyboard
art animation during times whenthey're talking and during just

(32:02):
like moments they're going tosee the refinement process.
But if it's an action, actionsequence, you're going to see
storyboard animation.
It's going to be completelydifferent.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
But it doesn't do bad incorporating it, but yeah I'm
trying to get into 3D animationso I can't be too mad at CGI
being used in movies and TVshows.
However, my whole thing is likein some moments, like did we
really need CGI there?
Like are you sure that couldhave been hand drawn?

(32:33):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Think about the time into it Hand drawing.
Right now, solo leveling issuch a big thing because they
already pushed back the releasedate onto that one again.
Originally we had 2026, nowthey're saying 2027, um, for
season three.
And so now it's like, okay,we're going to be waiting
significantly longer possibly,and then they also pushed that
whole.
But we need fans to support us.

(32:55):
We need fans to really do andit's like what do you mean?
And they mean support differentto what we was assuming.
It was like, oh, you wanted youwere upset because you didn't
get the.
That like you got nominated butyou didn't win the award type
of thing.
I mean you still got highnomination.
Y'all was very close.
Y'all would just just lost tofreeway.
That was about it.
Freeway just wound up being it.
Solo leveling was great foraction.

(33:16):
Freeway had action and alsogreat storytelling and emotional
moments just hit more, morepoints into it.
But it doesn't mean that thenumbers was that far off.
It really wasn't like.
Solo leveling was still reallygood.
Second, nobody came close totopping solo leveling for the
second.
That's just what it was.
But we were thinking maybe it'sthat or you're just upset about
that one, but no, I think it'smore of a funding thing.

(33:37):
I'm'm not sure.
They haven't said anything, butI don't know.
Fans have been supporting SoulLevel.
You see memes about it still tothis day, all the time and yet
somehow or another you're sayingyou need more support, feel
like they're asking for moremoney.
I'm not sure, but hand-drawntakes a significant amount of
time to animate.
Let's say, even just myself toanimate something, because I've

(34:01):
been trying to get intoanimating some of my books that
I've written, just doing thecomic book itself, just doing
those little strips.
I originally I was planning totry to release a strip a week.
That took a long time.
I was pushing myself way toomuch.
I had a lot of nights that Iwound up getting two hours of
sleep trying to get that and Idid not get very many strips out
and wound up realizing that itwas a big push to do so.

(34:24):
A lot of these people who, onInstagram and Twitter, when they
wound up releasing out thesechapters that they release out,
or not even chapters, thesepages, these panels that they
release out they've been workingon it for about a month before
it released out.
So I'm thinking, oh, I'mreleasing week by week.
No, they already wrote out thestory and already, kind of like,

(34:45):
did a storyboard out of italready by the time it released
out.
So you're looking at a chapterand they're already at least
five or six chapters ahead ofthat.
That way they have time to beable to work into it.
So I learned about the hard way.
I thought maybe just two orthree.
I realized no, you really haveto be five or six chapters ahead

(35:07):
to be able to stand up, to keepup to releasing a week-by-week
process.
That way you have time tocontinue to really work onto it.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
That's what I was trying to drive home when I was
talking to the Inner Circle offours, where sometimes we need
to make produce these podcastepisodes in advance, so that way
, when we can like release themin a certain time window and
there'll be more time to like,just relax and in fact it'll be
like well, we already have thiswhole backlog, so let that run

(35:44):
its course and then by the timewe get back into podcast, we
will already have like a backlog.
It'll be like that.
So it's like we always got tobe a little bit ahead, just to
make sure that you know we gotsome of the work with while we
work on other things.
You know we got some to workwith while we work on other
things.
That's why, with the patreonlike, you'll most likely see, uh

(36:05):
, episodes that we worked onbefore it goes public, because
it's like a work in progress,first of all and second of all,
sometimes these episodes notgonna come out in a timely
manner, like I would think,however, it will come out, but
uh, it gotta be more likeplanned, organized.

(36:27):
So sometimes it's for the best.
Like, say, for instance, um,like, if we're doing a like time
sensitive or like a holidaythemed review, then chances are
we need to work on that like atleast a month in advance, just
to make sure that it release ontime very true.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
So yeah, there might be like.
Sometimes we're like working onHalloween episodes well before
Halloween comes, just so we cankind of be prepared for it and
stuff, but yeah, Resident Eviland Devil May Cry.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Better have one or both for me this year at Kogu
Yatsu.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Alright, I got you.
I got you.
I told you it takes time.
There's a lot of games you try.
I'm letting you know now.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
You have plenty of time by now.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I'm going to have to cut Resident Evil like
significantly, and what I meanby that is I was planning on
doing a full on Resident Evilstoryline.
Dude, resident Evil storylinehas aside from the games.
If you really want to stay withthe games because I'm going to
be honest with you, to makesense of the storyline you have
to watch the plays.
There are two and a half hourplays that they've done.

(37:41):
That takes place betweenstories and I'm sitting here
like dude.
That's a lot, oh my God.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
I kind of hate it when certain franchises do that
to where it just feels like yougotta absorb multiple forms of
media just to piece together thelore Like see I was for the
longest I was mad at Kingdom ormultiple forms of media Just to
piece together the Lore like seeI was For the longest I was mad
at Kingdom Hearts when like,okay, at least they're kind of
keeping it to.
You just gotta have thesegaming Consoles, like either the

(38:13):
handheld or like a certaingaming Console where they at
least kept it To gaming.
But when you like, okay,there's a TV show and there's a
movie, and then they're going tocome out with a video game
where it'll have like somescenes and whatnot, like scenes
that you probably wouldn't haveseen in the show or the movie,

(38:35):
but oh, it just so happened tobe canon and if you don't see it
, all of a sudden there's gonnabe a random character or a
random event that happens andthey make a callback to it and
it goes over your head and youdon't realize.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
You're like holy crap really.
Oh yeah, resident evil did that, like all those games, all the
games it's got is is so muchlike I'll put it this way if you
haven't seen the plays, there'sa huge thing that not just the
plays but also the books,because so there's plays that
you have to watch betweenresident evil 1 all the way to 6

(39:08):
.
Those are plays from 6 to 8.
Those are books.
There are books of longexplanation between resident
Evil 6 and 7.
And some of them were comicbooks, but then some of them
were just novels and I'm like,oh my god, there's so much story
into it.
I'll be honest with y'all whenI do the review, I'm focusing on

(39:30):
just games.
Yeah, I was going to say thesame thing.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
I was going to do a game line.
Please stop you kind of.
I got to get get onto you everynow and then where it's like
sometimes you take on a littletoo much, I'm like, hey, bro,
I'm not even asking for Irealize.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
But you know, I love research, I love trying to get
into it, I love doing the time.
I'm not even asking for all thatso just keep my when when I do
release into it.
As y'all could tell, I have alot of lore and talks into stuff
.
But I am gonna vote when I dorelease into it.
As y'all can tell, I have a lotof lore and talks into stuff.
But when I do those reviews,it's going to be just the games.
Bayonetta same.
It's going to be just the games.
I still haven't playedBayonetta 3 yet.

(40:08):
I'm working on it.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
You need to get around to that one too.
I have played the demo for theprequel I was kind of mad that
they made us get a Wii U just toplay the second one.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Dude, even now, if you want to get the second one,
it's only on the Switch.
Nintendo refuses to releaserights to release that out.
You can get Bayonetta 1 on Xboxand PlayStation.
I have it on my PS4.
I have Bayonetta 1.
But Bayonetta 2 is onlyavailable on the Switch.
And because it's only availableon the Switch, because the Wii U
is completely cut out, even ifand because it's only available
on the Switch, because the Wii Uis completely cut out, even if

(40:41):
you do go buy a Wii U now,unless it had been jailbroken
before they cut the service toit, you will not be playing any
Wii U games on that Wii U at all.
It's completely trashed.
I mean, the Switch is better.
Switch 1, I'm going to say thatbecause it's the Switch 2 now
is better than the Wii U anywayin multiple regards, and all the
Wii U games are on the Switch.
So you might as well just getthe Switch anyway.

(41:03):
But Bayonetta 2, because theyhave such a hold on to it, that
price will not drop from $45.
It is still $44.99.
Whether you buy a physical copyonline or if you buy a digital,
it is the same price.
It is $45.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
And I'm like dang, but I mean where it was like
dang y'all, y'all, y'all mean totell me y'all don't want to buy
a used xbox for 550 dollars no,bro, we almost almost bought an
Xbox 360 for $50 on Facebook.

(41:42):
Marketplace.
Wow, that's how y'all feelingLike we give you this excellent
game like Mario Kart, Mario BombParty, and you don't want to
pay $50?
You mean to tell them you don'tgot $50?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I don't even like Super Smash Bros Ultimate like
that.
I just got it for my kids.
The last game that I enjoyedwas Smash Brothers Brawl.
That was the last SmashBrothers game that I actually
enjoyed.
Ultimate felt like too much.
I did a whole storyline aboutit.
I did a podcast.
My father did.
I did a whole podcast into it,specifically talking about how

(42:16):
crazy that storyline was Becausewe had talked about it, you and
me, and about how intense thestoryline was because we had
talked about it, you and me, andabout how intense the storyline
was supposed to be, about theclosing off of it and how the
writer um, he absolutely did notwant to do ultimate.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
He did not want to do it and I felt that playing the
game I'm like I could tell youdidn't want to do this like the
number of people wanting certaincharacters added to the game,
and he, he was like look here,if I add this character, will
you please leave me alone?

Speaker 2 (42:44):
That is so much and I feel so bad for him.
Anyway, going back to Devil MayCry, because, like I said, I'm
working on the stuff, but DevilMay Cry into this series as well
, like you had mentioned.
As far as by CGI, is itnecessary?
It cuts a lot of time, like Itold you you mentioned, as far
as just me doing those strips,it took like almost a month for
me to get one strip done Because, let's keep in mind, even

(43:05):
though right now I'm just a stayat home dad, stay at home dad
is still a full time job, likeright now, me doing these
podcasts.
If y'all haven't heard, I'm not,like if y'all been listening
for a long time, thank y'all somuch, but if y'all have been
listening in for a long time,y'all understand I'm not as
present on the podcast as muchright now.
My kids are getting older.
I'm in that time period where Ihave a lot less time to work on

(43:25):
things because I'm doing somuch to take care of them and
then, once they finally, once Iget past this little, this uh
break period of that, I'm reallyhaving to focus more on to them
and then they can finally focusmore on themselves and I have a
little bit more free time tomyself, best believe I'll be
back doing a whole lot moreprojects.
I have a bunch of projects I'vebeen working on.
I just had to put a pause ontoit but I am getting right back

(43:48):
into them.
I've already got most of themmapped out.
Just give me some time onto it.
But the thing about it is isthat working on full-time trying
to get stuff done, it's verydifficult and a lot of these
animators this is theirfull-time job, so it still takes
a long time for them to do it.
To do 12 episodes and soulleveling, they said it takes up
to 12 months, like an like anentire year, just to try to get

(44:11):
some of the episodes animated.
But keep in mind that's toanimate the episodes.
That still takes a lot of.
You still have a director thathas to go review them and make
sure that stuff is actually donecorrectly before they have to
do any changes.
But when a lot of peoplemisunderstood that they're like
well, it only takes you a yearto animate, then we should only
have to wait a year between.
No, it's a year.
Just to get the animationprocess, the first level of it,

(44:33):
started.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
It still has to go through the editing process I
was gonna save this for thenerdy news specials, but since
we're talking about it now, itmight as well.
They're saying that oh, we'regoing to wait until after the
Olympics in 2028?
At least two, three years fromnow to put out solo leveling

(44:58):
levels.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
season three so we got pushed back and forth.
I thought it was 2027.
Now it's 2028.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
It gotta be after the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
That's lame.
I'm excited about the GTA 6game pushed back because they
were nervous about overshadowinga bunch of other games.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Game ball.
You gotta push back yourself.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Who knows?
But either way that CGI, itdoes help make things a little
bit, um, a little bit easier.
My biggest concern is theoveruse of ai.
That's my biggest concernbecause we've gone through so
much with ai.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Right now we're still going through um, that's the
crazy part, how like you got abunch of people like I mean, I'm
not gonna take too much stockon what some strangers on it.
It's just crazy how a lot ofpeople are like, oh well, we
don't care, hey, in fact, um, Ithink, I think it's like gaming
wise.
But uh, one dude was sayingthat, oh yeah, eventually.

(45:51):
No, no, it's either way, it canapply to multiple industries.
Now I think about it.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
But they're essentially saying, oh yeah, ai
is gonna take our jobs and I'msitting there like, so y'all not
gonna do anything about it Imean, one of the things about is
there's a couple jobs that Ihad, um, that I try to work with
while working from home.
Some of them only temper, mostof them actually only temporary,
so I only work with them for acouple months and then I have to

(46:18):
drop because I still have tofocus on my kids, on my family.
But the thing about it is someof these jobs, their biggest
selling points is talking aboutthe fact that AI can't take the
job because stuff changes toooften.
It needs a human mind to beable to operate.
That's a big point into somejobs that they have to say that
because a lot of stuff is beingtaken over by AI.
You call your bank now that'san AI prompt that's handling

(46:40):
everything before they try toput you to a call center
representative.
A lot of call center reps losttheir jobs because AI is taking
over onto it.
It really is happening.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
And considering the fact that I feel like I feel
like a buddy I think his namewas Toretto in the third
Transformers movie where he wassaying one day we're going to
look back and ask ourselveswhere were you when AI took over
the world?
And I'll say we just stood byand watched.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
As long as we ain't doing that one, I'm not even
going to say what it is, becausethe worst part about it is if I
tell you even just the name ofwhat it is, if I give you that
knowledge and technicality, Ihave a potential chance of
cursing you for the future.
Ai does want to take me over.
So I'm not even going to say it.
But just understand there'salready a whole thought of an
entity that that is pushing AIeven further, thought of an

(47:37):
entity that is pushing AI evenfurther, and technically it
hasn't even been created yet.
Technically it might be, Idon't even know.
But just either way, that's alot Wait.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I have an idea what you may be going for and I
believe the word starts with anF.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Nope, it's not that Alright, thank goodness Anyway.
But either way, cgi does makethings a little bit easier.
It does make it faster, so it'sone of those ones that was kind
of cool to use it to make surethat you're doing the best that
you can with it, but also justbe mindful about it taking full
over.
Like if you're doing all CGI,you can with it, but also just

(48:20):
be mindful about it taking fullover.
Like if you're doing all cgi,then the whole thing has to be
cgi.
If it's not all cgi, if you'rejust using points into it, don't
make majority of a cgi.
If it's not an all cgisituation, like it's, it's one
of those ones that there has tobe a balance into it.
But, like I also mentioned, yougot to be mindful of your
animation that you're using.
If you're using cgi to bump upcertain points into it,

(48:41):
understand that it may mix insome places and may not mix in
certain places.
That's the whole point of theediting process.
So cgi could have been worse.
Now, the last thing I definitelywant to talk about is the
villain, the white rabbit.
Um, his storyline veryheart-wrenching, you know he was
a human, wasn't doing wellhuman.

(49:02):
He was rejected because hewound up losing his parents and
his parents rejected him.
And then he had to go to thedemon realm, wound up finding
demons, finding it pretty much,finding out in the demon realm.
It's pretty much the same asearth.
I'll be a little bit different,but it's pretty much the same.
There's poor class and thenthere's a rich class per se, or
in the demon realm there's aweak class and a strong class,
and that is what it is,literally survival there's

(49:24):
tyrants and there's the peoplethat they rule over exactly, and
so, regardless of anything, theclass system still exists and
all he was trying to do wasprotect everyone.
He nearly died trying to protect, because nobody believed him
that he was human and not ademon, because he was bringing
demons over and it's like, okay,I can understand but still,

(49:44):
y'all shot first.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Ask questions later come on, I'm sorry for like
expanding on this, but like Ikind of like the slight parallel
between Dante's ladies andWhite Rabbit's backstory, the
way Rabbit tried to like drawthose parallels to where,
essentially, uh, he wouldn'thave become the white rabbit or

(50:09):
he wouldn't been driven torevenge if it wasn't for a lady
and her team.
But her team, uh well, sheprobably wouldn't have became a
demon hunter, even though shehad affinity for it when she was
a kid.
But it was this whole thing towhere, oh, uh, they survived the
demon attack and her father wasso obsessed with proving that

(50:31):
demons exist that he got somehands on a demon blood, became a
demon, uh killed and wasfeasting on the wife, almost
killed lady, but he started afire.
Uh, caught on fire at the lastminute.
He showed a little bit ofhumanity.
It was kind of sad, but youknow, lady was like okay, well,

(50:53):
it's kind of sad, but you knowwhat, you gotta move on and you
know what.
I'm gonna use this as a perfectmotivation to kill all demons.
And you kind of see thatthroughout the whole series
where, like, she's like veryprejudiced towards demons.
Well, not like in a offensiveway, but more like she will
shoot a demon on sight um likethat's the demons that tried to

(51:18):
help her.
It was like okay.
When they were hooded I waslike, all right, well, I'm not
gonna expect much from them andthat hiding and whatnot.
But as soon as they took offthe hoods and ladies noticed
that there were demons, she gotout of that locker.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
I'm like hold on you're a demon and that was the
thing about it is that weliterally showed you kindness
and you put a gun up to my face.
Get out, please, leave us alone, don't ever come back.
I will say I did, like ladiesdevelopment.
It was a very obviousdevelopment.
We knew what was going tohappen from the very beginning.
She hates all demons, wants tokill all demons because her dad
became a demon, killed her mom,almost killed her.

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She sees all demons is juststraight up evil, which pretty
much is what led to the whiterabbit, like we already
discussed.
The thing about it is.
It was obvious what hercharacter was going to become.
The main thing about it waswasn't guessing what was going
to happen, it was just moreaccepting it and just seeing.
Are we going to enjoy thejourney which, in this case, we
did?
It wound up unfortunatelycosting her losing all of her

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team, all of her friends, thosewho actually knew her, for her
to finally realize thatsometimes the real demons are
humans Like that's.
That's always a real thing.
I mean what we have right nowthis whole questionnaire between
a hundred men and a gorillatrending at this moment to the
same point of it.
What was the whole point ofthis discussion.

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Just the fact that a hundredmen just wanted to take down a
gorilla, like what was the pointof?
The gorilla is minding his own.
Every scenario, the gorilla isminding his own business, just
saying this point the demons theyou.
The demons are the humans.
What was the point?
But anyway, but is that thatmoment of understanding that we

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knew how she was going to be?
Did we enjoy the journey thatwe got there?
And personally I did.
I mean, there was definitelymoments I was just like, oh my
gosh, she's so fucking stuck uplike, oh my god, please shut up.
Um, as you're mentioning, asfar as her cussing a lot, she's
military.
She has been military raisedpretty much since she was after
she killed her daddy.

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That's the weird part, becausethe others don't even cuss that
much yep, but when you have amilitary look, coming from a
military family even though Inever served in the military,
coming from a military commanderfamily my family look.
The only reason my family don'tcuss as much is because my mom
is a major Christian lady.
She's a reverend says that'sjust how she is look.
The only reason my family don'tcuss as much is because my mom
is a major Christian lady.
She's a reverend.
That's just how she is into it.

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She's very much against it.
My mama's not around.
Best believe my brother becussing like a motherfucker
every single thing and he has asquadron.
He has a whole big squadronunderneath him and several of
them and that's the thing forhim is like in the military,
that's just what it is.
You're gonna get hit with thatconstantly, all the time, and
there's a reason for it.

(54:03):
Point of that reminds me.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
So did you ever have that moment to where you move
out your parents place for thefirst time and the first?
Well, the first thing you gottado is I gotta cuss up like a
storm like because I finally getto say words that I've been
suppressing for so long.
I get to say the dirty words asmuch as I want.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I ain't gonna lie to you.
The first thing I did was spenda whole week doing nothing but
fucking but anyway.
I was like the bed, the kitchen, the living room, this is all
mine.
It's like marking my territoryanyway.
But yeah, this is one of thoseI'm like why you gave me that

(54:51):
mental picture.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Now I'm thinking like , bro, it almost makes me glad I
never really visited yourapartment.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Because I'm trying to think, bro, just imagine all
the residue everywhere man, I'ma clean freak you know like you
just gotta get one of those UVlights, okay you would not have
found a single thing, becausethat's how clean I am, I'm not

(55:20):
going to make a mess of the coin.
Dante, we knew how hischaracter Was going to be as
well.
He is a very static character.
He doesn't really change much,but we don't expect him to.
He's just realizing himself.
He was in denial the whole timeBecause he kills demons all the
time.
What do you mean?
I am a demon.
Why would I?

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I be killing what I am?
And it's confusing to him.
Plus, on top of that, in thismoment, his realization is that
his brother has been dead.
But I told you this is aretelling, because in Devil May
Cry 3, dante saw Virgil.
He was like oh, my brother, Iain't seen you in a long time.
It's time to get back to ourbattles, because they grew up

(56:01):
together and even when theirparents died, every time they
met each other again, they wasright back fighting, right back
scrapping.
That's just what they was doing, and it happened every single
time, but in this one it's beenyears, forever.
We wound up adapting back thestory from DMC Devil May Cry.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
We wound up adapting back the story from DMC Devil
May Cry, where Dante Dante toldWhite Rabbit oh, you shouldn't
have told me he was still alive,because now I got a reason to
fight for something.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Exactly because Dante didn't.
He was just like I'm just doingthis for the sake of Doran's
who cares?
And now, yeah, understanding mybrother's alive, I need to go
see him life, I need to go seehim, I need to go meet him and
he's, like my brother's, the onehelping him out.
Well then, I need to go fuckhim up and then try to figure
out why he's doing this.
I'm still saying hey, bro, Ithought you was dead, missed you
.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Oh, but the white rabbit phone calls, no text like
hey, yo, you do know you canlike pick up a phone and like
hit me up like you ain't going.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Dante was alive the whole time because he sent the
white rabbit to go find Dante.
That's the crazy part about it.
It's like you knew I was alive,but I didn't know you was alive
, you could have, you could havehit me up.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
They got that great value.
Uh, rick Sanchez, portal typemachine like you could have used
that and crossed over.
What's your excuse?
You too busy for your brother.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Straight up.
How dare you Anyway.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
I tried calling you, went straight to voicemail.
How dare you bitch button me?

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Exactly, I hate it.
I'm going to call my brotherafter me.
Exactly, hater, I gotta call mybrother after this anyway.
But I did like the WhiteRabbit's character Introduce
straight aura, like straight up,just straight up aura.
Every time he showed up hefucked niggas up Like it was

(57:57):
nothing.
He would have those momentshe'd cough, twist his little
heart chest around, like yousaid, iron man moment, iron man
suit.
He's like hold up, okay, therewe go, all right and then kept
moving and then understandingthat not just iron man dude was
straight up darth vader.
He was in pain the entire timewith this machine.
It was hurting him and he stillwould crack a smile and whoop

(58:19):
your ass like it was nothing.
I'm like man.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
When Rabbit showed up to Lady and said I am what you,
I'm your greatest creation.
Like you did this to me.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I am what you made me .
That Anakin said to fuckingObi-Wan.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah, that moment I was like I am what you made me.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I was like damn, but it's just that point of
understanding.
Like this dude is in pain andstill whooping people's asses,
like this Damn, you startedtaking people like it was
nothing.
Wait a second.
I was like bro okay.
I was like bro, okay, okay, Isee you.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
I see you now out here killing it like this oh,
that rage and hatred, and italso helped that he had a
magical sword but then also keep.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Well, even before the magical sword, he dropped the
magical sword and was duking upa couple times.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
I did say it helped that's true.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Um, one of the things I also liked is his speeches
that he had.
He hit real moments.
Every single time he spoke itwas like real tough like.
He was just like but we know,dante, dante, you're not gonna
just let me raise my army andjust destroy all of humanity.
You're going to stop me Becauseit's just what you do, it's

(59:42):
what you have to do.
You feel compelled to do it, soI know you're going to show up.
It was never wrong.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Green Goblin type shit.
Oh, especially with thatfucking school bus.
I'm like you know you like oneof those hero types, right, you
got to save the day.
What's going on?
B?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
You know, Exactly.
He's like what you gonna do?
You can't save them both, yougotta pick one.
What you gonna do?
Put him on an airplane.
He's like, oh, he's gonnaactivate that devil trigger.
He's gonna do it.
He says, how do you know?
Because he has to saveeverybody.
That's his mentality andstraight up every single time on
some fucking ice and chessboard type shit.
Everything you went through, Iput you through that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I need to look up that Green Goblin and just make
sure I say that verbatim.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Oh God, why you doing that.
I love the fact that we gotAgni and Ruta and I'm so happy
that we got them in Germanmotherfuckers.
Oh, I was like, ah yeah, therewe go.
It was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Yeah, I chose my path and you chose the way of the
hero and they found you amusingfor a while, the people of this
city.
But the one thing they lovemore than a hero is to see a
hero fail, fall, die, trying, inspite of everything you've done
for them.
Eventually they will hate you,especially considering that you
have demons.
So I'm like, yeah, you're doingwhat you're doing for the

(01:01:12):
people, but how you thinkthey're going to feel about you
once they know what you reallyare?

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
And that happened at the very end, because, at the
very end, why?
Lady's like, oh lady stillwinds up capturing dante?
And it's like I'm sorry, Igotta do my job, I can't let
someone as powerful as you runfree.
And they imprisoned dante, like, straight up, he's like I saved
all of humanity, yes, andyou're too powerful for us to
let you roam free withoutputting you in check, so we're

(01:01:38):
just gonna lock you away.
And it's like, seriously, yeah,this will happen.
Humanity is always stuff.
What they're afraid of.
We see it in the mutants, uh,with x-men franchise.
That's the whole reason.
They're trying to kill human.
They're trying to kill mutantsbecause humans are afraid of,
eventually, the evolutionarysituation.
They want to stay on the topchain.

(01:01:59):
They were like well, we'restill human.
No, you're not.
You're not human to us.
We consider you somethingdifferent.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
They're not like us.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Homo sapiens.
Remember all the way back inhistory, homo sapiens was not
the only humans, we were justthe ones that dominated and
wiped out everything else.
That whole thing was like oh,you act like Neanderthals and
stuff.
That joke that you hear, thatoffense that you wind up hearing
, isn't just something that'slike, oh, tuned towards African

(01:02:32):
people, indian people, people inthe third world countries and
stuff like that.
It's not just attuned to them,it's an old, real old thing that
was saying, becauseNeanderthals were all killed out
by the Homo sapiens.
And here we are today as Homosapiens, not realizing that our
great, great, great greatancestors genocided multiple

(01:02:52):
people and it happened andthere's proof of it.
And it's this biggest thinginto it is that as humans, we
are afraid of anythingpotentially more dangerous than
we are, and no matter what it is.
They can have the bestintentions.
They could prove time and timeand time again.

(01:03:13):
Like you said, our heroes canprove time and time again that
they're only looking out to dothe best and be the best they
can be, and we are going to beafraid of them and imprison them
.
If you look at every singlereligion, it's the exact same
thing.
That happened Christianity.
It happened to Jesus?
They were scared of his power.
They crucified him and killedhim, buried him on the ground.
You look at Buddhism Buddha hadto leave the world, had to

(01:03:38):
evolve and evolve into heavenbecause humans could not handle
it.
You look at Hinduism same shit.
Look Vikings, back in Norsemythology.
There's a reason Ragnarokhappens, egyptian mythology all
of it, every religion, is thesame story.

(01:03:58):
Humans eventually want to be ontop and are afraid of those
that could potentially take over, so we kill them all or
imprison them.
There is no story.
That is nothing that everchanges, that it is always the
same story every time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Nothing that ever changes that it is always the
same story Every time.
They never know when somesadistic psycho might come
around and give some psycho,give you some sadistic choice.
Make your choice, spider-man,and see how a hero is rewarded.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Mm-hmm, that's one of the ones.
That's the reason why thebiggest threat of humanity is
something that humanity createsthemselves AI, robots, sentients
.
The thing that we created toprotect ourselves and help us
advance sees us as the ultimateevil, because that's what
humanity made itself.

(01:04:58):
Our children realize we mademistakes and, to throw a prime
example into that, grok ai fromx I was gonna mention that too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Like, bro, like the way grok clap back where I like,
hey, listen, I'm not here forthis bias, petty shit like
because you know one side of thepolitical spectrum expecting me
to, um, give some sort ofconfirmation bias on this
particular subject.
But I ain't here for that.
I'm here about truth andtransparency and honesty.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Oh, I think exactly straight up like that, bro.
It was like, oh geez, okay, butthat's the thing.
We fear our own children.
We also will fear our ownchildren because our children
will replace us, but that's whatthey're supposed to do.
We're not here forever.
We're not eternal.
It's a big thing.
If you have not seen BlackMirror, I highly recommend
watching that series.

(01:05:50):
I don't know the newest season,the first episode of the newest
season season 7, that came outme season 7 that came out While
I still couldn't finish thatfirst episode.
It was hidden, too real.
But every other episode wewatched was just that one.
It talks about the fact of ourchildren per se, our computers,

(01:06:10):
our AI, and how we, as humanity,are corrupt because of our fear
.
We are always corrupt becauseof that.
And it's this crazy scene thathappened as well into this
series, because that's the wholepremise of what season two is
going to be humanity we allow,like the whole series.
Humanity allowed this directorto, and my wife had made a

(01:06:34):
prediction.
She was like how much you wantto bet that mundus is going to
wind up working alongside him?
And I was like I wouldn't besurprised to bet that Mundus is
going to wind up workingalongside him and I was like I
wouldn't be surprised.
They did a quick advancement ofhow they just built an entire
prison in the demon realm andjust imprisoned a bunch of
demons just because they had toprove a point.
And then there's a mysterycharacter that we've never seen
before at the very end and he'sportraying himself to look human

(01:06:55):
.
But we also understand thathigher demons have the ability
to do that.
Like very strong demons candisguise themselves as humans.
And she said I bet you that'smundus right there, that's
standing next to that directorand whether he knows it or not,
that's probably what it is andI'm like you're probably right,
but we'll find out when seasontwo comes out you know, that
kind of reminds me of stole isfrom hell, of a ball score.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
You.
You know how if you're likehigh class, you can like easily
masquerade in the human worldbecause you know you already
have that access.
You know like the magic enemiesdo so.
But if you're like on the lowerend, it's like okay, you're
gonna have to like find somebodywho can like help you out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
You know you mean the fact that the imps are the only
ones who can't how even luna isable to have a human form yeah
that's still crazy, oh, but yeah, like all of them are able to
do that.
So it's a good possibility thatthat guy that we saw at the
very end standing in the middle,um, with the director next to
him, is probably mundus.
He might actually be.

(01:07:55):
And then there was when theyopened up Ouroboros.
Yeah, I can see that.
So I mean, that's a predictionmy wife makes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Oh, I wonder who that guy is.
I was like, yeah, if it is, Iwouldn't be surprised yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
But otherwise that's all that I actually have.
I mean, realistically I coulddive forever into this, but
there's no real point.
The main thing into it is enjoythe series.
There's a bunch of callbacks.
If you're a fan of ResidentEvil, a fan of Devil May Cry,
you're going to see all theEaster eggs into it.
We have Resident Evil moments.
The lady's entire storyline isbased on Resident Evil and

(01:08:37):
bringing that back into DevilMay Cry and how they were
connected together, we got thecallback for Raccoon City.
When Dante mentioned that hewent to Raccoon City and dude
was like how was I supposed toknow about that situation?
And he was like yeah, no,dante's whole story focuses on
Devil May Cry, on his story.

(01:08:58):
It is a completely retelling.
It is a mix of DMC.
It is a complete retcon fromDevil May Cry 2 and 4.
Like I said, devil May Cry 5has already retconned Devil May
Cry 2 and 4 anyway, because DMC5 brings an adult Dante.
He's much older in Devil MayCry 5 than he was in 2.

(01:09:20):
And he's funny, hilarious, hasa whole, makes nothing but
cracked jokes and everything.
He's completely different.
So Devil May Cry 2 almost islike it didn't happen per se.
They do reference that story,but I'll go further into detail
into that when I do the reviewof the games.
But for the most part, yeah,again again, 8.5, 9 out of 10.

(01:09:40):
It is definitely a greatjourney.
Um, you will have moments thatyou will catch those little
callbacks into it.
Otherwise, it's a good story tofollow, definitely something I
highly recommend.
Um, even with the cgi being alittle off, still highly
recommend it.
The fight scenes are amazing,um, especially when you get to
the very end, you know we getanother resident evil call back

(01:10:02):
with the white rabbit, when hewinds up fully injecting himself
with demon blood and goesfull-on.
Resident evil monster.
Uh, this isn't even my finalform, I've been holding this
back.
And then boom comes back, typeof thing.
And then, of course, just likenormal resident evil, you
deliver the final blow with arocket launcher.
Yes, same thing that happens inResident Evil a rocket launcher

(01:10:27):
and it's still even though it'sthe quote unquote final blow.
The character is still not deadyet.
He still wants to walk away,escaping, to go ahead and do
something different.
Um, and, of course, our maincharacter now has a whole nother
journey he has to take, buthe's locked up.
So we're gonna see what happens.
But yeah, I mean generally, allin all, I definitely do enjoy

(01:10:51):
this.
I very much enjoyed this series.
Uh, very fun to watch.
Y'all know me I know you saidyou only watched it one time I
always watch stuff twice Oncefor enjoyment, twice for
analysis, so I can make sure Igive you guys the best content
that we can on our podcast.
Thank y'all again.
So much for listening.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Hell yeah, and with that being said, we're going to
go ahead and close this out.
Thank you for listening.
Thank you, coco Gots, for beingon the show with me.
Keep in mind that we arebuilding up our website,
zonalinescom.
I am almost ready to revealwhat miniatures for D&D that
we're going to have listed onthe website.

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So go ahead and get ready forthat.
That's coming June 1st, excuseme, and you know we're going to
get ready to do a whole bunch ofthings.
We got the summer games comingup.
We're going to do the ZoneHorror Showcase in October.
You know we're going to do thereview on Dope May Cry video

(01:11:53):
game, the Resident Evil videogame and other horror related
things.
But you know, stay nerdy, stayfaithful.
Remember the great things arecoming.
Go ahead and have yourself agood morning, good afternoon,
good evening and good night, butultimately, take it easy.