October 16, 2024 • 36 mins
Have you ever wondered how two protagonists from opposite worlds can clash and captivate your imagination? We promise you'll uncover the fascinating dynamics of "S-Cry-Ed" as we chat with co-hosts Kokugatsu and Mira Jane. This episode unravels the anime's hidden treasures, from its gripping themes of order versus freedom to the nostalgic allure of its soundtrack, featuring the iconic "Reckless Fire." Kokugatsu shares a personal tale of discovering "S-Cry-Ed" through his brother's DVD collection, adding a heartfelt touch to our exploration of this original series that inspired a manga adaptation.
Join us as we navigate the vibrant universe of "S-Cry-Ed," dissecting the anime's and manga's distinct approaches. Mira Jane paints "S-Cry-Ed" as a quintessential "boy's anime," rich with action and unique alter abilities that resonate with a younger audience. We also draw intriguing parallels to classics like "Cowboy Bebop" and "Outlaw Star," highlighting the fierce rivalry between Kazuma and Ryuho. It's a rivalry marked by relentless animosity rather than reconciliation, a narrative choice that sets this anime apart despite a storyline that divides opinion but never fails to evoke nostalgia.
Beyond "S-Cry-Ed," we expand on the broader depiction of alter powers in anime, reflecting on how confrontation can forge respect. Drawing inspiration from the Yakuza games and anime like Baki, our conversation reveals how battles, both literal and metaphorical, foster growth and mutual understanding. Personal anecdotes and references to classics like "Dragon Ball Z" enrich our discussion. As we look ahead, we invite your thoughts on our blog, zone-alliance.com, and share exciting plans for upcoming content across multiple platforms, teasing a future Assassin's Creed review. Join us for more nerdy news and an engaging journey into the world of anime and beyond!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
welcome back to the zone podcast, the show that's
all about nerdy news and reviews.
I'm jeff blackestream, but feelfree to call me jb if you wish
and today's topic is scryde.
Joining me on this review istokugatsu and mira jane, so
let's go ahead and zone in on it.
What can I say about scryde?
(00:22):
It's one of those hidden gemanime that's like underrated,
one of those.
It's a damn shame more peopledon't talk about it.
It's like, even though it'spure action, like most of the
anime is like them fighting eachother, but there's like a
deeper theme of order versusfreedom, of order versus freedom
(00:44):
.
There's this government agency,this police force that's like
not as good as you think theyare, and one of the main
protagonists is beingdisillusioned by the people that
he looked up to.
And you have another guy whojust pretty much want to do
whatever he wants, but at thesame time he has to remember
(01:05):
that he has people that careabout him, so he can't be doing
all this reckless shit, knowingthat he got friends that all
want him to.
You know, come back alive andone piece and all that shit.
And outside of that I wasthinking like they got some
colorful characters, like somecharacters.
That really stands out.
(01:26):
And I'm not trying to uh, go onfor too long.
But what can I say about scrydelike, other than if I were to
give it a rating right now, Iwould give it a four out of five
stars, maybe like a eight tonine out of ten.
(01:47):
I just kind of wish the endingfelt more conclusive, but then
again, that was just kind of thenorm for anime back in 2001.
Like, ok, aside from whathappened in September, that was
like a good year like anime andmovies and all that shit.
But hey man, listen back inthat time, when I heard Reckless
(02:08):
Fire coming on, I'm like I amhyped, I am ready to go.
I'm like it's one of thoseanime to where, once you hear
that um theme song, it's likeall right, I'm ready, I'm diving
in on this.
And it was on Adult Sw at thetime.
And also I do like how?
Scry is a anime originalproject where it started off as
(02:30):
an anime first and then theywere like, okay, let's make a
manga while we're at it.
But I'm gonna be real with you,I don't recommend manga.
It's kind of like, uh, whenkoki gatsu and I was talking
about prison school, I'm likeyou can read it if you want to,
but I'm gonna recommend it.
Speaking of which, tokugatsu,how are you feeling about Scry?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I love Scry.
It was one of the For me.
I had that whole little thingwith that because my eldest
brother, when he first went tocollege, he had wound up buying
a bunch of anime because hecouldn't.
He was like I ain't got themoney to be paying for cable and
internet and stuff right now,so he had just bought some like
anime dvds.
Went down to visit him one day,saw the dvd.
(03:10):
He saw this.
He had the full box set and Iwas like shoot, can I watch it?
He was like sure, and I startedwatching a couple episodes and
I was like yo, I gotta get back.
But, um, can I take this withme?
He said I'm not watching themright now, I'm mostly working.
He said you're more thanwelcome.
He said just give it back to me.
I said of course, went back,watched it, fell in love with
the whole show.
Like you said, it's very much ahidden gem.
(03:33):
There's a lot of detailedpoints into it but to be honest,
that would be a full rant to gointo, so I'll just keep it very
simple.
I'm not got time for that.
Literally, you love the factthat I mean there's always a
blog on you.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I can make a detailed article on it on the Zone
website y'all, ZoneWisecom.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Actually we got a couple that working on right now
.
I know Mira James.
She is already.
She, hers is in the editingstage at the moment, so in the
proofreading and editing.
So we're going to get hers upand running, hopefully before
the end of this weekend by thetime of recording.
And then Professor Tuck alsohas one that he has started.
That's also in the proofreadingand editing stage as well too.
(04:17):
So definitely be on the lookout.
We're hoping to have like twodone, if not by the end of this
weekend, before the middle ofnext week To get those fully up
onto the website.
So you guys can definitelycheck that out.
But yeah, as far as buying intothe show, our two main
characters is one of those onesthat are exact opposites.
(04:37):
Both of them have some form oftroubling upbringing, especially
because of their powers, buteach of them take life very
differently.
I want to talk about theirpowers too.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Go ahead.
I want to talk about theirpowers, but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, and so one is more rule savvy, one is more
about rules and how in orderversus.
The other is about true freedom, like literally going back to
the Assassin's Creed orderversus chaos.
Others about true freedom, likeliterally going back to the
Assassin's Creed order versuschaos, and stuff like that,
where the Templars are all aboutorder and control but the
Assassin's all about ultimatefreedom, even if it means, you
(05:14):
know, having chaos as long aseverybody has their freedom.
And so it's like one actuallylives the life of luxury in
class and the other one he'sliterally on the dirt streets.
He got to fight and kill forhis food type and it's like yo.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I know you're not on the exactly the uh new gen
console, uh way, but I reallyhope that you'll be on for the
assassin's creed review indecember, where we talk about
mirage and shadows I'm hopefulthat PS5, it's still expensive.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I was hopeful that when they announced the PS5 Pro,
that the first PS5 was going togo ahead and drop in price a
little bit, they ain't budgingon that shit Nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Honestly, we're going to talk about it in the nerdy
news special.
But the PS5 Pro, it's like ifyou don't have a ps5 at all, I
get it, but if you already haveone, don't, don't, don't, wish
there's no point.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
There's literally no point, like just just don't, but
anyway.
But yeah, so it's like each onehas the um has those moments
where it's like that each ofthem have exact opposites.
The color scheme is opposite,they're growing up is opposite,
their power sets is opposite.
I know we're going to talkabout later, but just like a
brief moment where one has hisown he.
He winds up having pretty muchdamn near jojo stand.
(06:31):
That's kind of.
Yes, I was gonna mention that,like bro, that's what looks like
a fucking stand, especiallywhen he gets his requiem form at
the end exactly, and it canevolve, and each of them have
their own involved like digimonas well too, like they're able
to evolve, and then they canjump into the evolution or go
back to the simpler evolution.
So it's not like, oh, it's beenevolved and I have to stay in
(06:52):
my evolved form now, even thoughit takes up so much of my
energy.
No, I can choose to go to alower form to conserve energy.
And um, so one has a separateentity that he controls versus
the other one modifies his ownbody.
That is how his powers work.
So the writer purposely did that.
He said he wanted thesecharacters to be exact opposite
(07:14):
in every single way, likeliterally everything their
personality, the way they grewup, their power, set their color
scheme.
Everything is made exactlyopposite on purpose.
So that way it makes itdifficult.
You can't it's supposed to bedifficult to choose a favorite
character, because you haveaspects of both of them that you
appreciate and aspects of themthat you dislike as well too you
(07:37):
know what I like that?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
you said that because I was going to expand on the
characters a little bit more.
And mirajan, I'm going to getyour perspective in just a
moment, but let me just say thisreal quick first of all, yes, I
like the contrast between cosmoand ryuho, like between cosmo's
arm and, uh, ryuho's puppetthing.
(07:58):
Uh, keep in mind that, withalters, I like how, the way
their powers work and fancy clubClub President you can check to
see how accurate this could bebut it kind of reminds me of
Fullmetal Alchemist, reminds meof Transmutation Circles.
How, with all alters, the waytheir powers work is that they
(08:21):
absorb the matter around them isthat they absorb the matter
around them and like, hold on,let me pull up the exact notes
that I have for, um, essentially, uh, wait, wait, wait, I had it
okay.
It's a power that organism cancreate and arrange uh matter and
energy through uh mental effort, and then they can reconstruct
(08:44):
into a new form.
In other words, you know howDrake Cougar has his car, or
that one hammer guy, you knowall those different alters.
They all have that ability touse the items or even the ground
under their feet to make theirweapons.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, yep.
And then the last thing Iwanted to mention is that I love
also how there's detail in thesettings as well too, like the.
The point of the matter isunderstanding, like the
political aspect into things.
But there's a lot of detailbuilt in the city, there's a lot
of detail built in thewasteland and it's like every
(09:27):
time you see it you can see theabsolute, clear difference into
how these work out.
And it's like the writing, theart style, everything was made
just fantastic.
Like to me.
I have to say this is a 10 outof 10 because it's just one of
those ones of like, yeah, it waswonderful.
But I also do agree with you onthe manga.
The manga it does not do well.
(09:49):
They tried changing up a fewthings.
They wanted the manga to bemore bloody and cool.
You got that, but you changedup story elements, you
sacrificed a couple things.
It just wasn't all.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So that's my general take on it gotcha, gotcha mirror
jane, what's your take onscryde as a whole?
Uh, mj, mj, mj oh.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Jesus Christ MJ professionalism lunch.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I'm on lunch, okay, so honest opinion.
This is no offense, but thiswas a boys anime.
This was like a pre-teen boys,and not that I didn't like it,
(10:55):
it just sometimes the story felta little bit lackluster.
The episodes felt a little bit,um, disconnected, disjointed,
like it was a little difficultto follow along with the
storyline.
Um, for at least for me, justwatching it, I enjoyed all the
fighting.
I can't lie, oh yeah like every,every time there's a fight, of
(11:16):
course I'm down for it.
I enjoyed the idea of alterslike that was super cool,
especially at the time when thisanime came out like I think it
was like 2005, something likethat.
It was 2001 yeah, like at thattime it felt different than
everything else.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
That was kind of out right then there was a lot of
heat coming out around that time.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Honestly, the art style also reminded me a lot of
like how was bebop or outlawstar and um, was it re yo, hey,
rio, hey, remind me a lot of uh,oh god when I'm like oh yeah,
rioho reminds me a lot of theguy from Koki.
(12:00):
That's a little bit.
I don't know why I'm blankingon his name right now.
Leiluche Reminds me a littlebit of Leiluche, but just the
style, just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Just a little bit.
I mean between him and Zetsuo,his alter ability.
It's like, yeah, I can kind ofsee it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
It was the look, it was the way he kind of presented
himself, how he, like a coupleof boxes said, lived in the lap
of luxury, and this it wasn'tI'm not going to say it's like
one of my favorite top teams.
I didn't read the manga becauseit just didn't necessarily
interest me to read it, but I'dsay my favorite part about it
(12:44):
was definitely the altars andthe idea of how.
I love the idea of how they hadto like to obtain the more
power it was to see the light onthe other side and I love the
idea of the altar forest andthat was super cool.
Um, where, uh, I think uh,cosmo fights, uh fights the the
(13:06):
crystal yeah yeah, so that wassuper cool.
This was just a really different.
It's a different anime, it'snot your typical.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
It's not typical in my opinion it's one of those
animes where it does have atheme, but it's not that deep.
You can just enjoy it for whatit is.
So that's why I agree with youto where the story did feel a
little disjointed.
It's almost like most of theepisode felt like one shots,
like doesn't really reallyconnect until at the end to
(13:39):
where.
Okay, and now I understand whatthis uh story is really about
by the end of it all.
But it's more like it just tookus a while to get there, while
we form these connections withthese characters, where we gotta
feel something for thesecharacters before we really get
into, uh, what the plot isreally about.
Uh, that's why I was saying withkoka gatsu, like I understand,
(14:01):
for, like, for nostalgia reasons, I would give it a 10, but
realistically I can only give ita 9, because even back then I
thought where is this show going?
Like I mean, I'm, I'm here forthe action, like the action's
cool and all and the charactersare like, like, say, for
instance, kazuma, he's not likejust a hothead and reckless and
(14:24):
whatnot.
He could be uh altruistic andempathetic.
You know what, in fact, kazumareminds me of, I want to say
goku and a little bit of yusukeyurameshi in the regard that he
doesn't care about being a heroof justice.
He just really liked to fightlike the stronger the better, in
(14:45):
fact.
So I kind of like that cosmo'slike kind of rounded out as a
person.
So he's not like exactly acookie cutter protagonist per se
, and neither is ryu ho to where, yes, he believes in this sense
of justice and whatnot.
But when he found out that holdwas up to some bullshit, he was
(15:08):
like, okay, I can't fuck withy'all anymore.
But that doesn't take away myuh standards and my view of what
true justice is.
And another thing that I wantedto mention is how Kazuma and
ryuho it's not one of thoserivalries to where they're like,
okay, we kind of got off on thewrong foot at first, but now
(15:30):
that things change that we kindof come together and reconcile
and be friends, fuck all that.
They hate each other's guts andthey kept that same energy
throughout the whole anime andI'm like that was a genuine
rivalry.
It's like it doesn't matter howthings change between the Lost
Ground and the mainland.
The fact of the matter is Idon't like you, you don't like
(15:53):
me if I catch you on thesestreets.
It's on sight y'all is extra.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
If I will say only one thing, I partially disagree
onto the plot point that y'allhad mentioned as far as about
the story elements into it, andI want to say partially, for two
reasons.
One uh, I understand what youmean, mary jane, about it being
a boy's anime.
There's quite a few momentsthat's like it's for the boys.
Most definitely we will look atit and think like, oh, that's
(16:21):
just straight up fucking dope,and I can understand you're like
what's the point into it?
Um, the second thing about it.
So I can't deny that other one.
But the second thing is aboutsome of those plot points and I
guess, just because of the factthat I actually had a chance of
watching the interview, in thefact that, um, some of those
story elements that seem likethey're one-off and but like
(16:44):
going back to what is it you hadsaid jb, at the end you kind of
can understand it a little bitmore.
But it was supposed to be kindof like a going for the ride
moment, because each of thoseone-shot episodes was supposed
to help elevate the differencesbetween behind the walls and in
the wasteland, like the cityversus the wasteland and stuff,
(17:04):
how much of a difference thattheir lifestyle is like those
episodes that seem one-shottedand it's like, oh, it doesn't
seem like it continues on to themain plot point is actually
because it's supposed to bethere for the plot point of the
story, of the development of thecharacters, but also that
understanding of the background,like those episodes were made
as a background building.
And that's what he wound upsaying in his interview was the
(17:26):
fact that he was like when youwatch those episodes, you can
clearly see how cosmo is in, youknow, in the wasteland, how
yuho is in the um, how yuho isin the city.
But then later on and like,because technically it was
broken up as like season one,season two, so technically in
season two when they switch,where you know, like it was more
(17:49):
like back in those times, like26 episodes, it was like two
cores.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So it's like the 13 through 26 was considered season
two, but it was actually a core.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But yeah, go ahead, papa no, but yeah, exactly, and
so it's like one of those things.
And then the second season,those, some of those episodes
where it's not like it'spertaining to the story.
It's because, again, they'repertaining to the character
developments, because nowthey're switched, they're in two
different elements.
Now, like kazoo, kazoo is nolonger in the wasteland, he's in
the city, he's trying, he'sliving that life, but he's he's
(18:21):
adjusting, but he's also stillunderstanding that there's still
bullshit here.
And then ryuho he's now havingto understand the wasteland more
because now he's with cosmo'ssister and so he's like yo, I
understand the struggles thatyou guys went through, because
the way he was ended up.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Uh, konami was a friend, not a sister.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
She was close enough to being a sister.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
She felt like a sister.
But I had to look her up Justreal quick.
Is that her sister?
Nope, friend.
Child brain was kind ofconfused, but adult brain was
like oh, okay, I see what'sreally going on here.
That's why, mirror jane, whenyou said that this is like a
show for, like, pre-teen boys, Ifeel called out because I did
(19:07):
watch this show before I becamea teenager I mean that's how I
felt I'm watching it when Iwatch, because I'm watching
around the same age, right.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So it kind of just felt.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Like you've been missed on stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I was like 10, 11.
Yeah, like I was going to saybetween 10 or 11 when I was
watching.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I was watching Adult Swim, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But no, no.
So yeah, I can definitely seelike and that's one of those
ones that's like.
It's because this is one of theshows that it has those
fighting elements for the youngkids to enjoy, but it has those
story elements for the adults toenjoy and it's like, that's
something that you kind of like.
I guess as a dad I can say Inotice it nowadays, whereas,
like, for, disney is very goodabout this shit, like, for
(19:54):
example, disney's got this, uh,these little shorts for like the
cars movies and stuff, like youremember the little cars,
lightning the queen and shit.
So they got these littlestories with mater the old tote,
the whole work truck, tow,truck, shit, yeah, and he'd be
talking about all these oldstories and shit.
And the way they portray him islike he's that old man that
(20:15):
talks about these old storiesthat you like.
Nah, none of that made no sense.
There is no way that that'sbelievable.
And then they shows you at thevery end that, no, everything,
every story he talked about, wasactually true.
But I'm talking about like,when you listen to the stories
the kids laugh.
But I had a moment I had to stop.
Be like yo, what the fuck, waita second, like dude dude, like
he was talking about how he usedto be a private detective and
(20:36):
I'm like, wait what?
And he was like, yeah, thisgirl came up to him and he knew
this girl because they hadrelations way back before but
she cheated on him.
So she comes back because sheneeds some help and I'm sitting
here like this is for littlekids.
This is on Disney Junior.
What type of fucking story isthis?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Hey, man never forget that Star Wars was marketed to
kids.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That part, and so you just like wait a second.
Oh, because as an adult you'dbe like what the fuck?
I didn't understand.
So it's like Scryde or Scrydle.
Anyway, I went back andrewatched.
I have watched that thing somany times because I just loved
it so much and it's one of thoseones that it is one of those
shows of when you rewatch it asyou get older.
(21:22):
There are some things that,yeah, when we were younger you
didn't understand those storyelements, but now that you're
older you can see those storyelements that you're just like
okay, I can see now.
I can see how these charactershave gone through their dynamic
changes but then still maintaintheir mindset nonetheless,
because both of them still didthe same thing.
(21:42):
They both lived each other'slives, they swapped lives and in
the end of the day, they stillsaid I now understand you, but I
still want to fucking kill youbecause I just want to prove
that I'm stronger, like that'sjust what.
And that's one of those ones.
Again, mary jane, yeah, that'sfor the boys, that's just.
There's no point in today, Imean it's like all that
(22:04):
character development.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Why can't we be friends?
No, fuck all that exactly so.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It's like it's one of those things like look, that's
just what it is.
Sometimes you just got to proveyourself and this is the
perfect person to prove yourselfto.
That's just what it is.
The closest thing I can say forthe girls to understand is if
this girl who used to be yourfriend slept with your man, now
all of a sudden you have aneternal rivalry with her, for
obvious reasons.
That's the closest we got.
Except we didn't need anythingfucked up like that to make us
(22:33):
have that rivalry.
We just saw this person.
It just became on sight.
That's just what it was like.
Something about your energyjust did not line up with mine.
And now it's on site and that'sjust what it is.
There's no point to it.
There doesn't need to be apoint to it, it's just there.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
That would explain a lot when I was growing up as a
kid.
Yeah, that's annoying the typeof people that just beefing with
you for no fucking reason, eventhough you were like the quiet
kid, you didn that.
Just beefing with you for nofucking reason, even though you
were like the quiet kid, youdidn't even say like.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I felt like Spongebob talking to Flash in that one
episode where I damn, I didn'teven say like two words to the
guy yeah, like dude Bubble Bassjust all of a sudden just hates
Spongebob just because, likeSpongebob, he's supposed to be
this super nice dude, but hestill got haters.
Bro, cause you got haters justbecause you exist?
Understand?
That's just what it is.
Help family out parents.
(23:25):
Timmy turner, that's the wholepoint of the anti-fairies.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
The fairies don't really go against each other,
but the anti-fairies just hatethe fairies just because that's
why they have that saying towhere, if you want to avoid
criticism, then you say nothing,do nothing and be nothing.
Where, when you really thinkabout it's like hey, man, listen
, no matter what you say, nomatter what you do, there's
(23:50):
going to be someone thatdisagrees with you and some
people that just want tostraight up fight you just
because it's like it is what itis like.
You can debate about thelogistics of it if you want to,
or you just roll with the factthat not everybody's going to
like you.
Yeah yeah, you should befriendly to everybody, but you
can't be friends with everybody.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Exactly.
And like you said, JB, justlike fuck all that dynamic
character entry shit.
Like fuck all that shit.
Sometimes you just got to be it, just got to be on site and
there ain't got to be no realreason for it.
I mean, hold on, have youplayed?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
the Yakuza games Mira .
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Jane, yeah, so you understand that these dudes are
friendly with each other butstill will fuck each other up
just because they're on site.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Y'all, I got you, I get it.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I'm just saying so the boys, we're like, we're just
straight up with it.
I was like, hey man, I justdon't like your fucking guts.
I'm like, hey man, you don'thave to like me.
We can settle this out.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I can take this out, Gentlemen you know, and
sometimes respect comes with theass whooping like shit.
Baki says it best.
I think was it dope or roachie.
He had this one line in bakiand it's the perfect line
whatsoever.
He said this against um, uh,what was it?
Tyson, not mike tyson jr?
Uh, muhammad ali jr in the show?
(25:12):
Well, because they had tochange the name for legal reason
, anyway ali jr.
And shit, he told him.
He said I don't care about thefact that you whooped my ass one
time.
He said you need to whoop myass so bad to the point that I
won't even think about comingback and challenging you again,
and you failed to do that.
So let me show you how it'sdone.
That's his actual words to him.
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He said I need you to whoop myass so bad that I don't even
think about challenging youagain, and you failed to do that
.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
That's the hardest, that's the most for the boys
line whatsoever, I feeldisrespected because I feel like
you're not putting your fullweight into your fist, because
for some reason, I keep comingback wanting for more.
So I feel like you're notreally respecting the fact that
I'm coming at you with all I got, so I need you to beat my ass
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with my full strength orotherwise.
I'm just going to keep comingat you.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Exactly.
You ain't did enough yet, broHell, you keep coming back all
the time.
You ain't whooped their asshard enough yet.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
That's just what it is uh, I'm not feeling that,
though I don't feel like I'm notconvinced that your heart is
really in the door I'm not.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I can't act like girls.
Don't have these moments.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I do hey man listen.
Sparking zero coming on october11th house rules are being
reinstated yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Hey look, I whooped your ass so hard in 10.
You ain't challenged me foryears, but sparking zero coming
back and all of a sudden youthink you got a chance.
I obviously didn't whoop yourass bad enough, yet we about to
do this.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Let's swear nope, that's me, and my friend Shannon
beat my behind so bad I ain'tnever.
Nope, I didn't want to touch acontroller for six months,
absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Nope that means she did her job properly.
So you understand the point,like it's just y'all.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Let me tell you it's better I'm not gonna lie, it's
way better when you've got likea teenager trying to challenge
somebody who's been in this game.
My nephew challenged her andthat was the best get back.
I have ever seen my nephew hungup the call Straight up, just
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disconnected.
I was like are you all right?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Let me finish my last point because I want to give it
back to you guys.
I have a lot that I would sayon tour, but, like JB said,
that's what we got to block fornow.
My last point is the finalfight.
We finally got a chance to seethem squared off in the end and
everybody else just had torespect the fact that they're
going to kill each other,because that's just what it is.
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I had to whoop your ass to thepoint that you don't come back
and challenge me and if I gotta,and if I gotta die trying, I
gotta die trying.
That's just what it is.
I loved that fight scenebecause of the progression.
They didn't start off in fullstrength.
This was not no Dragon Ball Zshit.
They built themselves up intoit.
They started off in theirweakest forms and built
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themselves stronger and stronger, as they needed to be.
Oh no.
Goku.
Like you know, goku don't well,yeah, no, goku does that, but
Vegeta don't.
Vegeta starts off full powerstrength.
Whenever he fights Goku, he'slike don't come at me, weak,
come at me with your full power,nigga, let's do this shit.
Okay, fair enough, Even Gohandid that in the manga, but I
don't want to spoil that, justsaying Like he went straight
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beast.
But yeah, goku's the one thatmost likes to do that.
But these two, they both hadtheir respect for each other.
They started off with theirlowest forms on purpose just to
go ahead and put things togetherLike so they could.
It wasn't even starting tofigure each other out.
It was like let me see how faryou've come as we progress our
energies up level.
Let me see how far you come aswe progress our energies up
level, as it starts gettingbetter and better and stuff.
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And this is where it startedgetting like.
Kazuo was my favorite alterbecause he reminded me of
Digimon Frontier.
You know when they digivolvedthemselves.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
What did he call the final form?
It was Proud Fist.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yep, and look, I'm not going to lie to you, I had
straight up Burning Finger vibesfrom Gundam whenever he went
into his final form.
It was uh proud fist.
Yep, and look, I'm not gonnalie to you, I had straight up
burning finger vibes from gundamwhenever he went into his final
form and hit his final attack.
But then he also reminded me alittle bit of like grim joe.
When grim joe goes into his uhfrom bleach, when he goes into
his uh full release form, yeah,something with that some reason
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I was getting that vibe that hewas kind of looking like a JoJo
stand.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
You know, ryuho had an actual stand, but Kazuma was
like transforming into a standthe way he was looking, because
the thing about it is that, eventhough these alter users could
evolve their powers, it's likebecause these two are like the
main protagonist, it's likethey're being pushed to their
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limits to evolve their powers.
That's why you get to see shitwhere, okay, they have like new
forms, so it's almost like OnePiece where they're awakening
their devil fruit.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But I will say one of the biggest aspects into the
show, that it was something thatthe writer that he did say that
he had to kind of notnecessarily write off, but he
had to change it a little bit.
And even the manga showed howmuch that little plot point kind
of failed just a moment becauseit would have shortened the
series.
As your alter grows, you dielike.
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As your alter evolves, itstarts sapping more of your life
from you.
I remember because at the endthey would start to deteriorate
as their alter powers weredeveloping exactly, but remember
, at the end of season one, orlike the end of, I have to say
season one again, sorry, butbecause nowadays like you watch
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it online, it doesn't show it asseparate seasons.
From what I've seen, it showsit all as one full series.
But um, at the end of, like thefirst half, when cosmo first,
like really, um evolves, hisalter, his body permanently
changes.
But every time he evolves hisbody was supposed to change more
and more.
He was supposed to deteriorateand he was supposed to lose
feeling in his arm, like he wassupposed to be like, to the
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point where until he altered hisarm he couldn't move it period,
like in his, in his human form.
He couldn't do anything becausethat's how badly evolving
permanently changed his body.
But then how would that haveworked out in the story?
So it didn't work out well.
So throughout most of season twowe don't see the deterioration.
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It almost is like it comes to ahalt and that was a failed plot
point, but the writer admittedthat himself.
So he was like it just the waythat it started off progressing.
There was no way he was goingto make it to the end and it
just kind of wasn't fair.
So he had to hold it off untilthe final fight, when we finally
got a chance to see themactually deteriorate and start
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really dying more Now as theystarted using more of their
evolved powers.
So that was one thing that I'mhappy.
In the final fight we reallygot to see that.
But that was a a failed plotpoint in the story.
But I'm happy that the writerhe admitted himself that he had
to halt that because he realizedhe couldn't do it properly.
Gotcha, okay, okay, but that'sall I got.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
But but, um, was there anything in general that
y'all want to talk about?
Because, honestly, I don't wantto take too much away from
anybody who may want to likere-experience the anime, like if
they're watching or listeningto this episode.
So, like, all I will say isthat check it out.
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On Crunchyroll it's pretty good.
It still holds up to this day.
The only thing I just didn'tlike is how I just felt as
though the ending felt like acliffhanger to a degree, to
where, okay, who won the fightand what are they up to now?
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That was the main thing.
But then again, once again, atthat point, I'm kind of used to
anime having these cliffhangerendings to where it could have
gone somewhere, but that's thebest we're going to get.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, I think that was on purpose too, so I feel on
that.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
MJ, did you have anything you want to add?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
on.
I will say one thing I did loveAbout.
It is At least from my memory.
Let me say that I don'tremember If there was any
Allusions to any romanticinterest, like there was no
romantic Interest, at least frommy memory.
Too much.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I think it was on blue-haired girl Shira's.
Yeah, her and Ryuho.
You like her and Ryuho yeah,that was the only thing but
Ryuho was so focused on and noteven so much like completing the
mission he was on his Batmangrind set.
Yeah, he's like we ain't gottime for love right now until we
handle this shit that we needto handle.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I like of love right now, until we uh handle this
shit that we need to handle.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
So I like how that was, like the back burner, you
know.
I like how that didn't become.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
No offense to giga.
Giga is one of my favoritegundams, but oh, I can't wait to
talk about that one.
No shit.
But um, the the love story inthere sometimes took a little,
in my opinion, to go away fromthe fight.
If it's gonna be about fighting, let it be about fighting, and
that is something that thisanime does perfectly got it.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Um, are you sure that's all you want to add?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
on to.
That is all I got.
Uh, we didn't spoil nothingfrom this whole show.
To be honest with you.
Like there's so many alters wewell, we talked about do with a
hammer and do with a car.
We didn't tell you how funny todo with the car was and you got
to watch it to see.
So, yeah, no, we didn't reallyspoil that before you guys.
Like this is a general, youknow, we like it.
There's some points that welike, some points that we hate.
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When you watch it, you mightfeel the same, you might feel
different.
You know, please, definitelylet us know.
Like I said, we'll get thatblog up on the website.
And then, please, there's acomment section.
Let us know how you feel.
Please come on, comment onto it.
Tell us now so.
Zone-alliancecom.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
With that being said, we're going to go ahead and
close this out.
Coach, you got to sue MJ.
I do thank you for being on theshow and I thank you, the dear
listener, for tuning in.
Remember that we're going tohave more episodes coming out.
We're going to try to get moreepisodes added to Patreon first,
before it goes public, andwe're also not only working on
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the website, but we're alsotrying to work on YouTube
channels where we're doingmultiple types of streams for
gaming, cooking, d&d, just awhole bunch of things in general
.
But until then, you stay nerdyand stay faithful.
Great things are coming.
We are going to go ahead andzone out of here.
So you have yourself a goodmorning, good afternoon and good
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evening.
Take it easy.
welcome back to the zone podcast, the show that's
all about nerdy news and reviews.
I'm jeff blackestream, but feelfree to call me jb if you wish
and today's topic is scryde.
Joining me on this review istokugatsu and mira jane, so
let's go ahead and zone in on it.
What can I say about scryde?
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It's one of those hidden gemanime that's like underrated,
one of those.
It's a damn shame more peopledon't talk about it.
It's like, even though it'spure action, like most of the
anime is like them fighting eachother, but there's like a
deeper theme of order versusfreedom, of order versus freedom
(00:44):
.
There's this government agency,this police force that's like
not as good as you think theyare, and one of the main
protagonists is beingdisillusioned by the people that
he looked up to.
And you have another guy whojust pretty much want to do
whatever he wants, but at thesame time he has to remember
(01:05):
that he has people that careabout him, so he can't be doing
all this reckless shit, knowingthat he got friends that all
want him to.
You know, come back alive andone piece and all that shit.
And outside of that I wasthinking like they got some
colorful characters, like somecharacters.
That really stands out.
(01:26):
And I'm not trying to uh, go onfor too long.
But what can I say about scrydelike, other than if I were to
give it a rating right now, Iwould give it a four out of five
stars, maybe like a eight tonine out of ten.
(01:47):
I just kind of wish the endingfelt more conclusive, but then
again, that was just kind of thenorm for anime back in 2001.
Like, ok, aside from whathappened in September, that was
like a good year like anime andmovies and all that shit.
But hey man, listen back inthat time, when I heard Reckless
(02:08):
Fire coming on, I'm like I amhyped, I am ready to go.
I'm like it's one of thoseanime to where, once you hear
that um theme song, it's likeall right, I'm ready, I'm diving
in on this.
And it was on Adult Sw at thetime.
And also I do like how?
Scry is a anime originalproject where it started off as
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an anime first and then theywere like, okay, let's make a
manga while we're at it.
But I'm gonna be real with you,I don't recommend manga.
It's kind of like, uh, whenkoki gatsu and I was talking
about prison school, I'm likeyou can read it if you want to,
but I'm gonna recommend it.
Speaking of which, tokugatsu,how are you feeling about Scry?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I love Scry.
It was one of the For me.
I had that whole little thingwith that because my eldest
brother, when he first went tocollege, he had wound up buying
a bunch of anime because hecouldn't.
He was like I ain't got themoney to be paying for cable and
internet and stuff right now,so he had just bought some like
anime dvds.
Went down to visit him one day,saw the dvd.
(03:10):
He saw this.
He had the full box set and Iwas like shoot, can I watch it?
He was like sure, and I startedwatching a couple episodes and
I was like yo, I gotta get back.
But, um, can I take this withme?
He said I'm not watching themright now, I'm mostly working.
He said you're more thanwelcome.
He said just give it back to me.
I said of course, went back,watched it, fell in love with
the whole show.
Like you said, it's very much ahidden gem.
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There's a lot of detailedpoints into it but to be honest,
that would be a full rant to gointo, so I'll just keep it very
simple.
I'm not got time for that.
Literally, you love the factthat I mean there's always a
blog on you.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I can make a detailed article on it on the Zone
website y'all, ZoneWisecom.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Actually we got a couple that working on right now
.
I know Mira James.
She is already.
She, hers is in the editingstage at the moment, so in the
proofreading and editing.
So we're going to get hers upand running, hopefully before
the end of this weekend by thetime of recording.
And then Professor Tuck alsohas one that he has started.
That's also in the proofreadingand editing stage as well too.
(04:17):
So definitely be on the lookout.
We're hoping to have like twodone, if not by the end of this
weekend, before the middle ofnext week To get those fully up
onto the website.
So you guys can definitelycheck that out.
But yeah, as far as buying intothe show, our two main
characters is one of those onesthat are exact opposites.
(04:37):
Both of them have some form oftroubling upbringing, especially
because of their powers, buteach of them take life very
differently.
I want to talk about theirpowers too.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Go ahead.
I want to talk about theirpowers, but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, and so one is more rule savvy, one is more
about rules and how in orderversus.
The other is about true freedom, like literally going back to
the Assassin's Creed orderversus chaos.
Others about true freedom, likeliterally going back to the
Assassin's Creed order versuschaos, and stuff like that,
where the Templars are all aboutorder and control but the
Assassin's all about ultimatefreedom, even if it means, you
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know, having chaos as long aseverybody has their freedom.
And so it's like one actuallylives the life of luxury in
class and the other one he'sliterally on the dirt streets.
He got to fight and kill forhis food type and it's like yo.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I know you're not on the exactly the uh new gen
console, uh way, but I reallyhope that you'll be on for the
assassin's creed review indecember, where we talk about
mirage and shadows I'm hopefulthat PS5, it's still expensive.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I was hopeful that when they announced the PS5 Pro,
that the first PS5 was going togo ahead and drop in price a
little bit, they ain't budgingon that shit Nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Honestly, we're going to talk about it in the nerdy
news special.
But the PS5 Pro, it's like ifyou don't have a ps5 at all, I
get it, but if you already haveone, don't, don't, don't, wish
there's no point.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
There's literally no point, like just just don't, but
anyway.
But yeah, so it's like each onehas the um has those moments
where it's like that each ofthem have exact opposites.
The color scheme is opposite,they're growing up is opposite,
their power sets is opposite.
I know we're going to talkabout later, but just like a
brief moment where one has hisown he.
He winds up having pretty muchdamn near jojo stand.
(06:31):
That's kind of.
Yes, I was gonna mention that,like bro, that's what looks like
a fucking stand, especiallywhen he gets his requiem form at
the end exactly, and it canevolve, and each of them have
their own involved like digimonas well too, like they're able
to evolve, and then they canjump into the evolution or go
back to the simpler evolution.
So it's not like, oh, it's beenevolved and I have to stay in
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my evolved form now, even thoughit takes up so much of my
energy.
No, I can choose to go to alower form to conserve energy.
And um, so one has a separateentity that he controls versus
the other one modifies his ownbody.
That is how his powers work.
So the writer purposely did that.
He said he wanted thesecharacters to be exact opposite
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in every single way, likeliterally everything their
personality, the way they grewup, their power, set their color
scheme.
Everything is made exactlyopposite on purpose.
So that way it makes itdifficult.
You can't it's supposed to bedifficult to choose a favorite
character, because you haveaspects of both of them that you
appreciate and aspects of themthat you dislike as well too you
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know what I like that?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
you said that because I was going to expand on the
characters a little bit more.
And mirajan, I'm going to getyour perspective in just a
moment, but let me just say thisreal quick first of all, yes, I
like the contrast between cosmoand ryuho, like between cosmo's
arm and, uh, ryuho's puppetthing.
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Uh, keep in mind that, withalters, I like how, the way
their powers work and fancy clubClub President you can check to
see how accurate this could bebut it kind of reminds me of
Fullmetal Alchemist, reminds meof Transmutation Circles.
How, with all alters, the waytheir powers work is that they
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absorb the matter around them isthat they absorb the matter
around them and like, hold on,let me pull up the exact notes
that I have for, um, essentially, uh, wait, wait, wait, I had it
okay.
It's a power that organism cancreate and arrange uh matter and
energy through uh mental effort, and then they can reconstruct
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into a new form.
In other words, you know howDrake Cougar has his car, or
that one hammer guy, you knowall those different alters.
They all have that ability touse the items or even the ground
under their feet to make theirweapons.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, yep.
And then the last thing Iwanted to mention is that I love
also how there's detail in thesettings as well too, like the.
The point of the matter isunderstanding, like the
political aspect into things.
But there's a lot of detailbuilt in the city, there's a lot
of detail built in thewasteland and it's like every
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time you see it you can see theabsolute, clear difference into
how these work out.
And it's like the writing, theart style, everything was made
just fantastic.
Like to me.
I have to say this is a 10 outof 10 because it's just one of
those ones of like, yeah, it waswonderful.
But I also do agree with you onthe manga.
The manga it does not do well.
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They tried changing up a fewthings.
They wanted the manga to bemore bloody and cool.
You got that, but you changedup story elements, you
sacrificed a couple things.
It just wasn't all.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So that's my general take on it gotcha, gotcha mirror
jane, what's your take onscryde as a whole?
Uh, mj, mj, mj oh.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Jesus Christ MJ professionalism lunch.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I'm on lunch, okay, so honest opinion.
This is no offense, but thiswas a boys anime.
This was like a pre-teen boys,and not that I didn't like it,
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it just sometimes the story felta little bit lackluster.
The episodes felt a little bit,um, disconnected, disjointed,
like it was a little difficultto follow along with the
storyline.
Um, for at least for me, justwatching it, I enjoyed all the
fighting.
I can't lie, oh yeah like every,every time there's a fight, of
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course I'm down for it.
I enjoyed the idea of alterslike that was super cool,
especially at the time when thisanime came out like I think it
was like 2005, something likethat.
It was 2001 yeah, like at thattime it felt different than
everything else.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
That was kind of out right then there was a lot of
heat coming out around that time.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Honestly, the art style also reminded me a lot of
like how was bebop or outlawstar and um, was it re yo, hey,
rio, hey, remind me a lot of uh,oh god when I'm like oh yeah,
rioho reminds me a lot of theguy from Koki.
(12:00):
That's a little bit.
I don't know why I'm blankingon his name right now.
Leiluche Reminds me a littlebit of Leiluche, but just the
style, just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Just a little bit.
I mean between him and Zetsuo,his alter ability.
It's like, yeah, I can kind ofsee it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
It was the look, it was the way he kind of presented
himself, how he, like a coupleof boxes said, lived in the lap
of luxury, and this it wasn'tI'm not going to say it's like
one of my favorite top teams.
I didn't read the manga becauseit just didn't necessarily
interest me to read it, but I'dsay my favorite part about it
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was definitely the altars andthe idea of how.
I love the idea of how they hadto like to obtain the more
power it was to see the light onthe other side and I love the
idea of the altar forest andthat was super cool.
Um, where, uh, I think uh,cosmo fights, uh fights the the
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crystal yeah yeah, so that wassuper cool.
This was just a really different.
It's a different anime, it'snot your typical.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
It's not typical in my opinion it's one of those
animes where it does have atheme, but it's not that deep.
You can just enjoy it for whatit is.
So that's why I agree with youto where the story did feel a
little disjointed.
It's almost like most of theepisode felt like one shots,
like doesn't really reallyconnect until at the end to
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where.
Okay, and now I understand whatthis uh story is really about
by the end of it all.
But it's more like it just tookus a while to get there, while
we form these connections withthese characters, where we gotta
feel something for thesecharacters before we really get
into, uh, what the plot isreally about.
Uh, that's why I was saying withkoka gatsu, like I understand,
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for, like, for nostalgia reasons, I would give it a 10, but
realistically I can only give ita 9, because even back then I
thought where is this show going?
Like I mean, I'm, I'm here forthe action, like the action's
cool and all and the charactersare like, like, say, for
instance, kazuma, he's not likejust a hothead and reckless and
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whatnot.
He could be uh altruistic andempathetic.
You know what, in fact, kazumareminds me of, I want to say
goku and a little bit of yusukeyurameshi in the regard that he
doesn't care about being a heroof justice.
He just really liked to fightlike the stronger the better, in
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fact.
So I kind of like that cosmo'slike kind of rounded out as a
person.
So he's not like exactly acookie cutter protagonist per se
, and neither is ryu ho to where, yes, he believes in this sense
of justice and whatnot.
But when he found out that holdwas up to some bullshit, he was
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like, okay, I can't fuck withy'all anymore.
But that doesn't take away myuh standards and my view of what
true justice is.
And another thing that I wantedto mention is how Kazuma and
ryuho it's not one of thoserivalries to where they're like,
okay, we kind of got off on thewrong foot at first, but now
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that things change that we kindof come together and reconcile
and be friends, fuck all that.
They hate each other's guts andthey kept that same energy
throughout the whole anime andI'm like that was a genuine
rivalry.
It's like it doesn't matter howthings change between the Lost
Ground and the mainland.
The fact of the matter is Idon't like you, you don't like
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me if I catch you on thesestreets.
It's on sight y'all is extra.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
If I will say only one thing, I partially disagree
onto the plot point that y'allhad mentioned as far as about
the story elements into it, andI want to say partially, for two
reasons.
One uh, I understand what youmean, mary jane, about it being
a boy's anime.
There's quite a few momentsthat's like it's for the boys.
Most definitely we will look atit and think like, oh, that's
(16:21):
just straight up fucking dope,and I can understand you're like
what's the point into it?
Um, the second thing about it.
So I can't deny that other one.
But the second thing is aboutsome of those plot points and I
guess, just because of the factthat I actually had a chance of
watching the interview, in thefact that, um, some of those
story elements that seem likethey're one-off and but like
(16:44):
going back to what is it you hadsaid jb, at the end you kind of
can understand it a little bitmore.
But it was supposed to be kindof like a going for the ride
moment, because each of thoseone-shot episodes was supposed
to help elevate the differencesbetween behind the walls and in
the wasteland, like the cityversus the wasteland and stuff,
(17:04):
how much of a difference thattheir lifestyle is like those
episodes that seem one-shottedand it's like, oh, it doesn't
seem like it continues on to themain plot point is actually
because it's supposed to bethere for the plot point of the
story, of the development of thecharacters, but also that
understanding of the background,like those episodes were made
as a background building.
And that's what he wound upsaying in his interview was the
(17:26):
fact that he was like when youwatch those episodes, you can
clearly see how cosmo is in, youknow, in the wasteland, how
yuho is in the um, how yuho isin the city.
But then later on and like,because technically it was
broken up as like season one,season two, so technically in
season two when they switch,where you know, like it was more
(17:49):
like back in those times, like26 episodes, it was like two
cores.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So it's like the 13 through 26 was considered season
two, but it was actually a core.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But yeah, go ahead, papa no, but yeah, exactly, and
so it's like one of those things.
And then the second season,those, some of those episodes
where it's not like it'spertaining to the story.
It's because, again, they'repertaining to the character
developments, because nowthey're switched, they're in two
different elements.
Now, like kazoo, kazoo is nolonger in the wasteland, he's in
the city, he's trying, he'sliving that life, but he's he's
(18:21):
adjusting, but he's also stillunderstanding that there's still
bullshit here.
And then ryuho he's now havingto understand the wasteland more
because now he's with cosmo'ssister and so he's like yo, I
understand the struggles thatyou guys went through, because
the way he was ended up.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Uh, konami was a friend, not a sister.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
She was close enough to being a sister.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
She felt like a sister.
But I had to look her up Justreal quick.
Is that her sister?
Nope, friend.
Child brain was kind ofconfused, but adult brain was
like oh, okay, I see what'sreally going on here.
That's why, mirror jane, whenyou said that this is like a
show for, like, pre-teen boys, Ifeel called out because I did
(19:07):
watch this show before I becamea teenager I mean that's how I
felt I'm watching it when Iwatch, because I'm watching
around the same age, right.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So it kind of just felt.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Like you've been missed on stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I was like 10, 11.
Yeah, like I was going to saybetween 10 or 11 when I was
watching.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I was watching Adult Swim, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But no, no.
So yeah, I can definitely seelike and that's one of those
ones that's like.
It's because this is one of theshows that it has those
fighting elements for the youngkids to enjoy, but it has those
story elements for the adults toenjoy and it's like, that's
something that you kind of like.
I guess as a dad I can say Inotice it nowadays, whereas,
like, for, disney is very goodabout this shit, like, for
(19:54):
example, disney's got this, uh,these little shorts for like the
cars movies and stuff, like youremember the little cars,
lightning the queen and shit.
So they got these littlestories with mater the old tote,
the whole work truck, tow,truck, shit, yeah, and he'd be
talking about all these oldstories and shit.
And the way they portray him islike he's that old man that
(20:15):
talks about these old storiesthat you like.
Nah, none of that made no sense.
There is no way that that'sbelievable.
And then they shows you at thevery end that, no, everything,
every story he talked about, wasactually true.
But I'm talking about like,when you listen to the stories
the kids laugh.
But I had a moment I had to stop.
Be like yo, what the fuck, waita second, like dude dude, like
he was talking about how he usedto be a private detective and
(20:36):
I'm like, wait what?
And he was like, yeah, thisgirl came up to him and he knew
this girl because they hadrelations way back before but
she cheated on him.
So she comes back because sheneeds some help and I'm sitting
here like this is for littlekids.
This is on Disney Junior.
What type of fucking story isthis?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Hey, man never forget that Star Wars was marketed to
kids.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That part, and so you just like wait a second.
Oh, because as an adult you'dbe like what the fuck?
I didn't understand.
So it's like Scryde or Scrydle.
Anyway, I went back andrewatched.
I have watched that thing somany times because I just loved
it so much and it's one of thoseones that it is one of those
shows of when you rewatch it asyou get older.
(21:22):
There are some things that,yeah, when we were younger you
didn't understand those storyelements, but now that you're
older you can see those storyelements that you're just like
okay, I can see now.
I can see how these charactershave gone through their dynamic
changes but then still maintaintheir mindset nonetheless,
because both of them still didthe same thing.
(21:42):
They both lived each other'slives, they swapped lives and in
the end of the day, they stillsaid I now understand you, but I
still want to fucking kill youbecause I just want to prove
that I'm stronger, like that'sjust what.
And that's one of those ones.
Again, mary jane, yeah, that'sfor the boys, that's just.
There's no point in today, Imean it's like all that
(22:04):
character development.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Why can't we be friends?
No, fuck all that exactly so.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It's like it's one of those things like look, that's
just what it is.
Sometimes you just got to proveyourself and this is the
perfect person to prove yourselfto.
That's just what it is.
The closest thing I can say forthe girls to understand is if
this girl who used to be yourfriend slept with your man, now
all of a sudden you have aneternal rivalry with her, for
obvious reasons.
That's the closest we got.
Except we didn't need anythingfucked up like that to make us
(22:33):
have that rivalry.
We just saw this person.
It just became on sight.
That's just what it was like.
Something about your energyjust did not line up with mine.
And now it's on site and that'sjust what it is.
There's no point to it.
There doesn't need to be apoint to it, it's just there.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
That would explain a lot when I was growing up as a
kid.
Yeah, that's annoying the typeof people that just beefing with
you for no fucking reason, eventhough you were like the quiet
kid, you didn that.
Just beefing with you for nofucking reason, even though you
were like the quiet kid, youdidn't even say like.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I felt like Spongebob talking to Flash in that one
episode where I damn, I didn'teven say like two words to the
guy yeah, like dude Bubble Bassjust all of a sudden just hates
Spongebob just because, likeSpongebob, he's supposed to be
this super nice dude, but hestill got haters.
Bro, cause you got haters justbecause you exist?
Understand?
That's just what it is.
Help family out parents.
(23:25):
Timmy turner, that's the wholepoint of the anti-fairies.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
The fairies don't really go against each other,
but the anti-fairies just hatethe fairies just because that's
why they have that saying towhere, if you want to avoid
criticism, then you say nothing,do nothing and be nothing.
Where, when you really thinkabout it's like hey, man, listen
, no matter what you say, nomatter what you do, there's
(23:50):
going to be someone thatdisagrees with you and some
people that just want tostraight up fight you just
because it's like it is what itis like.
You can debate about thelogistics of it if you want to,
or you just roll with the factthat not everybody's going to
like you.
Yeah yeah, you should befriendly to everybody, but you
can't be friends with everybody.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Exactly.
And like you said, JB, justlike fuck all that dynamic
character entry shit.
Like fuck all that shit.
Sometimes you just got to be it, just got to be on site and
there ain't got to be no realreason for it.
I mean, hold on, have youplayed?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
the Yakuza games Mira .
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Jane, yeah, so you understand that these dudes are
friendly with each other butstill will fuck each other up
just because they're on site.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Y'all, I got you, I get it.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I'm just saying so the boys, we're like, we're just
straight up with it.
I was like, hey man, I justdon't like your fucking guts.
I'm like, hey man, you don'thave to like me.
We can settle this out.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I can take this out, Gentlemen you know, and
sometimes respect comes with theass whooping like shit.
Baki says it best.
I think was it dope or roachie.
He had this one line in bakiand it's the perfect line
whatsoever.
He said this against um, uh,what was it?
Tyson, not mike tyson jr?
Uh, muhammad ali jr in the show?
(25:12):
Well, because they had tochange the name for legal reason
, anyway ali jr.
And shit, he told him.
He said I don't care about thefact that you whooped my ass one
time.
He said you need to whoop myass so bad to the point that I
won't even think about comingback and challenging you again,
and you failed to do that.
So let me show you how it'sdone.
That's his actual words to him.
(25:32):
He said I need you to whoop myass so bad that I don't even
think about challenging youagain, and you failed to do that
.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
That's the hardest, that's the most for the boys
line whatsoever, I feeldisrespected because I feel like
you're not putting your fullweight into your fist, because
for some reason, I keep comingback wanting for more.
So I feel like you're notreally respecting the fact that
I'm coming at you with all I got, so I need you to beat my ass
(26:03):
with my full strength orotherwise.
I'm just going to keep comingat you.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Exactly.
You ain't did enough yet, broHell, you keep coming back all
the time.
You ain't whooped their asshard enough yet.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
That's just what it is uh, I'm not feeling that,
though I don't feel like I'm notconvinced that your heart is
really in the door I'm not.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I can't act like girls.
Don't have these moments.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I do hey man listen.
Sparking zero coming on october11th house rules are being
reinstated yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Hey look, I whooped your ass so hard in 10.
You ain't challenged me foryears, but sparking zero coming
back and all of a sudden youthink you got a chance.
I obviously didn't whoop yourass bad enough, yet we about to
do this.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Let's swear nope, that's me, and my friend Shannon
beat my behind so bad I ain'tnever.
Nope, I didn't want to touch acontroller for six months,
absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Nope that means she did her job properly.
So you understand the point,like it's just y'all.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Let me tell you it's better I'm not gonna lie, it's
way better when you've got likea teenager trying to challenge
somebody who's been in this game.
My nephew challenged her andthat was the best get back.
I have ever seen my nephew hungup the call Straight up, just
(27:21):
disconnected.
I was like are you all right?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Let me finish my last point because I want to give it
back to you guys.
I have a lot that I would sayon tour, but, like JB said,
that's what we got to block fornow.
My last point is the finalfight.
We finally got a chance to seethem squared off in the end and
everybody else just had torespect the fact that they're
going to kill each other,because that's just what it is.
(27:49):
I had to whoop your ass to thepoint that you don't come back
and challenge me and if I gotta,and if I gotta die trying, I
gotta die trying.
That's just what it is.
I loved that fight scenebecause of the progression.
They didn't start off in fullstrength.
This was not no Dragon Ball Zshit.
They built themselves up intoit.
They started off in theirweakest forms and built
(28:13):
themselves stronger and stronger, as they needed to be.
Oh no.
Goku.
Like you know, goku don't well,yeah, no, goku does that, but
Vegeta don't.
Vegeta starts off full powerstrength.
Whenever he fights Goku, he'slike don't come at me, weak,
come at me with your full power,nigga, let's do this shit.
Okay, fair enough, Even Gohandid that in the manga, but I
don't want to spoil that, justsaying Like he went straight
(28:37):
beast.
But yeah, goku's the one thatmost likes to do that.
But these two, they both hadtheir respect for each other.
They started off with theirlowest forms on purpose just to
go ahead and put things togetherLike so they could.
It wasn't even starting tofigure each other out.
It was like let me see how faryou've come as we progress our
energies up level.
Let me see how far you come aswe progress our energies up
level, as it starts gettingbetter and better and stuff.
(28:57):
And this is where it startedgetting like.
Kazuo was my favorite alterbecause he reminded me of
Digimon Frontier.
You know when they digivolvedthemselves.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
What did he call the final form?
It was Proud Fist.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yep, and look, I'm not going to lie to you, I had
straight up Burning Finger vibesfrom Gundam whenever he went
into his final form.
It was uh proud fist.
Yep, and look, I'm not gonnalie to you, I had straight up
burning finger vibes from gundamwhenever he went into his final
form and hit his final attack.
But then he also reminded me alittle bit of like grim joe.
When grim joe goes into his uhfrom bleach, when he goes into
his uh full release form, yeah,something with that some reason
(29:38):
I was getting that vibe that hewas kind of looking like a JoJo
stand.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
You know, ryuho had an actual stand, but Kazuma was
like transforming into a standthe way he was looking, because
the thing about it is that, eventhough these alter users could
evolve their powers, it's likebecause these two are like the
main protagonist, it's likethey're being pushed to their
(30:05):
limits to evolve their powers.
That's why you get to see shitwhere, okay, they have like new
forms, so it's almost like OnePiece where they're awakening
their devil fruit.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But I will say one of the biggest aspects into the
show, that it was something thatthe writer that he did say that
he had to kind of notnecessarily write off, but he
had to change it a little bit.
And even the manga showed howmuch that little plot point kind
of failed just a moment becauseit would have shortened the
series.
As your alter grows, you dielike.
(30:41):
As your alter evolves, itstarts sapping more of your life
from you.
I remember because at the endthey would start to deteriorate
as their alter powers weredeveloping exactly, but remember
, at the end of season one, orlike the end of, I have to say
season one again, sorry, butbecause nowadays like you watch
(31:02):
it online, it doesn't show it asseparate seasons.
From what I've seen, it showsit all as one full series.
But um, at the end of, like thefirst half, when cosmo first,
like really, um evolves, hisalter, his body permanently
changes.
But every time he evolves hisbody was supposed to change more
and more.
He was supposed to deteriorateand he was supposed to lose
feeling in his arm, like he wassupposed to be like, to the
(31:24):
point where until he altered hisarm he couldn't move it period,
like in his, in his human form.
He couldn't do anything becausethat's how badly evolving
permanently changed his body.
But then how would that haveworked out in the story?
So it didn't work out well.
So throughout most of season twowe don't see the deterioration.
(31:46):
It almost is like it comes to ahalt and that was a failed plot
point, but the writer admittedthat himself.
So he was like it just the waythat it started off progressing.
There was no way he was goingto make it to the end and it
just kind of wasn't fair.
So he had to hold it off untilthe final fight, when we finally
got a chance to see themactually deteriorate and start
(32:07):
really dying more Now as theystarted using more of their
evolved powers.
So that was one thing that I'mhappy.
In the final fight we reallygot to see that.
But that was a a failed plotpoint in the story.
But I'm happy that the writerhe admitted himself that he had
to halt that because he realizedhe couldn't do it properly.
Gotcha, okay, okay, but that'sall I got.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
But but, um, was there anything in general that
y'all want to talk about?
Because, honestly, I don't wantto take too much away from
anybody who may want to likere-experience the anime, like if
they're watching or listeningto this episode.
So, like, all I will say isthat check it out.
(32:53):
On Crunchyroll it's pretty good.
It still holds up to this day.
The only thing I just didn'tlike is how I just felt as
though the ending felt like acliffhanger to a degree, to
where, okay, who won the fightand what are they up to now?
(33:13):
That was the main thing.
But then again, once again, atthat point, I'm kind of used to
anime having these cliffhangerendings to where it could have
gone somewhere, but that's thebest we're going to get.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, I think that was on purpose too, so I feel on
that.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
MJ, did you have anything you want to add?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
on.
I will say one thing I did loveAbout.
It is At least from my memory.
Let me say that I don'tremember If there was any
Allusions to any romanticinterest, like there was no
romantic Interest, at least frommy memory.
Too much.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I think it was on blue-haired girl Shira's.
Yeah, her and Ryuho.
You like her and Ryuho yeah,that was the only thing but
Ryuho was so focused on and noteven so much like completing the
mission he was on his Batmangrind set.
Yeah, he's like we ain't gottime for love right now until we
handle this shit that we needto handle.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I like of love right now, until we uh handle this
shit that we need to handle.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
So I like how that was, like the back burner, you
know.
I like how that didn't become.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
No offense to giga.
Giga is one of my favoritegundams, but oh, I can't wait to
talk about that one.
No shit.
But um, the the love story inthere sometimes took a little,
in my opinion, to go away fromthe fight.
If it's gonna be about fighting, let it be about fighting, and
that is something that thisanime does perfectly got it.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Um, are you sure that's all you want to add?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
on to.
That is all I got.
Uh, we didn't spoil nothingfrom this whole show.
To be honest with you.
Like there's so many alters wewell, we talked about do with a
hammer and do with a car.
We didn't tell you how funny todo with the car was and you got
to watch it to see.
So, yeah, no, we didn't reallyspoil that before you guys.
Like this is a general, youknow, we like it.
There's some points that welike, some points that we hate.
(35:08):
When you watch it, you mightfeel the same, you might feel
different.
You know, please, definitelylet us know.
Like I said, we'll get thatblog up on the website.
And then, please, there's acomment section.
Let us know how you feel.
Please come on, comment onto it.
Tell us now so.
Zone-alliancecom.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
With that being said, we're going to go ahead and
close this out.
Coach, you got to sue MJ.
I do thank you for being on theshow and I thank you, the dear
listener, for tuning in.
Remember that we're going tohave more episodes coming out.
We're going to try to get moreepisodes added to Patreon first,
before it goes public, andwe're also not only working on
(35:48):
the website, but we're alsotrying to work on YouTube
channels where we're doingmultiple types of streams for
gaming, cooking, d&d, just awhole bunch of things in general
.
But until then, you stay nerdyand stay faithful.
Great things are coming.
We are going to go ahead andzone out of here.
So you have yourself a goodmorning, good afternoon and good
(36:11):
evening.
Take it easy.
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