July 24, 2025 • 50 mins
Ryan Coogler's vampire film "Sinners" delivers a perfect blend of horror, history, and Black cultural heritage that merits a 10/10 rating and multiple viewings. The movie features exceptional performances, especially from Michael B. Jordan playing twin brothers Smoke and Stack, whose distinct personalities make them feel like they're portrayed by different actors.
• Set in 1932 Mississippi, following World War I veteran twins who purchase a sawmill to create a juke joint
• Michael B. Jordan delivers a stellar dual performance as the cautious, business-minded Smoke and his twin brother Stack
• The film explores vampires as a metaphor for systematic oppression and cultural appropriation
• Features an incredible musical sequence where Sammy's guitar playing conjures spirits from different time periods and cultures
• Annie emerges as an unexpected MVP with her knowledge of fighting vampires
• The juke joint represents Black resilience, transforming a place with a dark history into a space for community
• The narrative jumps forward 60 years, showing the lasting impact of characters' choices
• Horror elements are handled with tasteful restraint, making the film more accessible and rewatchable
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I want to talk about sinners.
I didn't get around to watchingthe movie when it was in
theaters.
I didn't even know it was athing until it was already out
of the theaters and I washearing a lot of people saying
it was a great movie, greatmovie.
And then, as soon as I heardthat it was going to be on HBO
max on July 4th, I was like youknow what?
That's the plan.
(00:22):
I'm going to come home andwatch Sinners and see how it
stacks up, see if it's as goodas people say.
Honestly, it's right up therewith Django, unchained to where.
I'd watch it again.
I'd watch it again.
In fact, aside from somenitpicks that I may have about
(00:47):
the film, I'd say it's a 10 outof 10.
Excellent movie, great movie,like, for starters, the
characters, the usage of themusic, some of the symbolisms
and themes that was going onwith sinners.
It had a lot going on and had acertain charm that they
(01:09):
executed with it and I was justloving it.
Uh, and you know what?
I am so glad that I haveprofessor tuck on for this
review.
Uh, tuck, how are you feelingabout sinners?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
well.
I do agree.
It was a 10 out of 10.
In my book as well.
It was executed well.
Now I'm a little bit differentbecause I saw everything ahead
of time about it being releasedand whatnot.
So I was pretty good with it.
But I watched it three times.
I watched it initially.
You know the jump scenes got methe first time.
(01:47):
And then the second time Iwatched it with a nice young
lady.
And the third time I watched itwith another nice young lady
and pretended like I'd neverwatched it.
So it was a very good movie allthree times.
After I watched it the firsttime, I watched everything you
could possibly watch on YouTubeReviews, looking at some of the
stuff that happened in thebackground, some of the scenes.
(02:07):
Everything has a bit ofsymbolism in it and a bit of
historical context.
So I really enjoyed about that,even when you just said, uh,
july 4th, the release date forit to go on digital media, like
that's even culturallysignificant, because you know of
the 4th of July being FreedomDay or Alexander Hamilton Day,
(02:27):
as us in Broadway like to say.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So it's like what Frederick Frederick Douglass
said in the epic rap battles ofhistory, where you saw that one
on YouTube where it was himversus I think it was Jefferson
or something like you know.
Either way, it was like aboutfreeing the slaves and he was
talking about July 4th and I waslike freedom from who?
(02:54):
Though?
Yeah, I'm like, uh, hold on,july 4th happened.
You call it Independence Day,but, um, last I checked, slavery
was still a thing for at leasta couple, at least a hundred
more years.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It was sharecropping, which is the thing indentured
servitude.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Now we just call it unemployment no no, no Dark
humor.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It's funny how you say it's stacked up.
I like that, yeah.
What did you think of Michael BJordan and his performance?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Bro.
Okay, listen, I almost thoughtit was two different people.
I almost thought it was twodifferent people, especially
with Stack, where his hat wastilted down to where you
couldn't really see his facethat much.
So I know there was like a bodydouble involved, but I swear to
God that it almost felt liketwo different people at the time
(04:05):
.
But it's like smoking stackOkay, smoke is more like that.
No nonsense.
Standing on business, reasonablycautious type dude, like how he
got that teenage girl to watchhis truck and, make sure you
know, blow the horn If somebodytrying to fuck with my truck and
(04:26):
okay, somebody will fuck withthe truck and he showed up and
was about to blast on and thenhe was like whoa, hold on, I
didn't know this was your truck,I didn't know.
I'm like okay, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, okay, okay.
And then shot his buddy.
I was like whoa, what you dothat for?
I'm like, hey man, I can't havepeople going around saying that
, uh, y'all almost lifted fromthe twins and didn't have a
limited on proving like I gottamake a, I gotta make an example
(04:50):
out of y'all like, even thoughwe cool, I know you, I rock with
you, but hey, you got to set anexample.
My boy, yeah, let these streetsknow.
But yeah, like 1932, identicaltwin Brothers, world War I
Veterans smoking stack more, ortheir real name is Elijah and
Elias more, which could be Likea reference to Elias and Elijah
(05:14):
from biblical times.
After years Of spent of beingwith the Chicago outfit, or you
can say the Mafia mob, whatevercase may be, they used this
money that they stole fromgangsters to buy this sawmill
from this racist landowner namedhogwood, to start a juke joint,
um, back in um, mississippi,because you know they're trying
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to settle down.
You know like lay low, cool offand whatnot.
And then he was gonna, theywere gonna get uh, their cousin
sammy, this aspiring guitarist,to join them, even though his
father is like, oh, don't youplay that blues music, that's
for the devil.
And that's the main thing aboutthis film when his music, oh,
(05:55):
bro Bro, that musical numberthat he did in the juke joint,
it was like a culturalsmorgasbord to where uh, hold on
.
I got in my notes here thatessentially sammy's music was
conjuring spirits, representingdifferent time periods and
(06:16):
cultures.
Like you had zulu dancers, youhad futuristic musicians, 70s
djs, b-boys, west african griots, uh, cali dancers, chinese
kongku and monkey kingperformers, like it was like a
whole bunch going on, but ofcourse that also invited the
vampires.
(06:36):
But the crazy thing is it's notuntil like halfway into the
movie that you find out that allthis shit was connected anyways
.
Like you would think like, okay, let me slow down and say this
horror movies is not my normalbag, not that, oh, horror movies
, scary.
No, it's because horror moviesusually play out so predictable
(06:57):
that I'm like, ah man, like youknow, you know how some victims
just be doing some dumb shit.
I'm like, bro, see, if that wasme, like, but that's the thing
With Smoke, he was cautiousenough to where he was like that
counteractive, like you know,he's the guy that I would be if
I was like, uh, if you seemsuspicious, like, nah, you know
(07:20):
what, go on where you came from.
Just go on where you came from,just going where you came from,
and like it could have, thewhole plot would have played out
very easily.
But some folks were justlowering their guard and kind of
falling.
For you know, with mary, uhgoing up to him and like that
kind of started it all, uh, butyeah, like a whole bunch of shit
(07:43):
going down and it just gotcrazy.
Like now, just some context now, mary.
She's like this white passinggirl to where she has a black
father or grandfather, like someof the relatives, but it's like
(08:04):
she's white Enough to say that.
Oh well, if you didn't sayanything, I will Just continue
saying that you were white, butlike yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
And then, like Stack has, like some History with her,
but he left Her behind becausehe just wanted to protect her.
Meanwhile, smoke had thisestranged wife, annie by the way
, annie is like a sleeper mvp.
She knew exactly what to dowhen she was going down, like
you know, with her hoodoo andwhatnot, to her.
(08:36):
Like, oh, she thought it was ahate at first, but then she
realized it was a vampire anddon't worry, I got pickled
garlic juice and whatever elsewe need to fight off these
vampires.
Like she was like the sweepermvp, because without her that
shit would have went down waydifferently.
Like they wouldn't have beenprepared as prepared as they uh
were.
Like.
The fact of the matter is thateven smoking stats said
(08:58):
themselves that, oh shit, weforgot our guns, um, our truck,
um, with the guns back in theplace, because we thought we
didn't need it, or they juststraight up forgot to um bring
it.
Like uh smoke told stack toremind him and stack was like,
oh well, shit, I forgot, but uh,it wouldn't matter anyways,
because, as you've seen, when uhsmoke tried to kill mary one
(09:19):
after she turned and she justgot up like it was nothing, so
it wouldn't matter anyways.
But still, though, like I likehow in this one, in this movie,
they did a lot of things that Ido like, but one, some things
that had me raising an eyebrow,is like, for instance, mary
(09:40):
could have killed them all ifshe wanted to, but instead she
just pushed smoke out the wayand just ran out.
I'm like why, like you'realready in the building, um
stack and um near end, he couldhave killed smoke, because you
know he got turned by mary andyou know a whole domino effect.
Uh, if you've seen the movie,you already know, but I'm just
(10:02):
saying like stack had anopportunity to kill smoke, but
he didn't go for it for somereason.
So it's not just smoke, thatspare stack, because you know
that's the one person that hecouldn't kill, but stack let
smoke go, like I don't know why.
Like he was like right thereready to chomp on him, but he
just didn't commit to it it'shis brother man yeah, I know
like I get it but I get it.
(10:23):
But at the same time it justfeels like bro, like y'all just
not staying on business, likefor instance with Annie, like
okay, stack bit Annie and youknow the deal with Smoke and
Annie to where, if anythinghappened to Annie, you gotta put
her out of her misery beforeshe turns.
And Smoke did that, but Stackand Mary could have still went
(10:46):
on with the tech.
Why y'all running away likestand on business, damn no, it's
because you know what.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
What was shown pretty much is that even though they
vampires and you know they heldto certain stuff that they got
to do they also have a bit offree will as well yeah, so they,
they, when you, when you attackyour friend like you, feel so
bad about it.
Like you know, to scurry awaywould be the right call in the
movie yeah, okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I'm just like I don't know if the whole point was to
bite them and convert themanyways, like just you know,
just like how uh stat caughtannie guard down.
Like I don't know, maybe that'sjust me, that's why I'm like it
just didn't feel efficientenough.
But I'm just nitpicking.
(11:34):
For the most part, I stillthink the movie was excellent
with the way they carried it out, like, especially at the ending
, where, after the oh anotherthing that I didn't like Okay, I
like remick as a villain, yeah,but the one thing that pissed
me off is that he spent way toomuch time monologuing with sammy
at the end, when he was justchomped at him and got it over
(11:56):
with, but like I mean, I alwayswant to do that yeah, it's like
I get it for the sake of youknow the main, because, keep in
mind, sammy is the real maincharacter in this movie.
He's the real main character,like smoking stack.
They're like the breakoutcharacters that you're supposed
to like fall in love with, buthe's the main character.
Keep that in mind.
But I know the protagonist issupposed to win in this
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situation and I'm happy forSammy, like I'm not really
complaining, and I'm happy forSammy, like I'm not really
complaining.
It's just one of those clicheswhere I'm like, bro, like you
spending way too much timetalking to him, you just got it
over with already, but you gavehim enough time to like grab
that steak.
Well, really, first it was theguitar and then he like slammed
(12:39):
into his face and then it waslike kind of sizzling and
whatnot.
And then he got mad and slicedhis face and I'm like, all right
, check this out, bro, like I'mgonna stop playing with you and
just go ahead and bite you.
But then, uh, smoke came upbehind, stabbed him with the
steak and then everybody elsewas feeling that pain too as
well, and it was at the perfecttime for the sun to rise and
(13:02):
damn near everybody was likebeing burned um from the sun and
whatnot, except for stack andmary, to where the deal with
smoke was as long as they leavesammy alone, stack and mary
could just fuck off somewhere.
And they just been around forlike 90, so years up to like the
(13:24):
90s, where, uh, well, no, 60years, because 1932 they flash
forward to like 60 years.
So it's been like the 90s okay,but uh, as long as they leave
them alone, then Moe just letthem go.
But um, unfortunately, here'swhere all this tied together, to
where, uh, hogwood and Remickhad this deal going on to where,
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either way, I like how this isone of those smart things to
where you would think that atthe point where they found out
they were vampires, all theygotta do is just stay in the um
juke joint, right.
But if they did that, hogwoodand his boys was showing up and
blasting on him anyway.
So it was like a damn if you dodamn, you don't situation.
So I was like, okay, to be fair, I kind of understand why y'all
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couldn't just run off, but uh,it was also kind of crazy how,
like, those three vampires willactually five, because you know
they have had Mary Ann Stack atthat point, and also Cornbread
too.
So six, so like those six, yeah, you know, like hey, you want
(14:34):
to let me in.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He wanted his money man.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, he was like come on, give me that money and
then tried to bite him and shit.
But like that's the funny thing, like the whole let me in.
Uh cliche that vampires have.
Now I'm gonna try to hold mynausea for this, what's up?
Okay, this is one of thosethings where you know what,
(15:01):
perhaps I treated detroit likevampire too harshly because I've
never heard Edward Cole or anyof those motherfuckers talk
about hey, I need y'all to letme in.
Nah, fuck all that.
They want to go in there.
Man, edward was like fuckingsneaking into Bella's bedroom
whenever the fuck he wanted to.
So I'm like I'll give them thatmuch credit, like at least they
know how to enter a fuckingbuilding while I oh I can't do
(15:22):
anything about it.
So they let me in.
I'm like, man, get the fuck outhere.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Super powerful monsters need permission to go
into a building to kill somebodyman, it was that way on my
favorite vampire series suck itor true blood.
Yeah, that's how it was on trueblood too.
So you, you know it's a commontrope.
But yeah, it didn't do it inthe Twilight series, in the
(15:47):
movies, nor the books.
So I actually just re-watchedthe Twilight series too Before
it went away on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh yeah, that's right , they kind of like to hop on.
Is it still free on YouTube?
I think it's still free onYouTube.
I don't know.
I think it's still free onYouTube.
I don't know, I need to check.
But uh, you know what that gotme thinking.
At some point we definitelyneed to Review True Blood and
Buffy, the Vampire Slayer forsure, supernatural and some
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others.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, I don't even really like vampires.
I'm team werewolf, honestly,but honestly, bro, I don't like
how like vampires.
I'm team werewolf, honestly,but honestly, bro, I don't like
how Twilight did werewolves.
Well, werewolves are like to apoint to where vampires gotta
come correct when they go arounda werewolf.
You know what I'm saying.
If it wasn't for that pack,then Sam and Jacob and the
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werewolf pack would have beentowards Cullen.
But my whole thing was likewith Jacob, specifically to
where, like ever since you know,he got friends on and Bella got
married, like he just was beingdown bad, like to a point to
where you're imprinting on ababy.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I'm like, uh, dog, uh , hey, look bro look, I don't
know, but I couldn't be nowerewolf bro.
I gotta be a vampire, I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't like hair like that.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That's too much hair.
You know what I mean.
You gotta shave every fiveminutes Like, and then I'll take
that over.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I'm not an outside person.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I'm an inside person.
I'd rather be in the house liketill dark and then even if I'm
like Blade and I be a daywalker,I mean that's still pretty cool
.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I don't know, man, like I would take the setting
over.
I have to kill people or be avegetarian vampire like the
Cullens and be like I got to goaround.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, you know what?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
what I gotta go on a hunting trip, I'll be right back
like I gotta see a boat vampirethough.
Okay, you know what I don'tknow, like because you know the
immortality and shit is like.
Okay, for some reason theyalways got treasure, like bro I
was uh, no, no, no, hold on.
I watched dark shadows right andit was on the band.
Okay, keep in mind that beforehe even became a vampire he
already came from money.
But it's just that common tropewhere it seemed like every time
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you deal with a vampire withthat frilly dressing that they
be doing, it's like, yeah, youcan tell you got money, like you
got like gold doubloonssomewhere, and oh, remick with
the fucking gold.
Yeah, you can tell you gotmoney Like you got like gold
doubloons somewhere, and oh,Remick with the fucking gold
doubloons.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, you know.
Let's just say you know there'ssome.
There's some old families inthe US, right, they don't know
some of the richest families.
We'll just use one of the mostpopular ones.
Let's say the Rothschild.
What if that whole family isjust vampires?
You know what I mean Like?
And let's just say somebody putthe Rothschild what if that
whole family is just vampires?
You know what I mean Like.
And let's just say somebody puta stock into McDonald's in the
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50s, like, you know what I meanLike.
Or just put one Bitcoin in in1983.
Like it's old, right, like.
That's how I mean.
As long as they last longenough, they'll know what to
invest in and they'll just berich filthy rich for no reason.
And you know you can spend allyour money.
Or you could just be broke fora hundred years.
(19:13):
What's a hundred years beingbroke and then being rich the
rest of your uh, eternal life?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
because here's the crazy thing about that.
You would think, withimmortality, like it really
depends on the person, like itdepends on your mentality, like,
if you don't mind the fact that, oh well, it's funny because
twilight uh explored thissituation to where, yeah, you're
a vampire but you have topretty much watch everyone you
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grew up with die off, and theneverybody who's born way after
you you're watching them die off.
You're on this earth forhundreds of years.
You really can't.
At that point you'll be superdetached to people because like
and well, you know, by the time,uh, you know, 100 years for you
(20:02):
is more like 10 days for me.
At this point it's like Freerunto where she's an elf and she's
been around for like a thousandyears or so, but she has like
this weird relationship withtime to where 100 years for her
just feels like last month orsomething like that.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, just like that actually.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
So it'll be like, like you have to be like super
detached from people, um, to getthat immortality, because then
you won't even care, uh, howmany people are born and die, uh
, after you, uh, well, not afteryou, uh before you.
And it's like kind of hauntingin a way, to where, like I just
can't imagine the fact that,yeah, I'm going to survive
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before way after all, my familymembers and all my friends die
off, but I'm still here.
I don't know man Like it, justsee.
That's why I like that endingwith Smokes, where he fought off
Hogwood and his men and like hekilled just about all of them
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except Hogwood.
He was like still alive forjust a moment.
And then Smoke with that fatalwound, like he was just alive
for just a quick moment to seeAnnie and that infant child that
they lost a while back, and hesaw them.
And then, honestly, if I wasHogwood I wouldn't have said
anything, bro, like it was likejust imagine, like if Hogwood
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hadn't said anything he mighthave crawled away and lived and
got himself patched up, but hewas like, hey, man, I can give
you money.
And then Smoke looked at himlike, oh shit, I forgot about
you.
He just started blasting on himbefore he passed on as well.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, it was such a good movie.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
But yeah, it's like if there is an afterlife, I'm
like, damn, like I'm reallychoosing staying on this mortal
coil Well, more like immortalcoil.
Like I'm just staying on thismortal coil, well, more like
immortal coil.
Like I'm just staying on thisearthly plane, just living it up
(22:13):
, never dying, as long as I'm atleast like chomping on
something Like a human orsomething like that.
I guess I'll live on for aslong as I can, but like I don't
know you gotta have a moral codeman.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
You gotta be like sort of like Dexter, and I would
only kill like serial killersor people that hurt people.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Or like uh well, I want to say Hannibal Lecter, but
like didn't he kill like someinnocent people too?
Yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah,and ate.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, yeah, and use their skin To make lamps.
A bowl war Crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
But yeah, I guess you gotta be like an ethical killer
For that to even work out.
But I don't know, like, I guessI would still choose to be a
werewolf because, like, ifanything, if I'm going to die, I
might as well die on my ownterms, if I can.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
You wouldn't be able to die on your own terms.
You'd die on the pet leaderterms.
If you're a werewolf, you don'thave independency.
You have to be controlled bywhatever the pet leader say.
So if the alpha say you do this, you do that, you don't have
any freedom.
So unless you're the alpha likeI mean it really ain't.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I was about to say hold on, like that's assuming
that I'm not the alpha.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, if you're the alpha, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
If you're not the alpha, ugh, if you're not the
alpha, nah see, my whole thingis.
I got too much pride to beAnything else.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
But then alphas fall under a team.
So, just like with the vampiresVampires have a vampire team
but they pretty much have theirindependency.
So as a vampire you followspecific rules.
But the rules is just like Makesure nobody don't know we exist
as a whole.
Little skirmishes is cool, butmake sure nobody as a whole find
out our existence.
Like that's cool with me, sure,I'm over here chilling anyway.
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And then like it's justsomething that I, like you know
I'm a romantic person, so I justwant to be with one person for
eternal.
Like I get to be with you foreons.
Like that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I mean, yeah, it's like, for some reason, it seems
like the lady do like vampiresmore.
You know just something aboutthe way they the way a vampire
just spend their days likelearning how to charm a bitch
you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
yeah, you know, let me use my charm skills.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, they'll be like saying, oh yeah, I read a lot
of books.
I read like shit, like socratesand uh, what's that?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
marcus aurelius and whatnot, you know not knowing
that I grew up with them.
Yeah, not knowing that I grewup with him.
Yeah, over there trying to talkto 30-year-olds my boy, you is
3,500.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
But yeah, like I don't, I don't know, that's just
a tough sell for me.
I mean, like I see, like withSammy, to where, even at the
ending to where Stack and Marywas, like I see, like with Sammy
to where, even at the ending,to where Stack and Mary was,
like suggesting, hey, yo, likeyou don't have much time left,
like you sure you don't want todo this, like you get to live
(25:36):
wherever.
I mean, yeah, you're going tomiss the sun, but like, hey, you
get to stick around for as longas you want to make music and
whatnot.
All you got to make music andwhatnot.
All you gotta do is theoccasional chomp, chomp on
somebody.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yup, what did you think of?
Well, I know you said what youthink of, but what do you think
of Sammy as a whole?
And then, like Grace forruining man?
Grace made me so mad.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, like come on in and you better know what.
And then everybody was sittingthere like man, what you do that
for oh god no, I I kind of getit because you know they bit her
uh husband boat and they werethreatened to kill lisa back at
home.
So I'm like I kind of get that.
She was like emotionallyvulnerable and charged by my egg
(26:27):
dog like fuck that no, no,that's what I'm saying.
Like, no, like you, we get whereyou're coming from like dog,
like they ain't really goinganywhere.
If anything, they're justtrying to goad you into, either
letting them in, or you come outthere and try to face them,
because you're too mad to eventhink straight and I'm like
you're just giving them whatthey want, right, like they
(26:49):
probably wouldn't even bother.
Like, come on, dog.
Like think about it, likethey're gonna go out of their
way to I mean, they probablywould have anyways at some point
.
But like, are you really sayingthat they would like, okay, let
me be right back.
Like we'll be right back on, goget your daughter and then
we'll come back.
No, no, no, they're just tryingto bait you out or convince you
(27:12):
to let them in, and you know itworked like, obviously like bro
, like, don't let them distractyou.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
They they obviously not leaving the area.
They stopped soon to leavemultiple times.
They ain't trying to leave thearea, don't let them go during
today, but she just was trippingbro.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Oh, bro, she made me so mad.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
But, oh, sammy, sammy , Okay, okay, okay, alright now
Him being like a young talent,like he's, like you know,
innocent for the most part.
But here's the funny thing,here's the whole reason why the
movie is called Sinners, becausein actuality, whether you like
it or not, we're all sinners,like we all kinda flew away from
(27:59):
God's grace at some point, likewe probably said or did some
things that we may regret.
But I think ultimately it'sabout how you take
responsibility for your sins.
Now, with sammy, the wholething, with him, especially his
father, to where, um, his fatherbelieved that oh, uh, that
blues music for the devil anddon't sign your soul away.
(28:23):
And the funny thing is Sammy andhis music.
It was kind of influenced byCharlie Patton and the
introduction of characters likeDelta Slim and Pearlene, where
there was the Delta something,the Delta Blues music.
(28:48):
That's right, right, right, uh,essentially, with this it's like
it's a symbolism of the churchat the significance of delta
blues music as devil's music andhow characters like sammy draw
inspiration from real lifefigures like robert johnson to
where you know, uh, making musicthat could call on spirits,
(29:09):
whether it's good or bad, asyou've seen, when he made that
performance and that attractedthe attention of Remick and the
vampires.
So even after knowing all thatand you saw how it was like a
immediate risk kind of thing, towhere the movie started off at
the ending.
But then it was because you hadto like understand how they got
(29:31):
to that ending.
And then by the time you got tothe ending it's like put the
guitar down, son, put it downand give your life to the lord
and then samuel like, nah, Iain't gonna do, I ain't going
for that fam.
He drove, drove off with thatguitar, that last piece of
guitar right in his hand.
By the way, I found it funnyhow Sammy thought it was the
(29:55):
guitar of a famous person.
Charlie Patton and Smoke waslike man ain't.
No, charlie Patton, that wasfrom my daddy.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Charlie Patton was the was from my daddy.
Charlie Patton was the fatherof Delta Blues, which is
portrayed in the movie.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Right, right, and it was just crazy.
I was like, okay, he was just ayoung guy that was just getting
mixed up in some shit to wherehe probably well the music part
is understandable because, likeyou know, where he probably well
the music part isunderstandable because, like you
know, he was just playing musicbut getting involved with
smoking stack.
(30:32):
I'm like, okay, even thoughthey're not trying to get him in
trouble, so to speak, it's more.
The whole point is that it'sthem, with their trouble past,
having influence over sammy,because, keep in mind, they came
from the chicago outfit andthey just wanted to like, get
(30:53):
away from all that shit.
But notice how, from chicago tomississippi is a representation
of what happened with the greatmigration way back then, with
that's why there were likechinese people like uh, grace
and beau and lisa, to where itwas like chinese, japanese, uh,
immigrants and whatnot in thisone spot.
(31:14):
So it kind of everything kindof made sense in a way.
So I appreciate that film forthat.
But they just want, uh, makesure that sam Sammy doesn't get
into any trouble, and gettingmixed up with blues music,
that's what gets him intotrouble, you know, because
you're just inviting bad spiritson you and despite all that,
(31:43):
the blues music did corrupt him.
It is more like you know howthey say the brightest flame
attract the most moths.
That's pretty much what it is.
That's all it was.
It's like, yeah, there's goingto be some people, whether it's
good or bad, that's going toshow up for you.
But it didn't corrupt him as aperson.
If anything, the only sinninghe was doing was getting some
(32:07):
nookie.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
You know, I understand you can rob trains
and banks, but you can't robthis pussy.
For a night I was like I wouldhave folded like origami right
there, man, I mean.
I kind of look good.
I'm like yeah, yeah, man, Imean I kind of good, I'm like
(32:29):
yeah, yeah, yeah, All right,let's go.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Oh, can I also mention I like how tasteful the
turning was.
Like, yeah, half the time youdidn't even actually see them
getting turned.
It was more like implied that,yeah, the vampires got them too.
Was more like imply that, yeah,uh, the vampires got them too.
But even when you do seesomebody getting bitten, it's
(32:52):
like it it didn't.
It wasn't as gruesome like thewalking dead.
To where they make you watch allthat shit.
Like, uh, how, um, tyler jameswilliams, uh, when he had like a
little moment in that in thatseries, to where, when the
zombies got him bro, it was likeit wasn't enough.
(33:15):
To where it was implied thatthe that the zombies got to him
they had his ass up on thatglass and they made you watch as
they like ripped his jawlineout and everything.
Like they made you watch him inagony and shit getting ripped
to shreds and what not.
(33:36):
And I'm like, god damn, like ifI ever watch the Walking Dead
all over again, some parts aregonna be a tough watch.
But with Sam, I like how cleanthey did it to where it makes
the movie rewatchable in thatsense.
To where, like, okay, don't letthe gruesome killing derail you
(33:57):
from the point that we're tryingto make with this film or it's
like the killing it wasn't okay.
It's a vampire horror film soyeah, they're gonna be vampires
biting people, but there's moreto it than that and we kind of
want to have that replay value.
If that's what they were goingfor, I appreciate for that,
because I'm like not to say that, oh, I was like scared of the
(34:18):
killing.
It's just more like I'm justhoping that it's one of those
things where I'm like, okay, youknow what, it was so intense
that sometimes you only need towatch it once and you're like
you know what I'm good.
For instance, that firstepisode of Goblin Slayer, to
where I'm like you know what I'mgood.
I remember that first episodewell enough.
(34:40):
To where I'm like you know what, skip to episode two, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
That was crazy.
I was not expecting that.
Like you know, I thought thehero was gonna save today.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Like you know well, he came a little too late for
one girl.
Yeah, yeah, it was.
Ah on the first episode, likeyou, just don't, well of course.
Now hold on now.
Some series Do need that hookto grip people Into it.
(35:13):
I'm like see, because of thatscene.
That's why Goblin Slayer Is asinfamous as it is.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
That's a real revealer.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, I was just gonna mention that too.
How, like episode 2, I like,whoa damn, I'm still mad at
Kogagazu for asking me hey, doyou think she deserved it?
I'm like, what Did she deserveit?
No, bro, bro, that's how he'ssetting me up for something,
because I'm like bro, I'm notgoing to say she deserved it,
(35:47):
but I don't feel bad for herbecause I'm like bro.
I'm not gonna say she deserve it, but I don't feel I don't feel
bad for her because of she was atotal bitch to the main
character.
I don't feel bad for her, butdid she deserve it?
I can't see that.
I can't see that though yo, allright.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So I want to unpack the layers.
So it's a lot of themes andsymbolism that's in it.
I'm gonna go through a few ofthem and then I want you to tell
me if you recognize it or not.
So, racism as a monster Alright, this is the most prominent
theme.
The white clan affiliatedvampires are not just generic
monsters.
They're metaphors forsystematic oppression, trauma
(36:22):
and then the white personneltrying to exploit black music
right and there was, like some Ilike how with it.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
They were like you can.
It was implied that it wasgoing to be some racism and
cultural appropriation going on,but they played it so
differently to where, like it'simplied, but not like it's not
so on the nose, that it'sclearly that's what the movie is
about.
At least it's not like, uh,that one movie that I was so
disappointed by the premiseabout that I didn't even bother
(36:56):
watching it because it felt likeit was a insult to the black
community.
It was that one movie that, uh,it was supposed to be harry pot
Potter for black people.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, I think it was like the League or the Society
of.
Magical Negroes yeah like itwas something like that where
I'm like bro, no, no, like y'allhad me at Harry Potter for
black people, but once you foundout about the premise, like
uh-uh, uh-uh, like, like y'allmaking it too on the nose, about
(37:29):
to a point where like I thoughtit was going to be Harry Potter
for blacks, just like you saidI was like oh, they got the
uniforms and everything yeah,but then it turns out, oh yeah,
like we're, uh, our main purposeis to make white people
comfortable.
I'm like what?
Our main purpose?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
is to make white people comfortable.
I'm like what Agreed?
Here's the next one.
This is pretty on the nose, butthe power of black music, it's
a central theme of it, where,let's say, the guitar I know we
mentioned about that, it wascharlie patton's guitar, but it
symbolizes the power of blackmusic, the soft uplift, but it
(38:15):
also attracts unwanted attentionright.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And also I want to add on to it where, ever since
after that, you notice how themusic numbers were more electric
guitar Like, especially when,like, the vampires are getting
that edge and it sounds likesome devil music started playing
Like doom, doom, doom, thattype of shit, where it's like,
okay, it just feels kind of moremodernized now that it was in
(38:41):
the second half, but that'smainly because, you know, with
black people and white irish,you know, other people coming in
trying to mingle with the black, it's almost like the music was
like the cultural of it alljust meshing together to where,
(39:03):
yeah, it was kind of like bluesmusic but it was like with some
electric guitar or whatnot.
So you can tell that as themovie progressed that the
different genre of music wasmeshing together.
Yeah, so on a musical level Idid like how the music numbers
fit the progression of the film.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Okay, I agree.
And then you know the scenewhere it was like
intergenerational connection,all the different scenes, right?
So that emphasizes thecontinuous evolving power and
resilience of Black musicalheritage.
So essentially it showed Blackmusic being the epitome of music
from the 30s until today.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Bro, we're not just the epitome, we're the
forerunners.
Like it started because of us,music was because of us Started
with the ritual dancing forAfricans.
Yeah, yeah, so I'm not evensurprised.
The ritual dancing for Africans?
Yeah, yeah, so I'm not evensurprised.
The way they carried out, bro,I'm just Let me clap for Ryan
(40:15):
Coogler, because the way hecarried out this film, like just
from the music to the characterarcs, to the symbolism and
everything like this is why Iwould say, despite my nitpicks
from the horror film pointbecause that's just thing, it's
like it's just me just having apersonal gripe with horror films
, but taking that out of theequation this was a great movie
(40:39):
because it had a lot going on.
Like you say, it had layers.
To where it's like, okay, Iappreciate what you're doing.
To where it's like it's not ascut and dry as black people
getting slaughtered by a vampireand somebody smart enough to
outsmart them.
No, no, no, it's more likethere was more going on as you
(41:00):
pay attention to each characterand what they were doing, what
they were saying, all thedifferent references and whatnot
getting involved so damn, Ialmost, I almost wish um mira
jane was on for this one uh,yeah, I agree, see, I know she
got some good takes on it.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I got two more to go through.
So the vampires drawn to music.
So notice, the vampires was alldrawn to music, especially by
like Sammy and the way that theypierce through time.
It connects through like awhite appropriation and
fetishizing a black culture.
So essentially they just drawnto black culture.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yes, bro, like um, it's crazy how, even to this day
, like, for instance, we gotwhite folks trying to get their
hair and dress like are wearingclothing styles that's similar
to ours like hell.
Like it's crazy how we got awhole bunch of white people like
(42:05):
they don't want to do it in anoffensive way.
But it just feels weird whenyour white friends come up to
you and be like hey, yo bro,like we've been cool for like a
hot minute, right.
I'm like yeah, and I'm likelisten, like you know, I'm not
like that but like I was justwondering if you're okay, if I
could say it.
I'm like say what?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
You know the.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
N-word I'm like, bro, like I'm going to be honest
with you, like okay, I knowyou're not like that, so I'm
like, when it comes to N-wordpasses, you do realize that it's
more like a regional type thing, it's not universal.
(42:50):
Just because you have that oneblack friend like okay, he's not
really racist, though, Ithought it was okay for him to
say no, no, no, you gotta like,it's like you gotta get that
card stamped everywhere you go,like because I can't save you
from some dudes.
That's like okay, bro, no,that's just not cool.
I don't even like you like thatyou know.
(43:12):
So like I'll be careful withthat.
Like doesn't matter how cool youare, it's like you probably be
better off just avoiding you asmuch as you can, because like,
uh, it doesn't matter matter ifyou, it doesn't matter if you're
not a genuine racist, it's justthe more you get comfortable
(43:33):
saying it, the more it justseems like uh, uh, dog, like
you're getting a little toocomfortable saying it.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
So I'm telling people they can say whatever they feel
like, but there's an action andthere's an equal or opposite
react and uh yeah.
Yeah, you got it If they're notsaying why we, they better be
ready to get slapped.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Listen, I'll just put it to you like this you may
have freedom of speech, but youdon't have freedom of
consequences.
So you can say it if you wantto, but that's more like saying,
all right, for every time yousay it, I'm allowed to punch you
in the face one good time foreach time you say it.
(44:15):
So do you really want to gothere?
You want to.
You think it's worth it, but goahead.
You have one more thing.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, the last one is about community identity.
So notice the juke joint.
Black people always find a wayto commune and fellowship
together and one of those placeswas the juke joint.
Black people always found a wayto commune and fellowship
together and one of those placeswas the juke joint.
Now, when they first got to thejuke joint, bear in mind that
there was bloodstains on thefloor because that's the place
where they used the sawmill,where they used to chop up Black
people, nevertheless.
(44:45):
But Black people found a way tofind a place that's just for
them, even with the dark historybehind it, still finding a way
to come together and, uh, youknow, have a safe space to just
do right, I mean hey, today youknow you go to the, to the bar,
to the club.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
I'll find a place that's predominantly black,
because you know that's thecommunity that I rock with yeah,
like hell, some traditions,like you know how, the way we
picked apart a chicken and wemade gizzards and whatnot out of
chicken parts, like at first,the way we made food was mainly
(45:25):
for our survival because, like,we were probably given like
scraps and whatnot.
Uh, because, you know, we weremistreated very bad, but like we
took our pain and turned intopower and now we got to a point
to where, like uh I'm sorry, butlike I'm, now that I'm thinking
(45:46):
about it, it just came outfunny.
But like, see, our thing isnowadays we, nowadays we have
functions, we have cookoutsMeanwhile with white folks like
they can probably party prettyhard, but like you know, white
communities, hootin' nanny, itcan be fun.
(46:10):
But like, hey, bro, like ain'tnothing like sliding to the
function with the blackcommunity because, like, we know
how to get down.
But yeah, like community, yeah,because you know solidarity,
like we're all going through itat some, to some extent.
Like, say, for instance, itcould just be a matter of we're
(46:33):
just all trying to get our billspaid and we're just doing
whatever we can to get by.
Like you kind of understandthat it's like that's why it
just seemed like there's so muchlove in the community.
Well, even though social mediawant you to think otherwise,
where it just seemed like we'reboth stabbing each other in the
back but it really depends onwhat neck of the woods you're in
like there's community still,it's just you don't really hear
(46:58):
about that in social media thatmuch.
In fact, I would say thatsocial media kind of thrives on
drama, so it's like ifeverything was all good, then
it's not newsworthy.
So that's just the the mainthing.
That's why, with social media,like, just take what you see on
social media with a grain ofsalt, don't just completely
absorb and be on Italian because, like I want to say, we still
(47:23):
have some solidarity.
There's still the brotherhood,there's still the sisterhood.
It's just, it just getsovershadowed by bullshit.
Bullshit, like, especially whenit comes to us killing off our
own.
But outside of that, yeah, likeit's still.
(47:44):
Yeah, like we're building upbusinesses and whatnot, um,
getting people together, becausehey, remember what they say
where it's like, if you getabout the hood, the hood will
forget you.
So don't forget your village,don't forget where you came from
.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
The Red Bull continues.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
The movie is a solid 10 for you.
It was great all around theelements, the history, the
context, the accuracy and theeverything else, man.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Right, Like I said, I didn't have a whole lot to say
on it, but I just wanted to saythat Sinners is an excellent
film and I do regret not seeingit sooner.
But I just wanted to say thatcenters is an excellent film and
I do regret not seeing itsooner, but I'm glad that
actually got the got around towatching it, because with my
(48:41):
busy schedule nowadays workingtwo jobs like I'm not going to
have much time for anything.
Um, so that's why here on thezone podcast, we're going to be
slowing down the number ofepisodes being released or, at
the very least, we're going tobe planning in advance to where
we're going to be producingepisodes.
(49:01):
But you're probably not goingto see them till, like August or
whatnot.
That way it's like, OK, we'reputting stuff out, we're still
working on stuff, but sometimeswe need to work on things in
advance.
So that way, when we have itput out there, when we want them
put out, then we can take thattime to like focus on ourselves
(49:24):
or just have more time toprepare for other reviews.
So and also, you know, like Ijust said me working two jobs
now we probably not going to beputting out a whole lot of
episodes.
In fact, I do apologize that wehave been doing the nerdy news
in a while, but you know thingshave been happening and I just
(49:44):
wasn't on social media enough towhere I was catching all the
news.
So you could say that I'mplaying catch up with what's
been going on and we'll get backto the nerdy news, say around
August.
But yeah, that's all I have oneto say.
That's all I want to say aboutsinners 10 out of 10.
Like I said, I'll watch itagain.
(50:05):
Uh, Doug, you have anythingelse you want to add on before
it closes out?
Speaker 2 (50:10):
no, I'm good, I said everything I pretty much wanted
to say, but it's just a greatmovie.
If you haven't watched it, go.
It closes out.
No, I'm good, I said everythingI pretty much wanted to say,
but it's just a great movie.
If you haven't watched it, gocheck it out.
And if you have already watchedit, re-watch it.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, it's on HBO Max now.
Yeah, but you know what?
That is it from us.
Y'all go ahead and haveyourself a good morning, good
afternoon, good good evening andgood night, but ultimately,
take it easy.
Remember to stay nerdy and thatgreat things are coming.
Let's go ahead and zone out ofhere.
We're out.
I want to talk about sinners.
I didn't get around to watchingthe movie when it was in
theaters.
I didn't even know it was athing until it was already out
of the theaters and I washearing a lot of people saying
it was a great movie, greatmovie.
And then, as soon as I heardthat it was going to be on HBO
max on July 4th, I was like youknow what?
That's the plan.
(00:22):
I'm going to come home andwatch Sinners and see how it
stacks up, see if it's as goodas people say.
Honestly, it's right up therewith Django, unchained to where.
I'd watch it again.
I'd watch it again.
In fact, aside from somenitpicks that I may have about
(00:47):
the film, I'd say it's a 10 outof 10.
Excellent movie, great movie,like, for starters, the
characters, the usage of themusic, some of the symbolisms
and themes that was going onwith sinners.
It had a lot going on and had acertain charm that they
(01:09):
executed with it and I was justloving it.
Uh, and you know what?
I am so glad that I haveprofessor tuck on for this
review.
Uh, tuck, how are you feelingabout sinners?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
well.
I do agree.
It was a 10 out of 10.
In my book as well.
It was executed well.
Now I'm a little bit differentbecause I saw everything ahead
of time about it being releasedand whatnot.
So I was pretty good with it.
But I watched it three times.
I watched it initially.
You know the jump scenes got methe first time.
(01:47):
And then the second time Iwatched it with a nice young
lady.
And the third time I watched itwith another nice young lady
and pretended like I'd neverwatched it.
So it was a very good movie allthree times.
After I watched it the firsttime, I watched everything you
could possibly watch on YouTubeReviews, looking at some of the
stuff that happened in thebackground, some of the scenes.
(02:07):
Everything has a bit ofsymbolism in it and a bit of
historical context.
So I really enjoyed about that,even when you just said, uh,
july 4th, the release date forit to go on digital media, like
that's even culturallysignificant, because you know of
the 4th of July being FreedomDay or Alexander Hamilton Day,
(02:27):
as us in Broadway like to say.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So it's like what Frederick Frederick Douglass
said in the epic rap battles ofhistory, where you saw that one
on YouTube where it was himversus I think it was Jefferson
or something like you know.
Either way, it was like aboutfreeing the slaves and he was
talking about July 4th and I waslike freedom from who?
(02:54):
Though?
Yeah, I'm like, uh, hold on,july 4th happened.
You call it Independence Day,but, um, last I checked, slavery
was still a thing for at leasta couple, at least a hundred
more years.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It was sharecropping, which is the thing indentured
servitude.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Now we just call it unemployment no no, no Dark
humor.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It's funny how you say it's stacked up.
I like that, yeah.
What did you think of Michael BJordan and his performance?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Bro.
Okay, listen, I almost thoughtit was two different people.
I almost thought it was twodifferent people, especially
with Stack, where his hat wastilted down to where you
couldn't really see his facethat much.
So I know there was like a bodydouble involved, but I swear to
God that it almost felt liketwo different people at the time
(04:05):
.
But it's like smoking stackOkay, smoke is more like that.
No nonsense.
Standing on business, reasonablycautious type dude, like how he
got that teenage girl to watchhis truck and, make sure you
know, blow the horn If somebodytrying to fuck with my truck and
(04:26):
okay, somebody will fuck withthe truck and he showed up and
was about to blast on and thenhe was like whoa, hold on, I
didn't know this was your truck,I didn't know.
I'm like okay, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, okay, okay.
And then shot his buddy.
I was like whoa, what you dothat for?
I'm like, hey man, I can't havepeople going around saying that
, uh, y'all almost lifted fromthe twins and didn't have a
limited on proving like I gottamake a, I gotta make an example
(04:50):
out of y'all like, even thoughwe cool, I know you, I rock with
you, but hey, you got to set anexample.
My boy, yeah, let these streetsknow.
But yeah, like 1932, identicaltwin Brothers, world War I
Veterans smoking stack more, ortheir real name is Elijah and
Elias more, which could be Likea reference to Elias and Elijah
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from biblical times.
After years Of spent of beingwith the Chicago outfit, or you
can say the Mafia mob, whatevercase may be, they used this
money that they stole fromgangsters to buy this sawmill
from this racist landowner namedhogwood, to start a juke joint,
um, back in um, mississippi,because you know they're trying
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to settle down.
You know like lay low, cool offand whatnot.
And then he was gonna, theywere gonna get uh, their cousin
sammy, this aspiring guitarist,to join them, even though his
father is like, oh, don't youplay that blues music, that's
for the devil.
And that's the main thing aboutthis film when his music, oh,
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bro Bro, that musical numberthat he did in the juke joint,
it was like a culturalsmorgasbord to where uh, hold on
.
I got in my notes here thatessentially sammy's music was
conjuring spirits, representingdifferent time periods and
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cultures.
Like you had zulu dancers, youhad futuristic musicians, 70s
djs, b-boys, west african griots, uh, cali dancers, chinese
kongku and monkey kingperformers, like it was like a
whole bunch going on, but ofcourse that also invited the
vampires.
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But the crazy thing is it's notuntil like halfway into the
movie that you find out that allthis shit was connected anyways
.
Like you would think like, okay, let me slow down and say this
horror movies is not my normalbag, not that, oh, horror movies
, scary.
No, it's because horror moviesusually play out so predictable
(06:57):
that I'm like, ah man, like youknow, you know how some victims
just be doing some dumb shit.
I'm like, bro, see, if that wasme, like, but that's the thing
With Smoke, he was cautiousenough to where he was like that
counteractive, like you know,he's the guy that I would be if
I was like, uh, if you seemsuspicious, like, nah, you know
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what, go on where you came from.
Just go on where you came from,just going where you came from,
and like it could have, thewhole plot would have played out
very easily.
But some folks were justlowering their guard and kind of
falling.
For you know, with mary, uhgoing up to him and like that
kind of started it all, uh, butyeah, like a whole bunch of shit
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going down and it just gotcrazy.
Like now, just some context now, mary.
She's like this white passinggirl to where she has a black
father or grandfather, like someof the relatives, but it's like
(08:04):
she's white Enough to say that.
Oh well, if you didn't sayanything, I will Just continue
saying that you were white, butlike yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
And then, like Stack has, like some History with her,
but he left Her behind becausehe just wanted to protect her.
Meanwhile, smoke had thisestranged wife, annie by the way
, annie is like a sleeper mvp.
She knew exactly what to dowhen she was going down, like
you know, with her hoodoo andwhatnot, to her.
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Like, oh, she thought it was ahate at first, but then she
realized it was a vampire anddon't worry, I got pickled
garlic juice and whatever elsewe need to fight off these
vampires.
Like she was like the sweepermvp, because without her that
shit would have went down waydifferently.
Like they wouldn't have beenprepared as prepared as they uh
were.
Like.
The fact of the matter is thateven smoking stats said
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themselves that, oh shit, weforgot our guns, um, our truck,
um, with the guns back in theplace, because we thought we
didn't need it, or they juststraight up forgot to um bring
it.
Like uh smoke told stack toremind him and stack was like,
oh well, shit, I forgot, but uh,it wouldn't matter anyways,
because, as you've seen, when uhsmoke tried to kill mary one
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after she turned and she justgot up like it was nothing, so
it wouldn't matter anyways.
But still, though, like I likehow in this one, in this movie,
they did a lot of things that Ido like, but one, some things
that had me raising an eyebrow,is like, for instance, mary
(09:40):
could have killed them all ifshe wanted to, but instead she
just pushed smoke out the wayand just ran out.
I'm like why, like you'realready in the building, um
stack and um near end, he couldhave killed smoke, because you
know he got turned by mary andyou know a whole domino effect.
Uh, if you've seen the movie,you already know, but I'm just
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saying like stack had anopportunity to kill smoke, but
he didn't go for it for somereason.
So it's not just smoke, thatspare stack, because you know
that's the one person that hecouldn't kill, but stack let
smoke go, like I don't know why.
Like he was like right thereready to chomp on him, but he
just didn't commit to it it'shis brother man yeah, I know
like I get it but I get it.
(10:23):
But at the same time it justfeels like bro, like y'all just
not staying on business, likefor instance with Annie, like
okay, stack bit Annie and youknow the deal with Smoke and
Annie to where, if anythinghappened to Annie, you gotta put
her out of her misery beforeshe turns.
And Smoke did that, but Stackand Mary could have still went
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on with the tech.
Why y'all running away likestand on business, damn no, it's
because you know what.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
What was shown pretty much is that even though they
vampires and you know they heldto certain stuff that they got
to do they also have a bit offree will as well yeah, so they,
they, when you, when you attackyour friend like you, feel so
bad about it.
Like you know, to scurry awaywould be the right call in the
movie yeah, okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I'm just like I don't know if the whole point was to
bite them and convert themanyways, like just you know,
just like how uh stat caughtannie guard down.
Like I don't know, maybe that'sjust me, that's why I'm like it
just didn't feel efficientenough.
But I'm just nitpicking.
(11:34):
For the most part, I stillthink the movie was excellent
with the way they carried it out, like, especially at the ending
, where, after the oh anotherthing that I didn't like Okay, I
like remick as a villain, yeah,but the one thing that pissed
me off is that he spent way toomuch time monologuing with sammy
at the end, when he was justchomped at him and got it over
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with, but like I mean, I alwayswant to do that yeah, it's like
I get it for the sake of youknow the main, because, keep in
mind, sammy is the real maincharacter in this movie.
He's the real main character,like smoking stack.
They're like the breakoutcharacters that you're supposed
to like fall in love with, buthe's the main character.
Keep that in mind.
But I know the protagonist issupposed to win in this
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situation and I'm happy forSammy, like I'm not really
complaining, and I'm happy forSammy, like I'm not really
complaining.
It's just one of those clicheswhere I'm like, bro, like you
spending way too much timetalking to him, you just got it
over with already, but you gavehim enough time to like grab
that steak.
Well, really, first it was theguitar and then he like slammed
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into his face and then it waslike kind of sizzling and
whatnot.
And then he got mad and slicedhis face and I'm like, all right
, check this out, bro, like I'mgonna stop playing with you and
just go ahead and bite you.
But then, uh, smoke came upbehind, stabbed him with the
steak and then everybody elsewas feeling that pain too as
well, and it was at the perfecttime for the sun to rise and
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damn near everybody was likebeing burned um from the sun and
whatnot, except for stack andmary, to where the deal with
smoke was as long as they leavesammy alone, stack and mary
could just fuck off somewhere.
And they just been around forlike 90, so years up to like the
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90s, where, uh, well, no, 60years, because 1932 they flash
forward to like 60 years.
So it's been like the 90s okay,but uh, as long as they leave
them alone, then Moe just letthem go.
But um, unfortunately, here'swhere all this tied together, to
where, uh, hogwood and Remickhad this deal going on to where,
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either way, I like how this isone of those smart things to
where you would think that atthe point where they found out
they were vampires, all theygotta do is just stay in the um
juke joint, right.
But if they did that, hogwoodand his boys was showing up and
blasting on him anyway.
So it was like a damn if you dodamn, you don't situation.
So I was like, okay, to be fair, I kind of understand why y'all
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couldn't just run off, but uh,it was also kind of crazy how,
like, those three vampires willactually five, because you know
they have had Mary Ann Stack atthat point, and also Cornbread
too.
So six, so like those six, yeah, you know, like hey, you want
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to let me in.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He wanted his money man.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, he was like come on, give me that money and
then tried to bite him and shit.
But like that's the funny thing, like the whole let me in.
Uh cliche that vampires have.
Now I'm gonna try to hold mynausea for this, what's up?
Okay, this is one of thosethings where you know what,
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perhaps I treated detroit likevampire too harshly because I've
never heard Edward Cole or anyof those motherfuckers talk
about hey, I need y'all to letme in.
Nah, fuck all that.
They want to go in there.
Man, edward was like fuckingsneaking into Bella's bedroom
whenever the fuck he wanted to.
So I'm like I'll give them thatmuch credit, like at least they
know how to enter a fuckingbuilding while I oh I can't do
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anything about it.
So they let me in.
I'm like, man, get the fuck outhere.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Super powerful monsters need permission to go
into a building to kill somebodyman, it was that way on my
favorite vampire series suck itor true blood.
Yeah, that's how it was on trueblood too.
So you, you know it's a commontrope.
But yeah, it didn't do it inthe Twilight series, in the
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movies, nor the books.
So I actually just re-watchedthe Twilight series too Before
it went away on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh yeah, that's right , they kind of like to hop on.
Is it still free on YouTube?
I think it's still free onYouTube.
I don't know.
I think it's still free onYouTube.
I don't know, I need to check.
But uh, you know what that gotme thinking.
At some point we definitelyneed to Review True Blood and
Buffy, the Vampire Slayer forsure, supernatural and some
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others.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, I don't even really like vampires.
I'm team werewolf, honestly,but honestly, bro, I don't like
how like vampires.
I'm team werewolf, honestly,but honestly, bro, I don't like
how Twilight did werewolves.
Well, werewolves are like to apoint to where vampires gotta
come correct when they go arounda werewolf.
You know what I'm saying.
If it wasn't for that pack,then Sam and Jacob and the
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werewolf pack would have beentowards Cullen.
But my whole thing was likewith Jacob, specifically to
where, like ever since you know,he got friends on and Bella got
married, like he just was beingdown bad, like to a point to
where you're imprinting on ababy.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I'm like, uh, dog, uh , hey, look bro look, I don't
know, but I couldn't be nowerewolf bro.
I gotta be a vampire, I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't like hair like that.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That's too much hair.
You know what I mean.
You gotta shave every fiveminutes Like, and then I'll take
that over.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I'm not an outside person.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I'm an inside person.
I'd rather be in the house liketill dark and then even if I'm
like Blade and I be a daywalker,I mean that's still pretty cool
.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I don't know, man, like I would take the setting
over.
I have to kill people or be avegetarian vampire like the
Cullens and be like I got to goaround.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, you know what?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
what I gotta go on a hunting trip, I'll be right back
like I gotta see a boat vampirethough.
Okay, you know what I don'tknow, like because you know the
immortality and shit is like.
Okay, for some reason theyalways got treasure, like bro I
was uh, no, no, no, hold on.
I watched dark shadows right andit was on the band.
Okay, keep in mind that beforehe even became a vampire he
already came from money.
But it's just that common tropewhere it seemed like every time
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you deal with a vampire withthat frilly dressing that they
be doing, it's like, yeah, youcan tell you got money, like you
got like gold doubloonssomewhere, and oh, remick with
the fucking gold.
Yeah, you can tell you gotmoney Like you got like gold
doubloons somewhere, and oh,Remick with the fucking gold
doubloons.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, you know.
Let's just say you know there'ssome.
There's some old families inthe US, right, they don't know
some of the richest families.
We'll just use one of the mostpopular ones.
Let's say the Rothschild.
What if that whole family isjust vampires?
You know what I mean Like?
And let's just say somebody putthe Rothschild what if that
whole family is just vampires?
You know what I mean Like.
And let's just say somebody puta stock into McDonald's in the
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50s, like, you know what I meanLike.
Or just put one Bitcoin in in1983.
Like it's old, right, like.
That's how I mean.
As long as they last longenough, they'll know what to
invest in and they'll just berich filthy rich for no reason.
And you know you can spend allyour money.
Or you could just be broke fora hundred years.
(19:13):
What's a hundred years beingbroke and then being rich the
rest of your uh, eternal life?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
because here's the crazy thing about that.
You would think, withimmortality, like it really
depends on the person, like itdepends on your mentality, like,
if you don't mind the fact that, oh well, it's funny because
twilight uh explored thissituation to where, yeah, you're
a vampire but you have topretty much watch everyone you
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grew up with die off, and theneverybody who's born way after
you you're watching them die off.
You're on this earth forhundreds of years.
You really can't.
At that point you'll be superdetached to people because like
and well, you know, by the time,uh, you know, 100 years for you
(20:02):
is more like 10 days for me.
At this point it's like Freerunto where she's an elf and she's
been around for like a thousandyears or so, but she has like
this weird relationship withtime to where 100 years for her
just feels like last month orsomething like that.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, just like that actually.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
So it'll be like, like you have to be like super
detached from people, um, to getthat immortality, because then
you won't even care, uh, howmany people are born and die, uh
, after you, uh, well, not afteryou, uh before you.
And it's like kind of hauntingin a way, to where, like I just
can't imagine the fact that,yeah, I'm going to survive
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before way after all, my familymembers and all my friends die
off, but I'm still here.
I don't know man Like it, justsee.
That's why I like that endingwith Smokes, where he fought off
Hogwood and his men and like hekilled just about all of them
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except Hogwood.
He was like still alive forjust a moment.
And then Smoke with that fatalwound, like he was just alive
for just a quick moment to seeAnnie and that infant child that
they lost a while back, and hesaw them.
And then, honestly, if I wasHogwood I wouldn't have said
anything, bro, like it was likejust imagine, like if Hogwood
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hadn't said anything he mighthave crawled away and lived and
got himself patched up, but hewas like, hey, man, I can give
you money.
And then Smoke looked at himlike, oh shit, I forgot about
you.
He just started blasting on himbefore he passed on as well.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, it was such a good movie.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
But yeah, it's like if there is an afterlife, I'm
like, damn, like I'm reallychoosing staying on this mortal
coil Well, more like immortalcoil.
Like I'm just staying on thismortal coil, well, more like
immortal coil.
Like I'm just staying on thisearthly plane, just living it up
(22:13):
, never dying, as long as I'm atleast like chomping on
something Like a human orsomething like that.
I guess I'll live on for aslong as I can, but like I don't
know you gotta have a moral codeman.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
You gotta be like sort of like Dexter, and I would
only kill like serial killersor people that hurt people.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Or like uh well, I want to say Hannibal Lecter, but
like didn't he kill like someinnocent people too?
Yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah,and ate.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, yeah, and use their skin To make lamps.
A bowl war Crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
But yeah, I guess you gotta be like an ethical killer
For that to even work out.
But I don't know, like, I guessI would still choose to be a
werewolf because, like, ifanything, if I'm going to die, I
might as well die on my ownterms, if I can.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
You wouldn't be able to die on your own terms.
You'd die on the pet leaderterms.
If you're a werewolf, you don'thave independency.
You have to be controlled bywhatever the pet leader say.
So if the alpha say you do this, you do that, you don't have
any freedom.
So unless you're the alpha likeI mean it really ain't.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I was about to say hold on, like that's assuming
that I'm not the alpha.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, if you're the alpha, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
If you're not the alpha, ugh, if you're not the
alpha, nah see, my whole thingis.
I got too much pride to beAnything else.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
But then alphas fall under a team.
So, just like with the vampiresVampires have a vampire team
but they pretty much have theirindependency.
So as a vampire you followspecific rules.
But the rules is just like Makesure nobody don't know we exist
as a whole.
Little skirmishes is cool, butmake sure nobody as a whole find
out our existence.
Like that's cool with me, sure,I'm over here chilling anyway.
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And then like it's justsomething that I, like you know
I'm a romantic person, so I justwant to be with one person for
eternal.
Like I get to be with you foreons.
Like that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I mean, yeah, it's like, for some reason, it seems
like the lady do like vampiresmore.
You know just something aboutthe way they the way a vampire
just spend their days likelearning how to charm a bitch
you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
yeah, you know, let me use my charm skills.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, they'll be like saying, oh yeah, I read a lot
of books.
I read like shit, like socratesand uh, what's that?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
marcus aurelius and whatnot, you know not knowing
that I grew up with them.
Yeah, not knowing that I grewup with him.
Yeah, over there trying to talkto 30-year-olds my boy, you is
3,500.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
But yeah, like I don't, I don't know, that's just
a tough sell for me.
I mean, like I see, like withSammy, to where, even at the
ending to where Stack and Marywas, like I see, like with Sammy
to where, even at the ending,to where Stack and Mary was,
like suggesting, hey, yo, likeyou don't have much time left,
like you sure you don't want todo this, like you get to live
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wherever.
I mean, yeah, you're going tomiss the sun, but like, hey, you
get to stick around for as longas you want to make music and
whatnot.
All you got to make music andwhatnot.
All you gotta do is theoccasional chomp, chomp on
somebody.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yup, what did you think of?
Well, I know you said what youthink of, but what do you think
of Sammy as a whole?
And then, like Grace forruining man?
Grace made me so mad.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, like come on in and you better know what.
And then everybody was sittingthere like man, what you do that
for oh god no, I I kind of getit because you know they bit her
uh husband boat and they werethreatened to kill lisa back at
home.
So I'm like I kind of get that.
She was like emotionallyvulnerable and charged by my egg
(26:27):
dog like fuck that no, no,that's what I'm saying.
Like, no, like you, we get whereyou're coming from like dog,
like they ain't really goinganywhere.
If anything, they're justtrying to goad you into, either
letting them in, or you come outthere and try to face them,
because you're too mad to eventhink straight and I'm like
you're just giving them whatthey want, right, like they
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probably wouldn't even bother.
Like, come on, dog.
Like think about it, likethey're gonna go out of their
way to I mean, they probablywould have anyways at some point
.
But like, are you really sayingthat they would like, okay, let
me be right back.
Like we'll be right back on, goget your daughter and then
we'll come back.
No, no, no, they're just tryingto bait you out or convince you
(27:12):
to let them in, and you know itworked like, obviously like bro
, like, don't let them distractyou.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
They they obviously not leaving the area.
They stopped soon to leavemultiple times.
They ain't trying to leave thearea, don't let them go during
today, but she just was trippingbro.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Oh, bro, she made me so mad.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
But, oh, sammy, sammy , Okay, okay, okay, alright now
Him being like a young talent,like he's, like you know,
innocent for the most part.
But here's the funny thing,here's the whole reason why the
movie is called Sinners, becausein actuality, whether you like
it or not, we're all sinners,like we all kinda flew away from
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God's grace at some point, likewe probably said or did some
things that we may regret.
But I think ultimately it'sabout how you take
responsibility for your sins.
Now, with sammy, the wholething, with him, especially his
father, to where, um, his fatherbelieved that oh, uh, that
blues music for the devil anddon't sign your soul away.
(28:23):
And the funny thing is Sammy andhis music.
It was kind of influenced byCharlie Patton and the
introduction of characters likeDelta Slim and Pearlene, where
there was the Delta something,the Delta Blues music.
(28:48):
That's right, right, right, uh,essentially, with this it's like
it's a symbolism of the churchat the significance of delta
blues music as devil's music andhow characters like sammy draw
inspiration from real lifefigures like robert johnson to
where you know, uh, making musicthat could call on spirits,
(29:09):
whether it's good or bad, asyou've seen, when he made that
performance and that attractedthe attention of Remick and the
vampires.
So even after knowing all thatand you saw how it was like a
immediate risk kind of thing, towhere the movie started off at
the ending.
But then it was because you hadto like understand how they got
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to that ending.
And then by the time you got tothe ending it's like put the
guitar down, son, put it downand give your life to the lord
and then samuel like, nah, Iain't gonna do, I ain't going
for that fam.
He drove, drove off with thatguitar, that last piece of
guitar right in his hand.
By the way, I found it funnyhow Sammy thought it was the
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guitar of a famous person.
Charlie Patton and Smoke waslike man ain't.
No, charlie Patton, that wasfrom my daddy.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Charlie Patton was the was from my daddy.
Charlie Patton was the fatherof Delta Blues, which is
portrayed in the movie.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Right, right, and it was just crazy.
I was like, okay, he was just ayoung guy that was just getting
mixed up in some shit to wherehe probably well the music part
is understandable because, likeyou know, where he probably well
the music part isunderstandable because, like you
know, he was just playing musicbut getting involved with
smoking stack.
(30:32):
I'm like, okay, even thoughthey're not trying to get him in
trouble, so to speak, it's more.
The whole point is that it'sthem, with their trouble past,
having influence over sammy,because, keep in mind, they came
from the chicago outfit andthey just wanted to like, get
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away from all that shit.
But notice how, from chicago tomississippi is a representation
of what happened with the greatmigration way back then, with
that's why there were likechinese people like uh, grace
and beau and lisa, to where itwas like chinese, japanese, uh,
immigrants and whatnot in thisone spot.
(31:14):
So it kind of everything kindof made sense in a way.
So I appreciate that film forthat.
But they just want, uh, makesure that sam Sammy doesn't get
into any trouble, and gettingmixed up with blues music,
that's what gets him intotrouble, you know, because
you're just inviting bad spiritson you and despite all that,
(31:43):
the blues music did corrupt him.
It is more like you know howthey say the brightest flame
attract the most moths.
That's pretty much what it is.
That's all it was.
It's like, yeah, there's goingto be some people, whether it's
good or bad, that's going toshow up for you.
But it didn't corrupt him as aperson.
If anything, the only sinninghe was doing was getting some
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nookie.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
You know, I understand you can rob trains
and banks, but you can't robthis pussy.
For a night I was like I wouldhave folded like origami right
there, man, I mean.
I kind of look good.
I'm like yeah, yeah, man, Imean I kind of good, I'm like
(32:29):
yeah, yeah, yeah, All right,let's go.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Oh, can I also mention I like how tasteful the
turning was.
Like, yeah, half the time youdidn't even actually see them
getting turned.
It was more like implied that,yeah, the vampires got them too.
Was more like imply that, yeah,uh, the vampires got them too.
But even when you do seesomebody getting bitten, it's
(32:52):
like it it didn't.
It wasn't as gruesome like thewalking dead.
To where they make you watch allthat shit.
Like, uh, how, um, tyler jameswilliams, uh, when he had like a
little moment in that in thatseries, to where, when the
zombies got him bro, it was likeit wasn't enough.
(33:15):
To where it was implied thatthe that the zombies got to him
they had his ass up on thatglass and they made you watch as
they like ripped his jawlineout and everything.
Like they made you watch him inagony and shit getting ripped
to shreds and what not.
(33:36):
And I'm like, god damn, like ifI ever watch the Walking Dead
all over again, some parts aregonna be a tough watch.
But with Sam, I like how cleanthey did it to where it makes
the movie rewatchable in thatsense.
To where, like, okay, don't letthe gruesome killing derail you
(33:57):
from the point that we're tryingto make with this film or it's
like the killing it wasn't okay.
It's a vampire horror film soyeah, they're gonna be vampires
biting people, but there's moreto it than that and we kind of
want to have that replay value.
If that's what they were goingfor, I appreciate for that,
because I'm like not to say that, oh, I was like scared of the
(34:18):
killing.
It's just more like I'm justhoping that it's one of those
things where I'm like, okay, youknow what, it was so intense
that sometimes you only need towatch it once and you're like
you know what I'm good.
For instance, that firstepisode of Goblin Slayer, to
where I'm like you know what I'mgood.
I remember that first episodewell enough.
(34:40):
To where I'm like you know what, skip to episode two, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
That was crazy.
I was not expecting that.
Like you know, I thought thehero was gonna save today.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Like you know well, he came a little too late for
one girl.
Yeah, yeah, it was.
Ah on the first episode, likeyou, just don't, well of course.
Now hold on now.
Some series Do need that hookto grip people Into it.
(35:13):
I'm like see, because of thatscene.
That's why Goblin Slayer Is asinfamous as it is.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
That's a real revealer.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, I was just gonna mention that too.
How, like episode 2, I like,whoa damn, I'm still mad at
Kogagazu for asking me hey, doyou think she deserved it?
I'm like, what Did she deserveit?
No, bro, bro, that's how he'ssetting me up for something,
because I'm like bro, I'm notgoing to say she deserved it,
(35:47):
but I don't feel bad for herbecause I'm like bro.
I'm not gonna say she deserve it, but I don't feel I don't feel
bad for her because of she was atotal bitch to the main
character.
I don't feel bad for her, butdid she deserve it?
I can't see that.
I can't see that though yo, allright.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So I want to unpack the layers.
So it's a lot of themes andsymbolism that's in it.
I'm gonna go through a few ofthem and then I want you to tell
me if you recognize it or not.
So, racism as a monster Alright, this is the most prominent
theme.
The white clan affiliatedvampires are not just generic
monsters.
They're metaphors forsystematic oppression, trauma
(36:22):
and then the white personneltrying to exploit black music
right and there was, like some Ilike how with it.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
They were like you can.
It was implied that it wasgoing to be some racism and
cultural appropriation going on,but they played it so
differently to where, like it'simplied, but not like it's not
so on the nose, that it'sclearly that's what the movie is
about.
At least it's not like, uh,that one movie that I was so
disappointed by the premiseabout that I didn't even bother
(36:56):
watching it because it felt likeit was a insult to the black
community.
It was that one movie that, uh,it was supposed to be harry pot
Potter for black people.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, I think it was like the League or the Society
of.
Magical Negroes yeah like itwas something like that where
I'm like bro, no, no, like y'allhad me at Harry Potter for
black people, but once you foundout about the premise, like
uh-uh, uh-uh, like, like y'allmaking it too on the nose, about
(37:29):
to a point where like I thoughtit was going to be Harry Potter
for blacks, just like you saidI was like oh, they got the
uniforms and everything yeah,but then it turns out, oh yeah,
like we're, uh, our main purposeis to make white people
comfortable.
I'm like what?
Our main purpose?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
is to make white people comfortable.
I'm like what Agreed?
Here's the next one.
This is pretty on the nose, butthe power of black music, it's
a central theme of it, where,let's say, the guitar I know we
mentioned about that, it wascharlie patton's guitar, but it
symbolizes the power of blackmusic, the soft uplift, but it
(38:15):
also attracts unwanted attentionright.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And also I want to add on to it where, ever since
after that, you notice how themusic numbers were more electric
guitar Like, especially when,like, the vampires are getting
that edge and it sounds likesome devil music started playing
Like doom, doom, doom, thattype of shit, where it's like,
okay, it just feels kind of moremodernized now that it was in
(38:41):
the second half, but that'smainly because, you know, with
black people and white irish,you know, other people coming in
trying to mingle with the black, it's almost like the music was
like the cultural of it alljust meshing together to where,
(39:03):
yeah, it was kind of like bluesmusic but it was like with some
electric guitar or whatnot.
So you can tell that as themovie progressed that the
different genre of music wasmeshing together.
Yeah, so on a musical level Idid like how the music numbers
fit the progression of the film.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Okay, I agree.
And then you know the scenewhere it was like
intergenerational connection,all the different scenes, right?
So that emphasizes thecontinuous evolving power and
resilience of Black musicalheritage.
So essentially it showed Blackmusic being the epitome of music
from the 30s until today.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Bro, we're not just the epitome, we're the
forerunners.
Like it started because of us,music was because of us Started
with the ritual dancing forAfricans.
Yeah, yeah, so I'm not evensurprised.
The ritual dancing for Africans?
Yeah, yeah, so I'm not evensurprised.
The way they carried out, bro,I'm just Let me clap for Ryan
(40:15):
Coogler, because the way hecarried out this film, like just
from the music to the characterarcs, to the symbolism and
everything like this is why Iwould say, despite my nitpicks
from the horror film pointbecause that's just thing, it's
like it's just me just having apersonal gripe with horror films
, but taking that out of theequation this was a great movie
(40:39):
because it had a lot going on.
Like you say, it had layers.
To where it's like, okay, Iappreciate what you're doing.
To where it's like it's not ascut and dry as black people
getting slaughtered by a vampireand somebody smart enough to
outsmart them.
No, no, no, it's more likethere was more going on as you
(41:00):
pay attention to each characterand what they were doing, what
they were saying, all thedifferent references and whatnot
getting involved so damn, Ialmost, I almost wish um mira
jane was on for this one uh,yeah, I agree, see, I know she
got some good takes on it.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I got two more to go through.
So the vampires drawn to music.
So notice, the vampires was alldrawn to music, especially by
like Sammy and the way that theypierce through time.
It connects through like awhite appropriation and
fetishizing a black culture.
So essentially they just drawnto black culture.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yes, bro, like um, it's crazy how, even to this day
, like, for instance, we gotwhite folks trying to get their
hair and dress like are wearingclothing styles that's similar
to ours like hell.
Like it's crazy how we got awhole bunch of white people like
(42:05):
they don't want to do it in anoffensive way.
But it just feels weird whenyour white friends come up to
you and be like hey, yo bro,like we've been cool for like a
hot minute, right.
I'm like yeah, and I'm likelisten, like you know, I'm not
like that but like I was justwondering if you're okay, if I
could say it.
I'm like say what?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
You know the.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
N-word I'm like, bro, like I'm going to be honest
with you, like okay, I knowyou're not like that, so I'm
like, when it comes to N-wordpasses, you do realize that it's
more like a regional type thing, it's not universal.
(42:50):
Just because you have that oneblack friend like okay, he's not
really racist, though, Ithought it was okay for him to
say no, no, no, you gotta like,it's like you gotta get that
card stamped everywhere you go,like because I can't save you
from some dudes.
That's like okay, bro, no,that's just not cool.
I don't even like you like thatyou know.
(43:12):
So like I'll be careful withthat.
Like doesn't matter how cool youare, it's like you probably be
better off just avoiding you asmuch as you can, because like,
uh, it doesn't matter matter ifyou, it doesn't matter if you're
not a genuine racist, it's justthe more you get comfortable
(43:33):
saying it, the more it justseems like uh, uh, dog, like
you're getting a little toocomfortable saying it.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
So I'm telling people they can say whatever they feel
like, but there's an action andthere's an equal or opposite
react and uh yeah.
Yeah, you got it If they're notsaying why we, they better be
ready to get slapped.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Listen, I'll just put it to you like this you may
have freedom of speech, but youdon't have freedom of
consequences.
So you can say it if you wantto, but that's more like saying,
all right, for every time yousay it, I'm allowed to punch you
in the face one good time foreach time you say it.
(44:15):
So do you really want to gothere?
You want to.
You think it's worth it, but goahead.
You have one more thing.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, the last one is about community identity.
So notice the juke joint.
Black people always find a wayto commune and fellowship
together and one of those placeswas the juke joint.
Black people always found a wayto commune and fellowship
together and one of those placeswas the juke joint.
Now, when they first got to thejuke joint, bear in mind that
there was bloodstains on thefloor because that's the place
where they used the sawmill,where they used to chop up Black
people, nevertheless.
(44:45):
But Black people found a way tofind a place that's just for
them, even with the dark historybehind it, still finding a way
to come together and, uh, youknow, have a safe space to just
do right, I mean hey, today youknow you go to the, to the bar,
to the club.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
I'll find a place that's predominantly black,
because you know that's thecommunity that I rock with yeah,
like hell, some traditions,like you know how, the way we
picked apart a chicken and wemade gizzards and whatnot out of
chicken parts, like at first,the way we made food was mainly
(45:25):
for our survival because, like,we were probably given like
scraps and whatnot.
Uh, because, you know, we weremistreated very bad, but like we
took our pain and turned intopower and now we got to a point
to where, like uh I'm sorry, butlike I'm, now that I'm thinking
(45:46):
about it, it just came outfunny.
But like, see, our thing isnowadays we, nowadays we have
functions, we have cookoutsMeanwhile with white folks like
they can probably party prettyhard, but like you know, white
communities, hootin' nanny, itcan be fun.
(46:10):
But like, hey, bro, like ain'tnothing like sliding to the
function with the blackcommunity because, like, we know
how to get down.
But yeah, like community, yeah,because you know solidarity,
like we're all going through itat some, to some extent.
Like, say, for instance, itcould just be a matter of we're
(46:33):
just all trying to get our billspaid and we're just doing
whatever we can to get by.
Like you kind of understandthat it's like that's why it
just seemed like there's so muchlove in the community.
Well, even though social mediawant you to think otherwise,
where it just seemed like we'reboth stabbing each other in the
back but it really depends onwhat neck of the woods you're in
like there's community still,it's just you don't really hear
(46:58):
about that in social media thatmuch.
In fact, I would say thatsocial media kind of thrives on
drama, so it's like ifeverything was all good, then
it's not newsworthy.
So that's just the the mainthing.
That's why, with social media,like, just take what you see on
social media with a grain ofsalt, don't just completely
absorb and be on Italian because, like I want to say, we still
(47:23):
have some solidarity.
There's still the brotherhood,there's still the sisterhood.
It's just, it just getsovershadowed by bullshit.
Bullshit, like, especially whenit comes to us killing off our
own.
But outside of that, yeah, likeit's still.
(47:44):
Yeah, like we're building upbusinesses and whatnot, um,
getting people together, becausehey, remember what they say
where it's like, if you getabout the hood, the hood will
forget you.
So don't forget your village,don't forget where you came from
.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
The Red Bull continues.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
The movie is a solid 10 for you.
It was great all around theelements, the history, the
context, the accuracy and theeverything else, man.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Right, Like I said, I didn't have a whole lot to say
on it, but I just wanted to saythat Sinners is an excellent
film and I do regret not seeingit sooner.
But I just wanted to say thatcenters is an excellent film and
I do regret not seeing itsooner, but I'm glad that
actually got the got around towatching it, because with my
(48:41):
busy schedule nowadays workingtwo jobs like I'm not going to
have much time for anything.
Um, so that's why here on thezone podcast, we're going to be
slowing down the number ofepisodes being released or, at
the very least, we're going tobe planning in advance to where
we're going to be producingepisodes.
(49:01):
But you're probably not goingto see them till, like August or
whatnot.
That way it's like, OK, we'reputting stuff out, we're still
working on stuff, but sometimeswe need to work on things in
advance.
So that way, when we have itput out there, when we want them
put out, then we can take thattime to like focus on ourselves
(49:24):
or just have more time toprepare for other reviews.
So and also, you know, like Ijust said me working two jobs
now we probably not going to beputting out a whole lot of
episodes.
In fact, I do apologize that wehave been doing the nerdy news
in a while, but you know thingshave been happening and I just
(49:44):
wasn't on social media enough towhere I was catching all the
news.
So you could say that I'mplaying catch up with what's
been going on and we'll get backto the nerdy news, say around
August.
But yeah, that's all I have oneto say.
That's all I want to say aboutsinners 10 out of 10.
Like I said, I'll watch itagain.
(50:05):
Uh, Doug, you have anythingelse you want to add on before
it closes out?
Speaker 2 (50:10):
no, I'm good, I said everything I pretty much wanted
to say, but it's just a greatmovie.
If you haven't watched it, go.
It closes out.
No, I'm good, I said everythingI pretty much wanted to say,
but it's just a great movie.
If you haven't watched it, gocheck it out.
And if you have already watchedit, re-watch it.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, it's on HBO Max now.
Yeah, but you know what?
That is it from us.
Y'all go ahead and haveyourself a good morning, good
afternoon, good good evening andgood night, but ultimately,
take it easy.
Remember to stay nerdy and thatgreat things are coming.
Let's go ahead and zone out ofhere.
We're out.
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