The Bittersweet Climax of Teen Titans (Season 5): Divided & United, Beast Boy's Coming-of-Age and Starfire's Romance in Tokyo

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Ayo, what's good, everybody.
It's Jeff Blackestream,kokugasu, kali Hikai and
Professor Tuck with Season 5 ofTeam Titans and, without further
ado, let's go ahead and zone inon it.
We're here, ladies andgentlemen, like it's been a
journey, but now let's go aheadand talk about this final season

(00:25):
and, unlike the previousseasons where it had like a part
2 or part 3 to the seriesfinale, I mean season finale,
fuck.
With season 5 it starts offwith a two-parter and it's with
the homecoming where Beast Boydis reintroduced to well reunited

(00:47):
with the Doom Patrol, hisformer teammates, and they've
been captured by the brotherhoodof evil led by the brain and
Monster Mala who, funny enough,is asking.
I was thinking back in the daylike, oh, so y'all could, was
Gorilla Grodd too busy?
But turns out that Monster Malais a cousin and eventual

(01:12):
partner of Gorilla Grodd.
So I'm like, interesting,starting with Kokugasu, you
don't have anything to add on tothe first two episodes?
I'm having a hard time hearingyou.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
You going in and out.
You sound like a weed lad.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Fuckin' A Well damn.
I'm having some technicaldifficulties with our recording
equipment, but for me and Tub,for the most part it was fine,
but with Callie and Jeremy itwas kinda struggling a little

(02:31):
bit.
So we're trying to do our bestwith this one.
I'm sorry, kokugasu, but Ithink you might have to take a
back seat on this one maybe, butwe're worried.
Alright, how about with Tub?

(02:53):
How you feeling about Season 5in general?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Alright.
Well, season 4 was peak, right,but Season 5 did deserve to
exist.
It was very important.
I think a big part of theproblem for me with Season 5 was
that they leave the tower forsuch a long time and then we see
so many new characters but wedon't really get an introduction
.
So it makes it feel kindadisconnected, but at the same
time, it's still a good season.

(03:18):
Nevertheless, I feel like itwas good enough to end that
season 4, but since theycontinued it and they didn't
really conclude it like itshould have been concluded, that
jump was stupid.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I know I feel like the way they ended with Season 4
.
You're thinking like how theygonna top fucking trike on it,
right?
That's a fact.
Yeah and Callie, same question.
First of all, I'm very gladthat you're finally joining us
on the Teen Type Review, becauseI really been wanting to get
you on to Season 2.

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But how you feeling aboutSeason 5?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
though it's kinda similar with Tuck.
They did really end with Season4 like being at the peak, but I
didn't realize it at first thatthe main reason why they
continued with the Season 5 isjust because of how popular the
series was.
So it was like by popular demandliterally by like audiences and

(04:20):
stuff like that they decided tomake one more season.
And it also gives it a chanceto because I didn't realize it
at first either that each season, like looking back on it, like
during the time I didn't realizeit, but looking back on it now,
each character has each seasonis surrounded by excuse me, is

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focused on.
There.
We go focused on a specificcharacter, like Robin obviously
has Season 1, season 4 is Raven,obviously because she's dealing
with shit with her dad, and soSeason 5 is dealing with Beast
Boy.
I mean we see that the DoomPatrol is his old group that he
was with before, before the TeenTitans, and so we can kinda see

(05:09):
a little bit more.
I've always liked the fact thatthey kind of focused on each
member.
The only thing is that I feellike Starfire, it gets kind of
like left out because Season 2is focused on Terra.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, well, the funny thing about that is I looked
into things to where, first ofall, like, yeah, starfire, well,
cookie got soup.
We already talked about itbefore, tuck, you already know
too.
But essentially we mentionedhow, with Starfire, she always
have like an episode or two inevery season.

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So she may not have her ownseason, but she does have a
whole lot of episodes dedicatedto her.
But, funny enough, when we getto trouble in Tokyo, they make
it sound like oh well, this isStarfire's moment because she
didn't get her own season, solet's make the movie about her a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh yeah, very true, then.
That's when they're good to see, finally, the Robin and
Starfire romance that's beenbubbling for the past five
fucking seasons.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
No, no, no, okay, well, we're on.
Because you're here now I'mgonna go flash back to Season 2,
to where my favorite episodedate with Destiny, you know, the
one where he went, robin wentto the prom and Starfire was
feeling some type of way aboutit.
Oh my god, yeah, bro, like Iwas bro, like I was telling

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Cookie, I said yo, bro, this theone right here, because it was
like for the first time, it justseems like with Starfire, what
are you saying?
Like you just kind of buggingabout me going to this date.
It's like you don't even knowthe girl.
You're already bugging, likewhat's going on?

(06:58):
You know, there was that wholetoxic relationship dynamic that
Kitten and Fang had, where itseemed like, okay, they pretty
much broke up because somethingabout, oh well, they got into a
fight.
Maybe Fang wasn't paying enoughattention to her, but the thing
was he was going out robbingjewelry stores to get jewelry

(07:21):
for his girlfriend and I'm justlike this.
So this is a relationshipbetween two criminals.
It's like okay, I'm like youknow what.
I'm gonna walk away from this.
But also in Season 2, there'sone thing I made a good point

(07:44):
about with Terra as a whole, towhere I feel like he is a prime
example of the Hedgehog dilemma,to where you go through this
trauma, to where it's likeyou're trying to avoid getting
hurt by people and you're alsotrying to avoid hurting people
as a product.
And Terra is more of a strongerpersonification of it because

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with her lack of control overher powers she's more of a
danger to herself as well as toother people.
So that's why she's so distant.
From time to time maybe she'slike on the run and eventually
she gets into the hands of aslave.
And if you know the comic books, it's like okay, it gets a
little worse in the comic books,let me just put it to you like

(08:27):
that.
It's like a spiercky sus redflag kind of relationship.
But for the most part in theseries he played a more
psychological card because heknows that between her lack of
control over her powers and himbeing this charismatic and

(08:53):
confident man that she feel like, oh, I feel I can trust him
because I feel like I canactually master my powers if I
just listen to him.
But you know how it is, whereit seems like the girl who's
like trying to find herself endsup dating the bad boy to a
degree, and then it kind offucks up her mental a little bit

(09:16):
.
Worse than that, and I feellike the main thing with Tara is
that if she had this supportsystem with the Titans, if she
met the Titans before she metSlade and before you know,
trying to make sure that, um,they don't, that Slade doesn't

(09:38):
get into her head, I feel likeyou play my a lot better, but
what did you think about Taradeal and season two um, I
remember watching when I wasyounger, being, I guess, really
upset like she betrayed them.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
But looking back on it now I'm still upset about it.
But, like you said, it's one ofthose dynamics of um.
I don't know how old Slade issupposed to be like portrayed.
I always like imagine he'sprobably like in his 30s and all
the all.
The Teen Titans are likeliterally what?
15, 16, maybe 17 at the most.

(10:21):
So it's literally an older guycoming and talking to this young
, impressionable girl and shethinks that he understands her
and he's manipulating heremotions.
Like you said, it's much moreuh, it's a lot ickier in the uh,
comic books because they alwayshave, you know, much more of an
adult tone.

(10:41):
And this was, this was, ofcourse, made for kids, um, kind
of kids I would say, like older,like maybe probably teen, um,
teen viewing, but you can stillkind of pick up on some of those
notes that that there wassomething more going on up
underneath there.
But she's, you know, clingingonto him.

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She's like, um, doing whatevershe wants to for him.
Um, because Slade's like I'llbe able to take care of you if
you need to, if you just need todo this for me against the Teen
Titans, and I'll be the one whotakes care of you like forever.
And of course we end up findingout later on.
Of course he's not gonna followthrough because he's a fucking

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villain and he's evil, um, andso poor Tara has just been
manipulating if she finds outtoo late that the Teen Titans
were the ones that really hadher best interest in, especially
Beast Boy, I mean, he had a, hehad a crush on her and
everything.
But it gets to the point whereit's, you really start to pity

(11:43):
her because I mean a lot ofpeople and I I kind of
sympathize with that at justbeing like a young teen and
stuff.
Um, you want to be accepted bypeople that you want to be
accepted by, so like olderpeople, you know, when we're,
when we're teenagers, we'retrying to like act much older

(12:03):
than we are.
So it's like oh, I'm reallyreally cool, I'm hanging out
with older people, like thatsort of thing.
I'm not gonna hang out withlike my friends or my same age
or people they're the same ageas me because they're not as
cool.
It's like gets to stuff likethat.
So I can kind of sympathizewith where she's going and how
she was probably feeling at thattime.

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But of course, like I said, weknow that he's manipulating her,
he knows that that's how shefeels and so that just makes it
so much worse that she realizesway too late that the Teen
Titans were the ones who wantedto actually take care of her and
have her officially join theTeen Titans and everything, but

(12:45):
during this entire time she'sbasically been a double agent.
Um, I think.
I think the only time that shedidn't run into it was like her
very first appearance, right,mm-hmm, yeah, that's right,
that's what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
my theory was it may have been one of those scenes
where, when she was first on therun away from something, I feel
like maybe she met Slade waybefore then, but it wasn't that
obvious and maybe Slade kind oforchestrated that whole chase
scene to where it's like okay,um, we're gonna have to play it
out, play it off like you gorunning towards the Titans with

(13:24):
this beast trying to capture youand then the Titans will try to
save you and try to befriendyou and all that shit and then
gain their trust that way.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, I could.
I could never pinpoint when Iwas younger if she had already
run into Slade or um, if itwould happen, if it happened
after.
Like I said, that was, like youknow, years and years ago when
we were watching this, so Icould never pinpoint exactly
when she had met him, but I knowby the second time she ran into
the Teen Titans she was alreadyunder his control and already

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like talking to him and doingstuff for him and stuff.
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
So with Terra, it's like I feel for her because, um,
with her main thing is that shehas a lot of control for her
powers is like she, um,definitely didn't have a whole
strong support system to uh turnto in order for emotional
support and to actually learnhow to master her powers.

(14:30):
So it I want to say, yeah, itjust goes to shows that, um,
sometimes it just comes down tosurrounding yourself with the
right people and your whole fatecould be.
It's kind of like a butterflyeffect in a way is worse, like
if you met certain people, orwhat if you never met certain

(14:52):
people, how differently whatyour life would have been.
Oh.
Yeah, that's the main thing.
Well, on Tara, it's like itgave me perspective how I have
you guys when I'm like bro.
I wouldn't imagine howdifferently my life would have
been if I never became friendswith you guys, like for real.

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Like there's some people that I, to be fair, it's like Not the
best experience with them, butin a way it's like ironically if
the people that I had thedispleasure of Experiencing kind
of led me towards the friendsthat I do have the pleasure of
experiencing.

(15:35):
You know me, yeah, so it's in away, yeah, I.
That's why I kind of mainly feelfor Tara, because sometimes
it's like all you need is likegood friends and that can like
really boost your confidence andReally give you the drive you
need to actually succeed.
Just like on how I was sellinga mutual friend of ours I'll let

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y'all know after the podcast,but a mutual friend of ours and
I was talking how like mainthing is with being betrayed by
folks is that sometimes you gotsurround yourself with the right
people and you Eventually allthat trauma starts to like fade
out your memory, like becausethe main thing is like, even

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though it's gonna take Weeks,months, maybe even years, maybe
even a whole lifetime to healthe trauma, but when you do have
good people that you'resurrounded by, it's almost like
it gets easier as you go.
And it's almost like you're sobusy filling your head with good
memories with the good peoplethat eventually All the bad

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memories just become a memory.
Yeah, oh, that's why I wasgoing with all that.
Let's try to keep it on trackwith season five.
Ah, okay, guys, who?
He said that?
Um, with his side he won't beable to keep up with us, but he

(17:05):
did leave us some notes.
Oh, he was saying that forstarters.
A great intro as we finally getto include other adult heroes.
We know the Justice Leagueexists, but they never show up,
even when Tricon destroyed theworld.
But seeing the Doom Patrol is agreat bring about to have them,
or adult heroes and adultvillains, or the teen types of

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face.
So, yeah, that is a good point.
See, the rest of his nose isgonna be later on, so we'll just
do our part with episode three.
Trust.
The brotherhood evil has begunto plan to eliminate young
heroes across the globe.
Will the bees got captured?

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Madam Ruse was after a hot spot.
Robin meadley heads for Morocco, the tetanus red and that's
about it.
Oh, a lot of this is just feelslike.
Oh, this is honestly is likethe first time that a season had
like a Main or like.
In other words, there was awhole lot of filler season

(18:12):
filler episodes of course, butthis is the first season to wear
.
All of it is pretty much Underthe same blanket, like it pretty
much the whole fight againstthe brotherhood evil.
Everybody's getting like splitup and all that.
So I kind of like it in thataspect.
But any, anybody got any noteson episode three like anything

(18:36):
in particular?
I?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Don't know if you saw talking up got.
He got kicked out again, so itmight just be.
He said that he gives up, so itmight just be me and you oh my
god, okay, no, no, no, that'sokay.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Oh Jesus, that is fine, that's fine.
All right, so good, All right.
So we just gonna keep it moving.
Oh, episode four, for real.
Okay, so teen Titans are awaydealing with the brother evil
Titans, ease, come to jump city,watch over.

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They got some trouble gainingthe acceptance amount of public,
because you know they're likethis.
It's like having the substituteteacher showing up and it's
like man we would you like that.
But then we have another controlfreak episode where he escaped
from prison ready to face upagainst the teen Titans with
this series of challengesdesigned specifically for them.

(19:39):
And Personally, I like how, forthe past Three well, season
five, so Ever since season twowe had like in control freak
episode and I like how Goodpoint that cookie got so made in

(20:01):
the last, in the last season,to where it's essentially the
control freak.
It's like having that one guythat you know how.
There's the cool nerds like usand then there's the nerdy nerds
.
That's like, oh well, if youreally know one piece, but it's
loopy, do them Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I was like I Mean whenever I think about it like I
didn't know the term back then.
But we know control freak iswhat would people would probably
call Like a neck beard today.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Really what he is.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I'm like bro, like Yo , but um he's literally one of
those.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
He's literally one of those guys that Comes up and
when we're just talking, ifsomebody's like having a regular
conversation about anime orsomething, he's the one that
like insert himself and go um.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Actually.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Go on whatever, because he's like well, I know
more about this and I know thelore and I know everything about
it.
So you guys have no idea whatyou're talking about and it's
one of those they're having likean inferiority complex, you
know, and they're like we justneed I need to Make myself seem
like I know exactly what I'mtalking about by just
interrupting Conversations havenothing to do with me.

(21:23):
That's literally what controlfreak is because, like I said,
you've got things going on withTitans East and then control
freaks just fucking with theoriginal team, titans.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Right, and that's really funny.
Um, where you put that?
Because first of all, that kindof reminds me of Two people one
I'm not gonna mention becausenot really worth my time, but
the other one with coca-cola.
Like I still remember when Wasit the Wednesday review, when I

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was like you know, sometimes I Ijust be bugging when I just
come, cross those nerves as likewell, actually, and then it's
like, apparently I was like,well, no, oh, I remember it was
the any yasha review.
Because, yeah, I was like I wasmaking a joke about I didn't
even think he was gonna reactthe way he was, but he was like,

(22:16):
uh, I take a fist in that serve, because you know I do that.
I was like, but nah, withcoca-cola, with coca-cola at
least he doesn't come up at anasshole about it.
He's not like one of those neckbeard that's like he's pissing
you off while correcting you atthe same time.
So it's different withcoca-cola.
But there was this one otherguy that we used to know where

(22:39):
I'm just like bro, like it'slike that one episode of Rick
and Morty with the bendicatorswhere Morty was telling Rick
Where's like, when you're anasshole, it doesn't matter how
right you are.
No one wants to give you thesatisfaction.
That's the main thing.
In fact, that reminds me like acouple of people that we used
to fuck with, to where it's like, bro, like you're making a good

(23:00):
point and we're not gonnadiscredit you at the
intellectual, but, bro, the wayyou're wording it makes me want
to punch you in the fucking face.
That's the thing oh.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
I know I've known way too many people like that.
You're right.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah.
So I'm like if you watch yourinflection, watch your tone,
like the way you worded, thenNot to say like you got to be
soft about all the damn time.
But, bro, like You're comingoff kind of offensive, almost
like you're belittling myintelligence while trying to
correct me.
That's what pissed me off.
Yeah, where were we?

(23:38):
I Like this one.
This is one where they go toRussia and they're finding some
serious creature there andstarfire this basically like
another starfire episode whenshe searched for the monster
everywhere by herself, gets lostin the blinding snowstorm.

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Next thing, you know, she getsrescued by this radio after
soldier named Red Star I swearat his battle shelter.
He finds out that he got apretty much Stay in this battle
shelter to prevent his powerfrom harm others.
So in a way it's kind of likeSame thing with Tara, but At

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least not minus the trauma.
Yes, yeah.
So when the rest of the time toride power, they found out that
the creatures arrived from RedStar's power.
So breast art decided to jointhe Titans in defeating the
creature.
But the battle causes a changein him to where it's Restor, at
starfire, to send him out intospace where he decided to Pretty

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much pull up mods and Vegetaand sacrifice himself to destroy
this creature.
But Unlike Vegeta, he survivesand he's now a teen Titan.
But um any notes on episodefive None in particular.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I just always like the fact when they show the Show
the Titans, like fighting indifferent places other than just
jump city and being able to seehow they interact with other
people, like outside.
Of course it's gonna be like, IGuess, like super powered
people.
I think, like a term that a lotof people are using now is like
just like metas, I think that'sthe term.

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So they're just meeting withall the new people and I feel
like I've always liked that partof teen Titans because in a way
, they really suddenly keepexpanding the universe and then
also it kind of helps.
It kind of helps, um, it kindof gives back, like the

(25:44):
watchability, because I didn'teven realize it.
But now apparently teen Titansthe actual teen Titans, not teen
Titans go Is on max, which wasHBO max.
Now it's just max Um yeah.
So I am I'm playing on likedoing like another good, like
watch through the entire seriesnow that it's available, because

(26:05):
I Don't think I've watched itagain since the Since it was on
Cartoon Network.
So I plan on making anotherwatch through of it very, very
soon.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, honestly, most of the episodes are, like in my
head, rent-free anyway, so it'slike I Just needed a refresher
and I was good to go.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Oh yeah, I say some of these, it's been such a long
time.
Other ones kind of like stickout more to me, like the mad mod
episode and let's see I'mtrying to think of all the other
ones a lot of the brotherhoodof evil or like the ones like
where cyborg infiltrated Likehive.

(26:46):
Yeah that one.
So there's like a few of themthat like definitely stick out
on my mind more.
But I'd love to, like I need togo back and rewatch all of it
so I can have like a fresh in mymind of oh yeah, this is what
this episode of it is about.
And then the main one thatsticks in my mind, or the main
two, is when Terrod dies, andand Then the one where Starfire

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goes into the future and none ofthe Titans are together,
because that just like made mesuper depressed at that time
Watching that episode, becauseI'm like whoa, why is it?
Why does it have to be this way?
So I've gone on tangent.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Now you good.
No, it's funny because you knowwhat got to me when we were
doing season 4 review withKoukou Yasu and Essentially he
was telling me about part one ofthe season 4 finale, to where
essentially, raven was gettingprepared to kill herself, all to
prevent try gun from Takingover the world, and shit, I was

(27:48):
like fuck, I forgot about thisepisode, but damn, I didn't even
think about it like that untilnow.
Oh, how do you feel aboutRaven's whole arc with, you know
, isolating herself and tryingto Control her emotions in order
to prevent things from gettingworse?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's really interesting because I know that
Early on Raven and Tara Didn'tlike vibe really really well.
Tara got along with witheverybody at first, especially
Beast Boy of course, so some ofit may have been sprinkled with
a little bit of Jealousy, youknow.

(28:31):
We know that it's Raven andBeast Boy forever, you know.
I.
Ship them to.
Sorry Tara.
No, I ship them to, so I feelbad but um, so I feel like a lot
of it kind of mirrors exactlywhat Tara was trying to do in

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the in the second season.
Of course, raven is already inthe Teen Titans, so that part is
a little different.
But you got People alwayssaying that Raven's really,
really weird and it's like, well, in the Jewel in her forehead
she's got her dad living insideof her head, basically telling
her yes, literally rent-free.

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Let me out so I can destroy theworld.
Let me take over your body.
You be my conduit so I can dowhat I need to.
This is part of the prophecy,and so she's constantly having
to fight against that and that'swhy I like with season four,
when it comes to ahead witheverything.
With Raven, unlike, you canfinally understand what she's

(29:41):
been dealing with this entiretime and, of course, she's
terrified.
She's like the best way for meto do this is to get away from
the people I call my friends andLike how we know how the Titans
are.
They're like no, we need to bethere to support you.
So she's only trying to do thebest she could.
So I feel like it's one ofthose things of Her and Tara can

(30:02):
really be.
They have a few parallels, yeah,few parallels in that way where
they're trying to dissitthemselves Because of the power
that they have and they knowwhat they can do, or they don't
or, if you, they don't know whatthey could cause With their
powers.
So they're trying to protectthe people that they care about,
but of course, we know Ravenends up going an entirely

(30:26):
different way and activelyfighting against her dad.
Tara ends up kind of doing thesame thing at the end, at the
end of season two against Slade.
But she ends up falling in andlistening to that little voice
that's in her ear, literally,probably, because he's probably
using like a transmitter, if Iremember correctly, to tell her
to do you know, you need to dothese things, you need to betray

(30:47):
the Titans.
They're not actually yourfriends.
I'm the only one who caresabout.
Okay that sort of.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Thing.
Again reminding me of someonethat we used to talk about.
We used to talk about, I mean,that we used to know.
But also it's really funnybecause, um, when you said
transmitter, I remember you knowhow, in the end, where she was
wearing that Uniform and allthat shit, and I'm like yo, like
, first of all, she's tellingyou, um, this, you got this dude

(31:14):
telling you, uh, who yourfriends are, who's not your
friends and all the other shit,and he's basically telling you
what to wear and shit.
And I'm like yo, this guy'sgrooming her.
Yeah, that's literally what itis.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
He's grooming her so gross.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, I was like and you're we're really lucky that
the tv show didn't go as far asthe comic books did, because
that would definitely be like,yeah, that is like grooming
territory, yeah.
But uh, was there anything else, uh to Raven's arc that you

(31:53):
want to talk about?

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Um, I think I covered everything specific that I
wanted to say, but yeah, justone of those that was one of the
main things even when I wasyounger I noticed was the
parallels between her and Taratrying to do very similar things
, but they ended up having verydifferent results and Thankfully

(32:15):
, raven was able to see that herfriends really wanted to take
care for, even if it took sometime for her to To to learn that
sort of thing.
But yeah, that's all.
That's all I have about Raven'sarc got.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Ah, I was gonna mention cyborg, but it's like
you know, basically, um, brotherblood just had like an
obsession with his technology.
That's about it.
Uh, other than that, withcyborg, his main deal was being
half man, half machine.
Um, it's one thing to where youhave to deal with, like
prejudice and whatnot, being ablack man or a black person or a

(32:52):
person of color, um, regardless.
But um, it's like he also hadto deal with the fact that he's
half machine.
So it's almost like let's getused to the fact that people go
and just look at him or treathim differently, but not with
the Titans and other folks,obviously.
But um, that was his mainstruggle.
It's like, um, his dualitybetween being a man and being

(33:15):
part machine as well.
Kind of like with the um, umandroids, you know in dragon
ball z, to where it's like yeah,17, 18 or technically cyborg,
and even though we grew up withthem you know, growing up with
the z fighters, you know 18,having a kid by krillin and

(33:36):
whatnot, and Even though, yeah,they still have reproductive
organs and all that, and I'mjust thinking like, fuck, like I
Still forget that y'all arestill androids.
Like it's also weird how theydon't go by their actual names
now that they're not under thedroids control, like lapis and

(33:56):
lazuli.
That's their real names online.
I'm kind of surprised theydon't go back to their original
names.
But that's beside the point.
Uh.
Point being is like uh cyborghaving his struggle with uh
being a Half man, half machine.
Um, do you have anything to addon that?
Because you know you've beenOut for most of the reviews, I'm
figure, while we still have youon, I know you're fine, um.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I thought that one of the Most interesting things.
I don't.
I can never remember thatepisode as part of that season,
but you know when the there'sthat episode of um, that guy how
, I can't even remember what hisname is, but he comes to the
Teen Titans, he comes to earthand he found you find out like

(34:44):
he hates tamarani and stuff likethat.
Oh, and so he he calls he callsstarfire a truck and you know
we end up finding out that itmeans she.
Everybody else thought it meansnothing.
Like oh yeah, it doesn't meananything, but it's like no, they
literally mean nothing.
Like they think tamarani andyou're like the lowest of the

(35:05):
low, like we're, we're um, um,where pieces of shit, like
nobody cares about us, and so itjust makes me.
It reminds me of that partwhere Starfire is like you know
what it feels like to be.
You know what it feels like tolike have people judge you by

(35:26):
your appearance.
And then Cyborg goes yeah, I'mhalf machine and I'm like yeah,
not the other obvious part.
Like I remember thinking thatwhen I was like eight or nine
years old, I'm like I thinkthere might also be another
obvious part to this, but okay,I'm calling it.
Yeah, I'm like I guess this is akids show.

(35:47):
They can have the same message,but maybe not hit the nail on
the head exactly.
But I was like he's also black,but yeah, he is also half
machine.
And just the fact that Cyborgwas like yeah, of course I know
what you're talking about.
I'm half machine.
People judge me by myappearance all the time and then

(36:09):
let's see.
There's another part, I think,where Cyborg is talking to,
where he's talking to Raven, Ithink, where she's like no, I'm
so weird.
And it's like he says Starfireis from space, baseboy is green.
I'm half metal.
You fit perfectly fine in thisgroup of friends.
Like I don't know why you'rethinking that you don't fit in.

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Like the only person who's, Iguess, remotely normal quote
unquote is Robin, but it's justbecause he's just plain human.
But he's still got trauma likethe rest of them.
I mean, he's Dick Grayson, sohe had to deal with his parents
dying at a young age and thenhim being taken in by Batman,

(36:52):
which is a whole other differentthing.
So I'm like they all fittogether pretty damn well.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Pretty well, yeah, so that's what I was making a
whole point in Previous parts ofthe Teen Titans review to where
, essentially, there were agroup of lost and confused kids
trying to find themselves andtry to find a family that they
can fit in with, and they allpretty much have the same thing
going on to essential elements,but different shades of it.

(37:21):
So that's pretty much what thebeauty of it is where they found
family within themselves,within the team.
And, oh man, like the truckepisode we made a whole point
out of that one to where,essentially, starfire was on the

(37:41):
sideboard Don't you ever callme that and I was like whoa,
hold on.
I thought he said he meantnothing.
Like no, no.
Literally it means nothing.
And essentially, once all therest of the Titans caught wind
of it, they were like oh hell,no, like you're not gonna talk
to Starfire like that, like Imean, because we didn't know
what the word meant it's likeokay, well, if Starfire seems

(38:07):
cool with it, then I guess itmeans nothing.
But like no, no, no, she's justbeing real cool about it, even
though she knows that value orwas being very offensive, and
that's what I love.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
That's basically a slur bro.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, it's like an intergalactic slur.
So what else?
Oh well, I think there was likeanother point I was gonna make,
but just for saving time, let'stry to move on with the rest of
the episodes of season five.
Episode six this is the onewith Cole and Gennart.

(38:49):
You know, the girl that cantransform her whole body into
this crystal, and Gennart ispretty much swinger around like
a club.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, it was a okay episodeLike basically yeah, this one
doesn't really stick out to mesuper like a lot.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, I mean yeah, like really, the first two
episodes okay, obviously, ofcourse, three through six, it's
like okay, well, it's something,it's not bad, just something in
between before we get to thelater half of the season, which

(39:34):
we're about to get into rightnow.
Episode seven, hide and seek.
This is the one where Raven hasto pretty much babysit three
young superheroes Melvin, timmy,tantrum and Tether to this
monastery to avoid interferencefrom Monster Mala and the rest
of the Brotherhood of Evil.
And you know Raven's on pagesbeing wearing thin dealing with

(39:58):
the kids, but Cook guys who havesome notes on this.
But before I get into those,can I only be having on episode
seven.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Just the main part is just interesting, excuse me,
interesting seeing Raven dealingwith like kid, I guess heroes
or just dealing with kids ingeneral.
So she's basically having tobabysit them, like you said, and
just bringing them along, andit's like a different range of
emotion because we've seen herhave like annoyance with like

(40:35):
Beast Boy acting like a literalkid.
I think Beast Boy in thisiteration of the Teen Titans I
think he's chronologically theyoungest, I think Cyborg might
be the oldest, but so she's usedto like dealing with like
people who are immature, butit's funny like literally
watching her dealing withchildren.

(40:57):
So I guess that's just like.
My favorite part is just seeinglike another, like different
side to Raven and like seeinghow they like flesh out her
emotions and who she is as aperson.
That's my main note, though.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Gotcha, gotcha.
Yeah, that was the main thing.
Aside from, you know, when youfind out that Melvin's Teddy
Bear was actually real and thefact that this bear is so good
at stealth that Raven, eventhough she can detect people on
you know like detect emotionsand whatnot she had no idea this

(41:37):
bear was even there.
So that's crazy, and on top ofthat this bear was so huge,
you're like wondering how thefuck did this bear fit in the
train?
So that's why, other than that,it was okay episode.
Now.
Funny enough, with CookieGuys's notes, it wasn't episode

(41:58):
seven.
He mentioned this, it wasactually episode six, but it was
a typo.
Basically with the whole thingwith Cole and Gnark.
It's unavailable on Mac orAmazon Prime Video due to the
fact that the young girl, cole,being with a caveman and they
living together, it felt like itpushed a little bit of two

(42:20):
issues.
You know, it's like, eventhough it was totally baton,
it's almost like I don't knowyoung girl with Nyanthro Kageman
.
It doesn't look right.
That's what they were probablythinking.
I was like, okay, well, Ididn't think of it that way, but
then again, what do I know, Iwas a kid back then.
Episode eight okay, this is theone where Kid Flash is

(42:48):
introduced and the way they gothis dreams on YouTube mentioned
him like Shadow Tim, by the way,where they did like a tier list
or like who's the strongestTitan.
They think that Kid Flash isthe strongest out of the
honorary Titans mainly because,you know, with him being a

(43:10):
speedster.
But it's not just about beingsuper fast, it's about
accelerating his molecularstructure to where he can face
walls and create these fourtexts of wind and all that, all
that shit.
So that's what made Kid Flashso OP amongst the main other
Titans.
That's gonna be in this seriesand it's really funny how that

(43:32):
he was introduced this late intothe series.
But then again, if he came alittle sooner then people would
probably wonder whoa y'all.
Kid Flash was too busy doingsomething about this, but
essentially with episode eight,while the Titans were away from
Jump City, the hype decided tocause panic, but Kid Flash is

(43:56):
basically busted up the wholeshit.
So with Titans East it's almostlike damn, like Kid Flash can
pretty much do your job fasterthan the whole team of people.
But that's about it for episodeeight.

(44:16):
Episode nine, revved up Okay,this one I won't have much to
say on it, but it's basicallyabout how this one person, ding
dong daddy okay, name goddamn.
Anyways, Steel's a briefcasefrom Robin that contains his
most prized possession, andRobin, the Titans and a bunch of

(44:40):
villains are trying to get toit, including Reddx, and
essentially they never revealedwhat the item was.
But that's kind of why I likeabout cinematic storytelling,
where it seems like the factthat you may not know what's in
the briefcase, but it's aboutthe fact that it's a musloffin.

(45:05):
It's kind of like in PulpFiction where you know John
Travolta open up the briefcase.
You never know what it is, butyou can imagine that it's
something interesting.
Yeah, that's where I think.
Moving on to episode 10, and Ibelieve look y'all, so we had

(45:25):
some notes on this one.
Yup, he does.
He said that episode 10 hadreally great moments with the
intro of the Teen Titans and howthey came together.
Okay, remember when you weretelling me about cyborg, you
know, dealing with being halfman, half machine.
Even though this was before histime, it doesn't help that he

(45:48):
was wearing a hoodie too.
Ah yeah, yeah, because, if youknow, with history in the past
10 to 13 years, yeah, there'sbeen a lot of BLM going on about

(46:08):
that and it's just kind ofalmost like a foreshadowing of
how, yeah, some people are gonnabe misjudged by the way they
look.
I also like how, withThoroughfire, she was like at
first, the villain in this one,because you know, she's being
from um Outspace and this prettymuch tells the origins of the

(46:33):
Titans she escapes capture fromthe Gordianians and Lands on
earth, causing mayhem for thetown.
Uh, the rest of the Titanstried, uh was just Funny enough,
they were just in the rightplace at the right time and they
were trying to calm her downand all that's it.
And then, uh, robin was tryingto communicate with her, but she

(46:55):
was only speaking in Tamerani.
I was like, uh, I don'tunderstand you.
And then you know, uh, startright, kiss them and it's okay,
gained her language.
And it's really funny too,because I think that was the
moment where that kind of maderobin sprung, because he,
because it was like, oh, whoa,hi, you know.

(47:17):
It's like, oh, well, um, yougot to take responsibility for
what you've done now, oh, butjump, jump a little bit into
trouble in tokyo.
They go to tokyo.
They were like, okay, we don'tknow the language.
So starpara was like, yeah, letme go kiss this one guy.
And Okay, now I know japaneseand robin philson type of way.

(47:40):
And it kind of remind me of um,you know Spider-man 3, to where
uh Mary Jane got mad at peterfor kissing wince daisy the way
uh they kissed in Spider-man 1,but meanwhile Mary Jane did the
same thing to fiance dude inspider-man 2.

(48:01):
So what's he talking about?
But again, it's like to be fairin starfire defense.
That's just how our way tolearn new languages.
So, oh, if you caught feelingsfor her just because she was
just trying to learn a newlanguage, then I'm sorry, dude,

(48:23):
but that's on you.
But then again you're lucky itstill worked out.
Where was I?
Um, do you have any notes onEpisode 10, like how they met up
in all this shit?

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Um, Um, it was mainly just that part about her having
to like um kissing robin tolearn, or I guess not.
Maybe not learn, but it's kindof like the Universal translator
.
Like I know that um, star lordUm from Guardians of the galaxy

(49:00):
also has a universal translatorso he can literally talk to any
being or anything like that.
I think I can't remember ifit's like a chip that's in him
that he got from the ravagers,but it kind of reminds me of
that, of just being able to.
It's like, how does this normalperson or I mean Starfire is
from tamaran but how can this,how is this normal person able

(49:22):
to just understand all of theselanguages all of a sudden?
And so they're like oh wait, asecond, we need a little piece
of um, a little piece of lorewhere their background, so it
makes sense that they can talkto people.
And so it's literally just likelittle goofy stuff like that Um
.
So I thought it was reallyfunny that they included it as a
kiss and of course, robin'slike whoa, that means a

(49:45):
different thing on earth.
What are you doing?
And she goes I'm just acquiringyour language.
I can't Speak English, I haveto learn it somehow, so that
that's just the the goofiest,funniest part of it.
And then I like the fact, too,that this is like it does show
us Finally I mean, like we'reinto like the last season we're

(50:07):
finally seeing how the five ofthem come together and start to
work together as a team.
I think, like at the end, youknow, like there's a lot of the
um tag team attacks that they do, and they're working together
like they're Joining theirpowers, doing whatever, and they
have a plan.
So it's really nice to see howthe team Finally came together.

(50:28):
Well, you would have felt like,okay, maybe this should have
been like an earlier episode,like why did you wait until like
the fifth season that wasn'teven gonna be made to tell us
how they came together as a team?
You know.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
I don't know, I guess , um, with, like, like we just
said, if you was like seasonfour, uh, if y'all ended it on
season four, it would have beenfine, like, even if, um, beast
boy and Starfire never got theirown like season, go on.
But, to be fair, just kind offelt like season five was one of
those things.
We're okay, well, it's stillpopular, so let's just keep it

(51:08):
going.
But at the same time, by thetime they were working on season
five, they were told, uh, okay,we're gonna have to pull the
plug on the whole thing, butthey came back with a movie To
tie up the.
Well, I'll get to it when weget there.
But yeah, like, for the mostpart, it just felt like season

(51:29):
five was just something to do.
Um, but let's get into theselast three episodes.
Uh, koki gatsu said that episode11 and 12 should have been a
two parter, but it was also agreat Uh, avengers assemble kind

(51:50):
of thing.
You know, uh, all the villainsfighting, all the young
superheroes, like we get pantheb, mozzie minnow I mean, yeah,
mozzie minnow's um, even thoughthey were split up because, um,
brother of the evil plan, um,the guy herald and jereco, and

(52:10):
the funny thing about jereco isthat he is the son of
Deathstroke, well slayed in thisuniverse, uh, but instead of
just being introduced as umslays son, you know he's already
hero and he's pretty muchworking with the titans.
So I was always kind of curiousWere they going to ever Mention

(52:33):
that part?
But I guess not.
Uh, not the way they entered uhended the series.
So I I guess that's never gonnabe the series canon.
But yeah, uh, for the most partit just seems like okay, titans
the main titans return.

(52:53):
Uh, brother of evil launchedtheir final attack.
Uh, they split up the titansand Beast boy leaves a small
group of honorary titans to uhrescue the rest of the teen
titans and the doom control andultimately freeze them all from
being frozen by the brain.

(53:15):
And you know, this big fightbreaks out.
Kit flats and jinx shows up asa couple.
Uh, you know it's funny, uh,people saying that they were
trying to ship cyborg and jinxtogether, and I was with it at
first.
But as soon as bubble beshoulder, I was like, okay, well
, um, I don't think.

(53:37):
I think cyborg can move on, Ithink you move on.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, I think, uh, even in the I will admit, I
would watch teen titans gowhenever it would come on and
stuff like that.
When I still had cable over it,like my parents house and
everything I think they had jinxgoing for Cyborg for a decent
part of it until they introducedkid flash, and then I think she
got interested in him.

(54:02):
So at first I was the exactsame way.
I shipped jinx and cyborg andthen it switched to cyborg and
bubble bee because I'm likeshe's perfect.
I mean she, because I thinkwhen they introduced her she was
infiltrating Hive as well, yeah, and so I feel like the two of
them have like a really, reallygood understanding of each other

(54:23):
.
So I now I'm like, okay, well,maybe jinx and cyborg is okay,
but but cyborg and bubble beeare definitely the better couple
out of the two.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, it's like saying, if you watch Naruto and
if you ship Naruto and sakura,it's like, yeah, at first we
were kind of hoping for that.
But when you see that Hinatahas feelings for Naruto, it's
like, oh well, if it doesn'twork out with sakura, like a bro
, you got another option wayover there.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Uh, it's just, I was never a person who ever shipped
Naruto and sakura.
I always liked Hinata andNaruto, right, because I liked
the idea of the shy girl gettingthe loud rim rimbunctious guy,
even though, you know, it tookhim what?
Three, four years to realizethat she liked him, because he

(55:16):
finally acknowledged it whenthey were like 16 during the
pain war.
So you know, and then I always,I also always like Sasuke and
sakura and I got so much shitfor it.
Where other people are like no,it's Sasuke, you know, I'm like
that's disgusting, that's noteven right.
So I've had to deal with allthose shipping, wars and stuff
like that.

(55:36):
Growing up, I'm just like Now,now, look, now, look, what's
canon.
Okay, so let's see, look whowon.
It's me and they actually goreally, really well together
right.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Like me, personally, I always ship Naruto Hinata
together anyways, because, youknow, with the very first
episode they made it obviouswhere Naruto trying to do the
clone juu suu you know he'sgonna fail, but he not.
It was like do your best,naruto, and I was like, yep,
that's the one right there.
Uh, so, episode 13, thingschange.

(56:19):
Oh, this is the one.
So cooking got to me a goodpoint in his nose to where,
essentially, this is how, when,when.
No, it also not only does.
This episode kind of touches onaddiction to the past and our
struggle to move on, but it alsopays a little homage to 50

(56:41):
first dates.
But it's like, essentially,here's, here's my theory.
My theory is that, when thingschange, um, the titans return
from their adventures fightingoff the evil.
Um, they find out that Terra isout and about and these boys
trying to find her, draw hermemory of things and all that

(57:02):
stuff.
But he fails and ultimately shetells him that she isn't the
hero that he thinks she is andthat things aren't how he
remembers them and that shecan't be friends with him again.
Now, keep in mind Can't befriends with him again.
So she, she had her powers andshe had her memories, but

(57:27):
Remember what we just talkedabout with season two, to where
essentially she was adouble-aided the whole time.
So yeah she.
They thinking that she's theirfriend, but she's thinking I was
never really your friend thewhole time.
I was just using all to destroyy'all from with them, because
this one guy was Impressed at me.

(57:48):
But with all that being overwith, I just don't feel like
you'll, I don't feel comfortablebeing your friend after all of
that.
That's the thing.
I'm trying to protect you, butpushing you away and that's
that's why I was saying, withthe whole hedgehog dilemma, to
where it's like it sometimes,that's not keep people at a
distance to protect them, notbecause, oh, suddenly I just

(58:11):
don't like you anymore.
No, no, no, yeah, but you haveany notes on episode 13?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Well, I was gonna say that actually brings up a good
point where it's.
I Want to tack it.
I want to talk about attack onTitan, but I know what happens
in the end and there's like amonth before they showed this,
the series finale.
Do you know what happens at theend of attack on Titan?
I don't want to like givespoilers, but like I Do, but in

(58:46):
case anybody Happens to changethis.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry .
Okay, but hey, listen, we aregoing to attack on Titan on
extreme review later on thisyear.
So by the time that happens,they should already be in a no
and we can talk all about itthen.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Okay, cuz there's.
There was a parallel that I wasgonna bring along with this,
talking about with Tara and thehedgehog dilemma, so I will just
say that there is an instanceof that, I believe, in Attack on
Titan that gets revealed moretowards the end, but I'm not

(59:26):
gonna say exactly how it is orwhat exactly that it means or
anything like that.
But it definitely reminds me ofLike the same circumstance of
like you know, don't I, I couldhurt you, even if I don't want
you, even even if I don't wantto excuse me, you should stay
away.
And so I don't know.

(59:46):
There's always that part of methat when she said you know I'm,
I Was never actually yourfriend, I was just trying to
trick you guys, that sort ofthing.
There was still a part of methat like she's like why would
you say that?
That so mean to say that to bespoiled, cuz he's honestly
always thought the best of youthat I, I could see how much

(01:00:07):
that that would hurt him.
So I still feel like, even tothis day, she's still saying it,
or she said it to protect him.
So she would just, so he wouldjust leave her alone and so she
could like try to get on withher life or anything like that.
But I Don't know, watching itwhen I was a kid it was really
hard because I'm like what doyou mean?

(01:00:29):
Like you never liked him.
He were obviously getting alongreally great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
But I mean, I guess there's just such thing as
acting and being a double agentand making it convincing so that
that always, that part alwayshurt me, for it hurt me for
these boy right and Me is likeat first I didn't fully
understand, but over time I wasthinking, yeah, okay, and now I

(01:00:56):
see why she Doesn't want to,like associate with him, mainly
because it's not because shedoesn't want to, but because it
just for his own good, and alsobecause, like she just said, I'm
not the hero that he thinks heis.
Things aren't how he remembersthem, because it's like, while

(01:01:21):
he's thinking of it, while theTitans were thinking of it in
one way, tears, thinking of itin a different way to where I'm
like, uh-huh, like we just got awhole different perspective on
our whole dynamic, so just bestto just leave each other alone.

(01:01:41):
What else about this other thanthat With this episode, uh,
people were saying that, okay,ended on a cliffhanger and it
was setting up events, war,trouble in Tokyo to where it's
like, okay, well, if you're notsatisfied with the way we ended
things, at least there's a movie.
But Back in, when I was talkingabout the season one review, I

(01:02:06):
was saying that maybe people aremissing the point of why they
Did it the way they did, becausekeep in mind that when they
were just about to get startedon season five and maybe a sixth
season.
They were told that the seriesgot canceled.
So the the fact that theytitled this episode things

(01:02:26):
change just goes to show that aThings change.
We thought we were gonna do asixth season, but I guess not,
so we have to pretty much endthe series on a cliffhanger.
Oh, because you know, we had tolike move on, and that's in a
way, it's like you watch DragonBall Z bridge, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I watched a lot of it when I was younger, like when
it first started coming out.
But like I don't know what'sgoing on in the series anymore
or I haven't had like arefresher in a long time, if I'm
gonna be honest, well, that'sokay, I'm not gonna make any
references exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
But the thing is, once they finish these sales
saga, they had to stop doing itBecause they kept getting these
season.
This is orders from toyanimation because apparently,
even though they kept doing it,in every episode, copyright
disclaimer, a check out theofficial release.

(01:03:32):
We're not trying to, you know,play drugs, anything like that,
but apparently that a bridgeseries was so good that people
would go back.
If they want to like get arefresher on at least these same
saga the freeza saga, the salessaga they can just go back and

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watch Dragon Ball Z bridge andthey like boom, just like that.
But it's almost like sayingthat with toy animation, like a
man, we know you're not reallytrying to do all that, but
you're still kind of derailingpeople from watching our
official release, even thoughy'all made Dragon Ball Z Kai and
like give me, y'all know allhow drawing out your whole

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series is.
So can you blame it for wantingto like get the whole saga's
and like a Digestible chunk?
You know I mean.
So I Kind of stand for.
The whole point of that is, eventhough there was legal reasons
why they had to stop, they madea video saying that spiritually,

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they thought, okay, well, itjust wore the best to just end
it right here.
So that's kind of what I likeabout with this episode right
here to where, even thoughBehind the scenes there's good
reason why we're not gonna keepgoing with more episodes, but
the way they ended it there waslike, okay, we acknowledge that

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things are changing, so let'sjust give you this Symbolism
here, so that way y'all knowyeah, we're moving on.
Sorry, but Once we're done withthis, we're done.
So we just might as well justend it on a bitter sweet note, I
guess.
Yeah, yeah um, was there anynotes that you want to add it on

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to this series?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
for now here, Um, I can't think of anything else
that we haven't already, that wehaven't already talked about.
So I feel, I feel pretty good,gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Gotcha Alrighty.
Uh well, that is it for seasonfive.
Um, by any chance, do you havea little bit of time to talk
about trouble in Tokyo?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Do you want to go ahead and talk about it now?
I wasn't sure if you were gonnatry to do another episode of
Like a separate episode.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Oh well, considering with cookie guys to and
professor took on being out, Iwould say, okay, we'll do an
epilogue party and we would havethem back and hopefully, and
hopefully.
Um, the technical difficultieswill be worked out by then and I
could just pretty much getthere to sense on season five

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and the movie as well.
But at least with you I knowwhat your schedule.
I feel like if there isn't abest time to do it, it would be
now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Okay, yeah, no problem, we can go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
All right.
So trouble in Tokyo,essentially after the events of
the season five finale.
Uh, the Titans decided thatthey got attacked by a Japanese
ninja named psychotech.
They captured him anddiscovered that psychotech is
sent by a man named brush yourgun before he mysteriously Vans
his after triggering the towers,fire sprinklers.
So they decided, you know what,let's go ahead and go to Tokyo

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and try to search out for abrush your gun and figure out
why the fuck did you Send yourninja to attack our town?
And upon arriving there,overcoming the language barrier
and fighting a gorgolite, um,giant reptile, you know, kind of
like a Godzilla knockoff and wewere just talking about with
starfire um had to kiss hisrandom dude just to figure out

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the language.
Uh, the titans eventually meetthe Tokyo's own supernatural
defense force, the Tokyotroopers, led by commander
Uehara Daiso.
Uh, when they were questionedon brush your gun, daiso claimed
that the brush gun is nothingmore than an urban legend.
Left with no villain to pursue,the titan decided Just enjoyed

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Tokyo.
While they're there, uh, robinthe starfighter decided to go on
Tokyo towers, spread theirfeelings with each other until
Robin starts to focus on Brushyour gun again and declare that
they cannot be anything morethan heroes.
Upsetting starfire, and she waslike well, I kind of wish we
can't be more than just heroes,you know, like why can't we be

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more than friends, robin?
Uh, you remember that that oneepisode stranded, uh, where
essentially they got like splitup, um, fighting this one
monster, and starfire, uh, well,cyborg was trying to tease
Robin, calling starfire hisgirlfriend, and Robin was like

(01:08:23):
she's not my girlfriend, uh,even though she, his heart was
pounding and all that shit.
And then Starfight got mad andwas like oh, I'm not your
girlfriend, I'm not your friend.
Like, oh, I can't talk aboutthis right now.
And I was like well, if I'm notyour girlfriend, then what am I
?
I was like we can't talk aboutthis right now, so I got down

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and I'm sorry, but I like thatepisode because, even though
starfight had gene withconfusion for that moment, it's
the implication of it to whereyou know how, like I was telling
cookie guys to and professortook in the last part where you
know how Sometimes there mightbe situations, ships or friends

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with benefits that you'refooling around with and at one
point one or the other gone bealive.
So what are we?
And then the other one's like,uh, it was kind of like that.
So now in this movie it's becomevery clear that they both have
feelings for each other.
But they were thinking like, ohwell, you know, we're heroes,

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we don't got a time for all that, but, um, obviously that that's
not true.
I mean, come on, like you'veseen young justice, you've seen,
um, teen Titans versus the Jets, teen Titans versus the Justice
League, you know, when they'rejust forming and basically
Nightwing and starfight wasalready in a relationship, you

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know it's gonna happen, it'sgonna happen.
So In bed, getting a loan robinside to Go out and about, and
he got attacked by psychotechand he fights psychotech and
ends up pummeling the ninja intothe ground and when he doesn't
get up, uh, the ninja by the way, robin has been apprehended by

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Diozo for assumably killing him.
But Elsewhere, starfightersapproach and confronted by this
little girl, which helped herovercome her depression and make
her realize that, despiteearlier robin's earlier
objections, their romanticfeelings for each other are
mutual.
And just when she comes to thisrealization, uh, the mayor of

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tokyo decided to announce thatrobin's arrest and orders that
all other teen titans musteither turn themselves in or
leave tokyo.
So starfight decided to callthe other titans, make a regroup
, but brush gun sends out allthese minions to uh destroy the
titans.
Meanwhile robin was beingtrained for to a more secure Uh

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facility.
With this little paper bearingthe name brush gun fits into the
armored car, uh, carry him andbasically Bust open the armored
car, letting robin escape.
And before I go any further, Ilike how, with the villains it
was more like, okay, you hadlike this shadowy dude, I kind

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of look like raven, but it hadlike a little no mask.
Uh, you have the, the robotwith the multiple arms, kind of
like that doctor octopus kind ofdeal going on, the cat girl and
the blue boy.
That was like saying Sayonaraor konichiwa and all that this
shit.
So in a way it was like havingtokyo Brush gun version of the

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titans, and I guess psychotechis the robin of the pipe.
I just let the unparallel tothat.
Uh, but anyways, where was I,robin, clocked the identity of a
shinjuku mugger, you know.
Basically, um, robin was aboutto get mugged, but robin was

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like Calling the ambulance butnot for me and then just took
the robin's clothes andbasically running around
collecting information aboutbrush gun, and brush gun is in
fat reel.
He eventually was founded by uh,well, robin was founded by the

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tokyo troopers, which led tothis whole car chase with him on
his motorbike.
Uh, robin was surrounded by thetokyo troopers.
We thought it was all overuntil robin decided to put his
hands up.
And he wasn't really puttinghis hands up because he's a
surrender and he was putting hishands up because he knew that
starfire was by the swoop downand just grab him.
So eventually Starfire takeshim to the shrine and they

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attempt to kiss again and thiskind of reminds me of a high
school to death little bits,where you know uh, takashi and
sayako, you know the blue hairchick.
Uh, they pretty much got it onit at shrine, but this is
slightly different.
But they were about to kiss,but they were interrupted by the

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other Titan is showing up andthat's when raven decides that,
okay, let's break open this bookthat she found on brush gun,
that Brush young was this artistwho dreamed of bringing his
beloved drawing to life.
Using dark magic, he, the spell,ultimately turned against a
young artist and he wastransformed into brush gun,

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where he's just being that paperink capable of bringing any
creation he could imagine tolife, pretty much like side from
All Naruto's, your food and butat least with um brush gun, at
least again like add color tohis creations.
So Suddenly he disappeared,supposedly.
But robin realized that he didnot kill psychotech because he

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was made up of ink made creatureand he was set up to make him
look like a criminal.
So you know, you know how thatmean, where, uh, the
mathematical equations on pop itup in the air.
And then it was like robin hadthat moment where I like, hold
the fuck on, so if psychotechwas never a real person?

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I was set up and they were like, okay, all right, son of batman
, use your detective brain.
Who could have set you up?
But we'll get to that.
Uh, the titans.
They tracked down brush gun toa comic book on factory surprise
, surprise, right, uh, wherethey discovered that brush gun

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was trapped, wire into thiscurse printing press that taps
into his powers and creates theenemies that the titans have
faced.
And it's revealed that he hassent the first psychotech to the
titans to summon them to tokyoin order to stop the real Copa
who enslaved them.
So, in other words, um, thefirst psychotech that was just a

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warning, or more like amessenger to the titans, like,
hey yo, I need your help because, um, this guy, he has me
against his will.
So we find out that thecommander daizo, he was the one
that I was like, okay, we thewhole story with him.
I'm sorry, before I Jump alittle too fast and I need to

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slow it down a little bit Hmm,the deal was daizo, was they
captured brush gun?
But then they realized hey, yo,like it's kind of boring
without him, like Making othervillains because you know
there's like nothing to do.
So, essentially, y'all Forcedthis man against his will to

(01:15:53):
create these minions for y'allto pretty much um apprehend and
whatnot, just so he can keep ajob.
Can you believe that shitcallie.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Yeah, yeah, I.
I can't believe that because Imean, like you said, if he's
doing all this, he's making themonsters and everything it's
gonna make him look good.
So he real he realizes, hmm, ifI keep making brush, a gun,
keep making monsters, I'm gonnabe seen as a hero in tokyo and

(01:16:31):
people will love me.
And so you mean people doanything for like fame and money
and stuff like that.
So it kind of just gets back tothat Idea of you know, people
will do anything to be famous orlike be in the limelight, you
know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Right, so I'm like amen.
Sometimes the villain Is alwaysum what you think it is like
sometimes the villain can belike the hero in disguise.
It's a red herring.
Right, and that's the wholething.
That's what I was gonna mention.
How, basically, there was thewhole red herring in this movie,

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to where you're thinking like,okay, you're trying to distract
me somehow, but, uh, I'm on toyou, but anyways, um, this ends
up where okay, oh, I need toback up in my notes.
Okay, so Dysos drops in on thetitans and forces brush a gun to

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create more minions.
This mass battles ensues, uh,robins fighting Dysos.
Uh, with no options of escape,love, dysos decided to jump into
the ink reservoir, um, anddecided to take control of brush
a gun's magic and transformhimself into this hulking
massive ink and machinery Withbrush you gonna add the center

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of it.
So, as the titans battle, thecreature dies or hurls at them.
You know this kind of like tiedyou final boss type shit and
that's really funny too, Likethere's a man like this movie,
essentially like Getting toplaying a video game and you
just fighting the final boss.
That's what it feels like, uh,basically, um, you know, titan,

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uh, free brush gun.
Uh, dysos lose control of hispower and burst brush the gun
dies peacefully in robins arms,disappaining his powers and
defeating Dysos.
And with the battle concluded,robin and starfire finally
confessed their feelings foreach other to share their first
true kiss.
And later on, robin's name wascleared.

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Dysos was sent to prison.
The titans were awarded medalsof honor by the mayor and the
tokyo citizens for their heroicactions.
Uh, sorry boy, I got all thatfood from that restaurant he was
all eating at.
Um Japanese girl was all overmy boy, beast boy.
You know I love tokyo.

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I was like I feel you, bro, Ifeel you.
Robin and starfire holdinghands confirmed that they became
an official couple.
Uh, beast boy asked robin ifthey have to go home.
But Uh, uh.
Robin was like you know, afterall this yeah, because I was how

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often are we gonna like be kids?
You know what I mean.
You're like your teen, yourteenagers like, uh, how often
you gonna have um free time tojust fool around and shit.
So you know, life is short,have fun.
And beast boy was like hey, canwe go to next?
Uh, to Mexico next time.
And raven was like, no, fuckall that.
And then the credits roll.

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There's this, uh, translatedversion of the japanese theme
song Uh, shout out to puppy, I'ma yumi.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
And that's it.
To like what 10 minutes boat?
You know that's pretty much,but you want to add anything on
to the movie Kelly?

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
I Guess I just want to say that I was happy that
they decided to do just a littlebit more to wrap up the, to
wrap up the movie, because itlooks like so the movie was
released so September 15th 2006,and then so the last let's see

(01:20:34):
and it looks like the lastepisode of the fifth season came
out in mid-January of 2006.
So there was plenty of time forthem to like you're working on,
like this big movie andeverything.
So I'm glad that they actuallydecided to go through with it
and release it, because I thinkI remember during that time I'm
like y'all are just gonna, youknow, and on that cliffhanger I

(01:20:56):
remember being like really upsetbecause I hate it when things
leave, leave on cliffhangers.
So I'm like I need more.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
You can't do this to us.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Yes.
Second of all, how long am Isupposed to wait for this like
like the whole thing again?
Like referring back to attackon Titan, like why are we
stretching out these last likethree chapters and doing like
this little movie and stuff?
We're in season four, partthree of part a, part part one B
or whatever, and I'm like justcontinue on, just just do the

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rest of it.
Why do you need to keepprolonging it for months or an
extra year at a time?
I mean, unless it's like Gonnatake more time and they're
trying to make sure all theanimation looks really, really,
really good.
I could understand that, butI'm like why are we doing season
four, part three, part a, partB?
Like that's the kind of stuffthat makes me crazy, right?

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But I'm sorry go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Oh, I was gonna make a point about a black clover to
wear.
I like how it black clover.
It seemed like they just keptreleasing new episodes Every
week, like they were like doinga force rate year or so, and
eventually it got to a point towhere, okay, they had to take a
break on the anime and the mangawas still going and now they're

(01:22:20):
talking about bringing back theAnime.
So, yeah, it's like kind of asweet middle ground to wear, on
one hand, sometimes when I askfor too many episodes, but it
really depends on the format orwhen you going with this show,
like, for instance, with a darkfantasy story like attack on

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Titan.
Now I'm like Yo, I feel likeit'll be more impactful if it
was kept shorter, because atleast that way it's like it pump
, it packs a bigger punch.
When you like, you keep it likeas compact as possible.
However, if you have somethinglike one piece to wear, the

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whole point of the show is likeit's not about the Destination,
is about the journey, and eventhough it actually is about a
destination, but with the waythey go on about the story is
like just enjoy the journey onyour way to the destination.
So I can kind of respect towhere it makes more sense for
that one to be a long formatseries.

(01:23:27):
So yeah, it's like Sometimes itreally depends on where you're
going.
With this show and with TeenTitans it's one of those shows
where it could have just keptgoing and going if they wanted
to, but Unfortunately didn't andat first we were kind of
butthurt about it.
But Can't be too butthurt if wegot young justice.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Yeah, and that's gonna be sometimes this year
that we're gonna do youngjustice, because I need to
figure out my schedule andFigure out how we're gonna go
about this, like to a pointwhere there's new stuff coming
out and I know Some of thepeople in the inner circle want
to talk about certain things andI'm like, okay, I need to

(01:24:15):
rebalance everything to see ifwe can do some of this stuff.
So, with young justice, I Wantto say it's gonna be somewhere
either in September or Somewherearound the holidays, like

(01:24:36):
November or December.
Like I really don't want to bethat far away, but it really
depends on what reviews we gotCooking up and see, we like move
things around to where we cando young justice all a little
sooner, because I kind of wantto do it, but it is really
depends on what else that needsto be.

(01:24:58):
Get it out there first, youknow.
But yeah, other than that, I'mpretty much content on the
ending of Teen Titans, eventhough, yeah, would it be great
to have a six season, probably,but 20 years from now, I don't
know.
Fam, like you know, nowadays,like you get reboots and

(01:25:20):
retellings of things that Endedyears ago and it's like hit or
miss, like I was telling people,like mutual friends, how I was
telling them.
There's this spectrum now whenit comes to reboots and
retellings, and People were justcomplaining about the one piece

(01:25:42):
live action, where I'm like,bro, I kind of feel you though,
because Not going like, incomparison to the anime, it just
don't look right.
But the point being is that youhave some shows that are
surprisingly great, like try tostampede, and then you might
have shows by Vilma, so takethat, you will um being is that

(01:26:09):
trying to bring a show backafter all?
This time it go one or two wayseither it's gonna be
Surprisingly good, and you knowpeople are one more I'm letting
our real.
We all came up with one moreseason.
It's gonna be either that orSomehow it's gonna be worse than
we hoped.

(01:26:29):
So I always think with TeenTitans it's best, just let it be
what it is, especially with themovies where at least they
tried to like give us a littlemore Satisfaction to the series
ending, because, okay, weunderstand that if you don't
like this bittersweet cliphanger with season 5, episode 13

(01:26:49):
, at least there's a moviethat's canon to the series and
it's like okay, well, is this abetter ending for y'all.
So we're not gonna be likeattack on Titan to where it
ended, the way ending and peoplegot mad about that.
So maybe with the anime theymight do an anime exclusive
ending.
But oh, at least with theseguys they were like, okay, let's

(01:27:10):
just put a movie in, likealright, are we cool now?
But, um, anything you want, addon to the whole series at all.
Cali.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Mmm, nothing else that I can think of.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
All right, all right, um, actually, um, let me just
give like 15 more minutes ofyour time.
Let's go back to some of theseepisodes, like See if I get pick
out some.
Okay, so I got an episode listright here.

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How did you feel about Starfires relationship with her
sister, black fire?
Because keep in mind that withblack fire she shows up on
episode 2 of the first seasontrying to frame Star fires,

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trying to befriend everybody.
You know, it was like the way Itold cookie, I see, in the
first Review to whereessentially, yeah, she was like
laughing at these boys jokes andall that shit.
But sometimes that's amanipulation tatted to where,
okay, just laugh at the jokes onlong enough and then eventually
he's just gonna get comfortablewith me and I can just pretty

(01:28:34):
much take over the whole team onthat way.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
Yeah, um, let's see.
So with Starfire and black fire, I mean I like the fact that
they included some of the Well,yeah, that's the only like
sibling relationship that weactually get, because they don't
show anything for cyborg, theydon't show any of the other

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Robbins or anything like that Ofcourse, during that time and
Teen Titans.
So this is the only likesibling relationship that we can
actually kind of like look onduring Teen Titans.
So I like the fact that theyexpanded that little piece more
and you can kind of understandmore about Star fires background
because the sides Raven,because you know she's the

(01:29:24):
ultimate Well, I probably sayultimate she's one of the best
goth waifus.
So I have a very special placein my heart for Raven and so
Star fires are very, very close.
Second, so, being able to seemore of like her background,
everything was really reallynice growing up.
But Seeing where her sisterprobably I guess like her older

(01:29:49):
sister, I think, black firesupposed to be a little bit
older than Starfire by howeverold, it kind of gets back to
that feeling of when you know wewere kids and stuff for a lot
of people that have siblings.
You're hanging out with theirfriends and everything and then
your older sibling comes andjust because they're older,

(01:30:12):
they're, they seem like they'rereally, really cool and then so
sometimes it feels like yourfriends are shodding to like, oh
, okay, so, whoever's big sisterbig brother, okay, so,
whoever's big sister big brotheris really, really cool, I want
to go hang out with them.
Like it kind of gets to thatpoint of, um, this is gonna be a
really weird comparison, butlike with Ed and Eddie, where at

(01:30:33):
the end you can kind of seeEddie's big brother and he's a
total fucking jackass.
Yeah, really mean.
It kind of gets that pointwhere it's like, okay, well,
yeah, of course, it seems likejust because they're older,
they're cooler.
But no, sometimes they'reabusive pieces of shit and
they're really Manipulative.

(01:30:54):
And I feel like that's one ofthe things where it is for black
fire.
Like black fire didn't do any ofthat stuff because she
Genuinely liked any ofStarfire's friends.
She did it so she can makeStarfire feel isolated, so she
would be more likely to detachherself and maybe, if I guess
like an, a nice added effectwould be Taking over her spot.

(01:31:15):
I don't know if that was blackfire's original plan, from what
I remember, but I know that her.
The specific part of her planwas to make sure that Starfire
Starfire, excuse me feltisolated enough, so maybe she
would leave the Teen Titans andjust be sad and depressed.
Because, I mean, things weregoing okay at first.
Starfire was like I don't knowabout my sister being here Maybe

(01:31:39):
this is, maybe this isn't thebest and so things were getting
along really well and it slowlygot to the point where black
fire was showing her true colorsand You're like oh crap,
starfire's sister is like anactual asshole because she is
trying to I think it was thatshe was trying to frame Starfire

(01:32:00):
for the crimes that she did.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Yeah, because remember the necklace that she
um brought back from this moonthat she was at and she gave the
star fire and made it seem likeStarfire was the one that stole
it.
But the funny thing was is thatthe fact that these Alien

(01:32:23):
police officer was trying toapprehend her.
Robin realized wait a minute.
Black fire said that she gavestar fire that, um, that
necklace from that planet thatyou're speaking of.
So it was black fire that stolefrom your planet and she just
trying to frame our friendsstarfire here.

(01:32:44):
So that's what was pretty muchgoing on.
So not only she was trying toframe on Starfire for crime she
committed, but also, like youwere saying, it was like saying
that if she was got isolated andand Decided, okay, I'm just not
gonna fuck with my friends, orany more.

(01:33:05):
Then if, when she do getcaptured, it's not like, oh well
, it's not like, I have anywhereto go back home to, so I might
as well just Ride it out in jail, I guess.
So that's the very diabolicalplan on black fires.
And it's like not only get herarrested for something she did,

(01:33:26):
but also make her a lessonclient to come back home well,
not Tamarind home, but earthhome.
Ah, oh, what's your otherepisode that I want to talk
about?
I want to flash back to seasonfive.

(01:33:48):
Oh, for some reason, but I'mtrying to think, damn, I do not.
Oh, now remember the Doom Patrol, specifically these boys
relationship with two of them.

(01:34:09):
There is Minto and elastic girl, and no, I'm not talking about
the elastic girl from theIncredibles, even though we
should do a review on those twomovies, because I kind of want
to.
But, um, point being is thatlet's talk family dynamic, since
congratulations to you, kelly,for you know, get your master,

(01:34:30):
you're on your way.
Yeah, okay, so one more weekleft.
But let's talk about familydynamics now.
So you have Minto, who is allabout this Structure, order and
discipline on these boy, but weelastic girl, she's more about

(01:34:54):
nurture, affection andaffirmation, and the thing is
thing is that these two it kindof reminds you that whole mother
father Dynamics where sometimesyou have these two people that
pull opposite, um, parentingstyles.
But ultimately it just leftthese boy a little insecure

(01:35:18):
about himself to wear.
It just seems like, oh well, ifhe's not getting the
Affirmation or the validationthat he's getting from his jokes
or whatnot, basically, whatcookie guys who was mentioning
and previous parts where BeastBoy has a lot of self doubt in
him.
He feels like he had the crackjokes.
That's a coping mechanism forhis insecurities and With this

(01:35:41):
family dynamic that he had towear.
It's like he always have tomake sure that he's on point,
winning surround Minto, but inits most vulnerable point Excuse
me and his most vulnerablepoints he will have elastic girl
trying to comfort him.
Like you will see in thecomments we wear, he would
transform into a fraud, becauseyou know, princess, in the fraud

(01:36:02):
Princess kisses the frog.
You know that deal and it wasalmost like, yeah, it's good to
have both, but at the same timeit was like it was so polar
opposite with the parenting.
It's almost like Minto andelastic girl was fighting each
other on how they should goabout Beast Boy and Beast Boy

(01:36:25):
just not sure what to do.
Is he even doing things right?
And all the other shit.
So do you have any perspectiveon that?
I?

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
I can kind of see where with Beast Boy, like you
said, he he kind of takes, likeyou know, a sun role in the Duke
Patrol, at least in thisuniverse, in this iteration of
it.
And so Elastigirl and Minto aretrying to figure out what they

(01:37:04):
need to do with them.
And you know they ended upeventually, you know, parting
ways and something like that,because they had a big
disagreement about everything,or at least parting ways with
Beast Boy.
And that's when Beast Boydecided to go work with the Teen
Titans, so him kind of justcoming up with these coping
mechanisms, because I think hefelt like he was always like at
the Mercy isn't the right wordhe felt like he always had to be

(01:37:29):
on his like, on his best.
Since he was the youngest, Imean, he broke into the Duke
Patrol's like headquarters andeverything, and Minto was really
impressed.
So and that's when Mintodecided to make Beast Boy like
an official member of the DukePatrol.
But Beast Boy was already reallyyoung at that point.
I mean, like, if he's supposedto be, like you know, 16 or so

(01:37:52):
at this time, he probably didthat when he was like 12 or 13,
really young.
He's having to kind of likelive up to the expectations that
was set up for him when hefirst came in.
So he's like, okay, well, now Ihave to like keep up the
spirits, I have to be really,really good.
I need to impress everybody,and so I still feel like you

(01:38:15):
kind of carry that over to theTeen Titans.
But instead of it being morelike trying to impress like a
mother-father figure or anythinglike that, it's more like okay,
how do I find my space?
What's my role in this familywith Cyborg, raven, starfire,

(01:38:36):
robin?
Because Robin is, of course,you know, the leader.
He's one that makes all the, hemakes all of the choices, and
Starfire is still very much, soI would still say kind of like
the maternal figure.
She's like a big sister figure,at least for Beast Boy, maybe
not, maybe like on the samelevel with Raven, but definitely

(01:38:57):
for Beast Boy, I feel like.
I think Beast Boy is stillprobably like the youngest out
of the group, or I may be justprojecting that onto him because
he seems the most immature,because he's he just acts the
youngest, but he may be the sameage as everybody else, but
whatever, and you know he'strying to fit in, he's trying to
make jokes, with Raven tryingto like lighten up like really

(01:39:17):
dark moments at times.
I mean, there's sometimes wherehe's like cracking jokes during
an episode.
It's like I don't know if thatwas the appropriate time for
Beast Boy.
They could have like taken adifferent second and of course,
he found like a big brother with, with Cyborg.
So he's trying to find his poorBeast Boy has been trying to

(01:39:41):
find his place in the world forthis entire time Because I feel
like he feels I mean we talkedabout it there already kind of
like a group of misfits therealready kind of like all
different, but their family likeworks together Like you know,
like Starfire's an alien, ravenhas her dad living inside of her
head, Cyborg's half metal,whatever.

(01:40:01):
So it still feels like, eventhough that this is the family
that Beast Boy would probablyfeel the most connected to.
Sometimes it still feels likehe's having to like
overcompensate and trying tolike he's having to reassure
himself and others of his rolelike hey, I belong here and I

(01:40:25):
can see a lot of that with otherpeople like in their lives,
with other clients and stufflike that, where they've had to
do that.
They're trying to like figureout exactly where they fit in
this family, either their chosenfamily, the one that they
decide this is who they want tobe with or the family like they
were literally born into, tryingto figure out where do I fit,

(01:40:45):
what's my role in this and whenthat sort of thing gets
challenged or other people kindof like, bring it into
perspective.
It can be a really big point ofwhat's the word?
Trying to find that word.
It brings everything intoperspective.

(01:41:06):
We'll talk about Beast Boy.
I mean we've been talked aboutthis time that, oh crap, I need
to continue doing what I'm doing.
I need to reassure people likeI belong here, because when
that's been challenged it startsto have other people wonder
like does this person actuallyfit in with us?

(01:41:26):
Do we need to do somethingdifferent?
Do we need to keep theminvolved?
And that can cause a lot ofinner turmoil with that person.
So I mean it's nice that wefinally get a little bit of
since this is Beast Boy season,it's nice that we get to get a
little bit of more insight inthe Piz background.
I mean we got to find out alittle bit about what would have

(01:41:49):
happened, I guess, like in thefuture, when he was, I think by
himself he was living in thatcage with, when he was like
being in a circus or somethingright.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
Yeah, that was in future poor telling to where, if
Starfire was gone and everybodysplit up, essentially he would
be joining a circus.
And I was making a joke abouthow it would be funny, because
that's actually smart from thecircus owners point of view,
because why go out and get allthese different animals?

(01:42:24):
We can have this beauty guy tomake all the animals for you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
Yeah right, but yeah, that's my, that's my viewpoint
on the stuff going on with BeastBoy and the Doom Patrol.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
Gotcha gotcha.
What I do like about Beast Boynow that I think about is that
in a way Beast Boy and Robin cankind of relate to each other as
far as like getting theirfather figures approval.
But the only difference is thatBeast Boy at least had a mother
figure to get the affirmationfrom to where with Robin.

(01:42:56):
That's why it seems like for atleast half the series, at least
leading up to season four,episode two, the quest where he
went to Asia, and I'm going tomake a joke about this, but I'm
trying to stay on.
Point Point being is that withRobin it was like he took
himself way too seriously, whilewith Beast Boy, because he was

(01:43:19):
able to get that validation fromElastigirl with his jokes, at
least he can use the comedy as aCOVID mechanism instead of
taking himself too seriouslylike Robin.
But funny enough.
With Robin it's like himgrowing with Batman.
It was like I think the mainpoint with Robin is that no
matter what happens, like that'swhy he's probably taking

(01:43:41):
himself so seriously, that's whyhe's so anal about being a
leader and all that shit.
I think the main thing is isthat he was trying to prove
himself, so that way he'll haveno reason to go back to Batman.
I mean, come on, he got his asskicked by Kotaro how are you
pronouncing his name Even thoughthe dude cheated and all that

(01:44:02):
shit.
And he would think oh man, likeI need more training.
Dude went halfway across theworld to receive training but
didn't even think for a secondthat he could have just went
back to Batman, because you knowhow it is, with Robin
eventually becoming Nightwing towhere his whole deal is, that
he got so tired of dealing withBatman that he just struck out

(01:44:27):
on his own, so that way he canprove that he doesn't really
need to be on the Batman's wing.
And that was pretty much.
That's why I kind of liked thislike Coco Gazu and Tuck made a
point about this during theseason four reviews where, yeah,
like, no matter what happens,this dude is not going back to
that man.
But yeah, like this kind ofbrings me to a good point, to

(01:44:56):
where yo, like I mentioned thisbefore but, ladies and gentlemen
listening, it is moreimperative now than ever that
these kids growing up now growup with positive male and female
role models.
So that's why, Kelly, I'mlooking at you.

(01:45:16):
You know you're doing yourthing with your therapy, but
you're also expecting kids soon.
So I'm like, between you and thehusband, like you got to set
the standard for society towhere it's like we need more
healthy relationships, healthyfamily dynamics, so that way
people can like take notes andkind of put a 180 to the way

(01:45:40):
society is going.
Because you got nowadays towhere, oh, I don't need no man
or don't trust bitches and allthese other sayings that people
saying.
And I'm like, bro, like Iunderstand that y'all are hurt
by your experiences, but I don'tthink the downfall of humanity
and decreasing birth rates isgoing to fix the problem.

(01:46:01):
It's like you need to like findyourself, like you know, take
some accountability for therelationship that you got
yourself into.
You know, sometimes it's notall your fault, but sometimes
you do have to takeresponsibility for some of the
mistakes you may have made.
Like, maybe you ignore some redflags because you know they

(01:46:26):
were all there, was soattractive, they had money and
blah, blah, blah, and you justkind of ignore it, All those red
flags that led up to yourbreakup or your divorce,
whatever.
And I'm like yo.
We got to do better forourselves, that's all I'm saying
.
We got to do better forourselves, if not for only us,
but think about your family,like think about the people

(01:46:48):
around you.
Like we need, like morepositive influences in our
communities because we can't bethis society that's constantly
be ran by assholes, but at thesame time, it's like you know I
was really doing anything aboutit.
It's almost like people add,like they're so powerless to do
something about it that theyjust let the world burn.

(01:47:11):
So, no, like I feel like, ifanything, we need to take
responsibility for ourselves and, you know, set a better example
for other people so that way,you know, we can do better by

(01:47:31):
our future children andgrandchildren and all that shit,
so they don't have to gropeinto the bullshit that we're
going through today.
But you have anything to add onto that before we close this?
Out.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Nope, I can't think of anything.
You hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
That's it.
Alright, ladies and gentlemen,that would be it.
Maybe we'll do an epilogueparty with cookie gods when
stuck, if we're if they'reinterested in talking about
season five and the movie, butfor the most part, I'm feeling
good about all of this and we'regoing to be moving on to other
projects, like we're trying toget our patreon back up on the

(01:48:13):
ground off the ground Sorry, I'mtripping on words now Working
on some things, like somegraphic designs for our
Instagram and other social media.
We're going to be working onsome 3D modeling.
You know, have our own modelsto work with when it comes to

(01:48:34):
the 3D printing that I'm goingto be doing and a lot of other
stuff to make things happen in ahuge way.
But until that day comes, we'rejust going to keep trying to
live every day to the best ofour ability to become the best
version of ourselves in a nerdyway.

(01:48:54):
So until the next episode,ladies and gentlemen, you stay
nerdy and remember that greatthings are coming.
We are zoning out.

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