Vampire Knight: Is It a Better Love Story Than Twilight?

A glittering academy at dusk. Rules that keep two worlds barely apart. One choice that keeps getting harder to make. We dive into Vampire Knight with clear eyes and sharper questions, exploring how romance, power, and tradition twist together at Cross Academy—and why this story still hits years later. We get into the heart of Yuki’s agency before and after her memories return, Zero’s fight against becoming a Level E, and Kaname’s unnerving calm as he steers politics like a grandmaster. The tension isn’t just who ends up with whom; it’s what each character is willing to sacrifice to stay human in a world that keeps insisting they’re not.

We trace the differences between the anime’s moody restraint and the manga’s bolder moves, from marriages and children to memory resets and moral gambits. Along the way, we highlight side characters who actually move the plot, the elegant soundtrack that frames every corridor conversation, and the gothic look that signals meaning with a glance. And yes, we tackle the pureblood problem—the traditions that complicate consent and lineage—which turns a straightforward love triangle into a thorny debate about destiny, autonomy, and the cost of keeping power in the family.

If you’ve ever asked whether Vampire Knight is a better love story than Twilight, we have a nuanced answer. Yuki feels like a person with a spine, Zero’s bond grows from shared danger and duty, and Kaname’s schemes are as fascinating as they are chilling. By the end, you’ll have a clearer view of what works, what doesn’t, and why this series still inspires rewatching and debate. If you enjoy smart deep-dives into anime romance, supernatural politics, and character-driven storytelling, you’ll feel right at home.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_03 (00:01):
What up, gang?
Let's talk about Vampire Knight.
And before we get started, Ijust want to let y'all know that
from now on, I'm gonna try to dobetter at uploading all these
episodes on Patreon first.
So chances are this review andreviews after this is gonna be
posted on Patreon first beforeit actually be released

(00:23):
publicly.
Uh some reviews like the AfterDoris Express is gonna remain
Patreon exclusive.
But that's just what you know.
Like in case you're wondering,like, oh well, it just sounds
awfully late for y'all to bereleasing it now.
I'm like, yeah, well,technically we released it on
Patreon first, and then uhwithout getting into the
details, let's just say there'sa reason why there's a delay,

(00:45):
why it's not showing up on otherchannels.
But, anyways, let's get totalking about Vampire Night and
Semi Phantom.
I do thank you for being on forthis episode because as I
rewatch this anime thinking, youknow, crazy enough, it reminds
me of Twilight like a lot.

(01:05):
But by the end of this review,we're gonna answer the question
is it a better love story thanTwilight?
Now, before we even get into allthat, Sebi, tell me, how you
feeling about Vampire Knight?

SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
This is my shit.
I grew up with this anime.
I have the book, the fan guides,I cosplayed as Yuki.
Like, this is my stuff.
Now I like Twilight, I'm thattype of person, but when my
grandfather gave me Christmasmoney, this was the first thing

(01:45):
I spent it on both DVDs, volumeone and volume two.
I thought I was the coolestperson around.
This is my stuff.
It's crazy, but this is mystuff.

SPEAKER_03 (02:00):
No, I understand.
And in fact, honestly,re-watching it because I say
re-watch because this is one ofthose anime where it was during
my how can I put this my newrenaissance during I I don't
know, it's kind of hard toexplain, but like essentially I

(02:22):
was watching anime since I was avery young kid.
But you know, after high schooland Tonami stopped doing anime
that much, or at least it's likeToonami just wasn't the same
anymore, and it got to a pointwhere if you want to watch more
anime, like there's likethousands of them, you're gonna
have to like go online orsubscribe to Crunchyroll or

(02:46):
something like that.
But that's beside the point.
Uh Vampire Night is one of thoseearly anime where I started my
anime journey to a point whereI'm like, shit, at this point,
I'm like damn near a thousandanime deep.
And when I watched this one thefirst time, I was thinking, wow,

(03:06):
it reminds me a lot of Twilight.
But there's a lot of differencesthat Vampire Knight have that
crazy enough works better thanTwilight.
But then there's this oneelement where I'm like, nah, you
see, even though, yeah, Iunderstand that's just how they

(03:30):
are, but I'm gonna be straightup with you that uh um um um um
um that uh sweet home Alabamashit going on, and there I'm
like you almost had me exceptthe whole brother sister, hey

(03:54):
yo, like let's get together, butwe're related.
Like, I don't care, let's gettogether.
I don't know, because they evensay in the anime manga
themselves, where oh, pure bloodvampires, uh, this is a normal
thing between us, like okay,like if that's a tradition

(04:19):
between pure blood vampires,okay, cool, but that's not the
badge of honor that you think itis when it comes to like
everybody else, everybody'sgonna be looking at you like ah
no fam, like I don't know.

(04:41):
Sorry, but Jesus Christ.
Outside of that, I think thecharacter dynamics was better,
like, because at least forinstance, let's start with Yuki
and Kaname.
Now, Yuki, she's this normallooking girl, like crazy enough.

(05:02):
In fact, you can tell, like,even in an anime like this,
where okay, you have the dayclass, which is human students
going to Cross Academy, thisacademy where they're doing this
experiment where what if we havehumans going to school, but also
there's um these noblearistocratic vampires that's
also attending this school, andwe're just gonna see what will

(05:24):
happen if they like coexist andmingle with each other.
And for the most part, they'renot they don't really mingle,
it's more like okay, day classhappens, and then by the time
it's like sunset, that's whennight class comes from their
quarter, they go on, study, dotheir studies, but all the day
class girls like fawning over,like, oh cocky, oh okay,

(05:51):
whatever, okay.
But um you can kind of make likeyou get this normal-looking girl
where like most of thecharacters you can tell they are
like normal as fuck, but thenyou have the main characters
where you can tell they're uh animportant character because

(06:11):
their eyes, where it's liketheir eyes are like larger
somehow.
Like you watch the anime, andit's like you can kind of tell,
like, okay, you can tell theyput more attention to detail to
the characters that they want tofocus on versus the others do
this.
It's like, okay, they're justnormal, like okay.

(06:32):
But uh Yuki is one of thedisciplinary committee members
trying to make sure that the uhkeep the peas make sure that no
vampires are attacking humans orcausing bullshit, and then you
have Connor, who is like notonly one of those aristocratic,

(06:54):
noble, pure blood vampires, buthe's like top dog at this
academy.
And the thing is, is like he hasa fondness for Yuki, but that's
the whole thing.
That's what makes Vampire Nightso intriguing, to where it makes
you wonder what's going on here.
Like, it makes you want toinvest in where is this going,

(07:17):
you know?
Like it's it was like a mysteryto solve, and pretty much
everything is laid out on thetable by the time you get to
like what episode 18, 19, or so.
When you find out that uh notonly is Yuki Kaname's bro uh
sister, but she's also a pureblood vampire whose abilities

(07:38):
were sealed by her motherbecause apparently her their
uncle.
That's a whole can of worms thatwe're gonna get to in a moment.
Uh let's just say there's likesome bullshit with their uncle
to a point where Yuki's mother,Juri, had to make sure that she
can live, that Yuki can live anormal life as a human.

(08:01):
So she sealed the powers off andwhatnot, made sure that she
doesn't remember all this.
And next thing you know, Yuki'sout in the snow, and Koname
happens to find her.
He knows about all this, by theway.
Uh, he finds her out in the snowand is like, all right, let me
go take you to this guy that Iknow, and he's gonna take you in
and whatnot.
And for the next 10 years, I'mjust gonna be watching over you.

(08:24):
And the thing is, like, Yukilooks up to Kaname like with
admiration and gratitude forsaving her from being um killed
by a vampire, because keep inmind she's a pureblood princess,
so he's gonna be coming afterher.
And then with Konami is likeyou're thinking, like, okay,

(08:48):
there's just something aboutthis girl that I just gotta
watch over, but you find outlater that okay, that they're
related, that's why.
And also, apparently, sincebirth, Yuki was betrothed to
Konami.
Almost like, oh hey, um, this isyour sister, Yuki.
Um, this is gonna be your wife.
When she's grown up improper andwhatnot.

(09:08):
And kind of like, okay, cool,cool, cool.
I'm kind of fucking with y'allon that part, but it kind of did
play out like that.
Like, okay, so you got a sister,but she's also gonna be your
wife in the future.
Okay, okay.
See, that's why when I said whatI said about vampires versus
where it was, I'm like, hey yo,say whatever y'all want, but I'd

(09:32):
rather be one of those firstshedding monstrosities than
this.
I'm like, uh-uh, uh, I don'tknow, I don't know.
And then you have Zero, theother main character, who you
would think he kind of gives offthat Jacob vibe where you know

(09:53):
you think he might be thewerewolf character, but actually
he's just a vampire who was oncehuman, and he's trying to not
only prevent himself frombecoming a vampire, but also
becoming a level E, which islike the worst form of vampire,
where they just they're the onesthat just go on around and just
killing people mercilessly, likesome sort of rabbit animal, like

(10:14):
just thirsty for the nest killand whatnot.
He's trying to prevent himselffrom being that, and he's even
going as far as like keepingYuki at arm's distance because
it's like the more he carrieson, the harder it is to suppress
this vampiric nature that hehas.

(10:36):
Also, something about hisbrother, and there's also the
matter of Yuki's uncle, well,Yuki and Konami's uncle Rito.
And I like how the the wiki whenI was just doing some like light
research, and I was trying to uhfigure out what is Rito's master

(10:58):
plan, like what is he trying todo here?
And I like how the wiki saidbetween Rito and his fiance,
Shizuka, I like how they said,oh well, I don't know, they just
crazy.
They just started tweaking, andnext thing you know, they want
to make it everybody else'sproblem.

(11:19):
I like so you mean you tell methat they didn't have no real
reason for doing all thisoutside of oh well, you know,
vampires because it's gonna bevampires.
Like some of them just gonnawant power, and they just gonna
want to suck as much blood aspossible, and it's mainly
between what's going on withYuki, what's going on with Zero,

(11:44):
what's going on with Rito andTizuka, and how they all relate
to each other.
But uh Sebbie, how you feelabout the characters?

SPEAKER_01 (11:59):
Yuki is your generic heroine.
She is so generic.
This came out in 2008.
So you know she's gotta be themain character because of you
again, her eyes.
You pointed that outimmediately.
She's the main character.
We all know this.
She is so annoying to me.
She's that she's that main, shegives that main character, Mary

(12:20):
Sue.
Like, I'm the best ateverything, I can do sports, I
can do gymnastics, and I haveboth of the famous guys, Kaname
and Zero, after me.
What do you have to offer?
Nothing.

SPEAKER_03 (12:32):
You know what's crazy?
Like, okay, we're gonna compareYuki to Bella from Twilight.
At least with Yuki, she likethat's that's the one thing I
like about Vampire Knight.
At least with the characters,they actually felt like
characters, like even the sidecharacters, not the vampires.
Okay, obviously, the vampireshad like something going on, but

(12:53):
even like uh side characters,like okay, ooh, ooh, you know
what?
To the sound, Bella.
You know how Bella was like,okay, yeah, I like Edward, and I
have like this weird friendshipwith um Jacob.
You know, like they're friends,but it's almost like uh

(13:14):
one-sided, um require love typethings going on, right?
But that's about beside thepoint.
Uh, first of all, I like howwith Yuki, she has his friend
Yori, and at least with Yori,Yuki kind of made sure that she
was like in the mix, you know,like she didn't like ignore Yori

(13:36):
for the most part.
It didn't feel like Yori justgot pushed out of the narrative
as soon as things got seriousbetween Kaname Zero and
everything else going on.
Meanwhile, with Bella, it waslike what pissed me off was New
Moon when Edward decided, okay,I can't fuck with you anymore,

(13:56):
especially after what happenedin the last book.
So I need to keep my distancefor your protection.
She was like, Oh no, I I don'twant you to leave.
And then she just did nothingfor like a whole season.
Like, what was it?
Like the whole uh montage shit,where it's like, and let's pass

(14:18):
it, let's where it's likeSeptember, October, November,
like she was just doing nothing.
And I'm like, bro, bro, bro,like you got friends, hang out
with your friends.
Nah, like that one time wherelike they she finally come back
to the lunch table, like, oh,Bella finally decided to join us

(14:39):
again.
Uh like, yeah, like crazy howthat is.
Like, you have new friends, andit feels like they just got
pushed out of the narrativewhenever Edward or Jacob is
getting involved.
But um, at least with Yuki, shedidn't really ignore Yori, just
more like she was just goingthrough a bullshit.

(14:59):
But at the same time, it waslike she made sure that Yori was
like in the know to an extent,up until you know she left.
It's like she didn't want Yorito know because that's the funny
thing.
Like, Yori, I like what they didwas after Koname converted Yuki
into a vampire.

(15:20):
Uh Yuki tried to explain, ohyeah, I'm a vampire.
Like, hey, shh, hey, you're mybest friend, and that's all I
need to know.
I don't like you know what Yori,you're a real one for that one.
It's like she's like, I don'tcare.
You're Yuki, you're my bestfriend.
This changed nothing.

(15:41):
I like that.

SPEAKER_01 (15:43):
Uh real friendship right there.

SPEAKER_03 (15:45):
Hell yeah.
Uh, second thing, if I were tocompare Yuki to Bella, at least
with Yuki, where you you'rethinking like uh Yuki and Zero,
like, first of all, at leastYuki and Zero, they were actual
friends.
You can tell with their dynamicswhere you can tell they were
like real friends, even up tothe end, where yeah, Yuki had to

(16:09):
depart with economy and whatnot,and Zero stayed behind.
But you know, at least it's notlike Bella's where she's clearly
friend zoning Jacob, and sheeven admits that, yeah, I know
what I'm doing is selfish, butyou know, I kind of need you
when I don't have Edward to umbother, versus Yuki and Zero is

(16:34):
like you can tell Yuki cares forZero as a close friend, and I
like how Zero is like, well, hedon't have romantic feelings for
her.
Or I mean, as far as the animeis concerned, like I didn't read
the manga.

SPEAKER_01 (16:52):
I'm gonna go into that when you're done.

SPEAKER_03 (16:54):
Okay, yeah, I'm thinking like, hold on, like to
be fair, I only watch the anime,so I might think okay, maybe
there's more to it in the manga,but at least with the anime,
it's like came off like okay, atleast he wasn't down bad for
Yuki.
We can at least give him thatmuch.
Can we give him that muchcredit?

SPEAKER_02 (17:12):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (17:14):
Can we can we give him that much credit that he
wasn't down bad for Yuki?

SPEAKER_01 (17:18):
In the anime, we can give him that credit in the
manga.
Oh, I got some stuff to tellyou.

SPEAKER_03 (17:24):
Oh no, don't tell me that.
Oh no, I'll like okay.
At least he had some cool point.
Well, all right, all right, allright.
I'll finish up this.
Uh last thing, and you saidyourself, if I were to compare
Yuki to Bella, at least Yukifelt like her own character,

(17:48):
where you're saying, like, ohyeah, I'm good at gymnastics and
all this other shit.
I got all this other stuff goingon.
I have friends and whatnot.
What do you got?
And then meanwhile, Bella'slike, she has things, but she
doesn't have her problem.
Is she's not her own person.
At least Yuki can say she's herown person, like she has agency,

(18:09):
she can be badass when she wantsto, especially with that fucking
sight.
Like, at least it felt like shedid shit, even before she became
a vampire, where she had theArtemis rod.
At least it felt like she didshit versus Bella.
Felt like she let the plotinfluence her.

(18:29):
But yeah, that's all I have,like, as far as Yuki versus
Bella, to where I'm like, I likeyou.
Say what you will about Yuki,but I like Yuki more as a
character versus Bella, where itfelt like she just was a
passenger in her own body.

SPEAKER_01 (18:46):
Pretty valid to me.
It's kind of the same thing withuh Kaname and Zero.
They're their own person aswell.
You know, Zero's got thatbrooding type of behavior.
Kaname's like, I'm the richbitch in this hood.
I'm the top of this world.
Okay, but let me go to this thismanga.
Oh god.
Oh my gosh, let me go to thismanga.

(19:07):
First off, Yuki really said, I'mgonna have the best of both
worlds.
She go ahead and have a kid withboth of them, Kaname and Zero.
Okay.
She was engaged to Kaname upuntil the very last season.
The the very last of VampireNight, the manga, before they

(19:28):
went to Vampire Night Memories.

SPEAKER_03 (19:30):
But imagine my jaw dropping really hard, like to
the ground.
I'm like, what the fuck are youtelling me, baby?

SPEAKER_01 (19:38):
Okay, okay.
Because there's actually there'sactively Vampire Night Memories.
That's the that's the nextmanga.
It's it's still coming out.
Like the last series is is inDecember.
That's the last uh volume tocome out, yeah.
But all right, so Yugi iscurrently well woman is engaged
to Kaname, and they had adaughter named I.

(20:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (20:01):
Typical.
Okay, like how many times haveyou heard that?
Oh, yeah, like the maincharacters get together and they
decide to name their kid I forsome reason.
I feel like that's been donebefore.
Like, come on.

SPEAKER_01 (20:16):
Oh, yeah.
No, this girl's kind of um kindof like brownish hair, red.
She's that typical Kermanfamily, like she looks identical
to Kaname, but that's besidesthe point.

SPEAKER_03 (20:28):
Well, I hope she looks better than that.
Um what they try to do in pointof light, whereas like they bro,
I was like laughing my ass onwearing that battery on how.

SPEAKER_01 (20:49):
Exactly.
If a budget TV can do it, y'allcan do it.
Y'all have the budget.

SPEAKER_03 (20:54):
Is it like some sort of uh contract legal problem?
I'm like, I'm pretty sure.
I don't know, like well, I guessthe baby.
Well, okay, to be fair, I guessif you say that spared the baby
from forever being cursed, ohyou were that one baby from
Twilight.
I'm like, come on, dawg.
Like, I'm a grown woman.

(21:14):
Like they I wasn't even oldenough to remember that scene.
You're gonna pin that on me.

SPEAKER_01 (21:21):
It's a whole Zack and Cody and Mary Kate and
Ashley scenario over here.

SPEAKER_03 (21:25):
Right.
Like, you just think, like, bro,Cole and Dylan Price, they they
doing shit.
Like, Cole was still doingmovies, Dylan's plant, um,
Yu-Gi-Oh! Like, they they doshit.
I was like, come on, dawg.
Like, they do other shit.

unknown (21:38):
Come on.

SPEAKER_03 (21:39):
Okay, now Mary Kate and Ashley.
I'm like, I don't know, like forsome reason, like they didn't
age that well off of me.
But Lizzie though, Lizzie doingher thing, though.

SPEAKER_01 (21:51):
Yeah, okay.
So Yuki then also has a kid withzero named Wren.

SPEAKER_03 (21:59):
Once again, typical.
I'm like, that feels like okay.

SPEAKER_01 (22:02):
You know, go ahead, go ahead, say Wren looks
identical to her father.
Okay, she's got that, you know,that red eyes, silver hair type
of thing.
Um, if I remember correctly, Renis older than I.

SPEAKER_03 (22:21):
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait.

SPEAKER_01 (22:22):
No, I is older than Ren.
I is older than Ren.

SPEAKER_03 (22:24):
Okay, I'm about to say because it's the implication
that Zero knocks up Yuki beforeher fucking VLAT.

SPEAKER_01 (22:33):
I and Ren were born like 15 years apart.

SPEAKER_02 (22:37):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (22:39):
Okay.
Because I is like 900 andsomething years old.
Okay.
And then Ren is kind of like thelower class.
It's really weird how they putit.
Well, Yuki got married to Zeroin the manga.
Like they officially married.

(23:00):
Kaname was actually there forthe whole vows and everything.
They actually kind of did italmost like a joke because Zero
wanted to basically say his vowsin front of Kaname, like, I got
your bitch.

SPEAKER_03 (23:13):
Bro, that sounds like something you would do.

SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
Like, take that.
I have Yuki.
I know you had a whole kid withthis girl, but you know what?

SPEAKER_03 (23:25):
Nah, see, this is like the Una rebirth card where,
you know, in Twilight, wherelike, okay, yeah, Edward and
Bella are getting married, andEdward, it was Edward's idea to
give Jason the fuckinginvitation out.
Hey, well, no, that we can'tmarry.

SPEAKER_01 (23:41):
That is literally it.
Because at the end, um whathappened is that Kaname awakes,
because spoiler alert, he goesback to being a human.
They reawaken him, and hereawakes as a human with Yuki's
two children at his side, and isleft to explore the human world
without any memories of being avampire, right?

(24:03):
And then at the very lastchapter, Yuki has a daughter
with Kaname, and then a daughterwith Zero.
I it's a lot, bro.
There is so much happening inthe manga that they did not add
to the vampire knight or guilty.

SPEAKER_03 (24:25):
That's what kind of pissed me off about when it
comes to anime and manga, whereit's like, okay, like I said in
previous podcast episodes, theanime, the way I see the anime
is treated more like a companionto the source material.
So the anime is supposed tocompel people to read the manga
because the rich if the sourcematerial is making money, then

(24:49):
there's a good possibility thatthe anime adaptation might get
more confused.
Not because, oh, the manga ismaking sales, but because the
manga is popular.
By popular demand, gotta givethe people what they're looking
for, right?

SPEAKER_01 (25:04):
Just wait till we get just wait till we get to
Black Butler because I have somuch to tell you about that.

SPEAKER_03 (25:09):
You know what's crazy?
Um, as soon as I finishedVampire Night, guess what um
Prime Video song decide what Ishould watch next?

SPEAKER_01 (25:17):
Black Butler.

SPEAKER_03 (25:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (25:19):
I'm not surprised.
That's literally how I went fromone to another, because that's
exactly what happened.
Because this was on Funimationwhen it first all got started.
So I went from Vampire Knight toBlack Butler.

SPEAKER_03 (25:33):
I mean, it makes sense because they both got that
aristocratic, supernatural.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (25:40):
Favorite character, hands down, Hanabusa Ida.
I'm just gonna come out here.
No, I guess he's the best, in myopinion.
I like his pose, I like hisattitude, uh, he is so like
outgoing, but then he is so meanand cruel at the end.

SPEAKER_03 (25:57):
Like, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold
on.
First of all, I like how youjust said that because I
remember the one thing I likeabout Hanobusa was that as soon
as he found out that, oh, Yukiis Kaname's brother, and oh
shit, my bad.
That Kaname is Yuki's brother,and she's a pureblood um
princess, and he switched up sofast that, like, oh, I'm sorry I

(26:20):
was being so mean to you.
Like, oh, and then the crazything is, uh, Yuki was like, uh,
I'm not so used to being youbeing nice to me, just I would
prefer you just call me Yuki orhey you.
Like, why are you actingdifferent?
Like, but if you if that was me,I'm sitting there like, I would
be picking up, I'm just kind ofteasing.
I'm like, oh, I like how you'reacting all brand new now that

(26:41):
you find out that I'm nobility.
But um, outside of that, I likehow Hanabusa is a golden example
of how they pampered in comedyin this anime in a way to where,
okay, you can tell that it'sstill an anime.

(27:01):
Um, at the end of the day, towhere it has the usual anime
gag, you know, the um extendingnose gag and whatnot.
Uh Yuki's dad headmaster cross,being that doting father.
It's like, Yuki, you know, likejust a loving father, just one
of the best words on andwhatnot.
Kind of a little tooaffectionate to where, like, you

(27:25):
know, you try to hug uh Yuki andthen she trying to slide step
out of the way.
I was like, Dad, you're beingembarrassed.
Come on, get yourself together.

SPEAKER_01 (27:34):
Oh you want to know the best part about that
Sanabusa and Ido.
You know how you were talkingabout Yori earlier, right?

SPEAKER_03 (27:43):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 (27:44):
That's his wife.

SPEAKER_03 (27:47):
Are you fucking kidding me?

SPEAKER_01 (27:50):
No, no, in the manga, they actually get
together, and at the end, thecutest, the sweetest.
Oh my god, I was crying.
So she was dying, right?
He had begged her and begged herto become a vampire.
We can live forever and ever andever because they were married,
they had a kid, like, they had agrandchild, like it was great.

(28:14):
And so Yori finally said, Youknow what?
I've had a really good life.
I married you.
We had children, grandchildren,but it's time for me to go.
And she died.
That was so sad.
And that's in the Vampire NightMemories manga that's coming
out.
That was so sad.
I was literally in tears, but Iwas so happy they got together.

(28:36):
Like, they because they only hadin like the actual anime, they
only had like very fewinteractions until Rito attacked
the school.
And then finally, they're like,how hell, hey, Yuki was like,
Hey, help Yuri from HungryVampires, you know.
Like they they they've alreadythey were liking each other from
the second vampire night.

SPEAKER_02 (28:57):
Yeah, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (28:59):
But yeah, that's a that's a little fun fact from
the manga there.

SPEAKER_03 (29:04):
Uh I like how, like, okay, at least Yuri wasn't like
completely like because yeah,even where Vampire Night Guilty
left off where Yuki Kame andsome of the Vampires, not all of
them, like um Sinri and uh Rimawas going after um Ichie Joe

(29:26):
because you know he wasconfronting his father about um
some bullshit.
Like essentially he's one uh doright by Kaname by saying, like,
I may have betrayed you as avampire, but as your friend,
I'll never betray you.
And I'm like, ooh, that's howyou feel easy, bro.
You a real one for that one.

(29:46):
But um, you know what's crazy?
Um flashing back to hip mastercrosses a little bit, it's crazy
how, like, in a way, the dadcharacter is like one uh like
the best character.
Well.
Not the best character, in myopinion.
He's good.
What I mean is, like, he's oneof the best characters, and it's

(30:07):
plain how in Twilight, onceagain, Charlie is one of my
favorite characters because,like, he he's a fairly good dad.
He really tried to make surethat uh he protects Bella and
whatnot.
And it's just kind of sad thathe was just being left in the

(30:28):
dark that his daughter is umvampire now.
But hey, at least he hooked upwith uh that one chip.
And I'm like, okay, that's a dubfor on Charlie.
That's good print, good print.
Uh but Headmaster Cross, okay,being the legendary hunter that
damn near every vampire fear,and I'm like, okay, cool, cool,

(30:50):
cool.
Kind of badass, kind of like um,I forgot um father um Fujimoto
or something like that from umBlue Exorcist.

SPEAKER_01 (31:04):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know what you're talking aboutnow.

SPEAKER_03 (31:08):
Yeah.
Uh where it's like he's like thestrongest around, and he's also
the father of the maincharacter, and like he all they
want is just the best for theirchildren and whatnot.
And like, I fuck with that.
I fuck with that.
Like, good anime dad.
Like, I would put uh Fujimoto oruh I forgot his name, but I'm

(31:32):
sorry.
Uh in that crazy idea.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (31:37):
I took a look.

SPEAKER_03 (31:37):
I thought I was tripping.
Like, I was thinking, like, whatwas his name again?
Was it Fujimoto?
Okay, okay.
I was about to say because Ijust did the review not too long
ago.
Don't tell me I forgot his namealready.
Yeah, okay.
So I got it, I got it.
Cool, cool, cool.
Yeah, I would put Fujimoto andHeadmaster Cross on the tier

(31:58):
list of good anime dad.

SPEAKER_00 (32:03):
Yeah.
I see it there.
Yeah.
I agree with you 100%.

SPEAKER_03 (32:09):
The powers.
Now, they didn't well in theanime.
The powers weren't highlightedthat much.
I mean, you know, ice powers,oh, blood manipulation.
Okay, cool powers.
But Koname, oh man, like I justlike he he proved that he's one
of those OP characters becauselike all the dude had to do is

(32:33):
just um pull up, like slide onsomebody, and then Nefino, fairy
dust.
Like you but uh the Senate wasshowing up, and he was like, Oh,
well, you know, Lord Connor,like we although we're not
supposed to let you get past us,but you are royalty, so it's

(32:55):
like it's kind of a complexionof interest for us, and Connor's
like, doesn't matter, turn todust.

SPEAKER_01 (33:07):
In the manga, he's able to do he can do a lot of
things.
He can kiss any wound and it'dbe healed immediately.
Any non-pureblood vampiresurrender to him.
He can suppression of the samerace, ability to become to turn
a pureblood vampire into human,manipulated pureblood, changing

(33:31):
the physical.
I mean, he literally changedhimself into a baby at one point
in the manga.

SPEAKER_03 (33:40):
That's crazy because like it's almost like this this
dude is like a vampire god, likelike not literally like god, but
like uh godlike powers almost,almost.
Like, he at the very least, he'sdefinitely like a overpowered

(34:00):
vampire, like Jesus, likebecause that's that's a crazy
power set, and of course,there's more like creation of a
new form, erasing memories,telekinesis, all that jazz.

SPEAKER_01 (34:14):
But yeah, controlling Bloody Rose, that
weapon with his voice.
Oh, top tier.
I wish that I had that.

SPEAKER_03 (34:21):
That is cool, like, bro.
Like damn, I just had oh yeah,he's like the superman of
vampires.

SPEAKER_01 (34:29):
Pretty much it's also funny that he also wields
an anti-vampire sword when he'sa vampire, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (34:38):
Yeah, I mean, I'm like, okay, that's fair.
I'm I'm not even surprised eversince with Yuki, like, once
again, with the Artemis rod.
Like, at first, she couldn'twield it, but she was like, fuck
it, we ball.
Like, and besides, uh, there'speople that's in danger, so I
need to do something.

(34:59):
So if it hurts me, whatever,fuck it, we ball.
And then next thing you know, itjust turns into that site.
I was like, okay, that's thatwas kind of cool.
That that was the that wasarguably the coolest thing I've
seen her do in the anime.

SPEAKER_01 (35:16):
Yeah, it's it it's one of the cool things,
unfortunately.
Not to spoil your bubble, but itdoes turn into ash.
You could use it, so okay.

SPEAKER_03 (35:30):
I mean, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (35:32):
It goes back to that whole thing where there's a lot
of things that are missing outfrom an anime to a manga.
I promise you, when we talkabout Black Butler, I'm gonna
explain exactly why, becausethere are some things in there
that is not we're not there yet.
But to Vampire Knight, there's alot of this manga put two

(35:52):
seasons in one year.
Like it went from June prettymuch the whole entire 2008 from
April to October, if I'm 90%sure.
So we got a lot of we got like24, 26 episodes crammed in the
case.

SPEAKER_03 (36:12):
So nice, we got it twice in one year.

SPEAKER_01 (36:14):
We got it twice in one year.
Must be nice or in high schoolhost club.
Must be clubs.

SPEAKER_03 (36:21):
Hold on.
I like how you said that becausewhen I was watching this anime,
I'm like, it's giving me OranHigh School Host Club vibes for
some reason now.

SPEAKER_01 (36:30):
They came out at the same time, pretty much around
the same time together.

SPEAKER_03 (36:33):
Oh, yeah, sure, because like you gotta have
that.
Was crazy because around thattime, reverse herrings were
popping off.
Like nowadays, now the new thingis oh, imagine this magical
world, and the main character isoverpowered, but not in a way
that you think he's overpowered.
But he joins this party, andthis party's like total

(36:57):
dickheads except for this onecharacter where it's like she is
usually a woman, but she's likethe most sensible character.
Meanwhile, the team leader'salways this prick that's like,
okay, you know what?
You're useless.
Get out of our party.
And then uh the main characterfucks up, he ends up becoming a
legend and whatnot.
The uh party leader, you know,looking like garbage in

(37:19):
comparison.
Meanwhile, the sensiblecharacter decides to kind of
defect from the parties whereit's like she still kind of
fucked with the main character,like she was the only friend the
main character had before he gotkicked out of the party.
That's the new thing now.
Like it for me at first itstarted with I left my A-Ring
party, uh, where it's like,okay, this is fairly new, like

(37:42):
for the most part.
But then again, there wasArthur, where it was kind of
like that, but not literally.
It's like more like Isakai typething.
So like I didn't count Arthur atfirst, but uh I left my A-Ring
party and a whole bunch of otheranime came out this year alone,

(38:03):
where it's like imagine thisoverpowered character being spat
on for having like a uhperceived useless ability.
Like, say, for instance, youcould be a cook, like you could
be like uh just a cook for theparty, but turns out you're like
a level 99 cook who's like goodwith alchemy and metallurgy and

(38:28):
a whole bunch of other abilitieswhere you're strong on your own,
but because you're a cook,you're considered useless, so
they're like, kick you out, andyou end up creating this
restaurant where a whole bunchof regists end up going there,
and you end up becoming famouswith your exploits and whatnot,
and the person who kicked youout of the party looking like a

(38:50):
real piece of shit for kickingyou out of the party, and
sometimes they'll even fuckingflaw on you because how dare you
make me look bad after you leftmy party.
I'm gonna take care of you, andthen they end up embarrassing
themselves even more.
So, so I don't know, that's thenew thing now, Sadio.
Like every now and then thatthere's a whole bunch of anime

(39:11):
that have a similar vibe goingon.

SPEAKER_01 (39:14):
No, yeah, and that goes right back that goes into
my next point.
Around this time that this mangawas coming out, between 2006 and
2008, um, a lot of artists sawan influx in the female mango
watchers.
They were trying to get thatwhole oh my gosh, I can't
believe I'm saying this.

SPEAKER_03 (39:33):
The whole Yaoi thing come off, which yeah, that was
the most the late 2000 was aweird time.

SPEAKER_01 (39:41):
I was a part of that fandom.
I'm not gonna tell you what Ihave.
I'll I'll just say I'll just saythat.
But that was that whole, youknow, like oh my gosh, in Orn
High School Host Club.
I talked about it in my podcast,you know, you had the homosexual
supporting cast, you had Pikadooand Kaudu, the homosexual

(40:01):
brothers, basically.
And even in even in this one, itkind of gets to the point where
there's a lot of ships betweenkind of means zero.
A lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 (40:11):
Yeah, that's that's that doesn't surprise me.
In fact, I want to talk aboutthose two, but continue.

SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
Um yeah, we it just goes right back into the the
whole 2006-2008.
We saw an influx of reverseharems, yaoi fandoms, the
paddles, the whole shebang andthe caboodle.

SPEAKER_03 (40:31):
Yeah, yeah.
Uh kind of man zero, like, okay,if I were to compare their
dynamic to Edward and Jacob, Ionce again, I didn't read the
manga.
I don't know what theirrelationship like is in the
manga, but in the anime, I wantto say, at least with them, it's

(40:53):
like not this passive aggressivepettiness that Edward and Jacob
have.
Where it's almost like saying,okay, Jacob clearly doesn't like
well, you know, vampires andwerewolves, that could go
without saying.
Like they just gonna be beefingeach other regardless of Bella

(41:15):
being involved.
But the thing is, with Edwardand Jacob, outside of that, it
just seemed like Jacob is tryingto worm his way into Bella's
heart, where it's like, okay,you you don't know Bella, like I
know Bella, like I know it'sbetter with Vesper and all that
other jazz and whatnot.

(41:37):
And meanwhile, Edward is like,hey, look here, I'm not even
trying to be worried aboutJacob, but at the same time, if
he keeps trying you like that,I'm gonna have to deal with that
no more.
For real.
It's kind of like that's whereit's like they kind of get petty
with each other, especially inequips where you know the whole
tent scene where Jacob had tokeep Bella warm, and then

(42:00):
Edward's like, can you calm downwith your thoughts?
And I'm like, nah, get get worsewith it.
I was like, bro, you're makingme comfortable with your
thoughts.
I don't like you to it, bro.
Nah, he they didn't really gothere, but like it's just funny
how like he uh Jacob was beingpetty not just to say, Oh, well,

(42:23):
I am harder than you.
I'm like, hold on.
Like physiology-wise, you have apoint, but hey, bro, like you
you being petty right now.

SPEAKER_01 (42:35):
It happens in the manga, don't worry, they are
very petty towards each otheragain.
Going back to the whole weddingscene, Zero said, Ha ha, watch
this.
I'm gonna marry your girl infront of you, vows and
everything.
That's literally what happened.
He was like, I want to have aceremony.
Oh, you do?
You want to have a ceremony?
Yeah, I want to say your vows.
I want to say vows.
Oh, okay.
That sounds great in front ofKaname.

SPEAKER_03 (42:57):
I want him to have a front row seat for this.

SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
They were like, I'm gonna have him front row and
center just so I can.

SPEAKER_03 (43:07):
No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on.
No, not just that.
It happened to where, like, um,his seat is all flowery and
shit, and he even has his nameon it to where like reserved for
zero bombs, Khan Man.
I was like, Yeah, like this justfor you, Kaname, just for you.
I want you to have a cool seatfor this.

SPEAKER_01 (43:25):
Not only did Kaname was there, but I was also there
at this wedding.

SPEAKER_03 (43:31):
And he I bet you Kaname had to play a real cool.
Um like, look, he had to be likesuper non-stop, and I'm sitting
here like, look here, like it'sa beautiful ceremony, and I want
to be happy for my sister Yuki,but um, look here, motherfucker.
Like, you got one more time forme.

SPEAKER_01 (43:48):
He basically said this to her.
I want to give to you whom Ilove the world, what I saw when
I was human, the long andendless journey.
You who existed with thatthirst, may your thirst be
quenched.
That was the last thing where hesays, What a beautiful light,
and then he's gone.
That was it.
That was it, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 (44:10):
Wow, he's like, you know what?

SPEAKER_01 (44:14):
May your thirst be quenched by zero.
I hope you're happy with thedecision you made, and then
disappeared.
And then guess who had to takecare of I Zero.
Zero had to be the one to stepup and say, I'm gonna be your
daddy from now on.

SPEAKER_03 (44:29):
I wait, hold on.
Like, that's a low-key flexbecause, like, listen, like,
first of all, it's like, okay,Yuki and Konami are siblings, so
it's like, honestly, crazyenough, I was kind of rooting
for Zero, anyways.
Like, that's that's a weird partbecause I don't know, it's like,
it's just one of those thingswhere I kind of see Yuki and
Zero together more.

(44:49):
So, like, nothing againstKonami, it's just more like
that.
Um Twilight, you know, before,you know, my adult friend kicks
in to where I'm like, nah, likeJacob was acting way too down
bad to where like it justdoesn't feel deserved if he does
get with Bella.
But at least with zero, it'slike it felt like a natural

(45:11):
friendship.
Therefore, I'm like, okay, itfeels more deserved if he got
with Yuki to where like he triedto like he really tried to
restrain himself from bitingYuki uh at some point, but you
know, like she's a pure pureblood vampire, so it's like, oh
well, you know, like turns outI'm a vampire too, so it's like
something we do.

(45:31):
So I can't really judge you fordoing what you do if I'm doing
the same thing, you know, likeit just being calling the hot
cone kill black, you know whatI'm saying?
You know, uh uh she was justcool with it for the most part.
Uh, but even though Zero kind ofwas repulsed by himself with his

(45:51):
nature or whatnot, he was reallytrying to propose um really
fight these urges, um,considering that he was raised
to be a vampire hunter.
And uh yeah, I just felt like ifZero got with Yuki, I feel like,
yeah, it feels right.
It feels right.

(46:12):
But going back to what I wassaying, like it feels like a
low-key fletch to where, like,okay, it doesn't really
necessarily.
I don't feel the necessity ofYuki and Kamra getting together.
Like, yeah, it may have been setup to look like that way, but I
don't know.
Like, I don't, I just didn'treally care for their romantic,

(46:34):
especially with the whole sweethome Alabama element to that.
So I'm like, eh, eh, no.
But uh it's a low-key placebecause think about it, like
that just means that um not onlydo comments like, okay, well,
whatever, I'll just find a newbitch, but uh also he don't have

(46:57):
to deal with the kids.
I mean, as much as you mightlove the kids, but I don't know.
Some dudes will uh I don't know,like it's crazy.
I hear subjects where like uhsome dudes want to be able to
have their freedom do whateverthe hell they want, and then
sometimes um they feel like ohwell I can't really do whatever

(47:20):
I want if I have to uh look atmy kids.

SPEAKER_01 (47:23):
So well, and let me move on to I and um Ren, you
know, um their kids.
I, of course, is Ren's olderhalf-sister.
She I was there throughoutYuki's whole second pregnancy to
the point where I even startedlike being that motherly figure,

(47:46):
to the point where it got to anobsession, to the point where it
got a little bit too creepy.
At one time, Ren's vampiretraits began to emerge, and she
was so horrified by like thethought of harming I that she
wished to devour and become onewith her lovely older sister.

(48:14):
They have a very, very umconfusing sister complex.

SPEAKER_03 (48:20):
Yeah, yeah.
That's why I dare say that umno, no, it's nothing, it's bad
party by itself, but it's that'swhy I say that.
Um if I were to say if it's abetter love story than Twilight,

(48:40):
I'm like kinda, but it getsweird.

SPEAKER_01 (48:46):
It gets weird and complicated, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (48:51):
Like, as far as like how they handle relationships,
at least it's mmm damn.
Well, okay, yeah, it's not astoxic because at least with
Yuki, it's more like I love bothof these men, but at the same

(49:11):
time, it didn't really start offthat way.
It's more like she viewed Konameas someone that she admires and
is grateful for, you know,saving her from that once in
every day.
Um, but you know, that was awhole okay, hold on.
Another thing I liked aboutKaname to where, you know,
everything between Rito beingresurrected, Shizuka dying, uh,

(49:36):
Zero and Ichiru, um, Zero'sbrother being reunited and
whatnot.
I like how Kaname was pulling awhole eyes in to where I'm like,
it was all part of the plan.
And he was even rolling up thezero, saying, like, it was me,
Barry.
I'm the one who killed Shizuka.
I'm the one who um made surethat her blood and Yuki's blood

(50:00):
and my blood runs in your veinsso that way you can become the
ultimate vampire hunter to killRita and whoever the else I got
a problem with, because at theend of the day, you work for me.
You are my fit.
And that's how he was witheverybody else with um night

(50:22):
class, where y'all just uh chesspieces in a game that I was
playing.
So now that your purpose hasbeen fulfilled, do whatever you
want.
And you know how Akasuki and uhHanabusa and the rest of them uh
the one other chip uh where theywere like, hey yo, like we're

(50:45):
not your chess pieces, but we'llstill follow you.
And then Konaman's like,whatever the old you want.
But I like that's crazy becauseI'm like, I want to say Kaname
is still a solid dude, but I Ilike how he made it sound like
he played everybody just to makesure that he ends this whole

(51:07):
beef with uh Rito and the wholeKuron uh family, where for some
reason, like that's the funnypart where uh Haruka, Yuki and
Kaname's father, and Yuri, themother, their brother and
sister, and also married.
But the thing is with Rito beingHaruka's brother, older brother,

(51:32):
Rito is like, oh, Juri's a fineass bitch, I kind of want her
for myself.
And they were like, uh, no, uh,she's my girl.
Like, I'm married.
Why don't you get with Suska?
But I'm like, I don't want her,bro.
I don't want that shit.

(51:52):
And then Suka was sitting therelike, oh, well, I don't want to
be married to him either.
In fact, there was this otherdude that I was in love with,
but y'all put a bag on his headto have him kill because, oh, I
didn't want Rito, so y'alldecide, oh just kill this other
guy, like, since I you want tobe like, bro, like the dynamics

(52:14):
in this anime to where, like,once again, it gets weird, but
in a way, I still kind of likeit better.
Like, at least it was intriguingenough to where like it felt
like I want to know what thehell was going on.
Like, who's this guy?
Who's this chick?
How are they connected to eachother?

(52:35):
The way they executed that justmade it intriguing on its own.
Meanwhile, when I'm watchingTwilight, I'm like, so JB, I've
got a question for you.
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 (52:50):
Is this a better love story than Twilight?

SPEAKER_03 (52:56):
Slightly.
Just slightly, just slightly.
Because once again, like, I Ican't say that it is, maybe
because I didn't read the manga.
Like, you can tell me betterthan I can.
But at least it wasn't as toxicbecause once again, at least

(53:18):
with Yuki, it didn't felt likeshe was leading Zero on.
It just more like she justviewed Zero as a dear friend up
until you know they had enoughflags being raised to a point
where oh well, they justdeveloped this romantic
connection with each other.
And um they well, at least Zerogot some and got married to her

(53:43):
and had a kid, and I think agrandkid too.
I don't know, like um, so theydidn't have grandkids.
Okay, cool, cool.
Um, and all this other jams, andI'm like, okay, at least Zero
got that far versus Jacob, whereit's like, oh well, I guess I'll
just hook up with my crush'sdaughter.

(54:04):
I'll just wait for her to begrown up.
And I'm sitting like, bro, notonly did you make Jacob look
down bad, but you also made himlook like a pedophile groomer.

SPEAKER_01 (54:14):
Yes, okay, so I'm not the only one who thought
about that when he imprinted onRenez Bay.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (54:19):
Yeah, I'm like, bro, like that that's not a good
look, dawg.
You imprinted on my baby, Jacob?
No, no, no.
That's the funny part.
Okay, like I said with um thecomedy and Vampire Night, they
sprinkled the comedy in whereI'm like, okay, it's funny here
and there, and I like it, but itthen overstays welcome.
And twilight, at least the movieis concerned.

(54:41):
Why did you pepper all the goodjokes in the last movie where
okay, Bella dragging Jacob outin the on the house to deal with
him for imprinting on her baby?
And I watch how you, if you payattention, you see Edward
smiling his face off watchinghis wife, that's right, his wife

(55:04):
handle the dude she won'ttalking about, oh, you imprint
on my baby, and like, hey, bro,listen, like it's a werewolf
thing, it just happens like thatsometimes.
I can't really control it.
Like, look, like, I don't wantany trouble.
Like, do you honestly think umEdward keep me alive and
whatnot?

(55:24):
And then Edward just did belike, uh, I'm still debating the
jury's still out, apparently.
And I'm like, bro, y'all, y'allsay the good jobs for the last
movie?
No.
Oh, like, I was laughing my assoff when I was watching Breaking

(55:48):
Dog part two.
Because, like, hey, yo, like,finally, they feel like
characters now.

SPEAKER_01 (55:55):
Exactly, finally.
It's not the the the what iswhat's it called?
Sepia-toned nonsense that wewere given.
I agree with you.

SPEAKER_03 (56:06):
Yeah, like most of the characters felt like they
were just there.
Like, if anything, like in thecolon household.
Okay, Carlisle, he he being thebreadwinner, the doctor, and
whatnot.
Okay, he serves his role, he'sfine.
Esme felt like she was justthere.
Uh Emmett, once again, justthere.

(56:28):
Uh Rosalie, she was badass, butI felt like she was I gotta put
this, she got hold narrativelybecause she she seemed like an
interesting character, but theydidn't focus on her, at least in
the movies, they didn't focus onher a whole lot.
But I know in the book they hadmore to with that with her.

(56:50):
In fact, I think they gave morebackstory to Emma in the um
books, but I didn't read thebooks, but um Rosalie just felt
like she just got swept underthe rug for the most part.
Like she was like low-keybeefing with um Bill only
because she just didn't like howBell is choosing to be in
vampire.
Meanwhile, they didn't have achoice to be um vampires, and

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like that just pissed her off.
But also, like the only otherthing going on is that uh oh,
now that Renezme was born, she'slike trying to be this
supportive auntie character, andI'm like, okay, that's cool, but
that's about it.
Uh Jasper, yeah.

(57:35):
Uh okay.
Uh he's cool, but I felt likeonce again, I I just wish they
did more with like, yeah, we gotthe backstory and all that too,
but dang, like it just kind offelt like they didn't do a whole
lot with Jasper.
Like, once again, cool, but itit just kind of felt like they

(57:57):
just kind of used him as okay.
Um, this is an example of howsomebody who's like the youngest
in the polling household, likehe's still trying to control
urges, but uh for the most part,he's chill.
But I feel like they could havedone a little bit more with him.
Now, Alice, I fucking loveAlice.

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She is my girl.
I see like one of my my favoritein the whole story to where not
only she could see in the futureand whatnot, like on some vassal
raven type shit, but uh she justcame out with a cool character,
you know, the aesthetics, uh,hairstyles, like I don't know,

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like out the Colin siblings, shedefinitely had more to do, but
at the same time, it felt likebecause she can see into the
future, she had the same problemwith that um Professor X had in
the X-Men movies where shesometimes had to be picked out
of the narrative because if shesticks around a little too long,

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it just kind of feels like okay,you have this one character who
can solve a lot of theseproblems.
So if you have her around, thenthere's not much of a story.
So Alice had to be kicked out ofthe narrative area now and then
just to give other people somespotlight.
So I don't even blame her forthat, but Alice is a sulkhead,

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like she felt like an actualcharacter compared to the others
as far as the movies.
Everybody else just felt likethey were just standing there,
and outside of Edward being thelead character, Alice was the
only one in the movies that inmy memory, where I'm like, at
least she not only felt like acharacter, but she did shit.

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But that's just my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 (59:56):
No, I I kind of have to agree with you.
I didn't read the books, I onlywatched.
Uh watch the movies, but I dohave to say she at least had a
little a lot more contact thanall the rest of them did, even
though Jasper is still numberone.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:08):
Yeah, like I I still like Jasper, but I just felt
like they could have did morewith Jasper.
Agreed.
It's like between Alice andJasper and Rosalie, it kind of
felt like they gave him the rockwe treatment to where y'all hype
up these characters to have thistheir own subplot.

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But then by the time you get tothe end of the movie, it's like
you realize, hold on, y'allbarely did anything with these
characters.
Like Alice, like she, the onlyreason why we Alice, like she's
the one that can see into thefuture.
So it's like, okay, you kind ofneed her because if it wasn't
for her, like Edward could havesacrificed himself in the second

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movie, or like if it wasn't forAlice, that um they probably
wouldn't be able to find Bellain the first movie.
So Alice did play her position.
So she actually did shit, sheactually mattered.
So that's why I dare say out ofthe colon siblings, it's almost

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like they had to make Alice awhole character if she's gonna
fit into the story, especiallyas a clairvoyant.
Everybody else, we don't evenknow what their powers are,
really.
Like, what what is Rosalie,Jasper, and Emmett's special
power?
Like, do they even say it?

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Like, in you like okay, I knowyou didn't read the book.
Um, and in the movies, like theydidn't even mention it, so
that's how you can tell, like,bro, like that's how you can
tell that it felt like theybarely ditched it because they
didn't even have a special powerthat we knew of.
The only people we knew of thathad a special power in the colon

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family is Edward and Alan.
And that's because they were themain two characters that had
most of the influence for theclock.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:06):
Well, I do have to say Jasper's powers is
pathokinesis, which is just hecan feel emotions around them
and manipulate them.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:15):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:17):
In the in eclipse, I think it was, he used his power
to calm everyone down againstwhen the clones were going
against the werewolves, and inbreaking dawn, Jasper stayed
near Bella after she hadRenesime because she was so
happy and he was drawn to duringpositive feelings.
He also helped her like calm herdown during a sleep.
Like, so there was most timesabout to see that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:41):
Okay, so Jasper was a sleeper MVP.
Okay, yeah, okay, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:47):
I'm gonna look it up.
I'm not gonna lie to you.
I had to look up, like, there'slike Renezme has like shield
penetration, arrow has tactic.
Like, there's a whole bunch.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:59):
A whole bunch.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:00):
I'm like, uh buddy, who's like essentially the
avatar in this fucking like seethat's crazy part, like, bro,
like you have a vampire that canhave like pyrokines, uh uh, he
can manipulate water, uh, earth,and air and whatnot, and you you

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saved him for the last movie.
Pretty much, Jesus Christ, butuh okay, back to Vampire Knight.
Um actually, yeah, for the mostpart, that's pretty much what I
have to say about VampireKnight, to where I'm like the

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way I see it, at least it wasstructured in a way to where it
genuinely intrigued me.
To where I actually wanted tosee how shit played out versus
okay, here's this popular thingthat people like.
Let me see what the fuck they'retalking about.
Come to find out what the hellis those.

(01:04:05):
I mean, hey, hey, in my opinion,that's that's just me.
If you're a fan of Twilight,hey, I don't hate Twilight fans,
but I can't say that I'm a fanpersonally.
If anything, it's almost likeI'm starting to realize I like
watching shit that I willprobably go on angry rants about

(01:04:30):
because it's almost like I don'tknow, it's almost like that's
why I kind of like doing thepodcast where it's like I like
watching shit where even if it'sbad, is it worth talking about?
Because if it's not even worthtalking about, that's how bad it

(01:04:52):
is.
Like, once again, Velma, towhere I'm like, bro, that show
was so dog shit ass.
That halfway through doing myreview to break down everything
I didn't like about Velma, Ijust threw the script away on,

(01:05:15):
you know what?
Fuck it.
I don't even feel like talkingabout it anymore because I'm
like, I'm gonna feel like I'mgonna be talking about it all
fucking night about how weirdand antagonistic this is towards
his own audience.
Where I'm like, fuck all that,you know, fuck all that.
I I'm not gonna even give it thesatisfaction of a full review.

(01:05:40):
Like it's crazy how some peoplewere saying, like, oh, they
dropped it in like two, threeepisodes, and then I'm sitting
there like, oh well, you know, Igotta at least see it through to
see if like does it get better?
Like, does it get better?
But no, it it doesn't getbetter.

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Like, it's it gets defiantlyworse.
It got to a point to whereeverybody cheered when Velma
died.
Like she literally died, andeverybody cheered.
Not not in the show, but thefans.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:16):
The fans, they were like, Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:20):
I'm like, bro, like, how bad of a character do you
have to be to where the fans areglad that the main character
died?
That's how bad you have to be,to where you not only have fans
doing that, but to a point towhere I don't even want, I don't

(01:06:42):
even feel like doing a fullreview on it.
I'm like, uh-uh, no.
Like, you're gonna see a side ofme to where I'm like, you're
thinking, bro, I know JV getsangry every now and then, but
like, bro, I never heard him bethis angry before.
And I'm sitting there, like,because it's one of those things

(01:07:04):
where the more I talk about it,the more it feeds into my anger
for the show, and I have toexplain why it makes me so
angry, and it's just thisinfinite move where I'm like
making myself angry and tryingto explain how bad it is, but at
least with Vampire Knight, itwas enjoyable.

(01:07:26):
It got weird, but at least I canstomach it to watch it, you
know.
I can sit through it, I can sitthrough watching.
Twilight was also weird for me,to where I'm like I'm just kinda
here because I just want to seewhat the bus is all about, and

(01:07:48):
now that I'm watching that, andI don't understand why some
folks like it, but then again,uh, let's just say that it nah,
you know, I'm not gonna do it.
Uh Sebbie, you have anything youwant to add on to Vinefire Night

(01:08:09):
before we close out?
Because I'm pretty much spent atthis point.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:13):
Yeah, that's pretty much all I had as well.
I agree with you for everythingthere.
Um I didn't watch Velma, Ididn't watch it at all.
You didn't, I didn't want towatch it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:23):
I didn't yeah, like save yourself.
Uh how many, how many you don'tneed to even describe it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:32):
I've seen little hints and stuff on TikTok.
I'm not gonna stomach it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:36):
So yeah, there we go.
I'm saying, like, save yourselflike a whole afternoon.
Like, I think it was like 12episodes.
No, no, no, 10 episodes each.
I'm pretty sure it was 10episodes each season, and there
was that Halloween special.
I'm so glad they didn't getseason three.
I mean, they they try to set upa season three, but nobody wants
that shit, but uh save yourselfthe nine to ten so hours that it

(01:09:02):
probably would have taken you towatch this, but it it it was not
worth it.
Like it I was curious enough tosee, like, okay, that's a okay.
I'm gonna say this, we're gonnaget to the rating, and we're
gonna get the fuck out of here.
You can tell that this feelslike a psyop when you can't

(01:09:26):
criticize something that youhaven't seen to completion.
Well, oh, you can't criticizethis uh show because you didn't
watch all the episodes, it mighthave gotten better, and then you
watch it, and then you're like,oh well, I still don't like it.
Oh, well, that's too fuckingbad.
Like that's like going to amovie and you dislike the movie,

(01:09:47):
and okay, let me wrap that up.
That's like saying a movie'scoming out, you're already
thinking it's gonna be dog shit,and people are saying, Oh, you
can't say that you didn't evenwatch the movie yet.
And then imagine actually goingto the movie, you still think
it's dog shit, and it's like, ohwell, it doesn't matter, we got
your money now.

(01:10:08):
And I'm saying, like, bro, like,what's the difference?
Like, what's the point?
So it's like watching dog feelslike if I give it too much press
on how bad it is, it just kindof feeds into the point to where
like I'm feeding it attention,and sometimes with some folks,

(01:10:30):
it's like any form of attentionis good, they they just don't
believe in bad attention, sothey don't believe in back
listening.
So it's like saying bye, youcan't really criticize it if you
didn't watch it to completion,and even if you watch it to
completion and still don't likeit, it's like, oh well, it

(01:10:53):
doesn't matter, but you stilltook your time and we still got
well.
If you like uh subscribe to HBOMax to watch it, and by the way,
it's not like almost the onlyreason why we will uh subscribe
to HBO Max, but that's just thething, it's almost like saying
they think, oh well, it doesn'tmatter if you like it or not, we

(01:11:13):
still got your fucking money.
I'm like, uh, that's kind of whyI'm glad that uh the thing with
streaming serves is that it'snot the only show to watch.
So as far as you know, likethat's like Madame Webb all over
again, to where people thinking,like, oh, it became the number
one movie on Netflix.

(01:11:35):
That's only because nobodydidn't want to buy a movie
ticket and waste their moneygoing to watch something they
know is going to suck.
So they wait until it's on astreaming service like Netflix,
so then they watch it because itdoesn't matter if they actually
watch it or not, because theydidn't subscribe to Netflix just
to watch Madame Will.
They're gonna watch other shit,so it's not the aha moment that

(01:11:58):
you think it is.
Uh it's like it's almost likethat's why I can't do a full
review because almost likethat's what they want, though.
That's what they want, said me.
So rating time, I will giveVampire Knight at least a solid

(01:12:24):
eight out of ten.
The characters actually feltlike characters, the story was
intriguing enough for me to atleast want to see it to the end.
Even the manga, like, even afteryou spoiled some of the I'm not
complaining that you spoiled itfor me, but I'm just saying,
like, even after knowing whathappens in the manga, I still
kind of think I'm like, okay, Ikind of want to see it.
How did they get there?

(01:12:45):
How do they get to that point atthat point?
So I'm like, okay, that makes meeven more intrigued to figure
out what the hell is going on.
Uh the music was fairly elegant,kind of like it had that
aristocratic vibe, kind of likewhat Black Button have to, where
I kind of like the how the musicmatched the vibe of the show.

(01:13:06):
The artwork, once again, likeyou can tell who's the main
character based on the style ofthe hair, how big their eyes
are, like those Yuki lookinglike a fucking doll.
Like, you know, those doll-likeeyes, like those big bug eyes,
where like not unattractive, butit's almost like Jesus Christ,

(01:13:28):
almost like her eyes is liketwice as big as everybody
else's, but it's gotta be likethose big dope puppy doll eyes,
where it's almost like you lookinto those eyes and you're just
like, damn, I can't say no toyou.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:45):
Uh Still Doll.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:47):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:48):
That that's what the name of that song is.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:50):
Was it the first one or the second one?

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:51):
The first one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:52):
Okay, I like the first one.
Um it was the one where um she'slike uh sitting in her room and
like she was holding a mirror,and there was like a tear of
blood dripping down.
What was it that one?
Was it that one?

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:07):
Yeah, it's called Still Doll.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:09):
Okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:11):
I still listen to that song.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:13):
Yeah, I like that one.
Uh the music was good, characterart was good, the characters
actually felt like characters,the story was interesting
enough.
Yeah, I would say at least aneight out of ten, maybe an eight
point five.
How about you said?

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:31):
It's a good rating from you, JV.
I like that.
I have to go for an 8.5,normally from nostalgia, because
yeah, that's that was mychildhood right there, but I
enjoyed it thoroughly.
The manga made it a solid 8.5.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:48):
The uh um um the uh sweet home Alabama said that
that's what kind of brought thescore down.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:54):
I'm gonna be honest with you, but I would it was
almost a nine, but uh to befair, that was very popular at
the time, the whole incestthing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:07):
Yeah, that that's what killed, that's what ruined
the regular Magic High Schoolfor me.
I'm telling you, if you've seenthat anime, I'm like, bro, this
anime to me, it was good in itsown right.
The only thing that fuckingruined it was the fact that the

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even though they were not bloodrelated, the fact that the
sister was just in love with herbrother.
It wasn't even a matter of like,oh, she was like admiring her
brother, like Yuki and Myerskind of no no.
It was like, okay, one day hesaved her from some thugs, and

(01:15:51):
ever since then she had likethis hero slash brother complex
where like all of a sudden she'slike, Oh, well, y'all don't see
his potential and value like Ido.
Like, I seen him do amazingthings and whatnot, and then it
just seemed like okay, at firstit seemed like she just had a
lot of um pride for her brother,but then come to find out, oh,
she actually developed feelingsfor him, and he kind of plays

(01:16:16):
along, but not that seriously.
It's almost like he would besaying, like, oh well, you know,
we're brother and sister, sothat wouldn't be very
appropriate.
But if we were to hypotheticallybe a couple or whatnot, and then
I'm like, bro, bro, why are yougiving her hope like that?

(01:16:39):
Like, don't like don't don'tdon't do that.
Like, especially it's like don'ttell me that you're actually
entertaining the idea.
I get it, I get it.
In Japan, it's a thing to whereif you're like married into the
family, you can still like marryyour sister, like I'm like uh

(01:17:00):
uh-uh, mm-mm.
Here in America, that's tooweird.
That's too weird.
Like, I get it, I I respect it.
Hey, y'all have at it overthere, but over here in the
States, I'm I'm sorry, that's alittle too weird for me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:17):
Depends on where you live.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:20):
Yeah, well, yeah, yeah.
But um, yeah, 8.5 out of 10,like almost a nine, but um, I
mean, yeah, Yuki ended up withzero, getting married, zero,
whatnot, anyways, but but stillthough the fact that they they

(01:17:42):
were entertaining it, yeah.
Um, I mean, yeah.
But um, anything else, Subby?

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:53):
No, we pretty much covered it for me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:55):
All right, cool, cool, cool.
Well, that is it for our reviewon Vampire Night, Sebbie.
I do thank you for being on thisepisode with me.
And to the deal listener, I dothank you for hearing us rant
and ramble to the end.
Do stay nerdy, do remember thatgreat things are coming.
Go ahead and have yourself agood morning, good afternoon,
good evening, and good night.

(01:18:16):
But ultimately, take it easy.
We're gonna go ahead and zone upout of here.