August 11, 2024 • 23 mins
What if the church owes the world an apology? Join me, as we navigate the controversial waters stirred up by gospel singer Kim Burrell's apology at the Stellar Awards for her remarks about the LGBTQ+ community. We examine the delicate balance between delivering scriptural truth and maintaining spiritual integrity, emphasizing that while the truth might offend, it should never be used to harm. It’s essential to communicate from a place rooted in the fruits of the Spirit, and sometimes that means acknowledging when our words are driven by personal hurt rather than divine guidance.
In a candid exploration, I reflect on my own journey from harboring homophobic attitudes to embracing compassionate conversations that broadened my understanding. While supporting individuals doesn't equate to endorsing every lifestyle, it is crucial to offer love and respect without compromising on moral and spiritual principles. Authentic faith demands living out the teachings of Jesus, making amends when we falter, and letting the Holy Spirit guide us toward genuine repentance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's happening everybody, welcome to another
episode of the Soul Fuel Podcast, the pit stop for your soul to
be fueled for your journey inlife.
And of course, y'all know we'redoing it with Christ.
Listen, I'm your host, willieRobbins III, aka Pastor Will, or
Will to some of you who know meas that.
Listen, I just wanted to cometo you with another what I feel
(00:25):
is a necessary conversation thatneeds to be had.
If you're looking at mybackground and you're looking at
me, I know I probably look alittle raggedy.
I need to shave, I need some.
You know I have a little littlebit stuff that's going on here
that that needs to be rectifiedand we're going to take care of
that.
I'm not in my normal space thatwe usually record the pod in,
(00:50):
but it's OK.
I'm out of town.
Right now I'm in Clarksville,tennessee, at my dad's place.
I'm sitting on the air mattressright now and I said you know
what I owe the people?
An episode I owe people in theepisode.
So, regardless, I packed up mylights and my camera and my
computer and the Rodecaster andI said, hey, I got to find some
(01:11):
time to squeeze this in, so itmay not be edited the way that
the other episodes are, but it'sOK, because we're going to make
it do what it do, All right.
So that brings me to ourconversation for today.
So that brings me to ourconversation for today, which is
the question when is itnecessary for the church to
apologize to the world?
When is it necessary for us, asbelievers, to apologize to the
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world?
Everybody's up in arms aboutsinger gospel singer, recording
artist, pastor preacher KimBurrell.
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She apologizes at the StellaAwards for the words that she
had towards the LMNOP community,and I think it's interesting.
I think it's interesting.
I think it's interestingbecause so many people have so
many different things to say andthere's so many ways to look at
it, but I only see one way tolook at it, and the way that is.
I believe it is biblical, noteven just biblical, but
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spiritual.
Well, if it's biblical, itshould be spiritual, right.
So the the reason why I thinkit's necessary to talk about it
is because there should never bea time where we have to
apologize to the world.
It should never be a time wherewe have to apologize to the
world.
There may be times where wehave to apologize to people for
a wrong that we may have donewith how tight you are in
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obeying the Word of God andobeying the Spirit, so that you
can walk in the Spirit, so thatyou can always have the fruits
of the Spirit on display.
So, for Ms Kimberrell to havewords to say about the Elemental
Pea community, about theirlifestyle or whatever you know
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their lifestyle or whatever, Ithink it's one thing to talk
about the lifestyle inaccordance to what scripture
says, and continuing to preachthe truth, no matter what right.
We know what is an abomination,we understand all of these
things.
Now, how are you saying it?
Is it necessary?
We know that it's now.
It's always necessary to preachthe truth, but from where?
From what place?
Right?
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So this is, this is the onlycase where it's necessary to
apologize, because when youspeak from a place of hurt and
pain and not in the spirit, andnot in the spirit, now you have
to apologize, because when youspeak from pain and hurt and
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whatever's going on in your life, you're going to speak on
something.
Even though it may be true, itstill comes from a lying place.
Now, what do you mean by that?
When it comes from a lyingplace?
I'm just simply saying thatit's coming from a place where
you don't care how it comes off.
You don't care how you say it.
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So, as a believer, let me say itlike this, because I don't want
you to get lost in the sauce,because I'm probably having a
weird way of wording this rightnow, but what I'm saying is you
should never tell the truth withthe intentions of trying to
hurt somebody, right, the truthshould never come out at at the
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expense of you being emotionaland not being able to control
your emotions because you'reupset.
Emotional and not being able tocontrol your emotions because
you're upset.
That will probably be the time,the best time, for you to keep
your mouth closed before you saysomething that you do have to
apologize for.
And so, in the case of MsKimberrell, speaking to the
element of community or topeople who are of that lifestyle
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, again, I believe, if you speakfrom a place of hurt and
aggravation and anything that isnot of the fruit of the spirit,
if you speak from any of thoseplaces and you offend in, in in
any way that is, outside of thespirit which is operating in how
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you feel and your emotions,you're going to say things the
way that you shouldn't say itNow.
The truth is always going tooffend, no matter what.
The truth is always going tooffend, no matter what.
So I could say that you know,the world is going to hell in
the nicest way and people willget an attitude about it.
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And guess what?
Just because they get anattitude about it and just
because I said it in the nicestway doesn't take away the fact
that it's true according to theword and according to what we
believe as Christians and whatwe believe as true followers,
active believing followers ofJesus.
We believe this, we believe it.
So it's not.
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It's not that we we got towatch what we say, but sometimes
it's how we say it, sometimesit's how we say it and sometimes
there are other there.
I believe that there are spacesthat the Holy Spirit will give
it to you to communicate in acertain kind of way.
I know this because Icommunicate every morning,
monday through Friday, inpreaching the gospel.
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There are certain ways I saycertain things to be able to
remain right.
I don't sugarcoat anything andI don't say anything.
That's not true for the sake ofsparing people's feelings.
Now I say things under theinfluence of the Holy Spirit and
I believe that whatever theHoly Spirit gives us to say it
will come across to each andevery person in truth.
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It will come off as truth.
It wouldn't come off as you'retrying to hurt me, right?
And I believe that the wordsthat Kimberl said if I want to
go back and watch the videos orthe clips of the things that she
said, I believe it was all oversocial media, of the things
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that she said I believe it wasall over social media.
And the reason for the apologyis another thing.
Right, we come to the part ofwhy and everything that I just
explained should tell you whythere is a time where people of
God should apologize to theworld.
There is a time where wherepeople of God should apologize
to the world, and that is thatagain is when we speak out of
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term, when we say things that weshould not say in the way that
we say it, right?
Um, I remember a while ago, uh,in the Kojic church.
Uh, they had a preacher by thename of Dr Earl Carter who spoke
at the convocation I can'tremember what year it was, but
Bishop Blake was the presidingbishop at the time and he got up
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and he preached a message andobviously he spoke a lot of
truth, but it's the way that hesaid what he said.
It had it.
He spoke a lot of truth, butit's the way that he said what
he said, and I believe that hedid owe an apology to, to
everyone who heard him speak,because not only was it
offensive to those who would bea part of the element of
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community as much as they doneed to hear the truth, right,
but it was what he said.
He was talking, talking about.
He hoped that the men bleedfrom their behind.
He said a lot of wild stuff.
He said a lot of wild stuff,and and that is where the lines
get blurred.
That is where the lines getblurred where it is not the
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spirit of God, because thespirit of God would never have
you wish anything bad on anybody, no matter if it is the world,
no matter if they live alifestyle.
That is an that is abominableto the Lord.
But guess what?
All unrighteousness is reallyabominable to the Lord.
So, um, I know we do.
There is a.
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It seems as if scripture putsan emphasis on that, and it does
, and it is one of those thingsto really be against, and but at
the same time, it's all sin,you know all sin, because
Proverbs would tell us that afalse balance is an abomination
to the Lord.
So, but a just weight is whatpleases him, so to speak.
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I think I'm butchering thattext, but I'm pretty I'm
absolutely sure of the firstpart, but it just a just weight
is his delight, that's what itsays.
A just weight is his delight.
So the first part of it is afalse balance is an abomination
to the Lord and a just weight isis is his delight, right?
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So I say that to say that whenI bring up, you know, dr Earl
Carter and the things that hesaid, you know that is the time
where it is necessary for um,for believers, to apologize,
right, um?
And as now, I'll take the timeand apologize to the world for
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being exposed to a falsechristianity.
I want to take the time.
Let me look in the camera allthe way.
The camera's a little shakybecause it's on the bed with me,
so so, but I want to take thetime to apologize that that the
people who have calledthemselves, telling you the
truth in the name of Jesus, didnot fully live out the life that
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they were preaching.
I am sorry that you have cameacross those people who left a
bad taste in your mouth.
But what I will not be sorryabout and what I will never
apologize for is the gospel ofthe Lord Jesus Christ.
I will not be sorry about andwhat I will never apologize for
is the gospel of the Lord JesusChrist.
I will not be ashamed oftelling you that, that I
disagree, and the Lord isagainst same sex marriages.
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The Lord is against man and manbeing married.
He's against women and women aswell.
Now, does that stop us fromloving you and treating you like
a human being?
Absolutely not.
It does not.
It does not.
So, um so, when we say thesethings, I know and some people
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are going to be irritated andmad and upset that I just said
what I said.
See what I'm saying, like youcan say it in the nicest way
possible it doesn't mean thatpeople won't still won't get mad
.
That's not the point.
The point is we can't be outhere running our mouths and
talking about people becausewe're upset and mad and and then
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hurt people.
In the name of Jesus, let mesay that again.
Let me say this in a clear,concise way where I can chop
this up and you can repeat itand you can share it as much as
you want.
We cannot be out here hurtingpeople in the name of Jesus
Right?
And so her apology was necessary.
I believe her apology wasnecessary because she, she may
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have said not have to go backand look at it, but if you're
apologizing for what you say andyou're holding yourself
accountable and the spirit hasconvicted you, and you're not
apologizing just so that you canget a check, just so that you
can go to the next level again,so that you can stop being
blackballed, you know, that'sone reason you should never
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apologize for the sake of money.
You should never apologize fortelling the truth so that you
can get back in the spotlight.
No, that should never be thecase.
Never be the case.
That should never be the caseat all.
But I want to say that youshould definitely apologize if
what you say is not in thespirit, because, just as we're
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supposed to walk in the spirit,we're supposed to talk in the
spirit.
Supposed to walk in the spirit,we're supposed to talk in the
spirit.
We're supposed to um, um,conduct ourselves as wise men
with outsiders.
And in order to do that, youmust stand on business Like
everybody be talking about.
You must stand on business.
As a Christian, you got tostand on business, right.
You have to stand on the truth.
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You have to because if youdon't, then of course you know,
if you don't, we get what we get.
In the world today, you getlukewarm Christians who feel
like they can do whatever theywant to do, and people who are
in the world feel like theydon't need to change.
There's nothing that needs tochange because you have
compromised just all for thesake of a dollar, right, all for
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the sake of a dollar.
So, with miss kimberrellapologizing, I think it was
necessary.
But you know, in her apology Ijust listened to it right before
I started recording this in herapology, you know, there's a
few things to take away from itand a few things to analyze and
to observe.
And with her apology, I feellike her apology was to save her
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career.
I feel like her apology was tosave her career because she gave
the apology when she wasreceiving a stellar award, right
, and so she took thatopportunity to apologize.
Fine, great, a wonderful timing, wonderful timing, but the
wrong speech.
I believe that she should haveapologized for how she said,
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what she said and in the spiritthat she may have said it in
right, that's one way to see it.
And then, two, she could havenot said anything at all, just
gave a speech and she could havesaid how much she loved all
people.
Right, because we love allpeople, we don't just love those
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who are straight, we love thebisexual people, we love the gay
people, we love the lesbians,we love them all.
We even love the transformers,right?
You know, I try to.
I say LMNOP community, and Isay that for the sake of YouTube
and for the sake of where thesewill go.
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I don't, you know, they canflag it either way, but you
understand what I'm saying.
Anybody trans, we love thesepeople, right?
I used to be super, duperhomophobic.
I used to be so homophobicuntil I was 18.
Now I was 19.
I was getting ready to graduate, no, I was 18.
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And, um, I had, there was a guywho was in my acting class and
he was gay and, uh, I just usedto be.
So I wasn't like disgusted byhim or anything like that.
I just never wanted to bearound.
I never wanted to be caughtwith him by myself.
I never did.
You know, I just never.
This super masculine like, uh,super masculine, um, way right,
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I just didn't want it and, um,it was kind of immature because
I kind of hurt him.
You know, I kind of hurt him inacting that way, even though
you know he shared that hedidn't care and, um, it took me
to have a conversation with him.
I had a conversation with himand I was less bothered and I
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could be around him.
I still, you know, just still,I didn't want my good evil
spoken of, but I wasn't reallysaved like that anyway, I just
knew that I didn't want no partsof that lifestyle, I didn't
want to be around it and to thisday I still don't want to be
around it like that.
But my perspective changed whenhe, when we had a simple
conversation and I thought itwas dope.
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So I think that conversationhelped me be a better believer,
helped me be a better, uh, uhfollower of Christ, because, you
know, I believe that Jesuswouldn't be ashamed to be around
certain people, um, as peoplelove to say that Jesus hung out
with sinners, but no, they hungout with him, they followed him
Right.
And so, um, again, at that timeI was not professing.
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I was been in church my wholelife but I was not professing to
be a um, you know, to be savedlike that.
I gotten saved many times.
Every Sunday I went and gotsaved but, um, I wasn't really
professing like that, but at thetime again when we had that
conversation, it just made mesee things a whole lot different
.
And after high school I ended upyou know he's a photographer
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and I ended up taking my photosfor my acting career and we
remain, you know, acquaintances.
I was like somewhat likefriends, but I didn't talk to
him like that, but it hadnothing to do with anything else
, but other than you know, wewere just I, just I called him
for some headshots and I paidhim.
He was good at what he did andyou know he would joke and he
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had his moments where he wassuper flamboyant and moments
when he wasn't.
He understood what I believe.
He understood what I stood on.
I was always believing in, Iwas always rooting for him to be
with a woman and he was like.
He was just like if I had to bewith somebody, it would be this
such and such person.
I'm like, okay, okay, I waslike, yeah, she's cute.
We accept people as human beings, but we don't have to accept a
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lifestyle in the same way thatwe don't accept the lifestyle of
a crackhead.
We don't accept the lifestyleof a drug addict, a drunk or a A
gambler you know somebody witha real bad gambling issue.
We don't support that.
So it's the same way.
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We look at that.
We we look at that the same way.
I'm not going to support alifestyle, but I will always
support people, the person as aperson.
So in my support, I'm alwaysgoing to be pushing people to
the truth, right, and I and Ithink it's more important in
this situation that we learnedfrom this situation with kim
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borrell that we have to live thetruth.
We have to live the truth andbe unapologetic about it, but
only when we're doing it in thelikeness of our lord and savior,
jesus christ.
We have to still show love,like showing love does not mean
don't tell the truth, right,because today is today's
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generation and and the societythat we live in today says that
love means that we have toaccept and support every
lifestyle that there is.
And so, um, I strongly disagreewith that and I all, I will
always preach the truth.
I will always preach againstevery lifestyle that is not of
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God.
I will always, because it's forus to remind each other as
believers that this is not ofGod, that we can't accept that
type of life, Just like we can'taccept the lives of some
Christians who say they love theLord and are in the closet
about everything, not justhomosexuality or anything like
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that, but not just that, buteverything like pedos, right,
people who like underage.
No, we, we have to be againstall of that Right and we have to
be, we have to be against allof that Right and we have to be,
we have to be willing to callit out, we have to be honest
with ourselves, we have to walkin the spirit and by the spirit.
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So, with Kimberl apologizing tothe uh element of P community,
um, again, I think it was amissed opportunity for her to
stand on the truth, right, andshe doesn't quote all of the
scripture that she uses about um, following peace with all men.
You know, you know there was.
I just feel like that was amissed opportunity.
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And yeah, again, to end thisepisode, I just want to say we
do need to apologize when we'rewrong, right, we do need to
repent when we're wrong and Ibelieve that when we repent when
we're wrong.
That shows more about the loveof God.
Now you still have to again.
You have to be clear on whatyou're apologizing for, because
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it'll sound like you'reapologizing for the gospel and I
don't know about you, but Iwill not be ashamed of the
gospel.
I will not be ashamed of thegospel, all right, and um, I
think this is a real lessonlearned.
A real lesson learned that wecannot go around just running
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our mouths saying things that,uh, that to on purpose to hurt
people, for, in the name ofJesus, you cannot hurt people in
the name of Jesus.
You, you, you heal people inthe name of Jesus.
You cannot hurt people in thename of Jesus.
You heal people in the name ofJesus and you help people live
in the name of Jesus by tellingthe truth in love, right and
again, true love.
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You know it comes with peopletelling you the truth and when
people realize it and they feelthat coming from you, they may
not believe or accept whatyou're saying, but they will
respect it.
I feel like a lot of peoplewould respect it.
There are a lot of things that Idon't agree with and people
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that I know that I don't agreewith don't agree with Um, but
they respect it because I'mdoing my best to live it out
right.
We all have to do our best tolive it out.
So, again, I hope this makessense.
I hope what I said you know it.
It it hits home for some of youto make sure that you know,
when we're engaging with peoplein the world, that we are always
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showing them Jesus.
And when we if we, because wedon't have to, we don't have to,
I'm sticking true, stickingtrue to my guns when it comes to
that.
When we, if we I don't want tosay when we if we find ourselves
in a situation where we havedone something that was not
pleasing in the sight of theLord and we have offended people
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because of our feelings, ouremotions, we have offended
people because of the flesh,then we definitely need to be
apologizing, we definitely needto be repenting, and I know that
for sure that the Holy Spiritis going to lead us to make it
right.
Whenever we're wrong, it doesn'tmatter who you've wronged.
You don't have to be a believerin Christ.
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It could be somebody who's a,it could be a complete atheist.
If you owe them an apology, youowe them an apology on the
strength of the Holy Spirit,because you say you're a child
of God and every single personis your neighbor, saved or not.
Right?
So take that.
But I probably shouldn't saythat because that's a ditty word
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, right?
I would just want to say takeit to the bank.
Let me say it like that Take itto the bank.
All right, I love y'all so much.
Stay up and walk in the spirit.
Walk in the spirit.
So this has been anotherepisode of the Soul Fuel Podcast
.
Again, this is your pit stopfor your soul to be fueled for
your journey in life, as we dothis thing with Christ.
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Again, no-transcript.
What's happening everybody, welcome to another
episode of the Soul Fuel Podcast, the pit stop for your soul to
be fueled for your journey inlife.
And of course, y'all know we'redoing it with Christ.
Listen, I'm your host, willieRobbins III, aka Pastor Will, or
Will to some of you who know meas that.
Listen, I just wanted to cometo you with another what I feel
(00:25):
is a necessary conversation thatneeds to be had.
If you're looking at mybackground and you're looking at
me, I know I probably look alittle raggedy.
I need to shave, I need some.
You know I have a little littlebit stuff that's going on here
that that needs to be rectifiedand we're going to take care of
that.
I'm not in my normal space thatwe usually record the pod in,
(00:50):
but it's OK.
I'm out of town.
Right now I'm in Clarksville,tennessee, at my dad's place.
I'm sitting on the air mattressright now and I said you know
what I owe the people?
An episode I owe people in theepisode.
So, regardless, I packed up mylights and my camera and my
computer and the Rodecaster andI said, hey, I got to find some
(01:11):
time to squeeze this in, so itmay not be edited the way that
the other episodes are, but it'sOK, because we're going to make
it do what it do, All right.
So that brings me to ourconversation for today.
So that brings me to ourconversation for today, which is
the question when is itnecessary for the church to
apologize to the world?
When is it necessary for us, asbelievers, to apologize to the
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world?
Everybody's up in arms aboutsinger gospel singer, recording
artist, pastor preacher KimBurrell.
(01:54):
She apologizes at the StellaAwards for the words that she
had towards the LMNOP community,and I think it's interesting.
I think it's interesting.
I think it's interestingbecause so many people have so
many different things to say andthere's so many ways to look at
it, but I only see one way tolook at it, and the way that is.
I believe it is biblical, noteven just biblical, but
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spiritual.
Well, if it's biblical, itshould be spiritual, right.
So the the reason why I thinkit's necessary to talk about it
is because there should never bea time where we have to
apologize to the world.
It should never be a time wherewe have to apologize to the
world.
There may be times where wehave to apologize to people for
a wrong that we may have donewith how tight you are in
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obeying the Word of God andobeying the Spirit, so that you
can walk in the Spirit, so thatyou can always have the fruits
of the Spirit on display.
So, for Ms Kimberrell to havewords to say about the Elemental
Pea community, about theirlifestyle or whatever you know
(03:08):
their lifestyle or whatever, Ithink it's one thing to talk
about the lifestyle inaccordance to what scripture
says, and continuing to preachthe truth, no matter what right.
We know what is an abomination,we understand all of these
things.
Now, how are you saying it?
Is it necessary?
We know that it's now.
It's always necessary to preachthe truth, but from where?
From what place?
Right?
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So this is, this is the onlycase where it's necessary to
apologize, because when youspeak from a place of hurt and
pain and not in the spirit, andnot in the spirit, now you have
to apologize, because when youspeak from pain and hurt and
(03:50):
whatever's going on in your life, you're going to speak on
something.
Even though it may be true, itstill comes from a lying place.
Now, what do you mean by that?
When it comes from a lyingplace?
I'm just simply saying thatit's coming from a place where
you don't care how it comes off.
You don't care how you say it.
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So, as a believer, let me say itlike this, because I don't want
you to get lost in the sauce,because I'm probably having a
weird way of wording this rightnow, but what I'm saying is you
should never tell the truth withthe intentions of trying to
hurt somebody, right, the truthshould never come out at at the
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expense of you being emotionaland not being able to control
your emotions because you'reupset.
Emotional and not being able tocontrol your emotions because
you're upset.
That will probably be the time,the best time, for you to keep
your mouth closed before you saysomething that you do have to
apologize for.
And so, in the case of MsKimberrell, speaking to the
element of community or topeople who are of that lifestyle
(05:00):
, again, I believe, if you speakfrom a place of hurt and
aggravation and anything that isnot of the fruit of the spirit,
if you speak from any of thoseplaces and you offend in, in in
any way that is, outside of thespirit which is operating in how
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you feel and your emotions,you're going to say things the
way that you shouldn't say itNow.
The truth is always going tooffend, no matter what.
The truth is always going tooffend, no matter what.
So I could say that you know,the world is going to hell in
the nicest way and people willget an attitude about it.
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And guess what?
Just because they get anattitude about it and just
because I said it in the nicestway doesn't take away the fact
that it's true according to theword and according to what we
believe as Christians and whatwe believe as true followers,
active believing followers ofJesus.
We believe this, we believe it.
So it's not.
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It's not that we we got towatch what we say, but sometimes
it's how we say it, sometimesit's how we say it and sometimes
there are other there.
I believe that there are spacesthat the Holy Spirit will give
it to you to communicate in acertain kind of way.
I know this because Icommunicate every morning,
monday through Friday, inpreaching the gospel.
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There are certain ways I saycertain things to be able to
remain right.
I don't sugarcoat anything andI don't say anything.
That's not true for the sake ofsparing people's feelings.
Now I say things under theinfluence of the Holy Spirit and
I believe that whatever theHoly Spirit gives us to say it
will come across to each andevery person in truth.
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It will come off as truth.
It wouldn't come off as you'retrying to hurt me, right?
And I believe that the wordsthat Kimberl said if I want to
go back and watch the videos orthe clips of the things that she
said, I believe it was all oversocial media, of the things
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that she said I believe it wasall over social media.
And the reason for the apologyis another thing.
Right, we come to the part ofwhy and everything that I just
explained should tell you whythere is a time where people of
God should apologize to theworld.
There is a time where wherepeople of God should apologize
to the world, and that is thatagain is when we speak out of
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term, when we say things that weshould not say in the way that
we say it, right?
Um, I remember a while ago, uh,in the Kojic church.
Uh, they had a preacher by thename of Dr Earl Carter who spoke
at the convocation I can'tremember what year it was, but
Bishop Blake was the presidingbishop at the time and he got up
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and he preached a message andobviously he spoke a lot of
truth, but it's the way that hesaid what he said.
It had it.
He spoke a lot of truth, butit's the way that he said what
he said, and I believe that hedid owe an apology to, to
everyone who heard him speak,because not only was it
offensive to those who would bea part of the element of
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community as much as they doneed to hear the truth, right,
but it was what he said.
He was talking, talking about.
He hoped that the men bleedfrom their behind.
He said a lot of wild stuff.
He said a lot of wild stuff,and and that is where the lines
get blurred.
That is where the lines getblurred where it is not the
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spirit of God, because thespirit of God would never have
you wish anything bad on anybody, no matter if it is the world,
no matter if they live alifestyle.
That is an that is abominableto the Lord.
But guess what?
All unrighteousness is reallyabominable to the Lord.
So, um, I know we do.
There is a.
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It seems as if scripture putsan emphasis on that, and it does
, and it is one of those thingsto really be against, and but at
the same time, it's all sin,you know all sin, because
Proverbs would tell us that afalse balance is an abomination
to the Lord.
So, but a just weight is whatpleases him, so to speak.
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I think I'm butchering thattext, but I'm pretty I'm
absolutely sure of the firstpart, but it just a just weight
is his delight, that's what itsays.
A just weight is his delight.
So the first part of it is afalse balance is an abomination
to the Lord and a just weight isis is his delight, right?
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So I say that to say that whenI bring up, you know, dr Earl
Carter and the things that hesaid, you know that is the time
where it is necessary for um,for believers, to apologize,
right, um?
And as now, I'll take the timeand apologize to the world for
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being exposed to a falsechristianity.
I want to take the time.
Let me look in the camera allthe way.
The camera's a little shakybecause it's on the bed with me,
so so, but I want to take thetime to apologize that that the
people who have calledthemselves, telling you the
truth in the name of Jesus, didnot fully live out the life that
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they were preaching.
I am sorry that you have cameacross those people who left a
bad taste in your mouth.
But what I will not be sorryabout and what I will never
apologize for is the gospel ofthe Lord Jesus Christ.
I will not be sorry about andwhat I will never apologize for
is the gospel of the Lord JesusChrist.
I will not be ashamed oftelling you that, that I
disagree, and the Lord isagainst same sex marriages.
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The Lord is against man and manbeing married.
He's against women and women aswell.
Now, does that stop us fromloving you and treating you like
a human being?
Absolutely not.
It does not.
It does not.
So, um so, when we say thesethings, I know and some people
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are going to be irritated andmad and upset that I just said
what I said.
See what I'm saying, like youcan say it in the nicest way
possible it doesn't mean thatpeople won't still won't get mad
.
That's not the point.
The point is we can't be outhere running our mouths and
talking about people becausewe're upset and mad and and then
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hurt people.
In the name of Jesus, let mesay that again.
Let me say this in a clear,concise way where I can chop
this up and you can repeat itand you can share it as much as
you want.
We cannot be out here hurtingpeople in the name of Jesus
Right?
And so her apology was necessary.
I believe her apology wasnecessary because she, she may
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have said not have to go backand look at it, but if you're
apologizing for what you say andyou're holding yourself
accountable and the spirit hasconvicted you, and you're not
apologizing just so that you canget a check, just so that you
can go to the next level again,so that you can stop being
blackballed, you know, that'sone reason you should never
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apologize for the sake of money.
You should never apologize fortelling the truth so that you
can get back in the spotlight.
No, that should never be thecase.
Never be the case.
That should never be the caseat all.
But I want to say that youshould definitely apologize if
what you say is not in thespirit, because, just as we're
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supposed to walk in the spirit,we're supposed to talk in the
spirit.
Supposed to walk in the spirit,we're supposed to talk in the
spirit.
We're supposed to um, um,conduct ourselves as wise men
with outsiders.
And in order to do that, youmust stand on business Like
everybody be talking about.
You must stand on business.
As a Christian, you got tostand on business, right.
You have to stand on the truth.
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You have to because if youdon't, then of course you know,
if you don't, we get what we get.
In the world today, you getlukewarm Christians who feel
like they can do whatever theywant to do, and people who are
in the world feel like theydon't need to change.
There's nothing that needs tochange because you have
compromised just all for thesake of a dollar, right, all for
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the sake of a dollar.
So, with miss kimberrellapologizing, I think it was
necessary.
But you know, in her apology Ijust listened to it right before
I started recording this in herapology, you know, there's a
few things to take away from itand a few things to analyze and
to observe.
And with her apology, I feellike her apology was to save her
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career.
I feel like her apology was tosave her career because she gave
the apology when she wasreceiving a stellar award, right
, and so she took thatopportunity to apologize.
Fine, great, a wonderful timing, wonderful timing, but the
wrong speech.
I believe that she should haveapologized for how she said,
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what she said and in the spiritthat she may have said it in
right, that's one way to see it.
And then, two, she could havenot said anything at all, just
gave a speech and she could havesaid how much she loved all
people.
Right, because we love allpeople, we don't just love those
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who are straight, we love thebisexual people, we love the gay
people, we love the lesbians,we love them all.
We even love the transformers,right?
You know, I try to.
I say LMNOP community, and Isay that for the sake of YouTube
and for the sake of where thesewill go.
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I don't, you know, they canflag it either way, but you
understand what I'm saying.
Anybody trans, we love thesepeople, right?
I used to be super, duperhomophobic.
I used to be so homophobicuntil I was 18.
Now I was 19.
I was getting ready to graduate, no, I was 18.
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And, um, I had, there was a guywho was in my acting class and
he was gay and, uh, I just usedto be.
So I wasn't like disgusted byhim or anything like that.
I just never wanted to bearound.
I never wanted to be caughtwith him by myself.
I never did.
You know, I just never.
This super masculine like, uh,super masculine, um, way right,
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I just didn't want it and, um,it was kind of immature because
I kind of hurt him.
You know, I kind of hurt him inacting that way, even though
you know he shared that hedidn't care and, um, it took me
to have a conversation with him.
I had a conversation with himand I was less bothered and I
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could be around him.
I still, you know, just still,I didn't want my good evil
spoken of, but I wasn't reallysaved like that anyway, I just
knew that I didn't want no partsof that lifestyle, I didn't
want to be around it and to thisday I still don't want to be
around it like that.
But my perspective changed whenhe, when we had a simple
conversation and I thought itwas dope.
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So I think that conversationhelped me be a better believer,
helped me be a better, uh, uhfollower of Christ, because, you
know, I believe that Jesuswouldn't be ashamed to be around
certain people, um, as peoplelove to say that Jesus hung out
with sinners, but no, they hungout with him, they followed him
Right.
And so, um, again, at that timeI was not professing.
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I was been in church my wholelife but I was not professing to
be a um, you know, to be savedlike that.
I gotten saved many times.
Every Sunday I went and gotsaved but, um, I wasn't really
professing like that, but at thetime again when we had that
conversation, it just made mesee things a whole lot different
.
And after high school I ended upyou know he's a photographer
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and I ended up taking my photosfor my acting career and we
remain, you know, acquaintances.
I was like somewhat likefriends, but I didn't talk to
him like that, but it hadnothing to do with anything else
, but other than you know, wewere just I, just I called him
for some headshots and I paidhim.
He was good at what he did andyou know he would joke and he
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had his moments where he wassuper flamboyant and moments
when he wasn't.
He understood what I believe.
He understood what I stood on.
I was always believing in, Iwas always rooting for him to be
with a woman and he was like.
He was just like if I had to bewith somebody, it would be this
such and such person.
I'm like, okay, okay, I waslike, yeah, she's cute.
We accept people as human beings, but we don't have to accept a
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lifestyle in the same way thatwe don't accept the lifestyle of
a crackhead.
We don't accept the lifestyleof a drug addict, a drunk or a A
gambler you know somebody witha real bad gambling issue.
We don't support that.
So it's the same way.
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We look at that.
We we look at that the same way.
I'm not going to support alifestyle, but I will always
support people, the person as aperson.
So in my support, I'm alwaysgoing to be pushing people to
the truth, right, and I and Ithink it's more important in
this situation that we learnedfrom this situation with kim
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borrell that we have to live thetruth.
We have to live the truth andbe unapologetic about it, but
only when we're doing it in thelikeness of our lord and savior,
jesus christ.
We have to still show love,like showing love does not mean
don't tell the truth, right,because today is today's
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generation and and the societythat we live in today says that
love means that we have toaccept and support every
lifestyle that there is.
And so, um, I strongly disagreewith that and I all, I will
always preach the truth.
I will always preach againstevery lifestyle that is not of
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God.
I will always, because it's forus to remind each other as
believers that this is not ofGod, that we can't accept that
type of life, Just like we can'taccept the lives of some
Christians who say they love theLord and are in the closet
about everything, not justhomosexuality or anything like
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that, but not just that, buteverything like pedos, right,
people who like underage.
No, we, we have to be againstall of that Right and we have to
be, we have to be against allof that Right and we have to be,
we have to be willing to callit out, we have to be honest
with ourselves, we have to walkin the spirit and by the spirit.
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So, with Kimberl apologizing tothe uh element of P community,
um, again, I think it was amissed opportunity for her to
stand on the truth, right, andshe doesn't quote all of the
scripture that she uses about um, following peace with all men.
You know, you know there was.
I just feel like that was amissed opportunity.
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And yeah, again, to end thisepisode, I just want to say we
do need to apologize when we'rewrong, right, we do need to
repent when we're wrong and Ibelieve that when we repent when
we're wrong.
That shows more about the loveof God.
Now you still have to again.
You have to be clear on whatyou're apologizing for, because
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it'll sound like you'reapologizing for the gospel and I
don't know about you, but Iwill not be ashamed of the
gospel.
I will not be ashamed of thegospel, all right, and um, I
think this is a real lessonlearned.
A real lesson learned that wecannot go around just running
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our mouths saying things that,uh, that to on purpose to hurt
people, for, in the name ofJesus, you cannot hurt people in
the name of Jesus.
You, you, you heal people inthe name of Jesus.
You cannot hurt people in thename of Jesus.
You heal people in the name ofJesus and you help people live
in the name of Jesus by tellingthe truth in love, right and
again, true love.
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You know it comes with peopletelling you the truth and when
people realize it and they feelthat coming from you, they may
not believe or accept whatyou're saying, but they will
respect it.
I feel like a lot of peoplewould respect it.
There are a lot of things that Idon't agree with and people
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that I know that I don't agreewith don't agree with Um, but
they respect it because I'mdoing my best to live it out
right.
We all have to do our best tolive it out.
So, again, I hope this makessense.
I hope what I said you know it.
It it hits home for some of youto make sure that you know,
when we're engaging with peoplein the world, that we are always
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showing them Jesus.
And when we if we, because wedon't have to, we don't have to,
I'm sticking true, stickingtrue to my guns when it comes to
that.
When we, if we I don't want tosay when we if we find ourselves
in a situation where we havedone something that was not
pleasing in the sight of theLord and we have offended people
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because of our feelings, ouremotions, we have offended
people because of the flesh,then we definitely need to be
apologizing, we definitely needto be repenting, and I know that
for sure that the Holy Spiritis going to lead us to make it
right.
Whenever we're wrong, it doesn'tmatter who you've wronged.
You don't have to be a believerin Christ.
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It could be somebody who's a,it could be a complete atheist.
If you owe them an apology, youowe them an apology on the
strength of the Holy Spirit,because you say you're a child
of God and every single personis your neighbor, saved or not.
Right?
So take that.
But I probably shouldn't saythat because that's a ditty word
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, right?
I would just want to say takeit to the bank.
Let me say it like that Take itto the bank.
All right, I love y'all so much.
Stay up and walk in the spirit.
Walk in the spirit.
So this has been anotherepisode of the Soul Fuel Podcast
.
Again, this is your pit stopfor your soul to be fueled for
your journey in life, as we dothis thing with Christ.
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