July 18, 2025 • 39 mins
In this episode, I sit down with my friend Javier who embodies quiet confidence and timeless style.
He’s spent years in the fashion world, not chasing trends but shaping spaces, stories, and moods. With a dry sense of humor, a grounded presence, and a soul that doesn’t need the spotlight, Javier brings a kind of wisdom that’s both understated and unforgettable.
We talk about what it means to move through life with intention, how being misunderstood can become its own kind of teacher, and why style—at its best—isn’t about what you wear, but how you live.
This conversation is for anyone who’s ever felt unseen in loud rooms, who values thoughtfulness over performance, and who knows there’s power in the quiet.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Good afternoon and welcome to Everybody.
The podcast which sharesstories that highlight people in
life, that make the world aninteresting place, which
ultimately ties us all togetherin unique and wonderful ways.
And who am I, you might ask.
I would be the head-wrappedsocialite, wife, mom,
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micro-influencer in the fashionand etiquette world, but on this
podcast I will be introducingyou to some people who I've had
the opportunity to meet along myjourney, who have helped enrich
me and my life in beautifulways and who I hope will do the
same in yours.
Today's guest is someone whomoves through the world with
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quiet clarity, an impeccable eyeand the kind of humor that cuts
through the noise.
Javier is a curator by nature,of spaces, of style, of feelings
.
He doesn't seek the spotlight.
Feelings.
He doesn't seek the spotlight.
Instead, he invites you intohis glow by his thoughtfulness,
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restraint and rhythm.
We first crossed paths while Iwas in California, in a shop
which felt more like a gallery.
Even in the midst of all thatbeauty, it was Javi's presence
that stood out.
He's a little mysterious, warm,but not performative.
He is the kind of person thatyou instantly know has lived a
life worth living, a life worthlistening to.
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So please help me in welcomingmy friend Javi to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Thank you.
Wow, what an introduction.
I'm not used to it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You deserve all the things.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thank you, that's very kind.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Can you tell the listeners a little bit about who
you are?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I was born in Nicaragua and I came to America
in 1978 because of therevolution, that civil war had
happened in Nicaragua.
It was quite shocking.
I mean the fact that I was ableto get here.
I know it saved my life becausethey were the people.
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These revolutionary people wereactually taking anyone male
from their homes to go out andfight and families had
absolutely no choice and no votein it.
So I probably would have beentaken away to go out and fight
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and I was quite young, 11, 12,maybe that's where I, that's
where I come from, and I feelthat I am simple Simple, not
intentionally complicated, butmaybe complex, and I really work
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at not being complicated.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Have you always been that way?
Is it something you noticeabout yourself, or did others
point that out?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
you notice about yourself or did others point
that out?
Unfortunately, I would say Ithink I have been misjudged and
misunderstood most of my lifeand I feel that sometimes
they've used complicated insteadof complex.
And when I say complex it'sbecause when one thinks, then
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you get opinions and then whenyou get opinions, then you get
thoughts and you get, and thenif you add experience and then
you add a certain style aboutthe way you do things and you
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keep adding and adding, itbecomes more complex.
It's not necessarilycomplicated, but it's more
complex.
It could be as simple as I'drather do these.
Many cushions on a sofa insteadof two.
Someone might find thatcomplicated or difficult or
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demanding, or you'll see, butthat's because that's just
another layer in how I want tolive, or how I would want maybe
the sofa to be inviting For sure, or how I would want maybe the
sofa to be inviting For sure.
And someone who believes theyare simple, they believe being
simple means I don't really carewhether it's got two cushions
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or six cushions or five.
And why are you being socomplicated that you must have
five cushions?
And it's not about beingcomplicated.
People are not easy, butthey're not complicated, it's
just complex.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Right, and it's like think too, you ask people to
understand where you are,Because I always say people
always like to label thosethings which they don't
understand.
Right, Because then it makestheir lives a lot simpler.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
You know, we'll put him in the box, and I already
know exactly what to do withthat.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Right, instead of doing the work to understand the
complexities of human natureand the finding out.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yes, absolutely yes.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Do you think we get to a point because I know at
this point of where I am in mylife I want to get to understand
who people are, not to judge,you know do we reach a point in
our lives where we're open tothat?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
To not judging.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yes, because think about when we're children.
You don't know anything.
As a kid You're like three,four, five.
You know you like someonebecause you like someone.
They ask questions, you answer.
There's no in between.
You see people for what theyare, and this is a question that
I've asked a couple of otherguests.
When do you think that part oflife becomes jaded?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I think it's related to the spirit, meaning how
strong it is when you come intothe world.
And I'll say this because itbecomes jaded, as you call it,
or it becomes highlighted.
I used to see people as peopleuntil I was told I was terribly
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ugly, and then I became awarethat there is a non-ugly.
Do you know, does that make anysense to you?
I might not have been strongenough spiritually at that point
in time in my life that it justit made a shift, and so I
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walked about for a long timelooking and thinking this is
ugly and this is not.
You see, I didn't know.
I really truly do not recallbefore the age of 12 thinking
that anything or anyone would beugly, until I was told I was so
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.
Well, if I'm truly uglyphysically, then there's got to
be a not ugly physically.
And what is it?
And you know what's veryinteresting?
I think it's an experience thatall human beings we go through,
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and I feel that young peopleare going through it now through
social media, and also adultsare going through it by watching
those shows on television thatare dictating to you how and
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what you should look like, eatand dress like, right, and I
didn't go through it, except Iwas just simply told over dinner
you're terribly ugly, you know.
But I will say something to youwhich became very interesting.
I didn't stay, and this iscompletely, maybe, off the
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subject.
I didn't really stay with theugly parts.
I remember the whole messageand I was able to unconsciously
not consciously, unconsciouslyfrom a 12-year-old mind.
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We were having dinner at homeand she said you know, you're
very ugly.
I just looked at her an adultin my family and she said and
you're probably going to grow upnot being terribly attractive.
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And then I remember saying well, you're actually mentioning
something to me, you're bringingup something to me that I can't
do anything about.
This is it?
This is the way I look, this isthe way I came out.
And she said well, let me giveyou something you can actually
do something about.
And I said well, what is it?
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And she said well, maybe youcan't do anything about the way
you look, but you can dosomething about your style.
You can create your style.
Instead of wanting to changemyself physically, I always felt
I had control in how I lived mylife, so I always worked at
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trying to make it as lovelylooking as possible, although I
have enjoyed setting up a tableand and making it welcoming and
lovely for whoever I choose toshare it with, there was always
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the other side, which wascreated from not being
good-looking enough.
I lived my life feeling notbeing good enough, not being
thin enough, not being smartenough, not being clever enough,
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not being you see.
So I had both parallel.
You know, oh Javi, what alovely table, oh Javi, how
lovely you're dressed tonight,but always having the other side
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of I'll never be good enough.
You see, I feel it's happeningtoday, just differently.
You know, I think it happens tomost of us and we're just
because I traveled a lot becauseof work.
They were all the same, theynever felt good enough, and now
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it's the same and that's whywe've got.
You know, you do this to yourface and you do this to your
body and you do this to yourcheeks and you do this to your
lips and you do this to, and I,I don't know why it's not being,
or maybe it's, maybe it's beingtalked about, I don't know,
maybe not enough, certainly notin schools, when we're young and
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we should know.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
For sure.
I want to go back to what youfirst said.
I will tell you that I amsurprised that a family member.
It's surprising, but notbecause usually criticism that
we receive as children doesoriginate from the family.
Sometimes there's the onesoriginate from the family.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Sometimes there's one that's you the most.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
That's it.
There are two things that Iwanted to share with you.
First of all, you are gorgeous,because the first thing that I
noticed about you was the beautyin which you held and, dare I
say, glamorous.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Isn't that interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And that is the first thing we talk about the
physicality of it.
But you are simply beautiful.
And then I also thought when youstarted to talk about the
things we hold for me.
When I was younger, we weretold black skin is not beautiful
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, your full lips, your full nosenot beautiful.
And it was not until I startedto fully become aware of who I
was in this world that I'm like,hmm, in this world, and I'm
like, hmm, okay, you're tellingme that my black skin is not
beautiful.
You're telling me my full lips,full my body, is not beautiful.
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But then there are so manypeople who emulate that.
Of course, I'm like what couldbe the truth here?
Whoever told you that you werenot beautiful and wanted to take
your look, your clothes, yourstyle?
There had to be something thatthey saw within you that they
did not recognize in themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yes, it took me decades to it.
The sad part was that she was50-something and I was 12.
That's the sad.
But it took me decades and Iactually did a bit of work Not
too much, but I had theopportunity to go back and see
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her.
She didn't even remembereverything she said to me.
I would suggest anyone, if youhave the opportunity to do it,
to do it, and even if the personhas passed, do it to do it.
And even if the person haspassed, do it.
I had the opportunity and I mether and I said I just want to
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give it all back to you becausewhat you said to me it's not
mine.
And she said what did I say?
So I repeated it.
And she said I don't remember.
And I said what did I say?
So I repeated it and she said Idon't remember.
And I said well, I do andthat's all that really matters.
That I remember.
It was one step forward towardshealing.
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I should have a lot more, butyeah.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
If you could go back and talk to your 12-year-old
self, what would you say to your12-year-old self?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
What would I say?
I think I probably would say alot, but I think that first
thing that comes to mind isyou're whole.
Because of so many experiencesthat I went through rather young
, chipped away my wholeness, andback then, I mean, no one said
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to me we're not meant to beperfect, which is utterly
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impossible.
You know, even to this day,I'll leave the kitchen spotless
and it only lasts one minutebefore someone walks in and just
drops another plate in the sinkthat was spotless.
You see, it's just nothing.
Everything is impermanent inlife.
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Nothing's ever permanent,nothing lasts forever, ever
Nothing, absolutely.
I don't think we would be ableto withstand it, even beauty, I
don't think so.
I think we would go absolutelynuts if every flower in your
garden remained lovely 24-7 forthe rest of your life.
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Exactly, you have to see it ageand you have to see it die and
you've got to see it rebornagain exactly changes the way of
the world, whatever that changelooks like you know, it's very
therapeutic because it teachesyou patience patience, yeah
because if you're growing,anything it teaches you to love,
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even if you're growing anything, it's not going to happen
overnight, so it teaches youpatience and it also teaches you
you're able to see death andrebirth all the time, exactly
and respecting that process.
So nothing is permanent.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Nothing is ever permanent.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
No, nothing is permanent.
Nothing is ever permanent.
It might feel it's going tolast a long time, but it doesn't
last forever.
Anything, anything.
I don't think we're meant towithstand it.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I think you get to a point where you understand that
change is beautiful.
It's inevitable.
Yes, what does your quiet timelook like Like?
What do you do?
What grounds you when you'renot working?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Praying and creating.
I like that it grounds me,because I feel it's organic for
me.
Quiet time has never been lyingdown for me.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
What things do you create?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I'll rearrange the kitchen, I'll garden, just
absolutely anything that puts mein a place of creativity, you
know, but always to share it.
I can't do it for myself.
I've never been able to do itfor myself since I was small.
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I I've never been able to enjoyit.
Don't know why.
Interesting I mean it can get,I mean I.
I guess some people would say,oh, that's lovely that you want
to share.
But I think it's also importantthat you get something from it
for yourself.
And I don't think I've alwaysbeen conscious to say I want to
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enjoy it for me and I want to doit for me.
I have always been highlystimulated when I know someone
else is in it.
I can't do it alone.
I don't know why I have neverbeen able to.
My grandmama used to keep mycolor pencils at home because it
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made me happy having them, togive them away, and my grandmama
would say we don't have enoughmoney to get you more, so you've
got to keep them at home.
But to me I just never enjoyedhaving them if I couldn't.
And it sounds odd, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
No, because you're a sharer.
See, dear listeners, dearlisteners, I told you you need a
friend like Javi, graciously,like gives of himself.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Until my mom said it, I guess I didn't.
I'm like what you know.
Someone says oh, what a lovelyjacket.
Oh, here, take it.
Does it fit?
Take it yeah.
So my mom would say would youplease don't give.
Just keep your tie and keepyour jacket.
What will you do if someonesays great shoes.
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What are you going to do?
You know, I used to do it allthe time.
That's a great bracelet you'rewearing.
I would literally take it offand give it.
Yeah, wow, I hope you stop that.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I hope you put the bracelet in the ring.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I stopped, my social life became smaller, so that's
probably why, it just became alot less and smaller.
I mean, it can be judged as, oh, you know you're not
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appreciative of your work andthe money you spend buying those
things, but to me there werealways things at the end of the
day, you know, For sure.
And if that person truthfullyyou know and I could see it that
they truthfully liked it notwant it.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
There's a difference.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I sensed they really, really liked it Right.
Not want it Right.
Not want to, because I probablywouldn't give it if I felt
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Because if the energy wasn't right, Right, right,
right.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But I don't think I consciously knew it then.
Right, I think it was my ownspirit, knowing the person would
appreciate it, the person wouldlike it, the person would For
sure you know the person wouldFor sure.
You know the person For sure.
And so I gave it away.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I like your glasses, javi.
Oh, just saying.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
You know, and I think that's what made the difference
to me.
I think For sure, who are thepeople or what made the
difference to me?
I think that's what made it.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Who are the people or what are the places that help
you return to yourself when theworld pulls you off course?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
My sister and now my niece, who I live with both of
them they bring me back.
They remind me in a good sense.
You know They'll say somethingthat will take me away from my
ego.
Oh, you know, don't believethat too much, Javi, that will
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keep me humble, it will bring me.
I mean, they both absolutely doit and there's a huge difference
in ages.
I mean, my niece is only 15,but she's got that sharp
inherited sense of self andthey'll oh yes, they'll keep me
in check quickly so they keep mehumble.
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Yes, I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I have just two more questions for you.
Do you see space as somethingmore to be styled or something
to be felt?
How do you know when a space isright?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
If it doesn't read us comfort.
I have met people who payattention to the space and the
architecture of it and thelighting.
And if it does not read comfort, to me it's yeah, comfort to me
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, it's yeah.
To me it's comfort.
I feel that that's probably oneof the most prominent energy I
have and I project, I think,comfort and I project, I think,
comfort.
You know, when I've had womencomments about what I'm wearing
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and it's happened to me many,many, many, many, many, many
times I always used to think,hmm, why me and why what I'm
wearing?
And I realized that theyprobably don't know it.
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But I feel it's related tocomfort and this is part of the
complexities I guess that wetalked about earlier.
Because I really don't dressthe way it's commonly known that
a man would dress, commonlyknown that a man would dress.
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I can see that there are piecesor accessories that a man would
find feminine or for a woman,so I see how it can draw
attention to women.
If I start to dissect it, Ithink that many things women
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wear are not meant to becomfortable, Feel that, perhaps
unconsciously, the women whomake a comment are probably
women who might unconsciously bethinking, maybe thinking how is
it possible to look pleasantlywell and be comfortable?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You see, because it's so.
Counterintuitive almost.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Right, and unless you're wearing shorts and a
t-shirt and trainers, you're notcomfortable.
Yeah, so the reason why Ibrought this up, I feel that
that's my biggest, probably mostprominent energy, whether it's
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the sofa or me, it's reallycomfort.
It's to be comfortable, alwayscomfortable.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
So I know my listeners are going to be really
mad if I don't ask you thisquestion.
When you worked for Dior, whatdid you do?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, I started with makeup.
I think it must have been aboutsix months and then I went on
to skincare, and then I went onto training, hiring, and it was
a whole different world than itis now.
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And that's when I realized,with skincare and training and
meeting hundreds of women,that's when I got to see that
women in general didn't feelgood enough.
It's tricky, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, society can really do a number on people.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, and I feel that and this may sound maybe
controversial or might not makeme a popular person, but I feel
that if women were moresupportive of each other, I
think a lot of this not beinggood enough would change.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Going back to your original point that we spoke
about in the beginning feelingcomplete with who you are.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Right, it's to be whole, because then you'll be
able to see everything thatyou've got.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Oh, circle back to that point to be whole, right To
be complete.
Well, being able to recognizethe smallest details that were
meant just for you to find inthis world, that's the oneness
right With who we are, thefeeling of being complete.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
The internet, social media, those things will never,
ever, ever be able to fill ourcups in the way that the Spirit
needs Right and to say just onemore thing, which is, you know,
I often do with friends at somepoint, not when I first meet
them, but at some point.
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As a society in America, we'reso caught into titles, right, so
you're a mom and you're a wifeand you're an executive and you
are the list goes on and Ialways ask them what's going on
with Trina?
What's going on with Trina?
Not the mom, not the wife, notthe homemaker, not the executive
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, not the model, not the artist.
You, where are you?
You see, and I just askedsomeone the other day that
question I said you know, I sayyour kids are growing, they're
going to go to college, right,and now you won't be filling up
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your gaps by being a mom, right?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
So where are you in you?
That's a great question.
I can tell you in this moment,at this time, my cup is full.
Like.
That's how I feel, you know, inthis moment, to sit in this
space, share this space with you.
My friend, my cup is full,there's nothing else that calls
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me, but this moment.
Do you have a mantra?
Is there something that you youknow?
Wake up every day and say toyourself something that allows
you to be purposefully driven.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yes, I have to feel everything and I'll tell you
that's how I live my life.
If I didn't feel this, what youand I are having at this very
moment, I wouldn't do it.
That's the underlying threadthat connects my whole life.
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If I make a meal for youbecause I felt it, and if I
didn't, it's because I didn'tfeel it.
So it sounds odd, but I don'tdo well with manners.
I mean, yes, there's such athing as diplomacy and all.
Yes, I do understand it, but Ido well.
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I feel it's an affectation.
When people say to me, oh,you're so nice, I always say I'm
not.
Mickey Mouse is not.
I'm not nice.
Nice to me is to me.
It's an affectation.
So if I give you a gift, I feltit.
If I gave you a hug, I felt it.
And when I don't do it and Iget asked why didn't you?
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And I say because I don't feelit.
So let me be judged by othersfor not being nice, but be happy
when I give it to you, it wasauthentic.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think that's the point of authentic living.
You know, authenticity isliving in your truth.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
You have to own, you've got to own you.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yes, correct.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Do you own your womanhood?
Do you own your manhood At somepoint?
Some own it at 12, some own itat 15.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
So once you own it.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
You can't live a certain way.
No, I know exactly I saw myselfat nine years old.
This is what I am.
So at nine, I knew I was gay.
At nine years old.
How can I possibly not striveto be authentic the rest of my
life, about everything of mylife, the rest of my life, about
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everything of my life?
If I show it and I owned it andI live it, I mean I don't wear
it until someone mentions it,right, like I don't even say it,
like I said it now, unless I'vegot a purpose Right for sure.
So how can I be a terrible liarand how can I be inauthentic
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and how can I be all that when,at nine years old, I know this
and I know for sure you see.
So anything fake won't fit right.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yes, right.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's how I saw it.
I was nine years old, I knew it.
I knew it 100% at nine.
So everything else that doesn'tfit with the truth, I can't do
it.
I like that, do you know?
Oh, be nice to so-and-so why?
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I'm not going to be rude, butI'm not going to go out of my
way to betray myself, but I'mnot going to pretend.
How can I pretend when I havenot pretended since I was nine?
I guess I'm not clever enoughto do it.
How can I now?
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I have not pretended since Iwas nine, so how can I do it now
?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I'd love that.
No, I couldn't do it.
If there was one thing youwould hope that people who are
listening to this podcast wouldtake away, what would you hope
that they would take?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
away that you are just fine the way you are.
I love you.
You're just absolutely fine theway that you are in everything,
everything, in everything.
You're fine, you're fine,you're good, that's it yeah you
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don't need anything and youdon't need, you're fine, just so
.
Yeah, I would love if anyonegets.
Yeah, that yeah uh-huh yes Ilove that.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I love that.
I'm gonna sit with that for amoment.
Javi, in the beginning you saidthere were no coincidences, and
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I know that it was not acoincidence that we met you that
day, and I just want you toknow how honored I am to sit in
this space and share this spacewith you.
Me too, and your honesty, yourhumor, you've reminded me that
spirit, that presence, is apowerful thing, without it
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having to be loud or boisterous,and that sometimes the most
elegant thing that we can offeris the restraint of who we are
and who we are becoming.
And I again thank you for thismoment To everyone who's
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listening.
May this conversation inviteyou to sit down, to be present
to the present, to trust andhonor the beauty of being holy
yourself.
And now that this interview hasofficially concluded.
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I do have fun questions, or Ithink they're fun.
Fun questions for you, myfriend.
Okay, the first question is ifyour style had a soundtrack,
what song would your soundtrackbe playing when you entered
rooms?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Hmm, that's a difficult one.
I would say it would have to besomething with Ella Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Ooh, what's?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
a guilty pleasure.
You're actually not guiltyabout or buying myself something
that I don't really need andit's not $9.99, but I still want
it and I'll spend the money forit and get it.
Absolutely, I don't feel badabout it, and the same goes with
(37:37):
food when people are here.
Oh my God, I shouldn't have hadthe pudding after dinner.
Now I feel awful.
I absolutely love it.
I enjoy it.
I enjoy it fully.
I completely enjoy it fully andI don't feel I have absolutely
no regrets.
Do I need it?
Absolutely not.
Do I want it?
Yes, and I get it.
(37:58):
I love it and I get it, and evenif I'm judged.
Oh my God, why would you wantto spend blah blah on a coffee
table book?
I want it and it gives me greatpleasure, for sure I love
indulgences, yeah, okay, I couldcome back to the song.
Yes, it's just that I love EllaFitzgerald and I have so many
(38:23):
songs, so I have to choose one.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
No, okay, while you're working on that.
If your presence left behind acolor, what would that color?
Be, If your aura could be acolor, a scent or a feeling,
what would it be?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
A scent, it would be jasmine, definitely jasmine.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Oh, I'd love that.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
And the feeling again , again comforts, tranquility
and, in a color actually white,purity, I think whites, and they
all go back to my childhood,growing among priests and nuns,
so I'm always attracted to theblack and white.
So interesting and when I'm mostcomfortable and I feel good
(39:06):
with it.
I look like a priest.
I'm wearing all black with thewhite.
But it does not make me unique,because if you read Coco
Chanel's biography, the blackand white was because she grew
up in a nunnery, so I'm notterribly unique about it.
It just so happens that Ihappened to read and I thought,
(39:28):
oh, there are two of us.
Good afternoon and welcome to Everybody.
The podcast which sharesstories that highlight people in
life, that make the world aninteresting place, which
ultimately ties us all togetherin unique and wonderful ways.
And who am I, you might ask.
I would be the head-wrappedsocialite, wife, mom,
(00:23):
micro-influencer in the fashionand etiquette world, but on this
podcast I will be introducingyou to some people who I've had
the opportunity to meet along myjourney, who have helped enrich
me and my life in beautifulways and who I hope will do the
same in yours.
Today's guest is someone whomoves through the world with
(00:47):
quiet clarity, an impeccable eyeand the kind of humor that cuts
through the noise.
Javier is a curator by nature,of spaces, of style, of feelings
.
He doesn't seek the spotlight.
Feelings.
He doesn't seek the spotlight.
Instead, he invites you intohis glow by his thoughtfulness,
(01:16):
restraint and rhythm.
We first crossed paths while Iwas in California, in a shop
which felt more like a gallery.
Even in the midst of all thatbeauty, it was Javi's presence
that stood out.
He's a little mysterious, warm,but not performative.
He is the kind of person thatyou instantly know has lived a
life worth living, a life worthlistening to.
(01:36):
So please help me in welcomingmy friend Javi to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Thank you.
Wow, what an introduction.
I'm not used to it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You deserve all the things.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thank you, that's very kind.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Can you tell the listeners a little bit about who
you are?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I was born in Nicaragua and I came to America
in 1978 because of therevolution, that civil war had
happened in Nicaragua.
It was quite shocking.
I mean the fact that I was ableto get here.
I know it saved my life becausethey were the people.
(02:22):
These revolutionary people wereactually taking anyone male
from their homes to go out andfight and families had
absolutely no choice and no votein it.
So I probably would have beentaken away to go out and fight
(02:47):
and I was quite young, 11, 12,maybe that's where I, that's
where I come from, and I feelthat I am simple Simple, not
intentionally complicated, butmaybe complex, and I really work
(03:13):
at not being complicated.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Have you always been that way?
Is it something you noticeabout yourself, or did others
point that out?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
you notice about yourself or did others point
that out?
Unfortunately, I would say Ithink I have been misjudged and
misunderstood most of my lifeand I feel that sometimes
they've used complicated insteadof complex.
And when I say complex it'sbecause when one thinks, then
(03:48):
you get opinions and then whenyou get opinions, then you get
thoughts and you get, and thenif you add experience and then
you add a certain style aboutthe way you do things and you
(04:08):
keep adding and adding, itbecomes more complex.
It's not necessarilycomplicated, but it's more
complex.
It could be as simple as I'drather do these.
Many cushions on a sofa insteadof two.
Someone might find thatcomplicated or difficult or
(04:32):
demanding, or you'll see, butthat's because that's just
another layer in how I want tolive, or how I would want maybe
the sofa to be inviting For sure, or how I would want maybe the
sofa to be inviting For sure.
And someone who believes theyare simple, they believe being
simple means I don't really carewhether it's got two cushions
(04:55):
or six cushions or five.
And why are you being socomplicated that you must have
five cushions?
And it's not about beingcomplicated.
People are not easy, butthey're not complicated, it's
just complex.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Right, and it's like think too, you ask people to
understand where you are,Because I always say people
always like to label thosethings which they don't
understand.
Right, Because then it makestheir lives a lot simpler.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
You know, we'll put him in the box, and I already
know exactly what to do withthat.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Right, instead of doing the work to understand the
complexities of human natureand the finding out.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yes, absolutely yes.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Do you think we get to a point because I know at
this point of where I am in mylife I want to get to understand
who people are, not to judge,you know do we reach a point in
our lives where we're open tothat?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
To not judging.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yes, because think about when we're children.
You don't know anything.
As a kid You're like three,four, five.
You know you like someonebecause you like someone.
They ask questions, you answer.
There's no in between.
You see people for what theyare, and this is a question that
I've asked a couple of otherguests.
When do you think that part oflife becomes jaded?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I think it's related to the spirit, meaning how
strong it is when you come intothe world.
And I'll say this because itbecomes jaded, as you call it,
or it becomes highlighted.
I used to see people as peopleuntil I was told I was terribly
(06:49):
ugly, and then I became awarethat there is a non-ugly.
Do you know, does that make anysense to you?
I might not have been strongenough spiritually at that point
in time in my life that it justit made a shift, and so I
(07:14):
walked about for a long timelooking and thinking this is
ugly and this is not.
You see, I didn't know.
I really truly do not recallbefore the age of 12 thinking
that anything or anyone would beugly, until I was told I was so
(07:44):
.
Well, if I'm truly uglyphysically, then there's got to
be a not ugly physically.
And what is it?
And you know what's veryinteresting?
I think it's an experience thatall human beings we go through,
(08:05):
and I feel that young peopleare going through it now through
social media, and also adultsare going through it by watching
those shows on television thatare dictating to you how and
(08:25):
what you should look like, eatand dress like, right, and I
didn't go through it, except Iwas just simply told over dinner
you're terribly ugly, you know.
But I will say something to youwhich became very interesting.
I didn't stay, and this iscompletely, maybe, off the
(08:47):
subject.
I didn't really stay with theugly parts.
I remember the whole messageand I was able to unconsciously
not consciously, unconsciouslyfrom a 12-year-old mind.
(09:08):
We were having dinner at homeand she said you know, you're
very ugly.
I just looked at her an adultin my family and she said and
you're probably going to grow upnot being terribly attractive.
(09:29):
And then I remember saying well, you're actually mentioning
something to me, you're bringingup something to me that I can't
do anything about.
This is it?
This is the way I look, this isthe way I came out.
And she said well, let me giveyou something you can actually
do something about.
And I said well, what is it?
(09:50):
And she said well, maybe youcan't do anything about the way
you look, but you can dosomething about your style.
You can create your style.
Instead of wanting to changemyself physically, I always felt
I had control in how I lived mylife, so I always worked at
(10:14):
trying to make it as lovelylooking as possible, although I
have enjoyed setting up a tableand and making it welcoming and
lovely for whoever I choose toshare it with, there was always
(10:37):
the other side, which wascreated from not being
good-looking enough.
I lived my life feeling notbeing good enough, not being
thin enough, not being smartenough, not being clever enough,
(11:00):
not being you see.
So I had both parallel.
You know, oh Javi, what alovely table, oh Javi, how
lovely you're dressed tonight,but always having the other side
(11:20):
of I'll never be good enough.
You see, I feel it's happeningtoday, just differently.
You know, I think it happens tomost of us and we're just
because I traveled a lot becauseof work.
They were all the same, theynever felt good enough, and now
(12:10):
it's the same and that's whywe've got.
You know, you do this to yourface and you do this to your
body and you do this to yourcheeks and you do this to your
lips and you do this to, and I,I don't know why it's not being,
or maybe it's, maybe it's beingtalked about, I don't know,
maybe not enough, certainly notin schools, when we're young and
(12:33):
we should know.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
For sure.
I want to go back to what youfirst said.
I will tell you that I amsurprised that a family member.
It's surprising, but notbecause usually criticism that
we receive as children doesoriginate from the family.
Sometimes there's the onesoriginate from the family.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Sometimes there's one that's you the most.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
That's it.
There are two things that Iwanted to share with you.
First of all, you are gorgeous,because the first thing that I
noticed about you was the beautyin which you held and, dare I
say, glamorous.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Isn't that interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And that is the first thing we talk about the
physicality of it.
But you are simply beautiful.
And then I also thought when youstarted to talk about the
things we hold for me.
When I was younger, we weretold black skin is not beautiful
(13:35):
, your full lips, your full nosenot beautiful.
And it was not until I startedto fully become aware of who I
was in this world that I'm like,hmm, in this world, and I'm
like, hmm, okay, you're tellingme that my black skin is not
beautiful.
You're telling me my full lips,full my body, is not beautiful.
(13:58):
But then there are so manypeople who emulate that.
Of course, I'm like what couldbe the truth here?
Whoever told you that you werenot beautiful and wanted to take
your look, your clothes, yourstyle?
There had to be something thatthey saw within you that they
did not recognize in themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yes, it took me decades to it.
The sad part was that she was50-something and I was 12.
That's the sad.
But it took me decades and Iactually did a bit of work Not
too much, but I had theopportunity to go back and see
(14:37):
her.
She didn't even remembereverything she said to me.
I would suggest anyone, if youhave the opportunity to do it,
to do it, and even if the personhas passed, do it to do it.
And even if the person haspassed, do it.
I had the opportunity and I mether and I said I just want to
(14:59):
give it all back to you becausewhat you said to me it's not
mine.
And she said what did I say?
So I repeated it.
And she said I don't remember.
And I said what did I say?
So I repeated it and she said Idon't remember.
And I said well, I do andthat's all that really matters.
That I remember.
It was one step forward towardshealing.
(15:19):
I should have a lot more, butyeah.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
If you could go back and talk to your 12-year-old
self, what would you say to your12-year-old self?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
What would I say?
I think I probably would say alot, but I think that first
thing that comes to mind isyou're whole.
Because of so many experiencesthat I went through rather young
, chipped away my wholeness, andback then, I mean, no one said
(15:55):
to me we're not meant to beperfect, which is utterly
(16:18):
impossible.
You know, even to this day,I'll leave the kitchen spotless
and it only lasts one minutebefore someone walks in and just
drops another plate in the sinkthat was spotless.
You see, it's just nothing.
Everything is impermanent inlife.
(16:40):
Nothing's ever permanent,nothing lasts forever, ever
Nothing, absolutely.
I don't think we would be ableto withstand it, even beauty, I
don't think so.
I think we would go absolutelynuts if every flower in your
garden remained lovely 24-7 forthe rest of your life.
(17:06):
Exactly, you have to see it ageand you have to see it die and
you've got to see it rebornagain exactly changes the way of
the world, whatever that changelooks like you know, it's very
therapeutic because it teachesyou patience patience, yeah
because if you're growing,anything it teaches you to love,
(17:27):
even if you're growing anything, it's not going to happen
overnight, so it teaches youpatience and it also teaches you
you're able to see death andrebirth all the time, exactly
and respecting that process.
So nothing is permanent.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Nothing is ever permanent.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
No, nothing is permanent.
Nothing is ever permanent.
It might feel it's going tolast a long time, but it doesn't
last forever.
Anything, anything.
I don't think we're meant towithstand it.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I think you get to a point where you understand that
change is beautiful.
It's inevitable.
Yes, what does your quiet timelook like Like?
What do you do?
What grounds you when you'renot working?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Praying and creating.
I like that it grounds me,because I feel it's organic for
me.
Quiet time has never been lyingdown for me.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
What things do you create?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I'll rearrange the kitchen, I'll garden, just
absolutely anything that puts mein a place of creativity, you
know, but always to share it.
I can't do it for myself.
I've never been able to do itfor myself since I was small.
(18:55):
I I've never been able to enjoyit.
Don't know why.
Interesting I mean it can get,I mean I.
I guess some people would say,oh, that's lovely that you want
to share.
But I think it's also importantthat you get something from it
for yourself.
And I don't think I've alwaysbeen conscious to say I want to
(19:19):
enjoy it for me and I want to doit for me.
I have always been highlystimulated when I know someone
else is in it.
I can't do it alone.
I don't know why I have neverbeen able to.
My grandmama used to keep mycolor pencils at home because it
(19:43):
made me happy having them, togive them away, and my grandmama
would say we don't have enoughmoney to get you more, so you've
got to keep them at home.
But to me I just never enjoyedhaving them if I couldn't.
And it sounds odd, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
No, because you're a sharer.
See, dear listeners, dearlisteners, I told you you need a
friend like Javi, graciously,like gives of himself.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Until my mom said it, I guess I didn't.
I'm like what you know.
Someone says oh, what a lovelyjacket.
Oh, here, take it.
Does it fit?
Take it yeah.
So my mom would say would youplease don't give.
Just keep your tie and keepyour jacket.
What will you do if someonesays great shoes.
(20:38):
What are you going to do?
You know, I used to do it allthe time.
That's a great bracelet you'rewearing.
I would literally take it offand give it.
Yeah, wow, I hope you stop that.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I hope you put the bracelet in the ring.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I stopped, my social life became smaller, so that's
probably why, it just became alot less and smaller.
I mean, it can be judged as, oh, you know you're not
(21:20):
appreciative of your work andthe money you spend buying those
things, but to me there werealways things at the end of the
day, you know, For sure.
And if that person truthfullyyou know and I could see it that
they truthfully liked it notwant it.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
There's a difference.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I sensed they really, really liked it Right.
Not want it Right.
Not want to, because I probablywouldn't give it if I felt
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Because if the energy wasn't right, Right, right,
right.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But I don't think I consciously knew it then.
Right, I think it was my ownspirit, knowing the person would
appreciate it, the person wouldlike it, the person would For
sure you know the person wouldFor sure.
You know the person For sure.
And so I gave it away.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I like your glasses, javi.
Oh, just saying.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
You know, and I think that's what made the difference
to me.
I think For sure, who are thepeople or what made the
difference to me?
I think that's what made it.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Who are the people or what are the places that help
you return to yourself when theworld pulls you off course?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
My sister and now my niece, who I live with both of
them they bring me back.
They remind me in a good sense.
You know They'll say somethingthat will take me away from my
ego.
Oh, you know, don't believethat too much, Javi, that will
(23:13):
keep me humble, it will bring me.
I mean, they both absolutely doit and there's a huge difference
in ages.
I mean, my niece is only 15,but she's got that sharp
inherited sense of self andthey'll oh yes, they'll keep me
in check quickly so they keep mehumble.
(23:37):
Yes, I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I have just two more questions for you.
Do you see space as somethingmore to be styled or something
to be felt?
How do you know when a space isright?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
If it doesn't read us comfort.
I have met people who payattention to the space and the
architecture of it and thelighting.
And if it does not read comfort, to me it's yeah, comfort to me
(24:23):
, it's yeah.
To me it's comfort.
I feel that that's probably oneof the most prominent energy I
have and I project, I think,comfort and I project, I think,
comfort.
You know, when I've had womencomments about what I'm wearing
(24:50):
and it's happened to me many,many, many, many, many, many
times I always used to think,hmm, why me and why what I'm
wearing?
And I realized that theyprobably don't know it.
(25:12):
But I feel it's related tocomfort and this is part of the
complexities I guess that wetalked about earlier.
Because I really don't dressthe way it's commonly known that
a man would dress, commonlyknown that a man would dress.
(25:36):
I can see that there are piecesor accessories that a man would
find feminine or for a woman,so I see how it can draw
attention to women.
If I start to dissect it, Ithink that many things women
(25:58):
wear are not meant to becomfortable, Feel that, perhaps
unconsciously, the women whomake a comment are probably
women who might unconsciously bethinking, maybe thinking how is
it possible to look pleasantlywell and be comfortable?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You see, because it's so.
Counterintuitive almost.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Right, and unless you're wearing shorts and a
t-shirt and trainers, you're notcomfortable.
Yeah, so the reason why Ibrought this up, I feel that
that's my biggest, probably mostprominent energy, whether it's
(26:48):
the sofa or me, it's reallycomfort.
It's to be comfortable, alwayscomfortable.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
So I know my listeners are going to be really
mad if I don't ask you thisquestion.
When you worked for Dior, whatdid you do?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, I started with makeup.
I think it must have been aboutsix months and then I went on
to skincare, and then I went onto training, hiring, and it was
a whole different world than itis now.
(27:30):
And that's when I realized,with skincare and training and
meeting hundreds of women,that's when I got to see that
women in general didn't feelgood enough.
It's tricky, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, society can really do a number on people.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, and I feel that and this may sound maybe
controversial or might not makeme a popular person, but I feel
that if women were moresupportive of each other, I
think a lot of this not beinggood enough would change.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Going back to your original point that we spoke
about in the beginning feelingcomplete with who you are.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Right, it's to be whole, because then you'll be
able to see everything thatyou've got.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Oh, circle back to that point to be whole, right To
be complete.
Well, being able to recognizethe smallest details that were
meant just for you to find inthis world, that's the oneness
right With who we are, thefeeling of being complete.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
The internet, social media, those things will never,
ever, ever be able to fill ourcups in the way that the Spirit
needs Right and to say just onemore thing, which is, you know,
I often do with friends at somepoint, not when I first meet
them, but at some point.
(29:13):
As a society in America, we'reso caught into titles, right, so
you're a mom and you're a wifeand you're an executive and you
are the list goes on and Ialways ask them what's going on
with Trina?
What's going on with Trina?
Not the mom, not the wife, notthe homemaker, not the executive
(29:40):
, not the model, not the artist.
You, where are you?
You see, and I just askedsomeone the other day that
question I said you know, I sayyour kids are growing, they're
going to go to college, right,and now you won't be filling up
(30:01):
your gaps by being a mom, right?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
So where are you in you?
That's a great question.
I can tell you in this moment,at this time, my cup is full.
Like.
That's how I feel, you know, inthis moment, to sit in this
space, share this space with you.
My friend, my cup is full,there's nothing else that calls
(30:29):
me, but this moment.
Do you have a mantra?
Is there something that you youknow?
Wake up every day and say toyourself something that allows
you to be purposefully driven.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yes, I have to feel everything and I'll tell you
that's how I live my life.
If I didn't feel this, what youand I are having at this very
moment, I wouldn't do it.
That's the underlying threadthat connects my whole life.
(31:07):
If I make a meal for youbecause I felt it, and if I
didn't, it's because I didn'tfeel it.
So it sounds odd, but I don'tdo well with manners.
I mean, yes, there's such athing as diplomacy and all.
Yes, I do understand it, but Ido well.
(31:29):
I feel it's an affectation.
When people say to me, oh,you're so nice, I always say I'm
not.
Mickey Mouse is not.
I'm not nice.
Nice to me is to me.
It's an affectation.
So if I give you a gift, I feltit.
If I gave you a hug, I felt it.
And when I don't do it and Iget asked why didn't you?
(31:53):
And I say because I don't feelit.
So let me be judged by othersfor not being nice, but be happy
when I give it to you, it wasauthentic.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think that's the point of authentic living.
You know, authenticity isliving in your truth.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
You have to own, you've got to own you.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yes, correct.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Do you own your womanhood?
Do you own your manhood At somepoint?
Some own it at 12, some own itat 15.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
So once you own it.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
You can't live a certain way.
No, I know exactly I saw myselfat nine years old.
This is what I am.
So at nine, I knew I was gay.
At nine years old.
How can I possibly not striveto be authentic the rest of my
life, about everything of mylife, the rest of my life, about
(32:53):
everything of my life?
If I show it and I owned it andI live it, I mean I don't wear
it until someone mentions it,right, like I don't even say it,
like I said it now, unless I'vegot a purpose Right for sure.
So how can I be a terrible liarand how can I be inauthentic
(33:19):
and how can I be all that when,at nine years old, I know this
and I know for sure you see.
So anything fake won't fit right.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yes, right.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's how I saw it.
I was nine years old, I knew it.
I knew it 100% at nine.
So everything else that doesn'tfit with the truth, I can't do
it.
I like that, do you know?
Oh, be nice to so-and-so why?
(33:56):
I'm not going to be rude, butI'm not going to go out of my
way to betray myself, but I'mnot going to pretend.
How can I pretend when I havenot pretended since I was nine?
I guess I'm not clever enoughto do it.
How can I now?
(34:17):
I have not pretended since Iwas nine, so how can I do it now
?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I'd love that.
No, I couldn't do it.
If there was one thing youwould hope that people who are
listening to this podcast wouldtake away, what would you hope
that they would take?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
away that you are just fine the way you are.
I love you.
You're just absolutely fine theway that you are in everything,
everything, in everything.
You're fine, you're fine,you're good, that's it yeah you
(35:01):
don't need anything and youdon't need, you're fine, just so
.
Yeah, I would love if anyonegets.
Yeah, that yeah uh-huh yes Ilove that.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I love that.
I'm gonna sit with that for amoment.
Javi, in the beginning you saidthere were no coincidences, and
(35:38):
I know that it was not acoincidence that we met you that
day, and I just want you toknow how honored I am to sit in
this space and share this spacewith you.
Me too, and your honesty, yourhumor, you've reminded me that
spirit, that presence, is apowerful thing, without it
(36:01):
having to be loud or boisterous,and that sometimes the most
elegant thing that we can offeris the restraint of who we are
and who we are becoming.
And I again thank you for thismoment To everyone who's
(36:22):
listening.
May this conversation inviteyou to sit down, to be present
to the present, to trust andhonor the beauty of being holy
yourself.
And now that this interview hasofficially concluded.
(36:43):
I do have fun questions, or Ithink they're fun.
Fun questions for you, myfriend.
Okay, the first question is ifyour style had a soundtrack,
what song would your soundtrackbe playing when you entered
rooms?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Hmm, that's a difficult one.
I would say it would have to besomething with Ella Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Ooh, what's?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
a guilty pleasure.
You're actually not guiltyabout or buying myself something
that I don't really need andit's not $9.99, but I still want
it and I'll spend the money forit and get it.
Absolutely, I don't feel badabout it, and the same goes with
(37:37):
food when people are here.
Oh my God, I shouldn't have hadthe pudding after dinner.
Now I feel awful.
I absolutely love it.
I enjoy it.
I enjoy it fully.
I completely enjoy it fully andI don't feel I have absolutely
no regrets.
Do I need it?
Absolutely not.
Do I want it?
Yes, and I get it.
(37:58):
I love it and I get it, and evenif I'm judged.
Oh my God, why would you wantto spend blah blah on a coffee
table book?
I want it and it gives me greatpleasure, for sure I love
indulgences, yeah, okay, I couldcome back to the song.
Yes, it's just that I love EllaFitzgerald and I have so many
(38:23):
songs, so I have to choose one.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
No, okay, while you're working on that.
If your presence left behind acolor, what would that color?
Be, If your aura could be acolor, a scent or a feeling,
what would it be?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
A scent, it would be jasmine, definitely jasmine.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Oh, I'd love that.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
And the feeling again , again comforts, tranquility
and, in a color actually white,purity, I think whites, and they
all go back to my childhood,growing among priests and nuns,
so I'm always attracted to theblack and white.
So interesting and when I'm mostcomfortable and I feel good
(39:06):
with it.
I look like a priest.
I'm wearing all black with thewhite.
But it does not make me unique,because if you read Coco
Chanel's biography, the blackand white was because she grew
up in a nunnery, so I'm notterribly unique about it.
It just so happens that Ihappened to read and I thought,
(39:28):
oh, there are two of us.
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