Then When

Then When to Check In 🔄✨

Weird Al. Puddles Pity Party. A paper plate of shells with exactly one piece successfully glued together. A sound healing session that gave Serina a receipt from the universe saying you're on the right path. Skull branch pencils. A stationery store discovery that has already become a future field trip.

This episode has everything. 💛

At its core, episode 24 is a check-in — on the then-whens th...

Then When Is It Time to Adventure? 🌊🗺️

Micro, medium, or macro — there's an adventure out there with your name on it. And this week, Serina and Mary are living proof.

Mary is deep in her birthday month (Happy Virgo season! ♍) and has been stacking adventures like a pro — a spontaneous beach overnight, bottomless mimosas at an old-school brunch, the Yale Art Museum, thrift shops, and yes, another Brooklyn dance party. Be...

Getting Unstuck: How to Start, Keep Going & Actually Finish the Thing 🌱✨

We're gonna be real with you: sometimes life be lifing so hard that the podcast itself becomes a living example of the very thing you're trying to work through. And this episode? This is that episode.

Serina and Mary pull up a chair, get honest about where they've been, and dive into one of the most universal struggles in the Then When universe — gett...

Build It & They Will Come: A Conversation with Writer & Producer Daina Smith 🎬✨

What if the story you thought was "out of your wheelhouse" turned out to be the one that changed everything?

This week Serina and Mary are joined by Daina Smith (https://dainasmithwrites.com/) — writer, producer, Big Apple Film Festival judge, and Mary's neighbor-turned-kindred-spirit. Daina's most recent project, Semolina Pi...

Let's Play! 🦉✨ (A.K.A. Our 20th Epiversary Special)

How dare we start a podcast? In this economy?

Apparently, pretty well, because THIS, friends, is episode twenty. 🎉 And to celebrate hitting their twentieth epiversary, Serina and Mary decided to do something a little different: put down the deep dives, pick up a card game, and just play.

Enter Smug Owls, the clever riddle-generating party game created by Mike and Grace (...

Building Your Best Life (Within the One You Already Have)

Days become months. Months become years. And then one day you blink and think - wait, when did I stop steering this thing?

This week Serina and Mary get into the real, unglamorous, deeply relatable work of taking steps toward your Then When moments, big or small, within the life you're already living. No retreats required. Just you, your ideas that won't leave you alone, and m...

Let's Get Inclusive with Nick Lucatino

This week, Serina and Mary welcome a very special guest into the Then When chaos: Nick Lucatino, founder of Inclusive Pathways Project and Mary's friend-turned-collaborator since the day they nearly got hit by a car together.

Nick is a behavior analyst who's spent his career thinking outside the box about something most of us never talk about out loud: that moment of "wait, ...

Venture Out! 🌟✨

We're back, we missed you, and we have stories.

After a little time apart — some solo adventures, some found time, some plates spinning, some "life be lifing" — Serina and Mary are back in the pod and ready to catch up with the Then When community. This episode has a different kind of energy to it: quieter, more reflective, a little bit like that deep exhale after a really full stretch of time. And h...

Then When to Get Vulnerable: Tennette's Story 🌟🎤

What if the moment that changed everything started with a stranger on a park bench?

This week, Serina and Mary welcome a very special guest: Tennette Correia — storyteller, mother, connector, and the woman Mary met while dancing in line at a book event in Brooklyn (classic Mary, truly). Tennette came into this episode describing herself as someone who hides behind bas...

Find Your Voice (And Actually Use It) 🎤✨

Seventy-five percent of people worldwide are afraid of public speaking. SEVENTY-FIVE. Which means chances are good that you, reading this right now, have felt that knot-in-the-stomach, voice-going-wobbly, heart-beating-out-of-your-chest feeling before stepping up to say something in front of other people. Yeah. Us too. This one's for you.

This week Serina and Mary are getting into the art of ...

You know that thing you've been putting off since basically forever? Not because you can't do it — but because you told yourself a story about why you shouldn't, can't, or won't? Yeah. This one's for you.

This week Serina and Mary are getting into the sneaky, shape-shifting world of learned history — those old narratives baked into us from past experiences that quietly run the show when we're not paying attenti...

Hold Your Ground (And Maybe Pull Some Weeds While You're At It) 🌿🔥

You know that feeling when someone crosses a line and your eyes start boiling? Yeah. We've been there. This week Serina and Mary get into the real, sometimes messy work of holding your boundaries — not just setting them and hoping for the best, but actually defending them in the moment, when it counts, when it's hard, and when a random text from your gre...

What happens when three ladies, a Lego set, and a two-year plan to play hockey all end up in the same recording session? This episode. 🏒

We welcomed the one and only Lisa Oestreicher to the podcast this week — Serina's longtime friend, certified Lisapedia, queen of handmade cookie cutters, and all-around creative force of nature. (Spoiler: she is not just one thing. She is, in her own words, a bu...

Then When Will You Love Yourself? 💛

Spoiler: the answer is now. In this episode, Serina and Mary drop in — warm, a little nerdy, and genuinely funny as they dig into what self-love actually looks like — not the polished, curated version, but the real, everyday, still-a-work-in-progress kind. From loving your past self (not just your future one) to joy replenishment, mirror talk, and the rituals that quietly refill your ...

Ever notice how a single moment — a stranger's smile, an unexpected compliment, someone just showing up — can shift your whole day? ✨ That's what this episode is about.

Serina and Mary get into the magic hiding inside everyday human interactions and why those small acts of kindness hit different than we give them credit for. 💛 This one's equal parts heartfelt and energizing, and honestly? It might make you wan...

Today on Then When, we had the absolute pleasure of sitting down with the remarkable Sara Wasley ✨ — a wonderfully curious soul who doesn't just dream; she does. 🙌

Sara has a rare and radiant quality: she chases her curiosities with conviction 🔥, turning sparks of wonder into real, lived experiences 🌱. She is, in every sense of the word, a Then When spirit made flesh — someone who refuses to let "someday" stand in the...

Seize the Day with Scuba Steve!

What does it take to chase your deepest passion when life keeps throwing curveballs? 🎯 This week, we're diving in, literally, with the incredible Steve Rindshoj, a scuba instructor who has built a life around the ocean while navigating the very real challenges of living with type 1 diabetes. Steve brings it all to the table: the wisdom of someone who's been humbled, the humor of someone who doesn't t...

Welcome back, friends! 🎙️ This week, Serina and Mary are getting serious about those "I'll do it when everything is perfect" moments — and why life is way too interesting to wait. Mary's actually been doing the thing, checking off goals she once kept deferring - putting joy on display, and her wins are the kind that make you want to dust off your own list. ✅ Serina, meanwhile, attempted bread — which did...

Serina and Mary finally get to hang out again IRL! A dance retreat has brought your hosts together to explore whole-body movement, taking up space, side-quest spontaneity, and testing out if Connecticut truly is the center of all things pizza. Listen along for little joyful nuggets of strangers turning into connections, breaking free of your own personal Groundhog Day, and challenging your learned histories.

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