UFO Chat with Paul -29 Special Guest; Ronald Meyer on Bigfoot, Paranormal, UFOs and Bradshaw Ranch

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, day, that should be the injury. Then

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let's just place the title around what we're doing today.
So we've got the special guests with us today, Ron Meyer.
He will explain what he does and what these qualifications
are and all that sort of stuff for the minute.

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We're just finished posting up some links on the side here.
We'll posting more during the show. Ron's new to the
out the Channel of course. Yeah. I just need to

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post up my website link and pinnuts and we can begin.
I guess there's lots of things to check and do here, Okay,
So it should be going out on the side to
four places at the same time hopefully, and I'll just

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putting those in YouTube. Just bring it up here, and
we've got Michael King joined us. How's again here in Scotland, Michael.

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We've got Michael popping up saying ronalds Hey, ronalds.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
This.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I wonder what was it scrolling up there? So yeah,
just posting up yo man, yo yo. Well he's always
the first one here. How many years you've been with
us now, Michael King, You've been here about seven years,
eight years now. There's a lot of watching. Yeah, we

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have to check pilled he haw's it again. I'm pilled
out there multi stream and this complicated stuff. There's a
lot of domains you have to look at anyways, Like
we're up and going and I'll just bring up the

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web pitch here. So this is Ron Meyer and I
think I got it right there. I think you look
a little bit older nowadays than that photograph. Yea, why
is it not going? You look different? I have to

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say that. So, yeah, introduce yourself, I guess, and you
can instead of reading that all that, maybe you can
just talk about your experiences whereabauts you live at the moment,
we experiences that you saw happened, whether it's UFOs, aliens

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or paranormal, and what your qualifications this and I think
you're a filmmaker as well, aren't you? And TV producer it. Yeah,
so you're normally you're normally behind the camera rather than
in front of the camera.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Indeed, I'm the one usually asking the questions.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, so you're normally the interviewer and you're not the
are you camera man? I certainly can be right, Okay, So.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
I gave up editing way back when it became, you know,
highly digital. I go back to film cutting film right,
act will sell your lice.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, film is a lot different. Yeah, film is a
lot different than digital technology, and that's growing really fast too.
I haven't understand Simo's senses and CCD and all that
sort of stuff and what the problems are with it.
NASA certainly has experienced a lot of different cameras on

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their missions, and they had all sorts of faults. They
had one that was an instant camera that keep Lincoln
fluid onto the negative and produced the artifacts that you
probably have heard of, which is the castle and the
tower and what's the other one that slips in my mind?

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But yeah, a lot of people still put it up
on UFOs and documentaries as crystal palaces and mololists on
the Moon when it's just camera artifacts. Anyway, say here
your seasoned paranormal experience. So what's that mean?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
First of all, it means I've had multiple paranormal experiences,
different kinds. I've had a couple of different kinds about
her body experiences?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, what was what cool? Sta out of body hot
to tag hot problem or self induced.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Some sort of crisis. I'll give you an example. I'm
a field I'm a fossil collector with some significance, you know,
finding unique fossils. And we were collecting and in a
quarry stone quarry m hm. And I was hanging over
kind of a ledge to pull up the the rocks,

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and it kind of catapulted me off the ledge and
the foreman of the quarry was down below, and my
collecting body was down below and my conscious one, my
consciousness slipped outside my body in such a way that
I could control where I had to place my feet

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because I was thinking, man, if I hurt myself, they're
going to kick us out of the quarry. And I
made it down to the bottom and people were quite amazed,
and I said, well, I dropped my hammer. I came
down to get it and then just went back up again.
That was one kind. Second kind of out of body
experience occurred in Arkansas, had a crystal mind with a

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lot of paranormal stuff. It was at night, and I
woke up and I got out of my body lying
in bed, and I went over to where I was
charging my camera gear and things weren't quite right. I
thought that strange, and then I went to get a flashlight,
and the flashlight one more and we were in like
a trailer house. I thought, did I lock the front door?

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And so I got up still this altered body thing,
locked the front door, got back into my bed. So
that would be two examples of two different kinds of
out of body experiences. The second one I've never had again.
I've had the first one multiple times in times of crisis.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
So you didn't see like a tunnel of white lights
or anything like that other people took about.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
No, those would be more like near death experience. I
don't think I was dying at all.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
No. Well in between, I've had an out of body
and myself when I was about thirteen as well, for
no reason. I was just laying in bed trying to
fall asleep, looking at the ceiling. Suddenly I realized I
was pressed against the ceiling and I was panicking, and

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I put my hands up and I could fill the ceiling.
It was really strange. And then I pushed one hand
harder than the other, and I flipped around and I
saw myself in bed with my mother next door to
me because it was a stormy night and Dad was
away and she and she was on the top of
the house and the second story, and I just she

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wanted me to be in bed with her on the
other side because she couldn't sleep. But yeah, that's that
was strange. It was a horrible night and something I
had an out of body experience too. But the thing is,
it was like we had the stripey ceiling wallpaper back
in the seventies. They used to put fancy wallpaper on

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the ceiling as well instead of painted and I could
see the pattern up close, and it's like my nose
was touching the pattern. It was really strange. And of
course that was back before the internet and stuff on
outer body and books and all that sort of stuff.
So I can understand what you're talking about because I've
experienced it myself. So yeah, so you know, so you know.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
I've done and I've done two movies near death experiences,
and in many cases, the the idea of leaving the
physical body to a non physical realm is pretty common reporting,
particularly on children who have near death experiences. It's it's
probably the most common thing they report. But so that

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I think there are multiple ways of having evidently out
of body experiences, as we just talked about.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, of course if you have an out of body experience,
and apparently it opens you up to paranormal experiences. So
did you have parallel did you have paranormal experiences before
or after the out of body yourself?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
So are you familiar with non dual experiences at all?
Can I talk about that?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah? It can toolbar anything.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
All right. So you know, in many of the esoteric
Eastern traditions, Hinduism, Buddhism, there's a people are in search
or something called enlightenment perhaps, and kind of the essence
of that is the disappearance of the constructed self or
ego ego, you know, the thing that kind of drives

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you around day to day. On occasion that can disappear.
There's no self, there's just war the world. For example,
what's that an experience doing a retreat where there was
a sound and there wasn't me hearing the sound. I
was the sound, and saying I is probably correct. So

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even I think some of my earliest experiences were spontaneous,
non dual experiences where the self disappears and there's just
the world and everything's just perfect in those moments, and they,
in my case, have lasted from maybe a few seconds
to I think at one point one lasted pretty much

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for good chunk of the afternoon when I was with
some military people. Snipers would come back from Afghanistan. Young man. Yeah,
and the situations can be like one I had at
a baseball game, maybe you don't even know what a
baseball game is in a small little town at night.

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And another one was at the Monroe Institute, which is
famous for all sorts of paranormal stuff. So no particularly
rhyme the reason to him, They just occur spontaneously.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Right, Yeah, mind lusted probably up to minutes. And I
never wanted to happen the game because it was scary.
But once I saw my body suddenly I was snapped
back into it and it's like I was being shocked,
you know, like in the hospital where they start your heart.
So I bounced upwards when I went back into the body,

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and Mum said keep still and slept me, slaps me
across the chest and I think, man, that was really free,
scary and freaky. But yeah, so it's something I've never
ever forgotten to see.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
These non dual experiences are not scary or freaky. They're
the opposite. There's no sense, there's no sense, you know,
projecting any of these weird things, and so everything just
perfect as it is. It's pretty much insane kind of
a flow experience that people have.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, but I think because you're more aware of what
you're going to do, I think it's less scary. But
if you're happening for the first time, you're not even
heard about this stuff before, it's quite scary. Especially as
a kid.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
I wasn't scary. It was wonderful. Of course, I didn't
know how to tellybody at that time. I was like
twelve years old, and it's I mean, I had the
strangest quality to it.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
But I'm not religious at all either. I'm not really,
but I guess you might be Christian? Are you Christian
faith in America?

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I mean, am I personally?

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah? Have you got religion? Not really, not really, so
you're more a spiritualist. Would you call yourself?

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I don't know exactly what I would call myself mm hmmm.
You know, an experiencers is probably good enough. And you know,
I fucked up.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Human mm hmmm. From my understanding, the universe is God,
So we're children of the universe basically, which kind of
makes more sense to me. Really comes down to mother Nature,
gods or around us where atoms were from the universe,

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which is made of atoms. So I think that's the
concept that aliens have as well. But yeah, it's an
interesting field to be and trying to wrap it and
hate arounds it solictically and scientifically and and all that
sort of other stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
So as I've had on occasion the experience of unconditional
love and the realization that that is me too in
some way, some important way, and that unconditional some people
have called God. But I don't think it has anything
to do with any concept of physics, any model of physics,

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you know, or cons science. I think totally something else
in its own way, because those are just models. They're
not experiences, you know that, right, They may or may
not be and they get changed all the time.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
So yeah, the thing is, we don't really know what
life is about, in what the universe is about. So
it's some people just can live with that, you know,
they can just live their life where we can eat
and then sleep and reproducing. Whether some of us actually
want to know more about what's the meaning of life
and what's out there, you know, because we're talking about

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trillions and trillions of stars out there where we're alone
with the only people alive in the whole universe. That
makes us unique, maybe the first planet to have life
on it than anything else, which is probably unrealistic, but
it's a possibility. Whereas more the universe is more strange

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than we can imagine, which is more the case I'm
thinking of as well. I think we're in a multiverse
to tell the truth and because things can Popularto, what
do you mean by multiverse.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
And what your evidence?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
After my visitations from aliens, I started getting what I
call vivid dreams on science and the complex stuff stuff
have never even thought about anymore. I haven't thought about
for a wee while, but yeah, when it was happening,
I had to write it all down. It was like

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I was given a mission to document what the what
I was being fed and try and bring it to
the larger audience scientifically wise letters. So some people would

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call it a download, but I don't understand. I don't
really know whether I was briefed and the memory was
shut off somehow, or it was simply got to me
through that spooky action at a distance idea where they
can sort of implant stuff into your head while you're

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in a deep sleep state, and then you wake up
and you think all that was really strange dream, that's
so real. I got to write it down and uh,
you know, you're not normally dream of technical stuff and
you sleep right. But yeah, it was like I would
disagree with that.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
I would disagree with you there. I've come across a
lot of people who have had very technical dreams. You know,
Steve Jobs had one of the cell phone. It's pretty
common and certain certain circles that they get these downloads
that you're talking about not uncommon. Most technological advances and

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patents have come that way at different times. There there's
there's some kind of explanation for for that that there's
a way we reacting in crisis situations that there's an
abstract layer on top of that that we can access,
and that's what we It's one explanation for these things occurring.

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I think they're occurring more frequently. In fact, that's the
storyline of my my new novel, Jesus had a near
death experience. I just thought i'd toss it.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Tossed that out, all right, And you said, you're not
religious thing that? Yeah, that's interesting title.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, Well, I think Jesus had one of those experiences
when he went into the desert, and when he got back,
he had a new idea that you know, we were
all sons of God. You might say. He started teaching
that its heresy and they killed him for it.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
And I thought, so it's not. It's this you write.
I like a drown un novel about it that you're
tuned into a movie, you see.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
So there's the book cover.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, I think I got I'm not sure if I
got it here. Actually, let me just say, look, I've
got the Bradshaw rants. Who've got the big Foot one? Uh?
I got Aliens. I'm not sure if we've got the

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Jesus one. What's this one?

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Tricksters, that's the older stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Here we go Jesus had a near death experience? Is
that the same book cover? That's the book cover, So
you can just have an outer body there exactly postal
link to everybody can grab it in the side chat.

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So nots to do that one now? Yep?

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Can I explain the storyline quickly?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Good for it? Yep?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
H oh. So, as the idea is that it becomes
possible to medically induce near death experiences so that people
can go to the let's just call it the non
physical world, get some of these downloads and also get
you know, unique skills like precognition for example, or telepathy,

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and that there's a battle between four forces to control
this medically induced near death experiences. So it's kind of
a thriller plus plus you get some ideas about how
near death experiences and there's death and fights and all
the good things expected in a thriller.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Okay, what's up? What's up? All right? Let's mean to
say I'm in these zelands. We don't want to do
that when I keep it to America there? So what
else you got here? So you've had out of body

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paranormal experiences? So have you seen apparitions voices in your
head or things open up. Paranormal experience you've got listed here.
Have you had an out of body experience? You've had
out of body? Have you seen apparitions? Have you seen

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heard voices? Have you seen turn on and doors open?
That sort of stuff? Because I have, So I have.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
One unusual experience. It's probably like an apparition, but more substantial.
Should I talk about it?

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah? Go for it. What do you have your comfortable?

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah? So a sound in Lote puts on a big
Foot weekend in the summer in Colorado where I live,
and people come up. People come, maybe about thirty people
come in the experience going out into the wilderness and
you know, trying to experience Bigfoot. But I go on

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the last night. I come out there and I do
a meditation and we go over to a sacred ute tree.
Utes are a Native American tribe and United States, and
it's a tree that's been modified to they call them
culturally modified trees where people will come and get little
pieces of bark as medicine, you know, for curing or whatever.

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And after the meditation and the chant, I invite the
participants of the of the gathering to come over to
this tree and put their hand on it, you know,
and close their eyes and be open to whatever. And
people have some pretty amazing experienperiances because people have been
doing that probably for you know, at least four or

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five hundred years, so there's maybe spirit in there. And
and my son in law, after we had done this
and everybody had kind of walked away, I said, listen,
you and I do this. So we did that. We
were hands on the tree. I closed my eyes, he
closed his eyes, and eventually I opened my eyes and
there was what I would describe as a shadow of

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Bigfoot behind him, kind of tannish looking, and of course
the brain is trying to make sense of that, right
and Alan himself, that's what was kind of waffling in
and out of existence. It was there's two things going on.

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And finally I said, hey, Alan, there's a creature behind you,
and he said, I know, and he described it to
me and told me how it walked up behind him.
Because he's got he has had more of that feeling
sense that I don't have. So I would say that
was kind of an apparition that was kind of confirmed
by two different people in two different ways, which might

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give you clues to the nature of what the phenomena was,
and he said he felt like he was he had
been transported to another realm or something, which might reflect
while he looked he wasn't very statement physically. How's that
for a kind of apparition.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Was it in the area where Bookfoots a scene as well,
or was it more in the city.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's in the mountains a lot.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Of people, right, So this talk about bigfoots being like
skin walkers in the way or aliens or but if
you ever watched that show called Expedition Bigfoot, so they
catch us some really good evidents on that show, sofa
some really good footprints at least, But they've caught some

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bigfoots on film now, which is kind of interesting. I
analyze it on the show when when they come out
of it and try and improve.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
The people that are in that series quite well do Yeah, yeah,
that whole television.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
I like how I like how they're using new cameras
and newer technology to try and actually get up close
footage of the bigfoots. But it's quite interesting how they've
captured a few times now with the orbs. They see
the orbs over the forest and they caught what looks
like a bigfoot disappearing after the ORBS show and also

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appearing and walking along a ridgeline, but only on thermal
but if they could catch it on HD, that would
be amazing.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
So you know that you got to know that there
are a lot of things that they that they got
to capture a film they don't put in the show.
If they did, you know, be the end of the show.
So when you talk to them in person, they'll tell
you about things that that are not not in the
show that are quite interesting. Same for the people at

(28:22):
Skinwalker Ranch, who I also no moderately. Well, you know,
I've been in the green green room with them at
conferences and that sort of thing. We talk about stuff,
did my own investigation out there a couple of times.
Kind of cool something going on there, for sure.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, there's a little debate about that.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Anyway, the structured to go to come off in a
particular way. They never talk about the effects they have
on each other these events and all the place of
personally layer negatively, it's just not part of the storyline.

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But they've had Meames go out there and other people
that they just like that that they don't put on camera,
because it's not the way that the series is. You know,
there's this thing called the Bible for every series, which
is this is how the shows. This is the does
and dn'ts of the show, and you got to follow
that and just keep it going that way. But this

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has been well known for a long time, I mean
the Bible of these series. So if if they actually
captured a big foot on the on filming it was
not debunkable, they would they wouldn't show it because they
were in the series.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Would I don't know about that, because you still if
if if he caught a big foot in the film,
you want to find out more and film it more
and find out if you can interact with it and
set up experiments and all sorts of it will never end.
Saying with aliens and aliens, if Adians showed up tomorrow

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in the White House and there'd be for everyone channel
TV news, you know, and they'll be asking the aliens
all sorts of Christians about the universe and what they know,
and it would be for ongoing. So there's no reason.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
To explain what can I explain what I'm saying please?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Of course?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
So what what I'm saying is that is that if
they actually found one, and the promise of the series
is searching for Bigfoot. Yes, that's what the normal person
would think, but it would end the series in the
format it is now, you'd have to bring in different
people to analyze it and raise the whole new series.
So they don't do that, they don't show you the

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most compelling evidence. They fine, because they would end the show.
That is, the people who are the producers of the show.
And you know, for example, Ronnie lebog On Expedition Bigfoot
basically quick because he got tired of doing that.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's about money, isn't it, rather than find Yeah, rather
than finding out the truth and answer and some of
this stuff. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
That course, if you're you're in the you know, I've
been in this business for a long time. I was
a big player in the rise of cable in the
United States and had a production and distribution company, so
I know the game quite well.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Mm hmm. That's why I would prefer to do your
own show that you can sell online rather than have
some of a third party involved in it. And then
they can because I'm retired, then they can. Then they
can then they can do a deal with you to
take pictures the series off you and include behind the

(31:53):
scenes or extra footage that you left out or whatever.
But yeah, I think that's what you're thin. Hunter's guy
should have done the Bill Birch guy and he should
have creat design series on YouTube and made it subscription
only and people would have carried on watching it there
instead of having the very about discovery Discovery channel stuff. Well,

(32:17):
trevel TV is the other one.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I think that's right. But you know, the new streaming
platforms are much more it's more acceptable to put your
own stuff on like you know Amazon to be Remember
I tried to show you Bradshaw Ranch and I had
to find a platform that you could actually look at
in New Zealand. It took a little while, but you know,

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there they don't they don't seem to be content keepers
in a way. And that the the network or cable
platforms are there, they're much more open. Usually they're more
interested in you know how if you know done a
good job technically and you can and then it's then

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it's up to the algorithms, you know, to send people
to the to your programs. So you got to get
good social and search seos search engine optimization words and
stuff like that. So you know, the brand saw Ranch
thing has got so many comments, like seventeen hundred comments.

(33:29):
The Bigfoot Alien Connection Revealed, which is a movie I
did for COVID. It's got like oh ten million views
across multiple streaming platforms. It was first time anybody really
proposed seriously that there was some commonality between Bigfoot experiences
and alien encounters and that was okay to talk about them.

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It was very transformational for a lot of people. Still is.
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
If we live in a multiverse, the bigfoots would be
easy to explain because instead of talking about dimensions or
inter dimensions, which is not provable, it's more likely that
a portal could exist between two universes or more and

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they simply can. They've found a way to open up
a doorway and come in and go hunting here because
they can't get the same food that they can on
this planet, and then they simply just go back to
their own planet or house or whatever. So this could
be what the orbs is. It's like the orbs are
generates in a doorway between universe membranes and allow them

(34:46):
to travel back and forth. You see a lot of
Bigfoot researchers don't like to think of them as aliens,
which is a bit of a shame because it doesn't
have to.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Really, Yeah, it's really, it's really changing. It's been a
huge shift. Almost all the ones that said it was
some sort of biological part of our heritage, whether at
the primate level or the human level, have gone beyond
that now and say whether there's something else, something paraphysical
about it that doesn't fit the build. It's amazing since

(35:20):
the big Foot alien connection revealed where nobody bought that.
I would say at least the people who have platforms
it's up to write seventy five percent will admit because
they've been out there and they've had their own experiences.
So it's changing, and it's changing rapidly. Even the guy
in this country, Matt Moneymaker, who had the created the

(35:43):
Bigfoot Research Organization, was the strongest advocate of the hairy
beast in the wild, changed his mind in the last
year and a half. So it's going quickly in the
other direction. And it's you know, it makes sense because
it's hard. It's hard to explain, you know that there's
you don't find any gorilla suddenly disappearing, do you having

(36:05):
a few footprints? And then that said, so, yeah, so
you're some kind of avatar is becoming one of the
more acceptable ideas about it.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
I don't know if I don't know if it's avatar,
but it could be, I guess. But yeah, we still
yet to figure all this stuff out. It's not easy peasy,
as you know, but I think, yeah, I think they
definitely use some cloaking technology though as well, and the

(36:39):
fact that we're almost got cloaking technology and military working
pretty well now, and it's only getting better and better
of each passing year. Aliens could definitely use the same
sort of technology right in LEDs and all that sort
of stuff. And cameras are getting better. Before long, we'll
have like a thousand megapixel cameras, you know, it's just

(37:00):
just a matter of time. Already, hard drive sizes are
up to about one hundred and thirty terabytes on solid state.
This is amazing stuff. You would he thought was dream
world stuff only thirty years ago. So it's just amazing.

(37:23):
So yeah, what else, Yeah, this carry on?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
So you want to talk about you want to talk
about the Branch Ranch movie. Did you look at it?

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, I've actually got a lot of snap shots from it,
and or i'ven work through that at the end if
you want. But let's see, we're just we're just finished here,
we're going through here. You directed feature films in Hollywood's
Ron also facilitates flu workshops and holds a fifth degree

(37:57):
black belt. How do you say that?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
I do so.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Basically produced Becoming Evil? Is that one of those serial
killer ones? Is it number number one streaming documentary series
on Emerson? I don't think I've seen it. Additionally, he
is a prebuted published scientist with contributions in the fields

(38:30):
of behavioral cybernetics and paleontology. Besides in resides in Coorado,
so that would be the mountain town there and his wife.
Have you got kids? He doesn't say kids. Yeah, you

(38:50):
got no kids? You got two kids? Okay, So what
is okay? I need to ask you what behavioral cybernetics means.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Do you know what cybernetics means?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Sort off? But what's your definition of it?

Speaker 3 (39:11):
It's it's a it's a system that's controlled by a
feedback loop. I would say the most common well understood
system would be, uh, your thermostat and your furnace and
and your air conditioner. So you you set, you set
the temperature to be. I suppose I got to talk

(39:32):
in celsius, but I can't, you know, to some what
what a seventy degrees? What's a typical nice sense?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I normally have to ask Google to translate thise. Uh,
savings have to be pretty pretty cool. I think about
ten degrees celsius?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Is it okay? Let's say that you said it at
seventy degrees And this this system that you have probably
on your all has a sensor that can can sense
the temperature of the room, let's say, and and it
has a set point. The set point is seven ten

(40:13):
degrees celsius, and if it starts deviating from it, it
can either turn on the furnace or the air conditioning
to bring to bring the room temperature back in alignment.
And our body, you know, is basically made up of
probably hundreds of these cybernetic feedback loops that keep your
temperature within certain bounds. You know, your heart beating within

(40:36):
certain bounds. So if they start going out of whack,
you know, there's mechanisms to bring them back. There all
these set points to keep you alive, you know, within
your body.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
And what are you saying to he that you just design,
uh the electronics of these devices or what do you
what are you saying?

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yeah, the these feedback loops are huge in biology, in
your body and of course in technology. Anytime you have
a set point you want to keep something steady. Let's
say you know, you have a car and you want
to keep it sixty miles an hour, you know, or
something like that, you have a feedback loop that tells

(41:20):
you all faster going and if you start going slower,
it'll put more gas into it. If it gets going
too fast, it'll reduce it. So you yourself are interacting
with the world a lot in terms of feedback loops, right.
You know, when you're driving the car yourself, you're getting information.
You want to stay in the between the lines, you know,

(41:42):
and so they're getting information and you're adjusting constantly. Those
are feedback loops. Those are negative ones which keep everything control,
and then you can go positive and they keep accelerating
and then everything explodes. So that has become a big
part of artificial intelligence these days. There's these things are

(42:04):
full because that's how you learns. These these loop or
you learn, get more information, and you're just and you
get better. Like you know, remember you couldn't ride a bike.
I don't know if you ever brought a bike, but
at first you tip over. You keep getting feedback and
eventually you can do it just fine and becomes, you know,
something you just do automatically anymore, so you can learn.

(42:27):
Almost all learning involves, you know, some sort of cybernetic
system where you get where you have something that senses
what's going on. You make an adjustment and you can,
you know, through some sort of motor system, you know,
like your arms or something balance and then it keeps
going on and on until you get to the to
the point where you're pretty stable, and then it just

(42:49):
stays that keeps keeps you within that realm. You fall out,
it begin to tip over on your bike. You know,
you have a way of fixing yourself so you can
get up with it.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
The other field during is platology. That's a fossil hunting
you're talking about before was it and that sort of stuff?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Is that creat that I was looking for fossilized remnants
of ancient life? Right? The best don't want their dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Right, and you do that you've got on mountains there,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Oh yeah, there's some famous dinosaur places. But my my
area was in early early life evolution. You realize that
in the beginning there was no life on land, right
for for half half of the history of life, it
was all about in the oceans. There's nothing on land, yeah,

(43:48):
and things are pretty simple. And then about half a
billion years ago, cells started getting together and creating complex life,
you know, creating the main forms, yeah we know today.
And basically they were arthropods. These are animal life things
that have an exoskeleton like a crab or you know,

(44:10):
an impact or they're like worms. You know, they don't
have that, and they have kind of a backbone, so
the hard part is shifted from the outside to the inside.
That makes sense to you. So we're of the word lineage,
and my collecting expertise is in the early stages of
that beginning of life, the first couple of million years

(44:35):
that made significant discoveries in that area with strange creatures
and tell the story because most of the time, the
soft parts of the animals are not preserved, just the
hard part. So you don't get lung and livers and
hearts of dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
You get there, right, especially a fan of that go
what's his name? Graham? The UK guy that reckons humans
have been around for thirteen thousand years and walked with
dinosaurs and that sort of stuff. Do you believe that

(45:19):
what's his what's that guy in the UK's name? Graham?
I think it's Graham something Graham. Anyway, he's a few
he's done a few serious on Netflix. I'm just trying
to think of his name. It's not coming to me anyway.
He does all the ancient architecture saying that humans have

(45:43):
been around a lot longer than what history currently says
there is, and he's saying it's all wrong, also that
humans were alive with the dinosaurs and that sort of stuff.
What's his name?

Speaker 3 (45:58):
You know? Bird dinosaurs?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, definitely, So yeah, we've been around when birds are around,
but we I mean, you know your ancestry. I think
they're talking about that they found like stone schools at
the bone level of dinosaurs, and whether it's been faked
or not, but yeah, I think it's I think it's

(46:20):
very possible that there would have been maybe even dinosaurs
walking around in Emerson because it's pretty thick forests down
there and a lot of tribes and good places to
hide out. I feel like a small group of dinosaurs
you know.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Probably probably birds down there. But one of the funny
aspects of a Bradshaw ranches that people find prints that
some of them interpreted to be dinosaur prince.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
We'll go over that the minute, or get the slides
up in a minute. Center of communications.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
By the thing that that humans were walking around with
alisauers A's or t rexes or any of the really
large you know one.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
See, well, you've probably heard that there was a large
bird in New Zealand which is almost like a dinosaur
called the moa, and it's going to be like massive,
let's say it probably be have to be least four
times bigger than a normal emu anyway, but yet they

(47:39):
hunted it to extinction.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
There were a bunch of the well, there were a
lot of really big birds even after the others disappeared.
So that's that's that certainly seems it seems to be
good evidence for that.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yeah, what they did is basically they set the forests
on fire in the Southland here when they were hunting them,
and as they ran out, there's something the slaughter them
but then again, if you do that too often, eventually
they don't reproduce enough, and also that their food supply
is gone because you burnt down the forest. But that's

(48:17):
how stupid the Mary's were. I think that's what they did.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
So birds, you know, there hardly anything really lives in
the deep forest unless they're in their canopy because there's
nothing there to eat.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Ground she's a ground bird store. But like Kiis, they
live in the forest. But the savannas that's in zem
not in New Zealand, but not to know. But yeah,
Australia even partly like the trees, but they're not on

(49:02):
the ground. If they're on the ground, they're more open
to predators. But anyway, birds are.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Anyone for flying, but not all.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
I'll just I post around some links here. So we're
going to talk about Bradshaw Ranch next and go through
the movie and talk about things in it next. I'll
just post that around. That should go. I can get

(49:48):
a strange error on the other screen, but anyway, I
worry about that another day, So that one's posted around.
Now we've got big foot aiding connection, which we talked about.
I'll post that one as well.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
One of your guys said, you know, if you don't
ride a bike for a long time, it hurts your
butt when you get on one.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah, I sort of gave up because it hurt them.
But I used to bike a lot as a kid. Though.
We used to bike like five kilin leaders just to
get to school and five minikilometers when you get back.
Used to keep us fairly healthy. Nowadays kids are more lazy.
Nowadays they get nice bus rides. The End of Technology

(50:39):
Aliens twenty thirty five. That sounds like a prediction. What's
that a novel? Is that novel? Yeah? Novel? Yeah, sci
fi novel.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Okay, so that's quite a while ago. I'd like to
move on from that. You know, when I ride these things,
that kind of kind of done with them in a
certain sense, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Mm hmm. How long does it take you to write
one of these novels?

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Probably two thirds of the year through the process of working, and.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
That's pretty fast, I think I Normally I would have
thought it would have taken a year a year and
a half. And tricksters and amiens, so that must be
talking about spiritual spiritual ghosts and Mike, Mike reader that
you got listed, so I'm not sure. And that's also

(51:46):
a novel. It was a novel, yeah, although a lot
of a lot of the normal stuff and paranormal. They
took about them being tricks to us.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Yeah, I like to play with added novels. I did
a pure political thriller once. It became number one on
streaming on Amazon. But that was a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
What made you get into the books? What? What's the
reason that you got into books?

Speaker 3 (52:25):
You know, I was.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
You grew up my books.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Michael King donated ten pounds through super chat Ron is
a nice chill interesting dude, thumbs up, medium light skin tone.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I don't want you'll talk about and we got Amazon
link he as well.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Did you see a half minutes? See eighteen and a
half minutes. It's got a red cover.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
All right, yeah, we'll go there in the minute. I
didn't see that on the other side.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yeah, I see it. You know, I'm looking at it now.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah. Yeah, why that's the one.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
That's why. That's the one that was a number one
political thriller on Amazon for a while.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
All right, I can with you.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Actually made some money on it. I think it had
about thirty thousand purchases or whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah, unless it's political, and I suppecially don't really sell
that many really consider it. But if he did a
book on politics, you'll probably sell millions copies of it.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Yeah, it was kind of a cool idea back in
the day.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Let's see candle, it's a lot cheaper ninety nine cents. Well,
looks so old. Okay, it's disclose that when the computer's
leg a bit unfortunately. Okay. Yeah, I just wanted to

(54:12):
talk about sl S cameras too at some point, So yeah,
I'll just bring up what's happing. We've got that problem
back again where it keeps soon up. Mha. So it's

(54:34):
going on here. It's like we lost the Explorer there
for a minute. Thanks Mike for your donation. The computer's
gone terribly slow for some reason. Hang on, I gotta

(54:54):
wait for it to draw the icons back.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
What's happening? Man?

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Are we Are we still working?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
I don't know. Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Yeah? I can still see you and hear you. The
brows are I mean the desktop crashed. It's just a
re stunting. Things just very slow for some reason. It's
the last windows. You can go to the bathroom if
you want, Yes, I'll just bring up I'll be setting
up stuff for you. Since the last Windows update, things

(55:36):
have been a bit scary here. I think it's really
scaled things, isn't it. That's sure? What's getting on? It's like,

(56:07):
could it be divorce gaing kicked and us? Let me
just pause that stupid frogant. Okay, let's see if it's
doing something background that's not meant to be doing. Okay,

(56:37):
I'll just close it down for the time being. Yah,
are we still working all right? Guys?

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Yo, they got back went had a paranormal experience that
came back. H h.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Stupid computer is going to weave it slowly? What's this now?
We've got the men in black trying to sabotages at
the moment. Yeah, it's just gone terribly slowly. I think

(57:22):
there's something in the background that's kicked off that shouldn't
be kicking off. But I'll just bring up my slides anyway,
it'll speed up, hopefully. Yes, so I took some slides

(57:45):
and I did some mack and around the sl S
software they're using. But yeah, so let's open it up
and let's have a look at the first image. So
this smoothie and Bradshaw Ranches down at Sedonia. Is that

(58:06):
the word Sedona? Yeah, I was trying to think of it.
Why is it not suming? Okay, who's that up there?
I think, I think you feature once or not? And
then it's this investigator called Tom. I think it is

(58:28):
mostly and it's it's a really a lot of red
rock there suggests it's height and iron content. But like Australia,
I guess which which is possible that that could be
a factor in some of the strange conductedness of stuff

(58:51):
that happens in those areas. If you get if you
get quartz water and and the red rich iron sand,
paranormal amps up generally. But anyway, it's carry on and
I think there's a lot an intro of the people

(59:12):
that you have in it. So you got Melinda Leslie
who lives down there, I guess, and runs her sky
watching tours. And then we got we look then we
look at various art work. Can We'll get to that
in a minute. And we've got this guy here who

(59:36):
I'm pretty sure was on another show with a sitan.
He had what was it called ailing? It was what's
that show show at Hollywood at Aden Connection or something
like that. He was on a show and he showed
some video and that he gets the experts to analyze
it and all that sort of stuff. I think he

(59:58):
was on Yeah, I think he was on that. So
they look at various artwork, which is kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
People that lived about lived there about seven hundred years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Yeah, so he's talking about that doing puts the wrong
button that's getting back. Yeah, he's talking about that and
somewhere else in the story which has some more pictures,
but yeah, talking about that being the big footprint footprint there,
but it's only subjective of course, it could be one, two, three, four, five,

(01:00:40):
It could still be human footprints. And this one here,
which is could be also a building. You can't really
say where it is a UFO completely because they do.
Back in those days they did build round meeting places

(01:01:02):
right estecs. The Indians used to have round ones. So yeah,
well this is yeah, I think the picture of this,
I think a better picture of this of all of it.
But we'll get there eventually. But yeah, this is on

(01:01:22):
the intro anyway, is it normally study? So this is
coming up talking about that there's the brush red shore
rants from the air and tom What was his terminology there,

(01:01:44):
paranormal researcher.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
He spent a lot of time at the ranch in
the nineteen nineties with with the last survivor of the owner,
Linda Bradshaw was her name, right?

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
So this is all the area on the bread Foot ranch.
It looks like it's quite big area. The buildings and
that's reads. Who's this guy is like the guy it
features mostly what was his name?

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
His name is Alan mcgargel. He's my son in law.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Right. He looks very German. Is he a German? Yeah,
he looks very German today.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
I think he's Scottish maggl.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Mhm. He's a big guy. It's real tool.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
That's Ben long Tree. He's an inventor, electrical engineer. So
so Alan, this person that had the Bigfoot experience with
me in Colorado where I saw the all right, you know,
the big shadow kind of creature and he felt.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Right married my daughter, umhm right, And I think is
this the start of it already? Yeah, there's sort of
this might still be in the intro. I'm not sure
we're looking around inside the buildings here on the on

(01:03:27):
the ranch because most of them are empty now or
used for a film set. I think you said in
the documentary we're talking about the portal there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
No, no, no, no, that's coming up. That's coming up. Okay, you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
What it's darker that you see the dark pyramid structure. Yeah,
it's can't, I can't, can't point to it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
You're saying that there is a portal to another dimension.
I think you don't say universe, and you're saying there's
also archers that go around it. But I've actually got
a debunk for that, and I'll just I'll just bring
it up later when we got some more images of it.

(01:04:28):
And then you got your SLS camera, so we'll talk
a bit more about that. You have quite a big
intro on it, actually, but I can understand being a
filmmaker why you want to do that, because it gives
them something to edit. There's Alan Yet, that's his name.

(01:04:49):
He's got a thermal camera and he reckons there's a
cool spot moving around or something. Can't. It's a bit
hard to see what he's actually looking at there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
And then you got this scientist PhD. I'm not sure
what in a director of Institute of Residence in Boulder
wherever that means, And then we got these senses, which
is kind of interesting. On the ranch and the windmill.

(01:05:32):
You talk about the homestead and the ranch house and
how it was used for a film set. I suppose
they rented out. Do they they don't actually live there anymore?
Or do they live in one building and rent out
all the others? How they work there?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
So nobody's been living there in any meaningful way since
since the turn of the century. You know when they
were when there was a movie set. He was back
in the in the sixties and seventies for westerns. Elvis
Presley was there, you to hear of him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Yeah, I think they might have a John Wayne.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
So it was where people would shoot Western sets, do
westerns there, and there were out buildings where people could live,
and then the main building you could do interiors and uh.
It was an extension of Hollywood for a while, and
then it became sort of a dude ranch where people
would come and ride horses and so on. And then

(01:06:37):
eventually that was unsustainable and a few people, a few
of the Bradshaw like Linda Bradshaw, she started having these
experiences after her husband and son son moved on and
were passed away. And then Tom Dongell came out there
and they wrote a book about the weird experiences they

(01:07:00):
were having, which is how the ranch got into the
paranormal world. And then at the turn of the century,
our government, the US government bought it for a bogus
reason and still on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
It that the government still owns up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
So hew come you managed to get permissioned to walk
around the Oscar government for.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
No We just you'd have to crawl under the fence
and fences it off. But when we were there both times,
for some reason, it was the gables unlocked, so we
just drove in.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
I guess they wanted there, so we were lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
So when you did the ghosts investigation, you just walked
in with that permissions that we were saying, that's true. Really,
it's one of the government. It's one of the government.
Didn't get upset with you and try and see you
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Well, for a while it was quite gotten up, and
then it was became kind of abandoned. He even the
you' they had a weather station. You know what they
are there's there are a bunch of devices that measured
temperature and rainfall and win and all that. That's kind
of in disrepair. Now that equipment we found, which is

(01:08:23):
quite quite modern, was just left behind, just left.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
There right that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
They think they got scared off by something and just said,
let's just skid out here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Got here kind a bit of a mystery, plays a
lot of mysteries.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
You don't spend lots of money on tractors and all,
letting just leave it all behind. I suppose you normally
try and sell it off, don't you, and get some
of the money back. But yeah, so this is the
right chain. It wasn't that? What was his name again?

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
I can't. I think that's Bob m Bob.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Yeah, it could be some old pictures the end of them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Where's Elvis?

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yes, Elvis, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
The one the one on not that one, but the
other one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's too had to recognize him. Oh yeah,
that's too. Yep, that was okay. I couldn't. Where's it
not going?

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
That's the old man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
That's the old What was that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
That's the old man? So home. You know, back in
the day turn of the twentieth century, people will come out,
you know, they could get free lambs, and they put
up a little building and so the two main buildings
out of the Adobe building, which was the original structure.
And I don't think it was the branch all that

(01:10:08):
owned it at first. And then they bought the line
and put it and turned it into the movie set
and they and the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Other stuff, all right, thank you, the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Dude ranch and the bar and the restaurant and all that.
So it has a history of ownership. But it began,
you know, with somebody, some pioneers going out there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Right. Uh, Congress provides money to acquire retual runch. Okay,
what was that about? Is that where the government took
ownership of it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
That's right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
What was the amotis so bluts you we can does
it say? Here?

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Nation was given was to investigate climate change a native nation,
which is you know, kind of bullshit most of it
it wasn't. It wasn't native because it had been pretty much, uh,
turned into kind of a ranch and they were growing plants,

(01:11:22):
you know that horses could eat and stuff like that.
So so there, so it was basically a bogus reason.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Is that you there, it is all right, saying your
to this guy here? What was his name? Who do
his name was? He was on the other show?

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
His name was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
His name was Jurgen hes youigan hees that sounds rich German. Yeah,
he certainly looks a character anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Yeah, he's he's always changing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Okay, So I'm not sure if this is still the
intro or not. I think it might be they're talking
about the footprints. Yeah, might be started the movie already.
He's given a tour off the Bradshaw Rants. So these
footprints are they sort of like embedded into clay sort

(01:12:35):
of stuff? Is it? Is it like dinosaur footprints in
the in the rock sand, a missionary rock that's sort
of was mud millions of years ago? Is that what
you're saying?

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Next year? It's you know, it's kind of sandy and
kind of clayey, and you know when it gets wetted,
you can sink into it a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
So he's talking about that being footprints, but it's hard
to tell if they're bigfoot or not. Unlike on other
shows where they take a cast and they use lider
to three D mappet it could be just regular human
footprints that just eventually just gruin size. But these are

(01:13:20):
not new prints, are they They're like years old? Is
what they're saying here, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
I would last month for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
So they are sort of new. Footprints are not like
ones that have been set in mud and millions of
years old.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Oh no, No, they're all kind of modern. If you
have a good rainstorm in which happens periodically, they're all
good washed away.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
See. The problem with big footprints is man makes footprints.
And although the bigger than regular feet, obviously obviously that
they're talking about that size is there, aren't they? Yes,
how they formed? They don't know unless you know, you know,

(01:14:08):
uned to catch catch people walking up and down, which
is probably something to do with the government, probably, But
apparently the government is buying up chunks of land where
they're trying to predict prey TechEd the bigfoots. You know,
back in Expedition Bigfoot, they went to a location they

(01:14:30):
said was all government didn't used to be government owned,
and suddenly it is now and they reckon it's because
the Bigfoots lived there, and they're trying to give them
some protection. So it's like the government know a big
Bigfoot and they won't tell us why. And you hear
about them people going missing in the bush. It's being

(01:14:53):
grabbed by the bigfoot. Stories like in four one one,
which is possible, of course, but because people go missing
forests and woods all the time and deserts, it doesn't
necessarily have to mean big bigfoots, but it does. It
just makes you wonder why governments will keep buying up

(01:15:16):
big chunks of land all of a sudden when it's
been public land previously.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Well this was private land, public.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Yes, privately that yeah, but I'm talking. I'm talking about
the other show which was on south of California. Is
it or below California region? So just keep expedition.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
But they they've gone to different places the country.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Yeah, but the current places in the bottom half of
California there isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Oh you mean we're.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Kind of yeah, So what's he talking about here? I'm
just trying to remember. They're just showing around the inside
of the buildings sharing they've got graffiti on the wall
because they've been vandalized, I guess over the years, taking
their base readings. I guess with e ms meters and stuff.

(01:16:33):
Another big empty room there, but you can see that
these are sort of more looked after because people have
been living in there obviously for film crew that sort
of stuff. But still you got this big chunks in
the ceiling here missing the stuff has fallen off the

(01:16:56):
ceiling all the time. I guess, I am what real?
What if that means looking at the rafters and the
famous windmill, which your claim has paranormal paranormal happenings around it.

(01:17:26):
But yeah, when you think about something like this that's
all metal, it could be acting like an antenna, you see,
So it's possible that it could pick up radius signals
and interfere with electronic devices below that might be measuring stuff,

(01:17:47):
So it might be amplifying noise in the background to
be like a big antenna. And there I'm not sure
what they're doing there, all right, they're using rim They're
using rim pods, that's right. And it was triggering, triggering.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
So what what I was saying here is that in
the past we had got interactions on two different devices
in the same kind of the same way, the rampart
and an EMF thing that would light up, just saying
as possible, it would be a way of kind of
substantiating there's something that's going on. It was affecting multiple

(01:18:34):
devices at one time, you know, that's a typical thing
to do. I'm just telling that story.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Yeah, they try and interact with it and say can
you step into the bean now and then step away?
But does that doesn't normally mean it couldn't still be random,
of course, but really they try and say can you
make it go off for until I say stop? And
then then if they say stop, and suddenly it stops

(01:19:01):
and screaming its head off on on these rampods. I
don't think about a picture of one, but they like
the little circular electronic device with a nine volt battery
and it and it has like a radio antenna that
you pull out and it creates a man electric field.
I think it is around it. And if anything goes

(01:19:23):
into that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
It's a radio. It's it's in the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Radio basically, yeah, And there's anything that goes into that field,
the text and it creates a feedback.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Well, yeah, something interrupts that field, which is a little
broadcast radio station. It triggers you know, the internal system
to make a noise and turn lights on m and
you can can play with it with your hand, you know,
get closer and closer and then and then we'll go
off and then you can move your hand off, indicating

(01:20:01):
functions interrupted. The weirdest thing we ever had with a
rampot was that Skinwalker ranch for two hours. They went
off straight for two hours, just couldn't just kept going,
had its highest intensity for two hours, no explanation, so

(01:20:21):
we just had to keep going until we left, picked
it up, turned it off. Pretty weird. Never happened again either.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Yeah, well, I haven't had one to play around with
to see if is any weirdness that happens with them.
You know, wherever anything can triggered. I reckon things can't
trigger it like humans unless they're right in the fields.
But I'm not sure if any if any internal external
things that can interfere with it. I don't know. It's

(01:20:54):
the sort of thing you'd have to own and play around.
But they're quite expensive to buy. I think they're like
two hundred dollars more to buy on line. And there's
such a simple device really, but yeah, people that making
them obviously trying to sell it to ghost hunters and
make a big profit from it. But yeah, we don't
care to keep them going. So he's doing some readings.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
I would say ninety five percent of the time we'll
use them. Nothing happens, they just sit there. Yeah, so
what's uping does happen, it's kind of unusual.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
So he's doing some readings there within with the windmill.
But I don't think there's much about the windmill in
your documentary as I remember now, Like they didn't do
any sort of picked up anything around the windmill, but

(01:21:52):
to start walking down towards where they're heading off to
some sort of build ranch house or is it. They're
walking down the path, Yeah, and they set up all
their EMF meters and mpods are in a line, and

(01:22:16):
they're using this device here, which we'll talk about later
on the show, the SLS app for phone, and we'll
talk about how that sort of works, leader the technical
side of it and what problems there is with it.

(01:22:37):
The PhD guy, I think he was touring about entities
or around us, the invisible to us, but these devices
can detect them and all that sort of stuff. I
think he was talking about that. I'll get the link
to people so they can watch it. It's free to watch,
isn't it for anyone that wants to watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
On certain platforms. It was advertising.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Yeah, So I'll post I posted a two die link
to everybody in a minute so they can watch it
after the show finishes, they want to so he's aiming
the SLS camera here. Actually I should assume it in
that way. It's a little easier and people have probably

(01:23:29):
seen them on ghost hunting shows where forms they stick image.
It was invented by some programmers for working for was
that Microsoft, and apparently they went into like a million
homes filming different people in different walking positions and sitting positions.

(01:23:54):
And but like AI trained trained their model up to
recognize human limbs moving with thermal basically or actually infra red.
I think it is work at what is LIBS movement,
But they mostly did it for a stand and they
didn't actually configure it for sitting down, which is where

(01:24:17):
things go. We got wrong with the device and also
objects as well. They can detect objects as things when
it's not really anything there. Okay, so why there you
get a strange light in the distance, but like they

(01:24:40):
got on Expedition Bigfoot with a distant light. I think
they also Ghost a Ventures were at the Bradshoore ranch
and they got something similar I think, where they get
the light in the distance, but they can't figure out
if it's someone playing around with them and doing a
prank in the distance, or it's some sort of drone

(01:25:02):
or something that someone might be flying around. But they
pick up some sort of light in the distance there,
which they call it an orb and you can see
it's a bit pixelized there from the snap shot, and
they pick it up again later. Looks like it's behind

(01:25:26):
the house somewhere out that direction. Not because it's not daytime.
We didn't see a daytime overlay of it. We're not
sure whereabouts it was really, but it looks like there's
a load of trees. It's somewhere behind the trees of
that light is powernormal or government or whatever, and we

(01:25:48):
don't really know. And then I think you're talking about
Lindsey doing the sky watching.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Yeah, that was pretty cool look through the yeah resolution.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Yeah, they catch set lights and planes moving through the
sky and also eventually something else this thing here, So
that was Allen. I think it was a little bit different.
It looked a little bit different than them. So you

(01:26:29):
caught this image here. A bit hard to say what
it is though. It could be a high altitude plane.
Who knows. This is where you need to use the
track and apps. So I keep talking about you need
to use light radar twenty four and also star tracking
software for space station and all that. None of that

(01:26:52):
was actually percented on this tour, so I don't know
if they had anything like that on them or not.
When they're filming that's.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
That's a laser light there next to it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Yeah, they're shining a laser beam it. Do you know
what what it was and what color it was green?
I think it was five? What one laser pointer was it?
You really should be used, Yeah, you should really use
ir because then pilots don't see it and it doesn't

(01:27:27):
really matter if it hits the plane or not. Yes,
So it looks like a triangle or shape to it there.
It could be anything, really, but it does have a
shape of like a plane. And there's another image of it.
There could be a balloon even who knows. And then

(01:27:52):
we got the moon. Is it is that? The moon
hard to see? And this fir's got stars or lights
in the background. There. We'll go to the next rain.

(01:28:14):
All right, they're talking about orbs. Now, most people don't
like orbs because it's a bit hard to say what
they are. I've got orbs that are clearly bugs. Some
of the little droplets of water in the air. Some

(01:28:34):
of the dust backscatter, right. Yeah, it could be you know,
walking around. It could be just simply sneezing really fine
droplets of moisture in the air that the II camera
or the flash reflects off. But what's more interested in
the orbs that actually emit their own lights, and you

(01:28:57):
catch it on a regular camera and in the middle
and there are light, They're more interesting. I've actually caught
a few of those. I've seen it with my eyes,
but I haven't actually caught it with the camera. Unfortunately.
It happens very quickly. But sometimes I see what looks
like I'll be laying in bed and I see what

(01:29:17):
looks like a flash of light and suddeny, it moves
very quickly and disappears. But I haven't had too many
of those lately. Since I've put up the cameras. It's
sort of gone quite It's like they know that they're trying.
You're trying to study what's going on. But I do
catch a lot of dust, a lot of You get
a lot of dust. And what's interesting is if you're

(01:29:41):
not seeing any dust on the camera for hours and
suddenly you get the bright orb that comes through the curtain.
I've got one where it comes through the curtain and
it gets bigger and bigger, and it's headed towards me
on the bed, and then it goes past the camera
and disappears. I could show you that if we had time,
but you probably have to go soon. Probably so various

(01:30:03):
orbs here. You can see they're using a flash here,
so obviously anything that's really close to the lens is
going to reflect light back. Right. Yes, the ones that
you get on video camera are more interesting. What's happening there?

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
So these are the ones that tim down in the
in the nineteen nineties the mind.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Yeah, so it's obviously got long exposure here, which you
know someone's got a light a torch on them, and
you move the camera. All that moving and the camera
is still, you get these streaks of lights happening, and
you also get it's so called orbs, which can be anything.

(01:30:52):
Really you're doing the rim pods. I don't think anything
really goes crazy with the rampot in the movie from
I remember not how you're not in the house or
anything like that, but any on the intro where you're
in a hallway or something and that was going off,

(01:31:16):
you know, we got.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
We didn't get it hardly any any action with the
rampart at all. Like I said, most of the time,
efing happens.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Okay, this is the one with a ORB that's moving.
I've got various frames from the video just to look
at it. So it's a bit hard to know because
it's not dual camera a lens, if it's really in
front of the camera or in the distance in this case,

(01:31:48):
and whether it's a bug or something falling down from
the ceiling and just drifting with the air current because
you've got a doorway there, so it's not if the
rampots were going off with the or coming down, then
you could say there's something really strange there. But this
one here, we've got various frames of it, and you

(01:32:09):
can see how it comes down and disappears behind him
or let's see it's the it looks like it might faded.
I faded a weaver still coming down and then that happens,

(01:32:36):
which is kind of interesting. Looks like a whole heap
of stuff gets in front of the camera, reflects the
I r D that emits him back at the camera.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Yeah, I don't think anyone was spoken facing a torch
edit or anything like that. To get that, you need
like ye D light to be able to get it
reflect back, because I don't think it's normal light there
because it's still all black and white here, so it's
got to be infrared. So that means something reflective gott

(01:33:17):
in the way of the lens here, which is kind
of interesting and almost look. Yeah, I'm not sure what
it is. There's any shape to it, but it looks
like one orb there and then you got this whole
mass here. I'm not sure what carouses a whole mass,
but you've got two orbs one two, maybe a big

(01:33:42):
orb here. Maybe how many frames is that Paul showed
up only showed up in one frame I think I
know two frames and went like that after and then
it went like that and then it went to that,
which is really strange.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Yeah, it is. I never saw that pile.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
I've never seen. Yeah, guess that's what I'm good at.
I'm good at video analysis and finding the stuff that
people tend to miss. To me, I've never had that
happen on my cameras, unless it's a really bug on
the lens where it's like a blurred out and it's
reflecting all the ID light back. But again it can't

(01:34:30):
be right in front of a lens. It has to
be like a certain distance away from the lens because
around the camera you have normally the LED emitters right
because it's called what you call active infrared, where it
sends out infrared, and infrared bounces off things and goes
back into the lens. So that means something's past in

(01:34:51):
front of the lens here, probably a couple of inches
and the LEDs I'm obviously going to be really bright there.
It sort of bounces whatever it's hidden his bouncing back
a lot of infrared light back at the camera sensor
and blinded it. See. But yeah, it's almost like a summit.

(01:35:12):
It's like something waters in the front. Yeah. Yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
This is the moment when Alan saw the bigfoot out
the window at the same time that this is happening.
That's Alan looking and seeing put out the window for
the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
He saw what he thought it was a book for
a shadow person.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
No bigfoot out That was his explanation. He was in
transfer her. You can see he's kind of in a
day's state of mind.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
There, I don't see.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Excuse me, not that window it's the window a little
bit to the right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Of the reflections the off the people being reflected off
the window.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
He's looking at it is slightly to the right of
kind of obscured by by what's his name.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
So there's another window here, you saying.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
Yeah, so what what what would you say that was?
Those three frames are will give me an explanation again,
because that's the moment when he for the first.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Thanks, it looks like it's fascinating. Well, it's there's there's
two three orbs there at least, which is probably dust,
but it means they would have to kick up to
a lot of dust towards the camera for that to happen.
But then then it's means this dust really really really

(01:36:48):
really close to the camera, which I've never seen it
do that on my cameras. Normally that ends up being
something power normal that passes in front of the camera.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Weird, man, Yeah, it is weird. But you can still
see dust particles reflecting through that as well. You've got
some dust or orbs reflecting. Whether whether these are power
noormal or not, it's a bit hard to tell though,
but it is strange that you've got to walk and

(01:37:22):
you can see it's passed through now it's going to
pass It's like it's stepped in liddle frame and then
passed out and then it goes to that. It goes
to that there, back to normal again, and I'm then
assuming on the object that's hidden towards them.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
That's really amazing. Thanks, And.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
I think that's the torch on the top of the
heads they've got. They've got torches here, which I believe
picking up some of the infrared from the camera, and
depending on how they're turning their head, it's reflecting off
the lens. They haven't got the torches on obviously, because
it's in infrared mode and it's reflecting some of the

(01:38:12):
infrared light back at the window here. Depending on how
he turns right, he's pointing to what he saw, but
that there lost like the infrared from the camera reflecting
off the top of his head there. And this is

(01:38:34):
when you see a light out the window, which I'm
not too sure if it is or not, could be
simply reflecting off his light up here. It's a bit
hard to tell. And of course that light it's pretty

(01:38:59):
stationary overall, but if you zoom into it there, I
think we can see some reflections of the bodies in
the window. Maybe if you've got a four K version
of it, and maybe you've got the professional source, you
can actually look at it a bit better. But that
light there does seem to be less circular. It seems

(01:39:21):
to have more of a a rectangle shaped to it.
So I'm not too sure if the lens has more
of a rectangle bit in it or not where it
could be related to the lens reflecting. It's but hard
to tell. I think you said you didn't see it
at the time of your eyes, but you saw a
light outside and you didn't You only saw it and

(01:39:44):
post edits or something, and then you got that there.
It's almost like apparition there. But is it simply his
reflection as he's turning and you see there's something there.

(01:40:14):
I'm not sure what it is, but it does look
like it's got a head, you know, head and a
body happen in there. Kind of weird. Yeah, it kind
of looks like a face too. It kind of look
looks like a face look looks it looks like a

(01:40:36):
guy with a beard, looks like he's got a mouth.
But that's paradolia for you. Yeah, I'm not sure what
that is, but it's not actually a reflection off the window,
but you can see there is a lot of noise.
But yeah, I think there's some reflections happening off off

(01:40:56):
the window wherever that's inside the cabin or outside the
cabin's but hard to tell. But anyway, and I think
I think it moves further away, which kind of suggests
but we only got that on the video. That's a
fuff us that went away. If it was moving further

(01:41:18):
away and getting smaller and they're standing still in the room,
then it can't be reflection off their heads, so that
might might be something outside. But anyway, just keep on moving.
And then we're talking about this bigfoot image here, which
again is very subjective in my opinion. They're saying, this

(01:41:42):
looks like a bigfoot, which it does sort of if
you use paralolia, Well, it looks more gorilla like, you know,
like a big arm there and thing going out there.
So it is a ghost of a bigfoot. You know.
You're saying you saw a bigfoot out the window, and
he's saying that's what he saw, but that means it.

(01:42:04):
That means it's got glowing eyes. If that's the case.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
To me.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
That to me, it looks like this photograph is like bushes.
It kind of looks like bushes to me, and you
can see the bushes and it's just a paradolia effect.
And I think there's this lights like a on a
balcony or a house behind there. But that looks like
a bush to me, you know. But yeah, I can

(01:42:33):
I can understand why people, if they're expecting to see
bigfoots on that land, that they might actually look at
the image and see a bigfoot. I can see it myself,
but looking closer at the image here definitely looks like
some sort of bush here. Well, this grassy stuff, it

(01:42:57):
looks like this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
The edge of a building. There's nothing there, There are
no there are no external lights out there, no electricity is.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
Yeah, I'd have to see a daytime snatchshot of that
same frame and then compare it. But anyway, I'm just
saying what I see. I can see a big foot,
but I can also see how it could be a
pair of doolia off these type of grasses with the
right light source and doing the S y S camera,

(01:43:39):
which I don't really like. I don't like this camera
at all and I'll go the reason why in a minute.
What was this one? He's doing experiment outside with the
rim pods and meter and Tesla cool. All right, they
had a Tescola cool there were is that they're this

(01:44:01):
little miniature Tesla cool to create energy into space as
the experiment. What they doing here, all right? They're standing
around talking.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
New member of our investigation team around, just talk telling
who she.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
Is, all right, and then they start walking down towards
the ranch or the stables.

Speaker 4 (01:44:36):
Or whatever it is that's going to the rock card
o rock, Okay, And those are those are structures that
the Indians, that Native Americans that that built the.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
That did the rock cards. Just telling their story about
who they were and what they did.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
These buildings they spent. These buildings don't look like Indian
night buildings there. They look more European.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
No, they're they're like six hundred years old and they're
all over the Southwest. They were building these things all
over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
This looks to me like there's a European influence here
with the bricks and stuff. But anyway, whether it's Spanish
or what. Yeah, but had to know though, as you
know the history of the migrations of how people got around.

(01:45:34):
But they're walking towards the hills where the rivers and
the mountain ranges, and this is where they're going to
the higher cliffs. What happened? So you got this one here,
the spiral pattern, which some say represents a portal. I've

(01:46:00):
heard other meanings for that. I can't mean exactly what
it means. I think it means can mean a new
beginning or a new chapter, like someone goes to a
new location. They do that symbol in the wall saying
this is a new beginning. I'm not sure where. I
think it was on some sort of documentary I was watching,

(01:46:22):
But anyway, just carry on and he's pointing out various
things on the wall. What's this one. I'm not sure
what that is. It looks like a little man. I
suppose it's a bit pixelated. Need a close up one
of it. A spiral and then the big Foot princess

(01:46:49):
the people calling it. Of course, there are stories with
Native Indians and the Bigfoot's connection, right, so to say
that they were called wild man because they're hairy and stuff,
and they also have in the Four Corners, they're the
story of about aliens that go into a portal on

(01:47:13):
the side of the mountain and go underground or whatever
and disappear. So there's a lot of Indian stories about
spacemen and bigfoots of course, and wherever they draw on
a big foot on the walls because they're interacting with bigfoots,
we don't really know whether it's meant to be a
bear claw or some other meaning. Maybe they also was

(01:47:43):
talk about giants back in those days. I know there
were some pictures of very tall Indians that were living
with Native standard Indians that were like three foot taller
and really big big people. Wherever there are freaks some
nature or the so called giants that they keep talking about.

(01:48:06):
We also got pictures of hunting parties. What is it
some sort of animal they're hunting there with the big
footprint there and they're saying this is a giant. So
maybe it was a giant. I don't know. Well, whever

(01:48:28):
he was closer to the camera they didn't have cameras
back then. Well, these were further in the distances, it
was closer. It's a bit hard to say, but yeah,
there's another one down here and looks like there was
something here, But it's sort of got washed out. And

(01:48:49):
there's another one image of it, another feather weight image
of it. What's at the top there, reindeer A couple
of rain there.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
Yeah, not just playing deer.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
H I just call them reindeer as a general thing.
And we've got that thing now. I'm not sure what
that is. One, two, three, four, five, five fingers on
each foot. I'm not sure what that could be. And

(01:49:31):
there's a strange cross. I'm not sure what that is,
but it looks a bit like your portal that you're
talking about. I don't know what are these images. I

(01:49:51):
don't know, could be humans, what could be what they
call the skin walkers. I guess it's hard to know
because they don't have words. It's many pictures. And then
you got this one here with the people looking at
the UFA that you're talking about. That's the other side

(01:50:14):
of it. So to me, that looks like a dog,
some type of dog or maybe some tame cat they
had as a pet. And that looks like a kid
with a man holding it on top of the on
his shoulders or back. Yeah, it looks like a man

(01:50:34):
standing there. And to me, that looks like it could
be the wife out there and then you got the
faraway shot of it here, So dog man, we kured
and wife looking at what you're claiming as a UFA,
I'm saying it could also be a building. I don't know.

(01:51:00):
Does look very lucky at the UFO. I must have
met big good if you could prove it one hundred percent
that it was actually a UFA, but we can't. You
can see how old it is. You've got the moss
grown on the walls. There's quite interesting. And then onto

(01:51:20):
the next thing, something happening on the ranch. I'm not
sure what others can't mender. Uh, there's the windmill, there's
the homestead. What's that other one ranch house? Okay, are

(01:51:40):
you looking up the ground for some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
That's the spot where the presumed portal is all right between.
That's where people have identified it. That's where we all
felt sick.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
We were in and he's saying there in between, everybody
feels a bit strange, that's right. And he gets out
of his equipment to measure it. What was this one here?
He gets out Tesla cool generator in a battery, bollocks
with it with an iron battery, and he's got a

(01:52:25):
trimeter on what's setting a minute field or electric looks
like I think it might be on minute. I'm just
trying to see where the dog was. But he's got
his thumb on it. So we got electrical here, I think,

(01:52:48):
And yeah, e LC, and you've got minute field over here,
and you've got one that measures the dirty frequencies as
well as they call it. And he finds that it
doesn't work closer to the ground than it does. It

(01:53:12):
has a beeper on it, and he's putting it down
to the ground, and the beeper goes quiet as he's
pushing it down, and when he's at waist height or higher,
the meter goes crazy. So it's mid ere. But I
think the thing the problem here with the trimeter is

(01:53:34):
from what I've read about them, because they're very expensive
to buy. It costs like a two hundred dollars US. Again,
some sell for five hundred or more. Well, I think
the dearest price I've seen for one of these trimeters
is about eight hundred dollars. But the professionals don't recommend
them because they're inaccurate. But they're good enough to just

(01:53:57):
get an idea of where you've got leakages in the house.
But yeah, so he can't work out Alan can't work
out the reason why it's it's sort of like hanging
around midway. But unfortunately he doesn't ask the camera man
to step way back. Apparently these trying meters trigger really

(01:54:18):
easily with headsets like little three inch speakers that they
just go crazy when you go near it and say
it comes up and says it's dangerous filled even with
the little tiny speakers. So this is what I've read
on this is what I've read.

Speaker 3 (01:54:38):
Well, he doesn't have any speaker or anything on right now.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
No, no, but the camera man would. The camera man
would have it around his neck. You know, they normally
have a little headset they can put on so they
can hear.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
See we can't.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
Yeah, but the cameraman, No, he doesn't have it. But
the cameraman might have a headset on it, which may
be interfering, and you have to ask he does not, Well,
they might have a smartphone or something in the pocket
that's triggering it. So really he should have then asked

(01:55:16):
everybody to step way back and see if the meter
goes silent. But he didn't do that. No, no, But
in the movie, you didn't You didn't prove it that
it wasn't coming from the equipment. You know, you should
have gone way us to step way back and just
filming from a distance and maybe see if the thing

(01:55:40):
went silent. The thing is, we don't know anyone sabotages
you with a smartphone in the pocket. There's only problem there.
But yeah, it could be paranormal. I'm not saying it's not,
just saying it needs needed to be better investigated there,
just to really river point. But anyway, just carrying on.

(01:56:04):
And then he gets out his thermal camera and looks
at the painstead and sees the whites, the mass there. Yeah,
what are you saying? Yeah? Yeah, what do you want
to say?

Speaker 3 (01:56:21):
And I'm getting I gotta take off pretty darn.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
Soon, all right, Yeah, okay, we're just carry out, keep
on going. What was that? All right? Just trying to
think what it is? What is that? Oh? That that
is spark's coming off the generator? Was it clat member? Now? Okay,

(01:56:44):
so this is some images of that. What you're saying
is a portal to me. I've seen this on my
cameras pretty every night, reflections of id light back at
the camera. And I looked at this image here and
I couldn't help notice you got a piece of grass

(01:57:05):
that's actually shaped like a triangle here, and it's also
got a round bit going around the outside, and also
over here it sort of lines up here. There's that
bit that's going around the outside sort of lines up
with this bit here for that but there because it's
not really defined once it gets up here, because that's

(01:57:29):
because there's less grass up here. That's why it sort
of fades away and you got this bit here. So
what I would have done is I would have got
out a knife and hacked all these down, made it
get rid of all these things that reflect the light
back at the camera, and proven the point that there
was actually still there. To me, though, that looks like

(01:57:51):
typical what you get of lead reflection back at the camera. Unfortunately,
this is why you have normally multiple cameras set up
just to prove a points. You normally have one on
a different angle and if you get the same image
from a different angle, then you can say, yeah, it's
not a internal camera reflection. So yeah, Unfortunately, that triangle

(01:58:19):
bit in this here and the curve of that one
there does sort of line up really well with what
they were saying in the video, So I think that
one's debunked in my opinion of it being a portal.
Then you overlay it, of course with the day is

(01:58:40):
it an overlaid one? You get the day photograph of
the same thing. You can't see the grass too well
this time because in daytime, but it's there, it's still there.

(01:59:01):
And then you go back to that again it's definitely there,
it's more invisible and for red. And then you've got
a light that happens in the distance and not sure
if it's a distant plane because you don't bring out
any of the track and apps just to prove it,
prove it or not. But does that one actually move?

(01:59:23):
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:59:26):
It does.

Speaker 1 (01:59:28):
Yeah, I think it does move the wrong but in
the game, so part I got to take off. Okay,
I was going to get onto the sols camera and
I was going to go over the technical stuff of that. Wow,
why you can't really use those in paranormal investigation because
it's got lots of problems with it. But anyway, if

(01:59:51):
you have to go, you have to go. I'll just
carry on the show and talk about the rest of
the movie and my finding on it, and wrap up
and then you can watch it later if you want. Yeah,
it was fine. Yeah, yeah, I went easy on you.

(02:00:13):
But that's good. I'm glad you enjoyed it. And stay
in touch and anything that you want to be analyzed
video wise and I can give you an opinion on it.
You just send up my way, and I'm quite happy
to do it for free. I'm also good with Audacity

(02:00:35):
audio stuff, so I can amplify stuff up and make
it sound better. So yeah, I'm pretty technical on that
side of stuff. But yeah, is this reflections in the camera.
I get it all the time. I can show you
examples of it. I've got them more on my website
of course. In fact, I caught one really interesting one

(02:00:57):
that I should show you before you go. I'm not
sure if you looked at it or not. I'll just
make it full screen here I have if you have
a look at my shorts folder. I got one which
I thought one night when I was looking at looking

(02:01:19):
at the camera, just by pure chance, I saw this
looked like at UFA hovering outside. I'll just see if
I can find it. You can see I've got all
these thermal images here and spider web and dog. This

(02:01:40):
is all but I got in the bedroom after I
got touched and dead. And it also like at Aiden Gray,
you can start to see it. Foreman, I ain't got
time to actually talk about it with you, but you
might be interested in that. You can watch the full
episode on it. This is my information I got from

(02:02:01):
the aliens about how the universe works. He might be
interested in that. I just didn't try and find that
strange one I got. Also got the ones with the
mist of oil orbs. You know you got one there.

(02:02:22):
You caught latter orbs going into the portal. That's just pollen.
I get it on all the time on my infrared cameras.
You get the very fine pollen. You can only see
it on infrared camera when it's blown in the wind
and all sorts of different directions that goes in and out.
It looks really like a high way of spirits in

(02:02:42):
the air, but it's not essentially pollen.

Speaker 3 (02:02:47):
Well, I don't there was anything blooming at that time.
Was way early in the spring. Nothing was growing out.

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
Yeah. Also, humidity does it. So if you get really fine,
if you can feel like dampness on your skin, which
you do get in the desert. Of course, humidity can
also show up little fine specs of water that moves
insectly the same way in.

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
The desert, so that would not be the case. And
you can see that the grass is not moving, so
there's no wind movement.

Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
Yeah you don't. I can show your videos where nothing's moving,
but all the stuff and videos moving because it's it's
it's stuff in the air that they lights reflecting off
very close to the camera. Yeah, where is it? I
got lots of pictures of my dog. He died. It
was put down four weeks ago, kind of missing. Here

(02:03:45):
we go this one here, isn't it. I caught this
on camera. I need help solving this one, I said.
But I actually solved it the next day. I'll just
move him out the way. This is a short on it,
but the full video is on my channel. I almost

(02:04:09):
had a heart attack when I saw it. I caught
this on camera early in the morning, after midnight. It
looks like a drone, right, it looks like a UFO,
But what it is is actually the camera reflecting of

(02:04:33):
a piece of vasseline. What I did is I put
vesseline on top of the camera to stop birds roosting
on it, and some of it actually got pushed off
by a bird land on it and started dripping down
in front of the camera. And this string of vesseline

(02:04:53):
was wobbling around in small breeze and that square led
lights were reflecting off and that's what the sort of thing. Yeah,
it's really cool. There's no way I could have faked it,
even because it was so sensitive, because this is like
a piece of snots in front of the camera. There's
no way you could do it with and try fake

(02:05:15):
it yourself. And of course I watched it and literally
it went in a place in the image where it
was over top of the roof and I said, oh, no,
they can't be in the distance. But yeah, I think
you can click on a link and actually get the
full video that I made it from, created from For
some reason, it's not actually working for me now it does,

(02:05:39):
so if you click on that, it normally goes to
the full video that I clipped it from, and you
can watch the full video and you can see this
is one of my cameras I got out the back,
so you can see the how it reflects off things,
the led lights on it, and there's the UFO right.
So I was up late at night and I thought,

(02:05:59):
I'll check the cameras before I go to bed for security,
just to check the gates, and I saw this thing
hovering around. We got it, you know, I thought, is
that a plane going to crash into the house? Is
it coming towards us? Or are we being inspired on
by a drain? You can see all the bugs floating

(02:06:20):
through the air. There as flecking off the lights as well,
but there's no pollen that night or droplets in the air.
So that one had me going, I thought, no way,
is that a spider on us? Fred? So yeah, eventually
I went to that as a vasseline drop of vasseline.
It was very very small, but it was enough to

(02:06:41):
wobble with the air currents and eventually it does eventually
go in front of the rooftop here. So that's a jewel.
That's one of these dual lens cameras that you can
get from from our express for I think it cost
me like seventy dollars in New Zealand, which is about
forty I think it's about forty dollars US. Yeah, you

(02:07:05):
want to go, I know.

Speaker 3 (02:07:07):
So so those three fames you showed me up, I
don't know what they were when Alan saw that thing
out the window. Did he cause a big foot? Those
those were amazing to see.

Speaker 1 (02:07:20):
Yeah, it's saving to find those things in the air.
So this is is like Ken, I'll talk about that
after you go. Why I believe why I believe they're
not aliens or whatever it is that the light outside
they're picking up again. I think it might be reflections
of the lights on their heads. Again, I'm not sure

(02:07:45):
that's right. He had a laser, you know, he had
a laser point to that's right, he had a laser
point just trying to find those orbs in the air
that you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:07:54):
Oh, it was way back in the beginning you talked about.

Speaker 1 (02:07:59):
And no I think it. Oh that's the stuff. That
tiny piece of metal just three millimeters across, and it
happens if you just keep zooming in a thousand times.
You got to be careful of people doing stuff like that. Yeah, yeah,

(02:08:21):
you two and Shane, Shane, you have to go for
dinner and we could talk for everyone this sort of stuff.
But anyway, enjoy, enjoy your dinner and rest your night
and Pats weekend talk again, sing and enjoy your breakfast,
well lunch. Ever, get it, But yeah, I had breakfast

(02:08:43):
a couple of bits of taste. So I'll just hang
up with you and say good night. Okay. So he's
got a dinner appointment he needs to get ready for
for six pm. I think it is. So what's mountain time?
Which I believe would be about now. So it's amazing

(02:09:04):
how time flies when you do this stuff. But anyway,
we'd better finish off what we were talking about here,
so we'll just go back and I'll just break it
down and tell you the problems I have. We were

(02:09:25):
the orbs a bit. Maybe it was before then it
must be coming up. But anyway, everybody knows when you
get pollen and water droplets in the air, even does
for that, it looks like a crazy highway of stuff, right.

(02:09:47):
That's why this is why I put up all these
examples for people to compare it to. So if you
say missed or whatever. Now he's saying there was a
no humidity and there was no problem. How's he know?
You know, we didn't see any evidence of that in

(02:10:10):
the video they're measuring it. I have a mistyped tip there.
I have to missed. Okay, so it's crazy missed. So

(02:10:31):
that night. You don't actually see the missed but the
camera in for a camera sees it right, and you
see it goes all over the place. That's this one
version of it. We've got a lot better ones than this,

(02:10:55):
of course on the channel. When is that match what's
in his video? Of course we've got the outside miss
Jeweln's mist water that's got inside the camera. Probably have

(02:11:16):
to say bugs or pollen or something. I don't know
what I called it. One time after that matches his video,
I should have looked it up. Really bugs so I
could show on have all book matte bugs from hell?
So thanks, Well, that's right. I was doing a live SkyWatch,

(02:11:44):
wasn't I? And you could see all these bugs and
thousands and thousands of above you flying around. It's like
a rain of bugs. Be interesting to see when winter
come all that dies down. Oh that's very similar to

(02:12:09):
what he was catching on his camera anyway, so it
could have been even a heap of bugs flowing towards
the camera. MM raining bugs on that one as well.
Get a little bugs in these zelands, strange objects caught

(02:12:32):
on a that was that one we're just watched, and
I think more bugs. Low Ray is Okay, what's that one? Oh,
doesn't that give you the creeps? Start to bring the
camera and it'll probably be covered on them. That kind

(02:12:57):
of reminds. Yeah, you don't see it your eyes. But yeah,
it's just amazing how small little bugs can get and
how many thousands are of them rain and bugs selfholand
no one well bugs anyway, the one that was on

(02:13:20):
these videos here somewhere. I'll find it sometime. But yeah,
we just carry on with the rest of them. Breakdown.
I should catch up on the side comments, really shouldn't.
I the see being from ours? How's it goin? I'm

(02:13:42):
not sure if I remember. You've been here very often.
H I think we've got a few comments below, have
we That'll look at old comment? I forgot to scroll
back down. These guys have been busy chatting. Are you

(02:14:05):
still with us? Later's run? Uh? Look for a mess engines.
There's a Windows Defender scan. No, I've got defenders disabled. Yeah.
I don't know why it went slow, but it's now working.

(02:14:27):
Okay again. I think it's one of those sneak things
that Google installed, right, and you can't disable it unless
you know about it. I've disabled lots of stuff over
the years. Okay, so maybe there's not too many comments

(02:14:49):
here as I thought there was. Most of it's the
stupid robot really just needs put out one comment. But
it shows you every domain ascendency. But anyway, Yeah, it's
got the SLUR camera, right, so I think I'm right here.

(02:15:14):
They're saying you can still see it here, but you
can see how it's dim and down. That's because it's
not as bright as in the other images now, and
you can still see there's some trace elements of it
and if you look, you can see something going out
that way, which is that but there, Yeah, it's fairly

(02:15:36):
obvious when I look at stuff like that. It's no portal.
But they've got this SLR camera, so i'll just talk
about that before we move on. So I'll twist it
down so you can get this app for the for

(02:16:00):
your phone. Ploy works better on the iPhone because it's
got more of a lighter on it and they can
use that as well as the infrared focusing. The thing
how can What they're using is they're using what it's
called a special lens that sends it infrared on your

(02:16:23):
phone that you don't see with your eyes, and the
filter in the camera lens stops you're seeing it as well,
but it sends it out there and works out the
distance of things in the relatively darkness so it can
get the right lens position before it takes a photograph.
What they use is a like an electronic membrane in phones,

(02:16:47):
but like a speaker cone, and that kind of moves
the lens out slightly and then can also bring it
back slightly by changing the current current in the membrane,
so it has like a move and part in your
camera which is the auto focus. So they're using parts
of the camera here to work out the limbs and

(02:17:15):
legs of a person that Microsoft invented for gaming, so
they get people off the couch, but they designed it
around standing people rather than sitting down people, so it
doesn't work too well at detection when something is sitting on.
These ghost hunting shows are often filming chairs, though, and

(02:17:36):
they get all these strange artifacts having it looks like
a person sitting in it, but there was never ever
designed to handle that sort of scenario, and it's just
mapping a heat signature is left by a person sitting
here and the curvature of the chair because it's the
infrared bounces back in three dimensions and it creates these

(02:17:58):
fake images and the chair after a person's been sitting
in it. So I installed this and I did a
test run of it, and I'll show you the video
I'm made of it. So this is my me playing

(02:18:21):
back the video and I'm through their phone app and
it's actually you. You can see it's mapping out the
guy on the image. So I'm not sure how the
app's working, but it it's looks like it's looking at
brightnesses and contrasts and working out edges of things in

(02:18:45):
the image image processing, and it's forming a stick image.
I don't think it's true l s S, but this
is this is the app they use. It's called ghost Tube.
So that he's it on an Android phone here or iPhone.
You can see this is my laptop screen. This is
the second screen that I used for low streams. But

(02:19:09):
I start putting around the room to serve and get
any other stick in images, and you can see it's
picking up cables and things, and it's trying to map
a human body onto it. See that one, it's got
my stand going up to the TV here, and then
it's picked up the thing I got hanging on there

(02:19:31):
with a cable and it reckons there's a person there
when it's not. So I got rare cables and things
hanging off it that it's detecting as a human or
power normal entity getting over here at each of the curtain,

(02:19:53):
I've got something down there all of a sudden because
the lines in the in the curtain itself has reflected
and back. So I can't trust this device to be
anything but a gimmick, not an actual, really good investigation

(02:20:13):
TOOLOT has picked up something up here what is reflected
off at the edge of the curtain. This is a
strange one where I'm looking at the disco lights on

(02:20:34):
the ceiling and it's picking up the light sources of
something that being in there. So it's garbage, right, It's
pure garbage, And so let's go back to them. And
the rest of half the show is using this camera,

(02:20:56):
which is our disappointment I find and you can see
he's getting similar images on his tablet he's got here.
Is he using the same software? I think he might
be using more professional software, but it's still doing the
same thing where it's trying to work out edges of

(02:21:16):
things with a human limbs because it's software, you know, exactly,
that's what I was getting stuff like this, right, reflecting
of various things in the room. And this is where
they're aiming at the rafters, and the rafters are being
picked up as something abnormal. Right. You can see it's

(02:21:40):
picking up the limbs across the beams here and the
blades of the fan and the roof. There's nothing paranormal
about it, right, Yeah, he's picking up well, this sort
of crap, and he's shining the lasering. Of course, you're
getting the rafters up here claiming that the claiming in
the video that's two bands when it's clearly not. It's

(02:22:03):
just the software is trying to say that's humans based
on how the device and software works, right, And they
shine in the laser pointer which you can see here
and reflected on the window and off the off the
lights and the aim in the l L S S

(02:22:27):
camera add it and getting the stick inseincts of stick
creatures or whatever. So yeah, I sort of got bored
of looking at all this. To me, I wouldn't have
included that in the documentary. I thought that sort of
is where most people would have sort of given up

(02:22:48):
on it. And sort of said that's garbage die and
it's got to stick man there, and they're doing stick
man camera work. So yeah, and then they bring on
this guy here, which is, as far as I'm concerned,
is the guy that's promoting bleds of all people, and

(02:23:08):
that would bring down the whole tone of being a
serious paranormal video. But this guy shows up in Skinwalker
Ranch nonsense as well. And I found out his PhD
is not in science as well. There's actually a PhD
in education to be a teacher, nothing to do with

(02:23:35):
science or anything or technical at all. And this guy
here is a guy that promotes bled so and he's
always on these conferences talking about UFOs and paranormal So, yeah,
we're talking about this inventor. Now what his name was, Tom?

(02:23:59):
Was it's Allen? And what was it Bob? Now, can't
remember what his name was now, But anyway, they meet
up talk to this scientist, a mad scientist looking down

(02:24:21):
on the drone down at the ranch and he gets
shown around by a person there. What this The government
scientists put put in in a triangle and they've got

(02:24:45):
to sold the charger for it to charge the batteries up.
So it's going during the nighttime. What kind of senses
are they? I don't know. It's not explained. But this
guy says they got a what you call it a
trail cabra aim to the sky, which is kind of
abnormal because you never aim trails cameras to the sky.

(02:25:09):
You don't need aim towards the ground of anything, because
that's what you want to capture, right And they've got
these senses plastered around the place. They're not had to touch.

(02:25:29):
What's that Some sort of looks like a heat dispenser,
the thing, doesn't it. And then he's talking about the
bigfoot footprints are going around the ranch there, which to
me looks like maybe just someone with big feet, but

(02:25:50):
I don't know. And that's sort of just you know
how they how you step in snow and it sort
of expands wherever. That's sort of something happens with the
water on the surface of that sort of soil there,
and it sort of makes a footprint expand in size.
Who knows. That's the sort of thing you'd have to
prove otherwise or not, and you'd have to set up

(02:26:13):
some cameras they actually capture wherever it's creating. The footprints,
but obviously that they're illegally. The gates were open, so
they obviously didn't get permission. So there's a closer of
what they claim as a big footprint. Could it be
a big foot? It could be. It could be coming

(02:26:36):
in through a portal, who knows, but there's no evidence
of it. It doesn't really look like a footprint of
a big foot there. It kind of looks like a
shoeprint if you ask me, it's like a bootprint here.
Could it be like someone that's like seven foot taur
with size fourteen or more shoes. I don't know. I

(02:27:01):
don't see any toe impression marks like you do with
the other shows like Expedition Bigfoot. All right, he's pointing
towards this one. Now, well, I see is a hell print,

(02:27:22):
But he looks like he's pointing there is. He's saying
there toes, So that means it's not really big if
that's the toes there se yea. Again, this is where
you need to use one of those lie Di scanners.
They should create a three D image of the footprint
and actually show it on computer screen like they do

(02:27:46):
on these other shows, or do a plaster cast of it.
Or something and actually have a look at it. But
it lost to me that where he's put his hand there,
it looks like toe is actually he's saying it. The
rest of it goes up here he's putting his hand
along it. But yeah, who knows what it is. Again,

(02:28:15):
it's still open to interpretation that one. This guy here
says he's inventor and electronics and stuff, and he's set
up a thing that measures positive irons. But the thing
is positive ions are always around us. Everything produces positive irons.

(02:28:41):
It's the negative ions that's not around us. So you
have to get create negative iron generators to counteract the
positive stuff, which is dust and all that, and knock
it out the air with the negative iron generators. Generally,
that's what you do. But he's saying claiming that whenever
they were getting stick creatures on camera, so they set

(02:29:07):
it up at nighttime and he's got a cheer here
and the claiming they're picking up stuff of stick insects,
which is really looks like his computer Tesla cool and

(02:29:27):
they're saying, this looks like an entity reaching down and
we don't trust the sl camera to be anything real.
It looks like it's reaching over to the laptop now
and then down to the air again you can see

(02:29:49):
making us stick insect type thing. And then you've got
these ones here appearing all over the place. We were
about some the rim They looks like the bench there

(02:30:11):
is it in the chair there or something? I don't know,
there's a chair all right. You see him bending down,
all right, it's trying to form his limbs and it's
not really good at things standing there and there's there's
what looks like limbs going up in there, but it's

(02:30:32):
actually his arm and then part of his leg going
this way, and it was the bench here there's his
laptop or device. Yeah, Like I said, the kinetics was

(02:30:53):
never designed to mat people sitting down and he's standing
up and moving. So they've got the chair there, what's
that underneath the torch and they're claiming that there's something

(02:31:13):
sitting in the chair. Now I've talked about that before.
If it's got leftover heat reschedule from him having a
laptop on there or sitting in the chair and leaning
on the chair, then you're going to get stick insects
or stick figures or whatever you want to call them.
But they're claiming it's looking down at the laser light.

(02:31:36):
All right. They're shying a laser light blob underneath the chair,
and they're saying it's looking down, claiming that's evidence of
it actually reacting to the light on the floor. Yeah,
I don't think so. So that's a long reach, a

(02:31:59):
long reach. Yah. So you guys, sits down and there
should be stick into creature, but there wasn't. So but

(02:32:22):
was he wearing? So you can see how it's got
all these little dots? Right, This is how these SLR
cameras work. The infrared camera can see what the phone
cameras or the S S S cameras I mean, are

(02:32:42):
sending out the infrared being and it creates all these
little dots that reflect off three dimensional and it tries
to work out limbs reason its software AI pretty much
to work out. And you can see it doesn't work
very well with people sitting down in this case, not

(02:33:04):
at all. And that's saying that's strange, even though they
were picking up something before. I don't see it's strange.
I think see it as a software problem. All right.
Now it's picking them, picking them up because he's moving,

(02:33:28):
and of course the OI dots are reflecting back. But yeah,
it's pretty pretty boring. I thought that with the s
l S camera and this is the guy's device printing
out on paper the level of positive ions. Now, I

(02:33:52):
did actually do some research on positive ions and google
various questions, and this is what it says. What generates
positive ions and nature. Positive ions are commonly formed by
strong winds, dust, humidity, and pollen. They are at their

(02:34:14):
highest levels just before an electrical storm. In general, anything
that that's toxic or has electromagnetic capabilities will generate harmful
positive ions. And then I said, here what generates positive ions.

(02:34:46):
Anything that's toxic or has electromedic capabilities will generate harmful ions,
including electric devices, which he had a computer, So if
the fan kicks off on the computer, then you expect
his detector to go crazy with peaks on it because
it's now sending the whole stream of positive ions towards

(02:35:09):
the sensor. And he had the laptop right next door
to the sensor instead of in a Faraday cage or
you know, outside of the experiment area. So I could
see a lot of problems with his say called thing.
And it's not about flora lighting and televisions, phones and computers,

(02:35:35):
so I think his experiment was flawed. And the end
of this movie, and he's saying that he was getting
peaks like this, which kind of suggests where you get
burst from the fan on the computer more than anything else.
I'd say, we quesht wrong button again. Then they took

(02:35:56):
about the guy talks about also he was filming this
orb outside that seemed to be dishovering there. Of course,
in that location, those people are known to launch lanterns
and lead balloons, drones and all sorts of things, right,

(02:36:21):
and this thing's discovering in the air, and he's getting
peaks inside like that, which again could be just the
fan of the computer blown. Right, And that was it

(02:36:43):
at the end of the movie. I'll give you a
link seeking out watch it properly if you want to.
It's pretty long, but yeah, this is garbage. Give you
a link to it. You can try it out in
your phones and you can see for yourself. Right. So

(02:37:05):
this is what they're using mostly in that movie, and
it's just rubbish ghost tube. It's free to use as well.
It's pretty fun though, but it's nothing to be used
for serious investigation, that's for sure. Of course, skeptical inquirer

(02:37:35):
talks about the Xbox Kinetics and powernormal investigation. I'll come
back to that in a minute, because we did the movie,
so we don't know that one. Here's a link to
the movie. I'll just post a link to it's free
to watch. Well, it's free on this location. Anyway, there

(02:38:08):
we go, so we're done with that one. Come back
to that. Of course, I wanted to find out what
phones the app works with and how it works, but

(02:38:34):
it was very hard to find information. So I looked
at how they can use auto focus, a laser auto focus.
Most of these phones have laser LEDs on it. I'll
just bring up a little clip on this demonstration.

Speaker 3 (02:38:57):
That's your problem.

Speaker 1 (02:38:59):
So you're seeing on the back of your phones. You
sometimes have multiple lenses or multiple camera lenses, and it
can take two images and somehow use software firmware inside
the phone to make the best image. But you also
have other LEDs and other sensors on the back for

(02:39:21):
auto focus and lider and that sort of stuff. You
can see here a little blinking light which you get
on all phones when you're using the camera that uses
for auto focus, and you can see it only with
another camera as long as it hasn't got infrared beam filtered,

(02:39:47):
so you need an infrared camera to film the back
of the phone to see it blinking like this. So
so yeah, so that's just a regulars Android phone. And
here's one explain how the little lately d sends out

(02:40:08):
little dots and reflects back to the camera and they
work out the distance to get it invested in focus right,
and they're using that in their software somehow to work
out edges of things to form stick people. But you

(02:40:30):
can see here in this video things what they got.
You can see here what we saw in the movie
and the I when you get these little lights making
lots of little dots reflecting off the person m you

(02:40:50):
can only see it with infrared camera of course.

Speaker 3 (02:40:53):
Light, but it's actually little dots. Can I shine it
on the wall back there?

Speaker 1 (02:41:00):
So this guy's demonstrating why you're getting that. In the
movie there you get the same pattern they were getting.
So that's how the stick insect thing works. It works
out through this famware off the camera the distances and
somehow they can get access through API call on the

(02:41:24):
phone which means application level communication to the device itself
and use it in their software and of course that
happened on Beyond Skinwalker runch too. They saw a Startlink

(02:41:48):
train above them in the sky and they didn't realize,
but someone got out there iPhone started filming it and
they started having all these dots in the tree and
the the CIA game. CIA guy didn't actually know at
the time what it was because he wasn't a technical
expert like he claims to be, and not till after

(02:42:11):
the show we actually got told by something. Probably he
probably investigated. Probably someone told him, oh, that's just a
known the thing that the phones use. And he was
telling Brando at the end of the Beyond Skinwalker's show
that they debunked that one, but they didn't say how
they debunked it. But they didn't actually at the time,

(02:42:32):
they were going, wow, look at this, it's paranormal blah
blah blah, and it looked like a bunch of idiots
on the show, right. So yeah, so that's how auto
focus works on the phone. So if it seems that
those invisible beings and it bounces back then and work

(02:42:53):
out distance, you know, and they just the membrane side
the phone to work to get the best focus. That's
why you can't aim a phone at the sky to
film UFOs because it always never is in focus, right,

(02:43:14):
because the phones are only designed to film something within
about twenty feet that's how far it goes and reflects back.
Anything beyond that it can't focus properly. So anything in
the sky that you're filming, it's got no way of
knowing where the focus is, so it just leaves it
where it is, you know, at last position. So yeah,

(02:43:41):
I'll just quickly draw it up. So you got your
phone camera, is it going to work? You've got your
little infrared lead and you've got your normal lens and
that's sending out beams obviously straight lines, and it reflects

(02:44:04):
of a person. And inside the camera it has like
a membrane like a speaker membrane with the glass thing
inside of it, and it somethly moves back and forth

(02:44:26):
just a little bit enough to get it in focus
and out of focus, and it moves up back and forth,
back and forth until it decides we're about the best
images based on the led up there. It's got a
special name for it, fd R or something like that,

(02:44:49):
fd AAR or whatever it's called. Yeah, you've got a
member inside of fine it's quite complex. You don't realize
is how complex the phone is. Do you have a
look inside of camera all the lenses they have inside

(02:45:11):
camera lens's switch like that, I should say phone h
sitting image. It has all that inside it. Right, they

(02:45:33):
have a sensor, you have a shutter which they put
current through and it goes black, so it creates like
a like the irs on for camera. But inside the
phone they have like a a shutter that goes through
current makes it black and it gives the time for

(02:45:54):
the process the frame. And you have all these image
lenses inside and the one in the middle will be
on a membrane that I was talking about that moves
back and forth like a speaker. And what you can

(02:46:18):
do this You can put filters in front of that lens.
You can get filters on the lens that filters out
of a different color light spectrum. But you can actually
open up your camera or get an old phone, pull
out bits and actually get to the camera and actually

(02:46:40):
move there's a filter. And here one of these will
be a filter that removes the infrared light. You remove
that that becomes an infrared camera. And many people have
done that modifying see with regular cameras that are a wee

(02:47:02):
bit easier to do. There's one with three lenses and
a couple of specialized infrared I want to probably be
lighter and want to be infrared transmitter. All different lenses

(02:47:28):
you can get for phones now that clips on top
of these ones. That's why they cost like two thousand
dollars now. Yeah. So they're talking about the testing out

(02:47:51):
the kinetics and in the house and also paranormal and
there's quite a big article here talking about the dots
it works and how he was getting strange errors like
I was like he was getting a vacuum cleaner. I

(02:48:12):
think it was a vacuum cleaner and a rubb rubbish
bag as well as himself being shown up as entities.
Vacum cleaner again, is it? So it picks up him

(02:48:35):
standing there and it's not really accurate at all, is it.
Let's see, it's full of errors and he's got a
vacuum cleaner, oil shopping bag here or something to reflect enough.
But he talks about it here in detail how it works.

(02:48:57):
H sticking sensories be repassentble something out of a horror
monster Amien movie. Stick figures remain locked in one place,
they move the limbs about like a dancing queen. All

(02:49:20):
these can be traced back to a common source user error.
It's not a glitch in the system originally designed, because
it was working as it was designed to do. These
false positives are due to ghost hunters ignore and how
the voice was intended to be used, and ignoring the

(02:49:41):
recommendations set forth for the manufacture that would seriously lower
the likelihood of a stick figure being assigned to a
natural and an object. Let's look at more in depth
explanation the Canetics as it's designed, or SLS. It was

(02:50:02):
designed to be placed above or below a television between
two feet and six feet from the floor. For the
Xbox three sixty Corntum Microsoft just the same measurements, includes
the note that higher the better. Was also designed to

(02:50:23):
be placed on a stable, stationary surface, not handheld, as
we see in portable versions used in paranormal shows such
as Ghost Adventures. But wait, isn't the kinetics used for
applications other than games. Yes, from robots using it for

(02:50:44):
navigation to scientists using it to make a three D
scan of a clear floor. But in these cases the
software has been adapted for specific users by scientists, engineers,
and programmers who are detecting mapping things that they are

(02:51:05):
known to exists. They train it to recognize the objects
that they're looking for. Rocks, metals, land messes. All these
things have knowing quantities and hobby of ghost hunting. Paranormals
are using in the same software the gamers. They use

(02:51:26):
them which is designed to detect players that come into
the play area. The play area, as pre Microsoft, should
be at least six feet blah blah blah. The Cadence
has a large reference library to compare with human shapes,
but it doesn't have any filters. Like I said, they

(02:51:48):
went to a million people. They paid a million people
to film them in all sorts of positions and heights
and sizes, and they use that as a model. Keep
in mind that the Canenics is relying on depth sensor
for recognition of a player. It is reading the distance

(02:52:10):
of the infrared speckle pattern to determine depths. Also keep
in mind that the software will make guesses on where
miss and limbs might be based. This is why you
see hands or feet wiggle around when you're in front
of the canonics. Holding your hands in front of you

(02:52:33):
and your feet are just off screen. When the difference
in the depth of various objects matches images in the
connecticuts reference library, it will get confused and sign a
stick figure to it. So that's why you get it
in chairs. So what they're saying is if you're standing

(02:52:54):
next to an object and it sees one side of
arm or leg, it can then map the other arm
and leg to being a table or something that standing
next to you, or something that's behind you because it
hasn't got it twice to turn a three D perception

(02:53:14):
into a two D perception, and it's using its software
to try and map where human is and it gets confused.
I suppose with AI you could probably train it to
be even more intelligent than that, and ritually it would
actually get more clever and naturally reduce the false positives.
But how much process and how would you need and

(02:53:37):
the memory to store the pattern matching. But the technology
will get there, right, eventually, it will just get better
and better. But for Ghost London, I think this is
just a garbage thing. EMF is a good one and
rempod is a good one. So if you improve it's

(02:54:00):
not interference and you ask it questions and it triggers
it and then stops it and you can just somehow
ask it various questions in a way. Maybe then it
becomes that becomes a good useful investigation tool, that there's
something triggering it, some visible clicked bigfoot or whatever. I

(02:54:24):
don't know, but but there this l s canse thing
is just stupid. So it goes in quite a bit
of depth here on explain that all it works. So
there's this vacuum cleaner, but it's a bit like what

(02:54:45):
I was getting at the side of the computer here
with the the arm going up to the TV emailitor
being it was mapping the cables hanging off it. So yeah,
I'll post a link to the article there. You're going
to have a if you want. Are again for time anyway,
we started a lot of early today. It's coming up

(02:55:06):
to three hours, but I'll probably end up going early
today anyway. I have to keep it under four hours.
Apparently pill only allows us to do four hour strings
and it cuts us off. So I have to try
and keep stuff under four hours, or I have to
re upload it to Peeled after and replace the one

(02:55:31):
they chopped off. They keep saying, oh, it's all about costs, costs, costs.
I said, what you want to be in competition to YouTube?
YouTube replacement? If you don't do the secondliest saying what
YouTube offers, they're not a replacement. How is it working? Sure?

(02:56:04):
At scrolling? Oh yeah, so I just called it kinetics
or s l S CAM Help I spell it wrong? Anyway,
it doesn't matter. What's there any other comments here? Did
I miss anything? Just mostly my stuff, isn't it? Michael check?

(02:56:32):
Processes are right as we read last time? Anyway, We're
done with that, I think, and back to skin Walker

(02:56:57):
Ranch the Bank next week. I guess I have to
look at getting some new guests on again, hopefully in
UFO IS or UFO rather than paranormal. But yeah, can
we find that misty one? I have to. I think

(02:57:19):
I had some images. I must have missed it some somewhere.
It wasn't that one that was a plane going behind
the tree that dancing theories as have a look at

(02:57:48):
that one? What's the faeries in it? H? Here we go? Yeah?
Nice little bugs? Yeah, there are any little clips? So

(02:58:10):
I think I got the four videos up there, though
I'm still trying to find that one that's similar to
what they were showing in the movie Rain and Bugs.
I don't think it was that one. That was the
UFO thing, which is crazy more bugs, low rears. Okay,

(02:58:32):
let's have a look at that one. Oh, don't they
give me? I don't know. That's right. We looked at
that one. Uh, it means what I called it, of

(02:58:55):
course I don't always use I don't normally say what
it does so people can look at it. And then
if I read the description, I say what it does.
I don't say it is a title and stuff because
I want people to look at it, you know, UFOs,
and then they watch it. And then I say in
the decription it's not UFOs, it's Bags or anywhere, because

(02:59:17):
people won't watch it otherwise. And Google certainly doesn't promote it.
If I do say it's UFA. So whatever I say
it's bags, they will promote it. It kind of ruins
it because people don't want to watch bags on camera? Right?

(02:59:37):
Where was it raining bugs? So where the best of
I put it must have been a videos I see
if I can find it. Angry Sky, Right, that wasn't it?

(03:00:06):
Uh spied it as back? Yeah, he's back again too,
making a right mess of my camera again, what's that one?
That's what rain looks like. You can see how much
moisture reflects of rain drops coming down. What's that one there?

(03:00:34):
Spooky hands? No, not that one. Amazing how the still noon?
All right? Lighten up the clouds. That's again night off ghost.

(03:00:54):
So here we go. This is what they call on
the camera, very similar to this. I believe this is
just pollen blown off the trees. And you can see
how crazy it is. You can see how the led
lights are. It's so thick with even some moisture and

(03:01:15):
pollen or a bit of blow or one or the
other that the LEDs lights reflects so much back at
the camera and it's just crazy. And yet outside that
looks like a perfect calm night. You can see there's
no there's no big wind there. There's a tree there

(03:01:38):
in the background. I think you have to look at
I think moving there is not. It's a bit hard
to see though, but believe me, I was outside there
and I couldn't see anything there. But on the cameras

(03:02:01):
like that, it's just crazy. But here he's got a
bit in this's uh folder where they're claim and that's
a lad of warps coming out with the triangle, which
is obviously garbage. I was just trying to see where
it was a going. It wasn't there, h h damn

(03:02:32):
was it here? No, just trying to find where it
might be. I'm pretty sure it was around right here.

(03:02:59):
You can't tell me that's not a reflection of that right.
You can see it's a reflection. You can see that's
reflecting up there, and that there there's less defined as
that one there because that's more bendy. But that one
there looks like that there isn't it turn up? And

(03:03:21):
of course it's outside the reflection point here, so you
don't see the rest of it. And of course they're
saying that's the portal, but it's not. And they're showing
the daytime view of it, and you can see it

(03:03:47):
looks like there's something else here, right, it looks like
this here? What's that? The bugs? And I'm not sure.
I think that might have been a plane or helicotter person,
you know, anyway, it doesn't matter, all right, this is

(03:04:13):
where they were getting all that sort of stuff heading
towards the cameras, but had to show it here you'd
have to watch the movie. I don't want to play it,
because I know i'd get copyrights because it's on YouTube
and other platforms and Apple podcasts and all that sort
of stuff. I know it would probably get flagged by

(03:04:35):
YouTube because they would have indexed it. Even though it's
free to watch, it's still copyrighted material, right, even though
we'd have to go through all the hussle trying to
get the copyright removed because we know the film director
or whatever. I think that was it. It's about hard

(03:04:56):
to see it without looking on the video itself. But yeah,
I think I've got better stuff on my camera. But anyway,
relieve it there, I suppose, and wrap up the episode
without adding more to it. It's a better shame you

(03:05:17):
couldn't stand and stay around a bit longer to discuss
all the other things I've raised. But yeah, I suppose
it's a bit more interesting then it's going to walk
a ranch stuff. But still a lot of it's subjective,

(03:05:40):
a lot of it's debunkible. But yeah, that one where
it sort of wipes out the camera, I don't know
what caused that. That's kind of the strange bit in it.
I thought this the government sensors a bit in the
movie was interesting with the government be setting up sensors

(03:06:01):
there and what they measure, and we don't know. I
suppose they're not there to touch it, even though they
pulled off one of the covers. Whether it's picking up
bursts of radiation from the gown, it could be. It
could be a raid on sort of detecting system. As
we know that the skin Walker Runch team that the

(03:06:22):
CI guy went to Bradshaw Runch and they had a
special camera that could map raid on gas and they
found there's a whole pocket of it above the ranch
where it's leaking from the gown and it's forming clouds
of it, and a regon it's the same thing they
need to do on skin Walker Runch. But as Ron
said that, they leave a lot of stuff out of

(03:06:45):
the episodes, or the editors do, and I regon that's bad.
If that's the case. If they're catching more stuff that
proves something that is happening, then they should be showing
it and not trying to do ratings and making money
for it. That's why I would never use Hollywood myself.

(03:07:09):
You know, if I was doing a TV series, I
simply would be self published. And if they want to
put it on their TV show as is, and they
can as long as we'd fill a contract saying you're
not aw to re edit it, or I'd have to
have approval of what edits there is before it goes

(03:07:29):
to air. That you know, Hollywood probably wouldn't I scept
those demands, would they anyway? But I think in skin
Walker Ranch and the reason they're not getting any activity

(03:07:49):
because it's related to the people that's on the land.
So it's let's say, yet aliens coming to skin Walker
Ranch to adduct certain perce people that were living there,
and they're not there anymore. Then those aliens are not
going to come back, are they? The UFOs are not
going to come back. That's why they're not capturing them.
So at that time that Brandon says he saw a UFO,

(03:08:14):
there was probably some people that they were interested in
still living nearby or with Brandon that night, and they
were coming and they happened to capture the capture it,
see it as a kid or whatever. I think it
might even happened in the daytime, didn't it. This is

(03:08:36):
why I wanted to get brand on on so I
can actually talk to him about this sort of stuff
and discuss it with him, but I tried to keep
middle ground tires she saw today. I didn't want to
tear the guy completely, but with some of the evidence
in the movie, I wanted to keep the discussion flowing

(03:08:58):
and rather than make people say, oh, that's a horrible
person not going on her show ever again or whatever,
because I'm because I've had main experiences, so I can
explain why people get suckered in. And even I have
to debunk my own stuff, don't I. So yeah, So

(03:09:22):
I'm just going to wrap it up there, guys, Hopefully
you liked it anyway, I try and get more guests on.
Of course, I wish you woren a headset though I
could see it cutting out. I'm not sure how it
come across on YouTube, but when people don't wear the

(03:09:43):
headset and they got the volume not too loud on
the laptop, you get that sort of cutout that happens
when you overtalk each other. If you have a headset on,
that sort of goes away, right because the software is
not trying to cancel out me talking. And of course
if you get that delay, that's where you get that

(03:10:03):
sort of fade out of the audio, right, So only
one person can talk out of time. But if you
have it a wired connection and the headset with Mike,
you can talk at the same time and it will
pick up both people talking at the same time without
cutting one out because of the software noise cancelation. Nonsense, right,

(03:10:25):
but he said he didn't have a headset. Oh, I
live in mikes. So thanks to you guys. Silled eight
on YouTube. Well, so that's the most people we've had
on for a while. I'm not sure if it because
I said it was Bradshaw a ranch on today, but yeah,
I'm just try and get more people one like that.

(03:10:47):
But it looks of it because these guys are interested
in what they have to say. But yeah, it's time
to wrap down now and stay safe and drives ff
on the roads and I'll say goodbye if I can
find the things shuts it down ended. Thanks for you nation,

(03:11:16):
Mike if you're still there, and I think your message
just popped up after I closed, and hopefully see you
again next weekend if you haven't quit YouTube. That's it

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is a mountain. Better get something to eat now almost
one o'clock here, go and watch the movie now you'll
see what I mean. What's the conslation single on I

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do think so to sink here since the Christ

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