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August 7, 2025 • 21 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to there is a Method to the Madness.
My name is Rob Maxwell and I'man exercise physiologist and
personal trainer.
I am the owner of Maxwell'sFitness Programs and I've been
in business since 1994.
The purpose of this podcast isto get to the real deal of what
really works and, mostimportantly, why things work.

(00:21):
Hence the name there is amethod to the madness.
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(00:48):
I'm very happy and excited thateverybody tuned in to this
episode of there Is A Method tothe Madness.
I understand that this is avery pressing matter because
everybody really wants to knowwhat they absolutely should eat
and should not eat.
So I'm going to tell you whatyou should eat and what you

(01:12):
should not eat.
I mean, we know we tune intoall of our different channels
and on the TV and we're going toget different opinions by
alleged doctors.
Maybe they are, but you knowthey're not necessarily playing
one necessarily on TV at thatpoint.

(01:33):
You know we're going to go onto our social media sites and
we're going to be told to eatthis and not that and I know you
want to hear it from thehorse's mouth at least the
people that listen to thisbecause you trust me, you trust
the information, or you wouldn'teat that.

(02:01):
Okay, now I could just end itright there and we'd have
ourselves a nice 2 minute and 12second podcast, but I'm going
to explain that a little more,since I can remember and

(02:21):
everything that I've lookedbefore I got into this industry,
which was in the early 1990s,and I was studying health and
fitness even earlier than that,because I was a gym rat that
loved to work out.
So basically, from the 80s on,I've been looking at this stuff
on.
I've been looking at this stuffand then, when I look at the

(02:44):
history of this type of thing,which is basically a cult
dieting, I like to call it it'sbeen going on forever.
I mean, you can go back toreligious beliefs and you know
those are normally for differentreasons other than weight loss,

(03:05):
weight gain or health andfitness.
They're usually not about thatper se, but it's still this
dogmatic way of avoid this andconsume this type of thing.
The reality is this humanbeings are omnivores and what
that means is we can eat almostanything.

(03:27):
An omnivore technically meansyou can eat animal product and
you can eat plant products aswell.
So you can be vegetarian or youcan be a carnivore, all right.
So we can eat almost anything,and not to be like silly or rude

(03:47):
, but it kind of looks like wedo Right, here's what we need to
understand that diet is a big.
The diet industry is a multibillion dollar industry.
None of the information thatyou're receiving out there that
you're getting is new.

(04:09):
It just takes on differentpackaging and different
terminology to resell it to thegeneral public.
I think you can all think of atleast one or two food groups
you're not supposed to eat,right.
So, carbs, maybe.
Don't eat carbs.
Oh, that makes complete sense,considering your brain runs on

(04:33):
glucose.
Oh, don't eat carbs because youknow why?
Oh, because a Baby Ruth or aSnickers bar happens to be a
carbohydrate, awesome.
So is broccoli.
So is a sweet potato, so isrice.
Those are two different things.

(04:54):
But let's just, you know, lumpit all together and say don't
eat carbs, so that's one, right?
Maybe you hear let's see whatelse is a common.
Oh, don't eat sugar.
Of course that's kind of thesame thing, but it is different.
So sugar is a form ofcarbohydrate.
It's actually glucose or whatwe call a monosaccharide, but
all that is is a carbohydratebroken down.
So, no, we need that.
Oh, you mean, don't eat overlyprocessed sugar and too much of

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it.
That's really what you mean,right?
Yes, that's what the expertsmean Don't eat too much of it.
But see, human beings reallystruggle with that.
They struggle with like I'macting, like I'm not one.
They, they.
We struggle with gray area.

(05:54):
We don't like to have to makedecisions for ourselves.
I guess it's, you know, it'sthe problem of having that, you
know, prefrontal cortex right,we sit there and we process and
we have to think about thingsfor ourselves.
Where other forms of animalsthat's not the case.

(06:14):
They rely on their owninstincts to eat what they can
and not eat.
I can throw down an egg yolk ifI'm making an egg white omelet
or something like that and I'mnot using all the yolks and I
don't like the waste.
So I can put one in Hazel'sbowl and she's going to gobble
it up because she knows for herthat's good food.

(06:35):
Now, if it was rancid, shewouldn't eat it.
You know dogs, cats, allanimals we we just don't follow
them have pretty good instincts.
It's funny every time a pieceof romaine lettuce which I eat a
lot of too has fallen on thefloor, she goes over, she looks
at it, she turns her nose up atit.
Why?
Because it's not food for her.
So animals are, for the mostpart, really really good at that

(06:59):
.
We are not right Now in fairness.
We can eat more, are not rightnow In fairness.
We can eat more.
You know we can.
Basically.
You know dogs, cats mostly arecarnivores, but there are also
certain grains, certain plantfoods that they can consume to.
You know, like Hazel lovescarrots, I'm sure your dogs do

(07:20):
too.
You know cats tend to or Ishould say my cat tends to like
we'll lick up creamy stuff, evenif it is like plant-based stuff
.
You know she's going to turnher nose up at other things, but
we can eat many, many, manythings.
There is nothing that weshouldn't eat, except too much

(07:43):
of anything, and therein liesthe problem.
What is too much?
That's the problem.
Well, everybody's different.
Your resting metabolic ratemight be 2,800.
I've seen people with restingmetabolic rates that high, and
they exercise.
So that means they couldprobably eat four to 5,000

(08:04):
calories a day and not gain apound.
And then there are other peoplethat have RMRs resting
metabolic rates of around 1,000.
I've seen it lower.
So that means anything theyconsume over a thousand calories
, they're going to start to gainweight.
Now they need to exercise a lotto kind of balance that out
right, but that's still not verymuch food.

(08:27):
So it just depends.
How do we know?
Well, we know from trial anderror.
We can get some testing done,but that's not the point.
I can do and have an entirepodcast on that.
What we need to know is it'sindividual how much we can eat.
Are there bad foods?
What not to eat?

(08:48):
Not really.
I mean.
There are foods that don't makeas much sense at the time, but
it doesn't mean they're bad.
For example, if you are adiabetic and you go into a stage
of hypoglycemia or a state ofhypoglycemia, you better eat

(09:09):
sugar that's going to beabsorbed very quickly or you
will die.
If you or could die Soundsdramatic, but it absolutely is
the truth.
You can be running a marathonand taking zero sugar products
the entire time.

(09:29):
You will bonk.
You will not finish.
You need glucose and glucosepolymers, which is a form of
glucose to get you through.
You're going to need it and youknow.
Most marathon runners will tellyou I don't care if it's a goo
of perfectly formulated,scientifically formulated

(09:50):
glucose polymers or if it isjelly beans, because I know
plenty of people, by the way,that have done marathons and eat
jelly beans along the way.
It doesn't matter, your body isgoing to absorb it.
It's going to break it down,absorb it as sugar, so that's
not bad.
Right, then, that's not a badfood.

(10:11):
You could be sitting at home,kicking back, watching your
favorite television show andopen up a bag of candy and munch
munch, munch, munch.
Is it a bad food?
No, but it's really unnecessaryand it's probably way more
calories than you need at thatparticular time.

(10:31):
It's not like you're in actionor in motion and sugar isn't
going to store as well asglycogen with with as glycogen,
like your complex carbohydratesare.
It's not that it's bad, it'sthat it's unnecessary.
All right, we can play thisgame with any food.

(10:51):
Now let's say that you, um.
Now let's say that you havestruggled with some obesity.
Maybe you have a tendencytowards some disordered eating.
So you have a tendency towardsbinge eating syndrome.
You know, and that's prettycommon it's the more common
eating disorder among males thanthe other two forms of anorexia

(11:13):
and bulimia.
But it's disordered eatingpattern and again, and sometimes
it just doesn't even godiagnosed because they're like,
oh, that guy just eats a ton.
It's like, yeah, but he's obese.
That's not good that he eats aton all the time.
But for some reason as asociety we give that a pass.
And again, I can go off on thatsubject, but that's not the

(11:36):
point of today's podcast.
So let's say that you'vestruggled with that, you've had
an obesity issue and you lostweight and you lost it.
Of course, the only way reallymodifying your diet, exercising
more, eating less for what youneed.
You lose weight, you get downto a certain weight.
Okay.
So maybe for you you're going towant to watch some of the

(12:00):
sugars, the added sugars andfoods.
Are they bad?
No, but for you they mighttrigger a binge eating episode,
because they can.
It's kind of like alcohol to analcoholic If they stay away
from it, they're going to befine.
If they get a sip of it,they're going to be in trouble.
So the same could be said andit's true.

(12:22):
It's a fact.
For people who have struggledwith some obesity, there tends
to be sort of an addiction tothe sugar, to the actual glucose
and to the actual endorphinbuzz that they might get from
eating the serotonin kick andall that kind of thing.
And so you know, if they'reeating more high fibrous foods

(12:42):
they don't get that, but as soonas they take a sip of Coca-Cola
or something, they're going tohave a tendency to want more and
more.
Ok, is it bad for them?
Yes, but it's not good.
A like forbidden food per se.
It's like I don't know thatthis is going to be good for me
only because I can't modify it.

(13:03):
Okay, there you go.
So for them, they may need towatch certain types of foods.
If you have heart disease, studyafter study after study has
shown that if you have highcholesterol, if you start to
have some blockage in yourarteries, one of the worst
things you can consume issaturated fats and trans fats.

(13:25):
That's not good.
Does that mean all fatty foodsare bad?
No, what if you don't?
What if you have inherited aperfect liver and you don't have
the tendency to increase yourcholesterol levels up to even
remotely bad levels?
Because a lot of that, a lot ofcholesterol is genetic.

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So what if you don't?
You're not overweight and yousimply like fatty foods?
Okay, why is that bad?
It's not.
We have to understand that noteverything is black and white.
But for that cardiac patientwho went in, had their

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cholesterol checked and theirtotal cholesterol is low, their
LDL cholesterol is way too high,their HDL cholesterol is too
low and their ratio is low.
Okay, the doctor, if they'rebeing responsible and I don't
know any that are not are goingto say you know what you need to
get on a low-fat diet, becauseit's the saturated fat that we

(14:33):
know that increases thecholesterol in the bloodstream.
Sugar does to an extent too.
But if you ever notice, mostcalorically dense foods are high
in processed sugars and fat.
So for them, they're going towant to modify their diet Go
more plant-based, go morevegetarian, eat more fiber.
Is it bad?
No, it's what works for you,okay.

(14:56):
Finally, what are the greatfoods, the super foods you
should eat?
Oh man, let's just make thatsupplement industry that's also
a billion dollar industry evenricher.
Come on, people I know you'renot that dumb, really.
I mean, come on that old snakeoil salesman stopping at your
door telling you if you justconsume these super foods, your

(15:17):
life's going to get rosy.
Come on, you know that's nottrue, right?
I mean, I have to say it to youstraight right now, because I
really can't believe how manypeople still fall for that crap.
There is no such thing as asuperfood.
You could put protein into thatcategory.
You know, you have all thesepeople, man.
I don't know why I follow theseaccounts because all they do is

(15:38):
bitch about them later on.
But it's like I see thesepeople and they give you the
eight rules for life.
You know type of folks on thesefitness, you know websites or
whatever, and one guy well, notone.
They all do it, but they listeight things and almost every
time one of the eight is and eathigh levels of protein.
It's like OK, protein is not asuperfood.

(16:00):
Protein is one of fourmacronutrients, the other three
being carbohydrates, fat andwater.
Macro means you need it inlarger quantities.
That doesn't mean a ton.
It means more than micro, whichyou need for vitamins and
minerals.
Just a little bit.
So you need enough.
You need enough Like.
If I'm going to give you ablanket number, for most people

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it's going to be somewherearound 90 and 160 grams a day.
If you weigh more, you mightneed a little more.
If you weigh less, you mightneed a little bit less, but
that's not high, high, highprotein.
So why does it work well forpeople?
Well, because protein.
Typically, if you eat leanproteins, it's pretty low in
calories.
So like if you eat Greek yogurt, it's pretty filling and it's

(16:45):
only 90 calories.
So you know that's why Doesthat make it special, great and
super.
No, we just need enough.
We just need enough ofeverything, and the bigger and
more active you are, the enoughis more right.
If you're smaller and inactive,the enough is less.

(17:06):
We just need enough.
There are no foods we have toconsume.
There are no foods we shouldnever consume.
It's really about learning howto moderate and getting back to
that sugar example, because Ithink it's very important.
Too many people become binge.
Then, yes, you probably shouldlearn to eliminate to the best

(17:40):
of your abilities.
But if you're a person who hasgreat blood sugar levels, you
are active, you are by no meansoverweight and you want to have
a little bit of candy afterevery time you exercise, or
maybe just as a little bit ofdessert every day, who cares
every day?
Who cares?
It's working for you, that'sfine.
If you can do it, do it.

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If you can't do it, don't do it.
It's not about the foods people, it's about you, your behavior,
your ability to moderate or notmoderate.
Nobody can sit there and makeyou do what you need to do.
You have to get out of thatright and left thinking and get

(18:22):
in the middle and figure outwhat works for you.
But please quit demonizingfoods.
It gets really, really old tous professionals, because we're
constantly fighting this battle.
I'll leave you with one morestory on that.
Fighting this battle.
I'll leave you with one morestory on that.
Years ago, when I was teachingsports medicine, I had my

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students do all this research,go and find all this data.
I already knew the answerbecause I'd done it before, but
I wanted them to see it and Ihad them pull up all the
specifications for the diets,like the Atkins diet, which is
eat as much fat as you can eat,you know, and don't eat
carbohydrates basically, whichnow they much fat as you can eat
, you know, and don't eatcarbohydrates basically, which
now they just call keto.
They just, you know, renamed it.
That was the main one we lookedat and I had them go to the

(19:08):
website Dr Atkins website and Ithink I looked at a couple, but
anyway I'll just keep it thisone.
And you know they were supposedto pull up exactly what the
recommendations were based onthe diet.
And I said, all right, so pullup their typical day's diet for
an average sized person.
And they did.
They brought it in.
I said, all right, now let'sbreak it down.
Let's go in here, let's open itup.

(19:30):
Let's find out how manycalories are in each meal, how
many calories this person'sconsuming all day, how many
grams of carbs, how many gramsof fat, how many grams of
protein, yada, yada.
Let's figure it all out.
And then we pulled it up and Isaid so what stands out to you
is why these people are losingweight on this hack and stide.
Is it the fact that they'reeating zero to 20 grams of carbs

(19:52):
a day?
And the students who are younglook at it and go well, they're
also only eating about 900 to athousand calories a day, like
right, that's the only reason,like the textbook way that they
wanted you to do it was working.
Because you're on a low caloriediet.
There's only so much cheese andmeat you can eat.
You're on a low calorie diet.

(20:13):
It's not like you're going toeat three blocks of cheese for
lunch, right?
So all of these diets workbecause they get you to eat less
.
What I want you to do is figureout if you need to lose.
How can you get yourself to eatless without any of this magic
potion, bs, stuff that's beingpushed out there?

(20:35):
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