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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to there is a Method to the Madness.
My name is Rob Maxwell and I'man exercise physiologist and
personal trainer.
I am the owner of Maxwell'sFitness Programs and I've been
in business since 1994.
The purpose of this podcast isto get to the real deal of what
really works and, mostimportantly, why things work.
(00:21):
Hence the name there is amethod to the madness.
Before I get to today's show, Iwant to thank Jonathan and Lynn
Gildan of the Gildan Group atRealty Pros.
They are committed to providingthe highest level of customer
service in home sales.
Why don't you give them a shoutand figure out what your home
is worth?
386-451-2412.
(00:44):
What's happening?
Everybody out there in thefitness world?
It's Rob here and we're goingto talk about some health and
fitness issues.
I think this is going to be areally good one.
It is a subject matter I'mpassionate about and it's like
everything comes together thismorning where I'm like you know
(01:07):
what?
This is what we need to talkabout a little bit.
So first off, let me say like Iwas having a great discussion
with a client this morning andwe were talking about tough love
and stuff like that and somehowwe ventured into like what
(01:27):
makes a trainer correct form,and like what makes a trainer
let certain things go.
So we started talking aboutthat.
So that's kind of like perfectfor what I'm going to talk about
today day.
The second part, though, of thisis that you know it's probably
going to get some people all upin arms, because everybody makes
(01:48):
things political, and if it'syour guy I'm talking about, then
you know, whatever side of theaisle you're on, then it's like
oh, you know, things go in oneear and out the other, which I
think is just really kind of astupid way to think.
Personally, I think like wrongis wrong, right is right,
doesn't matter who's doing it,right, I don't know.
Novel concept, right, anyway.
(02:10):
So I was explaining to thisclient about that.
I said well, you know, goodtrainers know how to pick up on
what's most important.
Why are they critiquing anexercise?
Number one of course everybodyshould learn how to do it safely
(02:33):
.
Nobody wants to get hurt whileexercising, while strength
training, any kind of exercise.
So you really need to know howto do it the correct way so you
don't hurt yourself.
Having said that, there are alot of correct ways, so a good
trainer is able to determine.
(02:54):
You know, number one.
There really is kind of like Isaid about good and bad actions.
There really is correct formthat won't hurt you and form
that will correct form thatwon't hurt you and form that
will.
So like there's a lot of thingswe let go, but when it comes to
doing it correctly for injuries, there's really like blatant
(03:15):
things people do where they'regoing to get hurt.
I mean, they're just thingsthat people do where they're
going to get hurt.
Like if they're using a lot ofmomentum and they're kind of
throwing the weights around,that's not good.
They're probably going to hurttheir back.
If they're really shorteningthe range of motion so they can
use heavier loads, then they'renot strengthening the entire
(03:39):
joint and they could end up hurt.
If they're shortening the rangeof motion because that's all
their range of motion can do,then that's not a problem.
But that's where a good trainercomes in and goes.
You know, I don't want to screwwith this person per se.
Like we don't have to try tomake things perfect.
There's no such thing asperfect form.
(04:00):
You know, I don't know if younoticed, but for the past couple
of weeks I've been catchingmyself.
Because you know, I don't knowif you noticed, but for the past
couple of weeks I've beencatching myself because, you
know, for the longest time let'sdo it perfectly, and I think
that's like me, the trainer andother trainers like trying to
overcorrect to just make surethey do it good enough.
And that's really what we mean.
Is good enough, right?
(04:21):
And somebody might hear thatand go good enough, good
enough's bad.
No, good enough isn't bad.
Like we say it together all thetime, so it kind of gets that
reputation.
But if you take the two wordsand separate them, good is good
and enough means you made itgood.
So no, we want good form.
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There are some things people arejust going to have their own
tendencies on.
Like, maybe they turn theirwrist a little bit Okay, that's
not awful.
Maybe when they do curls thatyou can see people online doing
curls different ways.
Maybe they're doing it withwhat we call a flat wrist Okay,
they're not hurting themselves.
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They're still doing elbowflexion.
So they're still technicallydoing a curl.
They're not going to get hurtdoing that.
Maybe they do it morestructured, like supination,
like we teach people to dooftentimes Okay, that's great
too.
Maybe they're doing hammer gripAll three are fine, I mean.
(05:25):
So everybody has their ownlittle idiosyncrasies of how
they do things.
When we train people, when weteach them how to do an exercise
the first time, we show themthe way it's going to be done.
And yeah, people should do itcorrectly in the form of range
of motion, meaning the bestrange of motion they can do, a
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good tempo.
There's not a perfect numberattached to tempo, by the way.
Tempo is kind of different foreverybody.
Are you going at a pretty quickmanner but you're not throwing
the weights?
That's a good tempo.
Are you gripping it to whereyou're going to hold on?
Do you have to maybe do alittle bit of a funky grip on
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your dumbbells so you don't dropthe weights?
Okay, like we don't need toscrew with people and you know,
as a trainer, I've been doingthis a really, really long time.
So like I know not to behypercritical on people because
they have their ways of doingthings.
So people will say to me hey,rob, when you're at a gym, do
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you like, does it drive you nutswhat people do?
And I'm like, no, I mean notreally.
I mean honestly not at allanymore.
I guess earlier on I'd be likeshaking my head, but no, I was
never one of those guys thatjust walked up to people and
corrected their form.
Number one it's a good way toget punched in the face.
Number two they don't know whoyou are and you're just kind of
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being an asshole, like there'sno reason for it.
I mean, if I saw maybe somelike preteens in the gym and
they're going to do somethingthat's going to hurt themselves,
you know, I might try, in afriendly grandpa kind of way,
like show them.
This rarely happens, by the way.
I think it's happened once ortwice, which is why this came
into my memory and you know.
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But other than that, no, even ifthey're high school kids, man,
it's like you're not going tocome across as anything but
being critical, like peopledon't see it as you trying to
help.
So even in a situation likethat, I'm not going to say
anything.
I'm certainly not going to sayanything to somebody that's kind
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of doing it correct, but notquote perfect, which there is no
such thing.
No, I mean, people have theirown way of doing things and as
long as it works for them, itworks for them.
So you know I wrapped up theconversation.
It's always a good conversationwith this particular client.
You know we get into all kindsof different stuff.
(07:58):
All of it good.
And yeah, I said you know thatsuper strict trainer that like
only sees things one way.
And I'm strict, like I'm, Ithink, oftentimes the epitome of
tough love, which is a you know, a conversation we had this
morning too, you know, yeah, butI'm also like well aware that.
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But I'm also like well awarethat certain people are going to
thrive if they do things acertain way.
So I'm not going to mess withtheir rhythm per se.
If they're not getting hurt andthey're doing something through
full range of motion andthey're not throwing it, then it
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is a win.
So I have my way of doingthings.
Ellen has her way of doingthings.
Like, everybody has a form thatworks really good for them.
A good trainer is able toidentify that All right.
(09:00):
So now that I like did a nineminute introduction on what the
meat and potatoes of thispodcast is about to have your
attention hopefully.
So form really is doing theexercise right, making sure that
you're getting the benefitsfrom the exercise and not
getting hurt.
So lately I guess it's been thepast week, maybe the past two
weeks there's been, you know,government officials or
(09:21):
politicians, or whatever youcall them, in all different like
wakes, like not just like themain one, but I'm going to
mostly talk about the main one.
But the main one has been thechallenge to do.
What was it?
Fifty pull ups and 100 push upsin under 10 minutes, all right.
(09:41):
And it showed these two highranking officials One.
I guess they're bothpoliticians, I don't know,
they're both in Washington.
Whatever, I mean, they'redefinitely political, right.
I mean, if you know what I'mtalking, I mean you don't get
cabinet positions, like, even ifyou never like were elected
(10:01):
into things, you're still apolitician.
That's why you are put in thesedifferent roles.
You can correct me and say, oh,that's not true, so-and-so, you
know, graduated with this degreeand they just felt like he was
the best person fortransportation or whatever.
Okay, that might happen, butfor the most part, these people
we see all the time on CNN orFox or whatever floats your boat
(10:23):
, are politicians, right?
So that's what these two guysare.
I'm not going to say theirnames, just so I can sort of
stay out of the fray.
And, by the way, I'm not a hugefan of any politicians or
political group.
There are a few I knowpersonally that I really like,
but I'm not attached here, sounderstand if this doesn't
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matter what side of the aislethese two guys would come from,
I'd be saying the same thing.
So they've been doing this pullup, push up challenge thing and
their form is abysmal.
I mean, it's a freaking joke.
When I saw it I was like, oh myGod, I mean and I've seen
really bad form before by peoplelike that are professional
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athletes that you think thatthey should be doing better.
I think they should be doingbetter.
I don't remember who it was.
It was about 10 years ago.
I don't want to slander hisname, but hell, he's never going
to hear this.
So whatever, and I actually kindof like the guy as far as what
I know, but it's RG3, thequarterback who is with the
commanders, and then he became abroadcaster very entertaining
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guy, by the way, but and I thinkit was him I'm not a hundred
percent sure, but I think it washim and God bless him for
working out, you know but theywere shown his pull-ups in the
gym and even him like an eliteathlete.
I was looking at those pull-upsand going, dude, you might be
saying you just did 20, but youdid about three, I mean three
full pull-ups.
You'd have to add them all upand come up with three.
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Like none of them were over thebar, none of them were all the
way down, and so this is aprofessional athlete.
It doesn't mean he's going tobe great at pull-ups.
I get all that, but I mean thisis a guy that you think and he
probably would have been reallygood at them.
And, by the way, you don't haveto do 20 to be good at them.
I mean, most people I knowcan't even do one right.
So if you can do a pull-up, Imean that's a pretty good sign.
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If you're getting multipledigit pull-ups, if you're in the
over 10 category, I promise youyou're really fit, so you don't
have to do 20.
He probably I'm pretty sure,based on his physique and what I
know if he would have sloweddown, went all the way up, all
the way down, he would have got10 or more.
So that would have beenimpressive in itself.
But in the world of socialmedia and trying to shock people
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, you know people have to domore and more.
So, anyway, these two guys werelike throwing up their pull-ups,
and I mean one of them, I don'teven remember which one was
doing which One of them was kindof going all the way up but he
was only going halfway down.
Like it was like a joke.
I mean, it's kind of like whenI've seen people do some
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pull-ups here and I'll go holdon no, no, no, no, no, no.
And so that's where the trainercomes out and says no, no, no.
We have to learn how to do thisright, because pretty much the
people I've had doing pull-upswere preparing for a max fit
games of sorts, like one of them.
So if they didn't go all theway down it wasn't going to
count and we would no rep them.
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It's called.
So I didn't want that to happen.
I didn't want that to happen tothem, I didn't want it to
happen to somebody I trained.
I wanted to make sure my guys,gals, were prepared.
So in that case again, it's notbeing a hard ass, it's saying
hey, man, that's not going tocount.
So I don't care if you just dotwo, we're going to do them
correctly.
So you correct them right.
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So I've seen this like with myclients, but I'm like they're
learning how to exercise andthese guys are, like you know,
trying to act like they're thesefit alpha guys who do this all
the time and they're trying toset this example for people.
I'm like, okay, well, if you'regoing to do that, you better
learn how to do a freaking pullup, or you better have your,
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like your editors or your videosgo.
Hey, captain, we might want toNot post this right, because
that's all they're getting is,you know, hammered, and they
should.
They're not doing them right.
So you're sending this messageof just get out there and throw
up some garbage pull-ups and youcould be an alpha dude or a gal
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like us, you know, but they'renot doing them right.
And then the other guy was doingthe opposite, like I think he
was stretching his arms out allthe way, but he wasn't even
going halfway up.
And I'm like, are you serious?
And then this guy, the one thatwasn't going even remotely far
off the ground then got aspotter.
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And that was even more comicalbecause the spotter I mean where
do they find these people Likethere are?
You would think there are somany people in Washington or
wherever that are NSCA, nationalStrength and Conditioning
Association, certified strengthand conditioning coaches that I
know the military uses.
If they would have just calledtheir best at West Point or
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Annapolis, the Naval Academy,and said hey guys, can you send
over our best to demonstrate allthis?
They would have had it in aheartbeat.
That would have been the thingto do, because those dudes know
what they're doing.
But they got this guy that wasspotting him.
I'm like he's going to wrenchhis back.
And he had the other guy in abear hug.
He wasn't even positioned inhim right and together they
couldn't get the guy's chin overthe bar.
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I mean it was a comedy scene.
But I think what's even funnieris the fact they posted this.
It was a comedy scene, but Ithink what's even funnier is the
fact they posted this.
And then they get to the pushups.
I mean pull-ups, I get,pull-ups are hard.
I've said before I think it'sone of the hardest exercise is
you can ever do is a pull-up.
I mean it is hard to do, one isgreat.
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So you know that's something Itry to keep in my repertoire
because I think they're soimportant.
They're hard.
So I often dread them, but I dothem because they're hard.
So I get that.
But pushups, come on, guys.
I don't even know what it was.
Well, I know what it was.
You get two egomaniac alphamales that are clearly insecure
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and you get them next to eachother staring at each other,
because that's what they weredoing.
They'd look at the other oneand see what they're doing.
It was like a race.
So one of my clients who I loveI know his tendency, so I was
telling him.
I said, hey, going into thesemax fit games, when you get to
the pushups or really anywhereany of the three exercises we do
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, I said stay in your bubble,because I know him, because I
know he's going to look around,he's going to see what other
people are doing and maybesomebody is getting away with
something that they shouldn't do, like these two clowns were.
Sorry, these two guys wereGetting away with something they
shouldn't do and you're goingto do it and then you're going
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to get no rep.
I don't want that to happen.
Stay in your bubble.
So that's what they were doing.
I saw them peek over.
They'd race.
So now they were doing what Icall bro pushups, which is
basically you're laying on theground and you maybe move your
chest off the floor two inchestops.
That's what they were doing andthey're looking at each other
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and they're banging out like Idon't know, 10, 20 at a time and
I'm like no rep, no rep, no rep, no rep, like not a single rep
completed.
Could they?
I'm pretty sure both these guyscould have done, you know, 10
pushups or maybe more, in goodform.
Yeah, pull-ups, I don't know.
Honestly, based on what I saw,maybe one of them could have
cranked out one or two pull-upsfull.
I've seen him do other thingsbefore.
Maybe I've never seen him usegood form with anything he's
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done, but maybe he could.
The other guy that wasbasically being spotted and
bear-hugged by somebody, I don'tthink he could have done a full
chin-over-bar pull-up.
I don't think he could have.
But you know, like I said,that's hard and I'm sure he
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could get there.
He's still young I mean, one ofthem is younger than me, the
other one's older than me butit's like he can get there if he
let his ego go away and getsome coaching.
You know who knows if he wouldor not.
But push-ups, I mean they couldprobably do 10 or so, which is
fine, all right.
So basically, the message Iwant to leave you with is that
we need to learn to do thingsright.
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Man, I am all about gettingpeople going.
My new book coming out.
It's at the publisher.
They named it or helped me nameit and we voted on it.
It's good.
It's at the publisher I'vealready.
They named it or helped me nameit and we voted on it.
It's good.
They're doing the artwork rightnow.
I mean, I'm I'm proud of it.
I really am.
Like my other two books, I'mhappy I did and I'm proud of
them, but this one I'm probablythe most proud of and, um, I
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don't know, I feel like I putthe most work into it and uh, I
uh, excuse me, micromanaged thehell out of it, meaning that I
almost didn't send it in, whichmeans that there's some anxiety
involved.
So that means, hopefully, that,well, you know what I mean.
I wanted to do well, but that'snot the point, you know.
The point is that I put outsomething I really believe in,
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but it's all about gettingpeople moving and exercising and
what the solution is.
But it's all about gettingpeople moving and exercising and
what the solution is.
So I want that and the solutionis proper coaching and training
.
Like people need to learn how todo this stuff.
I mean, if they're trying topush the Presidential Council of
Physical Fitness, becausethat's been in the news a lot.
Great, I would love to see itand I would love the school
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systems to implement it, there'sno question.
But we have to learn how to dothings right.
And, by the way, this alphapush-up pull-up thing I don't
think is going to be the way toget the country healthier.
I mean, what the country needsto do is they need to move, they
need to go to the gym, theyneed to go out and walk.
They don't necessarily need tobe banging out pull-ups by any
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means.
Great if you can do them, greatif you like to do them.
I like to do them.
I did some this morning.
I like them.
Do we need them to be healthy?
No, so what we need is peopledoing physical activity.
So if you want to put people outthere that are hopefully going
to encourage people to get fit,please, by all means.
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If this was a I don't even knowif this is a government funded
thing, I have no idea Could justbe these two guys being alpha
males trying to, like, get abunch of clicks on social media.
I don't know, I just know it'sall the rage right now.
But like, if it's a governmentthing, great, but get the right
people involved, man.
You don't need to getpoliticians pushing the fitness
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thing on people.
Go get fitness experts that areout there that can help you do
what you're trying to get across, and you may find out that
they're not going to be havingpeople doing pull-up, push-up in
10-minute challenge, right?
They're going to maybeencourage the American College
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of Sports Medicine and theAmerican Heart Association's
recommendation of 150 minutes ofcardio per week, or maybe the
9,000 steps recommendation withtwo days of strength training,
something like that.
That's very doable for thegreatest amount of people,
because I do believe that whatis good for the bee is good for
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the hive and what's good for thehive is good for the bee.
I absolutely believe we aregoing to be a healthier country
if everybody did it 100%.
I agree on that.
We have to get people off thecouch and into exercise routines
, and doing these little circusacts, these little dog and pony
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acts, aren't the way to do it.
So we got to be better.
I hope you loved my little ranthere.
Well, if you don't, you don't,but I'm still going to do it
anyway.
All right, because that'swhat's most important.
We got to talk about what we'repassionate about.
Like I said, I don't getinvolved in political things
online, Like there's just nopoint.
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I mean, next year, it's aforgotten story.
Next administration, it's aforgotten story.
You know, that's how I view it.
I mean, do I get involved whereI can?
When I can, I vote and I do thebest I can to be a good person.
Other than that, I don't getinvolved.
When it comes to fitness, I'mgoing to get involved.
All right, don't care what sideof the aisle you're on, I'm
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going to get involved.
When it comes to fitness, it'slife and death.
It's very important to me and Iwant everybody to understand
that.
We can all do it.
We can all get better, and theway to get better is through
proper role models and finding away to motivate ourselves.
Thank you for listening totoday's program.
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Welcome to there is a Method to the Madness.
My name is Rob Maxwell and I'man exercise physiologist and
personal trainer.
I am the owner of Maxwell'sFitness Programs and I've been
in business since 1994.
The purpose of this podcast isto get to the real deal of what
really works and, mostimportantly, why things work.
(00:21):
Hence the name there is amethod to the madness.
Before I get to today's show, Iwant to thank Jonathan and Lynn
Gildan of the Gildan Group atRealty Pros.
They are committed to providingthe highest level of customer
service in home sales.
Why don't you give them a shoutand figure out what your home
is worth?
386-451-2412.
(00:44):
What's happening?
Everybody out there in thefitness world?
It's Rob here and we're goingto talk about some health and
fitness issues.
I think this is going to be areally good one.
It is a subject matter I'mpassionate about and it's like
everything comes together thismorning where I'm like you know
(01:07):
what?
This is what we need to talkabout a little bit.
So first off, let me say like Iwas having a great discussion
with a client this morning andwe were talking about tough love
and stuff like that and somehowwe ventured into like what
(01:27):
makes a trainer correct form,and like what makes a trainer
let certain things go.
So we started talking aboutthat.
So that's kind of like perfectfor what I'm going to talk about
today day.
The second part, though, of thisis that you know it's probably
going to get some people all upin arms, because everybody makes
(01:48):
things political, and if it'syour guy I'm talking about, then
you know, whatever side of theaisle you're on, then it's like
oh, you know, things go in oneear and out the other, which I
think is just really kind of astupid way to think.
Personally, I think like wrongis wrong, right is right,
doesn't matter who's doing it,right, I don't know.
Novel concept, right, anyway.
(02:10):
So I was explaining to thisclient about that.
I said well, you know, goodtrainers know how to pick up on
what's most important.
Why are they critiquing anexercise?
Number one of course everybodyshould learn how to do it safely
(02:33):
.
Nobody wants to get hurt whileexercising, while strength
training, any kind of exercise.
So you really need to know howto do it the correct way so you
don't hurt yourself.
Having said that, there are alot of correct ways, so a good
trainer is able to determine.
(02:54):
You know, number one.
There really is kind of like Isaid about good and bad actions.
There really is correct formthat won't hurt you and form
that will correct form thatwon't hurt you and form that
will.
So like there's a lot of thingswe let go, but when it comes to
doing it correctly for injuries, there's really like blatant
(03:15):
things people do where they'regoing to get hurt.
I mean, they're just thingsthat people do where they're
going to get hurt.
Like if they're using a lot ofmomentum and they're kind of
throwing the weights around,that's not good.
They're probably going to hurttheir back.
If they're really shorteningthe range of motion so they can
use heavier loads, then they'renot strengthening the entire
(03:39):
joint and they could end up hurt.
If they're shortening the rangeof motion because that's all
their range of motion can do,then that's not a problem.
But that's where a good trainercomes in and goes.
You know, I don't want to screwwith this person per se.
Like we don't have to try tomake things perfect.
There's no such thing asperfect form.
(04:00):
You know, I don't know if younoticed, but for the past couple
of weeks I've been catchingmyself.
Because you know, I don't knowif you noticed, but for the past
couple of weeks I've beencatching myself because, you
know, for the longest time let'sdo it perfectly, and I think
that's like me, the trainer andother trainers like trying to
overcorrect to just make surethey do it good enough.
And that's really what we mean.
Is good enough, right?
(04:21):
And somebody might hear thatand go good enough, good
enough's bad.
No, good enough isn't bad.
Like we say it together all thetime, so it kind of gets that
reputation.
But if you take the two wordsand separate them, good is good
and enough means you made itgood.
So no, we want good form.
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There are some things people arejust going to have their own
tendencies on.
Like, maybe they turn theirwrist a little bit Okay, that's
not awful.
Maybe when they do curls thatyou can see people online doing
curls different ways.
Maybe they're doing it withwhat we call a flat wrist Okay,
they're not hurting themselves.
(05:04):
They're still doing elbowflexion.
So they're still technicallydoing a curl.
They're not going to get hurtdoing that.
Maybe they do it morestructured, like supination,
like we teach people to dooftentimes Okay, that's great
too.
Maybe they're doing hammer gripAll three are fine, I mean.
(05:25):
So everybody has their ownlittle idiosyncrasies of how
they do things.
When we train people, when weteach them how to do an exercise
the first time, we show themthe way it's going to be done.
And yeah, people should do itcorrectly in the form of range
of motion, meaning the bestrange of motion they can do, a
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good tempo.
There's not a perfect numberattached to tempo, by the way.
Tempo is kind of different foreverybody.
Are you going at a pretty quickmanner but you're not throwing
the weights?
That's a good tempo.
Are you gripping it to whereyou're going to hold on?
Do you have to maybe do alittle bit of a funky grip on
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your dumbbells so you don't dropthe weights?
Okay, like we don't need toscrew with people and you know,
as a trainer, I've been doingthis a really, really long time.
So like I know not to behypercritical on people because
they have their ways of doingthings.
So people will say to me hey,rob, when you're at a gym, do
(06:32):
you like, does it drive you nutswhat people do?
And I'm like, no, I mean notreally.
I mean honestly not at allanymore.
I guess earlier on I'd be likeshaking my head, but no, I was
never one of those guys thatjust walked up to people and
corrected their form.
Number one it's a good way toget punched in the face.
Number two they don't know whoyou are and you're just kind of
(06:55):
being an asshole, like there'sno reason for it.
I mean, if I saw maybe somelike preteens in the gym and
they're going to do somethingthat's going to hurt themselves,
you know, I might try, in afriendly grandpa kind of way,
like show them.
This rarely happens, by the way.
I think it's happened once ortwice, which is why this came
into my memory and you know.
(07:16):
But other than that, no, even ifthey're high school kids, man,
it's like you're not going tocome across as anything but
being critical, like peopledon't see it as you trying to
help.
So even in a situation likethat, I'm not going to say
anything.
I'm certainly not going to sayanything to somebody that's kind
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of doing it correct, but notquote perfect, which there is no
such thing.
No, I mean, people have theirown way of doing things and as
long as it works for them, itworks for them.
So you know I wrapped up theconversation.
It's always a good conversationwith this particular client.
You know we get into all kindsof different stuff.
(07:58):
All of it good.
And yeah, I said you know thatsuper strict trainer that like
only sees things one way.
And I'm strict, like I'm, Ithink, oftentimes the epitome of
tough love, which is a you know, a conversation we had this
morning too, you know, yeah, butI'm also like well aware that.
(08:19):
But I'm also like well awarethat certain people are going to
thrive if they do things acertain way.
So I'm not going to mess withtheir rhythm per se.
If they're not getting hurt andthey're doing something through
full range of motion andthey're not throwing it, then it
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is a win.
So I have my way of doingthings.
Ellen has her way of doingthings.
Like, everybody has a form thatworks really good for them.
A good trainer is able toidentify that All right.
(09:00):
So now that I like did a nineminute introduction on what the
meat and potatoes of thispodcast is about to have your
attention hopefully.
So form really is doing theexercise right, making sure that
you're getting the benefitsfrom the exercise and not
getting hurt.
So lately I guess it's been thepast week, maybe the past two
weeks there's been, you know,government officials or
(09:21):
politicians, or whatever youcall them, in all different like
wakes, like not just like themain one, but I'm going to
mostly talk about the main one.
But the main one has been thechallenge to do.
What was it?
Fifty pull ups and 100 push upsin under 10 minutes, all right.
(09:41):
And it showed these two highranking officials One.
I guess they're bothpoliticians, I don't know,
they're both in Washington.
Whatever, I mean, they'redefinitely political, right.
I mean, if you know what I'mtalking, I mean you don't get
cabinet positions, like, even ifyou never like were elected
(10:01):
into things, you're still apolitician.
That's why you are put in thesedifferent roles.
You can correct me and say, oh,that's not true, so-and-so, you
know, graduated with this degreeand they just felt like he was
the best person fortransportation or whatever.
Okay, that might happen, butfor the most part, these people
we see all the time on CNN orFox or whatever floats your boat
(10:23):
, are politicians, right?
So that's what these two guysare.
I'm not going to say theirnames, just so I can sort of
stay out of the fray.
And, by the way, I'm not a hugefan of any politicians or
political group.
There are a few I knowpersonally that I really like,
but I'm not attached here, sounderstand if this doesn't
(10:45):
matter what side of the aislethese two guys would come from,
I'd be saying the same thing.
So they've been doing this pullup, push up challenge thing and
their form is abysmal.
I mean, it's a freaking joke.
When I saw it I was like, oh myGod, I mean and I've seen
really bad form before by peoplelike that are professional
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athletes that you think thatthey should be doing better.
I think they should be doingbetter.
I don't remember who it was.
It was about 10 years ago.
I don't want to slander hisname, but hell, he's never going
to hear this.
So whatever, and I actually kindof like the guy as far as what
I know, but it's RG3, thequarterback who is with the
commanders, and then he became abroadcaster very entertaining
(11:30):
guy, by the way, but and I thinkit was him I'm not a hundred
percent sure, but I think it washim and God bless him for
working out, you know but theywere shown his pull-ups in the
gym and even him like an eliteathlete.
I was looking at those pull-upsand going, dude, you might be
saying you just did 20, but youdid about three, I mean three
full pull-ups.
You'd have to add them all upand come up with three.
(11:52):
Like none of them were over thebar, none of them were all the
way down, and so this is aprofessional athlete.
It doesn't mean he's going tobe great at pull-ups.
I get all that, but I mean thisis a guy that you think and he
probably would have been reallygood at them.
And, by the way, you don't haveto do 20 to be good at them.
I mean, most people I knowcan't even do one right.
So if you can do a pull-up, Imean that's a pretty good sign.
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If you're getting multipledigit pull-ups, if you're in the
over 10 category, I promise youyou're really fit, so you don't
have to do 20.
He probably I'm pretty sure,based on his physique and what I
know if he would have sloweddown, went all the way up, all
the way down, he would have got10 or more.
So that would have beenimpressive in itself.
But in the world of socialmedia and trying to shock people
(12:36):
, you know people have to domore and more.
So, anyway, these two guys werelike throwing up their pull-ups,
and I mean one of them, I don'teven remember which one was
doing which One of them was kindof going all the way up but he
was only going halfway down.
Like it was like a joke.
I mean, it's kind of like whenI've seen people do some
(12:58):
pull-ups here and I'll go holdon no, no, no, no, no, no.
And so that's where the trainercomes out and says no, no, no.
We have to learn how to do thisright, because pretty much the
people I've had doing pull-upswere preparing for a max fit
games of sorts, like one of them.
So if they didn't go all theway down it wasn't going to
count and we would no rep them.
(13:19):
It's called.
So I didn't want that to happen.
I didn't want that to happen tothem, I didn't want it to
happen to somebody I trained.
I wanted to make sure my guys,gals, were prepared.
So in that case again, it's notbeing a hard ass, it's saying
hey, man, that's not going tocount.
So I don't care if you just dotwo, we're going to do them
correctly.
So you correct them right.
(13:40):
So I've seen this like with myclients, but I'm like they're
learning how to exercise andthese guys are, like you know,
trying to act like they're thesefit alpha guys who do this all
the time and they're trying toset this example for people.
I'm like, okay, well, if you'regoing to do that, you better
learn how to do a freaking pullup, or you better have your,
(14:03):
like your editors or your videosgo.
Hey, captain, we might want toNot post this right, because
that's all they're getting is,you know, hammered, and they
should.
They're not doing them right.
So you're sending this messageof just get out there and throw
up some garbage pull-ups and youcould be an alpha dude or a gal
(14:24):
like us, you know, but they'renot doing them right.
And then the other guy was doingthe opposite, like I think he
was stretching his arms out allthe way, but he wasn't even
going halfway up.
And I'm like, are you serious?
And then this guy, the one thatwasn't going even remotely far
off the ground then got aspotter.
(14:44):
And that was even more comicalbecause the spotter I mean where
do they find these people Likethere are?
You would think there are somany people in Washington or
wherever that are NSCA, nationalStrength and Conditioning
Association, certified strengthand conditioning coaches that I
know the military uses.
If they would have just calledtheir best at West Point or
(15:06):
Annapolis, the Naval Academy,and said hey guys, can you send
over our best to demonstrate allthis?
They would have had it in aheartbeat.
That would have been the thingto do, because those dudes know
what they're doing.
But they got this guy that wasspotting him.
I'm like he's going to wrenchhis back.
And he had the other guy in abear hug.
He wasn't even positioned inhim right and together they
couldn't get the guy's chin overthe bar.
(15:28):
I mean it was a comedy scene.
But I think what's even funnieris the fact they posted this.
It was a comedy scene, but Ithink what's even funnier is the
fact they posted this.
And then they get to the pushups.
I mean pull-ups, I get,pull-ups are hard.
I've said before I think it'sone of the hardest exercise is
you can ever do is a pull-up.
I mean it is hard to do, one isgreat.
(15:50):
So you know that's something Itry to keep in my repertoire
because I think they're soimportant.
They're hard.
So I often dread them, but I dothem because they're hard.
So I get that.
But pushups, come on, guys.
I don't even know what it was.
Well, I know what it was.
You get two egomaniac alphamales that are clearly insecure
(16:10):
and you get them next to eachother staring at each other,
because that's what they weredoing.
They'd look at the other oneand see what they're doing.
It was like a race.
So one of my clients who I loveI know his tendency, so I was
telling him.
I said, hey, going into thesemax fit games, when you get to
the pushups or really anywhereany of the three exercises we do
(16:31):
, I said stay in your bubble,because I know him, because I
know he's going to look around,he's going to see what other
people are doing and maybesomebody is getting away with
something that they shouldn't do, like these two clowns were.
Sorry, these two guys wereGetting away with something they
shouldn't do and you're goingto do it and then you're going
(16:54):
to get no rep.
I don't want that to happen.
Stay in your bubble.
So that's what they were doing.
I saw them peek over.
They'd race.
So now they were doing what Icall bro pushups, which is
basically you're laying on theground and you maybe move your
chest off the floor two inchestops.
That's what they were doing andthey're looking at each other
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and they're banging out like Idon't know, 10, 20 at a time and
I'm like no rep, no rep, no rep, no rep, like not a single rep
completed.
Could they?
I'm pretty sure both these guyscould have done, you know, 10
pushups or maybe more, in goodform.
Yeah, pull-ups, I don't know.
Honestly, based on what I saw,maybe one of them could have
cranked out one or two pull-upsfull.
I've seen him do other thingsbefore.
Maybe I've never seen him usegood form with anything he's
(17:41):
done, but maybe he could.
The other guy that wasbasically being spotted and
bear-hugged by somebody, I don'tthink he could have done a full
chin-over-bar pull-up.
I don't think he could have.
But you know, like I said,that's hard and I'm sure he
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could get there.
He's still young I mean, one ofthem is younger than me, the
other one's older than me butit's like he can get there if he
let his ego go away and getsome coaching.
You know who knows if he wouldor not.
But push-ups, I mean they couldprobably do 10 or so, which is
fine, all right.
So basically, the message Iwant to leave you with is that
we need to learn to do thingsright.
(18:23):
Man, I am all about gettingpeople going.
My new book coming out.
It's at the publisher.
They named it or helped me nameit and we voted on it.
It's good.
It's at the publisher I'vealready.
They named it or helped me nameit and we voted on it.
It's good.
They're doing the artwork rightnow.
I mean, I'm I'm proud of it.
I really am.
Like my other two books, I'mhappy I did and I'm proud of
them, but this one I'm probablythe most proud of and, um, I
(18:46):
don't know, I feel like I putthe most work into it and uh, I
uh, excuse me, micromanaged thehell out of it, meaning that I
almost didn't send it in, whichmeans that there's some anxiety
involved.
So that means, hopefully, that,well, you know what I mean.
I wanted to do well, but that'snot the point, you know.
The point is that I put outsomething I really believe in,
(19:09):
but it's all about gettingpeople moving and exercising and
what the solution is.
But it's all about gettingpeople moving and exercising and
what the solution is.
So I want that and the solutionis proper coaching and training
.
Like people need to learn how todo this stuff.
I mean, if they're trying topush the Presidential Council of
Physical Fitness, becausethat's been in the news a lot.
Great, I would love to see itand I would love the school
(19:31):
systems to implement it, there'sno question.
But we have to learn how to dothings right.
And, by the way, this alphapush-up pull-up thing I don't
think is going to be the way toget the country healthier.
I mean, what the country needsto do is they need to move, they
need to go to the gym, theyneed to go out and walk.
They don't necessarily need tobe banging out pull-ups by any
(19:54):
means.
Great if you can do them, greatif you like to do them.
I like to do them.
I did some this morning.
I like them.
Do we need them to be healthy?
No, so what we need is peopledoing physical activity.
So if you want to put people outthere that are hopefully going
to encourage people to get fit,please, by all means.
(20:15):
If this was a I don't even knowif this is a government funded
thing, I have no idea Could justbe these two guys being alpha
males trying to, like, get abunch of clicks on social media.
I don't know, I just know it'sall the rage right now.
But like, if it's a governmentthing, great, but get the right
people involved, man.
You don't need to getpoliticians pushing the fitness
(20:37):
thing on people.
Go get fitness experts that areout there that can help you do
what you're trying to get across, and you may find out that
they're not going to be havingpeople doing pull-up, push-up in
10-minute challenge, right?
They're going to maybeencourage the American College
(20:58):
of Sports Medicine and theAmerican Heart Association's
recommendation of 150 minutes ofcardio per week, or maybe the
9,000 steps recommendation withtwo days of strength training,
something like that.
That's very doable for thegreatest amount of people,
because I do believe that whatis good for the bee is good for
(21:21):
the hive and what's good for thehive is good for the bee.
I absolutely believe we aregoing to be a healthier country
if everybody did it 100%.
I agree on that.
We have to get people off thecouch and into exercise routines
, and doing these little circusacts, these little dog and pony
(21:41):
acts, aren't the way to do it.
So we got to be better.
I hope you loved my little ranthere.
Well, if you don't, you don't,but I'm still going to do it
anyway.
All right, because that'swhat's most important.
We got to talk about what we'repassionate about.
Like I said, I don't getinvolved in political things
online, Like there's just nopoint.
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I mean, next year, it's aforgotten story.
Next administration, it's aforgotten story.
You know, that's how I view it.
I mean, do I get involved whereI can?
When I can, I vote and I do thebest I can to be a good person.
Other than that, I don't getinvolved.
When it comes to fitness, I'mgoing to get involved.
All right, don't care what sideof the aisle you're on, I'm
(22:23):
going to get involved.
When it comes to fitness, it'slife and death.
It's very important to me and Iwant everybody to understand
that.
We can all do it.
We can all get better, and theway to get better is through
proper role models and finding away to motivate ourselves.
Thank you for listening totoday's program.
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