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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome to There is a Method to the Magnets.
My name is Rob Maxwell, and I'man exercise physiologist and
personal trainer.
I am the owner of Maxwell'sFitness Program, and I've been
in business since 1994.
The purpose of this podcast isto get to the real deal of what
really worked and mostimportantly why things worked.
Hence the name, there is amethod to the magnetic.
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There is something in a name.
Did you know that?
When I was first starting mybusiness, I was told that number
one, make sure the title of yourbusiness has your name in it.
And this was from, you know,some research people at the
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university talking aboutbusinesses that found that the
businesses, I'm sure the smallbusinesses, you know, I imagine
that's what they're talkingabout, tend to do a little bit
better when it's morepersonalized and has your name
in it.
And then also, what is it yourbusiness does?
So that kind of sounds likecommon sense how to pick your
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name, at least as far as thesecond part of that goes.
So I've always believed thatthere is something in a name.
And I often say that to peoplebecause I want to emphasize the
important part of what I do.
For those that don't know, I ownMaxwell's Fitness Programs.
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That's the name of the business.
And it's been that ever since Istarted out.
And I've been doing this 31years now, basically since 1994,
when I first started takingpaychecks from my own individual
clients.
Naturally, the business hasevolved, but uh that's how long
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I've been doing it as a personaltrainer.
And uh I picked Maxwell'sfitness programs.
Well, like I said, I was toldthat you should use your name in
the business, but I also pickedit because of the programs.
Now, naturally, fitness kind ofgoes without saying, right?
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If you know it's a personaltraining business, then fitness
kind of goes in there.
That's the easiest one to figureout out of all of them.
But the programming I wanted tomake sure was unique because I
think it is unique, or it's atleast unique to me as far as
what I want to do, and as far aswhat I believe in, and as far as
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what I do.
So let me backtrack just for asecond.
And I need to explain that whenI started out as a personal
trainer, it was not like it isnow.
And I'm sure most of youshouldn't make that assumption.
Many of you are old enough toremember going back like 30
years, you know, maybe youdidn't have a trainer, you know,
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maybe that wasn't part of yourlifestyle, but you know what I'm
talking about.
It was very different.
I can think of two trainers thatI knew for sure at that time in
my life in the early 90s thatwere working as personal
trainers.
That's it.
Now I've learned since thatthere were other people in the
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area working as personaltrainers, and I got to know some
of them, and they're friends ofmine back in those days, but I
didn't know them then.
I knew of two guys, and umthat's all I knew.
And at the time, personaltrainers, it it wasn't like this
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everybody has to have one thing,or everybody has one at a gym.
I mean, it wasn't even close tothat.
Like, I don't believe, at leastnot in Central Florida where I
lived, there was personaltraining studios.
For the most part, personaltrainers were doing what I did
early on.
They were meeting their clientsat different gyms that they
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either had memberships at orthey made an arrangement with
the owner and they would traintheir clients there.
The client would pay them, andthey'd be on their way.
So that's kind of what I knewabout personal training.
And when I was training at WorldGym in Daytona Beach around this
time period, I was training formy first bodybuilding show, and
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I can remember these two guyscoming in and they train people,
and people would, you know, theytalk about you know who they are
and what they did.
Because, you know, it's gonna beyou're gonna be curious.
You're gonna see these guyswalking around and they always
have different people with them.
And it was definitely more of aluxury item back then, like it
was more of um what you wouldthink of it at the time, like
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only rich people had personaltrainers type of thing.
And there was one guy, he alwayswaited for his client, and she'd
roll up in her Ferrari.
Um, you know, and if if you livein Daytona, you might even know
who I'm talking about back then.
But she would work out with thisguy, and you know, that's when
we'd start asking questionsabout what they're doing and and
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all this kind of stuff.
And and I got along with both ofthese trainers pretty well back
then.
I mean, I always did actually,but I mean, one of them in
particular, one of them later onwanted me to uh after I got um
my master's degree, he wanted meto be his uh guy on all of his
paperwork because he didn'treally have a lot of
credentials.
Um he didn't have any at thetime.
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And uh that's neither here northere.
But the bottom line is he's anice guy, and I I politely said
no.
Um politefully, politefully,word of the day.
Politely said no, and weremained friends, but I didn't
go into any kind of businesswith him.
But in any event, that's what Iknew about it, that's what they
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did.
So that was way back when, andnow personal trainers are a dime
a dozen, essentially.
I mean, you go into your localYMCA, they're gonna say, Hey, do
you want to get some personaltraining?
And it's so much per half houror hour or whatever.
And they typically work for theYMCA.
If not, they always work for theYMCA.
You know, these different uh boxgyms, so to say, have different
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trainers floating around thateither work for the gym or maybe
they've worked out a um tradeagreement of some kind or
another, but it's very commonnow.
I mean, most people that I workwith now, they'll say, Oh, I had
a trainer a while back.
Um, so it's common.
Now, um, when I got into it, youknow, number one, I've said
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before that I always wanted tomake sure I did it right.
So even though I had a ton ofgym knowledge at the time, in my
early 20s, I did.
I mean, I'd been working outregularly in a gym since my
teenage years, and I uh had alot of personal success with it.
But to me, that was neverenough.
And I went and I wanted to getmy official education in it, so
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I got my master's in exercisephysiology.
So when I started out, I had agood scientific foundation.
I still had a lot to learn.
I still do have a lot to learn,and I love that.
I love learning new things.
But it was time to pick the nameafter I got the degree and all
that good stuff, and I landed onMaxwell's Fitness Programs,
bringing it back to where Istarted this.
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So the program part is hugebecause I always emphasize with
people that I write and helppeople with their programs.
I'm not a gem.
Yes, I have my own studio, andI've had my own location or
studio for many, many years now.
Different locations, a fewdifferent locations now.
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But that's great.
But I don't like people to thinkof it as a gem.
Like Maxwell's isn't a gem.
It just, I know what peoplemean, like I don't think they
mean anything by it, but it isinsulting to me.
Now, when I was at a previouslocation, it was a little more
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common because I was the onlygym in town, so to say, in this
very tiny, I don't want to evensay where because I don't want
to offend anybody, had a lot ofgood memories there, all was
good, great clients andeverything.
But there was that sense of,hey, are you taking new clients
when they'd call?
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And it depends on the season.
But if it was early on, I'd sayyes.
If it was more towards my end ofmy time there, I'd say no,
because I was just flat outbusy.
But in any event, they'd say,because we were driving and we
saw your gym and we reallywanted a place to work out.
And like I would cringe.
I know what they mean, but man,I'm not a gym and I hate to be
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thought of as a gym.
Like I write programs and helppeople follow the programs.
No matter where we did it,that's what I would do.
It's about the programs, not thegym.
So I would always politely say,at least I didn't say
politefully this time.
That's good.
That's good.
My green tea's kicking in alittle bit.
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Um, you know, but I wouldexplain to them what I do and
you know, kind of see if that'sstill what they wanted to do.
And when when people are lookingfor a gym to work out, rarely do
they make for a good personaltraining client.
Like, even if they have themeans, the money, the time to do
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it, and they're like, oh, okay,that just sounds like a more
expensive gym membership.
That sounds good.
They're typically not an idealclient because personal
trainers, at least I can speakfor myself, you want to be able
to help people.
And if you're working withsomebody that's already got
their mind made up of what theywant to do and what they should
do, they're not any fun.
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And I won't work with them.
It's like, look, we're eithergonna, you know, follow my
program or you're gonna have togo on your way.
I used to say to one client allthe time, it'd say, me and
you're driving down the road,and you're either gonna move
over to the passenger seat orI'm gonna have to let you off
the next stop.
And I meant it.
And it would reel her insometimes, and sometimes I'd
have to kind of give her herwalking paper, so to say,
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because it's like I know whatI'm doing, I'm here to help you,
and I can't help you if youthink you already know what you
need.
And if you already know what youneed, why aren't you doing it?
You know, I'm not a conveniencefactor, I don't need to be.
And uh, you know, I've neverreally adhered to the business
philosophy of green is green,because I used to kind of vent
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to a counselor of mine a littlebit and they go, Well, green is
green, you know, you're gettingpaid.
I'm like, ah, dude, that doesn'tdo it for me.
You know, it's like at the endof the day, sure, we need to get
paid, but nah, I do think likeselling out isn't like a great
way to be happy, you know.
So that doesn't do it for me.
I might say that, I might try toadhere to that philosophy, but
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at the end of the day, I'd endup getting pissed off and not
wanting to work with the person.
Because if you know anythingabout me, you know, I'm pretty
hard-headed myself.
So programming has always beenkey.
Um, and I love talking aboutprogramming.
And, you know, programming isfunny because it's complicated,
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but then it's not complicated.
But if you don't sit down and dothe work as a trainer, if you
don't program the fitnessprogram for your client, you are
doing yourself and of course theclient a huge disservice because
there are things you want tofigure out what they need.
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So let's take the strengthtraining component alone.
There are like differentvariables that people need to
understand that good trainersknow, like the back of their
hand.
For example, there's volume.
Volume means the amount ofstrength training a person is
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going to do.
Volume.
Volume can be broken down intohow many days per week the
person is going to exercise, howmany total exercises that
they're going to do, how manyexercises per muscle group that
they're going to do, and howmany sets of the exercise
they're going to do.
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So that's like volume.
And a lot of people only countvolume.
And what's funny is when peopletalk about writing workouts for
people, you see a lot of volumebeing written.
And when I mean a lot, I don't,I mean there are programs that
have a lot of volume, and thenthere are lower volume volume
programs, but I don't mean that.
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What I mean is there's a bigemphasis on volume.
They'll say, do this, this, andthis, but nowhere in there do
they say how hard.
And how hard is the mostimportant variable, bar none.
So there is volume.
Another thing that getsprogrammed in or needs to be
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thought about is repetitions.
And you might think repetitionsis a part of volume, but it's
really not.
Like one set of exercise, forexample, of 20 reps versus one
set of five doesn't really movethe volume stick very much.
Like that's a very kind ofsubjective thing.
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So most good fitnessprofessionals or trainers know
that there's a range ofrepetitions that work, but it
doesn't have to be thought abouttoo much.
And again, good trainers knowthis, and good trainers program
for this.
So, in other words, the bigdifference between repetitions
is more, you know, yeah, there'san upper limit of, say, 30.
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And I don't want to get in theweeds here as far as like this
isn't a podcast about, you know,exactly the amount of reps or
sets or intensity that work.
No, I mean, that's allimportant, and I've done it
before, and I'm sure I'll do itagain.
But this is like trying to teachyou how to program or to teach
you like how good trainersprogram.
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So when it comes to repetitions,though, sure there's a high-end,
mostly because of timeconstraints, but really it's
more about well, can we safelydo higher reps with lower loads
when this person that we don'tknow very well versus training
with lower repetitions, i.e.
heavier loads with this personthat we don't know very well.
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And that's really where thatcomes in.
It's like it's safer to starthigher because you're using less
weight, you can perform the formbetter, you can get to know the
person better.
I was working with actually oneof my trainers yesterday who um
she tends to struggle a littlebit with being able to pick like
loads and reps, you know.
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And I said, Look, I said, I puther on the uh overhead presses
and I set the uh you know thebar to make sure that's the
right level of range of motion.
And I put it on, I can'tremember, it's 70 pounds
actually.
And I said, All right, so giveme six to eight reps.
And after a little bit of astruggle, she gets it moving,
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and I think she did six.
Now, total guesswork on my part,just knowing her a little bit
and kind of saying, okay, ifit's this load, you should be
able to do this much, this manyreps, I should say.
And then I let her rest a littlebit and I said, All right, so
now move this down to, I thinkit was 20.
It was either 20 or 30 pounds.
So it was pretty low load.
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And I said, now do 20.
So then she was able to do 22.
And I said, Isn't that a prettygood guess?
And, you know, she's looking alittle surprised, and I'm really
happy my experiment was workingout very well because I think
sometimes actual doing thingsmakes us learn a little bit
better.
And then I did the same thing onthe arm curl machine.
And uh I said, so you know,repetition is just correlated to
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load.
So if it's a heavier load,you're gonna do less reps.
And I think even the non-trainerout there gets that common
sense-wise.
But there's nothing magic abouteither.
It's more if you have a certainload, there should be sort of
how many reps you're gonna get.
And if a good trainer focuses onthat more than they do other
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things, they would be a bettertrainer because where volume
comes in is that the personactually did a set of the
exercise.
In other words, if they went tofailure or almost failure,
that's a set.
Whether it be seven reps or 22,it doesn't matter.
It still impacts the bodyrecovery-wise for the most part
in the same way, so that it'sconsidered one set.
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So sometimes I think trainerswho still have things to learn
don't focus enough on that andgo, well, you're really worried
about this when this isn't thatimportant of a component.
I mean, for me, I mean, Ibelieve in overload, and that's
a good reason to track and knowhow much weight you're doing and
all that.
But at the same time, it's likeI can go into a gym and put it,
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put the resistance if I'm usingmachines, put the pin on a
certain level and you know,start and then know
approximately how many reps I'mgoing to be able to do and then
try to get the failure.
I mean, I don't think about itthat much.
And like if there's only likereal heavy weights laying
around, I'll go, okay, I'll usethese and I'll do less reps.
If there's a like um, you know,you go to some of these hotels
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and their dumbbell rack onlygoes up to 25.
So for me, there's a lot ofexercises I can use more than 25
pound dumbbells for.
And I'll, but but that's not theend of the world.
I'll just do higher reps.
Like it doesn't matter.
I'll go to failure with higherreps, I'll make this work.
I promise you this, I'd ratherbe able to have the low end of
the weights than the high,because with the low end of the
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weights, you can always make itwork.
With the high end of theweights, you you you can't.
Like, I mean, I don't see aworld where the dumbbells start
at 50.
So that's not going to be aproblem, but hopefully you get
my gist on that.
So programming takes intoaccount these things.
So that's volume.
And then there's intensity.
And intensity needs to befactored out.
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I had this conversation with aclient of mine this morning.
And um, you know, she's a she'sgot a great attitude, you know,
she likes talking fitness andall this stuff.
And I said to her, I said, youknow, remember, the most
important variable with strengthtraining is intensity.
And intensity in strengthtraining is measured by how
close you get to failure.
And almost all research pointsto the fact that you have to get
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the failure or within like oneor two repetitions of it to
start to get stronger.
I mean, if you do submaximal setafter submaximal set after
submaximal set, number one, intechnical terms, it's not even
considered a set.
It's considered a warm-up set.
You're probably not gonna getvery far.
Now, I'm not gonna go, well,you're gonna get nothing out of
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this, like it's a waste of time.
That's not true.
I mean, you're at the gymworking out versus being at the
bar drinking beer, right?
So, no, it's it's a, you know,you're not wasting your time.
I'm not gonna go that far.
But you're not making the mostof your time either, unless you
absolutely hate to do anythingthat feels close to failure.
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Then I get it, you're better tonot, because then at least
you're gonna work out.
But if you can muster it andtell yourself it's good for me
to get the close to failurebecause I want to get stronger,
just keep in mind that's the wayto go.
So good trainers are able tosay, does this person need a
higher volume routine, like moreexercises and um more exercises
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per muscle group and more sets?
That's usually not the case formost people, by the way.
Or does this person need a loweramount of exercises, i.e.,
volume and higher intensity?
That's usually the case for mostpeople.
And a good trainer knows how toprogram that because that's a
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big part of programming.
Now, another part of programmingthat kind of separates the men
from the boys regarding, or thewomen from the girls, doesn't
matter, is how to modifyexercises.
And I think that a big part ofprogramming is understanding
that that I've just what I justtalked about, that there is
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there's volume considerations,exercises, and sets and
exercises per muscle group, andthere's intensity variables like
how close we get to failure.
Then we have to consider therepetition thing as I spoke
about, which kind of getsoverrated, but we also have to
talk about how to modify and howto make it work for everybody.
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And part of programming is doingthat, and that's one of the
things I really, really like todo.
I mean, I've had people in manydifferent circumstances in life.
I had a guy trained for years,he he sadly passed a number of
years ago, but he fell from abuilding and he was partially
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paralyzed.
And um he had his his it was itwas a condition where they kind
of had to straighten and fusesome of his joints together in
order to save it.
I still don't understand whatwent into the surgery.
I just know that like hismuscles in in many areas and his
joints in many areas were kindof like fused out in elongated
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positions, and he had a lot oftrouble moving without going
into spasm and straightening outsome of his limbs.
And uh, you know, he was in awheelchair, and um, I was able
to help him with exercises.
We were able to come up withdifferent things he can do,
whether it be dumbbells from hischair position or being able to
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transfer onto a selectorizedmachine and helping kind of like
tie his grip in with um deadliftstraps so he was able to keep
his hands on because he couldn'tgrip.
He really couldn't form a fist,so to say.
So we'd have to use artificialmeans to kind of like tie his
grip down.
Um, you know, there was I cameup with this thing where I can
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get him on the treadmill and dothe same thing, helping him,
obviously spotting him, buthelping him keep his arm on to
hold on to the treadmill.
And then I was able to help himswing his leg around so he can
get some mobility, mostly to usehis leg muscles.
I mean, I can go on and on, butyou know, I remember hammer
strength equipment was a bigfriend of his because he can do
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things isolaterally because hereally wasn't able to push one
side out and keep the otherside.
Well, he couldn't push bothsides out at the same time.
He kind of had to push one outbecause the other one would go
in the spasm.
So, but anyway, he was able toexercise, and I 100% believe
that that benefited his life.
So I've always enjoyed coming upwith modifications.
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And I think that if you know thebody, if you know the joint
actions, if you know what themuscles are supposed to do, like
if you know each and every oneof your muscles, and I think if
you come to the gym, you knowthat I do, and you know Ellen is
an absolute whiz with themuscles too.
I think that's really criticalbecause then you know how to
modify exercises.
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So, you know, we get the volumedown, we get the intensity down,
and say, well, you know, theyneed to do three different leg
exercises, you know, to getbenefits.
I mean, in most programs, youneed to do some type of quad
extension.
I'm just talking the legs, keepit simple so you understand.
You have to do some kind of quadextension so you can isolate the
quads.
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You got to do some kind ofhamstring curl to isolate the
hamstrings, and then you have todo some kind of squat so you
bring it all together with acompound.
For example, a squat or a legpress or different versions of
squat.
So part of programming isunderstanding this,
understanding like whatexercises need to be done and
how to modify.
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Like I have a guy starting upnow.
I mean, he he's got a lot ofinjuries and he's older, and I'm
and I'm having to do this andgo, well, you know, he's got to
be able to squat, you know, ifwe want to keep him moving
around, he's so what am I gonnado to program in a squat?
You know, could it be a seatbackleg press, meaning push the seat
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back, help him get on there?
You know, he's pretty frail.
And how can I help him be ableto do a form of a squat?
You know, maybe we need to do aform of a TRX.
I mean, I'm saying maybe becauseI've actually already thought
about a lot of this and put ittogether.
I'm still working on it though,because it's going to take a few
workouts before I figure outwhat's really working for him.
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But being able to modifysomebody's program is critical.
And it goes into programmingbecause yes, the muscles do what
the muscles do, and the jointactions do what the joint
actions do.
But every individual isdifferent.
And it doesn't mean thateverybody can do a squat a
certain way.
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So good training and programmingneeds to know how to modify
these things.
So I say all this because I wantyou to understand that when
you're searching out fitnessprograms, you need to understand
that professionals will programit and people who are not
professional will not.
I mean, you know, I used to havea term I taught to the students
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that I used to teach how to bepersonal trainers and also to
new trainer hires, I would have,I'd say, look, what we don't do
is we don't boot camp people.
And I just detest organizationsthat do that.
I think it is such a ripoff topeople.
I think it is such a bad exampleof what fitness professionals
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do, but I call it boot campingpeople.
Now, I'm not saying don't go toboot camps.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that when you see apersonal trainer or you're
you're on a specific program,you know, because some personal
training is done in group, grouppersonal training, that's fine
too.
I mean, but the difference is inthat situation, if you got a
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good trainer, they programmedyour workout.
Your workout is programmed bythem and you.
It's programmed.
It's not like you're showing upand doing what everybody's
doing.
So when you go to a gym and atrainer, and yes, they do this,
too many of them.
They boot camp you, meaning youshow up and they're just kind of
doing the workout of the daythat they are showing everybody,
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or they're just doing something,you know, fast and convenient
for people, for them mostly,because they didn't want to sit
down and try to think about it.
You know, oh, yep, we're 20squats today, you know, then
we're gonna go over here, we'regonna do 20 on the hammer
strength machine, you know, andthen you're gonna do um, you're
gonna do as many pull-ups on theGravitron as you can, and then
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you're gonna take a break, we'regonna do that again.
And it's like that's whatthey're doing all day long with
people.
Like we call that boot campingpeople.
And it doesn't even have to bethey're gonna do that all day
long.
It could just simply mean that,you know, they don't want to
take the time to put together aworkout.
And so they just do real generalthings for people.
They figure, well, you know,they're gonna do a squat and a
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push and pull, which, you know,it's great.
That's a great beginning.
But to program it, you have tosay, okay, but what kind of
squat?
Like I have a lot of clients,and I have a lot of clients that
are all different from eachother.
And I guarantee you, I mean,hopefully everybody does a squat
when they come into the gymalmost every time they work out,
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unless they can't.
But they're all different kindsof squats.
I mean, it depends on theindividual.
I mean, somebody really healthyand young and all that great
stuff can do like multipleversions of squats.
But some people you find theonly squat they can do is a
cable squat, or the only squatthey can do is a TRX squat, or
the only squat they can do is agoblet squat, or the only squat
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they can do is a chair squat ora wall squat or a wall set.
Like the trainer has to thinkabout the modifications of
exercises and what is best forthat individual where they're
going to get the most benefitfrom it.
And once you do that, you find,of course, that it feels great
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to you because you watch peoplewho couldn't do things all of a
sudden be able to do things.
And then maybe they're able tobe able to do different kinds of
modifications.
Or maybe you don't have tomodify it all eventually.
Maybe you can just, hey, insteadof doing half squats, you know,
we're able to do full squats.
Or instead of only being able touse the leg press because you
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can't keep your chest up on asquat.
And so you're kind of trainingthe wrong muscle groups by doing
this, you're now able, becauseyour core has strengthened and
you've loosened up some of yourtight muscles like your hip
flexors, you're now able to doboth, and that's a huge win.
But the only way we know that isif we are properly programmed.
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Now, I'm not trying to sell youthat only certain people know
the magic.
No, I mean, it's really isn'tthat complicated.
Like any good trainer knows howto do it.
When I say good, I've saidbefore, I think there should be
a level of educationrequirement.
I know there should be a levelof certification.
A uh, you know, there's only umfour certifications that really
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count, and it needs to be one ofthem the American College of
Sports Medicine and the NSCAbeing the two best.
You know, and I think you haveto have experience.
But if you're paying top dollar,you Should be getting those
things with that.
So it's not like me or only acouple people know how to do all
this.
It's not true.
But what is true is there's notenough people out there teaching
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proper programming.
All right.
So hopefully taught you a fewthings today.
And hopefully, you know thatwhen you're seeing a good
trainer, whether it be us oranother good organization, you
know that they've done the hardwork already.
You're going to do the hard workphysically.
You got to put in the work.
I had a client today and shejust finished a big race and
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she's proud of herself.
She goes, Oh, you know, I giveyou most of the credit.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
You get most of the credit.
We just helped you.
But what I'm saying is, is thatif you've got a good
organization, they have done theheavy lifting first to put
together the right program foryou.
You still got to do the work,but they have put you in the
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right level of program.
Okay.
So there is something in a name.
Remember to tell everybody that.
When you refer to us, we reallyappreciate it.
We're pretty full and don'tordinarily take new clients.
But if and when you do, you justsay, hey, just keep in mind
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They're not a gym.
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Welcome to There is a Method to the Magnets.
My name is Rob Maxwell, and I'man exercise physiologist and
personal trainer.
I am the owner of Maxwell'sFitness Program, and I've been
in business since 1994.
The purpose of this podcast isto get to the real deal of what
really worked and mostimportantly why things worked.
Hence the name, there is amethod to the magnetic.
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There is something in a name.
Did you know that?
When I was first starting mybusiness, I was told that number
one, make sure the title of yourbusiness has your name in it.
And this was from, you know,some research people at the
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university talking aboutbusinesses that found that the
businesses, I'm sure the smallbusinesses, you know, I imagine
that's what they're talkingabout, tend to do a little bit
better when it's morepersonalized and has your name
in it.
And then also, what is it yourbusiness does?
So that kind of sounds likecommon sense how to pick your
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name, at least as far as thesecond part of that goes.
So I've always believed thatthere is something in a name.
And I often say that to peoplebecause I want to emphasize the
important part of what I do.
For those that don't know, I ownMaxwell's Fitness Programs.
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That's the name of the business.
And it's been that ever since Istarted out.
And I've been doing this 31years now, basically since 1994,
when I first started takingpaychecks from my own individual
clients.
Naturally, the business hasevolved, but uh that's how long
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I've been doing it as a personaltrainer.
And uh I picked Maxwell'sfitness programs.
Well, like I said, I was toldthat you should use your name in
the business, but I also pickedit because of the programs.
Now, naturally, fitness kind ofgoes without saying, right?
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If you know it's a personaltraining business, then fitness
kind of goes in there.
That's the easiest one to figureout out of all of them.
But the programming I wanted tomake sure was unique because I
think it is unique, or it's atleast unique to me as far as
what I want to do, and as far aswhat I believe in, and as far as
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what I do.
So let me backtrack just for asecond.
And I need to explain that whenI started out as a personal
trainer, it was not like it isnow.
And I'm sure most of youshouldn't make that assumption.
Many of you are old enough toremember going back like 30
years, you know, maybe youdidn't have a trainer, you know,
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maybe that wasn't part of yourlifestyle, but you know what I'm
talking about.
It was very different.
I can think of two trainers thatI knew for sure at that time in
my life in the early 90s thatwere working as personal
trainers.
That's it.
Now I've learned since thatthere were other people in the
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area working as personaltrainers, and I got to know some
of them, and they're friends ofmine back in those days, but I
didn't know them then.
I knew of two guys, and umthat's all I knew.
And at the time, personaltrainers, it it wasn't like this
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everybody has to have one thing,or everybody has one at a gym.
I mean, it wasn't even close tothat.
Like, I don't believe, at leastnot in Central Florida where I
lived, there was personaltraining studios.
For the most part, personaltrainers were doing what I did
early on.
They were meeting their clientsat different gyms that they
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either had memberships at orthey made an arrangement with
the owner and they would traintheir clients there.
The client would pay them, andthey'd be on their way.
So that's kind of what I knewabout personal training.
And when I was training at WorldGym in Daytona Beach around this
time period, I was training formy first bodybuilding show, and
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I can remember these two guyscoming in and they train people,
and people would, you know, theytalk about you know who they are
and what they did.
Because, you know, it's gonna beyou're gonna be curious.
You're gonna see these guyswalking around and they always
have different people with them.
And it was definitely more of aluxury item back then, like it
was more of um what you wouldthink of it at the time, like
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only rich people had personaltrainers type of thing.
And there was one guy, he alwayswaited for his client, and she'd
roll up in her Ferrari.
Um, you know, and if if you livein Daytona, you might even know
who I'm talking about back then.
But she would work out with thisguy, and you know, that's when
we'd start asking questionsabout what they're doing and and
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all this kind of stuff.
And and I got along with both ofthese trainers pretty well back
then.
I mean, I always did actually,but I mean, one of them in
particular, one of them later onwanted me to uh after I got um
my master's degree, he wanted meto be his uh guy on all of his
paperwork because he didn'treally have a lot of
credentials.
Um he didn't have any at thetime.
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And uh that's neither here northere.
But the bottom line is he's anice guy, and I I politely said
no.
Um politefully, politefully,word of the day.
Politely said no, and weremained friends, but I didn't
go into any kind of businesswith him.
But in any event, that's what Iknew about it, that's what they
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did.
So that was way back when, andnow personal trainers are a dime
a dozen, essentially.
I mean, you go into your localYMCA, they're gonna say, Hey, do
you want to get some personaltraining?
And it's so much per half houror hour or whatever.
And they typically work for theYMCA.
If not, they always work for theYMCA.
You know, these different uh boxgyms, so to say, have different
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trainers floating around thateither work for the gym or maybe
they've worked out a um tradeagreement of some kind or
another, but it's very commonnow.
I mean, most people that I workwith now, they'll say, Oh, I had
a trainer a while back.
Um, so it's common.
Now, um, when I got into it, youknow, number one, I've said
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before that I always wanted tomake sure I did it right.
So even though I had a ton ofgym knowledge at the time, in my
early 20s, I did.
I mean, I'd been working outregularly in a gym since my
teenage years, and I uh had alot of personal success with it.
But to me, that was neverenough.
And I went and I wanted to getmy official education in it, so
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I got my master's in exercisephysiology.
So when I started out, I had agood scientific foundation.
I still had a lot to learn.
I still do have a lot to learn,and I love that.
I love learning new things.
But it was time to pick the nameafter I got the degree and all
that good stuff, and I landed onMaxwell's Fitness Programs,
bringing it back to where Istarted this.
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So the program part is hugebecause I always emphasize with
people that I write and helppeople with their programs.
I'm not a gem.
Yes, I have my own studio, andI've had my own location or
studio for many, many years now.
Different locations, a fewdifferent locations now.
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But that's great.
But I don't like people to thinkof it as a gem.
Like Maxwell's isn't a gem.
It just, I know what peoplemean, like I don't think they
mean anything by it, but it isinsulting to me.
Now, when I was at a previouslocation, it was a little more
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common because I was the onlygym in town, so to say, in this
very tiny, I don't want to evensay where because I don't want
to offend anybody, had a lot ofgood memories there, all was
good, great clients andeverything.
But there was that sense of,hey, are you taking new clients
when they'd call?
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And it depends on the season.
But if it was early on, I'd sayyes.
If it was more towards my end ofmy time there, I'd say no,
because I was just flat outbusy.
But in any event, they'd say,because we were driving and we
saw your gym and we reallywanted a place to work out.
And like I would cringe.
I know what they mean, but man,I'm not a gym and I hate to be
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thought of as a gym.
Like I write programs and helppeople follow the programs.
No matter where we did it,that's what I would do.
It's about the programs, not thegym.
So I would always politely say,at least I didn't say
politefully this time.
That's good.
That's good.
My green tea's kicking in alittle bit.
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Um, you know, but I wouldexplain to them what I do and
you know, kind of see if that'sstill what they wanted to do.
And when when people are lookingfor a gym to work out, rarely do
they make for a good personaltraining client.
Like, even if they have themeans, the money, the time to do
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it, and they're like, oh, okay,that just sounds like a more
expensive gym membership.
That sounds good.
They're typically not an idealclient because personal
trainers, at least I can speakfor myself, you want to be able
to help people.
And if you're working withsomebody that's already got
their mind made up of what theywant to do and what they should
do, they're not any fun.
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And I won't work with them.
It's like, look, we're eithergonna, you know, follow my
program or you're gonna have togo on your way.
I used to say to one client allthe time, it'd say, me and
you're driving down the road,and you're either gonna move
over to the passenger seat orI'm gonna have to let you off
the next stop.
And I meant it.
And it would reel her insometimes, and sometimes I'd
have to kind of give her herwalking paper, so to say,
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because it's like I know whatI'm doing, I'm here to help you,
and I can't help you if youthink you already know what you
need.
And if you already know what youneed, why aren't you doing it?
You know, I'm not a conveniencefactor, I don't need to be.
And uh, you know, I've neverreally adhered to the business
philosophy of green is green,because I used to kind of vent
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to a counselor of mine a littlebit and they go, Well, green is
green, you know, you're gettingpaid.
I'm like, ah, dude, that doesn'tdo it for me.
You know, it's like at the endof the day, sure, we need to get
paid, but nah, I do think likeselling out isn't like a great
way to be happy, you know.
So that doesn't do it for me.
I might say that, I might try toadhere to that philosophy, but
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at the end of the day, I'd endup getting pissed off and not
wanting to work with the person.
Because if you know anythingabout me, you know, I'm pretty
hard-headed myself.
So programming has always beenkey.
Um, and I love talking aboutprogramming.
And, you know, programming isfunny because it's complicated,
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but then it's not complicated.
But if you don't sit down and dothe work as a trainer, if you
don't program the fitnessprogram for your client, you are
doing yourself and of course theclient a huge disservice because
there are things you want tofigure out what they need.
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So let's take the strengthtraining component alone.
There are like differentvariables that people need to
understand that good trainersknow, like the back of their
hand.
For example, there's volume.
Volume means the amount ofstrength training a person is
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going to do.
Volume.
Volume can be broken down intohow many days per week the
person is going to exercise, howmany total exercises that
they're going to do, how manyexercises per muscle group that
they're going to do, and howmany sets of the exercise
they're going to do.
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So that's like volume.
And a lot of people only countvolume.
And what's funny is when peopletalk about writing workouts for
people, you see a lot of volumebeing written.
And when I mean a lot, I don't,I mean there are programs that
have a lot of volume, and thenthere are lower volume volume
programs, but I don't mean that.
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What I mean is there's a bigemphasis on volume.
They'll say, do this, this, andthis, but nowhere in there do
they say how hard.
And how hard is the mostimportant variable, bar none.
So there is volume.
Another thing that getsprogrammed in or needs to be
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thought about is repetitions.
And you might think repetitionsis a part of volume, but it's
really not.
Like one set of exercise, forexample, of 20 reps versus one
set of five doesn't really movethe volume stick very much.
Like that's a very kind ofsubjective thing.
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So most good fitnessprofessionals or trainers know
that there's a range ofrepetitions that work, but it
doesn't have to be thought abouttoo much.
And again, good trainers knowthis, and good trainers program
for this.
So, in other words, the bigdifference between repetitions
is more, you know, yeah, there'san upper limit of, say, 30.
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And I don't want to get in theweeds here as far as like this
isn't a podcast about, you know,exactly the amount of reps or
sets or intensity that work.
No, I mean, that's allimportant, and I've done it
before, and I'm sure I'll do itagain.
But this is like trying to teachyou how to program or to teach
you like how good trainersprogram.
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So when it comes to repetitions,though, sure there's a high-end,
mostly because of timeconstraints, but really it's
more about well, can we safelydo higher reps with lower loads
when this person that we don'tknow very well versus training
with lower repetitions, i.e.
heavier loads with this personthat we don't know very well.
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And that's really where thatcomes in.
It's like it's safer to starthigher because you're using less
weight, you can perform the formbetter, you can get to know the
person better.
I was working with actually oneof my trainers yesterday who um
she tends to struggle a littlebit with being able to pick like
loads and reps, you know.
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And I said, Look, I said, I puther on the uh overhead presses
and I set the uh you know thebar to make sure that's the
right level of range of motion.
And I put it on, I can'tremember, it's 70 pounds
actually.
And I said, All right, so giveme six to eight reps.
And after a little bit of astruggle, she gets it moving,
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and I think she did six.
Now, total guesswork on my part,just knowing her a little bit
and kind of saying, okay, ifit's this load, you should be
able to do this much, this manyreps, I should say.
And then I let her rest a littlebit and I said, All right, so
now move this down to, I thinkit was 20.
It was either 20 or 30 pounds.
So it was pretty low load.
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And I said, now do 20.
So then she was able to do 22.
And I said, Isn't that a prettygood guess?
And, you know, she's looking alittle surprised, and I'm really
happy my experiment was workingout very well because I think
sometimes actual doing thingsmakes us learn a little bit
better.
And then I did the same thing onthe arm curl machine.
And uh I said, so you know,repetition is just correlated to
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load.
So if it's a heavier load,you're gonna do less reps.
And I think even the non-trainerout there gets that common
sense-wise.
But there's nothing magic abouteither.
It's more if you have a certainload, there should be sort of
how many reps you're gonna get.
And if a good trainer focuses onthat more than they do other
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things, they would be a bettertrainer because where volume
comes in is that the personactually did a set of the
exercise.
In other words, if they went tofailure or almost failure,
that's a set.
Whether it be seven reps or 22,it doesn't matter.
It still impacts the bodyrecovery-wise for the most part
in the same way, so that it'sconsidered one set.
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So sometimes I think trainerswho still have things to learn
don't focus enough on that andgo, well, you're really worried
about this when this isn't thatimportant of a component.
I mean, for me, I mean, Ibelieve in overload, and that's
a good reason to track and knowhow much weight you're doing and
all that.
But at the same time, it's likeI can go into a gym and put it,
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put the resistance if I'm usingmachines, put the pin on a
certain level and you know,start and then know
approximately how many reps I'mgoing to be able to do and then
try to get the failure.
I mean, I don't think about itthat much.
And like if there's only likereal heavy weights laying
around, I'll go, okay, I'll usethese and I'll do less reps.
If there's a like um, you know,you go to some of these hotels
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and their dumbbell rack onlygoes up to 25.
So for me, there's a lot ofexercises I can use more than 25
pound dumbbells for.
And I'll, but but that's not theend of the world.
I'll just do higher reps.
Like it doesn't matter.
I'll go to failure with higherreps, I'll make this work.
I promise you this, I'd ratherbe able to have the low end of
the weights than the high,because with the low end of the
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weights, you can always make itwork.
With the high end of theweights, you you you can't.
Like, I mean, I don't see aworld where the dumbbells start
at 50.
So that's not going to be aproblem, but hopefully you get
my gist on that.
So programming takes intoaccount these things.
So that's volume.
And then there's intensity.
And intensity needs to befactored out.
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I had this conversation with aclient of mine this morning.
And um, you know, she's a she'sgot a great attitude, you know,
she likes talking fitness andall this stuff.
And I said to her, I said, youknow, remember, the most
important variable with strengthtraining is intensity.
And intensity in strengthtraining is measured by how
close you get to failure.
And almost all research pointsto the fact that you have to get
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the failure or within like oneor two repetitions of it to
start to get stronger.
I mean, if you do submaximal setafter submaximal set after
submaximal set, number one, intechnical terms, it's not even
considered a set.
It's considered a warm-up set.
You're probably not gonna getvery far.
Now, I'm not gonna go, well,you're gonna get nothing out of
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this, like it's a waste of time.
That's not true.
I mean, you're at the gymworking out versus being at the
bar drinking beer, right?
So, no, it's it's a, you know,you're not wasting your time.
I'm not gonna go that far.
But you're not making the mostof your time either, unless you
absolutely hate to do anythingthat feels close to failure.
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Then I get it, you're better tonot, because then at least
you're gonna work out.
But if you can muster it andtell yourself it's good for me
to get the close to failurebecause I want to get stronger,
just keep in mind that's the wayto go.
So good trainers are able tosay, does this person need a
higher volume routine, like moreexercises and um more exercises
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per muscle group and more sets?
That's usually not the case formost people, by the way.
Or does this person need a loweramount of exercises, i.e.,
volume and higher intensity?
That's usually the case for mostpeople.
And a good trainer knows how toprogram that because that's a
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big part of programming.
Now, another part of programmingthat kind of separates the men
from the boys regarding, or thewomen from the girls, doesn't
matter, is how to modifyexercises.
And I think that a big part ofprogramming is understanding
that that I've just what I justtalked about, that there is
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there's volume considerations,exercises, and sets and
exercises per muscle group, andthere's intensity variables like
how close we get to failure.
Then we have to consider therepetition thing as I spoke
about, which kind of getsoverrated, but we also have to
talk about how to modify and howto make it work for everybody.
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And part of programming is doingthat, and that's one of the
things I really, really like todo.
I mean, I've had people in manydifferent circumstances in life.
I had a guy trained for years,he he sadly passed a number of
years ago, but he fell from abuilding and he was partially
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paralyzed.
And um he had his his it was itwas a condition where they kind
of had to straighten and fusesome of his joints together in
order to save it.
I still don't understand whatwent into the surgery.
I just know that like hismuscles in in many areas and his
joints in many areas were kindof like fused out in elongated
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positions, and he had a lot oftrouble moving without going
into spasm and straightening outsome of his limbs.
And uh, you know, he was in awheelchair, and um, I was able
to help him with exercises.
We were able to come up withdifferent things he can do,
whether it be dumbbells from hischair position or being able to
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transfer onto a selectorizedmachine and helping kind of like
tie his grip in with um deadliftstraps so he was able to keep
his hands on because he couldn'tgrip.
He really couldn't form a fist,so to say.
So we'd have to use artificialmeans to kind of like tie his
grip down.
Um, you know, there was I cameup with this thing where I can
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get him on the treadmill and dothe same thing, helping him,
obviously spotting him, buthelping him keep his arm on to
hold on to the treadmill.
And then I was able to help himswing his leg around so he can
get some mobility, mostly to usehis leg muscles.
I mean, I can go on and on, butyou know, I remember hammer
strength equipment was a bigfriend of his because he can do
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things isolaterally because hereally wasn't able to push one
side out and keep the otherside.
Well, he couldn't push bothsides out at the same time.
He kind of had to push one outbecause the other one would go
in the spasm.
So, but anyway, he was able toexercise, and I 100% believe
that that benefited his life.
So I've always enjoyed coming upwith modifications.
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And I think that if you know thebody, if you know the joint
actions, if you know what themuscles are supposed to do, like
if you know each and every oneof your muscles, and I think if
you come to the gym, you knowthat I do, and you know Ellen is
an absolute whiz with themuscles too.
I think that's really criticalbecause then you know how to
modify exercises.
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So, you know, we get the volumedown, we get the intensity down,
and say, well, you know, theyneed to do three different leg
exercises, you know, to getbenefits.
I mean, in most programs, youneed to do some type of quad
extension.
I'm just talking the legs, keepit simple so you understand.
You have to do some kind of quadextension so you can isolate the
quads.
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You got to do some kind ofhamstring curl to isolate the
hamstrings, and then you have todo some kind of squat so you
bring it all together with acompound.
For example, a squat or a legpress or different versions of
squat.
So part of programming isunderstanding this,
understanding like whatexercises need to be done and
how to modify.
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Like I have a guy starting upnow.
I mean, he he's got a lot ofinjuries and he's older, and I'm
and I'm having to do this andgo, well, you know, he's got to
be able to squat, you know, ifwe want to keep him moving
around, he's so what am I gonnado to program in a squat?
You know, could it be a seatbackleg press, meaning push the seat
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back, help him get on there?
You know, he's pretty frail.
And how can I help him be ableto do a form of a squat?
You know, maybe we need to do aform of a TRX.
I mean, I'm saying maybe becauseI've actually already thought
about a lot of this and put ittogether.
I'm still working on it though,because it's going to take a few
workouts before I figure outwhat's really working for him.
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But being able to modifysomebody's program is critical.
And it goes into programmingbecause yes, the muscles do what
the muscles do, and the jointactions do what the joint
actions do.
But every individual isdifferent.
And it doesn't mean thateverybody can do a squat a
certain way.
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So good training and programmingneeds to know how to modify
these things.
So I say all this because I wantyou to understand that when
you're searching out fitnessprograms, you need to understand
that professionals will programit and people who are not
professional will not.
I mean, you know, I used to havea term I taught to the students
(25:52):
that I used to teach how to bepersonal trainers and also to
new trainer hires, I would have,I'd say, look, what we don't do
is we don't boot camp people.
And I just detest organizationsthat do that.
I think it is such a ripoff topeople.
I think it is such a bad exampleof what fitness professionals
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do, but I call it boot campingpeople.
Now, I'm not saying don't go toboot camps.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that when you see apersonal trainer or you're
you're on a specific program,you know, because some personal
training is done in group, grouppersonal training, that's fine
too.
I mean, but the difference is inthat situation, if you got a
(26:35):
good trainer, they programmedyour workout.
Your workout is programmed bythem and you.
It's programmed.
It's not like you're showing upand doing what everybody's
doing.
So when you go to a gym and atrainer, and yes, they do this,
too many of them.
They boot camp you, meaning youshow up and they're just kind of
doing the workout of the daythat they are showing everybody,
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or they're just doing something,you know, fast and convenient
for people, for them mostly,because they didn't want to sit
down and try to think about it.
You know, oh, yep, we're 20squats today, you know, then
we're gonna go over here, we'regonna do 20 on the hammer
strength machine, you know, andthen you're gonna do um, you're
gonna do as many pull-ups on theGravitron as you can, and then
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you're gonna take a break, we'regonna do that again.
And it's like that's whatthey're doing all day long with
people.
Like we call that boot campingpeople.
And it doesn't even have to bethey're gonna do that all day
long.
It could just simply mean that,you know, they don't want to
take the time to put together aworkout.
And so they just do real generalthings for people.
They figure, well, you know,they're gonna do a squat and a
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push and pull, which, you know,it's great.
That's a great beginning.
But to program it, you have tosay, okay, but what kind of
squat?
Like I have a lot of clients,and I have a lot of clients that
are all different from eachother.
And I guarantee you, I mean,hopefully everybody does a squat
when they come into the gymalmost every time they work out,
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unless they can't.
But they're all different kindsof squats.
I mean, it depends on theindividual.
I mean, somebody really healthyand young and all that great
stuff can do like multipleversions of squats.
But some people you find theonly squat they can do is a
cable squat, or the only squatthey can do is a TRX squat, or
the only squat they can do is agoblet squat, or the only squat
(28:23):
they can do is a chair squat ora wall squat or a wall set.
Like the trainer has to thinkabout the modifications of
exercises and what is best forthat individual where they're
going to get the most benefitfrom it.
And once you do that, you find,of course, that it feels great
(28:44):
to you because you watch peoplewho couldn't do things all of a
sudden be able to do things.
And then maybe they're able tobe able to do different kinds of
modifications.
Or maybe you don't have tomodify it all eventually.
Maybe you can just, hey, insteadof doing half squats, you know,
we're able to do full squats.
Or instead of only being able touse the leg press because you
(29:05):
can't keep your chest up on asquat.
And so you're kind of trainingthe wrong muscle groups by doing
this, you're now able, becauseyour core has strengthened and
you've loosened up some of yourtight muscles like your hip
flexors, you're now able to doboth, and that's a huge win.
But the only way we know that isif we are properly programmed.
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Now, I'm not trying to sell youthat only certain people know
the magic.
No, I mean, it's really isn'tthat complicated.
Like any good trainer knows howto do it.
When I say good, I've saidbefore, I think there should be
a level of educationrequirement.
I know there should be a levelof certification.
A uh, you know, there's only umfour certifications that really
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count, and it needs to be one ofthem the American College of
Sports Medicine and the NSCAbeing the two best.
You know, and I think you haveto have experience.
But if you're paying top dollar,you Should be getting those
things with that.
So it's not like me or only acouple people know how to do all
this.
It's not true.
But what is true is there's notenough people out there teaching
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proper programming.
All right.
So hopefully taught you a fewthings today.
And hopefully, you know thatwhen you're seeing a good
trainer, whether it be us oranother good organization, you
know that they've done the hardwork already.
You're going to do the hard workphysically.
You got to put in the work.
I had a client today and shejust finished a big race and
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she's proud of herself.
She goes, Oh, you know, I giveyou most of the credit.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
You get most of the credit.
We just helped you.
But what I'm saying is, is thatif you've got a good
organization, they have done theheavy lifting first to put
together the right program foryou.
You still got to do the work,but they have put you in the
(30:54):
right level of program.
Okay.
So there is something in a name.
Remember to tell everybody that.
When you refer to us, we reallyappreciate it.
We're pretty full and don'tordinarily take new clients.
But if and when you do, you justsay, hey, just keep in mind
they're a program.
They're not a gym.
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