September 27, 2025 • 60 mins
Ever wondered what dark secrets lurk beneath the surface of America's quiet small towns? In this episode, Paul and Andrea pull back the curtain on two shocking criminal cases from Northwest Arkansas that time has nearly forgotten.
The conversation begins with a puzzling 1972 case where Lieutenant Carl Martins, a young Springdale police officer, survived when a bomb detonated under his car right at the police station. Despite involvement from the FBI, ATF, and even a grand jury investigation, the case went cold with surprising speed. Why would someone attempt a mob-style hit in a town of barely 30,000 people? And why did the story fade from newspapers after just six mentions? The hosts theorize about possible motives while planning to file Freedom of Information Act requests to uncover the truth behind this mysterious attempted murder.
Even more disturbing is the 1974 murder spree of Shirley Marie Curry, a mother who, enraged over losing custody of her children, embarked on a killing rampage across multiple towns. In a single evening, she murdered her two sons, her ex-husband, her daughter, and her ex-husband's half-sister before attempting to kill a sixth victim. When captured, her chilling question to officers—"I missed the sixth one, didn't I?"—revealed her calculated bloodlust. Despite the severity of her crimes, she was initially declared mentally ill and legally irresponsible before eventually spending the remainder of her life in prison.
These forgotten cases reveal how even seemingly quiet communities harbor dark histories that rival more notorious crime capitals. Join Paul and Andrea as they resurrect these cold cases and discuss what they tell us about America's hidden criminal past. Have stories like these been buried in your hometown too? Visit paulgnewton.com for more content as they continue their investigation into these Arkansas mysteries.
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Song (00:08):
I need to know everything.
Who in the what and the where Ineed everything.
Trust me, I hear what you'resaying, but I like this knew
what you're telling me.
I'm curious, George.
I'm happy to pull it.
Paul G (00:23):
So welcome to things.
I wanna know.
Yeah, we're letting him talk uptheir still using the curious
George song.
I wanna know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You wanna know?
Andrea (00:36):
I guess I wanna know.
Paul G (00:38):
So Andrea is here with me.
Andrea has had a recent change.
We both had a recent change,actually.
I moved into Andrea's house.
Andrea (00:48):
Well, you moved in when we lived in Eureka Springs.
Paul G (00:51):
Yeah, but I was doing living in Fayeville when all
this first started.
Andrea (00:54):
No, I think we did some podcasts at Adult House.
Paul G (00:56):
At the adult house?
Andrea (00:58):
Old House.
Paul G (00:59):
Old House.
Yes.
I was like, well, I guess itcould have been
because I remember we had towork off the kitchen table and
the internet and we were talkingto somebody.
And the cats.
Andrea (01:09):
And the cats, yes.
They would like to walk acrossand annoy the hell out of Paul.
Pretty much.
Paul G (01:15):
Yes, very much so.
And now I have an office.
Andrea (01:19):
And I have an office.
Paul G (01:20):
Yes, but your door's always open.
Andrea (01:22):
Well, I have cats.
Anybody who has catsunderstands.
Paul G (01:26):
Yeah, I don't care.
The cats can offend.
And they don't bug me.
Andrea (01:29):
No, but you get mad when they don't like you.
Paul G (01:32):
No.
I don't get mad when they don'tlike me.
Not anymore.
Because there's two of them.
They won't leave me alone.
Andrea (01:37):
Oh, yeah, that's true.
Paul G (01:38):
We have a cat named Bitchy Kitty.
Andrea (01:40):
Which I know sounds awful, but that's the only name
she responds to.
Paul G (01:43):
Well, she's is she or is she not a bitchy cat?
Andrea (01:48):
She is kind of a bitchy cat.
Paul G (01:50):
Just kind of a bitchy cat?
You look at her strange and shegoes, What?
Exactly.
Exactly.
And then so we've moved backinto civilization.
I I no longer have to turn thelimiters on on the microphones
to drown out the banjos thatplayed in the background when we
were recording out in Eureka.
Andrea (02:08):
It was not that bad.
It was not that bad.
To him, civilization is beingwithin Walmart within 10
minutes.
Paul G (02:16):
No, no.
Andrea (02:18):
You like the fact that we moved to Pea Ridge,
Paul G (02:20):
but we had a grocery store within 10 minutes of where
we were in
Andrea (02:24):
Yeah, but I'm talking like Walmart or something that
doesn't like jack up prices.
Paul G (02:29):
Well, it's out there too, though.
It was it's better now becauseout there they had maybe a tooth
instead of teeth.
Oh some of the people.
Andrea (02:38):
Oh god stop.
People had teeth.
Paul G (02:41):
Yeah, one.
Andrea (02:42):
Oh Lord, it's not that bad.
It really was not that bad.
Paul G (02:45):
Between the banjos and the helitosis, I didn't know
what to do.
Oh Lord.
Sorry, Eureka Springs.
Well, we all know it's not thatbad.
I'm also I I can't remember.
I've told everybody I'm an ass.
Andrea (02:58):
Not an asshole.
Paul G (02:59):
That's right.
There's a difference.
There's a difference between anass and an asshole.
Anyhow.
Andrea (03:04):
Yeah, we also had some other changes.
Paul G (03:07):
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What was that?
Andrea (03:09):
We got married.
Paul G (03:10):
Oh, we did?
Andrea (03:11):
Yes, in May.
Paul G (03:14):
I I attempted to stay completely drunk the entire
time.
Andrea (03:17):
Uh well, you we had fun at the reception.
Paul G (03:19):
Actually, you were more drunk than I am.
Andrea (03:21):
Well, it was nerve-wracking.
Paul G (03:23):
The last time I drank was at the wedding.
Andrea (03:25):
Yeah, that's true.
Paul G (03:26):
Which was in May.
May, yeah.
Andrea (03:28):
Yeah, but we're married, so I have a new last name.
Paul G (03:31):
New last no, you're not yet.
Andrea (03:33):
Hey, for anybody out there to change your name, it's
a big pain in the butt.
You have to go, uh, go to thesocial security office.
You have to make anappointment, and then you take
that, and then you have to takeit, get your driver's license,
and then everything elsechanges.
But it took three months to getto the social security office.
Paul G (03:48):
And you still haven't got your driver's license
because you have to make anappointment for that too.
Andrea (03:51):
Yeah, and that's in two weeks, three weeks, something
like that.
So in October.
Paul G (03:54):
It's in so it's still not final.
Andrea (03:56):
It's lot final in the eyes of Social Security.
That's enough.
Paul G (04:00):
We were up at the uh up at the uh um office getting the
marriage license, and they madeus sign an affidavit that if we
didn't bring it back within ahundred or a hundred or ninety
days.
Ninety days, yeah.
90 days of of getting thelicense and getting married.
We had 90 days.
That they I'd have to pay $150for not bringing it back.
(04:21):
And I looked at her and said,Oh, I see.
So it's a uh return fee if Idon't, if I need to not if I
want to return it.
I forgot the word you use it.
You used a uh uh um 90-day ninenine, what was it?
90-day uh trial period.
Yeah, 90-day trial.
It was a 90-day trial, like youget on the internet, you know.
You get a 90-day trial, you getit, you don't have to pay it
(04:42):
for three months.
Yeah, and when we brought themarriage license back, the whole
ladies thought it was funnywhen you told them that there
there is a trial or you got itback before.
There is a trial.
I got it back before the trialwas over, so I guess I'll take
it.
My thing is like if you don'treturn it, what are they gonna
do?
Uh put a warrant out for 150bucks?
Send you a bill for the 150dollars.
(05:03):
That's hilarious.
And people won't pay it, so Idon't understand how that's
even.
But you know, it's just arestocking fee.
I don't know.
I you're not paying attentionto my jokes.
Restocking fee.
I asked the girls, I said, isthere is there a waiting period
or like a uh you know, returnperiod or something like that of
(05:24):
change of mind?
And they're like, no.
I and so we go goofed off aboutthat for a minute, but then
they told me if I don't bring itback in 90 days, they charge me
150 bucks.
I said, so if I don't, so if Iwant don't bring it back before
90 days, it's 150 bucks.
They're like, yeah.
So that means there is a trialperiod.
Yes, and you had the wholeoffice laughing.
(05:46):
If I just don't bring it back,I'm not married.
Doesn't get entered into the uhWashington or Benton County
record.
That's true, yeah.
So you're not married.
That's hilarious, though.
But 90-day waiting period.
90-day waiting period.
No, no, no, no, not any 90-daytrial period.
Trial period.
Yes, trial period with a $150restocking fee.
(06:08):
Restocking fee.
Put me back on the shelf.
No, no, no, yeah.
Back in the box.
In the box.
In the box.
I'm sure there's lots of peopleout there that have they're
screaming at the radio rightnow.
Shut up, bitch.
You're saying these things.
I'm just kidding, people.
Come on, have you met me?
Probably not, but if you did,you'd be like, eh, he's just
(06:28):
screwing around.
It's just Paul.
Yeah, I'm an ass.
Not an asshole.
But not an asshole.
Because I actually did bringthe marriage certificate back to
be recorded within a week ofbeing married.
Yeah, we did.
We got it clear.
So there.
I don't think anybody reallycares.
(06:48):
They might.
Anyways, what are we going tobe talking about today?
I don't know.
What are we talking abouttoday?
Wait, I do know there's onething we need to talk about.
And it's what I've been doingcalled Things I Wanna Know
Voices.
Oh, yes, I'm that's correct.
And you really haven't hadanything to do with that because
I've been wanting to recordsome stuff and write some
(07:10):
stories because I do a lot ofwriting.
You can follow me on Substack,Paul G.
Newton on Substack.
Uh, and all my writings there.
I got some really cool storieslaying around there too.
You you do have some good stuffon there.
Uh I did a whole series onVatican Rat lines, which is
where they snuck Nazis out ofGermany at post-World War II.
(07:31):
Uh the the Catholic Church wasin on it.
Yeah, I do know that.
It's kind of a dark stain on theWell at the same time, it's a
good story that I wrote becauseit was, you know, it's basically
you learn about the rat lineswithout actually having to
learn.
It's just a thing.
And then I got the story aboutFinland where they're stealing
(07:52):
oil.
That one's good.
You should really elaboratemore on that.
Well, you know, I haven't hadanybody read on it.
But what I've been doing latelyuh is the voices for the
podcast.
And uh where it's telling thestories, and I've told the story
about uh kind of like inhistory daily kind of style.
Which is a nice format.
Well, it's yeah, but it's alsomy spin on it because I'm not
(08:15):
really doing it like them, youknow, because they have voices
and sound uh you know, somestuff like that.
Um like I don't have extrapeople, it's just me.
So I have to just read it.
Well, I did one on um oh gosh,the the penicillin guy.
Oh no, that one was interestingthough, because we all know
(08:35):
about penicillin and you knowhow it came to be and it
revolutionized medicine and andeverything like that.
But your little spin on it, Ithink is kind of cool how you
but it was the way it happenedthough.
Yeah.
It's just we don't know aboutthat whole story because it took
him he he discovered it 10-15years before it even got used.
(08:56):
Yeah, when he tried didn't hetry it on himself?
No, he didn't try it onhimself.
But uh he might have, but hejust didn't tell anybody he was
doing that.
I mean it revolutionizedmedicine and you know now it's a
very common drug allergy.
Well, it probably was then too,if you think about that.
Well, maybe.
I mean, everybody could beallergic to something.
It doesn't matter if it's foodor if it's uh medicine or if
(09:18):
it's an insect or anything likethat.
I'm allergic to a lot of things.
Oh, really?
I hate to uh I was I don'tknow.
I'm allergic to penicillin, soI'm allergic to jerks.
Oh, yeah, that's probably true.
Yeah.
Because I have this reallystrong reaction when somebody's
an asshole around me.
(09:40):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't go well.
Asses I can tolerate because youknow I'm used to it because I
talk to myself the same way Italk to everybody else.
They're bitch picturing youtalking to yourself with a
mirror.
Oh no, I don't need a mirror.
Oh, you don't need a mirror.
It's an internal dialogue.
I have an in I have a very vividimagination.
(10:01):
That's why you write.
That's also why I argue withmyself.
Oh well, yeah.
And uh the weirdest part was onetime I slapped myself.
Please tell me to do thatliterally.
Okay, I won't tell you.
Okay, that sounds good.
All right, what's this story?
But the the the voices though,uh what do you think about what
I've been doing?
Because you haven't beeninvolved in it.
(10:23):
I've just been listening to itas you've been doing it in your
office, and I'm in mine, but Ithink I mean we tried to bomb
them.
We were gonna send a nuclearweapon to the moon and set it
off.
I think that is the mostasinine, stupid thing we could
have possibly.
Carl Sagan was in on that.
That's just hello.
The moon changes our tides andlike helps our oceans.
Yeah, don't don't fuck with themoon.
(10:43):
Don't fuck with the moon.
You know, if we terraform themoon and put a bunch of water up
there, it would change itsweight.
And if we put enough water onthe moon to actually make an
ocean, it might screw with ouroceans.
Yeah, but what's bombing themoon gonna show anybody that
we're like?
No, they're gonna show theRussians that we can blow them
up.
Or that or think we're idiots.
(11:05):
Well, they were trying to do thesame thing.
Well, yeah.
So listen to that one.
It's a brand well, I didn'tknow anything about it until he
started doing some research andstuff on it.
Yeah.
And I was like, I'm then glad.
I'm glad that you know theydidn't do that.
I got this really interestingthing I'm thinking about about
Castro.
Oh, yeah, Mr.
Castro.
Yeah, Cuba.
I'm doing some research intothat because I think it'd be
(11:26):
interesting to know just howmany times he's been uh an
assassination attempt has beenattempted on Mr.
Cuba Castro.
I think you told me it was ahuge amount, and I kept thinking
if we don't want to advertisehow many times we screwed up,
it's way past a hundred guys.
They broke it, they didn't do itgood on any of them.
It's missed every time.
That's we don't need to beadvertised.
(11:48):
He's either that or he's youknow, he can replicate himself.
Who knows?
Maybe he's an alien.
I don't know.
Yeah, see there now you're ontosomething.
But I don't know.
I when he told me that, you gotwhen you when you got when he
puts it out, listen to it,because I remember going, that
is not something that the FBIreally wants to advertise how
many times they screwed up.
So I guess now we're kind ofgetting into the meat of things.
(12:09):
We're supposed to go in back towhat you're here for, what
everyone's listening for, right?
Yes.
Bring on the suspense.
I do this live, just so youknow.
It's uh I got a little boredover here, but it keeps stopping
on recording.
I don't know.
I don't get it.
(12:29):
It's like, hello, technology.
You love it or you hate it.
Or it hates you.
I agree with that.
I'm not saying it's aliens, butit's aliens.
Yes.
So you know, Springdale,Arkansas.
I grew up in Springdale.
She grew up in Rogers.
Mm-hmm.
Springdale, maybe when Igraduated high school, I had
maybe 40,000 people.
What was it, Rogers?
25?
I honestly don't know.
(12:51):
I just wanted out, I think.
Well, I know how manygraduating my class, but I don't
remember how many was the time.
We had 500 and something.
So it was pretty big.
Yeah.
Well, I compersed people werehave were perkurating much more
than Springdale's people.
Oh God.
I don't want to think aboutthat.
Because you're only 25,000versus 40,000, and you have the
same amount of class.
I mean, come on.
(13:11):
Uh we were a little bit more, Ithink.
Randy.
Roll out here.
What are you gonna do?
Randy.
There's nothing to do.
Yeah, but that's the thing, isthere's nothing to do.
There's more babies born.
That's true.
I mean, now there's thepopulation's going down because
boys are like, no, I have videogames, go away.
Well, COVID, they didn't haveanything to do, and there was a
big COVID baby boom.
(13:33):
COVID babies, yeah.
They're in Kevin.
I thought a COVID baby.
When you say COVID baby, I justthink of like a green monster
with like weird eyes.
No, I just know that's awful.
That it's a COVID baby, run.
You know, a lot of parents weredidn't have anything to do when
babies came later, so and butback in 1972, neither one of us
(13:56):
were here.
No, I was born in 77.
Yeah, and I was not born in 72.
Actually, I'm 497 years old, sobut I was living somewhere
else.
Oh, yeah.
Yes, in your own planet.
Yes, no, I'm not a Mormon.
Thank you very much.
I'm sorry for you, Mormon Mormonlisteners.
Well, he's not being being I'mnot nice, I'm an ass, remember?
Yeah, he's not trying to becompletely mean, so don't block
(14:17):
me.
I'm not being asshole.
I'm just being an ass.
Yes, you're Paul.
Yes, I'm Paul.
Thank you very much.
And for uh, you know, once ourtherapy session is almost over.
Um, anyway.
But back in 1972, there wasthis like mob style thing going
on at the police, SpringdalePolice Department of all things.
(14:40):
And when we're talking a policedepartment that has maybe
probably about 30 people workingthere, because the town wasn't
that big in 72.
It's probably 25,000, 30,000.
Yeah, that's probably aboutright.
Maybe not even that.
So when you think of mob style,what goes to your head
instantaneously?
Well, they had the uh uh, oh, itwas Rhode Island.
Uh, what's the town in RhodeIsland?
(15:01):
Uh the one that um umProvidence, Providence, Rhode
Island.
It it there was a whole podcastabout Providence, Rhode Island,
uh called Crimetown.
And those guys blew each otherup with car bombs all the time.
They didn't like somebody, theyput a car bomb in his car and
boom, it blew up.
That's how they killed him.
(15:22):
Or they take him out in thewoods and you know, kill him and
give them the pigs.
They did that too.
Yeah, you know, pigs will eatanything.
Well, almost anything.
Yeah, that's true.
Never mind.
Anyhow, let's move on.
Um but car bombs is how theygot rid of people they wanted to
(15:43):
go away in Providence.
And who knew Providence, RhodeIsland was that big of a mob
town?
It was a huge mob town.
The mayor of Rhode Island orProvidence, Rhode Island, was
freaking involved in the mob.
Yep.
He killed a guy in his in hishouse with the fire poker,
fireplace poker, the mayor ofProvidence, and didn't go to
(16:04):
jail for it.
Well, Arkansas's not quite that.
No, no.
See, you asked me what I'mtalking about, mob well, that's
what I'm thinking about.
But so we had a car bombing in1972 on a police attempted
murder on a police officer.
Yes, the bomb was foundunderneath his car.
I mean, underneath his the hisside of the car, the driver's
(16:24):
side.
Yeah, his driver's seat.
And he was backing out andkaboom.
Yeah, he was leaving work.
He's been on shift all night.
Yeah, he was a lieutenant.
What was his name?
Uh his name is Carl Martins.
Carl Martins.
Yeah, he was a lieutenant,wasn't he?
Yeah, if I remember correctly,yeah.
You were saying he was likereally young to be a lieutenant.
I want to say he was in hismid-20s when I read this.
(16:46):
We we we love newspapers.com,by the way.
Well, she does.
I don't because they don't tellme everything.
Well, they're not they're notomnipotent like I asked them to
be.
It is newspapers, and it was the70s, so you know omnipotent
newspapers, yeah, something likethat.
But, anyways, you know, ourthought processes was what why
would there be a bomb?
(17:07):
Why would there like why wouldyou bomb a police office?
And then Springdale freakingArkansas, it's like Podunk City,
you know, central.
But you know, my first thoughtwas, oh, he's got a pissed-off
wife or ex-girlfriend orsomething on the side or
something, and she's not happy.
And who knows?
Maybe they put it in the wrongcar.
That could be we're not we'renot actually we're just gonna
throw around some theoriesbecause there is no answer to
(17:29):
this case.
I mean, they they went on for ayear, a year, and they couldn't
find anybody.
They had a grand jury for thisguy.
There was the FBI involved, ATF,ATF involved, and nobody can
find anything.
I find that very odd.
Yeah, yeah.
There's no records anywhere.
So we probably what we're gonnado, what I want to do when
(17:51):
we're done here is I think I'mgonna put in a FOIA request.
Yeah, let's do it.
I mean, let's just see whathappened.
All they'll do is probably sendus a piece of paper, which is a
bunch of black, like marksharpies.
I don't know, Arkansas mightsend it to us because they're
pretty open.
I mean, Arkansas just recentlyhad started allowing the the
dash cam footage for their carchases for the state police.
It's it before they weren'tallowed, and the governor
(18:14):
changed the governor changed it.
Yeah, so that's probably whyArkansas's on some cop shows.
Well, that's right.
That's why the Florida manexists, because Florida Man has
a law that says they have torelease everything.
Nothing can be held redactedunless it's going to help them
solve the crime.
Like, you know, we know we knowhe wore gloves, but he also
wore a clown mask.
Yeah.
And they just say, no, a man, agloved man killed this person.
(18:37):
They don't say a glove, clownmasked man.
Yeah.
And so that way they heldsomething back so they can, you
know.
Yeah, I can get the person whodid it.
But you know, he just gets thisbomb, and so and it disappears
pretty much in the papers.
What what uh they had forever.
Like a year later, they maybebrought something, if I remember
correctly.
Yeah.
It wouldn't like you wouldthink like something like this
in the 70s would be on the frontpage of the newspapers for
(18:59):
weeks.
And it was barely there.
It was barely there.
It was only let's say one, two,three, four, five, six, six
times did it even make thepaper.
Yeah.
And it was uh I mean, they getit.
What really what makes meinterested in this thing is not
that it's a bombing, not thathis girlfriend is upset because
of or whatever.
(19:20):
It couldn't, we're not passingblame on anybody.
We're we're just kind of likewe don't know anything, so we're
like trying to figure this out.
So these are the things thatcome to mind.
Yeah, like that, or was youknow, in the 70s, it's everybody
knows the 70s is drugs.
Yeah.
I mean, we the 70s show.
I've watched a little bit ofthat.
They sit all sit around the smcircle and they're all smoking
(19:41):
weed.
I mean, that's what you thinkof when it's that's what you
think of as a season.
That's not what I think of whenI think of the 70s.
I mean, I was born in the otherpart of the 70s, so all I have
references, like pictures of myparents and like what I read
about.
I mean, I don't have anyreference.
Documentaries and things likethat.
John Wayne Gacy, DTK, bellbottom jeans and long hair
(20:02):
parted down the middle, thatkind of stuff.
But so I was I was willing tolet it go and say, no, this is
not something that's interestingat all.
But for somebody to blow up acar and then at the police
station trying to kill a copwho's a lieutenant, next this
next stop is being a detective,right?
Which I don't think he everbecame a detective.
(20:22):
He might not wanted to beeither.
There's not a whole lot ofinformation we have on this
gentleman, and and and maybethat's for his own benefit a
good thing.
I think he may be still alive,actually, too.
But the same thing.
Maybe we could talk to him andget an interview him on the
podcast.
That'd be kind of cool.
That would be.
But the sad thing is, is like,you know, nowadays, if something
like that was to happen, itwould be like national news.
Yeah, it'd be like all over theplace.
(20:43):
Well, depending upon where thewhere it happened, but you know,
not everyone.
Well, if it bleeds, it leads.
That's the mantra of uh themodern and back then, even.
But another thing we found outwas the fact that a grand jury
was issued.
That's what made me mostsuspicious.
There's a grand jury about thisgoing on.
So grand juries used to what areif there's a pretty much they
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they put it in front of peopleif there's enough and these
random people picked theirevidence the prosecutor does,
and if they the people in thisjury feel like there's enough to
convict someone, then they gowith charges.
Right.
And it didn't come of anything.
No, but it was also a grand juryinto that and other type of
jury.
I want those grand jury notes.
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I want to know what hepresented.
I don't know if we could.
I don't know.
I've never been on a courtconnect for anything other than
like, you know, uh family stuff,but I've never been on there
for like Freedom of InformationAct, though.
I should be able to get a holdof it, you think?
I would think, but I mean, uhI've never ever sorry, the the
the storage building burneddown.
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There are no records.
That's what they did with mygrandfather's service record.
Yeah, this is a littledifferent.
But again, you know, I thinkyou have to prove like why it's
important.
I don't we've never done this.
I think you have to.
I think you just ask for itbecause the way I was reading a
FOIA request is I've never doneone.
We'll let you all know how we'lllet you how know how it goes.
Well, what I used to work for4029, ABC affiliate.
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I was their chief editor forabout five years.
And that's what they that'stheir bread and butter is FOIA.
Makes sense.
I mean so I you do get somethings.
I mean, but the here's theother thing, though, too.
When you combine that, thatthere's a grand jury, so there's
something going on that they'retrying to convict somebody.
Or or let me see if I remembercorrectly, that weren't they
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kind of like wanting to knowlike, is there any sinister
activity between the policedepartment and drug activity?
Possibly, possibly, because theFBI got involved.
And so did, you know, and sodid the ATF.
And when it comes to policemunicipalities, the way it's
supposed to work, and I'm notsaying this is the way it does
work, but the way it's supposedto work is that the Arkansas
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State Police is then supposed toinvestigate the police office,
police officers.
Andrea (22:52):
Yeah, right?
Paul G (22:53):
That's the hierarchy.
And then if the Arkansas StatePolice can't figure it out, then
it goes to the FBI.
But only if the FBI finds theFBI can't come on unless they
are crossing state lines ordoing some kind of federal
crime.
It has to be linked tosomething.
So if the FBI has charge overbank robberies, kidnappings, and
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multi-state crimes.
Correct.
But after that, they have to beasked to be on the site.
But my thing is I don't I wouldlike to believe there's nothing
sinister because why would youput that in front of a grand
jury?
Wait, so if you the policedepartment's messed up, I'm not
saying that it is, but let'sjust say hypothetically that
it's something to do with that.
Why would you want to put thatin front of a grand jury to just
put a big bullet on your headof hey, we're messing up?
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And this is 50 years ago, too.
So the times are completelydifferent.
I would like to think that thatwould be something that would be
hushed under the rug and neveraddressed.
They would, yeah.
If there was something going onin the police department,
they'd just be like, Yeah.
But he still remained a cop.
Yes.
So he didn't, they didn't thinkhe was doing anything wrong.
Mm-mm.
No, I don't think so.
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But the weird thing is, is likeshe's drinking wine.
Yes, I am.
I'm just whining.
Yes, you're not.
Hey! Hey, hey, hey, hey.
But I'm like, I'm like curious,like what what happened?
Why was nobody convicted?
You know, did he give somebodylike like in a case, make
somebody mad?
They get went to jail or the youknow, a prison, or was he on
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loan to the FBI as a as aundercover agent and went back
there and they figured out howhe was and bombed him?
I mean, any of these thingscould be possible because we
don't know.
I would like to think that ifyou got a traffic ticket, you
wouldn't be so angry you'd bombthe cop and give it to you.
But if you go back to 1972,1973, 1974, uh Springdale,
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Arkansas, it kind of was thatway, I think, because we have
this one crazy, a crazy bitch.
I'm just gonna say it rightnow.
Yeah, I uh yeah, she's ShirleyMarie Curry.
Yeah, I know she lived inLowell, which is just north.
Between like Rogers andSpringdale.
It's if you're if you mean byit's basically like one town to
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the next town to the next townon a highway, if you think about
it that way.
But this lady basically, youknow, got married like everyone
in the does, or in those days,the 70s, a lot of people got
married.
Yeah, to Jimmy Lee Curry.
And then she was she was bornin 1936.
So, I mean, she's she's alittle older than yeah, she's
about 10 years older than thanmost boomers.
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And you know, she has three kidsuh a girl and then two boys.
Sabrina, Richard, and Jesse, whoare we can talk about because
they're not around.
Oh, okay.
You know, think about it,they're not there, and so she
has these kids, and then I guessyou know, 1967, the marriage
probably didn't do so well, andthey got a divorce.
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Yeah.
And from what I understand, itwas pretty much uh, you know, a
nasty custody dispute.
Well, they had they had theythey had sharing.
They were Yeah, they hadsomething in their divorce.
She kept all three kids.
She did initially, but there wassome clause in the divorce
decree that says when a childrenturn 14, they can make a
decision on where they want togo.
I think that's still law todaybecause we It's not it's not in
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all decrees, but it is a lawthat if you bring them to court,
then they can, you know, go infrom the judge and they can make
a decision.
But unless it's like written inthe decree, uh you have to go
back to court to get it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
But it but if it's in thedecree, they can just sign a
paper and saying this is what Iwant to do and done.
So yeah, it's probably it'sprobably true.
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I mean, I don't know.
I I just thought it wasinteresting.
Like, this is in her decree.
And I'm like, oh wow, that'skind of interesting.
And so, um, so when herdaughter turned 14, decided she
wanted to live with her dad.
And I guess for this poorShirley lady, she didn't handle
that very well.
She was kind of upset, kind ofangry, and uh, I guess probably
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a couple years went by and shethought her sons were gonna do
the same thing.
Because when the next son isturning 14.
Yeah, that's correct.
He was 13, and then he turned14.
And let's just say I think shewas afraid that things were
gonna repeat themselves.
So in June 19th, 1974, thatevening, uh she was so full of
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animosity and resentment thatShirley then embarked on a
murder spree.
That lasted from her basicallyall the way from Lowell to West
Fork.
Yeah.
So she started at her house andshe killed both her sons.
Yes.
Killed them both.
Yeah.
And then got in her car, droveacross town to Springdale, where
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she went to her ex-husband'shouse, this Jimmy guy.
And killed him.
And called her daughter out andsaid, It's mom and shoots her.
Yeah.
She's like, Who's there?
It's your mother.
Boom.
And that crazy.
That's I don't know how theyknow that.
I guess she told them that inthe later on.
Probably she confessed to someof it, I'd imagine.
Yeah.
Then she drove all the way overto the home of Joanne Brody,
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Jimmy's half sister.
Jimmy's half sisters, not evenhis sister.
Has nothing to do with any ofthis.
Yeah, and shot shot and killedher.
Shot and killed her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
What the heck is going on?
And then she drove to I guessif she wouldn't have done.
No, she wasn't done.
How many?
She's got six or five now.
She's killed five people in thematter of about three hours.
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Yeah.
Nobody has a clue what's goingon.
No.
The cops don't know.
There's no 911 back then.
No.
It's you know, you have to callzero, tell the operator, give me
the police.
Or you have to know the policenumber.
Yeah, you had yeah, it was inthe phone book.
Yeah, maybe there was 911 in NewYork City, but there was no 911
in Lowell Springdale, WestFork.
I don't even remember when wegot 911.
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I really it was 80s, late 80s, Ithink.
Yeah, because I remember myparents teaching us how to like
dial zero and what to say ifthere was an emergency, if
something happened.
Or like an we're in the phonebook to look for the police
number.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You had to you had to put theyou had to look it up every
time.
Yeah, you had to look it up,yeah.
And then they had one for likeemergencies and then one for
non-emergencies.
Yeah, they still have thenon-emergency numbers, but now
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the emergency number is just911.
But I do know that when youcall 911 uh from a cell phone,
good luck getting to the rightpre right place.
Song (29:09):
Really?
Paul G (29:10):
Because I've called 911 in the past, uh, because there's
I had this one woman who wascrossing the street by my old
work.
Oh, this lady was so sad.
Oh yeah.
This one lady, this girl in thisin this van was on her phone.
This lady, this little oldlady's trying to cross the
street and she just smacks her,knocks her.
She knocked her about 30 feet.
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She's just sliding flat on thepavement, just just spinning.
When you went in the store, Ithought you were gonna talk
about one of yourex-girlfriends.
What?
For a minute you said thiswoman, and I was thinking, oh
no, it's gonna be anex-girlfriend store.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't have I never called 911of my ex girlfriends.
I don't know.
You dated some crazies.
Oh, I dated some crazies, butthey also knew who they were
dealing with, and they justsaid, okay.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You don't, you know, Paul says,We're done.
We're done.
I mean, yeah.
Have you met me?
Yeah.
People out there have not, buttrust me, it's Paul.
Yeah.
When I make up my mind, it'sdone.
It's over.
I'm through.
But uh no, this woman shouldget hit by this fan.
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This woman's texting.
And I called 911 and got likeRogers.
They had to transfer me over toSpringdale.
I hope things have improved forthat because everybody's got a
cell phone.
Nobody has a landline.
It depends on where the tower'sat.
Oh, yeah.
Wherever the tower picks up,then it says that's where it's
that's it's gonna choose tosend.
Maybe if maybe if we put someAI on that, it would get to the
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right place faster.
It didn't take very muchlonger, but it still burned
about 30 seconds.
30 seconds can mean someone'slife.
That woman did not survive.
Poor thing.
Well, she she got I was yellingat everybody, leave her alone,
leave her alone, don't move herbecause I didn't know she had a
back injury, a head injury.
Don't move her.
You move them if there's likesomething like it's gonna cause
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things in if she was on she wasclose to a fire, across a fire
or water or something else, it'sgonna cause her immediate
death.
And yeah, move them, but youdon't want to move somebody
unless you know what she wasdoing.
She was breathing, she wasgasping, and that agnal
breathing you were talkingabout.
That's what she was doing.
She was dying there.
It took her like almost a week.
Oh, that's awful.
Yeah, it was pretty awful.
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She never came out with a coma,though, so hopefully she never
noticed.
Still, it's sad.
I know.
In the words, don't text anddraft people.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
They called me up and said theywere trying to get me to
testify on that behalf of thelady driving.
And I'm like, no, she told mewhen she got out of the car.
I looked down at my phone forjust a second and boom, I hit
her.
I was like, Yeah, that's whathappens.
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Yeah, not good for you know,you're not a good witness for
the prosecution.
I mean you're a good witnessfor the prosecution, but not for
the defense attorney.
It's not a good thing for thedefense.
But uh, yeah, so this so aftershe killed these five people,
she decides to go to a guestthing.
It's Shirley Marie Curdy.
Goes to just outside of Armton,I think, sort of to um what
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drove to West was it West Fork,and then she shot her former
brother-in-law, who has nothingto do with that.
It didn't have anything to dowith that, nothing to do with
that.
She shot him twice, but hedidn't die.
Yeah.
So he's still right.
We could probably interviewhim.
I don't know.
He might be he might be too oldand dead.
But what gets me though theworst thing that is when she's
finally arrested, which we'reneeding we want to dig out like
how was she arrested?
Like, you know, did she she gotpulled over?
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We're gonna need it's more ifit's more a foyer request for
this one, yeah.
Yeah, so she what she says isvery shocking to me.
I missed the sixth one, didn'tI?
That's what she asked theofficers.
That's like cold, man.
She had a suicide note and sherecorded a bunch of tapes.
Yeah, tapes of what she wasthinking and doing.
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Yeah, which you know we couldprobably get that transcript.
That'd be I don't know, man.
It's gonna be disturbing.
Yeah.
But you know, stopped, didn'tit?
No, we're still going.
We got audio truck.
So pretty much the sweet lady,not sweet, but Miss Chirley,
what did she do?
She's not a sweet lady, man.
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I'm not just a caught callousbitch.
What did she do?
She gets to spend some time inArkansas State Hospital for the
mentally ill.
Yeah, and they put her in there.
Uh, when was that?
They they arrested her thatday.
And on June 20th, on June 20th,that day, right?
Yeah.
Uh, but they you know, he's shehad gotten stopped earlier in
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the day on Weddington, where Iused to live.
Yeah.
Right there by where I used tolive.
She had a 38 38 in her seat.
Yeah.
And the cop let her go beforeshe did all this.
Oh, that's messed up.
Yeah.
That is so messed up.
So messed up.
Uh, so anyway, but theybasically this doctor's estate,
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please said, hey, she's mentallyill and legally irresponsible
at the time of the killings.
Yeah.
Paranoid schizophrenia andpsychotic delusion.
You said the devil directed heractions.
Which, you know, that defense isnot used hardly anymore because
it's really super hard to proveand a lot of people.
Well, ever since Berkowitz.
Yeah, you died.
That guy's in the dog made me doit.
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And then he ended up lying thewhole time.
Yeah, he was lying the wholetime.
So it's like nobody, it's it'sa dog is telling you to do
something.
First, don't do it, becausehe's probably not a dog, he's
probably just you being crazy.
And two, uh, it's not gonnahold up in court, even if he did
tell you.
Yeah, so basically she My dogtold me to feed him.
Yeah, because that's what dogsdo, not to tell you to kill
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somebody.
Well, unless you want to feedthem to him, I guess.
So basically, she's hanging outin the you know Arkansas State
Hospital until about 1978.
But pretty much said, hey,she's okay to stand trial.
Yeah, and they and then and thenwhen they did take her to
trial, it was a jury couldn'tmake it couldn't make up their
mind.
It was half of them thoughtthey were just nuts.
Hung jury.
(34:50):
I think I would like to see thenotes from that.
Yeah, because all this ispublic or we can get all this
publicly.
I just think it's interesting,like you know, hung jury.
Why why she blatantly went outthere and shot these people
because she was mad that thechildren didn't want to live
with her anymore.
Obviously, we know why.
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She's nuts.
Well, okay, okay.
I I know what it's like to havea child live with another
parent, but you don't go shootthem.
I don't know, you shot yourswith an arrow, but I should I'm
not proud of it, not my proudestmoment.
But I guess maybe she was like,Okay, um, you had one of my
kids, I'm not letting the restof my kids go, so I'm gonna kick
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kill everybody.
Honestly, she should have gotthe death penalty.
Yeah, I I don't disagree withthat, but she never got out of
prison, though.
Like she she they transferredher, they finally found her
confident and put her on jailtrial, and she went to jail the
rest of her life.
We think she died August rightaround August 3rd, 2015.
(35:56):
Yeah, there's no actualofficial record.
We just found in the tombstonerecords, yeah, that you can
search tombstones, that herdeath was August 3rd, 2015.
It's 79.
So she got to be 79 years old.
79, and she killed her kids,yeah, and she killed her
ex-husband, and she killed twoother people that had no idea.
That's how selfish you have tobe to do something like that.
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What I think this is my theory,y'all.
I think when the second kidturned 14 is when she went
crazy.
I think that she's like, Idon't want another another kid
living with my ex-husband.
Fuck y'all.
And I think she just decidedthat she was gonna take her kids
out, take him out, and I don'tknow, I don't know why the other
two people were taken out.
That makes no kill everybody.
I mean, if you're on herkilling spree and you're you're
already killing people.
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I mean her saying I didn't getthe sixth one.
That's not a sign of crazy.
That's a sign of just being anasshole.
You didn't call it thedifference, asshole versus ass.
But I understand, like, okay,this is like 74 when like not
even mental illness wasconsidered uh, you know, an okay
to talk about.
(36:58):
It didn't recently get okay totalk about till the past couple
years, really.
And now some people won't eventalk about it still.
Yeah, it's a taboo to certainpeople, but it shouldn't be.
But my thing is like, uh, didshe behave in prison?
Did she take her pills?
Did she she lost her inheritancemoney?
Yeah, she had a bunch ofinheritance money.
The state of Arkansas's like,no, no, no, that's ours.
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She took it because they theysaid the cost of imprisoning her
is 270,000 bucks so far.
And this was like 2007, and uhshe had $58,000 coming from
selling some land or something.
Yeah, and the state's like, no,that's mine.
Yeah, they took it, man.
It's gone.
That money is in the statecoffee.
Yep.
But but I don't know.
(37:41):
This is fascinating to mebecause I've we don't get that
we know of a lot of peoplerestless bree killers, or you
know, that kind of thing wherethey shoot a bunch of people,
yeah.
You know, uh maybe little rock,I don't know.
Well, it's comes down to beingjust people, I think.
Human beings can have the perpropensity to be nuts, but
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everybody has a breaking pointwhen they just go crazy.
And my thought thing, I wouldlove to dig more into her.
Like, what made her kids decideto go with their dad?
Maybe hey, I want to spend sometime with dad.
If they would have lived, wemight have had something to go
off of and and had some answershere.
But really, all we can do is toguess because she killed them
(38:23):
all.
Yeah, she killed them all.
But that's in NorthwestArkansas.
Who knew that this kind of wegot a mob stop bombing and then
a murder spree by a womannonetheless, which is very
unheard of.
Yeah, she just wanted to takeher whole family.
The other two people I stilldon't understand.
Yeah, there's it's it's it's herit's a common thing for women
(38:44):
to kill their kids.
Not common, but I mean, in theparlance of people who are
getting killed, like serialkillers and things like that,
committing violent crimes.
It's a common one of the topten things that women do when
they kill people, they killtheir kids for some ungodly
reason, but they do it.
It's happened over and over andover again.
Most women they drown them orsomething.
(39:05):
Yeah, we Andrew Eates drownedher.
Is it she the one that drownedher kids?
There's so many.
Or she no, she's the one, yeah,she drowned all of them in a
bathtub.
And there's another woman thatsunk them in the car in Memphis,
I think it was.
I remember that.
It happens a lot, actually.
Enough to where it's in thezeitgeist.
But you know, like they don'tshoot them.
Most people most women are likeI say, we're passive, we'd
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rather like give you poison orfreaking drown.
Yeah, yeah.
Poisoning is the number onemethod of murder for women.
There was another incidence inArkansas that we need to cover
too.
That's it's very very sad caseabout a woman who um she got
electric, went to the electricchair for it or lethal
injection, I think, at the time,but she killed her two kids um
basically because she didn'twant to live anymore and she
(39:47):
didn't want them to beseparated.
And that's what's dumb.
I I want to say it was in the80s, late 80s, 90s.
I'll have to look it up.
I can't remember.
But, anyways, she tried to killthem with potassium.
She's a nurse, tried to killthem with potassium.
Potassium chloride.
And when the boy, the young boy,was screaming so bad because it
burns your veins, it's caustic.
She just decides that okay, I'mgonna suffocate them.
(40:07):
That's why they give you so manydrugs when they give you the
electric or the needle in thearm at the at the prison, is
because that's what they killyou with.
Is that medicine, but it hurtsso bad that they had to give you
a bunch of other medicinefirst.
Yeah, they give a cocktail, if Iremember correctly.
Anyways, we'll look at moreinformation on that.
I don't cocktail.
Why don't they just do that?
Just give them cocktails tillthey die of alcohol poisoning.
Uh I don't know.
(40:29):
Never mind.
But here's my firing squadsactually sounds better.
Here's my thing, but anybody whokills their own children is a
special place in hell for you.
I mean, no offense.
I don't have any kids, so Icould understand that, but I can
empathize, but I can'tsympathize.
Yeah, I couldn't fathom.
That's why I'm like, well, morefollow-on the one little rock
when we get more information.
I think it was out of LittleRock around Little Rock.
(40:50):
We'll find out.
And you've also been looking onthat, you've been looking at uh
missing people's cases.
Yes, thing called theDonetwork.com guys, go on there,
it's super interesting.
Obviously, some of these peoplehave been found and they
sponsor certain cases everymonth, but they um some of them
have names and a little bit ofsee if I'm on there.
You're not dead, you're talkingto me.
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What I'm missing.
What if I'm missing?
What if my parents aren't myparents?
Then go look on there.
I don't know.
The correct answer is I met yourfather and your mother, yeah,
and you're definitely their kid.
Yeah.
Because that's actually quiteprevalent if you know my dad.
Yeah.
But this what's cool about thisis you can go on there.
It's a couple that I'd like toget some research on about uh
(41:32):
one out of Telequah, um Telequaarea.
Basically, this lady um decidedthat she wanted to go meet some
guy in Tulsa who might give hera job and she never came home.
Yeah, what about the one thatwas um going to a concert?
That's what you've been talkingabout lately.
Penny Doe out of Pennsylvania.
I found uh honestly throughFacebook just looking around.
(41:53):
This is a very fascinatingcase.
There's not a lot ofinformation on it.
So I'm gonna have to really digdeep on this one, but it was
they don't even know who shewas.
Her body was found by somekids, and they don't really know
her name.
They don't just call her PennyDoe because she had two pennies,
one in each pocket.
Um, some jewelry was stolen,they think, they suspect.
But around that time, there wasa rock concert going on in
Pennsylvania where people werethe band.
(42:13):
I honestly don't recognize thebands that were on the list when
I read newspapers.
What year?
Uh, I want to say it was in the70s or 80s.
I'm not positive.
No, no, I need to look it up.
It could be later than that.
But what I what struck me waswe don't know who she is, we
don't know anything about her.
A rock concert was going on,they were having a lot of people
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come from out of town.
They named her Penny Doebecause of what the pennies were
in her pocket.
I just found it veryinteresting that we still have
people out there that areunidentified.
Well, we when we go down theI-49 corridor, I-40 corridor, we
go into the pilots and whatnot.
And they take them downrecently, I think, because we
remember we were seeing that wehad missing flyers, missing
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people flyers up everywhere.
There was a huge board of peoplethat were missing on I-40.
I-40, which is a pretty commonroad.
I mean between Little Rock anduh in um um Oklahoma City.
Yeah, and it goes even further,but it was like people were
like the I-40 killer, theycaught that guy, but they say
they estimated there was likefive more guys doing it.
(43:16):
Yeah.
When they caught him.
So it just like I would tell mykids when they're older, like,
you know, stop at a big place toget gas, be careful, blah,
blah, blah.
Because when you walk intothese places, it's like a giant
wall of like missing persons.
Andrea (43:28):
Yeah.
Paul G (43:29):
And it's just super scary.
Where, you know, I've gotpeople in a girl at college, a
girl that's graduating highschool, have another girl that's
still in high school.
I mean, they're these are theage groups of men and women that
are missing.
Mostly women.
Mostly women, unfortunately.
Yeah.
Well, like back in the day,hitchhiking got a lot of girls
killed, a lot of girls killed,which is interesting.
(43:49):
Why I it went from not gettingpeople killed to that's the main
reason why they were gettingkilled.
Yeah, and it's so mind-blowingto me.
Like, why would you get in acar with a stranger?
Well, it used to be you couldtrust them.
Yeah.
And that's, I guess, the 70s isabout drugs and hitchhiking.
I think it changed becauseyou're the the people that were
driving around were able to gofurther than they were before.
(44:11):
Because in the 40s and 50s, Idon't think they could go as far
because gasoline cars, youknow, but in the but they
started building interstates inthe late 50s and they weren't
done with them till the early60s.
So and Eisenhower started thatbecause he wanted to be able to
get the the in just in case theRussians invaded, he wanted to
(44:33):
be able to get as much of thearmy across the country as fast
as possible.
So he built the interstate.
That's what the interstateswere built for.
No, makes sense.
And that's why they're that'swhy they're really up north and
really down south, and notreally where they need to be,
the old ones.
Yeah, the new ones are gettingthere because it's there's a
different reason for doing itnow.
But at the time, they justwanted to get as much military
(44:55):
equipment across the country asfast as possible to stop any
invasion.
No, that makes sense.
That was Eisenhower's thought,anyway.
And uh, so I think it's just umI think what happened was it's
just access.
These guys wanted to killpeople, but they didn't have
access.
Well, now they have a lot ofaccess.
Now they have the internet andall sorts of other things,
(45:16):
right?
But now we have a better way tocatch them.
However, you know, we also seelike the the school shooters and
things like that, right?
We think that's a modern thing.
It's not.
No, it's been around for a longtime.
Yeah, there was I 19 uh 1940s.
Uh, there was a guy doing it.
He shot up a school, nobodyreported on it.
You can look it up.
(45:36):
It's I I have to go look it upagain.
Then you got the guy from thebell tower in the in the what
the 50s or 60s, then Texas.
Yeah, that was a really badthing.
Yeah, and it's the samereasoning he's shooting up as
we're doing now.
So we've been doing this for avery long time.
It's just now we're seeing itmore because we have access to
the information.
We don't have to rely on someidiot at a newspaper going,
(45:59):
well, I really want a happystory this week because I got a
Jim Bob down here that owns aFord dealership.
He needs to sell some cars.
You know, sure, something likethat's probably true.
Nobody wants to talk about thatkind of stuff.
Yeah, now everybody wants totalk about that kind of stuff.
Well, it's because everybodywanted to talk about it then.
There just was only so manyoutlets.
(46:19):
Yeah.
Now there's a thousand outletsper person.
I mean, we're doing a podcastand very few people listen to in
the overall scheme of things,right?
Yeah, it's compared to some, butyou gotta start somewhere.
Well, no, I'm I'm not yeah, I'mnot down in it.
I'm just saying there's so muchnoise out there, it's hard to
find the good ones.
Yeah, so more to follow on thesecases that we're looking into.
(46:39):
I'm gonna send some FOIAs in.
You can go online and do itnow.
You don't have to actually fillout the form, get it notarized,
and fax it in now, you just doit online.
That is nice.
Yeah, it used to be even 2018.
You had to do like extrapaperwork to get the FOIA.
Well, I guess if you want theinformation that bad, you're
gonna work for it.
Yeah, well, it's the only newsorganizations.
Now everybody wants them.
(47:00):
So they're like, I'm tired ofthis paper, let's do it
electronically and let thecomputer gather up all the
information and spit it out sothat there didn't have to be
somebody sitting there doingresearch all the time.
Yeah since we're digitizing allof our archives.
Andrea (47:12):
Yeah.
Paul G (47:13):
I don't know about the small town.
Springdale, probably, I wouldthink maybe they digitized their
archives.
I would hope.
I really would hope.
They may not have gone back thatfar, though.
I don't know.
Maybe so anyway, so um I've gotI'm gonna try to do another
voices here in the next fewweeks and get that up and going
so we can have just because Iwant to.
(47:34):
What do you think?
Go for it.
I like them.
Do you like them?
I do.
Oh, okay.
But do you listen to them?
I listen to them as you'repicking them.
That's not that's not listeningto them.
You hear me go, and in herewe're gonna find a hey man,
(47:56):
guys.
This is not as easy as you thinkit is.
No, it's not as easy.
Yep, we do better live.
It's not cut.
No, we have fun, more fun justdoing that live.
So if we screw up our words orsay things weird, don't send a
tape mail, guys.
(48:16):
Oh god, don't know give us yourideas for merch, for things you
want to hear about, things youwant to know.
Yeah, go to www.palgnewton.com,paulgnewton.com, and you can
find all of our crap that comingout stuff there.
You do have some cool hoodies.
(48:36):
I have a hoodie.
People are really interested init for some reason.
I don't know why.
Like it's all these hits, butnobody ever buys one.
Buy one.
Somebody out there buy one anduh buy a coffee cup for like
$12.
And put we'll put a memo.
I need stickers.
There's a sticker that says, Ohmy god, Paul's stop, which you
did not do this time.
Oh, that's true.
I didn't.
Oh god, what's wrong with me?
(48:58):
I told you, you're kind of downtoday.
I'm tired.
Hey guys, we've been out in theheat.
I this wasn't that odd.
It was like 75 degrees.
It was 80.
Anyways, guys, you buysomething, we'll put a memo line
out there and we'll give you ashout out in the podcast.
Yeah, if they're listening.
If you're listening, somebodyout there.
Or if you know our phonenumbers, call us.
(49:19):
Yeah.
I mean, that's creepy, but goahead.
If your friends call us, we loveyou.
Yeah, only if your friends.
If your haters don't call me, Idon't want to know.
You can send me an email.
You can send me a hate mail allday long.
We want to know, but not thehate mail.
Yeah, because they're weappreciate feedback, but if I
don't know, hate mail is fine.
I'll read I'll read that on theair.
Yeah, you would.
If it's any good.
(49:40):
Yeah, you wouldn't read that.
Anyways, guys, we love ya.
Check out our check outeverything on the website.
It's she's it's mostly mebecause she's busy with an
actual job.
So yeah, I'll Paul GNewton.com.
And I guess that's it.
So my
I need to know everything.
Who in the what and the where Ineed everything.
Trust me, I hear what you'resaying, but I like this knew
what you're telling me.
I'm curious, George.
I'm happy to pull it.
Paul G (00:23):
So welcome to things.
I wanna know.
Yeah, we're letting him talk uptheir still using the curious
George song.
I wanna know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You wanna know?
Andrea (00:36):
I guess I wanna know.
Paul G (00:38):
So Andrea is here with me.
Andrea has had a recent change.
We both had a recent change,actually.
I moved into Andrea's house.
Andrea (00:48):
Well, you moved in when we lived in Eureka Springs.
Paul G (00:51):
Yeah, but I was doing living in Fayeville when all
this first started.
Andrea (00:54):
No, I think we did some podcasts at Adult House.
Paul G (00:56):
At the adult house?
Andrea (00:58):
Old House.
Paul G (00:59):
Old House.
Yes.
I was like, well, I guess itcould have been
because I remember we had towork off the kitchen table and
the internet and we were talkingto somebody.
And the cats.
Andrea (01:09):
And the cats, yes.
They would like to walk acrossand annoy the hell out of Paul.
Pretty much.
Paul G (01:15):
Yes, very much so.
And now I have an office.
Andrea (01:19):
And I have an office.
Paul G (01:20):
Yes, but your door's always open.
Andrea (01:22):
Well, I have cats.
Anybody who has catsunderstands.
Paul G (01:26):
Yeah, I don't care.
The cats can offend.
And they don't bug me.
Andrea (01:29):
No, but you get mad when they don't like you.
Paul G (01:32):
No.
I don't get mad when they don'tlike me.
Not anymore.
Because there's two of them.
They won't leave me alone.
Andrea (01:37):
Oh, yeah, that's true.
Paul G (01:38):
We have a cat named Bitchy Kitty.
Andrea (01:40):
Which I know sounds awful, but that's the only name
she responds to.
Paul G (01:43):
Well, she's is she or is she not a bitchy cat?
Andrea (01:48):
She is kind of a bitchy cat.
Paul G (01:50):
Just kind of a bitchy cat?
You look at her strange and shegoes, What?
Exactly.
Exactly.
And then so we've moved backinto civilization.
I I no longer have to turn thelimiters on on the microphones
to drown out the banjos thatplayed in the background when we
were recording out in Eureka.
Andrea (02:08):
It was not that bad.
It was not that bad.
To him, civilization is beingwithin Walmart within 10
minutes.
Paul G (02:16):
No, no.
Andrea (02:18):
You like the fact that we moved to Pea Ridge,
Paul G (02:20):
but we had a grocery store within 10 minutes of where
we were in
Andrea (02:24):
Yeah, but I'm talking like Walmart or something that
doesn't like jack up prices.
Paul G (02:29):
Well, it's out there too, though.
It was it's better now becauseout there they had maybe a tooth
instead of teeth.
Oh some of the people.
Andrea (02:38):
Oh god stop.
People had teeth.
Paul G (02:41):
Yeah, one.
Andrea (02:42):
Oh Lord, it's not that bad.
It really was not that bad.
Paul G (02:45):
Between the banjos and the helitosis, I didn't know
what to do.
Oh Lord.
Sorry, Eureka Springs.
Well, we all know it's not thatbad.
I'm also I I can't remember.
I've told everybody I'm an ass.
Andrea (02:58):
Not an asshole.
Paul G (02:59):
That's right.
There's a difference.
There's a difference between anass and an asshole.
Anyhow.
Andrea (03:04):
Yeah, we also had some other changes.
Paul G (03:07):
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What was that?
Andrea (03:09):
We got married.
Paul G (03:10):
Oh, we did?
Andrea (03:11):
Yes, in May.
Paul G (03:14):
I I attempted to stay completely drunk the entire
time.
Andrea (03:17):
Uh well, you we had fun at the reception.
Paul G (03:19):
Actually, you were more drunk than I am.
Andrea (03:21):
Well, it was nerve-wracking.
Paul G (03:23):
The last time I drank was at the wedding.
Andrea (03:25):
Yeah, that's true.
Paul G (03:26):
Which was in May.
May, yeah.
Andrea (03:28):
Yeah, but we're married, so I have a new last name.
Paul G (03:31):
New last no, you're not yet.
Andrea (03:33):
Hey, for anybody out there to change your name, it's
a big pain in the butt.
You have to go, uh, go to thesocial security office.
You have to make anappointment, and then you take
that, and then you have to takeit, get your driver's license,
and then everything elsechanges.
But it took three months to getto the social security office.
Paul G (03:48):
And you still haven't got your driver's license
because you have to make anappointment for that too.
Andrea (03:51):
Yeah, and that's in two weeks, three weeks, something
like that.
So in October.
Paul G (03:54):
It's in so it's still not final.
Andrea (03:56):
It's lot final in the eyes of Social Security.
That's enough.
Paul G (04:00):
We were up at the uh up at the uh um office getting the
marriage license, and they madeus sign an affidavit that if we
didn't bring it back within ahundred or a hundred or ninety
days.
Ninety days, yeah.
90 days of of getting thelicense and getting married.
We had 90 days.
That they I'd have to pay $150for not bringing it back.
(04:21):
And I looked at her and said,Oh, I see.
So it's a uh return fee if Idon't, if I need to not if I
want to return it.
I forgot the word you use it.
You used a uh uh um 90-day ninenine, what was it?
90-day uh trial period.
Yeah, 90-day trial.
It was a 90-day trial, like youget on the internet, you know.
You get a 90-day trial, you getit, you don't have to pay it
(04:42):
for three months.
Yeah, and when we brought themarriage license back, the whole
ladies thought it was funnywhen you told them that there
there is a trial or you got itback before.
There is a trial.
I got it back before the trialwas over, so I guess I'll take
it.
My thing is like if you don'treturn it, what are they gonna
do?
Uh put a warrant out for 150bucks?
Send you a bill for the 150dollars.
(05:03):
That's hilarious.
And people won't pay it, so Idon't understand how that's
even.
But you know, it's just arestocking fee.
I don't know.
I you're not paying attentionto my jokes.
Restocking fee.
I asked the girls, I said, isthere is there a waiting period
or like a uh you know, returnperiod or something like that of
(05:24):
change of mind?
And they're like, no.
I and so we go goofed off aboutthat for a minute, but then
they told me if I don't bring itback in 90 days, they charge me
150 bucks.
I said, so if I don't, so if Iwant don't bring it back before
90 days, it's 150 bucks.
They're like, yeah.
So that means there is a trialperiod.
Yes, and you had the wholeoffice laughing.
(05:46):
If I just don't bring it back,I'm not married.
Doesn't get entered into the uhWashington or Benton County
record.
That's true, yeah.
So you're not married.
That's hilarious, though.
But 90-day waiting period.
90-day waiting period.
No, no, no, no, not any 90-daytrial period.
Trial period.
Yes, trial period with a $150restocking fee.
(06:08):
Restocking fee.
Put me back on the shelf.
No, no, no, yeah.
Back in the box.
In the box.
In the box.
I'm sure there's lots of peopleout there that have they're
screaming at the radio rightnow.
Shut up, bitch.
You're saying these things.
I'm just kidding, people.
Come on, have you met me?
Probably not, but if you did,you'd be like, eh, he's just
(06:28):
screwing around.
It's just Paul.
Yeah, I'm an ass.
Not an asshole.
But not an asshole.
Because I actually did bringthe marriage certificate back to
be recorded within a week ofbeing married.
Yeah, we did.
We got it clear.
So there.
I don't think anybody reallycares.
(06:48):
They might.
Anyways, what are we going tobe talking about today?
I don't know.
What are we talking abouttoday?
Wait, I do know there's onething we need to talk about.
And it's what I've been doingcalled Things I Wanna Know
Voices.
Oh, yes, I'm that's correct.
And you really haven't hadanything to do with that because
I've been wanting to recordsome stuff and write some
(07:10):
stories because I do a lot ofwriting.
You can follow me on Substack,Paul G.
Newton on Substack.
Uh, and all my writings there.
I got some really cool storieslaying around there too.
You you do have some good stuffon there.
Uh I did a whole series onVatican Rat lines, which is
where they snuck Nazis out ofGermany at post-World War II.
(07:31):
Uh the the Catholic Church wasin on it.
Yeah, I do know that.
It's kind of a dark stain on theWell at the same time, it's a
good story that I wrote becauseit was, you know, it's basically
you learn about the rat lineswithout actually having to
learn.
It's just a thing.
And then I got the story aboutFinland where they're stealing
(07:52):
oil.
That one's good.
You should really elaboratemore on that.
Well, you know, I haven't hadanybody read on it.
But what I've been doing latelyuh is the voices for the
podcast.
And uh where it's telling thestories, and I've told the story
about uh kind of like inhistory daily kind of style.
Which is a nice format.
Well, it's yeah, but it's alsomy spin on it because I'm not
(08:15):
really doing it like them, youknow, because they have voices
and sound uh you know, somestuff like that.
Um like I don't have extrapeople, it's just me.
So I have to just read it.
Well, I did one on um oh gosh,the the penicillin guy.
Oh no, that one was interestingthough, because we all know
(08:35):
about penicillin and you knowhow it came to be and it
revolutionized medicine and andeverything like that.
But your little spin on it, Ithink is kind of cool how you
but it was the way it happenedthough.
Yeah.
It's just we don't know aboutthat whole story because it took
him he he discovered it 10-15years before it even got used.
(08:56):
Yeah, when he tried didn't hetry it on himself?
No, he didn't try it onhimself.
But uh he might have, but hejust didn't tell anybody he was
doing that.
I mean it revolutionizedmedicine and you know now it's a
very common drug allergy.
Well, it probably was then too,if you think about that.
Well, maybe.
I mean, everybody could beallergic to something.
It doesn't matter if it's foodor if it's uh medicine or if
(09:18):
it's an insect or anything likethat.
I'm allergic to a lot of things.
Oh, really?
I hate to uh I was I don'tknow.
I'm allergic to penicillin, soI'm allergic to jerks.
Oh, yeah, that's probably true.
Yeah.
Because I have this reallystrong reaction when somebody's
an asshole around me.
(09:40):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't go well.
Asses I can tolerate because youknow I'm used to it because I
talk to myself the same way Italk to everybody else.
They're bitch picturing youtalking to yourself with a
mirror.
Oh no, I don't need a mirror.
Oh, you don't need a mirror.
It's an internal dialogue.
I have an in I have a very vividimagination.
(10:01):
That's why you write.
That's also why I argue withmyself.
Oh well, yeah.
And uh the weirdest part was onetime I slapped myself.
Please tell me to do thatliterally.
Okay, I won't tell you.
Okay, that sounds good.
All right, what's this story?
But the the the voices though,uh what do you think about what
I've been doing?
Because you haven't beeninvolved in it.
(10:23):
I've just been listening to itas you've been doing it in your
office, and I'm in mine, but Ithink I mean we tried to bomb
them.
We were gonna send a nuclearweapon to the moon and set it
off.
I think that is the mostasinine, stupid thing we could
have possibly.
Carl Sagan was in on that.
That's just hello.
The moon changes our tides andlike helps our oceans.
Yeah, don't don't fuck with themoon.
(10:43):
Don't fuck with the moon.
You know, if we terraform themoon and put a bunch of water up
there, it would change itsweight.
And if we put enough water onthe moon to actually make an
ocean, it might screw with ouroceans.
Yeah, but what's bombing themoon gonna show anybody that
we're like?
No, they're gonna show theRussians that we can blow them
up.
Or that or think we're idiots.
(11:05):
Well, they were trying to do thesame thing.
Well, yeah.
So listen to that one.
It's a brand well, I didn'tknow anything about it until he
started doing some research andstuff on it.
Yeah.
And I was like, I'm then glad.
I'm glad that you know theydidn't do that.
I got this really interestingthing I'm thinking about about
Castro.
Oh, yeah, Mr.
Castro.
Yeah, Cuba.
I'm doing some research intothat because I think it'd be
(11:26):
interesting to know just howmany times he's been uh an
assassination attempt has beenattempted on Mr.
Cuba Castro.
I think you told me it was ahuge amount, and I kept thinking
if we don't want to advertisehow many times we screwed up,
it's way past a hundred guys.
They broke it, they didn't do itgood on any of them.
It's missed every time.
That's we don't need to beadvertised.
(11:48):
He's either that or he's youknow, he can replicate himself.
Who knows?
Maybe he's an alien.
I don't know.
Yeah, see there now you're ontosomething.
But I don't know.
I when he told me that, you gotwhen you when you got when he
puts it out, listen to it,because I remember going, that
is not something that the FBIreally wants to advertise how
many times they screwed up.
So I guess now we're kind ofgetting into the meat of things.
(12:09):
We're supposed to go in back towhat you're here for, what
everyone's listening for, right?
Yes.
Bring on the suspense.
I do this live, just so youknow.
It's uh I got a little boredover here, but it keeps stopping
on recording.
I don't know.
I don't get it.
(12:29):
It's like, hello, technology.
You love it or you hate it.
Or it hates you.
I agree with that.
I'm not saying it's aliens, butit's aliens.
Yes.
So you know, Springdale,Arkansas.
I grew up in Springdale.
She grew up in Rogers.
Mm-hmm.
Springdale, maybe when Igraduated high school, I had
maybe 40,000 people.
What was it, Rogers?
25?
I honestly don't know.
(12:51):
I just wanted out, I think.
Well, I know how manygraduating my class, but I don't
remember how many was the time.
We had 500 and something.
So it was pretty big.
Yeah.
Well, I compersed people werehave were perkurating much more
than Springdale's people.
Oh God.
I don't want to think aboutthat.
Because you're only 25,000versus 40,000, and you have the
same amount of class.
I mean, come on.
(13:11):
Uh we were a little bit more, Ithink.
Randy.
Roll out here.
What are you gonna do?
Randy.
There's nothing to do.
Yeah, but that's the thing, isthere's nothing to do.
There's more babies born.
That's true.
I mean, now there's thepopulation's going down because
boys are like, no, I have videogames, go away.
Well, COVID, they didn't haveanything to do, and there was a
big COVID baby boom.
(13:33):
COVID babies, yeah.
They're in Kevin.
I thought a COVID baby.
When you say COVID baby, I justthink of like a green monster
with like weird eyes.
No, I just know that's awful.
That it's a COVID baby, run.
You know, a lot of parents weredidn't have anything to do when
babies came later, so and butback in 1972, neither one of us
(13:56):
were here.
No, I was born in 77.
Yeah, and I was not born in 72.
Actually, I'm 497 years old, sobut I was living somewhere
else.
Oh, yeah.
Yes, in your own planet.
Yes, no, I'm not a Mormon.
Thank you very much.
I'm sorry for you, Mormon Mormonlisteners.
Well, he's not being being I'mnot nice, I'm an ass, remember?
Yeah, he's not trying to becompletely mean, so don't block
(14:17):
me.
I'm not being asshole.
I'm just being an ass.
Yes, you're Paul.
Yes, I'm Paul.
Thank you very much.
And for uh, you know, once ourtherapy session is almost over.
Um, anyway.
But back in 1972, there wasthis like mob style thing going
on at the police, SpringdalePolice Department of all things.
(14:40):
And when we're talking a policedepartment that has maybe
probably about 30 people workingthere, because the town wasn't
that big in 72.
It's probably 25,000, 30,000.
Yeah, that's probably aboutright.
Maybe not even that.
So when you think of mob style,what goes to your head
instantaneously?
Well, they had the uh uh, oh, itwas Rhode Island.
Uh, what's the town in RhodeIsland?
(15:01):
Uh the one that um umProvidence, Providence, Rhode
Island.
It it there was a whole podcastabout Providence, Rhode Island,
uh called Crimetown.
And those guys blew each otherup with car bombs all the time.
They didn't like somebody, theyput a car bomb in his car and
boom, it blew up.
That's how they killed him.
(15:22):
Or they take him out in thewoods and you know, kill him and
give them the pigs.
They did that too.
Yeah, you know, pigs will eatanything.
Well, almost anything.
Yeah, that's true.
Never mind.
Anyhow, let's move on.
Um but car bombs is how theygot rid of people they wanted to
(15:43):
go away in Providence.
And who knew Providence, RhodeIsland was that big of a mob
town?
It was a huge mob town.
The mayor of Rhode Island orProvidence, Rhode Island, was
freaking involved in the mob.
Yep.
He killed a guy in his in hishouse with the fire poker,
fireplace poker, the mayor ofProvidence, and didn't go to
(16:04):
jail for it.
Well, Arkansas's not quite that.
No, no.
See, you asked me what I'mtalking about, mob well, that's
what I'm thinking about.
But so we had a car bombing in1972 on a police attempted
murder on a police officer.
Yes, the bomb was foundunderneath his car.
I mean, underneath his the hisside of the car, the driver's
(16:24):
side.
Yeah, his driver's seat.
And he was backing out andkaboom.
Yeah, he was leaving work.
He's been on shift all night.
Yeah, he was a lieutenant.
What was his name?
Uh his name is Carl Martins.
Carl Martins.
Yeah, he was a lieutenant,wasn't he?
Yeah, if I remember correctly,yeah.
You were saying he was likereally young to be a lieutenant.
I want to say he was in hismid-20s when I read this.
(16:46):
We we we love newspapers.com,by the way.
Well, she does.
I don't because they don't tellme everything.
Well, they're not they're notomnipotent like I asked them to
be.
It is newspapers, and it was the70s, so you know omnipotent
newspapers, yeah, something likethat.
But, anyways, you know, ourthought processes was what why
would there be a bomb?
(17:07):
Why would there like why wouldyou bomb a police office?
And then Springdale freakingArkansas, it's like Podunk City,
you know, central.
But you know, my first thoughtwas, oh, he's got a pissed-off
wife or ex-girlfriend orsomething on the side or
something, and she's not happy.
And who knows?
Maybe they put it in the wrongcar.
That could be we're not we'renot actually we're just gonna
throw around some theoriesbecause there is no answer to
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this case.
I mean, they they went on for ayear, a year, and they couldn't
find anybody.
They had a grand jury for thisguy.
There was the FBI involved, ATF,ATF involved, and nobody can
find anything.
I find that very odd.
Yeah, yeah.
There's no records anywhere.
So we probably what we're gonnado, what I want to do when
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we're done here is I think I'mgonna put in a FOIA request.
Yeah, let's do it.
I mean, let's just see whathappened.
All they'll do is probably sendus a piece of paper, which is a
bunch of black, like marksharpies.
I don't know, Arkansas mightsend it to us because they're
pretty open.
I mean, Arkansas just recentlyhad started allowing the the
dash cam footage for their carchases for the state police.
It's it before they weren'tallowed, and the governor
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changed the governor changed it.
Yeah, so that's probably whyArkansas's on some cop shows.
Well, that's right.
That's why the Florida manexists, because Florida Man has
a law that says they have torelease everything.
Nothing can be held redactedunless it's going to help them
solve the crime.
Like, you know, we know we knowhe wore gloves, but he also
wore a clown mask.
Yeah.
And they just say, no, a man, agloved man killed this person.
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They don't say a glove, clownmasked man.
Yeah.
And so that way they heldsomething back so they can, you
know.
Yeah, I can get the person whodid it.
But you know, he just gets thisbomb, and so and it disappears
pretty much in the papers.
What what uh they had forever.
Like a year later, they maybebrought something, if I remember
correctly.
Yeah.
It wouldn't like you wouldthink like something like this
in the 70s would be on the frontpage of the newspapers for
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weeks.
And it was barely there.
It was barely there.
It was only let's say one, two,three, four, five, six, six
times did it even make thepaper.
Yeah.
And it was uh I mean, they getit.
What really what makes meinterested in this thing is not
that it's a bombing, not thathis girlfriend is upset because
of or whatever.
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It couldn't, we're not passingblame on anybody.
We're we're just kind of likewe don't know anything, so we're
like trying to figure this out.
So these are the things thatcome to mind.
Yeah, like that, or was youknow, in the 70s, it's everybody
knows the 70s is drugs.
Yeah.
I mean, we the 70s show.
I've watched a little bit ofthat.
They sit all sit around the smcircle and they're all smoking
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weed.
I mean, that's what you thinkof when it's that's what you
think of as a season.
That's not what I think of whenI think of the 70s.
I mean, I was born in the otherpart of the 70s, so all I have
references, like pictures of myparents and like what I read
about.
I mean, I don't have anyreference.
Documentaries and things likethat.
John Wayne Gacy, DTK, bellbottom jeans and long hair
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parted down the middle, thatkind of stuff.
But so I was I was willing tolet it go and say, no, this is
not something that's interestingat all.
But for somebody to blow up acar and then at the police
station trying to kill a copwho's a lieutenant, next this
next stop is being a detective,right?
Which I don't think he everbecame a detective.
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He might not wanted to beeither.
There's not a whole lot ofinformation we have on this
gentleman, and and and maybethat's for his own benefit a
good thing.
I think he may be still alive,actually, too.
But the same thing.
Maybe we could talk to him andget an interview him on the
podcast.
That'd be kind of cool.
That would be.
But the sad thing is, is like,you know, nowadays, if something
like that was to happen, itwould be like national news.
Yeah, it'd be like all over theplace.
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Well, depending upon where thewhere it happened, but you know,
not everyone.
Well, if it bleeds, it leads.
That's the mantra of uh themodern and back then, even.
But another thing we found outwas the fact that a grand jury
was issued.
That's what made me mostsuspicious.
There's a grand jury about thisgoing on.
So grand juries used to what areif there's a pretty much they
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they put it in front of peopleif there's enough and these
random people picked theirevidence the prosecutor does,
and if they the people in thisjury feel like there's enough to
convict someone, then they gowith charges.
Right.
And it didn't come of anything.
No, but it was also a grand juryinto that and other type of
jury.
I want those grand jury notes.
(21:25):
I want to know what hepresented.
I don't know if we could.
I don't know.
I've never been on a courtconnect for anything other than
like, you know, uh family stuff,but I've never been on there
for like Freedom of InformationAct, though.
I should be able to get a holdof it, you think?
I would think, but I mean, uhI've never ever sorry, the the
the storage building burneddown.
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There are no records.
That's what they did with mygrandfather's service record.
Yeah, this is a littledifferent.
But again, you know, I thinkyou have to prove like why it's
important.
I don't we've never done this.
I think you have to.
I think you just ask for itbecause the way I was reading a
FOIA request is I've never doneone.
We'll let you all know how we'lllet you how know how it goes.
Well, what I used to work for4029, ABC affiliate.
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I was their chief editor forabout five years.
And that's what they that'stheir bread and butter is FOIA.
Makes sense.
I mean so I you do get somethings.
I mean, but the here's theother thing, though, too.
When you combine that, thatthere's a grand jury, so there's
something going on that they'retrying to convict somebody.
Or or let me see if I remembercorrectly, that weren't they
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kind of like wanting to knowlike, is there any sinister
activity between the policedepartment and drug activity?
Possibly, possibly, because theFBI got involved.
And so did, you know, and sodid the ATF.
And when it comes to policemunicipalities, the way it's
supposed to work, and I'm notsaying this is the way it does
work, but the way it's supposedto work is that the Arkansas
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State Police is then supposed toinvestigate the police office,
police officers.
Andrea (22:52):
Yeah, right?
Paul G (22:53):
That's the hierarchy.
And then if the Arkansas StatePolice can't figure it out, then
it goes to the FBI.
But only if the FBI finds theFBI can't come on unless they
are crossing state lines ordoing some kind of federal
crime.
It has to be linked tosomething.
So if the FBI has charge overbank robberies, kidnappings, and
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multi-state crimes.
Correct.
But after that, they have to beasked to be on the site.
But my thing is I don't I wouldlike to believe there's nothing
sinister because why would youput that in front of a grand
jury?
Wait, so if you the policedepartment's messed up, I'm not
saying that it is, but let'sjust say hypothetically that
it's something to do with that.
Why would you want to put thatin front of a grand jury to just
put a big bullet on your headof hey, we're messing up?
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And this is 50 years ago, too.
So the times are completelydifferent.
I would like to think that thatwould be something that would be
hushed under the rug and neveraddressed.
They would, yeah.
If there was something going onin the police department,
they'd just be like, Yeah.
But he still remained a cop.
Yes.
So he didn't, they didn't thinkhe was doing anything wrong.
Mm-mm.
No, I don't think so.
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But the weird thing is, is likeshe's drinking wine.
Yes, I am.
I'm just whining.
Yes, you're not.
Hey! Hey, hey, hey, hey.
But I'm like, I'm like curious,like what what happened?
Why was nobody convicted?
You know, did he give somebodylike like in a case, make
somebody mad?
They get went to jail or the youknow, a prison, or was he on
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loan to the FBI as a as aundercover agent and went back
there and they figured out howhe was and bombed him?
I mean, any of these thingscould be possible because we
don't know.
I would like to think that ifyou got a traffic ticket, you
wouldn't be so angry you'd bombthe cop and give it to you.
But if you go back to 1972,1973, 1974, uh Springdale,
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Arkansas, it kind of was thatway, I think, because we have
this one crazy, a crazy bitch.
I'm just gonna say it rightnow.
Yeah, I uh yeah, she's ShirleyMarie Curry.
Yeah, I know she lived inLowell, which is just north.
Between like Rogers andSpringdale.
It's if you're if you mean byit's basically like one town to
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the next town to the next townon a highway, if you think about
it that way.
But this lady basically, youknow, got married like everyone
in the does, or in those days,the 70s, a lot of people got
married.
Yeah, to Jimmy Lee Curry.
And then she was she was bornin 1936.
So, I mean, she's she's alittle older than yeah, she's
about 10 years older than thanmost boomers.
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And you know, she has three kidsuh a girl and then two boys.
Sabrina, Richard, and Jesse, whoare we can talk about because
they're not around.
Oh, okay.
You know, think about it,they're not there, and so she
has these kids, and then I guessyou know, 1967, the marriage
probably didn't do so well, andthey got a divorce.
(25:46):
Yeah.
And from what I understand, itwas pretty much uh, you know, a
nasty custody dispute.
Well, they had they had theythey had sharing.
They were Yeah, they hadsomething in their divorce.
She kept all three kids.
She did initially, but there wassome clause in the divorce
decree that says when a childrenturn 14, they can make a
decision on where they want togo.
I think that's still law todaybecause we It's not it's not in
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all decrees, but it is a lawthat if you bring them to court,
then they can, you know, go infrom the judge and they can make
a decision.
But unless it's like written inthe decree, uh you have to go
back to court to get it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
But it but if it's in thedecree, they can just sign a
paper and saying this is what Iwant to do and done.
So yeah, it's probably it'sprobably true.
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I mean, I don't know.
I I just thought it wasinteresting.
Like, this is in her decree.
And I'm like, oh wow, that'skind of interesting.
And so, um, so when herdaughter turned 14, decided she
wanted to live with her dad.
And I guess for this poorShirley lady, she didn't handle
that very well.
She was kind of upset, kind ofangry, and uh, I guess probably
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a couple years went by and shethought her sons were gonna do
the same thing.
Because when the next son isturning 14.
Yeah, that's correct.
He was 13, and then he turned14.
And let's just say I think shewas afraid that things were
gonna repeat themselves.
So in June 19th, 1974, thatevening, uh she was so full of
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animosity and resentment thatShirley then embarked on a
murder spree.
That lasted from her basicallyall the way from Lowell to West
Fork.
Yeah.
So she started at her house andshe killed both her sons.
Yes.
Killed them both.
Yeah.
And then got in her car, droveacross town to Springdale, where
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she went to her ex-husband'shouse, this Jimmy guy.
And killed him.
And called her daughter out andsaid, It's mom and shoots her.
Yeah.
She's like, Who's there?
It's your mother.
Boom.
And that crazy.
That's I don't know how theyknow that.
I guess she told them that inthe later on.
Probably she confessed to someof it, I'd imagine.
Yeah.
Then she drove all the way overto the home of Joanne Brody,
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Jimmy's half sister.
Jimmy's half sisters, not evenhis sister.
Has nothing to do with any ofthis.
Yeah, and shot shot and killedher.
Shot and killed her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
What the heck is going on?
And then she drove to I guessif she wouldn't have done.
No, she wasn't done.
How many?
She's got six or five now.
She's killed five people in thematter of about three hours.
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Yeah.
Nobody has a clue what's goingon.
No.
The cops don't know.
There's no 911 back then.
No.
It's you know, you have to callzero, tell the operator, give me
the police.
Or you have to know the policenumber.
Yeah, you had yeah, it was inthe phone book.
Yeah, maybe there was 911 in NewYork City, but there was no 911
in Lowell Springdale, WestFork.
I don't even remember when wegot 911.
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I really it was 80s, late 80s, Ithink.
Yeah, because I remember myparents teaching us how to like
dial zero and what to say ifthere was an emergency, if
something happened.
Or like an we're in the phonebook to look for the police
number.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You had to you had to put theyou had to look it up every
time.
Yeah, you had to look it up,yeah.
And then they had one for likeemergencies and then one for
non-emergencies.
Yeah, they still have thenon-emergency numbers, but now
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the emergency number is just911.
But I do know that when youcall 911 uh from a cell phone,
good luck getting to the rightpre right place.
Song (29:09):
Really?
Paul G (29:10):
Because I've called 911 in the past, uh, because there's
I had this one woman who wascrossing the street by my old
work.
Oh, this lady was so sad.
Oh yeah.
This one lady, this girl in thisin this van was on her phone.
This lady, this little oldlady's trying to cross the
street and she just smacks her,knocks her.
She knocked her about 30 feet.
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She's just sliding flat on thepavement, just just spinning.
When you went in the store, Ithought you were gonna talk
about one of yourex-girlfriends.
What?
For a minute you said thiswoman, and I was thinking, oh
no, it's gonna be anex-girlfriend store.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't have I never called 911of my ex girlfriends.
I don't know.
You dated some crazies.
Oh, I dated some crazies, butthey also knew who they were
dealing with, and they justsaid, okay.
(29:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You don't, you know, Paul says,We're done.
We're done.
I mean, yeah.
Have you met me?
Yeah.
People out there have not, buttrust me, it's Paul.
Yeah.
When I make up my mind, it'sdone.
It's over.
I'm through.
But uh no, this woman shouldget hit by this fan.
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This woman's texting.
And I called 911 and got likeRogers.
They had to transfer me over toSpringdale.
I hope things have improved forthat because everybody's got a
cell phone.
Nobody has a landline.
It depends on where the tower'sat.
Oh, yeah.
Wherever the tower picks up,then it says that's where it's
that's it's gonna choose tosend.
Maybe if maybe if we put someAI on that, it would get to the
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right place faster.
It didn't take very muchlonger, but it still burned
about 30 seconds.
30 seconds can mean someone'slife.
That woman did not survive.
Poor thing.
Well, she she got I was yellingat everybody, leave her alone,
leave her alone, don't move herbecause I didn't know she had a
back injury, a head injury.
Don't move her.
You move them if there's likesomething like it's gonna cause
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things in if she was on she wasclose to a fire, across a fire
or water or something else, it'sgonna cause her immediate
death.
And yeah, move them, but youdon't want to move somebody
unless you know what she wasdoing.
She was breathing, she wasgasping, and that agnal
breathing you were talkingabout.
That's what she was doing.
She was dying there.
It took her like almost a week.
Oh, that's awful.
Yeah, it was pretty awful.
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She never came out with a coma,though, so hopefully she never
noticed.
Still, it's sad.
I know.
In the words, don't text anddraft people.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
They called me up and said theywere trying to get me to
testify on that behalf of thelady driving.
And I'm like, no, she told mewhen she got out of the car.
I looked down at my phone forjust a second and boom, I hit
her.
I was like, Yeah, that's whathappens.
(31:40):
Yeah, not good for you know,you're not a good witness for
the prosecution.
I mean you're a good witnessfor the prosecution, but not for
the defense attorney.
It's not a good thing for thedefense.
But uh, yeah, so this so aftershe killed these five people,
she decides to go to a guestthing.
It's Shirley Marie Curdy.
Goes to just outside of Armton,I think, sort of to um what
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drove to West was it West Fork,and then she shot her former
brother-in-law, who has nothingto do with that.
It didn't have anything to dowith that, nothing to do with
that.
She shot him twice, but hedidn't die.
Yeah.
So he's still right.
We could probably interviewhim.
I don't know.
He might be he might be too oldand dead.
But what gets me though theworst thing that is when she's
finally arrested, which we'reneeding we want to dig out like
how was she arrested?
Like, you know, did she she gotpulled over?
(32:23):
We're gonna need it's more ifit's more a foyer request for
this one, yeah.
Yeah, so she what she says isvery shocking to me.
I missed the sixth one, didn'tI?
That's what she asked theofficers.
That's like cold, man.
She had a suicide note and sherecorded a bunch of tapes.
Yeah, tapes of what she wasthinking and doing.
(32:44):
Yeah, which you know we couldprobably get that transcript.
That'd be I don't know, man.
It's gonna be disturbing.
Yeah.
But you know, stopped, didn'tit?
No, we're still going.
We got audio truck.
So pretty much the sweet lady,not sweet, but Miss Chirley,
what did she do?
She's not a sweet lady, man.
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I'm not just a caught callousbitch.
What did she do?
She gets to spend some time inArkansas State Hospital for the
mentally ill.
Yeah, and they put her in there.
Uh, when was that?
They they arrested her thatday.
And on June 20th, on June 20th,that day, right?
Yeah.
Uh, but they you know, he's shehad gotten stopped earlier in
(33:26):
the day on Weddington, where Iused to live.
Yeah.
Right there by where I used tolive.
She had a 38 38 in her seat.
Yeah.
And the cop let her go beforeshe did all this.
Oh, that's messed up.
Yeah.
That is so messed up.
So messed up.
Uh, so anyway, but theybasically this doctor's estate,
(33:48):
please said, hey, she's mentallyill and legally irresponsible
at the time of the killings.
Yeah.
Paranoid schizophrenia andpsychotic delusion.
You said the devil directed heractions.
Which, you know, that defense isnot used hardly anymore because
it's really super hard to proveand a lot of people.
Well, ever since Berkowitz.
Yeah, you died.
That guy's in the dog made me doit.
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And then he ended up lying thewhole time.
Yeah, he was lying the wholetime.
So it's like nobody, it's it'sa dog is telling you to do
something.
First, don't do it, becausehe's probably not a dog, he's
probably just you being crazy.
And two, uh, it's not gonnahold up in court, even if he did
tell you.
Yeah, so basically she My dogtold me to feed him.
Yeah, because that's what dogsdo, not to tell you to kill
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somebody.
Well, unless you want to feedthem to him, I guess.
So basically, she's hanging outin the you know Arkansas State
Hospital until about 1978.
But pretty much said, hey,she's okay to stand trial.
Yeah, and they and then and thenwhen they did take her to
trial, it was a jury couldn'tmake it couldn't make up their
mind.
It was half of them thoughtthey were just nuts.
Hung jury.
(34:50):
I think I would like to see thenotes from that.
Yeah, because all this ispublic or we can get all this
publicly.
I just think it's interesting,like you know, hung jury.
Why why she blatantly went outthere and shot these people
because she was mad that thechildren didn't want to live
with her anymore.
Obviously, we know why.
(35:11):
She's nuts.
Well, okay, okay.
I I know what it's like to havea child live with another
parent, but you don't go shootthem.
I don't know, you shot yourswith an arrow, but I should I'm
not proud of it, not my proudestmoment.
But I guess maybe she was like,Okay, um, you had one of my
kids, I'm not letting the restof my kids go, so I'm gonna kick
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kill everybody.
Honestly, she should have gotthe death penalty.
Yeah, I I don't disagree withthat, but she never got out of
prison, though.
Like she she they transferredher, they finally found her
confident and put her on jailtrial, and she went to jail the
rest of her life.
We think she died August rightaround August 3rd, 2015.
(35:56):
Yeah, there's no actualofficial record.
We just found in the tombstonerecords, yeah, that you can
search tombstones, that herdeath was August 3rd, 2015.
It's 79.
So she got to be 79 years old.
79, and she killed her kids,yeah, and she killed her
ex-husband, and she killed twoother people that had no idea.
That's how selfish you have tobe to do something like that.
(36:17):
What I think this is my theory,y'all.
I think when the second kidturned 14 is when she went
crazy.
I think that she's like, Idon't want another another kid
living with my ex-husband.
Fuck y'all.
And I think she just decidedthat she was gonna take her kids
out, take him out, and I don'tknow, I don't know why the other
two people were taken out.
That makes no kill everybody.
I mean, if you're on herkilling spree and you're you're
already killing people.
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I mean her saying I didn't getthe sixth one.
That's not a sign of crazy.
That's a sign of just being anasshole.
You didn't call it thedifference, asshole versus ass.
But I understand, like, okay,this is like 74 when like not
even mental illness wasconsidered uh, you know, an okay
to talk about.
(36:58):
It didn't recently get okay totalk about till the past couple
years, really.
And now some people won't eventalk about it still.
Yeah, it's a taboo to certainpeople, but it shouldn't be.
But my thing is like, uh, didshe behave in prison?
Did she take her pills?
Did she she lost her inheritancemoney?
Yeah, she had a bunch ofinheritance money.
The state of Arkansas's like,no, no, no, that's ours.
(37:19):
She took it because they theysaid the cost of imprisoning her
is 270,000 bucks so far.
And this was like 2007, and uhshe had $58,000 coming from
selling some land or something.
Yeah, and the state's like, no,that's mine.
Yeah, they took it, man.
It's gone.
That money is in the statecoffee.
Yep.
But but I don't know.
(37:41):
This is fascinating to mebecause I've we don't get that
we know of a lot of peoplerestless bree killers, or you
know, that kind of thing wherethey shoot a bunch of people,
yeah.
You know, uh maybe little rock,I don't know.
Well, it's comes down to beingjust people, I think.
Human beings can have the perpropensity to be nuts, but
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everybody has a breaking pointwhen they just go crazy.
And my thought thing, I wouldlove to dig more into her.
Like, what made her kids decideto go with their dad?
Maybe hey, I want to spend sometime with dad.
If they would have lived, wemight have had something to go
off of and and had some answershere.
But really, all we can do is toguess because she killed them
(38:23):
all.
Yeah, she killed them all.
But that's in NorthwestArkansas.
Who knew that this kind of wegot a mob stop bombing and then
a murder spree by a womannonetheless, which is very
unheard of.
Yeah, she just wanted to takeher whole family.
The other two people I stilldon't understand.
Yeah, there's it's it's it's herit's a common thing for women
(38:44):
to kill their kids.
Not common, but I mean, in theparlance of people who are
getting killed, like serialkillers and things like that,
committing violent crimes.
It's a common one of the topten things that women do when
they kill people, they killtheir kids for some ungodly
reason, but they do it.
It's happened over and over andover again.
Most women they drown them orsomething.
(39:05):
Yeah, we Andrew Eates drownedher.
Is it she the one that drownedher kids?
There's so many.
Or she no, she's the one, yeah,she drowned all of them in a
bathtub.
And there's another woman thatsunk them in the car in Memphis,
I think it was.
I remember that.
It happens a lot, actually.
Enough to where it's in thezeitgeist.
But you know, like they don'tshoot them.
Most people most women are likeI say, we're passive, we'd
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rather like give you poison orfreaking drown.
Yeah, yeah.
Poisoning is the number onemethod of murder for women.
There was another incidence inArkansas that we need to cover
too.
That's it's very very sad caseabout a woman who um she got
electric, went to the electricchair for it or lethal
injection, I think, at the time,but she killed her two kids um
basically because she didn'twant to live anymore and she
(39:47):
didn't want them to beseparated.
And that's what's dumb.
I I want to say it was in the80s, late 80s, 90s.
I'll have to look it up.
I can't remember.
But, anyways, she tried to killthem with potassium.
She's a nurse, tried to killthem with potassium.
Potassium chloride.
And when the boy, the young boy,was screaming so bad because it
burns your veins, it's caustic.
She just decides that okay, I'mgonna suffocate them.
(40:07):
That's why they give you so manydrugs when they give you the
electric or the needle in thearm at the at the prison, is
because that's what they killyou with.
Is that medicine, but it hurtsso bad that they had to give you
a bunch of other medicinefirst.
Yeah, they give a cocktail, if Iremember correctly.
Anyways, we'll look at moreinformation on that.
I don't cocktail.
Why don't they just do that?
Just give them cocktails tillthey die of alcohol poisoning.
Uh I don't know.
(40:29):
Never mind.
But here's my firing squadsactually sounds better.
Here's my thing, but anybody whokills their own children is a
special place in hell for you.
I mean, no offense.
I don't have any kids, so Icould understand that, but I can
empathize, but I can'tsympathize.
Yeah, I couldn't fathom.
That's why I'm like, well, morefollow-on the one little rock
when we get more information.
I think it was out of LittleRock around Little Rock.
(40:50):
We'll find out.
And you've also been looking onthat, you've been looking at uh
missing people's cases.
Yes, thing called theDonetwork.com guys, go on there,
it's super interesting.
Obviously, some of these peoplehave been found and they
sponsor certain cases everymonth, but they um some of them
have names and a little bit ofsee if I'm on there.
You're not dead, you're talkingto me.
(41:11):
What I'm missing.
What if I'm missing?
What if my parents aren't myparents?
Then go look on there.
I don't know.
The correct answer is I met yourfather and your mother, yeah,
and you're definitely their kid.
Yeah.
Because that's actually quiteprevalent if you know my dad.
Yeah.
But this what's cool about thisis you can go on there.
It's a couple that I'd like toget some research on about uh
(41:32):
one out of Telequah, um Telequaarea.
Basically, this lady um decidedthat she wanted to go meet some
guy in Tulsa who might give hera job and she never came home.
Yeah, what about the one thatwas um going to a concert?
That's what you've been talkingabout lately.
Penny Doe out of Pennsylvania.
I found uh honestly throughFacebook just looking around.
(41:53):
This is a very fascinatingcase.
There's not a lot ofinformation on it.
So I'm gonna have to really digdeep on this one, but it was
they don't even know who shewas.
Her body was found by somekids, and they don't really know
her name.
They don't just call her PennyDoe because she had two pennies,
one in each pocket.
Um, some jewelry was stolen,they think, they suspect.
But around that time, there wasa rock concert going on in
Pennsylvania where people werethe band.
(42:13):
I honestly don't recognize thebands that were on the list when
I read newspapers.
What year?
Uh, I want to say it was in the70s or 80s.
I'm not positive.
No, no, I need to look it up.
It could be later than that.
But what I what struck me waswe don't know who she is, we
don't know anything about her.
A rock concert was going on,they were having a lot of people
(42:34):
come from out of town.
They named her Penny Doebecause of what the pennies were
in her pocket.
I just found it veryinteresting that we still have
people out there that areunidentified.
Well, we when we go down theI-49 corridor, I-40 corridor, we
go into the pilots and whatnot.
And they take them downrecently, I think, because we
remember we were seeing that wehad missing flyers, missing
(42:55):
people flyers up everywhere.
There was a huge board of peoplethat were missing on I-40.
I-40, which is a pretty commonroad.
I mean between Little Rock anduh in um um Oklahoma City.
Yeah, and it goes even further,but it was like people were
like the I-40 killer, theycaught that guy, but they say
they estimated there was likefive more guys doing it.
(43:16):
Yeah.
When they caught him.
So it just like I would tell mykids when they're older, like,
you know, stop at a big place toget gas, be careful, blah,
blah, blah.
Because when you walk intothese places, it's like a giant
wall of like missing persons.
Andrea (43:28):
Yeah.
Paul G (43:29):
And it's just super scary.
Where, you know, I've gotpeople in a girl at college, a
girl that's graduating highschool, have another girl that's
still in high school.
I mean, they're these are theage groups of men and women that
are missing.
Mostly women.
Mostly women, unfortunately.
Yeah.
Well, like back in the day,hitchhiking got a lot of girls
killed, a lot of girls killed,which is interesting.
(43:49):
Why I it went from not gettingpeople killed to that's the main
reason why they were gettingkilled.
Yeah, and it's so mind-blowingto me.
Like, why would you get in acar with a stranger?
Well, it used to be you couldtrust them.
Yeah.
And that's, I guess, the 70s isabout drugs and hitchhiking.
I think it changed becauseyou're the the people that were
driving around were able to gofurther than they were before.
(44:11):
Because in the 40s and 50s, Idon't think they could go as far
because gasoline cars, youknow, but in the but they
started building interstates inthe late 50s and they weren't
done with them till the early60s.
So and Eisenhower started thatbecause he wanted to be able to
get the the in just in case theRussians invaded, he wanted to
(44:33):
be able to get as much of thearmy across the country as fast
as possible.
So he built the interstate.
That's what the interstateswere built for.
No, makes sense.
And that's why they're that'swhy they're really up north and
really down south, and notreally where they need to be,
the old ones.
Yeah, the new ones are gettingthere because it's there's a
different reason for doing itnow.
But at the time, they justwanted to get as much military
(44:55):
equipment across the country asfast as possible to stop any
invasion.
No, that makes sense.
That was Eisenhower's thought,anyway.
And uh, so I think it's just umI think what happened was it's
just access.
These guys wanted to killpeople, but they didn't have
access.
Well, now they have a lot ofaccess.
Now they have the internet andall sorts of other things,
(45:16):
right?
But now we have a better way tocatch them.
However, you know, we also seelike the the school shooters and
things like that, right?
We think that's a modern thing.
It's not.
No, it's been around for a longtime.
Yeah, there was I 19 uh 1940s.
Uh, there was a guy doing it.
He shot up a school, nobodyreported on it.
You can look it up.
(45:36):
It's I I have to go look it upagain.
Then you got the guy from thebell tower in the in the what
the 50s or 60s, then Texas.
Yeah, that was a really badthing.
Yeah, and it's the samereasoning he's shooting up as
we're doing now.
So we've been doing this for avery long time.
It's just now we're seeing itmore because we have access to
the information.
We don't have to rely on someidiot at a newspaper going,
(45:59):
well, I really want a happystory this week because I got a
Jim Bob down here that owns aFord dealership.
He needs to sell some cars.
You know, sure, something likethat's probably true.
Nobody wants to talk about thatkind of stuff.
Yeah, now everybody wants totalk about that kind of stuff.
Well, it's because everybodywanted to talk about it then.
There just was only so manyoutlets.
(46:19):
Yeah.
Now there's a thousand outletsper person.
I mean, we're doing a podcastand very few people listen to in
the overall scheme of things,right?
Yeah, it's compared to some, butyou gotta start somewhere.
Well, no, I'm I'm not yeah, I'mnot down in it.
I'm just saying there's so muchnoise out there, it's hard to
find the good ones.
Yeah, so more to follow on thesecases that we're looking into.
(46:39):
I'm gonna send some FOIAs in.
You can go online and do itnow.
You don't have to actually fillout the form, get it notarized,
and fax it in now, you just doit online.
That is nice.
Yeah, it used to be even 2018.
You had to do like extrapaperwork to get the FOIA.
Well, I guess if you want theinformation that bad, you're
gonna work for it.
Yeah, well, it's the only newsorganizations.
Now everybody wants them.
(47:00):
So they're like, I'm tired ofthis paper, let's do it
electronically and let thecomputer gather up all the
information and spit it out sothat there didn't have to be
somebody sitting there doingresearch all the time.
Yeah since we're digitizing allof our archives.
Andrea (47:12):
Yeah.
Paul G (47:13):
I don't know about the small town.
Springdale, probably, I wouldthink maybe they digitized their
archives.
I would hope.
I really would hope.
They may not have gone back thatfar, though.
I don't know.
Maybe so anyway, so um I've gotI'm gonna try to do another
voices here in the next fewweeks and get that up and going
so we can have just because Iwant to.
(47:34):
What do you think?
Go for it.
I like them.
Do you like them?
I do.
Oh, okay.
But do you listen to them?
I listen to them as you'repicking them.
That's not that's not listeningto them.
You hear me go, and in herewe're gonna find a hey man,
(47:56):
guys.
This is not as easy as you thinkit is.
No, it's not as easy.
Yep, we do better live.
It's not cut.
No, we have fun, more fun justdoing that live.
So if we screw up our words orsay things weird, don't send a
tape mail, guys.
(48:16):
Oh god, don't know give us yourideas for merch, for things you
want to hear about, things youwant to know.
Yeah, go to www.palgnewton.com,paulgnewton.com, and you can
find all of our crap that comingout stuff there.
You do have some cool hoodies.
(48:36):
I have a hoodie.
People are really interested init for some reason.
I don't know why.
Like it's all these hits, butnobody ever buys one.
Buy one.
Somebody out there buy one anduh buy a coffee cup for like
$12.
And put we'll put a memo.
I need stickers.
There's a sticker that says, Ohmy god, Paul's stop, which you
did not do this time.
Oh, that's true.
I didn't.
Oh god, what's wrong with me?
(48:58):
I told you, you're kind of downtoday.
I'm tired.
Hey guys, we've been out in theheat.
I this wasn't that odd.
It was like 75 degrees.
It was 80.
Anyways, guys, you buysomething, we'll put a memo line
out there and we'll give you ashout out in the podcast.
Yeah, if they're listening.
If you're listening, somebodyout there.
Or if you know our phonenumbers, call us.
(49:19):
Yeah.
I mean, that's creepy, but goahead.
If your friends call us, we loveyou.
Yeah, only if your friends.
If your haters don't call me, Idon't want to know.
You can send me an email.
You can send me a hate mail allday long.
We want to know, but not thehate mail.
Yeah, because they're weappreciate feedback, but if I
don't know, hate mail is fine.
I'll read I'll read that on theair.
Yeah, you would.
If it's any good.
(49:40):
Yeah, you wouldn't read that.
Anyways, guys, we love ya.
Check out our check outeverything on the website.
It's she's it's mostly mebecause she's busy with an
actual job.
So yeah, I'll Paul GNewton.com.
And I guess that's it.
So my
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