December 21, 2025 • 48 mins
Things I Want To Know
Don’t Boil the Water | Charleston, West Virginia
A sweet smell coming out of the tap should never turn into a guessing game.
In this episode, we dig into the 2014 Charleston, West Virginia chemical spill that sent crude MCHM from a neglected storage tank straight toward a municipal water intake, forcing 300,000 people to stop using their water overnight. Not limit it. Not boil it. Stop.
We talk about how a century-old piece of infrastructure ended up sitting upstream from a city’s drinking water, why oversight failed, and how “safe enough” became the most dangerous phrase in the room. Residents reported rashes, nausea, burning eyes, and headaches, while officials tried to reassure the public with toxicology data that barely existed.
Accountability did come, eventually. Guilty pleas. Home confinement. Bankruptcy. But trust is harder to flush out of a system than a chemical you can smell.
We also zoom out, because Charleston isn’t an anomaly. From storage tanks to rail lines to aging intakes, this is what happens when convenience and complacency quietly stack risk in places no one is watching.
This isn’t panic radio. It’s a conversation about vigilance. What smells matter. Why boiling water can make some chemical exposures worse. What actually helps at the household level, and what fixes need to happen upstream where the real control lives.
Because the most unsettling part isn’t that something went wrong.
It’s how normal the day felt before anyone knew.
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Episode Transcript
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Intro (00:00):
Well there's no problem.
If you had a gun, shoot him inthe head.
Paul G (00:09):
I guess since since we quit doing the interviews on
Paul G's Corner, and I figuredI'd repurpose the music because
I like the shoot 'em in the headthing.
Andrea (00:20):
Yeah, especially if we figured out what it goes to.
Paul G (00:22):
Yeah.
We were watching what movie?
Andrea (00:24):
The Living Knight of the Living Dead.
Paul G (00:26):
Or The Walking Dead.
Andrea (00:27):
No, it was the Knight of the Living Dead, the old
original black and white.
Paul G (00:30):
Yeah.
Andrea (00:31):
And he says it at the end.
Paul G (00:32):
Yeah, the the sheriff guy.
As long as you shoot him in thehead, you had no problem.
Andrea (00:36):
Yeah.
Which we had no idea.
Yeah.
I mean, at all, until wewatched that.
And then we're like, that'swhere that comes from.
Paul G (00:42):
We were sitting there watching.
I was like, hey.
Yup.
Alright.
Enough of that.
Anyhow, this is things I wantto know, man.
Paul G.
Andrea (00:54):
Andrea Newton.
Paul G (00:57):
You're so full of spunk today.
Andrea (01:01):
Oh, whatever.
What are we talking abouttoday?
Well, I hey this is your show.
Paul G (01:06):
It's not my show.
Andrea (01:07):
Well, you're the one that did the research on this
one.
Paul G (01:09):
Well, I I read you the research.
Andrea (01:11):
Yes.
You're the one that found it,though.
Paul G (01:14):
I know.
And I thought I said it's it'snot um it's not murder or
anything.
Andrea (01:20):
No, we don't always have to call cover murder.
We just, you know, lately thatseems to be our stick.
Now we you wanted to cover thisone.
I thought it was reallyinteresting and makes me uh
rethink of stuff that comes intothe house.
unknown (01:33):
Yeah.
Paul G (01:35):
It's one thing we don't think about as a water supply.
Andrea (01:38):
No, but if you mess up the water supply, you mess up a
lot.
Paul G (01:43):
Yeah.
And it it it's almost a crime.
I mean, to be honest.
If you think about it.
Andrea (01:50):
I mean, I guess if anybody wanted to mess with the
United States, I guess messingwith the water and the food
supply would be the number onething, I think, to get us to our
knees.
Paul G (01:58):
Yeah, they were really worried about that post-9-11.
Andrea (02:00):
Which makes sense.
Paul G (02:02):
It was a big deal, and they were New York was really
into it.
Because yeah, they could poisonthe beaver water district
that's here in Arkansas,northwest Arkansas.
Everybody gets their water fromBeaver Lake.
That's what it was made for.
Um not a high it was ahydroelectric highlight
hydroelectricity.
(02:22):
Is that right?
Did I say it correctly?
Andrea (02:26):
I don't even know what you were trying to say.
Hydroelectricity.
Paul G (02:32):
And water.
We're supposed to get our watersupply from that.
So we get everybody's watercomes out of that.
I think except for Decatur.
Andrea (02:38):
Yeah, but it was interesting though, is when I
lived on well, doctors wouldalways like give me a hard time
about you must have your welltested and this, that, and the
other, and this, that, and theother.
And then this case we're aboutto go over, people should stop
just narking and making fun ofpeople on wells.
It happens with your publicwater system too.
Paul G (02:55):
Yeah.
So I guess so.
What we're talking about is thecapital of West Virginia.
And some of you may rememberthis, probably not, is what I
would what I would think,because you probably won't
remember this.
Um and it's in Is itCharleston?
(03:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You stupid.
My computer went crazy with allmy notes on it.
Andrea (03:24):
But it makes me like when you we read the case of
what we're about to present, Iit it makes me think a little
bit twice about the water supplycoming in.
Yeah.
Paul G (03:33):
It's a Charleston, West Virginia.
Founded in 1788.
Andrea (03:39):
Really?
Paul G (03:39):
Yeah.
It's um just after this theAmerican Revolution.
Andrea (03:45):
For some reason I was thinking it'd be earlier than
that, but I guess West we didn'thave West Virginia.
Paul G (03:49):
Western didn't show up until 1640s.
Andrea (03:50):
But we didn't have Westward a whole lot of Westward
expansion until after theRevolutionary War, so that makes
sense.
Paul G (03:55):
West Virginia was uh the the the frontier at the time, I
think.
Andrea (04:00):
That's so crazy when you think about it.
Paul G (04:02):
Yeah.
Yeah, now it's like ah, WestVirginia.
Andrea (04:05):
There's really no frontier in the United States.
Paul G (04:07):
Did John Denver sing a stupid song about this place?
Andrea (04:11):
Something like that.
Take me home, something likethat.
I don't remember.
Paul G (04:15):
It's name for Charles Clendon.
Clendon in C L E N D E N I N.
Clendonin.
Andrea (04:24):
Okay.
Paul G (04:25):
Clendon in and in.
He's cool.
If he was selling Worcestersauce, you'd have trouble.
unknown (04:34):
Clinton.
Paul G (04:35):
Charles Clendon and Worcestershire's tiger sauce.
Andrea (04:40):
Just say hey.
Well Clinton.
Paul G (04:42):
Clinton?
What's that have got to do withanything?
Andrea (04:45):
Clinton.
Paul G (04:46):
Clendon.
Uh the state it's been thestate capital since 1877.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay.
Paul G (04:53):
That's interesting.
I didn't know.
I mean, so when you think ofstate capitals, though, you
think of a little bit biggertown than this.
Honestly.
I guess it's you know, if youhave like you would think that
Missouri, the state capital,would be like Kansas City.
Andrea (05:07):
But no, it's always Saint Joseph or something like
that.
They pick the county seat wayback when, and then like other
towns become popular, and Iguess.
Paul G (05:15):
That the can't the Missouri's capital has like
20,000 people in it.
Weird.
I know.
Little Rock is Little Rock'sthe biggest town.
Well, it used to be the biggesttown.
I think it still is, I suppose.
It's the second largest schooldistrict, though, is North
Little Rock.
The largest school district isnow Springdale out of Northwest
(05:36):
Arkansas.
Andrea (05:37):
I can't say Springdale would be bigger than Little
Rock.
Paul G (05:40):
It is.
It's the largest school.
And the only reason it's thelargest school district is
because it doesn't just coverSpringdale.
It goes out in the county.
Andrea (05:48):
Well, yeah, because there's a lot of little little
itty-bitty towns that more orless merge into Springdale.
Like this whole area is allmerging into one area.
Paul G (05:55):
So Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um it exists because of rivers,salt, coal, and chemicals.
Like I don't know what thechemicals things were.
Um it was uh structurally tiedto extractive and industrial
economies.
In other words, they had a lotof coal.
Andrea (06:15):
I mean that makes sense, isn't it like West Virginia,
Kentucky, the Tennessee, maybethose areas had a lot of coal
mining.
Paul G (06:25):
Yes, and industrial chemicals and stuff like that,
because they got the rivers.
So you have to have water ifyou want to do make chemicals.
Right.
So it's in the back to aboutWorld War One's when they
started doing all this numberall this stuff.
Um but in 2014 is when thishappened uh and it had about
(06:47):
51,000 people living in the cityof Charleston, which is small
for the state capital.
Andrea (06:54):
51,000.
Paul G (06:55):
51,000, but 190,000 people lived in Kanawa, Kanawa
Count County, which is thesurrounding county, and but the
water system, which is whatwe're talking about today, uh it
has about 300,000 people thatit gave water to.
Andrea (07:13):
So I'm guessing making an assumption here, maybe that
water's for a majority of thestate.
Paul G (07:20):
Uh no, probably not the majority, but I could see where
they could be seen that way.
Andrea (07:24):
Or maybe the county.
Paul G (07:25):
Yeah, well, definitely.
Well, obviously it's county.
Um but it's 78 to 80 percentwhite, you know, black,
Hispanic, just normal stuff.
And this was in what?
Andrea (07:34):
Oh, for 2014.
Paul G (07:36):
2014.
Yeah.
There were median householdincome was forty-two thousand
dollars.
Andrea (07:41):
$42,000.
Yeah.
That's still mind-blowing tome.
Paul G (07:45):
Today's dollars that'd probably be what $65, $70.
Andrea (07:50):
Probably, yeah.
That's like I don't know.
Like, we listened to some otherpodcasts and they talk about
the median household income, andwe're like, whoa! Makes us feel
like, you know, we're kind ofon the poor end here.
But then I don't know, like, Ican't imagine.
I just four oh, that's a lot.
Paul G (08:07):
Wow.
So um this all started, Iguess, back in the 1930s.
What happened was they builtthis chemical tank to hold this
chemical that um you cleanedcoal with.
Andrea (08:25):
Is it like like a giant tank, like a giant like water,
you know how the water towerkind of tank things?
Or are we talking like a tub?
Paul G (08:34):
On the ground.
On the ground, so kind of likea oil tank, like the gasoline
tanks you see whenever we wentto um Alabama.
Andrea (08:41):
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Paul G (08:43):
They were what the giant round tanks sitting on the
ground.
Andrea (08:47):
I think if that are like what the big giant propane
things look like.
Paul G (08:51):
No, it's bigger than that.
If it was just a propane tank,that wouldn't be anything.
Andrea (08:55):
Oh, so this thing's pretty good size.
Paul G (08:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's huge.
Huge, I say.
Huge.
Andrea (09:01):
Huge.
So it's just okay, 1930s tanks.
Paul G (09:07):
Yeah, so it's just sitting there rusting.
Andrea (09:09):
Oh, that doesn't sound good.
Paul G (09:10):
This is night, this is 2000, 2014.
It's almost it's almost ahundred-year-old tank that they
have this this chemical MCHM,uh, which is removing impurities
from coal is what it's usedfor.
Methylcyclohexane methanol.
Andrea (09:31):
Oh, none of that sounds good.
Paul G (09:33):
Oh, it's methanol?
That means it's an oil base.
Andrea (09:36):
Yeah, oil base.
Paul G (09:38):
Maybe.
No, methanol might be it couldbe plant-based.
Because you can get methanolfrom corn.
Andrea (09:44):
Yeah, you can get methyl from corn now, and you get
methanol from other yeah.
Or think it you can get organiconly organic properties, is it?
I'd have to look it up.
I'm not a I'm not a chemist.
Paul G (09:55):
If you break the word down, you can figure it out if
you're a chemist.
Methylcyclohexane.
So the hexane has something todo with the molecule makeup or
something.
Andrea (10:05):
I don't know.
The things they put in food andanything else, if you can't
pronounce it, it doesn't soundgood.
Paul G (10:11):
Usually.
Um, so it's been it was used toremove impurities from coal,
and they had oh man, they had uhthousands of gallons in this
thing and started leaking abouta mile up river from the from
the uh water intake.
Andrea (10:31):
Why uh I'm my first thought in my head is what idiot
decided to put this near ariver?
Paul G (10:37):
What idiot decided Well, put it near a river in case it
busts open, you can dilute it.
But what idiot put the uhdidn't decide that it was a bad
idea to put the municipal waterintake a mile downriver from it.
Because it came after.
Andrea (10:56):
That's true, you got a point there.
Uh you get a point there.
But uh yeah, I would uh theonly thing I would like to think
that somebody would choose thatis maybe it's its only water
source.
Paul G (11:06):
Yeah.
Andrea (11:07):
But then my next question would be okay, you know
these chemicals have been sincethe 1930s and they're sitting
near a water source, and this isyour only good water source for
lots of townsfolk.
Why don't you check on thatthing more often?
Paul G (11:19):
Yeah, just rusting away.
It's leaking out of the bottom,the you know, because it's been
there since the 1930s.
Well, the thing is, it for somereason it is excluded in
grandfathered in because it'sbeen there so long.
Andrea (11:33):
Oh, that makes you think if anything that's
grandfathered in, that's notgood.
Paul G (11:36):
Yeah.
Well, a lot of things are goodthat they're grandfathered in.
Well, yeah.
Like your signs.
You have a sign on yourbusiness, the town then annexes
that as part of the town, butthe sign regulations say you
can't have that, but I've hadthis sign up here for 40 years.
Andrea (11:49):
But a sign's not gonna kill people.
Paul G (11:51):
Well, it might hurt people.
If it falls over.
Andrea (11:53):
Well, that'd be any sign of any business you walk into.
I used to when I was a kid, youknow, the big TVs they put on
the wall or whatever.
I used to be paranoid that thatthing's gonna fall off the wall
and hit me in the head when Iwas little.
Like the, you know, daycaresand places.
Paul G (12:06):
Oh, where they hung them in the corner.
Andrea (12:07):
Or like, you know, yes, I'd be just like paranoid.
I would not stand underneathit.
Paul G (12:12):
I I'd have been like, hit me with one of those TVs.
I need the paycheck because I'dsue them.
You should have made sure thatwas attached.
Andrea (12:19):
At 12, I was not thinking that.
Or like six, I wasn't thinkingthat.
But I would like to think thatyou would check on this thing a
little bit more frequently.
Paul G (12:27):
Exactly.
Andrea (12:29):
But because things don't last forever, and I would like
to think a tank from the 1930sis probably not as well sound
as, say, from the tanks that aredesigned in 2014.
Paul G (12:40):
So this this chemical is kind of sweet.
It smells sweet.
Probably it makes sense if itwas organic.
Andrea (12:48):
If you turn on your water faucet and it's smelling
sweet, uh don't drink it.
I'd be like, what the blanketyblank is this, you know?
Paul G (12:57):
Yeah.
Uh let's not drink that.
Andrea (13:00):
Yeah, let's not drink that.
But at the same time, I thinkI'll bathe in it.
Paul G (13:05):
Maybe I'll turn orange or purple or green.
Andrea (13:08):
If um, but if you think about it, when we first moved
here, like I came from I camefrom the well.
Paul G (13:15):
So Well, I've come from Springdale, so I mean, I'm
pretty used to what she's aboutto tell you.
Andrea (13:19):
So anything any water, public water that I would take
taste from in town or like fromjobs or wherever, or like
doctor's office or whatever, Iwant to get a drink at the water
fountain, would always tastechemical to me because I'm used
to well water that doesn't havethat chlorine or that taste.
So I didn't to me when we movedin here, it was like strong,
but I figured it's city citywater, that's what it does.
Yeah, that's what it's supposedto.
Paul G (13:40):
But then I was like, look, this is burning my eyes.
Remember?
Andrea (13:47):
Yeah, and I would look at you like it's just the water
case.
No, it's regular water.
Paul G (13:51):
Freaking chlorine.
And uh so I did a littleresearch on that, and and I'm
like, this should not be thathigh.
Because the Springdale has likethe highest fluoride and the
highest chlorine of all.
Andrea (14:03):
Yeah.
Paul G (14:04):
They don't care.
Andrea (14:05):
I just figured it was just, you know, it's city water,
that's how it is.
Paul G (14:08):
Well, I went down and talked to the mayor of P Ridge,
and I said, Hey buddy, got aquestion for you.
Here's what this amount ofchlorine is supposed to be.
It's like 0.06 per thousandgallons or something like that
milliliter.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah.
Paul G (14:22):
And he's like, Okay, thank you for the information.
I was like, Cool, cool, cool.
And about a less than threeweeks later, that chlorine smell
was gone.
Somebody was screwing upsomewhere.
Andrea (14:34):
You think so?
Paul G (14:35):
Oh, yeah, because it you just chlorine's gone.
Andrea (14:37):
I mean, I just figured I got used to it because of being
in the city.
Paul G (14:40):
I go, I I know I wasn't getting used to it.
And I know because I see I didpool maintenance when I was
younger too.
Andrea (14:46):
Yeah.
Paul G (14:47):
So I knew that was not supposed to be that bad.
Andrea (14:49):
But any time that I would ever have water in the
city for whatever reason, italways smelled like a giant
chlorine pool to me.
No matter it's because Ifigured I'm used to the well
where it it's it's clear when itcomes out.
Paul G (15:00):
I mean, it's and it's well, your well was dug down
like 5,000 feet.
Andrea (15:04):
Oh, I made sure when we moved there that it was dug
deeper than what they said.
I don't know about that, butwhen they're drilling it, they
said, We hit water, and I said,I want you to go deeper.
And they I said, I'm paying youby the hour.
Paul G (15:16):
Do you care?
Andrea (15:17):
Yeah, baby drill.
And I don't even know how muchfurther they went down because I
heard of people saying thatwells run dry, and I'm thinking
in my thought process at thetime, I'm gonna live here till I
go to the nursing home.
So I want things to work.
Little did we know we end upmoving back into town, but you
know, it I just but I rememberlike going from the city to the
(15:37):
well water and thinking likewell water was amazing.
I'd never liked it, and Ialways found it to be it tasted
really like to me, like ultraclean.
But then I would go to thedoctor's office, you know, and
you have your annual checkup andthey ask you all these
questions, and then they'relike, Do you live on a well?
And yes, and then I'd get likethis 15-minute lecture about how
I need to have test my well andmake sure there's not chemicals
(16:00):
and there's chicken plantrunoff and this, that, and the
other.
Paul G (16:02):
My argument was, well, what about your city water?
Andrea (16:05):
And then we hear this, listen to this, and I'm like, we
should like really be payingattention when the water comes
out of the tap and it smellslike a chuck like a cake.
It's sweet, you know what I'msaying?
Paul G (16:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So this water smelled sweet.
Um, but it didn't it didn'tleave any grease on you, you
know, with nothing.
But it gave people bad, badrashes and uh make them throw up
and vomit.
Yeah, because obviously ifsomething's making you puke,
then it's not good for you.
Andrea (16:33):
Well, if you go to the the ER and you're saying I'm
nausea and vomiting, yeah,they're instantly not gonna they
should ask you your well-waterquestions.
I would like to think that theydo.
No, but uh maybe in some ERsthey do.
Did you eat some bad fish?
Did you go but they're gonnainstantly let go what medicine?
You know, then their firstthought is uh it's the city
water, you know.
(16:53):
Which we should be morestudious to that, I would think.
Paul G (16:57):
Three hundred thousand people were getting up that
morning, bathing, running theirdishwasher, washing their
clothes, drinking it, makingcoffee, Kool-Aid for the kids,
you know.
Andrea (17:13):
Oh god, the aftermath of when you find find out what's
going on, you gotta go back andthink of everything that that
water's been in.
Paul G (17:22):
Yeah.
And then on top of that, whenthey say don't use the water,
they said don't bathe in it,don't drink it, don't use it for
washing, don't put it in youryard.
Right?
Because you could kill grass,who knows?
Turn your sprinklers on, uh,all your your thousands of
dollars of landscaping is nowdead.
Andrea (17:42):
You're slinging all that water everywhere.
Paul G (17:44):
Yeah.
With this chemical in it thatnobody knows what it does to you
because they've never done anytesting on it.
They have no idea what it doesto humans.
Andrea (17:53):
Okay, don't we have like some oh, it's like an OSHA book
or whatever, MSDS, where everychemical known to man that
you're supposed to have, like Iguess this is the 1930s, MSDS
came out.
Paul G (18:04):
19 this is 2014.
Andrea (18:06):
But I just remember like when all that like hospital
training about know where theMSDS manual is and what you're
exposed to and what symptoms andlook at the the carcinogenic,
like you know, skull andcrossbones thing.
Paul G (18:18):
It'll give you a third eye.
Andrea (18:20):
You know, that kind of thing.
And I'm thinking, uh, do theynot obviously this chemical
thing know what it does.
Paul G (18:25):
Cleans coal.
Andrea (18:27):
Then they have to know something about it, but
obviously they're not gonna gethere, 20 people, drink this,
let's test it and see what itdoes to you.
They're not gonna do that, butyou would have an idea, wouldn't
you?
Paul G (18:37):
I have no, they had never tested it on humans or
animals.
Andrea (18:42):
Hopefully they're testing testing it now.
Turns out, no, they're not.
Why not?
Paul G (18:50):
Limited animal testing that they did was at the time of
the spill.
And they didn't find anything,so they quit doing it.
Um and they didn't they'venever followed up with the
community.
Publicly followed up with thecommunity about this stuff.
Andrea (19:07):
Okay, like we know certain exposures we have now
can go Welcome to the governmentcan give you cancer, like down
the road.
They used to think cell phoneswould give you cancer, then eggs
would give you cancer, thensomething else would give you
cancer.
Paul G (19:20):
5G is scrambling my brain, man.
Andrea (19:22):
You know what I'm saying?
It's like I either this companyis like so embarrassed that
they like, you know, we justcross our fingers and hope
nobody gets cancer or it's morethan the company, I think it's
the EPA at that point.
Or grows a third nipple becauseof whatever they drank.
Paul G (19:37):
I mean it depends.
You might like that.
So we can hand that out, youknow.
We could sell that.
So it's guaranteed to grow athird nipple in two weeks.
There'd be people that they'rebuying that.
Guaranteed.
Andrea (19:49):
I don't want to know who those people are.
I'm happy for you that that'syour desire to have a third
nipple, but yeah.
Paul G (19:56):
Does it work?
Can you feed a kid off of it?
That's what I'm gonna know.
Andrea (20:00):
Why would you not test it?
Because I would like to thinkthat you would like to know so
that maybe you don't get suedmore down the road.
Paul G (20:07):
They don't.
They don't seem that didn'tcare.
They still don't care.
There has been nothing done.
Andrea (20:12):
Well, they think population control for West
Virginia.
If anybody from West Virginiawere we don't know Margaret
Sanger's ghost.
Paul G (20:20):
Just saying.
Do your do your research beforeyou go bitching at me about
Mark bashing Margaret Sanger.
Go read one of her speeches,especially the one she gave to
the Nazis, and then you can thenwe'll have a conversation.
Just saying.
Andrea (20:36):
I would like to think that they, but I guess they did
maybe liked her.
Yeah, I don't remember youtelling me that.
I read some stuff on her, butI'm like, okay.
Yeah.
Paul G (20:45):
Do your research if you're gonna bash me about
Margaret Sanger.
She was not a good person.
Andrea (20:50):
Oh, so they don't do any testing.
They basically are like, hey,analogy of vomiting, you guys
will be fine.
Have a great day.
Paul G (20:56):
Yeah, basically.
And then you know when they gotthey they quit drinking it,
they quit using it, they wentand got bottled water, you know.
They brought in a little bit ofpotable, potable.
I don't know if it's potable orpotable.
Andrea (21:08):
Yeah, potable water, yeah.
Paul G (21:10):
They brought in a little bit of that, and people got to,
you know, whatever, you know,National Guard kind of thing.
Andrea (21:15):
But then when they're like, Oh clear guys, turn on
your pipes.
Paul G (21:18):
Yeah.
Andrea (21:18):
And then is there any residual of this chemical in the
city?
Paul G (21:21):
So they had to run it for like two hours or three
hours or something like thatbefore they could use it again.
Run it wide open.
Andrea (21:28):
So they're not doing any research how they know two,
three hours is good.
Paul G (21:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Andrea (21:32):
I'm just saying.
Paul G (21:34):
Yeah, it's you know, when you mix it with chlorine,
it turns into uranium.
We don't know, we haven't triedit.
Andrea (21:41):
That makes me uh this is where conspiracy theories are
born.
Paul G (21:45):
Exactly.
Andrea (21:46):
And this is where people like hold on to this, you know,
prepper mentality of stuff.
Paul G (21:50):
Fluoride is gonna make me crazy.
Andrea (21:54):
I get it.
Paul G (21:54):
They're tracking me with through my teeth now because of
the fluoride.
Andrea (21:58):
But uh but you like you're telling me pour a glass
of water, you're gonna be likelooking at it and like
wondering, and like, you know,has this been going on for
months, and then finallysomebody calls in and it's like,
hey, it tastes like chocolatecake or whatever it is.
Paul G (22:10):
I think that's what happened here.
Probably went on for about aweek before anybody said
anything because it was startedslow over time until it got the
leaks.
Leaks don't just burst open.
Andrea (22:22):
It's a slow leak and it eventually got in.
Paul G (22:25):
What I want to know is why at the municipality, when
they're bringing the water in,you know, they have to filter
that.
It's river water.
You want, you know, dysentery.
Ever heard of that?
Andrea (22:35):
Yeah, you can't.
Paul G (22:36):
Just saying.
You can't drink America'srivers because of dysentery.
Andrea (22:40):
Yeah, it's got bacteria and all sorts of stuff that
we're not allowed to have in ourbody.
In Europe, you Well, the wayback then you can probably
drink.
Paul G (22:47):
Well, it's their rivers aren't as large as ours.
Andrea (22:51):
Yeah.
Paul G (22:51):
The Thames is not big at all.
Andrea (22:54):
I don't think I'd drink out of the Thames.
Paul G (22:55):
No, I wouldn't drink out of the Thames.
They've been they've beenpouring rancid crap in there for
400 years.
Andrea (23:01):
Oh, talk about thousands of years, probably.
Paul G (23:03):
More than likely.
But I mean Jack the Ripper swamin it though.
Andrea (23:07):
Who knows?
Probably.
I mean, my point is is like itmakes you like not really
afraid, but like, why are peoplenot saying something sooner?
I mean, we don't know.
We're just we're speculatinghere, but I can imagine, like
you said, it's a gradual thing.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yeah.
Andrea (23:24):
And people are kind of like, maybe they kind of like
got used to it or cognitivedissonance on all of it.
Paul G (23:32):
Well, you know, what's that old saying that I say all
the time?
You put a frog in a pot and youturn the heat up slow, and he'd
be like, hmm, this feels great.
Andrea (23:41):
And then he's eventually like cooked and eaten.
Paul G (23:43):
Yeah.
And he has no idea it justhappened.
Andrea (23:46):
Which is like sad because it makes you wonder
about like other things, youknow.
Yeah.
You know, government doesn'twant to be wrong, and we
understand that.
Paul G (23:55):
It's not the government that doesn't want to be wrong,
it's the people running thegovernment.
Everybody, this is where theconspiracy theories get off the
rail.
They f they try to blameeverything on the big government
conspiracy.
When really it's the you know,a few people who either just
don't give a shit or are ineptor incompetent that are running
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the joint, and it ends up beingan accidental conspiracy.
Andrea (24:25):
Well, if you've made a mistake, and you didn't uh
obviously this Tom Burvat thingor whatever, giant whatever you
want to call it, wasn'tinspected, wasn't looked at.
Okay.
But if you made a mistake, ownit and just apologize.
Paul G (24:40):
Well, they did.
They sued the freedom people.
That's the name of the company.
Oh, okay.
Freedom Industries.
Andrea (24:50):
Freedom So Freedom Industries, like, we messed up.
Paul G (24:53):
Yeah, and they paid them $150 million and then went
bankrupt.
So yeah.
So that means they never paidthe $150 million, I bet you a
dollar.
Andrea (25:01):
So I don't think anybody that won any lawsuits probably
got their money or anycompensation.
I would imagine.
I would imagine that they hadprobably spent quite a bit of
money to clean up that.
And what makes me wonder islike, okay, I would think if
it's something like super hugethat maybe you would like, I'm
just speculating here, youwouldn't be able to drink out of
it, not necessarilyimmediately, but like I would
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think that like this lakes, thisthis river's messed up.
We gotta find more water, wecan't ever use it again because
of this leak.
I mean, obviously, they didsomething to clean it up rather
quickly.
Paul G (25:32):
Yeah.
So the company, the formerpresident Gary Southern, former
operations manager of FreedomIndustries, Dennis Farrell, they
were charged with violations ofthe Clean Water Act, a
conspiracy, and negligentdischarge of pollutants.
Andrea (25:54):
I guess not to self.
If you have vats out there fromthe 1930s, anywhere near a
water source in your company,you might want to check on them.
Yeah.
Paul G (26:00):
So they they pled guilty.
Andrea (26:01):
I mean, what what can they say?
Paul G (26:03):
They uh not guilty by received home confinement.
Andrea (26:07):
I guess you could say like not guilty because they
it's the environment that thetank rested, but they're guilty
because they didn't check on it.
Paul G (26:14):
Yeah, Gary Southern, the the former the president of
Freedom Industries, who knewthat this was leaking and didn't
do anything and then tried tocover it up because you don't
get convicted or plead guilty toconspiracy unless you did those
things.
Andrea (26:28):
I would like to think that yeah, they had enough
evidence.
We're like, dude, you need toplead guilty or else you're
gonna be like, you know, uhmaybe facing if anybody dies,
facing, you know, murdercharges.
Paul G (26:38):
Fun fact federal prosecutors don't bring charges
against you unless they'repretty sure because their
conviction rate is 99%.
Andrea (26:46):
In other words, don't get in trouble with the
government.
Paul G (26:48):
Yeah, if a federal prosecutor charges you with
something, they have no problemproving it.
They're not gonna do it unlessthey know.
Andrea (26:57):
I mean, that makes sense.
How about that?
Paul G (26:59):
You only get one chance 99%, though.
Andrea (27:01):
But you get one shot to charge somebody, so you really
gotta make sure you got itright.
Paul G (27:05):
So, yeah, you got home confinement for six months.
Andrea (27:09):
Home confinement.
Paul G (27:10):
A millionaire, probably a billionaire.
Andrea (27:13):
Oh, he's having a great time.
Paul G (27:14):
Yeah, he's sitting at home, probably got a pool, hot
tub, you know.
He just has to have his wife goget the booze and food.
Andrea (27:23):
But if you think about it, I mean he's eventually gonna
go back to work one side, let'sjust be maybe.
And how are you gonna put thison your resume?
I polluted a river and a bunchof people got sick.
Paul G (27:33):
Yeah.
What'd you do?
And you know, some companiesdon't care.
I mean, Enron people are stillworking.
Andrea (27:38):
What'd you do in your last job?
Paul G (27:39):
I mean, yeah, exactly.
But they, you know, they theyhave convictions.
Andrea (27:46):
That's better than some things.
Yeah, I will admit that we'veheard.
Like the only thing that thiscase reminded me of when you
brought it up earlier before westarted recording, is that one
where how when was it when wehad all the trains like
wrecking, like every train, likethree trains wrecked or
something like that you'retalking about that uh you're
talking about the the thePennsylvania train wreck is that
word?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think it's that.
Paul G (28:07):
And I remember I remember East Palestine, Ohio,
the northern southern trainderailment in 23.
Andrea (28:17):
That's what you're talking about.
Yeah, I remember going, I don'twant to ride a train.
Too many trains are wrecking.
Paul G (28:22):
Well, it wasn't a passenger train.
Andrea (28:24):
But you know what I'm saying?
It's like made me think like,what is going on with the train
people?
Paul G (28:28):
Yeah, February 23rd, 2023 is when they when that
wrecked.
They uh 38 cars derailed uhfull of vinyl chloride, which is
what they make plastics out of.
And that'll kill you.
Andrea (28:45):
Didn't they have to?
I think if I remember, didn'tone of the towns have to be
evacuated?
Oh yeah, and because it was sobad.
Paul G (28:50):
Uh because it it could explode.
Andrea (28:54):
Somebody out there lighting their cigarette and
boom.
Paul G (28:57):
Boom.
And uh and 500,000 gallons ofvinyl chloride.
No, thank you.
Andrea (29:05):
I mean, you really an industrial this is why the
hospital has like protocols andlike have like code such and
such for an internal externaldisaster.
Paul G (29:15):
Hydrogen chloride is what you're left with when it
burns.
Andrea (29:18):
Hydrogen chloride.
Paul G (29:19):
Yeah.
Andrea (29:20):
You can't even you can't light that.
It's like a giant Hindenburgright there in your front y'all,
front lawn, right?
Paul G (29:25):
No, hydrogen chloride.
Andrea (29:27):
Chloride.
Paul G (29:27):
I think if hydrogen the Hindenburg is what happens when
you I think it's the same thingakin to mixing bleach and
ammonia.
Andrea (29:36):
Oh, geez.
Paul G (29:37):
Yeah.
And phosgene, phosgene,phosgene?
I don't know.
Our dog Pluto, he's in here.
He's like, Well, I'm trying tosleep.
Shut up.
Whatever, dog.
Andrea (29:49):
But you know, I mean, uh really an industrial accident
could be anywhere at any time,at any point, whether it's a
train, whether it's a truck.
Um, you know, we have long haultruckers that hold stuff.
I don't know.
Paul G (30:03):
If this is hazardous on it, you don't hit it.
Andrea (30:06):
I always told my kids if it's hazardous, you need to
like merge ahead of it.
Paul G (30:10):
Get away from it, get away from it.
Andrea (30:12):
But like uh it makes you kind of like a plane falls.
I like to think the plane wouldnot have chemicals, but it
would have some sort ofindustrial thing.
Paul G (30:20):
Well, you they'd have to have the chemicals if they're
gonna do all the you know.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Oh, the the the other conspiracy theory thing.
Paul G (30:30):
What do they call it?
The mosquitoes, like way backin the day.
No, the contrails.
People say contrails.
Andrea (30:37):
Oh gosh.
When people were laughing, Iwas like, really?
That's just exhaust coming onthe plane.
Paul G (30:42):
It's not even exhaust, it's just condensation from the
hot air.
Andrea (30:45):
And I'm kind of like, it has nothing to do with
anything, and it's the plane,they're not trying to kill us.
Paul G (30:50):
Do the math.
That thing when if it starts onthe horizon and goes across the
horizon, you can see thecontrail from one horizon to the
other.
Okay.
Right.
That plane that's a couple ofhundred miles.
That's not thirty miles, that'sa couple hundred miles from one
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horizon to the other.
Okay?
So it's spraying chemicals acouple of hundred miles.
Now let's think about thislogically think through this for
a second.
To get that much water orchemical on that plane, the
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plane isn't going to be largeenough to get it in the air.
It can't lift that much.
Andrea (31:45):
So why are people freaking out about it?
Paul G (31:46):
I don't know, they're not doing the math.
You can go back to World War IIand look at um look at pictures
of the uh the um B-52s going toEngland, right?
And they get way up in the sky.
And there's contrailseverywhere, hundreds of them.
Andrea (32:02):
They're kind of pretty to look at.
I mean, if you think about it.
Paul G (32:05):
But I don't it's not a new thing.
Andrea (32:06):
I don't sit there and go, oh god, I'm gonna die.
Paul G (32:08):
You can't put that much water.
He's scratching.
Yeah, you can't put it, youcan't put that much water in the
airplane and get it off and getit up in the air.
It's too heavy.
Because you imagine how muchwater to have that large a vapor
trail, right?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, I just so yeah.
Paul G (32:30):
Anyway, sorry, I got off on a I just like no.
I'm just people come on,people, use your brain just a
touch.
Andrea (32:39):
I'm not a doomsday prepper.
Paul G (32:41):
Well what's the what's the number one thing?
If you're if you're out thereand you're conspiracy theorists,
the one number one thing youhave to remember, what have what
I've always said?
Andrea (32:50):
You've always told me the government doesn't really
care about you because you'rejust like one individual little
peon.
Yeah in the cogwheel of lots ofpeons.
We're not that interesting.
Paul G (33:00):
We're not important enough for them to care about.
Andrea (33:01):
We're not that interesting.
I'm not that interesting.
Paul G (33:04):
Yeah.
You you you look at medicalcharts for a living, and I make
podcast stuff and videos.
And no, they don't give tworats' asses about us.
Andrea (33:17):
No, they don't.
Paul G (33:18):
They just want our taxes.
Andrea (33:19):
Which is fine.
Have our taxes.
We live in a country betterthan most around the world, so
I'm not complaining.
You know, so I'm not gonnacomplain.
But um but as far as likeyou're gonna like put chips in
my uh vaccinations or whateverlittle thing that you're going
off of, they they I'm not thatinteresting for them.
Paul G (33:39):
We can make them that small now.
That's the interesting part.
We can make microchips thatsmall.
The problem is you'd have tohave the radio.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah.
Paul G (33:48):
And if the radio is that small, then you're looking at
maybe a foot.
If it's and then the batterywould wear out in like an hour.
So it has to be an RFID, soit's a passive.
Yeah.
And then if it's passive, youknow how those work.
You go to the grocery store,put your card up there.
(34:08):
If you don't get close enoughor get in the right spot, it
doesn't read it.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah.
Paul G (34:12):
That's because it's passive.
But I don't know.
So yeah, it's a bunch of BS.
Andrea (34:17):
But this water situation, I don't think like
anybody's out there trying tolike do it on purpose.
I just think that they werenegligent and didn't actually
disinfect.
Paul G (34:25):
They didn't care, and it was gonna cost them a bunch of
money to fix that water tank.
That's why they pled guilty.
They didn't care.
Andrea (34:33):
They pled guilty because uh probably they got a nice
plea deal out of it.
Paul G (34:38):
More than like, yeah, I mean at the six months home
probation.
Andrea (34:42):
But from what we can read, nobody died.
Nobody died, which is prettygood considering some of the
things that have happened.
Paul G (34:50):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Andrea (34:53):
I mean, the only bad thing that I know Corpus
Christi.
Paul G (34:56):
Remember that one?
Vaguely.
Yeah.
What'd they dump in there?
Oh my gosh.
Looking at my notes.
Uh they dumped chemical indulinAA86, an asphalt emulsifier
into the water system.
Andrea (35:16):
Okay, that just sounds like blatant negligence.
Like, we're gonna dump this inhere.
Good luck, guys.
Enjoy it.
Hope you don't get cancer.
Paul G (35:22):
Petroleum, industrial, petroleum-derived industrial
chemical.
Andrea (35:27):
This isn't like petroleum jelly here that you
women use.
Paul G (35:30):
We're talking about asphalt's made from diesel fuel.
Yeah.
Andrea (35:37):
Okay, so they do we know oil.
Did they do it on purpose?
Paul G (35:41):
No, it was an accident.
Andrea (35:43):
Everything's an accident.
But you want it to be anaccident, because if you do it
on purpose, then that'sconsidered, you know, for them.
Paul G (35:49):
I for the the the Houston one, um they it spilled
into the reservoir by accident,and then it got sucked up.
Andrea (36:02):
So is nobody paying attention where their reservoirs
are compared to where you'redumping chemicals at?
Paul G (36:07):
I I no, it well, they weren't dumping.
It it's it broke open orsomething.
I I'm not really I'm looking atit here and it doesn't it's a
backflow cross-connection areaera uh issue.
So it was more than likelysomebody flipped the wrong
switch.
Andrea (36:24):
Note to self before you go to put chemicals somewhere.
Make sure that you don't haveit anywhere where people drink
water.
Paul G (36:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I'm thinking.
Well, I don't know why theywere doing that in the first
place.
Andrea (36:35):
Why don't you put it completely away from the
drinking water system and makesure there's no reservoirs it
leaks into that can give youthis problem?
Paul G (36:42):
Exactly.
Andrea (36:44):
I don't understand.
Paul G (36:45):
Well, I don't know why they didn't look at it.
I mean the Houston one wasliterally probably just an
accident.
It wasn't any malfeasance, youknow.
There wasn't a malicious therethey weren't being malignant
about it, you know.
Malicious.
Andrea (37:00):
I would like to think though.
Just just pay attention wherethis stuff is sitting at or
where it's gonna go if it leaksor monetary.
It does.
It makes you think like what'saround it, where's it coming
from?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah.
Andrea (37:15):
Is there anything that we have around here that could
leak into it?
I mean, it makes you think, butnobody thinks about that
because you take advantage ofthe fact that knowing that if
you pay your water bill, youwalk over the sink and you turn
it on, you have water.
Yeah, you don't really questionwhere it comes from.
Paul G (37:31):
I don't understand why they didn't filter it out or at
least have some kind of sensorthat says this is not good
stuff.
Andrea (37:38):
It makes you wonder though, if in the future there's
gonna be like somebody that'sgonna be one of those uh crazy,
like, you know, everybody's outto get us, and they're gonna
invent something like you put ona Brita filter and you turn it
on, and if it turns red, there'ssomething bad.
Paul G (37:50):
They already have that, actually.
Andrea (37:51):
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, you know, I rememberwhen the Britta pictures came
out, and that was like, ooh, todispute It was just a charcoal
filter, it wouldn't do anythingthat good.
I know, but I remember likethat was a thing, you know, not
really like a super thing, but Iremember like people getting
them for their tap water and youknow and all this other stuff.
Paul G (38:07):
And then you have to change the filters and well,
what worries me is that somebodycould hijack a train or a a
semi-truck hauling the vinylchloride.
Yeah, and they can have itwreck into an area or yeah, and
then they just open the gasket amile upstream from the intake,
(38:33):
and as soon as it sucks it inthere, they could just set it on
fire, and now you've got agreen cloud that's gonna destroy
your lungs hovering over thetown, and because it's like the
the remember the uh landman wewere watching?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Right, yeah.
Paul G (38:51):
There's a chemical that's a that that is created
when oil is made is created inthe ground.
Andrea (38:58):
Yeah, because I remember we're watching it and I'm like,
what is making these guys getsick?
Paul G (39:01):
They were more than getting sick.
Yeah, they're gonna die.
They were dying.
And it's the chemical itself,and I deleted that.
I deleted it.
Andrea (39:12):
But it comes out of the processing of making um
gasoline, basically.
No, no, no, no, no.
Paul G (39:18):
Not gasoline, or is it no it was um in the ground when
organic material turns into oil,okay, it creates oil and this
gas.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Okay.
Paul G (39:30):
And it it's odorless, has no color, and you don't know
it.
So when they're drilling theseoil rigs, right, they're pulling
off this the oil, but they'realso releasing gas.
Now, some of that gas isnatural gas, is what we burn.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah.
Paul G (39:48):
Right?
Because natural gas is fromoil.
Uh and then some of it is thisstuff that they have to wear
monitors when they're on the oilfield.
Because you they'll never know.
And what'll happen is youbreathe it in just a little bit
and it destroys uh the smallblood vessels.
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And you just you're dead.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah.
Paul G (40:14):
You just fall down and dead.
It makes you you start throwingup and your your lungs fill
with water and then thecapillaries in your eyes will
burst.
Yeah.
And it's it's like the hotshotfrom a still.
Don't drink the hot shot from astill because that's
turpentine.
Andrea (40:33):
Yeah, I remember being told about that.
Paul G (40:38):
Ray Charles, that's why he was blind because he drank
the hotshot.
Andrea (40:41):
Yeah, you have to let it in the still go off for so long
because it's like or theforeshot as they used to call
it.
Paul G (40:47):
Four shot, hotshot, yeah.
Andrea (40:49):
And then um it your kidneys don't process it or
something like that.
I remember reading it like wayback in the day when people had
stills on their you know, makingtheir own stuff.
Paul G (40:57):
It dissolves the cap the the the capillaries in the back
of your eye.
Andrea (41:02):
That's crazy.
Paul G (41:03):
In the nerves.
It take you go blind everytime.
It says on uh tollulene, whichis the kid the industrial
version of that.
I used tollulene to clean mypaint gun when I was when I
owned the parking lot business.
And that because it got rid ofeverything, nothing could stand
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against it.
And that's the reason I usedit.
But when I used it, it said onthe can, if you get even a
little bit on this of this onyour hand, you could go blind
within 10 minutes.
Andrea (41:37):
Oh, that's a nice black box warning, but at least they
put it on there.
Paul G (41:40):
Well it's on there, but it's a great chemical for
removing everything except forthe metal and the plastic.
Because the plastic's thatspecial plastic that you can put
any cabal cloud in it and won'twon't destroy it.
That the tips are made out of,the little paint tips with spray
tips.
Andrea (41:57):
But uh essentially the like learning all this
information for this podcastmakes me uh m probably we all
need to be more heightened awareof our environment.
Paul G (42:05):
Yeah.
If your water smells funny,don't drink it.
Andrea (42:08):
Especially if it smells sweet, don't drink it.
Paul G (42:10):
Yeah.
Well here's the thing.
If they boiled it, they wouldjust aerosol it.
And you'd you'd breathe it in.
Andrea (42:17):
Oh god.
Paul G (42:18):
Yeah.
unknown (42:19):
Yeah.
Andrea (42:20):
Lord knows what it would do to inside of your lungs.
Paul G (42:22):
Well, obviously, so fortunately in this case,
nothing.
Andrea (42:26):
But you don't know.
Paul G (42:27):
It's pretty irritant, is all it is.
Andrea (42:28):
But you don't know in other cases, and other things
come out of it.
Paul G (42:30):
But if it would have been vinyl chloride, they'd be
dead.
Yeah.
That's not good.
You don't want to breathe thatliquid stuff in.
They make plastic with that.
I think vinyl chloride inpropane, or not propane, but
something to do with naturalgas.
You put them together, heatthem a touch, and you got
plastic.
Andrea (42:47):
We have every environmental person probably
listening to this just screamingabout how this is bad.
Paul G (42:51):
Yeah.
Anybody who knows what we'retalking about is like, no, of
course not.
Andrea (42:57):
This is why plastic is evil.
Everything's made out ofplastic.
Let's just be realistic here.
Paul G (43:01):
So we didn't do true crime this week.
We talked about something else.
Andrea (43:05):
Which I thought was interesting because it something
I didn't know, which I thoughtwas awesome.
Thanks, Paul.
Paul G (43:10):
Well, um is it awesome?
We don't know.
Would do you guys like it, ordo you want us to go back to
only true crime, or do you wantus to continue on the path of
self-destruct?
I mean, different sub subjects.
Andrea (43:21):
I say let's sprinkle it in.
Let's just make it in.
Let's have a mixture.
Why not?
Paul G (43:26):
I could say something real bad, but I'm not going to.
Andrea (43:29):
We have like air rules that you know we can't beat.
Paul G (43:31):
Yeah, we can say whatever we want.
Say or do whatever we want onair.
Andrea (43:35):
For now, I'm sure someone's gonna regulate it.
Paul G (43:38):
Eventually.
Well, I don't know.
Is this the free speech?
Uh the free speech wild west.
Andrea (43:45):
We're they can't in America, they can't every Wild
West ends up with rules in theend.
Paul G (43:51):
I'm Wild Bill.
Andrea (43:53):
No, I'm not.
I'll go on that scary, butokay.
Paul G (43:57):
No.
I'm not Wild Bill.
If I was Wild Bill, I'd becursing and stuff.
Andrea (44:00):
Yeah, that's why I try not to curse on air, because it
just it's not, you know.
Paul G (44:05):
They can say shit on national TV now.
No one says anything.
Andrea (44:09):
I remember when that was like a bad thing to say.
Paul G (44:11):
Yeah, you couldn't do that.
Now you can.
You can say it all you want.
I don't care.
Andrea (44:15):
Yeah.
Paul G (44:16):
But if you like the sprinkling of an in of different
kind of things that went overjust to kind of learn something,
because that's what we like todo, honestly.
We like to learn stuff.
So if you like that, let usknow.
Uh yeah, let us know.
By emailing us at Paul G Newtonor Paul G at Paulgnewton.com.
That's Paul G atPaulgnewton.com.
(44:36):
I'm not giving you Andrew'semail address because no.
What?
Andrea (44:43):
Half the time my email just gets buried in other stuff.
Paul G (44:46):
You know, yeah.
I have to like I sent you anemail.
Andrea (44:49):
Yeah, I'm like, okay.
Paul G (44:53):
Anyhow.
So we had some complaints thatour episodes are too long.
Andrea (44:57):
Really?
Paul G (44:58):
Yeah, they don't like it being in 45 minutes to an hour.
Andrea (45:01):
I thought that's what most people liked.
Paul G (45:03):
Well, that's why I did the other one, uh, Paul G's
Corner.
Because it's only last 15minutes at most.
Andrea (45:11):
I guess everybody has her in the some people like it,
some people don't.
You know, we did the best wecan.
Paul G (45:18):
You know, I like pecan pie, but I won't eat it.
Andrea (45:21):
Yeah.
Paul G (45:22):
Because it's nothing but a jar of K Row syrup and two ta
two half pound of butter,basically what it is.
Andrea (45:30):
It's not that much butter.
Paul G (45:32):
No, two sticks is a half pound.
It's a pound of butter, it'sfour sticks.
Andrea (45:35):
Oh.
Paul G (45:35):
I haven't half pound of butter and a jar of K row syrup.
Andrea (45:40):
I haven't made it in a while, so but hey, we're open to
feedback.
Paul G (45:45):
What my dad said, fat front moving in.
Andrea (45:47):
Oh no, I used to always laugh when he'd say that.
But we're open to feedback.
Some people like, you know,maybe we'll do some 45 minutes,
some 30 minutes, some an hour.
Paul G (45:56):
I mean, it just So also, too, we're gonna start offering
places on our podcast whereAndrew and I will review
people's products or services.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Okay.
Paul G (46:07):
That's what we talked about.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah, yeah.
Paul G (46:10):
And uh, you know, they give us 50 or 100 bucks to do
it.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, why not?
Paul G (46:15):
Yeah.
So if you want us to reviewyou.
Andrea (46:18):
Your business.
Not your personal business, butyour business idiot.
Paul G (46:23):
We can do the personal business.
We can we can tell you how bigof an idiot you are.
I value no death threats, so uhI'm sure I wasn't actually
talking about you directly.
I was talking in general, you.
Andrea (46:40):
Yes.
Paul G (46:41):
Or maybe you can call and tell us about your family,
and for 50 bucks we'll put youon air.
What?
No, you don't think so?
Andrea (46:50):
Proven interviews.
Paul G (46:53):
All right, visit Paul G Newton.com, go to get your swag,
and buy a cool t-shirt.
You should see the t-shirts areactually really, really cool.
Andrea approves of most ofthem.
Andrea (47:04):
Yeah, those were really good.
The Christmas ones are funny.
Paul G (47:06):
Yeah, the Christmas one.
Santa got arrested, just so youknow.
I don't think that's if youwant to know about Santa being
arrested, you have to go look atthe shirt.
Andrea (47:14):
Hey, buy a shirt and then tell us a story of why
Santa got arrested and we'llread it on air.
Paul G (47:18):
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Or maybe, you know, he was justin the wrong place at the wrong
time.
Andrea (47:23):
Yeah.
Paul G (47:24):
He ate, you know, they left you milk cookies, but these
days you have to watch what'sin those cookies.
Andrea (47:30):
Might be razor blades.
Paul G (47:31):
It might be a bunch of THC, and he's like, um, Santa
Claus, don't you know?
Poor Santa.
I'm looking for my ho ho hoes.
Oh my god.
Andrea (47:46):
All right.
All right.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
What else?
I think that's it.
You sure?
Andrea (47:49):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
All right, all right.
Bye.
unknown (47:51):
Bye.
Well there's no problem.
If you had a gun, shoot him inthe head.
Paul G (00:09):
I guess since since we quit doing the interviews on
Paul G's Corner, and I figuredI'd repurpose the music because
I like the shoot 'em in the headthing.
Andrea (00:20):
Yeah, especially if we figured out what it goes to.
Paul G (00:22):
Yeah.
We were watching what movie?
Andrea (00:24):
The Living Knight of the Living Dead.
Paul G (00:26):
Or The Walking Dead.
Andrea (00:27):
No, it was the Knight of the Living Dead, the old
original black and white.
Paul G (00:30):
Yeah.
Andrea (00:31):
And he says it at the end.
Paul G (00:32):
Yeah, the the sheriff guy.
As long as you shoot him in thehead, you had no problem.
Andrea (00:36):
Yeah.
Which we had no idea.
Yeah.
I mean, at all, until wewatched that.
And then we're like, that'swhere that comes from.
Paul G (00:42):
We were sitting there watching.
I was like, hey.
Yup.
Alright.
Enough of that.
Anyhow, this is things I wantto know, man.
Paul G.
Andrea (00:54):
Andrea Newton.
Paul G (00:57):
You're so full of spunk today.
Andrea (01:01):
Oh, whatever.
What are we talking abouttoday?
Well, I hey this is your show.
Paul G (01:06):
It's not my show.
Andrea (01:07):
Well, you're the one that did the research on this
one.
Paul G (01:09):
Well, I I read you the research.
Andrea (01:11):
Yes.
You're the one that found it,though.
Paul G (01:14):
I know.
And I thought I said it's it'snot um it's not murder or
anything.
Andrea (01:20):
No, we don't always have to call cover murder.
We just, you know, lately thatseems to be our stick.
Now we you wanted to cover thisone.
I thought it was reallyinteresting and makes me uh
rethink of stuff that comes intothe house.
unknown (01:33):
Yeah.
Paul G (01:35):
It's one thing we don't think about as a water supply.
Andrea (01:38):
No, but if you mess up the water supply, you mess up a
lot.
Paul G (01:43):
Yeah.
And it it it's almost a crime.
I mean, to be honest.
If you think about it.
Andrea (01:50):
I mean, I guess if anybody wanted to mess with the
United States, I guess messingwith the water and the food
supply would be the number onething, I think, to get us to our
knees.
Paul G (01:58):
Yeah, they were really worried about that post-9-11.
Andrea (02:00):
Which makes sense.
Paul G (02:02):
It was a big deal, and they were New York was really
into it.
Because yeah, they could poisonthe beaver water district
that's here in Arkansas,northwest Arkansas.
Everybody gets their water fromBeaver Lake.
That's what it was made for.
Um not a high it was ahydroelectric highlight
hydroelectricity.
(02:22):
Is that right?
Did I say it correctly?
Andrea (02:26):
I don't even know what you were trying to say.
Hydroelectricity.
Paul G (02:32):
And water.
We're supposed to get our watersupply from that.
So we get everybody's watercomes out of that.
I think except for Decatur.
Andrea (02:38):
Yeah, but it was interesting though, is when I
lived on well, doctors wouldalways like give me a hard time
about you must have your welltested and this, that, and the
other, and this, that, and theother.
And then this case we're aboutto go over, people should stop
just narking and making fun ofpeople on wells.
It happens with your publicwater system too.
Paul G (02:55):
Yeah.
So I guess so.
What we're talking about is thecapital of West Virginia.
And some of you may rememberthis, probably not, is what I
would what I would think,because you probably won't
remember this.
Um and it's in Is itCharleston?
(03:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You stupid.
My computer went crazy with allmy notes on it.
Andrea (03:24):
But it makes me like when you we read the case of
what we're about to present, Iit it makes me think a little
bit twice about the water supplycoming in.
Yeah.
Paul G (03:33):
It's a Charleston, West Virginia.
Founded in 1788.
Andrea (03:39):
Really?
Paul G (03:39):
Yeah.
It's um just after this theAmerican Revolution.
Andrea (03:45):
For some reason I was thinking it'd be earlier than
that, but I guess West we didn'thave West Virginia.
Paul G (03:49):
Western didn't show up until 1640s.
Andrea (03:50):
But we didn't have Westward a whole lot of Westward
expansion until after theRevolutionary War, so that makes
sense.
Paul G (03:55):
West Virginia was uh the the the frontier at the time, I
think.
Andrea (04:00):
That's so crazy when you think about it.
Paul G (04:02):
Yeah.
Yeah, now it's like ah, WestVirginia.
Andrea (04:05):
There's really no frontier in the United States.
Paul G (04:07):
Did John Denver sing a stupid song about this place?
Andrea (04:11):
Something like that.
Take me home, something likethat.
I don't remember.
Paul G (04:15):
It's name for Charles Clendon.
Clendon in C L E N D E N I N.
Clendonin.
Andrea (04:24):
Okay.
Paul G (04:25):
Clendon in and in.
He's cool.
If he was selling Worcestersauce, you'd have trouble.
unknown (04:34):
Clinton.
Paul G (04:35):
Charles Clendon and Worcestershire's tiger sauce.
Andrea (04:40):
Just say hey.
Well Clinton.
Paul G (04:42):
Clinton?
What's that have got to do withanything?
Andrea (04:45):
Clinton.
Paul G (04:46):
Clendon.
Uh the state it's been thestate capital since 1877.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay.
Paul G (04:53):
That's interesting.
I didn't know.
I mean, so when you think ofstate capitals, though, you
think of a little bit biggertown than this.
Honestly.
I guess it's you know, if youhave like you would think that
Missouri, the state capital,would be like Kansas City.
Andrea (05:07):
But no, it's always Saint Joseph or something like
that.
They pick the county seat wayback when, and then like other
towns become popular, and Iguess.
Paul G (05:15):
That the can't the Missouri's capital has like
20,000 people in it.
Weird.
I know.
Little Rock is Little Rock'sthe biggest town.
Well, it used to be the biggesttown.
I think it still is, I suppose.
It's the second largest schooldistrict, though, is North
Little Rock.
The largest school district isnow Springdale out of Northwest
(05:36):
Arkansas.
Andrea (05:37):
I can't say Springdale would be bigger than Little
Rock.
Paul G (05:40):
It is.
It's the largest school.
And the only reason it's thelargest school district is
because it doesn't just coverSpringdale.
It goes out in the county.
Andrea (05:48):
Well, yeah, because there's a lot of little little
itty-bitty towns that more orless merge into Springdale.
Like this whole area is allmerging into one area.
Paul G (05:55):
So Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um it exists because of rivers,salt, coal, and chemicals.
Like I don't know what thechemicals things were.
Um it was uh structurally tiedto extractive and industrial
economies.
In other words, they had a lotof coal.
Andrea (06:15):
I mean that makes sense, isn't it like West Virginia,
Kentucky, the Tennessee, maybethose areas had a lot of coal
mining.
Paul G (06:25):
Yes, and industrial chemicals and stuff like that,
because they got the rivers.
So you have to have water ifyou want to do make chemicals.
Right.
So it's in the back to aboutWorld War One's when they
started doing all this numberall this stuff.
Um but in 2014 is when thishappened uh and it had about
(06:47):
51,000 people living in the cityof Charleston, which is small
for the state capital.
Andrea (06:54):
51,000.
Paul G (06:55):
51,000, but 190,000 people lived in Kanawa, Kanawa
Count County, which is thesurrounding county, and but the
water system, which is whatwe're talking about today, uh it
has about 300,000 people thatit gave water to.
Andrea (07:13):
So I'm guessing making an assumption here, maybe that
water's for a majority of thestate.
Paul G (07:20):
Uh no, probably not the majority, but I could see where
they could be seen that way.
Andrea (07:24):
Or maybe the county.
Paul G (07:25):
Yeah, well, definitely.
Well, obviously it's county.
Um but it's 78 to 80 percentwhite, you know, black,
Hispanic, just normal stuff.
And this was in what?
Andrea (07:34):
Oh, for 2014.
Paul G (07:36):
2014.
Yeah.
There were median householdincome was forty-two thousand
dollars.
Andrea (07:41):
$42,000.
Yeah.
That's still mind-blowing tome.
Paul G (07:45):
Today's dollars that'd probably be what $65, $70.
Andrea (07:50):
Probably, yeah.
That's like I don't know.
Like, we listened to some otherpodcasts and they talk about
the median household income, andwe're like, whoa! Makes us feel
like, you know, we're kind ofon the poor end here.
But then I don't know, like, Ican't imagine.
I just four oh, that's a lot.
Paul G (08:07):
Wow.
So um this all started, Iguess, back in the 1930s.
What happened was they builtthis chemical tank to hold this
chemical that um you cleanedcoal with.
Andrea (08:25):
Is it like like a giant tank, like a giant like water,
you know how the water towerkind of tank things?
Or are we talking like a tub?
Paul G (08:34):
On the ground.
On the ground, so kind of likea oil tank, like the gasoline
tanks you see whenever we wentto um Alabama.
Andrea (08:41):
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Paul G (08:43):
They were what the giant round tanks sitting on the
ground.
Andrea (08:47):
I think if that are like what the big giant propane
things look like.
Paul G (08:51):
No, it's bigger than that.
If it was just a propane tank,that wouldn't be anything.
Andrea (08:55):
Oh, so this thing's pretty good size.
Paul G (08:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's huge.
Huge, I say.
Huge.
Andrea (09:01):
Huge.
So it's just okay, 1930s tanks.
Paul G (09:07):
Yeah, so it's just sitting there rusting.
Andrea (09:09):
Oh, that doesn't sound good.
Paul G (09:10):
This is night, this is 2000, 2014.
It's almost it's almost ahundred-year-old tank that they
have this this chemical MCHM,uh, which is removing impurities
from coal is what it's usedfor.
Methylcyclohexane methanol.
Andrea (09:31):
Oh, none of that sounds good.
Paul G (09:33):
Oh, it's methanol?
That means it's an oil base.
Andrea (09:36):
Yeah, oil base.
Paul G (09:38):
Maybe.
No, methanol might be it couldbe plant-based.
Because you can get methanolfrom corn.
Andrea (09:44):
Yeah, you can get methyl from corn now, and you get
methanol from other yeah.
Or think it you can get organiconly organic properties, is it?
I'd have to look it up.
I'm not a I'm not a chemist.
Paul G (09:55):
If you break the word down, you can figure it out if
you're a chemist.
Methylcyclohexane.
So the hexane has something todo with the molecule makeup or
something.
Andrea (10:05):
I don't know.
The things they put in food andanything else, if you can't
pronounce it, it doesn't soundgood.
Paul G (10:11):
Usually.
Um, so it's been it was used toremove impurities from coal,
and they had oh man, they had uhthousands of gallons in this
thing and started leaking abouta mile up river from the from
the uh water intake.
Andrea (10:31):
Why uh I'm my first thought in my head is what idiot
decided to put this near ariver?
Paul G (10:37):
What idiot decided Well, put it near a river in case it
busts open, you can dilute it.
But what idiot put the uhdidn't decide that it was a bad
idea to put the municipal waterintake a mile downriver from it.
Because it came after.
Andrea (10:56):
That's true, you got a point there.
Uh you get a point there.
But uh yeah, I would uh theonly thing I would like to think
that somebody would choose thatis maybe it's its only water
source.
Paul G (11:06):
Yeah.
Andrea (11:07):
But then my next question would be okay, you know
these chemicals have been sincethe 1930s and they're sitting
near a water source, and this isyour only good water source for
lots of townsfolk.
Why don't you check on thatthing more often?
Paul G (11:19):
Yeah, just rusting away.
It's leaking out of the bottom,the you know, because it's been
there since the 1930s.
Well, the thing is, it for somereason it is excluded in
grandfathered in because it'sbeen there so long.
Andrea (11:33):
Oh, that makes you think if anything that's
grandfathered in, that's notgood.
Paul G (11:36):
Yeah.
Well, a lot of things are goodthat they're grandfathered in.
Well, yeah.
Like your signs.
You have a sign on yourbusiness, the town then annexes
that as part of the town, butthe sign regulations say you
can't have that, but I've hadthis sign up here for 40 years.
Andrea (11:49):
But a sign's not gonna kill people.
Paul G (11:51):
Well, it might hurt people.
If it falls over.
Andrea (11:53):
Well, that'd be any sign of any business you walk into.
I used to when I was a kid, youknow, the big TVs they put on
the wall or whatever.
I used to be paranoid that thatthing's gonna fall off the wall
and hit me in the head when Iwas little.
Like the, you know, daycaresand places.
Paul G (12:06):
Oh, where they hung them in the corner.
Andrea (12:07):
Or like, you know, yes, I'd be just like paranoid.
I would not stand underneathit.
Paul G (12:12):
I I'd have been like, hit me with one of those TVs.
I need the paycheck because I'dsue them.
You should have made sure thatwas attached.
Andrea (12:19):
At 12, I was not thinking that.
Or like six, I wasn't thinkingthat.
But I would like to think thatyou would check on this thing a
little bit more frequently.
Paul G (12:27):
Exactly.
Andrea (12:29):
But because things don't last forever, and I would like
to think a tank from the 1930sis probably not as well sound
as, say, from the tanks that aredesigned in 2014.
Paul G (12:40):
So this this chemical is kind of sweet.
It smells sweet.
Probably it makes sense if itwas organic.
Andrea (12:48):
If you turn on your water faucet and it's smelling
sweet, uh don't drink it.
I'd be like, what the blanketyblank is this, you know?
Paul G (12:57):
Yeah.
Uh let's not drink that.
Andrea (13:00):
Yeah, let's not drink that.
But at the same time, I thinkI'll bathe in it.
Paul G (13:05):
Maybe I'll turn orange or purple or green.
Andrea (13:08):
If um, but if you think about it, when we first moved
here, like I came from I camefrom the well.
Paul G (13:15):
So Well, I've come from Springdale, so I mean, I'm
pretty used to what she's aboutto tell you.
Andrea (13:19):
So anything any water, public water that I would take
taste from in town or like fromjobs or wherever, or like
doctor's office or whatever, Iwant to get a drink at the water
fountain, would always tastechemical to me because I'm used
to well water that doesn't havethat chlorine or that taste.
So I didn't to me when we movedin here, it was like strong,
but I figured it's city citywater, that's what it does.
Yeah, that's what it's supposedto.
Paul G (13:40):
But then I was like, look, this is burning my eyes.
Remember?
Andrea (13:47):
Yeah, and I would look at you like it's just the water
case.
No, it's regular water.
Paul G (13:51):
Freaking chlorine.
And uh so I did a littleresearch on that, and and I'm
like, this should not be thathigh.
Because the Springdale has likethe highest fluoride and the
highest chlorine of all.
Andrea (14:03):
Yeah.
Paul G (14:04):
They don't care.
Andrea (14:05):
I just figured it was just, you know, it's city water,
that's how it is.
Paul G (14:08):
Well, I went down and talked to the mayor of P Ridge,
and I said, Hey buddy, got aquestion for you.
Here's what this amount ofchlorine is supposed to be.
It's like 0.06 per thousandgallons or something like that
milliliter.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah.
Paul G (14:22):
And he's like, Okay, thank you for the information.
I was like, Cool, cool, cool.
And about a less than threeweeks later, that chlorine smell
was gone.
Somebody was screwing upsomewhere.
Andrea (14:34):
You think so?
Paul G (14:35):
Oh, yeah, because it you just chlorine's gone.
Andrea (14:37):
I mean, I just figured I got used to it because of being
in the city.
Paul G (14:40):
I go, I I know I wasn't getting used to it.
And I know because I see I didpool maintenance when I was
younger too.
Andrea (14:46):
Yeah.
Paul G (14:47):
So I knew that was not supposed to be that bad.
Andrea (14:49):
But any time that I would ever have water in the
city for whatever reason, italways smelled like a giant
chlorine pool to me.
No matter it's because Ifigured I'm used to the well
where it it's it's clear when itcomes out.
Paul G (15:00):
I mean, it's and it's well, your well was dug down
like 5,000 feet.
Andrea (15:04):
Oh, I made sure when we moved there that it was dug
deeper than what they said.
I don't know about that, butwhen they're drilling it, they
said, We hit water, and I said,I want you to go deeper.
And they I said, I'm paying youby the hour.
Paul G (15:16):
Do you care?
Andrea (15:17):
Yeah, baby drill.
And I don't even know how muchfurther they went down because I
heard of people saying thatwells run dry, and I'm thinking
in my thought process at thetime, I'm gonna live here till I
go to the nursing home.
So I want things to work.
Little did we know we end upmoving back into town, but you
know, it I just but I rememberlike going from the city to the
(15:37):
well water and thinking likewell water was amazing.
I'd never liked it, and Ialways found it to be it tasted
really like to me, like ultraclean.
But then I would go to thedoctor's office, you know, and
you have your annual checkup andthey ask you all these
questions, and then they'relike, Do you live on a well?
And yes, and then I'd get likethis 15-minute lecture about how
I need to have test my well andmake sure there's not chemicals
(16:00):
and there's chicken plantrunoff and this, that, and the
other.
Paul G (16:02):
My argument was, well, what about your city water?
Andrea (16:05):
And then we hear this, listen to this, and I'm like, we
should like really be payingattention when the water comes
out of the tap and it smellslike a chuck like a cake.
It's sweet, you know what I'msaying?
Paul G (16:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So this water smelled sweet.
Um, but it didn't it didn'tleave any grease on you, you
know, with nothing.
But it gave people bad, badrashes and uh make them throw up
and vomit.
Yeah, because obviously ifsomething's making you puke,
then it's not good for you.
Andrea (16:33):
Well, if you go to the the ER and you're saying I'm
nausea and vomiting, yeah,they're instantly not gonna they
should ask you your well-waterquestions.
I would like to think that theydo.
No, but uh maybe in some ERsthey do.
Did you eat some bad fish?
Did you go but they're gonnainstantly let go what medicine?
You know, then their firstthought is uh it's the city
water, you know.
(16:53):
Which we should be morestudious to that, I would think.
Paul G (16:57):
Three hundred thousand people were getting up that
morning, bathing, running theirdishwasher, washing their
clothes, drinking it, makingcoffee, Kool-Aid for the kids,
you know.
Andrea (17:13):
Oh god, the aftermath of when you find find out what's
going on, you gotta go back andthink of everything that that
water's been in.
Paul G (17:22):
Yeah.
And then on top of that, whenthey say don't use the water,
they said don't bathe in it,don't drink it, don't use it for
washing, don't put it in youryard.
Right?
Because you could kill grass,who knows?
Turn your sprinklers on, uh,all your your thousands of
dollars of landscaping is nowdead.
Andrea (17:42):
You're slinging all that water everywhere.
Paul G (17:44):
Yeah.
With this chemical in it thatnobody knows what it does to you
because they've never done anytesting on it.
They have no idea what it doesto humans.
Andrea (17:53):
Okay, don't we have like some oh, it's like an OSHA book
or whatever, MSDS, where everychemical known to man that
you're supposed to have, like Iguess this is the 1930s, MSDS
came out.
Paul G (18:04):
19 this is 2014.
Andrea (18:06):
But I just remember like when all that like hospital
training about know where theMSDS manual is and what you're
exposed to and what symptoms andlook at the the carcinogenic,
like you know, skull andcrossbones thing.
Paul G (18:18):
It'll give you a third eye.
Andrea (18:20):
You know, that kind of thing.
And I'm thinking, uh, do theynot obviously this chemical
thing know what it does.
Paul G (18:25):
Cleans coal.
Andrea (18:27):
Then they have to know something about it, but
obviously they're not gonna gethere, 20 people, drink this,
let's test it and see what itdoes to you.
They're not gonna do that, butyou would have an idea, wouldn't
you?
Paul G (18:37):
I have no, they had never tested it on humans or
animals.
Andrea (18:42):
Hopefully they're testing testing it now.
Turns out, no, they're not.
Why not?
Paul G (18:50):
Limited animal testing that they did was at the time of
the spill.
And they didn't find anything,so they quit doing it.
Um and they didn't they'venever followed up with the
community.
Publicly followed up with thecommunity about this stuff.
Andrea (19:07):
Okay, like we know certain exposures we have now
can go Welcome to the governmentcan give you cancer, like down
the road.
They used to think cell phoneswould give you cancer, then eggs
would give you cancer, thensomething else would give you
cancer.
Paul G (19:20):
5G is scrambling my brain, man.
Andrea (19:22):
You know what I'm saying?
It's like I either this companyis like so embarrassed that
they like, you know, we justcross our fingers and hope
nobody gets cancer or it's morethan the company, I think it's
the EPA at that point.
Or grows a third nipple becauseof whatever they drank.
Paul G (19:37):
I mean it depends.
You might like that.
So we can hand that out, youknow.
We could sell that.
So it's guaranteed to grow athird nipple in two weeks.
There'd be people that they'rebuying that.
Guaranteed.
Andrea (19:49):
I don't want to know who those people are.
I'm happy for you that that'syour desire to have a third
nipple, but yeah.
Paul G (19:56):
Does it work?
Can you feed a kid off of it?
That's what I'm gonna know.
Andrea (20:00):
Why would you not test it?
Because I would like to thinkthat you would like to know so
that maybe you don't get suedmore down the road.
Paul G (20:07):
They don't.
They don't seem that didn'tcare.
They still don't care.
There has been nothing done.
Andrea (20:12):
Well, they think population control for West
Virginia.
If anybody from West Virginiawere we don't know Margaret
Sanger's ghost.
Paul G (20:20):
Just saying.
Do your do your research beforeyou go bitching at me about
Mark bashing Margaret Sanger.
Go read one of her speeches,especially the one she gave to
the Nazis, and then you can thenwe'll have a conversation.
Just saying.
Andrea (20:36):
I would like to think that they, but I guess they did
maybe liked her.
Yeah, I don't remember youtelling me that.
I read some stuff on her, butI'm like, okay.
Yeah.
Paul G (20:45):
Do your research if you're gonna bash me about
Margaret Sanger.
She was not a good person.
Andrea (20:50):
Oh, so they don't do any testing.
They basically are like, hey,analogy of vomiting, you guys
will be fine.
Have a great day.
Paul G (20:56):
Yeah, basically.
And then you know when they gotthey they quit drinking it,
they quit using it, they wentand got bottled water, you know.
They brought in a little bit ofpotable, potable.
I don't know if it's potable orpotable.
Andrea (21:08):
Yeah, potable water, yeah.
Paul G (21:10):
They brought in a little bit of that, and people got to,
you know, whatever, you know,National Guard kind of thing.
Andrea (21:15):
But then when they're like, Oh clear guys, turn on
your pipes.
Paul G (21:18):
Yeah.
Andrea (21:18):
And then is there any residual of this chemical in the
city?
Paul G (21:21):
So they had to run it for like two hours or three
hours or something like thatbefore they could use it again.
Run it wide open.
Andrea (21:28):
So they're not doing any research how they know two,
three hours is good.
Paul G (21:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Andrea (21:32):
I'm just saying.
Paul G (21:34):
Yeah, it's you know, when you mix it with chlorine,
it turns into uranium.
We don't know, we haven't triedit.
Andrea (21:41):
That makes me uh this is where conspiracy theories are
born.
Paul G (21:45):
Exactly.
Andrea (21:46):
And this is where people like hold on to this, you know,
prepper mentality of stuff.
Paul G (21:50):
Fluoride is gonna make me crazy.
Andrea (21:54):
I get it.
Paul G (21:54):
They're tracking me with through my teeth now because of
the fluoride.
Andrea (21:58):
But uh but you like you're telling me pour a glass
of water, you're gonna be likelooking at it and like
wondering, and like, you know,has this been going on for
months, and then finallysomebody calls in and it's like,
hey, it tastes like chocolatecake or whatever it is.
Paul G (22:10):
I think that's what happened here.
Probably went on for about aweek before anybody said
anything because it was startedslow over time until it got the
leaks.
Leaks don't just burst open.
Andrea (22:22):
It's a slow leak and it eventually got in.
Paul G (22:25):
What I want to know is why at the municipality, when
they're bringing the water in,you know, they have to filter
that.
It's river water.
You want, you know, dysentery.
Ever heard of that?
Andrea (22:35):
Yeah, you can't.
Paul G (22:36):
Just saying.
You can't drink America'srivers because of dysentery.
Andrea (22:40):
Yeah, it's got bacteria and all sorts of stuff that
we're not allowed to have in ourbody.
In Europe, you Well, the wayback then you can probably
drink.
Paul G (22:47):
Well, it's their rivers aren't as large as ours.
Andrea (22:51):
Yeah.
Paul G (22:51):
The Thames is not big at all.
Andrea (22:54):
I don't think I'd drink out of the Thames.
Paul G (22:55):
No, I wouldn't drink out of the Thames.
They've been they've beenpouring rancid crap in there for
400 years.
Andrea (23:01):
Oh, talk about thousands of years, probably.
Paul G (23:03):
More than likely.
But I mean Jack the Ripper swamin it though.
Andrea (23:07):
Who knows?
Probably.
I mean, my point is is like itmakes you like not really
afraid, but like, why are peoplenot saying something sooner?
I mean, we don't know.
We're just we're speculatinghere, but I can imagine, like
you said, it's a gradual thing.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yeah.
Andrea (23:24):
And people are kind of like, maybe they kind of like
got used to it or cognitivedissonance on all of it.
Paul G (23:32):
Well, you know, what's that old saying that I say all
the time?
You put a frog in a pot and youturn the heat up slow, and he'd
be like, hmm, this feels great.
Andrea (23:41):
And then he's eventually like cooked and eaten.
Paul G (23:43):
Yeah.
And he has no idea it justhappened.
Andrea (23:46):
Which is like sad because it makes you wonder
about like other things, youknow.
Yeah.
You know, government doesn'twant to be wrong, and we
understand that.
Paul G (23:55):
It's not the government that doesn't want to be wrong,
it's the people running thegovernment.
Everybody, this is where theconspiracy theories get off the
rail.
They f they try to blameeverything on the big government
conspiracy.
When really it's the you know,a few people who either just
don't give a shit or are ineptor incompetent that are running
(24:20):
the joint, and it ends up beingan accidental conspiracy.
Andrea (24:25):
Well, if you've made a mistake, and you didn't uh
obviously this Tom Burvat thingor whatever, giant whatever you
want to call it, wasn'tinspected, wasn't looked at.
Okay.
But if you made a mistake, ownit and just apologize.
Paul G (24:40):
Well, they did.
They sued the freedom people.
That's the name of the company.
Oh, okay.
Freedom Industries.
Andrea (24:50):
Freedom So Freedom Industries, like, we messed up.
Paul G (24:53):
Yeah, and they paid them $150 million and then went
bankrupt.
So yeah.
So that means they never paidthe $150 million, I bet you a
dollar.
Andrea (25:01):
So I don't think anybody that won any lawsuits probably
got their money or anycompensation.
I would imagine.
I would imagine that they hadprobably spent quite a bit of
money to clean up that.
And what makes me wonder islike, okay, I would think if
it's something like super hugethat maybe you would like, I'm
just speculating here, youwouldn't be able to drink out of
it, not necessarilyimmediately, but like I would
(25:23):
think that like this lakes, thisthis river's messed up.
We gotta find more water, wecan't ever use it again because
of this leak.
I mean, obviously, they didsomething to clean it up rather
quickly.
Paul G (25:32):
Yeah.
So the company, the formerpresident Gary Southern, former
operations manager of FreedomIndustries, Dennis Farrell, they
were charged with violations ofthe Clean Water Act, a
conspiracy, and negligentdischarge of pollutants.
Andrea (25:54):
I guess not to self.
If you have vats out there fromthe 1930s, anywhere near a
water source in your company,you might want to check on them.
Yeah.
Paul G (26:00):
So they they pled guilty.
Andrea (26:01):
I mean, what what can they say?
Paul G (26:03):
They uh not guilty by received home confinement.
Andrea (26:07):
I guess you could say like not guilty because they
it's the environment that thetank rested, but they're guilty
because they didn't check on it.
Paul G (26:14):
Yeah, Gary Southern, the the former the president of
Freedom Industries, who knewthat this was leaking and didn't
do anything and then tried tocover it up because you don't
get convicted or plead guilty toconspiracy unless you did those
things.
Andrea (26:28):
I would like to think that yeah, they had enough
evidence.
We're like, dude, you need toplead guilty or else you're
gonna be like, you know, uhmaybe facing if anybody dies,
facing, you know, murdercharges.
Paul G (26:38):
Fun fact federal prosecutors don't bring charges
against you unless they'repretty sure because their
conviction rate is 99%.
Andrea (26:46):
In other words, don't get in trouble with the
government.
Paul G (26:48):
Yeah, if a federal prosecutor charges you with
something, they have no problemproving it.
They're not gonna do it unlessthey know.
Andrea (26:57):
I mean, that makes sense.
How about that?
Paul G (26:59):
You only get one chance 99%, though.
Andrea (27:01):
But you get one shot to charge somebody, so you really
gotta make sure you got itright.
Paul G (27:05):
So, yeah, you got home confinement for six months.
Andrea (27:09):
Home confinement.
Paul G (27:10):
A millionaire, probably a billionaire.
Andrea (27:13):
Oh, he's having a great time.
Paul G (27:14):
Yeah, he's sitting at home, probably got a pool, hot
tub, you know.
He just has to have his wife goget the booze and food.
Andrea (27:23):
But if you think about it, I mean he's eventually gonna
go back to work one side, let'sjust be maybe.
And how are you gonna put thison your resume?
I polluted a river and a bunchof people got sick.
Paul G (27:33):
Yeah.
What'd you do?
And you know, some companiesdon't care.
I mean, Enron people are stillworking.
Andrea (27:38):
What'd you do in your last job?
Paul G (27:39):
I mean, yeah, exactly.
But they, you know, they theyhave convictions.
Andrea (27:46):
That's better than some things.
Yeah, I will admit that we'veheard.
Like the only thing that thiscase reminded me of when you
brought it up earlier before westarted recording, is that one
where how when was it when wehad all the trains like
wrecking, like every train, likethree trains wrecked or
something like that you'retalking about that uh you're
talking about the the thePennsylvania train wreck is that
word?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(28:07):
I think it's that.
Paul G (28:07):
And I remember I remember East Palestine, Ohio,
the northern southern trainderailment in 23.
Andrea (28:17):
That's what you're talking about.
Yeah, I remember going, I don'twant to ride a train.
Too many trains are wrecking.
Paul G (28:22):
Well, it wasn't a passenger train.
Andrea (28:24):
But you know what I'm saying?
It's like made me think like,what is going on with the train
people?
Paul G (28:28):
Yeah, February 23rd, 2023 is when they when that
wrecked.
They uh 38 cars derailed uhfull of vinyl chloride, which is
what they make plastics out of.
And that'll kill you.
Andrea (28:45):
Didn't they have to?
I think if I remember, didn'tone of the towns have to be
evacuated?
Oh yeah, and because it was sobad.
Paul G (28:50):
Uh because it it could explode.
Andrea (28:54):
Somebody out there lighting their cigarette and
boom.
Paul G (28:57):
Boom.
And uh and 500,000 gallons ofvinyl chloride.
No, thank you.
Andrea (29:05):
I mean, you really an industrial this is why the
hospital has like protocols andlike have like code such and
such for an internal externaldisaster.
Paul G (29:15):
Hydrogen chloride is what you're left with when it
burns.
Andrea (29:18):
Hydrogen chloride.
Paul G (29:19):
Yeah.
Andrea (29:20):
You can't even you can't light that.
It's like a giant Hindenburgright there in your front y'all,
front lawn, right?
Paul G (29:25):
No, hydrogen chloride.
Andrea (29:27):
Chloride.
Paul G (29:27):
I think if hydrogen the Hindenburg is what happens when
you I think it's the same thingakin to mixing bleach and
ammonia.
Andrea (29:36):
Oh, geez.
Paul G (29:37):
Yeah.
And phosgene, phosgene,phosgene?
I don't know.
Our dog Pluto, he's in here.
He's like, Well, I'm trying tosleep.
Shut up.
Whatever, dog.
Andrea (29:49):
But you know, I mean, uh really an industrial accident
could be anywhere at any time,at any point, whether it's a
train, whether it's a truck.
Um, you know, we have long haultruckers that hold stuff.
I don't know.
Paul G (30:03):
If this is hazardous on it, you don't hit it.
Andrea (30:06):
I always told my kids if it's hazardous, you need to
like merge ahead of it.
Paul G (30:10):
Get away from it, get away from it.
Andrea (30:12):
But like uh it makes you kind of like a plane falls.
I like to think the plane wouldnot have chemicals, but it
would have some sort ofindustrial thing.
Paul G (30:20):
Well, you they'd have to have the chemicals if they're
gonna do all the you know.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Oh, the the the other conspiracy theory thing.
Paul G (30:30):
What do they call it?
The mosquitoes, like way backin the day.
No, the contrails.
People say contrails.
Andrea (30:37):
Oh gosh.
When people were laughing, Iwas like, really?
That's just exhaust coming onthe plane.
Paul G (30:42):
It's not even exhaust, it's just condensation from the
hot air.
Andrea (30:45):
And I'm kind of like, it has nothing to do with
anything, and it's the plane,they're not trying to kill us.
Paul G (30:50):
Do the math.
That thing when if it starts onthe horizon and goes across the
horizon, you can see thecontrail from one horizon to the
other.
Okay.
Right.
That plane that's a couple ofhundred miles.
That's not thirty miles, that'sa couple hundred miles from one
(31:14):
horizon to the other.
Okay?
So it's spraying chemicals acouple of hundred miles.
Now let's think about thislogically think through this for
a second.
To get that much water orchemical on that plane, the
(31:35):
plane isn't going to be largeenough to get it in the air.
It can't lift that much.
Andrea (31:45):
So why are people freaking out about it?
Paul G (31:46):
I don't know, they're not doing the math.
You can go back to World War IIand look at um look at pictures
of the uh the um B-52s going toEngland, right?
And they get way up in the sky.
And there's contrailseverywhere, hundreds of them.
Andrea (32:02):
They're kind of pretty to look at.
I mean, if you think about it.
Paul G (32:05):
But I don't it's not a new thing.
Andrea (32:06):
I don't sit there and go, oh god, I'm gonna die.
Paul G (32:08):
You can't put that much water.
He's scratching.
Yeah, you can't put it, youcan't put that much water in the
airplane and get it off and getit up in the air.
It's too heavy.
Because you imagine how muchwater to have that large a vapor
trail, right?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, I just so yeah.
Paul G (32:30):
Anyway, sorry, I got off on a I just like no.
I'm just people come on,people, use your brain just a
touch.
Andrea (32:39):
I'm not a doomsday prepper.
Paul G (32:41):
Well what's the what's the number one thing?
If you're if you're out thereand you're conspiracy theorists,
the one number one thing youhave to remember, what have what
I've always said?
Andrea (32:50):
You've always told me the government doesn't really
care about you because you'rejust like one individual little
peon.
Yeah in the cogwheel of lots ofpeons.
We're not that interesting.
Paul G (33:00):
We're not important enough for them to care about.
Andrea (33:01):
We're not that interesting.
I'm not that interesting.
Paul G (33:04):
Yeah.
You you you look at medicalcharts for a living, and I make
podcast stuff and videos.
And no, they don't give tworats' asses about us.
Andrea (33:17):
No, they don't.
Paul G (33:18):
They just want our taxes.
Andrea (33:19):
Which is fine.
Have our taxes.
We live in a country betterthan most around the world, so
I'm not complaining.
You know, so I'm not gonnacomplain.
But um but as far as likeyou're gonna like put chips in
my uh vaccinations or whateverlittle thing that you're going
off of, they they I'm not thatinteresting for them.
Paul G (33:39):
We can make them that small now.
That's the interesting part.
We can make microchips thatsmall.
The problem is you'd have tohave the radio.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah.
Paul G (33:48):
And if the radio is that small, then you're looking at
maybe a foot.
If it's and then the batterywould wear out in like an hour.
So it has to be an RFID, soit's a passive.
Yeah.
And then if it's passive, youknow how those work.
You go to the grocery store,put your card up there.
(34:08):
If you don't get close enoughor get in the right spot, it
doesn't read it.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah.
Paul G (34:12):
That's because it's passive.
But I don't know.
So yeah, it's a bunch of BS.
Andrea (34:17):
But this water situation, I don't think like
anybody's out there trying tolike do it on purpose.
I just think that they werenegligent and didn't actually
disinfect.
Paul G (34:25):
They didn't care, and it was gonna cost them a bunch of
money to fix that water tank.
That's why they pled guilty.
They didn't care.
Andrea (34:33):
They pled guilty because uh probably they got a nice
plea deal out of it.
Paul G (34:38):
More than like, yeah, I mean at the six months home
probation.
Andrea (34:42):
But from what we can read, nobody died.
Nobody died, which is prettygood considering some of the
things that have happened.
Paul G (34:50):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Andrea (34:53):
I mean, the only bad thing that I know Corpus
Christi.
Paul G (34:56):
Remember that one?
Vaguely.
Yeah.
What'd they dump in there?
Oh my gosh.
Looking at my notes.
Uh they dumped chemical indulinAA86, an asphalt emulsifier
into the water system.
Andrea (35:16):
Okay, that just sounds like blatant negligence.
Like, we're gonna dump this inhere.
Good luck, guys.
Enjoy it.
Hope you don't get cancer.
Paul G (35:22):
Petroleum, industrial, petroleum-derived industrial
chemical.
Andrea (35:27):
This isn't like petroleum jelly here that you
women use.
Paul G (35:30):
We're talking about asphalt's made from diesel fuel.
Yeah.
Andrea (35:37):
Okay, so they do we know oil.
Did they do it on purpose?
Paul G (35:41):
No, it was an accident.
Andrea (35:43):
Everything's an accident.
But you want it to be anaccident, because if you do it
on purpose, then that'sconsidered, you know, for them.
Paul G (35:49):
I for the the the Houston one, um they it spilled
into the reservoir by accident,and then it got sucked up.
Andrea (36:02):
So is nobody paying attention where their reservoirs
are compared to where you'redumping chemicals at?
Paul G (36:07):
I I no, it well, they weren't dumping.
It it's it broke open orsomething.
I I'm not really I'm looking atit here and it doesn't it's a
backflow cross-connection areaera uh issue.
So it was more than likelysomebody flipped the wrong
switch.
Andrea (36:24):
Note to self before you go to put chemicals somewhere.
Make sure that you don't haveit anywhere where people drink
water.
Paul G (36:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I'm thinking.
Well, I don't know why theywere doing that in the first
place.
Andrea (36:35):
Why don't you put it completely away from the
drinking water system and makesure there's no reservoirs it
leaks into that can give youthis problem?
Paul G (36:42):
Exactly.
Andrea (36:44):
I don't understand.
Paul G (36:45):
Well, I don't know why they didn't look at it.
I mean the Houston one wasliterally probably just an
accident.
It wasn't any malfeasance, youknow.
There wasn't a malicious therethey weren't being malignant
about it, you know.
Malicious.
Andrea (37:00):
I would like to think though.
Just just pay attention wherethis stuff is sitting at or
where it's gonna go if it leaksor monetary.
It does.
It makes you think like what'saround it, where's it coming
from?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah.
Andrea (37:15):
Is there anything that we have around here that could
leak into it?
I mean, it makes you think, butnobody thinks about that
because you take advantage ofthe fact that knowing that if
you pay your water bill, youwalk over the sink and you turn
it on, you have water.
Yeah, you don't really questionwhere it comes from.
Paul G (37:31):
I don't understand why they didn't filter it out or at
least have some kind of sensorthat says this is not good
stuff.
Andrea (37:38):
It makes you wonder though, if in the future there's
gonna be like somebody that'sgonna be one of those uh crazy,
like, you know, everybody's outto get us, and they're gonna
invent something like you put ona Brita filter and you turn it
on, and if it turns red, there'ssomething bad.
Paul G (37:50):
They already have that, actually.
Andrea (37:51):
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, you know, I rememberwhen the Britta pictures came
out, and that was like, ooh, todispute It was just a charcoal
filter, it wouldn't do anythingthat good.
I know, but I remember likethat was a thing, you know, not
really like a super thing, but Iremember like people getting
them for their tap water and youknow and all this other stuff.
Paul G (38:07):
And then you have to change the filters and well,
what worries me is that somebodycould hijack a train or a a
semi-truck hauling the vinylchloride.
Yeah, and they can have itwreck into an area or yeah, and
then they just open the gasket amile upstream from the intake,
(38:33):
and as soon as it sucks it inthere, they could just set it on
fire, and now you've got agreen cloud that's gonna destroy
your lungs hovering over thetown, and because it's like the
the remember the uh landman wewere watching?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Right, yeah.
Paul G (38:51):
There's a chemical that's a that that is created
when oil is made is created inthe ground.
Andrea (38:58):
Yeah, because I remember we're watching it and I'm like,
what is making these guys getsick?
Paul G (39:01):
They were more than getting sick.
Yeah, they're gonna die.
They were dying.
And it's the chemical itself,and I deleted that.
I deleted it.
Andrea (39:12):
But it comes out of the processing of making um
gasoline, basically.
No, no, no, no, no.
Paul G (39:18):
Not gasoline, or is it no it was um in the ground when
organic material turns into oil,okay, it creates oil and this
gas.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Okay.
Paul G (39:30):
And it it's odorless, has no color, and you don't know
it.
So when they're drilling theseoil rigs, right, they're pulling
off this the oil, but they'realso releasing gas.
Now, some of that gas isnatural gas, is what we burn.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah.
Paul G (39:48):
Right?
Because natural gas is fromoil.
Uh and then some of it is thisstuff that they have to wear
monitors when they're on the oilfield.
Because you they'll never know.
And what'll happen is youbreathe it in just a little bit
and it destroys uh the smallblood vessels.
(40:11):
And you just you're dead.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah.
Paul G (40:14):
You just fall down and dead.
It makes you you start throwingup and your your lungs fill
with water and then thecapillaries in your eyes will
burst.
Yeah.
And it's it's like the hotshotfrom a still.
Don't drink the hot shot from astill because that's
turpentine.
Andrea (40:33):
Yeah, I remember being told about that.
Paul G (40:38):
Ray Charles, that's why he was blind because he drank
the hotshot.
Andrea (40:41):
Yeah, you have to let it in the still go off for so long
because it's like or theforeshot as they used to call
it.
Paul G (40:47):
Four shot, hotshot, yeah.
Andrea (40:49):
And then um it your kidneys don't process it or
something like that.
I remember reading it like wayback in the day when people had
stills on their you know, makingtheir own stuff.
Paul G (40:57):
It dissolves the cap the the the capillaries in the back
of your eye.
Andrea (41:02):
That's crazy.
Paul G (41:03):
In the nerves.
It take you go blind everytime.
It says on uh tollulene, whichis the kid the industrial
version of that.
I used tollulene to clean mypaint gun when I was when I
owned the parking lot business.
And that because it got rid ofeverything, nothing could stand
(41:25):
against it.
And that's the reason I usedit.
But when I used it, it said onthe can, if you get even a
little bit on this of this onyour hand, you could go blind
within 10 minutes.
Andrea (41:37):
Oh, that's a nice black box warning, but at least they
put it on there.
Paul G (41:40):
Well it's on there, but it's a great chemical for
removing everything except forthe metal and the plastic.
Because the plastic's thatspecial plastic that you can put
any cabal cloud in it and won'twon't destroy it.
That the tips are made out of,the little paint tips with spray
tips.
Andrea (41:57):
But uh essentially the like learning all this
information for this podcastmakes me uh m probably we all
need to be more heightened awareof our environment.
Paul G (42:05):
Yeah.
If your water smells funny,don't drink it.
Andrea (42:08):
Especially if it smells sweet, don't drink it.
Paul G (42:10):
Yeah.
Well here's the thing.
If they boiled it, they wouldjust aerosol it.
And you'd you'd breathe it in.
Andrea (42:17):
Oh god.
Paul G (42:18):
Yeah.
unknown (42:19):
Yeah.
Andrea (42:20):
Lord knows what it would do to inside of your lungs.
Paul G (42:22):
Well, obviously, so fortunately in this case,
nothing.
Andrea (42:26):
But you don't know.
Paul G (42:27):
It's pretty irritant, is all it is.
Andrea (42:28):
But you don't know in other cases, and other things
come out of it.
Paul G (42:30):
But if it would have been vinyl chloride, they'd be
dead.
Yeah.
That's not good.
You don't want to breathe thatliquid stuff in.
They make plastic with that.
I think vinyl chloride inpropane, or not propane, but
something to do with naturalgas.
You put them together, heatthem a touch, and you got
plastic.
Andrea (42:47):
We have every environmental person probably
listening to this just screamingabout how this is bad.
Paul G (42:51):
Yeah.
Anybody who knows what we'retalking about is like, no, of
course not.
Andrea (42:57):
This is why plastic is evil.
Everything's made out ofplastic.
Let's just be realistic here.
Paul G (43:01):
So we didn't do true crime this week.
We talked about something else.
Andrea (43:05):
Which I thought was interesting because it something
I didn't know, which I thoughtwas awesome.
Thanks, Paul.
Paul G (43:10):
Well, um is it awesome?
We don't know.
Would do you guys like it, ordo you want us to go back to
only true crime, or do you wantus to continue on the path of
self-destruct?
I mean, different sub subjects.
Andrea (43:21):
I say let's sprinkle it in.
Let's just make it in.
Let's have a mixture.
Why not?
Paul G (43:26):
I could say something real bad, but I'm not going to.
Andrea (43:29):
We have like air rules that you know we can't beat.
Paul G (43:31):
Yeah, we can say whatever we want.
Say or do whatever we want onair.
Andrea (43:35):
For now, I'm sure someone's gonna regulate it.
Paul G (43:38):
Eventually.
Well, I don't know.
Is this the free speech?
Uh the free speech wild west.
Andrea (43:45):
We're they can't in America, they can't every Wild
West ends up with rules in theend.
Paul G (43:51):
I'm Wild Bill.
Andrea (43:53):
No, I'm not.
I'll go on that scary, butokay.
Paul G (43:57):
No.
I'm not Wild Bill.
If I was Wild Bill, I'd becursing and stuff.
Andrea (44:00):
Yeah, that's why I try not to curse on air, because it
just it's not, you know.
Paul G (44:05):
They can say shit on national TV now.
No one says anything.
Andrea (44:09):
I remember when that was like a bad thing to say.
Paul G (44:11):
Yeah, you couldn't do that.
Now you can.
You can say it all you want.
I don't care.
Andrea (44:15):
Yeah.
Paul G (44:16):
But if you like the sprinkling of an in of different
kind of things that went overjust to kind of learn something,
because that's what we like todo, honestly.
We like to learn stuff.
So if you like that, let usknow.
Uh yeah, let us know.
By emailing us at Paul G Newtonor Paul G at Paulgnewton.com.
That's Paul G atPaulgnewton.com.
(44:36):
I'm not giving you Andrew'semail address because no.
What?
Andrea (44:43):
Half the time my email just gets buried in other stuff.
Paul G (44:46):
You know, yeah.
I have to like I sent you anemail.
Andrea (44:49):
Yeah, I'm like, okay.
Paul G (44:53):
Anyhow.
So we had some complaints thatour episodes are too long.
Andrea (44:57):
Really?
Paul G (44:58):
Yeah, they don't like it being in 45 minutes to an hour.
Andrea (45:01):
I thought that's what most people liked.
Paul G (45:03):
Well, that's why I did the other one, uh, Paul G's
Corner.
Because it's only last 15minutes at most.
Andrea (45:11):
I guess everybody has her in the some people like it,
some people don't.
You know, we did the best wecan.
Paul G (45:18):
You know, I like pecan pie, but I won't eat it.
Andrea (45:21):
Yeah.
Paul G (45:22):
Because it's nothing but a jar of K Row syrup and two ta
two half pound of butter,basically what it is.
Andrea (45:30):
It's not that much butter.
Paul G (45:32):
No, two sticks is a half pound.
It's a pound of butter, it'sfour sticks.
Andrea (45:35):
Oh.
Paul G (45:35):
I haven't half pound of butter and a jar of K row syrup.
Andrea (45:40):
I haven't made it in a while, so but hey, we're open to
feedback.
Paul G (45:45):
What my dad said, fat front moving in.
Andrea (45:47):
Oh no, I used to always laugh when he'd say that.
But we're open to feedback.
Some people like, you know,maybe we'll do some 45 minutes,
some 30 minutes, some an hour.
Paul G (45:56):
I mean, it just So also, too, we're gonna start offering
places on our podcast whereAndrew and I will review
people's products or services.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Okay.
Paul G (46:07):
That's what we talked about.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah, yeah.
Paul G (46:10):
And uh, you know, they give us 50 or 100 bucks to do
it.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, why not?
Paul G (46:15):
Yeah.
So if you want us to reviewyou.
Andrea (46:18):
Your business.
Not your personal business, butyour business idiot.
Paul G (46:23):
We can do the personal business.
We can we can tell you how bigof an idiot you are.
I value no death threats, so uhI'm sure I wasn't actually
talking about you directly.
I was talking in general, you.
Andrea (46:40):
Yes.
Paul G (46:41):
Or maybe you can call and tell us about your family,
and for 50 bucks we'll put youon air.
What?
No, you don't think so?
Andrea (46:50):
Proven interviews.
Paul G (46:53):
All right, visit Paul G Newton.com, go to get your swag,
and buy a cool t-shirt.
You should see the t-shirts areactually really, really cool.
Andrea approves of most ofthem.
Andrea (47:04):
Yeah, those were really good.
The Christmas ones are funny.
Paul G (47:06):
Yeah, the Christmas one.
Santa got arrested, just so youknow.
I don't think that's if youwant to know about Santa being
arrested, you have to go look atthe shirt.
Andrea (47:14):
Hey, buy a shirt and then tell us a story of why
Santa got arrested and we'llread it on air.
Paul G (47:18):
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Or maybe, you know, he was justin the wrong place at the wrong
time.
Andrea (47:23):
Yeah.
Paul G (47:24):
He ate, you know, they left you milk cookies, but these
days you have to watch what'sin those cookies.
Andrea (47:30):
Might be razor blades.
Paul G (47:31):
It might be a bunch of THC, and he's like, um, Santa
Claus, don't you know?
Poor Santa.
I'm looking for my ho ho hoes.
Oh my god.
Andrea (47:46):
All right.
All right.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
What else?
I think that's it.
You sure?
Andrea (47:49):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
All right, all right.
Bye.
unknown (47:51):
Bye.
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