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with that so it's a collab album. You know, hip
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Thank you Kendrick Lamore. Thank you Kendrick Lamore.
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She murdered, turn the TV off, Turn the TV off.
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you hear me? That song? Period just keep going back
up because people are just finding ways to keep using it.
That he literally revitalized hip hop last year. I said
it at TikTok. You know we are wanting the real.
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We didn't have enough of fake culture. Okay, anyway, Sheirman,
go ahead and represent yourself because.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
I am Sherman Vaughn. I'm definitely not as decorated. I
am here to learn, to grow and to listen all
I got.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I'm not trying to be funny. Why was me and
Ivy aligned when he said I'm not as decorated? We
both went like at the same time, like, Sharman, you
got plenty to give, plenty of just a young man
with a with a good head on his shoulder.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
And I love it.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, I tell you all the time, the things that
the conversations that we have had has stuck with me.
It has You're the reason why you're one of the
reasons why I'm here and the rest of my tribe
right here, Ivy. That is she she sees.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
It does.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
How a man sees the world is how he sees himself.
I'll never forget that because.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
That was a.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That from Sherman. How a man sees the world is
how he sees himself. So if he's always looking out
and seeing nothing but negativity everywhere he freaking go, that
is exactly how he feels about himself. And I love
the way that he will will pose a question to
make me think about my actions and what I am doing.
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Are you sure that it's the best move for you?
If you ain't got a tribe like this, I don't
know what to tear. You gotta have good people in
your corner with yourself, John, we damn near at a
decade right now, Ivy, Honey. Just watching you blossom for
a whole year has been truly amazing and inspiring. I
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love it. I don't know what Sherman went to. Anyway,
we can go ahead and get started.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Let's get it cracky, because then I have been asking
about friends to talk about it. I'm like, let's go
ahead and get into this. Let's get into it. Because
we asked the question.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Go ahead, I'm shut up.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I'm gonna ask the question. You want to go ahead
and answer? What is what is colorism? And how does
it compare to racism?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
You know what? Okay?
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Before I get started, first of all, I want to
hear John, and I want I would love to hear
because you know, I'm gonna put you on the spot, brother,
come home, man, because you always okay, you always get
like the you know, like the logical, the very wide
out answer to things right. And I'm not my own opinions,
but I would like to hear I would love to
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anybody who's watching out here, let's talk about the difference
between colorism and racism, like what like how does it
show up in the black community?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Go ahead, I'm shut up, Go ahead, y'all.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
All right, So.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
We can say that colorism is essentially an offshoot of racism,
but we're talking about discrimination on the basis of color
with colorism, and with racism, it's discriminate nation on the
basis of race. So typically when we're referring to color,
we're referring to within the race. So it doesn't have
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to necessarily just be black people. It could also be Indians,
which it is. It could be Brazilians, it could be
Costa Ricans, it could be Chinese, a lot of Asians, yes,
with the Asians, both Thai, Filipinos, Japanese too, Chinese and
I'm missing one. I'm missing one. I'm missing oh in
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the Koreans oh man yep. And some would even argue,
some would even argue that colorism kind of predates racism
because you know, the depictions of darkness versus lightness. Yeah,
just think about it before. I mean, racism is sort
of a recent concept. But this whole darkness versus lightness
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that kind of proceeded before Europeans, you know, started propagating
go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
House versus the field. Nigah.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
But we're talking about before that because you before.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
That, because again again you know, and in the Asian
countries as well, this is kind of whiteness, the concept
of whiteness, that purity, that that's beyond race. Racism kind
of following me, but that that it's an argument, it's
an argument, you know, So essentially we're still just talking
about discrimination beginning at the end of the day. The
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core element of colorism and Racism is the discriminate, the
discriminatory behaviors, the actions, the attitudes. It's not just all right,
I said something, but it's also behavioral. It's in how
do I treat the darker versus the lighter? What are
my attitudes towards them? Because my attitude is going to
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dictate the treatment that I elicit.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Right, So, yeah, because I was getting right to say,
I was like, if you really think about it, like
in the Indian cast system that was all about colorism,
you know what I'm saying, Like they literally based an
entire social socioeconomic status, like your position in the country
based off of whether or not you were born darker
or whether or not you were born lighter, you know
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what I'm saying. So it's like and if you even
if you think about it, right, like when like when
colonization was hard to happen, and when that Spanish excuse
me Portuguese, when the Portuguese guy came and he got
slaves from Africa and started the trans an Atlantic slave market.
He did so because he said, you know something, these
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slaves will be much harder to escape, to get away
because they can't just blend in with the rest of
our society basing a whole thing on colorisk right, So yes, definitely, colorism.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It has a it has.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
A big vein, has a big audio vein inside of racism.
So I agree with that. Yeah, My question is is
why is it still a thing in twenty twenty five.
But I know you, I know we're gonna get there.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I'm gonna be crying.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
I'm gonna go ahead, and.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
We're gonna get there. But yeah, it's still a thing
in twenty twenty five. We see a lot. Okay, never mind,
We're gonna wait. Okay, okay, never mind, maybe yours friends
or even in pop culture. Minds came when I was
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six years old, six or seven, white Jesus, watching the
TV white here, white there, white everywhere, and seeing how
white people were living on TV versus US and how
we was living. That was the first time I seen
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a separation. And then amongst my own people, dark skin
was treated roughly. It was rough. They was rough on
dark skinned people. They had little nicknames for us black
African booby scratcher, what, yes, la, Yeah, we had we
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It's it was a thing. It was a thing. I
noticed it. I noticed it very early on. It was
a thing. So yeah, I don't know did you have
you ever experienced.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
I have a question when when were you, like when
did you become aware? Like I noticed you said that
you saw like you know, white Jesus and you saw
like all of the images like you know, like when we.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Were coming up.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Because I mean, if let's go ahead and keep this
a buck, I'm forty eight years old.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
I know that.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
That's I mean when I was and seven, I wasn't
excuse me, when I was five and six, I wasn't
necessarily aware that there was this difference until my Auntie
plain to me the transatlantic slave trade the reason why,
like you know, i'stund.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Like explained all of that, all of that stuff. They
kind of caught up to me.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
So when were you, like actually consciously aware that that
you were being treated different because of the fact that you,
you know, because you're because of your skin.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
In my own home, Oh man, I'm the darker one
out of everybody. Wow, I'm the first born, yet I'm
the darkest out of all of my brothers and sisters.
So mine's happened in the house. Yeah wow wow coming
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up the dark skin. Yeah, and then I was always sticker,
so yeah, the wow.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
I just know, like for me to answer this, the
first time that I noticed like that, I was actually
aware of colorism.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Like I think i've might oh yeah, well actually I
was aware of it.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Because you know, like you a little girl, you know,
it's like you don't necessarily think about your looks looks
until you, you know, you start getting you know what
I'm saying, It's like you're interested in boys and you're like, I,
I God, you can cue blah blah.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
And I just remember that I came to the way
that I felt that I felt about what I was
attracted to. My cousins were always kind of like, oh,
you gotta get yourself a light skin, boy, you gotta
get yourself a light skin. You know what I'm saying, Like,
oh look at him, Q he light skin, he got
pretty hay a, he got shot like you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Like it was always that type of thing.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
And then when yo, when school Days came out, Man,
that's when it came out for me in pop culture
when school Days came out, baby day, Because you know
what I'm saying, the wannabes versus the jigaboos.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
That shit was done.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Bro, Like that was a real like in your face
and me being kind of like in the middle, just
kind of like brown skinned girl, you know what I'm saying,
And like I didn't, you know, like I was. It's
just like for me personally, I was like I didn't
really ascribe to either side, but just like seeing how
it really like affects just like you know, friends of
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mine and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
That's yeah, it's real.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
It does It's real.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Yeah, it's real.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And now we have we have our mixed community.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
M we I mean, we do, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
And they feel so I think they feel a couple
of different ways come down.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Life scan privilege.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Life scan privilege. Yeah, man, what does it actually look
like in real life? I don't know. I'm not life scanded.
You don't life scandid privilege. You see it on TV?
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You know you sing it on TV growing up? How
except with the Cosby's. I love that how they had
all shades, but they would they would rather have first
Prince of bear lerapists me off when they just switched
out the mothers.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Yeah, because because the first I live was like everything, man,
a lot of women identify with her.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, you know, it was always in our face. The
darker skin was the big black mama, masculine.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Very masculine, always.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
White skin women were presenting ye yeah, to softer features.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
More.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
It was programming, m programming, I mean, and the programming
has not it's like it's continued to it's like continue
And that that really came from the fact that you know,
like I mean, we all can talk about it, like
back in the day, you know, the slave owners be like, oh,
you know, she got part white in her, so she
must know something.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Or they stay in the house, the dark slaves staying
outside coming.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Now yeah, yeah, so we know where that came from.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
And I don't I don't know light skim privilege, but
for some reason it's like my okay, so my my
youngest kid is is is lighter, you know, And I've
seen the ways I've seen the way that that so
called light skim privilege kind of like like I think
that like they want to be they want to be different,
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like they want to be darker, you know what I'm
saying like that, oh yeah, oh yeah, and it might
have something to do with me because I'm always the
person like after I get a tan, you can't tell
me ship, Like you know what I'm saying, you can't
tell me anything. I think I'm the most gorgeous thing
that's walking ever on the face of the planet. Like
after I get a tan, dead ass, Like it's like,
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you know, and like I'll come in from like I
went to the beach, went on vacation.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I'd be like, look at it, that meiling, look at
that mail at it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
But my daughter's like, excuse me.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
My my youngest is sort of just like.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Like, yeah, you know, maybe if I wasn't just golden,
you know.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
And so I don't like I think that they feel
it a little bit, you know, you know what I'm saying.
But I'd be like, Mayby, we come in all shades.
It does not matter, it matters what your heart is.
But so I haven't seen the other thing. I've heard
about it. I've heard about privilege, and I've noticed it
like in certain and certain things in pop culture and
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with other people who are lighter skinned.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
In the videos, the models.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
M go ahead, go right ahead, being light skin, Yeah, y'all,
I'm accepted easier.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I'm looking at it.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Yeah, I've looked at it as less of a threat.
I'm looked at it as more intelligent. I'm looking at
it's more obedient. I'm looked at it's easier to deal with.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I'm looking at that's who we talk to, because at
least he may know something.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
It hasn't changed. Nothing's changed, nothing, nothing has changed. Police
to see a nigga catchers. Job's stealing equal slavery.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
And there's bars that we do not see. They're still here.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
Nothing's changed, but we just mass it up to make
it look different, dress it up and make it look
good for me with what we've done so far, so
me being light skinned.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
It's definitely.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
It's definitely one thousand percent of privilege. I don't I
don't try to take it because I wear my blackness
on my heart, on my.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Sleeve, on everything. That's who I am, that's what I'm about.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
You can treat me, you could treat me a certain way,
but I bully the bully. So if you treat my
brother something something different because he's darken than me, you're
gonna have to answer to me too. So you could
talk to me, that's fine, but I'll said anything down
that I have to. So, yeah, it is a It
definitely is a privilege. And I've always and with my
name being Sherman, I'm pretty much damn near shoe in.
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They think, oh he's a he's a nice Negro's complicated.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
That's just how it goes.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
He doesn't have anything, he won't do what they will do.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Those are my people. Mm hmmm. So anything that they'll do,
I'll do it too. That's just what it is.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
When did you become aware of it?
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Yeah, yeah, element elementary school, because I grew up, I
grew up in the city. You gotta talk about people.
You gotta learn how to jont so you know, black people,
get your black ass, you know what I'm saying, get
your get your light.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Skin, pretty boy.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yet it was different.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
It was just black ass. But light skin always came
with pretty boys, or you are curly hair or something presentable,
something good, something positive was always kind of following it,
and they would try to, you know, make that into
a joke. But when it was darker, it was always
looked at as ugly or big or fat or masculine
or mean or that's not because I love me a
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chocolate woman.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
And that's just a preference. But I dated every I am.
It ain't. It ain't no flavor that I ain't that
I ain't anyway. All that being.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, let me sip some tea because.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
You don't meet too many men like Sherman that say
they prefer a darker skin woman and actually mean it.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
I used to wish I was dark skin when I
was little. I used to think I wouldn't always. I
used to think I wouldn't all the way black because
of how I was treated.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Oh that's just how it was. That's just what it
was for me. They wouldn't treat me. Oh man, you're
not like them. I am like that. Those are my people,
So don't tell me I'm those are mother. I would
have to.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
I would get in small fights and quarrels and shit
like that because you know, certain things.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Said, are you not like that? Or you better than that? Wow,
that's what it's like being light scarfed, so you can
get into a couple of more doors, but you're still
a nigga.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
So that there's oh man, that has got to be frustrating.
I'm just I was before you came back in. I
was speaking about like my youngest, my youngest. My youngest
is you know, pretty pretty light, right, and like sometimes
I just you know, like they won't necessarily express completely
how they feel about being lighter, but they'll sometimes you know,
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just kind of reference that they wish that they would
get more tan or things of that story. But that
I'm like, that's really interesting that you brought up, Like
there's still this it's still this layer of separatism if
you're light, if you're lighter skinned black.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
That that's what I hear you. That's what I hear
you saying.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Kind of sort of there, like there's still separitism from
from your identity.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Oh my gosh, oh wow, Wow. Yeah, it's definitely different.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Man, I learned it at he's very very young, and
I'm talking about seven, eight nine.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
I understood it dating yea, not even not dating, No,
I know what I'm saying, woo bike, but uh dating
high school ninth grade loyal honestly middle school eighth grade,
eighth grade, don't know, like.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Yeah, you probably gonna get you a challenge with lady time.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
No.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I had mostly life skinned girlfriends throughout.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
High school, actually all but one.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
I never discriminated.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
I never really understood that because I like her, her
and her.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I don't really understand what y'all looking at, but I
know what I see mm hmm. But I mean I
saw it with my friends. If they were.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Darker skin, they always had a light skinned girl they were.
If they were light skin, they always had a darker girl.
I mean you grew up thinking that's right. You see
just like just like Ivy and and you said, you
really see it. You see it on TV, you see
it in the radio, you see it in books.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
You're always it's always a type of programmer.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, it's always going. The programming never stops.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
No, because they need as separate because if we're separate,
them will never turn around and look at the easily conquered.
There you go, you see the real I'm looking and
you look like me.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
I'm looking at John.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
I'm looking at you as enemy, but I know what
real enemy is.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Another time, I was like, that's that's kind of crazy
that you spoke about, you know, like like the separatism
and how you kind of like didn't describe to one
to one type because going into this next question question
talking about dating apps, you know, workplace promotions, even beauty ads.
I mean I have run across so many darker skin
you know, darker skinned women.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Let's go ahead and keep this.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Abuve, right, Okay, It's it seems like there is this
construct where if you're a darker skinned guy, you got
to have a lighter skinned woman.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
You've got to have a lighter skinned women. Right.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Yeah, but you know, I've found a lot of a
lot of brown girls and a lot of darker brown girls,
like we want sometimes like sometimes we want somebody who
looks like us.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
So then it's like and the dark skin cats are
basically telling like it's almost like the darkest it's it
feels like it feels like maybe I make this up
that the darker that a lot of the darker skin
cats and it's just their preference. You're allowed to choose
whoever you want to, whoever you love, you fall in
love with, whoever you whoever you love. But for dark woman,
it's like we kind of want to find somebody. It
feels like a lot of us kind of want to
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find somebody who looks like us. But when you're considered
like you know, like the stereotypes, we're considered it fat, lazy, ugly, nappyheaded, you.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Know, your darker skin. If you're darker, and if you're
darker skin, you're going to have a harder time in
that area if versus if you were light scanned and
or mixed.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Yeah, because I remember even Little Wayne when he came
out with the line, or if you are if you
ain't light skinned, don't.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Have a big yeah yeah yellow bomb only. So you
are promoting one particular shade of black women. That's even
in the videos. You can see it.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
The light a look better and the rappers and the
celebrities are the main programmers.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Just said little leg just said it, just said it. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
And that's when we look to it. That's what we idolize.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
So we're gonna look at because we don't want to
be ourselves from a young age.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
You're not talking you don't you know, you're not ever
talked to be who you are because you're the only life.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
That you You're You're literally the only person that can
be you.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You're one of one.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Don't make me miss out on your life trying to
be somebody else. That's what pisses me off the most.
But it's but everybody does that. How can I tell
somebody something and they ain't trying to hear me. If
they're not, they're not looking for help. They're going to
try to be that next person or that next guy
or that next girl.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Because that's what's that's what's it.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Yes, hard to talk to yeah, man, it's hard to
break that program into you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
It is it was a point where like all the
top celebrities, athletes who get them it's no money and
you know, speaking of what wives, what is think about?
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Like what what did Cat Williams.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Harsh Man.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It's some light skinned, funny looking that just stands there
and just takes pictures. But you never heard talk, no interview.
It's Kat Williams. We need an update.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
He's on tour.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Like that is Yeah, that is real and mostly all
of those men are doork skinned it m hm.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Okay, So so my question is, okay, so let's go
to workplace promotions, right, okay, okay, So I honestly think
about it, right when you start talking about the workplace,
you know how like the generation before hours and even
there the generation before them, like you had the greatest
generation and then the boomer generation, which was our parents generation, right,
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if you think about every time that you that you
would that they heard in the news that, oh, somebody
broke the racial bread barrier, somebody broke the color line.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
It was always a lighter skin black person.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
It was.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
It was always a lighter skip except for oh my gosh,
I cannot believe I'm forgetting his name Baseball.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
That was like one of the only ones Jackie Robinson.
Oh that's it.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Sports.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
Sports was like that was like the separating line, right
because we think about Jackie robinsoning, we think about what's
my man, the one who.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Was the headweight boxer.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Who got in trouble for having all the white women,
and you know, yes, yes, I was like, the names
are escaping me, but they're coming up.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Like but but I mean, like other than.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Just like sports, like if it came to anything that
was like like even even the three women, Oh gosh,
that that that. I'm sorry, I forgetting all of this.
I'm forgetting all of the stories in the times right now.
But the three women that broke in the NASA, like
the ones who were like they called thank you, lighter
skinned women. I think that there was one brown skin
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girl like in between if I'm not mistaken, you know
what I'm saying. But it's always been like those opportunities
that they have. I mean, let's go ahead and keep
it a buck. If they were breaking the color line,
it's almost like they had to be light skin in
order to break.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, that is like I mean black.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Yeah, So I mean like even going further than just
like the data nets, like like when like even in
the times of the Antebellum period, you know, when when
the US it just came out of the Civil War
and everything else, when these when black people were like, oh, okay,
well we're founding our slaves anymore. We feel like we
want to contribute, right, No, nope, we're keeping light skinned
negroes only, you know, like even back that far.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
So it's crazy, you know, it's like, how do you
so what is that?
Speaker 6 (29:57):
What does that say to somebody? What does that say
to anybody who falls on either one of the lines?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
You know that LFE skinned has more of a chance
of succeeding than someone.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Well, all right, we have to remember we're dealing with
supremacy here. Okay, we're dealing with supremacy here. So it's
based in fear. The whole thing is based in fear.
You're more afraid of me. You're more afraid of me
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than you are of him, Maya, than.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You are of Drake.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
You're less intimidated by him because he's closer, he's closer.
I don't expect you to not be afraid. I don't
expect you to not be afraid. I don't expect it.
But when you have him that close, when you have
her that close, you're still afraid. You're still afraid. Okay,
(31:00):
we're still afraid of this black person. That's why they
can only go this far. I want you close because
I could use this. I could use this to say, hey,
I got some black You're useful. I want to keep
you within arms reach. You're useful.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I'm not racist. I've got black cousins, all right, friends.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I've got.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Supremacy. And again, that's just what it was like. We
can condemn it and all, but that's just what it is.
We know that's what it is. So all we're dealing
with is the operations of that major mind. This is
just one of the programmers, right, So in terms of
the colorism, you know, it's pre installed from that space.
(31:47):
The whole thing operates from that space. We're just taking
it on and recycling and you know, playing with it
or whatnot. But their mindset is be afraid of this
darker person than the slighter skin person. Be afraid. There's
a fear that it's an irrational fear. We know it
is at conscious level, we know it's an irrational fear.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
However, it's still there.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And so unless you confront that fear, it's there, and
it's gonna pop up in your media. It's gonna affect
your consciousness, it's gonna affect what you create, it's gonna
affect everything that you do.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
It's like a disease.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
So yeah, in your media, it's in even in your
social media when you're creating your little algorithms.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Oh yeah, the lighter.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Ones are getting more favorable, you know, they're getting more looks.
But also but also hold on, hold on, Not only
are you putting that in the algorithm, the algorithm is
only just appealing to what's.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Already out there.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I mean, what good does it do to put that
in the algorithm or put that as an algorithm and
the user doesn't even interact with that?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
What good would that do?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Unless you already knew that that was out there, So
you're programming it in your databases, your Google searches, it's
in everything that you're doing, because it's already here. The
software has already been here.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Because I got a question, go ahead, because I've seen
this happen take place last year. Erica Kane or Kane,
I can't think of who she is an influencer. She
got on there and they end up dragging her because
of what she said my life. Skin is the reason
why I'm here in your door, skin is the reason
why you're there, and you will never be able to
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get to where I'm at, and they drag her.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
But but let's go ahead. Let's go ahead and ask this.
If that's the download, and that's the algorithm, and the
algorithm is already doing what the algorithm is doing, then
can we really say that our preferences to either date
exclusively like women or like man, or our exclusivity to
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dating just dark man or dark woman, is that really
a preference or is that subconscious proben I.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Mean, some of it, some of it is is gonna
be subconscious programming, some of it is, and then some
of it's just gonna be choice. And sometimes those choices
may not make sense, you know. And I was gonna ask, like,
at what point do you say, okay, this is just preference.
Like for example, you know, you ask my wife she
likes chocolate, okay, okay, And it's not to say that
(34:30):
she doesn't like the other. But if you ask her,
she's gonna choose chocolate. So it's like, all right, well,
hold on, hold on, well why can't she just choose?
Hold on, you can only choose one. Yeah, you could
only choose one, So what you're gonna choose? Right, So
there's that element underneath is all right? Is it a
problem when it's something you actually want? Because you know, okay,
(34:52):
this is esthetically pleasing, m.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
But at what point do we do we ask ourselves
that like?
Speaker 6 (35:01):
And like, at what point are we asking ourselves that
is it to have about?
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Well?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I know, personally, John, it don't matter because for me
it's more of a I'll take what I can get, honestly, because.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
This high thing.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I get gigged for the hype thing more than I
get gigged for this, So the highth thing be kicking
my ass. But hey, you know, you like what you like,
so for me, it doesn't matter, right, But I think
it does matter for some folks out there. Like if
a woman's like, oh, I just got to have me
a chocolate man, in my mind, I'm like, okay, well
why not because if she gets one and it fits
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the bill. But then it's like, I understand the implication here. Again,
we're talking about discrimination, right, and there could be some
preferential treatment. But the preferential treatment has to be in
the context of I'm doing this in face of you,
as in I'm doing this to spite you. Also, I'm
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choosing you to make you feel bad for be in
this shape. Like That's that's what the preferential treatment, that's
what the impact hits the most. It's oh, yeah, I
chose Linda over you, Tracy because she's lighter skinned, and
I need you to know that I told her.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
That's different.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
That's different than Okay, it's just it's her in seventeen
different black women, and hey, I just picked her. I
just liked her, you know, and had nothing to do
with you know, So you don't involve anybody else in
the in the preference. That's the main key is if
it's a genuine preference, no one else should be involved.
(36:36):
If I if I say I like black women, that
has nothing to do with anybody else, but just the
fact that, like, I know, there's other flavors out there,
but I'm not doing this because the other.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Flavors are out there, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
But a guy could be like, yo, I like women
or white women because black women did, so you're like
for white women is based on your dislike for black women.
So the foundation, So that's what we're talking about. That's
the discrimination is what is it based off of? If
you're just saying, Yo, you just like light skin dudes
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because they look exotic?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Hey, why can't you have that? Why can't she have that?
I could?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I could, I'd be like, yo, I agree that he
look exotic. Okay, I can see why. So why would
I be offended by that?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Right? Why?
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Unless unless she was doing that In comparison, John, I'm
choosing him because look at how exotic he looks, and
just look at you, and then it's like, damn, man, see.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
Now that I really believe, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
I'll be very quick. I really believe what John just said.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
I think it's half of that and the other half
is feared even even within our community. I got dogged
by dark skin take so I like light skined girl.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
I got dogged by light skinned girl, so I like
dark skilled girls. See, it's always the face.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And fear or exactly what for.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Exactly what John said.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
I think they look like this, But what John said
is more it's more preferential.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
They're looking more towards that.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
But when you get when it's a fear and you
I'm going to white women because that's already telling me
it's a fear.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
You couldn't you couldn't handle that heat because black women
bring some heat and you're gonna have to You're gonna
have to run out there.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
If you can't take it, you gotta have shift to
man because if you're just coming up with some with
some craziness in your younger years, you are not going
to get played.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
I repeat every.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Chance, listen, I'm just thinking that just gotta be So
I'm just gonna I'm gonna ask a question.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
I'm just gonna ask I'm carrious.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
So that if you just said that right, like basically,
like you know, like we've got some of these people
who you know they might have they might be like, oh,
I'm not messing with with you know these dry skinned
women or da da da da die, or I'm just
dating white women because of blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, we get a lot of black men who say that.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Yeah, I was about to say, I'm like, is there
some is there? There'd be some unhealed mother stuff that's
going on here?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
You know?
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Is that is that a mother womb that could be
could I'd be coming out of it because I know,
for instance, or a daddy womb even right, because I know,
for instance, I had I had a had a fred
dated exclusively exclusively white men, right, we never wouldn't you
and was married to one at one point in time,
and if it was married to a black man, it
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was like I'd be like fuck that, I'm not doing
this right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
It was like never again, and I'm like hmmm, and.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
I was just my preference.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
That's just what if they treat me better they you
know what I'm saying. And I'm like, like, you said,
whatever it is that is that it doesn't Is that
a communal wound from from cause that be?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
You know?
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Yes, exactly right.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
I believe that's true, especially in my anecdotal experience.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
It's based in fear. Maybe your mother wasn't.
Speaker 7 (40:10):
Because I'll be honest, I know, I know preference wise,
I don't care if you're light skin or dark skin,
because of course, obviously my mother was the first woman
that I loved, so I love black women, But that
is that the proto type woman that I would like.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
No, if it's so, sometimes it goes the opposite way.
Speaker 7 (40:30):
If that's not like in a woman, you won't even
like black women because I didn't even like how my
mother acted. Is sometimes it's a little bit more deep
rooted then I just I just like this. So yeah,
I think it could come from the home. I think
it could come.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
From school and children.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
I think it could come from the lifestyle.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
I think it can come from TV, television. I think
it's a lot of things attacking to separate.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
Oh okay, and answering that question, how much is this
is tied to colonialism or slavery or is it more
about modern media? Looks, go, here's here, that's we already
determined that it's been here.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
We can't even say modern media media is just making
it more. It's just in your face.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
It contains it, it repeats it.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
It's like it just you know what I'm saying, Like,
I feel like media's in your face, but it has
been here, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Mean, but medias aren't too right. So it's like there's
different ways. When we say media, that's a very general term.
You know, it's newspapers, it's comic books, it's the shows,
minstrel shows.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
You know, it shows up, it manifests.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
So this is just the expression of the ideas that
the expression of the discrimination or the ideas associated with
the discrimination. So we could say, uh, colonialism started it,
and media perpetuates it or keeps it going, keeps it alive,
gave so colonialism gave birth to.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
It, but colonia modern and slavery kept it going.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Started it, started it.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I'll say they started it right because it's like yeah,
because think about think about the culture, right, think about
the culture in which all this is happening.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Right. So you got these slaves which are not even.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Viewed as humans, and they have these features, right, and
these ideas are associated with these features, which instigates and
has this attitude projected upon it. That's your that's your
oppression right there, that's the attitude of oppression. You have
these ideas, the ideas match how you know these individuals
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on the outside are And.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
So there's this there's this distance. You don't even know
black people for real, you don't know black people.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
So it's like because I'm literally I'm literally me and
my handsters, we are tracking like we are tracking back
to because I'm okay, I'm not just thinking just about
like our community. I'm literally thinking across the world. You've
got like women in Africa who used harmful bleaching creams
to be lighter.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
You know what I'm saying. When I was in college.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
When I was in college, because.
Speaker 6 (43:27):
It's it's not but but the thing is that's it's
got a lot to do about media, because if you
think about it over in Africa, everybody looks like everybody
looks like.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Them, you know, So it wasn't even just colonialism.
Speaker 6 (43:39):
And every now and again you get like some white
people who come over there who might be missionaries to
give whatever.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
But what about that made them think that they were
supposed to look lighter?
Speaker 5 (43:49):
It was media? I did her.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
So I read this report. I did a different report,
but I read this report.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
It was called the Disney Girl when I was in college,
and it was literally about how like a lot of
different ethnic ethnic cultures, how they they thought that they
were beautiful and just like lovely and they had like
all of these different traits until they got modern media,
until the advent of TV and the advent of radio.
No TV and pictures, right, and photography, and like Samo
(44:20):
and women, Samon and women are normally just thick, you know,
they're just thick, beautiful women. Right, But when they started
looking at TV, when they finally got like western TV
over in Samoa, Oh, then they were like, I think
I need to go on a diet.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
I think I need to make my skin life, you.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (44:37):
So it's about I'm like it was literally putting together.
It's the programming of media.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
And Western media is literally programming us to believe that
the lighter you.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Are, the more beautiful, more beautiful you are. Yeah, it's over.
It's over in in Asia, in India.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
And think about think about in your imagination, think about
their artwork. Right, most of the faces are what color,
they're this head, they look like ghosts. They look though,
whier the better, right, So you also got to the
point of the whitening creams, right, even though they're in Africa.
(45:20):
Those milk bass that the Greeks and the Romans used
to take now to keep them pure white. The Asians
they had like they use like turnlereck and rice powder.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, white.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
So colorism kind of pretty much predated racism, right, but
those ideas funneled into racism. Racism becomes institutionalized, and so
your colorism becomes the soft technology. It's soft technology, and
you can just develop the hard technology. So now we're
(45:55):
getting to an age where you can become transracial now, right,
because that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Now we've been looking I know you guys have been.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Looking at TikTok and you've been looking at how the Japanese,
the Japanese they can do the things that they can
do with hair. Now they can make black hair, right,
So transracial transhumanism, that's a bit, but that's gonna be
another topic, right, But just just laying the brick work. Okay,
you have the soft technology. It's very subtle, but it's
also in your face. And then you have these kids
(46:24):
that are being programmed with these ideals and they're perpetuating
them in their own way, and they're testing them out.
They're testing them out now yeah, you can have some
revolutionary yeah, because I mean, all of the ideas, even stereotypes,
they have to be tested out. They don't always work,
but the reason why we keep them going is because
at some point they work. Like, for example, again, Drake, okay, Drake,
(46:49):
we've been picking on this man since the grassy okay,
and the things that our community has been saying. Okay,
the things we have been saying. But then you look
as some of his behaviors and you see how it fits,
and you're like, see light skin behavior, right, and things
like that become real to you and we laugh about it, right,
(47:13):
we have fun with it. But the essence here is
it's an idea. These are ideas of colorism, and we
use them just like that. It be just like that
in conversation. Then it seeps into our dating preferences and
our marital preferences. It seeps into our beauty products. Who
(47:34):
are we marketing to, who are we marketing this product to.
Let's capitalize off of their colorism. Let's capitalize off of that,
Let's make money off of their suffering.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
So then I'm wondering when did it?
Speaker 6 (47:47):
When did it transcend being about your social status and
being about race, like when was the when was the switch?
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Because you talked about how.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's racism, that's racism.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
And again now the rest of the globe they were
still holding it down, they maintained.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Course.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
It was when America and it's racism and its flavor
of racism that took hold and then that kind of
amalgamated into what it is, a different beasts, a different monster,
different disease. And then it started to trickle out, you know,
you start to end up, and then you can industrialize it.
Speaker 6 (48:21):
Now, yeah, because then because then like you said, like
you know, like like Koreans they used to have like
the skin lightning things that used to pop up, you
know what I'm saying. But now it's transcended just how
much money you make and where's your status like in
your place of the world is now about whatever it
is that you're racist about. And that it just got
me thinking, like the American version of racism, Oh my god,
(48:44):
is as stupid and destructive as it was, Like just
how far it really went, you know what I'm saying,
Like it's a global epic, man, you just yeah, that
just blew my mind up.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
So you have to use.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
You have to understand that you use your color as
a tool, right, and you have to figure out how
to use that tool. Like it's crazy, but it's a
social construct, it's a thing, it's a thing. It's one
of the many interfaces that we use to interact with reality.
So if you have a lighter tone, then you're probably
gonna recognize Okay, this lighter tone affords me some privileges,
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but with this group though, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
With this group, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
So I probably need to stay away from that group
over there because the color doesn't work here like it
does over there. And so there's your social intelligence, because hey,
people are programmed, so you gotta figure out all right,
you know how deep is your programming?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
They gotta be a lot more job.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Yeah, wow, shit, everybody participates a video about how you
just only date white women. You're you're putting that out there.
You know, your preference is your preference. It doesn't need
to be known by everybody.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
Yeah, So if you're announcing your preference and means you're
scared of something underlying scard mm hm.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
The other Yeah, the other people feel bad because you're
not a part of their preference.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
So if they call you stupid, that means they think
they're stupid. They call you fat, they call you ugly.
Because happy people, I only hurt people. Hurt people. That's
what happens with colorism. If you're a happy person, you
love any and every play, because I know, I'm sure
I do. MM.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Families keep it alive if they have not become aware
of the little comments and jokes that they make amongst
because I used to be considered dark fader. That's like
saying it because I was. I was the darker skin
out of everybody. So yeah, families keeping alive. Yeah, if
they're not in social media. Man, you know, was just.
Speaker 6 (51:02):
Shaking my head. I grandma, my grandmother, God bless her
soul because she's not with anyone, not with us anymore.
But like how families perpetuated. I loved my grandma, But
my grandma was a piece of work, y'all. I'm talking
like a light skinned woman from the South, and everybody
in town. They lived in a really small Georgia town,
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and like the black community, they used to call a
white woman, that's what they used to call my grandmother.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
Because my grandmother was a piece of work.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
She was one of the original aka's baby like like
I'm talking, like she went to Tuskegee, you know what
I'm saying. Excuse me, Talladega graduated from Talladega.
Speaker 5 (51:40):
She was one of them originals.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
And if you weren't the paper bag test, did y'all
ever hear about the paper bag test? Yeah? I had
to educate some people about the paper bag test, you
know what I'm saying, because they did not know, Like,
excuse me, they do that in the black community. Yeah,
because we were trying to keep up with y'all asses,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (51:58):
And my grandmother she was staunch. Remember she did it
like on the slots of my kids, because my.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
Kids, all of my kids are they're you know, shade
Shade are a few lighter than me, right, So she
she did that to the sneak to my older son was.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
Like yeah, like giving me the approval, like yeah, like
he's gonna be fine. Yeah, she if he was darker.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Than her mm hmmm mmmmm.
Speaker 4 (52:19):
And my grandma she would just keep it going like
people in the family would keep it.
Speaker 5 (52:23):
Going, you know.
Speaker 6 (52:26):
I mean, she was like that she thought that she
thought that Obama was just like there was the wonder base.
She was like Michelle, she just too dark, she too
dark to be the first lady. I mean like, it
was crazy crazy, And that's where like, yeah, yeah, you're
right about the families keeping.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
It going.
Speaker 8 (52:45):
To and that's okay, okay, that's more light skin and
brown and dark skinned women.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
I'm not gonna say who said this, but I was.
We was at a family gathering and the lighter skinned
people was in the inside of the house. And when
I came in, somebody house out. Now you know the
field niggas supposed to be outside. They got jokes, they
it's in the family. And I looked at him. I said,
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your lighter skin is a result.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
Of rate exactly, remember that.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
And they just stood there.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
I said, gotcha, all the trauma go right ahead. Yeah,
we're getting all the trauma tonight, happy family reunion. We're
gonna bing out.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Got them. I still love them. I silenced that ship, though.
Speaker 5 (53:50):
Look what can you do about it? What can you
what can you do?
Speaker 6 (53:54):
Yeah, okay, So preference, it's having a preference for lighter
skinned women really detrimental.
Speaker 5 (54:00):
If it's properly explained.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
You don't have to put darker skinned women down. That's
the thing. Have your preference. You don't have to put
the other group down. If I have a preference for
white men, I'm not gonna get on here and talk
about that day in and day out and say I
only date white men because black men ain't shit. You
don't have to explain that you don't. You can have
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your preference. I like all men, tall, short, thick, skinny, light, dark.
I don't have a preference. Treat me well, shit, treat
me good. But I ain't even there yet, no more.
I ain't even there though. Some days I wake up
(54:47):
and tell myself, you know, I think I'm just gonna
be gay, like you know what. I don't want a husband.
I want to I'll get further along.
Speaker 4 (55:01):
Like I want to experience the black wife effect?
Speaker 3 (55:05):
Did I please have one? What where do I sign out?
Speaker 5 (55:11):
You better look at the statistics. You better look at
the statistics.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Break exam.
Speaker 7 (55:17):
When it comes to when it when it comes to
the woman on woman relationships, y'all bite mother for this
in the hot nineties, all right, that's true. And when
it comes to y'all in the hot nineties, yeah.
Speaker 5 (55:31):
High night, listen, A chance of working?
Speaker 6 (55:36):
Whoa they say, they say they was like sol my
lesbian friends, Hello, greeting my lesbian friends. They say, they'll say, hey,
you meet somebody in a week, Like you do that,
and then afterwards you're like, all right, Jesus, like it's done.
It's but we need somebody here for the for the
from the.
Speaker 5 (55:54):
L g B t Q community to speak on that.
So I'm just going to say heard, Yeah, I just know,
but I will tell you this.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
I'm like, I live in Washington State, and I figured
that myself.
Speaker 6 (56:06):
I'm like every everything up between the sun, you know
what I'm saying, Like up under the sun. It's like,
I don't know the chances of me potentially finding somebody
at first of all, at my healthy ass age and
then in Washington State somebody who is of the same race,
you know what I'm saying. I'm like, I don't know
if it'll happen. I don't know if it won't, but
I'm not closing myself off.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
To any opportunities.
Speaker 6 (56:28):
So I'm like, and I don't have any like preferences,
preferences because what I thought that I liked, I end
up not marrying, you know what I'm saying. Like my
ex husband was the complete antithesis of what of what
my preference was, I would want it no more. I
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don't even want it no more.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
I'm sorry. Please just pass me up, don't talk to me.
I stayed playing Jane and work out in these streets.
I don't even won't it anymore. I'm telling you, I'm dying.
Speaker 7 (57:04):
It's an amazing because the crazy point is I hear
a lot of women say like, why did he choose
to talk to me?
Speaker 5 (57:12):
And I look like this because God ain't.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
Made no mistake.
Speaker 7 (57:19):
That God ain't make no mistake. So the natural, the
natural is always going to be there. That's always because
God ain't make no mistake. So if you're telling me
that God did something wrong, you don't want it, ain't nothing.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Going to do with you.
Speaker 7 (57:32):
To begin when sleeping, you're trying to you're trying to
change what God made perfect.
Speaker 5 (57:39):
If you better than God, show.
Speaker 4 (57:41):
Me show me the way, show me the way.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Please.
Speaker 5 (57:46):
That's all I got to say about that. Oh I
love a black woman and un natural and that's when
I walk up on you.
Speaker 4 (57:54):
Wow, I don't make up.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
I don't think no no, no, no, no no no no.
Speaker 5 (58:00):
W just dropped.
Speaker 3 (58:01):
W just dropped a hellified comment. All the preference for lighter,
lighter or other women. I believe black men have never
seen black women as worthy to them for love a
better life.
Speaker 4 (58:17):
I mean, I think that that's a I mean.
Speaker 5 (58:21):
Giving on black love.
Speaker 3 (58:23):
Aw, we are in the same boat. The last portrayal
will be the last portrayal for me. That's sad though,
I feel like that's no, it's not that I've been married.
I've been married.
Speaker 7 (58:39):
That just comes what that that is, That is a
to be honest, it is a powerful statement, but that
comes from a place of hurts.
Speaker 5 (58:45):
So soon as you unwind that, then you'll have your answer.
There's nothing that I will be able to tell somebody.
Speaker 7 (58:52):
Like that unless they ask me the question, because I'm
not saying I know it all, but.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
I have that answer.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
But that is.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
We're just see I believe, I don't believe, So we're
just dealing with beliefs here. Beliefs are very powerful. Remember,
beliefs are very powerful. I mean, this is why colorism
is still here.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
Believe that is, I believe, even if.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
It's just like a crazy idea, to some degree, you
entertain it because at some level you believe, in some
level a little bit.
Speaker 4 (59:27):
It's funny.
Speaker 6 (59:29):
It's funny that that's the that is a belief, you know,
I've come to find it if I believe that black
men do not find me worthy, just like you said,
I kind of believe that that's something that within myself
that's telling me that I don't believe that I'm worthy
of love, you know, like, and that's my that's my
own thing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (59:49):
Like you're talking about it, baby, where did you come from?
Did you come from my TikTok page?
Speaker 2 (59:57):
Girl?
Speaker 3 (59:57):
Because you talking about a lot of it, man, Because
that's fast too much unaddressed trauma in the community. With
that being said, shout out to all the men who
were brave enough to come forward in Illinois about that
juvenile detention center where they had been brutally taken advantage
(01:00:20):
of for years. Oh wow, it was like six to
eight hundred men.
Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
We need we need more men coming out and talking
about their trauma. We need to heal from the inside. Baby.
Once we can do that, we will be fucking unstoppable.
Do you hear me?
Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
But that's yeah, yeah, we definitely go ahead.
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
I know, I know, y'all.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Lord, well no, no, but I mean there's more working
on it than but see, that's the thing about man.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
We don't like to broadcast our shit.
Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Okay, yes, we don't like to talk.
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
I mean that's on a lot of things. We don't
like to talk.
Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Like we'll talk, but it's the same space space, you know.
But also just in general, we don't like telegraphing our moves,
like you'll just find out that. Like, hey, you want
to know the play, well let's do a rewind, but
not before the play happens.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
We don't want to you know, like, yeah, it's good to.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Show it sometimes, like hey, join our group, you know,
share this all right, Hey we're doing this group on
Tuesday's virtual. I see a lot of that going on,
a lot of healings talking just and but it's also
there's been research behind this too. It's things like all right, hey,
what's the language, because you can't really heal until you
(01:01:43):
understand the language of healing.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Too.
Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
There's certain things you can't say, there's certain ideas you
got to root out, and that's all tied into your language,
your thought process.
Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
So it's happening, it's just it's happening quietly.
Speaker 7 (01:01:55):
I gotta pig up that because honestly, I wouldn't think
the way I think or be the man that I
am if I didn't have me and like John seeing
themselves in me, people like Dion seeing themselves in me
to say, hey brother, listen, oh hey, you're saying like a.
Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Good dude, I'm gonna show you this.
Speaker 7 (01:02:12):
They put a jewel down, and if I pick it
up and put it in my bag, they still teach
me more.
Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
I don't see that.
Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
I don't see that.
Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
When it comes to our women, I see I see
an are women.
Speaker 7 (01:02:22):
The older women are competing with those younger women, so
they don't they don't pass that knowledge too much. Most women,
most women that's knowledgeable, get their knowledge from men. That's
just how that's that's just what I said.
Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Wow, Okay, because I don't. I don't. I don't have
any younger people in my tribe. I don't. Not okay,
not yet, not yet.
Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
It's gonna happen with you though I can see it.
It's absolutely not a whole lot. It's just gonna be
like you know, you got like three two something. It's
for you. It's gonna be like that.
Speaker 7 (01:03:01):
But that's what I've seen personally or anecdotally in my experience.
Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
It's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
It's a hard subject.
Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
I know that just puts tears. I can't even say it.
I am the statistic being unmarried, childless, unable to birth children,
dark skin, never been asked to be married. It feels
like a purse sometimes. Wow.
Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
God, it's such a way that you look at the
world sometimes.
Speaker 7 (01:03:36):
But just like John said, those beliefs are so strong,
but whenever they choose to believe in something different, you'll
be surprised at how your world changes.
Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Okay, but you have to commit to it though. That's
the thing. You have to commit to the idea, whatever
it is. You have to commit to it. You can't
just say one time and think, you know, the universe
is sort of like a copy machine. So all right,
are you sure because I'm about to send this No no, no, no, no,
(01:04:05):
I didn't mean I was just you know, that was
just impulse. Oh okay, you better you better affirm it
again and affirm it again. Like you have to commit
to the ideas, so it can't be shallow. You can't
just like you gotta commit.
Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
I just wanted to I just wanted the hold space
for for for W's comment. But I mean just because
of the fact that I think that I have been
married and I do have kids, right, And like I
said before, I am I am a brown skin chick.
So I kind of I feel like I kind of
like split down the middle, right, But I definitely resonate
(01:04:43):
with with what they will saying, you know what I'm saying,
and you know, feeling like like they're a statistic, like
they're you know what I'm saying, like from the things
from the evidence. Remember I was speaking before, like sometimes
you know, like with my brain, if I don't see
the evidence of things, I can't it's hard to it's
hard to look away from the mirror to try to
(01:05:05):
look at something that's different because it's like, but this
is the evidence, and I believe that the evidentials that
I like, I haven't seen anything that's different to pull
me away from the evidential to make me think something different. Yeah,
say what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, because
it's like if you I mean, you'll get somebody, you'll
also get some light skin women, let's just say, from
(01:05:26):
light skinned women who will be like, well, I've never
got more and I've never you know, like like nobody
and nobody has, you know, like they'll look at it
because I am black, Like not even because.
Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
That they are lighter skin, but but because they are black.
Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
They feel like like those are the things that are
coming to them because they don't see any evidence of
anything different. Right, So I just want to behave to
hold space for that, Okay, all right, And and if
you don't get I mean, oh I'm sorry, let me
bring that.
Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Let me go ahead and bring that up.
Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
And I'm I'm perfectly fine with you know, that's fine,
and we can disagree. And I mean, if you have
a different you know there's something that's different that pops
up for you. I mean, hey, let us know, you know,
I mean, this is all the show about learning. Go
ahead every day you look you had, then I.
Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Do because I I understand how I feel right now.
And I've been here before. Okay, me and John talked
about this years ago. You feel this way now. Just
like Sherman said, the way that you're talking is coming
from a place of hurt. And everyone on this podcast
(01:06:34):
knows that I am still healing from that last situation
that I was in and it's going to take some time.
So right, now I've cut myself off from even thinking
about being involved with anybody else until I can get
over this hume, and then maybe things will be different.
Every situation is different. So for you, Miss W, I'll
(01:06:56):
just put out good vibes on bloom. Yeah, that's that's it.
I'll put out good vibes.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Yeah, it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
Yeah. You know, it's funny. I've been.
Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
So me and Renee excuse me.
Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
We got leveled.
Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Everybody call me to day just kind of it's her
name Rene, Rene, Rene, Just it don't matter. I'm good.
Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Just one second, just might be small. Okay, going back
to Miss W. What we're doing here is healing in
front of everybody that that's that's what this is. That's
what this is.
Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
This is therapy.
Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
So we may not be one hundred percent correct, we
may not be one hundred percent right. We're not both.
It's always great to talk.
Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
Through things because I can learn from you and seeing
what you're saying. But if I already understand that it's
coming from her, that it'll probably be nothing that I
can do for you. What we're doing is what we're
always aiming to do, is help. What we're always aiming
to do is heal, and what we're always aiming to
do is learn. So it's we we can agree to
(01:08:12):
disagree sometimes, but we can always come for a comic.
Well that's all.
Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
I thank you, Sherviy.
Speaker 6 (01:08:19):
I was getting ready to say address me the whole time,
like we are healing in real time. So I'm gonna
go ahead, go ahead and put it out there. For
the last I have been healing from a situation situations
as well.
Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
And y'all all know I've been on my man's yet
for the last you know.
Speaker 6 (01:08:35):
Years, A right, Yeah, So I was I was literally
just thinking about some times like this is just a
space y'all. Also, and I'm a little bit of an
astrology nerd, and uh, this is just the time and
the space for I'm realizing in my life for energy
is to change.
Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Right.
Speaker 6 (01:08:49):
So because of the fact that I realized that it's
time for energy to change, I have been gathering evidence.
I started today on a fact fact seeking mension to
gather the evidence that men are not what I am
accustomed to.
Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
You know what I'm saying, men are not the like, the.
Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
The the Besides the fact that I have the I
have the evidence from these men.
Speaker 5 (01:09:14):
Who are in front of me.
Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
You know what I'm saying, because we've had conversations, like
in all of those types of things, I I understand
that these guys are not They're not They're not the exception,
you know what I'm saying, And in most cases they're
actually more of the rule than I considered.
Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
And oh, oh okay, so I'm gonna bring it, go
ahead and bring that up.
Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
But I was saying, oh, oh okay, okay, all right,
all right, that's what's up. So I was disagreeing with
the guy that said women get their information about men
from older women.
Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
Heard They're wrong.
Speaker 7 (01:09:49):
I get women get their most enlightened women that I
know in my life get their information from older men,
not older women. Older women. See, I'm the women's competition.
So the same forty year old is competing with the
same with the with the twenty year old for that
thirty year old man. I've seen that a lot because
(01:10:10):
just like and I got.
Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
That understanding from talking about, like, man, what is makeup?
Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
Because makeup ain't for us since you used to compete
with other women to say I'm pretty or I'm better
than she did.
Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
It's funny because when sometimes when you get a little
bit older, you got to realize he's makeup, Like right now,
I just have all my lipstick, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
But I don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
The older that I get, the more I'm just like,
I'm not even trying to wear this shit because it's
just like it's hot.
Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Is in the running every place.
Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
I don't want to do that.
Speaker 6 (01:10:40):
But you know what I'm saying, unless I'm going somewhere
like this special. But I hear what you're saying, and
I never really, man, I guess that older women who
are unenlightened, unenlightened are competing with younger women.
Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
But you know, and he's not generalizing by the way.
Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
You know, he's just saying men that.
Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
He knows.
Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
We ain't over here competing with they.
Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
They don't speak like they don't speak like that. Y'all,
y'all would be the exception to the rule.
Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (01:11:13):
You try to look try to look at things from
a perspective, but y'all trying to look at things from
Let me put myself in their shoes.
Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
I see healing, I see I said, of course, I
see pain.
Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Too.
Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
But at the same time, I see progression and how
do you to speak as opposed to the stuff that
I was thinking, you know, encountering and stuff like that.
I came up in the ghetto, so of course I'm
seeing nothing further. Just it wasn't a good energy being
put out.
Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
It wasn't nothing to school, but venom the time when
I heard them talking about men or women. So that's
that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Hey, that's a that's a bar right there.
Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
Depending on the area you come from, someone can get
the information about men from watching broken couples in the home.
Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
Man, And that's the download.
Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah, colorism that's where it comes from.
Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
It comes from you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:12:11):
It comes from social learning. It comes from that download.
It comes from watching broken people raise broken people, you know,
without understanding, Yeah, without an understanding that this kid who's
watching you do broken ship has their own autonomy because
what do we do back in the day.
Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
Oh my gosh, man, this really comes from slavery back
in the day.
Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
It's like we used to teach our kids you have
to listen to exactly what I say or else you're
gonna be dead, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
So it's like you you grow up living for survival
and it's like all that brokenness, but can continues to
perpetuate that brokenness.
Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
That's a whole, entire different show.
Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
So it really is because I'm sitting there trying to
figure out how I can break this off and spind
it because it's getting really good. Also, having learned men
from your own with unavailable.
Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
Physical Yeah, it's amazing, because it's amazing.
Speaker 7 (01:13:06):
It's amazing that most black people that I've encountered in
my life have the same story about what not to do,
but they have never seen an example of what to do.
It's hard to see that. It's hard to see what
love is when you do not know what it is.
But you know chaos, you no distress, you know hurt,
you no pain, or it's very valid you you can
(01:13:28):
you can see it just like that. It's almost like
a second sense. You know, you know chaos and pain
like the back of your hand, but you do not
know what love is. And then you go out in
the world and you try to find somebody and what.
Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Do you do.
Speaker 7 (01:13:40):
Nine times out of ten you're going to only destroy
them or they're going to destroy you.
Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
What love is.
Speaker 7 (01:13:48):
You have to because without it, the only thing that
you can produce is destruction. That's all you have to offer,
no matter how you put it, that's the only thing
that you can an offer.
Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
Mm hmm. You gotta out and you gotta heal from it.
You gotta and you're gonna have to learn.
Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
You're gonna have to take some boosteps and some of
it hits some boots and all that kind of good
stuff along the way, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
So I just wanted to just point to this question.
Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
Because we started off talking about colorism.
Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
We gotta you know, we always go.
Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
We are an hour in fourteen minutes.
Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
I just want to answer this question. Can we cancel it?
Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
We can?
Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
We can, but we won't. We can, but we won't.
Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
We want to move on with something now. Well, we
had to answer the question.
Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
No, go ahead, because I'm like, can we is it?
I think you're asking can.
Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
We cancel it?
Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
Or should I'm thinking like should we or can we?
You know, because we should cancel it. We should cancel it.
But who is really going to take the time to
try to do that. It's an individual that's I think
that that's an individual thing.
Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, that's working on you
and your own traumas.
Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:15:13):
And when she when she started working on you and
your own trauma, it's like, you've gotta start to change
your mind.
Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
Let me speak about myself.
Speaker 6 (01:15:19):
When I started working on my trauma, I addressed I'm
addressing everything.
Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
I asked questions about everything.
Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
You know what I'm saying about all of my so
called preferences, about my so called poliefs, about all the
things that I thought that was in this original download
that I don't need anymore taking shit out of my
fridge to put fresh food in. You understand what I'm saying, Like, Yeah,
I'm questioning everything. So I think it's a personal thing.
Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Yeah, I mean, ultimately, if you want to be especially
if you're you're black, you know, and you're down for
the cause, especially if you're black and your tail for
the cause, Hey, why wouldn't you check that? Why wouldn't
you check that at the door you about to engage
with your peoples, and why wouldn't you I just you
don't want to give them royal treatment. But you're down
for the cause, But you don't want to check that part.
(01:16:08):
That's a very important part, Like you can't be social
with the black folks, but you're kind of just like, yeah,
I'm gonna deal with these black folks, but not these
black folks because these black folks.
Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Are darker, and like that's the best you could do.
That's the best you could do for the resistance.
Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
I can't, Hey at this color right here, This is
where I stop. I'm black, but up to this part
right here, I gotta stop. I just I'm not at
peak blackness, Oberhud. I'm dealing with paper bagg.
Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
So, I mean, you know, I know that there's some
black folks out there that's like, yeah, I'm a color, yeah,
as long as I'm not a racist. But it's like
damn yeah you kind of yeah, you said that out loud,
so you know, you forget that there's us versus the
mentality going on here. I mean, are you for the
culture and not to say that right there to get
your cap bad like vanished from the black community. I mean,
(01:17:13):
I feel like we need to do that sometimes just
to check some people. I mean, but it's this is
a dream. It's an ideal, right, It's an ideal. So
I'm just saying, if you just want to be a
good or just a better human being, check your thoughts
of discrimination, check your thoughts on justript like why do
(01:17:34):
I like him?
Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Just because the eyes are kind of.
Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Like grayish, but he's like high yellow, And that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
That's it. That's where you stop.
Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
I mean, that's objectification.
Speaker 7 (01:17:48):
And then then if you want to because that's a
that's definitely a step. But they'll take another step and check.
Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Who you are in the world.
Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
H check who you are.
Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Just figure that out.
Speaker 7 (01:18:01):
You taking steps forward because the more steps that you
take forward, the light of your words.
Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
Will be and the more your words will hit mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
It's not always about you, is that always?
Speaker 7 (01:18:17):
That's the ego?
Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Sharan, what you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
We can't get everybody, oh, go ahead, So I.
Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Just give it out the gyms that I've been given
us all. It's about to go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
I mean we should, yeah, we should cancel it. But
we all have to agree. We all have to agree
that hey, yo, this ship funked up. We all gotta agree.
And it can't be again, it's a commitment. It can't
be like yeah, because we all we have a habit
of doing that. Yeah, we agree, and then next Sunday
they're like, man, there's some light skin.
Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Ship right here. I tell you all, my oh yeah,
my bad. We were supposed to do the thing. My bad,
my bad.
Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
I'm gonna get right, y'all, gonna get it right. And
then we played too much and then it never happens.
Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
Yeah, that's not what we're doing. That's not about and.
Speaker 7 (01:19:07):
Just just real real quick for me to find out
because I honestly needed a little manuscript. I needed a
bluepress the book I read eighty five ten five. That's
that's kind of what showed me who I.
Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Was in the world.
Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
And I definitely wanted to be a.
Speaker 7 (01:19:23):
Five percent and out of ten. I'm not an eighty
five who never wanted to be either one of those.
I wanted to honestly be some type of four teachers,
somebody that can give something. Yeah, because if I'm giving
something and I'm serving somebody, I'm doing something right.
Speaker 9 (01:19:36):
You're here, That's how I feel about it. You're here, absolutely,
and I'm grateful to be here. Yeah, And I'm gonna
make sure that I'm.
Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
Here every god damn team that every chance I get get.
Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
You know what, I'm gonna buy that and sent it
to John look DJ mix. Yeah, oh oh my god. Okay,
we are coming up on an hour in twenty minutes.
(01:20:17):
This is really towards the end. Has become a great
freaking show. I want to thank w for coming on
with all of your comments. It needs to do you
positive energy, Marcus, I see that you stepped into the building.
Thank you so much. I want to thank my panel.
I want to thank John, Ivy Sherman with your accolades. Yeah, yes,
(01:20:49):
you know. I want to thank everyone who jumped in
on Tonight's Live. Tonight's Live. This has been things that
people don't want to talk about, and we're going to continue.
Well next month it's March.
Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
Oh come back, went back, come.
Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
You just got to get everybody to believe it. Everybody
don't believe it, everybody.
Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
And that's why we hear Tuesday, W. That's why we
hear every Tuesday to.
Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Talk to.
Speaker 7 (01:21:28):
Passing down from generation to generation. That's why they say
all your kids are runs in the family. Know you're
eating habits, running the family.
Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Oh ship, All right, now, I know you know for
black history, well, you know Ivy talked about we should
talk about the things that are hindering us going forward
(01:21:59):
in March. Should talk about things that that we can
move on.
Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (01:22:04):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Okay, how do y'all think about that?
Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
I love that?
Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
Okay. Let's talk about what can we do with this turn,
with this turn in American history?
Speaker 6 (01:22:18):
Y'all, y'all don't have man, Okay, I'm shutting up.
Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
I'm going on you.
Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
All right, We're gonna get into our think tanks and
figure out what kind of topics we're gonna have for
the month of March. Thank you to everyone who jumped
in on Tonight's Live, and we will see you all
back here Tuesday. John, you got me
Oh God, lovel you can tell them my setting love
it up, God love what you can tell them my
setting level up, God level, you can tell them my setting.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Level up, level up, let it up. Everything that means everything.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Connected to everything. And that's why and that's why everything
all lies.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
On, all lies on everything.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
That means everything.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Is connected to everything.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Okay, good evening, good evening, good evenings is evening. Let
me go pen it's real quick. Make this available for
everyone after and Facebook land podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Out There is a digital after universe.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
This guy.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Okay, wait a minute, it's it's still not.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
This is things that people don't want to talk about.
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Speaker 4 (01:31):
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Speaker 3 (02:11):
That's what's up, John, You want to go ahead and
represent yourself.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
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Speaker 2 (02:38):
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Speaker 1 (02:40):
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Speaker 3 (02:45):
That's what's up.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
That's one of the art. That's one of the pieces
of art for one of the albums. It's a pyramid
right there. There's two brothers like right here, right here,
and it's me, my am my producer. He helped me
with that so it's a collab album. You know, hip
hop is making a turnaround.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Thank you Kendrick Lamore. Thank you Kendrick Lamore.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
She murdered, turn the TV off, Turn the TV off.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Davy TikTok is still relling from that halftime show. Do
you hear me? That song? Period just keep going back
up because people are just finding ways to keep using it.
That he literally revitalized hip hop last year. I said
it at TikTok. You know we are wanting the real.
(03:48):
We didn't have enough of fake culture. Okay, anyway, Sheirman,
go ahead and represent yourself because.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
I am Sherman Vaughn. I'm definitely not as decorated. I
am here to learn, to grow and to listen all
I got.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I'm not trying to be funny. Why was me and
Ivy aligned when he said I'm not as decorated? We
both went like at the same time, like, Sharman, you
got plenty to give, plenty of just a young man
with a with a good head on his shoulder.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
And I love it.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, I tell you all the time, the things that
the conversations that we have had has stuck with me.
It has You're the reason why you're one of the
reasons why I'm here and the rest of my tribe
right here, Ivy. That is she she sees.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
It does.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
How a man sees the world is how he sees himself.
I'll never forget that because.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
That was a.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That from Sherman. How a man sees the world is
how he sees himself. So if he's always looking out
and seeing nothing but negativity everywhere he freaking go, that
is exactly how he feels about himself. And I love
the way that he will will pose a question to
make me think about my actions and what I am doing.
(05:23):
Are you sure that it's the best move for you?
If you ain't got a tribe like this, I don't
know what to tear. You gotta have good people in
your corner with yourself, John, we damn near at a
decade right now, Ivy, Honey. Just watching you blossom for
a whole year has been truly amazing and inspiring. I
(05:47):
love it. I don't know what Sherman went to. Anyway,
we can go ahead and get started.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Let's get it cracky, because then I have been asking
about friends to talk about it. I'm like, let's go
ahead and get into this. Let's get into it. Because
we asked the question.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Go ahead, I'm shut up.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I'm gonna ask the question. You want to go ahead
and answer? What is what is colorism? And how does
it compare to racism?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
You know what? Okay?
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Before I get started, first of all, I want to
hear John, and I want I would love to hear
because you know, I'm gonna put you on the spot, brother,
come home, man, because you always okay, you always get
like the you know, like the logical, the very wide
out answer to things right. And I'm not my own opinions,
but I would like to hear I would love to
(06:36):
anybody who's watching out here, let's talk about the difference
between colorism and racism, like what like how does it
show up in the black community?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Go ahead, I'm shut up, Go ahead, y'all.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
All right, So.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
We can say that colorism is essentially an offshoot of racism,
but we're talking about discrimination on the basis of color
with colorism, and with racism, it's discriminate nation on the
basis of race. So typically when we're referring to color,
we're referring to within the race. So it doesn't have
(07:08):
to necessarily just be black people. It could also be Indians,
which it is. It could be Brazilians, it could be
Costa Ricans, it could be Chinese, a lot of Asians, yes,
with the Asians, both Thai, Filipinos, Japanese too, Chinese and
I'm missing one. I'm missing one. I'm missing oh in
(07:30):
the Koreans oh man yep. And some would even argue,
some would even argue that colorism kind of predates racism
because you know, the depictions of darkness versus lightness. Yeah,
just think about it before. I mean, racism is sort
of a recent concept. But this whole darkness versus lightness
(07:52):
that kind of proceeded before Europeans, you know, started propagating
go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
House versus the field. Nigah.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
But we're talking about before that because you before.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
That, because again again you know, and in the Asian
countries as well, this is kind of whiteness, the concept
of whiteness, that purity, that that's beyond race. Racism kind
of following me, but that that it's an argument, it's
an argument, you know, So essentially we're still just talking
about discrimination beginning at the end of the day. The
(08:26):
core element of colorism and Racism is the discriminate, the
discriminatory behaviors, the actions, the attitudes. It's not just all right,
I said something, but it's also behavioral. It's in how
do I treat the darker versus the lighter? What are
my attitudes towards them? Because my attitude is going to
(08:46):
dictate the treatment that I elicit.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Right, So, yeah, because I was getting right to say,
I was like, if you really think about it, like
in the Indian cast system that was all about colorism,
you know what I'm saying, Like they literally based an
entire social socioeconomic status, like your position in the country
based off of whether or not you were born darker
or whether or not you were born lighter, you know
(09:10):
what I'm saying. So it's like and if you even
if you think about it, right, like when like when
colonization was hard to happen, and when that Spanish excuse
me Portuguese, when the Portuguese guy came and he got
slaves from Africa and started the trans an Atlantic slave market.
He did so because he said, you know something, these
(09:31):
slaves will be much harder to escape, to get away
because they can't just blend in with the rest of
our society basing a whole thing on colorisk right, So yes, definitely, colorism.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It has a it has.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
A big vein, has a big audio vein inside of racism.
So I agree with that. Yeah, My question is is
why is it still a thing in twenty twenty five.
But I know you, I know we're gonna get there.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I'm gonna be crying.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
I'm gonna go ahead, and.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
We're gonna get there. But yeah, it's still a thing
in twenty twenty five. We see a lot. Okay, never mind,
We're gonna wait. Okay, okay, never mind, maybe yours friends
or even in pop culture. Minds came when I was
(10:22):
six years old, six or seven, white Jesus, watching the
TV white here, white there, white everywhere, and seeing how
white people were living on TV versus US and how
we was living. That was the first time I seen
(10:47):
a separation. And then amongst my own people, dark skin
was treated roughly. It was rough. They was rough on
dark skinned people. They had little nicknames for us black
African booby scratcher, what, yes, la, Yeah, we had we
(11:19):
It's it was a thing. It was a thing. I
noticed it. I noticed it very early on. It was
a thing. So yeah, I don't know did you have
you ever experienced.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
I have a question when when were you, like when
did you become aware? Like I noticed you said that
you saw like you know, white Jesus and you saw
like all of the images like you know, like when we.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Were coming up.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Because I mean, if let's go ahead and keep this
a buck, I'm forty eight years old.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
I know that.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
That's I mean when I was and seven, I wasn't
excuse me, when I was five and six, I wasn't
necessarily aware that there was this difference until my Auntie
plain to me the transatlantic slave trade the reason why,
like you know, i'stund.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Like explained all of that, all of that stuff. They
kind of caught up to me.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
So when were you, like actually consciously aware that that
you were being treated different because of the fact that you,
you know, because you're because of your skin.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
In my own home, Oh man, I'm the darker one
out of everybody. Wow, I'm the first born, yet I'm
the darkest out of all of my brothers and sisters.
So mine's happened in the house. Yeah wow wow coming
(12:42):
up the dark skin. Yeah, and then I was always sticker,
so yeah, the wow.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
I just know, like for me to answer this, the
first time that I noticed like that, I was actually
aware of colorism.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Like I think i've might oh yeah, well actually I
was aware of it.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Because you know, like you a little girl, you know,
it's like you don't necessarily think about your looks looks
until you, you know, you start getting you know what
I'm saying, It's like you're interested in boys and you're like, I,
I God, you can cue blah blah.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
And I just remember that I came to the way
that I felt that I felt about what I was
attracted to. My cousins were always kind of like, oh,
you gotta get yourself a light skin, boy, you gotta
get yourself a light skin. You know what I'm saying, Like,
oh look at him, Q he light skin, he got
pretty hay a, he got shot like you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Like it was always that type of thing.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
And then when yo, when school Days came out, Man,
that's when it came out for me in pop culture
when school Days came out, baby day, Because you know
what I'm saying, the wannabes versus the jigaboos.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
That shit was done.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Bro, Like that was a real like in your face
and me being kind of like in the middle, just
kind of like brown skinned girl, you know what I'm saying,
And like I didn't, you know, like I was. It's
just like for me personally, I was like I didn't
really ascribe to either side, but just like seeing how
it really like affects just like you know, friends of
(14:09):
mine and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
That's yeah, it's real.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
It does It's real.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Yeah, it's real.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And now we have we have our mixed community.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
M we I mean, we do, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
And they feel so I think they feel a couple
of different ways come down.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Life scan privilege.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Life scan privilege. Yeah, man, what does it actually look
like in real life? I don't know. I'm not life scanded.
You don't life scandid privilege. You see it on TV?
(15:00):
You know you sing it on TV growing up? How
except with the Cosby's. I love that how they had
all shades, but they would they would rather have first
Prince of bear lerapists me off when they just switched
out the mothers.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Yeah, because because the first I live was like everything, man,
a lot of women identify with her.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, you know, it was always in our face. The
darker skin was the big black mama, masculine.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Very masculine, always.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
White skin women were presenting ye yeah, to softer features.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
More.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
It was programming, m programming, I mean, and the programming
has not it's like it's continued to it's like continue
And that that really came from the fact that you know,
like I mean, we all can talk about it, like
back in the day, you know, the slave owners be like, oh,
you know, she got part white in her, so she
must know something.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Or they stay in the house, the dark slaves staying
outside coming.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Now yeah, yeah, so we know where that came from.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
And I don't I don't know light skim privilege, but
for some reason it's like my okay, so my my
youngest kid is is is lighter, you know, And I've
seen the ways I've seen the way that that so
called light skim privilege kind of like like I think
that like they want to be they want to be different,
(16:37):
like they want to be darker, you know what I'm
saying like that, oh yeah, oh yeah, and it might
have something to do with me because I'm always the
person like after I get a tan, you can't tell
me ship, Like you know what I'm saying, you can't
tell me anything. I think I'm the most gorgeous thing
that's walking ever on the face of the planet. Like
after I get a tan, dead ass, Like it's like,
(16:57):
you know, and like I'll come in from like I
went to the beach, went on vacation.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I'd be like, look at it, that meiling, look at
that mail at it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
But my daughter's like, excuse me.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
My my youngest is sort of just like.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Like, yeah, you know, maybe if I wasn't just golden,
you know.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
And so I don't like I think that they feel
it a little bit, you know, you know what I'm saying.
But I'd be like, Mayby, we come in all shades.
It does not matter, it matters what your heart is.
But so I haven't seen the other thing. I've heard
about it. I've heard about privilege, and I've noticed it
like in certain and certain things in pop culture and
(17:36):
with other people who are lighter skinned.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
In the videos, the models.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
M go ahead, go right ahead, being light skin, Yeah, y'all,
I'm accepted easier.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I'm looking at it.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Yeah, I've looked at it as less of a threat.
I'm looked at it as more intelligent. I'm looking at
it's more obedient. I'm looked at it's easier to deal with.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I'm looking at that's who we talk to, because at
least he may know something.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
It hasn't changed. Nothing's changed, nothing, nothing has changed. Police
to see a nigga catchers. Job's stealing equal slavery.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
And there's bars that we do not see. They're still here.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
Nothing's changed, but we just mass it up to make
it look different, dress it up and make it look
good for me with what we've done so far, so
me being light skinned.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
It's definitely.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
It's definitely one thousand percent of privilege. I don't I
don't try to take it because I wear my blackness
on my heart, on my.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Sleeve, on everything. That's who I am, that's what I'm about.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
You can treat me, you could treat me a certain way,
but I bully the bully. So if you treat my
brother something something different because he's darken than me, you're
gonna have to answer to me too. So you could
talk to me, that's fine, but I'll said anything down
that I have to. So, yeah, it is a It
definitely is a privilege. And I've always and with my
name being Sherman, I'm pretty much damn near shoe in.
(19:21):
They think, oh he's a he's a nice Negro's complicated.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
That's just how it goes.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
He doesn't have anything, he won't do what they will do.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Those are my people. Mm hmmm. So anything that they'll do,
I'll do it too. That's just what it is.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
When did you become aware of it?
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Yeah, yeah, element elementary school, because I grew up, I
grew up in the city. You gotta talk about people.
You gotta learn how to jont so you know, black people,
get your black ass, you know what I'm saying, get
your get your light.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Skin, pretty boy.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yet it was different.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
It was just black ass. But light skin always came
with pretty boys, or you are curly hair or something presentable,
something good, something positive was always kind of following it,
and they would try to, you know, make that into
a joke. But when it was darker, it was always
looked at as ugly or big or fat or masculine
or mean or that's not because I love me a
(20:26):
chocolate woman.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
And that's just a preference. But I dated every I am.
It ain't. It ain't no flavor that I ain't that
I ain't anyway. All that being.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, let me sip some tea because.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
You don't meet too many men like Sherman that say
they prefer a darker skin woman and actually mean it.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
I used to wish I was dark skin when I
was little. I used to think I wouldn't always. I
used to think I wouldn't all the way black because
of how I was treated.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Oh that's just how it was. That's just what it
was for me. They wouldn't treat me. Oh man, you're
not like them. I am like that. Those are my people,
So don't tell me I'm those are mother. I would
have to.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
I would get in small fights and quarrels and shit
like that because you know, certain things.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Said, are you not like that? Or you better than that? Wow,
that's what it's like being light scarfed, so you can
get into a couple of more doors, but you're still
a nigga.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
So that there's oh man, that has got to be frustrating.
I'm just I was before you came back in. I
was speaking about like my youngest, my youngest. My youngest
is you know, pretty pretty light, right, and like sometimes
I just you know, like they won't necessarily express completely
how they feel about being lighter, but they'll sometimes you know,
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just kind of reference that they wish that they would
get more tan or things of that story. But that
I'm like, that's really interesting that you brought up, Like
there's still this it's still this layer of separatism if
you're light, if you're lighter skinned black.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
That that's what I hear you. That's what I hear
you saying.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Kind of sort of there, like there's still separitism from
from your identity.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Oh my gosh, oh wow, Wow. Yeah, it's definitely different.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Man, I learned it at he's very very young, and
I'm talking about seven, eight nine.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
I understood it dating yea, not even not dating, No,
I know what I'm saying, woo bike, but uh dating
high school ninth grade loyal honestly middle school eighth grade,
eighth grade, don't know, like.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Yeah, you probably gonna get you a challenge with lady time.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
No.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I had mostly life skinned girlfriends throughout.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
High school, actually all but one.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
I never discriminated.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
I never really understood that because I like her, her
and her.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I don't really understand what y'all looking at, but I
know what I see mm hmm. But I mean I
saw it with my friends. If they were.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Darker skin, they always had a light skinned girl they were.
If they were light skin, they always had a darker girl.
I mean you grew up thinking that's right. You see
just like just like Ivy and and you said, you
really see it. You see it on TV, you see
it in the radio, you see it in books.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
You're always it's always a type of programmer.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, it's always going. The programming never stops.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
No, because they need as separate because if we're separate,
them will never turn around and look at the easily conquered.
There you go, you see the real I'm looking and
you look like me.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
I'm looking at John.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
I'm looking at you as enemy, but I know what
real enemy is.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Another time, I was like, that's that's kind of crazy
that you spoke about, you know, like like the separatism
and how you kind of like didn't describe to one
to one type because going into this next question question
talking about dating apps, you know, workplace promotions, even beauty ads.
I mean I have run across so many darker skin
you know, darker skinned women.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Let's go ahead and keep this.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Abuve, right, Okay, It's it seems like there is this
construct where if you're a darker skinned guy, you got
to have a lighter skinned woman.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
You've got to have a lighter skinned women. Right.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Yeah, but you know, I've found a lot of a
lot of brown girls and a lot of darker brown girls,
like we want sometimes like sometimes we want somebody who
looks like us.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
So then it's like and the dark skin cats are
basically telling like it's almost like the darkest it's it
feels like it feels like maybe I make this up
that the darker that a lot of the darker skin
cats and it's just their preference. You're allowed to choose
whoever you want to, whoever you love, you fall in
love with, whoever you whoever you love. But for dark woman,
it's like we kind of want to find somebody. It
feels like a lot of us kind of want to
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find somebody who looks like us. But when you're considered
like you know, like the stereotypes, we're considered it fat, lazy, ugly, nappyheaded, you.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Know, your darker skin. If you're darker, and if you're
darker skin, you're going to have a harder time in
that area if versus if you were light scanned and
or mixed.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Yeah, because I remember even Little Wayne when he came
out with the line, or if you are if you
ain't light skinned, don't.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Have a big yeah yeah yellow bomb only. So you
are promoting one particular shade of black women. That's even
in the videos. You can see it.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
The light a look better and the rappers and the
celebrities are the main programmers.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Just said little leg just said it, just said it. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
And that's when we look to it. That's what we idolize.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
So we're gonna look at because we don't want to
be ourselves from a young age.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
You're not talking you don't you know, you're not ever
talked to be who you are because you're the only life.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
That you You're You're literally the only person that can
be you.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You're one of one.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Don't make me miss out on your life trying to
be somebody else. That's what pisses me off the most.
But it's but everybody does that. How can I tell
somebody something and they ain't trying to hear me. If
they're not, they're not looking for help. They're going to
try to be that next person or that next guy
or that next girl.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Because that's what's that's what's it.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Yes, hard to talk to yeah, man, it's hard to
break that program into you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
It is it was a point where like all the
top celebrities, athletes who get them it's no money and
you know, speaking of what wives, what is think about?
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Like what what did Cat Williams.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Harsh Man.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It's some light skinned, funny looking that just stands there
and just takes pictures. But you never heard talk, no interview.
It's Kat Williams. We need an update.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
He's on tour.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Like that is Yeah, that is real and mostly all
of those men are doork skinned it m hm.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Okay, So so my question is, okay, so let's go
to workplace promotions, right, okay, okay, So I honestly think
about it, right when you start talking about the workplace,
you know how like the generation before hours and even
there the generation before them, like you had the greatest
generation and then the boomer generation, which was our parents generation, right,
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if you think about every time that you that you
would that they heard in the news that, oh, somebody
broke the racial bread barrier, somebody broke the color line.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
It was always a lighter skin black person.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
It was.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
It was always a lighter skip except for oh my gosh,
I cannot believe I'm forgetting his name Baseball.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
That was like one of the only ones Jackie Robinson.
Oh that's it.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Sports.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
Sports was like that was like the separating line, right
because we think about Jackie robinsoning, we think about what's
my man, the one who.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Was the headweight boxer.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Who got in trouble for having all the white women,
and you know, yes, yes, I was like, the names
are escaping me, but they're coming up.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Like but but I mean, like other than.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Just like sports, like if it came to anything that
was like like even even the three women, Oh gosh,
that that that. I'm sorry, I forgetting all of this.
I'm forgetting all of the stories in the times right now.
But the three women that broke in the NASA, like
the ones who were like they called thank you, lighter
skinned women. I think that there was one brown skin
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girl like in between if I'm not mistaken, you know
what I'm saying. But it's always been like those opportunities
that they have. I mean, let's go ahead and keep
it a buck. If they were breaking the color line,
it's almost like they had to be light skin in
order to break.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, that is like I mean black.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Yeah, So I mean like even going further than just
like the data nets, like like when like even in
the times of the Antebellum period, you know, when when
the US it just came out of the Civil War
and everything else, when these when black people were like, oh, okay,
well we're founding our slaves anymore. We feel like we
want to contribute, right, No, nope, we're keeping light skinned
negroes only, you know, like even back that far.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
So it's crazy, you know, it's like, how do you
so what is that?
Speaker 6 (29:57):
What does that say to somebody? What does that say
to anybody who falls on either one of the lines?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
You know that LFE skinned has more of a chance
of succeeding than someone.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Well, all right, we have to remember we're dealing with
supremacy here. Okay, we're dealing with supremacy here. So it's
based in fear. The whole thing is based in fear.
You're more afraid of me. You're more afraid of me
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than you are of him, Maya, than.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You are of Drake.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
You're less intimidated by him because he's closer, he's closer.
I don't expect you to not be afraid. I don't
expect you to not be afraid. I don't expect it.
But when you have him that close, when you have
her that close, you're still afraid. You're still afraid. Okay,
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we're still afraid of this black person. That's why they
can only go this far. I want you close because
I could use this. I could use this to say, hey,
I got some black You're useful. I want to keep
you within arms reach. You're useful.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I'm not racist. I've got black cousins, all right, friends.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I've got.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Supremacy. And again, that's just what it was like. We
can condemn it and all, but that's just what it is.
We know that's what it is. So all we're dealing
with is the operations of that major mind. This is
just one of the programmers, right, So in terms of
the colorism, you know, it's pre installed from that space.
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The whole thing operates from that space. We're just taking
it on and recycling and you know, playing with it
or whatnot. But their mindset is be afraid of this
darker person than the slighter skin person. Be afraid. There's
a fear that it's an irrational fear. We know it
is at conscious level, we know it's an irrational fear.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
However, it's still there.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And so unless you confront that fear, it's there, and
it's gonna pop up in your media. It's gonna affect
your consciousness, it's gonna affect what you create, it's gonna
affect everything that you do.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
It's like a disease.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
So yeah, in your media, it's in even in your
social media when you're creating your little algorithms.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Oh yeah, the lighter.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Ones are getting more favorable, you know, they're getting more looks.
But also but also hold on, hold on, Not only
are you putting that in the algorithm, the algorithm is
only just appealing to what's.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Already out there.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I mean, what good does it do to put that
in the algorithm or put that as an algorithm and
the user doesn't even interact with that?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
What good would that do?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Unless you already knew that that was out there, So
you're programming it in your databases, your Google searches, it's
in everything that you're doing, because it's already here. The
software has already been here.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Because I got a question, go ahead, because I've seen
this happen take place last year. Erica Kane or Kane,
I can't think of who she is an influencer. She
got on there and they end up dragging her because
of what she said my life. Skin is the reason
why I'm here in your door, skin is the reason
why you're there, and you will never be able to
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get to where I'm at, and they drag her.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
But but let's go ahead. Let's go ahead and ask this.
If that's the download, and that's the algorithm, and the
algorithm is already doing what the algorithm is doing, then
can we really say that our preferences to either date
exclusively like women or like man, or our exclusivity to
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dating just dark man or dark woman, is that really
a preference or is that subconscious proben I.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Mean, some of it, some of it is is gonna
be subconscious programming, some of it is, and then some
of it's just gonna be choice. And sometimes those choices
may not make sense, you know. And I was gonna ask, like,
at what point do you say, okay, this is just preference.
Like for example, you know, you ask my wife she
likes chocolate, okay, okay, And it's not to say that
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she doesn't like the other. But if you ask her,
she's gonna choose chocolate. So it's like, all right, well,
hold on, hold on, well why can't she just choose?
Hold on, you can only choose one. Yeah, you could
only choose one, So what you're gonna choose? Right, So
there's that element underneath is all right? Is it a
problem when it's something you actually want? Because you know, okay,
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this is esthetically pleasing, m.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
But at what point do we do we ask ourselves
that like?
Speaker 6 (35:01):
And like, at what point are we asking ourselves that
is it to have about?
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Well?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I know, personally, John, it don't matter because for me
it's more of a I'll take what I can get, honestly, because.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
This high thing.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I get gigged for the hype thing more than I
get gigged for this, So the highth thing be kicking
my ass. But hey, you know, you like what you like,
so for me, it doesn't matter, right, But I think
it does matter for some folks out there. Like if
a woman's like, oh, I just got to have me
a chocolate man, in my mind, I'm like, okay, well
why not because if she gets one and it fits
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the bill. But then it's like, I understand the implication here. Again,
we're talking about discrimination, right, and there could be some
preferential treatment. But the preferential treatment has to be in
the context of I'm doing this in face of you,
as in I'm doing this to spite you. Also, I'm
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choosing you to make you feel bad for be in
this shape. Like That's that's what the preferential treatment, that's
what the impact hits the most. It's oh, yeah, I
chose Linda over you, Tracy because she's lighter skinned, and
I need you to know that I told her.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
That's different.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
That's different than Okay, it's just it's her in seventeen
different black women, and hey, I just picked her. I
just liked her, you know, and had nothing to do
with you know, So you don't involve anybody else in
the in the preference. That's the main key is if
it's a genuine preference, no one else should be involved.
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If I if I say I like black women, that
has nothing to do with anybody else, but just the
fact that, like, I know, there's other flavors out there,
but I'm not doing this because the other.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Flavors are out there, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
But a guy could be like, yo, I like women
or white women because black women did, so you're like
for white women is based on your dislike for black women.
So the foundation, So that's what we're talking about. That's
the discrimination is what is it based off of? If
you're just saying, Yo, you just like light skin dudes
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because they look exotic?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Hey, why can't you have that? Why can't she have that?
I could?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I could, I'd be like, yo, I agree that he
look exotic. Okay, I can see why. So why would
I be offended by that?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Right? Why?
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Unless unless she was doing that In comparison, John, I'm
choosing him because look at how exotic he looks, and
just look at you, and then it's like, damn, man, see.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
Now that I really believe, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
I'll be very quick. I really believe what John just said.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
I think it's half of that and the other half
is feared even even within our community. I got dogged
by dark skin take so I like light skined girl.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
I got dogged by light skinned girl, so I like
dark skilled girls. See, it's always the face.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And fear or exactly what for.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Exactly what John said.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
I think they look like this, But what John said
is more it's more preferential.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
They're looking more towards that.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
But when you get when it's a fear and you
I'm going to white women because that's already telling me
it's a fear.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
You couldn't you couldn't handle that heat because black women
bring some heat and you're gonna have to You're gonna
have to run out there.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
If you can't take it, you gotta have shift to
man because if you're just coming up with some with
some craziness in your younger years, you are not going
to get played.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
I repeat every.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Chance, listen, I'm just thinking that just gotta be So
I'm just gonna I'm gonna ask a question.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
I'm just gonna ask I'm carrious.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
So that if you just said that right, like basically,
like you know, like we've got some of these people
who you know they might have they might be like, oh,
I'm not messing with with you know these dry skinned
women or da da da da die, or I'm just
dating white women because of blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, we get a lot of black men who say that.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Yeah, I was about to say, I'm like, is there
some is there? There'd be some unhealed mother stuff that's
going on here?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
You know?
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Is that is that a mother womb that could be
could I'd be coming out of it because I know,
for instance, or a daddy womb even right, because I know,
for instance, I had I had a had a fred
dated exclusively exclusively white men, right, we never wouldn't you
and was married to one at one point in time,
and if it was married to a black man, it
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was like I'd be like fuck that, I'm not doing
this right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
It was like never again, and I'm like hmmm, and.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
I was just my preference.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
That's just what if they treat me better they you
know what I'm saying. And I'm like, like, you said,
whatever it is that is that it doesn't Is that
a communal wound from from cause that be?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
You know?
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Yes, exactly right.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
I believe that's true, especially in my anecdotal experience.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
It's based in fear. Maybe your mother wasn't.
Speaker 7 (40:10):
Because I'll be honest, I know, I know preference wise,
I don't care if you're light skin or dark skin,
because of course, obviously my mother was the first woman
that I loved, so I love black women, But that
is that the proto type woman that I would like.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
No, if it's so, sometimes it goes the opposite way.
Speaker 7 (40:30):
If that's not like in a woman, you won't even
like black women because I didn't even like how my
mother acted. Is sometimes it's a little bit more deep
rooted then I just I just like this. So yeah,
I think it could come from the home. I think
it could come.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
From school and children.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
I think it could come from the lifestyle.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
I think it can come from TV, television. I think
it's a lot of things attacking to separate.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
Oh okay, and answering that question, how much is this
is tied to colonialism or slavery or is it more
about modern media? Looks, go, here's here, that's we already
determined that it's been here.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
We can't even say modern media media is just making
it more. It's just in your face.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
It contains it, it repeats it.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
It's like it just you know what I'm saying, Like,
I feel like media's in your face, but it has
been here, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Mean, but medias aren't too right. So it's like there's
different ways. When we say media, that's a very general term.
You know, it's newspapers, it's comic books, it's the shows,
minstrel shows.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
You know, it shows up, it manifests.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
So this is just the expression of the ideas that
the expression of the discrimination or the ideas associated with
the discrimination. So we could say, uh, colonialism started it,
and media perpetuates it or keeps it going, keeps it alive,
gave so colonialism gave birth to.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
It, but colonia modern and slavery kept it going.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Started it, started it.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I'll say they started it right because it's like yeah,
because think about think about the culture, right, think about
the culture in which all this is happening.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Right. So you got these slaves which are not even.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Viewed as humans, and they have these features, right, and
these ideas are associated with these features, which instigates and
has this attitude projected upon it. That's your that's your
oppression right there, that's the attitude of oppression. You have
these ideas, the ideas match how you know these individuals
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on the outside are And.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
So there's this there's this distance. You don't even know
black people for real, you don't know black people.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
So it's like because I'm literally I'm literally me and
my handsters, we are tracking like we are tracking back
to because I'm okay, I'm not just thinking just about
like our community. I'm literally thinking across the world. You've
got like women in Africa who used harmful bleaching creams
to be lighter.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
You know what I'm saying. When I was in college.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
When I was in college, because.
Speaker 6 (43:27):
It's it's not but but the thing is that's it's
got a lot to do about media, because if you
think about it over in Africa, everybody looks like everybody
looks like.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Them, you know, So it wasn't even just colonialism.
Speaker 6 (43:39):
And every now and again you get like some white
people who come over there who might be missionaries to
give whatever.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
But what about that made them think that they were
supposed to look lighter?
Speaker 5 (43:49):
It was media? I did her.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
So I read this report. I did a different report,
but I read this report.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
It was called the Disney Girl when I was in college,
and it was literally about how like a lot of
different ethnic ethnic cultures, how they they thought that they
were beautiful and just like lovely and they had like
all of these different traits until they got modern media,
until the advent of TV and the advent of radio.
No TV and pictures, right, and photography, and like Samo
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and women, Samon and women are normally just thick, you know,
they're just thick, beautiful women. Right, But when they started
looking at TV, when they finally got like western TV
over in Samoa, Oh, then they were like, I think
I need to go on a diet.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
I think I need to make my skin life, you.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (44:37):
So it's about I'm like it was literally putting together.
It's the programming of media.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
And Western media is literally programming us to believe that
the lighter you.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Are, the more beautiful, more beautiful you are. Yeah, it's over.
It's over in in Asia, in India.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
And think about think about in your imagination, think about
their artwork. Right, most of the faces are what color,
they're this head, they look like ghosts. They look though,
whier the better, right, So you also got to the
point of the whitening creams, right, even though they're in Africa.
(45:20):
Those milk bass that the Greeks and the Romans used
to take now to keep them pure white. The Asians
they had like they use like turnlereck and rice powder.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, white.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
So colorism kind of pretty much predated racism, right, but
those ideas funneled into racism. Racism becomes institutionalized, and so
your colorism becomes the soft technology. It's soft technology, and
you can just develop the hard technology. So now we're
(45:55):
getting to an age where you can become transracial now, right,
because that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Now we've been looking I know you guys have been.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Looking at TikTok and you've been looking at how the Japanese,
the Japanese they can do the things that they can
do with hair. Now they can make black hair, right,
So transracial transhumanism, that's a bit, but that's gonna be
another topic, right, But just just laying the brick work. Okay,
you have the soft technology. It's very subtle, but it's
also in your face. And then you have these kids
(46:24):
that are being programmed with these ideals and they're perpetuating
them in their own way, and they're testing them out.
They're testing them out now yeah, you can have some
revolutionary yeah, because I mean, all of the ideas, even stereotypes,
they have to be tested out. They don't always work,
but the reason why we keep them going is because
at some point they work. Like, for example, again, Drake, okay, Drake,
(46:49):
we've been picking on this man since the grassy okay,
and the things that our community has been saying. Okay,
the things we have been saying. But then you look
as some of his behaviors and you see how it fits,
and you're like, see light skin behavior, right, and things
like that become real to you and we laugh about it, right,
(47:13):
we have fun with it. But the essence here is
it's an idea. These are ideas of colorism, and we
use them just like that. It be just like that
in conversation. Then it seeps into our dating preferences and
our marital preferences. It seeps into our beauty products. Who
(47:34):
are we marketing to, who are we marketing this product to.
Let's capitalize off of their colorism. Let's capitalize off of that,
Let's make money off of their suffering.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
So then I'm wondering when did it?
Speaker 6 (47:47):
When did it transcend being about your social status and
being about race, like when was the when was the switch?
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Because you talked about how.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's racism, that's racism.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
And again now the rest of the globe they were
still holding it down, they maintained.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Course.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
It was when America and it's racism and its flavor
of racism that took hold and then that kind of
amalgamated into what it is, a different beasts, a different monster,
different disease. And then it started to trickle out, you know,
you start to end up, and then you can industrialize it.
Speaker 6 (48:21):
Now, yeah, because then because then like you said, like
you know, like like Koreans they used to have like
the skin lightning things that used to pop up, you
know what I'm saying. But now it's transcended just how
much money you make and where's your status like in
your place of the world is now about whatever it
is that you're racist about. And that it just got
me thinking, like the American version of racism, Oh my god,
(48:44):
is as stupid and destructive as it was, Like just
how far it really went, you know what I'm saying,
Like it's a global epic, man, you just yeah, that
just blew my mind up.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
So you have to use.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
You have to understand that you use your color as
a tool, right, and you have to figure out how
to use that tool. Like it's crazy, but it's a
social construct, it's a thing, it's a thing. It's one
of the many interfaces that we use to interact with reality.
So if you have a lighter tone, then you're probably
gonna recognize Okay, this lighter tone affords me some privileges,
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but with this group though, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
With this group, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
So I probably need to stay away from that group
over there because the color doesn't work here like it
does over there. And so there's your social intelligence, because hey,
people are programmed, so you gotta figure out all right,
you know how deep is your programming?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
They gotta be a lot more job.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Yeah, wow, shit, everybody participates a video about how you
just only date white women. You're you're putting that out there.
You know, your preference is your preference. It doesn't need
to be known by everybody.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
Yeah, So if you're announcing your preference and means you're
scared of something underlying scard mm hm.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
The other Yeah, the other people feel bad because you're
not a part of their preference.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
So if they call you stupid, that means they think
they're stupid. They call you fat, they call you ugly.
Because happy people, I only hurt people. Hurt people. That's
what happens with colorism. If you're a happy person, you
love any and every play, because I know, I'm sure
I do. MM.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Families keep it alive if they have not become aware
of the little comments and jokes that they make amongst
because I used to be considered dark fader. That's like
saying it because I was. I was the darker skin
out of everybody. So yeah, families keeping alive. Yeah, if
they're not in social media. Man, you know, was just.
Speaker 6 (51:02):
Shaking my head. I grandma, my grandmother, God bless her
soul because she's not with anyone, not with us anymore.
But like how families perpetuated. I loved my grandma, But
my grandma was a piece of work, y'all. I'm talking
like a light skinned woman from the South, and everybody
in town. They lived in a really small Georgia town,
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and like the black community, they used to call a
white woman, that's what they used to call my grandmother.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
Because my grandmother was a piece of work.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
She was one of the original aka's baby like like
I'm talking, like she went to Tuskegee, you know what
I'm saying. Excuse me, Talladega graduated from Talladega.
Speaker 5 (51:40):
She was one of them originals.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
And if you weren't the paper bag test, did y'all
ever hear about the paper bag test? Yeah? I had
to educate some people about the paper bag test, you
know what I'm saying, because they did not know, Like,
excuse me, they do that in the black community. Yeah,
because we were trying to keep up with y'all asses,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (51:58):
And my grandmother she was staunch. Remember she did it
like on the slots of my kids, because my.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
Kids, all of my kids are they're you know, shade
Shade are a few lighter than me, right, So she
she did that to the sneak to my older son was.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
Like yeah, like giving me the approval, like yeah, like
he's gonna be fine. Yeah, she if he was darker.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Than her mm hmmm mmmmm.
Speaker 4 (52:19):
And my grandma she would just keep it going like
people in the family would keep it.
Speaker 5 (52:23):
Going, you know.
Speaker 6 (52:26):
I mean, she was like that she thought that she
thought that Obama was just like there was the wonder base.
She was like Michelle, she just too dark, she too
dark to be the first lady. I mean like, it
was crazy crazy, And that's where like, yeah, yeah, you're
right about the families keeping.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
It going.
Speaker 8 (52:45):
To and that's okay, okay, that's more light skin and
brown and dark skinned women.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
I'm not gonna say who said this, but I was.
We was at a family gathering and the lighter skinned
people was in the inside of the house. And when
I came in, somebody house out. Now you know the
field niggas supposed to be outside. They got jokes, they
it's in the family. And I looked at him. I said,
(53:21):
your lighter skin is a result.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
Of rate exactly, remember that.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
And they just stood there.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
I said, gotcha, all the trauma go right ahead. Yeah,
we're getting all the trauma tonight, happy family reunion. We're
gonna bing out.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Got them. I still love them. I silenced that ship, though.
Speaker 5 (53:50):
Look what can you do about it? What can you
what can you do?
Speaker 6 (53:54):
Yeah, okay, So preference, it's having a preference for lighter
skinned women really detrimental.
Speaker 5 (54:00):
If it's properly explained.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
You don't have to put darker skinned women down. That's
the thing. Have your preference. You don't have to put
the other group down. If I have a preference for
white men, I'm not gonna get on here and talk
about that day in and day out and say I
only date white men because black men ain't shit. You
don't have to explain that you don't. You can have
(54:25):
your preference. I like all men, tall, short, thick, skinny, light, dark.
I don't have a preference. Treat me well, shit, treat
me good. But I ain't even there yet, no more.
I ain't even there though. Some days I wake up
(54:47):
and tell myself, you know, I think I'm just gonna
be gay, like you know what. I don't want a husband.
I want to I'll get further along.
Speaker 4 (55:01):
Like I want to experience the black wife effect?
Speaker 3 (55:05):
Did I please have one? What where do I sign out?
Speaker 5 (55:11):
You better look at the statistics. You better look at
the statistics.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Break exam.
Speaker 7 (55:17):
When it comes to when it when it comes to
the woman on woman relationships, y'all bite mother for this
in the hot nineties, all right, that's true. And when
it comes to y'all in the hot nineties, yeah.
Speaker 5 (55:31):
High night, listen, A chance of working?
Speaker 6 (55:36):
Whoa they say, they say they was like sol my
lesbian friends, Hello, greeting my lesbian friends. They say, they'll say, hey,
you meet somebody in a week, Like you do that,
and then afterwards you're like, all right, Jesus, like it's done.
It's but we need somebody here for the for the
from the.
Speaker 5 (55:54):
L g B t Q community to speak on that.
So I'm just going to say heard, Yeah, I just know,
but I will tell you this.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
I'm like, I live in Washington State, and I figured
that myself.
Speaker 6 (56:06):
I'm like every everything up between the sun, you know
what I'm saying, Like up under the sun. It's like,
I don't know the chances of me potentially finding somebody
at first of all, at my healthy ass age and
then in Washington State somebody who is of the same race,
you know what I'm saying. I'm like, I don't know
if it'll happen. I don't know if it won't, but
I'm not closing myself off.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
To any opportunities.
Speaker 6 (56:28):
So I'm like, and I don't have any like preferences,
preferences because what I thought that I liked, I end
up not marrying, you know what I'm saying. Like my
ex husband was the complete antithesis of what of what
my preference was, I would want it no more. I
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don't even want it no more.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
I'm sorry. Please just pass me up, don't talk to me.
I stayed playing Jane and work out in these streets.
I don't even won't it anymore. I'm telling you, I'm dying.
Speaker 7 (57:04):
It's an amazing because the crazy point is I hear
a lot of women say like, why did he choose
to talk to me?
Speaker 5 (57:12):
And I look like this because God ain't.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
Made no mistake.
Speaker 7 (57:19):
That God ain't make no mistake. So the natural, the
natural is always going to be there. That's always because
God ain't make no mistake. So if you're telling me
that God did something wrong, you don't want it, ain't nothing.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Going to do with you.
Speaker 7 (57:32):
To begin when sleeping, you're trying to you're trying to
change what God made perfect.
Speaker 5 (57:39):
If you better than God, show.
Speaker 4 (57:41):
Me show me the way, show me the way.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Please.
Speaker 5 (57:46):
That's all I got to say about that. Oh I
love a black woman and un natural and that's when
I walk up on you.
Speaker 4 (57:54):
Wow, I don't make up.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
I don't think no no, no, no, no no no no.
Speaker 5 (58:00):
W just dropped.
Speaker 3 (58:01):
W just dropped a hellified comment. All the preference for lighter,
lighter or other women. I believe black men have never
seen black women as worthy to them for love a
better life.
Speaker 4 (58:17):
I mean, I think that that's a I mean.
Speaker 5 (58:21):
Giving on black love.
Speaker 3 (58:23):
Aw, we are in the same boat. The last portrayal
will be the last portrayal for me. That's sad though,
I feel like that's no, it's not that I've been married.
I've been married.
Speaker 7 (58:39):
That just comes what that that is, That is a
to be honest, it is a powerful statement, but that
comes from a place of hurts.
Speaker 5 (58:45):
So soon as you unwind that, then you'll have your answer.
There's nothing that I will be able to tell somebody.
Speaker 7 (58:52):
Like that unless they ask me the question, because I'm
not saying I know it all, but.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
I have that answer.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
But that is.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
We're just see I believe, I don't believe, So we're
just dealing with beliefs here. Beliefs are very powerful. Remember,
beliefs are very powerful. I mean, this is why colorism
is still here.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
Believe that is, I believe, even if.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
It's just like a crazy idea, to some degree, you
entertain it because at some level you believe, in some
level a little bit.
Speaker 4 (59:27):
It's funny.
Speaker 6 (59:29):
It's funny that that's the that is a belief, you know,
I've come to find it if I believe that black
men do not find me worthy, just like you said,
I kind of believe that that's something that within myself
that's telling me that I don't believe that I'm worthy
of love, you know, like, and that's my that's my
own thing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (59:49):
Like you're talking about it, baby, where did you come from?
Did you come from my TikTok page?
Speaker 2 (59:57):
Girl?
Speaker 3 (59:57):
Because you talking about a lot of it, man, Because
that's fast too much unaddressed trauma in the community. With
that being said, shout out to all the men who
were brave enough to come forward in Illinois about that
juvenile detention center where they had been brutally taken advantage
(01:00:20):
of for years. Oh wow, it was like six to
eight hundred men.
Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
We need we need more men coming out and talking
about their trauma. We need to heal from the inside. Baby.
Once we can do that, we will be fucking unstoppable.
Do you hear me?
Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
But that's yeah, yeah, we definitely go ahead.
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
I know, I know, y'all.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Lord, well no, no, but I mean there's more working
on it than but see, that's the thing about man.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
We don't like to broadcast our shit.
Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Okay, yes, we don't like to talk.
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
I mean that's on a lot of things. We don't
like to talk.
Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Like we'll talk, but it's the same space space, you know.
But also just in general, we don't like telegraphing our moves,
like you'll just find out that. Like, hey, you want
to know the play, well let's do a rewind, but
not before the play happens.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
We don't want to you know, like, yeah, it's good to.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Show it sometimes, like hey, join our group, you know,
share this all right, Hey we're doing this group on
Tuesday's virtual. I see a lot of that going on,
a lot of healings talking just and but it's also
there's been research behind this too. It's things like all right, hey,
what's the language, because you can't really heal until you
(01:01:43):
understand the language of healing.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Too.
Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
There's certain things you can't say, there's certain ideas you
got to root out, and that's all tied into your language,
your thought process.
Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
So it's happening, it's just it's happening quietly.
Speaker 7 (01:01:55):
I gotta pig up that because honestly, I wouldn't think
the way I think or be the man that I
am if I didn't have me and like John seeing
themselves in me, people like Dion seeing themselves in me
to say, hey brother, listen, oh hey, you're saying like a.
Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Good dude, I'm gonna show you this.
Speaker 7 (01:02:12):
They put a jewel down, and if I pick it
up and put it in my bag, they still teach
me more.
Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
I don't see that.
Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
I don't see that.
Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
When it comes to our women, I see I see
an are women.
Speaker 7 (01:02:22):
The older women are competing with those younger women, so
they don't they don't pass that knowledge too much. Most women,
most women that's knowledgeable, get their knowledge from men. That's
just how that's that's just what I said.
Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Wow, Okay, because I don't. I don't. I don't have
any younger people in my tribe. I don't. Not okay,
not yet, not yet.
Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
It's gonna happen with you though I can see it.
It's absolutely not a whole lot. It's just gonna be
like you know, you got like three two something. It's
for you. It's gonna be like that.
Speaker 7 (01:03:01):
But that's what I've seen personally or anecdotally in my experience.
Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
It's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
It's a hard subject.
Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
I know that just puts tears. I can't even say it.
I am the statistic being unmarried, childless, unable to birth children,
dark skin, never been asked to be married. It feels
like a purse sometimes. Wow.
Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
God, it's such a way that you look at the
world sometimes.
Speaker 7 (01:03:36):
But just like John said, those beliefs are so strong,
but whenever they choose to believe in something different, you'll
be surprised at how your world changes.
Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Okay, but you have to commit to it though. That's
the thing. You have to commit to the idea, whatever
it is. You have to commit to it. You can't
just say one time and think, you know, the universe
is sort of like a copy machine. So all right,
are you sure because I'm about to send this No no, no, no, no,
(01:04:05):
I didn't mean I was just you know, that was
just impulse. Oh okay, you better you better affirm it
again and affirm it again. Like you have to commit
to the ideas, so it can't be shallow. You can't
just like you gotta commit.
Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
I just wanted to I just wanted the hold space
for for for W's comment. But I mean just because
of the fact that I think that I have been
married and I do have kids, right, And like I
said before, I am I am a brown skin chick.
So I kind of I feel like I kind of
like split down the middle, right, But I definitely resonate
(01:04:43):
with with what they will saying, you know what I'm saying,
and you know, feeling like like they're a statistic, like
they're you know what I'm saying, like from the things
from the evidence. Remember I was speaking before, like sometimes
you know, like with my brain, if I don't see
the evidence of things, I can't it's hard to it's
hard to look away from the mirror to try to
(01:05:05):
look at something that's different because it's like, but this
is the evidence, and I believe that the evidentials that
I like, I haven't seen anything that's different to pull
me away from the evidential to make me think something different. Yeah,
say what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, because
it's like if you I mean, you'll get somebody, you'll
also get some light skin women, let's just say, from
(01:05:26):
light skinned women who will be like, well, I've never
got more and I've never you know, like like nobody
and nobody has, you know, like they'll look at it
because I am black, Like not even because.
Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
That they are lighter skin, but but because they are black.
Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
They feel like like those are the things that are
coming to them because they don't see any evidence of
anything different. Right, So I just want to behave to
hold space for that, Okay, all right, And and if
you don't get I mean, oh I'm sorry, let me
bring that.
Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Let me go ahead and bring that up.
Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
And I'm I'm perfectly fine with you know, that's fine,
and we can disagree. And I mean, if you have
a different you know there's something that's different that pops
up for you. I mean, hey, let us know, you know,
I mean, this is all the show about learning. Go
ahead every day you look you had, then I.
Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Do because I I understand how I feel right now.
And I've been here before. Okay, me and John talked
about this years ago. You feel this way now. Just
like Sherman said, the way that you're talking is coming
from a place of hurt. And everyone on this podcast
(01:06:34):
knows that I am still healing from that last situation
that I was in and it's going to take some time.
So right, now I've cut myself off from even thinking
about being involved with anybody else until I can get
over this hume, and then maybe things will be different.
Every situation is different. So for you, Miss W, I'll
(01:06:56):
just put out good vibes on bloom. Yeah, that's that's it.
I'll put out good vibes.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Yeah, it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
Yeah. You know, it's funny. I've been.
Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
So me and Renee excuse me.
Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
We got leveled.
Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Everybody call me to day just kind of it's her
name Rene, Rene, Rene, Just it don't matter. I'm good.
Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Just one second, just might be small. Okay, going back
to Miss W. What we're doing here is healing in
front of everybody that that's that's what this is. That's
what this is.
Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
This is therapy.
Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
So we may not be one hundred percent correct, we
may not be one hundred percent right. We're not both.
It's always great to talk.
Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
Through things because I can learn from you and seeing
what you're saying. But if I already understand that it's
coming from her, that it'll probably be nothing that I
can do for you. What we're doing is what we're
always aiming to do, is help. What we're always aiming
to do is heal, and what we're always aiming to
do is learn. So it's we we can agree to
(01:08:12):
disagree sometimes, but we can always come for a comic.
Well that's all.
Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
I thank you, Sherviy.
Speaker 6 (01:08:19):
I was getting ready to say address me the whole time,
like we are healing in real time. So I'm gonna
go ahead, go ahead and put it out there. For
the last I have been healing from a situation situations
as well.
Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
And y'all all know I've been on my man's yet
for the last you know.
Speaker 6 (01:08:35):
Years, A right, Yeah, So I was I was literally
just thinking about some times like this is just a
space y'all. Also, and I'm a little bit of an
astrology nerd, and uh, this is just the time and
the space for I'm realizing in my life for energy
is to change.
Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Right.
Speaker 6 (01:08:49):
So because of the fact that I realized that it's
time for energy to change, I have been gathering evidence.
I started today on a fact fact seeking mension to
gather the evidence that men are not what I am
accustomed to.
Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
You know what I'm saying, men are not the like, the.
Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
The the Besides the fact that I have the I
have the evidence from these men.
Speaker 5 (01:09:14):
Who are in front of me.
Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
You know what I'm saying, because we've had conversations, like
in all of those types of things, I I understand
that these guys are not They're not They're not the exception,
you know what I'm saying, And in most cases they're
actually more of the rule than I considered.
Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
And oh, oh okay, so I'm gonna bring it, go
ahead and bring that up.
Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
But I was saying, oh, oh okay, okay, all right,
all right, that's what's up. So I was disagreeing with
the guy that said women get their information about men
from older women.
Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
Heard They're wrong.
Speaker 7 (01:09:49):
I get women get their most enlightened women that I
know in my life get their information from older men,
not older women. Older women. See, I'm the women's competition.
So the same forty year old is competing with the
same with the with the twenty year old for that
thirty year old man. I've seen that a lot because
(01:10:10):
just like and I got.
Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
That understanding from talking about, like, man, what is makeup?
Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
Because makeup ain't for us since you used to compete
with other women to say I'm pretty or I'm better
than she did.
Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
It's funny because when sometimes when you get a little
bit older, you got to realize he's makeup, Like right now,
I just have all my lipstick, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
But I don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
The older that I get, the more I'm just like,
I'm not even trying to wear this shit because it's
just like it's hot.
Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Is in the running every place.
Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
I don't want to do that.
Speaker 6 (01:10:40):
But you know what I'm saying, unless I'm going somewhere
like this special. But I hear what you're saying, and
I never really, man, I guess that older women who
are unenlightened, unenlightened are competing with younger women.
Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
But you know, and he's not generalizing by the way.
Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
You know, he's just saying men that.
Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
He knows.
Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
We ain't over here competing with they.
Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
They don't speak like they don't speak like that. Y'all,
y'all would be the exception to the rule.
Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (01:11:13):
You try to look try to look at things from
a perspective, but y'all trying to look at things from
Let me put myself in their shoes.
Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
I see healing, I see I said, of course, I
see pain.
Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Too.
Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
But at the same time, I see progression and how
do you to speak as opposed to the stuff that
I was thinking, you know, encountering and stuff like that.
I came up in the ghetto, so of course I'm
seeing nothing further. Just it wasn't a good energy being
put out.
Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
It wasn't nothing to school, but venom the time when
I heard them talking about men or women. So that's
that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Hey, that's a that's a bar right there.
Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
Depending on the area you come from, someone can get
the information about men from watching broken couples in the home.
Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
Man, And that's the download.
Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah, colorism that's where it comes from.
Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
It comes from you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:12:11):
It comes from social learning. It comes from that download.
It comes from watching broken people raise broken people, you know,
without understanding, Yeah, without an understanding that this kid who's
watching you do broken ship has their own autonomy because
what do we do back in the day.
Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
Oh my gosh, man, this really comes from slavery back
in the day.
Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
It's like we used to teach our kids you have
to listen to exactly what I say or else you're
gonna be dead, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
So it's like you you grow up living for survival
and it's like all that brokenness, but can continues to
perpetuate that brokenness.
Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
That's a whole, entire different show.
Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
So it really is because I'm sitting there trying to
figure out how I can break this off and spind
it because it's getting really good. Also, having learned men
from your own with unavailable.
Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
Physical Yeah, it's amazing, because it's amazing.
Speaker 7 (01:13:06):
It's amazing that most black people that I've encountered in
my life have the same story about what not to do,
but they have never seen an example of what to do.
It's hard to see that. It's hard to see what
love is when you do not know what it is.
But you know chaos, you no distress, you know hurt,
you no pain, or it's very valid you you can
(01:13:28):
you can see it just like that. It's almost like
a second sense. You know, you know chaos and pain
like the back of your hand, but you do not
know what love is. And then you go out in
the world and you try to find somebody and what.
Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Do you do.
Speaker 7 (01:13:40):
Nine times out of ten you're going to only destroy
them or they're going to destroy you.
Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
What love is.
Speaker 7 (01:13:48):
You have to because without it, the only thing that
you can produce is destruction. That's all you have to offer,
no matter how you put it, that's the only thing
that you can an offer.
Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
Mm hmm. You gotta out and you gotta heal from it.
You gotta and you're gonna have to learn.
Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
You're gonna have to take some boosteps and some of
it hits some boots and all that kind of good
stuff along the way, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
So I just wanted to just point to this question.
Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
Because we started off talking about colorism.
Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
We gotta you know, we always go.
Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
We are an hour in fourteen minutes.
Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
I just want to answer this question. Can we cancel it?
Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
We can?
Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
We can, but we won't. We can, but we won't.
Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
We want to move on with something now. Well, we
had to answer the question.
Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
No, go ahead, because I'm like, can we is it?
I think you're asking can.
Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
We cancel it?
Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
Or should I'm thinking like should we or can we?
You know, because we should cancel it. We should cancel it.
But who is really going to take the time to
try to do that. It's an individual that's I think
that that's an individual thing.
Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, that's working on you
and your own traumas.
Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:15:13):
And when she when she started working on you and
your own trauma, it's like, you've gotta start to change
your mind.
Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
Let me speak about myself.
Speaker 6 (01:15:19):
When I started working on my trauma, I addressed I'm
addressing everything.
Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
I asked questions about everything.
Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
You know what I'm saying about all of my so
called preferences, about my so called poliefs, about all the
things that I thought that was in this original download
that I don't need anymore taking shit out of my
fridge to put fresh food in. You understand what I'm saying, Like, Yeah,
I'm questioning everything. So I think it's a personal thing.
Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Yeah, I mean, ultimately, if you want to be especially
if you're you're black, you know, and you're down for
the cause, especially if you're black and your tail for
the cause, Hey, why wouldn't you check that? Why wouldn't
you check that at the door you about to engage
with your peoples, and why wouldn't you I just you
don't want to give them royal treatment. But you're down
for the cause, But you don't want to check that part.
(01:16:08):
That's a very important part, Like you can't be social
with the black folks, but you're kind of just like, yeah,
I'm gonna deal with these black folks, but not these
black folks because these black folks.
Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Are darker, and like that's the best you could do.
That's the best you could do for the resistance.
Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
I can't, Hey at this color right here, This is
where I stop. I'm black, but up to this part
right here, I gotta stop. I just I'm not at
peak blackness, Oberhud. I'm dealing with paper bagg.
Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
So, I mean, you know, I know that there's some
black folks out there that's like, yeah, I'm a color, yeah,
as long as I'm not a racist. But it's like
damn yeah you kind of yeah, you said that out loud,
so you know, you forget that there's us versus the
mentality going on here. I mean, are you for the
culture and not to say that right there to get
your cap bad like vanished from the black community. I mean,
(01:17:13):
I feel like we need to do that sometimes just
to check some people. I mean, but it's this is
a dream. It's an ideal, right, It's an ideal. So
I'm just saying, if you just want to be a
good or just a better human being, check your thoughts
of discrimination, check your thoughts on justript like why do
(01:17:34):
I like him?
Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Just because the eyes are kind of.
Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Like grayish, but he's like high yellow, And that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
That's it. That's where you stop.
Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
I mean, that's objectification.
Speaker 7 (01:17:48):
And then then if you want to because that's a
that's definitely a step. But they'll take another step and check.
Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Who you are in the world.
Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
H check who you are.
Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Just figure that out.
Speaker 7 (01:18:01):
You taking steps forward because the more steps that you
take forward, the light of your words.
Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
Will be and the more your words will hit mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
It's not always about you, is that always?
Speaker 7 (01:18:17):
That's the ego?
Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Sharan, what you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
We can't get everybody, oh, go ahead, So I.
Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Just give it out the gyms that I've been given
us all. It's about to go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
I mean we should, yeah, we should cancel it. But
we all have to agree. We all have to agree
that hey, yo, this ship funked up. We all gotta agree.
And it can't be again, it's a commitment. It can't
be like yeah, because we all we have a habit
of doing that. Yeah, we agree, and then next Sunday
they're like, man, there's some light skin.
Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Ship right here. I tell you all, my oh yeah,
my bad. We were supposed to do the thing. My bad,
my bad.
Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
I'm gonna get right, y'all, gonna get it right. And
then we played too much and then it never happens.
Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
Yeah, that's not what we're doing. That's not about and.
Speaker 7 (01:19:07):
Just just real real quick for me to find out
because I honestly needed a little manuscript. I needed a
bluepress the book I read eighty five ten five. That's
that's kind of what showed me who I.
Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Was in the world.
Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
And I definitely wanted to be a.
Speaker 7 (01:19:23):
Five percent and out of ten. I'm not an eighty
five who never wanted to be either one of those.
I wanted to honestly be some type of four teachers,
somebody that can give something. Yeah, because if I'm giving
something and I'm serving somebody, I'm doing something right.
Speaker 9 (01:19:36):
You're here, That's how I feel about it. You're here, absolutely,
and I'm grateful to be here. Yeah, And I'm gonna
make sure that I'm.
Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
Here every god damn team that every chance I get get.
Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
You know what, I'm gonna buy that and sent it
to John look DJ mix. Yeah, oh oh my god. Okay,
we are coming up on an hour in twenty minutes.
(01:20:17):
This is really towards the end. Has become a great
freaking show. I want to thank w for coming on
with all of your comments. It needs to do you
positive energy, Marcus, I see that you stepped into the building.
Thank you so much. I want to thank my panel.
I want to thank John, Ivy Sherman with your accolades. Yeah, yes,
(01:20:49):
you know. I want to thank everyone who jumped in
on Tonight's Live. Tonight's Live. This has been things that
people don't want to talk about, and we're going to continue.
Well next month it's March.
Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
Oh come back, went back, come.
Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
You just got to get everybody to believe it. Everybody
don't believe it, everybody.
Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
And that's why we hear Tuesday, W. That's why we
hear every Tuesday to.
Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Talk to.
Speaker 7 (01:21:28):
Passing down from generation to generation. That's why they say
all your kids are runs in the family. Know you're
eating habits, running the family.
Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Oh ship, All right, now, I know you know for
black history, well, you know Ivy talked about we should
talk about the things that are hindering us going forward
(01:21:59):
in March. Should talk about things that that we can
move on.
Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (01:22:04):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Okay, how do y'all think about that?
Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
I love that?
Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
Okay. Let's talk about what can we do with this turn,
with this turn in American history?
Speaker 6 (01:22:18):
Y'all, y'all don't have man, Okay, I'm shutting up.
Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
I'm going on you.
Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
All right, We're gonna get into our think tanks and
figure out what kind of topics we're gonna have for
the month of March. Thank you to everyone who jumped
in on Tonight's Live, and we will see you all
back here Tuesday. John, you got me
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