Do you believe that man was actually created first?

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Peace?

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Peace.

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Peace, That's what's up. That's what's up.

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some things without further ado. Let's go ahead and hit
on our topic tonight.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
So let's just go straight into it.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
But do you believe that man was actually created?

Speaker 1 (07:09):
First?

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Can you give this some background? Okay, give this some background,
like to tell.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
What we get started, Like, why did I want to
talk about this, the back and forth between men and women,
gender wars, the gender wars, A man is doing this
and a A I kind of try to keep mine
my complaints, you know, specifically to what I have experienced

(07:38):
and not putting all men in that category. Because I
can't do that. I'm surrounded by good men. Two of
them are right here on this show, John and King
new Woren, So I can't put all men in there.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
I just think it's a.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
Topic that we should we should talk about who was
created first? Is that the reason why a lot of
men feel entitled? And I'm not speaking for all men.
Oh lord, gender wars about who's good?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
That was?

Speaker 4 (08:13):
That was good? That was good, But that was the
reason for the show. It was. It's a lot of
back and forth.

Speaker 6 (08:20):
And I felt like the reason for the Red Peel community,
you know, and this is just my my opinion that
you know, they feel entitled because there's a book out
there that told them that they was created first. So
you know, I'm first and a woman that is supposed
to submit to me who I'm stick word, that's a

(08:47):
very strong word. And John Garrid of it, what did you?
What did you exchange it out with? John?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Cooperation? But again the word in and of itself.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
People are attributing the wrong type of energy to submission.
Leaders submit to leaders, submit to followers, submit to leaders.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
And what the heck?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
And look, there is an objective that requires a team effort.
You have somebody leading the team. Somebody is leading the team.
Whoever's leading the team is serving the team, but the
team is being led by somebody, So everybody got to
do their part for the leader. You're submit that submission,

(09:35):
you're cooperating to make something happen.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Look, it was an interesting topic. It's very interesting topic.
Because one, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
I don't believe Neil was created. First, I just know,
I just I'm sorry that book. Third, because I have
too many questions regarding that book. You know the fact
that no women are actually the authors of any book
inside of that book, you know, I just when I

(10:17):
look at it. In the science, you know, all children
in the wombs starts off as female. Men are nothing
more than a mutation of a woman.

Speaker 8 (10:29):
I said it the God.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Why you are mutations?

Speaker 6 (10:37):
Why you ain't got no use for these nipples? No use,
no use for them nipples. You have no use of
those nipples.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
You was created in my image? Okay, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
And even though wait wait wait wait, even though it shouldn't.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Be a big deal, who was I was rooting for you?

Speaker 1 (11:12):
This is my opinion.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
Everybody's entitled to their own opinion about you know, the
beginning of life, the creation.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
You know, I just feel like it should be said
that we.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
Were both created at the same time, so certain people
wouldn't feel entitled as that I was here first and
you were here second, and.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
You was.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
The beginning of that. Let me just take it back.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
I don't understand how I can come from a man's rib,
but every child.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Comes from a womb of a woman.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
Afterwards, they lost me there, you lost me. There, they
lost me there. I'm sorry they lost me. So no,
I don't believe that men were created first. Sorry, I
probably never will.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Does anybody want to touch on it?

Speaker 5 (12:21):
I just want to go back to Okay, I'm gonna
bring it back up where to go because Virgini, Virginia
touched on it. To submit is not subservient. The word
is not bad. I'm not gonna lie. I will tell
the truth about my damn self. I have a problem
with the word submit, you know what I'm saying, just

(12:43):
because of the way that I saw, the way that
it played out in my upbringing, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
So I personally have a problem with that word.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
However, when when John, you know, like kind of brought
kind of broke it down and was like, it's not
necessarily about like like it's like the word is very loaded,
just like in historical context itself. Right, But if you
think about like you just said, John, leaders have to submit, right,
and and it's really about cooperative trust, right, It's really

(13:13):
about how can you trust another person to.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Be the leader of the ship. Right, And I'm like,
I can get down with that.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
My issue is is that some people don't know how
to lead the ship.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
And I'm gonna go on mute.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
That's understandable.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
That's that's it right there. Stop asking when you don't
even know what direction you're going in. You don't even
know where you're leading them, You have no clue where
you're doing yourself. And I just feel like that's that's
ego driven. A man that wants a woman to submit
to him, he does he has no.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Self control over himself, so he needs something to control
over or control take control of. That's just my say.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
You may oh, you may not like it, you may
not like it, but when you are so Dan said
on having a woman that's going to listen and do
as you say, that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
So somebody asked a question.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
Submit was the English translation from another language.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
What language was it, because if you really want to talk.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
About it, we can go back to that what is
it called Aramaic that was in the Bible, So it
was translated from Aramaic.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Right, which was like the beginning language.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
So really it's just like the word fear almost to me,
it's like in the Bible they tell you you're supposed to fear,
You're supposed to fear a loving God. But I'm like,
do you fear something or someone that you love? Can
that exist in the same space? And I'm just like,
that's almost antithical to human nature? But then that's that

(14:58):
is a theological question, and that's not necessarily.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Let's take let's pause for a moment and let's just
remember something.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
All right, as we're digesting this.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Let's remember the big consciousness here is we are talking
about an idea, a religious idea, a religious.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Religious religious religious.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Okay, we are talking about a religious idea here. So
this idea, this idea is supposed to have a certain
type of function.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Right, Where where does this idea really take hold? What
are we what are we dealing with here?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
We're talking about marriage, right, this idea here, we're talking
about marriage we're talking about the rules of marriage, right,
the dynamics? Hey, how is this supposed to happen? You
know what? What the what are the functions?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
You know? What are the descriptors?

Speaker 3 (15:59):
This is an a texts, an ancient idea that we're
still trying to resurrect in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Okay, time, time.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Is a factor here when we're talking about this idea.
Time is a factor here? Does it mean the same?
Are we talking about the same thing when we're talking
about submit? Are we talking about the same thing?

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Not that we can.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
What was marriage back back then? Let's just take a
moment look at marriage back then? Okay, how far back
we going again?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
When this was written?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
When this was written, what was the idea of marriage?

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Imagine that?

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Okay, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Here, so let's take that idea. And here we are
in twenty twenty five trying to take that idea and
put it here. And so we have that problem. We're
taking a very ancient idea and we're trying to modernize it.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
That's hard.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
It is because it requires a twenty twenty five perspective,
a twenty twenty five language. It also, if you think
about it, it takes a twenty twenty five twenty twenty
five space for open intermination, which means that it's being like,
if you think about that word, about that word submission,

(17:32):
and if you think about like the idea that you're
pretty much run it through. You're running that through the
gamut of a cooperation between two separate individuals and what
they deem submission of being you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
So that's kind of interesting.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
Take out the word submission and just put coo.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
But again, let's just be fair here. Okay, let's be
fair here.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
I'm highlighting the times because there was a different consciousness
that produced that idea. Okay, there was a different consciousness
back then. Women didn't have the same power that they
have today. So when you think about that idea, about
that submission in a marriage, that marriage looked different back then. Okay,

(18:27):
it did not look like like there's a lot more
liberty when we marry these days.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
There's different assets.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
So again, this is why I say, you know, this
is very key right here, we're trying to take this idea.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
And we're trying to modernize it and we're struggling. We're struggling.

Speaker 6 (18:48):
Are you familiar with the queen mother. Have you ever
heard the term the queen mother? The queen mother over
in there, because she was the one that passed now
the inheritance. She is the one that crowned the king
king just with a little bit of reading a little bit.

(19:10):
When it came to to women and having a voice,
we had more of a voice than than we than
we had to work for over here, if that makes
any sense. Before we were governing under their laws, we
had our our own way of living. Prior to coming

(19:31):
over here, the woman was held in high regard.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
She wasn't.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
She was looked at as an equal versus someone that, oh,
you have to submit to me. So that so when
you talk about marriage, you have to go back to
to that what we were doing over.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Here that was not allowed.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
I mean, if you really want to go there with
there are so many things that we have lost that
we have lost just because of the fact that we
came from Africa as chattel over here to the United
States and we were like the things that we learned
were based on European institutions and we're based off of
African institutions. So there's so many things that that are

(20:25):
that's the reason why I'm saying. I'm like, when it
comes to modern day relationships, there less the interpretation and
the interpretations are varied, and I think that what happens
is because of because of the individual ego. That's where
these ideas get kind of misconscrewed and just kind of
you know, scrunched up, you know what I mean, Because

(20:49):
I mean, let's go ahead and keep it a buck man.
Everybody's got a fucking ego, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Everybody, And it's like, have you have you got to
your ego yet?

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Or maybe maybe not, but at the end of the
and at the end of the day, it's like you
have to like let go of that ego in order
to kind of be in a relationship, because relationships are
there not to make you happy. They're there to make
you conscious and to push you to your highest being.
They're there to, you know, to shape you into the
person that you're supposed to be. But I would be

(21:16):
I will digress and I'll be quiet and put myself
on mute yet again.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
All right, let's go ahead and wrap this up. And
then I gotta I got like maybe a handful of
questions that.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
I don't know where we're going with this.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
I just want it's okay, King, do you.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Believe that man was actually created? First?

Speaker 7 (21:42):
Hm hmm. First and foremost. I don't even deal with.

Speaker 9 (21:46):
The word believe.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
It's the story through, okay.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
H m hm. Simply put the way John expressed it,
to make the argument, to make the argument who was
made the first?

Speaker 2 (22:07):
What's irrelevant currently right now?

Speaker 8 (22:10):
You don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
I don't like ms.

Speaker 7 (22:14):
Tanner said, you too basy trying to do the ego
thing and trying to lead, whether it's a man or woman,
you're trying to lead, trying to lead in an argument,
trying to lead into debate, trying to lead in the
perspective which technically you can't even prove. So since you
can't prove it, it's not even worth having an argument
about or discussion. But there's no disrespecting nobody, as god

(22:38):
Lovel said, is my perspective, because after you finished saying
all that, you're not even understanding what commitment, responsibility, or
accountability that you're putting on yourself by saying that you
was first.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
You gotta take you gotta take a look at that.
By saying that she was first, I was created first
or there board everything that should go through me and
all this other. Okay, all right, well if that's the case,
then why things the way they are right now as a.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Man are in control?

Speaker 7 (23:11):
I mean, I want to say this little more. I'm
not gonna say you lying, because you're your truth, your truth,
Skywalker truth, Tanner truth, and me and King Newborn truth.
We all have my truth and all our truth exists
at the same time through our experiences in life. One

(23:31):
doesn't denote the other. So whether even if I said, well,
you know, man was made first, like John said, that's
basically going off something that was printed sixteen or one.
But that's another conversation for another situation. Furthermore, even if
that's the case, and that's my perspective where I'm coming from, Basically,

(23:54):
I'm basically saying because of that, I should be able
to have dominion or everything that is in my universe.
And as we see, it's a system on the system
on the system on the system. So whether you was
created first or not, you still don't even have control.
We can, we can have this whole conversation over and
over and no, you still have no control. If you
have control, like that. You was created first. You were

(24:15):
the first teacher, the first start, the first consciousness. Why
are we in the situation we're in right now?

Speaker 4 (24:21):
That's a very good question. Why are we in the
situation that we're in right now?

Speaker 2 (24:27):
That means that means responsibility.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
Yeah, that was bars bro, because at the end of
the day, that's the thing, no matter who was created person,
what what does that mean? Okay, where are we at
now and what can we do?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
What?

Speaker 5 (24:49):
Where can we recognize what needs work and what needs
change at this moment?

Speaker 1 (24:53):
That's that's our body.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Both sides. Well, I'm not denying that both sides, both sides.
I think the Bible. Men need a lot of work.
Women need a lot of work.

Speaker 6 (25:07):
We've been turning each other down for the last what
past twenty five thirty years if not more.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
It just needs to be like a pause, just to stop,
to stop. That's it.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Yeah, jed Hi, you are appreciate.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
High, You are appreciated. When was making how many years ago?

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Whom you care? Who came with creating?

Speaker 6 (25:36):
We're talking about the beginning of time. I've always had
issues with the Bible.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
I always had issues with the Bible, even reading it
as a child, you know, learning about Adam and Eve,
learning that you know, so called Eves ate the apple,
did never specify what truth it was, and to look
in the mirror and to realize that because of what
she did is the reason why the soul called world

(26:07):
is worse that today. So someone that looks like me
was the reason we are here because she didn't listen.
And I'm like, a damn, that's a lot to take
on as a little girl growing up, and then you
are told that you are supposed to listen or submit

(26:29):
to a man, especially when it comes to marriage. And
it's like, I just have I've always had questions and
I probably always will because.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
When it comes to that book, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Who is that. That's so true?

Speaker 5 (26:51):
Man, Well, okay, so I'll actually I'll actually pick back
off of that and say I always had questions, not
necessarily in the book, but how a fly like John said,
how is it interpreted for us? And you know I'm old,
so nineteen ninety and then two thousand and one, and

(27:11):
then twenty twelve, and now in twenty twenty five, you
know what I'm saying, like, how is that.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Being a plot you know. So, yeah, I've always had
I've always had issues there. Yeah, just because of the fact.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Yeah, because just like you said, it's like when when
we were raised as women, hearing that because of because
of because of me, he broke down everything. Yeah, it's
like it makes you think, yeah, it makes you a woman,
like you automatically think your jacked up.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
You don't have mine.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
And that's where they lost me at Like I felt
so bad reading that, like that, it's my fault. Like
I wish I could go back and take the apple
or whatever the hell she ate out of hand.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
Cut that apple there, cut it out, and you don't
even know if it was an apple.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
It never specified it was an apple. It just said
of the free or whatever.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
It's just and we put our own spin on it
since then, so really we really don't know. And you know,
and it's left up to your own interpretation. So when
I see, come, let us make man in our image
to me, that specifies more than one person.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
So and you you lost me again.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
When you have two male principles, that's creating another male principle.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
And I'm just like now that you losing me right there.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
And whereas the women are in the Bible, But why
are there no books.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
In the Bible that was written by women in there?

Speaker 6 (28:58):
Why would they have to be considered the lost books
of the Biden. If you want to put that out,
then put all of it out, put everything out as
a whole.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Well, but I mean, you know, the history is there, right, Yeah,
the history is there, and so there's a little bit
of compassion there if you ask me, there's a little
bit of compassion to be given that when you look
at the actual truth and the history of it all,

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you have to ask yourself, how do I renegotiate with this?

Speaker 6 (29:32):
Now?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
The relationship with this is different for me.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
And a lot of the times when we feel betrayed
in any relationship, we only emphasize the betrayal. We don't
even keep the good parts. We don't keep the good parts.
Don't get rid of the whole thing. The whole thing
didn't happen. I got to deny the whole relationship.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
What you could do.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Discovering the history behind it, the true history behind it,
is you saying, Okay, I like these parts, I'm gonna
keep these parts.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
The rest of it, I'm getting rid of stories. We
do that with a lot of things.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
Yeah, So you gotta, you gotta, you gotta consider that
what we're dealing with here is a belief system.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
This is a technology, and we're doing the best that
we can with it. And some people just say, you
know what, I'm getting rid of it altogether. Some people
they hold on to it and they make their own
modifications without saying nothing and not knowing that they make
their own modifications. But for the most part, everyone has
the responsibility. Everyone has the responsibility of how they convey

(30:51):
those beliefs. How do you communicate those beliefs in your reality.
You're the one that's channeling it, you're the one that's
expressing it, you're the one that's defending it.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
So what do you what? How is it?

Speaker 3 (31:05):
How is it enhancing or destroying your relationships? You know,
those kind of beliefs. Man, again, this is why we
have our patriarchy.

Speaker 6 (31:18):
Mm hmm. I didn't answer his question, Jen, No, this
question right here? Yep, No, okay, not at all. Not
when you can have a room full of men discussing.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Without women any other point, any other point in his men.

Speaker 6 (31:43):
And women are more equal now than any other point
in human history. I wasn't there. I wasn't there. I
can only tell you what I've read.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Ooh, that's a good point. That's a good point. I
don't think men and evil men and women are more
equal now.

Speaker 8 (32:08):
I think it.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
Appears that way because of what they allowed to be
written in a history book.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
You know. I mean when it, when it comes down
to it, let's keep that a buck man, because we
really don't know. There's so much. There's so much that.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
Has been struck that's been struck from from history records
in yes.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, when you even when you think about it from
a from a cultural perspective, we are just now seeing
more female feminine heroines, you know, women of industry, like
just kind of being uncovered and like, oh hey look we.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Found a gym right here. It's like every year.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
Yeah, yeah, I believe that.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
And it depends on what culture you're in, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
But I'm gonna answer this question, how do the belief
in the privacy of man over woman shape individual identities
and relationships? I believe the answer to that question kind
of goes back to, you know, to what to what
Jim was saying, He was like, hey, are we more
equal now than we have been in human history. And

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the thing is is that, like there's no record of that.
But if you think about it, if if we have
people who are healthy enough to take in other other
other modes of thought, other other avenues of thought, if
they're open enough, you know what I'm saying. I mean,
then then if that's the point, then I think that

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it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
You know, you have you have some people who believe. Okay,
like you, just like you said before, a god level.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Okay, man was man was first and the woman was
wicked because she brought this day. I'm apple in here,
so you got to do everything it is that I.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Say, yes, thank you.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
But the thing is that by food's perspective, are we
going and are you open to actually seeing other perspectives?

Speaker 1 (34:09):
You know? Yeah, I mean, and I think.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
That that's what I think that that's what really happens. Yeah,
that's what it is. Or you yeah, and look, and
that's that's for men and women alike. Because I always
say for myself, I'm gonna keep my side of the
street clean, you know what I'm saying. I also realized
that more than one thing can be true at the

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same time, like I can you know, I can say that, Okay,
in my last relationship.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, it was some buckery going on, but.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
They did some things right, you know what I'm saying.
They did some things that were They did some things
that were that were acknowledgeable and to hold on to that,
and that's the way that she creates balance. The problem
is is that man with the problem with both the
problem with saying that that women came first, that men
came first.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
It all sets up for.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
A relationship to be unbalanced, you know what I'm saying.
It all like sets things up to just be so
unbalanced and with everything. Man, I just think that you
gotta find balance in it. That's relationships, that's that's relationship
with self you know as well.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
So yeah, let's shut up again.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
Now she just said it where they just said it.
She just said it, and Daman just said it. Prior
to me and women were creating equal It didn't change
into Roman ideology and what they say about Rome never died.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
It just morphed into religion. That's it became the church.
I'm just, oh, oh, who is this guy?

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yo? I did not know, but she didn't call it.
I think you call it and talk some stuff.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, three two four seven nine nineties ago three five.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Jed high call it. I'm serious.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
Oh my gosh, what's the sital structures and cultural noes?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah, can you call in who wants to talk about?

Speaker 6 (36:13):
The number is posted eight three two four seven nine
nine zero three five.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
I would love.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, man, you are not kidding out. I'm like, you
know you talk about countries like Korea and Korea right now?
That okay, either it's four men.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Now wait a minute, because I don't want to be.

Speaker 6 (36:34):
I was just getting ready to say that are they
not doing the four B movement? Where women are not
dealing with me in marriage, they're no longer dating them,
they are not having children by them, to the point
where I want to say, last year alone, one hundred
and fifty schools had to close due to the lack

(36:56):
of women giving birth. Jen over here asking essay questions.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Back there.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Come, I'm serious say that, I'm so glad that you
that you were curious.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
So yeah, and all of it is due to the
treatment that they have been receiving by me, and so
that you said, you know what we're done.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
You stop.

Speaker 6 (37:22):
We're not marrying you, We're not going to have your children.
We're not dating you. We will we will stay seliment.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah. It literally just stopped and they looked mad.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Japan as well.

Speaker 9 (37:39):
Yeah Japan, yep, oh man, yeah, they.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Are not getting busy over there or man on both sides.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Very much.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Social expectations make it even oh gosh, social expectations still intact,
and yet the birth rate decreases, but the expectations are
still intact.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Tension, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
And it's the thing is is that the idea of
men and women is like it's it is.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
A modern problem, like the like the relationship issues.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
They're moderate problems, but nobody is bringing up modern solutions.
They're all trying to revert to things that were written
sixteen hundred two thousand, two million years ago to solve
a problem that is here today. And that's that is
one of the biggest issues, man, that's one of the
big Yes. And some of this is due to lawful

(38:49):
orders by the government, yes, like China, because Shina they
said that you're not allowed to.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Have more than two is it? Two children now? Used
to be one and a half. And I was like,
what're you gonna do the other half? But you know,
that's just I'm just gonna throw that out there. But no, seriously,
I'm like, and that is very very soon.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
I I'm just throwing it out there. But no, that's
my those are my answers. But but yeah, so I'm
just like, Okay, I'm gonna read that I'm Korean born,
born there, but grown in Panama.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
I educated in the US.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
So yes, cross cultural questions, religious stuff, and debate in general.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
So we really appreciate that because I was just getting
ready to ask how did he find us?

Speaker 1 (39:29):
He said it was recommended and he clicked on it.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
Yeah, yeah, in the beginning. I appreciate that, man, Thank
you for giving our love.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Man. We appreciate your questions too.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
Ye's a solution, treat people with respect regardless of gender.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Man.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
And that's the question that we're gonna have to get to.
What's the definition of respect?

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Because some people say respect Chuck, I'm not even that's
my boy, Chuck.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah that's hey.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yes, Chuck is a boy. He is crash. He was
over there in Kuwait what is too?

Speaker 5 (40:04):
But no, but seriously, like like for real, the question
is is that, like what are the definite? What are
people defining their relationships by like what are people defining
who is the one who's going to run to relate.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Run the relationship?

Speaker 6 (40:17):
Now what we've been taught, you know, in the past
two three, four generations. That's that's literally where it started. Yeah,
oh wow, yeah that's true.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
Well, I don't want to be I'm hoping that I'm
being culturally sensitive, but I think like the honorifics.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Are like are like huge, like like.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
In you know, Korea, in Japan and China is like
you know, if you're if you're a year over or
a year under, like somebody singer like you're not even
I can't see you, Like it's like you literally you
have to add an honorific to their name. So if
somebody was not in your grade, they are like they
are they are dead to you. You know what I'm saying,

(41:00):
It's not even a consideration. Yeah, at least I think
I think correct if I'm wrong, jennha. But yeah, so
I mean so you've got all of those different considerations,
you know. Yeah, so like in the US, age is
and a big thing. Maturity and respect could be though.
Oh yes, consideration.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
M hm, what did he say?

Speaker 5 (41:33):
The spoken word changes completely based on a mm hmm,
very very true. Yeah, very true.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
So I wonder what that's what that is like.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
So if you think about is it is it for
B A four D because I didn't I couldn't.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
Remember, okay, if they've been talking about this for years.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
So if you think about that, then that means culturally
in Korea you have a whole entire list of like
a whole group of people that you can't even consider
for a relationship because of the fact that they are
one year older than you are, one year younger than you.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
So that makes it crazy.

Speaker 6 (42:19):
Ye, no sex, no giving birth, no dating men, no
marriage with men. Oh and apparently it is and apparently
is working. It is, it is working very well because
they had no first graders last year, had no first graders.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Yeah, and what is that gonna do to the workforce?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Completely decimate?

Speaker 6 (42:48):
Yeah, Okay, in about five years, they gonna be begging
those women to get I.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
Don't know what they're gonna be doing, but I thinking
it's gonna be really interesting unless they come up with
a modern solution to a modern problem.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
Okay, why did it start anyway, It was a response
to the trick that they were receiving by men. That's
why they did. That was a response.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Yeah, okay, all right, good to see jaha.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
All right.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
Problem once again, as what's it as the world becomes
more connected, do you think this will challenge or reinforce
the belief in male's superiority. Depends who's got the loudest voice.
Oh h who's got the who's got the loudest voice

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when it comes to when it comes to the idea
that that male superiority is is unchallenge.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
But see but I will say this though, so there
is resistance to that idea by other males. And I
see it, right, I see it. I see what it
looks like when you have someone that's moderate. They don't
have like, you know, we're males. We don't think of
ourselves as superior, right, we don't have that supremacy mindset.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
So here we are, we're moderate.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
And we're trying to get in alignment with other moderates
because we know that there are guys that are extremists
the you know, like, oh, okay, community, but we're sometimes
but sometimes sometimes you know, your personalities bring you to
each other's paths, and you got to interact with these

(44:47):
guys and you discover oh, shit, you think like this
for real?

Speaker 2 (44:53):
What what are we gonna do? Right? So I think
women are looking for.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
That as an accountability measure, not understanding that Hey, look,
I don't want to go to war with this dude, though,
not over just not over just an idea, Like this
is just an idea.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I don't want to fuck you up over this, you know.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Like so sometimes it's unrealistic and it's it's unrealistic pressure
that you impose on men to hold those guys accountable
for that idea when all we can do is just
have a conversation with those brothers.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
And that's if they're willing to have the conversation. Most
of them are.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Hmm, I like how you repeat that last?

Speaker 3 (45:35):
For most of them are, Yeah, they don't want to
have that conversation, you know, about why they think the
way that they think, because that idea feels good, It
feels good, It.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Feeds the ego.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
So what they're attached to that idea and if I
try to challenge it, you know, trying to converse with that,
trying to challenge and you know, convince you to.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Forfeit it, which I can't do that. I can't convince
you to forfeit it.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
But if I'm trying to hold you accountab before it
and you're attached to it, you're.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Gonna just defend it because it serves you. Even if
you're not.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Really getting the results you want from it in your life,
it still serves you.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
So me at John the moderate trying to challenge that idea,
it's just it's like talking to a wall.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
Yeah, they're not gonna be moved. I've s on a
red page and I.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Was just like, hey, listen, you know something is to say. Listen.
I thoroughly believe that. You know, just like you said, John,
you'll challenge.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
Those ideas of those ideas with guys who are in
who are in your community, right.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I believe as women, we gotta shape art. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Like I told myself all the time, like I will
tell my girls to keep our side of the stream
clean because there are some women who are extremists who
are out there as well. You know what I'm saying.
And the thing is is that everything is about balance
coming to moderation. So you can actually listen to a
perspective that's not necessarily your own.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
At least listen.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
You know what I'm saying because you you might be
able to question some things, you know, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
My bad, No, my sister call me a feminists. It's no.

Speaker 6 (47:39):
We just need to get rid of that ego driven
mindset that a lot of men have and just no,
well come like that, know that I'm under you.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
I'm not under you.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
I just have a thing that I don't feel like
women give birth to their superior.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
Sorry, all right, hey, hey our boy high you cook
it again?

Speaker 1 (48:03):
You cook it, cook it? Hold on?

Speaker 8 (48:13):
Oh see in college right now?

Speaker 1 (48:27):
I don't know, but let's go ahead and attack this.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
So if you need to say, because we're always talking,
we're all talking about the advent of AI like that's
supposed to be the thing, right, So if humanity developed
a way to grow human beings without relying on a.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Human they're working on it right now. You better know it.
They're working on it right now.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
Ah, would this contribute to greater equality or further deepen inequality?

Speaker 4 (48:54):
That would that would deepen inequality.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
Men would feel like they don't need women, and women
would feel like they don't need And that's why we
got a whole bunch of sperm banks out there. They
can if they're that they have been unlucky in finding
a make they can go to the sperm bank and
get them more.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
But yeah, so I think that's that's kind of like
the thought experiment. Right, let's just remove let's remove the
reproductive value that we have right now. So how does
that change? How does that change our dynamics?

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Right?

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Like?

Speaker 3 (49:27):
What reason do we have to to relate to each other?
Now we ain't gonna be reproducing? So is it?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Is it sex for pleasure?

Speaker 6 (49:40):
For that too? I'm serious. They making Ai for everything.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Oh my gosh, I mean, oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Driving it will it will literally drive us further apart
from one another.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
I was just gonna say that because at the end
of the day, the human element is the human element,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I mean, just learn how.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
To fucking relate, Learn how to communicate. That is a
part of your character development art Like if you were white.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
I'm an anime fan, it's a part of your anime.
Your anime character development are learned how to relate.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
We are in a world of trouble.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
I'm so serious you We are in a world of
trouble because they're creating machines to get rid of the
human experience and give us something human like mm hm,
you know. Next thing, you know, we're gonna be buying
babies in the in the store. I love the brown one.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
I'm serious.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
It's oh and emphasis on the at one point.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
At that's true.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
We're abundant now if you think about it.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
I don't mind that assessment because if you think about
what emotions.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Are that an ego, right, It honestly is.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
A development of biochemicals that are producing a result in
the body. Right, So because of these these feelings and
people don't know how to do things with these feelings,
and with these emotions, it's like people, the ego comes
up to protect, right.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
So so yeah, Chuck, you're right.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Communication is no longer normal because of the fact that
we don't want to feel those chemicals that had as
you know, feeling kind of desponded and maybe I'm going
out on the deep bed.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
But y'all know, my hanster is the amster and something.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
No, you're right.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
That's why when you look on Facebook you have meta AI,
or you have the check group where you can have
a conversation with a computer it's snow checked, or you
can download it oh my god.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah, but then check that out.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
We need emotional maturity in order to relate, consider a respect.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
But I want us to for a moment here because
I know we're emphasizing the problem, emphasizing this problem, right,
but I want us to give ourselves some grace as
a species. Okay, this part right here, emotional maturity. I
just want you to think past hundred years, just past

(52:37):
hundred years. How many of those years do you think
that phrase emotional maturity.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Was being echoed? That?

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Okay, So emotional maturity is kind of a relative, relatively
new concept for us as a species.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
All right, So all of those.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Those centuries, okay, all of those centuries of none of that, okay,
of none of that, and we're still here.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
That is that is very true. There is the.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Grace, Okay, there's the grace in it all.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
We can we can, you know, kind of give ourselves
a little bit of a break, some forgiveness, say, hey,
you know we did Okay, we could definitely do better.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Alan said it, man, But it is.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah, we're still figuring out we're still figuring out how
to love each other. Crazy enough, just thousands of years
and we're still not getting it.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Right, and the winner for this award goes Virgi. The
more you know, the more is expected of you. I well,
I wholeheartedly believe that. And because of the fact that
we have technology, and because of the fact that we
didn't have the term of emotional maturity three years ago,
and because of the fact that we didn't have this knowledge,

(54:06):
because of the fact that we couldn't open the book,
because of the fact that our parents and their parents
and their parents' parents couldn't answer these questions. But we
have the knowledge more of it, more is expected of us.
So that means that we have to come up with
modern solutions to modern problems. So we could stay stuck

(54:27):
in the problem or we could find solutions problems. Man,
I'm always like, hey, Rant, talk about how bullshit it
is that X, Y, and Z is going on.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Now let's get to a solution.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
But I do want to take a quick pivot back
to something that you were talking about as it relates
to why you don't see women authors in the Bible, right,
And I really want you to just remember during this
time here, I mean, well, we know why, I mean oppression.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Oppression, Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
So we have to remember that climate who was going
to school or who was being taught to write, being
taught to read? What were the women doing? They were
working with it. They were not in school. There was
no public education. Wasn't like that, right, So you know,

(55:21):
it was all about the trades. It was all about
the crafts, the skills, the artisans.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
So you're not gonna have a lot of women, a
slew of women out there acquiring those skills to provide
those services authorship. But they might have been orators of course, right,
or you know, oracles. But again, we're giving a little
bit of grace here, right. Women were impressed, yoll. They

(55:51):
weren't given the opportunities, right, And we're looking at the
climate now it's like, okay, we're doing a little better.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Globally, we're doing somewhat better.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
We got a few women out there that are in
positions of office. We got some presidents out there that
are women.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
But dang, Mexico beat beat us to a woman president.
I mean god, dang, you know, go ahead, Oh look,
I'm mute. Nope, I'm gonna turn my camera off.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
No, because I want to stay safe. I won't stay safe. No,
I wanted to say something, Go do your research on that.
Go do your research on that one. Baby.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
If we discover a way to chemically evoke the emotion
of love, do you think it would lead to greater
unity or increased the vision?

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Now that is a very interesting.

Speaker 5 (56:54):
Question, right because okay, because I'm gonna ask you, Joy,
because I know you know, be in.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
A psychology student.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
What are the chemicals that are involved with the with
the thing love you got?

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Like what serotonin? You've got?

Speaker 5 (57:10):
Oxy oxytoxin? No, oxy cotton? No, wait, I think I'm
talking about that.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
But let's just take you kept in mind, right, But
let's just keep it. Let's just keep it simple, all right,
chemical biochemical. We're still now we're still talking about a drug. Okay,
We're still talking about something a substance that's gonna induce
a state.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
So let's just keep it what it is.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
If that substance was there, it would just be another thing.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
For us to get addicted to.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
But also you have to create the problem of well, hey,
there are people that don't know love, they don't have
this experience, or they don't experience this emotional state if
they're in a desperation for it, because somehow biochemically we've
fucked up our species to the where they can't feel

(58:02):
love anymore somehow, So that that's that's what we're talking about.
If it's a pharmaceutical you can create the demand for
and yeah, it could create more division, you.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
Think it would create more Okay, well hold up, but wait,
let me throw this in there. Right if you think
about Okay, so there's a difference in my mind, and
just because i'm you know, or my journey, I've learned
this difference between obsession and love. What a lot of
people are out here colin love is actually obsession.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
And that's attachment.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
And attachment and attachments and and obsessions are are normally
associated with things that are addictive. Right, But if you
could actually chemically induce transparent, real healthy love with that,
I really add more division, like like just like they

(59:03):
like if you think about the chemicals that are like
really involved with healthy, transparent love, it it makes room
for transparency, It makes room for for communication, it makes
room for for being able to see other perspectives.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
So would it really would it really cause more division?
You know, just on that question out there?

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Yeah, that's that would be too perfect of the world.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
You think that that would be too perfect.

Speaker 6 (59:36):
The world is randolf of fear. I'm saying no, and
us not being in union.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
M h.

Speaker 6 (59:50):
No, that would be too much of a perfect world
where everyone had care and compassion and was kind.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
That the world, the world that we live in, don't
run off of that is keeping us separated?

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Do you think so? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
Okay, holdaway, okay, so Jen Jena's cooking, Jedi's cooking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Okay. Would that not.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
Only apply if the love is towards the same thing,
the same god, the same family, same culture. Would that
not only apply if the love is towards the same thing?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Sometimes, go ahead? What is it?

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Too much of a good thing is not good for you?
Which one thing is not good for you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
They said? But it would be fake anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
Yeah, you're inducing something that is not there, so mm
hmmm it won't be real.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
It's like, you know, when it comes to culture, religion
has impacted culture. Culture is a way of life, and
culture is different everywhere you go. Religion is the basis
of all of that for some people, for some cultures.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
It huh, So it's not love, okay?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
What it is?

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
If you have to induce it, you have it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
That's no, okay, So listen, I mean, man, that there
are so many ways that we can like go down
the rabbit hole. You know, I honestly think that there's
so many ways that you can go down a rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
With that. Then I'm like, if that's the case.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
Then these people who are taking drugs to get them
off of depression, like, is that you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Like? Is that real? Is that manufactured?

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
You know what I'm saying, I mean because those are
real chemicals that are helping to lift them out of
a mind state.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
And I think that love is Honestly, I'm a that
it's a mind stake. So then go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:02:03):
No, so you don't believe that both can both can
both acquire a balance? No, gin I was reading what
he was saying. Okay, what I'm waiting for him to respond.
One has to live for other can win for the
other can win. When it comes to culture and religion.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I don't understand why can't two things be true? Listen,
I live by that way.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
I Am not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
My My sister taught me that one two things can
be can be true.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
My sister taught me that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
Yeah, mmmm, I guess it will all be your mindset
when it comes to religion. If that's something that's deep
rooted within you, there's something that you do it will influence.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Oh that is a good Yeah, that's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Guy.

Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
It's manufactured to help the problems I guess you're talking about,
like the like the depression, drugs and things of that sort.
But inducing love emotions will depend on intent, you know what.
I didn't even think, Yeah, that's right, because what are
people's intent?

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
What are their intent? You know? And intent is huge
and intent cannot be intent.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
It cannot be recorded, it can only be It can
only be told like like like after the fact.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Think about like when you when you when a person
just does.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
Something that's like that's pretty just ridiculous and egregious, right,
And they'll always be like, but I meant, but that's
not what I meant, right, And I something else that
I learned.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I learned that we judge ourselves as people. We judge ourselves.

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
Based on our intentions, but we judge other people based
on their actions. So if somebody is loving and their
action is not necessarily fruitful, then their intent doesn't fuck
the back right, I mean, just to just to throw
that out there, just to throw that out there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
The wind lose concept is that we come, we'll go back.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
To what you just said said when we're time the
the what again?

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
You're wait, what did I just say? You know, I
got ADHD so I can't run back.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Now the whole damn take back.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
No, I'm saying. It's like, well, I mean it's like
we judge, okay, so.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
In action intent, in action.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
Yeah, we judge ourselves based on our intent, right like
when we when we're talking about ourselves, but we judge
other people based on their actions.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
So it's like, but if so if they can say
I meant to do something, you know what I'm saying.
But we're not judging you based on what it is
that you just on what it is that you thought, because.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
We can't see that. We only see you for your action.

Speaker 6 (01:04:41):
That's because we've been brought up. Action speaks louder than words.
That's what we've been taught to believe.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Yeah, are we are? We fantasize of about it. Deuce
and love. You know something that's pretty true.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Love cannot be done, Yeah it can. It can't. You
can't again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Go ahead, mama, you know I talk a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:05:02):
No, it's okay. No, we're coming up on our hour anyway. Yeah,
go ahead and stick a pin in this one. I
want to talk about marriage, marriage work.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
Oh okay, So if we're trying to solve a problem,
what doesn't make marriage work?

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
There you go? Oh so that's next week's.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
Oh come back, jenhah, come back next week.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Man, come back.

Speaker 6 (01:05:36):
Oh my god, thank you for thank you for stopping in.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
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love and obsession.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
That's very true until we make a measurement to distinguish
between them.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
That is so trueession you want somebody to be obsessed
over you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
Oh I'm not that step yet, but I'll give you
a subscribe.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Hey, thank you for coming or I did serious, But yeah,
let's come back to that man next week. Let's talk
about marriage. But makes it work? May it not work
in the idea of gender words? Because I think that's
gonna be a good.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Man it is.

Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
Thank you so much for joining us tonight. I don't
know if John is still there. John, you got me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
He said, one of us might have to close up. Oh, well,
he's gone. I got it absolute Okay, did I do
it right?

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
I didn't