Do you really know why you trust?

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All right, Tonight's podcast and it's going to be about
trust and do you really know why you trust?

Speaker 7 (04:05):
Johnny?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Come topic, because it's it's just it's just every day stuff.
It's every day stuff, Yes, stuff that's important to all
of us.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yes, it's just life.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
And that's what this podcast is about, us having these
conversations things that we really should already be talking about,
but we don't. It's stuff we should be talking about
every day, every day. Yeah, yeah, regular stuff. Just contemplate life,
be curious, right, So, yeah, this is one of them.
Do you really understand what trust is, especially during this time,

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especially during this time?

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Where before before, you know, you only had a few.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
A few manipulations out there, and now it seems like
the economy of manipulation is at an all time high
and it's probably going to get higher because you know,
the brain volves and when you get you know, different
ways to manipulate trust. So yeah, it's a very important concept,
a very important abstraction.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Trust that I trust, But I don't put anything past nobody.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
Man, come on, bruh, come on, what is it?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
So?

Speaker 9 (05:21):
What is trust here?

Speaker 3 (05:23):
What is what's trust? I'm gonna have to do that
to y'all, did I'm gonna have to do it?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Is it an energy? Is trust and energy? Is it
just an idea?

Speaker 10 (05:33):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Trust is an action?

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Action?

Speaker 4 (05:38):
No?

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, trust is an action.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
What's the Facebook family? What is trust?

Speaker 3 (05:47):
What is trust?

Speaker 6 (05:48):
Come on here? Jump in them comments? You know what
I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Like, do you have to act in order to have trust?
To possess trust, to be aware of your trust? Do
you have to actually act on something?

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Are not act I think that you don't necessarily have
to act on anything.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
I don't think it's an action. I think it's intrinsic.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
We're going somewhere, all right. You said intrinsic. That's a
good word right there. That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
I like that one.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I like intrinsic. Oh.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Trust is when you can tell come on, let's bring it,
come on, come.

Speaker 9 (06:29):
On somewhere.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Without them telling others or throwing it back in your face.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
It to manipulate you.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (06:45):
Does it have to have those No? No, you go ahead,
go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
So we're just gonna explore.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I want us to really and I really believe in
this just as an overall all approach to life. Really
take on that child like mine and just be curious
like revisit some of the basic concepts that you learned,
and just ask yourself, Yo, how much do I really
know about this thing that's been so prevalent in my life?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Trust is prevalent. We got some.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Examples, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
I mean, but what is it though?

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Still, so we have manifestations, we have expressions of trust, right,
we got we have things that symbolize trust.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Oh okay, hold on, hold on, all right.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's a key component.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Of social relationships and it's important for cooperation. Okay, we
can't agree there, all right, So it's a component. So
we got a component. Trust is a component.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
Trust is an intrinsic.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Belief, all right, intrinsic? Oh, okay, it.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Is an internal It is an internal belief because so
you know, I had to go to start Google because
you know, I love you, you know what I'm saying,
to go ahead and look up the actual definition, right,
And even within the definition it has like it says
it has several key factors, right, And I was looking
at those key factors and I was like, okay, those

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sound good. Reliability, honesty, competence, emotional safety, benevolence.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Right.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
But there are people who can trust things or people
that are.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Not necessarily honest, that are not necessarily benevolent.

Speaker 6 (08:39):
Oh, come on, Marcus, Oh man, you know what.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Thank you, Marcus, because that is exactly how I feel
about everyone on this panel. I feel that way. What
he just said is exactly how I feel about each
and every least one.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
You.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I know that whatever I talk to with John is
going to stay between me and I know. Whatever I
talk to with Ivy is going to stay between me
and her. I know whatever I talk to with with
King new Warren is going to stay within us unless
I Dine did some shit and you want to be
your sister involved, all.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Right, So all right, so you know I'm listening right,
and what I'm hearing is what's being done with the trust. Okay,
I'm hearing this is what we do with the trust.
So I trust John to do X Y Z up
down inside out, right, And but that's based on something, right,

(09:37):
So I trust. Obviously there's there's a transact, Like she
said that, it's an action, but there's a transaction going on.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I get it happening.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
If you repeat, if you repeat and stay consistent in
certain things, right, you begin to here something like if
you trust if you trust that if you cleaned, you're nine, right,
you cleaned your nine.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
You got oil in it. You make sure that union.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
You know what I'm saying, Like all the parts together.
You know that you're not it's gonna do what mechanics does.
It's going to point or you're gonna point that gun
and it's gonna shoot every time. If you took care
of it. You see what I'm saying, Like, you trust
that it's going to do that. You can trust that.
I can trust that if I try to put my
hand down to an unknown dog, I can trust that
dog is going to do what an unknown dog would do.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
It could bite me. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
If it's unfamiliar, depending on what it is, So I
trust there's repeated there's a pattern, it's repeated pattern.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
But we're not touching it yet, We're still like, we're
still skating around it. So I'm still hearing descriptive. Right,
you're doing something with the trust right, and you're describing
all right. So what you're saying right there is there's
an expectation that forms when you put your trust into something, right,

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So that's but that expectation is just a that's in
the mind, right, But what has actually happen?

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Like where is it somewhere in the body? Is it
in your penis? Is it in your brain? Is it
in your fingertips?

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Where is this trust that we're just putting in the stuff,
Like it's not tangible obviously, or or is it?

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Is it trust tangible? Because you can feel it. You
can feel it, But I mean is it can you
grab it?

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Can you?

Speaker 6 (11:24):
You can't? Really, that's the reason. That's the reason I said.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
I was like, it's a it's a belief, I mean,
because it's not tangible. It's like it's something that is Yes,
thank you for making a gun thing.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, because it really clicked with him when he said that.
That just sort of laugh.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
That's just pursue he's you know, he's pursuing gunsmith things.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, passion, Okay. But I think
that it's it's not necessarily something that is tangible. It
is something that is something that's created between it's kind
of is I mean, it's it's oh gosh, I'm trying
to think of how to it's like created on a
you know what I'm saying, Like on an invisible plan.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
I don't know you go right aha ya, because I'm.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Here, I'm right here with y'all. I want to again,
I'm coming in this fresh. I want us to just
like what Okay, let's start off with what is it?
We can recognize symbols of trust like the dollar, the yen, right,
this coin, this credit card. I put trust in that,
how it functions, right, But what am I actually doing

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in terms of the trusting card?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Like we said, it's activity, it's action.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
That's lability.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Now here's where I'm gonna challenge it, because again you know,
you know it's a symbol of trust.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Because people use it.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
You can determine you can determine how much a person
trusting something or anybody trusting anything by the amount of
trust esthetic Garners. I don't have to believe and I
don't have to believe that the dollar is actually valuable.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
I don't have to believe that. I don't have to
trust in that. But if everybody else does, does that
mean that it's not trustworthy? Just to me, just to
me as far as I know. But it's here and
there are people.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Using it, so they trust it because they're using it.
So you could determine the trust to something by its usefulness.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
It's function.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
Okay, all right, okay, all right, I'm picking up what
you're putting down.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Cause fifty dollars a fake trust. Listen, ten to fifteen years,
y'all get because.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
But I'm just.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Again, here's here's where I'm trying to I'm trying to
apply some pressure here, right, okay, So there's.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
There's reactions that come about this.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Right, So dollar is a fake trust, right, but let
me take fifty from you, Let me just take it.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
How are you going to respond to that? Why are
you responding like that?

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Though?

Speaker 1 (14:06):
It's a fils responding though? Why it's a why?

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Right?

Speaker 6 (14:13):
But why are we?

Speaker 7 (14:13):
Why are we?

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Oh? Why is that really called for? It's fake? It
ain't real.

Speaker 7 (14:21):
Hmmm.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
I don't think you can fake trust though, I mean, well,
well well hold on, let me nope, let me go
ahead and rewind it?

Speaker 4 (14:29):
What up?

Speaker 8 (14:31):
What now?

Speaker 6 (14:32):
Because I'm just saying it.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
I mean, it's like, now, it's not a fake trust
because you actually I saw you physically take.

Speaker 6 (14:38):
Fifty dollars for me.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
You know what I'm saying, And I'm trusting in the
fact that that fifty dollars can go today or an
extended point in time.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
To help feed my family, to help pay my bills,
to help You.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Know what I'm saying, I trust in the value that
is that it's given at this this point in time,
in the present. And if you really think about it,
they say that human beings, instead of thinking about the
past or the future, we should actually just stay present.
So maybe that's maybe maybe trust is is a vulnerability
with something that is like a present circumstance. You know

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what I'm saying, Like, maybe that's kind of what it
is because I just know that.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I just know that.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
It's like it takes an extra it's an exercise and vulnerability.
Oh yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
I think vulnerability is involved, Yes, involved, Yeah, it comes
into the party. Yeah you're over there, quiet? What about you?
I'm learning? Yeah, look, I want to hear.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
I want to hear. I want to hear.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
Oh my good, you gotta unmut yourself. King, there you go.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
I like.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
I'm listening and learning.

Speaker 7 (16:04):
I will say for the most part, I just look
at trust is something that you create in your own mind.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
That's what you place value, whatever that value is to you.
Can't nobody waiver you from that.

Speaker 7 (16:20):
Just like John pointed out, whether he's talking about the
gun or the dollar, that's what a value put on it.
Just because somebody take fifty dollars from you whatever, you
look at it as Okay, I can get that back,
you know, big deal and keep moving. I don't allow
my feelings to become my attachment to a certain item, person, place,
or thing. You know what I'm saying, So m trust basically, well,

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I'm gonna say for me for the most part, is
me just trusting myself within.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
My own mind frame.

Speaker 7 (16:50):
I'm just saying I'm not saying that's the direction that
John's going, But what I'm saying trust is based off youself.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
You don't really have nothing to do with on the outside.
That's that's just my speak right now.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
There's a lot of things we can trust in, trusting
yourself and trust in the world around you. This is
what I'm trying to get you guys to understand, Like,
really think about as a human day to day, second
to second functioning day to day. Do you know how
many decisions you have to make at a micro level. Emotions,

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you have, thoughts, you have people, you see, things, you smell,
you hear, interpretations, you gotta make.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
All of that requires trust is guiding it. You're being guided.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Somewhere psychologically, psychologically you are being guided somewhere, okay. And
so the severity, the strength of that trust and the
form it takes, that's different. But we're just dealing with
the essence, the function, the spirit of trust. I don't

(17:56):
even like to say spirit of trust. But we're dealing
with the esca sense of what it is, the thing
in and of itself that's moving through all it, what's
behind it?

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Now?

Speaker 1 (18:07):
For for you literally have to trust, you have to
what And in Washington they are not.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
We can?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
We can?

Speaker 6 (18:24):
We go ahead? And because that last night we literally did.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
We talked about that last night.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
Go have it, go ahead, god level, go ahead, come on, No, No,
I'm learning.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
All right, but I will say and then we're going
to go on to the next question.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Right, So I just want to give a little bit
of I guess a little bit of space to some
of those elements, those those components somebody said components earlier, right, So.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
We were talking about reliability.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Uh, someone said honesty is in there where I think
Ivey mentioned like benevolence. Uh, there's competence and vulnerability, and
there are you know, different types of trust too. There's
trusting your institutions, there's trusting yourself, there's trusting society.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
So, I think the next question that we could throw
up in here, let's see.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Y'all gonna answer his question, because I mean, I'm just
like Marcus and d Allen.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
To the non attachment school of thought. Oh man, so
now we're just talking about observing.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
That's a whole.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Baserving you are. If you are non attached, you are observing.
You're connected, you're connected, but you're just observing. So if
you're not attached, do you really need to trust you're
just observing?

Speaker 6 (19:54):
I was just going to say.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
I was like, if you're not if you're not attached,
then all you can do is really observe, but you
can't really trust anything.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
I think that, I think that trusting takes a level
of vulnerability.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Oh, I'm gonna go with that.

Speaker 8 (20:09):
You know, my little medical field background, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
With that one. Mister Marcus, do one thing at a
time for thirty days, build that trust within yourself, take
something away that you know you don't need for thirty days,
and then add to it the next thirty days. You're
gonna build up that trust and confidence and self love
in yourself on that journey. I'm there, so I can,

(20:33):
I can spit that ship out.

Speaker 8 (20:35):
Let's go Oh my gosh.

Speaker 6 (20:40):
Oh man, So would there be for any need for
trust whatsoever? I think? Go ahead? John, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
John first Off shouts out to d Ally yo yo
yea the village. Oh man, that's this is rich.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
This is rich.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Man really is Yeah. Yeah, because we know D.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
We know D.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
So would there be any need for trust whatsoever?

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yes, it's direction direction, manifestation.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
When you're manifesting, there's that requires trust that powers the
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
If there's something that's already created and you're going to partake, use, interact, relate,
your trust is going to be a core component here
in terms of determining you.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Know that relationship, the nature of that relationship.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
So whether it be a religious belief system, whether it
be your computer, whether it be getting on this motorcycle
or about to get married, you have to put your
trust into this in order to advance, manifest and create,
because otherwise you go back to non attachment observation.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
You ain't making no decisions. You just observing you just
went to.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
Right and you are ultimately sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, you don't need you don't need trust for that.
You don't need trust for that day.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
With Marcus on this, I think the current definition of trust. Yeah,
in today's time, in this generation, right here, right now,
people are loyal to the wrong ship and and don't
trust what's real anymore, man or what's standing right there

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in front of them.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
He said, who who framed?

Speaker 8 (22:34):
Who is.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
What we were saying? We both know them?

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (22:41):
Yeah, yeah listen. So okay, so human beings. Human being
is a creature.

Speaker 5 (22:48):
We are creatures of comfort, and if we do not
create some type of stability or some type of base
in our life, that's when we don't necessarily move into
alignment and trusting in something that that's trusting in yours.
You got to trust in something as a human being
in order to create that stability, you know what I'm saying. So,
I mean, I like at the beginning, like just like

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Marcus was saying, Marcus was saying that, you know, he
was saying that he has health issues and he can't
create new habits.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
I talk about it all the time. I have eight
I have health issues.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
I'm adhd as shit right, my thing is is that
same thing just like just like God levels it.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
You start with one.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Habit, one habit, and a lot of times trust gets stuck,
right because we don't trust ourselves when we when we
live disconnected from ourselves and we can't trust ourselves, then
that causes us not to be able to trust other people,
you know. Or sometimes we'll be like I can trust myself,
I can trust myself. Have you come to self?

Speaker 6 (23:47):
You know what I'm saying. Have you come to self?
Do you know who self is? Can you really? You
know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 (23:51):
Because anything if you, if you can trust yourself to
be vulnerable with yourself, then you can you can lend
that vulnerability to other people to create a stable base.
But that's just my I'm gonna put myself on you
because you'll know what.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
I love it.

Speaker 8 (24:05):
I love it keing new one ready.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
You got the mic up?

Speaker 4 (24:14):
No?

Speaker 3 (24:14):
No, but then markus, I suggest you come to this
podcast every Tuesday. We're gonna help you. We're definitely gonna
help you with that. That that is yeah, no no spam.
All you want like share and subscribe, honey, this is this.
This is things that people don't want to talk about.
These are those uncomfortable conversations, like John said in the beginning,

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that we should be having every day. This is how
we elevate. This is how we evolve.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
We talk about it.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Come on, let's go, girl. I plan on being here
every Tuesday. Thank you speech.

Speaker 7 (24:51):
We welcome there, were welcome there first. Foremost start comments. Man,
we appreciate that first of all. Like I say, I
just like the activity for the most part. But you know,
just dealing with the word of trust, John, for the
early based off your experience the child owing up to

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your current age right now, you trust the information and
data that's coming through your experiences, your experiences have to
deal with data as to where either like John said,
the observant because you don't know what you need to
trust and just taking the information again, so what you're
taking the information and really trust the information not necessarily
individual in order to attaching it still revolves around self

(25:36):
all over. You just come back to you, you know,
like the question just asked when it comes to trust
and trust a belief for a faith, he's not even
belief for a faith.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Which is you going over the data and processing the information.

Speaker 7 (25:49):
Like you said, if you deal with the fine assistance
or touches whatever you see and hear, you know, you
can hear one thing, it can be told something different
based off the information how you see it. So you
can receive it through a touch and it doesn't resist
the same. It's like you look at you receive it
through a taste and it doesn't resist the same as
you know when you smell it.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
You see what I'm saying. So he can throw you
all off.

Speaker 7 (26:08):
So it's like which wonders we been tapping to be
like the springboard to be like, you know what, I'm
gonna take this as an under actorate and what you
need to agress forward, like John also pointed out, So
it's like a big little circle. But it still come
back to you though that that's that's my taste.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
For right now. Mm hmmmm.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
M okay, So what y'all think truyt faith and belief?
Are they the same? Different?

Speaker 5 (26:39):
I think they're intertwined, but they're they're different. Come on, Marcus,
ah student has become that teacher.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Exactly what I just said. Yeah, you know what I'm
saying exactly.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yes different, Yes, yes, that far, that far Oh my gosh,
come on man, come on, d I don't know self
at all. My good surgy had the most paramount part
of your journey. This exact state of mind is what
took me an entire forty years to realize and then
began my journey to self. Thank you d Allen for

(27:15):
saying that, because I tell everybody all the time, I
come on this podcast a lot of times to keep
myself accountable because my journey journey, like my journey journey, journey,
that joint started at forty four.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
I'm forty. Ye, now you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
So it's been a second and it really got deep
this last twelve months. So I'm just saying, like.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
Come into self, come into self. Coming to your co.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Bro.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
I just turned forty.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
I needed I needed this realization.

Speaker 6 (27:43):
Come on man, oh oh oh man. King O Warren
says all the time, He's like, it starts at self.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
And the thing is is that the reason why I
was not trusting things in my life is because of
the fact that I had to come to self and
realize self. And that doesn't mean that it doesn't come
with any issue shoes and stuff. But if you can trust,
if you can trust that you have your best interest
in minds. That's a place to start. That is a
place to start with and coming to yourself. Yes, yeah,

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learn in order to learn into your coup.

Speaker 6 (28:17):
Empty.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yo.

Speaker 8 (28:17):
That's very so.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
I think they trust, faith and belief are like they
are different things. Like you know what I'm saying, because
I think that faith.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
About right, that's so funny. Come on, probably we can
have some fried shair.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Well we have and I'm just kidding no, but seriously,
like I believe that like faith and belief is kind
of like dealing with hope, and trust is more dealing
with like you said, John, like the five senses.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, yeah, okay, god level.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Oh I'm learning all right, So you don't have a
problem with the word trust. So I'm getting over them.
You know, facts are not feelings or feelings are not facts.
I'm learning because I'm getting over a hump when it
comes to trusting outside of this group. I'm learning, all right.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
So in my view, this is experiential, this is perceptual,
this is rational.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
They're the same stuff, right. So belief is more like the.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
It's more like the formation of the trust or the faith, right,
it's the formation so I want you to think like
trust as the wave and belief as the crystallized. It's
an ice cube, we'll just say that. So there's form
and then there's a flow.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Right.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Trust does not have to be crystallized.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Right, But from what I've been studying in the dictionaries,
in contextual terms, trust is more rational. Right, So you
usually need evidence for trust. That's usually what it deals in.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Right.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Faith does not require evidence, it does not require proof,
and it's usually emotional or spiritual.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Right, And it's kind of I don't want to say aspirational. Right.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
And then yeah, belief, belief is more of a crystallized
So you have a lot of beliefs. Okay, you have
a lot of beliefs, and they're just really they're just ideas. Right,
that could be true or false, but they're just ideas.
They're true have false, right, Because beliefs can be true
or false. So when you think about beliefs, they can

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go either way. They're not but you have to challenge them,
you have to test them. So that's where the scientific
method comes in. And then we do all this buried right,
But between the three day John to John, they're all
the same. Trust is just like in a semantic sense,
it refers going backwards. It's like, I trust based off

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of previous experiences and such faith you don't need previous
experiences to have faith. So in a sense, what they're
saying from a linguistic standpoint is faith is what you
start with.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Trust is what you develop, and then beliefs form as
a result of both.

Speaker 6 (31:18):
Come on, man, that's a barn right.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
But but but but but this is just John, Okay,
this is this is not like, hey man, you know
this is the truth. This is just my understanding. This
is how I grapple with it, right, But I think
it's it's very important for us to, you know, distinguish
them and really try to visualize and get a better
understanding as to how it works. Right, So, you have

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a whole bunch of beliefs, But then there's a question
as to why why did you form that belief?

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Why did you trust? Now there's a why what's the motivation?

Speaker 2 (31:55):
So even with faith and trust, faith and trust by
itself isn't the same as motivation.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Motivation is different.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
I'm motivated to trust this because blah blah blah blah blah.
I'm motivated to have faith because blah blahh. So now
you got desired trust, and it's like you're guiding these
energies to create right now. This is me just freestyling.
Like I said, this ain't rehearsed. I'm just playing here
with y'all. I'm just trying to figure it.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
Out with y'all. I love the volley. I love the volley,
like the volley, like between it. And He's like, look,
this is just what I'm telling you.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
No, that's really interesting. That is really really interesting. Yeah,
I'm just pondering on that.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
For a second.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
What determines the value of trust, your experience with whatever
it is that you are are looking at.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Experience.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yeah, John, you've been consistent in your friendship and being genuine.
My brother has been consistent in our relationship with tough
love you I'm throw in there.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
Love.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Ivy has been consistent in her in our conversation and
we're both eighty ahds. If you could just hear the
conversations that we have and talking about twenty million things
and then go back to the very first one and
still pick up where we left off, amazing, amazing, absolutely amazing.

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I trust her to tell me the truth. If I'm
if it looks like I'm bleeding online, let me know,
you know, well, yeah, but other than that, it's it's
it's the it's the experience, it's the consistency. If you've
shown me over and over and over, then you don't
like me, then I don't trust you, all right, So.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
Yeah, I want to go ahead and talk about that. Benevolence.
The benevolence is a thing, you know what I'm saying.
Benevolence and trust and determining the value of trust because
if you don't think that somebody has your best interest
in mind or something has your best interest in mind,
one of the reasons why community is a color. Can't
trust the United States government.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
So the goodness of something, yeah, it's like the benefit,
I guess, like, yeah, the benefit they have your.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Best interests in mind? Or are they trying to use you?

Speaker 1 (34:33):
You know, yeah, goodness yeah, Oh okay, okay, trying to
use you? Okay, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 7 (34:39):
But at the same time, though, wouldn't that mean that
after receiving that information, you start to trust them to
be the natural shorts?

Speaker 4 (34:49):
That's a part too, okay.

Speaker 6 (34:50):
Okay, No, that's a part too.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
So it's like it's after you see that somebody doesn't
necessarily have your best interest in mind, Like I trust
you to do this, you.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
Know what I'm saying. You'd be like, that's that's perfectly fine.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
But then the music or I think I've heard what
is the rapper that passed away? Oh d MX trust
a snake to be a snake? Come on, man to
be a thing? Oh my god, yep, yep.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
And now it's an issue of not trusting yourself.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Right is going to show up? Do you trust the
deception of them? Well, you trust you to deceive yourself
to believe and what you want them to?

Speaker 5 (35:32):
Come on now, because let's go ahead and talk about
how some people get into fantastical thinking and they want
to blame the other person. But you see what I'm saying,
like you want to blame the other person for being
to ask when it came to you and it was like, hey,
I'm gonna ask brou you know what I'm saying. Or
they showed through their actions their words can say I'm
not an ass actions very much so, but then we

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get mad when they kind of trust.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Trusted, but they showed you, but you have faith that
they would.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
Change that needs to be.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
If my ladies are out there listening, I'm not even
gonna say nothing.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna drop that mental bar. Okay,
I'm gonna be.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
And if you fellas out there listening, emotions.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Plays a big part, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Emotional psychological security, yeah a big point.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I think emotions help determine the value of trust because, yeah,
we we do have a drive, a tendency towards emotional stability,
psychological stability.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
We want to be sane, and.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
So if I can put trust, like if I know
that my sanity is on the line and I can
trust you, it'll bring my sanity at a nice threshold.
So the trust is valuable because the risk, the consequences,
the consequences of broken trust, the consequences of skepticism, the

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consequences of cynicism, that all determines the value of trust.
I also think I want to say, what was that
earlier risk and vulnerability? Risk and vulnerability that determines the
value of trust because when you are deciding on who

(37:33):
and what to trust, you're contemplating the risks. You're not
just looking at the consequence, You're not just saying this
could happen, This could happen.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
You're weighing the options like, Okay, I.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Trust that this might happen, and then you're saying that's
risky in terms of what right And so you got
to figure that part out. I trust this is going
to happen, but how is this going to weaken me?
Or can I afford to endure this? Can I afford
to tolerate this? So there's a risk assessment here. We're

(38:06):
probably gonna add down this course and I have to,
you know, decide on whether I want to embrace that
risk or be that vuloble.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Oh I'm about to you know, leave, you know, with
this man with my three kids. Hm hmm. That puts
me at risk. I don't know if I can trust
this man.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
I mean, you still got to bring you back to
yourself because the decision was made to even put trust
in something, So how much do you know about that
person or thing, whatever it may be?

Speaker 4 (38:43):
And you got to switch it and be like, what's
the value on myself to you to make that decision?

Speaker 8 (38:49):
Oh, I mean he's just gonna like drop, He's gonna
might drop.

Speaker 7 (39:02):
Really, I mean, but god level you pointed out rims
of times, even tonight. How to just trust yourself and
a decision yeah all over to somebody else.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, and you're going to learn that through through experience.
It is experience, and I had made I learned that
through experience of given my powerway.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
To somebody else.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I'm not gonna even lie. I've been there, so yeah.
So now I hold it very very close to my bosom.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Yeah, but that's not a bad thing.

Speaker 7 (39:39):
That's character. You know, you put yourself in a position. Yeah,
you know, you have human experience, beautiful human experience. I
am in the more beautiful moments and experience you have,
the better off you are.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
That's doing that one thing we always say yourself.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
Yeah, very very true.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
It took me a long time. And I'm gonna go
ahead and the me into this because my brother has
been saying this ship for years. It comes back to self.
It comes back to self when he first it comes
back to our selfish so fat And I'm like, yo,
what is he talking about? What does it mean?

Speaker 7 (40:20):
Like?

Speaker 3 (40:20):
And now I finally I don't I'm not gonna say
right now in this moment, I finally get it, Like
I understand what the hell he means. It all comes
back to you. What you allow, what you put out there,
what you fucking entertain, It all comes back to you.
If you don't like the clown, get the fuck.

Speaker 8 (40:38):
Out the circuits, put on ice.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
I'm just saying, that's a help love that my brother
gives me that he comes back to self, says, it
comes back to self. All this shit you experienced, it
still comes back to sell. Yeah, I've been listening, brother,
I be listening.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
Oh family love, I love to see.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
I was listening those all those times I was listening.
I was listening. Sometimes confused as fuck, but I was listening.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
So I'm looking I speaking of that. So I'm going
to ask you. I'm going to ask you, God level,
is it harder?

Speaker 5 (41:31):
Do you think it's harder for people to trust today
compared to the past, since, you know, since since mister
Skythwalker had bought it up.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yes, yes, it is harder for people to trust today
than it was in the past. Look, look where we're at.
We're on social media. Everything has been it's been brought
to us by this little beautiful gadget right here. You
can get anything easier. You can move on to the
next person to buy everything on line. It's quick. It's yeah, yeah,

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I'm serious. That's how a lot of cheating starts these
these days. Everything.

Speaker 6 (42:11):
Yes, it's not it's not just that though.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
It's not just that the people's man, come on, man, yeah,
people have slow we are we have a slow cooker mentality.
Human beings are meant to have slow cooker mentalities. But
with access to technology, everything is so microwave.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
You know what I'm saying. Everything is so you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
But it's like, but things like the the most important
things trust, honesty, consistency, love, like you know, like all
of that stuff that is slow cooker stuff, you can't
pop it up in a microwave.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
You try to tell people that. You try to tell
people that up front, you know. And I want what
money can't buy.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Humm, give me it validation.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I want what money can't buy. Trust, love, honesty. Those
are the main three for me. If I can't trust you,
then I'm going to be living on edge with you.
And do I want to be living on edge?

Speaker 4 (43:23):
No?

Speaker 8 (43:24):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
I like my piece. I will cut you out like
a fucking cancer.

Speaker 6 (43:33):
Would you say, John, what do you think is it
harder to trust people?

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, very much, very much. I like the direction we
were going with with the influence of technology. Yeah, yeah,
the virtual realms. Yeah, when you when you really think
about it, uh, we are played with so much misinformation.
And then yeah, there's there's the increase in anonymity. You

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got all these burner pages. You don't even know if
anybody is real anymore because it's a profile. It's a profile, right,
and you filter information through that profile. It's a filter.
And then on top of that filter, there's more filters.
So it's like you're shielded from so much information can
you really trust Like what can you really trust in?

(44:24):
There's not enough for you to make a conclusion, and
so it can create a little bit of insecurity, right.
And then of course you have a lot of online personas,
and then you got people that's trying to emulate that persona.
And it's right, it's a fiction. Someone created this fiction.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
And I mean AI AI, the advent of AI.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
There are AI profiles out there, and those AI profiles
have hundreds of thousands of followers.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
People know it's AI, but they still trust.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Us in it on comparisons, right, and you know, it's
just consumption, it's just for human consumption, But there's still
behavioral patterns to consider here, right, what else misinformation? And
then of course, since we're all doing this, you don't
really have to talk to anybody face to face anymore.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
That's one of our main you know, us dinosaurs.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Here, we're all complaining about how the kids don't talk
and hang out socialize anymore. But that's important, right, because
that's how you pick up social cues. Like if you
ain't looking at a woman's face, how do you know
if she ain't really feeling this vibe?

Speaker 6 (45:39):
But you online?

Speaker 1 (45:41):
You texting?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
You gotta you gotta figure out like online etiquette through here,
whereas you know twenty years ago, yeah you had, you
would have to collect the actual physical information. But now
you're a let me, hey, can we exchange numbers? Let

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me go follow your Facebook.

Speaker 8 (46:05):
See what you're talking.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Let me let me just.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Who your girlfriend at? Who liking your ship?

Speaker 6 (46:14):
It's too much and it's curated.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
It's curated, as John said, that friends will her as
John said you every person is their own mansion. You
see what another person allows you to see. You can't
trust people unless they let you, unless they are able
to see into you know what I'm saying and see
into those other spots. And that's if you're giving them access.

(46:41):
And my question is who who's getting that access? You
can't even really start to trust yourself enough to get
that access unless you know what I'm saying, like, unless
you unless you're actually having those physical conversations and you're
actually making those interactions. Yeah, I mean, because I know
so many people people in general who literally they manipulate

(47:05):
people on the internet like they do it purposefully. Like
people who do that they be like, oh, you know,
it's not I don't have to be real about X,
Y and Z, because I'm gonna go ahead and tell
this person I'm gonna make I'm gonna make you a millionaire.

Speaker 6 (47:18):
I'm gonna give you twenty five thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
What scams?

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Scams, sam fish come on?

Speaker 2 (47:25):
And then and then here's the other part that we're
probably missing, right, And why have.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
A relationship when there's an app that you can hit
somebody up on?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
And the invention of algorithms. I really want you to
think about what an algorithm does.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
An algorithm just makes a suggestion based off of a
certain data set about you about a certain audience. Right,
So the feed that you're getting. The feed that you're
getting is based off of what you respond to, based
off of what you respond to, but it may not
be trustworthy. But because you're feeding an algorithm that only

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has the the algorithm does not care whether it's trustworthy
or not. It's not designed for that. So you might
be looking for something that you believe is trustworthy.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Tops up on your feet, and you trust it because
it popped up on your feet. But maybe that wasn't
for you. But you programmed the ourth that part.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Not only that. Haven't you heard people say, my phone
be listening to me. I'll be talking about certain things.
Then I get on the phone and bam, there it
is because.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
Way be on my phone.

Speaker 9 (48:48):
That's that's some weird shitt know who.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
You are.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Now now here. This is why I say this part
is important right in terms of trust.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
So even though that is a machine, right, that is
a machine that's feeding you data, your worldview is being
you know, programmed according to that.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Okay, So I want you to consider.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
The black woman that's on TikTok all day and the
only thing that's really in her algorithm is how man h.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
All it's doing all it's doing is confirming.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Her belief right, but there are other users out there,
there's other information that would challenge those beliefs. But because
the algorithm is only following the instructions given to it
by her, she is in the echo chamber. No different
than your Democrats, no different than your Trump supporters, no
different than your Green Party folks. You're black folks, you're

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white folks, you're transit like, you're in echo chambers.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
It's called complimation bias, valid validation, validation, it's calledfirmation biased.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
When you all you have go ahead, go ahead, job.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
Yeah, because infirmation bias that is when when basically, when
you like, when you stop challenging even your own thoughts,
you look up things and you find things that basically
confirm whatever your ices are. They ballot it whatever you're
so like, like John said, he was like, you got
that woman who's on TikTok and all she has been

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looking up is it ain't shit.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
Keep on getting things that are going to keep on
feeding that you that you know what I'm saying, and
it's going to confirm that bias. Not even because of
the fact that this algorithm is trying to make money,
it's it's going to continue to feed that bias that
you have, and so you have to take a step
and have to take a step back to to like
separate yourself from that and like bring yourself into the

(50:54):
bring yourself and balance. That's the reason why I always say,
come on man like even like he says all the time,
bring it to self. I start to ask myself, if
I got a problem with something, where do I find
this problem? Where do I see it in me? Where
do I see it in me? Because that's going to

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help me know myself better. That's going to help me
challenge my thinking, and that's going to help me come
to myself. When I come to myself, I trust myself,
then I can finally start to trust others.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
Just putt that I'm gonna shut up, I'm gonna go
on you yep, And then I just.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Want to throw away one more point right again about
this algorithm and you know trust right, So everyone we
can pretty much agree everyone is not trustworthy on the
app right, But attention is the currency attention, not time attention.
So there's people love there that are purposely creating rage

(51:53):
based purposely just to get your attention. Because when you like, subscribe,
comment reaction for whatever, they get paid, they don't care about.
So your your the relationship that we have here is disposable.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
It's very quick.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
You got hey, you paid attention to my channel long
enough for you to feel this way and respond and
react to me and get me that little check that's
coming in you know, two weeks.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
Yeah, your your attention is commodified. Think about that.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
Your attention, your attention, right, you're spending your hard on
time that you could be spending getting to know yourself.

Speaker 6 (52:38):
Your attention now has a dollar bill on it. You
know what I'm saying. It is the human experience. It
cheapens it. That's just my own point. And I'm gonna
go back on meut, I'm gonna shut.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Out all right.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
I know we're getting close to our all right time here.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
So.

Speaker 6 (53:03):
How come on, man, we just talked about it. It
shapes everything, YEA, every.

Speaker 7 (53:13):
Media just to get somebody at A validated. Once they validated,
see I knew he wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
They've made groups about me and A's and post pictures
and you can only be a woman to get in
the group. And they've done this in every city is
this show man? Is this show man?

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Is this where it started?

Speaker 7 (53:36):
Front of?

Speaker 4 (53:43):
That's another subject, another topic it is.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
I just want to put this out there.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
This the fact that modern technology and social media like
they impact your trust like this is literally talked about
in psychology.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
We just talked about it in my psychology class, and
I want to put this out there.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
I listened to a psychologist literally said that mental health
illnesses are not necessarily mental health illnesses.

Speaker 6 (54:05):
They are wrapped up in confusion. That's what it means.

Speaker 5 (54:09):
Mental health means that you're confused with something. Right, Modern
technology and social media sometimes they are there to get
to disconnect you, to get you confused, to get you confused.
That's why your attention is so commodified, because they wanted,
like to try to plant that seeds of confusion within

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you instead of for you to be truthful to yourself.

Speaker 6 (54:33):
Because if you feel confused, then that means that you're gonna.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
Go out there and you're gonna buy their product to
unconjugulate yourself.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
Yes, confugglate, I just made that up. Go ahead and
you can take it. But I'm not saying you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
They like they breathe confusion and that like starts to
and like and if you're confused as a human being,
I mean, think about who can take advantage of that.

Speaker 7 (54:55):
I mean the downside is that you know, you yourself
trusting the social media versus your relationship. You become private
in your thoughts to your partner and your relationship, but
you open like a mother you know social media. Yeah, online,
you sure everything you know, but you're still seeking gratification
and validation versus actually having that conversation with your spouse,

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like opening up and being vulnerable with your spouse. You're
more vulnerable with social media than you are your own
home front, you know.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
So yeah, Okay, that's hard because that's hard, you know,
talking to a person who you live with that's having
a hard conversation.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
That's too hard. I reckon, they're not They're not.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
The algorithm, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (55:39):
At the algorithm, like John said, the algorithm is gonna
point out everything from your.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Smell taste, Like it's like they're gonna put you're gonna
crunch them numbers. Oh I got one for you, boom.
That's what I'm.

Speaker 8 (55:54):
Talking about.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Human connection. For technology, we're getting rid of human connection
for technology all day, all day ship than to be
to be having a serious conversation with the person you're with.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Yeah, ain't nothing sacred, no more?

Speaker 7 (56:22):
Oh no, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna put it all on
social media, my birthday, my last vacation, the gift I
just got.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
I'm not gonna say it with the gift came front
that you never mind.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
But yeah, and we all have felt victim to that.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Yeah all the time. Yeah, you had a bad day
bybe Why you ain't tell me? Huh no, I'm find
what social media see.

Speaker 8 (56:53):
Two hours ago you posted this video.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
Oh my god, you had am an hour ago?

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Yeah, so what's wrong? Nothing I did? Asks?

Speaker 7 (57:12):
What's the way you ask? You should have lost it
to my I g and said something. I would have responded.

Speaker 6 (57:17):
This has been things that people don't want to talk about,
brought to you about.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Right what? Oh I like that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:36):
All right? Just hit me on Facebook.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
M You can't tell me I'm wrong. You can't tell
me you're wrong.

Speaker 6 (57:49):
Talk to people you trust to check yourself.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
And one ninety seven likes they say that, all right, be.

Speaker 6 (57:56):
Open, be open to people for who you trust to
check yourself. People hate hearing it man. People don't People.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
Don't want to trust with somebody else has to say
that loves him sometimes because they don't want to hear
about themselves.

Speaker 6 (58:09):
I'm a going on mute because this ain't because don't
feel good.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
You don't feel good because you're not going with their narratives.
You are not going with their narratives. Me and me
and I just had this conversation because I posted something
this weekend that would that you know, was a little
you know, I had my reasons for why I post
my little uh, and I had to let her know,

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if you feel like I'm doing too much of this ship,
you need to come and check my ass about it.
I trust that you will do that, and you don't
put you on my sister. And if my sister, she
gonna contact my brother, and then my brother gonna contact me,
and then John gonna contact me. The next thing, you know,
we all gonna be having a goddamn meet Renee, why

(58:56):
is you posting this bullshit? Many get that ship, then
let's talk what the fuck is the problem. That's how
I expect that, because that's what y'all have shown me.
Y'all ain't gonna hey, hey, I gonna be up there
on the bullshit.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
Man, No, that's people you don't know will have That's
so true, Marcus. It's so easier to talk to them
and omit your problems and have a good feeling. And
that's you know, it took me a while to understand
that the people who actually love you, like love you,
love you, they will chin check you. And the ones
who love you love you, they will do it with
grace and with love. You know what I'm saying that

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sometimes that's the difference, right, It's like the difference yes love,
and it's it's not even so much it's tough love.
It's just about being able to be like, Okay, I
can't necessarily see all of myself all the time. Everybody
has blond spots because we're human, right, So trust, trust
is definitely a vulnerable activity. That is how you come

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that that levels the human plane of existence is vulnerability
and trust.

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
You know what I'm saying, I'm going to be quite no, No.

Speaker 7 (01:00:09):
Miss Town was honest with something. I want to way
out that not only do you not trust them, but
on both sides of this you hold each other to
a certain standard. So so it does hurt come from
somebody that you know live. When they check you, it's
like they perish you directly into your heart because you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Know you hurt them. You hurt them with whatever it
was that you know.

Speaker 7 (01:00:34):
So when you get when you get checked by them,
you be like, man, I ain't want to tell you
that because I don't want to feel worse than already doing.
So when you say it to a stranger, you don't
get that ridicule. You don't get that judgment, you don't
get that breakdown. You know what I'm saying. You don't
get that start out. I like the fuck that you're doing.
You know better than that. And then also the last
but not least, because of the relationship that you value,

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you find yourself being a representation of whoever that friend is,
or family or loved or spouse or husband, wife, You
find yourself being a representation of them. So therefore they
looking at you will. If you get out of courage,
you represent me, you make me look bad. If I
get out of character, I represent you and make you
look bad. So I trust you to do the right

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thing route that you're going.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
I got like that. Now somebody else it's okay, I
get Yeah, get yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Space to breathe.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Nah, but I know you know better. You shouldn't have
did it in the first place.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
I posted a video on this. People who are not
willing to tell you the truth of who you are
is benefiting off the current version of you right now.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Ors ors that bar it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Yeah, all day, all day version of you. And if
you actually wake up to the truth of who you are,
trust me, you're gonna change. You're gonna change the people
that you hang around. And it's like you've seen me
doing this shit. You ain't saying nothing. Ah, Man, you
gonna agree, No, you gotta be. You gotta have that
that real motherfuckering your corner that's gonna check your ass

(01:02:07):
about the stupid shit you do. Like you just said, representation.
I trust Ivy, I.

Speaker 9 (01:02:12):
Trust John, I trust you, trust nobody else, And I
trust me too.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
With the things that I'm learning, I forget not to
have my boundaries crossed again to put me in a
situation where I have to dig myself up out of
a hole.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
Man, people come on Christine because she is spitting bars
man like people. Nothing can be changed without having those
hard conversations. You can't trust somebody until they can let
you see until until a part of them and now
here is something that it took me a long time
to learn. It took me a long time to learn

(01:02:55):
people don't have to always like you or whatever it
is that you do, or whatever it is that you say.
They don't necessarily. I'm gonna bring back up Christy's quote
because even people who love each other do not exactly
have to have the same opinions. The question is is
can you listen to them and can you trust that
they are an adult and that they can make their

(01:03:17):
own decisions? Can you let them be like, Okay, this
is I said that you might want to check this area.
Now you check this area, and are you going to like?
You gotta let it go. I had to learn that
sometimes when I'm listening to people, I can't always interject
with my thoughts on it. I just have to let
them sometimes be and then we cross that road when

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we get to it. You know what I'm saying, And
that that also brings.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
We did and that also brings trust, That brings trust.

Speaker 11 (01:03:46):
Conversation too, Yeah what you said, And I raised that
challenge of Ball to say, this is where my peece
come from.

Speaker 10 (01:03:56):
You just had this conversation, want some way to establish
under stay it so there's no need for me to
look at you as like what you're saying, Hey, no.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
You're wrong, and here's why. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 7 (01:04:10):
Sometimes I got assist there, you know, situate myself and
equal you have to say, get from it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Yeah, there you go, what you said? That was your word?

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Hit that quote, Ivy, because I try to keep it
in my head. Get that quote, the quote Ivy. You
know quote I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
Oh yeah, you're talking about oh which one? Because we
don't talked about a lot of them, because it.

Speaker 9 (01:04:31):
Could be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
You can only change by how much who were.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
Yeah you a man or a woman?

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Can?

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
A person can only change? Right, They can only change
to the amount that they can hear stuff about themselves
and not run away. What can you hear about yourself
and be like, oh yeah that might be true, and
not run from whatever it is and instead integrated what.

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
I love it times that people actually hear themselves and
come on, man, there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
That's a beautiful thing, Christine. At times people actually hear
themselves and paused, man, so.

Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
Very true, so so very true.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
You have activated.

Speaker 8 (01:05:11):
That's it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
That is it? Christine?

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
No, she's on the group. She's in the group, and
she spent man.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
Yes, thank you, christ thank you cobscribing sair baby. Christine
spent in bar show like for real seriously, So thank
you so very much for joining us tonight.

Speaker 8 (01:05:35):
We appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
We really do what we got for next week.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Oh, I don't know, but I will say, uh, I'll
just close off this question.

Speaker 8 (01:05:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I noticed it started off negative and then we kind
of started getting the positive about how how does modern
technology and social media impact trust in relationships?

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
And I just want to, you know, put it out
there that this is a virtual space. We are having
a conversation with an audience about this subject. Our reach
is big because of this. I know about King and
Renee because of Facebook. These apps expanded. I met Josea

(01:06:30):
through a group on Facebook Common Interest. I met my
wife through Instagram fitness group.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
M.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Social media and modern technology expanded my reach.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
It really is about how you use it. It is
a technology, is a tool.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
It is about how you use.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
It, and a lot of us are not developed here
enough to know how to use it. I'm looking at it,
I'm like, yeah, some of us do not deserve this shit.
Some of us should not have had a phone, some
of us have should not have had a profile, right.
I also think of in terms of my learning, in

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terms of my learning cultural conditioning, being exposed to all
of these different frequencies, different algorithms, these different people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
That I know I would not be talking to. I
know I wouldn't I will not be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Talking to a lot of these folks, but having the
opportunity to just shut up and listen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Because I want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
I don't have access to any of these narratives, to
any of this information here, But I'm on this platform
that broadcasts and makes you accessible. And I'm listening, and
I'm studying, and I'm evaluating, and I'm critically thinking and
I'm dissecting, and then I'm probably responding and seeing if
we can form a relatelationship. I might be studying you,

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I might be studying your ideology.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
I would not know as much as I know now
without these platforms, because it's not just book I don't.
I don't just get my information through books. I get
them from people. I study people too. It's very interesting
what people know. Like you could learn somebody and then

(01:08:26):
with learning that person, you can apply so much of
that information to other people, and so it can improve
and enhance your relationships. When you have access and you're
being responsible, you're being responsible. You're being responsible. A lot
of us are not being responsible. You can be responsible

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about how you use the information and apply it in
your life to enhance other lives, including your own.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
So there is a positive aspect to all of this.
While yes, it can.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Get in the way of human connection, it could also
be the net that you need, that grappling hook, that
you need that last so you need to bring those
just a little bit closer because they too far away,
or bring you in.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
This right right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Okay, thank you for for that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
That was a positive That was a positive way to
bring that that. That's true, That's very true.

Speaker 6 (01:09:25):
Yeah, that is a part of the way. I'll tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
That's why John Skywalker, the sly talker, is like, go ahead,
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Real quick, because I know you're to be counsel.

Speaker 12 (01:09:40):
Maybe you invite people to the table to have these conversations.
Some children shouldn't be at this table and you have
like a dope conversations because of social media. Really, so,
like John said, take the time off effect who it
is you deal with me. It may be social media.

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You can tell if it's a box. You can tell
if it's a scam. You can tell if he's a
person who's being genuine.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
You can tell them a person you have knowledge to
even speak on the subject matter. Just be careful. You
let it to a table of consciousness. That's all.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
That's what's up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
That people don't want to talk about. I want to
thank everyone for jumping in on Tonight's Live. We will
be back next week.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
John, you got me. Yeah yeah, So look y'all face