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Speaker 4 (03:41):
So, Luke, there we go. That's what that's what I'm
talking about. You know, we're gonna start talking about like
somatic healing for a seasonal effective disorder or depression. Yeah,
that's something, and so you're basically you're advocating for that.
But before we get into idio, that King Newborn, come
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she wanted to talk about sad and what exactly is said,
Go ahead, John kick us off.
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So before we get into this, I just want to
tell the audience to please take into consideration that the
information that we're providing on tonight's podcast is for educational
and informational purposes only. This is not to be intended
as a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment.
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of today or suitable for everyone. Okay, so just we
encourage you to use your discription and seek for their
guidance right as needed. So let's hop into it. What
is seasonal effective disorder?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Right? Now?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Here is the challenge. Right, here's the challenge. Like I said.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Before, it is.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Challenging to get people interested in seasonal effective disorder really,
just in any disorder really, just you know, you think
about it, We're not really a mentally health focused nation,
and something like this affects about five percent of the population.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right, So.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I want you guys to imagine something. This is going
to be my response to what is seasonal effective disorder,
just thinking about it today, talking to the wife about it.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I want you to imagine your mood as a garden.
Let's put it up there. Mood there, it is garden. Right.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Your garden has a lot of different flowers, plants, trees
of fruits. Their vibrant, their vivid. Your garden is teeming
with growth and color. Right when the sun is out.
That's how it looks. When the sun is out. Your
garden is vibrant, it's blossoming. It's alive, It's really alive, right,
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and it's warm like intimacy, emotional closeness. Right, this is
your mood. Okay, this is your mood. But when it's cold,
your garden tends to hibernate in the sense it withdraws, right,
it's reserves itself. It goes into this conservation mode, it
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goes into the inner right. And this is because the
conditions are too harsh for your growth.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
This is your mood. Okay. Mood changes with the environment.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
So harsh environment, you're less likely to be warm, you're
less likely, right because it's cold, right, So in order
to survive, it's got to conserve its energy.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
This is your mood.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
The leaves and the fruit get much of its substance
from the branches by the way of the trunk. And
so with less sunlight comes shorter days. With less daylight,
it also means less warmth. And then if you're in
the north, you add on cloudy days to that. So
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not only does the garden have a shorter span of sunlight,
but there's large sheets of clouds blocking the sunlight. Do
you think the flowers, the plants, the fruit in your
garden is gonna survive being buried under the snow, right,
So this is the less This is the harsh environment
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that we're thinking of. So there's no warmth, there's no light,
or there's not much light, and so you begin to withdraw.
Your mood begins to withdraw. The blossom is less, the
leaves fall off because it's like, well, hey, you know,
I can get more leaves, I can bear more fruit,
but I need to conserve this water. Here there's less
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activity in the winter. There's less activity when it's cold, right,
So the color in your mood becomes dull, just like
the environment. And this is how I arrive at seasonal
effective disorder. Yeah, yeah, I want to apologize about that,
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but it's like, dang, it's a double entendre too, because
that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Right, That's what happens in nature.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And so the only way for me to really understand
that is let me look at nature like, this is
our nature. We're not going to act like the environment.
The weather does not influence our behavior.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
How likely are you to go see your friends when
you know that it's going outside? What now if I'm
getting some I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Maybe you know that necessity necessity, right, necessity, But if
I'm going to the store, okay, how many trips of
them I willing to make?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
And then jobs?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So our behavior changes in the seasons, and so it goes.
It should go without saying that because of the changing environment,
the change in the season, we move differently. But sometimes
it's not healthy the way that we're moving. It's an adaptation.
It's an adaptation. Right, we're just responding. But are we
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are we moving.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And thinking healthily the same way that we did before? Right?
So what's your take? What's your take?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I was just gonna say, Man, like I live at
a PNW, I live in a P ANDW, and so
out to mail because mail is out here in the
PNW with mes. She definitely understands. Man, it gets dark
around this joint at like four thirds, you know what
I'm saying. It gets dark and then it's normally mild.
It's really really mild out this way, but we don't
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get we get bursts of sunlight during the summer, but
during the winter, the fall, you know what I'm saying.
Sometimes even going into the spring, it's cloudy. Bro. Like,
it's not if it's not raining, it's cloudy. And I've
heard so many mellenated people say that that's the reason
why they can't live in Washington State because the lack
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of the lack of vitamin D is like they get
seasonal seasonal effective depression or they get seasonal effective disorder,
you know what I'm saying. So, and it's like you
have to have strategies for that. But yeah, it's like
I hear about that a lot out here. Yeah, because
I mean, it's going to be cloudy. It's it's Seattle,
gonna be seattleing. So yeah, just saying yeah, that's my day, all.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Right, Jing you got anything?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Ah? Not at this sign?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Okay, He's like, I'm just listening. I'm just chilling, all right.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So let's get a little bit more descriptive, right, So
what are the signs and symptoms of s A D
How do we know we even got this thing?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So it is a disorder that's listed in the DSM, right,
the diagnostical what is it, diagnostic miscal manual.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, man, I should know that, I should know that.
I know better than that. Sound good, but.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's not really considered a separate disorder from major depressives, right,
because it shares the same symptoms. It's just that, you know,
it's a recurrent seasonal pattern, it's a habit. You know,
the symptoms last what about four to five months per year.
So we're talking about someone who's feeling depressed most days,
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most days, and of course what comes with that is
losing interest and the activities you once enjoyed, Like, all right,
all of a sudden, you don't like rapping. All of
a sudden, you don't like playing the game.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh man, I love going to the gym, but just
lately I don't feel like you know, I don't love
going to the gym. I love spending time with my kids,
but lately I don't, you know, having problems with sleep
because again it does disturb your sleep cycles. You know,
there is a potential chemical neurochemical imbalance in the brain. Melatonin, serotonin,
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those two are you know, really key here. You're feeling
very fatigued, sluggish, agitated as a result of being sluggish
and sleepy, low energy, and with that it's hard to concentrate,
hard to focus with depressed, feeling worthless, all right, frequent
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thoughts of death and suicide.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's nible, I feel numb and what else you got.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I mean, whether it's weight game. There is, Yeah, there's
weight game, because you're like, what I want to do
is I'm going to try to do something to numb out.
You know, they're comfort Oh my gosh. Yeah, you just
want to feel only only king work. There's you know,
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there's that is very there's sleep disturbances, like you'll find
yourself sleeping more, you know, Yeah, you can find yourself
sleeping war you can find yourself only wanting to do
things during the daylight hours and then sometimes not even
really wanting to do anything, do anything during the daylight
hours either. Yeah. Jah, that is a really that is
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a really really sophisticated look to it. You know what
I'm saying, Like that with heat, you have a higher
activity and anything that hooves down that means that you're
trying to preserve energy. So maybe that's your body telling
you it's time for me to preserves of energy.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, you know you hear what do they call this?
They normally call this time of year.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
It's becuffing baby making simpathy like you, but I need
your energy in the house. You get on my nerves
because of you, my God.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
But I'm honestly going to look at it like uh
like if you are in that cuddle or that cuffing,
that seasonal thing, maybe you're just trying to find a
warm body to give you back some you know what
I'm saying, to give you back some of your warm ya.
Come on, man, is on it he at a molecular level.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Does that minds more energy to move?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, it has more energy to move.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah. So I'm thinking yeah, So I'm thinking that those
are some of the signs and symptoms and probably just
if you really think about it, just like the general
symptoms of depression. You know what I'm saying, just just
being lethargic, just I'm not really wanting to move, not
really interested in anything, just literally dysfunctioning at like a
basis survival level, you know, like what am I going
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to do in order to survive, to get to the
next day.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I gotta go to work. Gott I'm sad right now. Yeah,
I'm not in the mood. You don't like me, you
don't love me no more, you nevermore. You never asked
me how am I feeling? You never asked me. Want
some of my mind?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
We're doing all of that with seasonal effective disorder.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
A lot of suicide is during this time. And the
reason why feeling alone you're in the house, you don't
want it. First of all, you don't don't even want
to do anything. I don't want to do anything, and
you're living with somebody that you feel like is not
paying attention to you.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Oh dang, yeah, yeah, shots fired, oh.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Man, yeah, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
But it makes sense though, right, It makes sense because again,
you know, there is this drive towards pleasure, there's a
drive towards warmth, and so when.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You when you want what you want.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It's kind of you know, and this is the error
we're in, you know, where it's like gotta have it instantly,
needs to be like this, like fast.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And yeah, you mix in a little bit of entitlement
with that.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I could see why those thoughts would be produced because
the mood is going to produce the conversation. You're in
a bad mood, and so naturally when you're talking to yourself,
you're having these thoughts feed into the mood. The mood
is what's coloring your language right now. So all I
know is that I need warmth and you haven't given
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it to me. And I know I didn't ask for it,
but you should have recognized. You should have noticed the change.
I noticed it, acknowledge you didn't pay attention to me.
It's just it's not it's not about it being rational.
You're just in your feelings. You're gonna but you have
to recognize.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
You feel this way.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And there's a truth about it, but you have to
be mindful of why you're feeling that way.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Neurochemical imbalance, Go ahead, No.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
I was just I'm just curious. I wonder if seasonal
effect the disorder also affects you physiologically, like does it
affect your body almost like depression and other things do
like you know, like you get body ain't like you
get Like you said, your.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Your serotonal level was one. You know, you're not getting
any dopamine. And you want to pick on habits that
you don't normally do when it's hot, you know, which
is eating a lot. You know what I'm saying. You
even start body shaming yourself. You really don't want to
do nothing. You don't want to move, don't want to
go to work your nerves. You know what is that noise? Well,
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we can't start breathing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
So he said, youth.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, and you.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Gotta also think about it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
You know, this is still about survival, right, So what
would you normally do in a situation where where it's
really cold outside and there's food scarcity?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
What does the body do? What does the body do?
It conserves, It conserves what it eats.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Especially if it's like those carves and those fatty foods,
or what's holding on because on a psychological level, on
a very physiological level, like those instincts are kicking in,
Hey hold.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
On to this. It's the winter months.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
You know, there's less light outside and so friggering all
of that is being triggered and you have to be
aware of that. But what happens is you've been doing
it for so long you never questioned it, you never
evaluated it.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, Now, like I said in the beginning, only five
percent of Americans. The prevalence is five percent of Americans essentially, right,
So I mean that's still in the millions. You know,
we're still in the in the millions.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Right, But.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
There is a question as to why other people more
are more affected than others.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Go ahead, God Love, go ahead and check in and
check in with the.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
I just got it literally about an hour ago. I
am so sorry, I am late, I'm tardy. This is
not I'm not acting like a deva. This is things
people don't want to talk about on God level. Originally
from Saint Louis, Missouri. I'm my mother, I'm a nurse,
I'm ann, I'm a gigi, I'm a cousin, I'm a sister,
I'm a friend, i am everything good.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yeah, let's go, stephone, we're talking about sad. How it's
sad diagnosed.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Oh, I just know I have it.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
I just know that when I'm serious, I just know
that when wintertime comes, my energy level goes down. I
really don't want to get out the cold weather hits.
I know the holidays is slowly approaching. I get really
emotional during that time because I missed my family, my
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mother and my grandmother. So yeah, it's it's I don't
like the snow.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I don't like the cold.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
It's too much, and it's dark. It's just seemed like
the where's the sun? Yeah, where's the sun?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Yeah I knew it.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, living in Cincinnati, Like I picked up on it, like, okay,
you know it's getting closer to that time of the year.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah, I did not know that. I didn't know that
that I was. I was looking at the topic and
I was like, I was like, okay. I was like,
we're gonna talk about sad. But I didn't know that
you that you experienced, you know, like Sheason effective, that's yeah,
that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Let's say this. There's no censorship for sad. So you
may have people that have are tuned in or even
listen to this and be like m hmm, maybe uh
that was last winter. I'm just I'm just saying it's possible.
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You know, we we on this podcast, we do bring
up things that people don't normally talk about or regularly
talk about, or talk about at all. Right, you know,
so this could be an introduction to someone. Uh, that'd
be like, wait a minute, Tuesday, let me see, the
moon was right cycles right, but I didn't want to
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go outside. I wanted to cook, but didn't feel like cooking.
I know I need to help my kids with homework,
but I didn't. I isolated myself and went to my room,
closed the door. You know, it's a lot of things
that's going on and lack of Like you say, the
sun isn't out, you're not receiving vitamin D. Now, we
do know this. In our culture, we be whack vitamin D,
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heavily fat, heavily facts, you know a lot of us.
Even though during the summer summertimes we're still inside working
eight ten, twelve hours sometimes even sixteen, depends on where
you're at. So you're not even getting sun during the summertime,
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you know. So, I mean, like I said, I'm just saying,
just putting something out there.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
No, you know, it's funny that you just I'm just
saying this. It's funny that you just said that, because
I'm thinking about it. I'm like, you know, in fact,
you got love. We've had lots of talks about how
about like a where just about awareness, just like having
the awareness of stuff is like a lot of times
in our communities and communities of melanation. I just made
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it any work I wear in communities and melodated communities.
It's like sometimes we just don't necessarily have that awareness
because let's go ahead and keep this a bug. It's
like we don't necessarily have those hard conversations all the
time about things that are affecting us emotionally mentally.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
So yeah, so so even just like Jah is like
really male and Jah, y'all are keeping us like whooh.
And even Jade said this is something that she should
look into morow because you have children that might need
my understanding and their life experiences. Man, say that life
experience is different from other peoples, and sometimes you just
got to be aware, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
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And awareness is like where where it begins? And you
know now that you just said that, I am wondering
because I looked at some of the some of the symptoms,
you know, because I be doctor googling my stuff, right
doctor Google. I was wondering if that affects neurodivergent people
a little differently, you know what I'm saying, because we
already got a lack of we already have a lack
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of dopamine, and then if we're not getting vitamin D,
which you know converts into you know, assage, which can
convert into like, you know, the streams of dopamine. I'm
wondering if it affects us too. That is really interesting
and I wonder if if it if it affects you know,
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melanated people of neurodivergence a little bit differently because we
got barriers to sign So I wonder if that affects us. Also,
you know, if you're Hispanic, or if you're if you're black,
or if you're you know, if you're Indian or whatever,
you know, like whatever, like if you just if you
have a lot of melon, and I wonder if that's impacting. Also,
you know your mail is tuning in, thank you now,
like now, I want to.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Clear something else up before we go further. So it
is seasonal effected disorder. This isn't winter blues. Okay, this
is not winter blues. Winter blues is a milder it's
a milder form of seasonal effective disorder. But there's two types. Okay,
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it's summer and it's winter. So it's like, all right, well,
how could how could summer lead to some sort of depression?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Really?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Really again, think about this. During the summer, there's overexposure
to daylight. There's longer days, right, longer.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Days of sun.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Right, So again you have to think about how the
heat can disturb your sleep. Okay, agitation, irritability, anxiety.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
And then all of that disrupts your circadian rhythm.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Again, that word is very key here when it comes
to seasonal effective disorder. Right, these are your sleep cycles,
and we have what's called normal sleep cycles as it
occurs with the light. Are exposure to light naturally, our
body will us to go to sleep when it's stark out,
natural sleep naturally, Right.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But what happens if you have more sunlight? What is that?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
What is that signaling to your hypothalamust What is that signaling? Hey,
it's not time to.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Go to bay yet, but hey hold on now.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Usually we go to sleep like you're looking at the
time and you steal up like oh oh, I'm up
up right. So then there's the reduced melatonin right production
as a result of that exposure to life.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And then if you add in that condition with the
social stressor so, there's usually more social activity during the summer,
and those obligations could be overwhelming to someone who doesn't
have the energy to perform, and so that damages your
self concept because you're like, man, everybody's outside, and I
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don't want to be outside.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I don't want to deal with nobody. I don't want it.
But it's summer. You don't want to be outside? Like,
get this sunlight? I got enough of it? You know,
I'm getting too much.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
That is crazy because I think, okay, cause week I
didn't even think about summertime. I didn't either, because okay,
once again, Seattle is Seattle? Is that who is different?
It's different out here? Right we Literally it doesn't start
getting dark over here until ten ten thirty at night.
It doesn't like during the summer, like it starts getting
darker earlier during these times, and then like it starts
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getting darker later. So it's almost like what do they
call the Alaskan like like Alaskan nights, where like you
didn't have sunlight through the whole entire day. We literally
it starts getting darker ten thirty for us, and it
starts getting light again at five am. So you only
got seven hours during the summertime. Seven hours is dark.
And if you're really used to, like, you know, like
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sleeping a little bit more, oh man, that can throw
off your circadian rhythm.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And so in this right, so we're just you know,
we've been describing it, describing it and describing it, so
it's not fully understood where it comes from, right, Yeah,
plenty of researchers are still trying to figure it out.
There's a few theories, right. Some of it is genetic, Okay,
(29:22):
some of it is genetic. I want you to just
consider our ancestors. Where were they living in the past,
what kind of environments were they living in cold environments
or were they living in temperate environments, because in temperate environments,
the seasons are different. In cold environments, you get shorter
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days of daylight, you're exposed to more cold.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Do you think a human is supposed to endure that
much cold?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
But you have ancestors that have endured all of that cold,
all of that harsh environment, right, and yeah, you adapt it.
But what's to say that, you know, you move away
from that and you developed sad not because you intentionally
wanted to, not because, but because of your predecessors. You
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so genetic predisposition. That is one way in which you
can get sad.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Oh wow, oh.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Come on, come on night mm hmm. I love it. Yeah,
it's that time. The song has the oh.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Everybody, some did, some did, some didn't.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
My depersonal word reply when you go to play and
it's white out and you get out in a big
black man.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
That's right, man colla, yeah it listen me. She's from
the PNW two. That's my that's my adopted daughter. But yeah, no, seriously,
like it's like it, Oh my goodness, I didn't even
I didn't think about, like I didn't think about how
much it affects like a little bit of everything. And
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like maybe we weren't supposed to migrate if you really
think about it, Like like the the Americans that were
natives to the United States, they migrated, they stayed in
a migratory and a migratory state, So maybe they did
that because you know.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Okay, who is that?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Does that mean?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
That's you?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Ivy?
Speaker 5 (31:44):
It's okay, come back when you get it done, okay,
super loud it was. We're good now, she's good. Now
she's gonna fix fix it. I like dark days though.
I love you?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Who is Miya?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Love you?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Mama?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Love you too?
Speaker 4 (32:01):
That's my adopted daughter.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Oh how many I got credit? I have several adopt men.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, but she was talking mm hmm, okay, shots not fire.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
I know you know, I know, I know who developed
SAT more women than me? And and why women? I
love you too, see, she said, I love you all?
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Thank god, I said women.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, but why why?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Why?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I can only speak I don't see a lot of men.
I well, am I really paying attention?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
No, I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
So you know what I really can't say. I just
know I feel it. I've talked to other women who
go through it, but I have yet to run across
a man who feels this way during the winter time.
Why we're going to be more effective.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Emotional hormonal differences, Okay, hormonal differences, We'll just say hormone
different differences.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Biology like me.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
And mask that depression a lot. Yeah, they do there.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It is now there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
So in terms of the literature, right, if we were
to look for statistics, we're gonna see the numbers lean
towards the women, right. But there's a reporting bias here.
What I mean by that is women are more likely
to talk about the fact that they got seasonal depressed
affective disorder than men. Women are more likely to talk
about it, and therefore report men.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Are less likely.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
So it doesn't mean that we ain't experiencing it, we
just ain't talking about it.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Right, Okay, we're just not talking about it.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I was just getting ready to say that. I was like,
how many men out here being like, man, yo, my
seasonal effective disorders mess in New York here Because.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And even with that same candor the same voice, you're
probably like, I don't really care year, So so why
would we take the time off to say, man, I'm
not saying all. I'm saying all, but who cares?
Speaker 5 (34:49):
You're a man?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I'm saying social norm who cares you're a man? Keep
it moving? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Want this.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
No, because it's the reason why we care. Because look
at the number of suicides. If you really go there,
if you really get down to it, we're gonna talk
about their depressions and stuff, right because you're like, because
we're that nurture.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
But if a man is feeling down, like once he
gets past the oh dude, blah blah blah blah blah,
he's gonna be like, I want out, I'm done, you
know what I'm saying. And he is quicker. He is
quicker to take a let's go ahead and keep this
a book. He's quicker to take the forty five and
be like, I'm gonna go ahead and handle this to
myself my way. That's why we do care because it's man,
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you know, because we don't want y'all gone. So I
love him. No, I'm saying, I'm like, I'll cut it out.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
That's a whole other topic. I am O.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Man, I'm just saying if somebody, if my brother comes
to me and tells me, AYO, I'm feeling some type
of way, and I really don't know, you know what
I'm saying, Like these seasons got me effected. What we're
about to do, We about to work it out this constant.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Well, let's be honest this part. Most men don't even
know what we talk about. Right now, let's talk about
that let's go to first. So even if you did
bring it up here, I'll be like, ma'am, I ain't
even got time because you're talking over my head. You're
not even talking to me or with me, you're talking
over my head. So matter of fact, let me get
back to it.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
And that's not somebody you can trust. That's not somebody
you can ride in. And that's not somebody you want
in your team. That's not somebody you want your drive.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Now, this is a whole entire different topic. Were about
to start to. No, it's not time yet. It's not
time yet, right, it's not time yet. Who is going
to hold space? Because we already had that talk. Who
is going to hold space?
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Is There's one other large core belief here, and it's
it's a belief that's presented as an expectation, all right,
But this is a core belief here presented as an expectation,
as social expectation.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Even when we're hurt, even when we're wounded, we're expected
to have the answers. We're expected to be able to
still solve the problems. We're expected to still be able
to go on. We're expected to be tough, you know.
So it because things got to happen, and so you
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have to be resilient. We say resilient, but we're saying
really tolerant. You have to be able to tolerate your
own suffering, not necessarily do anything about it because she's.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Not going to come with a solution. He's got to
figure that out. It's his problem.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
So we're saying here it's a core belief to the man,
but it's a expectation. Now we are identifying the somewhat
exceptions here. The exceptions are the women that do home
space and says, oh no, I see you as a
human being and it makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Those are actually the exceptions. That's not the norm.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
We're talking about exceptional women here. Even though that should
the exceptional women should be the norm, they're not. Because
this is our culture. It doesn't matter what the race
of the man is. Okay, we already know this. We
already made these observations, and so it's just it's one
of those social problems that we know the answers to,
but everybody does not want to put it into practice.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Require it's too much work. I don't have time to
work on him like that.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
You know, that's it's social conditioning. It's social conditioning. And
you know that's just where we're at as a society.
That's just where we're at.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Oh oh come on, John, I got.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Yeah, yeah, you know this is good.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
The exceptional women.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, the exceptional women are challenging the status quo. That's
what I'm saying here. So yeah, those women are doing
it right. But the other women, and you can try
to teach the other women, they're gonna be mad at you.
They're gonna be jealous, they're gonna smite you.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Ain't tell me that.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
How dare you tell me that I'm not treating my
husband with love and respect by giving him How.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Dare you tell me that? Yeah, that's in the boundary
victims right again.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Ay, we talked about it, victim culture, right, don't hold
anybody accountable, you know.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Listen, I'll get you. Get to a tribe. I'm sorry,
I just like completely to stir get to a tribe.
If you don't have people in your life who are
helping to push against those those struggles and those strongholds
and those things that are holding you captive that you
don't have illumination on, and you just need to peek
into it to plant the seed and be like, hey,
(39:40):
bro Asis, you know what I'm saying. You might want
to take a look at this challenging area at your life.
If your ego is if you don't have those people
who can challenge your ego enough to rise you to
the next place, get you a tribe. Both, get you
a tribe. My three right here, you feel what I'm saying,
and a couple of them over here in this in
this common box. I'm gonna shut up. God love it.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
I just want to piggyback off of what Ivy was
just saying. You gotta have good people in your corner.
As me and my I ain't gonna lie. Me and
my sister back in Houston kind of bump pegs a
little bit and she said, okay, right now, this is
me and Ivy talking.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Now.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
She said, I needed you to be curious why does
she feel this way? And I'm just like, you know,
because I ain't gonna lie. Sometimes it could it could
be like boom boom. She's like, I just need you
to I had to step out of my feelings and
be curious and look at it from a different perspective.
(40:47):
And then she hit it right on the note. She
was like, Okay, I need you to look at it
like this, because I was still trying to hold on it.
She said no, no, she said, that's your your daughter.
She explains, you reminded me what happened. I told her
a story about what happened with my daughter and how
she came home, and she was crying because things are
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not moving as fast as she want them to, or
she doesn't see any type of movements, so they are
too of the same. And that's all they both wanted
was just confirmation. Even though I keep everything up in
my head, I don't write it down, I know what
I'm getting ready to do, and I know it's gonna
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get done. Some people in your life you gotta communicate
that too. They can't read your mind. So the next
day I called her. That morning, we ended up talking
on the phone for like four hours. I said, Okay,
I need for you to explain to me what is
it that you need for me. And that's how I
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open up that conversation and we're good. Instead of allowing
it the faster and be like, oh my god, you
know just I'm trying to say a lot but not
say too much. You know, and if it wasn't for
having a conversation with Ivy, I don't think I would
have ever did that. I do not I think I
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would have probably.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Like conflict resolution con.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
You know you yeah, a lot of people focus on
the conflict part and not the resolution.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, conflict. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
And so Ivey was able to give you the space
to say, all right, hey, let's evaluate your feeling. Okay,
now let's remove the feeling and let's solve the problem.
Ivey's saying, Hey, it's okay, you had this feeling, right,
but you know, the feeling is just.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Telling you that an experience happened. What you know, You've
got a whole relationship over here. What are you going
to do about this? Though? What are you going to
do about the problem? Is this not your feelings?
Speaker 5 (43:01):
Yeah, it's this I And stepping out of my feelings
sometimes can be just a bit difficult because.
Speaker 7 (43:12):
Be curious, challenge that challenge that right now, be curious. Yeah,
I'm like, okay, I whatever, But.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
You know something the thing is is that I listen
to a mental health professional, right like even even talk
about any of them, any of the disorders, you know
what I'm saying, or even just like just like having
even having conflict, right. She says that mental illness is confusion.
You can pretty much like solve it up to confusion.
So even when it comes to trying to resolve conflicts
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about your emotions and that your feelings or whatever, it's
because you have confusion between what it is that you
feel or how you feel that you should be acting
right and then what it is is that actually needs
to happen in order to get a good resolution. So
even when we talk about depression, right, mental mental health,
sometimes man, it's it's confusion about what's going on in
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your body. What Sometimes it can be as it could
be as simple as what chemical do I need? Not chemical?
What nutrient am I missing from my body that I
need to replenish in it? That's that I don't have
right now? That's got me feeling this way, You understand
what I'm saying, Like, sometimes it's that simple, but people
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don't want to step outside of being like, oh I
got it, yo, I'm all right, I'm a right, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
I mean that's when people sound like that, what people
sound like that was intimidating, right, I mean not intimidating.
I can take I I don't know, because you should.
I don't know, So my bad.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
That is my general my general imitation.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
So we need to sit out on the couch and
talk about that.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Listen, I'm not gonna lie to you. But like most
of the time, that's my that's my general imitation of
my brothers. I love my brothers that but I'd be like, hey,
like my brother's brothers look like my blood brothers. And look,
Mail said, I do. Mail is ruggish, stuggish about I'm
playing you're not the rights stuggars about. She's a whole
Reichy healer. So I'm just gonna leave a lot. No, man,
I'm just saying, like for real, I'm like like, I'm
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just saying like, that's that's the I kind of feel
like that's the impersonation of the attitude that like takes
you away from from kind of looking you know, that
might be challenging, you know, so maybe that's my Maybe
that's my impersonation of that. I'm gonna be quiet because,
you know, take a lot so I could talk a
whole bunch. Oh what is some remedies?
Speaker 5 (45:42):
Girl?
Speaker 3 (45:42):
You were one of the remedies is to know you
even even diagnosed with said that's a remedy within itself.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
And by the way, we didn't cover the diagnostic material
and you know, comprehensively at least, but I want to
throw out that one key element of the diagnostic criteria
is that you had to have reported at least two
consecutive years, because everybody doesn't have.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
SAD every year.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
The onset like, Okay, you had it in twenty twenty,
you didn't see it again until twenty twenty four. Maybe
it's very specific, you know, maybe it's something happened in
that season and it just so happens to be in
the season, and so you correlated it. Right, So you
have to rule out a few things. You have to
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rule out a few things like anemia. You could become
anemic and think, oh shoot, I have SAD, right, but
if you do a lab that'll rule that out. So
we got to make sure that you know if you're serious,
if you're serious, right, So there's levels to it. If
it's if it's serious and severe, you're having that joint
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every year and you recognize.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
It, you feel it, YEA.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
If given the caveat that you're self aware and you
actually care about how you feel, like you notice like yo,
I'm usually up up, up and now mm hmm okay,
uh start deducting, start deducing. Okay, it can't be that eliminate.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
That can't be that. It's gotta be it's gotta be
this remedies.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
You gotta get active, you gotta get active, you gotta
you gotta get that blood flowing.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
What are some remedies that treat said I'm so glad
that you said that because the fact that we have
a seasonal effective disorder or depression. Uh, a person who
has that, who's also a reiki healer, who is on
our comments mail. See, I didn't even know mail. You
didn't even put your own game. Because I'm thinking right now,
(47:51):
maybe the reason why you got into reiky healing is
because it is because of it, Ricky, I'm sorry about
but I'm just thinking, like for real, I know the
semantic healing, like sematic sematic therapy, like moving like like
moving like that helps you know, like if you get
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like the blood flowing in your body, having a lava
lamp or or a sunlight lamp by your by your bed. Yeah,
I keep one. I keep one because I'm ADHD and
I'm always like dopamine deficient, so I keep one near
my bad too. Yeah, and I'm in the PMW, so yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
That work.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
Explain to them what PMW is.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
That's the Pacific Northwest. I am so sorry. That is
basically which I'm just sad. Like light therapy, Yeah, light
therapy definitely, I mean, because you know, it's like they
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your body is missing that vitamin.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
But also some therapy that's light. So some light therapy
as well.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, some light therapy and then some So tell me
how you feel therapy just a little bit like like.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Not heavy, just like because it's just for the season.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
Tell me. I need to come see her this summer.
Speaker 4 (49:22):
Listen. She don't even know we're about to talk after
the show.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
We really are.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
I need to come see I need to make an appointment.
I heard those things are intense. I need you to Yeah,
the full package whatever that consists of. Yeah, she said.
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I start receiving Riki to help me with my grief
and eventually felt called by God to learn and do
a ceremony. I definitely want one. I definitely you want one.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Girl.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
Pull out all this trauma, pull it out and put
it on the table and yeah, I'm serious. I heard
that stuff is no joke. When they get to work
in with your hips because hips, trauma lives in the hips,
and when they move that hip a certain way, the terrors.
Is it that release, honey, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
I've seen videos. I was like, Yeah, we're gonna talk
after the show. May Yeah, I'm giving you out. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (50:32):
And to answer John's question, vitamins, some vitamin D, Vitamin D.
Get you some exercise. Get out as much as you
can in the daylight if you can. You don't have
to go out when it's really really cold, because that's
when you actually run back in. But if the temperature
is bearable, take you a walk, keep moving family friends,
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I want to surround yourself with them, keep your spirit up,
you know, and.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
Do it gracefully and the resolved the conflict happens.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
I just what nobody saying. I'm gonna say it right here.
Can't nobody beat me in spades?
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Do you hear me?
Speaker 5 (51:21):
I hate? I'm sorry, can't nobody beat me? And whoever
I choose to partner up with in spades?
Speaker 4 (51:30):
Did I just find a new partner Carria?
Speaker 5 (51:33):
Because no, I am okay. When i I'm telling you now,
then we need to be partners now. Oh yeah, because
when I sit down, I tell people I warned them.
When I sit down, Hey, I get comfortable, I'm not getting.
Speaker 4 (51:58):
Okay. Hey ever, we're gonna talk the other renette, We're
gonna talk too, because yeah, yes, how does not know
how to play?
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Even if it is cold outside, find somebody to challenge
you to go outside and push through the cold. Oh,
find somebody to hold you accountable. Find somebody, Find somebody
to help you, hold yourself to a different standard, a
different standard, cold heat, it don't matter. Just find somebody
to push you.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
I got I gotta say this right. Some people think
that it is like western woo woo mumbo jumbo, a
little like you know, I guess gnolaly type stuff when
you when you start talking about mindfulness and breathing right
and be like okay, I can breathe. Yeah, da da
da da da. But there are proven studies that the
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dorso vaguel nerve, which is accounting for most of your
for most of like your your inflammation in your body,
also like that whole entire like gut brain connection to
like affect all of your mental health. It is strengthened
and recycled, like like by recycling air through your body
like it strengthens it like the Barians breath.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, breathinarians.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah yeah, seriously what Yeah, you meditate, you breathe, and
you allow your chakras, you bring up your energy.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
Say it again, Cordel.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
These are individuals who just live off of just breathing. Breathing, breathing. Yeah,
that's that's it's out.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
There are And yeah, I don't even breathe on the full.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Yeah we do, we do not, we do about twenty
three and we're not even going to talk about the
fact that, depending on where you stay in the are
is contaminated. So sad. How many times are you really taking.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
A deep breath and come on, Living by the water helps,
Going by water helps. I'm letting out in nature helps.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
I've hugged the tree. It wasn't as bad as I
thought it was gonna be. I just we were driving past,
and I was just like, just mind your business, people,
Just mind your business.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
You really discharge people. Don't even think about walking breath
for it. You really discharge.
Speaker 5 (54:31):
Can I share when it would rain during the summer,
you know that little light rain especially at night, I
would literally jump out of bed and go stand barefoot
in the grass in the rain and literally pretend that
my soul was being washed and asking the earth to
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pull that negative energy out of mean.
Speaker 4 (54:56):
Yeah, let me tell you something, right, people think, Okay,
that reminds me. I have a friend who used to
remind me, like called me once a year and used
to remind you remember when we used to go dancing
and running in the rain d D da da da,
And I think about it, that was some of the
happiest time of my life. And the reason being is
because I was more connected. Well, and now I'm connected
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back to nature, but I was connected to nature and
I was unafraid to play, you know what I'm saying,
To round myself and to play. I think that those
are that's also a remedy that would that would possibly
help with sayd you know, just getting into a place
of being present when you're in. When you're present, you're
not thinking about what's in the what's in the future,
what's in the past. I think that then you can
(55:39):
actually stay president enough to play and be happy, find joy,
find gratitude moments, yeah, and be able to breathe everything
in like literally created.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Miss Tawner. You're always connected. You just didn't take the
time off to acknowledge the distractions. Distractions, distructions, a little bit,
more distractions and more more distractions. Lying, Yeah, you've always
been connected. Just got to flip the strip, the switch
and just realign yourself with it.
Speaker 4 (56:08):
Is it DAGs. Yeah, that's a good way to look
at it. That's true. Yeah, yeah, we are all you know,
like that whole Oh my goodness. Remember when we had
that show when that guy came on and he basically
he just took over and talked about how we're so
interconnected and like everything is cont like humanity is completely connected.
We're connected to their urg to the like, to the nature,
like everything, like everything is so connected. Then I watched
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the show that talked about the science behind it, and
I was like, oh, I definitely believe that. But some
people choose not to flip that switch and to tune
into it, and that's like, you know what I'm saying,
Like they're disconnected to their true nature.
Speaker 5 (56:44):
My I hear you. I was just reading about this
in the book. Left hemisphere is the separation logic, Right
hemisphere is spiritual is knowing that we are all connected. Yeah,
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we're separated. You're there, I'm here, but we're still connected.
You gotta put them together.
Speaker 4 (57:18):
Come on, I'm telling you, Oh man, they have the
shoes off and have direct contact.
Speaker 5 (57:24):
With the connection over everything. Yes, man, yeah, so true.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
Then that leads me to to think the people who
maybe like are suffering from seasonal effective disorder, maybe that's
like a chance to like, you know, like reconnect that.
You know what I'm saying, like, okay, all right, hold on,
I'm just gonna go show with what mel just said.
But it maybe yeah, maybe that's maybe that is a
signal to go reconnect with like with really like lots
(57:54):
of nature, you know, like maybe that's the thing saying,
you know, like like connect with it even more.
Speaker 5 (58:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (58:00):
I'm just throwing stuff out. I'm throwing stuff out and
see him something.
Speaker 5 (58:03):
I don't see it. I don't see why not Yeah yeah,
why oh my god, saying oh thank you ma'am.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Yeah, thank you ma'am. I can't I really, I'm gonna
call you after this podcast. I'm about ten fifteen minutes.
Speaker 5 (58:20):
Okay, all right, I got to go back to my job.
I forgot to do so so I forgot to put
an order in.
Speaker 4 (58:30):
That. Okay, Oh my gosh, thank you so much, mail.
This has been great. I'm so glad that you chimed in,
so glad that you charmed in. Yeah, anybody else, I'm
just saying, anybody out there watching or listening, you know,
do you have any experiences with seasonal effective disordered depression,
(58:51):
you know anything, any experiences from it that you want
to share. I've only had I've only heard two people
in my lifetime now and Renee, you're a level. You're
the second one actually say that they they experience.
Speaker 5 (59:05):
It hasn't hit me hit me yet, but I know
it's coming. It's it's a I did good for for Thanksgiving.
Thanksgiving we actually renamed the Homecoming. But Christmas is this month,
so mmm, I can't wait till January the first, and
(59:27):
I know that the sun is it's coming. It's coming,
like yeah, I'm just dreading it right now. Yeah, that
was good. The night was good. Thank you. Sorry I
was late.
Speaker 4 (59:43):
I was just about to say you all time.
Speaker 5 (59:48):
Next week we're just going to do a Q and
a why because we're going to be off the last
two weeks in December and we don't come back until
next month, January the seventh. Thank you Renee. I want
to learn. Oh so, yeah, we're gonna do what we
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usually do, a Q and A every often. No, you're
gonna ask us questions.
Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
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about what topics you want to.
Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
Talk about that part?
Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
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You know what I'm saying. I mean, because y'all know
you were talking every week. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
What do y'all do this next week? We're doing gender
Wars in January.
Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
I'm gonna put myself on mute.
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Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
So that's just a sneak peek, just a sneak peak.
But next week we're just gonna do a Q and
A because we're going on vacation for the last two
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Speaker 4 (03:41):
So, Luke, there we go. That's what that's what I'm
talking about. You know, we're gonna start talking about like
somatic healing for a seasonal effective disorder or depression. Yeah,
that's something, and so you're basically you're advocating for that.
But before we get into idio, that King Newborn, come
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Culture, he said, I am a friend. To the culture, y'all.
To the family, it's all the friends and the family,
to the friends, mix them together, mashed together like a
good old blooney sandwich. Anyway, everybody gets tired right talking
about our topic today, and you know, God level, she's
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she's coming in, she'll be coming in soon. But you know,
she wanted to talk about sad and what exactly is said,
Go ahead, John kick us off.
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So before we get into this, I just want to
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information that we're providing on tonight's podcast is for educational
and informational purposes only. This is not to be intended
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encourage you to use your discription and seek for their
guidance right as needed. So let's hop into it. What
is seasonal effective disorder?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Right? Now?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Here is the challenge. Right, here's the challenge. Like I said.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Before, it is.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Challenging to get people interested in seasonal effective disorder really,
just in any disorder really, just you know, you think
about it, We're not really a mentally health focused nation,
and something like this affects about five percent of the population.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right, So.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I want you guys to imagine something. This is going
to be my response to what is seasonal effective disorder,
just thinking about it today, talking to the wife about it.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I want you to imagine your mood as a garden.
Let's put it up there. Mood there, it is garden. Right.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Your garden has a lot of different flowers, plants, trees
of fruits. Their vibrant, their vivid. Your garden is teeming
with growth and color. Right when the sun is out.
That's how it looks. When the sun is out. Your
garden is vibrant, it's blossoming. It's alive, It's really alive, right,
(07:23):
and it's warm like intimacy, emotional closeness. Right, this is
your mood. Okay, this is your mood. But when it's cold,
your garden tends to hibernate in the sense it withdraws, right,
it's reserves itself. It goes into this conservation mode, it
(07:45):
goes into the inner right. And this is because the
conditions are too harsh for your growth.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
This is your mood. Okay. Mood changes with the environment.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
So harsh environment, you're less likely to be warm, you're
less likely, right because it's cold, right, So in order
to survive, it's got to conserve its energy.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
This is your mood.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
The leaves and the fruit get much of its substance
from the branches by the way of the trunk. And
so with less sunlight comes shorter days. With less daylight,
it also means less warmth. And then if you're in
the north, you add on cloudy days to that. So
(08:30):
not only does the garden have a shorter span of sunlight,
but there's large sheets of clouds blocking the sunlight. Do
you think the flowers, the plants, the fruit in your
garden is gonna survive being buried under the snow, right,
So this is the less This is the harsh environment
(08:51):
that we're thinking of. So there's no warmth, there's no light,
or there's not much light, and so you begin to withdraw.
Your mood begins to withdraw. The blossom is less, the
leaves fall off because it's like, well, hey, you know,
I can get more leaves, I can bear more fruit,
but I need to conserve this water. Here there's less
(09:14):
activity in the winter. There's less activity when it's cold, right,
So the color in your mood becomes dull, just like
the environment. And this is how I arrive at seasonal
effective disorder. Yeah, yeah, I want to apologize about that,
(09:34):
but it's like, dang, it's a double entendre too, because
that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Right, That's what happens in nature.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And so the only way for me to really understand
that is let me look at nature like, this is
our nature. We're not going to act like the environment.
The weather does not influence our behavior.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
How likely are you to go see your friends when
you know that it's going outside? What now if I'm
getting some I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Maybe you know that necessity necessity, right, necessity, But if
I'm going to the store, okay, how many trips of
them I willing to make?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
And then jobs?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So our behavior changes in the seasons, and so it goes.
It should go without saying that because of the changing environment,
the change in the season, we move differently. But sometimes
it's not healthy the way that we're moving. It's an adaptation.
It's an adaptation. Right, we're just responding. But are we
(10:47):
are we moving.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And thinking healthily the same way that we did before? Right?
So what's your take? What's your take?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I was just gonna say, Man, like I live at
a PNW, I live in a P ANDW, and so
out to mail because mail is out here in the
PNW with mes. She definitely understands. Man, it gets dark
around this joint at like four thirds, you know what
I'm saying. It gets dark and then it's normally mild.
It's really really mild out this way, but we don't
(11:16):
get we get bursts of sunlight during the summer, but
during the winter, the fall, you know what I'm saying.
Sometimes even going into the spring, it's cloudy. Bro. Like,
it's not if it's not raining, it's cloudy. And I've
heard so many mellenated people say that that's the reason
why they can't live in Washington State because the lack
(11:37):
of the lack of vitamin D is like they get
seasonal seasonal effective depression or they get seasonal effective disorder,
you know what I'm saying. So, and it's like you
have to have strategies for that. But yeah, it's like
I hear about that a lot out here. Yeah, because
I mean, it's going to be cloudy. It's it's Seattle,
gonna be seattleing. So yeah, just saying yeah, that's my day, all.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Right, Jing you got anything?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Ah? Not at this sign?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Okay, He's like, I'm just listening. I'm just chilling, all right.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So let's get a little bit more descriptive, right, So
what are the signs and symptoms of s A D
How do we know we even got this thing?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So it is a disorder that's listed in the DSM, right,
the diagnostical what is it, diagnostic miscal manual.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, man, I should know that, I should know that.
I know better than that. Sound good, but.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's not really considered a separate disorder from major depressives, right,
because it shares the same symptoms. It's just that, you know,
it's a recurrent seasonal pattern, it's a habit. You know,
the symptoms last what about four to five months per year.
So we're talking about someone who's feeling depressed most days,
(13:05):
most days, and of course what comes with that is
losing interest and the activities you once enjoyed, Like, all right,
all of a sudden, you don't like rapping. All of
a sudden, you don't like playing the game.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh man, I love going to the gym, but just
lately I don't feel like you know, I don't love
going to the gym. I love spending time with my kids,
but lately I don't, you know, having problems with sleep
because again it does disturb your sleep cycles. You know,
there is a potential chemical neurochemical imbalance in the brain. Melatonin, serotonin,
(13:42):
those two are you know, really key here. You're feeling
very fatigued, sluggish, agitated as a result of being sluggish
and sleepy, low energy, and with that it's hard to concentrate,
hard to focus with depressed, feeling worthless, all right, frequent
(14:04):
thoughts of death and suicide.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's nible, I feel numb and what else you got.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I mean, whether it's weight game. There is, Yeah, there's
weight game, because you're like, what I want to do
is I'm going to try to do something to numb out.
You know, they're comfort Oh my gosh. Yeah, you just
want to feel only only king work. There's you know,
(14:35):
there's that is very there's sleep disturbances, like you'll find
yourself sleeping more, you know, Yeah, you can find yourself
sleeping war you can find yourself only wanting to do
things during the daylight hours and then sometimes not even
really wanting to do anything, do anything during the daylight
hours either. Yeah. Jah, that is a really that is
(14:56):
a really really sophisticated look to it. You know what
I'm saying, Like that with heat, you have a higher
activity and anything that hooves down that means that you're
trying to preserve energy. So maybe that's your body telling
you it's time for me to preserves of energy.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, you know you hear what do they call this?
They normally call this time of year.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
It's becuffing baby making simpathy like you, but I need
your energy in the house. You get on my nerves
because of you, my God.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
But I'm honestly going to look at it like uh
like if you are in that cuddle or that cuffing,
that seasonal thing, maybe you're just trying to find a
warm body to give you back some you know what
I'm saying, to give you back some of your warm ya.
Come on, man, is on it he at a molecular level.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Does that minds more energy to move?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, it has more energy to move.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah. So I'm thinking yeah, So I'm thinking that those
are some of the signs and symptoms and probably just
if you really think about it, just like the general
symptoms of depression. You know what I'm saying, just just
being lethargic, just I'm not really wanting to move, not
really interested in anything, just literally dysfunctioning at like a
basis survival level, you know, like what am I going
(16:26):
to do in order to survive, to get to the
next day.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I gotta go to work. Gott I'm sad right now. Yeah,
I'm not in the mood. You don't like me, you
don't love me no more, you nevermore. You never asked
me how am I feeling? You never asked me. Want
some of my mind?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
We're doing all of that with seasonal effective disorder.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
A lot of suicide is during this time. And the
reason why feeling alone you're in the house, you don't
want it. First of all, you don't don't even want
to do anything. I don't want to do anything, and
you're living with somebody that you feel like is not
paying attention to you.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Oh dang, yeah, yeah, shots fired, oh.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Man, yeah, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
But it makes sense though, right, It makes sense because again,
you know, there is this drive towards pleasure, there's a
drive towards warmth, and so when.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You when you want what you want.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It's kind of you know, and this is the error
we're in, you know, where it's like gotta have it instantly,
needs to be like this, like fast.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And yeah, you mix in a little bit of entitlement
with that.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I could see why those thoughts would be produced because
the mood is going to produce the conversation. You're in
a bad mood, and so naturally when you're talking to yourself,
you're having these thoughts feed into the mood. The mood
is what's coloring your language right now. So all I
know is that I need warmth and you haven't given
(17:58):
it to me. And I know I didn't ask for it,
but you should have recognized. You should have noticed the change.
I noticed it, acknowledge you didn't pay attention to me.
It's just it's not it's not about it being rational.
You're just in your feelings. You're gonna but you have
to recognize.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
You feel this way.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And there's a truth about it, but you have to
be mindful of why you're feeling that way.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Neurochemical imbalance, Go ahead, No.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
I was just I'm just curious. I wonder if seasonal
effect the disorder also affects you physiologically, like does it
affect your body almost like depression and other things do
like you know, like you get body ain't like you
get Like you said, your.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Your serotonal level was one. You know, you're not getting
any dopamine. And you want to pick on habits that
you don't normally do when it's hot, you know, which
is eating a lot. You know what I'm saying. You
even start body shaming yourself. You really don't want to
do nothing. You don't want to move, don't want to
go to work your nerves. You know what is that noise? Well,
(19:04):
we can't start breathing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
So he said, youth.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, and you.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Gotta also think about it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
You know, this is still about survival, right, So what
would you normally do in a situation where where it's
really cold outside and there's food scarcity?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
What does the body do? What does the body do?
It conserves, It conserves what it eats.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Especially if it's like those carves and those fatty foods,
or what's holding on because on a psychological level, on
a very physiological level, like those instincts are kicking in,
Hey hold.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
On to this. It's the winter months.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
You know, there's less light outside and so friggering all
of that is being triggered and you have to be
aware of that. But what happens is you've been doing
it for so long you never questioned it, you never
evaluated it.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, Now, like I said in the beginning, only five
percent of Americans. The prevalence is five percent of Americans essentially, right,
So I mean that's still in the millions. You know,
we're still in the in the millions.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Right, But.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
There is a question as to why other people more
are more affected than others.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Go ahead, God Love, go ahead and check in and
check in with the.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
I just got it literally about an hour ago. I
am so sorry, I am late, I'm tardy. This is
not I'm not acting like a deva. This is things
people don't want to talk about on God level. Originally
from Saint Louis, Missouri. I'm my mother, I'm a nurse,
I'm ann, I'm a gigi, I'm a cousin, I'm a sister,
I'm a friend, i am everything good.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yeah, let's go, stephone, we're talking about sad. How it's
sad diagnosed.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Oh, I just know I have it.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
I just know that when I'm serious, I just know
that when wintertime comes, my energy level goes down. I
really don't want to get out the cold weather hits.
I know the holidays is slowly approaching. I get really
emotional during that time because I missed my family, my
(21:33):
mother and my grandmother. So yeah, it's it's I don't
like the snow.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I don't like the cold.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
It's too much, and it's dark. It's just seemed like
the where's the sun? Yeah, where's the sun?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Yeah I knew it.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, living in Cincinnati, Like I picked up on it, like, okay,
you know it's getting closer to that time of the year.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah, I did not know that. I didn't know that
that I was. I was looking at the topic and
I was like, I was like, okay. I was like,
we're gonna talk about sad. But I didn't know that
you that you experienced, you know, like Sheason effective, that's yeah,
that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Let's say this. There's no censorship for sad. So you
may have people that have are tuned in or even
listen to this and be like m hmm, maybe uh
that was last winter. I'm just I'm just saying it's possible.
(22:38):
You know, we we on this podcast, we do bring
up things that people don't normally talk about or regularly
talk about, or talk about at all. Right, you know,
so this could be an introduction to someone. Uh, that'd
be like, wait a minute, Tuesday, let me see, the
moon was right cycles right, but I didn't want to
(22:59):
go outside. I wanted to cook, but didn't feel like cooking.
I know I need to help my kids with homework,
but I didn't. I isolated myself and went to my room,
closed the door. You know, it's a lot of things
that's going on and lack of Like you say, the
sun isn't out, you're not receiving vitamin D. Now, we
do know this. In our culture, we be whack vitamin D,
(23:25):
heavily fat, heavily facts, you know a lot of us.
Even though during the summer summertimes we're still inside working
eight ten, twelve hours sometimes even sixteen, depends on where
you're at. So you're not even getting sun during the summertime,
(23:45):
you know. So, I mean, like I said, I'm just saying,
just putting something out there.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
No, you know, it's funny that you just I'm just
saying this. It's funny that you just said that, because
I'm thinking about it. I'm like, you know, in fact,
you got love. We've had lots of talks about how
about like a where just about awareness, just like having
the awareness of stuff is like a lot of times
in our communities and communities of melanation. I just made
(24:10):
it any work I wear in communities and melodated communities.
It's like sometimes we just don't necessarily have that awareness
because let's go ahead and keep this a bug. It's
like we don't necessarily have those hard conversations all the
time about things that are affecting us emotionally mentally.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
So yeah, so so even just like Jah is like
really male and Jah, y'all are keeping us like whooh.
And even Jade said this is something that she should
look into morow because you have children that might need
my understanding and their life experiences. Man, say that life
experience is different from other peoples, and sometimes you just
got to be aware, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
(24:46):
And awareness is like where where it begins? And you
know now that you just said that, I am wondering
because I looked at some of the some of the symptoms,
you know, because I be doctor googling my stuff, right
doctor Google. I was wondering if that affects neurodivergent people
a little differently, you know what I'm saying, because we
already got a lack of we already have a lack
(25:07):
of dopamine, and then if we're not getting vitamin D,
which you know converts into you know, assage, which can
convert into like, you know, the streams of dopamine. I'm
wondering if it affects us too. That is really interesting
and I wonder if if it if it affects you know,
(25:27):
melanated people of neurodivergence a little bit differently because we
got barriers to sign So I wonder if that affects us. Also,
you know, if you're Hispanic, or if you're if you're black,
or if you're you know, if you're Indian or whatever,
you know, like whatever, like if you just if you
have a lot of melon, and I wonder if that's impacting. Also,
you know your mail is tuning in, thank you now,
like now, I want to.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Clear something else up before we go further. So it
is seasonal effected disorder. This isn't winter blues. Okay, this
is not winter blues. Winter blues is a milder it's
a milder form of seasonal effective disorder. But there's two types. Okay,
(26:08):
it's summer and it's winter. So it's like, all right, well,
how could how could summer lead to some sort of depression?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Really?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Really again, think about this. During the summer, there's overexposure
to daylight. There's longer days, right, longer.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Days of sun.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Right, So again you have to think about how the
heat can disturb your sleep. Okay, agitation, irritability, anxiety.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
And then all of that disrupts your circadian rhythm.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Again, that word is very key here when it comes
to seasonal effective disorder. Right, these are your sleep cycles,
and we have what's called normal sleep cycles as it
occurs with the light. Are exposure to light naturally, our
body will us to go to sleep when it's stark out,
natural sleep naturally, Right.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But what happens if you have more sunlight? What is that?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
What is that signaling to your hypothalamust What is that signaling? Hey,
it's not time to.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Go to bay yet, but hey hold on now.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Usually we go to sleep like you're looking at the
time and you steal up like oh oh, I'm up
up right. So then there's the reduced melatonin right production
as a result of that exposure to life.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And then if you add in that condition with the
social stressor so, there's usually more social activity during the summer,
and those obligations could be overwhelming to someone who doesn't
have the energy to perform, and so that damages your
self concept because you're like, man, everybody's outside, and I
(27:53):
don't want to be outside.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I don't want to deal with nobody. I don't want it.
But it's summer. You don't want to be outside? Like,
get this sunlight? I got enough of it? You know,
I'm getting too much.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
That is crazy because I think, okay, cause week I
didn't even think about summertime. I didn't either, because okay,
once again, Seattle is Seattle? Is that who is different?
It's different out here? Right we Literally it doesn't start
getting dark over here until ten ten thirty at night.
It doesn't like during the summer, like it starts getting
darker earlier during these times, and then like it starts
(28:30):
getting darker later. So it's almost like what do they
call the Alaskan like like Alaskan nights, where like you
didn't have sunlight through the whole entire day. We literally
it starts getting darker ten thirty for us, and it
starts getting light again at five am. So you only
got seven hours during the summertime. Seven hours is dark.
And if you're really used to, like, you know, like
(28:52):
sleeping a little bit more, oh man, that can throw
off your circadian rhythm.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And so in this right, so we're just you know,
we've been describing it, describing it and describing it, so
it's not fully understood where it comes from, right, Yeah,
plenty of researchers are still trying to figure it out.
There's a few theories, right. Some of it is genetic, Okay,
(29:22):
some of it is genetic. I want you to just
consider our ancestors. Where were they living in the past,
what kind of environments were they living in cold environments
or were they living in temperate environments, because in temperate environments,
the seasons are different. In cold environments, you get shorter
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days of daylight, you're exposed to more cold.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Do you think a human is supposed to endure that
much cold?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
But you have ancestors that have endured all of that cold,
all of that harsh environment, right, and yeah, you adapt it.
But what's to say that, you know, you move away
from that and you developed sad not because you intentionally
wanted to, not because, but because of your predecessors. You
(30:12):
so genetic predisposition. That is one way in which you
can get sad.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Oh wow, oh.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Come on, come on night mm hmm. I love it. Yeah,
it's that time. The song has the oh.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Everybody, some did, some did, some didn't.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
My depersonal word reply when you go to play and
it's white out and you get out in a big
black man.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
That's right, man colla, yeah it listen me. She's from
the PNW two. That's my that's my adopted daughter. But yeah, no, seriously,
like it's like it, Oh my goodness, I didn't even
I didn't think about, like I didn't think about how
much it affects like a little bit of everything. And
(31:19):
like maybe we weren't supposed to migrate if you really
think about it, Like like the the Americans that were
natives to the United States, they migrated, they stayed in
a migratory and a migratory state, So maybe they did
that because you know.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Okay, who is that?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Does that mean?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
That's you?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Ivy?
Speaker 5 (31:44):
It's okay, come back when you get it done, okay,
super loud it was. We're good now, she's good. Now
she's gonna fix fix it. I like dark days though.
I love you?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Who is Miya?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Love you?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Mama?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Love you too?
Speaker 4 (32:01):
That's my adopted daughter.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Oh how many I got credit? I have several adopt men.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, but she was talking mm hmm, okay, shots not fire.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
I know you know, I know, I know who developed
SAT more women than me? And and why women? I
love you too, see, she said, I love you all?
(32:45):
Thank god, I said women.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, but why why?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Why?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I can only speak I don't see a lot of men.
I well, am I really paying attention?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
No, I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
So you know what I really can't say. I just
know I feel it. I've talked to other women who
go through it, but I have yet to run across
a man who feels this way during the winter time.
Why we're going to be more effective.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Emotional hormonal differences, Okay, hormonal differences, We'll just say hormone
different differences.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Biology like me.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
And mask that depression a lot. Yeah, they do there.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It is now there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
So in terms of the literature, right, if we were
to look for statistics, we're gonna see the numbers lean
towards the women, right. But there's a reporting bias here.
What I mean by that is women are more likely
to talk about the fact that they got seasonal depressed
affective disorder than men. Women are more likely to talk
about it, and therefore report men.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Are less likely.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
So it doesn't mean that we ain't experiencing it, we
just ain't talking about it.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Right, Okay, we're just not talking about it.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I was just getting ready to say that. I was like,
how many men out here being like, man, yo, my
seasonal effective disorders mess in New York here Because.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And even with that same candor the same voice, you're
probably like, I don't really care year, So so why
would we take the time off to say, man, I'm
not saying all. I'm saying all, but who cares?
Speaker 5 (34:49):
You're a man?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I'm saying social norm who cares you're a man? Keep
it moving? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Want this.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
No, because it's the reason why we care. Because look
at the number of suicides. If you really go there,
if you really get down to it, we're gonna talk
about their depressions and stuff, right because you're like, because
we're that nurture.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
But if a man is feeling down, like once he
gets past the oh dude, blah blah blah blah blah,
he's gonna be like, I want out, I'm done, you
know what I'm saying. And he is quicker. He is
quicker to take a let's go ahead and keep this
a book. He's quicker to take the forty five and
be like, I'm gonna go ahead and handle this to
myself my way. That's why we do care because it's man,
(35:34):
you know, because we don't want y'all gone. So I
love him. No, I'm saying, I'm like, I'll cut it out.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
That's a whole other topic. I am O.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Man, I'm just saying if somebody, if my brother comes
to me and tells me, AYO, I'm feeling some type
of way, and I really don't know, you know what
I'm saying, Like these seasons got me effected. What we're
about to do, We about to work it out this constant.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Well, let's be honest this part. Most men don't even
know what we talk about. Right now, let's talk about
that let's go to first. So even if you did
bring it up here, I'll be like, ma'am, I ain't
even got time because you're talking over my head. You're
not even talking to me or with me, you're talking
over my head. So matter of fact, let me get
back to it.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
And that's not somebody you can trust. That's not somebody
you can ride in. And that's not somebody you want
in your team. That's not somebody you want your drive.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Now, this is a whole entire different topic. Were about
to start to. No, it's not time yet. It's not
time yet, right, it's not time yet. Who is going
to hold space? Because we already had that talk. Who
is going to hold space?
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Is There's one other large core belief here, and it's
it's a belief that's presented as an expectation, all right,
But this is a core belief here presented as an expectation,
as social expectation.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Even when we're hurt, even when we're wounded, we're expected
to have the answers. We're expected to be able to
still solve the problems. We're expected to still be able
to go on. We're expected to be tough, you know.
So it because things got to happen, and so you
(37:11):
have to be resilient. We say resilient, but we're saying
really tolerant. You have to be able to tolerate your
own suffering, not necessarily do anything about it because she's.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Not going to come with a solution. He's got to
figure that out. It's his problem.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
So we're saying here it's a core belief to the man,
but it's a expectation. Now we are identifying the somewhat
exceptions here. The exceptions are the women that do home
space and says, oh no, I see you as a
human being and it makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Those are actually the exceptions. That's not the norm.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
We're talking about exceptional women here. Even though that should
the exceptional women should be the norm, they're not. Because
this is our culture. It doesn't matter what the race
of the man is. Okay, we already know this. We
already made these observations, and so it's just it's one
of those social problems that we know the answers to,
but everybody does not want to put it into practice.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Require it's too much work. I don't have time to
work on him like that.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
You know, that's it's social conditioning. It's social conditioning. And
you know that's just where we're at as a society.
That's just where we're at.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Oh oh come on, John, I got.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Yeah, yeah, you know this is good.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
The exceptional women.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, the exceptional women are challenging the status quo. That's
what I'm saying here. So yeah, those women are doing
it right. But the other women, and you can try
to teach the other women, they're gonna be mad at you.
They're gonna be jealous, they're gonna smite you.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Ain't tell me that.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
How dare you tell me that I'm not treating my
husband with love and respect by giving him How.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Dare you tell me that? Yeah, that's in the boundary
victims right again.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Ay, we talked about it, victim culture, right, don't hold
anybody accountable, you know.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Listen, I'll get you. Get to a tribe. I'm sorry,
I just like completely to stir get to a tribe.
If you don't have people in your life who are
helping to push against those those struggles and those strongholds
and those things that are holding you captive that you
don't have illumination on, and you just need to peek
into it to plant the seed and be like, hey,
(39:40):
bro Asis, you know what I'm saying. You might want
to take a look at this challenging area at your life.
If your ego is if you don't have those people
who can challenge your ego enough to rise you to
the next place, get you a tribe. Both, get you
a tribe. My three right here, you feel what I'm saying,
and a couple of them over here in this in
this common box. I'm gonna shut up. God love it.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
I just want to piggyback off of what Ivy was
just saying. You gotta have good people in your corner.
As me and my I ain't gonna lie. Me and
my sister back in Houston kind of bump pegs a
little bit and she said, okay, right now, this is
me and Ivy talking.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Now.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
She said, I needed you to be curious why does
she feel this way? And I'm just like, you know,
because I ain't gonna lie. Sometimes it could it could
be like boom boom. She's like, I just need you
to I had to step out of my feelings and
be curious and look at it from a different perspective.
(40:47):
And then she hit it right on the note. She
was like, Okay, I need you to look at it
like this, because I was still trying to hold on it.
She said no, no, she said, that's your your daughter.
She explains, you reminded me what happened. I told her
a story about what happened with my daughter and how
she came home, and she was crying because things are
(41:08):
not moving as fast as she want them to, or
she doesn't see any type of movements, so they are
too of the same. And that's all they both wanted
was just confirmation. Even though I keep everything up in
my head, I don't write it down, I know what
I'm getting ready to do, and I know it's gonna
(41:28):
get done. Some people in your life you gotta communicate
that too. They can't read your mind. So the next
day I called her. That morning, we ended up talking
on the phone for like four hours. I said, Okay,
I need for you to explain to me what is
it that you need for me. And that's how I
(41:51):
open up that conversation and we're good. Instead of allowing
it the faster and be like, oh my god, you
know just I'm trying to say a lot but not
say too much. You know, and if it wasn't for
having a conversation with Ivy, I don't think I would
have ever did that. I do not I think I
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would have probably.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Like conflict resolution con.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
You know you yeah, a lot of people focus on
the conflict part and not the resolution.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, conflict. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
And so Ivey was able to give you the space
to say, all right, hey, let's evaluate your feeling. Okay,
now let's remove the feeling and let's solve the problem.
Ivey's saying, Hey, it's okay, you had this feeling, right,
but you know, the feeling is just.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Telling you that an experience happened. What you know, You've
got a whole relationship over here. What are you going
to do about this? Though? What are you going to
do about the problem? Is this not your feelings?
Speaker 5 (43:01):
Yeah, it's this I And stepping out of my feelings
sometimes can be just a bit difficult because.
Speaker 7 (43:12):
Be curious, challenge that challenge that right now, be curious. Yeah,
I'm like, okay, I whatever, But.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
You know something the thing is is that I listen
to a mental health professional, right like even even talk
about any of them, any of the disorders, you know
what I'm saying, or even just like just like having
even having conflict, right. She says that mental illness is confusion.
You can pretty much like solve it up to confusion.
So even when it comes to trying to resolve conflicts
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about your emotions and that your feelings or whatever, it's
because you have confusion between what it is that you
feel or how you feel that you should be acting
right and then what it is is that actually needs
to happen in order to get a good resolution. So
even when we talk about depression, right, mental mental health,
sometimes man, it's it's confusion about what's going on in
(44:12):
your body. What Sometimes it can be as it could
be as simple as what chemical do I need? Not chemical?
What nutrient am I missing from my body that I
need to replenish in it? That's that I don't have
right now? That's got me feeling this way, You understand
what I'm saying, Like, sometimes it's that simple, but people
(44:32):
don't want to step outside of being like, oh I
got it, yo, I'm all right, I'm a right, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
I mean that's when people sound like that, what people
sound like that was intimidating, right, I mean not intimidating.
I can take I I don't know, because you should.
I don't know, So my bad.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
That is my general my general imitation.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
So we need to sit out on the couch and
talk about that.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Listen, I'm not gonna lie to you. But like most
of the time, that's my that's my general imitation of
my brothers. I love my brothers that but I'd be like, hey,
like my brother's brothers look like my blood brothers. And look,
Mail said, I do. Mail is ruggish, stuggish about I'm
playing you're not the rights stuggars about. She's a whole
Reichy healer. So I'm just gonna leave a lot. No, man,
I'm just saying, like for real, I'm like like, I'm
(45:22):
just saying like, that's that's the I kind of feel
like that's the impersonation of the attitude that like takes
you away from from kind of looking you know, that
might be challenging, you know, so maybe that's my Maybe
that's my impersonation of that. I'm gonna be quiet because,
you know, take a lot so I could talk a
whole bunch. Oh what is some remedies?
Speaker 5 (45:42):
Girl?
Speaker 3 (45:42):
You were one of the remedies is to know you
even even diagnosed with said that's a remedy within itself.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
And by the way, we didn't cover the diagnostic material
and you know, comprehensively at least, but I want to
throw out that one key element of the diagnostic criteria
is that you had to have reported at least two
consecutive years, because everybody doesn't have.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
SAD every year.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
The onset like, Okay, you had it in twenty twenty,
you didn't see it again until twenty twenty four. Maybe
it's very specific, you know, maybe it's something happened in
that season and it just so happens to be in
the season, and so you correlated it. Right, So you
have to rule out a few things. You have to
(46:33):
rule out a few things like anemia. You could become
anemic and think, oh shoot, I have SAD, right, but
if you do a lab that'll rule that out. So
we got to make sure that you know if you're serious,
if you're serious, right, So there's levels to it. If
it's if it's serious and severe, you're having that joint
(46:56):
every year and you recognize.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
It, you feel it, YEA.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
If given the caveat that you're self aware and you
actually care about how you feel, like you notice like yo,
I'm usually up up, up and now mm hmm okay,
uh start deducting, start deducing. Okay, it can't be that eliminate.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
That can't be that. It's gotta be it's gotta be
this remedies.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
You gotta get active, you gotta get active, you gotta
you gotta get that blood flowing.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
What are some remedies that treat said I'm so glad
that you said that because the fact that we have
a seasonal effective disorder or depression. Uh, a person who
has that, who's also a reiki healer, who is on
our comments mail. See, I didn't even know mail. You
didn't even put your own game. Because I'm thinking right now,
(47:51):
maybe the reason why you got into reiky healing is
because it is because of it, Ricky, I'm sorry about
but I'm just thinking, like for real, I know the
semantic healing, like sematic sematic therapy, like moving like like
moving like that helps you know, like if you get
(48:12):
like the blood flowing in your body, having a lava
lamp or or a sunlight lamp by your by your bed. Yeah,
I keep one. I keep one because I'm ADHD and
I'm always like dopamine deficient, so I keep one near
my bad too. Yeah, and I'm in the PMW, so yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
That work.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
Explain to them what PMW is.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
That's the Pacific Northwest. I am so sorry. That is
basically which I'm just sad. Like light therapy, Yeah, light
therapy definitely, I mean, because you know, it's like they
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your body is missing that vitamin.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
But also some therapy that's light. So some light therapy
as well.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, some light therapy and then some So tell me
how you feel therapy just a little bit like like.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Not heavy, just like because it's just for the season.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
Tell me. I need to come see her this summer.
Speaker 4 (49:22):
Listen. She don't even know we're about to talk after
the show.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
We really are.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
I need to come see I need to make an appointment.
I heard those things are intense. I need you to Yeah,
the full package whatever that consists of. Yeah, she said.
(49:48):
I start receiving Riki to help me with my grief
and eventually felt called by God to learn and do
a ceremony. I definitely want one. I definitely you want one.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Girl.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
Pull out all this trauma, pull it out and put
it on the table and yeah, I'm serious. I heard
that stuff is no joke. When they get to work
in with your hips because hips, trauma lives in the hips,
and when they move that hip a certain way, the terrors.
Is it that release, honey, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
I've seen videos. I was like, Yeah, we're gonna talk
after the show. May Yeah, I'm giving you out. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (50:32):
And to answer John's question, vitamins, some vitamin D, Vitamin D.
Get you some exercise. Get out as much as you
can in the daylight if you can. You don't have
to go out when it's really really cold, because that's
when you actually run back in. But if the temperature
is bearable, take you a walk, keep moving family friends,
(51:00):
I want to surround yourself with them, keep your spirit up,
you know, and.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
Do it gracefully and the resolved the conflict happens.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
I just what nobody saying. I'm gonna say it right here.
Can't nobody beat me in spades?
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Do you hear me?
Speaker 5 (51:21):
I hate? I'm sorry, can't nobody beat me? And whoever
I choose to partner up with in spades?
Speaker 4 (51:30):
Did I just find a new partner Carria?
Speaker 5 (51:33):
Because no, I am okay. When i I'm telling you now,
then we need to be partners now. Oh yeah, because
when I sit down, I tell people I warned them.
When I sit down, Hey, I get comfortable, I'm not getting.
Speaker 4 (51:58):
Okay. Hey ever, we're gonna talk the other renette, We're
gonna talk too, because yeah, yes, how does not know
how to play?
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Even if it is cold outside, find somebody to challenge
you to go outside and push through the cold. Oh,
find somebody to hold you accountable. Find somebody, Find somebody
to help you, hold yourself to a different standard, a
different standard, cold heat, it don't matter. Just find somebody
to push you.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
I got I gotta say this right. Some people think
that it is like western woo woo mumbo jumbo, a
little like you know, I guess gnolaly type stuff when
you when you start talking about mindfulness and breathing right
and be like okay, I can breathe. Yeah, da da
da da da. But there are proven studies that the
(52:48):
dorso vaguel nerve, which is accounting for most of your
for most of like your your inflammation in your body,
also like that whole entire like gut brain connection to
like affect all of your mental health. It is strengthened
and recycled, like like by recycling air through your body
like it strengthens it like the Barians breath.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, breathinarians.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah yeah, seriously what Yeah, you meditate, you breathe, and
you allow your chakras, you bring up your energy.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
Say it again, Cordel.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
These are individuals who just live off of just breathing. Breathing, breathing. Yeah,
that's that's it's out.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
There are And yeah, I don't even breathe on the full.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Yeah we do, we do not, we do about twenty
three and we're not even going to talk about the
fact that, depending on where you stay in the are
is contaminated. So sad. How many times are you really taking.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
A deep breath and come on, Living by the water helps,
Going by water helps. I'm letting out in nature helps.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
I've hugged the tree. It wasn't as bad as I
thought it was gonna be. I just we were driving past,
and I was just like, just mind your business, people,
Just mind your business.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
You really discharge people. Don't even think about walking breath
for it. You really discharge.
Speaker 5 (54:31):
Can I share when it would rain during the summer,
you know that little light rain especially at night, I
would literally jump out of bed and go stand barefoot
in the grass in the rain and literally pretend that
my soul was being washed and asking the earth to
(54:53):
pull that negative energy out of mean.
Speaker 4 (54:56):
Yeah, let me tell you something, right, people think, Okay,
that reminds me. I have a friend who used to
remind me, like called me once a year and used
to remind you remember when we used to go dancing
and running in the rain d D da da da,
And I think about it, that was some of the
happiest time of my life. And the reason being is
because I was more connected. Well, and now I'm connected
(55:17):
back to nature, but I was connected to nature and
I was unafraid to play, you know what I'm saying,
To round myself and to play. I think that those
are that's also a remedy that would that would possibly
help with sayd you know, just getting into a place
of being present when you're in. When you're present, you're
not thinking about what's in the what's in the future,
what's in the past. I think that then you can
(55:39):
actually stay president enough to play and be happy, find joy,
find gratitude moments, yeah, and be able to breathe everything
in like literally created.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Miss Tawner. You're always connected. You just didn't take the
time off to acknowledge the distractions. Distractions, distructions, a little bit,
more distractions and more more distractions. Lying, Yeah, you've always
been connected. Just got to flip the strip, the switch
and just realign yourself with it.
Speaker 4 (56:08):
Is it DAGs. Yeah, that's a good way to look
at it. That's true. Yeah, yeah, we are all you know,
like that whole Oh my goodness. Remember when we had
that show when that guy came on and he basically
he just took over and talked about how we're so
interconnected and like everything is cont like humanity is completely connected.
We're connected to their urg to the like, to the nature,
like everything, like everything is so connected. Then I watched
(56:32):
the show that talked about the science behind it, and
I was like, oh, I definitely believe that. But some
people choose not to flip that switch and to tune
into it, and that's like, you know what I'm saying,
Like they're disconnected to their true nature.
Speaker 5 (56:44):
My I hear you. I was just reading about this
in the book. Left hemisphere is the separation logic, Right
hemisphere is spiritual is knowing that we are all connected. Yeah,
(57:04):
we're separated. You're there, I'm here, but we're still connected.
You gotta put them together.
Speaker 4 (57:18):
Come on, I'm telling you, Oh man, they have the
shoes off and have direct contact.
Speaker 5 (57:24):
With the connection over everything. Yes, man, yeah, so true.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
Then that leads me to to think the people who
maybe like are suffering from seasonal effective disorder, maybe that's
like a chance to like, you know, like reconnect that.
You know what I'm saying, like, okay, all right, hold on,
I'm just gonna go show with what mel just said.
But it maybe yeah, maybe that's maybe that is a
signal to go reconnect with like with really like lots
(57:54):
of nature, you know, like maybe that's the thing saying,
you know, like like connect with it even more.
Speaker 5 (58:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (58:00):
I'm just throwing stuff out. I'm throwing stuff out and
see him something.
Speaker 5 (58:03):
I don't see it. I don't see why not Yeah yeah,
why oh my god, saying oh thank you ma'am.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Yeah, thank you ma'am. I can't I really, I'm gonna
call you after this podcast. I'm about ten fifteen minutes.
Speaker 5 (58:20):
Okay, all right, I got to go back to my job.
I forgot to do so so I forgot to put
an order in.
Speaker 4 (58:30):
That. Okay, Oh my gosh, thank you so much, mail.
This has been great. I'm so glad that you chimed in,
so glad that you charmed in. Yeah, anybody else, I'm
just saying, anybody out there watching or listening, you know,
do you have any experiences with seasonal effective disordered depression,
(58:51):
you know anything, any experiences from it that you want
to share. I've only had I've only heard two people
in my lifetime now and Renee, you're a level. You're
the second one actually say that they they experience.
Speaker 5 (59:05):
It hasn't hit me hit me yet, but I know
it's coming. It's it's a I did good for for Thanksgiving.
Thanksgiving we actually renamed the Homecoming. But Christmas is this month,
so mmm, I can't wait till January the first, and
(59:27):
I know that the sun is it's coming. It's coming,
like yeah, I'm just dreading it right now. Yeah, that
was good. The night was good. Thank you. Sorry I
was late.
Speaker 4 (59:43):
I was just about to say you all time.
Speaker 5 (59:48):
Next week we're just going to do a Q and
a why because we're going to be off the last
two weeks in December and we don't come back until
next month, January the seventh. Thank you Renee. I want
to learn. Oh so, yeah, we're gonna do what we
(01:00:12):
usually do, a Q and A every often. No, you're
gonna ask us questions.
Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Yes, hey, how about you guys come in and talk
about what topics you want to.
Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
Talk about that part?
Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Yeah, yes, come in and tell us something about yourself.
You know what I'm saying. I mean, because y'all know
you were talking every week. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
What do y'all do this next week? We're doing gender
Wars in January.
Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
I'm gonna put myself on mute.
Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
It's a lot then, and we're gonna do it for
the whole month of January.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
So that's just a sneak peek, just a sneak peak.
But next week we're just gonna do a Q and
A because we're going on vacation for the last two
weeks of December. You know it is, I'm really big
on family. Gender Wars is intense, Yes, it is. I'm
really big on family. So the next two weeks, the
(01:01:24):
last two weeks is we would have fell on Christmas Eve,
New Year's Eve, spend time with your family, love, reconnect, honor, appreciate, gratitude, thankfulness,
you know, set those intentions for the new year and
what you want to experience. Put that out there and
just have time to look back on the year and
(01:01:48):
just be thankful that, hey, you're still here. Number one,
you're still here. You're still here, You're still fighting with
a good fight. Other than that, I want to thank
everyone for coming in on tonight's lives. Do y'all have
anything y'all want to say before we close out?
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
We appreciate everybody for joining in and supporting us as
well as we support you. Be here next week Tuesday,
seven p m.
Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
I really don't think if you're still watching, I don't
think that we like we expressed that enough, like and
that you guys watching, I don't think you guys understand
how much we truly appreciate y'all tuning in on Tuesdays,
having these conversations with us, having these hard conversations with us,
you know, like commenting, sharing your opinions, you know, like
just like like seriously building connecting like that means a
(01:02:44):
lot because you take time out of your Tuesday to
stop and be like, you know something, Let me see
what these four people, these these four beautiful faces, have
to say about X, Y and Z topic. That's just
that is familiar raarity, that is connection that we don't
have a whole bunch of. And I'm pretty sure I
speak for everybody. We thank you, we thank you, we
(01:03:07):
thank you, thank you for supporting and keep coming back.
Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
Sure there you go. Okay, twenty twenty five, we're gonna
swat that off with a bang. Hold on, hold on, John,
you got me.
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