#56 The FBI Doesn’t Hit Record — And That’s the Point

For decades, the FBI refused to record interviews — relying instead on handwritten notes and “302” summaries. Even after a 2014 policy change, the loopholes remain. In this episode, Jim Detjen unpacks why the Bureau prefers its own version of the truth, how that opens the door to poetic truth and gaslighting, and what it means when the “official record” isn’t actually the record.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Imagine this You're in a small plain room, the kind
where the thermostat is alwaysset to slightly uncomfortable.
Across the table, two FBIagents.
They've got questions, you'vegot answers, and here's the
twist.
There's no microphone, nocamera, just the scratch of a
pen and the soft click of aballpoint as they write their

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version of what you said.
The most important words you'llever speak are now being
rewritten by someone else.
This is Think First, where wedon't follow the script.
We question it Because in aworld full of poetic truths and
professional gaslighting,someone's got to say the quiet

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part out loud.
You might assume the FBI recordseverything.
Movies make it look that way,red light on the tape deck the
whole law and order vibe.
But historically they almostnever did.
For decades the Bureau usedsomething called a 302 form.
It's basically a writtensummary of an interview done by

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the agents afterward.
Not word for word, not atranscript.
It's the agents' interpretation, what they thought mattered,
how they decided to phrase itand what they left out why?
Well, recording technology usedto be bulky, unreliable and a
logistical headache.
But once technology got smallerand cheaper, the FBI still

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didn't change, because by thenthe 302 system wasn't just a
habit, it was useful.
A written summary gives theBureau control Control over tone
, Control over context, controlover the official version of
events.
No awkward pauses or accidentalslips for a defense attorney to

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play in court, no backgroundnoise that might suggest the
witness was nervous, confused orpressured, just a clean,
authoritative narrative authoredby the people building the case
.
In 2014, the Department ofJustice announced a policy
change In most federal cases,custodial interrogations would

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now be recorded.
It sounded like reform, but thefine print Big exceptions.
Non-custodial interviews, likemost FBI witness interviews,
could still go unrecorded.
National security casesDiscretion allowed.
Technical difficulties Also anacceptable excuse.
So today, in plenty ofhigh-profile FBI interviews,

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there's still no video, no audio, just the 302.
Meaning if you disagree withthe Bureau's summary of your own
words, good luck proving it.
This is where poetic truthslides in.
The FBI can present the 302 asthe truth, official, typed and
formatted with that letterheadauthority.

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It feels accurate, it lookscomplete, but it's not the truth
as it happened.
It's the truth as interpretedand edited by someone else, and
that's the part we rarely thinkabout.
We're trained to trust the sealat the top of the page more
than the fallible memory of awitness.
It also means if your memoryand their record don't match,

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it's you who must be mistaken.
And that is how you turn adisagreement into a credibility
problem.
So here's the real question Iftruth is worth finding, isn't it
worth recording?
Or maybe, in some rooms, truthisn't something you find, it's
something you make.
So next time the FBI wants toget your side of the story, just

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remember they're not hittingrecord, they're ghostwriting it
and, like most ghostwriters,they're not putting your name on
the cover.
You don't need all the answers,but you should question the
ones you're handed.
Until next time, stay skeptical, stay curious and always think
first.