May 6, 2025 • 32 mins
Join us for Episode 5 of the ThinkBiz.Solutions Podcast featuring our very own Nolan Clay Rogers! Nolan takes us deep into his fascinating background, from growing up in Missouri and his early love for reading to how he developed a unique practice centered around meaning-making. He explains how he uses ancient traditions, including Hellenistic astrology originating from Sumeria, Babylon, and Egypt, to help people recenter themselves as the source of their own warmth, life, and gravity. Unlike modern, psychologized approaches, Nolan embraces the full spectrum of life represented by traditional concepts like the "malefic" planets Mars and Saturn. Learn why the first question in his sessions is always "What do you want most?" and how clarifying your desires and values is the essential starting point for navigating life's challenges.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:01):
What
SPEAKER_00 (00:14):
is up, everyone?
Today is an incredible day, andI will tell you why.
We have Nolan as our guesttoday, not just a co-host, but
also Our actual podcast guest.
You make me feel so special,Garrett.
So, so special.
It's going to be a fantastictime going through and hearing
(00:36):
about all the different thingsthat you do, man.
We will do our best, my goodsir.
Now the hot seat's on me and Idon't just get to be jovial and
loquacious as my normal self.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Those words just light us offstraight away.
Oh, I tell you what, though.
I woke up this morning and Idon't know if you're a rain guy.
(00:57):
But it was raining outside, andI was just, I was hyped.
I knew it was going to be a goodday.
I love the rain.
Oh, yeah.
It was solid.
Especially whenever it's just anice pitter-patter.
It's not super torrential.
Yes.
We just get a good squashweather, as Braveheart would
say.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
Yeah.
If I tried my Braveheartimpression, I think, I mean,
you're mic'd up, so the laughingwould be very...
evident, you know.
Right.
Yeah, everyone will know if it'sfunny or not.
Man, okay.
Well, let's...
(01:36):
What do we do with ourselves?
Oh, man.
We've only been in thissituation one other time.
And it was my awkward self atthat point.
Pish posh, pish posh.
Well, so this can kind of bringme to a little bit of kind of
what I do is I...
founded my business a little biton trying to solve these types
of problems for people of eitherawkward personalities.
(02:00):
Well, that's what we claim.
That's the story where Garrettis currently telling himself
about the personality, and wecan work on that if you would
like to.
But it's the understanding thateverything that I sell, my
services, anything else I do forpeople, I need it for myself.
Starting out.
So I don't do anything forclients that I haven't needed or
(02:22):
I haven't purchased at one timeor another.
And generally, I tend topurchase it for myself on a
quarterly basis.
Nice.
Because we all need a gut check.
And that's been kind of theweird thing, hanging out with
the networking group and justimproving who I'm around and the
business owners that I've comeinto contact with is
understanding that basicallywhat I do is church.
Yeah.
(02:43):
I had to swallow my crow on thata number of weeks ago.
It's just like, oh, right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(03:10):
That's always the best startingplace.
Oh, my goodness.
I cannot wait to dig into thismore.
Before we dive straight into allthe different things that you're
up to today, tell us your story,man.
Where did you start off at withall of this?
How did you get into theprofession that you're in today?
Jeepers, Barnes.
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That started off being a goodlittle born Missouri boy.
Oh, I didn't know you were fromMissouri.
Yep.
Been border ruffian betweensouthwest Missouri and northwest
Arkansas all my life untilmoving to Oklahoma about five
years ago.
Very nice.
It's drier out here.
It's not less hot, but it isslightly drier, so it doesn't
melt quite so bad.
But, I mean...
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Growing up, good littlenon-denominational Protestant
boy at Notch Community Church.
Yeah.
Right next to Silver DollarCity.
I mean, I was exposed toeverybody and everything.
Problem was, by the time I gotto churches outside of my home
church, well, apparently I wasvery good at arguing with the
Sunday school teachers.
They'd bring me out to myparents and say, he's very
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opinionated.
To which my parents wouldrespond, yeah, but was he wrong?
And they would...
exasperatedly sigh and say, no,he wasn't.
He wasn't wrong.
He wasn't wrong.
So, I've always had a fondnessfor reading pieces of paper and
ink of any flavor.
And I've been fairly decent atbeing able to digest and process
them from a very young age.
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So it was always fun to be ableto be sitting there in church
and you'd be flipping throughthe Bible and it's like, oh, see
these different verses for otherthings.
I'm like, oh, that's halfwayacross the Bible.
I wonder why that's relevant.
And so the preacher would be offdoing something up on the
podium, whatever he was actuallytalking about.
I don't know.
And I'd just be flipping backand forth and basically teaching
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myself how to use Wikipedia fromthe time I was about seven.
Because it's just gianthyperlinked text.
And that's how I formed most ofmy neural connections from an
early age is realizing that,huh, so everything's connected
to everything else somehow.
We just don't know how yet.
Cool.
So I was constantly selectingfor all of those connections.
(05:16):
Yeah.
I think that's a, that's a skillthat is like, you can't, you
almost can't buy nowadays.
Like it's, it's something thateveryone needs to, and it's,
it's almost connected to justbeing Plain old critical
thinking.
How do we make connectionsbetween concepts and actually
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understand context behind all ofthe different things, even if
it's spread over, in the casethat you're talking about, long
periods of time?
How do things connect acrossmanuscripts?
How do they even connect acrosscultures?
Exactly.
(06:00):
Very cool.
Okay, so what happened next?
Well, the what happened next wasa combination of things.
One was being homeschooled for acouple years just because mom
and dad were tired of theelementary school-ness.
Gifted and talented programsdon't really actually shake out
to be that.
They're more special privilegesfor the upper middle class.
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You smart.
You smart.
Well done.
We'll get to that eventually.
I would argue I'm just a veryverbose redneck.
That's all I am.
I'll still blow up Tanner Wrightwith the best of them.
I just like to use big wordswhile I express my joy.
That's fair.
But it's more just the problemof been in and out of different
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schools, saw all sorts ofdenominations of churches
growing up, just read profusely.
I mean, there's nothing thatreally stopped me from learning
whatever I wanted to learn,really.
And then we come in contact withCalvinism in practice, right?
in about junior year of highschool.
That was at the point Irealized, huh, I think I'm
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reading from a different bookthan everybody else.
Because it had never dawned onme as to why everybody else had
issues with Christian doctrineand theology and blah, blah,
blah.
Because I'd always been justlearning and studying on my own.
It's like, oh, well, this iswhat this word means.
This is the definition.
This is the etymology.
So obviously this sentence meansthis.
And then when you come intocontact with people who have
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vastly different vastlydifferent interpretations of
doctrine, you're like, oh, wait,I get it now.
I understand why people haveissues with people of different
belief sets because theinterpretation game is a really,
really deadly slope to get on.
Hermeneutics.
We invented a whole thing, notjust for religion or diligent,
(07:47):
but there's this whole...
sections of hermeneuticsdedicated to that but yeah
unfortunately they just skip tothe hermeneutics yeah and skip
over this like but how do weknow yeah and why do we know we
know things the deeperexistential epistemology and
ontology yeah yes we're makingknowledge claims but how can we
(08:08):
back those up And that'ssomething that I come across in
my business every day.
They're not even to thehermeneutics.
They're not even to the problemof, well, what does this
sentence mean?
A lot of people just don't evenhave basic understanding of what
I took for granted is children'sstories.
Growing up, every Sunday andevery Wednesday night.
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And I just have to tell peoplestories every day because we
can't get to an understandingof, well, how do we know things?
What do we know is true when...
People just need better stories.
I mean, as a marketer, I, thisis something that I think
everyone needs is we often willgo straight in for, you know,
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like a sale or, or we will tryand just, you know, be super,
super direct with, with zerosales.
nuance and we forget that one ofour core jobs as business owners
is to is to be a part of ouraudience's story and to be able
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to stay in their mind and helpthem learn in a way that they
can understand.
Exactly.
Stories, such a big way.
And so you use that every singleday with what you do.
All day, every day.
I can't turn whatever part of mybrain, heart, hand, interface
does this whole thing because itjust doesn't stop.
I can, what was it?
(09:37):
Oh, my baby girl, whenever...
My mom, her grandma, was herefor a couple weeks or so, just a
month or two ago.
We were watching Super MarioBros.
because I put it on and she waslike, ooh, that looks fun.
I was like, okay, fine, I'll putit on for you, baby girl.
I've got no problem with ChrisPratt.
Let's go.
But then I got to actuallylooking at it and watching it
(09:58):
and I'm like, Oh man, this is agreat allegory for different
things.
And I was able, and I wasunpacking for my mom as things
went on.
It's like, oh, so this is, theseare all the different stories
and different mythologies thatare being symbolized by this
character.
Here's the ancient Romantraditions that this is speaking
to.
And then, and here's where thestorytelling goes off the rails
and it's no longer following acohesive structure that would be
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satisfying for the audience toend on.
And not to mention...
Beaches, beaches, beaches,beaches, beaches.
Okay, yeah, we're going to stop.
Otherwise, we're just going tokeep, we're going to go the
whole rest of the time.
No, that's an incrediblejourney.
And I think one of the thingsthat makes what you do powerful
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is that you have spent time tounderstand people.
so much literature and you havelearned a lot of culture and,
and you've taken time, not justto, to, you know, especially in
like a, this spiritual world, weare so often to talk at other
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people as opposed to listen.
And especially when it comes tolike storytelling is, is a way
in which like people, we digesthistory too.
And so in order to be able to dothat effectively, you've just
taken in a lot of, of really,um, you know, what I would
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imagine to be fascinating stuff.
Well, it's a, there's a, it'ssix, one half dozen.
The other is fascinating and madis, is what I would say because,
um, Like you're talking about isbeing able to talk at people.
I realized really early onwhenever I started doing this
and actually charging for it,like people have been begging me
for forever, I realized reallyquickly that, okay, I'm going to
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have a lot of different peoplecome across my doorstep.
So how about I just startsessions off by saying, I check
my spirituality at the door andI work with whatever you've got
going on.
What I give you is a process.
And over this past year andchange, I've been just refining
that process to understandreally the true meaning behind
one of my favorite TerrenceMcKenna quotes.
It's, if it's real, it can takethe pressure.
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And so it made me reallyunderstand, it's like, I don't
care if you even have statedbelief in one thing or another.
All I know is that I've triedout a number of practices, said
a number of different holy wordsfrom holy books, and I know
which ones work the best incertain situations.
I don't need your belief.
I need you to stand here and dothis because I would argue
that's the actual definition offaith.
(12:35):
So a lot to unpack here withreally cool stuff.
So in, in many ways, yourprocess that you work through
with others is meaning making.
You help them be able to, tounderstand the things that,
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that, they need to in order tobe able to process every
day-to-day life and thenconnected to that is some of
those deeper deeper aspects offaith as well and and somebody
can bring their own faith to aconversation but you that that's
not your focus on one specificreligion or or something of that
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nature correct and how i tend tophrase it for people is through
What a lot of people come to mefor is astrology sessions.
They want me to do some math,calculate their charts, see
where the stars are in the skyat the time of birth.
Sure.
The problem is in normal Westernparlance is only people talk
about the sun sign.
Well, that's a problem becauseone, if you are a horoscope
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person and you like looking atyour daily horoscope, mind you,
please calculate it from yourascendant sign, not your sun
sign.
Why I say this is because yourday-to-day life is going to be
more affected by what's calledthe Ascendant.
It's literally where the horizonwas in the sky at the time of
your birth.
But what I do in session, likeyou were talking about, is this
understanding of really gettingpeople back in touch with their
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sun.
And this goes across all sortsof religions, being the solar
deities or the literal risen sunof Christianity itself.
We have this understanding thatpeople aren't doing well because
they're not the center of theirown universe they are not
centered as the source of allwarmth life and gravity and so
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all my sessions really do isjust take them through a process
to recenter them as the thingthat orders their world because
all other problems come fromoutsourcing your agency
outsourcing control of what youhave in your grasp right this
second and that's where peoplego wrong that's why my first
question every session is alwayswhat do you want most tell me um
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If I came into a session, or saythat there's an audience member
who's never been exposed toastrology or the horoscope, give
me like a quick dummies guide.
so the dummies guide is it's alittle more easy in the visual
thing that i've come up withover the past couple weeks but
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i've turned the seven classicalplanets of astrology which
includes the moon and the sunthese were the visible bodies in
the sky for thousands of yearsthat our ancestors could see and
could track their position rightso there were seven of them
there was the sun and the moonwhich basic there was mercury
and venus then jupiter andsaturn now With those, we then
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have Mars on the back end ofthose.
I list Mars last because a lotof people have struggles with
martial constructs.
Mars is named after the Romangod, which is the Greek god
Ares.
I mean, war, conflict, strife,bladed weapons.
But here's the issue is modernastrology, for example.
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And part of the reason whypeople go to modern astrologers
and it hasn't worked since aboutthe seventies is because they
don't recognize that Saturn andMars are what's called the
malefic planets and traditionalHellenistic astrology.
Like these are the things thatcause Hellenistic meaning Greek,
Greek, Alexandrian.
So I practice a tradition thatgoes back from the combinations
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of Sumeria, Babylon and Egyptthat came together in
Alexandria.
So this is, this is nothing new.
No, no.
We're looking at something.
There is no copyright on any ofthis stuff.
No copyright at all.
And it's just astrology, not asponsor.
Not sponsored by.
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But it's the understanding of wesaw these planets in the sky.
And we just started writingthings down.
In Sumeria, about six toeight-ish thousand years ago,
clay tablets were just like,huh, the king died today.
There was also a solar eclipse.
Interesting.
We're going to scratch this downon clay tablets.
We're also going to complainabout copper prices from a bad
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merchant.
Today it's eggs.
Today it's eggs.
We have had the exact sameproblems for approximately
10,000 years as a species.
Who knew?
But...
between Sumeria and just notingwhere the planets are, that's
where we get the zodiac signsfrom.
So generally, we would see thesecertain constellations in the
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sky during certain seasons, andthen we would give them names
because that was TV.
It was the only thing to watch.
It was the only game in town.
And then we have the Egyptiantradition, which is more about a
time-based concept of measuringthings.
So hours, days, weeks, we getthose from Egypt because we had
the flooding of the Nile, whichgave us very firm measurements
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of time a lot of the time.
And so then a few thousand yearspass.
We get to Greek, the generalMediterranean, Phoenician
exchange, lots of differentthings.
And all of these things cometogether along with early
Christianity, the Roman Empire,the dregs of dynastic Egypt, and
some of the old what's calledChaldean astrologers and wisdom
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keepers who were, spoiler alert,also the Magi.
Because they were the ones thatcalculated Jesus' birth time.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
I know you spoiled the ending.
I know we spoiled the ending,but that's all I do is I'm just
drawing from thousands andthousands of years of collected
experience and storytelling andI'm showing people how they fit
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into that story.
Yeah.
And so it doesn't matter if I'minterpreting the planets as
these symbolic archetypes or ifI'm interpreting them as gods or
archangels, like all of it isjust starlight that I'm bringing
down to people who we generallycan't see the stars anymore.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, in, in some sense,you know, not to, not to be too
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cheesy here, but you're helping,helping illuminate things for
people, you know, through,through the use of, of the light
as it were.
And it's, and it's lessillumination.
And I would argue, I'm just kindof like brushing the scales away
from your eyes.
Okay.
Because most of the issue isthat people just don't care
about themselves.
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Yeah, sure.
That we are so externallyoriented towards our jobs, our
roles, who we are responsiblefor, that we, most of my
clients, whenever I ask you,what do you desire?
What do you want right now?
They can't tell me anything.
They have no clue.
And it's funny you say thatbecause, I mean, every single
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one of our guests on the podcastso far, in some sense, have
talked about self-care as a partof things that have...
been impactful in theirprofession.
You know, for Robert Norris, youknow, there was mental health
that had to be taken account of.
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And then, you know, when he wasable to prioritize that, he was
able to focus the plan.
For Shannon, you know, it was ahuge health crisis for a loved
one that really opened up hereyes to what she, you know,
didn't enjoy in life and whatshe did.
And then with Karen, you know,she uses people's understanding
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their stories and caring forthem as like the whole premise
behind it.
So in some sense, she has, youknow, that self-care too.
And so it's interesting,self-care and putting ourselves
as a focus of our own stories isIt's a recurring theme for us as
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we're going through thispodcast.
We have no other option.
This is the only story we get tolive out.
That's right.
The issue is that we just aren'tgiven the good tools to utilize
for that.
Now, you touched on, we didn'tfully flush out, but you
mentioned that, you know,There's forms of astrology that
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don't work anymore, and thenthere's what you do.
Kind of break that down.
I'm not sure we got to dig intoit.
And that's the unfortunate partis there's an entire field of
all of this for everything.
As just as I can give it to youis the fact of, again, this is a
thousands of years old traditionof humans watching the stars and
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telling stories about them.
Arguably, it couldn't even goback.
beyond tens of thousands ofyears based upon even aboriginal
storylines in australia trackingthe pleiades and telling stories
about it and different things sothis is people have always
watched the stars we have alwayscorrelated it with things that
are occurring in our lives dayto day right now how it's caused
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how it works we still don't knowyet and i'm not going to claim
to make any knowledge claimsabout that i just know that more
often than not i look at aperson's chart the exact time
they were born And I canresituate them in their world
and show them what is mosteffective to focus on.
The issue is that a lot ofmodern astrology, it focuses on
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everything being superpsychologized, right?
It's only focused on, well, allof these things are just parts
of your mind.
And these things are just, youknow, anything can be made good.
All fluffy sunshine, rainbowsand unicorns.
When in traditional astrology,well, Mars rules war and
bloodshed, and Saturn rulessuffering and boundaries, and
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saying no.
Not everything's going to behappy.
And I have to sit down and tellpeople, it's like, hey, so this
thing that you've been told tofocus on by institutions,
society, whatever trash you'vebeen having going on in your
head this whole time, that'sliterally been wasting your
time.
Because via your astrology, yourenergy is going to be best
served in these different areasof life that nobody's told you
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to focus on or even try.
And that's all I do, is I justmake sure that I'm following an
ancient tradition ofstorytelling based upon where
the stars are in the sky, whatthose stars are associated with
meaning, and then I apply themto a person's life and their
needs and their desires.
Because the issue, like I wassaying, is modern astrology is
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super psychologized.
It's this...
Head trauma we've had since ReneDescartes of, we are just a mind
and a body.
Well, that's why I have to tellpeople, I'm not your therapist.
Most of my clients already havetherapists.
I rule the heart.
That's my job.
The actual spiritus, the thingthat breathes life into
everything, that opens us up andgives power and energy to
things.
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And that's the storytellingcapacity that every generation
of humans has always had accessto.
I love it.
I...
I know that there's, like yousaid, there's so much that we
could unpack here that we mayhave to figure out multiple
sessions over time to be able topull you back in.
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But I'm also, I know, I feellike I mention this every time.
A lot of our listeners are,we're all the business folk.
And so you have a very uniquebusiness.
How has things been for you as asolo entrepreneur and running
this very unique practice as theway that you make money.
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It's been an interestinglearning curve.
One, because you wouldn't thinkthat slinging pieces of paper
and ink for a living would beprofitable.
But more and more of what I'vefound is that people are craving
authentic connection toanything.
And that's why my atheistclients, they still love this.
They don't have necessarily aspiritual outlook, but they
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enjoy someone sitting down withthem, telling them that their
desires matter, their valuesmatter, and figuring out the
stories we need to tellourselves to realign to those
things that are the mostimportant to us.
That's important.
And so it's the understanding ofthe main pain point that
everybody has.
are these three things that arewhen I go and purchase services
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like this for myself, right?
So if I've cried aboutsomething, if I've wanted to hit
something, or if I've beendragging my feet on it for more
than three days, I just need togo and talk to somebody else
about it.
I cannot trust my own agency atthis point to execute on the
problem if I'm already in any ofthose three states of being.
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And so it's the understandingthat the pain point is
universal.
Everybody experiences thesethings.
That's why I've had people comein regarding family issues.
I've had people come inregarding real estate stuff.
I've had people just having abad day.
Or their lives are great andthey're technically taking
vacations out of countrymultiple times, but they don't
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actually know who they are.
So in some sense, it's not theexact same thing as running a
business like...
you know, a therapeutic officewould run their business.
But it's, as far as thestructure of, of how you're set
up, you, you still, you know,you have an audience that, you
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know, they set appointments andthen you, you help them with the
service that you provide.
So it's not that different.
And it's the other problem too,as to why a lot of people,
Prefer talking to me and Iconstantly get these questions
of Nolan, when are you going tostart your church?
When are you going to do this,that or the other?
And I'm realizing that, oh, sothat's the function that church
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and religion served is somebodygets told stories as often as
they need that makes themrealize there's meaning in life.
And more importantly, I am notdoing that with an intention for
institutional power.
I'm not trying to push oneagenda or the other.
I'm literally just trying to sitdown and sell a person on them
having the most meaning in theirlife and them being the core
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focus of change.
Yeah.
And I just tell them whateverstories need to be told that are
relevant to their situation torecontextualize that meaning and
give them that breath of lifeagain.
Yeah.
You provide perspective in manyways.
Well, I know we have all kindsof different directions, but one
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thing I did want to ask youbefore we wrap up today is,
what's if you had one takeawaythat you want everyone to know
about astrology or what you door tarot or anything that you
do, what would you want peopleto know?
Let me...
Try and verbalize the equationthat I came up with to really
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make this as simple as I can.
The sun and the moon equalswisdom.
Sol e mon.
Sol.
Wisdom itself, the right actionthat we are desiring to take at
any given moment in time, is ona far side of the equals sign.
Now, what allows us to solve forwisdom are the rest of the
planets in astrology.
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Now, outside of someparentheses, we have Mercury.
Mercury is money.
It's commerce.
He's exchange.
He's communication.
The problem is everybody triesto start with money as the
solution to their problems when,according to good old
arithmetic, we multiply after wetake care of the parentheses.
And so we have to go inside theparentheses.
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And our two main things in thereare the main benefic lights, the
good guys here, of Venus, love,beauty.
I call her desire.
She's our wants.
And then we have Jupiter, ourvalues.
We've got to first make surethat those are positive
integers.
If you don't have desires foryourself and you don't have
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values for yourself outside ofthe context of responsibilities
to someone else or outside ofuniversal goods or virtues that
most people tell me when I askthem their values, the equation
is always going to turn upnegative, if not just a complete
goose egg.
So we have to start theequation.
What do you want and what do youvalue?
Venus, Jupiter.
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Now, then we get into themalefic planets, Mars and
Saturn.
Those are the exponents on topof desire and values.
So Venus's exponent is Mars.
So the cosmic woman isexponentially increased by the
cosmic man.
Mars is not just violence andconflict and war.
He's also force.
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He's the actual driving lifespring of it's the thing that
allows the little seed to shootup.
above the ground it's the thingthat allows everything to
actually move and go forwardyeah and motivation exactly yeah
it's the capacity to say yes anddo things and so with your
desires if you don't say yes tothem if you don't actively go to
war for yourself on those thingsyou want nothing's going to
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matter yeah and so it's going togo awry one way or the other and
so then You have to switch overto Saturn, Saturn's exponent of
values.
Now, Saturn rules time, rulesboundaries.
It rules no.
And so if people aren't capableof saying no to the things that
they don't value, they're goingto waste their time, waste other
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people's time, and they're notgoing to get what they value.
And so all I do in everysession, be it tarot, astrology,
energy work, or whatever elsethe clients need me to do for
them, even just prayer, I'm justsolving this equation for you.
And I just have a process I gothrough to figure out what you
know is missing, but you don'thave words for.
So let me see if I picked up themath correctly.
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So the values is our drive andour boundaries and kind of that
purpose piece.
And you add those together andit equals the results.
And that's where we can actuallystart bringing in conversations
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like money and actually putthings into action.
Right.
Yeah.
Most of the time in a firstsession with clients, we can't
even get to solving the moneyportion or solving the wisdom
portion.
Yeah.
We just have to address theempty...
just the emptiness of ourdesires and our values in our
capacity to say yes to thethings that we want in our
capacity to say no to the thingsthat we do not value.
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Well, Tell us where people canfind you if they want to get in
contact with you after today.
I am pretty easy to find,nolanclayrogers.com.
You can book me at whateverlevel of assistance you need, or
you can just shoot me a text,and we can schedule something in
private to see if something willfit for you.
Otherwise, I'm generally atCraig's Emporium doing sessions
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in person on Wednesdays andThursdays from 11 to 5, and then
on some Saturdays from 11 to 7.
Amazing.
I have had such a good time,Nolan.
This has been a great session.
And man, this podcast has beenso good being able to co-host
with you.
So glad we were able to actuallydig into the details of what you
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do.
Thank you.
I hope I didn't diarrhea of themouth too much.
Amazing.
Amazing.
Well, as always, stay sharp.
Think biz.
What
SPEAKER_00 (00:14):
is up, everyone?
Today is an incredible day, andI will tell you why.
We have Nolan as our guesttoday, not just a co-host, but
also Our actual podcast guest.
You make me feel so special,Garrett.
So, so special.
It's going to be a fantastictime going through and hearing
(00:36):
about all the different thingsthat you do, man.
We will do our best, my goodsir.
Now the hot seat's on me and Idon't just get to be jovial and
loquacious as my normal self.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Those words just light us offstraight away.
Oh, I tell you what, though.
I woke up this morning and Idon't know if you're a rain guy.
(00:57):
But it was raining outside, andI was just, I was hyped.
I knew it was going to be a goodday.
I love the rain.
Oh, yeah.
It was solid.
Especially whenever it's just anice pitter-patter.
It's not super torrential.
Yes.
We just get a good squashweather, as Braveheart would
say.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
Yeah.
If I tried my Braveheartimpression, I think, I mean,
you're mic'd up, so the laughingwould be very...
evident, you know.
Right.
Yeah, everyone will know if it'sfunny or not.
Man, okay.
Well, let's...
(01:36):
What do we do with ourselves?
Oh, man.
We've only been in thissituation one other time.
And it was my awkward self atthat point.
Pish posh, pish posh.
Well, so this can kind of bringme to a little bit of kind of
what I do is I...
founded my business a little biton trying to solve these types
of problems for people of eitherawkward personalities.
(02:00):
Well, that's what we claim.
That's the story where Garrettis currently telling himself
about the personality, and wecan work on that if you would
like to.
But it's the understanding thateverything that I sell, my
services, anything else I do forpeople, I need it for myself.
Starting out.
So I don't do anything forclients that I haven't needed or
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I haven't purchased at one timeor another.
And generally, I tend topurchase it for myself on a
quarterly basis.
Nice.
Because we all need a gut check.
And that's been kind of theweird thing, hanging out with
the networking group and justimproving who I'm around and the
business owners that I've comeinto contact with is
understanding that basicallywhat I do is church.
Yeah.
(02:43):
I had to swallow my crow on thata number of weeks ago.
It's just like, oh, right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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That's always the best startingplace.
Oh, my goodness.
I cannot wait to dig into thismore.
Before we dive straight into allthe different things that you're
up to today, tell us your story,man.
Where did you start off at withall of this?
How did you get into theprofession that you're in today?
Jeepers, Barnes.
(03:30):
That started off being a goodlittle born Missouri boy.
Oh, I didn't know you were fromMissouri.
Yep.
Been border ruffian betweensouthwest Missouri and northwest
Arkansas all my life untilmoving to Oklahoma about five
years ago.
Very nice.
It's drier out here.
It's not less hot, but it isslightly drier, so it doesn't
melt quite so bad.
But, I mean...
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Growing up, good littlenon-denominational Protestant
boy at Notch Community Church.
Yeah.
Right next to Silver DollarCity.
I mean, I was exposed toeverybody and everything.
Problem was, by the time I gotto churches outside of my home
church, well, apparently I wasvery good at arguing with the
Sunday school teachers.
They'd bring me out to myparents and say, he's very
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opinionated.
To which my parents wouldrespond, yeah, but was he wrong?
And they would...
exasperatedly sigh and say, no,he wasn't.
He wasn't wrong.
He wasn't wrong.
So, I've always had a fondnessfor reading pieces of paper and
ink of any flavor.
And I've been fairly decent atbeing able to digest and process
them from a very young age.
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So it was always fun to be ableto be sitting there in church
and you'd be flipping throughthe Bible and it's like, oh, see
these different verses for otherthings.
I'm like, oh, that's halfwayacross the Bible.
I wonder why that's relevant.
And so the preacher would be offdoing something up on the
podium, whatever he was actuallytalking about.
I don't know.
And I'd just be flipping backand forth and basically teaching
(04:56):
myself how to use Wikipedia fromthe time I was about seven.
Because it's just gianthyperlinked text.
And that's how I formed most ofmy neural connections from an
early age is realizing that,huh, so everything's connected
to everything else somehow.
We just don't know how yet.
Cool.
So I was constantly selectingfor all of those connections.
(05:16):
Yeah.
I think that's a, that's a skillthat is like, you can't, you
almost can't buy nowadays.
Like it's, it's something thateveryone needs to, and it's,
it's almost connected to justbeing Plain old critical
thinking.
How do we make connectionsbetween concepts and actually
(05:39):
understand context behind all ofthe different things, even if
it's spread over, in the casethat you're talking about, long
periods of time?
How do things connect acrossmanuscripts?
How do they even connect acrosscultures?
Exactly.
(06:00):
Very cool.
Okay, so what happened next?
Well, the what happened next wasa combination of things.
One was being homeschooled for acouple years just because mom
and dad were tired of theelementary school-ness.
Gifted and talented programsdon't really actually shake out
to be that.
They're more special privilegesfor the upper middle class.
(06:21):
You smart.
You smart.
Well done.
We'll get to that eventually.
I would argue I'm just a veryverbose redneck.
That's all I am.
I'll still blow up Tanner Wrightwith the best of them.
I just like to use big wordswhile I express my joy.
That's fair.
But it's more just the problemof been in and out of different
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schools, saw all sorts ofdenominations of churches
growing up, just read profusely.
I mean, there's nothing thatreally stopped me from learning
whatever I wanted to learn,really.
And then we come in contact withCalvinism in practice, right?
in about junior year of highschool.
That was at the point Irealized, huh, I think I'm
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reading from a different bookthan everybody else.
Because it had never dawned onme as to why everybody else had
issues with Christian doctrineand theology and blah, blah,
blah.
Because I'd always been justlearning and studying on my own.
It's like, oh, well, this iswhat this word means.
This is the definition.
This is the etymology.
So obviously this sentence meansthis.
And then when you come intocontact with people who have
(07:25):
vastly different vastlydifferent interpretations of
doctrine, you're like, oh, wait,I get it now.
I understand why people haveissues with people of different
belief sets because theinterpretation game is a really,
really deadly slope to get on.
Hermeneutics.
We invented a whole thing, notjust for religion or diligent,
(07:47):
but there's this whole...
sections of hermeneuticsdedicated to that but yeah
unfortunately they just skip tothe hermeneutics yeah and skip
over this like but how do weknow yeah and why do we know we
know things the deeperexistential epistemology and
ontology yeah yes we're makingknowledge claims but how can we
(08:08):
back those up And that'ssomething that I come across in
my business every day.
They're not even to thehermeneutics.
They're not even to the problemof, well, what does this
sentence mean?
A lot of people just don't evenhave basic understanding of what
I took for granted is children'sstories.
Growing up, every Sunday andevery Wednesday night.
(08:30):
And I just have to tell peoplestories every day because we
can't get to an understandingof, well, how do we know things?
What do we know is true when...
People just need better stories.
I mean, as a marketer, I, thisis something that I think
everyone needs is we often willgo straight in for, you know,
(08:55):
like a sale or, or we will tryand just, you know, be super,
super direct with, with zerosales.
nuance and we forget that one ofour core jobs as business owners
is to is to be a part of ouraudience's story and to be able
(09:17):
to stay in their mind and helpthem learn in a way that they
can understand.
Exactly.
Stories, such a big way.
And so you use that every singleday with what you do.
All day, every day.
I can't turn whatever part of mybrain, heart, hand, interface
does this whole thing because itjust doesn't stop.
I can, what was it?
(09:37):
Oh, my baby girl, whenever...
My mom, her grandma, was herefor a couple weeks or so, just a
month or two ago.
We were watching Super MarioBros.
because I put it on and she waslike, ooh, that looks fun.
I was like, okay, fine, I'll putit on for you, baby girl.
I've got no problem with ChrisPratt.
Let's go.
But then I got to actuallylooking at it and watching it
(09:58):
and I'm like, Oh man, this is agreat allegory for different
things.
And I was able, and I wasunpacking for my mom as things
went on.
It's like, oh, so this is, theseare all the different stories
and different mythologies thatare being symbolized by this
character.
Here's the ancient Romantraditions that this is speaking
to.
And then, and here's where thestorytelling goes off the rails
and it's no longer following acohesive structure that would be
(10:20):
satisfying for the audience toend on.
And not to mention...
Beaches, beaches, beaches,beaches, beaches.
Okay, yeah, we're going to stop.
Otherwise, we're just going tokeep, we're going to go the
whole rest of the time.
No, that's an incrediblejourney.
And I think one of the thingsthat makes what you do powerful
(10:43):
is that you have spent time tounderstand people.
so much literature and you havelearned a lot of culture and,
and you've taken time, not justto, to, you know, especially in
like a, this spiritual world, weare so often to talk at other
(11:06):
people as opposed to listen.
And especially when it comes tolike storytelling is, is a way
in which like people, we digesthistory too.
And so in order to be able to dothat effectively, you've just
taken in a lot of, of really,um, you know, what I would
(11:27):
imagine to be fascinating stuff.
Well, it's a, there's a, it'ssix, one half dozen.
The other is fascinating and madis, is what I would say because,
um, Like you're talking about isbeing able to talk at people.
I realized really early onwhenever I started doing this
and actually charging for it,like people have been begging me
for forever, I realized reallyquickly that, okay, I'm going to
(11:49):
have a lot of different peoplecome across my doorstep.
So how about I just startsessions off by saying, I check
my spirituality at the door andI work with whatever you've got
going on.
What I give you is a process.
And over this past year andchange, I've been just refining
that process to understandreally the true meaning behind
one of my favorite TerrenceMcKenna quotes.
It's, if it's real, it can takethe pressure.
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And so it made me reallyunderstand, it's like, I don't
care if you even have statedbelief in one thing or another.
All I know is that I've triedout a number of practices, said
a number of different holy wordsfrom holy books, and I know
which ones work the best incertain situations.
I don't need your belief.
I need you to stand here and dothis because I would argue
that's the actual definition offaith.
(12:35):
So a lot to unpack here withreally cool stuff.
So in, in many ways, yourprocess that you work through
with others is meaning making.
You help them be able to, tounderstand the things that,
(12:56):
that, they need to in order tobe able to process every
day-to-day life and thenconnected to that is some of
those deeper deeper aspects offaith as well and and somebody
can bring their own faith to aconversation but you that that's
not your focus on one specificreligion or or something of that
(13:20):
nature correct and how i tend tophrase it for people is through
What a lot of people come to mefor is astrology sessions.
They want me to do some math,calculate their charts, see
where the stars are in the skyat the time of birth.
Sure.
The problem is in normal Westernparlance is only people talk
about the sun sign.
Well, that's a problem becauseone, if you are a horoscope
(13:40):
person and you like looking atyour daily horoscope, mind you,
please calculate it from yourascendant sign, not your sun
sign.
Why I say this is because yourday-to-day life is going to be
more affected by what's calledthe Ascendant.
It's literally where the horizonwas in the sky at the time of
your birth.
But what I do in session, likeyou were talking about, is this
understanding of really gettingpeople back in touch with their
(14:03):
sun.
And this goes across all sortsof religions, being the solar
deities or the literal risen sunof Christianity itself.
We have this understanding thatpeople aren't doing well because
they're not the center of theirown universe they are not
centered as the source of allwarmth life and gravity and so
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all my sessions really do isjust take them through a process
to recenter them as the thingthat orders their world because
all other problems come fromoutsourcing your agency
outsourcing control of what youhave in your grasp right this
second and that's where peoplego wrong that's why my first
question every session is alwayswhat do you want most tell me um
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If I came into a session, or saythat there's an audience member
who's never been exposed toastrology or the horoscope, give
me like a quick dummies guide.
so the dummies guide is it's alittle more easy in the visual
thing that i've come up withover the past couple weeks but
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i've turned the seven classicalplanets of astrology which
includes the moon and the sunthese were the visible bodies in
the sky for thousands of yearsthat our ancestors could see and
could track their position rightso there were seven of them
there was the sun and the moonwhich basic there was mercury
and venus then jupiter andsaturn now With those, we then
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have Mars on the back end ofthose.
I list Mars last because a lotof people have struggles with
martial constructs.
Mars is named after the Romangod, which is the Greek god
Ares.
I mean, war, conflict, strife,bladed weapons.
But here's the issue is modernastrology, for example.
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And part of the reason whypeople go to modern astrologers
and it hasn't worked since aboutthe seventies is because they
don't recognize that Saturn andMars are what's called the
malefic planets and traditionalHellenistic astrology.
Like these are the things thatcause Hellenistic meaning Greek,
Greek, Alexandrian.
So I practice a tradition thatgoes back from the combinations
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of Sumeria, Babylon and Egyptthat came together in
Alexandria.
So this is, this is nothing new.
No, no.
We're looking at something.
There is no copyright on any ofthis stuff.
No copyright at all.
And it's just astrology, not asponsor.
Not sponsored by.
(16:35):
But it's the understanding of wesaw these planets in the sky.
And we just started writingthings down.
In Sumeria, about six toeight-ish thousand years ago,
clay tablets were just like,huh, the king died today.
There was also a solar eclipse.
Interesting.
We're going to scratch this downon clay tablets.
We're also going to complainabout copper prices from a bad
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merchant.
Today it's eggs.
Today it's eggs.
We have had the exact sameproblems for approximately
10,000 years as a species.
Who knew?
But...
between Sumeria and just notingwhere the planets are, that's
where we get the zodiac signsfrom.
So generally, we would see thesecertain constellations in the
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sky during certain seasons, andthen we would give them names
because that was TV.
It was the only thing to watch.
It was the only game in town.
And then we have the Egyptiantradition, which is more about a
time-based concept of measuringthings.
So hours, days, weeks, we getthose from Egypt because we had
the flooding of the Nile, whichgave us very firm measurements
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of time a lot of the time.
And so then a few thousand yearspass.
We get to Greek, the generalMediterranean, Phoenician
exchange, lots of differentthings.
And all of these things cometogether along with early
Christianity, the Roman Empire,the dregs of dynastic Egypt, and
some of the old what's calledChaldean astrologers and wisdom
(18:00):
keepers who were, spoiler alert,also the Magi.
Because they were the ones thatcalculated Jesus' birth time.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
I know you spoiled the ending.
I know we spoiled the ending,but that's all I do is I'm just
drawing from thousands andthousands of years of collected
experience and storytelling andI'm showing people how they fit
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into that story.
Yeah.
And so it doesn't matter if I'minterpreting the planets as
these symbolic archetypes or ifI'm interpreting them as gods or
archangels, like all of it isjust starlight that I'm bringing
down to people who we generallycan't see the stars anymore.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, in, in some sense,you know, not to, not to be too
(18:40):
cheesy here, but you're helping,helping illuminate things for
people, you know, through,through the use of, of the light
as it were.
And it's, and it's lessillumination.
And I would argue, I'm just kindof like brushing the scales away
from your eyes.
Okay.
Because most of the issue isthat people just don't care
about themselves.
(19:01):
Yeah, sure.
That we are so externallyoriented towards our jobs, our
roles, who we are responsiblefor, that we, most of my
clients, whenever I ask you,what do you desire?
What do you want right now?
They can't tell me anything.
They have no clue.
And it's funny you say thatbecause, I mean, every single
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one of our guests on the podcastso far, in some sense, have
talked about self-care as a partof things that have...
been impactful in theirprofession.
You know, for Robert Norris, youknow, there was mental health
that had to be taken account of.
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And then, you know, when he wasable to prioritize that, he was
able to focus the plan.
For Shannon, you know, it was ahuge health crisis for a loved
one that really opened up hereyes to what she, you know,
didn't enjoy in life and whatshe did.
And then with Karen, you know,she uses people's understanding
(20:04):
their stories and caring forthem as like the whole premise
behind it.
So in some sense, she has, youknow, that self-care too.
And so it's interesting,self-care and putting ourselves
as a focus of our own stories isIt's a recurring theme for us as
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we're going through thispodcast.
We have no other option.
This is the only story we get tolive out.
That's right.
The issue is that we just aren'tgiven the good tools to utilize
for that.
Now, you touched on, we didn'tfully flush out, but you
mentioned that, you know,There's forms of astrology that
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don't work anymore, and thenthere's what you do.
Kind of break that down.
I'm not sure we got to dig intoit.
And that's the unfortunate partis there's an entire field of
all of this for everything.
As just as I can give it to youis the fact of, again, this is a
thousands of years old traditionof humans watching the stars and
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telling stories about them.
Arguably, it couldn't even goback.
beyond tens of thousands ofyears based upon even aboriginal
storylines in australia trackingthe pleiades and telling stories
about it and different things sothis is people have always
watched the stars we have alwayscorrelated it with things that
are occurring in our lives dayto day right now how it's caused
(21:29):
how it works we still don't knowyet and i'm not going to claim
to make any knowledge claimsabout that i just know that more
often than not i look at aperson's chart the exact time
they were born And I canresituate them in their world
and show them what is mosteffective to focus on.
The issue is that a lot ofmodern astrology, it focuses on
(21:49):
everything being superpsychologized, right?
It's only focused on, well, allof these things are just parts
of your mind.
And these things are just, youknow, anything can be made good.
All fluffy sunshine, rainbowsand unicorns.
When in traditional astrology,well, Mars rules war and
bloodshed, and Saturn rulessuffering and boundaries, and
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saying no.
Not everything's going to behappy.
And I have to sit down and tellpeople, it's like, hey, so this
thing that you've been told tofocus on by institutions,
society, whatever trash you'vebeen having going on in your
head this whole time, that'sliterally been wasting your
time.
Because via your astrology, yourenergy is going to be best
served in these different areasof life that nobody's told you
(22:33):
to focus on or even try.
And that's all I do, is I justmake sure that I'm following an
ancient tradition ofstorytelling based upon where
the stars are in the sky, whatthose stars are associated with
meaning, and then I apply themto a person's life and their
needs and their desires.
Because the issue, like I wassaying, is modern astrology is
(22:53):
super psychologized.
It's this...
Head trauma we've had since ReneDescartes of, we are just a mind
and a body.
Well, that's why I have to tellpeople, I'm not your therapist.
Most of my clients already havetherapists.
I rule the heart.
That's my job.
The actual spiritus, the thingthat breathes life into
everything, that opens us up andgives power and energy to
things.
(23:14):
And that's the storytellingcapacity that every generation
of humans has always had accessto.
I love it.
I...
I know that there's, like yousaid, there's so much that we
could unpack here that we mayhave to figure out multiple
sessions over time to be able topull you back in.
(23:35):
But I'm also, I know, I feellike I mention this every time.
A lot of our listeners are,we're all the business folk.
And so you have a very uniquebusiness.
How has things been for you as asolo entrepreneur and running
this very unique practice as theway that you make money.
(24:01):
It's been an interestinglearning curve.
One, because you wouldn't thinkthat slinging pieces of paper
and ink for a living would beprofitable.
But more and more of what I'vefound is that people are craving
authentic connection toanything.
And that's why my atheistclients, they still love this.
They don't have necessarily aspiritual outlook, but they
(24:23):
enjoy someone sitting down withthem, telling them that their
desires matter, their valuesmatter, and figuring out the
stories we need to tellourselves to realign to those
things that are the mostimportant to us.
That's important.
And so it's the understanding ofthe main pain point that
everybody has.
are these three things that arewhen I go and purchase services
(24:45):
like this for myself, right?
So if I've cried aboutsomething, if I've wanted to hit
something, or if I've beendragging my feet on it for more
than three days, I just need togo and talk to somebody else
about it.
I cannot trust my own agency atthis point to execute on the
problem if I'm already in any ofthose three states of being.
(25:05):
And so it's the understandingthat the pain point is
universal.
Everybody experiences thesethings.
That's why I've had people comein regarding family issues.
I've had people come inregarding real estate stuff.
I've had people just having abad day.
Or their lives are great andthey're technically taking
vacations out of countrymultiple times, but they don't
(25:27):
actually know who they are.
So in some sense, it's not theexact same thing as running a
business like...
you know, a therapeutic officewould run their business.
But it's, as far as thestructure of, of how you're set
up, you, you still, you know,you have an audience that, you
(25:50):
know, they set appointments andthen you, you help them with the
service that you provide.
So it's not that different.
And it's the other problem too,as to why a lot of people,
Prefer talking to me and Iconstantly get these questions
of Nolan, when are you going tostart your church?
When are you going to do this,that or the other?
And I'm realizing that, oh, sothat's the function that church
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and religion served is somebodygets told stories as often as
they need that makes themrealize there's meaning in life.
And more importantly, I am notdoing that with an intention for
institutional power.
I'm not trying to push oneagenda or the other.
I'm literally just trying to sitdown and sell a person on them
having the most meaning in theirlife and them being the core
(26:34):
focus of change.
Yeah.
And I just tell them whateverstories need to be told that are
relevant to their situation torecontextualize that meaning and
give them that breath of lifeagain.
Yeah.
You provide perspective in manyways.
Well, I know we have all kindsof different directions, but one
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thing I did want to ask youbefore we wrap up today is,
what's if you had one takeawaythat you want everyone to know
about astrology or what you door tarot or anything that you
do, what would you want peopleto know?
Let me...
Try and verbalize the equationthat I came up with to really
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make this as simple as I can.
The sun and the moon equalswisdom.
Sol e mon.
Sol.
Wisdom itself, the right actionthat we are desiring to take at
any given moment in time, is ona far side of the equals sign.
Now, what allows us to solve forwisdom are the rest of the
planets in astrology.
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Now, outside of someparentheses, we have Mercury.
Mercury is money.
It's commerce.
He's exchange.
He's communication.
The problem is everybody triesto start with money as the
solution to their problems when,according to good old
arithmetic, we multiply after wetake care of the parentheses.
And so we have to go inside theparentheses.
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And our two main things in thereare the main benefic lights, the
good guys here, of Venus, love,beauty.
I call her desire.
She's our wants.
And then we have Jupiter, ourvalues.
We've got to first make surethat those are positive
integers.
If you don't have desires foryourself and you don't have
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values for yourself outside ofthe context of responsibilities
to someone else or outside ofuniversal goods or virtues that
most people tell me when I askthem their values, the equation
is always going to turn upnegative, if not just a complete
goose egg.
So we have to start theequation.
What do you want and what do youvalue?
Venus, Jupiter.
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Now, then we get into themalefic planets, Mars and
Saturn.
Those are the exponents on topof desire and values.
So Venus's exponent is Mars.
So the cosmic woman isexponentially increased by the
cosmic man.
Mars is not just violence andconflict and war.
He's also force.
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He's the actual driving lifespring of it's the thing that
allows the little seed to shootup.
above the ground it's the thingthat allows everything to
actually move and go forwardyeah and motivation exactly yeah
it's the capacity to say yes anddo things and so with your
desires if you don't say yes tothem if you don't actively go to
war for yourself on those thingsyou want nothing's going to
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matter yeah and so it's going togo awry one way or the other and
so then You have to switch overto Saturn, Saturn's exponent of
values.
Now, Saturn rules time, rulesboundaries.
It rules no.
And so if people aren't capableof saying no to the things that
they don't value, they're goingto waste their time, waste other
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people's time, and they're notgoing to get what they value.
And so all I do in everysession, be it tarot, astrology,
energy work, or whatever elsethe clients need me to do for
them, even just prayer, I'm justsolving this equation for you.
And I just have a process I gothrough to figure out what you
know is missing, but you don'thave words for.
So let me see if I picked up themath correctly.
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So the values is our drive andour boundaries and kind of that
purpose piece.
And you add those together andit equals the results.
And that's where we can actuallystart bringing in conversations
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like money and actually putthings into action.
Right.
Yeah.
Most of the time in a firstsession with clients, we can't
even get to solving the moneyportion or solving the wisdom
portion.
Yeah.
We just have to address theempty...
just the emptiness of ourdesires and our values in our
capacity to say yes to thethings that we want in our
capacity to say no to the thingsthat we do not value.
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Well, Tell us where people canfind you if they want to get in
contact with you after today.
I am pretty easy to find,nolanclayrogers.com.
You can book me at whateverlevel of assistance you need, or
you can just shoot me a text,and we can schedule something in
private to see if something willfit for you.
Otherwise, I'm generally atCraig's Emporium doing sessions
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in person on Wednesdays andThursdays from 11 to 5, and then
on some Saturdays from 11 to 7.
Amazing.
I have had such a good time,Nolan.
This has been a great session.
And man, this podcast has beenso good being able to co-host
with you.
So glad we were able to actuallydig into the details of what you
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do.
Thank you.
I hope I didn't diarrhea of themouth too much.
Amazing.
Amazing.
Well, as always, stay sharp.
Think biz.
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