Uncovering The Hidden Truth: Government Manipulation, Media Complicity, And The Fight For Transparency

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Whether we agree or agree to disagree, everybody's
got an opinion, and I'm about togive you mine.
So sit back, relax, buckle upand try not to get offended.
Welcome to This Canadian Thinks.
The government is the greatestthreat to national unity.
Their policies are intended todeceive you into believing you

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have a common enemy in yourfellow voter, should you
disagree with them.
Politicians, especially theprogressive types, use wedge
issues to work up both sides ofthe debate to near hysterics.
When the population ishysterical, they are much easier
manipulated.
This was in full display duringthe Freedom Convoy to Ottawa.
As the trucks began rollingeast, the rhetoric out of

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Parliament Hill ramped upconsiderably.
Those involved were members ofa fringe minority with
unacceptable views, or racistsor bigots, which eventually
morphed into occupants anddomestic terrorists as time went
on.
In the end, the Canadiangovernment chose to use UN
soldiers to quell the protests.
Elderly protesters weretrampled with horses or blinded
with riot spray.
There was no threat, but thegovernment made sure it was

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perceived as one.
They're awful good at it.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
It's important to underline that close to 90% of
truckers in this country arevaccinated, like close to 90% of
Canadians.
Over the past many months andyears now, Canadians have
stepped up to protect each other, to protect our frontline

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workers, to protect our elders,to protect our young people, to
protect people like truckers whoare putting food on our grocery
store shelves.
Canadians have stepped up to dothe right thing to protect the
freedoms and the rights ofCanadians.
To get back to the things welove to do, We know the way

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through this pandemic is bygetting everyone vaccinated, And
the overwhelming majority,close to 90% of Canadians have
done exactly that.
The small fringe minority ofpeople who are on their way to

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Ottawa or who are holdingunacceptable views that they're
expressing do not represent theviews of Canadians who have been
there for each other, who knowthat following the science and
stepping up to protect eachother is the best way to

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continue to ensure our freedoms,our rights, our values as a
country.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
The media doesn't help.
Currently the lap dogs of theestablishment.
they bow to the official line.
No investigation, no boots onthe ground.
They're given the script andthey repeat it verbatim.
The few independent journaliststhat were there were blocked,
arrested and forced to surrendertheir cameras and memory cards.
They pushed them out of thearea, especially once it came
time to let loose the dogs ofwar.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Politicians on both sides of the aisle were in
accord.
Sure, Pierre Poilierre venturedout for the opportunity for a
photo op, as though in support,but the truth was evident inside
the house.
The Progressive Conservativesdid nothing to stand up against
restrictions or mandates.
Many of them echoed theofficial sentiments regarding
masking, mandates, andrestrictions instead.
Nothing of any type ofopposition occurred whatsoever.

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The only party that did was thePeople's Party of Canada, the
PPC.
Bernier held political ralliesin the face of the law,
encouraging people to attendwithout masks.
Pierre took photos untilTrudeau began to vilify him, at
which point he promptly stopped,falling in line like the rest.
Pathetic and spineless, really.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
The leader of a party polling in the low single
digits is doubling down tonighton his anti-vaccine message.
And while Maxime Bernieroperates on the fringe, he still
draws a crowd.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
The admittedly unvaccinated Maxime Bernier has
built a following in thepandemic, his People's Party of
Canada campaigning on what hecalls COVID freedom.
"We are not anti-vaccine, weare not anti-masks, we are for
freedom of choice, drawing inthe disenfranchised, the
skeptics, people who feelthey've lost their voice and
their rights in the pandemic.

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The self-described Mad Max Touris seeing some of the largest
crowds of the campaign, anestimated 5,000 at one Manitoba
rally.
He was arrested here last Junefor breaking public health laws.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
When tyranny becomes law, revolution becomes our duty
.
We just want to unite everybodyunder the freedom umbrella and
we want to live our life like wedid before COVID-19.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yet many will vote for Pierre, thinking he's the
answer to the current Liberalregime, even though he's proven
that the party he leads at thistime is nothing short of liberal
light.
Their support of the Liberalmandates proof positive.
There will be no change under aProgressive Conservative
government.
The agenda will simply beslowed down, the destination
taking more time for arrival.
In the end, though, they allwant the exact same thing anyway

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.
Their global dictators call theshots.
It's up to the government onlyin that they can decide the pace
, and nothing more.
A unified population would nodoubt see this, which is why
it's so important for thegovernment to keep everyone
fighting with each other.
Division obliteratesunification.

Speaker 7 (05:36):
Your predecessor, Erin O'Toole, has written a blog
basically saying he would liketo see fewer F-Trudeau flags.
He says there are symptoms of alarger problem in which rage is
being normalized which, in turn, is hurting our democracy.
I like your thoughts on thoseflags and Mr O'Toole's concerns
that, again, rage is beingnormalized and hurting democracy
.

Speaker 8 (05:53):
Well, i don't like the flags and I don't like rage,
but I think we have to askourselves why are people so
angry?
The answer is that they'rehurting.
It's easy for the politicalestablishment to say stop all

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your complaining.
But when you're one of the 1.5million people that went to a
food bank in the month of March,it's not so easy.
If you're one of the peoplethat went to the Mississauga
food bank and asked for helpwith medical assistance and
dying, not because you're sickbut because you can't afford to
live.
It's not so easy.
If you're one of the38-year-olds living in your

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parents' basement because it nowtakes more of a monthly
paycheck to own a house, then atany time in recorded history,
it's not so easy to be happywith the way things are going.
If you're one of the people whowas overprescribed opioids and
is now addicted to drugs as aresult, it's not so easy to be

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happy with the way things aregoing.
I have never seen so much hurtand so much pain and suffering
in our population in my nearlytwo decades in politics.
So yes, of course we shouldtell people to be more civil and
to reject offensive signs,flags and language, but we

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should also ask ourselves whyare people hurting so badly And
we as leaders?
You know, the other day JustinTrudeau was at a big party 2,000
wealthy liberal lobbyists inthe nation's capital saying that
we should stop all thecomplaining.
Well, everybody in that roomhas nothing to complain about.
They're doing very well.
It's been an all-you-can-eatbuffet for the lobbyists and the

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insiders in Ottawa, but for theaverage person who's struggling
to make their mortgage paymentsthat have gone up by $800 or
$900 a month, they're living ina different world.
So sure, let's tell people tobe more civil, but let's, as
political leaders, let'sactually try to solve the
problems that have upset andangered and hurt people so badly

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.
It is our job to turn that hurtinto hope, to transform it into
something better.
You know, my parents taught methat in Canada.
It didn't matter where I camefrom but where I was going.
It didn't matter who I knew butwhat I could do.
That's the country I want mykids to inherit.

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So let's make this a placewhere people feel like their
hard work pays off, wherethey're respected, where their
leaders don't talk down to themand point fingers at them, but
rather lift them up, where wehave a Prime Minister, that
actually brings people togetherand gives them the hope that
tomorrow can be better thantoday.
I think that is the realproblem that we need to solve.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Those who did watch the convoy from the outside were
swept up by the unity of thetruckers.
While it was no doubt felt atthe line, the feeling
transcended the space and gavehope to the hopeless.
The thousands of Canadiansstanding on the side of the road
flying Canadian flags in bittercold temperatures across the
country was a clear indicationthat it galvanized the
population.
That's why they had to shut itdown.
It was effective.

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The longer it lasted, the morepeople were encouraged to join
them.
After years of governmentoverreach, it was a powder keg
waiting to erupt.
The people were on the verge ofactually having their voices
heard.

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Except that Canada is notdemocracy.
We have more in common withpost-Gorbachev Russia.
Both of our countries aresocial democracies, which is not
truly democratic.
There's an air of socialismabout the place, hence the laws
against free speech and so on.
If you believe otherwise, it maybe time to take a political
science's refresher, althougheven such a course may be
outdated unless they've adjustedtheir course offering to

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accommodate the continuous shiftof all political parties
towards the left of centre.
It's this drift towardsprogressive politics that makes
it impossible for there to berepresentation otherwise.
The only party notparticipating in the progressive
shift is again the PPC.
Due to this, the media andpolitical class do everything in
their power to undermine them.
Accusations of splitting thevote is near laughable.

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The Progressive Conservativesare the real vote-splitters.
They're so closely aligned withthe Liberals in terms of
progressive policies that theyare often sharing each other's
lunch.
Outside of financial approaches, the two parties are nearly
indistinguishable from oneanother.
That's the lie that Canadiansbelieve however.
They head to the polls and votein the Liberals to get rid of
the progressive conservatives.
After about eight years, theyvote in the Liberals again.

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It's a repetitive cycle thatneeds to come to an end.
The sooner the better.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Madness

Speaker 1 (11:11):
It doesn't seem to matter who you elect.
The politicians will justchange the parameters to get
what they want anyway.
Minority government, no problem.
Shake a bag of money at,Jagmeet Singh and the NDP will
prop up the Liberals as though amajority.
It doesn't matter what thevoters actually voted for.
The political class will getwhat they want in the end,
regardless.
The federal NDP party and theLiberal Party might as well just

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join together.
They're literally attached atthe wallet.
A vote for one is a vote forthe other.
Their agreement of supportmeans that the Liberals and the
NDP are one and the same at thispoint, which would be yet
another example of votesplitting, but progressives
don't see it the same way.
They seem to completely acceptthe nefarious coalition.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
When the Conservative Party looked at the Ottawa
occupation, they thought this isan expression of righteous
anger and we must support them.
But, Liberals, we looked at agroup of people with a written
agreement to overthrow thegovernment and we said great
idea, get Jagmeet on the phone.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
In the last British Columbia Provincial Election,
the Greens and the NDP were soclose that they went in the back
room, drafted a contract towork in unison together, then
came out and announced theirnewly formed coalition as a
majority government.
The voters didn't get to weighin.
It was enshrined and bindedwithout them.
The politicians having decided,not the voters.
If something of this nature isto be proposed, it should be

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clearly indicated during thepre-election campaign as being a
possibility in the event such asituation might arise or they
need to have another election toeither vote for or against a
potential coalition.

Speaker 10 (12:40):
Otherwise, The BC Greens will give the BCNDP
support to form government andthe terms of the agreement, as
I've mentioned, will be for fouryears.
We're not looking to have anelection anytime soon.
We're looking to show theBritish Columbians that minority
governments can work.

Speaker 11 (12:55):
The Premier will have some choices to make.
without any doubt, Theagreement that's been reached
between the Green Caucus and theBCNDP Caucus demonstrates that
we have the majority support ofmembers in the legislature, and
that will be up to the Premierand the Lieutenant Governor to
discuss.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's this sort of government-nosed-best approach
that leaves a vast swath of thepopulation outside of the
political spectrum.
In the last Alberta ProvincialElection, over 60% of the
population actually voted.
That's 40% of the province thatcouldn't be bothered to engage
in the process.
However, The federal electionwas similar, with just under 65%
of the population voting.
These are high turnoutcampaigns.

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In comparison to some pastelections, As few as 40% of less
have decided the fate forothers in the past.
Apathy is typically high in thiscountry, and voter apathy even
more so.
So how do governments getpeople more engaged with the
voting process?
It certainly isn't by offeringconcrete reasons why a political
party should be considered.
It's by creating division, fearand confusion.

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The more vitriol they canslather, the better.
Facts in previous records arehardly even considered in
exchange for these moreeffective attacks.
During the last provincialelection in Alberta, this was on
full display.
Rachel Notley's NDP couldn't runon their previous disastrous
four-year record.
They had no choice but to runan attack campaign.
They vilified Danielle Smithevery way but loose.

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They lied about their policiesto look more palatable, even
though we've seen exactly whatthey do given half a chance,
They used slander, bent electionlaws and utilized unions to
spread untruthful propaganda.
It was a prime example of howgovernments used these type of
campaigns to sow distrust orconfusion.
If you don't actually followpolitics, you might believe what
the NDP were saying, especiallyif you were watching the

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program the CBC broadcast afterthe leadership debate, where
they used the NDP to fact checkthe UCP.
No independent commentators ornon-partisan political analysts,
just socialists using fellowsocialists in an effort to
legitimize their narrative,despite the facts.

Speaker 12 (14:53):
I've made myself clear on this matter to the
Prime Minister in person and inpublic, but I feel we need to do
it again.
Hopefully the Prime Ministerand his caucus are watching
tonight.
Let me be clear this is not aroad we can afford to go down.
If he persists, he will behurting Canadians from coast to
coast and he will strain thepatience and goodwill of

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Albertans in an unprecedentedfashion.
And, as Premier, i cannot underany circumstance allow these
contemplated federal policies tobe inflicted upon Albertans.
I simply can't and I won't.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
A truly conservative governance in Alberta is a
terrifying thought to theprogressive agenda here and
abroad.
As the wealthiest province inCanadian Confederation, we see
our fair share of disagreementswith the federal government.
In fact, Alberta andSaskatchewan, then known as
Buffalo, were the last provincesto agree to join Confederation.
Quebec never has.
The only province to enjoy thatclaim.

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Whatever was left of what wasinitially meant to be a
collection of self-regulatedprovinces bound by the working
protection of unification underConfederacy was all but erased
once Pierre-Eliott Trudeau cameto power.
Trudeau Sr was the architect ofthe Canada we're beginning to
see now.
It's far from over.
The transition is ongoing.
Solidified now by his heir,Justin, who currently remains in

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power.
The social-democratic globalistideology was first brought to
the fore in Canada andchampioned by the likes of
Trudeau Sr.
Globalism is a truly Canadianphenomenon.
Perhaps we should dig into thatdeeper on a future episode.
While Trudeau Sr didn't inventthe idea of divisive policies,
he was acutely aware of theireffectiveness.
He picked the West against theEast and used that to his

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advantage to push through theNational Energy Program, or NEP
for short.
This allowed Ottawa to benefitmore from Alberta's resources
than they had previously.
It should be said that, sincejoining Canadian Confederation
that both Alberta andSaskatchewan have paid dearly
for the privilege of operatingunder the Canadian banner.
It's always been a bit of atake-heavy relationship on

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Canada's part, which the NEP didnothing to change.
Trudeau got the Laurentiansworked up at the West and vice
versa, courting Quebec withmoney and promises that were
nothing short of what everyprovince was meant to be
guaranteed under Confederationin the first place, but at the
expense of them.
He centralized power in Ottawainstead, taking away certain
items from the purview of theprovinces, and when they

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complained and protested, heliterally gave them the finger.
He understood that an inflamedpopulation could be manipulated
to do all manner of things thatmight not be in their best
interest.
While the country was fightingamongst themselves, Trudeau Sr
was courting his own agendaabroad, more interested in
dining with Fidel Castro andeating Chinese.

Speaker 13 (17:35):
It's easy to take for granted Canada's solid
relationship with China, but thePeople's Republic of China
wasn't officially recognized byOttawa until 1970, and things
didn't really open up untilafter a trip by Prime Minister
Pierre Trudeau back in 1973.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
We could spend hours on the way that Trudeau Sr used
wedge politics to divide and, inessence, conquer Canada.
It's only gotten worse sincethe foundation created then for
what is no doubt to come.
Like I said, you can alreadysee the effects.
The erosion of the Canada wewere, to the Canada we are now
and the Canada that thesocialists would have us become.
Progressives will see it as apositive, as though they were

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studying something different inhigh school than I did maybe.
The headlong rush to a globalsociety where not even
provincial affairs arecontemplated at a local level,
but rather by an appointedofficial dwelling in a far off
land, deciding what'sappropriate for you based on
what would be of most benefit tothe global good, even if not at
all in your own personal bestinterest, Outlawing your way of

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life because it is not possiblefor it to be done the same
elsewhere and is thus unfair tothe person who cannot.

Speaker 8 (18:41):
This was an emergency that Justin Trudeau created by
attacking his own population, bydriving up their cost of living
, by making it impossible forpeople to pay their bills and
live their lives in peace.
He caused the emergency thatunfolded And then, when he
caused it, he piled on.
He poured more gasoline on thefire, with nasty insults,

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jabbing his finger in the facesof his own citizens, something
that even today's reportacknowledged contributed to the
length and the intensity of theprotest.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
It's this climate that lent itself to the Freedom
Convoy to Ottawa, where thedivisive attacks were at an
all-time high.
The disconnect between what wasgoing on on the ground versus
declarations to the contraryfrom the mainstream news and
politician of every stripe wasblatant to anyone that followed
an alternative provider.
Walking the streets throughlive feeds on YouTube with guys
like War Campaign or the walkingtour guides who became

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impromptu frontlinebroadcasters, one could not help
but notice the differencebetween reported fact and the
truth.
An elderly woman with a walkerwas trampled by a horse and
rider, but the news reportedsomeone drove a bike into the
horse in an attempt to break itslegs, all while showing footage
of the horse clearly crushingthe old lady and her walker.
It was disgusting and a blightto the order of Canada, all

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because it was better to keepthe country divided than it was
to have a prime minister hearthem and address their concerns.
It's easier to manipulate thenarrative when you don't
actually know what the otherside wants.
You can say they want all sortsof stuff instead.
Things that make it look betterfor you and worse for them.
The prime minister's office notonly knew this, but they
actively engaged in it toachieve a desired outcome.

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I personally don't think thepoliticians succeeded in
reaching the outcome they wanted, but I don't think they weren't
successful entirely either.
To this day, public access toParliament Hill remains
restrictive and certain areascontinue to be barred to anyone
but the politicians that workwithin.
Protests are by approved permitonly, so your grievance must
align with the establishment'sview or you won't be allowed to

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protest, otherwise.
Does this sound like the heartof democracy to you?
Far from it.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Now on to the northern border, just across the
Canadian police there crackingdown on the trucker's protest.
You know only a few stragglersremain in Ottawa After police
and riot gear swept throughCanada's capital, arresting
nearly 200 protesters and towingoff almost 60 vehicles.
Authorities have now regainedcontrol of that area.
The truckers had occupied formore than three weeks.

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Grady Trembl live on the streetin Ottawa with the morer on the
aftermath of that protest.
Hi Grady.
Hello Eric, we're expecting anupdate from police any minute
now, but I just want to show youthis area.
A few days ago had dozens ofsemi trucks and other vehicles
in it.
Now you can see police havetaken control of Wellington

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Street.
This was essentially the firstarea that trucks were blocking
here on Wellington Street And ifyou spin around here you can
see all the way up the hill.
there were several more trucksblocking traffic all the way
past the parliament buildinghere on Wellington.
Well, police have cleared allof it and now they are in

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control of this area, blockingtraffic and blocking really
anybody from even walking intothis area, except for them and
for media.
Some people watching the tacticsof police over the past couple
days have been critical of it,saying they used too much force
than they needed to to getprotesters out of here, and
specifically, the policeoversight agency in Canada is

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looking into two instances thattook place over the past couple
of days.
The first was on Friday, thefirst day that police started
really moving into this area,and that's when a woman was
allegedly seriously hurt by ahorse because mounted police
were moving into this area.
The second has to do with anincident that happened on

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Saturday, and what police callless lethal ammunitions, which
refer to things like gascanisters, tear gas canisters as
well as rubber bullets.
So police are looking into bothof those instances to see if
they used too much force inthose cases to try to get
protesters out of here.
There's also criticism of PrimeMinister Justin Trudeau who, as

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you know, invoked theEmergencies Act at the beginning
of this week.
Police say that wasinstrumental in being able to
clear the protesters, but a lotof people say the standards were
not met to invoke thatEmergencies Act, which has never
been used before.
We learned from federalauthorities this weekend, eric,
that they froze 76 bank accounts, with about $3 million in them,

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as a part of this measure tocrack down on protesters here.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Politicians are elected by you but are beholden
to lobbyists, foreigngovernments, the United Nations,
the World Economic Forum andmany other globally aligned
organizations.
Chances are, if you actuallyknew what they were up to, you'd
be outraged.
The best way to avoid youfinding out is to stoke division
amongst the population.
When you are busy beingoutraged about meaningless

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things, they are doing the realwork, as outlined by the
aforementioned organizations.
The taxes you pay barely seento cover the debt on the loans
the government draws to affordcontraceptives in Africa or to
build low rent housing in India,among many other investments of
little benefit to Canadians.
We own a toll bridge in the USwhere the tolls collected don't

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mean the funds required tomaintain the bridge itself.
It's a terrible investment thatwould cost any hedge fund
manager their position.
Politicians aren't bound byperformance, though, which
explains their terrible trackrecords.
They are counting on amultitude of distractions to
keep you from realizing what amess they are making of things,
to keep you from knowing whothey are actually working for.

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Newsflash, it isn't you.
You might elect them, but theydo as they want and as they are
told by people other thanyourself.
Once in that position, theyrepresent their global
counterparts above all else.
Once again, should thepopulation at large understand
this, they would be upset andwould rally against it.
That's why the government mustfind ways to keep you distracted

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from the situation.
By keeping you inflamed aboutrather unimportant issues, they
are better able to enactlegislation more in line with
their underlying agenda,legislation they'll have you
begging for, even though it'slikely not something you would
agree to if there wasn't somesort of motivating factor,
something that enraged youenough that you would be willing
to forego your rights andfreedoms in order to placate

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your misplaced rage.

Speaker 10 (25:25):
The World Economic Forum is very open and, as an
open platform to integrateeverybody who is willing to
address those issues in a spiritwhich means to exercise here
through global citizenship.
First, if you look at that atthe national or global level, at

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the macroeconomic level, one ofthe things we address very much
in the book and we areconcerned is the increased debt
level.
We spend about 10 trillionworldwide to deal with the short
term negative effects of thepandemics.
But we should be aware we arejust increasing our debt

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situation and we were alreadyvery much debt loaded before we
went into the crisis.
So how to get at the end out ofthis debt situation is still a
big question mark.
Second, we know that there'squite some impact on different
industries.
We know that certainly thehealth industry is the digital

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industry will go out of thiscrisis strengthened, but we know
that many industries which relyparticularly on physical
interaction will havedifficulties to survive.
Finally, i just would add Ithink this is an opportunity

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again to find solutions whichare beneficial for the next
generation.
So why not to tie governmentaid to the green economy which
we have to create?
Why not to make sure that werevolutionize, digitalize,

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particularly our educationalsystem?
So we are here, when we talkabout the great reset, to talk
also about innovation How can wedo things differently from what
we used to do?
and if we speak aboutdifferently, it means also how
can we do it to make sure that amajority of people are

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benefiting from it and not justa minority.
I would see even a chance toaccelerate, let's say, our
transition into a green economy,because people probably
recognize that we have to becomemore resilient.

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We have now the experience ofone crisis the environmental
crisis.
The climate crisis could be amuch bigger one, so I see more
awareness, but on the other hand, we have the big issue of
unemployment, of low levels ofemployment, and I think we

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shouldn't see the two ascontradictory objectives.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Only people will become angry about what the
politicians were really doing,rather than the manufactured
outrage they perpetuate instead.
Stop buying the taglines andheadlines and look deeper into
what they are actually proposing.
You won't like what you see.
Worry less about what ishappening around the world to
begin to worry about what ishappening right here in Canada.
We are so busy following the USdown the transgender highway

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that we are missing the bigpicture.
As the global leaders try tomake a melting pot of the entire
planet, we are losing ourregional identities and with it,
in many ways, our culture andvalues As time goes by.
It would not surprise me ifthey attempt to subvert
organized religions into oneworldwide belief system, much
like the Jacobins did in Franceafter the French Revolution.
In terms of reconciliation, theaborigines and first nations of

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the world need to tread verycarefully during this time.
Their cultures have alreadybeen all but lost and yet they
stand to be devoured by aworldwide belief system in a
manner even worse than thecolonialism they rage against
right now.
As the planet becomes morefirmly under government control,
it becomes more and moreunclear what parts of each
nation or culture will bewelcomed into the future and

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what will be refused.
Who will decide?
Not you, and likely as not, notyour local elected officials or
tribal councils either.
So, to prevent you becomingenraged, they don't address your
concerns.
They trivialize and weaponizeyour concerns against you
instead, paint you as out oftouch, bigoted, racist and so on

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.
So long as they can make you apariah, your concerns will be
without merit.
After all, how could one sidewith someone who would venerate
their own culture or personalvalues over that of another,
even if it is something assimple as national pride?
It's ever increasingly easy forthem to do too.
As media organizations searchfor ways to remain relevant and

(30:37):
maintain the incomes thatsubscription revenues at one
time provided to no avail, itbecomes more and more convenient
to take the bribes and handoutsthe government provides as
incentives to promote thegovernment propaganda.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
You sometimes hear about Liberal bias in the media
these days, how they'reconstantly letting off our
government letting ourgovernment off the hook for no
good reason.
Frankly, I think that'sinsulting.
It's clear that they let us offthe hook for a very good reason
, because we paid them $600million.
You don't get stellar headlineslike these without greasing the

(31:16):
wheels a bit.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
It's no different than the current obsession with
gender.
At one point it was somethingyou may or may not openly
support.
Now you are forced to publiclyacknowledge your commitment to
transgender rights and equityand steps you are taking to take
an effective role in furtheringthose ideals in your business,
or risk not being able to dobusiness at all.
This was decreed by the Liberalgovernment as a reasonable

(31:40):
expectation of any business andthen passed into law No
opposition whatsoever.
If you are looking for agovernment contract, you're
going to have to acknowledge yousupport lots of things you may
not agree with or you won't beon contract with them.
Period.
This is actively promotingdivision amongst Canadians.
It's a mountain out of amolehill, though.

(32:00):
The transgender population inCanada is roughly 0.19%, but if
you spend any time engaged withthe media, it would seem to be
the number one topic of issue.
They've ballooned an issue thatis faced by less than a full
percent of the population andinflated it into something that
has to be defined in yourcompany's operating procedures

(32:22):
prior to doing business.
It's precisely this sort ofthing that the government uses
to create division The wedgeissues that they can use to
promote derision amongst themajority of the population, even
though most of them will beunaffected by anything of the
nature in their lifetime.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
Excuse me, it's ma'am .

Speaker 1 (32:39):
It is ma'am.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
I can call the police if you'd like me to.
You need to settle down.
You need to settle down andmind your business.
Okay, Ma'am once again ma'am.
I said both of you.
No, you said sir.
Once again it's ma'am.
I actually said both of youguys.
Right beforehand you fuckingsaid sir, sir, motherfucker,
take it outside.
If you want to call me siragain, i will show you a fucking

(33:02):
sir Motherfucker.
I'll follow you right now.
I need your corporate numberbecause I'm going to call them
and talk about how it wasmisgendered several times in
this store.
I need your corporate numbernow.
I need the corporate number, sostop calling me.
Get it for me now.

Speaker 8 (33:22):
I'm going to ask you to come down and stop causing.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
Sorry.
Stop getting misgendered.
Well, i'm going to ask you forthe fifth time to stop calling
me a man, because quite clearly,i am not.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
And I apologize for that, ma'am.
I will get you that number, isthat okay?

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yes, get it for me now.
I'm asking you to stop causing.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
Get it for me now.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
That's not to say that discrimination or
harassment should be tolerated,but really has our skin been
rendered so thin?
Have we devolved so much thatthe smallest slight might
destroy our personal confidence,so much that we might not
survive it?
Please, the world was forged bythose who overcame the harshest
conditions or limitations tobecome successful.

(33:59):
We used to herald their abilityto remain conscientious and
optimistic in times of dim hope.
These days, those types arelooked down on as capitalist
swine or greed drivennarcissists.
They needed to use any wealthto help the government fund
countless programs potentiallymisaligned with their true
personal values, through thecollection of ever increasing

(34:20):
taxes, corporate donations andso on.
Where gone are the days when acertain amount of the old water
off a duck's back adage mightapply?
People instead get upset aboutthe most trivial of things.
The government is banking on it.
In fact, they have a nack forfinding the matters of least
importance that will mostmagnify under exposure and force
people to take a side one wayor the other.

(34:41):
They don't seem to care whatthe issue is, so long as it will
enrage and encourage divisionas the key result in any regard.
Nobody wants to admit theirtransphobic, islamophobic,
homophobic, racist or theplethora of other phobics out
there.
So when the governmenthighlights issues of that nature
, the majority of the populationjumps on board and says "ot me,

(35:01):
i support those things that yousaid.
Do whatever you have to inorder to make it so I feel
better about the fact that I maynot actually support those
things deep down inside.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
You, snotty little bastard.
I'll answer the question.
You want answers.
You want answers.
I want the truth.
You can't handle the truth, son.
we live in a world that haswalls, and those walls have to
be guarded by men with guns.
Who's gonna do it?
You?
I have a greater responsibilitythan you can possibly fathom.

(35:31):
You have the luxury of notknowing what I know, and my
existence, while grotesque andincomprehensible to you, saves
lives.
You don't want the truthbecause, deep down in places you
don't talk about at parties,you want me on that wall.
You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor code,loyalty.

(35:54):
We use these words as thebackbone of a life spent
defending something.
You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor theinclination to explain myself
to a man who rises and sleepsunder the blanket of the very
freedom that I provide and thenquestions the manner in which I
provide it.
I would rather you just saidthank you and went on your way.

(36:14):
Otherwise, i suggest you pickup a weapon and stand a post.
Either way, I don't give a damnwhat you think you are entitled
to.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
The things that anyone is looking for are the
same regardless of color, creed,gender or political stripe.
It's the politicians that tellyou different that make you
believe you're guilty of anynumber of socially unacceptable
viewpoints, even when thecurrent buzzword issues impact
you not at all.
What we are looking for arehuman rights, not preferential

(36:44):
rights.
We wish to be viewed as equalto one another, in spite of
possible discrepancies inregards to equity, not taking
from one to satiate the will ofanother or using our race,
politics or sexual proclivitiesto provide a position of
superiority over any other.
What you do in the privacy ofyour own life should remain
exactly that, your privateaffairs, not publicly crammed

(37:07):
down the throat of any who mightdisagree with you in an attempt
at forced veneration.
How badly do these people needto receive acceptance of their
personal and private lives thatthey would forgo either in their
pursuit of it?
The government, regardless ofwhich political party may be in
power, will continue to usedivisive policies and rhetoric
to hypnotize those foolishenough to take the bait into

(37:29):
believing any number of wedgeissues are the current most
pressing issues facing Canadians, when indeed what we really
need to begin to realize is thatthe government is the greatest
threat to national unity, thenbegin to find ways to safeguard
the population from fallingvictim to their ongoing partisan
charades, because while theyare distracting you, they are

(37:50):
busy doing other things thatmight actually impact you in
rather significant ways, likelimiting your access to
information or outlawing yourway of life.
They're simply banking on youbeing too divided from and
enraged at your neighbors to seethem doing it.
By that time, it's already toolate.

(38:13):
Today we're excited to featureour first ever guest on This
Canadian Thinks, Lee Bates.
Lee was actually involved inthe Freedom Convoy to Ottawa, as
well as being part of theorganizational team behind CATC,
a council designed with theintention of holding elected
representatives accountable atevery level of government,
municipal to federal.
We'll cover those topics, aswell as national unity, in our

(38:34):
conversation today.
Should also mention Lee's apersonal friend of mine and
while our conversation wasknowingly recorded, it is of a
casual nature and we didn'tscript it in any way.
There was no preset questions orotherwise outside of the
general topic of national unitybeing our baseline and to speak
about the Freedom Convoy andmore about CATC.
What you're getting in theconversation, however, is off
the cuff and akin to our usualconversations when we get

(38:57):
together, check it out.
Today we're sitting down withLee Bates from CATC.
He was a member of the TruckersFreedom Convoy in Ottawa, a
friend of mine, and I'm reallyhappy to have him on the show.
He's been teaching me all sortsof stuff and today we're going
to talk about some things andhopefully you'll find it all

(39:18):
interesting.
So welcome to the show, welcometo This Canadian Thinks.

Speaker 14 (39:22):
Thank you, it's good to be here.
I'm really happy to have thisconversation.
CATC stands for CommunitiesAccountability Transparency
Council.
It's community driven right nowand citizen driven, so it's
going to be fun.
It's a lot of hard work.

(39:42):
I'm up for the task.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Right on.
We're looking forward tohearing from you and welcome to
the show, thank you.
People have been ingrained somuch to think that the
newscaster is telling you thenews and all this other stuff,
but what they do now is theyspread propaganda.
They don't actually have news,they have the narrative and then
they have the ways that theymake that narrative become the

(40:06):
reality, and so then, howeverthey can.
You know, the other day I seena person get up on TV.
They are supposedly supposed tobe a doctor and they had seen
the leaders debate on TV andthey had said that they had
never been approached by thegovernment.
"The government said that theyapproached us and came up with a

(40:26):
plan.
They never talked to me.
They put this on TV like a realthing, like this actually
matters, like this person issomeone.
But this person is one personthey handpicked that would be
willing to go on TV and say thatgovernment never talked to me.
And how about the six layers ofbureaucracy above that person's
pay grade that actually didtalk to the government?

(40:47):
Because that's the otherproblem that we have right now,
based on NDPVS, is that we havea top heavy healthcare system
that's run by big union dudesand about six layers of
administration.
That gets paid about a quarterof a million dollars a year And
nurses are lucky if they see70,000.

(41:08):
So at that point in time, if wecould get rid of five layers of
.

Speaker 14 (41:13):
Well then, don't forget the teachers unions and
the steel workers unions.
You know you start factoring inall those groups, all those
union groups.
That's a lot of people, yes.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
And unions are.
The NDP props up unions everytime, 100%.
I was talking to somebody thismorning.

Speaker 14 (41:32):
It's the socialist way.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Sure, and I was talking to somebody this morning
I won't mention who, but hiswife was at a union meeting.
She's a nurse and she said theyhad concluded a whole bunch of
union business and then they hada fella come out and say okay,
"we'd like to talk to you aboutthe upcoming election and how
important it is that you votefor the NDP.
She stood up and said God bless.

(41:56):
Her.
Stood up there and said that'spolitics and it's got no
business in this meeting.
So good for her.
But in the meantime that'shappening all over this country,
not to mention this province.
It gets happening everywhere.
Everywhere, anywhere there's anNDP sign it's happening 100%.
And progressives this is theproblem I have.

Speaker 14 (42:16):
Think of the money that the NDP has to do that and
manipulate things So like lookat all the ads on radio TV, in
the papers that are all NDP Andthen you see a little bit of
conservative.
I know the conservatives theyhave the same.
They should have the samebudget for that election for ads

(42:38):
and whatever.
But for some reason the NDP isgetting more playtime.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Well, that's because a lot of these places, the
unions are buying theadvertising.

Speaker 14 (42:48):
That's right.
But why is that too?
Because they're buying all theother slots out too and then
selling them to you know whoeverThey want to make sure they
have the, but again, when yourmedia is paid for by the
government, then it doesn'tmatter whether it's a radio
station or what.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
you're going to be biased, You're going to give the
gravy train the time.

Speaker 14 (43:12):
They're the ones having any of the money.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Absolutely Right.
And again, like I've talkedabout this before, where I've
said like a hedge fund, you know, you get a $13 million hedge
fund.
The guy that runs the hedgefund makes $1 or $2 million a
year.

Speaker 14 (43:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Right, and our officials.
you know what is it?
$1.3 billion $3.8 billion isthe actual hedge fund of Canada.
And we got a guy we pay$375,000 a year for it, and he's
supposed to manage that and notbe corrupted, So it's a fine

(43:48):
line.
Do you pay these guys moremoney and hope that they'll look
after you better, or do you paythem less money and make them
work harder, like if there's adeficit why do they get a
paycheck?

Speaker 14 (43:57):
Right, when I get a deficit, i can't pay my bill.
Why do they get a bonus?

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Right.
Why do they get a rise ininflation when nobody else does?
Right Yeah.

Speaker 14 (44:08):
Right, yeah, because it's corrupted.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Absolutely, and another thing that would save us
a whole pile of money is if wedidn't kick in pensions as soon
as they walked out the door.
We got guys down there doingother jobs catching a pension
off the time they put ingovernment.
The rest of us have to waittill we're 65.
They don't have to.

Speaker 14 (44:24):
Yeah, they don't have to wait for their pension,
though, that's the thing.
They do three, four years.
For that one gal, almost five,six years ago, she stole a
million, give a million dollarsto all her friends and family
and shit government money.
Well then she had to resign.
That's all she.
She stole a million dollars.
She had to resign.
Yeah, you lose your job and gohome.

(44:45):
Yeah, yeah, with a pension,with a pension, yeah, for the
rest of your life.
Yeah, how sweet deal is that.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
No, no different than the governor general, and
wasn't that in the NDP, when,when, when.

Speaker 14 (44:56):
Uh, not only was, it was one of her, i think, i
think, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
And without actually getting into it, I would.
I would not want to say either,but a lot of the stuff that did
go like Rachel Notley hasalready shown us what she would
do with four years in power, soit doesn't matter what she's
telling you now.
You already know what they dowhen they get in there, so it
should be pretty obvious thatthat is the agenda.

Speaker 14 (45:26):
Well, we've seen it since the 80s NDP, um, out in
Saskatchewan, um, and then outin BC and Manitoba, and their
industry killers.
Yeah, you know people thinkthat, oh, NDP, they create
government jobs, they are union,the unions, the, um.
You know that's what's going tosave us.

(45:47):
No, that's not the drivingforce behind our economy.
It's.
It's, it's people like you andme, and and all these oil field
workers and and and agriculture.
That's what drives this, themarket, and and and the.
They're, they're killing it.
They will kill it.
Absolutely will.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
One of the things, too, that I uh and I mentioned
it in the first uh in the pilotepisode is that, uh, jobs get
announced and they say we made200,000 jobs in the last quarter
, and it sounds great, and thenyou find out that 175,000 of
those were public sector jobsand 25,000 jobs were private
jobs.
Yeah, and you think, oh, thatthat's good, right?

(46:29):
No, you didn't even make enoughprivate jobs to cover all of
the jobs your government justmade, because public sector jobs
are paid for by your taxes.
That's right.
So, like, why is that a goodthing?
It should be.

Speaker 14 (46:43):
But that's why they keep increasing taxes.
Well for the few to take careof the many.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Well, and to pay for these, that's what I mean
Exactly.

Speaker 14 (46:50):
Yeah, that's, uh, that's the way they feel it
should work.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Well, and that is also why the government is the
greatest threat to nationalunity, right, because they
divide us with policies theyknow will enrage us, for the
sole purpose of keeping usdistracted from the things
they're actually doing, exactly.
So what we need to do is figureout how we can stop that.
How can we stop that under aWest minister system?

Speaker 14 (47:19):
I think we tried to shed light on it anyway with the
convoy, because when we werethere there was no division, no
color, race, creed, religion,even.
Everybody was just a humanbeing, there for this whole

(47:39):
purpose of getting our pointacross that we're not
necessarily free.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
That radiated from there through the TVs, the
YouTubes, the Facebook.
It galvanized people outside ofthat area.
It wasn't just that you can sayhow it felt there, but for I
wasn't there.
I was doing what I could here,but in the same breath it came

(48:08):
across the country and it wasrelevant by everybody that stood
on the side of the road tocheer you on.

Speaker 14 (48:15):
The most often question I get asked, or by
people that don't think like me.
Their biggest thing is what didthe convoy prove?
You guys didn't prove nothing.
You guys went, you protested,then you went home.
There was nothing that reallywe didn't know already as

(48:43):
Canadians.
It just blew my mind because Isaid, for one, we exposed the
media for who they are, which inturn exposed the government for
who they are.
We also shed light on howpeople of any color, race, creed
can get together for the solepurpose of creating this unity

(49:09):
within this country, to fightback against the divisiveness
and the government overreach.
I don't even want to get intoCOVID right now, but then these
governments because of thispandemic or whatever after

(49:31):
they're the ones that crossed,forced all these small
businesses out of intobankruptcy and stuff, and
unemployment just skyrocketed.
Then, four months later, thingsare picking up.
and a year later, whateverthings are picking up, now
they're going.
oh, look at how many jobs wecreated.

(49:53):
People sitting on their assesbecause of this COVID thing.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
No wonder you're going to have higher employment
rates, the way they twist thenarrative to say that we've had
the highest job growth inhistory.

Speaker 14 (50:11):
You sent more people home than you have since the
Black plague, i would guess ofcourse they're going to get off
their ass and go to work, andthey have to because they're
broke.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
It's no different than even like the way and this
is a bit off topic but the waythat they try to explain to you
that nobody wants to work andthey're desperate for people to
go back to work Up until theystop giving them money.
maybe that was part of theproblem.
The reason they tell you thatis because they have these other
deals with other countries andthey need to get more migrants

(50:46):
and more refugees and moretemporary foreign workers to
come to the country under thosedeals.
They have to convince you thatyou didn't want to work at
McDonald's anyway, and neitherdo your kids.
If your kids want an entrylevel job, we should give them
to temporary foreign workers andyour kids should stay home, who
aren't so temporary, for thatmatter, and they're getting a

(51:09):
nice paycheck from thegovernment.
Well, we.

Speaker 14 (51:12):
And since Trudeau got in they've been able to vote
soon as they get into thecountry which.
I don't agree with.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I don't either.

Speaker 14 (51:20):
Because whoever's bringing them in, whether it's
conservative, liberal, whateverI think the Liberals they're
trying to get as many in aspossible.
So they've seen a play in theirplaybook that tells them that,
hey, if we dump a bunch ofimmigrants into Toronto and
Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton,wherever, and give them all this

(51:44):
money, they're going to votefor us.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Absolutely, Absolutely.
But that's the other thing toois I want to be real clear right
now that I fully supportimmigration.
I'm 100%.
Me too.
I come from immigrants.
I'm the first born grandchild.
I was born in this country.
My mother wasn't, my uncle, mygrandmother Everybody came here

(52:07):
on a boat, that's right.
And then I was born here, andso I believe in immigration 100%
.
You get the best, the brightest, the people that want to move
to your country because theylike your country and want to be
involved in the way yourcountry is.

Speaker 14 (52:20):
I'm all for it too.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
But immigration and migration are two very different
things.
And the people that are walkinginto the country, bypassing
immigration, makes immigrationworthless.
For the people that have tojump through the hoops and have
to take three years to get hereand actually show that they're
capable of doing it, those guys,it sullies it for them.

(52:43):
Why would you bother doing thatwhen you can go to Newark
Airport and walk across the road?

Speaker 14 (52:47):
Right, i just don't, you know, without getting too
much into that, i just don'tthink that people, new people
into the country, should be ableto vote right away.
They should have to at leastsee one term and a bit of.
You should be a citizen.
You should be a citizen.
Of course You should be acitizen.
But they got to go through that.
They should see how theelectoral system works.

(53:10):
And maybe they're not happyfour years later, three years
later, when they get in and theyget a new guy, and oh well,
maybe that party isn't so bad,maybe I'll keep voting for them
instead of the one that broughtme here.
Sure, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Yeah, the other part of it is that nobody knows how
their government works or any ofthat sort of stuff, so then
they're bamboozled by the brightlights right, that's the
problem.

Speaker 14 (53:31):
Everybody's so too busy.
They can't even do their ownresearch anymore, they let alone
know what's going on in theirown communities.
Really.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Well, this is it, because everybody's busy And
getting back at the truckerconvoy.
When you guys were down there,the Facebook was flooded by this
one.
A bunch of different memes, butthe one that sticks out to me
and I keep coming back to is theone where it says contact the
attorney general, call her atthis number or give her an email
at this email address, and ifshe gets X amount of people to

(54:00):
contact her right away, she willremove Justin Trudeau as prime
minister.
All you're doing is bothering alittle old lady.
There's nothing she can do.
We pay her to buy shoes andoutfits.
That's it, right?
She doesn't have the power.
At best, she doesn't have thepower.
It is only a vote andconfidence in the House, which

(54:22):
is tied to things like thebudget, that make it so that we
can decide whether or not we'rehaving an election, and it has
to be the MPs that we've electedthat decide they're willing to
skid the guy Right, And so onlythat will trigger an election.
It doesn't matter how manytimes you send an email to the
attorney general.
It's not going to happen, butmany, many people did, of course

(54:43):
, because they don't know anybetter, right?
They want you to be bamboozled.
They don't want you to know howthe system works.
They want you to bother MarySimon, because you're not
bothering Trudeau.
Exactly.
So as long as they can keep youconfused, which is why they
don't teach you proper civics inschool anymore, which is why
they don't teach you anythingabout taxation.

(55:03):
If they actually taught kidsabout taxation in high school,
more people would say screw that, i'm not doing that.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 (55:13):
Yeah Well, I'm not Too bad.
They don't teach lax laws.
Lax laws Because you know, atthe end of the day, if you
actually sit down and read Ihaven't personally, I tried a
little bit of it But there's alot of jargon in there.
That's especially the older oneI can't understand.

(55:34):
But you know it goes back tohow free we actually are and how
, and then if you think aboutthat, then how much that this
reality for us has been built upto, you know, keep us numbed.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Well, it's no different if you bombard
somebody with images of terrorand you give them an information
.
Give them information thatkeeps them on edge and scared or
unsure.
Then they are more likely to dowhat you say, because the first
person that comes in a crisisyou have any type I mean, if a
fire breaks out outside rightnow, the first person that says

(56:14):
grab that hose and let's go overhere, that's the one you're
listening to.
It's the first person thatjumped up and that's what
happens.
So the first people that jumpup for us are what we're getting
now.

Speaker 14 (56:26):
Yeah, I think you know a lot of open, a lot of
people's eyes and you know thesupport coming across to Canada
was crazy And it just built andbuilt and built as we got closer
, you know, and then you reallyseen how many people were like
you and everybody felt alone.
They didn't know how manypeople there actually were like

(56:50):
them.
Yeah, you know, for one reasonor another, not all of them
might have the same intimateknowledge of, and done the
amount of research that somepeople have done.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
But some people were just locked in their houses.
Yeah, like literally Literally,they listened to the TV.

Speaker 14 (57:06):
They asked on and they know that being forced to
do something they don't want iswrong, so they hide away and
some of those people.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
It wasn't just a case of that them doing what they
were told to do.
It was just a case of you knowwhat?
I don't want the confrontationRight.
I don't want to be bothered.
I don't want to, you know.
So they stayed home, exactly,and they didn't know how many
other people were out there.

Speaker 14 (57:25):
And they lost their jobs, that's why they close
churches and bars.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Where are the two places you're most likely to
speak your mind and come up withsomething, come up with a plan
about something.
Exactly You know you fellowship, where you drink, where you
gather, so you got to closethose sorts of things if you're
going to make something likethis work.

Speaker 14 (57:44):
And there was people like me that just didn't want
to see our country go down thatroad, because once you start
allowing the government to docertain things, like you know
now, they're doing the gun grabthing And they're creating, you

(58:05):
know, black swan events andblack flag events, whatever.
You know the.
You know the one out in NewBrunswick I think it was.
If you look at the evidence,and maybe the lack of thereof in
some cases, you can see that itwas possibly a manufactured job

(58:27):
.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Absolutely.

Speaker 14 (58:28):
Right And all one.
Should you know.
If you're a critical thinker,you will start reading other
materials and research and cometo your own conclusion, Whether
that is right or wrong.
That makes the whole difference.
You're looking at differentangles.
You know when some papers aregoing to twist it in other ways.

(58:49):
Well, I've often said But itbecame a political move for the
liberals.
Sure Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
And the freedom convoy.
So yeah, freedom convoygalvanized everybody.
Everybody felt pretty goodabout that.
When it all finally came downin a heap of UN foot soldiers
and chaos, you know, I thinkeverybody decided had a huge
wave of disgust upon the entirenation when a fella used a horse
to trample a lady in a scooter.

Speaker 14 (59:20):
Well, yeah, it was one of the clan mothers actually
So, and she had a walker,that's what it was.
They tried to see somebody rodea bike underneath the horse to
try and hurt the horse.
Do you know?
See how they spin that?

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Well, and you could, but you could see it with your
own eyes on TV.
But you could.
Yeah, it was like you know.
The guy's like did you see whathappened there?
And you're like, no, you didn't, because what they were saying
and what they were, they wereliterally showing you video on
TV, right, and telling you thatthe opposite was happening.
I know It was so insane.

Speaker 14 (59:54):
Like it was just.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
To me, it was like the disconnect between the
production and the facts werejust.

Speaker 14 (01:00:01):
Well, this is how sick and perverted those people
are that are trying to createthis narrative for us, right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Well, that's just it.
Somebody said to me one timethat it doesn't matter whether
you believe in the Bible.
What matters is that people doRight, and so it doesn't matter
what part of the Bible theybelieve in.
You know, a lot of them maybehave the idea that they need to
make sure that happens.
Yeah, and so just because theythink they're on the side of

(01:00:34):
good, because they're trying tomake the book come to pass,
doesn't mean the things they'redoing in order to do that are
are going to be the good thingsor the right things.
And so it's their obsession withthat that causes a lot of
problems as well.
Yeah, yeah.
So I mean, like I heard at onepoint in time that they were

(01:00:56):
going to build another altar onthe mount and sacrifice a red
heifer, and this is like, withinthe last couple of years, that
I hear this.
Yeah, how does it make sense tosacrifice a red heifer on the
mount?

Speaker 14 (01:01:12):
Well, Pope Francis goes to I think it was Saudi in
the order of the UAE and they'retrying to bring the three big
religions together.
They're building a hugefacility with three buildings,
that kind of interconnected inthis, and I guess it's going to

(01:01:34):
be in some pagan shape.

Speaker 12 (01:01:35):
This is what I'm guessing.
If you know a symbol orsomeone's, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:01:38):
But and then, and then try and tell everybody that
, oh, we've come together, it'sa one world, so one world
religion.
Sure, so that goes intorevelations and whatever.
So so they're trying to createwhat this book is telling them
Absolutely Right, and so that'swhat you mean.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Like you, literally it doesn't matter.
Like you can say, i don'tbelieve in any of that sort of
stuff.
It doesn't affect me, i don'tcare, but it does because as
long as people do, it's going toaffect you.

Speaker 14 (01:02:08):
Yeah, But pretty soon all that builds up right,
And if you're complacent and youdon't educate yourself, then
you'll find that you're going tobe in a position that you don't
want to be in, And by then it'sgoing to be too late.
Well, that's what history Andthis is why the convoy went when

(01:02:29):
it did, because it's like, look, somebody's got to do something
to wake some people up to thefact that this shit is going on,
and I think it did that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Absolutely Yep.

Speaker 14 (01:02:41):
Right And it even went global And people are still
protesting for this day.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
For the first time, the US wrote our coattails.
It was fantastic.
Hey, that's great, we're goingto do that too.
Hey, normally it's the otherway around.
We're like, what transgenderism?
Heck, sign us up, but like,yeah, so outside of the Freedom
Convoy right Coming out of there, people maybe think that the

(01:03:11):
trucks went home and nothingelse happened.
I know a lot of people.
I've heard lots of people say,well, what happened to the
truckers?

Speaker 14 (01:03:18):
Well, there was, you know, micro convoys buzzing
around all over the place,shutting down the highway too
for a couple hours every secondweek or so, yeah, yeah, but I
think you know that ship issailed now and everybody's
settling into the fact that,well, you can only do that for
so long before you know the banktakes your house Absolutely

(01:03:41):
That sort of thing right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Well, and you're up against the biggest opposition
that you've ever had, eventhough our money system is Yeah,
let's not get into that.
No, but I mean just in terms ofsheer power, the government of
Canada is the biggest entity wewould face.
I mean, you could not go upagainst that as a you or me
person and not get crushed.
It's a David and Goliath moment, because they have the ability

(01:04:05):
and the lawyers and your taxmoney, yeah Yeah, so they're
pretty well funded.
Right, you're going to run outof money first, exactly.

Speaker 14 (01:04:14):
So then you know there was well then, there still
is people popping up everywhere, even such as yourself, in this
program right now.
Right, We're still fighting thefight, but we're doing it in
different ways.
Absolutely Right, And stilltrying to wake more people up,
because it's part of that.

(01:04:35):
Like you heard of theexperiment, the hundred monkeys
thing, right, But I think Iposted that on Facebook the
other day, or whatever.

Speaker 8 (01:04:42):
Absolutely.

Speaker 14 (01:04:44):
Right.
So you know, the collectiveconsciousness is a real thing,
absolutely.
And the guy on that at the end,he's absolutely correct, right,
you know?
I want to.
You know, until we reach thehundred monkey, we have to keep
trying to expose, and ourgovernments, and even

(01:05:09):
international entities andwhatever, we have to try and
expose them and wake more peopleup until we reach that hundred
monkey, and then the wholecollective goes holy shit, we
have been lied to.
Our whole life has beenfabricated.
My mom and dad's life has beenfabricated, my grandma and
grandpa's life has beenfabricated and they don't even

(01:05:30):
fucking know it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Well, I'll tell you.

Speaker 14 (01:05:32):
Well, they start my mom and dad are starting you
know, they're getting it, but

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Well, i'll tell you here's a perfect example for you
how history exists.
So you and I took in highschool we took the French
Revolution in social studies,and it was social 10.
And what they taught us wasthat the people of France got

(01:05:56):
sick of being oppressed, so theywent to the palace and they
pulled old Louis and Antoinetteout, they lopped their heads off
with a guillotine and had awonderful democracy ever since.
And that's what we're taught.
And the truth is is that theguillotine had never before been
used, and it wasn't the peopleof France that did it, It was
the Jacobins.
And the Jacobins came along andthey lied to the people and

(01:06:20):
they said listen, you know, theyhave it pretty good in there
And you guys, you know, you guysare pretty much getting the
shaft.
And they're awful.
They're terrible.
You should listen to us And thepeople listening hearing it to
all this BS they bought it Andthe Jacobins said don't worry,

(01:06:40):
you won't have to do anything,we'll do it for you, we'll fix
it.
And the Jacobins went to thepalace and the Jacobins trotted
out this thing and everybody oohla la, what is this?
It's a guillotine.
It had never been used inFrench history before.
They used it as a measure totell you exactly what they
planned to do, and they cut theheads off of the rulers.
And the French people sufferedfrom the guillotine from that

(01:07:02):
point forward, under some of themost arduous and terrible times
ever faced by the French people.
At that time, they outlawedChristianity.
By the time the Jacobins weredefeated, there was only two
Christian churches working inthe entire country, and they
were doing so by threat of deathunderground.
They took over Notre Dame, tookevery auspice of Christianity

(01:07:25):
out of it and hung up a mermaidfor the people to worship.
This is the truth, yeah, and noone gets taught this part in
high school It wasn't until anoutside institution came to
France and liberated them fromthe Jacobins did they ever see
any kind of freedom.
They were more free under Louisand Antoinette than they were

(01:07:46):
ever free under the Jacobins.

Speaker 14 (01:07:48):
That's right.
And you're also taught that.
You know, Marie Antoinette wascrazy and she's the first one,
she's the one that used theguillotine and killed thousands
of French dissidents, and youknow, whatever right.
And it's all a bunch ofbullshit.
Just like the United Stateswouldn't be the United States if
it weren't for Russia.
It was Tsar Alexander orwhatever.

(01:08:11):
When the Civil War, I believe,the British and French actually
made a treaty that they weregoing to go across and take it
and then divvy up the spoils.
Sure, well, there was all thisinfighting or whatnot, right?
So the Tsar of Russia said no,no, no, this isn't happening.

(01:08:31):
He placed all the ships, navalships, along the Pacific and the
fucking Atlantic coastlines andsaid no, you guys stay out, let
them fight it out and be, andthen they'll come to their
conclusions.
And that's what happened Andthe America was allowed to
become America, but that'swritten out of history.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Right.
We're led to believe that atsome point in time somebody came
over here and gave the Indiansa bad time right off the bat.
And then here we are Right.
But and again, I don't agreewith any of the way that the
treaties or any of that sort ofstuff worked out.
I think it was in the worstinterest of the indigenous

(01:09:15):
people to enter into thoseagreements, But I also don't
think that there was no way tohave a unification And that's
what needed to happen right offthe bat.

Speaker 14 (01:09:25):
Well back then it wasn't unification, it was
assimilation.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Absolutely, and that's the thing too.
It didn't matter here oranywhere up until that time.
You rolled into a country andyou won the fight and then you
instilled your ideas Right, andnormally there were some other
awful things, like you know,trying to outbreed the ancestry
and stuff like that involved aswell, which perhaps and this

(01:09:54):
won't make anybody happy butperhaps the use of treaties and
reservations actually managed tohelp preserve the Native
American race.
Possibly, but I'm not, that's adifferent story.
That's a little off topic forthis conversation.

Speaker 14 (01:10:11):
So yeah, getting back to what we've been doing,
you know I've been doing myselfpersonally we've been doing a
fair amount of fighting the goodfight Some friends of mine
would.
When I first got home, we hadto go park the trucks in front
of colleges and agriculturalcolleges mostly, like Olds and

(01:10:33):
Vermillion and Medicine Hat, andjust invite people to come and
have a conversation.
We didn't go out of our way oranything if people wanted to
come and talk, and it was good.
The younger generation did havequestions and concerns as well,
and some of them were wellinformed.
I was surprised There's not somuch.

(01:10:53):
So I think it was good for usto see where they were sitting,
more than them, probably gettinginformation for months or
whatever.
I enjoyed it probably more thanthey did, but yeah So anyway.
Yeah so then that kind of youknow, along with the convoy

(01:11:15):
stuff, kind of kind ofdissipated over time because it
was pissing more people off thanit was helping anymore, i find.
And so then I took more of apolitical stance, like no, maybe
we can get somebody in withsome different views and he's

(01:11:36):
there for the people and whatnot.
So I went on a little campaigndrive with Joseph Brigot and
that went really well, otherthan the conservative party
often seeming finding ways itseemed to oust him And in fact

(01:11:58):
that's what happened.
We didn't come up with enoughor money or something like that.
I don't know what exactlyhappened there, but anyway.
So okay, well, that isn't goingto get it done.
Now, what else do you do And youknow I've been involved in a
number of different things, butas of late I've been part of

(01:12:19):
this citizens group council.
Say that we've been trying to.
We've been putting togethernationally called CATC It's
Citizens AccountabilityTransparency Council.
I call it NCATC because it'snational.
We're trying to do municipalright now and build from the

(01:12:43):
bottom up, because I think wethink that that's probably the
best approach and it's the mostimportant and it gets more
people involved.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Trying to get more people involved.
Is this like a political party,or is it like an association or
?

Speaker 14 (01:13:02):
Well, right now I guess it's a non-profit
organization or not for profit.
You know it's still in theformation, right, absolutely,
because we're still building it.
So those questions are probablybetter off asked to you know,
the council head or something.
Absolutely, I'm the Albertarepresentative is what I am, And

(01:13:25):
there's another girl that helpsout up north a bit and she's
into BC.
Serena Freedom Bear a few yearsago.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
I was at your presentation at your farm, where
you spoke quite in depth aboutCATC, and I just thought, maybe,
perhaps for our listeners thatmaybe wouldn't know whether or
not it was, whether it waspolitical or in terms of like a
party or that's right.

Speaker 14 (01:13:50):
Yeah, no, it's not a party, it's more of a citizen's
awareness.
We want to bring accountabilityand transparency into
government.
Well, how do you do that?
Well, I think you start at thebottom levels, in like municipal
level, say, and you'd bevigilant.
You see, you know what are theytrying to pass that are that's

(01:14:11):
affecting you and going toaffect your family's future
really.
The biggest one now is the 15minute city thing in the cities,
you know.
But you know there was also upin Thorhill, i believe it was
they under the which bylaw wasthe land use bylaw.

(01:14:34):
They were trying to dictate whatfarmers could do on their own
property and how many buildingsthey had, and, if you know, you
had to permit it.
So it was more of a money grabthan anything.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
It's a big problem in Sherwood Park right now.
I was just up there a littlewhile ago and there was a farmer
up there I was talking to andhe was selling stock because he
was allowed to sell the stockand make money on it and then
anything that he had to downsizedue to the bylaw, he was paid a
certain amount of money perhead on top of it from the local

(01:15:05):
municipality.
And the thing is is that hesaid that everybody that had a
small farm in that area that assoon as it goes up for sale, the
developers come in and offerover asking price And then they
clear everything out, put agiant mansion on there.
Somebody that doesn't live inthe area comes out and then they
start to complain about thesmell of the animal feces or the
smell all of these sorts ofthings, or the noise from cows

(01:15:29):
or this sort of stuff.
And then they are politicallymotivated.
The guy that I was talking to, Imean he probably hasn't seen a
voting booth in 100 years And soyou know.
but the people that are aroundhim are politically motivated.
So these land use bylaws, theyknow that they can get ahold of
those and they're that onecompany writes it for you.

(01:15:49):
So I mean it's pretty easy todo and everybody knows that easy
is the first way people go.
Right.
So now he's forced to sell.
He's been living there for thelast 40 years.
He's forced to sell down hisoperation in order to remain
there.
And the bylaw officer came outone time and he looked around

(01:16:09):
and he's seen his livestock andhe told him oh, we don't, we
would never give a permit forthis kind of operation.

Speaker 14 (01:16:15):
Good, heavens And it's not grandfathered.
But these are the policies thatare implemented or they're
trying to implement within ourlocal governments.
Even that, we need peoplecouncils to be vigilant and
fight for the people that aren'taware and make them aware.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Help educate your local people Well that's, and
that's one of the reasons Istarted this podcast.
People don't understand howgovernment works.
They don't know how the basicany of these sorts of things are
important.
People need to learn how thingswork.
We talk about recalllegislation, about being able to
pull politicians out of jobs,all of this sort of stuff, and

(01:17:00):
nobody understands how difficultit is to remove an elected
official.
It's virtually impossible tocost them their job unless they
trip on their dick Yeah,literally.
And even then they resign, theygo home, they don't go to jail
and we still pay them Right, andthis is.

(01:17:22):
But, more importantly, againthese same people that we're
paying are coming up with waysto pit us against each other.
I was watching a thing and Ithink I shared it where there's
a fellow going off abouttransgenderism and he says we
don't really care about it.
What we care about is the factthat you can't go anywhere

(01:17:44):
without being shoved down yourthroat.
You say you're the mostpersecuted people, but you're
the most protected people andstuff like that.
And again, i'm not trying toget into the transgender
argument.
However, the point I'm trying tomake is is that everybody in
Canada, this great big meltingpot when I was growing up, they
said it's a melting pot.
We got people from everywhere.

(01:18:05):
We all get along.
That's why it's great.
So I don't care if you'retransgender, be transgender.
I don't have to accept what youbelieve or what you think in
order for us to be able to livetogether.
And so governments they go outof their way to find these
divisive topics and blow themout of proportion and put them

(01:18:27):
out there so that that way itmakes it, so you're distracted
from the things they're doing.

Speaker 14 (01:18:32):
Right, and that's a national policy that's being
forced down our throats.
But even at the local level,with these land use bylaws and
stuff, we need people everywhereacross this country to come
together, unify.
So this is one part of CATC too.
It's going to help unifycitizens groups all over the

(01:18:56):
country, sure, and then it'screating a network that other
CATC can lean on to educatethemselves how to deal with that
certain situation.
Basically, right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
And maybe make some more capacity for people to
understand how political systemworks or how local governance
works Right.

Speaker 14 (01:19:23):
Right?
Well, the thing is is we'velost touch with this, the
political and the citizen aspect, like they don't co-mingle
anymore, right?
Whereas CATC we're trying toshed light onto that and bring
people more into the politicalescape so that they can

(01:19:48):
understand it and make informeddecisions.
Sure, right.
So how do you do that?
Well, you got to start thesegroups across the country.
That's what we've been doing.
One of my good friends, MartinBrodman.

(01:20:09):
He come to me and said, "hey, ihave this idea.
I read his mission statementabout CATS, sure, and I said
there was something I felt I hadto do, because it was, i think,
anytime you can unify thecountry, you know, and we have
doctors, we have plumbers, wehave whatever you know as long

(01:20:32):
as and that's the way it shouldbe to be part of CATS, though,
you can't, you can't be in apolitical organization, actually
municipal or in municipal powerof any, in any way, because you
can't.
That way, you can't be swayedin one way or the other.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Because you're not holding public office.
You're just a.

Speaker 14 (01:20:51):
No, you're just a true citizen Sure, That you know
, will have a say.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
If you wanted to run for politics, you'd give up your
seat in CATC for example.

Speaker 14 (01:21:02):
Exactly, you would have to do that And I was going
to do that.
I was thinking of running inthis election for but things
don't work out sometimes the waythey.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Well, and sometimes it might be, maybe you don't
want to.

Speaker 14 (01:21:19):
It might be for the best, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
We had Poilierre tried twice.
You know this isn't his firstrun it at .

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Yeah, he succeeded.

Speaker 14 (01:21:28):
I don't know if I want to get into that either.
Like, i think CATC is such animportant thing, sure That, and
a lot of people can benefit fromit, and that's that's the thing
, because I've been and a lot ofdifferent people.
It doesn't matter.
You know, there's no divisionhere.
We all just see a better futurefor Canada and the more
informed people are, the betterit is.

(01:21:50):
But like right now, let's say,in Canada, i don't know what the
true numbers are, but usuallyit's only a third of the
population that's actuallyvoting.
Oh yeah, you know you.
You have a right to vote inthis country and you don't do it
.
You know you.
You have a right.
You do have a voice.
Well, there's it's apathy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
It's apathy.
People say what can I doExactly?
Well, you could start by votingYeah And just yesterday I found
somebody that they they werelike I was going to vote, but I
don't really know who to votefor and I don't really know
anything about them, and so Ijust figured you know, if I
don't know, it's better, if Ijust don't, great, well then
educate yourself, Then figure itout, like so.
We had a conversation,obviously, and I explained to

(01:22:29):
her some of the differentpositions that both parties had,
and one of the things that shehad brought up is about how she
had gotten a raise at one pointwhile the, the um NDP was in
power and how it had been scaledback under the UCP, obviously
because the NDP balloons uppublic services.

Speaker 14 (01:22:48):
That's just, if it doesn't directly happen to you,
then you don't really give ashit, sure.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Right, but.
But once you explain tosomebody that the way that they
are getting that isunassustainable and that they
can't you know they can't keepdoing that, so eventually it's
going to hurt you worse becausethat program will disappear,
because it won't be able tosustain itself.
Once you start to explain thatto people, they, they get a
different perspective.

Speaker 14 (01:23:10):
Well and typically that happens through the cycle
of that party, and then theother party has to come along
and correct it.
Well, of course there's acorrection And it takes four
years to fix the corrections andthen you have to do four years
of doing your own thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Exactly So then people automatically give them a
eight year mandate.
That's like Chinese torture.
It is, and it's the Lib Connightmare.
Besides that, because you havethe, the liberals and the
conservatives are basically twoheads on the same snake.
So tell me some things that youthink cats would have to come
up against in terms of thedivision or the disunity within

(01:23:44):
the country created by thegovernment in your pursuit of
unifying the country.

Speaker 14 (01:23:51):
Oh well, that's a pretty good question actually.
Well, I think I think thebiggest thing is is a lot of
people don't want to step out ofthe their comfort level, their
comfort zone, right, and andmake that conscious decision to
to stand up for not justyourself but for other people,
and I think the the the biggestthing is is to get people

(01:24:14):
motivated.
Is is one of the hardest things.
As for the coming up againstthe government, it's the
government.
They still have all the power,right.
But if, if cats can get in aposition where our say does
matter, you know you have tostart somewhere, right, sure,
and you have to build something.
But we're hoping critical massdoes that.

(01:24:37):
If we get a critical mass where, hey, you know, there's 10
million people in this countrythat that are saying that this
is wrong, well, maybe thereshould be some investigate,
proper investigations done, youknow, by citizen councils.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
You mean you don't want to use your next door
neighbor at the Chateau for that?

Speaker 14 (01:25:03):
Yeah Well, exactly right.
Oh, I didn't know, Justin, mydaughter's did.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 14 (01:25:12):
Yeah, Yeah, Oh, was she 13?
You know so.
but yeah, I think, as far asthe government, the government
can do whatever they want.
they can call us whatever theywant and they're going to, I'm
sure, I'm sure they're going totry and debunk our whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Well, look how vilified they made Take Back
Alberta Right.
Which was that blew me away.
Take Back Alberta gets a bunchof people organized to become
actively involved in theirdemocracy.
And then the all the punditsand the people in the
universities and the otherpoliticians are like we can't
have organizations like TakeBack Alberta getting involved in

(01:25:55):
their democracy, right.

Speaker 14 (01:25:57):
We have to stop that like, oh, how awful, they got a
bunch of people involved like,well, where I think CATC Is
different from all that is, isthat, hopefully, within the
communities and municipalitiesand stuff, the people that are
doing that are gonna, are gonnabe active Yeah, they're, they're

(01:26:18):
going to Help make change inthe community and other people
are gonna see that right andthen they're gonna get on board
And they're gonna and they'regonna be more aware and all this
stuff right, not unlike a lobbygroup in a way Right, but, but
it's more just.
You know, citizens wanting totake care of themselves.

Speaker 9 (01:26:37):
We don't we don't.

Speaker 14 (01:26:38):
We don't need the government to take care of us.
We're doing it on our ownanyway, absolutely right.
So but just, yes, we realizethere has to be checks and
balances, there has to be lawsand whatever.
That's that's fine, but one itwhen it leans one way too far.
Yeah, that's where, that'swhere there has to be a
correction.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Well, there's no accountability or equality.
You're not looking at allpeople.
You can't just carry, pick theone that you want, right?
that you're gonna say this isit is Everyone right?
like that's the idea behindCanada again.
Melting pot right, you knowwe're all supposed to be in it
together, so like, if that's thetruth, this is the stuff that

(01:27:20):
was come up with.
Pure one that came up with thisstuff.

Speaker 14 (01:27:23):
Mm-hmm you know, true, don't want but we lost our
first farm because of Pierreone sure and all his shenanigans
, and the inflation andAbsolutely, but again, we.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
If you look back in history and you see Pierre
Trudeau, you can see theproblems that were created by
that sort of governance.
And yet we repeat it, becausenew voters come in and they say
well, we're gonna legalizemarijuana, we're gonna do this
or we're gonna make it.
So they pay less for school orwhatever and they believe
whatever they peddle.
Because there's no law inCanada that says that

(01:27:57):
politicians can't lie to you.
They can tell you anything theywant in a political add and you
have to swallow it or not,because they don't have to be
accountable for the things theysay, and So and there's no group
or whatever that I know of thatdoes hold them accountable.

Speaker 14 (01:28:13):
And that's kind of where we want to step in and and
become known enough that andbig enough critical mass that
they have to Accept us like thegun group in the States, kind of
thing.
But this is more of a broader.
I just mean in terms of likeyou're saying, sheer numbers

(01:28:34):
right like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
I'm not trying to compare with it.
No, no, that's like I'm justsaying, like the NRA, whether
you like the NRA or not, in theUS They are a huge iteration
when a politician is trying tomake legislation because they
are so big critical mass, likeyou said yeah, We were hoping
that would happen with theconvoy Yeah.
I think it came a lot closerthan you might, even like you

(01:28:58):
might.
I know that you know It wassuccessful, but I think that it
went a lot farther than even youunderstand, because it did go
globally.
But, like I, you, being in yourposition, had your perspective.
And so then there there's otherpeople outside of that sphere
that had a different perspective.
That was very similar.

Speaker 14 (01:29:16):
Right, yeah right, but it was crazy how we were all
there be, you know, as acollective, oh to You know, with
, with one thing in mind.
It was, you know, we ralliedaround one thing.
We rallied around, i guess, youknow, everybody had other
Things.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
I think I think there , i think you overlooked the
political motivation as well.
I know people that had no ideaanything political that now are
engaged and like angry aboutwhat's going on, because it was
like they came and I'd be likethere, what are you doing?
And I'm like, well, I'm runningsome logistics for this and I'm

(01:29:54):
watching a whole pile of livefeed from Ottawa and they're
like what's going on?
I'm like, well, you shouldprobably check this out.
And then, next thing you know,they're sitting in my Living
room and they're looking attheir phone and they're not
having a conversation with youanymore three weeks later,
because they're like did you seethis guy?
that's, this guy that'swandering around?
there is a war campaign guy.

(01:30:15):
Oh man, this is crazy.
You know, like it was justgalvanized.
Not only galvanized, but butjust like it gave people hope
outside of that that square theywere trying to plug everybody
in.

Speaker 14 (01:30:29):
100 percent it didn't like the biggest thing I
heard.
One of the number of the thingsI heard there were we were, we
thought we were alone.
Yeah, you know people werescared.
You know that they were aloneand Thinking with their thoughts
and thinking they're goingcrazy, being chastised in their
own towns and family's not evenright.
And and some people said I wasgonna commit suicide.

(01:30:55):
I had two or three of those aday when I was down there come
to my truck.
It was so sad man, it was verysad, just because, well, either
they couldn't work for theirfamilies and gain enough money,
or or just the lunacy wasgetting to them because of these
, these idiotic policies thatman is a man should I say right

(01:31:17):
and Yeah, so, so, yeah, we wantto give Canadians hope that
there's there's going to be acouncil out there of strictly
citizens that know what's goingon and want to want to help the
rest of humanity by by thwartingoff some of these globalist

(01:31:41):
ideals that are now creepinginto a lot of progressive, like,
say, this whole school thing inthe and the grooming of
children and such right, or thefurries letting kids have Litter
boxes in schools.
Now our hometown might even haveone, have two of them in there

(01:32:03):
right now, you know, but it butit's people like to say the
janitor, that kind there was,can't remember where it was.
But the janitor said, well,we're just not dealing with it.
So, so the teachers can rightwell, pretty soon no, it's not
allowed in that school anymore.
So we need people to stand upand even even that's a small win
for us, right, like that's,because it tells other people

(01:32:25):
that, look, this is wrong, this,we don't need to cater to these
ideals that that are corrupting, you know, our children's minds
.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
I just find it hard that when children.
On that note, I just find ithard to we understand
Scientifically that yourprefrontal cortex, where most of
your main decision-making ismade, doesn't develop until
you're 25 years old.
So if your gender dysphoriastill exists at 26 and that's
what's gonna help you along thenthen let's discuss it then.

(01:32:59):
But when you're 16, when you're13, 12 years old or or whatever
, even up till 25, how do youknow that that's not just
something else like, perhaps,gender-dysphoria?

Speaker 14 (01:33:14):
I call it being impulsive.
It's a lot of impulsiveness.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Well, aren't teenagers one of the most
impulsive creatures on theplanet?
percent.
So, you know, what's good todaymight not be good tomorrow, and
it's difficult to go back whenyou've you've gone that far
right And we need to protectpeople from that, just because
we already know That that withintheir you know their
development just isn't thereright.

(01:33:37):
And if, if after that, you wantto go ahead and do it, then I'm
all for it.
Whatever you want, Whateverfloats your boat.
Again, the melting pot meansthat, if I respect your ability
to say whatever you want, justlike me, like we can have our
own opinions and our own stuff,but when it comes time to stand
at the grocery store, we'restanding at the grocery store
like two regular people.
We're not stabbing each other,fighting right, that's what it's

(01:34:00):
supposed to be right and then.

Speaker 14 (01:34:01):
And that's what CATC brings, and it also brings
awareness to your communitiesthat things are happening that
they may not be aware of.
And it's not just the municipalgovernment that cats will be is
all kind of running over watchon, it's your school boards and

(01:34:22):
And and things like that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
People aren't learning everything that they
need to know out of thetelevision and the nightly news.
Yeah, well, yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:34:32):
Or radio or podcasts , right, but, but the thing is
is with CATC, is I think thatwe're trying to do a good thing
here?
Yeah, because I think everybodycan, can, can, agree, even

(01:34:53):
Whatever your political stanceis, there's no accountability in
politics, no, no, there has andthere's no transparency from
the politics and the governmentto its citizens, like if you
have you know, you think aboutit.
We're a hundred years probablybehind in technology that the
military has right now.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Well, they don't give you the straight goods.
I try to tell that to peopleall the time.
There's a new technology comeout And I say that's, that's
what you get.
They already Decided that thatwas enough and whatever else is
out there, they already havemore going on than that, right,
you know, they, they, theytrickle it out to you.

Speaker 14 (01:35:34):
So yeah, if we can, if we, we as this, an
organization or councils can,can help educate people and and
maybe save some of us someEnglish.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
So how would somebody get involved?
if they wanted to get or knowmore about cats or or get
involved with it, how would theydo that?

Speaker 14 (01:35:55):
Well, we have website catc dot org, catcorg
org, and, just you know, fillout the paperwork or whatever if
you want to get involved andand we can either get you in
touch with somebody within yourarea that is already doing it,
or maybe you might be a foundingmember in your area and in

(01:36:20):
which case You'll be coming tothe Weekly meetings.
On I don't, i think we switchfrom zoom now I can't remember
what it's on that to handle theamount of people, because we're
getting a lot of positivefeedback And there's a lot of
people that want to get involvednow and and feel that it's it's
not important, you know, and Ithink we got to get back to

(01:36:43):
community based looking aftereach other.
I know, when I was a kid, we itwas a little more prevalent
Than it is today because and nowit's just you know, everybody's
trying to beat the Joneses andAnd nobody could give a shit
about anybody else, right?

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Well, and again they've got all these things
bombarding them that makes it sothat they hate their neighbor.
I mean, if you think that youknow, and you get these, these
policies or advertisingcampaigns or you name it,
whatever it is, you know itdrives that division again and
It happens in yourmunicipalities, it happens at

(01:37:22):
the federal level, theprovincial level.
There They, they drive thatnarrative where we don't need to
be angry at our neighborbecause we actually have more in
common with them.
Then we would think it's thesedivisive techniques that the
government uses that keeps usfrom being able to see that.

Speaker 14 (01:37:39):
That's right.
No, you know, if CATC can, can,can unify people and You know
there's people within CATC thathave different, different views
and opinions and that's allowed.
Obvious.
You have to, you know, becauseyou have to look at all angles.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Well, again you're looking, it's Everybody.
If they're gonna have a councilthat represents everybody, you
need to have everybodyrepresented right, right, from
all walks of life.

Speaker 14 (01:38:09):
You know all job statuses that don't matter.
You could be a clerk at thequickie mark.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 14 (01:38:16):
And you'd be on this council.
As long as you're active inyour community and and you know
what's what's going on with thebills and policies are trying to
pass and Helping inform otherpeople, then you fit that.
You fit that role when our CATCwere 100% or willing to learn,

(01:38:36):
or willing to learn and and andyeah, there's a lot of people
now that that, um, new, newsignees can learn off of and
experiences and stories.
And you know, we all, if youcome into it like a sponge and
wanting to absorb a lot of greatinformation and meet new people

(01:39:01):
and And make new friendships,man, that's what it's about, you
know well, getting closer topeople and the community and it
sounds like a great initiative,and we do need more capacity.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Again, this podcast is a direct result of the fact
that we don't have enoughcapacity.
We don't have enough peoplethat know what's going on at any
level.
I mean they just They don'tteach people, because the more
it is that you don't know, theeasier it is to Have you do what

(01:39:36):
they want you to right and tojust just let them do what they
want right, or or you keep thepeople so busy, thinking that
they need to chase down thealmighty dollar That they don't
they.

Speaker 14 (01:39:49):
They lose sight of what's important and what's in
front of them.
It's keeping people busy,distractions, divisiveness, it's
.
I want you realize This littleweb that you're in is a bunch of
BS.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Your life becomes a lot simpler actually well, and
you don't see the web anymore.

Speaker 14 (01:40:15):
But but you, you can kind of manipulate things,
though you know that have to dowith you and how you you react
to Certain things or how youcontrol certain situations and
stuff By saying no, for instance, no, i'm not gonna, i'm not
gonna play that game, i'm notgonna wear a mask.
You know, if you've done yourresearch, you would know then

(01:40:39):
that masks.
If you look back at the Spanishinfluenza, that Mask caused
more bacterial pneumonia andkilled more people than the
actual Spanish flu.
And guess who did a Thesis onthat?
Dr Anthony Fauci.
So he knew, yeah, he knew, heknows, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Again, do your research well, and I've said too
.
So the government's job is notto Tell me to get vaccinated.
The government's job is not totell me to stay home.
The government's job is not totell me where and when and how I
can go somewhere, unless, ofcourse, i'm under duress for a
legal pursuit or something.
Perhaps maybe you know, have anankle monitor.

(01:41:22):
They can tell me where to gobecause I've been a bad fella.
But other than that, thegovernment's job is not to do
any of that sort of stuff.
If the government hasInformation and they want me to
make the right decision, it'sincumbent upon the government to
give me all of that informationso that that way I Can make the
right decision.
And it's not about them hidinginformation, it's about them

(01:41:44):
giving it all to me, telling meabout how masks do not work but
you may feel better wearing oneor Or whatever but give me the,
give me the straight goods sothat that way, when I make the
decision to wear the mask, or Imake the decision to get
vaccinated or don't, i feel goodabout that decision and my
government isn't left beingResponsible for me having done

(01:42:07):
that right.

Speaker 14 (01:42:07):
But when the information out there too is
driven by huge money andtrickled down and other other
Studies say, and information areSuppressed, it's pretty hard
for people to make an actualeducated decision when they're

(01:42:29):
only given one thing to read.
This is true, yeah, right.
So so how do we, how?
How do we get that other, that,the other half of that
information?
How do we get that?

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
by starting councils and podcasts.

Speaker 14 (01:42:45):
Exactly Right, right , Well, yeah, well you you got
to start somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
Absolutely, i know.
I agree 100%.

Speaker 14 (01:42:52):
Yeah, and and our organization is gonna feed off
of people like you, because youguys are getting a word out
there which is, which is awesome, and it's nice to see someone
at the local level doing thisright?

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
Well, I want to thank you for coming on today.
Well, I appreciate I've had agreat time talking to you.
It's always a great timetalking to you.
So Are you doing any kind ofpresentations that anybody could
get involved with there,anything?

Speaker 14 (01:43:24):
Well, you know, people can get a hold of me.
I'm.
I don't know if I want to putanything up there right now, but
I anyway.
People can get ahold of CATC,they'll go through network or
whatever, and I you know I cancome and do a presentation here
or there to to inform otherareas in the country, but you

(01:43:46):
know I'm fairly busy.
So nothing, I got nothingplanned right now.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
There might be something up in the
Lloydminister here in you know,three or four weeks maybe well,
you let you, let us know andwe'll, we'll post it on the
Twitter feed and cool.

Speaker 14 (01:43:59):
And.
Facebook and stuff and letpeople know what's going on you
know there might be one in my,in my shop again.
Sure, yeah it's.
It's hard to say.
I'm just kind of flying by thesea to my pounds trying to talk
to as many people as I can, butI find it difficult when I, you
know, I got to coach ball andrun a farm and a couple other
businesses and so it gets alittle.

(01:44:20):
Yeah, it gets a little dauntingat times, but I am getting back
to the CATC thing now again andIt's been fun, it's it's been
busy, but I think it's it'sworth it And I think maybe it
gives other people hope andthey'll they'll maybe go out and
and educate other people too to.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
Let's start somewhere .
One person tells one persontells one person and tells one
person

Speaker 14 (01:44:46):
right, right, and I never really saw, saw myself in
this role, but, but sometimesyou got to get out of your
comfort levels and when you dothat, that's actually when you
grow as a sure, as a human, ifind, i think, i hope.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
Makes sense Yeah absolutely Well.

Speaker 14 (01:45:05):
Thank you for having me, by the way, too.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Hey, no problem, any time, maybe we'll do it again,
while we might have to you knowWell, I guarantee that there's
probably lots of reasons.

Speaker 14 (01:45:15):
And and and there, as you can tell, we both have
opinions.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 14 (01:45:20):
How things are going .

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Yeah, no, and no, it's always a pleasure and I'm
really happy that you came now.

Speaker 14 (01:45:25):
Maybe, maybe actually we can get together
after this election, because itmight be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Well, yeah, depending on who wins that next, that
next bit there.

Speaker 14 (01:45:34):
Yeah, because I don't know if the NDP get it, i
might sell everything and movewell there, you're not alone.
Well, yeah, it's a scaryproposition.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
It is you bet right on right on.
Thank you Always enjoy speakingwith Lee and I'm sure we'll hear
from him again in the future.
I doubt we solved any of theworld's problems, but with any
luck, we've given you somethingto think about.
Regardless, the way forward isclear only in that we need to
hold Governments accountable bystanding up against their

(01:46:04):
policies and legislation, whichonly serves to divide us.
We must establish our unityoutside the confines of
parliament and hope it creepsinto the house through critical
mass as Politicians begin torealize that they must once
again work for and not againstus.
It won't be easy, that's forcertain.
They have all the tools attheir disposal to make it a most
arduous task.

(01:46:25):
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