A 12-year-old boy's conversation with his favorite author becomes a masterclass in creative purpose and vocational calling. When young Dawson sits down with children's writer S.D. Smith, their exchange transcends typical author interviews, revealing profound truths about how faith shapes our creative pursuits.
Smith captivates us by comparing writing to the athletic "flow state" – that magical zone where challenges stretch us without overwhelming us, creating a sanctuary where time slows and creativity thrives. He reveals how his storytelling began organically through bedtime stories with his children, establishing a foundation of hospitality and genuine love that extends to his thousands of readers today. This authenticity offers a refreshing alternative to the performance-driven approach so many creatives feel pressured to adopt.
Most powerfully, Smith articulates a distinctly Christian understanding of creative vocation. Rather than waiting for inspiration to strike, he emphasizes determination. Instead of seeking fame or self-expression, he approaches writing as service. "All vocations are about love and service," he explains, whether farming, pastoring, parenting, or storytelling. This perspective invites us to reconsider our own work – whatever it may be – as an opportunity to participate in God's ongoing creation and care for others. For any listener navigating today's self-focused culture, Smith's wisdom reminds us that true fulfillment comes through aligning our gifts with eternal purposes, living devoted to truth rather than merely pursuing personal passion.
Ready to discover how your unique calling can become an expression of faith? Listen now, then share your thoughts or questions with us.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What started as a Saturday morning coffee date
turned into a podcast where wechat about things like faith,
family finances and so much more.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
In a world that is encouraging you to live your
truth and to follow your heart.
We want to encourage you tolive devoted to the truth.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
The Bible has a lot to say about how to live a
victorious Christian life, andwe want to share practical
insight in how to apply thosetruths to your life, as we
endeavor to apply them to ourown lives as well.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
If you enjoyed this podcast, please leave us a
review and share these episodeswith your friends so that you
can help them live this devotedlife too.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hey Dawson.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Hello, Mr Smith.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Hey man, so nice to meet you.
I like your shirt.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, Mr Smith.
Hey, man, so nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I like your shirt yeah thanks the special wardrobe
for today's podcast.
I like it.
That's cool, man, you're 12?
.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Is that right?
Did you say 12?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, I'm 12.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Awesome man.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So cool to meet you.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Would you like to tell them what are some of your
hobbies actually?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Rubik's Cubes archery .
Rc cars and baseball.
That sounds like a realAmerican kid A lot.
That is very cool.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, and you throw some reading in there every once
in a while.
Right, every once in a while.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You don't want to chew much of that.
That could ruin the whole thing, right?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
yeah, that's not good crazy.
Yeah, so awesome.
So did you have a few questionsfor mr smith?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
um.
Do you like uh writing books?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I do.
I really love it.
That's that's my favorite partof the whole thing is is the
storytelling.
I really you know when you'retalking about some of your
hobbies like archery and RC carsand stuff I think about when I
was a kid, in baseball and Iplayed, like every sport, and
it's really related.
It's relatable to sports in away for me, partly because you
(01:58):
know, when you I don't know ifyou get older I was a little bit
of a anxious kid.
In some ways I would tend toworry a little bit, but when I
played sports I didn't worry.
I, I I would be reallyself-forgetful and and thinking
about what's going on in themoment, that kind of thing, and
that's what it's like to write agood story, I think, or to just
get lost in it in a real, Idon't know like.
You're there and you know anhour or two go by and I sort of
(02:20):
just in a flash and it's so muchlike play, it's like playing as
a kid, and so so I, I love it.
I love that part of it.
The, the release from sort oflike thinking about the worries
of the day or or differentanxieties, is just, is similar
to what I experienced withsports.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
That's awesome yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It's fun to go into daydreaming and thinking about
the future and stuff and aboutthe past.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of cool.
There's a, there's a principleabout flow state.
I don't know if you've everheard of this, but where, where
something is difficult, it'sdifficult enough that it brings
out, you know, makes you sort ofrise to the occasion but it's
not so difficult that itcompletely like stymies you or
stop to you.
You kind of get in this state.
You see it with athletessometimes or, and you see it in
(03:05):
probably every vocation.
But I I when, when you're inthat, that's a real fun place to
be.
You know, it's maybe like whenyou're real hot at the plate or
something.
You know you're, you're, just,you're the ball miss.
Yeah, the ball looks big or youknow what I mean, that that
sort of feeling of just like, oh, it's slowing down for me,
everything's kind of that state,that's a, that when I get in
that place with writing it, justit's really special yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, I love it.
That's a great analogy.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, how do you, how , how, how long does it take to,
like, write a book and publishit and stuff?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Wow, it's.
I think I get asked this a lot,so I kind of have an answer
it's, but the truth is, it'sbeen it's.
It's different every time, it'sreally different.
Sometimes it's a reallycompressed time and sometimes
that's because of the needs oflike when it's going to come out
and that kind of a thing of youknow dead sort of artificial
deadlines or real deadlines thatwe've imposed.
But and there's longer booksand shorter books.
(04:03):
I'd say the average is probablyit probably takes me six months
maybe to write a book and andmaybe probably more like a year
to publish.
That might be maybe a faithfulway to represent it.
Sometimes it's much quicker andsometimes it's a little longer,
but so that's probably um threeto six months probably to write
and and maybe six to 12 monthsto publish.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
And it's kind of what I was like, kind of expecting
you would say is like I likewriting and reading a lot too,
and I might write some thingslike when I get older, but I'm
kind of wanting to do what thisguy does, yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Well if you do end up writing, you know, or or or
doing sort of a so-calledcreative vocation.
If you do that, like the, the,the skills that your, your dad,
has in entrepreneurship andbusiness and understanding, it
will be such an advantage foryou, like what they, you know,
in business terms is called theycall it unfair advantage, which
is often a place of strengthfor you, really, and something
to lean into.
(04:58):
And so I mean so many authorslike myself included.
You know, when I was your age,I didn't have any idea about how
to run a business or anythinglike that, and I didn't see it
as connected to creative work.
So, and it's so much, so, verymuch is so.
So you, you, you're alreadysort of have a really good head
start just by having your dad inyour life and living in the
home you're in.
It's just, it's a big leg up inthat opportunity.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, he's taught me a lot of stuff about tools and
lots of working and stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
That's awesome dude.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
No, I appreciate you saying that because it is so
true.
I kind of use the phrase cheatmode, you know um in in a gaming
sense, not that I'm a gamer perse, but it a lot of times you,
just because of some experiencethat I have and you know some
background and uh interests, youknow it is uh kind of like
almost like a cheat mode.
That flow stayed and there'sthe whole, all of what you've
(05:51):
said so far.
I'm feeling it.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
That's great, that's awesome cool what inspires you
to write books?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
the original thing for my first book that came out
was the remember, and that wasentirely an organic, authentic
sort of relationship-based workin my with my kids.
So as I was told the stories tomy kids, uh, you know, bedtime
and on walks, just differenttimes throughout the day when
they were little, and they justkind of carried on for many,
many years and so it was really.
(06:22):
It's really rooted.
My all of my work because ofthat is really rooted in
hospitality and generosity, liketo my kids, and so it's a
pretty neat to have a, a jobwhere I don't have to, I don't
have to fake like affection orenthusiasm for my audience,
because it started with my kids.
But then since then I've, youknow, I've done book tours and
and, uh, you know, book signingsand things all across the
(06:44):
country and I've met, you know,tens of thousands of kids, you
know, sort of readers, fans, andI love, love them like with all
my heart.
So it's it, and as a christian,you know, my vocation is, is not
is more about love and servicethan you know about fame or or
um, self-expression or that kindof thing.
So I, I think about this as a,so I it's really connected.
(07:06):
So that's inspiring to me.
I you know, I think a lot ofpeople I try to.
I think writing is not so muchabout like waiting for
inspiration to strike.
I think if you do that, you'renot going to be productive.
I try to think in work terms ofdetermination instead of
inspiration or passion.
Even I have those things, butthey're not always constant.
They go up and down theinspiration and the passion.
(07:29):
But determination is pretty abig word for me and I think of,
because I think of my vocationas a writer as being very, very
Christian, because God made theworld and God calls different
people the farmer, the pastor,the mom, the plumber, the
construction worker all theseare good things, gifts from God,
(07:50):
and of course we're all fallenin every area.
But I take that calling veryseriously as an opportunity to
love and serve and all thosevocations are about love and
service.
So I feel I'm determined to domy job.
Well, I want to do a good job,but it is a real blessing that I
don't feel detached or I'm notfrustrated.
(08:12):
In that um I it's easy for meto get connected to the love
part because it's it's sogenuine I get, I mean really I
love, love, love the kids, youguys, you know that's, that's my
heart and it's so I don't haveto fake that and that's just so.
That's a real, that's a reallyfun, it's a that's a sweet sort
of component, especially likewhen days are tough or things
(08:34):
are difficult.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, yeah, what a great answer, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I appreciate you writing your books and stuff.
It's been like it's been reallyfun to read your books and like
see what's like you're thinkingabout and stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, thank you, dawson, that means the world to
me.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
man, I appreciate that so much.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Thank you for your time oh, thanks for hanging out
with me.
Those are great questions,brother yeah, you're welcome
maybe we'll get together inperson.
You guys live in michigan we dookay.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, when you come by west virginia, you know just
holler I was gonna say if youwant to come up in the pleasant
peninsula, I mean you have tolook us up are you in the the?
UP.
So we're not, but the wholestate of Michigan is a peninsula
, so yeah, so, yeah, we the UP,you got to get out both hands.
Yeah, I don't know if you areaware of that.
(09:24):
So I actually went to school, Iwent to college up in the
Keweenaw Peninsula of Michigan,tech, and but yeah, we, we live
kind of by the Saginaw Bay.
So, anytime you run up 75,you'll be pretty close to us.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Well, I set you up for that.
I guess I didn't mean to, butI'll be in Michigan twice in the
next little bit.
I'll be Michigan in March, Ithink, or I'm sorry.
May 13th I'm going to thehomeschool conference in in um
Lansing.
Oh, okay, week or two, and thenI'm going to go to a Realm
Makers which is in Grand Rapids.
So I'm actually going to.
(10:00):
I've never done an event inMichigan before, but I'm excited
yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yep, yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah, um, we uh.
Yeah, I think Is that the onethat you spoke at last year.
So we're unfortunately notgoing to be at that one this
year, or else we wouldabsolutely.
You're dodging me, you'redodging me I know right, yeah,
but all you have to do is youhave to go an hour northeast of
Lansing and we'll hook up andhave dinner, whatever you want
(10:27):
there we go All right, cool.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Are you guys a state or Wolverine fans?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Wolverine.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Wolverine, good answer.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Go blue.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Okay, I like that, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Awesome.
Was there anything else, bud,that you wanted to ask him?
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Thank you for your time.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Hey, thank you, dawson, that was cool.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Thank you.
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What started as a Saturday morning coffee date
turned into a podcast where wechat about things like faith,
family finances and so much more.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
In a world that is encouraging you to live your
truth and to follow your heart.
We want to encourage you tolive devoted to the truth.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
The Bible has a lot to say about how to live a
victorious Christian life, andwe want to share practical
insight in how to apply thosetruths to your life, as we
endeavor to apply them to ourown lives as well.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
If you enjoyed this podcast, please leave us a
review and share these episodeswith your friends so that you
can help them live this devotedlife too.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hey Dawson.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Hello, Mr Smith.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Hey man, so nice to meet you.
I like your shirt.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, Mr Smith.
Hey, man, so nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I like your shirt yeah thanks the special wardrobe
for today's podcast.
I like it.
That's cool, man, you're 12?
.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Is that right?
Did you say 12?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, I'm 12.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Awesome man.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So cool to meet you.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Would you like to tell them what are some of your
hobbies actually?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Rubik's Cubes archery .
Rc cars and baseball.
That sounds like a realAmerican kid A lot.
That is very cool.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, and you throw some reading in there every once
in a while.
Right, every once in a while.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You don't want to chew much of that.
That could ruin the whole thing, right?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
yeah, that's not good crazy.
Yeah, so awesome.
So did you have a few questionsfor mr smith?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
um.
Do you like uh writing books?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I do.
I really love it.
That's that's my favorite partof the whole thing is is the
storytelling.
I really you know when you'retalking about some of your
hobbies like archery and RC carsand stuff I think about when I
was a kid, in baseball and Iplayed, like every sport, and
it's really related.
It's relatable to sports in away for me, partly because you
(01:58):
know, when you I don't know ifyou get older I was a little bit
of a anxious kid.
In some ways I would tend toworry a little bit, but when I
played sports I didn't worry.
I, I I would be reallyself-forgetful and and thinking
about what's going on in themoment, that kind of thing, and
that's what it's like to write agood story, I think, or to just
get lost in it in a real, Idon't know like.
You're there and you know anhour or two go by and I sort of
(02:20):
just in a flash and it's so muchlike play, it's like playing as
a kid, and so so I, I love it.
I love that part of it.
The, the release from sort oflike thinking about the worries
of the day or or differentanxieties, is just, is similar
to what I experienced withsports.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
That's awesome yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It's fun to go into daydreaming and thinking about
the future and stuff and aboutthe past.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of cool.
There's a, there's a principleabout flow state.
I don't know if you've everheard of this, but where, where
something is difficult, it'sdifficult enough that it brings
out, you know, makes you sort ofrise to the occasion but it's
not so difficult that itcompletely like stymies you or
stop to you.
You kind of get in this state.
You see it with athletessometimes or, and you see it in
(03:05):
probably every vocation.
But I I when, when you're inthat, that's a real fun place to
be.
You know, it's maybe like whenyou're real hot at the plate or
something.
You know you're, you're, just,you're the ball miss.
Yeah, the ball looks big or youknow what I mean, that that
sort of feeling of just like, oh, it's slowing down for me,
everything's kind of that state,that's a, that when I get in
that place with writing it, justit's really special yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, I love it.
That's a great analogy.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, how do you, how , how, how long does it take to,
like, write a book and publishit and stuff?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Wow, it's.
I think I get asked this a lot,so I kind of have an answer
it's, but the truth is, it'sbeen it's.
It's different every time, it'sreally different.
Sometimes it's a reallycompressed time and sometimes
that's because of the needs oflike when it's going to come out
and that kind of a thing of youknow dead sort of artificial
deadlines or real deadlines thatwe've imposed.
But and there's longer booksand shorter books.
(04:03):
I'd say the average is probablyit probably takes me six months
maybe to write a book and andmaybe probably more like a year
to publish.
That might be maybe a faithfulway to represent it.
Sometimes it's much quicker andsometimes it's a little longer,
but so that's probably um threeto six months probably to write
and and maybe six to 12 monthsto publish.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
And it's kind of what I was like, kind of expecting
you would say is like I likewriting and reading a lot too,
and I might write some thingslike when I get older, but I'm
kind of wanting to do what thisguy does, yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Well if you do end up writing, you know, or or or
doing sort of a so-calledcreative vocation.
If you do that, like the, the,the skills that your, your dad,
has in entrepreneurship andbusiness and understanding, it
will be such an advantage foryou, like what they, you know,
in business terms is called theycall it unfair advantage, which
is often a place of strengthfor you, really, and something
to lean into.
(04:58):
And so I mean so many authorslike myself included.
You know, when I was your age,I didn't have any idea about how
to run a business or anythinglike that, and I didn't see it
as connected to creative work.
So, and it's so much, so, verymuch is so.
So you, you, you're alreadysort of have a really good head
start just by having your dad inyour life and living in the
home you're in.
It's just, it's a big leg up inthat opportunity.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, he's taught me a lot of stuff about tools and
lots of working and stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
That's awesome dude.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
No, I appreciate you saying that because it is so
true.
I kind of use the phrase cheatmode, you know um in in a gaming
sense, not that I'm a gamer perse, but it a lot of times you,
just because of some experiencethat I have and you know some
background and uh interests, youknow it is uh kind of like
almost like a cheat mode.
That flow stayed and there'sthe whole, all of what you've
(05:51):
said so far.
I'm feeling it.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
That's great, that's awesome cool what inspires you
to write books?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
the original thing for my first book that came out
was the remember, and that wasentirely an organic, authentic
sort of relationship-based workin my with my kids.
So as I was told the stories tomy kids, uh, you know, bedtime
and on walks, just differenttimes throughout the day when
they were little, and they justkind of carried on for many,
many years and so it was really.
(06:22):
It's really rooted.
My all of my work because ofthat is really rooted in
hospitality and generosity, liketo my kids, and so it's a
pretty neat to have a, a jobwhere I don't have to, I don't
have to fake like affection orenthusiasm for my audience,
because it started with my kids.
But then since then I've, youknow, I've done book tours and
and, uh, you know, book signingsand things all across the
(06:44):
country and I've met, you know,tens of thousands of kids, you
know, sort of readers, fans, andI love, love them like with all
my heart.
So it's it, and as a christian,you know, my vocation is, is not
is more about love and servicethan you know about fame or or
um, self-expression or that kindof thing.
So I, I think about this as a,so I it's really connected.
(07:06):
So that's inspiring to me.
I you know, I think a lot ofpeople I try to.
I think writing is not so muchabout like waiting for
inspiration to strike.
I think if you do that, you'renot going to be productive.
I try to think in work terms ofdetermination instead of
inspiration or passion.
Even I have those things, butthey're not always constant.
They go up and down theinspiration and the passion.
(07:29):
But determination is pretty abig word for me and I think of,
because I think of my vocationas a writer as being very, very
Christian, because God made theworld and God calls different
people the farmer, the pastor,the mom, the plumber, the
construction worker all theseare good things, gifts from God,
(07:50):
and of course we're all fallenin every area.
But I take that calling veryseriously as an opportunity to
love and serve and all thosevocations are about love and
service.
So I feel I'm determined to domy job.
Well, I want to do a good job,but it is a real blessing that I
don't feel detached or I'm notfrustrated.
(08:12):
In that um I it's easy for meto get connected to the love
part because it's it's sogenuine I get, I mean really I
love, love, love the kids, youguys, you know that's, that's my
heart and it's so I don't haveto fake that and that's just so.
That's a real, that's a reallyfun, it's a that's a sweet sort
of component, especially likewhen days are tough or things
(08:34):
are difficult.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, yeah, what a great answer, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I appreciate you writing your books and stuff.
It's been like it's been reallyfun to read your books and like
see what's like you're thinkingabout and stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, thank you, dawson, that means the world to
me.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
man, I appreciate that so much.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Thank you for your time oh, thanks for hanging out
with me.
Those are great questions,brother yeah, you're welcome
maybe we'll get together inperson.
You guys live in michigan we dookay.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, when you come by west virginia, you know just
holler I was gonna say if youwant to come up in the pleasant
peninsula, I mean you have tolook us up are you in the the?
UP.
So we're not, but the wholestate of Michigan is a peninsula
, so yeah, so, yeah, we the UP,you got to get out both hands.
Yeah, I don't know if you areaware of that.
(09:24):
So I actually went to school, Iwent to college up in the
Keweenaw Peninsula of Michigan,tech, and but yeah, we, we live
kind of by the Saginaw Bay.
So, anytime you run up 75,you'll be pretty close to us.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Well, I set you up for that.
I guess I didn't mean to, butI'll be in Michigan twice in the
next little bit.
I'll be Michigan in March, Ithink, or I'm sorry.
May 13th I'm going to thehomeschool conference in in um
Lansing.
Oh, okay, week or two, and thenI'm going to go to a Realm
Makers which is in Grand Rapids.
So I'm actually going to.
(10:00):
I've never done an event inMichigan before, but I'm excited
yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yep, yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah, um, we uh.
Yeah, I think Is that the onethat you spoke at last year.
So we're unfortunately notgoing to be at that one this
year, or else we wouldabsolutely.
You're dodging me, you'redodging me I know right, yeah,
but all you have to do is youhave to go an hour northeast of
Lansing and we'll hook up andhave dinner, whatever you want
(10:27):
there we go All right, cool.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Are you guys a state or Wolverine fans?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Wolverine.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Wolverine, good answer.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Go blue.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Okay, I like that, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Awesome.
Was there anything else, bud,that you wanted to ask him?
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Thank you for your time.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Hey, thank you, dawson, that was cool.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
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