Episode 72 🎪: Parenting, True Crime and Choas: Track Meet Murder, Dire Wolves, AITA, Jamie Fraley Case

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Welcome to, this is my circus,the podcast where we embrace the
chaos and keep it real aboutparenting, pop culture, true
crime, and the books we can'tput down because let's be
honest, life is one big circusand we're just trying to survive
with caffeine, sarcasm, and alittle true crime obsession.
So if you love unfilteredconversation, questionable
parenting hacks, and deep divesinto the things that keep us up

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at night, you're in the rightplace.
Buckle up, grab your popcorn,and let's get into the chaos.
I'm Stephanie.
I'm Meredith.
And welcome to you.
This is my circus.
Hey Steph.
Hi.
It's a long time.
No talk.
Yeah, it's good to see you.
You too.
I told you you're glowing.
Thank you.
It's all the new skincare stuffthat I order.
I like it off of TikTok shop.
Have you seen where they'll giveyou a video and they're like,

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this is the order you'resupposed to do it in?
I try to do'em in the rightorder.
I never look at instructions,but I never do'em the same way
twice.
I'm always just like, blah,blah, blah.
Yeah.
I didn't know that you weresupposed to wet your face with
the hyaluronic acid.
And so for a couple, like forlike a week or two, like I
didn't do that.
And then I saw somebody onTikTok.
You are?
Yeah.
You're supposed to put it on awet face and then it absorbs

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with the water or else it'llpull all the moisture out of
your skin.
Didn't know this either.
Yeah.
I was like, these are importantthings you're supposed to tell
us they are important things orhow about, um, okay.
I don't know.
When you wear makeup, if you uselike a blender brush.
I know, I, I lost you at like,when I wear makeup.
Yeah.
Because we don't wear makeupmuch, but the um, or the sponge,

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not the brush.
You're supposed to wet those.
I didn't know that either untillike a couple months ago.
Yeah.
But yeah, I know all these, I amnot like a makeup person.
Me neither.
Me neither.
We're natural beauties.
I a hundred percent.
A hundred percent not a stitchon today.
Other than moisturizer andsunblock.
I just have mascara on.

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I'm telling you, you're glowing.
I'm gonna get some of thatstuff.
Already looked it up and addedto carts.
Yes.
Wait, you get a coupon?
It's even better.
Yeah.
Well it says something about afree gift and you know that I'm
a sucker for that too.
Mm.
So we'll see what, they probablygimme something stupid, but it's
gonna be like a scrunchie.
Why is a scrunchie always thefree gift?
'cause it's like 20 cents, Iguess.

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I guess it's always a scrunchieor sometimes like a claw clip.
Yeah.
And I'm not a big fan of those.
No.
Um, my hair's too thin for that.
Yeah.
They just, you know, they wear'em different now.
They like twist the upside downand, yeah.
Yeah.
You know.
Do you remember banana clips?
Yes.
Oh my God.
I want the banana clip.
I thought I had like a main fullof hair with a banana clip.

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You were like a lion.
I felt like one, I felt like Ihad like a.
It was like, like my littlepony.
Pretty much.
Pretty much, pretty much Bananaclips.
Oh, those.
Do you ever go back through likeold photos?
Oh yeah.
See the horribleness of what wewore and just the fact that we
thought we were amazing at thatpoint.

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I.
Yes.
Yeah.
Well, so my sister's six yearsolder than me.
Mm-hmm.
And obviously everything thatshe did mm-hmm.
Be six years younger.
Mm-hmm.
When I was in like, you know,second, third grade, I want
like, she was like so cool.
Right.
And so that was a time of likethe really big nineties hair.
Mm.
it was like, oh yeah.
Like white snake.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so, um, it's like my, forthe little kids that are

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listening, white Snake was ahairband.
A hairband was just like a rockband.
Okay.
So we, my second or third gradeschool picture, my hair is like
huge.
Teased all my gosh.
That's great.
That is great.
I used to always try to do theshell looking things on the
sides, and that's what we called'em.

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Shells or wings, or I thinkShells.
Yeah.
It's like the Farrah Faucetlook.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Charlie's Angels.
Mm-hmm.
I had a couple of other oldercousins that were my older
family that I thought were socool and one had a trans Am and
I was like, oh.
And we didn't see'em a lot.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but there was a little bitmore than six year age
difference.

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But when I saw'em and they werejust the coolest of the cool.
Mm-hmm.
And here I am with my littledirty self, like with my banana
clip, but my banana clip, likethey would un pop.
Yes.
Yeah.
Like if you finally get the topclip, like the, uh, the bottom
would man.
Yeah.

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Well I saw like they werestarting to make a little bit of
a comeback Oh, really?
On TikTok.
Okay.
It was some of the youngermm-hmm.
Younger kids.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and I was like, no, somethings just shouldn't come back.
Right.
It shouldn't.
It was cool at the time, butthose things should not come
back, man.
They were from our mistakes.
Yes, yes.
Oh my gosh.
The banana clips, they weregreat.

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No, they were, well, they were,were cool at the time.
Yeah.
But I just don't, no ever wantto wear one again.
Agreed.
Oh.
And it was like, oh, rememberthose headbands, like the
squiggly?
Oh yeah.
Hurt.
They did hurt.
And, and I wore'em all the timeand they hurt.
They did.
How about when you do your hairwith like the little clips and

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like 20 little clips around?
I had butterflies and so, okay.
Yeah.
In high school I was probablylike ninth, 10th grade.
Um, I went to Florida to visitmy grandparents and a store
there had these, the the ECclips that you put in like all
over.
Yep.
But they were butterflies andthey had like moving wings and
so, you know, like I had a wholeOh, oh yeah.

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Babbling around up there.
I would do that.
And I, at the time that that waspopular, I was working, um, but
I was working at the front deskof a doctor's office mm-hmm.
Like taking insurance cards anddoing all that kind of stuff.
And I bet people walked in like,what is this girl doing with all
these light pink andbutterflies?
Yeah.
In her head.
Mm-hmm.

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I was the same way.
Same way.
Yeah.
Should stay extinct.
Mm-hmm.
Like the dire wolf.
They're bringing that backthough.
The who?
Oh my gosh.
You haven't heard this?
No, I know.
Something you don't know.
Uhhuh Very rare does thishappen.
So the, scientists have broughtback something called the dire
wolf.
So is this like in Jurassic Parkwhen they brought back the

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dinosaur?
Yes, absolutely.
It is something that wasextinct.
It looks like a little huskypuppy.
I know.
Adores.
but they've used DNA to bring itback and they're trying to bring
our, I just took a DNA taste.
They said they also want tobring back wooly mammoths.
And I'm like, okay, that servesno point.

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Where are we gonna put'em?
We already got elephants.
We're good.
Um, side note, did you see thatvideo I posted today on
Facebook?
I had a chance to look.
Tell me about that.
Okay, so it's this dude in, Idon't know what country he's in,
but he is got a, a cool accentand he is in the woods, like at
a pond, I'm assuming fishing orsomething.
Okay.
Out of the woods comes randomlya seal pup.

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Right Uhhuh and he's likewobbling over and the dude's
like, stay back, stay backthere, stay.
Don't come any closer.
And I'm like, no, I would.
Right.
Like snow goes, says Mama.
Exactly.
100%.
And I was like, he is sayingstay back.
And I'm saying, come here.
I would, I would be cuddlingwith it.
It would have a name and I'd beGoogling how to take care of a
deal.
Pump at home.

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Exactly.
Exactly.
Oh my gosh.
So did it come closer to him?
It did.
And he's like, I'll wait heretill your mom gets back.
And I was like, I'm his mom.
Right?
I am.
I now identify as his mom.
Yes.
Okay.
So you have to see thesepuppies.
It's gonna be like a giant, oh,it's like, oh, maybe they're

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gonna do Twilight movie.
What was that?
Breaking?
Yeah, whatever.
With Jacob.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Those are big though.
Yeah, that was pretty big.
but there've been a couple offunny things.
Time out.
You're gonna have a heck of atime editing this'cause we are
really all over the place.
Yeah.
This is how we do when wehaven't seen each other.
people are saying, number one,I.

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I give it a week before peopleare trying to sell, like they're
called dire wolf, dire doodlepuppies and stuff like that.
They're cute though, aren'tthey?
Little snowballs.
Oh my gosh, that is adorable.
I know.
I am like such a sucker for ahundred percent.

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All of them.
All of them.
I know.
I know.
So somebody local to us.
I'm Facebook friends with her.
Don't really know her in person,but she rescued some possum
babies.
I don't know what happened tothe mom, but she.
I know I draw the line.
I I I know.
But if there's eight littlehelpless babies Yes, I know,
right.
But they are, they're hideousgiant rats.

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They are.
And they, they like hiss, butshe was like, y'all, I've been
up every two hours.
What am I supposed?
It's finally like a, I guess herrescue came and took them,
they're not cute.
It's not like a raccoon withtheir little fingers.
I also obsessed, we've talkedabout this before, otters, and
I've seen a lot of, I see a lotof videos right now.

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I guess it's Uhhuh and themama's floating with the babies
on their chest.
Okay.
Okay.
That makes our brains feel good.
Yes.
It gave me my dopamine hit.
Yeah.
I'm needed the hit of somethinga little stronger.
so last week I was outta town.
Yeah.
And, was at the beach and thecraziest thing, I've gotta show

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you the picture.
Okay.
And I'll post it in our groupOkay.
Or wherever.
But I sent it to Dylan and I'mlike, these crabs have got some
explaining to do because therewas this random, huge blue.
Claw, like crab claw.
Mm-hmm.
And there was three or fourhermit crabs, surrounding it.
Like it wasn't attached to acrab, it was just the claw.

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So where did the claw come from?
And then all the hermit crabswere like, so then, right.
And I was taking a picture ofit, and then I wish I had, my
video was going because onehermit crab jumped on the other
hermit crabb shell.
And they, and they took offrunning.
And That's crazy.
I was like, how did I not getthat?

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I know.
I was so like, is thishappening?
So they sacrificed the blue guy.
I, I don't, it was cr and thiscrap had to be, I mean,
obviously way bigger than thelittle hermit crabs.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh my goodness.
But that's huge compared tothem.

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Is that not wild?
At Beach?
That is crazy.
On the beach.
It was like on a path.
Yeah.
In like the little wooded area.
Beach.
That's kind of crazy.
Beach.
Like what were they weren'ttrying to drag it anywhere.
They were just, there were likeworshiping it.
There's one, there's a littleone there, Uhhuh, and then the
bigger one's on the other side,it's like in the middle of their
worship circle, so maybe they'relittle witchy crabs.

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Weird.
It was just like, that is weird.
It was, and it was just in themiddle of the pathway.
Right.
It was so crazy.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I let Jackson stay home fromschool Monday'cause he just had
an exhausting weekend withdifferent, they didn't get home
from a track meet Friday till2:00 AM 2:00 AM is what time I

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picked him up at the school.
so he came downstairs on Mondayand he was like, mama, it is
raining bad.
And I was like, is it like, Iwas, I didn't even hear speaking
of track meets.
Yes.
that awful incident in Texas.
My goodness.
That is terrible, terrible,terrible.
No matter what the truth is inthat situation, it's terrible.

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Both families lives foreverchanged.
Yes.
I couldn't imagine being oneither side of that.
No.
I believe we've talked aboutthis before.
I will stand by my kid a hundredpercent.
Mm-hmm.
But I also know when he messesup.
Mm-hmm.
And I would still support himand still love him, and there's
nothing he could do in theentire world.
I would ever change that.

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I believe, these are myopinions.
Right.
I don't care what color skin youhave.
Right.
I don't believe at schoolfunctions, there is a place for
any kind of weapon.
Right.
So that's scary.
Mm-hmm.
It, it was very scary to hear ofthat and that whole situation.
And have you ever been to atrack meet?
Yes, I was on track When you Youdid?

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Mm-hmm.
What, what event did you do?
Um, I did shop at and then Ilook at You did?
Yes.
And I trained with crosscountry, but I didn't do cross
country.
Okay.
Then you know how they're outtacontrol.
Yeah.
There are so many kids from, andJackson and I track me last
night and I think it was four orfive schools.
Well, each school might havethree coaches.

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Mm-hmm.
And you've got 60 kids perschool and you're so outnumbered
and everything is spread out sofar.
It's not like football whereeverybody's right there, you
know, contained.
'cause you've got differentevents everywhere there.
I've always said they're likefree range chickens.
No control.
Right.
And that's always been scary Ireally liked when Jackson, when

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tracks started doing Jack, whenJackson started doing track,
when he was in the seventhgrade, because it's a very
independent sport, his, events.
And it also made him accountablefor paying attention to, oh,
they're calling my event,they're doing this.
So I really liked that aspect ofit.
Mm-hmm.
He's had great role models inthe older ages.
Because of how he's been raisedin other sports, he's done, he

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knows how to conduct himself inan environment like that.
I also think though that Jacksonand Dylan both are more chill.
Yes.
And mild mannered than a lot ofYes.
Their friends, I mean, I loveall their friends Absolutely.
But, they're more, they don'tget riled up easy.
Right.
And they're more reserved, Ifeel like.
Mm-hmm.
don't get me wrong, my kid cango wild as well at points, but
he is, I feel like much moreReserved.

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Not he, he is, and no, I get it.
He doesn't, he's not justbouncing all the walls all the
time.
Mm-hmm.
And in an event like that, he'sjust gonna see how it's going
and play it by ear.
One thing about Jackson thattrips me out though, and I mean,
let's be honest, I'm a talker.
He gets it from me, but he'll,he talks to people.
Mm-hmm.
Like, you know, not at first,not, he's not going up there

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like, Hey buddy.
Yeah.
You know, whatever.
But like as they're standingaround, I see him like talking
to some of'em and joking andlaughing and Yeah.
Trading snaps or whatever theydo.
But they both do carrythemselves in a way that
they're, more, I feel like moremaybe mature is not, maybe,
maybe mature.
I don't know what the right wordis, yeah.
And maybe it's their onlychildren probably and of f brown

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adults more I guess.
Yeah.
All four of us were wild, butthere was four of us and we were
always either playing orfighting.
Yeah.
and there was always, I justmentally pictured like a, a ball
of kids like feral hustling allthe time.
We were feral, my poor mother.
but, and there was four of us.
There was always two against,two uhhuh.

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So you always had eithersomebody telling you that you
were Right.
Uhhuh in the argument.
That's why I said I'm alwaysreally good at arguing.
'cause I always had eithersomebody telling me I was right
or I had a good sparringpartner.
Mm-hmm.
So I can argue.
Yeah.
Should have been a lawyer.
That is, that's great training.
I say I should not have to everbe a lawyer.
No, I'm too judgy.
You can be very selective withyour clients.

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but circling back to the, to thetrack meet thing.
Yeah.
Oh gosh.
Sorry, swirl.
No, this is what happens when wedon't see each other.
This is why we need to, it very,very tragic.
Yes.
Lives are changed no matter whatthe exact circumstances are.
Bullies, not bullies, you know,instigator, not, I don't care.
Kids died and their lives arechanged.

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the police report was released.
Oh, was it?
The full police report?
so I just took a couple of thenotes.
Mm-hmm.
again, two lives destroyed.
Right both families destroyed.
Mm-hmm.
regardless what side you are.
Right.
Leaning towards Right.
of right, wrong, or whatever.
Right.
I don't have a side.
I feel horrible for everybodyinvolved.
I feel horrible.

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Right.
That same.
A life was lost.
I feel horrible that a 17 yearold's future is destroying.
And I feel, I mean, all thepeople there that were impacted
by this, I mean the, the kidsthat were there that saw this
happen, that witnessed this, thetrauma from that, the parents,
that their kid, I mean, thewhole, the whole effect of it, I
just, it's traumatic.
I couldn't even imagine.

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Even just being a witness to itRight.
Would destroy me.
Right.
so what did the police report?
A resource officer, I guessheard on the radio or somebody
called him or something.
Okay.
went to the area and a manpointed out Carmelo Anthony, who
is a suspect.
Mm-hmm.
He walked over to Carmelo, toldhim to put his hands in the air,
and without any questioning,Carmelo stated I was protecting

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myself.
And a few minutes later he said,quote, he put his hands on me.
The officer pats down Carmeloand does not find any weapons,
and then said, over the radio, Ihave the alleged suspect.
Carmelo said without anyquestioning, nothing.
Mm-hmm.
He just said it, I'm not thealleged suspect.
I did it.
Okay.
I'm like, yeah, zip it.

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Yeah.
Like as a, as a parent,absolutely.
I'm like, oh, right.
I'm sure nobody, I.
Goes into it thinking thatthat's gonna happen whether you
have a weapon or not, likemm-hmm.
No, I don't think anybody'sprepared for the after effects.
Mm-hmm.
So I'm sure he was in shock.
I'm sure he was freaking out.
Yeah.
So whatever.

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another officer arrived and theytake Carmel to the squad car.
The officer said Carmelo saidagain.
He put his hands on me.
I told him not to.
Then it was reported that heasked the officers if what
happened could be consideredself-defense and the officer
says, we don't know whathappened.
Like, they just left it at that.
See, and let me stop you.
I have a hard time, not thatI've really looked for any, but

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usually you hear a footage beingreleased.
Mm-hmm.
The way kids have their phonesout.
Why is there no video of.
Of this, anything related tothis?
Now I do know what track means,their quote.
Not supposed to have theirphones out, but come on now.
They do.
Yeah.
So I'm just shocked that wehaven't seen anything of before,
after, during nothing.

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Yeah, I agree.
once in the back of the car heasked the officer if Austin
would be okay.
Witness statements from peoplethat were under the tent.
some of the kids that went tothat school.
Mm-hmm.
Said they were under the tentwith everybody involved in this
incident?
Mm-hmm.
Austin told Carmela to get outof the tent and then Carmelo
reached into his bag and said,touch me and see what happens.

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Austin then goes and toucheshim, they had words.
Carmelo then said, a few minuteslater, punched me and see what
happens.
Austin grabbed Carmelo to movehim and that's when Carmelo
reached in his bag, pulled outthe weapon, and stabbed Austin
in the heart.
Then he ran away.
A second witness statement wasextremely similar.
Austin told Carmelo to get outfrom under the tent because he

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doesn't go to that school andwas not supposed to be under
that tent, and some back andforth yapping.
Austin pushes Carmelo to get himout, and Carmelo reaches in his
bag, grabs the weapon, andunlive him.
Mm-hmm.
my thing is, okay, so they go todifferent schools, right?
And we both have athlete mm-hmm.
Children.
Mm-hmm.
and we know, I don't know ifthey're rival schools or not,
right.
But everybody played football.

(18:58):
Mm-hmm.
I believe, I don't know ifeverybody was on the track team
or not.
Mm-hmm.
Or if they were just theresupporting their schools.
I'm not.
Right.
Whatever.
I didn't look that right.
I didn't either.
But if they're rival schools or,and if they both play football,
I'm sure they played each other.
Mm-hmm.
So, you know, that, that some ofthat tension history, I'm trying
to make sense of like what isgoing, like how the, how it
could lead to this.

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Right.
so my 2 cents, I didn't mean tocut you.
No, no, no.
You're good.
My 2 cents are, you know, I justsaid track meats.
They're, they're, they're wild.
They're crazy.
Free range chickens.
There's not really a lot of usand them in a track meet.
Mm-hmm.
Now, Jackson doesn't sit quoteunder the tents like some kids
do because his events areelsewhere and he doesn't really
have a lot of sit down time.
'cause he's alwaysparticipating.

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Just the way that his, you know,his go, he's not waiting for the
next thing.
there is a lot of.
Everybody talking to everybody.
And especially, so Jackson's athrower.
Most of the kids that throw areall football players, big
linemen that like his positionare similar.
Mm-hmm.
And so they know each other.
They're kinda, like I just said,they, they talk, they hang out.

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so I could see him walking withone of them to their tent for
whatever reason while they getmoney to go to the concession
stand, whatever.
And sitting there like, I could,it's not like a us or them
thing.
Unless this is different justin, I'm just going off of my
experience and I'm not sayinganybody's wrong or right with
where they sat.
I don't know the backstory.
Right.
But I don't see a problem withhim sitting there.

(20:25):
Mm-hmm.
Unless there was that historythat you're talking about that
they could have.
Yeah.
There's tons of differentstories out there right now, and
they all conflict with eachother, so.
Right.
everything from the, the twinswere bullies to Carmelo wasn't
even supposed to be at thattrack meet.
He's not on the track team.
There's a story that he wassuspended and he wasn't supposed
to be there for that.

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It is, whatever.
Right.
Whatever the reasons are.
It's just such a tragedy.
Everybody's lives are ruined.
Mm-hmm.
I'm with you though.
You have a weapon for a reason.
Mm-hmm.
On a school grounds mm-hmm.
Event.
And, you know, one of thequestions was how did he get it
in there?
I heard people say that, well,we go through metal detectors as
spectators, but a lot of timesthe kids, the athletes that are

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coming in, they don't, theycome, how hard is it to throw a
freaking backpack over a fence?
I'm sorry.
Exactly.
Like I saw people doing it atheroin winds.
All the, all the time.
Time.
Yep.
They were sneaking in alcohol orwhatever all the time.
Yeah.
So I don't question it like Ithere when there's a will,
there's a way, well, you knowthough, but people that are, I.
Just so one dimensional, orlike, how did he get that in

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there?
Yeah.
Not everybody goes in the sameway.
You know, just like you said, wehave athlete sons, they come in
the back entrance with the wholeteam, and they carry their bags
and their cleats and theirwhatevers.
Like they're, they're throwing'em over the fences.
There's ways that they're gonnado it.
So I just that never evencrossed my mind to question.
I mean, questioned why it wasthere in the first place.
Yeah.
But I never even thought like,how did he get it in, Right.

(21:51):
Again, I don't have a side.
I feel bad for everybody.
I don't a hundred percentbelieve.
Even if there was pushing or,something, I don't believe the
escalation to a knife to theheart mm-hmm.
Is ever the answer.
You know, that's something elsethat Brian and I talked about is
that why did it go thereimmediately?
And a couple of the articlesthat I read were talking about

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how, teenagers don't have theability to problem solve without
demonstrates of regulations.
Yeah, yeah.
straight to some sort ofviolence or what, you know, like
why wasn't there just a fistfight?
I don't see like our boys evereven considering going to that
level.
Right.
I mean, Dylan, I'm sure wouldthrow down Yeah.

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But I don't see it.
Like, I can't see that that'swhere his, his train of thought
would go.
Right, it's, very, very sad.
Yeah.
Very complicated.
Mm-hmm.
traumatic.
Prayers for the families and thepeople, everybody involved,
friends, family, witnesses, allof that.
so on a lighter, kind of lighternote sort of, have you heard

(23:01):
about the TV show on ParamountPlus, called Happy Face?
Happy Face Killer.
It's about the Happy FaceKiller, but it's a true story
based on his daughter.
No, that sounds so good becauseI, okay.
I was looking for something newto watch.
Yeah.
And I just glanced, I saw Happyface and I assumed it was about
him, but it's a differentperspective, right?

(23:23):
It's about the daughter.
'cause she found out when shewas a teenager, like when he got
arrested.
Okay.
Then her thinking back likelike, how did I miss this?
But she didn't miss things thathe kind of like shoot off and
she just let it go'cause it'sher dad.
Right.
and now trying to make, What shecan make.
Right.
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Did you watch it?
I've, there's only five episodesso far.

(23:44):
I think like Okay.
Four or five episodes.
It just got released.
Yeah.
I just saw, I was literallyscrolling last night looking for
something to watch.
It's really good.
Okay.
I like it.
I'll have to jump into that one.
Yeah.
So good.
Yeah.
I'm always looking for somethinggood to watch.
We watched a movie, oh, I pickthe worst movies, I pick the
worst movies.
I can't, I think it was calledRed Right Hand.

(24:07):
It started out okay.
And then at the end, like aspoiler, everybody dies, you
think Then this dude that's beenshot in the chest like six times
at the end of the movie drivinga Jeep or something.
I'm like, like it 50 cent?
No, it actually had Orlando Bluein it.
Oh, really?
And.

(24:28):
In my mind, he still looks likea pirate.
Yes, he is a very seasonedpirate.
No, he has a weathered face now.
God says the woman who's buyingeverything I can for my skin
right now.
I'm trying to reverse that.
Oh, a hundred percent.
I think he's kinda leaning intoit a little bit.
Yeah, yeah.

(24:48):
Well maybe this for the rolemaybe.
'cause he was like a mountainman.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Don't watch it.
I was never an Orlando balloonfan.
Like, I mean, I know, I was notlike obsessed with him, like,
no, no.
there was one scene in thePirates movie and it was towards
the end of one of'em with theheart thing.
And I remember it being like,oh, he's handsome.

(25:09):
But like, then that, thatthought went and it was never
really my type.
Mm-hmm.
I'm a clean cut type kind ofgirl.
I can go either way.
Mm-hmm.
Like.
Like a rough mm-hmm.
Like, I don't wanna say likethug, but you can go thug is
the, is you go thug street.

(25:29):
I, I, yeah.
I would be like, I was neverattracted to before I was
married and even still, but Inever was into like, dudes with
really long hair or anythinglike that.
Like, I, no, and like, grunge,like that's not Yeah, no, me
goth was not right.
But like, I could have gone fromanywhere from a hot nerd to an
athlete to a thug.

(25:51):
Yeah.
A a street dude.
Okay.
I mean it's, but really like, Imean like I attracted wise, but
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, but you're right.
Long hair goth.
other than like, son of anarchy,Jax, take this off.
Don't put this on there.
Jacks.
He's so beautiful.
Is he in that happy face?

(26:12):
Mm-hmm.
So he is in another one onNetflix about him though, right?
I, I believe so, yes.
I think he plays him.
Mm-hmm.
Charlie Ham is his name.
Yeah.
Please refer to me from here onout as Miss Meredith Ham.
My freaking God, that is not whyI named Jackson.
Jackson.
So Brian and I have beenwatching that.
Mm-hmm.
And, um, we're in, I think theend of middle of season five and

(26:37):
there's only seven.
Mm-hmm.
And it, it gets really heavy.
Yeah.
I can't get him back into it.
I'm like, are you gonna finishit?
He was like, huh.
And he knows, like, he's the onewho wants all the spoilers.
He's like, did they die?
What happens?
Mm-hmm.
And I'm like, yeah, they alldie.
it was such a good mm-hmm.
Series, but it was very heavy.
Very heavy.
And some of the stuff may belike queasy, uhhuh.

(26:59):
Very good show though.
Very good series.
Yeah.
I need to get him to finish it.
I don't like having itunfinished.
Yeah.
Well, you, you've watched itbefore though, right?
Two or three times already.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'll finish it by myselfagain.
Woo.
Sure you will.
Well did you have anything else?

(27:20):
No.
You wanna do, am I the A-hole?
Sure.
We got a new one.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Am I the AOL for telling myneighbor?
I dated her husband?
So let's start at the beginning.
March 20, 25.
Mm-hmm.
Very recent.
Yes.
Okay.
Let me, let's dig in.
I 33 female became friendly withmy neighbor, 37 female.
Let's call her Emily.

(27:40):
After I helped her move a fewboxes into our building, while
her husband, 35 male, was in thehospital, she's a cougar.
I didn't meet Emily's husbanduntil a few weeks later when she
invited me over to dinner asthanks.
When I arrived at fir, when Iarrived first, Emily's husband
had run out to pick.

(28:00):
Some wine, but when he cameback, I was shocked to see Matt,
a guy I had gone on three dateswith a year ago before he
suddenly ghosted me.
He had a terrible poker face andtried to pretend like he didn't
recognize me.
I don't play those games.
I asked how long they'd beenmarried, and Emily said three
years.
She recognized there was tensionand asked if we knew each other.

(28:23):
He said No.
I said yes, and I told Emilythat I had gone on dates with
him a year ago.
She became very upset and askedme to leave, which I did.
The next day, Emily reached outand said she didn't appreciate
that I lied about when I datedher husband.
He told her we had dated fouryears ago before they were
married.
I didn't even live in this cityfour years ago, and even if we

(28:43):
had dated four years ago, theyhad been engaged at that point.
Either way, he would've beencheating.
I sent her screenshots.
Our text from the year beforeand from bubble Bumble of his
profile, which was still active,exclamation point.
She never responded, but when Isaw her in the lobby yesterday,

(29:03):
she wouldn't even look me in theeye.
I don't know if they're stilltogether and Emily hasn't
responded to my text.
So am I the a-hole for tellingher the truth?
No, I don't think so either.
But how uncomfortable.
Oh yeah.
And, but you know what, like, sothat's a shock to her, right?
Like to the wife?
Yeah.
so I my, initial thing would belike give her some space.

(29:24):
Yeah.
Although, I mean, the husbandobviously was trying to lie to
her.
Yeah.
and at that point I would begoing through everything.
Oh yeah.
I definitely don't think she'sthe, a-hole.
I'm actually proud of her.
If it happened like this forupfront being like, Hey, yeah.
We know each other.
Not trying to be like, no.
You know?
Yeah.
Way to be a girl's girl.
Yeah.
You know, to, to be upfront likeyou don't owe him what you do in

(29:48):
that situation.
I hope I would do the same thingI do.
I think I would be like, souncomfortable and I would wake
up something to leave and thenapproach her not in front of
him.
Yeah.
Because think nobody hascomposure anymore.
Mm-hmm.
And I'd be afraid the dude wouldlike totally lose it.
But, yeah, I think I wouldprobably make up an excuse to go
mm-hmm.
To leave and I would communicatewith her on the side.

(30:11):
Like, Hey this is what happened.
I don't know.
I would be so shocked.
Yeah.
I don't, I don't know if I wouldknow how to react.
Yeah.
But I do like the fact that shedidn't try to play it off and
then come back.
Yeah.
She was just immediately like,there's tension.
I gotta go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I mean, that it was, it was,that's, you go for that.
Yeah.
I don't think that one, I wouldhave the guts to do it in front

(30:33):
of him, because I'd be afraid,retaliation, or whatever.
Right.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And like you're living in thesame building.
Right.
And he knows where you live.
Yeah.
That's, I wonder how long, howthey were just moving in.
It was, and they only had threedates, so I'm sure he wasn't at
her apartment or anything.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Well, he, I mean, I.

(30:53):
Okay.
so the mini update is the next.
Okay.
Mini update, Emily.
Half hour later.
Yeah, half hour later.
So in my head I just heard thatwas later.
Emily just stopped by.
We had a quick chat, but she letme know.
She's kicked Matt out and shethanked me for telling her the
truth.
She also found out that I wasnot the only person he had dated

(31:14):
while they were married.
He's a dog.
Mm-hmm.
Given her space now, but wantedto share an update since that
happened so quickly afterposting Good for her.
So now update is three dayslater.
Yeah.
A happy final update.
Over the last few days I've beenhanging out with Emily, along
with her sister and two BFFs whoflew into support her That's
crazy.

(31:35):
Help me bash him.
I mean, is that what we'redoing?
I mean, whatever girl power, whoknows?
Okay.
There would be some alcoholflowing and some trash talking.
Yeah, that's true.
Let me tell you.
Well, it looks like that's whatshe said.
Yeah.
Tuesday night she texted me.
Space is overrated wine questionmark.
And that was that.
Yeah.
Matt confessed to everything andmore, and it was a lot worse
than anyone thought, but thisisn't about him anymore.

(31:57):
We've all had some really good,sometimes difficult
conversations, but it's beenvery cathartic and surprisingly
positive.
I found myself in the company ofsome pretty amazing women, which
is why the situation has turnedout the way it has.
I moved to the city two yearsago without knowing anyone, and
it certainly wasn't an easything to tell someone that I'd
hoped would be a friend, TBH.

(32:17):
It kind of felt like word vomitin the moment, and when I first
posted, admittedly, I wantedvalidation because there was a
large and loudly nagging part ofme that thought I'd done the
wrong thing.
So I'm very grateful to havecome through.
What began as a really awfulsituation with four awesome new
friends and far more laughs thantears.
Emily, her sister and I, are nowplanning a biweekly brunch date

(32:39):
and we also discovered we havesome other friends and interests
in common.
This post got far more attentionthan I've ever anticipated, so
did end up telling Emily aboutit.
Her sister joked that we shouldstart a podcast together and we
both shouted No, you can come onours though.
Yeah.
So this is both the end and anew beginning of this story.

(33:01):
Thank you for the support andkind word for both me and Emily.
We're gonna be just fine signingoff.
That is a great ending.
Ending.
Mm-hmm.
It really is.
Yeah.
I mean, I got nothing to saythat's there.
She's a bigger person than I am.
Same.
but I'm glad that she was soquickly able to realize that I.
That The dude was the jerk.

(33:21):
Yeah.
And she was, you know, a victim.
You know, she didn't, wasn'tlooking for a married dude.
Mm-hmm.
So, unlike other women.
so yeah.
Not, not the, a-hole.
I think you handled it well.
Way better than I would've.
I I'm gonna space.
Yeah.
Um, so instead of doing, um, abook so our non bookies can

(33:42):
stay, one of our listeners andso who was it?
Just, was somebody, you know,that recommended.
It was, Brittany okay.
so Brittany was friends with,Jamie Really?
Mm-hmm.
Oh, okay.
So this was recommended byBrittany.
Right.
So this was, I feel like we hadtalked about this that I was
watching back during Covid, ummm-hmm.

(34:05):
All these disappeared shows orlike people missing shows
because I had gone througheverything under the sun Yeah.
To watch.
and anytime I hear Charlotte orlike a town that is close by, my
ears perk up.
Oh, absolutely.
And this was on an episode ofDisappeared.
Mm-hmm.
And the name stuck out'cause ofFraley and Dylan's best
friend's.
Last name is Fraley.
Yep.
So it all connected.

(34:25):
Yeah.
For me.
Yes.
Absolutely.
But they're not related.
They spell it differently.
Mm-hmm.
Gotcha.
so Jamie Fraley was a22-year-old woman from Gastonia,
North Carolina, and she wentmissing april 8th, 2008.
Okay.
So did you listen to any of thepodcasts or?
I did.
I listened to several and Ifound another one or two that

(34:47):
were outside of the ones thatyou had sent me.
Mm-hmm.
Just saying the same thing, butjust wanted a different take on
'em.
Mm-hmm.
There is so much wrongmisinformation.
Yeah.
Or.
Just inconsistent information.
Alright, well let's get into thebasics first.
Yeah, let's, okay.
And then we will go into thetheories.
Yep.

(35:07):
So, some background, Jamiebattled health issues from the
time she came into this world.
doctors didn't believe that shewas gonna make it to one, but
she was a fighter from theget-go.
Mm-hmm.
And although she did have somehealth problems, as well as
diagnosed with bipolar disorderand anxiety, which did keep her
from being able to, graduatehigh school and get a driver's
license and stuff like that.

(35:27):
Yeah.
she was still working towardsher future.
Yes.
She wanted to be a, substanceabuse counselor.
and she was attending College,part-time she did not have any
substance abuse, but she lostseveral friends to substance
abuse.
Yeah.
And that's why, I think one ofthe pods too said that she had,
her family had a history of it,and so she was just, it really

(35:48):
touched her.
Mm-hmm.
She wanted to help, and herfiance and his family.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
so bringing us into that sectionof it, she had been in a
relationship with Ricky SimmonsJr.
Who has a criminal history, andthey were engaged.
Mm-hmm the day before thedisappearance.
She had like a severe stomachflu or what they thought was a

(36:11):
stomach flu.
she had, I heard stomach painand thought like cramping and
stuff, but I guess she wasdiagnosed with stomach flu.
Mm-hmm.
She went to the hospital twice.
She went to the er.
Yep.
Um, she, yeah.
So she went to the ER twice.
they did give her medication,but the medication was not
helping.
Mm-hmm.
so early, like one 30 in themorning, she was supposed to go

(36:32):
back to the hospital.
Mm-hmm.
She had talked to her mom, hermom asked her if she wanted her
to bring her.
She said no.
She had an appointment likereally early the next morning.
Yep.
With her caseworker.
Thank you.
Um, so she was meeting with themearly, didn't wanna miss that or
mess that up because she wasreally trying to gain
independence.
Right.
she was on the phone with herfriend mm-hmm.
And letting her know, like she'sgoing back to the hospital
mm-hmm.

(36:52):
And her ride was there and shesaid he mm-hmm.
Was here in a truck.
Mm-hmm.
They believe it's a man.
Yeah.
That was supposed to take her.
but that was the last anybodyheard from her.
Mm-hmm.
And she was poof, gone.
Mm-hmm.
that's crazy in and of itself,just for her to be gone.
Yeah.
Let's talk about her futurefather-in-law.

(37:14):
Oh.
So Ricky Junior ended up havingto serve some time.
Mm-hmm.
And while he was doing that, butit was not for violent crimes,
it was for like theft.
Yes.
Yes, I believe.
Yes, I think so too.
Which was related to his drugissues and, you know, the, the
cycle there.
But, his dad, she, yes.

(37:37):
she ends up spending a lot oftime with Ricky's dad.
So Ricky Sr.
Who is the maintenance man attheir.
Apartment complex.
They spent a lot of timetogether and apparently other
people that had spent time withthem were creeped out by the
way, he acted towards her in aski way.

(37:59):
Right.
I had the same note.
Did you?
I think I had like a creepy orsomething like that.
Yeah.
So he acted in not a fatherleeway towards her?
No.
Yeah.
gross.
A hundred percent gross.
It And what a bad situation toput her in.
Like, she's just trying to her,his son.
I mean, Uhhuh, I know it's allsorts of bad and there was a lot

(38:20):
of substance abuse involved.
Mm-hmm.
There was a lot of o not withJamie, but with just pretty much
everybody else.
Yeah.
Um, so we know that her fiancewas not, did not do it because.
He was in jail.
Right.
Rock solid alibi.
Yeah.
Doesn't get much, much betterthan that.
Yeah.
Um, and, and Ricky Sr.

(38:42):
Um, the dad or, or the futurefather-in-law did take her to
the hospital the day before thefirst time.
Mm-hmm.
So it's not out of the realm ofpossibilities that he would be
taking her.
Yep.
Second time especially becauselike you said, he did take her,
they did spend time together.
I mean, he was a consistentfigure in her life that she

(39:02):
would've asked to do that again.
So, um, so when parents askedthe police to go do a well check
mm-hmm.
In Jamie's apartment.
Yep.
Her purse was still there.
Her key, the door was locked.
Right.
And the keys were still inside.
The only thing that she hadtaken with her was her cell
phone.
Yeah.
Which was found, a week later.

(39:25):
Mm-hmm.
By a, lineman.
Yeah.
So it was ringing.
He answered it and they're like,who are you?
And he said he found the cellphone while he was working that
day.
Yep.
So, they go do a wellness check.
I.
Obviously she's not there.
Right.
they don't immediately likefreak out.
Mm-hmm.
'cause they're, she's an adult,but the following day, the
parents, let's go back to whatsomething else they found in

(39:48):
the, um, missing shoe laces.
The shoe laces.
That's crazy.
So the shoe laces were missing,they said are from her favorite
pair of shoes that she wouldnever have taken these out for
any reason.
And these were the shoes shealways wore unless she was in
flip flops, but the laces weremissing.
That is just boggling.
I mean, we can all probablyassume what was done with those,
but it's just, but why not takethese shoes with you?

(40:10):
Right.
I don't.
Right.
So much doesn't add up.
So it doesn't, but it'simportant that that door was
locked.
It was locked.
and because Ricky Senior was amaintenance Yep.
Man.
There, he had access to the keysto mm-hmm.
To get in to it.
Lock it.
Lock.
Yep.
Whatever things.
Okay, so, they did like a phoneanalysis of like calls for the

(40:31):
cell phone Yep.
And saw that there was callsmade around 5:00 AM but for
whatever reason they couldn'ttrace.
Oh, really?
I didn't hear this part.
Yeah, they don't know if it wasa burner phone Okay.
Or where the number, who thenumber belonged to could have
been like a Google Voice type ofnumber.
Okay.
I don't think apps were that bigback then.

(40:51):
Yeah.
They were not.
Yeah.
So I don't think it was like arough app or anything like that.
Right.
Um, but they couldn't figure outwho the, the number belonged to
or who they were making callsto.
Yeah.
Which leads me to believe, andthis is just my theory, that.
if it was Ricky Sr.
He was calling some of hisunsavory friends to help dispose

(41:11):
of Yeah.
Whatever happened.
Yeah.
because we all know lots ofburner phones.
Right.
Are and the community and whichRick was involved in.
Now, in your points there thatwere, are we gonna talk about
some things we found out aboutRicky Senior's history?
Yes.
Okay.
All right.
So Persons of interest.
Yeah.
So we have Ricky Senior.

(41:32):
Mm-hmm.
Um, who is Jamie's neighbor andfather-in-law had a criminal
record, including passedmanslaughter conviction.
Right.
He strangled his ex-girlfriend.
Right.
And served only six years forthat.
So let's talk about that for asecond.
Yes, ma'am.
So that's not an accident.
No.
That is, that takes time.

(41:53):
Yeah.
And that is a very personalcrime.
Just remember that.
Well, we're talking about all ofthis like, and the shoe laces.
And the freaking shoe laces.
Okay.
That's all like, to me, that'slike the biggest red flag for
sure.
Sorry, captain Obvious over.

(42:14):
and like he said before, he wasknown to be creepy with Jamie
flirting and actinginappropriate.
and let's also note that she wasonly four foot nine and 90
pounds.
Right.
She was too tiny.
She was a pocket person.
She was itty bitty.
Mm-hmm.
I would look like a giant nextto her.
And that never happens.
Yeah.
Four nine is tiny.
Tiny.
So, let's see.

(42:35):
He was among the last to seeJamie and was reportedly
obsessed with her.
He refused a polygraph test, butI don't really feel like that
makes him guilty becauseeverybody says never ever, ever
take the polygraph.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you look guilty andeverybody's like, oh my God, he
didn't take the polygraph.
Yeah, but I don't.
Put any stock in that account?
No, I don't either.
So it was noted in a lot of thethings.

(42:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I noted it, but I don'treally feel like that adds to.
Right.
I'm you, I'm with you.
I wouldn't take one.
No.
Heck no.
I would, they would say, is yourname Stephanie?
And it would probably come up asa, like, I'd be so freaking
nervous.
I know, I know.
Agreed.
Agreed.
And then I'd be like, in my mindthinking, okay, I know there's a
way to beat this, so I have toanswer it wrong when I'm really

(43:16):
saying the right thing.
And I'd get all turned aroundwith what I'm supposed to do.
So, yeah.
I'm not taking a polygraph No,never.
So he was a person of interest,like the main person of
interest.
Yes.
Because so many people told thepolice he was creepy and he has
a obvious record.
So would you now like to getinto the, the most current

(43:37):
ex-girlfriend of Ricky Sr.
Yes, but I also wanna on therecord, your Honor, that'cause
I'm so judgy, I only heard thison one of the pods.
The police department that washandling the, case went under.
And so all of their stuff gotabsorbed into like Gaston County
Sheriff's.

(43:57):
'cause I guess it was beinghandled by Bessemer City.
Mm-hmm.
And when it got absorbed, thecase got absorbed back into a
bigger, Gaston County.
They lost stuff.
Oof.
And I don't know the timeframewith that, but,'cause the couple
that I listened to said thatthey had three detectives Mm.
On the case they called in theFBI.
Mm-hmm.
Like early and it's still open.

(44:19):
Mm-hmm.
But it wasn't like, oh, wellshe's an adult.
Right.
She can disappear.
She wants, or she has the, youknow, she's an at risk lifestyle
Right.
Because of who she hangs outwith and all that stuff.
Yeah.
They, they tried.
Yeah.
So would you like to tell the,the lovely story of the newest
ex-girlfriend of Ricky s sure.
So she's driving around in hercar.
And how, how long was thisafter?

(44:41):
It was June of the same year.
Okay.
So three, four months after,Jamie is missing the ex of Ricky
Seniors driving around in hercar.
She's like, man something.
No.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, not what I heard.
Not the, the recollections ofwhat I heard.
Okay.
her car got broken at you andher purse or something got
stolen out of her vehicle andRicky was found with the keys or

(45:05):
Rick the police found.
I didn't hear that at all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So like right like a coupleweeks before this, her purse was
stolen.
Okay.
obviously she called the copsand Ricky was found to have had
the keys.
Okay.
So they couldn't pin it, thebreak in, but he had the keys.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
and then a couple weeks latershe was in her apartment.
She went outside to go wherever,store wherever.

(45:26):
And that's when she found him.
she went to her car and it justsmelled horrible.
Like it was in June.
Right.
And the decomposing body,'causeshe didn't go out till later in
the day is what.
This thing that I looked you, soI heard, just to backtrack a
little bit, so we're going offof these sources, so take it for
what it's worth.

(45:46):
Mm-hmm.
I mean, we haven't verified thisstuff ourselves.
Right.
So she was driving around in hercar, like you said in June,
started smelling this nastysmell.
I didn't hear anything aboutthat.
I believe you, but I didn't hearanything about that.
The purse, drove around with itlike that for a couple of days
and then she finally was like,I've gotta figure out the smell.
Like I've done that.
Like, I've been, like, I pickedup groceries, I left some,

(46:08):
there's some chicken orsomething in here.
Or when Jackson was little.
There's a Gogurt in heresomewhere.
You know, you leave your windowsopen when it rains.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, we've all been thereat some point.
but I think this smell would'vebeen so much worse, and that's
why I tend to lean towards.
It not being a long time.

(46:29):
Yeah.
Between when she noticed it towhen she decided to check it.
Yeah.
So she opens the trunk and shefinds Ricky Senior.
Mm-hmm.
Not alive.
Nope.
with a weapon.
With a weapon.
He had been there for a coupleof days.
They say he definitely showedsigns of decomp.
Yep.
now what did you hear as far aslike, what were the hypotheses

(46:50):
for?
Why he was Well, he was nothappy about their breakup.
Yeah.
And he wanted to scare, give herthe scaring of a lifetime, or I
forgot the exact place.
Give show, give her a lesson orgive, give her something, like,
something to that effect.
so it was, he, he was in thereto.
Pop out when she opened thetrunk mm-hmm.
And scare the crap out of her.

(47:10):
But the Toxology report Yep.
Said that he had drugs andalcohol in his system so much.
Yeah.
He could not, even figure outhow to like, do the emergency
escape in the trunk.
Well, yeah.
They think that the, he passedout, when, and it's June.
June again, June, July in thesouth.
I mean, it's hot.
Yeah.
It's at least 90.
Yeah.
and then, and, and that's not inthe trunk.

(47:31):
No, it's outside.
Right?
Yeah.
So you're baking in that car.
Mm-hmm.
That's, and he passed out,whether it's from substances or
heat, exhaustion, whatever, anddied Yep.
To his own accord.
But could you imagine, oh myGod, no.
My God.
And then like, my beauty thoughtwas like, I didn't do this and
they're gonna think I did this.

(47:53):
It's always the significantother.
Right, right.
Yeah.
that is so crazy to me.
And of course she freaks out andshe calls the, the law.
I don't, I don't wanna be like,do I call the police?
I know you can be phoning afriend.
Do I, do I call the police?
Do I, what do I do?
What do I do?
Yeah.
I'm with you a hundred percent.
But crazy and disgusting.

(48:14):
Yes, I would, I would not wantthat car back.
No.
Burn the car.
I'm with you.
so he's out if he did it or ifhe knew anything with what was
going on.
Mm-hmm.
We know nothing.
It, it went with him.
Um, again, he refused to takethe polygraph and mm-hmm.
So whatever.
So the theories are obviouslyRick being involved.

(48:37):
Yeah.
Hold on.
2015, a prison inmate claimedresponsibility for Jamie's
disappearance.
Right.
However, this dude's an idiot.
Why false confess is so stupid.
he was incarcerated at the time,right?
And I'm like, why would he dothat?
The only things that, that Icould figure out was to just get
more clout.
Yeah.
Like more street cred orwhatever.
But yeah, I don't know.

(48:59):
That's another easily provenfact.
Yeah.
He was in prison at the time ofher disappearance, so what a
dummy.
Yeah.
Dumb dumb.
So that was obviously not it.
so let's go to theories andspeculations.
Okay.
Obviously, Ricky Senior.
Given the proximity, criminalhistory mm-hmm.
And reported obsession.
Mm-hmm.

(49:19):
Many suspected his involvement.
Mm-hmm one of the podcasts, andI didn't even know, obviously I
didn't live around here duringthis time, but Danny Hembry.
Okay.
Have you ever heard that name?
No, I haven't either.
He was a serial killer inGastonia.
No.
Yeah.
the podcast I listened to saidthat it was like in whatever

(49:40):
newspaper or on the news orsomething that that they, that's
way too close to home.
So the people that, he wascharged with and in prison for
was in 2009.
They were Okay.
Unli.
This happened in 2008.
Eight, so it was very close.
He was eight in the drug scene.
And Gastonia is a very small Itis town.

(50:01):
Yeah.
It's like 70,000.
At that time it was 70,000people.
Yeah.
so it sounds like kind of big,but it's really not considering,
right.
And then you add in like thedrug aspect.
I'm sure everybody in that worldkind of knew each other back
then.
Yeah.
there wasn't like.
All the different ways tocommunicate.
Right.
As much.
Right.
There were, there were locationsand there were groups of people.

(50:23):
Right.
It wasn't, yes.
So this is like a side theory ofsomebody saying that.
Did he picked her up, went like,Hey, on the way, I'm gonna pick
up X, y, z substance.
Mm-hmm.
And Danny Hembry was involved.
Wow.
I didn't hear that.
That's interesting though.

(50:44):
Mm-hmm.
He never admitted to anythingthough, did he?
No.
He was convicted, of two and headmitted to an additional three,
but was never convicted on thosebecause there wasn't enough
evidence to actually like takehim to trial for him.
But he never did this one.
That's what I don't get.
Like I.
I told you I did these five.
Watch.
Happy Face Killer.

(51:05):
Okay.
That's gonna be my tonight'swhite watch.
That was the bonus.
Okay.
Um, so yeah, so that was anotherlike side theory.
And then on Reddit, I kind ofReddit thread about this.
Okay.
And this is just a side noteabout Ricky's family.
Mm-hmm.
a lady said that she knew thefamily very well.
Mm-hmm.
And everybody in the family hadit substance abuse problems.

(51:28):
Okay.
All three kids and the father.
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and then the mother, Ibelieve died of aids.
Okay.
If what this woman said wascorrect mm-hmm.
This is from Reddit and mm-hmm.
It's a Reddit thread person.
Right.
So, but she said that she usedto talk to Ricky's daughter.
Mm-hmm.
And this is after he passed.
And she, I.
would, would say, oh no, hewasn't involved.

(51:48):
And then the very next thing shewould say would contradict.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
is Ricky Junior still alive?
I didn't dig into that.
I don't know, but I'm gonna lookreal quick.
But he, he did bunch ofdifferent interviews.
Did he?
I don't know if he's alivetoday, but, I know when he got
out, he did like a lot ofsearching.
Like he went with her family andsearched and he was devastated.

(52:11):
Mm-hmm.
Well, could you imagine, like,for everybody suspects, your
dad, your dad's a creep, right?
Creeping on your fiance whileyou're locked up and possibly
unli her.
Yeah.
And then stupidly went in atrunk and unli himself.
I mean, play dumb games, windumb prizes.
So we have those two theories.

(52:33):
Yep.
And then the idiot case that waslocked up, but he admitted to
the crime, so he doesn't evencount.
Yeah.
And then obviously there's like,because she was bipolar, um
yeah.
Did she have a manic episode?
Which I don't believe because ifshe was in so much pain from her
stomach, right.
Well, there's just too manyother things that don't make
sense.
Yeah.
the shoe license is the hugeone.
She didn't take her purse, shedidn't take any belongings.

(52:54):
Right.
It was her phone and that wasit.
Yep.
And then of course it could havebeen like she thought her ride
was there.
She went outside and a totallyrandom person.
Yeah.
crying, you know, whatever.
Yeah.
Now she did say, He's here andsomething about the truck, but
he did drive a van and I do knowpeople who call their big SUVs
trucks, Uhhuh.

(53:14):
So the podcasts do say thatthey're like, some people call
it a truck.
That's true.
Yeah.
Some people Brian does not.
He's like, I saw a truck.
Or truck's a truck.
Yeah.
But, but a lot of people docall, uh, any type of big
vehicle with like storage in theback a truck.
Right.
So that lines up with, you know,is the classic kidnapper van.

(53:36):
Yeah.
I want the white panel.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
So still open case.
Yes.
Um, not closed.
Definitely cold.
there are the theories, like youwere saying on what I know what
I think I do too.
I think it was Ricky Senior.
Same.
but if anybody happens to knowanything Yep.
Please contact the police.

(53:58):
Yep.
her family is obviouslydevastated still, and so are her
friends.
Yep, absolutely.
So if you happen to have anyinformation, be the, the Gaston
County Police that you would,contact, not Gus on, not Gus on.
if you know anything, let'emknow, because I can't imagine
not having closure to somethinglike that.
Oh my gosh.
But oh, there have been quotesightings of her.

(54:21):
Oh, I didn't, I didn't see that.
So somebody thought they saw herin Japan.
There's always sightings of knoweverybody like I, but it's that
whole doppelganger thing, youknow, like, is it really her or
is it whatever?
But somebody said there was oneother place they saw her, but
somebody said they saw her inJapan with a group of women and
she made eye contact with thisperson and said, help me.
Maybe I know.

(54:41):
Who knows?
Maybe.
So, Gastonia is a hub for,trafficking.
I know.
It's like the, one of thebiggest, isn't that crazy?
Mm-hmm.
It's not outta the realm ofpossibility.
It's not, it's not.
so hopefully, I don't know, theycan figure that out.
Oh, and there was human remainsdiscovered.
I don't remember exactly when,but it's been since then at Pond

(55:03):
in Gastonia.
That's not far from mm-hmm.
From this.
but they said it must've beenrecently'cause they said it
could take up to a year to, toidentify the remains.
I don't know if there's thatmuch backlog or if that process
just takes that long.
To me it's like, take a DNAtest.
Yeah.
Or X-rays of the mouth and thenjust run it through the big huge
computer systems we all use.

(55:25):
So I don't know, they're stilltrying to find answers and I
hope they do.
Oof.
Yeah.
Prayers to the family and Yeah.
You know, hopefully one daythere is some closure,
something, something to helpthem heal.
so next week, are we reading abook or we wanna do something
else?
I totally forgot about evengetting prepared for a book.

(55:47):
It's up to you.
What would you like to do?
I'm gonna leave that one up toyou.
Oh, I kind of liked doing thedocumentary, or listening to the
pods.
Do you have any that like youwanna talk about?
No.
you know what, there's been onethat's been, I've been thinking
about kyle Fleshman.
See if there's any podcasts onhim.

(56:08):
There's a couple.
Oh, there's a whole podcastcalled Missing in the Carolinas.
Oh, okay.
Let's, you wanna listen to thisone?
Sure.
All right.
So next week, no book again.
but we will do Yep.
Some discussion on what's theguy's name?
His name is Kyle.
Fleischman.
F-L-E-I-S-C-H-M-A-N-N.
And I remember when thishappened, he, went missing from

(56:30):
the Charlotte area.
So just another one that'sclose.
Yep.
And our people might know thisguy.
If you know Kyle, let us know,or if you remember when this
happened or, anything, let usknow.
Well, thank you guys forlistening.
Um, please like, share, tellyour friends to listen.
And we love you.
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Leave us a review.
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(56:51):
Don't let'em argue with them.
So you just say bye real fast.
So they have to do it.
Yeah, that's my theory.
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