July 23, 2024 • 49 mins
Welcome to "This Is Sus," where April, Lori & Nicole, dive into the most jaw-dropping stories of the week! In this episode:
1) A black woman is wrongly identified by AI, raising serious questions about technology and bias.
2)A tangled love triangle unravels as a boyfriend is caught hooking up with a surprising friend, leaving everyone in shock.
3) A mind-bending tale as we explore a real-life glitch in the matrix that will make you question reality.
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April (00:00):
All right, hey suspects, welcome back to This Is Sus
(00:02):
podcast where we dive into thesuspicious stories from near and
far...
Nearish.
Nearish and farish.
Well buckle up.
These ones are a trip.
Transcribed by https (00:18):
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Nicole (00:21):
Icebreakers gotta do icebreakers icebreakers
icebreakers.
Okay.
Lori (00:24):
Wait, we haven't introduced ourselves.
April (00:27):
Oh, I'm April.
Lori (00:29):
I'm Lori.
Nicole (00:30):
And I'm Nicole.
April (00:31):
But you know that already, right?
If you don't, now you do.
Lori (00:36):
April.
Yes.
If you were a ghost, how wouldyou haunt people?
April (00:42):
Oh, Okay, I know Lori answered this one another week
ago.
And honestly, because I troll inreal life, I would also do the
same thing.
But you were too nice in yourtrolling.
Nicole (00:54):
You were so excited.
You were like, when I think ofhaunting, I think of something
sinister.
And you're like, Oh, oh, I'dmove things.
April (01:03):
I'll put their keys in the fridge.
If you want to see all of heranswers, go back a few videos
and you'll see.
So let's say I'm dead and Nicoleis alive.
I would.
I would definitely haunt you.
Nicole (01:18):
Just for the sheer humor of it.
April (01:21):
But I would also, if somebody was being mean to you I
would just put stuff in the wayto make them look a fool.
Like they would trip and fall orthey would, stub their toe.
Yeah.
Oh, what are the worst things?
Like always a warm toilet seat.
Oh yeah.
Like you don't know what it is.
Why is it warm?
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Warm side of the pillow all thetime.
Like you always flip it just,you know, stuff like that.
Ooh, no toilet paper.
You know how people say ghostscan make you feel the chills?
Yeah.
Let's say on a really cold day,they really want to warm up.
You can tell they're chilly.
I'll just hover around them allday.
So they're all chilly and theycan't get it.
Nicole (02:01):
Oh, I want you to haunt me and be my personal air
conditioner.
April (02:04):
Of course I would.
Yes, of course.
Yes.
I would be helpful to you.
I already know your heart.
Life is hard enough.
Instead of moving your keysaway, I would put them where you
could see them.
And then you probably still missthem.
I would try I would try I wouldhaunt you in a good way and I'd
haunt others in a bad way fornot being nice to you.
Nicole (02:23):
So now, you know, be nice to me because anybody
you're going to have to contendwith April.
Because I feel like ghosts don'tknow, like, they don't have time
restraints.
So I could be in many places allat the same time in my mind.
So I could be around everyone.
And, you know, on times,obviously, I would be trolling
you as well.
You're mine to troll, notothers.
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Right.
April (02:47):
I get to troll you and get the glee out of doing that,
not other people.
Nicole (02:51):
That's true.
I would not want to deprive youof your glee.
April (02:53):
Exactly.
So that's my answer.
Nicole (02:55):
Awesome.
Awesome.
My face actually hurts fromsmiling so hard.
Lori (02:59):
I love it.
That's so good.
That's so good.
April (03:01):
So who's next?
Nicole (03:02):
Lori, how many countries have you visited outside of your
own?
April (03:08):
22.
I don't think that's right.
Lori (03:10):
No, but that's my favorite number.
April (03:11):
You're welcome.
Thank you.
She has not visited 22, but shewould like to.
I would.
Nicole (03:16):
Having a moment now.
April (03:19):
And no more than 22.
Lori (03:20):
No, no.
22 is enough.
Nicole (03:22):
Sorry, babe.
We're done traveling.
I've seen it all.
April (03:25):
I've seen my 22.
Lori (03:28):
Okay.
So countries, I think reallyonly three.
But I visited them many manytimes.
Nicole (03:37):
Oh, really?
I've been to Mexico now eighttimes, but different areas of
Mexico, and America like theUnited States I've been there
many times.
And then I've been, like, allacross Canada.
That's it.
I guess I've kind of stayed onthe, the continent, if you will.
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Like I've never been to Jamaica.
I'd love to go to Jamaica.
I'd love to go to Turks and isthat where the Maldives are?
Is that the same thing?
April (04:06):
I have no idea.
I'm bad at geography.
Lori (04:08):
Really want to go to the Maldives.
I, I think it's called Maldives,Maldives.
Yeah, because they have thosehuts that are like right on top
of the water.
April (04:17):
I've definitely been to a divy mall.
Nicole (04:18):
What?
But I think that's it.
Nothing.
Nothing.
Too crazy.
Although crazy things happen inthese few countries I've been
to.
Also, when you go on a trip withlike just one of your one of
your girlfriends.
Oh, yeah, wild wild thingshappen.
April (04:39):
Now it's my turn.
Lori (04:40):
Yes.
April (04:41):
I ask Nicole.
Lori (04:42):
Yes.
April (04:43):
If you could be any inanimate object for a day, what
would you be and why?
Nicole (04:47):
Inanimate object.
April (04:49):
Yes.
Nicole (04:49):
For a day.
I mean, that's a weird question.
Okay, I want to be somethingrelaxing, but I want to be able
to relax, not be relaxed on.
So that takes out like beds andeasy chairs.
April (05:01):
You do like hugs.
Nicole (05:02):
A lamp.
I'd like to be a lamp.
I'll just hang out all day.
April (05:06):
Okay...
Lori (05:07):
And people could turn you on and off.
Nicole (05:08):
Oh, that's true.
April (05:09):
I think it's really funny that you want to be a lamp,
because they're like your mortalenemies.
Lori (05:15):
Because she wants to be in control of her electricity.
Nicole (05:18):
I wanna be a hanging lamp from the ceiling.
I just chill.
April (05:22):
Yeah.
Suspended?
Nicole (05:24):
A glittery one.
Yeah.
Okay.
Lori (05:26):
I'll never look at a hanging lamp the same.
April (05:28):
I'll be like, that could be Nicole.
Nicole (05:31):
Do you remember those people we watched on that video
who truly believed she was anact?
April (05:35):
She was a couch or something.
Nicole (05:37):
She would like sit there like this.
And she's like, I'm a couch.
April (05:40):
The partner was fully on board supportive and pretended
that she was a couch.
Nicole (05:45):
It was just crazy.
Lori (05:48):
So you could sit on her?
April (05:48):
Sit on her.
That's a couch.
That's a chair.
Sometimes they were a table.
Nicole (05:52):
She'd spend hours in this position.
April (05:54):
And then she would just walk around like she was a piece
of furniture.
It was on the BBC.
Nicole (05:59):
I thought it was a troll video.
But no, no, it was real.
April (06:02):
It was real.
Lori (06:03):
Humans are fascinating.
Yeah, the brain is weird.
Yeah, it's a weird, weird thing.
April (06:10):
Anyway, I am storyteller number one.
And I have a glitch in thematrix story.
Okay.
I experienced a glitch in theMatrix a few years ago and
here's my story.
That's what OP says.
This is on literally the Redditboard, Glitch in the Matrix.
I was driving down a road in theevening, and the sun had mostly
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set, but it wasn't completelydark yet.
Behind me, there was a verydistinct Jeep, green, with a
unique paint job, with green LEDlights.
We were on a rural highway.
There was no turn offs duringthe stretch of road, and the car
had been behind me for severalminutes.
On the radio, it was some Blink182 song.
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I was in a cover band at thetime, and this was one of the
songs that we had in our setlist.
I was driving back from apractice and I was trying to
work through something in thatsong.
So I knew it pretty immediately.
And here's where I noticed aglitch.
I experienced this sensationtwice in my life, and this is
one of them.
The best I can describe it is,if someone hypothetically
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grabbed the bottom of yourspine, cracks it like a whip,
and the sensation travels upyour spine to culminate in a pop
right in the base of the skull,the top of the spine.
After the pop, my ears wereringing faintly, and I could
hear other noises for a solid 30seconds.
The pop occurred during theinstrumental breakdown of the
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song.
After the pop, I noticed anextra measure in the instrument
instrumental breakdown.
I don't know exactly what thatmeans.
Nicole (07:43):
Basically, there's a few extra bars of music.
April (07:45):
Oh, okay.
Nicole (07:47):
Like four beats.
April (07:48):
He actually says an extra four beats.
Nicole (07:50):
It's like a song you know, off by heart, and then all
of a sudden, there's this extrapiece in it.
April (07:53):
Okay, interesting.
This is a song we had rehearsedhundreds of times, there was no
way I was simply counting thebeat wrong, because I knew the
song really well.
I looked up in my rearviewmirror, and the Jeep was no
longer behind me.
This is a rural highway, nowherewhere they could have turned
off.
Weird, I thought, maybe theyjust pulled over and I didn't
notice.
Well, not 15 seconds later, Inoticed oncoming headlights
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coming up around the bend in theroad, and wouldn't you know it?
A green LED Jeep withheadlights.
Nicole (08:22):
What?
April (08:22):
The car passes and sure enough, yeah, it is that Jeep
and it has that very distinctpaint job.
Nicole (08:27):
Right.
April (08:28):
There's no way that the car could have gone from behind
me into the oncoming lane inthat span of time from around
the corner.
Anyway, I did not really knowwhat to make of it at the time.
Nicole (08:38):
That is so interesting.
Lori (08:39):
Oh I love stories like this
April (08:42):
So to run it down.
Basically, he's driving a songhe knows is on.
He suddenly like he looks in hisrear view mirror.
Okay, there's a Jeep there.
It has green headlights, andit's got an interesting paint
job.
Then suddenly he hears this pop,extra four beats of the song
that he's really used to.
And the Jeep isn't there.
He's like, What?
Where did it go?
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And then the Jeep comes aroundthe corner in the opposite
direction.
Yeah.
Lori (09:06):
I wonder if that's more of like, a timeline shift.
April (09:10):
Or something.
Lori (09:11):
Have you heard of a timeline shift before?
Nicole (09:13):
No, but I guess I kind of get the gist.
Lori (09:16):
So a lot of people say that there's a lot of different
timelines happening at the sametime.
April (09:21):
A lot of people think that they're just right on top
of one another.
You can sometimes go from thisone to that one.
Nicole (09:27):
I guess I thought that's what a glitch in the matrix is.
Lori (09:30):
Everybody's kind of living in their own matrix, you know?
April (09:33):
Yes.
Lori (09:33):
I think that sometimes, really weird things can happen.
They say that you vibrate at acertain level and sometimes you
can vibrate higher and then yourlife can sort of change.
And I wonder if that four extrabeats was actually like the
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song, he's listening to it in adifferent timeline.
Like maybe the timeline shiftedin that moment?
I don't know.
That's so weird.
I want to know what you think ofthis, Nicole.
Nicole (10:07):
So if I were with him, I would ask two questions.
One, does that song always havethat extra four beats Or was it
like he skipped back in time andthere was an extra four beats in
the song kind of thing.
And two, has he ever driven overthere again?
Like personally me, I'd bedriving back and forth over that
space just to see what goes on.
That's totally what I'm thinkingand what I want to know.
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The whole feeling like up hisback and stuff is really weird.
So, and into his spine and hisneck is really weird.
So I'm either going with glitchin the matrix or some sort of
minor brain aneurysm wherethings just really shifted in
his brain for a second there.
Lori (10:46):
What do you think, April?
April (10:48):
I don't know.
I think definitely there aretimes when you feel like you
have deja vu or like, how wouldhe know about the Jeep and the
color of it and everything thatis coming around the corner and
that's the Jeep that was behindhim.
That would just be like What?
So I don't know.
(11:09):
I believe some of these glitchin the matrix stories.
I don't believe somebody justmakes this up.
It's just super weird.
Nicole (11:17):
I agree.
I think there's just a lot ofunexplained things out there.
Like I don't necessarily believein a multiverse, only because it
was kind of invented by comicsand science just sort of is
like, it doesn't really work outmathematically or with physics.
But there's just so much, likethere's clearly a spiritual
realm, other realms that wedon't necessarily see.
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And so, weird things happen.
Like, why did this happen?
What happened?
It is really interesting.
You know what I mean?
Lori (11:47):
Yeah,
Nicole (11:47):
Like, I just that's why I'm so curious.
Like, sometimes I wish I couldtalk to people in person and be
like, tell me about thisexperience.
I know you described it here.
But like, the next time youheard that song, were those
extra four beats there?
Are they always there for younow?
Did you talk to your bandmates?
Like, I want to hear what theythink, you know?
And so that that would just besuch a cool conversation.
April (12:07):
I don't know what you mean by the quantum realm,
sorry, what do you mean by that?
Nicole (12:12):
The whole layered multiverses about you make a
choice and it makes a newmultiverse type thing.
Like literally we make all sortsof choices in a second.
So the millions and billions andbazillions of multiverses
scientifically, I just don'tthink that's a real thing.
April (12:28):
I think they have been able to prove something about
the quantum realm.
I don't exactly know exactlywhat we don't have to look into
it.
Nicole (12:35):
Yeah.
April (12:35):
But like through mathematical equations, they can
mathematically prove the quantumrealm, apparently.
Nicole (12:42):
I sort of disagree, I think maybe we're thinking of
what they're provingdifferently.
April (12:46):
Yeah.
Nicole (12:46):
Which is okay.
Like, the truth is, I think weboth still agree that there's
stuff that we don't understand.
Lori (12:51):
There's definitely things that are extremely hard to be
explained.
Nicole (12:56):
Absolutely.
Yes.
Unless you're a completelyclosed minded person, I don't
think you can say like, no, thiscannot be real, you know?
Lori (13:05):
Yeah.
Nicole (13:05):
But at the same time, he experienced this weird
sensation.
I do think it's possible like Isaid, it's a glitch in the
matrix.
Or, he had some sort of weirdbrain fart, makes it all seem
like he was, this car was behindhim and before him and stuff
like that.
Because he felt somethingphysical in his spine too.
So I'm wondering if somethingjust like popped there.
With my mom with dementia, herreality changes all the time.
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And so, you know, like a 30second episode of this to me is
possible too.
April (13:33):
So somebody asks him, so what was the second time you
experienced?
And if you can recall anythingelse did a glitch at that time.
And he says, The second time wasroughly two to three weeks ago.
It wasn't really remarkable.
I was sitting in my office desk.
The only thing I've noticedsince then is the Sinead
O'Connor death.
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I very much remember eulogiesand tributes a few years ago,
and I even remember them showingher ripping the picture of the
Pope up on SNL.
I very much remember her passingtwo or three years ago.
So it's a definite Mandelaeffect.
Since that time, I believe thisone is still unfolding, maybe.
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And somebody else says, I swear,I remember that she died as
well.
And I was like, Wait, I thoughtshe died a few years ago.
I just assumed that I had herconfused as someone else.
But it's weird that other peopleother here are saying I also
thought they died.
Sinead O'Connor.
Lori (14:31):
I remember her dying.
Is she not dead?
Nicole (14:36):
No, she's alive.
Weird, is she alive?
Did she just recently die?
April (14:40):
I think so.
Lori (14:41):
I'm pretty sure it was like a few years ago that I
heard that she died.
Nicole (14:45):
I don't know, I remember seeing her on TV a few years
ago.
April (14:48):
Yeah, July 2023 is when she died.
Nicole (14:50):
Oh, wow.
Lori (14:51):
No!
April (14:51):
Yeah.
Lori (14:52):
That is a bold faced lie.
April (14:54):
She apparently died July 26 of 2023.
When did Sinead O'Connor die?
Lori (15:01):
Comment and tell us when you remember hearing that she
died.
I want to say it was at leastlike three or four years ago.
At least.
Because this was, how long agowas this?
April (15:12):
A year ago.
Lori (15:13):
So a year ago, and they're saying it was a few years ago.
Nicole (15:16):
And she believes she died a while ago.
April (15:17):
They said, I very much remember eulogies and tributes a
few years ago.
Lori (15:21):
Yes!
April (15:22):
She passed away officially, actually, in this
timeline, we'll call it, a yearago.
And then this person says two orthree years ago she passed away.
Lori (15:30):
I want to say in my timeline, I want to say it was
four years ago.
April (15:36):
So which would line up with this other person's
timeline.
Nicole (15:39):
I'll be honest, I thought she was dead for a long
time.
And then like I said, a fewyears ago, she showed up on TV
and I'm like, Oh, she's stillaround.
I guess I must have misheard,but I don't pay attention
enough.
And I don't really have a goodmemory of time.
So I would not be the rightwitness of that.
Lori (15:53):
I definitely have time blindness.
Nicole (15:55):
Yeah, me too.
Like she's been alive for anebulous amount of years.
And I just found out now she'sgone.
And my hope she's in a betterplace.
That's all.
Lori (16:05):
Yeah.
April (16:06):
So what do you guys think?
Sus Meter wise.
Nicole (16:10):
I mean, I don't think he's suspicious.
I think he's being pretty realabout his experience.
It appears to me.
April (16:17):
Yeah.
I think the whole glitch in thematrix thing is kind of, I don't
know, I give side eye to that.
Nicole (16:22):
I give that some side eye.
I mean, there's definitely someunexplained things here that we
don't understand.
April (16:28):
Yeah.
Nicole (16:28):
The whole car coming around the corner would blow my
mind.
Lori (16:32):
I don't know.
Yeah, I, I think side eye is agood one for that one because we
just have so many morequestions.
I want to talk to this person.
Like I want this OP to see ourpodcast and then like you
comment and tell us more like Ijust want to know.
Nicole (16:51):
All those questions that we have.
Lori (16:52):
Is that song still have those four extra bars or was it
only that one time?
Nicole (16:56):
Or do you only remember it with the four less bars but
all your band buddies rememberwith four extra ones?
April (17:03):
Oh, somebody asks him, are the four extra beats still
there?
Maybe you've switched timelines.
No, the extra four beats was aone time thing.
Nicole (17:11):
There we go.
April (17:11):
It's not like a Mandela effect that permanently changed
the song.
The instrumental breakdown is 16measures.
This day, there were 17.
It has not been permanentlychanged.
It was more like deja vu sort ofit felt odd out of place clunky.
For your information the songwas All The Small Things and the
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extra four beats were added inthe build up to the final
chorus.
Nicole (17:35):
I just think it's kind of cool that it was Blink 182,
like you blink and all of asudden boof.
April (17:39):
I know, you know, yeah.
Lori (17:41):
So funny.
Yeah.
Say it ain't so.
I will not go.
April (17:47):
Somebody else has commented there's a thing called
kundalini.
Oh, the kundalini, yeah.
Basically it's a term for aspiritual energy or the life
force located at the base of thespine, conceptualized as a
coiled serpent.
The practice of kundalini yogais supposed to arouse the
sleeping kundalini shakti fromits coiled base through six
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chakras and penetrate theseventh chakra or crown.
And this guy says the spinething could be the kundalini
energy.
I think it's considered safe ifit does it on its own, but when
you force it, it could causemental instability.
We'll have energy coiled up atthe base of our spine, and it
can go up to our head, or higherchakras, causing sights, sound,
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psychic experiences.
I think mine has been awkwardsince I was a kid.
Interesting.
Lori (18:38):
That is such a cool story.
I like that.
Yeah, I like things that justmake you go.
Hmm.
If any of us were him and we sawthe car behind them, we saw the
car coming, you're like...
no.
April (18:51):
I'd be so confused.
Lori (18:52):
I would...
no.
April (18:54):
And I'd be like, am I a wizard?
Lori (18:55):
Yeah, exactly.
April (18:57):
Am I a wizard?
Nicole (18:58):
I love that you attribute all this movement to
yourself.
I moved to that car.
April (19:03):
I would be like, I predicted the Jeep.
I saw it behind me, but reallyit was in front of me the whole
time.
Yeah, I'm a wizard.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I would say.
Nicole (19:12):
There you go.
Lori (19:13):
I love it.
April (19:14):
Well, I guess we're going Side Eye.
Moving on, who's the next thenext story teller?
It is me.
Oh
Nicole (19:22):
Okay, so this happened in Detroit.
April (19:26):
Michigan!
Nicole (19:27):
Yeah
April (19:28):
I'm proud of myself for knowing that.
Nicole (19:29):
I'm proud of you, too.
April (19:31):
I'm bad at geography!
Nicole (19:32):
Okay.
Lori (19:33):
Yeah, I'm not.
I'm also not great.
Nicole (19:34):
I mean, I'm not great either.
I couldn't find Detroit,Michigan.
April (19:38):
I could point randomly on a map and maybe get it wrong.
Yeah.
Anyway, so in Detroit, this isearlier this year, Portia
Woodruff was getting her twodaughters ready for school when
six officers knocked on herdoor.
Step outside, you're underarrest for robbery and
carjacking, they commanded her.
Stunned, she looked down at hereight month pregnant belly,
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trying to grasp how anyone wouldsuspect her of such a crime.
Handcuffed to her doorstep,tears streamed down her face,
and then Portia had to leave hercrying children with her fiancé.
She was taken to the DetroitDetention Center, where the
nightmare continued.
For 11 agonizing hours, sheendured relentless questioning
about a crime she knew nothingabout, and her iPhone was seized
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as potential evidence.
She said, I was havingcontractions in the holding
cell.
Sharp pain shot through my backand spasms wracked my body.
I think I was probably having apanic attack.
She was unprepared for theharsh, cold reality of the
detention center's concretebenches.
Yeah, that would be souncomfortable for a pregnant
lady.
Eleven hours.
Eleven hours.
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Yeah.
And she's how many monthspregnant?
Nicole (20:46):
Eight.
Lori (20:46):
I cannot.
Nicole (20:48):
She was formally charged with robbery and carjacking.
And she was released on ahundred thousand dollar personal
bond.
She was rushed to the hospitalthen where doctors diagnosed her
with dehydration andadministered IV fluids.
A month later, right about thetime she's having her baby, the
charges were dropped, but thetrauma lingered.
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So this ordeal began with afacial recognition search gone
wrong.
Portia became the sixthindividual, all of them black,
and the first woman to befalsely accused due to this
technology.
April (21:22):
Oh my God.
Nicole (21:23):
The implications were clear and tell terrifying.
The technology has a pattern ofmisidentifying black
individuals.
A couple weeks before her arreston a Sunday night, a young man
reported a robbery at a localliquor store.
His story painted a grimpicture.
He had picked up a woman off thestreet earlier that day and
invited her into his car.
They drove to a nearby liquorstore parking lot where they
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shared drinks and engaged insex.
They continued to a gas stationspending more time together.
And then later, the woman askedto be dropped off at a location
about 10 minutes away from thegas station.
He drove to the spot and theywere met by a man who appeared
to be waiting for her.
As soon as he got out, the manpulled out a handgun and
threatened him.
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In a matter of moments, the manseized the victim's wallet and
phone and then both the womanand the strange man fled in this
guy's Chevy Malibu.
Days later, a man driving thestolen vehicle was apprehended.
And the woman actually returnedthe phone to the gas station.
So, surveillance footage wasfound.
So they prompted a detective torun a facial recognition search
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on the unknown woman.
And the system pointed toPortia, matching her to an old,
low quality mugshot from a minorincident in 2015, when she was
pulled over for driving with anexpired license.
And was arrested.
I don't know about you, but I'venever met a white person
arrested for driving with anexpired license.
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So now she's got a mugshot onfile.
Astonishingly, the authoritiesonly use this poor quality image
instead of her much clearer andmore recent driver's license
photo.
Rather than questioning Portiaor investigating further, they
took this outdated mugshot,which looks really different
from what she looks like rightnow.
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You know like mugshot worstnight of your life.
April (23:14):
I look different from 2015!
Nicole (23:18):
And in the driver's license photo she's wearing
makeup.
She's ready, you know, it'sdifferent.
So they use this mugshot in aphoto lineup and showed it to
the victim.
The victim identified her fromthe lineup.
Remember, she looks similarenough that this facial
recognition software picked herup.
Yeah.
And so she's the one that lookssimilar in this lineup.
This sets off the chain ofevents leading to her arrest.
April (23:39):
Did not did they not show her own photo for the person to
identify her?
Nicole (23:45):
They didn't show her driver's license photo.
It's this old mugshot photo.
April (23:47):
Exactly.
Nicole (23:48):
The same one that the thing identified, but instead of
asking her any questions orinvestigating they just showed
this guy and then six detectivesshow up at her house.
April (23:57):
Sorry, I was just wanting to clarify they showed the
witness?
Nicole (24:00):
The guy who got robbed.
So he identified her from thelineup.
And then they proceeded toarrest her.
This isn't an isolated incident.
This is the sixth person inDetroit that has been falsely
arrested because of this.
April (24:14):
That's, that's six too many.
Nicole (24:16):
Yes.
April (24:17):
Yeah.
Nicole (24:17):
As Portia grappled with the fallout of all of this, her
attorney emphasizes the broaderimplications.
Facial recognition should justbe an investigative tool.
If you get a hit, do your joband go further.
The technology's misuse hasalready led to multiple false
arrests, and Portia's caseunderscored the urgent need for
reform.
April (24:38):
Could they not tell that this person is eight months
pregnant versus a person who'srunning around like...
Nicole (24:46):
You're right, she's eight months pregnant living in
a suburb versus like a streetlady.
April (24:52):
I mean sometimes you can't see a pregnant belly.
Can you not tell that onsurveillance video that this
person is obviously not eightmonths pregnant?
Lori (25:02):
He was doing something with her before she got dropped
off.
Nicole (25:07):
They spent like the day together and they had sex.
So yes, I feel like there's agood chance.
Lori (25:11):
So wouldn't he know if she was pregnant?
April (25:15):
Eight months.
Lori (25:16):
Like eight months!
Nicole (25:17):
So actually...
Lori (25:18):
We're not talking four months or six months, even.
Nicole (25:20):
Portia commented that she feels lucky because her
advanced pregnancy likely playeda role in the eventual
realization she couldn't havedone it because the man did not
recall the woman being pregnant.
April (25:34):
Yeah.
Nicole (25:36):
Remember, they just did this mugshot off her face at
first.
April (25:38):
Yeah.
Nicole (25:39):
So for the rest of her pregnancy, Portia was plagued by
stress and fear because, youknow, one month of pregnancy,
she had to return to the policestation to retrieve her phone
and she had to attend two courthearings via Zoom.
Her neighbors saw her arrested,her kids and her daughters were
deeply affected and they nowtease her infant son.
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that he was in jail even beforehe was born.
April (26:02):
Yeah, my God.
Oh, no.
And the stigma for that.
Nicole (26:05):
Yeah.
So what do you guys think?
April (26:08):
It should just be used as an investigative tool.
I can see how it could be veryhelpful.
But I mean, AI, even if youpunch in anything into AI, it is
very good, but it is notinfallible.
Nicole (26:21):
Just the lack of investigation.
So you see this person's mugshotin a lineup.
The person that she looks likein the mugshot is somebody who's
like clearly just probably wentout to grab something was
driving her hairs pulled back.
She's got no makeup on.
She's looking unhappy becauseshe's in a mugshot.
Lori (26:40):
Yeah.
Nicole (26:40):
Versus the person in the driver's license photo
completely different.
Like I wouldn't recognize themas the same person except for
the eyebrows, maybe.
So he picks her out, but thesecops don't investigate.
They just send six people toimmediately arrest her.
April (26:54):
Yeah.
Nicole (26:54):
They have no idea of her background or her lifestyle.
April (26:57):
Honestly, as soon as she opened the door and she's eight
months pregnant, they shouldhave been like, Hmm.
Nicole (27:02):
Well, she did.
She's like, are you kidding me?
Lori (27:04):
Technology can be wonderful.
Yeah.
But it can also be extremelyharmful, you know?
Nicole (27:12):
Well, let's talk about how only black people are being
misidentified.
April (27:15):
Yeah.
That I don't like that.
Lori (27:16):
Yeah, I don't like that at all.
I think that's, that'scompletely unfair and unjust.
April (27:21):
That tells me that the AI has been fed a lot of other,
mostly white people's faces.
Nicole (27:28):
Yeah, me too.
Not, and it can't recognize
April (27:30):
Just like everything, just like everything is always
based on a white man.
Nicole (27:34):
Yeah.
April (27:34):
That's it.
Nicole (27:36):
Yeah, so some of these guys like it talks about some of
the other lawsuits and and onewho didn't even have a lawsuit,
But he had to spend thousands onlawyer fees proving his
innocence like the cost.
Your life disruption all of itand She is she's suing now.
Lori (27:53):
And so should the other five.
Nicole (27:55):
But the bottom line is, I think that, you know, they've
got this technology.
And like the lawyer said, it's atool for investigation.
So it points the finger at her.
April (28:02):
Check her alibi.
Nicole (28:03):
Question her.
Like, and I don't mean arresther and question her for 11
hours.
April (28:08):
Yeah.
Nicole (28:08):
I mean, just go to her house and question her.
Look at her lifestyle.
Watch her for a while.
24 hours of surveillance wouldshow her lifestyle.
April (28:15):
Look at everybody's ring camera that's on everybody's
door in the suburbs and see ifShe's even left her house.
Everybody now has cameras.
Everybody.
Dash cams.
There's cameras everywhere.
Nicole (28:26):
Pull up the other photo of her and say, let's show this
guy, you know.
April (28:30):
Even run that against the facial recognition.
Yeah, probably wouldn't work.
Nicole (28:34):
I agree.
Yeah, yeah.
So there were just all theseother options.
That's why I think the lawsuitis really deserved is because
yeah, there were a lot of otheroptions before they did this to
her.
Lori (28:43):
Questioning her for 11 hours.
That's ridiculous.
Clearly, she didn't do it.
April (28:49):
And the fact she had to go to the hospital after.
Nicole (28:51):
Yeah, that she spent 11 hours.
I don't know how long theyactually questioned her.
But they she spent 11 hoursthere.
April (28:56):
They decide to make you wait.
They decide when you're...
Lori (29:00):
It's a tactic.
April (29:00):
It is.
Lori (29:01):
It's a tactic because they they want you to crack.
April (29:03):
They had no regard for her advanced pregnancy status at
all.
She was dehydrated and needed
Nicole (29:09):
Two! Two IV bags.
April (29:11):
Yeah, that's, that's extreme.
Nicole (29:13):
And she also from the photos I've seen of her does not
look like someone you would pickup off the streets.
The way she presents the way shedresses herself, not that
person.
So I would assume as well theway she speaks the way she acts,
not that person.
April (29:27):
A lot of times police can be assholes to others,
especially if they are thatconvicted that that she did it.
Nicole (29:35):
Or they just want to get it done with.
April (29:37):
Yeah, I mean, what an easy tool to use.
Nicole (29:41):
Let's talk about the fact that she was pulled over
for driving with an expiredlicense and then arrested.
April (29:46):
I've had an expired license, didn't realize it.
I went to a traffic stop.
They're like, Oh, hey, yourlicense has been expired for
three months.
I was like, what?
Yeah.
Oh, my gosh.
Like people don't remember that.
It's not like their everydaylife.
Nicole (30:02):
That's not going to cause them to have you step out
of the car, search it, doanything.
April (30:07):
No.
Racial profiling all the way.
Yeah.
It's a terrible situation thatpeople have to still deal with
that.
I cannot I cannot condone thatat all like the racial
profiling.
Isn't that everybody's innocentuntil proven guilty?
That's not the case in thosesituations.
Nicole (30:27):
No, she's treated as she's guilty.
April (30:29):
It's so sad, my partner, he says as a joke, but it is
something that he trulybelieves.
He said the best thing I canpass on to my children is that
they will be half white.
Because he's Asian.
Yeah.
And that's what he always says.
That's the best thing.
And he says it as a joke, butit's serious to him.
Nicole (30:47):
But we've heard stories about how like he and his
friends go places and their IDand they're heavily checked.
And you and I walk in andnothing happens, you know?
April (30:55):
Yeah.
And even during the pandemictimes, people were very racist
against our area against Asiancommunity.
And to the point where one ofour friends fathers was verbally
abused in a store...
Nicole (31:11):
...for apparently starting COVID...
April (31:12):
by a security guard.
It's terrible out there forother people.
I feel so fortunate, but also Ifeel so terrible that I can
literally not understand fullywhat other people have to go
through.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know, I wish I could fixit.
You know, I wish I could stopthat from happening.
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And, you know, there have beentimes when I've said a joke when
I shouldn't or laughed atsomething I shouldn't, cause I
felt awkward.
And I've just decided that I'mnot doing that anymore.
Yeah.
Nicole (31:45):
Yeah.
April (31:45):
You got to be part of the solution and not not part of the
problem.
Yeah, exactly.
Nicole (31:50):
Okay, so let's talk about Sus level.
April (31:54):
I want to put it at What the Sus!?!?
There's multiple lives involvedhere.
Lori (31:59):
And even future lives.
We're not just talking aboutthis one story really we're
talking about this as as a wholeThere's already five women that
this technology has...
April (32:10):
Five people.
Nicole (32:11):
Six people.
Only black people and she's thefirst woman.
Lori (32:14):
Either way, this technology needs some work.
Nicole (32:18):
It needs that human aspect.
Lori (32:20):
It does.
April (32:21):
Honestly, why are you using it?
If it's getting it wrong thatoften?
Yeah.
Nicole (32:25):
They said they do about 150 a year.
So I don't know how many theyget wrong.
I think it's a good startingpoint for investigation.
Like it points a finger at aperson and you could be like,
okay, let's watch this person.
Let's talk to them politely intheir living room.
Yeah.
Lori (32:40):
And like, you know, where they were when the crime took
place first.
Yeah.
April (32:46):
Real police work here.
Nicole (32:47):
Yes!
Lori (32:48):
Do the do the leg work.
And then if this person clearlyisn't the person, then you move
on to the next.
April (32:55):
Yeah.
Nicole (32:56):
Because honestly, I bet any real detective worth their
salt would knock on her door,walk into her living room, have
a conversation with her, see herfamily, find out about their
income level, and be like, she'snot the person.
She's not the one who's walkingthe streets.
Lori (33:12):
Stealing somebody's Chevy Malibu.
Right?
Nicole (33:14):
Yeah.
Yeah.
She has no associations withthis guy.
April (33:17):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not infallible.
AI is not infallible.
Nicole (33:21):
No.
You're right.
These guys are taking shortcuts.
And when it comes to systematicracism, absolutely What the
Sus!?
Lori (33:27):
What the Sus!?
for sure.
Because it's just, it'sunacceptable.
April (33:30):
Yeah, What the Sus!?
What the Sus!?
There we go.
Lori (33:34):
Third story of our day.
Yes.
So this is from the subredditr/trueoffmychest.
And this was just from five daysago.
So it's a newbie.
My boyfriend and I, both 29,have been together for two years
now.
Before that, we were bothmarried and got cheated on by
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our spouses.
We were introduced to each otherthrough mutual friends and
thought we would get along sincewe went through the same thing.
I have told everyone that usmeeting that night, that was the
greatest blessing because hecame into my life at a very dark
point.
In the past two years, we movedto a new town, started new jobs,
and bought a house.
I travel for work and he works90 hours a week.
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So we both have no desire tohave kids.
I have a brother, 31 male, whohas been with a woman since
2020.
They were supposed to getmarried, but called it off in
2022.
Since then, they have been onoff together and really don't
have a great relationship.
That was until November when hisgirlfriend found out that she
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was pregnant and they decided toget serious.
They bought a house and havebeen going to couples therapy.
Their relationship seems to beworking out now since they've
had their baby.
They decided to host a 4th ofJuly party at their house.
I attended with my boyfriend.
I spent most of the nighthelping with cooking and helping
with my brother's girlfriend setup and watching my niece.
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Like every 4th of July party,there's people getting way too
drunk and starting to act up.
Once mostly everyone had left,my boyfriend and me, my brother
and his girlfriend, and a couplefriends were sitting by the fire
and having a few drinks.
My boyfriend had a few too manydrinks and was starting to act
drunk.
He started telling randomstories and after a few random
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stories, he says brother'sgirlfriend's name.
Remember when we used to hook uplast year?
April (35:29):
What?
Nicole (35:30):
What?
What?
April (35:32):
So that baby's his.
Nicole (35:33):
This is not what I was thinking it was going at all.
April (35:35):
I thought he and the brother were going to be a
couple.
Nicole (35:38):
No, I thought he was going to be like, I wish we had
a baby.
April (35:42):
No, I thought him and the brother were hooking up.
Nicole (35:44):
Oh my gosh.
Lori (35:45):
The story could have had so many endings.
Nicole (35:47):
Right?
Oh my gosh.
April (35:50):
And other timelines maybe.
Lori (35:51):
My brother's girlfriend looks at him in shock.
Then starts apologizing to me.
I just sat there in silencebefore leaving.
Immediately after, I got textsfrom his girlfriend, my
boyfriend, and brother, alltrying to fix things, and saying
April (36:08):
Do they all know?
Nicole (36:09):
They all knew?
Including the brother?
April (36:11):
What the fuck?
Nicole (36:11):
Isn't the brother with the girlfriend?
April (36:13):
What?
Lori (36:13):
I know.
So yes.
So each, all three of them, thegirlfriend her boyfriend and the
brother, all trying to fixthings, saying he didn't mean to
tell me.
Nicole (36:27):
Well, but that doesn't actually fix it.
That doesn't change whathappened.
April (36:31):
Oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to tell you thatlike, life altering...
Nicole (36:34):
Can you just forget it now?
April (36:35):
Yeah.
Lori (36:36):
His girlfriend texts me the story and says that they
hooked up for a couple of monthswhile I was working in another
state.
April (36:44):
Oh, it's okay then.
You know what?
Nicole (36:46):
So they were in a committed relationship, but
these guys were hooking up.
April (36:49):
No, but it's okay.
It's all good.
That's okay.
You know, that's normal.
Lori (36:52):
I haven't replied to anyone's texts.
No.
Just spent the morning packingall my stuff from the house and
leaving with my car and thetruck I bought for him.
I already feel so much happierknowing what he did to me.
And now that he's gone.
April (37:09):
And now also, I'm so glad you're down a brother.
Like what?
Nicole (37:14):
So I just want to figure this out.
Yeah.
The brother, it's his girlfriendthat's pregnant.
It's her brother.
April (37:20):
No the neice is...
Nicole (37:20):
That's his girlfriend.
April (37:21):
The niece is here.
Nicole (37:23):
And so his girlfriend that's pregnant, possibly with
his baby.
The brother knew that hisgirlfriend was hooking up with
her boyfriend.
April (37:31):
Yeah.
Nicole (37:32):
He knew the whole time.
But then I guess they were onagain off again.
Lori (37:35):
That's right.
So maybe it was during a timewhen they were broken up.
But the brother knows becausethe brother was texting.
Nicole (37:43):
Yeah.
Lori (37:44):
Trying to...
April (37:45):
make it right.
Lori (37:46):
Make it right.
Nicole (37:46):
But now There's some paternity questions too.
Okay.
April (37:50):
Holy shit.
Nicole (37:51):
Is there more to this story?
Lori (37:53):
So there's no update.
Nicole (37:55):
Ah, how could you do that to us?
Lori (37:56):
I know, I know.
I'm so sorry.
Nicole (37:58):
I don't think she's even dealt with the possible
paternity question.
April (38:03):
That is definitely in the comments.
Yes.
She is definitely being toldthat.
That's so terrible!
Lori (38:10):
Yeah, so what do we think first before I read some
comments?
Nicole (38:14):
Glad she took the truck too.
Because all these women end upgetting screwed over and like
losing half, losing the moneythey put into the house, like an
on a previous episode.
Lori (38:25):
Yeah.
Nicole (38:26):
Glad they have no kids.
April (38:27):
If I found out that my sibling has a child who I think
is my niece, but has possiblybeen my partner's child the
whole time.
Lori (38:36):
She found out she was pregnant in November and she's
had the baby.
So I guess she was pregnant fora little while before November.
Nicole (38:42):
Yeah, while this woman was gone.
And so they all know because hemight be co parenting or
something at this point, younever know.
He might be Helping themfinancially.
You don't know!
April (38:52):
The brothers just like yeah, that's that's probably my
kid.
I think like level of Delulu.
Those three people isastronomical.
Nicole (39:03):
They didn't mean to tell you.
We're sorry.
April (39:06):
Sorry, I wasn't supposed to say that out loud.
Like, it's not like it's afucking surprise party.
Nicole (39:13):
Well, more than that, like, usually that's your
deepest, darkest secret.
You don't just blurt out like,Hey, remember what we used to
hook up last year?
April (39:19):
That was definitely guilt, guilt all the way.
Nicole (39:21):
Oh, you think so?
April (39:22):
Oh, for sure.
Nicole (39:23):
Interesting.
April (39:23):
Self-sabotage.
Absolutely.
Lori (39:25):
Yeah.
Or maybe like the universe isspeaking through their drunk
self.
April (39:29):
I think it is guilt.
A thing like that has to beeating that person alive.
I mean, especially that baby'slike right there.
Lori (39:36):
That's right.
April (39:37):
Like that could possibly be my kid.
Imagine every single time OP isoh, my baby niece.
I talk about my nieces all thetime.
Yeah, and that every time.
Yeah.
He's probably like, that couldbe my kid.
That could be my kid.
It could be.
Nicole (39:51):
Or just when it's mentioned, that shot of guilt.
That shot of guilt or that shotof guilt.
Yeah.
April (39:55):
Or like every single time that could be my kid.
Like just that flash.
You can think that in a second.
Yeah.
Okay, let's hear some comments.
Lori (40:01):
First comment,"I'm sorry, that's so fucked, especially
that even your brother didn'ttell you." Yeah.
Yeah.
"Have you talked to anyonesince?" Solid question.
I can't believe all three ofthem were able to keep this a
secret.""This is actuallyinsane.
I would never speak to thesepeople again.
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They set you up for a lifetimeof trust issues." And then
somebody says,"I woulddefinitely be mourning the loss
of my sibling because I don'tsee any outcome here in which
they wouldn't be dead to me."
April (40:33):
Yeah.
Nicole (40:33):
That's a tough one.
Like I just know I would be sobetrayed.
April (40:37):
It would take a lot of years of like family therapy.
Nicole (40:40):
Starting with him.
He can do a lot of familytherapy.
Yes.
And then when he comes back withthe right apology that shows he
knows how badly he's done.
Yeah.
Then maybe I'll start thetherapy.
April (40:50):
And you just know that in this world, the grandparents
would be like, not on thisperson's side because it's
reddit.
And they'd be like, Your brotherdidn't mean to."
Nicole (41:01):
Oh my gosh, he didn't mean to.
April (41:03):
If I had a kid that did that and then to my other kid
I'd be like, somebody's gettingcut off and it is not OP.
Nicole (41:10):
That's a tough one because if you're the parents
you still want to see yourgrandkid.
April (41:14):
Is it your grandkid?
Nicole (41:16):
Well, you don't know he's raising it like a grandkid
so...
April (41:19):
they've just decided to do this weird thruple thing and
not tell OP.
Lori (41:23):
There was a good comment, "They let it slip so easily and
murderers can keep a secretbetter than these people could."
Nicole (41:31):
That's true.
And it wasn't just them.
They said they were havingdrinks with a few people.
So this came out in front ofothers.
April (41:38):
Do you remember when we used to hook up to that last
year?
Yeah.
Remember that movie we watched?
Oh shit.
Nicole (41:44):
Yeah.
Like just blew up their entirefriend group.
April (41:47):
I gotta be honest.
So if I was in that situation,that would definitely be how
other people would find out.
I would definitely be thatstupid idiot that would say it
accidentally.
And so would you.
Nicole (41:58):
I absolutely would.
I wouldn't I wouldn't even meanto I wouldn't have known that
I'd said it until later.
I've revealed birthdays,surprises, without even
realizing I've done it untilsomeone was like, what?
I would.
April (42:11):
You know, in that birthday chat for this person
about the end, I know, they'replanning a pirate birthday for
me, like a pirate themedbirthday for me.
In the pirate birthday chat forApril, where we talked about
blah, blah, blah.
And then the person who she wastalking to, it was you, I said
it to you.
Oh, there was three of us there.
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Oh, the other person's eyes werelike super wide and was like,
Don't do that.
Don't say anymore.
Yeah.
And then I just was like in thewhat?
In the who?
In the what?
Nicole (42:42):
And I was like, shit! Shit! In the what birthday chat?
And yeah, it was so good.
And that is the only time.
That is not the only time.
And that is also It's not theonly time.
Like I actually cannot I can'tknow them.
Oh, man, this one time.
So I was dating this guy andthis guy's uncle had two
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girlfriends.
April (43:04):
One was a long term girlfriend, and they were kind
of on and off.
And he was also on and off withthis other girl, but they knew
about each other.
Nicole (43:11):
Sometimes they overlapped.
April (43:13):
Yes, definitely.
He did not commit to either ofthem.
And he was very clear that hewas not committing to either of
them.
Wow.
But they would both get upsetabout the other person.
And so I had just recently beenintroduced, forgot who people
were because they both hadblonde hair.
And I met one.
Oh, And they both felt like theywere, I don't know, the most
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important, you know?
Nicole (43:35):
Of course.
April (43:36):
And so when I met them, I was like, Oh, right, I think I
met you the other day.
And my boyfriend and the uncleare behind and they were like,
don't say any more.
And I was like, Huh, no.
Cool.
Cool.
Don't you maybe your hair wasstyled differently.
Did I not meet you?
And then I was like, you knowwhat?
I have just met a lot of peoplein in my boyfriend's family
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lately.
Yeah, and maybe it was someoneelse.
I don't know.
Nicole (44:04):
You're just digging yourself...
April (44:05):
Anyway, I gotta go to the bathroom! Bye! I just left and I
was like, I am so sorry.
Nicole (44:10):
Digging a hole deeper.
April (44:12):
I didn't irreparably damage anything.
Nicole (44:14):
These two women were obviously willing to live with
the situation because neither ofthem left him.
April (44:18):
They were so unhappy.
Nicole (44:19):
They could be angry all they want but it's not like it's
news to them.
April (44:23):
Exactly.
But it was just like oops So,yeah, I would be I would be that
person too that wouldaccidentally out it.
Lori (44:29):
Accidentally though.
April (44:30):
Oh yeah.
Accidentally.
I think this person probably didit accidentally as well.
Lori (44:34):
I mean, alcohol makes you do strange things.
Where are we landing on SusMeter for this story?
April (44:42):
I think it's pretty sketchy.
I would say pretty sketchy.
Because it was last year whenthey were hooking up.
And they were never gonna tellOP and all three of them knew.
And that's like such a level ofbetrayal.
That's insane.
Nicole (44:56):
I would put it sketchy to Major Sus for that and the
fact that this little girl isgonna be screwed up.
Lori (45:03):
Yes, that's, I think that's the kicker for me.
I think that's where hits theminor side of the Majorly Sus I
find, because there's a babyinvolved.
And because they were hooking uplast year, she found out she was
pregnant in November of lastyear, and it's July, and And
she's had the baby already.
April (45:23):
I guess I was hoping that they would figure that shit out
now.
Nicole (45:28):
Well, maybe they have, and they just weren't telling
either.
She said, he didn't want kids,but maybe at some point he's
going to feel responsible tofind out, or he's going to want
to find out.
April (45:36):
This is the time to figure that shit out now.
There's no reason to not do itother than if you decide, no,
the brother is the dad, andwe're never going to find out
and decide to do that, which Ialso don't think is a correct
thing.
Nicole (45:51):
Which is really sad, because if her ex is her niece's
father, he'll never becompletely out of her life.
April (46:00):
I think that they should know for sure.
And then make that decision.
Are you in?
Are you going to be the fatheror is the brother?
Nicole (46:08):
Yeah.
April (46:09):
And if the brother is then you just fish officially
sign over rights.
Nicole (46:13):
It's never that simple, though.
And we know that because at somepoint, this guy might change his
mind, or these two might breakup.
And then they don't comethrough.
April (46:21):
Yeah, I guess it's more like you officially adopt you
officially go through theofficial channels and you do it
as an adult way as possible.
Lori (46:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
April (46:30):
Because if the official father decides I don't want kids
and I don't want to do this,then you do have the right
signed over and or like therights.
You can give that the rightswaived.
Nicole (46:42):
Yeah, that child up for adoption.
April (46:44):
Yeah, and the other person can officially adopt
after that happens.
I just think it would just bebetter to have that piece of
paper.
Just like whenever you'resplitting up from somebody, it
is way better even if you'recordial, even if you're,
communicating well, when youbreak up, and you have kids.
Always go and get an agreement,a separation agreement, a
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custody agreement, whatever youguys officially decide on.
And get it on paper.
Because when shit happens, thenwhat you fall back on is that
piece of paper.
And you may never need to useit, and you don't have to go by
that, but then you can.
So if he is.
I think they should get thatfigured out.
Lori (47:23):
They need to get it figured out because it's just
too, it's too scandalous to notknow the truth in that
situation.
Cause I was like you guys, whenI was reading the story, like I
thought, maybe the brother andthe boyfriend.
I did not see it going thatroute.
I am very curious to know whatour viewers think of this story.
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I do hope that there's an updatesoon because there are thousands
of comments.
April (47:53):
Yeah.
I just feel bad that likeliterally at this moment, OP is
dealing with such upheaval inher life and I feel terrible for
her for that.
And right now they all three ofthem all four of them are
figuring out what to do fromhere.
I hope they make the rightdecisions going forward.
Let's just send positiveenergies, whatever you want to
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do to them for the right path to
Lori (48:16):
OP and the kid.
Yes.
Nicole (48:18):
The child.
Yeah.
Lori (48:18):
Like those, those two are the ones that like we are
sending all of the good
April (48:23):
Make the right decisions.
Lori (48:24):
Vibes.
April (48:25):
Make the right decision for the kid.
Lori (48:27):
Yes.
Make the right decisions.
Yeah.
The hard decision, please.
Well, I think that brings us tothe end of this episode.
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You can find us basicallyeverywhere.
We're everywhere.
We're everywhere.
And nowhere at the same time.
Nicole (48:48):
That's very sus.
Lori (48:51):
You're welcome.
April (48:52):
Yes.
Set us up there real good.
Anyway, until next time, becurious.
Nicole (48:59):
Seek the truth.
Lori (48:59):
But stay suspicious.
All right, hey suspects, welcome back to This Is Sus
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podcast where we dive into thesuspicious stories from near and
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Nearish.
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Well buckle up.
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otter.
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Nicole (00:21):
Icebreakers gotta do icebreakers icebreakers
icebreakers.
Okay.
Lori (00:24):
Wait, we haven't introduced ourselves.
April (00:27):
Oh, I'm April.
Lori (00:29):
I'm Lori.
Nicole (00:30):
And I'm Nicole.
April (00:31):
But you know that already, right?
If you don't, now you do.
Lori (00:36):
April.
Yes.
If you were a ghost, how wouldyou haunt people?
April (00:42):
Oh, Okay, I know Lori answered this one another week
ago.
And honestly, because I troll inreal life, I would also do the
same thing.
But you were too nice in yourtrolling.
Nicole (00:54):
You were so excited.
You were like, when I think ofhaunting, I think of something
sinister.
And you're like, Oh, oh, I'dmove things.
April (01:03):
I'll put their keys in the fridge.
If you want to see all of heranswers, go back a few videos
and you'll see.
So let's say I'm dead and Nicoleis alive.
I would.
I would definitely haunt you.
Nicole (01:18):
Just for the sheer humor of it.
April (01:21):
But I would also, if somebody was being mean to you I
would just put stuff in the wayto make them look a fool.
Like they would trip and fall orthey would, stub their toe.
Yeah.
Oh, what are the worst things?
Like always a warm toilet seat.
Oh yeah.
Like you don't know what it is.
Why is it warm?
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Warm side of the pillow all thetime.
Like you always flip it just,you know, stuff like that.
Ooh, no toilet paper.
You know how people say ghostscan make you feel the chills?
Yeah.
Let's say on a really cold day,they really want to warm up.
You can tell they're chilly.
I'll just hover around them allday.
So they're all chilly and theycan't get it.
Nicole (02:01):
Oh, I want you to haunt me and be my personal air
conditioner.
April (02:04):
Of course I would.
Yes, of course.
Yes.
I would be helpful to you.
I already know your heart.
Life is hard enough.
Instead of moving your keysaway, I would put them where you
could see them.
And then you probably still missthem.
I would try I would try I wouldhaunt you in a good way and I'd
haunt others in a bad way fornot being nice to you.
Nicole (02:23):
So now, you know, be nice to me because anybody
you're going to have to contendwith April.
Because I feel like ghosts don'tknow, like, they don't have time
restraints.
So I could be in many places allat the same time in my mind.
So I could be around everyone.
And, you know, on times,obviously, I would be trolling
you as well.
You're mine to troll, notothers.
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Right.
April (02:47):
I get to troll you and get the glee out of doing that,
not other people.
Nicole (02:51):
That's true.
I would not want to deprive youof your glee.
April (02:53):
Exactly.
So that's my answer.
Nicole (02:55):
Awesome.
Awesome.
My face actually hurts fromsmiling so hard.
Lori (02:59):
I love it.
That's so good.
That's so good.
April (03:01):
So who's next?
Nicole (03:02):
Lori, how many countries have you visited outside of your
own?
April (03:08):
22.
I don't think that's right.
Lori (03:10):
No, but that's my favorite number.
April (03:11):
You're welcome.
Thank you.
She has not visited 22, but shewould like to.
I would.
Nicole (03:16):
Having a moment now.
April (03:19):
And no more than 22.
Lori (03:20):
No, no.
22 is enough.
Nicole (03:22):
Sorry, babe.
We're done traveling.
I've seen it all.
April (03:25):
I've seen my 22.
Lori (03:28):
Okay.
So countries, I think reallyonly three.
But I visited them many manytimes.
Nicole (03:37):
Oh, really?
I've been to Mexico now eighttimes, but different areas of
Mexico, and America like theUnited States I've been there
many times.
And then I've been, like, allacross Canada.
That's it.
I guess I've kind of stayed onthe, the continent, if you will.
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Like I've never been to Jamaica.
I'd love to go to Jamaica.
I'd love to go to Turks and isthat where the Maldives are?
Is that the same thing?
April (04:06):
I have no idea.
I'm bad at geography.
Lori (04:08):
Really want to go to the Maldives.
I, I think it's called Maldives,Maldives.
Yeah, because they have thosehuts that are like right on top
of the water.
April (04:17):
I've definitely been to a divy mall.
Nicole (04:18):
What?
But I think that's it.
Nothing.
Nothing.
Too crazy.
Although crazy things happen inthese few countries I've been
to.
Also, when you go on a trip withlike just one of your one of
your girlfriends.
Oh, yeah, wild wild thingshappen.
April (04:39):
Now it's my turn.
Lori (04:40):
Yes.
April (04:41):
I ask Nicole.
Lori (04:42):
Yes.
April (04:43):
If you could be any inanimate object for a day, what
would you be and why?
Nicole (04:47):
Inanimate object.
April (04:49):
Yes.
Nicole (04:49):
For a day.
I mean, that's a weird question.
Okay, I want to be somethingrelaxing, but I want to be able
to relax, not be relaxed on.
So that takes out like beds andeasy chairs.
April (05:01):
You do like hugs.
Nicole (05:02):
A lamp.
I'd like to be a lamp.
I'll just hang out all day.
April (05:06):
Okay...
Lori (05:07):
And people could turn you on and off.
Nicole (05:08):
Oh, that's true.
April (05:09):
I think it's really funny that you want to be a lamp,
because they're like your mortalenemies.
Lori (05:15):
Because she wants to be in control of her electricity.
Nicole (05:18):
I wanna be a hanging lamp from the ceiling.
I just chill.
April (05:22):
Yeah.
Suspended?
Nicole (05:24):
A glittery one.
Yeah.
Okay.
Lori (05:26):
I'll never look at a hanging lamp the same.
April (05:28):
I'll be like, that could be Nicole.
Nicole (05:31):
Do you remember those people we watched on that video
who truly believed she was anact?
April (05:35):
She was a couch or something.
Nicole (05:37):
She would like sit there like this.
And she's like, I'm a couch.
April (05:40):
The partner was fully on board supportive and pretended
that she was a couch.
Nicole (05:45):
It was just crazy.
Lori (05:48):
So you could sit on her?
April (05:48):
Sit on her.
That's a couch.
That's a chair.
Sometimes they were a table.
Nicole (05:52):
She'd spend hours in this position.
April (05:54):
And then she would just walk around like she was a piece
of furniture.
It was on the BBC.
Nicole (05:59):
I thought it was a troll video.
But no, no, it was real.
April (06:02):
It was real.
Lori (06:03):
Humans are fascinating.
Yeah, the brain is weird.
Yeah, it's a weird, weird thing.
April (06:10):
Anyway, I am storyteller number one.
And I have a glitch in thematrix story.
Okay.
I experienced a glitch in theMatrix a few years ago and
here's my story.
That's what OP says.
This is on literally the Redditboard, Glitch in the Matrix.
I was driving down a road in theevening, and the sun had mostly
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set, but it wasn't completelydark yet.
Behind me, there was a verydistinct Jeep, green, with a
unique paint job, with green LEDlights.
We were on a rural highway.
There was no turn offs duringthe stretch of road, and the car
had been behind me for severalminutes.
On the radio, it was some Blink182 song.
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I was in a cover band at thetime, and this was one of the
songs that we had in our setlist.
I was driving back from apractice and I was trying to
work through something in thatsong.
So I knew it pretty immediately.
And here's where I noticed aglitch.
I experienced this sensationtwice in my life, and this is
one of them.
The best I can describe it is,if someone hypothetically
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grabbed the bottom of yourspine, cracks it like a whip,
and the sensation travels upyour spine to culminate in a pop
right in the base of the skull,the top of the spine.
After the pop, my ears wereringing faintly, and I could
hear other noises for a solid 30seconds.
The pop occurred during theinstrumental breakdown of the
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song.
After the pop, I noticed anextra measure in the instrument
instrumental breakdown.
I don't know exactly what thatmeans.
Nicole (07:43):
Basically, there's a few extra bars of music.
April (07:45):
Oh, okay.
Nicole (07:47):
Like four beats.
April (07:48):
He actually says an extra four beats.
Nicole (07:50):
It's like a song you know, off by heart, and then all
of a sudden, there's this extrapiece in it.
April (07:53):
Okay, interesting.
This is a song we had rehearsedhundreds of times, there was no
way I was simply counting thebeat wrong, because I knew the
song really well.
I looked up in my rearviewmirror, and the Jeep was no
longer behind me.
This is a rural highway, nowherewhere they could have turned
off.
Weird, I thought, maybe theyjust pulled over and I didn't
notice.
Well, not 15 seconds later, Inoticed oncoming headlights
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coming up around the bend in theroad, and wouldn't you know it?
A green LED Jeep withheadlights.
Nicole (08:22):
What?
April (08:22):
The car passes and sure enough, yeah, it is that Jeep
and it has that very distinctpaint job.
Nicole (08:27):
Right.
April (08:28):
There's no way that the car could have gone from behind
me into the oncoming lane inthat span of time from around
the corner.
Anyway, I did not really knowwhat to make of it at the time.
Nicole (08:38):
That is so interesting.
Lori (08:39):
Oh I love stories like this
April (08:42):
So to run it down.
Basically, he's driving a songhe knows is on.
He suddenly like he looks in hisrear view mirror.
Okay, there's a Jeep there.
It has green headlights, andit's got an interesting paint
job.
Then suddenly he hears this pop,extra four beats of the song
that he's really used to.
And the Jeep isn't there.
He's like, What?
Where did it go?
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And then the Jeep comes aroundthe corner in the opposite
direction.
Yeah.
Lori (09:06):
I wonder if that's more of like, a timeline shift.
April (09:10):
Or something.
Lori (09:11):
Have you heard of a timeline shift before?
Nicole (09:13):
No, but I guess I kind of get the gist.
Lori (09:16):
So a lot of people say that there's a lot of different
timelines happening at the sametime.
April (09:21):
A lot of people think that they're just right on top
of one another.
You can sometimes go from thisone to that one.
Nicole (09:27):
I guess I thought that's what a glitch in the matrix is.
Lori (09:30):
Everybody's kind of living in their own matrix, you know?
April (09:33):
Yes.
Lori (09:33):
I think that sometimes, really weird things can happen.
They say that you vibrate at acertain level and sometimes you
can vibrate higher and then yourlife can sort of change.
And I wonder if that four extrabeats was actually like the
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song, he's listening to it in adifferent timeline.
Like maybe the timeline shiftedin that moment?
I don't know.
That's so weird.
I want to know what you think ofthis, Nicole.
Nicole (10:07):
So if I were with him, I would ask two questions.
One, does that song always havethat extra four beats Or was it
like he skipped back in time andthere was an extra four beats in
the song kind of thing.
And two, has he ever driven overthere again?
Like personally me, I'd bedriving back and forth over that
space just to see what goes on.
That's totally what I'm thinkingand what I want to know.
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The whole feeling like up hisback and stuff is really weird.
So, and into his spine and hisneck is really weird.
So I'm either going with glitchin the matrix or some sort of
minor brain aneurysm wherethings just really shifted in
his brain for a second there.
Lori (10:46):
What do you think, April?
April (10:48):
I don't know.
I think definitely there aretimes when you feel like you
have deja vu or like, how wouldhe know about the Jeep and the
color of it and everything thatis coming around the corner and
that's the Jeep that was behindhim.
That would just be like What?
So I don't know.
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I believe some of these glitchin the matrix stories.
I don't believe somebody justmakes this up.
It's just super weird.
Nicole (11:17):
I agree.
I think there's just a lot ofunexplained things out there.
Like I don't necessarily believein a multiverse, only because it
was kind of invented by comicsand science just sort of is
like, it doesn't really work outmathematically or with physics.
But there's just so much, likethere's clearly a spiritual
realm, other realms that wedon't necessarily see.
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And so, weird things happen.
Like, why did this happen?
What happened?
It is really interesting.
You know what I mean?
Lori (11:47):
Yeah,
Nicole (11:47):
Like, I just that's why I'm so curious.
Like, sometimes I wish I couldtalk to people in person and be
like, tell me about thisexperience.
I know you described it here.
But like, the next time youheard that song, were those
extra four beats there?
Are they always there for younow?
Did you talk to your bandmates?
Like, I want to hear what theythink, you know?
And so that that would just besuch a cool conversation.
April (12:07):
I don't know what you mean by the quantum realm,
sorry, what do you mean by that?
Nicole (12:12):
The whole layered multiverses about you make a
choice and it makes a newmultiverse type thing.
Like literally we make all sortsof choices in a second.
So the millions and billions andbazillions of multiverses
scientifically, I just don'tthink that's a real thing.
April (12:28):
I think they have been able to prove something about
the quantum realm.
I don't exactly know exactlywhat we don't have to look into
it.
Nicole (12:35):
Yeah.
April (12:35):
But like through mathematical equations, they can
mathematically prove the quantumrealm, apparently.
Nicole (12:42):
I sort of disagree, I think maybe we're thinking of
what they're provingdifferently.
April (12:46):
Yeah.
Nicole (12:46):
Which is okay.
Like, the truth is, I think weboth still agree that there's
stuff that we don't understand.
Lori (12:51):
There's definitely things that are extremely hard to be
explained.
Nicole (12:56):
Absolutely.
Yes.
Unless you're a completelyclosed minded person, I don't
think you can say like, no, thiscannot be real, you know?
Lori (13:05):
Yeah.
Nicole (13:05):
But at the same time, he experienced this weird
sensation.
I do think it's possible like Isaid, it's a glitch in the
matrix.
Or, he had some sort of weirdbrain fart, makes it all seem
like he was, this car was behindhim and before him and stuff
like that.
Because he felt somethingphysical in his spine too.
So I'm wondering if somethingjust like popped there.
With my mom with dementia, herreality changes all the time.
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And so, you know, like a 30second episode of this to me is
possible too.
April (13:33):
So somebody asks him, so what was the second time you
experienced?
And if you can recall anythingelse did a glitch at that time.
And he says, The second time wasroughly two to three weeks ago.
It wasn't really remarkable.
I was sitting in my office desk.
The only thing I've noticedsince then is the Sinead
O'Connor death.
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I very much remember eulogiesand tributes a few years ago,
and I even remember them showingher ripping the picture of the
Pope up on SNL.
I very much remember her passingtwo or three years ago.
So it's a definite Mandelaeffect.
Since that time, I believe thisone is still unfolding, maybe.
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And somebody else says, I swear,I remember that she died as
well.
And I was like, Wait, I thoughtshe died a few years ago.
I just assumed that I had herconfused as someone else.
But it's weird that other peopleother here are saying I also
thought they died.
Sinead O'Connor.
Lori (14:31):
I remember her dying.
Is she not dead?
Nicole (14:36):
No, she's alive.
Weird, is she alive?
Did she just recently die?
April (14:40):
I think so.
Lori (14:41):
I'm pretty sure it was like a few years ago that I
heard that she died.
Nicole (14:45):
I don't know, I remember seeing her on TV a few years
ago.
April (14:48):
Yeah, July 2023 is when she died.
Nicole (14:50):
Oh, wow.
Lori (14:51):
No!
April (14:51):
Yeah.
Lori (14:52):
That is a bold faced lie.
April (14:54):
She apparently died July 26 of 2023.
When did Sinead O'Connor die?
Lori (15:01):
Comment and tell us when you remember hearing that she
died.
I want to say it was at leastlike three or four years ago.
At least.
Because this was, how long agowas this?
April (15:12):
A year ago.
Lori (15:13):
So a year ago, and they're saying it was a few years ago.
Nicole (15:16):
And she believes she died a while ago.
April (15:17):
They said, I very much remember eulogies and tributes a
few years ago.
Lori (15:21):
Yes!
April (15:22):
She passed away officially, actually, in this
timeline, we'll call it, a yearago.
And then this person says two orthree years ago she passed away.
Lori (15:30):
I want to say in my timeline, I want to say it was
four years ago.
April (15:36):
So which would line up with this other person's
timeline.
Nicole (15:39):
I'll be honest, I thought she was dead for a long
time.
And then like I said, a fewyears ago, she showed up on TV
and I'm like, Oh, she's stillaround.
I guess I must have misheard,but I don't pay attention
enough.
And I don't really have a goodmemory of time.
So I would not be the rightwitness of that.
Lori (15:53):
I definitely have time blindness.
Nicole (15:55):
Yeah, me too.
Like she's been alive for anebulous amount of years.
And I just found out now she'sgone.
And my hope she's in a betterplace.
That's all.
Lori (16:05):
Yeah.
April (16:06):
So what do you guys think?
Sus Meter wise.
Nicole (16:10):
I mean, I don't think he's suspicious.
I think he's being pretty realabout his experience.
It appears to me.
April (16:17):
Yeah.
I think the whole glitch in thematrix thing is kind of, I don't
know, I give side eye to that.
Nicole (16:22):
I give that some side eye.
I mean, there's definitely someunexplained things here that we
don't understand.
April (16:28):
Yeah.
Nicole (16:28):
The whole car coming around the corner would blow my
mind.
Lori (16:32):
I don't know.
Yeah, I, I think side eye is agood one for that one because we
just have so many morequestions.
I want to talk to this person.
Like I want this OP to see ourpodcast and then like you
comment and tell us more like Ijust want to know.
Nicole (16:51):
All those questions that we have.
Lori (16:52):
Is that song still have those four extra bars or was it
only that one time?
Nicole (16:56):
Or do you only remember it with the four less bars but
all your band buddies rememberwith four extra ones?
April (17:03):
Oh, somebody asks him, are the four extra beats still
there?
Maybe you've switched timelines.
No, the extra four beats was aone time thing.
Nicole (17:11):
There we go.
April (17:11):
It's not like a Mandela effect that permanently changed
the song.
The instrumental breakdown is 16measures.
This day, there were 17.
It has not been permanentlychanged.
It was more like deja vu sort ofit felt odd out of place clunky.
For your information the songwas All The Small Things and the
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extra four beats were added inthe build up to the final
chorus.
Nicole (17:35):
I just think it's kind of cool that it was Blink 182,
like you blink and all of asudden boof.
April (17:39):
I know, you know, yeah.
Lori (17:41):
So funny.
Yeah.
Say it ain't so.
I will not go.
April (17:47):
Somebody else has commented there's a thing called
kundalini.
Oh, the kundalini, yeah.
Basically it's a term for aspiritual energy or the life
force located at the base of thespine, conceptualized as a
coiled serpent.
The practice of kundalini yogais supposed to arouse the
sleeping kundalini shakti fromits coiled base through six
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chakras and penetrate theseventh chakra or crown.
And this guy says the spinething could be the kundalini
energy.
I think it's considered safe ifit does it on its own, but when
you force it, it could causemental instability.
We'll have energy coiled up atthe base of our spine, and it
can go up to our head, or higherchakras, causing sights, sound,
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psychic experiences.
I think mine has been awkwardsince I was a kid.
Interesting.
Lori (18:38):
That is such a cool story.
I like that.
Yeah, I like things that justmake you go.
Hmm.
If any of us were him and we sawthe car behind them, we saw the
car coming, you're like...
no.
April (18:51):
I'd be so confused.
Lori (18:52):
I would...
no.
April (18:54):
And I'd be like, am I a wizard?
Lori (18:55):
Yeah, exactly.
April (18:57):
Am I a wizard?
Nicole (18:58):
I love that you attribute all this movement to
yourself.
I moved to that car.
April (19:03):
I would be like, I predicted the Jeep.
I saw it behind me, but reallyit was in front of me the whole
time.
Yeah, I'm a wizard.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I would say.
Nicole (19:12):
There you go.
Lori (19:13):
I love it.
April (19:14):
Well, I guess we're going Side Eye.
Moving on, who's the next thenext story teller?
It is me.
Oh
Nicole (19:22):
Okay, so this happened in Detroit.
April (19:26):
Michigan!
Nicole (19:27):
Yeah
April (19:28):
I'm proud of myself for knowing that.
Nicole (19:29):
I'm proud of you, too.
April (19:31):
I'm bad at geography!
Nicole (19:32):
Okay.
Lori (19:33):
Yeah, I'm not.
I'm also not great.
Nicole (19:34):
I mean, I'm not great either.
I couldn't find Detroit,Michigan.
April (19:38):
I could point randomly on a map and maybe get it wrong.
Yeah.
Anyway, so in Detroit, this isearlier this year, Portia
Woodruff was getting her twodaughters ready for school when
six officers knocked on herdoor.
Step outside, you're underarrest for robbery and
carjacking, they commanded her.
Stunned, she looked down at hereight month pregnant belly,
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trying to grasp how anyone wouldsuspect her of such a crime.
Handcuffed to her doorstep,tears streamed down her face,
and then Portia had to leave hercrying children with her fiancé.
She was taken to the DetroitDetention Center, where the
nightmare continued.
For 11 agonizing hours, sheendured relentless questioning
about a crime she knew nothingabout, and her iPhone was seized
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as potential evidence.
She said, I was havingcontractions in the holding
cell.
Sharp pain shot through my backand spasms wracked my body.
I think I was probably having apanic attack.
She was unprepared for theharsh, cold reality of the
detention center's concretebenches.
Yeah, that would be souncomfortable for a pregnant
lady.
Eleven hours.
Eleven hours.
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Yeah.
And she's how many monthspregnant?
Nicole (20:46):
Eight.
Lori (20:46):
I cannot.
Nicole (20:48):
She was formally charged with robbery and carjacking.
And she was released on ahundred thousand dollar personal
bond.
She was rushed to the hospitalthen where doctors diagnosed her
with dehydration andadministered IV fluids.
A month later, right about thetime she's having her baby, the
charges were dropped, but thetrauma lingered.
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So this ordeal began with afacial recognition search gone
wrong.
Portia became the sixthindividual, all of them black,
and the first woman to befalsely accused due to this
technology.
April (21:22):
Oh my God.
Nicole (21:23):
The implications were clear and tell terrifying.
The technology has a pattern ofmisidentifying black
individuals.
A couple weeks before her arreston a Sunday night, a young man
reported a robbery at a localliquor store.
His story painted a grimpicture.
He had picked up a woman off thestreet earlier that day and
invited her into his car.
They drove to a nearby liquorstore parking lot where they
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shared drinks and engaged insex.
They continued to a gas stationspending more time together.
And then later, the woman askedto be dropped off at a location
about 10 minutes away from thegas station.
He drove to the spot and theywere met by a man who appeared
to be waiting for her.
As soon as he got out, the manpulled out a handgun and
threatened him.
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In a matter of moments, the manseized the victim's wallet and
phone and then both the womanand the strange man fled in this
guy's Chevy Malibu.
Days later, a man driving thestolen vehicle was apprehended.
And the woman actually returnedthe phone to the gas station.
So, surveillance footage wasfound.
So they prompted a detective torun a facial recognition search
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on the unknown woman.
And the system pointed toPortia, matching her to an old,
low quality mugshot from a minorincident in 2015, when she was
pulled over for driving with anexpired license.
And was arrested.
I don't know about you, but I'venever met a white person
arrested for driving with anexpired license.
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So now she's got a mugshot onfile.
Astonishingly, the authoritiesonly use this poor quality image
instead of her much clearer andmore recent driver's license
photo.
Rather than questioning Portiaor investigating further, they
took this outdated mugshot,which looks really different
from what she looks like rightnow.
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You know like mugshot worstnight of your life.
April (23:14):
I look different from 2015!
Nicole (23:18):
And in the driver's license photo she's wearing
makeup.
She's ready, you know, it'sdifferent.
So they use this mugshot in aphoto lineup and showed it to
the victim.
The victim identified her fromthe lineup.
Remember, she looks similarenough that this facial
recognition software picked herup.
Yeah.
And so she's the one that lookssimilar in this lineup.
This sets off the chain ofevents leading to her arrest.
April (23:39):
Did not did they not show her own photo for the person to
identify her?
Nicole (23:45):
They didn't show her driver's license photo.
It's this old mugshot photo.
April (23:47):
Exactly.
Nicole (23:48):
The same one that the thing identified, but instead of
asking her any questions orinvestigating they just showed
this guy and then six detectivesshow up at her house.
April (23:57):
Sorry, I was just wanting to clarify they showed the
witness?
Nicole (24:00):
The guy who got robbed.
So he identified her from thelineup.
And then they proceeded toarrest her.
This isn't an isolated incident.
This is the sixth person inDetroit that has been falsely
arrested because of this.
April (24:14):
That's, that's six too many.
Nicole (24:16):
Yes.
April (24:17):
Yeah.
Nicole (24:17):
As Portia grappled with the fallout of all of this, her
attorney emphasizes the broaderimplications.
Facial recognition should justbe an investigative tool.
If you get a hit, do your joband go further.
The technology's misuse hasalready led to multiple false
arrests, and Portia's caseunderscored the urgent need for
reform.
April (24:38):
Could they not tell that this person is eight months
pregnant versus a person who'srunning around like...
Nicole (24:46):
You're right, she's eight months pregnant living in
a suburb versus like a streetlady.
April (24:52):
I mean sometimes you can't see a pregnant belly.
Can you not tell that onsurveillance video that this
person is obviously not eightmonths pregnant?
Lori (25:02):
He was doing something with her before she got dropped
off.
Nicole (25:07):
They spent like the day together and they had sex.
So yes, I feel like there's agood chance.
Lori (25:11):
So wouldn't he know if she was pregnant?
April (25:15):
Eight months.
Lori (25:16):
Like eight months!
Nicole (25:17):
So actually...
Lori (25:18):
We're not talking four months or six months, even.
Nicole (25:20):
Portia commented that she feels lucky because her
advanced pregnancy likely playeda role in the eventual
realization she couldn't havedone it because the man did not
recall the woman being pregnant.
April (25:34):
Yeah.
Nicole (25:36):
Remember, they just did this mugshot off her face at
first.
April (25:38):
Yeah.
Nicole (25:39):
So for the rest of her pregnancy, Portia was plagued by
stress and fear because, youknow, one month of pregnancy,
she had to return to the policestation to retrieve her phone
and she had to attend two courthearings via Zoom.
Her neighbors saw her arrested,her kids and her daughters were
deeply affected and they nowtease her infant son.
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that he was in jail even beforehe was born.
April (26:02):
Yeah, my God.
Oh, no.
And the stigma for that.
Nicole (26:05):
Yeah.
So what do you guys think?
April (26:08):
It should just be used as an investigative tool.
I can see how it could be veryhelpful.
But I mean, AI, even if youpunch in anything into AI, it is
very good, but it is notinfallible.
Nicole (26:21):
Just the lack of investigation.
So you see this person's mugshotin a lineup.
The person that she looks likein the mugshot is somebody who's
like clearly just probably wentout to grab something was
driving her hairs pulled back.
She's got no makeup on.
She's looking unhappy becauseshe's in a mugshot.
Lori (26:40):
Yeah.
Nicole (26:40):
Versus the person in the driver's license photo
completely different.
Like I wouldn't recognize themas the same person except for
the eyebrows, maybe.
So he picks her out, but thesecops don't investigate.
They just send six people toimmediately arrest her.
April (26:54):
Yeah.
Nicole (26:54):
They have no idea of her background or her lifestyle.
April (26:57):
Honestly, as soon as she opened the door and she's eight
months pregnant, they shouldhave been like, Hmm.
Nicole (27:02):
Well, she did.
She's like, are you kidding me?
Lori (27:04):
Technology can be wonderful.
Yeah.
But it can also be extremelyharmful, you know?
Nicole (27:12):
Well, let's talk about how only black people are being
misidentified.
April (27:15):
Yeah.
That I don't like that.
Lori (27:16):
Yeah, I don't like that at all.
I think that's, that'scompletely unfair and unjust.
April (27:21):
That tells me that the AI has been fed a lot of other,
mostly white people's faces.
Nicole (27:28):
Yeah, me too.
Not, and it can't recognize
April (27:30):
Just like everything, just like everything is always
based on a white man.
Nicole (27:34):
Yeah.
April (27:34):
That's it.
Nicole (27:36):
Yeah, so some of these guys like it talks about some of
the other lawsuits and and onewho didn't even have a lawsuit,
But he had to spend thousands onlawyer fees proving his
innocence like the cost.
Your life disruption all of itand She is she's suing now.
Lori (27:53):
And so should the other five.
Nicole (27:55):
But the bottom line is, I think that, you know, they've
got this technology.
And like the lawyer said, it's atool for investigation.
So it points the finger at her.
April (28:02):
Check her alibi.
Nicole (28:03):
Question her.
Like, and I don't mean arresther and question her for 11
hours.
April (28:08):
Yeah.
Nicole (28:08):
I mean, just go to her house and question her.
Look at her lifestyle.
Watch her for a while.
24 hours of surveillance wouldshow her lifestyle.
April (28:15):
Look at everybody's ring camera that's on everybody's
door in the suburbs and see ifShe's even left her house.
Everybody now has cameras.
Everybody.
Dash cams.
There's cameras everywhere.
Nicole (28:26):
Pull up the other photo of her and say, let's show this
guy, you know.
April (28:30):
Even run that against the facial recognition.
Yeah, probably wouldn't work.
Nicole (28:34):
I agree.
Yeah, yeah.
So there were just all theseother options.
That's why I think the lawsuitis really deserved is because
yeah, there were a lot of otheroptions before they did this to
her.
Lori (28:43):
Questioning her for 11 hours.
That's ridiculous.
Clearly, she didn't do it.
April (28:49):
And the fact she had to go to the hospital after.
Nicole (28:51):
Yeah, that she spent 11 hours.
I don't know how long theyactually questioned her.
But they she spent 11 hoursthere.
April (28:56):
They decide to make you wait.
They decide when you're...
Lori (29:00):
It's a tactic.
April (29:00):
It is.
Lori (29:01):
It's a tactic because they they want you to crack.
April (29:03):
They had no regard for her advanced pregnancy status at
all.
She was dehydrated and needed
Nicole (29:09):
Two! Two IV bags.
April (29:11):
Yeah, that's, that's extreme.
Nicole (29:13):
And she also from the photos I've seen of her does not
look like someone you would pickup off the streets.
The way she presents the way shedresses herself, not that
person.
So I would assume as well theway she speaks the way she acts,
not that person.
April (29:27):
A lot of times police can be assholes to others,
especially if they are thatconvicted that that she did it.
Nicole (29:35):
Or they just want to get it done with.
April (29:37):
Yeah, I mean, what an easy tool to use.
Nicole (29:41):
Let's talk about the fact that she was pulled over
for driving with an expiredlicense and then arrested.
April (29:46):
I've had an expired license, didn't realize it.
I went to a traffic stop.
They're like, Oh, hey, yourlicense has been expired for
three months.
I was like, what?
Yeah.
Oh, my gosh.
Like people don't remember that.
It's not like their everydaylife.
Nicole (30:02):
That's not going to cause them to have you step out
of the car, search it, doanything.
April (30:07):
No.
Racial profiling all the way.
Yeah.
It's a terrible situation thatpeople have to still deal with
that.
I cannot I cannot condone thatat all like the racial
profiling.
Isn't that everybody's innocentuntil proven guilty?
That's not the case in thosesituations.
Nicole (30:27):
No, she's treated as she's guilty.
April (30:29):
It's so sad, my partner, he says as a joke, but it is
something that he trulybelieves.
He said the best thing I canpass on to my children is that
they will be half white.
Because he's Asian.
Yeah.
And that's what he always says.
That's the best thing.
And he says it as a joke, butit's serious to him.
Nicole (30:47):
But we've heard stories about how like he and his
friends go places and their IDand they're heavily checked.
And you and I walk in andnothing happens, you know?
April (30:55):
Yeah.
And even during the pandemictimes, people were very racist
against our area against Asiancommunity.
And to the point where one ofour friends fathers was verbally
abused in a store...
Nicole (31:11):
...for apparently starting COVID...
April (31:12):
by a security guard.
It's terrible out there forother people.
I feel so fortunate, but also Ifeel so terrible that I can
literally not understand fullywhat other people have to go
through.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know, I wish I could fixit.
You know, I wish I could stopthat from happening.
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And, you know, there have beentimes when I've said a joke when
I shouldn't or laughed atsomething I shouldn't, cause I
felt awkward.
And I've just decided that I'mnot doing that anymore.
Yeah.
Nicole (31:45):
Yeah.
April (31:45):
You got to be part of the solution and not not part of the
problem.
Yeah, exactly.
Nicole (31:50):
Okay, so let's talk about Sus level.
April (31:54):
I want to put it at What the Sus!?!?
There's multiple lives involvedhere.
Lori (31:59):
And even future lives.
We're not just talking aboutthis one story really we're
talking about this as as a wholeThere's already five women that
this technology has...
April (32:10):
Five people.
Nicole (32:11):
Six people.
Only black people and she's thefirst woman.
Lori (32:14):
Either way, this technology needs some work.
Nicole (32:18):
It needs that human aspect.
Lori (32:20):
It does.
April (32:21):
Honestly, why are you using it?
If it's getting it wrong thatoften?
Yeah.
Nicole (32:25):
They said they do about 150 a year.
So I don't know how many theyget wrong.
I think it's a good startingpoint for investigation.
Like it points a finger at aperson and you could be like,
okay, let's watch this person.
Let's talk to them politely intheir living room.
Yeah.
Lori (32:40):
And like, you know, where they were when the crime took
place first.
Yeah.
April (32:46):
Real police work here.
Nicole (32:47):
Yes!
Lori (32:48):
Do the do the leg work.
And then if this person clearlyisn't the person, then you move
on to the next.
April (32:55):
Yeah.
Nicole (32:56):
Because honestly, I bet any real detective worth their
salt would knock on her door,walk into her living room, have
a conversation with her, see herfamily, find out about their
income level, and be like, she'snot the person.
She's not the one who's walkingthe streets.
Lori (33:12):
Stealing somebody's Chevy Malibu.
Right?
Nicole (33:14):
Yeah.
Yeah.
She has no associations withthis guy.
April (33:17):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not infallible.
AI is not infallible.
Nicole (33:21):
No.
You're right.
These guys are taking shortcuts.
And when it comes to systematicracism, absolutely What the
Sus!?
Lori (33:27):
What the Sus!?
for sure.
Because it's just, it'sunacceptable.
April (33:30):
Yeah, What the Sus!?
What the Sus!?
There we go.
Lori (33:34):
Third story of our day.
Yes.
So this is from the subredditr/trueoffmychest.
And this was just from five daysago.
So it's a newbie.
My boyfriend and I, both 29,have been together for two years
now.
Before that, we were bothmarried and got cheated on by
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our spouses.
We were introduced to each otherthrough mutual friends and
thought we would get along sincewe went through the same thing.
I have told everyone that usmeeting that night, that was the
greatest blessing because hecame into my life at a very dark
point.
In the past two years, we movedto a new town, started new jobs,
and bought a house.
I travel for work and he works90 hours a week.
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So we both have no desire tohave kids.
I have a brother, 31 male, whohas been with a woman since
2020.
They were supposed to getmarried, but called it off in
2022.
Since then, they have been onoff together and really don't
have a great relationship.
That was until November when hisgirlfriend found out that she
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was pregnant and they decided toget serious.
They bought a house and havebeen going to couples therapy.
Their relationship seems to beworking out now since they've
had their baby.
They decided to host a 4th ofJuly party at their house.
I attended with my boyfriend.
I spent most of the nighthelping with cooking and helping
with my brother's girlfriend setup and watching my niece.
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Like every 4th of July party,there's people getting way too
drunk and starting to act up.
Once mostly everyone had left,my boyfriend and me, my brother
and his girlfriend, and a couplefriends were sitting by the fire
and having a few drinks.
My boyfriend had a few too manydrinks and was starting to act
drunk.
He started telling randomstories and after a few random
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stories, he says brother'sgirlfriend's name.
Remember when we used to hook uplast year?
April (35:29):
What?
Nicole (35:30):
What?
What?
April (35:32):
So that baby's his.
Nicole (35:33):
This is not what I was thinking it was going at all.
April (35:35):
I thought he and the brother were going to be a
couple.
Nicole (35:38):
No, I thought he was going to be like, I wish we had
a baby.
April (35:42):
No, I thought him and the brother were hooking up.
Nicole (35:44):
Oh my gosh.
Lori (35:45):
The story could have had so many endings.
Nicole (35:47):
Right?
Oh my gosh.
April (35:50):
And other timelines maybe.
Lori (35:51):
My brother's girlfriend looks at him in shock.
Then starts apologizing to me.
I just sat there in silencebefore leaving.
Immediately after, I got textsfrom his girlfriend, my
boyfriend, and brother, alltrying to fix things, and saying
April (36:08):
Do they all know?
Nicole (36:09):
They all knew?
Including the brother?
April (36:11):
What the fuck?
Nicole (36:11):
Isn't the brother with the girlfriend?
April (36:13):
What?
Lori (36:13):
I know.
So yes.
So each, all three of them, thegirlfriend her boyfriend and the
brother, all trying to fixthings, saying he didn't mean to
tell me.
Nicole (36:27):
Well, but that doesn't actually fix it.
That doesn't change whathappened.
April (36:31):
Oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to tell you thatlike, life altering...
Nicole (36:34):
Can you just forget it now?
April (36:35):
Yeah.
Lori (36:36):
His girlfriend texts me the story and says that they
hooked up for a couple of monthswhile I was working in another
state.
April (36:44):
Oh, it's okay then.
You know what?
Nicole (36:46):
So they were in a committed relationship, but
these guys were hooking up.
April (36:49):
No, but it's okay.
It's all good.
That's okay.
You know, that's normal.
Lori (36:52):
I haven't replied to anyone's texts.
No.
Just spent the morning packingall my stuff from the house and
leaving with my car and thetruck I bought for him.
I already feel so much happierknowing what he did to me.
And now that he's gone.
April (37:09):
And now also, I'm so glad you're down a brother.
Like what?
Nicole (37:14):
So I just want to figure this out.
Yeah.
The brother, it's his girlfriendthat's pregnant.
It's her brother.
April (37:20):
No the neice is...
Nicole (37:20):
That's his girlfriend.
April (37:21):
The niece is here.
Nicole (37:23):
And so his girlfriend that's pregnant, possibly with
his baby.
The brother knew that hisgirlfriend was hooking up with
her boyfriend.
April (37:31):
Yeah.
Nicole (37:32):
He knew the whole time.
But then I guess they were onagain off again.
Lori (37:35):
That's right.
So maybe it was during a timewhen they were broken up.
But the brother knows becausethe brother was texting.
Nicole (37:43):
Yeah.
Lori (37:44):
Trying to...
April (37:45):
make it right.
Lori (37:46):
Make it right.
Nicole (37:46):
But now There's some paternity questions too.
Okay.
April (37:50):
Holy shit.
Nicole (37:51):
Is there more to this story?
Lori (37:53):
So there's no update.
Nicole (37:55):
Ah, how could you do that to us?
Lori (37:56):
I know, I know.
I'm so sorry.
Nicole (37:58):
I don't think she's even dealt with the possible
paternity question.
April (38:03):
That is definitely in the comments.
Yes.
She is definitely being toldthat.
That's so terrible!
Lori (38:10):
Yeah, so what do we think first before I read some
comments?
Nicole (38:14):
Glad she took the truck too.
Because all these women end upgetting screwed over and like
losing half, losing the moneythey put into the house, like an
on a previous episode.
Lori (38:25):
Yeah.
Nicole (38:26):
Glad they have no kids.
April (38:27):
If I found out that my sibling has a child who I think
is my niece, but has possiblybeen my partner's child the
whole time.
Lori (38:36):
She found out she was pregnant in November and she's
had the baby.
So I guess she was pregnant fora little while before November.
Nicole (38:42):
Yeah, while this woman was gone.
And so they all know because hemight be co parenting or
something at this point, younever know.
He might be Helping themfinancially.
You don't know!
April (38:52):
The brothers just like yeah, that's that's probably my
kid.
I think like level of Delulu.
Those three people isastronomical.
Nicole (39:03):
They didn't mean to tell you.
We're sorry.
April (39:06):
Sorry, I wasn't supposed to say that out loud.
Like, it's not like it's afucking surprise party.
Nicole (39:13):
Well, more than that, like, usually that's your
deepest, darkest secret.
You don't just blurt out like,Hey, remember what we used to
hook up last year?
April (39:19):
That was definitely guilt, guilt all the way.
Nicole (39:21):
Oh, you think so?
April (39:22):
Oh, for sure.
Nicole (39:23):
Interesting.
April (39:23):
Self-sabotage.
Absolutely.
Lori (39:25):
Yeah.
Or maybe like the universe isspeaking through their drunk
self.
April (39:29):
I think it is guilt.
A thing like that has to beeating that person alive.
I mean, especially that baby'slike right there.
Lori (39:36):
That's right.
April (39:37):
Like that could possibly be my kid.
Imagine every single time OP isoh, my baby niece.
I talk about my nieces all thetime.
Yeah, and that every time.
Yeah.
He's probably like, that couldbe my kid.
That could be my kid.
It could be.
Nicole (39:51):
Or just when it's mentioned, that shot of guilt.
That shot of guilt or that shotof guilt.
Yeah.
April (39:55):
Or like every single time that could be my kid.
Like just that flash.
You can think that in a second.
Yeah.
Okay, let's hear some comments.
Lori (40:01):
First comment,"I'm sorry, that's so fucked, especially
that even your brother didn'ttell you." Yeah.
Yeah.
"Have you talked to anyonesince?" Solid question.
I can't believe all three ofthem were able to keep this a
secret.""This is actuallyinsane.
I would never speak to thesepeople again.
(40:21):
They set you up for a lifetimeof trust issues." And then
somebody says,"I woulddefinitely be mourning the loss
of my sibling because I don'tsee any outcome here in which
they wouldn't be dead to me."
April (40:33):
Yeah.
Nicole (40:33):
That's a tough one.
Like I just know I would be sobetrayed.
April (40:37):
It would take a lot of years of like family therapy.
Nicole (40:40):
Starting with him.
He can do a lot of familytherapy.
Yes.
And then when he comes back withthe right apology that shows he
knows how badly he's done.
Yeah.
Then maybe I'll start thetherapy.
April (40:50):
And you just know that in this world, the grandparents
would be like, not on thisperson's side because it's
reddit.
And they'd be like, Your brotherdidn't mean to."
Nicole (41:01):
Oh my gosh, he didn't mean to.
April (41:03):
If I had a kid that did that and then to my other kid
I'd be like, somebody's gettingcut off and it is not OP.
Nicole (41:10):
That's a tough one because if you're the parents
you still want to see yourgrandkid.
April (41:14):
Is it your grandkid?
Nicole (41:16):
Well, you don't know he's raising it like a grandkid
so...
April (41:19):
they've just decided to do this weird thruple thing and
not tell OP.
Lori (41:23):
There was a good comment, "They let it slip so easily and
murderers can keep a secretbetter than these people could."
Nicole (41:31):
That's true.
And it wasn't just them.
They said they were havingdrinks with a few people.
So this came out in front ofothers.
April (41:38):
Do you remember when we used to hook up to that last
year?
Yeah.
Remember that movie we watched?
Oh shit.
Nicole (41:44):
Yeah.
Like just blew up their entirefriend group.
April (41:47):
I gotta be honest.
So if I was in that situation,that would definitely be how
other people would find out.
I would definitely be thatstupid idiot that would say it
accidentally.
And so would you.
Nicole (41:58):
I absolutely would.
I wouldn't I wouldn't even meanto I wouldn't have known that
I'd said it until later.
I've revealed birthdays,surprises, without even
realizing I've done it untilsomeone was like, what?
I would.
April (42:11):
You know, in that birthday chat for this person
about the end, I know, they'replanning a pirate birthday for
me, like a pirate themedbirthday for me.
In the pirate birthday chat forApril, where we talked about
blah, blah, blah.
And then the person who she wastalking to, it was you, I said
it to you.
Oh, there was three of us there.
(42:31):
Oh, the other person's eyes werelike super wide and was like,
Don't do that.
Don't say anymore.
Yeah.
And then I just was like in thewhat?
In the who?
In the what?
Nicole (42:42):
And I was like, shit! Shit! In the what birthday chat?
And yeah, it was so good.
And that is the only time.
That is not the only time.
And that is also It's not theonly time.
Like I actually cannot I can'tknow them.
Oh, man, this one time.
So I was dating this guy andthis guy's uncle had two
(43:03):
girlfriends.
April (43:04):
One was a long term girlfriend, and they were kind
of on and off.
And he was also on and off withthis other girl, but they knew
about each other.
Nicole (43:11):
Sometimes they overlapped.
April (43:13):
Yes, definitely.
He did not commit to either ofthem.
And he was very clear that hewas not committing to either of
them.
Wow.
But they would both get upsetabout the other person.
And so I had just recently beenintroduced, forgot who people
were because they both hadblonde hair.
And I met one.
Oh, And they both felt like theywere, I don't know, the most
(43:34):
important, you know?
Nicole (43:35):
Of course.
April (43:36):
And so when I met them, I was like, Oh, right, I think I
met you the other day.
And my boyfriend and the uncleare behind and they were like,
don't say any more.
And I was like, Huh, no.
Cool.
Cool.
Don't you maybe your hair wasstyled differently.
Did I not meet you?
And then I was like, you knowwhat?
I have just met a lot of peoplein in my boyfriend's family
(43:58):
lately.
Yeah, and maybe it was someoneelse.
I don't know.
Nicole (44:04):
You're just digging yourself...
April (44:05):
Anyway, I gotta go to the bathroom! Bye! I just left and I
was like, I am so sorry.
Nicole (44:10):
Digging a hole deeper.
April (44:12):
I didn't irreparably damage anything.
Nicole (44:14):
These two women were obviously willing to live with
the situation because neither ofthem left him.
April (44:18):
They were so unhappy.
Nicole (44:19):
They could be angry all they want but it's not like it's
news to them.
April (44:23):
Exactly.
But it was just like oops So,yeah, I would be I would be that
person too that wouldaccidentally out it.
Lori (44:29):
Accidentally though.
April (44:30):
Oh yeah.
Accidentally.
I think this person probably didit accidentally as well.
Lori (44:34):
I mean, alcohol makes you do strange things.
Where are we landing on SusMeter for this story?
April (44:42):
I think it's pretty sketchy.
I would say pretty sketchy.
Because it was last year whenthey were hooking up.
And they were never gonna tellOP and all three of them knew.
And that's like such a level ofbetrayal.
That's insane.
Nicole (44:56):
I would put it sketchy to Major Sus for that and the
fact that this little girl isgonna be screwed up.
Lori (45:03):
Yes, that's, I think that's the kicker for me.
I think that's where hits theminor side of the Majorly Sus I
find, because there's a babyinvolved.
And because they were hooking uplast year, she found out she was
pregnant in November of lastyear, and it's July, and And
she's had the baby already.
April (45:23):
I guess I was hoping that they would figure that shit out
now.
Nicole (45:28):
Well, maybe they have, and they just weren't telling
either.
She said, he didn't want kids,but maybe at some point he's
going to feel responsible tofind out, or he's going to want
to find out.
April (45:36):
This is the time to figure that shit out now.
There's no reason to not do itother than if you decide, no,
the brother is the dad, andwe're never going to find out
and decide to do that, which Ialso don't think is a correct
thing.
Nicole (45:51):
Which is really sad, because if her ex is her niece's
father, he'll never becompletely out of her life.
April (46:00):
I think that they should know for sure.
And then make that decision.
Are you in?
Are you going to be the fatheror is the brother?
Nicole (46:08):
Yeah.
April (46:09):
And if the brother is then you just fish officially
sign over rights.
Nicole (46:13):
It's never that simple, though.
And we know that because at somepoint, this guy might change his
mind, or these two might breakup.
And then they don't comethrough.
April (46:21):
Yeah, I guess it's more like you officially adopt you
officially go through theofficial channels and you do it
as an adult way as possible.
Lori (46:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
April (46:30):
Because if the official father decides I don't want kids
and I don't want to do this,then you do have the right
signed over and or like therights.
You can give that the rightswaived.
Nicole (46:42):
Yeah, that child up for adoption.
April (46:44):
Yeah, and the other person can officially adopt
after that happens.
I just think it would just bebetter to have that piece of
paper.
Just like whenever you'resplitting up from somebody, it
is way better even if you'recordial, even if you're,
communicating well, when youbreak up, and you have kids.
Always go and get an agreement,a separation agreement, a
(47:07):
custody agreement, whatever youguys officially decide on.
And get it on paper.
Because when shit happens, thenwhat you fall back on is that
piece of paper.
And you may never need to useit, and you don't have to go by
that, but then you can.
So if he is.
I think they should get thatfigured out.
Lori (47:23):
They need to get it figured out because it's just
too, it's too scandalous to notknow the truth in that
situation.
Cause I was like you guys, whenI was reading the story, like I
thought, maybe the brother andthe boyfriend.
I did not see it going thatroute.
I am very curious to know whatour viewers think of this story.
(47:45):
I do hope that there's an updatesoon because there are thousands
of comments.
April (47:53):
Yeah.
I just feel bad that likeliterally at this moment, OP is
dealing with such upheaval inher life and I feel terrible for
her for that.
And right now they all three ofthem all four of them are
figuring out what to do fromhere.
I hope they make the rightdecisions going forward.
Let's just send positiveenergies, whatever you want to
(48:14):
do to them for the right path to
Lori (48:16):
OP and the kid.
Yes.
Nicole (48:18):
The child.
Yeah.
Lori (48:18):
Like those, those two are the ones that like we are
sending all of the good
April (48:23):
Make the right decisions.
Lori (48:24):
Vibes.
April (48:25):
Make the right decision for the kid.
Lori (48:27):
Yes.
Make the right decisions.
Yeah.
The hard decision, please.
Well, I think that brings us tothe end of this episode.
Thank you for watching alsoRemember to hit that subscribe.
Yeah.
You can find us basicallyeverywhere.
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We're everywhere.
And nowhere at the same time.
Nicole (48:48):
That's very sus.
Lori (48:51):
You're welcome.
April (48:52):
Yes.
Set us up there real good.
Anyway, until next time, becurious.
Nicole (48:59):
Seek the truth.
Lori (48:59):
But stay suspicious.
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