Sinners with Brandon Cole

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
excuse me, is anybody sitting here?
Sorry, this is taken.
Sorry, uh.
First I want to start thepodcast by saying happy belated
birthday, brandon.
Uh, you just turned 29, right29.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yeah, it's been a blast I'm excited for you, and
my birthday is in about a weektoo.
I'm not that excited for it.
I don't know how you felt aboutit, but we're once up close to
30, and I'm not ready for thatI'm really not ready for it.
I'm finding gray hairs alreadyin my hair.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's why I shaved my head.
Man, you don't got to worryabout it.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
How'd you celebrate your birthday?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Went on um.
How'd you celebrate yourbirthday?
Went on a cruise, like myentire family came out um, I
think you.
Obviously you know my twinsister, so it was the first
birthday we were able to spendtogether like the last 10 years
because, like you know, life isjust so crazy now but, uh, being
able to ring that in witheverybody.
My roommate, danny, you've met,obviously you know danny, but
being able to do.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
That was a uh, absolute blast that's amazing,
like it was a week-long cruise,you said yeah, it was about, uh,
six days all together, uh,which is the perfect amount.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
It was the first time I've been on a cruise since I
was like eight, so a completelydifferent experience.
It is now my new favorite thingnah, you can keep that.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I have zero desires to go on any cruises.
I'm too paranoid for that stuffno, that's exactly how I was.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
You got to lock in man.
It's so worth it, andeverything that I was stressed
about immediately disappeared,especially if you get the drink
back in, you'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Did you stop anywhere , cool?
Or was it just in the boat theentire time?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
No, we went to Cozumel and Costa Maya, which
were absolutely beautiful.
I got like a massage on thebeach.
You know, listening to thewaves got, you know, the real
life music going behind me.
Couldn't, couldn't have askedfor anything better.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's.
That's incredible.
That's incredible.
You know what I'm doing for my29th birthday I'm going to BC
Osaka.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Chinese buffet.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
You know, yeah, yeah, no, I'm actually that weekend
I'm going to Milwaukee to gohang out with my brother and do
some stuff out there.
But I'm excited for that 29,man 29.
That's insane.
That's insane.
I think we've known each other,since we were about nine,
probably.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, yeah, going back to you.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
You know the elementary school days, I think,
like in school, like especiallymiddle school.
I was more closer with yoursister, but like your whole
family's pretty cool, like I metthem before we went to chili's
after.
I remember, uh, chili's afterone.
Um, our middle school dances orsomething like that that was
pretty funny that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
We were, uh, talking about chili's pretty much the
entire time while we were on theboat.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
That is a hell of a throwback.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
And listen.
It still stands.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, if Chili's wants to be a sponsor on this
podcast, all you got to do ispay me the triple dippers.
I'll be dope with that.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Give me a chocolate molten cake.
I'm yours forever.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
I was just there yesterday actually.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Today's WrestleMania, but I may have to pregame it at
Chili's.
That may be an idea.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Fuck, yeah, we're going to be talking about Sinner
.
This episode is Michael BJordan and Ryan Coogler all the
way around.
We're going to be talking aboutSinners and their first movie
together, fruitvale Station.
I'm excited to talk about bothof them because not just so much
reviewing the actual movies,but just the comparison between
their skills, uh, that have likegrown since then.
Um, before you that, like Ijust mentioned before, we

(03:31):
started recording.
Um, right before I hit upchili's, I went to and see the
new minecraft movie.
I know I wasn't planning on to,but my girl wanted to go see it
because she's a big gamer andyou know she's, she's starting
getting her minecraft too.
Um, and just as what youthought about it before seeing
it is exactly how you're gonnafeel going out of it like it

(03:52):
sucked it.
It wasn't bad, it was prettybad.
Um, jack black.
Jack black is, I don't know.
Do you think jack black is moreleaning towards kids content or
was he always for kids content?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
because I remember I was gonna say he's always been
that way.
He's done like the things likeum, um, tropical thunder, yeah,
oh, he's had like some, somelike more crazy roles like that.
But no, ever since school ofrock, nacho libre, like we grew
up with them.
He's just still in that timeyeah, yeah, which you know.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, it's going viral right now with the
minecraft movie theaters.
Like kids are going crazy, andnot just kids, like stupid
teenagers are going crazy duringthis movie, throwing popcorn,
making messes and stuff likethat no, that's, I hate that
stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
That's disrespectful to my, my cinema.
No, uh, when you went, like wasit still packed and like did
you have that experience ofpeople going crazy?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
so we did plan to go see this movie, but she wanted
to wait till it died down alittle bit.
Um, I think it's been off likea week or two now and um, yeah,
when I bought the tickets,there's only like six people in
there.
I was like, cool, we can handlethat because it's a big theater
still.
And we went there and it was agood handful of families 99 of
it was kids.
I was like, uh, great, um, butone of them you know how the big

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thing was like a chicken jockeyor something like that, and
that's when people were crazy.
There was only one kid in thewhole theater that screamed the
title chicken jockey.
And then everyone's just like,oh, like that wasn't even worth
it because it was kind ofawkward.
Um, so I just want to talkabout things like that are only
like really cool.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
It's that unison, like when it's it's all energy
based.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
So if you're the only one screaming it just now,
you're the weird person yeah,that's like clapping it when the
airplane lands, like if you'redoing it by yourself, so that,
um, yeah, that movie, like, so Ithink there's, I think there's
talks of sequels already, if I'mnot mistaken.
Um, I don't know how.
I think there's, I thinkthere's talks of sequels already
, if I'm not mistaken.
Um, I don't know how.
I think it did pretty well inthe box office, actually,

(05:51):
compared numbers, compared tosuper mario, if I'm not mistaken
, for the studio, which isinsane to me.
I don't know how it did it, butyeah, the super mario brother.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
You know that went on to make a billion dollars off
of the peaches, peaches, peaches.
So I don't know, even likeright now.
I know it's getting some, somefanfare, but I I don't know this
song.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I mean, this movie had like a couple original songs
in it, but they were like 45seconds to a minute long okay
and it was like random.
I was like why the is this inhere?
It was stupid.
I mean there was a couple cooleaster eggs like kung fu pan and
stuff like that, but yeah.
But now I want to go these.
Both movies are Ryan Coogler'sonly rated R films, if I'm not

(06:31):
mistaken.
I want to talk about Sinnersfirst and then we'll go to
Fruitvale Station Going intothis.
You're not a big horror fanmovie, but I asked you to come
on this because I wanted a moviebuff to talk to us about,
because it's it had so much hypebuild around it and I didn't
want to have just somebody who'slike, yeah, it was all right or
it was pretty cool, like no, Ineed to dive deep into this

(06:52):
movie.
The marketing has been crazyfor this.
Like they've been going ontours like the.
The reviews, like it's aperfect score.
On the rotten tomatoes it'scertified fresh, if I'm not
mistaken.
Yep, um, hayley steinfeld.
The trailers like the trailerslook interesting at first.
Like I wasn't as excited whenthe first or two trailers came
out, but once, like I didn'teven know it was a vampire movie

(07:15):
.
Honestly, I didn't know what itwas for the first two trailers
until I started hearing peopletalk about it as a vampire movie
, like oh, I was like I don'tknow how I'm gonna to feel about
it then, because I'm not reallyinto monster movies like that.
Haley Steinfeld the type of dudein press, but I barely remember
seeing her in any of thetrailers, if I'm not mistaken.
So I was like, why is she sucha big deal?
And even if she was listed tobe a bigger role, if I'm not

(07:41):
mistaken, in this movie, takeher to be a bigger role, if I'm
not mistaken in this movie.
Like, take her part of thismovie.
And I'm not reallyunderstanding what she's, what
the hype is built around her.
But she was good in this movie,but the biggest, I mean draw
like you just throw the nameryan coogler out there.
He's a house built name nowlike where he he himself is just
a draw, and top of that michaelb jordan and on top of them,
collabing together it's it'salready making a million dollars

(08:02):
.
It's easy, probably 500 millionif I'm not mistaken are they
like the Scorsese Leo duo?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
not necessarily of that, but, like you know,
they're getting there wheretheir collaborations are just
money yeah, yeah, that's 100%true.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
That's like Christopher Nolan and excuse me
from the name is like oh, theguy played um oppenheimer oh,
they're always together too,yeah oh wait, what is his name?
keelan similarly k oh uh, kellymurphy yeah, it's like
christopher, nolan, keelanmurphy, like how their duo is
together too, like I don't thinkthey're planning on stopping
anytime soon, which is, you know, great for them.

(08:44):
Um, and I want to talk aboutfruitvale station, but we're
going to do that the second halfof this episode, to talk about
some of the comparisons.
Um, and a lot of stuff hashappened.
They've done five.
This is their fifth filmtogether and even since then,
obviously, rick majoransuccessful franchises of creed
and you know, like he he's evenhad his own director debut since

(09:04):
then, and you can just tellthey even had his own director
debut since then.
And you can just tell they gainskills left and right
throughout their whole career.
And I've been reading up onthis movie.
Like ryan coogler like took somany different inspirations for
not only for movies from hispersonal life too.
He wrote this movie too, whichis the most impressive part to
me um, going from fruitvale tothis one, writing big box office

(09:26):
stuff.
It's, it's incredible.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
And I haven't even got to the actual plot about
this movie or the sets oranything like that no, and just
to that point too, like I sawsomething today, I don't even
know, I didn't realize this.
This is the first movie thathe's done that isn't based on a
real story or like a big ip,because obviously you know
fruitvale, fruitvale Station,real life, and then Creed, and
then both Black Panther movies,you know, are huge, already

(09:49):
boxed off, as you know,guaranteed to a point, to a
degree.
This is the one that he satdown, wrote, put his entire soul
into and you see it on screenimmediately.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Which also brings hope to a lot of cinema buffs
who are like oh, there's nothingoriginal anymore and stuff like
that like this is like hisanswer.
Response to that like shut thefuck up and eat this.
Let me tell you right now.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
If you're sitting at home and you're like, oh, I'm
not gonna go to the moviesanymore, there's nothing
original, everything's a sequelor prequel, and you don't go see
this movie, you're done, you'renot allowed to talk about, I
don't want to, ever want to hearthat from your uh, from your,
your mouths again.
That's you.
You gotta support movies likethis if you want more movies to
go, especially when you look atyou know who this movie was made

(10:30):
for just people who love cinema, or just people who love the
movies or want to have a goodtime.
It is pure entertainment.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
So go to the movies we're also recording this on a
saturday too, and this episode,this episode is going to come
out on a monday too and too, andso we have yet to see the
official numbers yet, becausewe've only been two days out.
Technically, I want to go seean early preview night on a
Thursday night at IMAX.
Did you go see an IMAX?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, okay, that's how you haveto see it at a 6 615 showing,

(10:59):
and I was.
I was hesitant to go see an IMAXtoo because, like because I
usually go to the theater inholbert, that's a little bit
closer to from my job, but I was, like you know what?
I haven't seen an imax moviesince captain america.
That's the only movie I've seenin the imax this whole year.
It's like, let me go give it ashot.
I was glad I did that, not onlybecause, like it looked better
on the screen, but like it was apacked theater and seeing it

(11:22):
with so many people who wereexcited to see this movie, there
was cheers in the audience yeah, and not only that.
There was an applause after themovie was over and there's a
mid-credit scene.
There was applause after themid-credit scene.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
It was incredible you talked about earlier.
You know watching the trailersfor this movie really being sold
on it.
I don't know if you saw, butlike during the press tour they
had ryan coogler like explainhow he made this movie.
Yeah, this 10 minute clip abouthim going through like the
difference of imax and the 75millimeter film and like that
was the.
I didn't even watch the secondtrailer.

(11:56):
I watched that and I was likethis guy's a nerd, he's like an
oakland nerd and he really cared.
I'm going I knew I going to gowatch it in the best screen
possible.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
And on top of that I also read too that Christopher
Nolan and his wife came on set afew times to help him shoot in
the IMAX cameras, to give himtips and stuff like that, which
is incredible.
I don't think they're creditedat all, but it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
No, they're just helping him out.
Yeah, they just probablyrecognize he's a fellow nerd,
yeah, and recognize his fellownerd, yeah, and what a flex and
that thing.
He was like yeah, I was talkingto chris the other day like, oh
, christopher dolan, one of thetop you know five, ten directors
of all time, that's cool.
You just got him in your backpocket like that seeing him talk
.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
I mean I think he just has a natural stutter, if
I'm not mistaken.
But I, I, uh, I just think hemight be just too excited
talking about movie stuff,that's why he gets lost for
words I also see your mustacheresembles his a little bit too.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Listen, it wasn't on purpose, but I'm glad it
happened um, how was yourtheater?
experience was a lot packed andstuff like that yeah, so you
know, typically I'm also athursday night, uh, moviegoer,
but I was coming for my cruise,so didn't get a chance to do
that.
One waited till friday.
And when I tell you my you, mytheater was packed.
It's always I don't know if youhave this feeling, but like

(13:07):
when you roll up to the theaterand like it's actually busy,
that just puts a smile on myface.
I was just like all right, thisis what I like to say.
Obviously, I think Minecrafthad a lot to do with it as well,
but when I walked in, mytheater was completely packed.
There was only a few open seatsand my experience, like the

(13:27):
crowd, was going crazy.
They say like listen, my people, black people, we like talking
during movies.
You know it's the thing thatdrives me up a wall.
But in these moments it's funnybecause, like the reactions
that people were getting and itwas like a full, you know, full,
uh uh, full theater experience.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I love it.
My people are known um, youknow, my theater was mostly
filled with them too, and, um,yeah, I'm the same exact way.
I'm annoying when people talkto them.
But, like you said, it added tothe experience because, like
this, not only was it scary inthis movie, but it's a lot
funnier too yeah than I wasexpecting and like to see them

(14:03):
laugh at, like certain jokesthat I probably wouldn't have
gotten.
It was hilarious it.
It made the movie so much morebetter, and like to see that
they were the ones clapping atthe end of it.
I was like, okay, ryan didsomething amazing here yeah,
there's a.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
You know, part of this movie, of course, is
obviously like I said earlier,it's for everybody, it's the.
But this is such like a culturefilled movie, so even like
going with dandy, like some ofthe things he he didn't get, but
he was just in awe ofeverything happening and I I
think that just made itsignificantly better for me as
well yeah, um, I totally skippedover things before we started
going on this review.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Um, there were like two things I wanted I told you
right before we startedrecording.
That I want to talk about wasthe fantastic four trailer that
just dropped.
Uh, new looks new.
We finally see all of theirpowers being used.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Looks incredible um, yeah, we were all waiting on, um
, you know, reed richards.
We're waiting to see, like hisstretchiness, because they, for
whatever reason, have not beenshowing that.
They showed everybody else sofar.
But I think it looks good, I'mexcited for it and we're in
april right now.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
The movie doesn't come out till july, which means
I'm expecting at least one moretrailer, um, before it actually
drops, and I hope it doesn't dothat.
I do not want any more trailers, I do not want any more images,
anything like that.
Like stop right here, uh,because you're gonna sell too
much.
That's exactly what happened.
Like the last several movies,like the um the captain america
movie.
Like I showed the entire redred hawk scene um deadpool and

(15:26):
wolverine.
It showed every single set andscene in that movie in the
trailers.
And this one, like just stop,just stop right here.
Like I'm perfect, like youalready sold me, I'm gonna go
see you, I'm going to go dudethat and that's like my thing,
especially with marvel movies.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Like you know, going back into a few years ago with
the greatest movie of all timeavengers endgame you know they
didn't spoil like anything forthat movie.
All the trailers were likeclips from old movies and there
was like maybe eight seconds oflike this is what's happening,
this is like so they can do it.
They've shown before that theycan.

(16:00):
You know, let us go into itwithout giving us the entire
plot and yeah, I mean forendgame, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I believe they said like all of the trailers are
from the first 15 minutes of themovie.
Perfect, genius, keep it doingsome simple stuff like that,
like we're.
Well, people are going to gosee.
If you don't show any trailersat all, just because it ends on
such a cliffhanger and infinitywar exactly but, um, yeah, I'm
excited to see it.
We've seen a lot more powers,like just the imagery alone.

(16:27):
It looks so crystal clear andlooks phenomenal and the thing
looks like it's really there,like the cgi thing is up to its
game a lot.
And I was kind of skeptical too, because john watts, if I'm
mistaken, was going to be theoriginal director for this movie
and I like him a lot and I waskind of disappointed when he
backed out of it.
Um, because I was like man, noone's gonna do it justice.
But they're from the trailersalone, it looks like it's gonna

(16:50):
be a solid movie.
I'm excited for that.
Um, my girl is not set on it.
She's, uh, she's not impressedwith the casting other than, uh,
peter pascal.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
He's the one um well, johnny, the guy that uh plays
him, I'm not for whatever reason.
Everything that, like I've seenhim in, like for the trailers,
has done nothing for me.
Yeah, but everybody else I'mvery into yeah yeah, I agree
with that.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
But because, like most, is his hair mostly like
it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, obviously it's not his real hair, the dude who
played like Darth Maul or likeFred in Scooby Doo yeah his face
is.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Freddie Prinze Jr.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I don't know what it is, but you're not going to put
Vanessa Kirby in a movie andhave me upset.
It's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Johnny Storm looks like he dyed his hair and he's
coming out of his eminem phasegetting his hair real hair's
growing through, um, but she'snot set on it.
I was like girl, like come on,it's gonna be amazing.
That's like you're gonna watchit with me.
The 30 times we're gonna go seethis in theaters, oh, you might
as well get used to it.
Um.
Then also I want to talk aboutsuperman day, which is the other

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day, and they released some newimages.
We got like more image, clearimages of a villain.
Uh no, I don't know if it's avillain, but obviously lex
luther's villain.
But we'll see, like metro man,if I'm not mistaken.
I'm so bad with names, I'm sorry, um, yeah metamorphosis,
metamorphosis yeah, that's whatit is who could change into,
like gas, liquid solids, anykind of solids, even kryptonite

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too, if you wanted to.
And um, we see more images ofthat, which people are excited.
There's also a mysterycharacter I don't know if you
caught that, like in one of theframes with, uh, lex luther.
It's like a white martian.
People are guessing, butthey're not 100 sure what it
could be.
Okay, um, so it's interesting.
That's the one.
I want to you this which oneare you more likely to go see
more times in theaters?

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Superman?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
or Fantastic Four?
That's such a great question, Ithink because of how important
the Superman movie is, and Iliterally have it as my
background on my phone right nowand I'm not even a Superman guy
I'm not even a Superman guy butit's just like the look up, the
hope.
I think James Gunn has nevermade anything that I'm not gonna

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watch multiple times, so in myhead it has to be superman
you're gonna go see supermanmore than fantastic four.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
that's insane, I feel it.
I feel it, man.
So not only is it like umfantastic four, I think it's
gonna look better and like justbe a better story.
Um, there's also not gonna betoo many, if any, references to
the mcu at all, because it's adifferent universe and I think
we need that fresh of breath offresh air, something just to

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stand alone on itself.
We're not relying on cameos,we're not relying on there's
probably going to be end creditscenes, but we're not relying on
seeing Captain America or NickFury come to the door at any
second.
We can just enjoy this for whatit is and look at those story,
this world that they built in.
And yeah, I mean they are goingto be in the new Avengers
movies.
They are confirmed, but for now, let's just enjoy this.

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Like, let's get to the moment.
As a person, it's almost likethe first phase of MCU, like we
didn't see any of the charactersin the cats in america movie.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
You, know that's exactly, that's exactly the way
to go into it.
You just gotta like.
This is the setup.
I do agree, you know, with thenext movie after this, like
we're already at doomsday orsecret wars.
You know, like it, I don't.
I don't love the build-up sofar, but I think if you go into
this one, um, knowing thatobviously the all roads lead to

(20:22):
the avengers movie, and enjoythis for being a fantastic for
the first, the first family ofthe of Marvel, you'll be a much
happier experience.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I thought well, it's kind of surprising.
They're going to be introducingFranklin Richard to the MCU as
quick as they are Dude did you?

Speaker 2 (20:38):
that's what I'm going to talk to you about.
I had no idea that they weregoing to go the route with the
kids already.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
That's crazy to me, Maybe because, like I mean,
there's so many stories andadventures like we could include
too.
But like we've already seen thestory twice, their origin story
is twice.
Now I'm glad they're not goingwith the origin story.
There might be a coupleflashbacks, like in clips.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
But yeah, I think that's why they're fast-paced.
Both movies are doing thatright.
Superman, they have saidalready, he's already, he's
already living in this world.
You may get like a flashback ortwo, but go into this movie
knowing that at least the barebones, basics of superman yeah,
um, this is also going a littlebit off topic too, like the
batman 2 sequel with robertpattinson like dude.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
This movie, the script came, the script's not
even done and it keeps gettingdelayed, and delayed, and
delayed and matt reeves and saidif it gets delayed one more
time, I'm leaving this projectthen it's his fault, is like
what the latest report said,because he hasn't written the
script yet.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
So you know you can't , you can't have both.
But you gotta say, yeah, theyou know script for the movie
and if the studio rejects it orpush back, that's one thing, but
it's all hanging on you.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
You're the writer, director, you wanted to be in
this position I feel like evenlike knowing how great of a
script you have with the firstone like I would have started
working on that from day one,you know yeah, especially like
the commitment to james gunnsays you know we're redoing,
like we're rebuilding thisentire world.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I'm gonna cast my own batman.
He could have very easily beenlike I'm happy for the first one
we got with reeves, you knownow it's time to move on.
He was like nah, we're stilldoing elseworlds.
Y'all deserve this second movie.
Reeves is the guy, so I don'tknow if it's like too much
pressure for him, but I need himto.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
I need him to lock in as well yeah, yeah, I know
james gunn says he's gonna havethe final approval and anything
comes out.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
You think he's gonna be involved too much in the
batman 2 no, um no, that's justnever been his style and, like
from everything that you hearhim talking about so far, like
you know, he's gonna put thescript first.
You know the characters firstand he trusts his directors to
direct.
So I think, as long as it'sgood, he'll he.

(22:43):
He, he's been around longenough to know it works.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah yeah, um, and I pushed back further not to talk
about sinners.
But now we can talk aboutsinners now.
But uh, one last transition.
Like the three main characterswell, three main characters in
this movie have been in the mcu,like, uh, obviously, michael b
jordan was killmonger.
Uh, hayley steinfeld washawkeye in the hawkeye series

(23:08):
and also, um, tanaj l jackson,who plays beatrice.
She was in the loki series aslike, um, one of the guards
who's also in like b23 orsomething like that something
like that.
She was also in depo andwolverine too she's.
I didn't recognize that heruntil, like, I just really read
it in a couple things review, um.
So if anyone listening rightnow, we are it's.

(23:28):
I am gonna like talk spoilers alittle bit too.
So if you don't want to listento any spoilers, I think you
should go watch this movie firstand then come back and listen
to our review, because there's alot of great things I want to
talk about in this movie.
So this is your spoiler warning.
From here on out, we could bedropping a spoiler too, so just
listen on your own.
Um, this movie is about tryingto leave their troubled lives

(23:49):
behind, twin brothers return totheir hometown to start again,
only to discover that even agreater evil is um waiting for
even I can't talk even greaterevil is waiting to welcome them
back.
This movie was written anddirected by starring michael b
jordan, uh hayley steinfeld,introducing uh miles carden,

(24:11):
miles caton first movie everthis is his first one ever, oh
yeah, um, also the villainousmovies, jack o'connell, who I I
don't recognize him from a wholelot of things, but I liked him
in this role.
He was pretty good in this role.
Um, this movie is like twohours and 17 minutes, if I'm not

(24:33):
mistaken.
Yeah, two hours 17 minutes.
Um, the vampire stuff doesn'teven kick in.
It's like an hour 20 minutes in.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I feel like and I think you know that's what works
right.
You can tell you talked aboutit earlier, about um coogler's
inspiration.
The one that made me laugh ishe talked about like puss in
boots being in this to this.
But uh, till dust, like dusttill dawn, right like the genre
flip, like that.
I I was similar to you, like Iknew what this movie was about,

(25:02):
but like the first like 45minutes, I just was like, oh,
this is a cool story, like I'mpretty locked into it even
without the vampire stuff it wasgreat.
I was like, oh, this would justbe a really cool like I don't
know crime, like you know moviegoing on and then everything
happens and I'm like, ah, yep,that's what we came here for it
almost could have been likebroken up into two different

(25:23):
movies almost like, yeah, likeit's about those twins coming
back who has, like, have areputation and, um, you know,
they're still dealing withracism at this time because,
like, the cool cook fan is avillain of itself.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Um, I was like, if you were stuck with that, that
would have been a good movie too, but I'm I mean, I'm also
excited the vampire stuff wasthere too, because it was
interesting and it wasincredible.
Let's talk about, like, thefirst half of this movie.
I mean, absolutely it opens upwith the ending.
How did you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
and more specifically , like the first 10 seconds,
there's a jump scare and itscared the shit out of me.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, I did think of you.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
I did think of you when I saw that y'all got me
stressed out and I'll say itagain I do not watch horror
movies.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
This movie was semi-stressed out, but yes, my
reasoning for him doing that,like opening up, with the ending
, I was like hey, like yeah,this first hour and a half is
not gonna be as scary.
But like, just keep remember,this is what you're here to see
is like you know this, becauseit's like, uh, the kid like
coming up all bloody and stufflike that, coming in the church

(26:32):
and stuff like that, it wasinsane.
And then, like the whole movie,I was like you almost forgot
about it till we get to the endand the jump scares you're
talking about are like flashesof that night.
That, however, will happen andit's not.
It's kind of told through theperspective of the kid in this
movie a little bit for at leastmajority of the movie, if I'm
mistaken, preacher boy.
Preacher boy whose dream is toleave the plantation just like

(26:55):
his cousins did, who plays bymichael b jordan, smoky and
stack smoking, stack.
Who they left to chicago, whichis cool.
I always get excited when Ihear chicago or something about
indiana.
I was like, oh shit, that's us.
You know, um, and they alsowent to work for um.
Who's that gangster?
Um, capone, capone.

(27:17):
Yeah, that was a cool shout outto the capone, like they went
to go work for him a little bitlike.
These guys have a reputation,yep, of being like gangsters,
pretty much like they didn'tknow.
Literally no one fuck with them, and everyone knew it.
Um, so, anyways, their cousinpreacher boy I'm calling
preacher boy, preacher boy likegets excited.
Like, because they gets excitedbecause they're coming back
into town for the first time.

(27:38):
They're opening up a what dothey call it?
A juke joint, and they knowtheir little cousin plays the
guitar.
So like, all right, so we gotsome entertainment coming on.
Also, they're looking out forhim too, like, hey, this is your
dream, we're going to help youout too.
They're good guys at heart, Iwould say, but they just do

(27:58):
whatever the fuck they want.
Yeah, so then, um, they pick uppreacher boy.
Even their dad warns them like.
As soon as he warns, like allright, this is where you can
tell something's gonna happen,because why would you warn on
something randomly?
Um, he warns him like, hey,like, if you go out there
dancing with the devil, thedevil's going to follow you home
one of these days.
I thought that was a cool-assline too.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Facts and you know getting more into why this story
kind of hits home for me.
My dad's a pastor, sodefinitely not to this degree.
But like the hey, I know yougot plans, but I need you to
help me with this sermontomorrow.
Like felt seen, I know you gotplans but I need you to help me
with this sermon tomorrow.
Like felt I'm seeing, I waslike oh man, like trying to go,
I got things to do but beingable to quote like the scripture

(28:41):
and still be able to do it,like you know, that was some
true like southern culture therethat I think they absolutely
nailed and I was kind ofconfused about the timing too,
like obviously I don't know toomuch about slavery, but like
were they free because?

Speaker 1 (28:55):
like they can't be left as they wanted?
Throughout this whole movie Iwas like yeah, yeah, they were
free.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
This is like back when, uh, like after you know
everything happened, they stilllike stayed on plantations for,
you know, not a lot of money,like very, very, as you can see,
they were pretty poor, but, youknow, trying to have those
towns themselves as well.
Yeah, this is the 1930s.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I forgot to say that earlier.
So anyways, just seeing likethe toilet.
How did you feel about MichaelB Jordan playing two different
characters in this movie?

Speaker 2 (29:22):
He deserves all the credit in the world.
All the credit in the world.
Very random enough, this is thethird WB movie with a big
budget that had the same actorplaying twins.
First it was the one withRobert De Niro, then it was
Mickey 17, and now we gotMichael B Jordan up here.
So we may have to rank thoseperformances.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
At first it kind of bothered me the scene where
they're buying the juke joint,when they're just handing back
the joint back and forth.
I was like, alright, you'rejust doing, they're just handing
back this, like the joint backand forth.
I was like, all right, you'rejust doing, you're just trying
to make it seem natural, like,okay, look what I could do.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Like, yeah, you know but I think that it was so
important because that's what itdid for me, like I also was
like they're going out of theirway.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, like flex on us right now but I mean, as the
movie went along, it did get alot better too, and the whole
time, you know, becauseobviously, like when there's
it's the back of one of theirheads, it's somebody else there,
like that just looks a littlebit similar to them in my mind,
like I'm trying to like okay,I'm trying to see if I can tell
the difference and stuff likethat there are a little bit of
times.
There are times in this moviewhere, like, I couldn't tell who

(30:27):
was who for like a little bit.
I don't know if you felt thesame way.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
No, well, that's what I was going to say.
I think lesser hands would havemade their characters so wildly
different.
Where one was normal, one wasjust over the top, but Smoke
being more of a calming chill,and Stack just being a little
bit more unhinged but more funhe was the one who was going out

(30:53):
by the end of the movie.
They really did become twodifferent characters for me more
, you know, unhinged but like,more fun, like he was like the
one who was going out like theyby the end of the movie.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
they really did become two different characters
for me well, yeah, I'm glad theydidn't do that like make one
more of the straight man, moreand more.
I'm glad they didn't make themtoo too different, because
that's not how twins really workin real life.
You know, like they are goingto be similar in a lot of ways
and I felt like they did thatperfectly in this movie.
Um, I would have been moredisappointed if it was like two
different people, like why areyou guys even related, kind of

(31:15):
thing, but like no, and they didhave that brotherly bond too
that you did see on screen,which is great, and I think what
helped a lot of it todistinguish their own
personalities is they didseparate them for a good chunk
of the movie, like when theywent to go get supplies and
stuff, like that one went to goget supplies for the actual juke
joint, one went to go recruitsome talent for the, and they

(31:35):
always man, these guys are twopeople, always with a plan too.
It was incredible to see likethese guys that were straight
businessmen.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
You can see.
That's the thing too.
They're confident, like it'sfrom the first time you see them
on screen, like in every thingthat they do, like they have a
mission, they're they're veryinto it, they're very capable.
It worked for me.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
It was incredible.
And then let's talk about Ithink it was that's Smokey Stack
who went to go pick up thesupplies, yep.
And then he went to go parkthis truck and his big concern
was he doesn't want no one tofuck with him, so he hires this
little girl to do standby of thetruck.
Like hey, like if someone comesby stealing the shit, honk this
horn.
And there was during this scenethere's a couple of like he

(32:20):
knew the people who own thestore and stuff like that.
They also these asians who alsoown the store across the street
.
They've done this several timesand I'll probably bring it up
the other times too.
Like, um, I love when directorsdo this.
They do a single shot like along extended shot.
There's a scene like where thecamera follows the characters, a
couple different charactersgoing back and forth, doing

(32:41):
shots.
It was incredible because I canonly really just appreciate the
time and effort that theyplanned everything out and
rehearsed it.
That's what I'm seeing likeit's mostly good shown,
beautifully done in theextraction movies with chris
hemsworth on netflix, yep.
So I was excited to see ryancoogler get that skill
underneath his belt too well.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
So, and this is the thing like a lot of people don't
remember this, but he'sactually crafted this.
Or you can tell he's wanted todo this, because if you watch
the original creed, there's areally beautiful one.
Or like in the fight, in thefirst fight there he like
follows them around, but hehasn't been able to like really
get into his bag on this.
Now he does like this everychance he gets.
I could never imagine.

(33:22):
If one thing goes wrong, you'rescrewed.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
There's no way to get it back.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
So, especially when you're shooting on film and you
he talks about that a lot Likethere's not, like you can it's
not digital, right?
All right, delete that one,let's hop into another one.
Like everything costs money.
That's why I would never wantto.
You know, directing is crazy tome, but you know, being able to
get this like having it soplanned out to a T and living it
makes it so much better, itfeels more breathed in and it

(33:46):
really comes across on screen1000%.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
I'm glad you noticed that too.
I'm glad you noticed that too,um, but to show like how badass
these guys and how much theydidn't want to get fucked with,
like the guys he was, the two,there was two men who was who
was robbing his truck doesn'teven see who they are, he shoots
him in the ass right away and Imean, there's some comedy to it
too.
And then, um, he ends upknowing them.
Even though he knows them andthey're cool with them and he's

(34:11):
friends with them, he stillshoots one of them in the lake
because, like I can't have youguys going around saying you
stole, almost stole from thealmost stole, which was fucking
shows.
Like I'll like, yeah, likethey're businessmen at first,
like it it was crazy to see.
It was great to see and thenfollow smoky who's with a
preacher boy.
They're picking up talent,stuff like that and that he

(34:33):
knows he sees preacher boyssinging and playing his guitar
and stuff like that.
As a supporting cousin he'slike all excited like, oh shit,
we gonna make some money now andstuff like that.
They pick up, uh, um, thebouncer for the, the, like the,
the juke joint leader, and theyalso pick a person who can play
the harmonica and the piano,which that was a funny scene too

(34:53):
, because this is where,introduced to hayley steinfeld's
character, the way she'stalking is so raw and hilarious
and so real too, I would feel,because they have a history
together, like uh, because theyused to date, and then you know
that her mother helped raisethem and stuff like that.
It was great chemistry to seeto go back and forth.
Like they have good chemistryoff camera camera too, to the

(35:14):
point where people aresuspicious that they're really
cheating like cheating on her.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Shamik Moore is shaking in his boots.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
He's got the heart of this guy so, but the chemistry
in this movie was incredible tooto see them go back and forth.
They were so funny together andI just love her.
She's my celebrity crush, haleySeinfeld.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
She's been up there for me forever.
She can do it all, but in thismovie she is incredible and
surrounded by a cast like this,it's hard to give anybody the
standout role, Because Michael BJordan is playing two
characters.
How do you top that?
But every time she was onscreen I was literally grinning

(35:56):
ear to ear.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I think we're also at a point of our lives because
we're similar age to like HayleySteinfeld too where we're
seeing these actors transitionfrom like younger kid roles to
more adult roles.
Same thing was in Day of.
I think she really transformedinto the Challengers movie movie
, because now I'm separatingfrom Disney a little bit, you
know.
Haley Steinfeld is like doingthat very thing, because even

(36:18):
she's in the Hawkeye movie.
So I'm still associating youwith the younger characters.
This one she's definitelygetting her own grounding and
like we're seeing Hollywoodshift a little bit.
You know we talked about thatbefore in this podcast.
Hollywood is shifting to a new,younger crowd.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Same thing on this podcast uh, hollywood is
shifting to a new, younger crowd.
Same thing with glenn powelland stuff like that.
You know it's.
It's timothy shamblin, roberthansen, you know, yeah, this is
a new crop.
We're here, um, and uh um, whojust played furiosa, uh, on a
tale of joy on a tale of joylike this new crop is strong and
they're gonna be here for a rowincredible, incredible.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Like I mean I keep forgetting.
Like you, I, every time when Ihear someone's age, like I get
surprised.
Like adam divine is 40 already.
He's like god damn, weren't youjust like 25, like two months
ago?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
like who let that happen actually myles teller is
another one too.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
He's a lot older than you think too.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
I just re-watched top gun, maverick and sorry, random
tangent I just realized almostevery side character in that
movie is now getting their ownroles, like in bigger movies as
well, and it's just so awesometo see like this is what
hollywood, or like what it'ssupposed to be about, they're
putting in the work and, likeyou know again, smaller roles,
you know things they don'treally have to want dialogue,

(37:35):
and then they they go throughthe process so they just
appreciate it more so and that'ssomething much better I feel
like 30, even 40 years ago, youwould never see that like a lot
of the side characters, it wasalways the same main, like 10 to
15 people getting the big roles, only them.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
But like it's a different game because like
there's so many differentstudios, there's so many
different platforms, everyone'sgetting their own chance to
shine and it's it's in crane.
It's what a time to live inhollywood right now.
What a time to be alive man,yeah.
So let's go back to the movie.
So they do buy this um jukejoint from like a guy who's
known to be part of the clan,but they're trying to do their

(38:11):
best to do everything legitimate.
They they do buy it with realmoney that they got from Chicago
and you never get the sense ofwhy they live in Chicago, but
you, you kind of get the feelingthat they were.
They made too many enemies upthere, so now they're coming
back down here and also theywant to make some money too.
Their idea to make money is openup this juke joint where these
people who still live in theplantation have someone to go

(38:32):
and escape a little bit, havesome fun.
It's a double-edged swordbecause they even make this a
point in the second half I waslike, yeah, this is a great
place for them to come and enjoy, but also they don't got money,
they're paying with credits andI don't know why they did this.
This is in the movie.
It's like, yeah, yeah, we'relosing money, we're gonna be out

(38:53):
of business in two months.
I was like how you're like twohours into the night, why are
you making?

Speaker 2 (38:57):
that assumption already because, well, and I
think that was like an importantscene too to be like you know,
we're not no charity.
Like, and he told him too uh,he's like you know, if you had
somebody hooking, like, wouldyou let a john pay with this?
He's like, no, absolutely not.
He's like, then, what the hellare you doing right now?
It's not the same.
Like there's like, you know,it's that, uh, whether you

(39:19):
support small businesses or likeyou know, um, you know things
in your neighborhood, it's thatthing too.
Right, you won't want to beable to give the discount.
You want to be able to.
You know, yeah, but you got tohave legs first, you got to be
able to stand up first, and thenyou can kind of get there.
Can't, can't be giving outfreebies on the first day,
exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
You have to establish that right away, because in my
mind I was like, yeah, if you dothis all the time, that's what
you guys are going to be knownfor, which is like um stacks
point.
I was like we can't be doingthis and like smokey is like
more sympathetic to the peopleand stuff like that.
So they open up this joint,they get everything they need to
and they like hire like abouncer, like to check people in

(39:55):
and out, and he was funny manbecause he almost didn't let
hayley steinfeld's character inuntil she he realized who it was
and he's like oh, you're fromthe neighborhood, basically.
So he's like you can come in andthen the next guy comes like
hey, don't you owe me twodollars?
I cannot tell you how manytimes I laughed a lot of this
movie.
So so I mean there's a lot ofstuff we're cutting in between
because that, like I said,there's no whole hour and 20

(40:18):
minutes, I would say before weget into the vampire stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
And before, like, they do give a little history of
like, like ancient Africantales of what it could be, like
I forgot what they're called,like some of the age haze, haze
or something like that, yeah,which I felt like.
I feel like it was kind ofweird that they focused so much
on that and they weren't even apart in the movie.
It's like, oh fuck, it's nothaze, they're vampires.

(40:43):
I was like why not just give mehistory on vampires then you?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
know, dude, I.
So maybe like I don't know ifthere's just a discrepancy of
like vampire lore but the wholething of them not being able to
come in, the thing that like thegarlic work like I, and
obviously we went into itknowing that it was a vampire
movie.
Danny sitting next to me theysay that line like oh shit,
their vampire Danny goes.

(41:07):
Did not see that coming, he wasjoking, he was looking at me
like that's, that's a crazyplace.
Yeah, this is why I like goingto the movies and it's all like
the traditional vampire stufflike we already know.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Like like garlic and holy water and um, being invited
into a house.
Like they're not allowed to gointo a house, they're invited
into.
In my mind, dude, like how Igot my vampire knowledge of all
this stuff, was that old cartoonnetwork special like the like
the little girl I don't know ifyou know I'm talking about.
It's like almost like aclaymation and cgi kind of movie
where she goes and the host ofthis like a vampire or something

(41:45):
like that.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I cannot remember what the little girl said to me
later, I'm sure, but she'sdressed up like a fairy
godmother or something like that.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
That's how I know my vampire history from this
Cartoon Network thing.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
That's what we call a deep cut.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
So then, because as soon as, like that, that bouncer
, he, you know, or even theother guys before, like the
three people, like they tried,they obviously made it hard,
like hey, invite us in.
You know, like why can't youjust walk in?
Obviously made it hard like hey, invite us in, you know, like
why can't you just walk in?
So, anyways, I still feel likeI'm missing a lot of stuff that
I want to talk about, but like Idon't want to get too too, too
much away.
Yeah, I would some spoilers,but like still, um, I there's a

(42:25):
lot of mystery built aroundthese twins and oh, by the way,
I didn't tell you, but like Ifinished invincible, and the
reason I bring this up isbecause the twins in there um I
feel like if they were the sameexact person, we talked about
how they're a little bitdifferent.
If they're the same exact person, they will be just like those
twins in invincible, you knowI'm glad they weren't exactly um

(42:46):
, but there's a lot of mysterybuilt in behind these twins,
like what really happened tothem.
It's like that, even like theirown cousin didn't know what
happened to their father andthey finally told the story.
I almost wish it was a littlebit more mystery, like they tell
them what happened to the dad,like he killed him when he was a
kid because he was being theshit out of him.
I wish there was like severaldifferent stories that we heard,

(43:08):
kind of like the joker, alittle bit kind of like a
joker-esque like have adifferent origin story yeah, a
little bit, just a little bitmore mystery like, because more
mystery equals more danger to myeyes yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
But in this one, the only thing I'd say is like it
shows that background reallyhighlighted the difference
between them, because you knowhe was like well, he used to
beat him more than he beat me soit kind of like makes more
sense, why one's more trustingand one's more, like you know,
hard, like I don't know moreaggressive in that way.
So even those small detailskind of just sprinkled in way

(43:41):
more character work.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Well, even the preacher boy.
He got the guitar and he askedSmokey, where'd you get this?
And when he's like, oh, westole, we want it, or something
like that from I can't rememberthe guitarist name, but it was a
famous guitarist at the time.
And from yeah, I can't rememberthe guitarist name, but it was
a famous guitarist at the time,and he was all excited at the
very end of the movie uh, what'shis name?
Stacks?
Hey, you need to bury theguitar.

(44:02):
Like no, I can't, it'sso-and-so's guitar.
He's like who told you that?
So right away, like from thatone line alone, I feel like
everything you said in the movie.
We don't know if it was true ornot so that was kind of the
same thing, I guess.
Like we don't really know thetrue origin story.
I would hope at least um, but Ithought that was like there's
so many small details like that,like ryan coogler was so genius

(44:23):
about making um, we can getinto the vampire stuff at the
same time.
This is going on.
There's also a side story withthe vampires.
They're being chased by somelocal indians that are like
basically the ghostbusters ofvampires and he read they chase
into this one house where theirclans, members and stuff like
that, and like there's rules notrules, but like things that

(44:47):
happen.
The vampires that we learnedthroughout the whole way, like
obviously, one, they can't be insunlight.
Two, they have to be invited insomeone's house.
Like, and if you get bitten bya vampire, yeah, you're gonna
turn into a vampire, but youalso gain a knowledge.
It's like a hive mind yeah,hive mind.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I did think that was really interesting, because you
don't typically see that invampire movies um, and they make
the point to be like, you know,the one that turned you.
That's not how it worked, youknow, like and I think that was
also the beautiful part.
They also said up front there'sno saving them.
Once they're a vampire, they'redonezo.
Yeah, the only way you couldkind of save them is by either

(45:27):
killing them with a steak knife.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Not a steak knife, a wooden, a heart with wood.
Yeah, wooden steak and, I guess, clothes I don't know if the
clothes would really kill themor holy water maybe.
I don't know if those wouldreally kill.
Oh, obviously sunlight wouldkill them.
I think those are the two mainthings, but there is a scene too
, where they think one of theI'm still getting ahead of

(45:51):
myself.
Let's go back a little bit.
Let's go back to the actualjuke joint, like how it's open
and stuff like that.
How wild and crazy it got.
Like it was incredible spot.
It was a pop in place.
How about that scene wherepreacher boy is playing his is
the blues, he's playing theblues.
But then it transitioned toshow like all african history,
like with music, like there'ship-hop there, there's twerking

(46:13):
music, there's fucking I'mtrying to think Jazz a little
bit.
It's going all over the place.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
When it switches from the band his string guitar to
the futuristic and then the DJ.
I knew I was in for somethingEasily.
I don't know how it took usthis long.
My favorite scene in the movieand it's not even close, and
with that being a one-er likeyou, like, with the camera
rotating and everyone that Ithis is his magnus opal, like

(46:42):
this, genuinely you, when hesays he put his soul into this
move, that's going to besomething that people talk about
for a long time and I get it.
It's not going to work foreverybody, because even the
girl's working.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah, it's kind of like threw me off there.
The first one was like rock androll, I think, and um, I didn't
like it at first but then asthey went around, like oh shit,
this is kind of cool, it's kindof lit actually.
And then like um, there waseven like a little bit of asian
history music in there too forthe asian characters and like
ryan coogler's so symbolic inhis movies.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
There's some symbolic scenes in the next movie we're
gonna talk about um, like to thepoint where, like the place,
like it burns down and they'rejust dancing like stuff, like it
was incredible incredible andthey teed it up perfectly with
being like you know, they mayhave brought us over here and
they may have done this to us,this to us, but music like the
blues we brought, that likethat's our, like ancestors, and

(47:33):
for that to be the scene thattees it up, man, I, I was in awe
.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I absolutely loved it yeah, yeah, didn't need that.
This movie scene movie did notneed that scene, but it was just
like him giving back to theaudience on that's what I mean
it was important and this is whyyou go see this.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
in imax the aspect ratio changed.
I don't know, man, I'm about toget giddy.
That was so incredible.
I was very happy If I wouldhave saw that at home or
watching it on the airplane.
That would have been the worstmood of my life.
You got to see this on the bigscreen.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
This is also around the same time where the vampires
come into play too.
Like I said, an hour and a halfin out of those two hours and
17 minutes, the vampires comeinto play.
They try to get hard to getinvited in.
They kick them out.
They say no originally, butthey decided to hang around and
play music in the parking lot.
I did not know, vampires areIrish.
First of all, they were singingjibs and stuff like that.

(48:31):
Doing an Irish jib and singingfolk music like that.
Hailee Steinfeld goes out therebecause they need money for the
place, because they're goingunder Again.
I don't know how they tell thatfrom the first five hours of
the night they need money, sothey go out there and see if
they got money and they givethem gold.
And this is also where.
How about the subtle scenewhere she gets attacked?

(48:53):
You don't see her get bitten,but you see him jump, you fly,
yeah, and also, like you said,this movie was inspired a little
bit by puss in boots the lastwish, something like that.
Yeah, specifically the eyes,like these vampires have glowing
red eyes, just like the movieis.
Puss in boots, I thought I meanit looked cool on screen.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
It looks so cool, but and for sure the horror movie
trope, like I had people in mytheater being like girl, go,
like, run away, like y'all, you,y'all are being too chill right
now yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,hayley goes.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah, she did.
They gave off creepy vibes toolike it was the fact that she
just sat down next to him likeright, you're surrounded right
you were nervous about thembeing clans member and even
though she's white, she shouldstill be scared that the clan
members because like okay,you're hanging around with these
black people like, you're likethinking you're one of them or
something like that they easilykilled her.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
You're one of these black baby I read.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I read too, that she did a lot of research in her own
history, like, yeah, that istrue, that is accurate, I didn't
know that.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah yeah, I'm just saying, if I have the need to
bring my you know, my greatcommunicator with me to a
conversation, I'm not gonna gosit in the middle like the
people are.
Like who are the threat?

Speaker 1 (50:11):
that's just crazy work um, yeah, she's using that
when, anything like I'm invitedto the barbecue now yeah.
So then um yeah she's going toa juke joint yeah, she goes back
to the juke joint where shelike flirts with smoky a little
bit and then, like they end uphooking up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
There's a lot of blood in this movie too.
First of all Yo, when she goesback in there and she goes full
freak.
This movie's freaky, by the way.
There's some like out of pocketrated R section.
Yeah, how about that?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
once he really goes to his old lady rated r section
uh, how about that?
Once you really think, uh,stack, what's the name stack.
Uh goes to that, his old ladylike yeah, grabs his crotch,
yeah yeah, she said your bodyremembers me.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I'm sitting there like movie.
Are we in bro?

Speaker 1 (51:05):
yeah, that's funny.
I also like, too, that theydidn't discriminate, like having
michael b jordan B Jordan, witha model type.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Oh yeah, the differences.
Yeah, especially like that's areally good point actually,
because it would have been veryeasy to do, but no, you got all
body sizes, all types.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I was generally surprised by that Good for her.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Good for him.
He clearly liked it, left itfor everybody involved and that
was a good like relationship too.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
We see, like the cop, like a dilemma, like killing,
having to kill her at the end,so, and then like you didn't
realize this, but like she waspregnant, because she does make
a couple references like, well,there's somebody waiting for me
on the side, there's somebodywaiting for you too.
I thought she was talking abouthis dad, maybe.
I was like, is she sleepingwith the dad too?
Like what the fuck was that?

Speaker 2 (51:58):
no, well, that's what ?
Yeah, oh that, because they'reuh, yeah, their baby died yeah,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
So going back to it like she's sleeping with the dad
is crazy that's what I was likeconfused about.
Um smokes gets killed or eatenby a vamp, like uh bitten by a
vampire I thought stack, stacksgot killed right.
No, I'm pretty positive ofsmokes, um, stacks was the
businessman straight side, one,um.
So that's what I'm saying.

(52:26):
It's a little bit too hard.
I can tell some of these timesthe beat and one of the early
parts when they were like intown, it was easier to tell
because it went out of blue hat,one of the party.
It was a little bit different.
So, anyways, they get killedand they start realizing what's
happening.
It's like, oh shit, it'svampires.
And then they, like one of the,that lady is like an expert on
vampires.
Apparently she, she, he's avoodoo lady you always got a

(52:48):
little crazy booty and theystarted doing stuff like you
know, like closing all the doors, no one can be let in.
I would be tricked so easily tosaying, yeah, come on in, or
something like that.
You know, like if one of themcomes in, like let me just get
my stuff and I'll get going, Iwas like, all right, come on.
I would be tricked so freakingeasy no man, you gotta.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
This is why you need to hang around more black people
.
I knew immediately that I wasoh hell, no.
And it was the fact that theywere like it took them so long,
like what's going on.
I was like nope, nope, yeah.
The moment he said why you'vebeen, you've been ending out of
here all day, why you needpermission now, and yeah
absolutely the bouncer.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
He was like that too, like he was trying hard to get
let in there, and they're like,why can't you just do it, like
you said?
That was a good scene.
And then he's like, all right,just give him money, so get out
of here.
I was like, I was like that wasan easy trap.
Like why would you do that?
Of course he grabs him and he'sso quick with the gun too.
He grabs him about, bite himand shoots his head.
Doesn't even affect him too.
He gets right up yep and um,and it's hard because it's like

(53:53):
you know, these are your familygetting eaten and stuff like
that.
Like you're the family that arevampires.
Now, like it's a big dilemma,especially with the asian couple
too.
Like, yeah, so there's a wholebig epic battle too.
I don't want to go too muchinto it because it's it's just
too visually incredible.
Um and this is where I thinkpeople get confused a little bit
what?
There's a lot going on too.
There's only like eight of themfighting an army, but yet they

(54:15):
still have time to talk to eachother.
Like that scene where, like,his girl gets killed and he has
to stab her.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I was like, yeah, good, like two minutes long and
like there's like 50 vampiresfighting off and like two of
them got eaten yeah, and to thepoint where they had time to be
like no, don't kill her, andthen he did it, and then they
were just like, yeah, that did.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah, that part was a little weird, um how about the
scene, too, where they're eatinggarlic too, like they they each
take around just in case?
One of them is a vampire andthen one singer.
She's like I don't want to dothis, that's nasty.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
And then he immediately pulls a gun on her
and, like you know, preacher boy, like what are you crazy?
I'm trying to keep you alive.
That is where I was likegetting my most frustrated.
I was like, obviously, likewe're all gonna do this, I don't
care if you don't like thetaste of garlic, you dumb idiots
and then the old man is havingthat reaction just because he it
tastes gross too oh man, delroylindo, that's my.

(55:09):
He was so funny in this.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
He was so amazing.
He plays a perfect character,yeah, so then you know there's a
big epic battle.
One of the rules is too likeyou can't if you kill the one
who bits them, like that's notgonna kill everyone.
Like you get to kill one by one.
But I was kind of confused toowhen preacher boys like hits him
with the guitar and you know hegets the, the main one gets

(55:34):
hurt in the head.
All of them felt it well they.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
They talked about that because, um right, when
annie, like the voodoo lady,before she gets bit, she had
said they all feel what he feels.
It slowed down.
So that part made, they tookthe time for that.
But they also said but if youkill him it doesn't mean they
come back to life.

(55:57):
So they had rules to it whichworked for me.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah, and that's also the point where Haley
Seinfeld's character runs off to.
And then Michael Bordan likehas the dilemma, like killing
his own brother, and there's ascene like I tried, like I
protected you, and he goes likeyou still are.
How about the part, too, like,where he puts on a vest, too
like that reminded me so much ofblade right there that worked.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
That worked and like it was just the energy that he
brought, like he was yeah, hewas ready yeah, man man such a
good actor yeah and then he endsup getting away.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Then we see it go to the end of the movie, where it's
just also the beginning of themovie too, like where he and
then we'd see a little bit toolike I felt like this wasn't
necessary, but it was cool tosee like where um stack stays
behind the juke place to killthe clans.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Member everything that just happened.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Everything just happened like nah, I still got a
little more fight in me, yeah,yeah, yeah, with tactical like
this guy.
Now, he had time to prepare and, like this guy, if he had time
to prepare for the vampires, heprobably would have killed
everybody, I mean like everyonewould have survived, I should
say he, uh, he was a soldier,you know yeah, it was incredible
to see that scene too, like itwasn't, it didn't need to be

(57:13):
done.
I was like, even when it washappening, like I'm kind of
surprised, like this is even inthe movie, like yeah, it
definitely was tacked on, butI'm never going to be upset
about yeah, you know, that's allthat's.
That was what gave us a powerfulscene too, like with this girl
that died and, you know, likethe newborn baby.
So that also gave mereassurance, like okay, they
really were put to rest then.
Yeah yeah and um the son, likepreacher boy, goes back to the

(57:37):
church.
I mean, how do you go on withlife after that?
How do you go on like livingthe well?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
100 would have been the question I asked.
But you know, cutting to theending, he said like once a week
I wake up paralyzed with fear,just reliving that night like
and I think that was a veryimportant like this man is not
okay, but he's letting it out inhis music, would you like?

Speaker 1 (58:02):
would you think you would like dedicate your life to
like fighting vampires afterthat?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
no hell, no see, listen, I lived.
I'd be shocked if I toldsomebody about it.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
I lived and I, now that I know the devil is real,
like knows my name, but I meanlike I, I would be looking over
my shoulder, everything like,especially because the vampire
said we came here because of you, specifically you, you, john.
I would be like learningeverything I can about them, if
I can.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Well, I guess, if you're asking me, we saw him
when he was old.
I would be in the best shape ofmy life.
Forever.
I'd be practicing runningmarathons.
I'd be like a very I'm already.
I'd join again.
I would make sure that I wasthe most prepped person there's.
I'm not leaving the housewithout garlic and like one of

(58:50):
those you know, industrialfloodlights, I'm not playing
around.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Yeah, um, you know we're talking about the end
credit scene here too.
Like this cuts forward to the90s now and this is where we
learn that preacher boys looksuccessful, successful blues and
jazz player and he's verypopular.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
He's at a bar having a drink did you notice the name
of the bar?
No, it was Perlene's, namedafter the girl that he hooked up
with.
Oh really, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
She died too.
Yeah, she was a vampire.
Someone goes, hey, we got thesetwo people that wanted to pay
to just just uh, hear you singone last song.
I was like, all right, that'sfine.
I was like bitch, like, aftereverything that happened tonight
, I'll be on caution to a t,even if it's like 90 years later
well, he and's the thing hesaid all right, y'all can come

(59:45):
on in, and as soon as he saidthat yeah, why are you inviting
people?
Yeah, in that sense, as you cantell, he's still on guard there,
I think as an audience, like wewere all shocked to see them
them walk through the door.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah All of them, gasp.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
And it was pretty cool to see them all 90s out too
with their gear and somethinglike that and um.
They had that heartwarmingconversation, like, yeah, like
he said, my brother couldn'tkill me as long as I promised
never to touch you again.
Yeah, and I was like, okay,then why the fuck are you there?
Like, are you gonna kill himnow?
But I loved how they did it.
I liked how they did it likethey just kept that word and um,

(01:00:22):
probably because, like herealized he's the only family he
has left, yep and um.
They had that conversation likethat line where he goes like,
hey, before the sun went down,that was the best day of my life
.
Was it like that for you?
And he was yeah, of course,that was the last time I saw my
brother.
That was last time I saw thesun.
It.

(01:00:43):
It was so emotional, like that.
There was a very, very, veryend credit scene.
None of you stood around forthat.
Yeah, did you?
I didn't.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I saw it on tiktok later well, we, we just happened
to be in there, but the thislittle light of mine yeah, which
is also the song that I wassinging in the church when he
came back from um that night.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Um, incredible, incredible movie.
I'm gonna go see this again.
I wanted to see it yesterday,but I didn't have time to um, I
want, I'm for sure gonna go seethis again.
I want to take everybody to gosee this movie.
I think it was phenomenal.
What would you give us one outof?

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
ten.
I gave it a nine a nine.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
No, I gave it a ten.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
I give it like rare because, well listen, it's more
of my own personal thing.
I try not to give a movie a 10until I see it twice oh yeah,
it's at my threshold of like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
The best I can give it right now is a nine, but it's
going to go up I I thoughtabout I was gonna give it a nine
, but then I hard Like, whatcould they have done to make it
a 10?
I was like nothing, it'salready, that's true, that's
true.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
It's literally nothing else that I could have
wanted from the movie man Ifantastic dude, this is a mother
fricking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
This is a good movie.
I've not stopped thinking aboutthis movie since I seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Like it kept me up last night.
It kept me up last night.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
That's when you said you wanted to do this.
In the morning I was hyped.
As soon as I walked to thetheater, I texted or messaged
three other movie reviewers onInstagram about this movie.
We were all talking about it.
It was incredible.
Definitely worth watching.
Sinners.
Congrats to Michael B Jordanand Ryan Coogler.
All the success.
Would you want a sequel to this?

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
movie?
No, but let me tell yousomething right now.
If kevin feige isn't backing upa money truck to ryan coogler's
door to get him to direct blade, he's out of his mind that
would be out of his mind as faras right now, like that movie's
on permanent hold if it's onpermanent hold?
They don't.
The director's already notattached?

(01:02:47):
I think they just lost thewriter again.
You have a dude who just madeblack panther and black panther
2 already in the mcu.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Give them the keys to the castle michael b jordan
even said that, um, he hates.
He's never been a fan of horrormovies and like that, but this
is like his.
The reason why he wanted to dothis movie is to get in there,
like to feel more secure abouthim, and he killed it for a
first horror movie.
And, um, I I talked about ryancoogler having a lot of
inspiration, like this movie waslike the at least the
plantation parts was inspired byhis uncles and stuff like that

(01:03:18):
and he took.
He said he had like a mentaltoll, like I think in the doing
black panther he had an unclepass away who was, I think, the
one who inspired this movie.
Um, and then doing other movieshe like two more uncles passed
away, something like that.
So he said he got a mental tolllike like, uh, just being in
the business away because he wasaway from family all those

(01:03:38):
times, like he's family memberspassing away, and he had some
words of encouragement from hisfamily.
And and also I don't know ifyou've seen that interview where
Ryan Coogler was on thatpodcast with Shahid Goofy yeah,
shahid Goofy where he talksabout Michael B Jordan Not
Michael B Jordan, sorry,chadwick, boseman, chadwick and
how much of an inspiration andcomforting.

(01:03:58):
He was with him too.
I'm sure he helped him a lotwith that.
It was a great interview.
If anyone with a lot with thatum, it was a great interview
every.
And if anyone wanted to seemore of rand coogler in his
thought process, definitely gocheck out that interview.
But he takes a lot ofinspiration from his personal
life too.
So if they were doing a sequel,I don't think he would have as
much inspiration as he did forthis one.
So I don't think he'll do asgood if he were to do a sequel

(01:04:20):
to it and also like, if they doa sequel, it'd be interesting
different times, like I wouldhope michael b jordan comes back
to do it, if they do, becausethat'd be cool to see what he's
been up to, like those 70 years,because you don't age like it.
He even gives the option to his, his little cousin.
I could bite you right now andyou could live forever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Your music can go on in infinity like, yeah, I don't
need a sequel man, I think youyou closed a book on this and
then let him go write and directsomething else that is you know
as inspiring, that he actuallycares about.
Would you get, because you knowwhat?
Actually, here's my rant.
If, because you know what, Idon't want another joker 2

(01:04:58):
situation where the first moviewas fantastic and then you're
forced to make this and it turnsout to be dog shit and I say
that well, the director isn'tready for that one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Like I feel like he did that intentionally too,
because he was like he didn'twant.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
He didn't want to do it never, because he's a
respectable human being, butyeah he didn't want to do a
sequel.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
I was like, all right , here you go, he goes.
A piece of shit yeah, just sayno next time yeah that was a
good comparison we're gonnatransition to and also um
another michael b jordan ryancoogan movie, their first
collaboration.
Very like, let's keep out.
12 years ago, in 2013, michaelb jordan was a baby.

(01:05:38):
Here we're gonna talk aboutfruitvale station, based on a
true story of two events thathappened in early 2008 2009, if
I'm not mistaken um, do youremember that stuff happening
like this?
For those who don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I didn't um, initially I saw this movie like
in 2018, ish, 2017, maybe so,like when I watched it I kind of
remembered it, but when or atthe end I remembered it because
it did the you know recap, butwhile watching it I didn't.
I mean, this is young too, man,we were you know, we were in
high school when the movie cameout.
No, we were in middle school.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for those who don't know,
this movie is about the story ofoscar grant the third, a 22 22
year old bay area resident whocrosses paths with friends,
enemies and family and strangers.
On the last day of 2008.
This movie was written anddirected by ryan coogler.
It's a true story.
Um, it's a very, very shortmovie.

(01:06:31):
It's only an hour 25 minutesand I told you when I, when I
talked to you, when I messagedthis message about this movie, I
was like I'm gonna have hottakes on it.
It's my hot take, this movie.
Nothing happens in this movieexcept for the last 20 minutes
of this movie.
I was bored as shit through thewhole movie.
So obviously, I mean, this iswhat I'm talking about.

(01:07:00):
They gain skills andstorytelling from the centers.
You can argue the same thing.
Nothing really happens untilthe end of that movie too.
But the whole reason of thatlike you spending this time with
a character to gain, likethey're, like, you want to feel
emotion for them, you want tolike to be attached to them.
So when the ending happens,you're more affected by it.

(01:07:20):
I I mean, this is stuff likethis wasn't too long ago too, so
like this is like.
I don't know if I watched a dayin my life which I guess that
was the whole point of itscomparison.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
That was the whole point of it.
That's what I'm trying to tellyou, man, that that is literally
it.
It was just how normal the daycould be until everything
changes.
So okay, now let's just say itlike that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Now let's just say it like that now, let's just say
like that.
But I mean the whole point wascharacter development too, which
I don't think there was anycharacter development, because I
felt like we missed all thecharacter development from his
past life.
Like at this point he's alreadychanged man, he's trying to do
right by his, his, uh, his babymama and his kid.
He's like trying to fix thingsor their relationship, but also
the same time he just got firedso he's trying to look for a new
job.

(01:08:04):
I mean I feel like everythingthat would have changed him we
already happened.
We didn't see that and thenthere wasn't.
So there's to me there was nocharacter development from that.
Um, there is when I talk aboutryan coogler does a lot of
symbolic, uh, things in thismovie that's seen with a dog.
I was like being killed like adog in the street and no one

(01:08:24):
being around, no one reallycared, no one batting an eye.
Why are you caring?
Same thing.
And also this movie ended Imean began with the ending too,
just like the previous movie too.
And I was trying to buy.
Did he do that with creed andblack panther?
I was thinking, but I can'tremember, like that might be his
calling card.
So I mean, yeah, the movie wasjust him like living his life,

(01:08:46):
like trying to stay sober.
Not trying to stay sober, butlike trying to stay straight by,
like not selling dope, tryingto find another job, trying to
get his job back and also beinga good family man, like he's a
good family man to his mother,to his sister.
Um, there's a couple scenes.
I felt like that was added forno extra reason, but he said it.
I guess it was just supposed tobe a normal day, like his sister
calling yeah, it was the last24 hours of him being alive so

(01:09:07):
and he seemed like he I mean,I'm not trying to throw shade on
you, but he reminded me a lotof you like he seemed like a
very positive man.
Like, even though he was not hedidn't have a job, he's still
putting on a brave face.
Like he's seemed like a verypositive man.
I can tell right, michael bjordan was so young in his
career he didn't figure out.

(01:09:27):
He hasn't figured out how tocuss, because every time he
cussed it just like it raised myears like it's kind of weird
and I hated.
I mean, this is like actuallylike probably director's choice,
something like that, like himsaying bruh bruh bruh, it's 2013
, man it bothered me so much.

(01:09:50):
Um, it's a very short movie, theactually.
I want to give her a shout outtoo, because the baby mama in
this movie, his girlfriend.
I liked her a lot.
Hold on melanie diaz who playssofia.
She was good in this movie andalso like I was surprised to see
Octavia Spencer in this movieplaying his mother.
There was a time this movieonly had a budget of $900,000.

(01:10:13):
And for those listening, that'snothing basically.
That's him like filming onactual streets, like actual
houses probably, and they didn'thave time to build studios or
money to build studios.
octavia spencer, um, lowered herrate just so they could have
the budget for this movie I meanshe probably just wanted to be

(01:10:33):
a part of it because it's animpactful story, because it's
like our george floyd that justhappened not too long ago.
It's the same exact thing likea cop goes out of control, like,
and the power gets to his headand he does a mistake, or he he
shoots a black man for noapparent reason and riots start
after that.
I wish they could have shown alittle bit of the riot stuff

(01:10:54):
after the movie too, but I don'tknow yeah, and that's like you
know you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
You asked me earlier.
I was like you were surprisedthat I picked this one and it
really was to me just the, youknow difference of like where
they started.
Cause this is, you know, thisis Ryan Coogler.
He was, less than you know, twoyears out of college, you know,
when he made this and it waslike almost a student film, like
he, he barely got finance andForrest Whitaker like produced

(01:11:19):
it for him and he was just likehey, michael, you know, I know
you're this good actor, do youmind being in my movie to help
me out?
Low budget.
And it went on to like be afestival darling and it just
really showed from such, youknow, his first feature film
debut that he had the skills andwe've been able to watch it,

(01:11:39):
you know, grow and developthroughout all this time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
And we talked about you just mentioned.
It was in the festivals, Ibelieve Sundance festivals
festival um they got picked uptwo days after showing which was
, you know the forbidden name,the wine scene company.
Um, he got picked up andreleased, which is incredible,
like which is every uhfilmmaker's dream, you know yep,
because I think the only theit's one of the most successful.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
It's.
This and whiplash have beenlike the most like successful
coming out of Sundance.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
That with an honorable mention of Napoleon
dynamite.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
And it was such a big hit too.
And I believe this movieliterally came out the same week
as the release of the officerthat killed him.
Oh really, yeah, I read thattoo.
Um, also, the mother, the realmother of oscar grant makes a
cameo in this movie too.
She plays a preschool teacher.
I don't know if you knew thatoh I didn't.
Yeah, so it's I.

(01:12:40):
This movie isn't streaminganywhere, which is like kind of
a shame.
I had to rent this movie.
It's it's a good watch.
It's it's a very quick watch,like very quick.
Sometimes if I start a movie atnight, like if I'm watching for
the podcast, I'll stop midwayand finish the next day.
No, that's only an hour 20minutes.
I was able to finish this oneone quick watch through.
Let's do it, and it was goodfor its time because I mean, man

(01:13:05):
, it's taking me back with theflip phones and everything like
that too.
Uh, how you're texting stufflike that.
And then the like the scenes,like the prison scene, because
you do get a little bit offlashback.
I mentioned, like how there'sno um character development.
There are scenes in there totry to do that where it flashes
back to him in jail.
I don't I'm assuming the gangstuff maybe, or something like

(01:13:26):
that, like related, uh, why hewas in there, because he has
beef with someone in there whocatches him outside in um, which
uh that was so tragic.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Like he, it was somebody he met in a good way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Hey, oscar I know, I know damn and then this guy
overheard, like oscar the name Iwas like and it triggered him
like hey, is this motherfuckerfrom jail, you know?
And they actually shot thatscene at fruitvale station and
the bullet hole is still there,from as far when I read this uh
fact about I don't know if it'sstill there right now, but they

(01:13:58):
shot where he was laying wasactually where the bullet hole
was, which is incredible, likevery impactful.
Um, I think this is also well astart of the friendship between
michael and ryan and um, Ithink this is also where michael
b jordan caught the bug too,like to be directing on the side
side of it too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Yep, yep especially, like you know, going from here
two years later not even to, uh,to creed, like you can tell
like both of them develop.
And then that's like thebeautiful part about going back
to that interview where he saidyou know, chadwick had such a
big influence on both of them.
This is also like where, youknow, michael B Jordan has
always been a star, but prettymuch post this going into Creed,

(01:14:36):
was his, his real breakoutmoment too.
It's like now this next levelfor him.
He's learning how to do thisCoog, he's learning how to do
this kugler's, learning how tobe like a truly fantastic
director.
It's all this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
This is these are the good moments, man I know we're
always gonna have thatconversation like man, where
would he be at if chad was stillalive?
Like his career too, I wouldlove to see more collapse
between all three of them.
Yeah, it would have beenincredible.
Um, how would you, how do youfeel about like michael b jordan
come out and say, yeah, hewould love to work with Jonathan
Majors in another Creed movie?
Again he's coming out almostdefending him, saying, yeah,

(01:15:12):
he's a good guy, I want to workwith him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Listen, no comment.
I've got very strong opinionsabout this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Have you seen Magazine Dreams yet?
No, no, I kind of heard it'scrazy though I don't know if
it's in theater still, but I dowant to watch it I want to watch
it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Everyone is saying, though, that you know, if it
would have came out when it wassupposed to, he would have been
nominated for an oscar.
That's all I'm saying.
What a shame, and you know,kank the conqueror.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
So which I don't know .
Other rumors that marvel stillconsidering bringing him back,
but I don't know because a lotof allegations got dropped too
and debunked got dropped.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
What he got, you know , charged for was the thing that
we all saw happen, you know.
So it's like I just think thatyou know, in a world where so
many actors and actresses, orjust people in real life, have
done crazy things and have beennot accepted but, you know,
serve their time, so to speak,and have made a redemption run,

(01:16:10):
it's crazy to me if we just saythat he's written off forever,
that that would just.
That's a waste of everything.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Yeah, I don't know marvel's teeing up some good
stuff though, yeah, but listen,you know it's all personal views
as well like, if you don't wantto support a movie that he's in
, that's 100%, absolutely Okay.
You know, if Michael B Jordanlike they really built that
relationship in Creed, obviously, and you know everything else,
and he was there when Michael BJordan got his star Like I can

(01:16:38):
absolutely see Jordan being likeknow this dude and he deserves
another chance.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
I don't think that should be controversial to say.
There's also, uh, talks aboutrecasting um black panther too.
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
I'm I'm actually okay with it at this point.
Yeah, I'm okay with it.
I I'd want um the dude fromsnowfall.
Uh, would be my that would begood.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Um what's his name?
Denzel's son.
I would like him too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Oh, I don't think that first off, he's short and
maybe this is just a personalthing, because Tom Cruise is
also short and you know I lovehis, but he doesn't have like
the stature of a black man.
He's a great actor, but I thinkyou got to have both like
Chadwick.
He walks on screen and there'sthat gravitas right.
Like chadwick, he walks onscreen and there's that gravitas

(01:17:27):
right like he's, theintimidation is seeping through.
He said as as uh, both, uh,warrior and king.
Do you think you can stop melike that?
that should mean something to meI mean if, if michael b jordan
wasn't already killed monger, hewould have been called black
panther too yeah, agreed yeah Iactually after this, after
watching go ahead, black panther, to be like it needs, to be
like dark skin you know, yeah, Iagree with that too, but after

(01:17:47):
seeing sinners I did want to goback.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
I'm probably gonna do it tonight like rewatch black
panther dude, I'm watching creedjust gets you in the mood.
Uh, go back to fruit salestation real quick.
We did you ready.
What would you rate it?

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
one out of ten I think I gave it a uh originally
like it.
You know, for me the storyobviously has a little bit more
impact here.
Um so a solid 7.5.
I was gonna say especially forwhat it was doing.
So, yeah, it worked for me nice, we're on the same page.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
I gave about seven um .
A lot of times where I get myfacts from is imbd, like the,
the trivia stuff.
I don't know why this is onhere, but like it says, listen
as listed as Billy Eich'sfavorite movie.
I was like, okay, I don't care,okay, thanks.
Billy who hurt you.
She probably wrote a song basedon a song.
Yeah, it was great movie Pigs,great movie Sinners.

(01:18:38):
I'm probably going to seeanother again.
Next episode I'm going to bedoing the Accountant 2.
I'm excited for that too.
But have you seen the equalizerfranchise?
Yeah, of course I'm.
I'm nervous.
It's gonna be like that where,like by the third one, third one
, it's gonna be completelydifferent story, different
character, almost I'll tell you,um, I love the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
It was just like truly didn't watch it in the
theater, like guys night.
We threw it on and ended up andall of my friends ended up
loving it and I hadn't reallythought about it too much ever.
And then when they announcedthe second one, I was like okay,
why, I guess?
And I have gone out of my wayto really avoid trailers lately,
I don't know, I'm just in thisphase, but obviously at the

(01:19:21):
theater you sit and watch BeforeCenters, they showed the
trailer for accountant 2.
I was like damn, I think I'mreally gonna love this movie.
So john bernthal is you know,he's in it way more and he's uh,
he's my guy uh, I talked aboutthis movie a little bit last
episode, but did you see theamateur?

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
of course?
Yeah, it was fucking amazing,right?
Yeah, yeah, I listed it.
I was because I've been fallingbehind my letterbox.
I just went through thismorning to update all my
letterbox stuff and I was likethinking about that movie.
I was like it's a great watch.
I don't think I'll feel thesame way during a second watch
so that's I saw.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
I think you gave it a four on letterbox.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
I did and I just did that right now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
I gave it three and a half um, and it was purely
based on.
I was like, yeah, because Iguess at the end of the day,
this felt more not Netflix-y tome, but it felt like you know,
like that screaming thriller,and it worked.
But I was like I don't know ifI'm ever jumping to watch this
again, but it is a really goodmovie.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Now that you know like everything that's going to
happen and I was like, yeah, Idon't think I'll be excited to
see this movie as again, unless,like, I bring somebody who
hasn't seen this for the firsttime, like I might do, like,
enjoy watching that a little bit, but even then I'm willing to
be like we can watch it when itcomes out again.
Sinners, I'm going back thisweek I'm like sprinting back to
my theater yeah, other than that, um, april has been an okay

(01:20:41):
month.
Coming back to theaters, may isgoing to be pretty good.
There's Thunderbolts, whichticket pre-sales aren't doing
that great.
That's what they expected to be, but the marketing has been
crazy.
I'm excited for it $750 million.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
That's my prediction.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Oh, that's a good prediction.
We should start doing those too.
I'm going to lowball it.
I'm going to do $600.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
All lowball it.
I'm gonna do 600, okay, allright.
Um, I think it's gonna be agood movie.
I I've liked everything I'veseen so far and I you know the
hype is not there, but I thinkthis is gonna be a true word of
mouth movie.
So what's?

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
because?
Like, yeah, it has to be a wordof mouth, because, like
everyone lost trust in themarvel down dude like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
No one wants to waste their time um, they're gonna be
relying on us yeah, they'regonna be relying on us to go
watch it and let them knowdaredevil just finished up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
I have yet to catch up on that, but I heard nothing
but great things about it.
Um, also new mission impossibleand lilo stitches coming out
for the month of may.
Um, trying to think what elseis oh the new?
Um, what's the bloodlines movie?
What's a bicycle?
Final destination bloodlines iscoming out.

(01:21:48):
Oh yeah, no, I see I was sittinglike this in the theater for
that trailer I wanted you tocome up for that episode too,
but I was like he's not gonnawatch, I'm not watching that
movie.
I was like I'll catch you intheaters for lilo and stitch,
yeah, but yeah, and then, uh,june, I think, if not mistaken,
jurassic world's gonna be there.
There's kind of good moviescoming out.

(01:22:09):
Um, there's a lot of monka,because I want to go see
minecraft, and all thosetrailers are different than the
other ones because, like it'sall kids movies.
Like I forgot that it's comingout with a smurf movie that
looks stupid.
Um, you know, there's otherkids movies that I'm not that
excited to see.
Uh, obviously, I'm really justwaiting for Superman and
Fantastic Four.
It's going to be an interestingmonth for them to see the

(01:22:29):
comparisons.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Yeah, that's going to be the movie Literally going
from.
That's my big three MissionImpossible, superman and
Fantastic Four Mission.
Impossible is your big three,dude, dude.
I'm telling you that is my mostanticipated movie of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
So Lilo and Stitch and Mission Impossible come on
the same day.
Which one are you going to gosee first?

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
It's not close, I'm going to sandwich it.
I'm going to watch MissionImpossible, I'm going to go
watch Lilo and Stitch and I'mgoing back to watch Mission
Impossible.
Nice, nice.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Alright Brandon.
Well, thank you so much forcoming on.
It was a great episode.
Great movie is longer episodethan I thought it was going to
be, but, um, it's impossible notto talk as much as we did about
this movie.
We could have probably wentlonger, but for sure.
Um, next week it's going to bethe account two with uh
recurring guests well, for thesecond time on the podcast, pat,
and then glenn's coming backfor the thunderbolts after that.

(01:23:20):
So I'm excited the next coupleweeks.
Um, thank you for listening.
Subscribe to us on Letterboxdand the TikTok pages and
Instagram.
Thank you and I'll see you nextweek.
Stay tuned next week where I'llbe saving you a seat.
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