October 6, 2023 • 47 mins
Calling all movie buffs and pop culture enthusiasts! Get ready for an enthralling journey as we welcome back Funcle Hipster, the charismatic co-host of Culture Dudes podcast. Funcle and his nephew Justin are known for their dynamic generational perspectives, and they're here to inject it into our discussion on the legendary Indiana Jones series. We kick things off with Harrison Ford's iconic portrayal in "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny", exploring how this actor has made an indelible mark on the cinematic universe.
Prepare your popcorn as we move to our second act, featuring "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". Did you know Tom Selleck played a significant role in the casting process? Or that this film led to the introduction of the PG-13 rating? We'll also be reminiscing about the magic of watching films in the theater - an experience that certainly adds an extra dimension to the film-watching process.
Finally, we'll give you an insider's look into the Indiana Jones franchise, highlighting John Williams' timeless music scores, and the jaw-dropping special effects from Industrial Light and Magic. We also discuss the on-screen chemistry of Harrison Ford and Sean Connery, which undeniably added a spark to the series. And let's not forget Shia LaBeouf's role and the subsequent transition of James Mangold into the director's chair. Intrigued? Join us as we pay tribute to the classic Indiana Jones series and its undeniable impact on the world of film.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello and welcome to another episode of this Won't
Teach you Anything.
This week we have a specialreturning guest, your favorite
brother in mind, funko HipsterYo.
How's it going?
It's going well, it's goingwell.
How are things over there atCulture Dudes?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh, it's going pretty well.
We're just knocking him out thepark right now.
Yeah, we're doing one a weeknow.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Alright.
So Culture Dudes, if you don'tknow, is a podcast hosted by
Funko Hipster and his nephewJustin.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
He's been adopting the name Bogan because that's
what Spotify called him and wedidn't know what that meant, so
we had to look it up.
He's just an idiot.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Ah, okay, so Bogan, alright, yeah, he's Bubba Bogan.
Okay, well, good to know, goodto know.
So, yeah, I've been enjoyinglistening to you, so, amongst
other things, kind of the thingthat you guys are doing and I
think you're what 40-ish albumsin.
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Yeah, we're at 60, right around 60.
Down for the Rolling Stone,greatest Albums of All Time.
We just started at 100 andworked our way down.
So yeah, about 40 in.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
You guys have been keeping busy with that.
I've enjoyed the uniqueperspectives.
There's an age differencebetween you two, so you get a
unique look.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Right, it's almost generational.
So he's about 14 years youngerthan I am, so I would be.
He's a millennial and I am GenX, so we have both, and that's
one of the things that we coverin the format when we're.
One of the things that we talkabout is how were you introed to
(02:01):
this band and how did you cometo know them?
So that was one of the thingsthat it was.
It was nice for me to get toknow him a little bit better,
but also to see where you'recoming in with your perspective
on the band and if you knew himat all or if this is the first
time you're even here inanything that they've played.
So that's been one of thosethings that gives a nice little
(02:22):
intro, unless the people knowexactly where we stand on those,
those bands that we'relistening to.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
So the name of the show is iscultured dudes, and you can find
it pretty much anywhere thatyou listen to your podcast.
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Yeah, we put it out there.
It is not safe for work, sodon't plan on having a meeting
and trying to listen to this,and we have some filts and fouls
and fouls and filts and cussingat me and cussing at you.
So just be warned.
It is a unique perspective fromboth of us, but we really,
(02:59):
really press the gas on that.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
All right, All right.
So again, cultured dudes, checkit out wherever you listen to
your podcast.
So this week on our show herewe are covering Indiana Jones
and the Dial of Destiny.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, that was a good one.
I was looking forward to seeingthis in the theater, so I'm
happy you asked me along to talkabout it, because it was
something that I was lookingforward to.
How about you?
You're a big Harrison Ford guy.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, harrison Ford is my.
You know, I mean to me.
You hear about the oldHollywood.
You've got Bogart and you know.
Clark Gable and whatnot in likeclassic Hollywood and you know,
moving up through Marlon Brandoand you know that generation
(03:51):
and you know, when you get intolike movie stars I mean these
days and again, maybe it's,maybe it's me getting older and
just looking at it through adifferent set of eyes Harrison
Ford, for me, was the movie star.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean if you're able to goahead, if you're an actor and
(04:14):
you're able to go ahead and landa role right a Han Solo role or
an Indiana Jones role in yourcareer.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
You're doing well.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, yeah, you're somebody's looking out for you
if you're just landing one ofthose, let alone this guy being
able to roll out multiple ofthem and two of the largest
franchises in movie history yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I mean it's definitely lightning striking in
the same place more than once.
And then you know, to a lesserdegree, franchise, you know,
another iconic character is RickDeckard.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
That's a great point.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And then you know it came to the whole Blade Runner
and then years later that theywere going to do that and then
almost like handing the torchover to Gosling another guy
that's capable of doingsomething like that with the
charm, the charismatic role thathe can do and bring that into a
(05:22):
new generation.
So it was great to see themboth in that.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And you're talking Harrison Ford and you're talking
overall.
You know, if you look at anylist that has top box office
draws and whatnot, he's alwaysthere near the top.
And again, a lot of thatequates to, you know, star Wars,
indiana Jones.
Without those you're notgetting up there quite that high
.
What else is it about HarrisonFord that just makes him kind of
(05:51):
you know that guy.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, I think one of the things is we like to that
the audience likes to think ofthemselves in that position,
like he's doing the stuff thatwe feel like we would be doing,
kind of like that, look back,and I don't know, I'm making it
up as I go.
You know that kind of stuffClassic, and we're all just like
, yes, that's exactly what Iwould say, or that's what I
(06:15):
would do, or you know, it justlooks like he's stumbling
through this but also has done,like his own research and knows
all these things that arehappening and he has a moral
compass that he's really stayson point about.
He's fighting Nazis, you know,and he's trying to.
He's not doing this for theriches or the wealth.
(06:37):
He's doing it to put it in amuseum.
As he says numerous timesthroughout the series.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, I mean, that's part of it.
He's an everyday guy, yes, yes,he doesn't have any superpowers
routinely in over his head.
And you know, that's kind of athematic thing with Harrison
Ford, I think, and one of theplays so well is, he's not the
Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know,the totally ripped, super buff
(07:10):
guy he could be.
You know, just a guy down thestreet.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
He could just be a carpenter working on your house.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, he could be working on the movie studio set
Could be doing that too.
And the next thing you know,next thing you know, he's a
space smuggler right Yep A nerfherder, I mean yeah, yeah, it's,
and that's.
that's part of it.
You could probably be one ofthe few people that could
correct me if I'm wrong on thisis with with the knowledge, you
(07:42):
have a backstories and on filmsand whatnot, and the story I'd
always heard about Harrison Fordand the casting of Han Solo was
he was actually working there.
He was around working as acarpenter.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, that's what I heard when they were doing the
reads.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
When they were doing the reads and George Lucas, you
know, had asked him to readopposite Mark Hamill, I think,
maybe Carrie Fisher, you know,just opposite, you know, just to
do the read and because he'dworked with him on American
graffiti.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Right, yep, I remember, but he was there
primarily.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You know he was, he was doing carpet work.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, just doing a side gig, just trying to pay the
bills, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yep.
So it wasn't even at the pointthat he was asked to read even a
consideration for the room, andso kind of his annoyance came
through in the reads and that'swhat went ahead and led to him
being cast as Han Solo.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I've heard as well,
where he was given the pages toread opposite, as you would do.
Like any casting directorsassistant would just like
reading the lines back and forth.
And I think Octavia Spencertalked about like that's how she
got into acting was because shewas doing a job just like that,
(09:03):
where she was like helping outand when they were reading it
back and forth and she was likeputting a little sauce into it
when they were doing that andlike you're reading this pretty
good back to them, it's like wecould try to have you step in
and do some of these things.
So it's a something like thatwhere just the annoyance of
(09:25):
somebody cool doing somethinglike that that George Lucas
could see through and knew thathe was an actor as well and it
just read well, and sometimesyou just that chemistry, there's
no reason to explain it and itjust happens and it pops, and I
think that's what happened there.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, agreed.
Going back to Indiana Jones,the story there was the original
casting for that was going tobe Tom Selleck, tom.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Selleck.
And yeah, through the graces ofa contract that he chose to
stay with Magnum PI because hedidn't wanna shave his mustache
off.
And that was like the kicker hehad the role and he said no
because of that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
There's a lot of actors that would love to have
had Tom Selleck's career.
True true, but more thatprobably would love to have.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Harrison Ford.
Well, let's ask Tom now, howwould you?
Well, here's a BIC.
Would you like to take that off?
I think he would like the dialof destiny to go back and try to
change that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Very well played.
Very well played.
Yeah, the thing is, and you caneven see the reads that he did
for Indiana Jones.
You can find him on YouTube.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that he'sreading opposite Karen Allen
with the fedora on andeverything.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
The whole bit.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So yeah, you could check that out.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
He looks the part.
That's interesting.
He looks the part.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Except for the mustache.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Except you're a good guy.
Bad guys have mustache.
He's not good guys.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, and Magnum PI.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And Magnum PI A private dick, if you will.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, that's him very private.
So again kind of Harrison Ford,kind of sidestepping into a
role Another way, yeah, and youknow an iconic role.
Yeah, so you know the series.
The first film, 1981.
(11:29):
1981, it was in between EmpireStrikes Back and Return of the
Jedi Was Raiders of the Lost Ark, and then I believe you had
Temple of Doom in 84.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Which I, during the research, just found out that
Temple of Doom was actually aprequel.
It took place a year before theRaiders of the Lost Ark, you
were correct.
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, there you go.
So that's a hard-hittingcoverage.
You're only going to get here,right, it's the only place that
you're gonna.
If you didn't know that, youheard it here first I mean, that
can literally be said.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We gotta change the name of your podcast.
We taught you one thing.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I did at the beginning when I screwed it up.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
We taught you one thing.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Do I have to?
Am I done now?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Is this show done?
Now that I've taught somebodywhat, keep going.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
So we had Temple of Doom 1984.
Interesting tidbit about Templeof Doom.
You know interesting tidbitabout Temple of Doom.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
A couple of them, couple of tidbits.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
All right, go for it, throw me one.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
One where Steven Spielberg fell in love with Kate
Capshaw.
All right, that's one tidbit.
Willie Scott, with what?
Willie Scott, kate Capshaw'scharacter yes yes, she screamed
over 80 times in that movie, andthat's just on screen.
(13:03):
I don't know how much she'sscreaming outside of that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Hey now.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I saw that as like a factoid or something like that.
So that's a tidbit.
It is.
There were only 75% of theinsects that they used on set
were, I think no.
75% got away.
Only 25% was kept.
So of all those thousands ofinsects, 75% went free.
(13:31):
They just About 75% of insects.
75% went free.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
About no.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And we saw all of those things.
Those were wild yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, no, that's fantastic.
What else you?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
got.
Those are just a couple of facttoys.
I do have.
How many people were killed inTemple of Doom?
I don't know if that's a tidbit44.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
44 people down 44, the body count 44.
Of.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Temple of Doom.
Yeah, Unofficial.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Very nice, okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Anything else?
That's all I got for now.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
All right, I'll throw one atcha.
That's here.
Temple of Doom ushered in thePG-13 rating.
Okay, so Because it went, pgyes.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It was released PG.
And do you know what the firstactual PG-13 movie was?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I think I do.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I'm putting my fist to the air because I'm saying
Wolverines, yeah, because you'relike Wolverines, yep, yeah, yep
, red Dawn, red Dawn.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Red.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Dawn.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I'll give you an interesting tidbit about the
PG-13 rating in Red Dawn.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I remember watching Red Dawn on HBO.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And my friend of mine , dan, and I.
It was an afternoon we werewatching, it was coming on and
we hurried in there so we couldsee the PG-13 rating pop up
before the film oh really.
What a thrill.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Wow, that was it.
They played a little rating.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Before the movie this film is rated PG and that was
the first time I ever.
It was kind of a big deal, itwas a big deal, Did you?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
oh, you're watching on HBO, so did you?
Do you get the full five minute?
Like model that was goingthrough the city?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
and Yep city.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, oh yeah, oh, that was great, yep, I love that
.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, that's one of my favorites and I watched.
I remember watching Raiders ofthe Lost Ark on HBO when it
premiered on HBO.
That's one of the things Ithink people don't you know,
people younger I can'tappreciate.
I don't want to be that get offmy lawn guy, but is when you
saw a film Star Wars, empireStrikes Back, raiders of Lost
(15:51):
Art you saw it in the movietheater.
You weren't watching it againuntil it maybe popped up on
television.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And you didn't own your own tapes or anything,
because Got it?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, nobody.
Yeah, you weren't there in 1977when Star Wars came out.
Yeah, you weren't going to avideo store.
There weren't.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, there was no chance of waiting until the DVD
came out, because there was nosuch thing.
There's no laziness, there's nohome viewing of anything,
unless you were a theater thatillegally stole the film and
didn't return it.
Movies were in theaters forliterally years.
(16:35):
Yeah, like three years.
Some of these movies were out.
I think Godfather was out forlike three years, or something
like that.
Yeah, it done surprising, butyou had no chance of seeing it
again, and so that's why youwould have so many people that
would go to the theater, and itwas a big deal to be able to see
it there.
And then for HBO to be able tosee these movies that you didn't
(16:58):
have to, that was mind blowing.
It's in its own right.
It was an event.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You know when you'd have a premiere of something
like that, friday night eighto'clock.
Same thing with Ghostbusters.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Ghostbusters was coming on and I remember that
they would have like every oncein a while they would have a
surprise.
Like New Year's Eve at midnightthey would have a surprise
movie, and I thought that wasthe first time I watched
Ghostbusters at home.
Was HBO surprise film?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Ghostbusters was the first film I saw on back to back
days growing up, oh really.
I was 11 years old.
I saw it on a Friday night andthen I went with a friend of
mine on Saturday, so it was thefirst film I saw two times in a
row in the theater.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, Well, and that's.
That's another great thingabout these movies and how they
impacted us.
It wasn't a crossing off thelist of like oh, I saw it, so I
don't need to see it again.
No, this was something I wantedto see as much as possible so I
could remember the quotes.
I can talk to other peopleabout it and get my facts,
because we couldn't do any factchecking.
There was no IMDB.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, we could have said whatever we wanted.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, yeah, and we did.
We made up a bunch of crap.
Yeah, I can't I was thinkingabout this the other day.
It's like I still like bring upfactoids and things that I
heard, like my dad say, and tryto pawn that off as fact without
fact checking it at all.
So there's a fact that I'vebeen telling people for years
(18:29):
that I never fact checked, andthat was there are more insects.
It's insect talk for somereason.
Yeah, there are more insects ina city mile one square city mile
than there are people on earth.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
That's mind blowing.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I don't know if it's true.
I don't.
I'd never fact check that.
That's what my dad said yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And that's what you should follow that up, that
factor up with every time.
You know, when somebody startslooking at you like is that true
, you just hit them right in theface with.
That's what my dad told me that.
Yep, there you go.
Who's going to argue with that?
It could have been right.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
It could have been right 30 years ago, but not
anymore.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, as as I often do on this show, something in
the same vein, and again, it hasnothing with the main topic
we're talking about, but factsand things like that We've
talked about this before thedifference between a million and
a billion.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Oh yeah, that's huge difference.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
That's one of one of the things that blows my mind
the most.
I think and I'll screw it up,but my dad told me this is that
I believe a million seconds islike 33 days.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Around 13 or 14 days.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Okay, 13,.
See, I screwed it up.
Yeah, damn, it dad.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Don't, don't curse, dad.
Mr Rude got it right.
I screwed it up.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
But a billion is something like 30 some years 33
years.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, so then that's, that's astonishing.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
A trillion seconds is 33,000 years.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
That's ungodly.
To be a billionaire, that'ssomebody giving you $1 a second
for 33 years.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Sleeping awake whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, it doesn't matter, it's just astonishing.
Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's a huge difference between a million and
a billion and people just throwthose, those numbers out so
flippantly.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, they sound kind of familiar.
Watch what I do with this.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That's here.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Star Wars, Indiana Jones both billion dollar
franchises, Multi-billion dollarfranchises.
So that's how I brought it back.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yes, full circle.
Here we are, and one person isin both of those billion dollar
franchises.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And blown.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Pretty incredible.
Thank you, Mr Root.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, Great fact so so Temple of Doom, 1984, Indiana
Jones and the last crusade,1989.
So we had three years betweenthe first two films which, as
you pointed out in in the actualtimeline, Temple of Doom.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Before.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
In the timeline of the character.
Technically the first story,yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Would that be the first prequel that we ever had?
Oh, that could be Right.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
The first one that really mattered, we'll say yes.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
How?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
about that my dad said yes 1989, indiana Jones and
the last crusade.
We went five years, yeah,between those films.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Everybody in there Indiana Jones and the last
crusade, this is some prime time, prime Spielberg, prime
Harrison.
Oh yeah, yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, the, yeah, the 70s and 80s John.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Williams, john Williams, gotta bring that up.
Holy smokes Well.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
John Williams still.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I mean, you know again, there's no better.
I mean we can argue, best films, favorite films, best
franchises, all this, but I willfight to the death anybody who
tries to tell me there's abetter motion picture composer
than John Williams.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
You'll be fighting alone.
No one will dispute that.
He is absolutely the best.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
The honest to God absolute, Because there was an
undisputed goat of anything intheir field.
I mean, I don't know how youget better than John Williams.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You don't.
You nailed it.
That's the one and only.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Wrote the original Superman theme.
Wrote Star Wars the soundtrackIndiana Jones Raiders March.
The soundtrack to the IndianaJones movies Jaws.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Oh yeah, that's a great one, simple too.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Close encounters of the third.
Yeah, close encounters of thethird kind.
That was John WilliamsSchindler's List.
Yeah, he's all of them.
John Williams, jurassic Park.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, and we all are hearing these as you're
mentioning them.
It just instantly comes intoyour head the theme music from
each one of these films.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, the original Harry Potter.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You couldn't do that with hardly anything else.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Right, John Williams, Hedwig's theme, it just keeps
going on.
He's scored every one of theepisodic Star Wars films, so any
Star Wars films with an episodeattached to it.
All John Williams, All theIndiana Jones films.
What a career.
Yeah, I mean absolutely,Absolutely so.
(23:47):
Again, I mean it's very rarethat you might have this part or
that part or this.
I mean this is a series thathad Steven Spielberg directed
characters created by GeorgeLucas, John Williams scoring it.
I mean Industrial Light andMagic, the premier visual
(24:07):
effects studio, working on this,born from the necessity in Star
Wars I don't know if you'vecaught the Disney Plus thing
called Light and Magic, I thinkit is.
It's a documentary about theformation.
Yeah, you'll want to watch that.
It's fantastic about how ILMwas formed, because there
weren't special effects studios.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I mean, they wrote the book man.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They literally did so .
Yeah, I mean all the big ones,weta and all those.
They owe everything to ILM.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, that's true.
And the success of that,because if it failed then people
weren't going to invest moneyinto it.
So the success that they hadfrom doing those things that we
can still see today, that's likeincredible even today.
It just shows how much passionand how much ingenuity it took
(25:05):
for somebody to do somethinglike that.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I think there's even a scene in that documentary that
you mentioned earlier.
They're talking about most ofthe stuff they came up with.
They just had to.
They made up because there wasno book on how to do this.
Stuff made me think of what youbrought up earlier with I don't
know.
I'm making this up as I go.
That's exactly what they weredoing, I think they even I think
they played that part in thedocumentary when Harrison Ford
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says that it's classic and notruer words for a character ever
, because that's so good.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You can't plot that stuff out, man, you just find
yourself in the positions andthen, as boats and the tides are
turning, literally is how youmanipulate, how to get out of
something.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
So yeah, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
So again 1989, indiana Jones and the last
crusade marked a big addition tothe franchise with Sean.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Coyle, that was huge man.
He was so good too.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You literally had James Bond and Indiana Jones.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
On the same screen.
How great is that.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
The chemistry between those two was just off the
charts.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
It really was.
I mean, there's so many linesthat I still use from that's
probably my favorite.
One of this franchise is thelast crusade, and it also shows
the depth of their acting chops,because there are some moments
in there where Sean Connery isknown for being the suave guy
(26:41):
James Bond, but there's momentswhere, like when he has the Holy
Grail and he's just like let itgo, you know that moment where
he's just telling him and he'steaching his son a teachable
moment.
Man, that just gets me everytime seeing something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's so fantastic.
I'm glad you brought that up.
Yeah, because this whole timeyou're introduced to his father
as being a stern by the book guyrefers to him as junior and all
that.
And that's the only time in themovie where you hear him say
let it go.
And then he's like, and he'slike still reaching for the
Grail.
He's like Indiana, let it go.
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And it's like that's what snapshim out when he says that?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
And he's been looking for that for his whole life and
he's telling his son to let itgo and it's so close, so close,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
And that's what he's saying.
I can almost reach it.
Yeah, that's so great.
That film is just so good.
For me, raiders of the Lost Arkis a perfect adventure for me.
Because it just ushered in somany clones of that type of
stuff.
But if there's a movie in thefranchise that comes even
remotely close to the actionadventure and the feeling of the
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first film, for me it's LastCrusade.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Even with the addition of Sean Connery and
having a different feel, itstill has that same heart.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
To me of all the things we've mentioned.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And where he got that heart from.
So that's a great origin storythat's thrown in the mix of this
adventure story.
So it's even better that way.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
One of the things that people, and again younger
people don't have the impact ofit.
People our age I think I wastalking to somebody a few weeks
back that had completely forgotthat River Phoenix was in this
film.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, that's incredible.
I loved him too.
He's such a tragedy.
But yeah, he was so good and itshows where he got his phobia
from snakes, where he got hisscar on his chin it worked out.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Where the heck came from, where the heck came from.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It wasn't even his man.
The other tomb raider gave itto him.
Oh, it's so good yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
The nods to things like that are part of what makes
a good series hold together andfunction so well.
Going forward, we went aheadand had five years again between
Temple of Doom and Last Crusade, and then we have almost 20
years.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
That's a big one.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Between the Last Crusade and Indiana Jones and
the Kingdom of the Crystal Skullin 2008.
The hype for that was huge.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I don't know People were thirsty.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh yeah, 100%.
It's one of those situationswhere you just don't know if
anything could live up to thehype after that many years, but
the exception being that it justshattered everything would be
Top Gun Maverick.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah that.
But it's learned also from someof these missteps, if you want
to call them those, from theselong droughts from franchises,
and so they really have beenable to look back and see, well,
they did this and they did thatand it wasn't exactly true and
here's what the fan base issaying, like that.
So they really did a good jobof being able to stay away from
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those pitfalls that otherfranchises, with the long
drought, have been able to orfell into, and so they did such
a good job with that.
That was really and that'ssomething that when we were
talking about, we just fannedall over.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, because it's warranted when you have a long
drought like that.
Indiana Jones and the Kingdomof the Crystal Skull still did
huge boxing.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
You know, because so many people were thirsty for
that next story.
I rewatched it again recentlyand I don't hate the film.
Neither I think it's got a lot.
I think it could if there was afan at it and there were some
things taken out here and there.
I don't have a problem with thenuking of the fridge.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, I never.
I thought that was great and itwas a not to the future.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Well, yeah, you've got again a resourcefulness a
lead lined refrigerator in anuclear blast.
Oh, who could survive that?
So we're not going to talkabout the inflatable raft
jumping out of a plane inIndiana Jones and the Temple of
Doom sliding down a Himalayanmountain into a river in India.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
That's okay, but we're going to bang on the
Ripping out of a heart.
Ripping out the heart yes, mpg13?
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, we're okay with all of that stuff Ghosts coming
out of the Ark of the Covenantand all that.
He's 2,000 years old.
Yeah, I think.
For me, one of the issues thatKingdom of the Crystal Skull had
and I had a couple with itHarrison Ford was fantastic, as
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ever.
He has gone on record to saythat Indiana Jones is his
favorite role.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, I think that's his favorite character.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I can see it.
It's a great role.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, he plays that character just completely to the
tee.
You couldn't.
Everything that you can't geton paper he brings to it.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, it was one of those born-to-play situations.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Exactly.
One of the issues I had with itwas in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
It was more or less a solo typestory, with the exception of
Marion that you get to and theirchemistry was on.
Her character was fan.
You know one of those early onthings where Harrison Ford has
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played alongside some verystrong female characters in his
movies.
In the popular ones as cockyand brash as Han Solo is,
princess Leia wasn't takinganything.
No, no.
I mean, she went toe-to-toe withMarion Ravenwood.
Same thing Wasn't taking any ofhis crap went toe-to-toe.
(33:14):
This is late 70s, early 80s,before all this Everything was
born to, where femaleempowerment and whatnot, where
it was at the forefront ofthings, like it is today, these
are things that back then youwant to see the male superhero
Machica, and here you gotPrincess Leia dressing him down.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, put him in this place every chance.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, yeah.
And Marion Ravenwood, KarenAllen, slugging him right in the
jaw as soon as he runs into her.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
She's incredible Karen Allen's, one of my
favorite actresses of all time.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I've always loved her , and she was born to play that
role too.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
It fits her so well.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
So you had kind of the tandem there, and then the
chemistry of short round inIndiana Jones in the Temple of
Doom worked phenomenal.
You know, it just worked.
Yeah yeah, you go to talkingabout movie quotes, you call him
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Dr Jones, doll Dr Jones.
So I mean just so many goodones.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
No time for love, Dr Jones Yep.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
The chemistry between Sean Connery and Harrison Ford
in the Last Crusade.
I was not feeling the chemistrywith Shia LaBeouf and Harrison
Ford in the Kingdom of theCrystal Stone.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
That was disappointing for me, because I
am a fan of Shia LaBeouf andI've seen him do some really
good things, and the first timeI got introduced to him was in
that Project Greenlight.
Did you ever see that show withBen Affleck and Matt Damon?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I know what it is, but I didn't see it.
It's where you could basicallyget your script right.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, they helped do that and there was a new season
out recently that I think theydid that.
But that was the first timethat I saw him Shia LaBeouf
because he was in some Disneymovie holes and he just had this
charm and charismatic way abouthim and he did a great job and
I think the movie was Battle ofShaker Heights was the name of
(35:31):
it and so that's what put him onthe map for me and since then
I've liked what he's done.
But he's had some challenges inhis life and some personal
battles and I thought he wasgreat.
Casting him as this adventurerthat's going to be like Harrison
(35:51):
Ford offspring and being ableto do something like that.
I thought that was really good.
But that's one of those timeswhere the chemistry didn't
really match up.
For some reason it just didn't.
It was oil and water, for somereason.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, it wasn't Hayden Christensen and Natalie
Portman bad, but it didn't feelnatural and I think, yeah, I
think, you know, with ShiaLaBeouf I think back to the
original Transformers film andhe's got a timing he does, but
he's got timing to go ahead andact with, because that role that
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he plays in Transformers andthe timing he I mean you could
see that the guy, the guy knowswhat he's doing.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
He's got some chops to him for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
He was good.
I enjoyed him in Fury yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, that's a gritty movie.
That's a good movie, yeah.
So that's one of the things,what's that he pulled his tooth
out for that Because hischaracter he thought his
character had that grit to him.
He like literally pulled histooth out for that character in
that movie.
Oh my God, I didn't know that.
(37:02):
Yeah, the deal was wild.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Did anybody?
When he did that, did peoplehave trouble recognizing him?
Did anyone dare say to him youare not LaBeouf.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You are not LaBeouf.
I love that line too.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Nothing to do with any of the Jones, but I love
that line.
So that was one of the things.
The other thing to me, it justhad a different feel to it once
it got to like the jungle.
It looked too green, it lookedtoo oversaturated for me.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I think that it had.
It fell into a dilemma of CGI,like the technology wasn't
exactly there for what they weretrying to do, and I think
that's where it fell into itWith Spielberg and Jurassic Park
.
There was like a blend of thatand so it looked incredible.
(37:57):
There was like a blend ofpractical and there was a blend
of CGI and it was like, like wesaid, nobody was doing that at
the time, so for him to be ableto do that was incredible.
And I think this fell into atrap of doing more CGI than
practical and in-camera, and Ithink that's where that
(38:19):
believability or fake came intoplay and it came across in the
finished product.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Right it, just for me .
It didn't visually feel likethe other films.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
You know it seemed a little too clean in spots.
I thought the areas where theyfilmed in the desert area of 51
and in the warehouse at thebeginning of the film felt like
an Indiana Jones movie.
It gets out in the jungle andthings are a little too green,
you know it.
Just it didn't.
It had its moments where it did.
But you know Kate Blanchett,who all watching about anything.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Anything about I mean she's phenomenal, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Again, it was one of those ones where even she
couldn't do a ton withultimately an uninteresting
character I found yeah yeah,that's where I was too.
It the interdimensional beings,as they called them.
I didn't have a huge problemwith all that, because if you're
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watching these movies andyou're seeing a 900 year old
knight help you or question youabout the holy grail, then you
really shouldn't have a problemwith interdimensional aliens.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
We've seen close encounters of the third kind,
We've seen ET, we've seen StarWars.
I mean we've seen all thesethings.
So we're completely okay withalien beings being here and
being like the finale of theirmovie.
So that's never been a problemwith us.
We've always been able to goalong with that.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
So you know it was a film.
It was the lowest rated of youknow the Metacritic and Rotten
Tomatoes as far as a criticalconsensus and fan base Of the
Indiana Jones children franchise.
(40:25):
Yeah, of the four that were out,and then we get to, so it was
2008.
So we had like 19 years betweenIndiana Jones films and then,
you know, we had another roughly14 years going on, 15 between
(40:46):
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom ofthe Crystal Skull and Indiana
Jones and the Dial of Destiny.
So Dial of Destiny is the firsttime that you start to see a
different core team with theaddition of James Mangold, right
, yeah.
Taking over the director'schair.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, that was interesting to see Spielberg
stepping down for that Stillbeing a part of it, but not, you
know, directly behind thecamera like he usually was, so
that was interesting.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
That's always a concern when you have an
established you know filmfranchise.
Now you know James Bond.
I don't know that there's beenone person that's directed more
than one Bond film.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, I can't think of one.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
You know, you hear Indiana Jones and you know to me
I think, harrison Ford,spielberg, george Lucas and John
Williams, that's core four whenyou take one of those parts out
.
And Spielberg was an executiveproducer, so you know he was a
real hit.
And I'm knowing what I've readabout James Mangold.
I'm sure that you know therewere discussions that James
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Mangold you know, tip of the cat.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
We could also bring into play Kathleen Kennedy.
She's been a part of thisfranchise the whole way through
as well.
So not to snub Kathleen,because she's been an integral
part as her career has grown,and so has the franchise of
Indiana Jones.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
That's fair to say.
Yeah, I guess I've.
There's a lot of vitriol.
That's the second time I'veused this word today.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
The big one.
Was it in your calendar?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, no, no, it wasn't.
It wasn't on my screen saver onmy Mac either.
No, I just with.
She catches a lot of flak fromthe Star.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Wars movie.
Yeah, and there is A lot of it.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
They don't realize that she was there at the
beginning, when everything wasgood.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
You brought up like the intercoles of this and I
thought that there was somevideo where Spielberg was
talking like introducingeverybody during the Dial of
Destiny, like a pub that washappening, and I thought she
kind of got slighted because hewas like we wouldn't be here if
it wasn't for these integralpeople and he named off like
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John Williams, harrison Ford.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Like I did.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Like you did.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Did I just snub, kathleen?
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Kennedy, you did the same thing that Spielberg did.
That's why I had to bring it in.
Poor Kathleen sitting overthere, she was like waiting for
a high five and turned it into aslow clap for herself.
Poor girl.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
The awkward slow cap from the top.
Yeah, oh, I'll just so highfive and turn it into a clap the
old trip and start running outof nowhere.
Oh God, what a shit.
I'm sorry KK.
But, just KK.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
We don't need to go any further with the case.
I know we're doing Nazis andeverything.
No, we're gonna stop it.
Stop it, stop it too.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yep, agreed so with my snub of Kathleen Kennedy Dial
of Destiny.
You know this marks, I believeat the time of shooting Harrison
Ford was near 78 years old.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
He was up there a little longer than the tooth, as
they say.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
But I think there's not too many of us who wouldn't
want to be in the condition thatHarrison Ford is at now 80, but
78 years old.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
And the dude keeps on going.
He keeps flying on his own,crashing on his own.
I mean, the guy is a survivor,we all know yeah definitely.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
You know, during the filming of Force Awakens, a prop
door on the Millennium Falconslammed shut on Broke's leg
during the Force Awakens.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
During this, during the filming of this, he had
shoulder surgery right.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, and during a fight scene had to get shoulder
surgery and I have to wonder.
There is a scene towards theend of the movie where he and
Phoebe are in pursuit of thedial and they're climbing up the
side of this thing and she'slike wondering why he's not, are
you gonna go?
And he's like he goes.
(45:18):
I'm just wondering what I'mdoing up here with Two bad
shoulders and no knees and stufflike that.
That's one of the things withoutgoing and doing our usual
breakdown of scene by scene, soI don't make this four hours
long the overall feeling of dialof destiny to me felt like an
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Indiana Jones movie, like itwould have fit right in with the
beginning had Harrison Ford,indiana Jones, played this part
in his 40s.
It felt like that kind offeeling which is, I think, a
testament to James Mangold andbeing able to capture kind of
that feeling with all the nodsof things.
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One of the things that is a badthing to do in an Indiana Jones
film is be on a motorcycle withIndiana Jones.
That never, that rarely goeswell For other people.
Yeah, getting thrown off near avehicle, you'll be run over.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, he's undefeated in that, and that's how these
kill counts.
Just keep clicking up, keepgoing.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
And we will stop right there with this episode of
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So this week on our show herewe are covering Indiana Jones
and the Dial of Destiny.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, that was a good one.
I was looking forward to seeingthis in the theater, so I'm
happy you asked me along to talkabout it, because it was
something that I was lookingforward to.
How about you?
You're a big Harrison Ford guy.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, harrison Ford is my.
You know, I mean to me.
You hear about the oldHollywood.
You've got Bogart and you know.
Clark Gable and whatnot in likeclassic Hollywood and you know,
moving up through Marlon Brandoand you know that generation
(03:51):
and you know, when you get intolike movie stars I mean these
days and again, maybe it's,maybe it's me getting older and
just looking at it through adifferent set of eyes Harrison
Ford, for me, was the movie star.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean if you're able to goahead, if you're an actor and
(04:14):
you're able to go ahead and landa role right a Han Solo role or
an Indiana Jones role in yourcareer.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
You're doing well.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, yeah, you're somebody's looking out for you
if you're just landing one ofthose, let alone this guy being
able to roll out multiple ofthem and two of the largest
franchises in movie history yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I mean it's definitely lightning striking in
the same place more than once.
And then you know, to a lesserdegree, franchise, you know,
another iconic character is RickDeckard.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
That's a great point.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And then you know it came to the whole Blade Runner
and then years later that theywere going to do that and then
almost like handing the torchover to Gosling another guy
that's capable of doingsomething like that with the
charm, the charismatic role thathe can do and bring that into a
(05:22):
new generation.
So it was great to see themboth in that.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And you're talking Harrison Ford and you're talking
overall.
You know, if you look at anylist that has top box office
draws and whatnot, he's alwaysthere near the top.
And again, a lot of thatequates to, you know, star Wars,
indiana Jones.
Without those you're notgetting up there quite that high
.
What else is it about HarrisonFord that just makes him kind of
(05:51):
you know that guy.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, I think one of the things is we like to that
the audience likes to think ofthemselves in that position,
like he's doing the stuff thatwe feel like we would be doing,
kind of like that, look back,and I don't know, I'm making it
up as I go.
You know that kind of stuffClassic, and we're all just like
, yes, that's exactly what Iwould say, or that's what I
(06:15):
would do, or you know, it justlooks like he's stumbling
through this but also has done,like his own research and knows
all these things that arehappening and he has a moral
compass that he's really stayson point about.
He's fighting Nazis, you know,and he's trying to.
He's not doing this for theriches or the wealth.
(06:37):
He's doing it to put it in amuseum.
As he says numerous timesthroughout the series.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, I mean, that's part of it.
He's an everyday guy, yes, yes,he doesn't have any superpowers
routinely in over his head.
And you know, that's kind of athematic thing with Harrison
Ford, I think, and one of theplays so well is, he's not the
Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know,the totally ripped, super buff
(07:10):
guy he could be.
You know, just a guy down thestreet.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
He could just be a carpenter working on your house.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, he could be working on the movie studio set
Could be doing that too.
And the next thing you know,next thing you know, he's a
space smuggler right Yep A nerfherder, I mean yeah, yeah, it's,
and that's.
that's part of it.
You could probably be one ofthe few people that could
correct me if I'm wrong on thisis with with the knowledge, you
(07:42):
have a backstories and on filmsand whatnot, and the story I'd
always heard about Harrison Fordand the casting of Han Solo was
he was actually working there.
He was around working as acarpenter.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, that's what I heard when they were doing the
reads.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
When they were doing the reads and George Lucas, you
know, had asked him to readopposite Mark Hamill, I think,
maybe Carrie Fisher, you know,just opposite, you know, just to
do the read and because he'dworked with him on American
graffiti.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Right, yep, I remember, but he was there
primarily.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You know he was, he was doing carpet work.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, just doing a side gig, just trying to pay the
bills, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yep.
So it wasn't even at the pointthat he was asked to read even a
consideration for the room, andso kind of his annoyance came
through in the reads and that'swhat went ahead and led to him
being cast as Han Solo.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I've heard as well,
where he was given the pages toread opposite, as you would do.
Like any casting directorsassistant would just like
reading the lines back and forth.
And I think Octavia Spencertalked about like that's how she
got into acting was because shewas doing a job just like that,
(09:03):
where she was like helping outand when they were reading it
back and forth and she was likeputting a little sauce into it
when they were doing that andlike you're reading this pretty
good back to them, it's like wecould try to have you step in
and do some of these things.
So it's a something like thatwhere just the annoyance of
(09:25):
somebody cool doing somethinglike that that George Lucas
could see through and knew thathe was an actor as well and it
just read well, and sometimesyou just that chemistry, there's
no reason to explain it and itjust happens and it pops, and I
think that's what happened there.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, agreed.
Going back to Indiana Jones,the story there was the original
casting for that was going tobe Tom Selleck, tom.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Selleck.
And yeah, through the graces ofa contract that he chose to
stay with Magnum PI because hedidn't wanna shave his mustache
off.
And that was like the kicker hehad the role and he said no
because of that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
There's a lot of actors that would love to have
had Tom Selleck's career.
True true, but more thatprobably would love to have.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Harrison Ford.
Well, let's ask Tom now, howwould you?
Well, here's a BIC.
Would you like to take that off?
I think he would like the dialof destiny to go back and try to
change that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Very well played.
Very well played.
Yeah, the thing is, and you caneven see the reads that he did
for Indiana Jones.
You can find him on YouTube.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that he'sreading opposite Karen Allen
with the fedora on andeverything.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
The whole bit.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So yeah, you could check that out.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
He looks the part.
That's interesting.
He looks the part.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Except for the mustache.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Except you're a good guy.
Bad guys have mustache.
He's not good guys.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, and Magnum PI.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And Magnum PI A private dick, if you will.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, that's him very private.
So again kind of Harrison Ford,kind of sidestepping into a
role Another way, yeah, and youknow an iconic role.
Yeah, so you know the series.
The first film, 1981.
(11:29):
1981, it was in between EmpireStrikes Back and Return of the
Jedi Was Raiders of the Lost Ark, and then I believe you had
Temple of Doom in 84.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Which I, during the research, just found out that
Temple of Doom was actually aprequel.
It took place a year before theRaiders of the Lost Ark, you
were correct.
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, there you go.
So that's a hard-hittingcoverage.
You're only going to get here,right, it's the only place that
you're gonna.
If you didn't know that, youheard it here first I mean, that
can literally be said.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We gotta change the name of your podcast.
We taught you one thing.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I did at the beginning when I screwed it up.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
We taught you one thing.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Do I have to?
Am I done now?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Is this show done?
Now that I've taught somebodywhat, keep going.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
So we had Temple of Doom 1984.
Interesting tidbit about Templeof Doom.
You know interesting tidbitabout Temple of Doom.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
A couple of them, couple of tidbits.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
All right, go for it, throw me one.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
One where Steven Spielberg fell in love with Kate
Capshaw.
All right, that's one tidbit.
Willie Scott, with what?
Willie Scott, kate Capshaw'scharacter yes yes, she screamed
over 80 times in that movie, andthat's just on screen.
(13:03):
I don't know how much she'sscreaming outside of that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Hey now.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I saw that as like a factoid or something like that.
So that's a tidbit.
It is.
There were only 75% of theinsects that they used on set
were, I think no.
75% got away.
Only 25% was kept.
So of all those thousands ofinsects, 75% went free.
(13:31):
They just About 75% of insects.
75% went free.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
About no.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And we saw all of those things.
Those were wild yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, no, that's fantastic.
What else you?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
got.
Those are just a couple of facttoys.
I do have.
How many people were killed inTemple of Doom?
I don't know if that's a tidbit44.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
44 people down 44, the body count 44.
Of.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Temple of Doom.
Yeah, Unofficial.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Very nice, okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Anything else?
That's all I got for now.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
All right, I'll throw one atcha.
That's here.
Temple of Doom ushered in thePG-13 rating.
Okay, so Because it went, pgyes.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It was released PG.
And do you know what the firstactual PG-13 movie was?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I think I do.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I'm putting my fist to the air because I'm saying
Wolverines, yeah, because you'relike Wolverines, yep, yeah, yep
, red Dawn, red Dawn.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Red.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Dawn.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I'll give you an interesting tidbit about the
PG-13 rating in Red Dawn.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I remember watching Red Dawn on HBO.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And my friend of mine , dan, and I.
It was an afternoon we werewatching, it was coming on and
we hurried in there so we couldsee the PG-13 rating pop up
before the film oh really.
What a thrill.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Wow, that was it.
They played a little rating.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Before the movie this film is rated PG and that was
the first time I ever.
It was kind of a big deal, itwas a big deal, Did you?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
oh, you're watching on HBO, so did you?
Do you get the full five minute?
Like model that was goingthrough the city?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
and Yep city.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, oh yeah, oh, that was great, yep, I love that
.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, that's one of my favorites and I watched.
I remember watching Raiders ofthe Lost Ark on HBO when it
premiered on HBO.
That's one of the things Ithink people don't you know,
people younger I can'tappreciate.
I don't want to be that get offmy lawn guy, but is when you
saw a film Star Wars, empireStrikes Back, raiders of Lost
(15:51):
Art you saw it in the movietheater.
You weren't watching it againuntil it maybe popped up on
television.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And you didn't own your own tapes or anything,
because Got it?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, nobody.
Yeah, you weren't there in 1977when Star Wars came out.
Yeah, you weren't going to avideo store.
There weren't.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, there was no chance of waiting until the DVD
came out, because there was nosuch thing.
There's no laziness, there's nohome viewing of anything,
unless you were a theater thatillegally stole the film and
didn't return it.
Movies were in theaters forliterally years.
(16:35):
Yeah, like three years.
Some of these movies were out.
I think Godfather was out forlike three years, or something
like that.
Yeah, it done surprising, butyou had no chance of seeing it
again, and so that's why youwould have so many people that
would go to the theater, and itwas a big deal to be able to see
it there.
And then for HBO to be able tosee these movies that you didn't
(16:58):
have to, that was mind blowing.
It's in its own right.
It was an event.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You know when you'd have a premiere of something
like that, friday night eighto'clock.
Same thing with Ghostbusters.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Ghostbusters was coming on and I remember that
they would have like every oncein a while they would have a
surprise.
Like New Year's Eve at midnightthey would have a surprise
movie, and I thought that wasthe first time I watched
Ghostbusters at home.
Was HBO surprise film?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Ghostbusters was the first film I saw on back to back
days growing up, oh really.
I was 11 years old.
I saw it on a Friday night andthen I went with a friend of
mine on Saturday, so it was thefirst film I saw two times in a
row in the theater.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, Well, and that's.
That's another great thingabout these movies and how they
impacted us.
It wasn't a crossing off thelist of like oh, I saw it, so I
don't need to see it again.
No, this was something I wantedto see as much as possible so I
could remember the quotes.
I can talk to other peopleabout it and get my facts,
because we couldn't do any factchecking.
There was no IMDB.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, we could have said whatever we wanted.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, yeah, and we did.
We made up a bunch of crap.
Yeah, I can't I was thinkingabout this the other day.
It's like I still like bring upfactoids and things that I
heard, like my dad say, and tryto pawn that off as fact without
fact checking it at all.
So there's a fact that I'vebeen telling people for years
(18:29):
that I never fact checked, andthat was there are more insects.
It's insect talk for somereason.
Yeah, there are more insects ina city mile one square city mile
than there are people on earth.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
That's mind blowing.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I don't know if it's true.
I don't.
I'd never fact check that.
That's what my dad said yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And that's what you should follow that up, that
factor up with every time.
You know, when somebody startslooking at you like is that true
, you just hit them right in theface with.
That's what my dad told me that.
Yep, there you go.
Who's going to argue with that?
It could have been right.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
It could have been right 30 years ago, but not
anymore.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, as as I often do on this show, something in
the same vein, and again, it hasnothing with the main topic
we're talking about, but factsand things like that We've
talked about this before thedifference between a million and
a billion.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Oh yeah, that's huge difference.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
That's one of one of the things that blows my mind
the most.
I think and I'll screw it up,but my dad told me this is that
I believe a million seconds islike 33 days.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Around 13 or 14 days.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Okay, 13,.
See, I screwed it up.
Yeah, damn, it dad.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Don't, don't curse, dad.
Mr Rude got it right.
I screwed it up.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
But a billion is something like 30 some years 33
years.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, so then that's, that's astonishing.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
A trillion seconds is 33,000 years.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
That's ungodly.
To be a billionaire, that'ssomebody giving you $1 a second
for 33 years.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Sleeping awake whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, it doesn't matter, it's just astonishing.
Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's a huge difference between a million and
a billion and people just throwthose, those numbers out so
flippantly.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, they sound kind of familiar.
Watch what I do with this.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That's here.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Star Wars, Indiana Jones both billion dollar
franchises, Multi-billion dollarfranchises.
So that's how I brought it back.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yes, full circle.
Here we are, and one person isin both of those billion dollar
franchises.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And blown.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Pretty incredible.
Thank you, Mr Root.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, Great fact so so Temple of Doom, 1984, Indiana
Jones and the last crusade,1989.
So we had three years betweenthe first two films which, as
you pointed out in in the actualtimeline, Temple of Doom.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Before.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
In the timeline of the character.
Technically the first story,yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Would that be the first prequel that we ever had?
Oh, that could be Right.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
The first one that really mattered, we'll say yes.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
How?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
about that my dad said yes 1989, indiana Jones and
the last crusade.
We went five years, yeah,between those films.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Everybody in there Indiana Jones and the last
crusade, this is some prime time, prime Spielberg, prime
Harrison.
Oh yeah, yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, the, yeah, the 70s and 80s John.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Williams, john Williams, gotta bring that up.
Holy smokes Well.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
John Williams still.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I mean, you know again, there's no better.
I mean we can argue, best films, favorite films, best
franchises, all this, but I willfight to the death anybody who
tries to tell me there's abetter motion picture composer
than John Williams.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
You'll be fighting alone.
No one will dispute that.
He is absolutely the best.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
The honest to God absolute, Because there was an
undisputed goat of anything intheir field.
I mean, I don't know how youget better than John Williams.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You don't.
You nailed it.
That's the one and only.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Wrote the original Superman theme.
Wrote Star Wars the soundtrackIndiana Jones Raiders March.
The soundtrack to the IndianaJones movies Jaws.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Oh yeah, that's a great one, simple too.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Close encounters of the third.
Yeah, close encounters of thethird kind.
That was John WilliamsSchindler's List.
Yeah, he's all of them.
John Williams, jurassic Park.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, and we all are hearing these as you're
mentioning them.
It just instantly comes intoyour head the theme music from
each one of these films.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, the original Harry Potter.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You couldn't do that with hardly anything else.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Right, John Williams, Hedwig's theme, it just keeps
going on.
He's scored every one of theepisodic Star Wars films, so any
Star Wars films with an episodeattached to it.
All John Williams, All theIndiana Jones films.
What a career.
Yeah, I mean absolutely,Absolutely so.
(23:47):
Again, I mean it's very rarethat you might have this part or
that part or this.
I mean this is a series thathad Steven Spielberg directed
characters created by GeorgeLucas, John Williams scoring it.
I mean Industrial Light andMagic, the premier visual
(24:07):
effects studio, working on this,born from the necessity in Star
Wars I don't know if you'vecaught the Disney Plus thing
called Light and Magic, I thinkit is.
It's a documentary about theformation.
Yeah, you'll want to watch that.
It's fantastic about how ILMwas formed, because there
weren't special effects studios.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I mean, they wrote the book man.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They literally did so .
Yeah, I mean all the big ones,weta and all those.
They owe everything to ILM.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, that's true.
And the success of that,because if it failed then people
weren't going to invest moneyinto it.
So the success that they hadfrom doing those things that we
can still see today, that's likeincredible even today.
It just shows how much passionand how much ingenuity it took
(25:05):
for somebody to do somethinglike that.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I think there's even a scene in that documentary that
you mentioned earlier.
They're talking about most ofthe stuff they came up with.
They just had to.
They made up because there wasno book on how to do this.
Stuff made me think of what youbrought up earlier with I don't
know.
I'm making this up as I go.
That's exactly what they weredoing, I think they even I think
they played that part in thedocumentary when Harrison Ford
(25:31):
says that it's classic and notruer words for a character ever
, because that's so good.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You can't plot that stuff out, man, you just find
yourself in the positions andthen, as boats and the tides are
turning, literally is how youmanipulate, how to get out of
something.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
So yeah, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
So again 1989, indiana Jones and the last
crusade marked a big addition tothe franchise with Sean.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Coyle, that was huge man.
He was so good too.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You literally had James Bond and Indiana Jones.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
On the same screen.
How great is that.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
The chemistry between those two was just off the
charts.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
It really was.
I mean, there's so many linesthat I still use from that's
probably my favorite.
One of this franchise is thelast crusade, and it also shows
the depth of their acting chops,because there are some moments
in there where Sean Connery isknown for being the suave guy
(26:41):
James Bond, but there's momentswhere, like when he has the Holy
Grail and he's just like let itgo, you know that moment where
he's just telling him and he'steaching his son a teachable
moment.
Man, that just gets me everytime seeing something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's so fantastic.
I'm glad you brought that up.
Yeah, because this whole timeyou're introduced to his father
as being a stern by the book guyrefers to him as junior and all
that.
And that's the only time in themovie where you hear him say
let it go.
And then he's like, and he'slike still reaching for the
Grail.
He's like Indiana, let it go.
(27:20):
And it's like that's what snapshim out when he says that?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
And he's been looking for that for his whole life and
he's telling his son to let itgo and it's so close, so close,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
And that's what he's saying.
I can almost reach it.
Yeah, that's so great.
That film is just so good.
For me, raiders of the Lost Arkis a perfect adventure for me.
Because it just ushered in somany clones of that type of
stuff.
But if there's a movie in thefranchise that comes even
remotely close to the actionadventure and the feeling of the
(27:58):
first film, for me it's LastCrusade.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Even with the addition of Sean Connery and
having a different feel, itstill has that same heart.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
To me of all the things we've mentioned.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And where he got that heart from.
So that's a great origin storythat's thrown in the mix of this
adventure story.
So it's even better that way.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
One of the things that people, and again younger
people don't have the impact ofit.
People our age I think I wastalking to somebody a few weeks
back that had completely forgotthat River Phoenix was in this
film.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, that's incredible.
I loved him too.
He's such a tragedy.
But yeah, he was so good and itshows where he got his phobia
from snakes, where he got hisscar on his chin it worked out.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Where the heck came from, where the heck came from.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It wasn't even his man.
The other tomb raider gave itto him.
Oh, it's so good yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
The nods to things like that are part of what makes
a good series hold together andfunction so well.
Going forward, we went aheadand had five years again between
Temple of Doom and Last Crusade, and then we have almost 20
years.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
That's a big one.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Between the Last Crusade and Indiana Jones and
the Kingdom of the Crystal Skullin 2008.
The hype for that was huge.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I don't know People were thirsty.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh yeah, 100%.
It's one of those situationswhere you just don't know if
anything could live up to thehype after that many years, but
the exception being that it justshattered everything would be
Top Gun Maverick.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah that.
But it's learned also from someof these missteps, if you want
to call them those, from theselong droughts from franchises,
and so they really have beenable to look back and see, well,
they did this and they did thatand it wasn't exactly true and
here's what the fan base issaying, like that.
So they really did a good jobof being able to stay away from
(30:20):
those pitfalls that otherfranchises, with the long
drought, have been able to orfell into, and so they did such
a good job with that.
That was really and that'ssomething that when we were
talking about, we just fannedall over.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, because it's warranted when you have a long
drought like that.
Indiana Jones and the Kingdomof the Crystal Skull still did
huge boxing.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
You know, because so many people were thirsty for
that next story.
I rewatched it again recentlyand I don't hate the film.
Neither I think it's got a lot.
I think it could if there was afan at it and there were some
things taken out here and there.
I don't have a problem with thenuking of the fridge.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, I never.
I thought that was great and itwas a not to the future.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Well, yeah, you've got again a resourcefulness a
lead lined refrigerator in anuclear blast.
Oh, who could survive that?
So we're not going to talkabout the inflatable raft
jumping out of a plane inIndiana Jones and the Temple of
Doom sliding down a Himalayanmountain into a river in India.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
That's okay, but we're going to bang on the
Ripping out of a heart.
Ripping out the heart yes, mpg13?
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, we're okay with all of that stuff Ghosts coming
out of the Ark of the Covenantand all that.
He's 2,000 years old.
Yeah, I think.
For me, one of the issues thatKingdom of the Crystal Skull had
and I had a couple with itHarrison Ford was fantastic, as
(32:04):
ever.
He has gone on record to saythat Indiana Jones is his
favorite role.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Oh really.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, I think that's his favorite character.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I can see it.
It's a great role.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, he plays that character just completely to the
tee.
You couldn't.
Everything that you can't geton paper he brings to it.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, it was one of those born-to-play situations.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Exactly.
One of the issues I had with itwas in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
It was more or less a solo typestory, with the exception of
Marion that you get to and theirchemistry was on.
Her character was fan.
You know one of those early onthings where Harrison Ford has
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played alongside some verystrong female characters in his
movies.
In the popular ones as cockyand brash as Han Solo is,
princess Leia wasn't takinganything.
No, no.
I mean, she went toe-to-toe withMarion Ravenwood.
Same thing Wasn't taking any ofhis crap went toe-to-toe.
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This is late 70s, early 80s,before all this Everything was
born to, where femaleempowerment and whatnot, where
it was at the forefront ofthings, like it is today, these
are things that back then youwant to see the male superhero
Machica, and here you gotPrincess Leia dressing him down.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, put him in this place every chance.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, yeah.
And Marion Ravenwood, KarenAllen, slugging him right in the
jaw as soon as he runs into her.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
She's incredible Karen Allen's, one of my
favorite actresses of all time.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I've always loved her , and she was born to play that
role too.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
It fits her so well.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
So you had kind of the tandem there, and then the
chemistry of short round inIndiana Jones in the Temple of
Doom worked phenomenal.
You know, it just worked.
Yeah yeah, you go to talkingabout movie quotes, you call him
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Dr Jones, doll Dr Jones.
So I mean just so many goodones.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
No time for love, Dr Jones Yep.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
The chemistry between Sean Connery and Harrison Ford
in the Last Crusade.
I was not feeling the chemistrywith Shia LaBeouf and Harrison
Ford in the Kingdom of theCrystal Stone.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
That was disappointing for me, because I
am a fan of Shia LaBeouf andI've seen him do some really
good things, and the first timeI got introduced to him was in
that Project Greenlight.
Did you ever see that show withBen Affleck and Matt Damon?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I know what it is, but I didn't see it.
It's where you could basicallyget your script right.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, they helped do that and there was a new season
out recently that I think theydid that.
But that was the first timethat I saw him Shia LaBeouf
because he was in some Disneymovie holes and he just had this
charm and charismatic way abouthim and he did a great job and
I think the movie was Battle ofShaker Heights was the name of
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it and so that's what put him onthe map for me and since then
I've liked what he's done.
But he's had some challenges inhis life and some personal
battles and I thought he wasgreat.
Casting him as this adventurerthat's going to be like Harrison
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Ford offspring and being ableto do something like that.
I thought that was really good.
But that's one of those timeswhere the chemistry didn't
really match up.
For some reason it just didn't.
It was oil and water, for somereason.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, it wasn't Hayden Christensen and Natalie
Portman bad, but it didn't feelnatural and I think, yeah, I
think, you know, with ShiaLaBeouf I think back to the
original Transformers film andhe's got a timing he does, but
he's got timing to go ahead andact with, because that role that
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he plays in Transformers andthe timing he I mean you could
see that the guy, the guy knowswhat he's doing.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
He's got some chops to him for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
He was good.
I enjoyed him in Fury yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, that's a gritty movie.
That's a good movie, yeah.
So that's one of the things,what's that he pulled his tooth
out for that Because hischaracter he thought his
character had that grit to him.
He like literally pulled histooth out for that character in
that movie.
Oh my God, I didn't know that.
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Yeah, the deal was wild.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Did anybody?
When he did that, did peoplehave trouble recognizing him?
Did anyone dare say to him youare not LaBeouf.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You are not LaBeouf.
I love that line too.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Nothing to do with any of the Jones, but I love
that line.
So that was one of the things.
The other thing to me, it justhad a different feel to it once
it got to like the jungle.
It looked too green, it lookedtoo oversaturated for me.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I think that it had.
It fell into a dilemma of CGI,like the technology wasn't
exactly there for what they weretrying to do, and I think
that's where it fell into itWith Spielberg and Jurassic Park
.
There was like a blend of thatand so it looked incredible.
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There was like a blend ofpractical and there was a blend
of CGI and it was like, like wesaid, nobody was doing that at
the time, so for him to be ableto do that was incredible.
And I think this fell into atrap of doing more CGI than
practical and in-camera, and Ithink that's where that
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believability or fake came intoplay and it came across in the
finished product.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Right it, just for me .
It didn't visually feel likethe other films.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
You know it seemed a little too clean in spots.
I thought the areas where theyfilmed in the desert area of 51
and in the warehouse at thebeginning of the film felt like
an Indiana Jones movie.
It gets out in the jungle andthings are a little too green,
you know it.
Just it didn't.
It had its moments where it did.
But you know Kate Blanchett,who all watching about anything.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Anything about I mean she's phenomenal, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Again, it was one of those ones where even she
couldn't do a ton withultimately an uninteresting
character I found yeah yeah,that's where I was too.
It the interdimensional beings,as they called them.
I didn't have a huge problemwith all that, because if you're
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watching these movies andyou're seeing a 900 year old
knight help you or question youabout the holy grail, then you
really shouldn't have a problemwith interdimensional aliens.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
We've seen close encounters of the third kind,
We've seen ET, we've seen StarWars.
I mean we've seen all thesethings.
So we're completely okay withalien beings being here and
being like the finale of theirmovie.
So that's never been a problemwith us.
We've always been able to goalong with that.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
So you know it was a film.
It was the lowest rated of youknow the Metacritic and Rotten
Tomatoes as far as a criticalconsensus and fan base Of the
Indiana Jones children franchise.
(40:25):
Yeah, of the four that were out,and then we get to, so it was
2008.
So we had like 19 years betweenIndiana Jones films and then,
you know, we had another roughly14 years going on, 15 between
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Indiana Jones and the Kingdom ofthe Crystal Skull and Indiana
Jones and the Dial of Destiny.
So Dial of Destiny is the firsttime that you start to see a
different core team with theaddition of James Mangold, right
, yeah.
Taking over the director'schair.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, that was interesting to see Spielberg
stepping down for that Stillbeing a part of it, but not, you
know, directly behind thecamera like he usually was, so
that was interesting.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
That's always a concern when you have an
established you know filmfranchise.
Now you know James Bond.
I don't know that there's beenone person that's directed more
than one Bond film.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, I can't think of one.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
You know, you hear Indiana Jones and you know to me
I think, harrison Ford,spielberg, george Lucas and John
Williams, that's core four whenyou take one of those parts out
.
And Spielberg was an executiveproducer, so you know he was a
real hit.
And I'm knowing what I've readabout James Mangold.
I'm sure that you know therewere discussions that James
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Mangold you know, tip of the cat.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
We could also bring into play Kathleen Kennedy.
She's been a part of thisfranchise the whole way through
as well.
So not to snub Kathleen,because she's been an integral
part as her career has grown,and so has the franchise of
Indiana Jones.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
That's fair to say.
Yeah, I guess I've.
There's a lot of vitriol.
That's the second time I'veused this word today.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
The big one.
Was it in your calendar?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, no, no, it wasn't.
It wasn't on my screen saver onmy Mac either.
No, I just with.
She catches a lot of flak fromthe Star.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Wars movie.
Yeah, and there is A lot of it.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
They don't realize that she was there at the
beginning, when everything wasgood.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
You brought up like the intercoles of this and I
thought that there was somevideo where Spielberg was
talking like introducingeverybody during the Dial of
Destiny, like a pub that washappening, and I thought she
kind of got slighted because hewas like we wouldn't be here if
it wasn't for these integralpeople and he named off like
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John Williams, harrison Ford.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Like I did.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Like you did.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Did I just snub, kathleen?
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Kennedy, you did the same thing that Spielberg did.
That's why I had to bring it in.
Poor Kathleen sitting overthere, she was like waiting for
a high five and turned it into aslow clap for herself.
Poor girl.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
The awkward slow cap from the top.
Yeah, oh, I'll just so highfive and turn it into a clap the
old trip and start running outof nowhere.
Oh God, what a shit.
I'm sorry KK.
But, just KK.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
We don't need to go any further with the case.
I know we're doing Nazis andeverything.
No, we're gonna stop it.
Stop it, stop it too.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yep, agreed so with my snub of Kathleen Kennedy Dial
of Destiny.
You know this marks, I believeat the time of shooting Harrison
Ford was near 78 years old.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
He was up there a little longer than the tooth, as
they say.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
But I think there's not too many of us who wouldn't
want to be in the condition thatHarrison Ford is at now 80, but
78 years old.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
And the dude keeps on going.
He keeps flying on his own,crashing on his own.
I mean, the guy is a survivor,we all know yeah definitely.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
You know, during the filming of Force Awakens, a prop
door on the Millennium Falconslammed shut on Broke's leg
during the Force Awakens.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
During this, during the filming of this, he had
shoulder surgery right.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, and during a fight scene had to get shoulder
surgery and I have to wonder.
There is a scene towards theend of the movie where he and
Phoebe are in pursuit of thedial and they're climbing up the
side of this thing and she'slike wondering why he's not, are
you gonna go?
And he's like he goes.
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I'm just wondering what I'mdoing up here with Two bad
shoulders and no knees and stufflike that.
That's one of the things withoutgoing and doing our usual
breakdown of scene by scene, soI don't make this four hours
long the overall feeling of dialof destiny to me felt like an
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Indiana Jones movie, like itwould have fit right in with the
beginning had Harrison Ford,indiana Jones, played this part
in his 40s.
It felt like that kind offeeling which is, I think, a
testament to James Mangold andbeing able to capture kind of
that feeling with all the nodsof things.
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One of the things that is a badthing to do in an Indiana Jones
film is be on a motorcycle withIndiana Jones.
That never, that rarely goeswell For other people.
Yeah, getting thrown off near avehicle, you'll be run over.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, he's undefeated in that, and that's how these
kill counts.
Just keep clicking up, keepgoing.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
And we will stop right there with this episode of
this won't teach you anything.
As usual, when I get talking toFunko Hipster, things go way
longer than we ever anticipateand it ends up being a two or
three episode marathon.
But when you have something asinteresting to me and pop
culture as Indiana Jones, it'seasy to do so.
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