Part 2: A Tribute to Good Will Hunting: Unforgotten Insights and Reflections

Ever wondered about the delicate dynamics that unfolded between Sean McGuire and Will Hunting in the classic film “Good Will Hunting”? It’s a bond worth examining, as we see it steer the course of the storyline and leave an unforgettable impact. Join Josh, Jake and I, as we delve into the intricacies of this unique relationship, discussing how their therapy sessions become a platform for thought-provoking conversations about love, art, and war. We also take a moment to acknowledge the recent loss of prized entertainers Steve Harwell and Jimmy Buffett, talking about their contributions to our pop culture.

The discussion then moves into the brilliance of the film's writing, cinematography, and its timeless quotes. We dissect key scenes, including the psychology behind the iconic moment when Will gets choked, and the book 'I'm Okay, You're Okay' appears in the background. Get ready to feel like a virtual tourist in Boston as we explore its depiction in the film. As the conversation expands beyond the scope of Good Will Hunting, we share our thoughts on famous bromance films, potential future collaborations and our favourite movie couples.

In the final leg of our journey, we reflect on the emotionally charged scenes of the film and their personal impact on us. One of us even shares how the movie inspired a significant life change. We discuss how Robin Williams' ad-libbed lines contributed to these powerful moments and the film's lasting influence. As we close, we ponder over the film’s perfect ending and the memorable lines that have stayed with us. So, join us in this exciting exploration of one of the greatest films of our time, remembering that, "It’s your move, chief!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to this episode of this Won't Teach you
Anything.
In this episode we'll continueour discussion with my good
friends, josh and Jake about thefilm Good Will Hunting.
It's the second part of ourdiscussion.
As often happens, we go aheadand talk a lot and we went for
over two hours on this, andthat's the reason that we are in

(00:29):
two episodes.
I wanted to go ahead and mentionthe past in a couple
entertainers, since this is apop culture podcast.
This past week we've lost SteveHarwell of the band Smash Mouth
, known famously over for AllStar and Walking on the Sun.

(00:52):
He was only 56 years old and wealso lost Jimmy Buffett of
Margaritaville fame Beach Bumlifestyle.
I had the pleasure of going toa couple Buffett shows and they
were always something that drewhuge crowds Every summer, I know

(01:14):
here in Indiana, down at whatused to be Deer Creek Music
Center Now I believe it'sRoo-Off Music Center.
It was always hey, are yougoing to the Buffett show?
And so Jimmy Buffett willdefinitely be missed.
Last episode we left offtalking about the complicated

(01:38):
relationship of Sean McGuire andWill Hunting in their therapy
sessions, and that's what we'regoing to pick up here, with Jake
starting us off talking aboutthat relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
All right.
So one of the interestingthings about if you're paying
attention to when Sean and Willare together is the smoking
aspect of when he comes in there, because the first one he comes
in there lights it up, and Seanis still getting to know him.
This is the first introduction.
So there's, the boundaries arebeing found out by both sides

(02:15):
and Sean makes a littleoff-color joke about you know,
if you probably be a hanky, youwould probably be a healthier
for you to stick that cigaretteup your ass, you know.
So he's letting them know thatyou know smoking isn't supposed
to be going on here, but I'mallowing it because we're just
getting to know each other.
Next time that they see eachother, Will comes in and he's

(02:36):
already smoking because he feelslike he bested Sean, and so
Sean comes out and they gostraight out to the bench.
You don't see him smoking.
So after he says it's your move, chief, the next time that you
see them having their meeting,he comes in, tries to light up

(02:56):
and he goes no smoking.
So he's letting them knowdistinctly these are the rules
now that we have established,and I have set these parameters
around this, and so you have toabide by them.
And it's still your move.
No more talking.
You have to open up to me, andthis is the rules of therapy.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Right, he's building a trust from that point and also
establishing that while they'rein there for therapy, that you
know he's in there to go aheadand help Will, and Will has to
be, you know, at a point wherehe's accepting the help.
But to do that they've got togo ahead and exist in the world

(03:42):
where Sean is in charge, yeah,to go and do that, but he you
know he didn't come down withthe heavy hand you know kind of
segwayed into it in a more agentler way that Will, accepted
from the fact of what they hadbeen through with their previous
encounters.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, that's true, and so I think that that is one
of those things that I don'tknow this as a father.
You know this as a father, butyou, you don't necessarily have
to be the friends of your sonsor sons or daughters or anything
, but you still have to showauthority to them and you want

(04:27):
to be liked by them, but youstill have to put down the rules
, and I think that's somethingthat he did, and not necessarily
in the way that the, the, the,was it, the foster parents did
or whoever the father figures ormother figures did with him
before.
So he did it in a more, a moreloving way, because he wants to

(04:47):
find out about him.
You have to open it up to him.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Right and and Will you know?
I mean the character wants togo ahead and and you feel that
he wants the help, but he justhas like zero trust in in
anybody outside of his circle offriends.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah, very true .

Speaker 1 (05:10):
You know when, when Sean talks to him about you know
, after you know, you destroy it.
You saw one painting anddestroyed my life in a tour of
my life apart.
And then he makes mention onthat bench of.
But then it occurred to meyou're just a kid and you don't
have the faintest idea of whatyou're talking about.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, I like that I like that I like that I mean, I
will take that in, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
No, you're, you're right.
I mean, it's a hundred percent,and you know that's when he
hits him.
I believe, with it's your movechief.
And then he gets up and justwalks away and leaves Will just
sitting there.
You know, like, like or justmentioned, just you know letting
that sink in.
You know you could tell it'slike the first time it really
connected, you know with him.

(05:57):
You know that somebody wouldwould go ahead and challenge
Will in that way and Will stayssilent.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
That's like you know, whereas you know as quick with
it as he is he.
He showed some respect to Seanand just took it.
You know what I mean.
He didn't.
He didn't fight back onanything that Sean was saying.
He didn't try to get wise withhim and just right.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Or maybe he just didn't know how, you know, maybe
it, maybe it hit him so muchthat he just didn't know how to
react.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
And I think it's also like you said, he doesn't
really know how to react, buthe's also being challenged in a
way that he hasn't beenchallenged with other people,
because Sean is challenging themwith knowing that his all the
different aspects love, art, warand those things those things

(06:50):
are bringing, being brought upby Sean, and he's also being
vulnerable at the same same timeBecause, like you, have to go
through life and experience itrather than reading it in a book
, and that's something that Willhas not perceived in a way that
that he thinks that reading abook will be a way to be able to

(07:12):
transport you to all thesedifferent places.
When, when Sean is trying toexplain to him what real love is
, what, what going to theSistine Chapel is what holding
your best friend in your armsand, no, you can't do anything
to it those are things that aredescribed to him, that that open

(07:34):
.
I think it unlocks some thingsfor Will to be able to
understand that and itchallenges him in another way
and intellectually.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
And the audience too.
That's a big audience grabber.
You know, those those humanelements that you know hold you
in a story, even though it'sfiction.
You know there's usuallysomething in somebody's life
that you can identify with.
But just those those heavyhuman elements that they brought
in that scene that just kind ofsmacks you in the face.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, you can go ahead and see that.
That's why it's so astonishingto me that the you know the film
I don't have exact ages, youknow, and, jake, you mentioned
over the course of the yearsthat that this film was written,
the screenplay was written, but, you know, the screenplay
itself shows a lot, a lot ofmaturity.

(08:25):
I mean, you know, it's writtenby people.
It feels like, and the quotesand the lines, they feel like
they're written by somebody whohas lived their life and has
experienced all this stuff.
You know, for these guys tocome up with this stuff is

(08:46):
incredible.
I mean, you know this, thisline, right here from the scene
we were just talking about, whenit's a quote from the film and
it's when Sean is talking toWill on the bench there and he's
he's talking to him about how,you know, will hasn't basically
an answer for everything andit's you know it's it's from

(09:08):
this.
And he he says I'd ask you aboutlove, you'd probably quote me
as sonnet, but you've neverlooked at a woman and been
totally vulnerable, knownsomeone that could level you
with her eyes, feeling like Godput an angel on earth just for
you, who could rescue you fromthe depths of hell.
I mean, you know just that kindof thought process you know for

(09:28):
somebody.
You know in their 20s, whenthey're, when they're writing
this, I mean, and to go aheadand have to go and flesh out
these different characters andand then make the connection
between them that feels naturaland genuine with with a line
like that.
That's basically saying youknow you've and he does say it

(09:50):
in a later line when he talksabout you know, it's all stuff
that that you're learning frombooks, that someone else is
telling you, and even Willmentions it at the what they
call the Harvard bar, early inthe film.
You know that he accuses the,the one guy that's going to
Harvard, of not having anoriginal thought.

(10:12):
Well, in a way that's whatSean's telling Will Exactly.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
So you know he can.
He can go ahead and read allabout this stuff, but he does he
really understand it.
It's all based off of whatsomebody else has told him.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
And I don't think he understands that he doesn't
understand.
He thinks, because I've read itand I've soaked it in this way,
that that's the way that it is.
So yeah, again I rewatched it,but just hearing it broken down
that way gives me a newappreciation for that.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
And, yeah, that goes along the line with what they
were trying to do Matt David andBen Affleck.
They were trying to be actorsand they were wanting roles like
this.
So they are going in andreading auditions of all these
other movies.
I mean, he was up for a cent ofa woman.
He lost it to Chris O'Donnell,so that also has great writing

(11:04):
in it.
School ties there there wassome good writing in that.
I mean, worked with DenzelWashington.
These guys were trying to bethese other people and to try to
write something like that.
They've read plenty of booksand plays and monologues
throughout the years to be ableto know that they are.
They are acting this way, butliving it and knowing it in a

(11:27):
real way is something that theyhadn't done.
So this part that they'rewriting is something that
they're experiencing as well,where they haven't lived it, but
they are trying to experienceit through the writing and
making this scene happen.
Does that make any sense?

Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, it makes 100% sense.
Still, the fact they're able towrite.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
that is incredible.
I wasn't even thinking aboutthat, like I said, and you
bringing that up, just like Ididn't think about how young
they had to be to write thosescenes, Even at that young age,
to have that understanding ofhow Sean should talk to Will and
Will.
So at a young age they got it.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah and true.
With this and I can't put myfinger on every one, but there's
with Robin Williams it alwaysseems like you're going to get a
certain amount of ad lib.
The scene where he talks abouthis wife farting, that wasn't in
the script he came up with thaton the fly, but it fits so

(12:35):
perfect We'll get to it at theend.
but the famous last line of themovie he ad lipped and again
it's like he had such anunderstanding of the character
and it's done.
The movie's made so well, theacting's so good, that you just

(12:55):
take for granted.
When you hear these lines andwhen I read that one and you
said it, it opened it up for youyou just kind of get lost in
the fact that.
Oh, this is Sean McGuiretalking.
It's wise advice, but the wordsare coming from Damon and

(13:15):
Affleck at 20-some years old.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, I think that's the reason why people thought
that the conspiracy theory isthat William Goldman wrote this
and that they put their name onit Because it was in his hands
at one point.
And I think that WilliamGoldman made one remark or one

(13:40):
joke in a book that he wrote,and then he said that it was a
joke, it was off-handed thing,but he didn't have anything to
do with it, and he said that hecouldn't write something like
that.
So there is that theory of howcould these young guys be able
to write such beautifulcharacters and still not be able
to live those lives yet?

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, I mean, it's some deep stuff that they talk
about throughout, but we've beenable to see in their career.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I mean, Ben Affleck is an Oscar-winning director and
been able to do these things,and Damon, I mean he's done some
pretty good roles as well.
But to have those originalthoughts, to be able to write
those out, that's a differentmuscle to be able to flex.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, yeah, it's like lightning in a bottle this
movie, especially this early onjust absolutely great.
And, like I said, we talked alittle bit earlier about the
different quotes and how quotesfrom movies can be the

(14:56):
off-handed one-liners that wethrow out day to day.
But the one that I just read,and then there's just so many
quotes in here or scenes thatjust you know, just absolutely
just grab a hold of you and takeyou right back into the movie.

(15:17):
If you've seen it and it meantsomething to you, you know
exactly where those scenes wereand you know so again, to be
able to write from theperspective of the therapist,
the psychologist, that orpsychiatrist that went ahead and
I guess psychologist more youknow that had lived a full life,

(15:45):
not that he was ready to die oranything, but had lived a
marriage, lost his wife, foughtin a war, had all these things
go on in his life to write thatguy.
To go ahead and write thestudent from England that comes
down, to write the guys that arelaborers, that are his good

(16:10):
friends and they're perfectlyfine with it.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
So Andy talks about the writing and the maturity it
took Jake, from a cinematicpoint of view or a scene set up
it.
Was there anything you pickedup on that you thought was
unique to the film that stoodout to you?
I know we've talked aboutbefore that the slow-mo fight
scene and what that added withCarmine when they did that scene

(16:38):
but is there anything else thatstood out to you?

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, there was.
I mean, that's obviously aclassic one that I think you
said earlier that they shot inboth regular speed and in
slow-mo and had them acted outin slow-motion and regular speed
.
So I mean they were reallymessing with the time in that,
and I think the overall look ofit and the cinematography of it

(17:04):
was something that put you in aplace and was able to capture
Boston in a way that I don'tknow because I haven't been
there.
But I see it in this way andthat's how I picture Boston, the
way that they captured it, theway that he was taking the train
at night, alone on the train.
He was the only one on there,but he's going through this to

(17:26):
try to be able to get there.
So that gives you a mindset anda space reality in the film
itself, and so I think thecinematography is a great way of
being able to put you in thatplace and some of the
mise-en-scene.
That's in some of the scenes,where one of my favorite is when

(17:48):
he gets choked and you see thebook on there.
It says I'm okay, you're okayRight over his left shoulder.
You can see that with Will whenhe's getting his neck choked,
and so that could go with abunch of different ways in the
psychology of it, where this isnormally how he has authority
figures express their power overWill and he's okay with it, and

(18:14):
so that could be a way ofinterpreting it.
And there's another way thathe's in a position that he's not
okay and he has to leave thesituation and not be physical
with somebody like that.
But when it comes to also withthe sound that we haven't even
brought up, like Elliot Smith'smusic that was put in there for

(18:38):
Miss Misery that was up for anOscar, and Danny Elfman with the
score that came in there andreally laid a mood into the film
that there wasn't too manyupbeat songs or putting things
in a different way.
So I think the score had a bigeffect on that as well.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
We can maybe hit it at the end, but I'll bring it up
now to curious if you guys knowwhat the last song of the movie
was.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Afternoon Delight.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
God damn it.
You know it's funny.
Is there anybody else whodoesn't associate that with this
movie, but a different one?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, Anchorman 100%.
There's also a scene inArrested Development that has
Afternoon Delight in it, or doyou remember that one when they
do karaoke and Jason Bateman andmaybe get up there and try to
start a party he's singing with?

Speaker 3 (19:41):
his niece, yeah.
And then, oh, portia I don'tremember her character, but
Ellen's wife, portia Derossi.
Yeah, they're singing withMichael Cera, they're singing
after him.
They're like, oh yeah, thisdoesn't really go real well.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
There's also PCU, yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
PCU.
They lock people in there andplay that song you sound like
you've got mental problems, man.
Dang it.
I thought I'd stump you guys onthat one.
I got it by Andy yeah, you did,but you stuck it through and I
was like I'm watching it becauseI forget where the remote was.
I couldn't find him.
I let it play through and I waslike boy, they're really going

(20:20):
to stick this all the way out.
They played the entire song.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, that was a long shot too that they were showing
him driving the whole way.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Which was comedic, because he's earlier on, yeah
he's going to see about thisgirl Going to find my baby.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, yeah, they played the whole song.
And it works with that too.
Yeah, because he wants someafternoon delight.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
And I thought it was funny because the movie itself,
you wouldn't describe it as acomedy, even though there's
obviously plenty of parts inthere.
So just to have the comedicrelief at the end.
Yeah, a little nod and a wink.
Yeah, exactly yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Pretty nice.
This movie made me think aboutsome bromance because of Matt
and Ben.
This really blew them up intheir career and they've made a
few movies together and Ithought this was something that
was pretty interesting.
Are there any romances outthere that you guys, when it

(21:24):
comes to you, want to see Mattand Ben do another movie?
I would love to see Will andChuckie doing something right
now, 25 years later, to seewhere they're at, or them being
in that last duel, or being inMallrats and the Kevin Smith
universe, the Views Q.
It made me think about some ofthe other great bromances that

(21:47):
are out there where it's the twoguys that are together.
You would love to see moremovies of them, and one that
first comes up to mind is likePaul Newman and Robert Redford
doing both Cassidy and SundanceKid and also the Sting.
Yeah, it would have been greatfor them to make more of those.
Do you guys have any of those?

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I don't know if it's considered a.
You know how much of a bromanceit is.
I don't know what the rules are.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
I thought she'd be f-cash-ticking.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Thank you, Jake, what the rules are on it.
But you know, and, Jake, you'regoing to be 100% on board with
this one.
Decaprio and Ed Pitt I want tosee something else with those
guys.
Oh, that was incredible yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I love watching those guys hang out together and that
movie once upon a time inHollywood is I admitted that
that's my number two Quentinmovie behind Paul Feiglin.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
I'd say we could do a podcast on that, but nobody'd
get a word in.
Jake would just talk for sevenhours.
How many times have you seenthat movie now?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
I've seen it over 30 times now.
I saw it 15 times in thetheater Holy smokes.
Yeah, I saw it a couple oftimes with QT himself.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
So that was pretty nice.
Oh, we're not even QuentinTarantino, we are QT.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
QT, that's your bromance.
There it is.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, I want to see the Jake and QT.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Were you able to ask him a question?

Speaker 2 (23:25):
No, I was not.
It was before the movie, so itwas just an intro, and then
afterwards it had a couple ofmoderators in it, so they had
other people.
Curtis Hansen, I think, was amoderator on one of them that
was asking them questions.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
You should have got your feet out.
I was not.
What's that?
You should have got your feetout.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, I should have, but there's only one film left
to be able to watch.
He's got a new book coming outNovember 1st.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Oh yeah, what's it about?

Speaker 2 (24:03):
They're doing.
It's talking about cinema.
I haven't seen it, but they'redoing at his theater in New
Beverly.
They're doing a book releaseparty.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
What.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
I'm going to see if.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
I can make it what, any hints or anything about what
that last movie might be KillBill 3.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Kill Bill 3.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
More blood?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
More blood.
Yeah yeah, the talk is Zendaya,as what's her name, vivica Fox,
her daughter and Maya Hawk Uma.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Thurman's daughter.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
How about that?
She would be fighting it out.
Yeah, that'd be great.
I'd love to have that as theending chapter.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, I don't think it would be.
I mean, one thing that we canall agree on here is that, you
know, segueing back intoGoodwill hunting is there was
very little blood in Goodwillhunting Family oriented Very, or
oriented yeah, filming, yeah,so yeah, they did that for you,

(25:17):
buddy.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
So shout out to Ort and the limit of the blood on
the Goodwill hunting set.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
I'm just saying say so, say the, you know seeing
where they get into the brawl,you know.
Say that just there's justblood spurt, and all over the
place She'd be like eh, it's twodifferent moments.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (25:36):
I'm just saying it wasn't in there and it was
fabulous.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah Well, you didn't understand why it was in the
other end kill bill.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Those sorts can't be the whole point of it.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I mean you haven't seen Lady Snow Snowblood, have
you?
Because that was an homage ofwhat she was doing and a lot of
those films were bloodridiculously pouring out,
shooting out, gushing out.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
So is it like you said?

Speaker 2 (26:06):
oh my, over the top for a reason.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, just like you know, Jackie Brown was an homage
, the whole movie, to those.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
BlacksPlayStation.
Yep, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
But I digress the uh, we digress.
Okay, we do.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
I'll jump on that.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Uh, was there?
Was there anybody else that?
Or what do you got for bromance?
Who's like?
You brought up somebody, didn'tyou?

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Well, as far as uh like comedy, I thought uh, will
Ferrell and John C Reilly havedone pretty good together with
oh yeah, talladega andstepbrothers.
Yeah, just great, yeah, comedicfilms.
Yeah, no, that's right, they'rejust so good together, those
guys work, work very welltogether.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I'll tell you one that I'm I'm excited about
seeing oh, let's hear about that.
Uh, ryan Reynolds and HughJackman.
Deadpool three oh the way they.
They go back and forth onTwitter all the time.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
With stuff that should be, should be fantastic.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
So has Hugh Jackman been in the other two?
No, he hasn't been in right,brad Pitt was in one.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Um, yeah, yep, Yep, for for about six seconds.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yep, yeah, that was so good.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Uh, yeah, no, I'm looking forward to that.
Eddie Murphy and MartinLawrence, and that's a good,
good one.
I had a having two peopletogether.
Life we talked about lifeearlier.
Underrated movie.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Highly underrated yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Oh, that whole cast in there.
What was that?

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Chris.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Rack and Murphy.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Martin Lawrence was one of his friends oh that's
right.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I would like to see them do some more.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Maybe Clooney and Pitt.
You guys uh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah.
I enjoyed all the uh oceansmovies.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah they were.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
I like the.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Oceans.
Yeah, is there anything elsethat they were in.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Did they burn after?

Speaker 3 (28:30):
reading Was that.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, chad.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
He thinks that's a who else is that Malkovich?
Yeah yeah, that was anunderrated Cohen brothers movie.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
That's stupid Look right before he gets his head
blown off in the closet.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, that's a good one, yeah,yeah, I just thought that.
No, it's a good question.
Good question Because this wasa budding one that we didn't
know that was going to blow upas much as it did.
And, yeah, it's great.
Did you guys get a chance tosee the last dual the movie that

(29:12):
they did last year?

Speaker 1 (29:13):
No, I, a woman I work with, brought it up and told me
it was a completely differentfilm than she thought it would
be.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
It's not good In a positive way or a negative way.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
No, it just just completely different, yeah, you
know, than what she expected.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, it's a, it's a period piece and it has an
aspect of like three differentstories, exactly.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
From three different points of view.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Three there is the same story from three different
points of view.
Yes, yes, ok, rush them on.
Yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I'd like to see it.
Some ridiculous hairstyles, butI'm OK with that.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Full on mullet under that metal armor yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
No I.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
But that's the.
That's crazy that they chosethat to be the follow up to
their writing of GoodwillHunting and write that I mean
it's powerful and it's a good,good film, but it's nowhere
close to the same kind offeeling and writing that they
did and for them to come back,like 20, some years later, to to

(30:24):
have that as their follow up.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
But how many, how many people can pull that off,
right?
You know?
I mean, that's why you hear somuch about the one hit wonders,
right?
Not?
Not not comparing this to that,but it's.
It's good when, when you debutwith something that is so good,
it's so hard to go ahead andlive up to that, right?
I?

Speaker 2 (30:46):
mean even after all, that it's all life.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great point.
Excuse me, orson Wells.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Orson Wells After Citizen Kane Citizen.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Kane, um yeah, yep.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
A spoiler alert.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, you know you, in terms of like, you know one
hit wonder where you were.
You know a song is so catchyand whatnot that it's.
It's hard for the next song togo ahead and live up to that.
One of the people that I would,I can think of Two directors

(31:27):
that I think you know have did agreat job of being able to
maintain what they've, whatthey're known for, and I mean
first, you know, would be, youknow from different times, would
be one would be Hitchcock.
The type of films that he did,and Tarantino, you know you

(31:50):
refer.
I mean there's very fewdirectors that you talk about.
I can't wait to see the nextTarantino film.
You know what I mean.
People talk about it that way,you know.
You don't hear many people sayI can't wait for the next, I
mean even even night.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Shyamalan Right, I mean, he'd been, you know, after
that sense yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
He, he tried to go ahead.
Okay, I got to do this.
I've got to have this twist inevery film I make now, and it's
got to be, you know.
And so it became.
I think it just seemed like itwas just trying too hard to
capture what.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
what happened before that was funny that you bring up
M night because, on a personalnote with with us, you talked
about going into Goodwillhunting, not knowing anything
about it pretty much, and justwatching that it made me think
of the first time we saw thevillage.
We went and seen that after thesixth sense, which it's.

(32:48):
It's a pretty good movie now,but at the time we didn't get
the sixth sense part two,basically, and we were not happy
about it.
And we ducked into a movietheater and saw the Royal
Tenenbombs for the first time,not knowing anything about it,
and sat in on that and had ahell of a time.
That's still one of ourfavorite movies, to quote to

(33:10):
each other.
Yep, and that was dipping in onanother theater, another film,
because we were pissed off.
This movie sucked so bad.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, I'll tell you what that is.
That's a director there, thatthat and writer director.
That is either hit or miss fora ton of people.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
You know, like Royal Tenenbombs, I'll watch that
whenever, whenever.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I see it.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
You know I don't see it on like I see the Godfather
on, and rightly so.
But you know, anytime I do, Ithat's.
It's an.
It's Wes Anderson.
His films are acquired taste.
They can be.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
But yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Gene Hackman is just so great in that movie.
Yeah, I mean it's just theinteraction between everybody.
You know Owen Wilson's OwenWilson, but yeah, you know, I
mean Gene Hackman plays acompletely different character,
ben Stiller in that yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, there's a, there's a tie.
You bring up Gene Hackman.
It made me think of Good WillHunting, and one of the things
that they thought and inspiredwas Robin Williams, when he
walked away from the bench andhe said you're moved, chief.
That was they wanted thefeeling of Gene Hackman when

(34:31):
he's talking to Jimmy aboutcoming onto the, onto the game
for Hoosiers, onto the team, andthey when he left him after
that.
That's what they wanted to feelafter that.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Mission accomplished.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yes, yeah, it's like you're moved, chief, yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Same thing with Gene Hackman.
That was a tone setter for sure.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, wow.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, yeah.
So Gene's not known for doingcomedy, so for him to do the
Royal Tone.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Bomb?
No, that's what I mean it was.
It was so good.
He was solid in that too.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, it makes me wish that he did more comedies,
because he did get shorty afterthat or was it after that or
before that?
But get shorty and Royal ToneBomb's in about the same same
tight and period.
And if he was doing somecomedies when he was younger you
probably do some killer thingsthat would have been great.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Hey, just in that realm of that kind of comedy,
Andy, have you ever seen bottlerockets?
Is that Wes Anderson Jake.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, that's what's interesting.
That was the first one, yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
With both Wilson brothers and that's underrated
because that's good stuff andhe's a lot of those same actors.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, he uses a lot of the same actors.
You know, Bill Murray almostalways shows up in a Wes
Anderson film.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, and when we talk about all the time.
Fantastic, mr Fox we need tobreak that down one day, because
that's, that's, that's justgenius comedy.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
It really is.
I think it's on Disney Plus.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
That sounds right, yeah, I think it is.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
I think they acquired it.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, you got Clooney in there.
The stripper Bill Murray yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
The stripper.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Oh, that's good stuff .

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Willem Defoe or it's favorite.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Hate that guy.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
He's pretty creepy Yep he and.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Donald Sutherland.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
That kid in Halloween ends tonight looked a little
like Willem.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Defoe.
I like that guy yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it was a fan, but yeah.
So Good Will Hunting made a wayback there.
So what's your favoritefavorite scene or favorite
moment?

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, I got to say, my favorite scene a hand is the
bar scene, when he talks aboutGordon Wood and just seeing that
and him straight up owning thatdude with his intellect.
But then after that he has thegood gracious.
If we still have a problem, wecan go outside and he can whoop
his ass.
You know it's completely owningthat dude.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, my boy is wicked smart.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, always wicked smart.
Yeah, so that would be mine.
What about you guys?

Speaker 3 (37:12):
You know we were talking all that between Sean
and Will.
Um, two, two things.
One, when Will's talking aboutto Skylar about all his brothers
, he names off like 10 brothersor whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
And then next time they're with Chucky, skylar's
like he's trying to borrow theircar from Chucky and he's like I
get out of here.
He finally does and she's likebut I want to meet your brothers
and and Chucky just gives alook like of disappointment that
he knows that Will's not beinghis true self to this girl that

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he likes.
And just that that little lookof disappointment.
And then again at theconstruction site where he
breaks down to him you know,you're smart, we're not.
You're sitting on a winninglottery ticket.
If you're still here, thenyou're going to.
You know you're going to letyourself down.
He's like well, I don't careabout that.
He's like well, then do it forme.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
You know you don't, you don't know to you, so you
owe it to me.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
You owe it to me.
Yeah, it'd be better than this.
Not that there was anythingwrong, but he's just like you've
got something, use it.
So I think the therapy of thatfriendship, of him, just being
close to him, like that I thinkI think combination of those two
scenes, of that relationship,or something I really
appreciated about the movie.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, that's you know .
I'll go with a different one,because that's one of my
favorites too.
Is that that scene?
You know?
When, you know when, when Chuck, he's talking to him and he
says you know what the best partof my day is?
He says for about 10 secondsfrom when I pull up to that curb
and when I get to your door,because I think maybe I'll knock
on the door and you won't bethere.

(38:58):
Yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, Love that.
Yeah, and I hate to be a Idon't say spoiler, but I and
rewatching that movie is 25years old, you're okay.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
We've gone over it all.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
I'm about to give some therapy here to.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Andy specifically choking him.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I'm not even going to charge you.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
It'll be a free session, how about that?
But so love that line, loved it, and.
But they pull up at the end ofthe movie.
They'd already given him thecar and he's going up to the
door like he should be there.
Well, the car's not there.
You know, they pulled up to theback.
Yeah, whatever, didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
You like the Chucky and the small suit, but you miss
, you hate that scene.
Yeah, what are you?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
doing.
You didn't like him because ofthe logistics of it.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
I'm just saying I questioned it.
Who invited him it pulled meout of this scene.
We talk all the time.
If it's something, a littlesomething, that pulls you, I
just questioned it.
I'm not saying I hate the moviebecause is it a conspiracy
theory?
You just want to labeleverything as conspiracy that
you don't agree with.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Um, you know was there any any um parts that got
you this time like hit you inthe feels?
Was there any times that youguys I don't know about you guys
, but I definitely well up allthe time.
So, there is a crying yeah, forsure.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, what would?

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I mean, you are a cry still happen.
Oh, yeah, yeah, every time,yeah, yeah, what was it for you
guys?

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Which scenes?

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Oh you know, it's not your fault.
Man, that gets everybody everytime.
Yeah that's.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
That's a good one, I think.
Um, one for me is um, that, uh,when, when Sean and Will are
talking, and it's a speech about, um, oh, you know, sean asks if
, if he's going to see, uh, will, will tells him that he's he

(41:07):
met a girl and Sean asks if he'sgoing to see her again.
And and you know I'm readinghere from the script because I
had it pulled up but it saysWill tells him um, let's see,
you know, he's describing her assmart and beautiful.
And Sean says so, christ, callher up.
And he said why?
So I can realize that she's notso smart, that she's boring.
You don't get it right now.

(41:28):
She's perfect.
I don't want to ruin that.
And then, you know, sean goesthrough and there's a line where
he says um, he says you're notperfect.
And let me save you thesuspense this girl you met, is
it either?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
love.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that'sa great one, that it really
hits home, um, and when it comesto some of the other scenes
that hit home for me, this wasan extremely personal for me, um
, because I I was perfectlyhappy with living in Fort Wayne,

(42:04):
but after watching this movie,um, I oddly enough, identified
with Will and moved away to goto film school, um, based off
both um Pulp Fiction and tryingto do something like that, but
also this movie giving me thecourage to do something like
that, because, looking at myselfand where I would be, uh, would

(42:27):
be, I wouldn't want to be whatChucky described in that.
And so that was one of thethings that I always had those
desires and wants to dosomething in Hollywood.
And if I didn't do anythingabout it, uh, you know, just
like Chucky said, you know I'mgoing to wake up tomorrow and
I'm going to be 50 and I'm finewith that, but I I felt that if

(42:49):
I woke up 50, when I was 50, Iwould not be fine with it.
So this movie really helped me,push things into place and get
me to to go and try to eithersee about a girl or do some of
the things that Sean was sayingon the bench about living life
and experiencing things, to tryto to to enjoy those things and

(43:11):
not just reading it in a book.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, yeah, and that's that's what I mean.
You know, I think with, with amovie like this you know we've
all explained different things.
I named one of my daughtersafter one of the characters.
Um, you know, you got that outof it.
You know, or with, you knowwhat he's taken away when he's
talking about.

(43:34):
You know how he sees somethingdifferent than either one of us
are seeing, even in in justlittle details of the film
itself.
Um, you know, with, with thatcarb being there, that never
occurred to me, that that it,you know, wasn't there.
And you know how would he notknow that?
Um, you know it.
It can be so many differentthings.

(43:55):
I mean, obviously you don't.
Um, I just don't think I've metanybody who's seen the film that
didn't have some kind of of um,you know, kind of a personal
buy-in to the story in one wayor another, or or a character.
You know, is it everybody'sfavorite film?

(44:15):
Probably not, but at the sametime, if there's something in
there that you can identify it,I think it's one of those movies
that you just that will, thatwill stay with you, you know.
I mean everybody can identifywith having, you know really
good friends that you knowyou're perfectly content to go
ahead and you know um sit downfor four hours at a at a

(44:40):
restaurant or a bar and just sitthere and drink and talk and
eat you know, Um, you know thatit's perfectly fine to do that,
to kill a night that way, to goahead and and have, you know,
demons that you know we allwrestle.
Some of them are smaller thanothers, but you know it's.
You know, I think it speaks toto people that way that you know

(45:03):
, put up these defenses in inone way or another, whether it
be in a, a relationship, um,maybe with a, a significant
other, with, uh, you know thatthat are struggling with some,
you know, depression or anxietyissues.
There's something in there thatI think can speak to probably
90% of the population, thingsthat are that are relative, not

(45:23):
not genius level IQs, which youknow.
Strangely enough, I didn'trevisit the trailer for this
film, but I mean it is such, a,um, a minor part of the story.
You know the IQ.
I'm sure they hit that realquick in in a trailer if they
were doing it, but you know, Imean him being it's ironic

(45:47):
because he's so smart, but itshows just how much even you
know he doesn't know, you knowabout life, and that's that's
what they they keep hittingthere.
I think it was smart that theywent ahead and had Skyler cast
as being from another country.
You know that just bringsanother angle of of something

(46:07):
that that he doesn't know and umit wasn't supposed to be that
way.
And what was it?

Speaker 2 (46:15):
What was it?
Well, they didn't, theydefinitely didn't write it that
way.
And many driver they didn'tthink that.
Some people thought that shewasn't pretty enough for that
role, and they wanted her to seeanybody else in that role.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Really I'm not dogging her performance, but I
didn't think it was anythingextraordinary.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
No, in in her role.
I couldn't have seen anybodydifferent yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
I thought it was.
I mean, I loved her performancein that and instantly made me,
I mean, change the way that Iwas dating people was based off
of some of the, the things thatshe was doing in that, so, um,
and, and the way that shetreated that, that scene about
him coming out with the truth,and how she approached that and

(47:00):
that, the way that she she didthat the crying it was so
emotional and she crumpled, andthat didn't crush you.
That breaks me every time.
That's another thing that he wasable just to look her in the
eye and say I don't love you.
Oh, that is just crushing.
And so for for her to come inthere, they tried to get her to

(47:24):
do like an American and anaccent and it wasn't.
I don't think it was workingvery well.
So they just went with that andwith them, with her going to
Harvard.
I mean, they didn't have toexplain it, explain anything to
that, because it's such adiverse, um uh, university.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, I think it worked well.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
I did have to.
Uh, uh, I made a note.
Um, when he calls her, um,after what you're talking about,
he had told her she he didn'tlove her.
But then he calls her later andshe says it again and he gets

(48:02):
his little bit of a smile, buthe can't say it back and he just
says basically, okay, goodbye.
But I love that she says it onemore time and he gets his
little smile on his face andthen just to acknowledge that he
needed that, you know, or thathe had that I think Sean had
challenged him on that about youknow, have you ever been in

(48:23):
love?
And she's telling him and hegets that little bit of smile
Again, defenses go down a littlebit, but he couldn't say it
back and had to let her go there.
But I thought that was prettypowerful.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
That could be a situation where, with him trying
to test people's loyalty andwith Sean saying it's not your
fault, you know, you just passit off.
So with her saying, you know, Ilove you.
And then for him to destroy herlike that and for her to still
say that after something likethat is just showing him that

(49:03):
she is loyal to be able to dothat again.
So the multiple times of peopleshowing something like that is
what really breaks through hisarmor and his defense mechanisms
.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
And we'd be remiss if we didn't at least mention
where Sean was talking about howhe met his wife and missed the
Red Sox World Series game.
Pudges home run yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
That's the thing.
There's so many good scenes inhere that it's hard to just say
that we have one favorite oranother.
To be able to do that, I waswatching at this week and I just
wish that I could be as good astoryteller as Robin Williams
and something like that, whereyou completely forget everything
that he had already told him.
He told him is like and I knowI wasn't at the game, I wasn't

(49:51):
there.
It's like it's so good and theway, the way that they shot it
overhead to show, to representlike a baseball field with the
four bases and then runningaround the bases, was that's one
of those things, that's nextlevel when it comes to a film

(50:12):
and cinematic uses was somethinglike that, did you guys?
You guys notice that right?

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Obviously.
Yeah, when they were talking.
Yeah, that was it.
You know it just goes on and onwith it with a $10 million
budget to be able I don't knowif there's a film out there that
got as much out of $10 millionand I say 10 million dollars
like it's 10 bucks.
But you know for a film, youknow, I mean it's, it's not a
lot.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
You could make that film today and it would be as
impactful.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah, if it were made today, not remade, but if it
were made for the first time.
I mean story wise, yes, youknow, is it a case, though is is
a movie as good with differentactors.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Well, I think it would be great, obviously
because we we know it for whatit is and the impact it had on
us at that time.
But I I think that it would beharder for something like that
to be able to make waves as bigas Good Will Hunting did at the
time because of the distributionof films.

(51:19):
There was only a certain amountof films and now all the
outlets that we have, we hadlike two, we had studio movies
and independent films and thatwas it.
And now we have Netflix, wehave Amazon Prime, we have all
these other outlets and there'ssome great movies that are being
put out there.
But it's so saturated right nowwith everybody having their own
filming, like the criterionchannel and those those channels

(51:47):
that are everywhere else.
Sorry, but there's not justcoming out with studio films
that there's Netflix original,there's Prime original, there's
Hulu original, all these things.
So a lot of these little orsmaller 10 million films that
have been put out there just getwashed away because of the size
of everything else and theamount of things that are out

(52:09):
there.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, to a point I agree, but you know you do have
one of the the.
The other side of that is whenKota won Best Picture.
You know the.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Apple TV yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, you know, I mean I.
I would bet that budget wasprobably negligible as well and
probably wouldn't you know.
I mean without Apple TV orstreaming services.
Does it get made?
I don't know, Maybe yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Maybe not, but a good , a good movie or good story, I
think, is going to get seen.
Yeah, there's a lot ofdifferent ways to watch things
now, but I think if it's goodenough it'll get.
That's what I'm saying.
I think it would have been goodenough that it would have been.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
The story holds up.
I'll give you that yeah.
But, you know, I mean, it's oneof those ones where you know, I
mean, if it came out today, youknow who, honestly as good as
everybody was and maybe this isjust you know partiality would

(53:18):
be.
I just don't know if I couldsee anybody else in that Robin
Williams role.
Yeah, I mean, I could probablyas much as I like Ben Affleck
and Matt Damon in their roles ifthey were switched out.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yeah, leo and Brad yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
No, that was the casting at the time.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah, I mean age appropriate, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Leo Brad and Morgan Freeman.
That was what they were wanting.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
But see, you know, I just don't.
I mean, and don't get me wrong,Morgan Freeman's red is one of
the great characters ever.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, shawshank, shawshank.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, but you know, just in this, I guess it'd be
the same thing with RobinWilliams as red and Shawshank,
you know?
I mean I just I don't see it.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
You know that's.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Morgan.
You know that's Morgan Freeman,you know it.
Just it's that.
But you know the Andy Dufresnerole.
If he got switched out, I couldbuy that easier than I could.
Is that weird?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
No, I think that's normal.
I mean, that's what that's agreat thing about
interchangeable cast and howsome, some people are cast in
there and you.
It's just one of those rolesthat you can't see anybody else
because they've done it so wellthere.
We had that instance with theJoker when it came to.
Jack Nichols didn't do on thatand everybody was like, when

(54:48):
Heath Ledger came out, that itwasn't he was doing.
That was like why we had thequintessential best Joker ever.
And then Heath Ledger does thatand it's like, oh my God,
that's the best character ever.
And then the Joker came out.
And then Joaquin Phoenix doesanother fantastic job of that.
Yeah, that's that's things veryclassic, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Very, very interesting.
You know that you bring that upInterpretations Totally.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Who, or do you mention something about?
Skyler could have been somebodyelse who would have?
Who do you who you have likedin that role?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
It could be somebody, even if you put somebody in
from today or have anybodyspecific in mind that, like I
thought, oh so, and so couldhave done this better.
Again, just in rewatching Ijust so much of.
It was Robin and Matt Damon.
You know the heart and soul ofthat that.
You're like.
Like you say, you can't seesomebody else playing those

(55:47):
roles necessarily.
But yeah, I don't know the.
That performance by manydrivers just didn't really hit
me.
I'm not saying she did bad, I'mnot saying that.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
No, that that's seeing that Jake was talking
about.
I mean, that was, that was as.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
As good as seen as any others in there that, that
was for me anyway.
Right and and also her, and notjust having something like that
the ability to tell a joke toguys at a bar, and get them all
to break up, you know, give us akiss.

(56:27):
That's.
That's one of those things that, honestly, that changed like
like girlfriend material for meand and how I was going about
like dating women.
I mean she really affected whoI would be looking for would be
something similar to this Ifshe's able to tell a good joke
or to hang out with my friendswas a very important quality for
somebody like that to have.

(56:47):
Well, you'll have your own Umand beautiful girls.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
We'll have to break down one down.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
That's a very good yeah, underrated.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, these, these bringing anything up for you
guys, other girlfriends oranything that they would do,
that you're like, oh man, wish Ihad a girl like that.
I wish I had a girl.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Well, obviously none of them can stand up to my wife,
so I was going to say you knowI mean it's a character like
that in the movies.
I mean you know this, but shedoes she have any of these
qualities that some of thepeople did say that again, Jake,
she have any of these qualitiesand these other women that
we're like.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Man, this is.
This is my Jennifer Lawrenceand Silverlinings playbook.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Um, yeah, she's.
She puts up with a lot of stuffthat I do, which has made her
crazy over the years, and, uh,so that's probably the biggest
highlight is the fact that she'sstill here.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Well, I tell you this I know something you've never
heard from her.
It's not your fault.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
She's probably not, I said that to you.
You know funny enough when itcomes to that.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Our relationship is such that it's an instant
defense mechanism that I alwaysgo ahead and I never take the
blame.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Oh, yeah, OK even healthy.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Well, it leads to some late night discussions.
I don't get to bed as often asI like, but sometimes you got to
stick to your guns.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
And all right you've been married how many years?
A lot, ok.
A lot of years.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I'm waiting for you Well.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Around 25.
Yep, yep, around 25.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
No, no, but yeah, I mean it.
It takes a, you know, withoutgetting too sentimental.
It it takes, you know, withwith Colleen and you know, like
I said with you know we justinstantly again with with
Goodwill hunting.
It was just like you know, backand forth with our first child.

(59:11):
It was like, you know, we hadthese nameless and had it not
been for this film oh, my choiceFor before this film was Jordan
would have been her name forWow.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
MJ.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Yeah, that would have been her name.
I mean yeah it, it was, it wasall.
But you know, I think I'dgotten Colleen to come around on
it because originally you knowshe was kind of but she was she
was coming around on it.
And then this film, I swear toGod and you know I should bring
her down here and and ask her.

(59:50):
But it was just like the movieended and we're just kind of you
know one of those things tojust kind of looked at each
other, you know, and was likewhat do you think about Skyler?
And that, wow, I mean it was.
It was almost just like that.
We were sat in the movietheater and we decided it right
after that as a creditor goingdown.
Yeah.
So you know she's.
She's not one that will goahead and see a movie 30 times

(01:00:14):
like, like we will, but you knowshe, she enjoys all types of
film and I have dated you knowdated people before her that you
know I've enjoyed the moviesbut weren't, you know, as as
diverse in what they, you know,go ahead and see.

(01:00:35):
You know she, I have to hand itto her.
She will go ahead and probablydefer to whatever I want to see
most of the time, but you knowthere's there's there's a good
number of times where we mightnot have seen something.
This could have been one.
You know, Jake, that now that Ithink about it, I think it was
one that she actually brought up.
You know us going to see Holysmokes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Wow, this is breaking news guys.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
I would like to get her down here and get her take
on things, but she's probably upthere drunk, Can't manage the
stairs getting down here,because if she's married to you
she's got to.
You know, probably dealing withthings currently up there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yeah, you're, you're right, I'm not the easiest
person to to live with, butthat's OK.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Sipping back on grandpa's old cough medicine.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Give me that booze you punk and pyre get it freak.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Yeah, I mean there's, there's so many you know if, if
I go to you know girlfriendmaterial or more, you know a
couple type material I it justit's so tough to go ahead and
pick just one, because you see alot of people that have

(01:01:47):
chemistry on screen and thenit's, you know it.
It really I think you knowsomebody you don't see a lot of
but I thought have greatchemistry on scene.
On screen was Julia Roberts andGeorge Clooney.
I thought, they you know theyalways come off really
believable as kind of you knowlike, you know like friends, you

(01:02:07):
know like they they genuinelyhave a care.
You know you got these somecouples that go ahead on screen
and you know, have this over thetop romance type of thing, but
they actually look when they,you know and I go to the oceans
movies specifically but yeah, islike they're having a good time
with each other.
You know, it just seems genuine.
So that's that's when I thinkthat that sticks out.

(01:02:31):
That sticks out to me would bewould be those two and that that
type of situation.
Yeah, that's pretty nice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Little Jennifer Aniston.
She she's pretty good in thebreakup girlfriend material.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Yeah, that that movie is too real, you know?
Yeah, I think so that not asreal as marriage story.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Scarlett.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Johansson and Adam Driver.
It's definitely worth a watch.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Is it?
It's worth a?

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
watch, but it is like it's not.
It's real.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
It's a remake.
Did you know that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah, I did I.
After I watched it, I looked itup.
It's really well done from anacting point of view.
And you know it's just, it'srealistically depressing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
What was the one with Leonardo and Kate Winslet?

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
You thought oh revolutionary.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Michael Shannon.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Yeah, he really can't .
I just debuted.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah, well, not his debut.
His first movie was actuallyGroundhog Day, if you believe
that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Oh yeah, he was the going to WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Yeah, that's right Funny.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
I guess maybe not debut, but just that stood out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
That was his coming out party, though.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Yeah, I think he was.
He was nominated for an Oscarfor that supporting role.
Yeah, that was.
That was hard one to watch aswell.
That because we expected Jackand Rose to get back together
and find that door.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
But maybe we're coming back for revenge.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah, it's funny, we were talking about Titanic with
that, because yeah, Titanic'shilarious I think we're going to
his notes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
You got some notes on us.
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
I made a metal note that it should be a short one
you think about If you're tryingto be a terrible therapist.
I feel like crap that the jokeabout Titanic was because she
was with money, that when theship landed if they're still
together she would have bootedhim to the curb.
I kind of had the same thoughtafter Goodwill hunting like he's

(01:04:52):
driving out to be with Skylar,but you know she's Harvard
educated and all this althoughhe's super smart.
But they they're just from twodifferent places.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Yeah, but I think there's a scene in there where
she's telling him about that.
Why are you so hung up on thismoney?
Oh, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
I just had just a dark thought that I had in my
head just to ruin the film formyself.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
You do it so well, you do it so well.
A masochistic film fan, I lovethis movie too much.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
How can I ruin it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I think he would be all right.
He gets out there and theydon't they don't make it or
anything like that and I thinkhe'll be all right.
Find something to do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Yeah, well, come back to something Code breaking.
Yeah, come on back, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
No problem.
So you know, with you bringingthat up, you know, as a film
closes, you know you've got that.
Is there a more perfect endingfor this movie than what was on
film?

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Are you talking like the Robin Williams thing, like
some of it stole my line.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
The whole.
You know he, you know knock onthere he hears somebody at the
door.
The way it's shot, it's shotdown from the street view.
You see him up in the windowand then, he's looking back down
.
Could the movie have endedbetter?
Was that perfect?
I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
That's a perfect ending, for sure.
I 100% agree.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
I'm not sure that car is making it all the way out
there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
That's a hell of a drive Going from Boston out to
California.
It's a long haul and I'm likehe didn't have a job.
What's he doing for money?

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
He got the $200.
A Chucky got on retainer.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
That's right.
Left it in a glove box.
That was his birthday, it'swell done.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
The end is nice.
You know you get.
You get what you want and whatyou need out of it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I think it showed, you know, in a very quick way,
it showed that it tied upeverything.
Yeah, it really did with.
You know it took that.
You know that Will had madeprogress and healed a lot under

(01:07:05):
you know what Sean had, you know, been teaching him and he took
that information and then, youknow, he had he decided that he
was, you know, gonna, you knowgo completely against what he,
what he had earlier thought, andhe was going to go follow the
girl, he was going to go andtake Chuckie's advice.

(01:07:26):
And you know you've got to get,you got to leave here.
You know you're, you know it'sa waste of your time to be
around here.
So he was doing that and Seanwas, as well, sean took Will's
advice.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
He learned something.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
It did.
Everything so perfect.
And then you got Robin Williamsad-libbing one of the all-time
great lines in film.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Some of it stole my line, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I mean just, it's so simple too, Right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
And he was doing that the filming aspect they were.
There was a bunch of peoplethat were out watching them film
this and the same thing withthe park bench scene.
There was like 200, 250 peoplethat were out watching these
things happen.
And so he he went through acouple of different lines there.
I think they said somethingupwards of like 20 different

(01:08:18):
takes where he would trysomething else.
But then as soon as he said thatone was all right, we got it
and wrapped it after that one,because it was ending on like
the perfect note of everybody,like learning and having some
kind of growth.
And one of the interestingthings that they do in the
script is after he did the it'snot your fault he only addressed

(01:08:43):
him as either Will or son.
After that it wasn't chief, itwasn't sport, it wasn't anything
else, it was son or Will.
And so that father-sonrelationship it gave him gave
Will something that he had neverfelt before from any of the
people that were supposed to beproviding that as foster parents
or being an orphan.
And so he grew those wings andgot out of the nest and went and

(01:09:07):
tried to live a life.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
And it it showed that he had.
You know, there was a lineearlier where he said where Sean
had told him that you know, butI believe it was him.
But to do that you've got tolove.
You've got to love somethingmore than you love yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yep, and and I've you've had the courage to do
that yourself.
Sport.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Yeah, and so you know that just a quick note that he
gave him right at the end, youknow it showed that that Will
had gone from only you knowdefensively taking care of
himself with armor up defenses,completely up and going into and
actually you know caring aboutothers, you know going after

(01:09:51):
Skyler and stopping Sky Sean'sto you know to leave that.
You know that.
That little note, you knowwhich I mean?
All it said was Sean.
If the professor calls aboutthat job, just tell him.
Sorry, I have to go see about agirl.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
So he gave his favorite people or his best
friends, like Sean.
He gave him an ending andtelling him that what he said to
him influenced him, and thesame thing with Chucky he gave
him exactly what he wanted Yep,no, call no, nothing, nope.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
So, Yep, and that's so great, the way Ben Affleck
walks away from there and justshrugs his shoulders.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Morgan loved it.
Morgan did too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Oh my God, that was so good.
He's like I'm in the front row.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Yeah, shoulders up right in the front, oh my God,
such a great film.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
One of the great things about.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Morgan in that was he got most of the lines from like
Cole Hauser.
Cole Hauser like, he gave mostof the lines to him because he
was like every group of friendshas some drunk that doesn't
really say much, like the stoicperson, but he would be like a
dude that would be down forwhatever but it doesn't have to
say much and everybody knows itaround him.

(01:11:01):
Yeah, and so Casey got allthese lines and everything.
And one of the things that theythey brought up was Casey,
early on, when he did the Chuck,I had a double burger he called
they called this.
He said that he was going intothe deep, into the whammy
business.
And so the whammy business waswhat they were trying to do was

(01:11:23):
like when you take a characterand you're going really big for
it and trying to really play itup, a lot was from press your
luck, where you had the bigbucks, no whammy's.
And so they were going into thewhammy business and they didn't
want any of the whammy's to dothat.
But they're going big and ifthey get a whammy they get a
whammy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yeah, no, it was.
It was so well done with eachof the characters and for an
actor to go ahead and give upthose you know, some of those
lines, I mean that's, that's tothe benefit of the story, that's
putting the story first, right.
And you know watching a showright now, yellowstone Cole
Hauser's, and that yeah, yeah,he's made quite the resurgence,

(01:12:09):
yes.
And it took me it's still.
I have to go ahead and look andrealize it's him.
He's just such a differentcharacter.
It's well done, though, but hewas also in the breakup, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
What are you going to do?
Rest me for being awesome.
Speaking of awesome, I mean,you know I think we've covered
you know everything that that wecould about this film.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
If if you're still listening to this, it is you've
either watched the movie oryou've watched the movie and, by
the fact that you're stilllistening to us, go on about it.
I do have just one morequestion for either of you, a
little mad that Jake got mytrivia question right earlier,
so revenge.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
The afternoon delight .
So I'll say who sings afternoondelight.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
See if I can stump you on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Cause I thought for sure I'd get you on the it is,
it's a, it's a it's a, it's a,it's a, it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
It is a starlight.
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
It's something star, something ban.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
I'm sorry, that's time.
Starland vocal band.
Neither of you got it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
You win.
You're the big winner tonight.
You just hit a whammy, so so,there, you, I mean is there a
better way to go ahead and andand end this with a a strong
foundation for for Orts, amental well being, to then to

(01:13:43):
name him the winner of thisepisode?
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Yeah, yeah you, you won it all tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Good job Ort 400 points to Ort for winning the
episode.
The inaugural inaugural pointsawarded on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
We've never awarded points to anyone tonight so.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Or at any other point .
So yeah, you're the big winner.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
All right, feeling good yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Hey, gentlemen, I want to thank you guys both for
giving up some time to go aheadand discuss a favorite film of
ours.
It'll be interesting to seewhen, when we get together and
do a film that maybe we aren'tall a fan of, or maybe we just
get together and and review afilm that maybe let's find a
film that, okay, everybody seemsto love that we don't.

(01:14:30):
Oh, how about that Distrait?
Well you know, or or justobjectively, objectively say
what we don't like about it.
I think we would.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Straight, because we can definitely do some
destruction.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Right.
But I mean, let's objectivelydo it and then destroy it.
Okay, that's fair.
You're usually a lot morepositive than this.
It's usually me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Blade Runner as mine.
That would be the first onethat I would be like.
Everybody loves it.
I don't understand why peoplelove it.
Blaved Runner.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Everybody loves Blade Runner.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
It's a sci-fi, it's always listed near the top of
sci-fi lists.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
It sure is.
Well, we got another one, somaybe how do you feel about
Blade Runner?

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
You know I appreciate Blade Runner, but I will admit
that I did not.
I did not like Sean Kennedy,who's been on the show.
It's one of his favorite films.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Oh is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Oh, here we go Get those two together.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
You're mixing oil and water there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Yeah, I could, I could do that.
Did you see 2049?
Oh yeah, yeah, did you like2049?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
No, I just don't the storyline or the look of it, the
sci-fi of it, the universe thatthey developed over it.
It just doesn't appeal to me.
But I do appreciate the thingsthat they have, the scores that
they do, the cinematography, thelook of it and things like that
.
That's fair I just get into thestory of it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
That's fair, All right.
Well, stay tuned for us to goahead and oh man.
And put two pit bulls in thering and we'll just sit back and
see what happens.
Yeah, can I say that?

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
You said it Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
You just did All right.
Yeah, it's your house, yourpodcast.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
That's right, and I got the heater on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Yeah, no wolf, no party.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
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