October 20, 2023 • 49 mins
Ready to unlock the secrets of the Dial of Destiny? Join Funcle Hipster and myself as we whip through the rugged terrain of the Indiana Jones universe. We start our adventure by examining the incredible CGI technology that breathed life into the captivating flashback scene. We analyze the notable kill counts, revel in the signature sound of an Indiana Jones punch, and discuss the age-defying stunts of Harrison Ford. Plus, there's a fun fact for fans - Indiana Jones has punched 20 Nazis in the face throughout the franchise!
But that's not all! We turn our lenses to the chilling villains of the film, particularly Mads Mikkelsen's character, Voler. We unpack his time-traveling plot to wipe out Hitler and unravel the mysterious connection between the Antikythera and the Dial of Destiny. We dig into the palpable on-screen chemistry between Harrison Ford and Phoebe Waller Bridge, before shifting gears to examine the curious plot hole from 'Back to the Future.' How does 'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny' handle time travel differently? Stick with us to find out!
Lastly, we step outside the cinematic universe to explore how the blurred political landscape impacts the box office returns of films like 'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny'. We reflect on the need for open conversations between people with opposing views, and how the lack thereof can lead us to miss out on great films. We round off our discussion by sharing personal insights about our podcasting journey, the bumps we've encountered, and the growth we've enjoyed. So sit back, buckle up, and join us on this roller-coaster ride through the Indiana Jones franchise. Remember, "It's not the years, it's the mileage" that counts!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello and welcome to another episode of this Won't
Teach you Anything.
This is part two on adiscussion of Indiana Jones,
specifically Indiana Jones andthe Dial of Destiny.
But my guest and I, funkoHipster, cover just about
everything Indiana Jones, so wewent off on all three original
films, got into the CrystalSkull and Dial of Destiny, in no
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particular order of course.
We were all over the place,just whatever came to mind we
started spouting off and talkingabout.
We ended the last episodetalking about the kill counts in
the movies.
This time we're going to goahead and start episode two with
a discussion of the way IndianaJones and the Dial of Destiny
started out, with a flashback.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, and that's something that's so incredible
and one of the reasons that Ibrought up the CGI technology.
They were using AI to be ableto generate.
They went back and through allthe footage that they had from
shooting with him all throughthis at the late 70s, 80s and
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they just crunched it into thedatabase and used the AI to be
able to fill it and put it rightonto that face and with certain
marks on there, and it looksincredible.
It looks so good.
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I mean there's spots where you can obviously tell
something's off a little bit,but as far as being, it's
different than what has beendone.
When you see de-aging in otherfilms, I mean this is something
totally different.
As you were explaining, this isactual footage of Harrison
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Ford's younger face mapped onto78-year-old Harrison Ford during
the filming.
So yeah, I mean it's reallywell done.
When you get that because youdo at least I did you got that
feeling of those former films,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Well, our mind definitely fills in the blanks
for that.
We see the younger and it looksgood enough for our naked eye
to be able to see that and thento have his mannerisms with him
on there.
So all those things just reallyfill in the cracks of the aging
.
That has obviously happened.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, and so for me, I thought the way the film
started with the flashback was agood way to usher us back into
that world and that character.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, fighting those Nazis man.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, it's got it.
The Russians didn't go over aswell, found a way to bring the
Nazis back.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yep, let's go back to what we know.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, I mean, we can all agree on that right.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh, I do have a stat, a fun little, punching Nazis in
the face.
Twenty of them over thefranchise.
Twenty Nazis he punched in theface.
Now the sound, the so distinctright For an Indiana.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Jones punch to the face is what a hammer.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
He's heavy, and I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You're right, my God, there's no, there's no sound.
Yeah, a punch to the facedelivers like an Indiana Jones
punch to the face.
Yeah, a little bit, I'll throwa little bit back at you.
I was just down in Orlando atDisney World I watched.
A must for me is the IndianaJones stunt spectacular.
(03:42):
Oh, okay, so they have stuntmenrecreating some of the stunts
and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Stuntman Mike what's?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
that.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Stuntman Mike.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, stuntman Mike and his brother, stuntman Bob.
So during that thing you knowwhere they're throwing punches
and stuff they're using thatit's fantastic.
I'm like I'm elbowing calling.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I'm like what the hell are you?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
talking about.
But I know, I mean, you justknow that sound.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's the same thing with, like the distinct
lightsaber sound, the distinctdirty, hairy gun 44 Magnum going
off.
It's very distinct.
For that purpose it has its ownlike fingerprint of sound.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, 100% the feeling again going back to the
overall feeling of an IndianaJones film and starting off with
a flashback which, again, youknow, I mean that's, that's
risky, because you know, fansStar Wars fans, I've often said
are the most critical and toxicgroup of fans out there.
(04:59):
You know, the Force Awakens.
Oh, it was too much like a newhope.
You know, basically just remadea new hope.
Okay, here's the last Jedi,something completely different
than you haven't seen before.
Oh, I hated it was, you knowthis is my franchise.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So you run that risk of going back and running.
You know a 15, 20 minuteyounger version of Indiana Jones
and you know you can start themovie off really badly if that
doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
If that doesn't work, you sure can you know because
you're going right.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You're going right into the wheelhouse of what,
what Spielberg did into thelion's den, as they say it
definitely, definitely thatfalls on his face.
The rest of the film is justkind of like okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
But I'm the same.
The different side of the coinis you let them know right off
the bat that you're in goodhands.
And that's what Maverick didwith putting everything.
The same same song that cameout there and then it and danger
zone going and then they goingoff of that.
That put you, put you at yourhome and you are feeling good.
(06:12):
You're in a good spot.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You're home, and that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
You don't kill a Nazi , you're right.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You know that's the only thing that could have made
Maverick better is if the badguys were not.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That's the only thing that would have made that
better movie.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
The only thing it was missing.
So you get through theflashback sequence and I think
one of the things that that thatit wisely didn't do or lean on,
which would be the easy,cliched thing to do, would be
make a huge thing of the age ofthe main character.
(06:49):
You get some illusions to itand a few comments here and
there, but it's not a constantbarrage of you know when it
would have been real easy to youknow, back in 1981, the famous
ad-lib line.
it's not the years, honey, it'sa mileage, it's a mileage.
Yep, another you know classicline.
You get illusions to it and Ithink they're.
(07:11):
They're appropriate for thescenes.
They're not just peppered in asas joke age jokes here and
there Like a Danny Glover beingtoo old.
Oh, I'm too old for this shit.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
But see that worked in that movie because he's
getting ready to retire.
We know that movie, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
He's that character is he's getting ready to retire.
That's what makes makes thatokay, because he's like you know
, he's, he's.
I'm at the end of my career andI'm getting paired with this
lunatic.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And I'm done.
I'm done.
I don't need to be doing thisanymore.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I'm only going to do this for four more films.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And then I'm done.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
There might be another one coming out, I know,
and he'll be too much older forthis.
You're back in the saddle, soto speak, with Indiana Jones,
and then it hits you right inthe face that he's an old guy in
an apartment.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That was humbling to see that and be like all these
adventures.
And he did, and all thatamounted to was him being an old
guy in a recliner, in acrapping neighborhood.
Yep, yep, and, and how many?
I mean personally I've, I'velived in Chicago, I've lived in
LA and you don't know people'spast and how many old guys are
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get off my lawn kind of guys andhe turned into that.
So that was.
He was just crazy old guy, mr.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Jones from from upstairs.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's it .
That's all he was.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, and nobody knew , nobody even had any idea.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, and it's such a good setup.
I know we were not getting tothe end, but it's such a good
setup for where he was in hisposition, almost like a Toy
Story 3 at the at the end, wherethey're just ready to ready for
it all to go away, like what,what am I doing this for?
And so so for him to, for themto establish that of where he's
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at and to get into anotheradventure and that's like his
true passion and everything, butthen to to step back and see
where he really is, wasincredible.
That was great storytelling.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It was, it was, there was a lot of, there was a lot
of people that that didn't sharethat feeling the way you know
they they're like.
Oh, there's characters, youknow it's a.
It's a more depressing IndianaJones than than we're used to or
we wanted, but that's that'sthe story here, that's the point
(09:48):
.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It's not.
It's not.
It's the point.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I mean, it's like Helena's character.
Basically, you know she'strying to goad him back into an
you know a final adventure.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Indiana Jones rides again you know type of thing.
His wife had left him probablydrinks too much.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And there's a scene where he talks to Sala, which
was great, great to see him backagain.
It's stepping back into thehouse you grew up in very
familiar, familiar faces andwhatnot.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Solid tells him that you know, I miss these things.
I miss the sea, I miss thedesert.
You know I miss waking up andseeing what new adventure the
day brings.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, that's life, right Getting old.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
And he's a ride or die friend.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I also brought my passport.
It's not an adventure, and soSolid tells him he's like you
know give him a hand.
You know, John, as the musicstarts a little bit and then he
almost gets hit by a car.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, that's great, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
so yeah because, again illustrating that it's
been a little while.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
You know you get that feeling.
He's got all the college kidsthat nobody's listening to this
Nope, this lecture.
You know he's telling themthings are gonna be on the test
and you know they just.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
They don't care, they don't care, they don't care.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, they wanna get through this course and go on to
other things like their lives.
Yeah, and again, it's notmaking a big thing about the age
, it just is where he's at thatparticular Right, you know, as
illustrated with the neighbors,the college kids that live down
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the hall or on the floor belowthat, you get the feeling that
you know he's had his time.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Time has passed him by and it's just is he's kind of
relegated himself to you know,and you see it throughout the
movie, and towards the end.
Yeah, you know where hismindset is.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, and it's important that they're using the
dial of destiny is talkingabout time and being able to
manipulate that, and where youwould go and when that subject
was brought to him, you wouldthink that he would like go to
his younger time and like havingthese adventures again.
(12:08):
And he goes to one thing abouthis son, and we get that
question answered.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, and that is single-handedly even.
That's for me the mostemotional scene in the entire
series.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That was incredible For me.
For me, what a moment.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean that's the best acting Harrison Ford,
in my opinion, has ever donethat scene there.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, and it just seemed like such a simple thing,
but he played it so well andgenuine and I think, like you
said, that would be a top fiveto go through, like the moments
that he would have on there.
That was definitely up therefor something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, and the way that Phoebe Waller-Bridge played
off that, because she's likeexpecting the you know, oh, I'd
go back and I'd see, I'd killHitler.
You know the pyramids beingbuilt, or I'd take the gold from
the Aztec Empire or somethinglike that, and she's got a kind
of a smile on her face as she'sasking the question, because
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that's what she's expecting here.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
That's what you would expect from an archeologist.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
To lighten the mood and when he gives her that, it
just it grounds everything inhis all those missing years.
Between the last film and thisone.
You're instantly filled in.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yep, you don't need any more explanation In 20
seconds, just like that.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And it was so well done.
Upon repeat viewings of it, youget little hints of that.
If you watch when they panthrough his apartment, you see
the folded American flag, and ifyou look there's a picture of
his son in a service photo.
It was, yeah, I just.
You know, that scene gets meEvery time I've watched it just
phenomenal acting, a greatwriting and then great delivery
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on the.
You know, because she had noidea what had happened.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And it also shows, like, the difference between
your father and I'm not.
So I'm thinking kind of the waythat Phoebe was thinking, or
Helena as a character of nothaving a husband, a wife, kids,
any of that family, and you'rethinking of all these things
(14:26):
that you could do, but all he'sthinking is about somebody else
and that just shows thecharacter Indiana Jones is.
He's doing all of these thingsAt this point in his life, in
his life is always for thebetter of humanity and trying to
do the good things for theexistence of good versus evil.
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And then, when he's given thekeys to the kingdom to be able
to do that, it's one simplething, and that's taking care of
his own child.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, yeah, and his wife, and that would have
brought his wife back to himyeah.
So yeah, that's a phenomenalscene.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was great.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
We get back into in this film what I thought was a
fantastic portrayal of a villainwith Mads Mickelson.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I've been loving this dude for years.
This guy is an incredible actor.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, if you need a European bad guy, he's your guy.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, yeah, right, and a European good guy as well.
I mean, I've seen some of thedifferent movies that he's been
in, so like a movie called theHunt and Another Round.
But you're right, you want avillain.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Mads is your guy In the mainstream films, yeah, yeah
.
Or Hannibal in the TV show.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Oh my gosh, yeah, he is so good.
That is a dark, dark show, andfor network TV.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
For network TV yeah.
Sean Kennedy put me onto thatand I started watching it here
recently and that's why when Iwas watching that, I was like,
yeah, this is dark for networkTV, yes yes.
And so I've started watchingthat.
But yeah, no, as a good guy wasgreat in Rogue One.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know if you're.
That's my favorite Star Warsmovie, so I'm looking forward to
the guy that directed that forthe creator.
That's coming out soon.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Oh, yeah, yeah, when is that?
Open Friday Pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
yeah, I'm not sure exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, it might be Friday that it opens.
Yeah, that looks fantastic.
It's very Star Wars meets AI.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, yeah, that looks.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Type of thing that looks really good.
So yeah, back to theinteresting villains, which,
again, nothing against KateBlanchett in the prayer film,
not her fault, it just wasn't avery interesting villain, at
least to me.
And then you get Mads Mickelson, which this wasn't the typical
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way of the bad guy who wants torule the world.
You find out that his mainmotivation is to go back and
help Germany win the war, butnot the way you think.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Not how you would think.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
exactly right, yeah, so full on spoiler alert here
we're gonna go right into thatterritory, so if you don't wanna
hear that, then you might notwanna listen to the end of this.
But his plan is to go back intime to kill Hitler.
So then, and then like takeover, yeah, yeah, I mean he's
(17:41):
very stuck on the fact and heeven says it that Germany didn't
lose the war, hitler did yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Hitler was making mistakes and he knew the correct
way to be able to win the war.
And so, and one of the thingswould be to, didn't he say
something about the problemswith the rockets, the V-1 rocket
?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I think he said something to that yeah,
something you know he had.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
But he like the technology.
He knew how to fix the problemsthat they were having and they
put all their efforts intosomething that was a failed
technology at the time.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, so you know, now, years later, 25, 26 years
later, he's able to go ahead andtake all that which he's
learned since then, to be ableto go back and fix all that so,
and it's presented in such a waythat you know it's that
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information is given to IndianaJones as to what the exact plan
was, because he was convincedwhat you're gonna go back you're
gonna.
Who's your target?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Ike, you know.
So, Eisenhower, these guys.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He's almost insulted.
What kind of Nazi kills aFuhrer, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
So yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, it's just fun, and
he asked him that.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
But again, you know one of the things too
interesting.
So the MacGuffin in this is theAntikythera, in this case, you
know, called the Dial of Destiny, which, if you look this thing
up, there was a device that wasfound years back, with all these
gears and whatnot, on ashipwreck that was, you know,
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supposedly years ahead of itstime, like nobody had seen
anything like this inarcheological finds in the time
period to where it was dated.
So, that's where kind of this isbased off of, not something
that is predicting time, nexusareas and fluctuations in time.
(19:42):
But you know, whatever it did,I think they have a theory as to
what it was doing.
I think it had something to dowith astronomy maybe and
wayfinding for ships.
I'd have to look back, but inany event that wouldn't be as
interesting in the film ifthat's where it was going.
So they end up tracking downthe dial and the other half of
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the dial because they originallyonly have the one half and they
have to find that and you getsome real good Indiana Jones
type moments with puzzle solvingand whatnot.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
To go ahead and put all this together, the film the
way it shot Foreign languagesthat they know and speak and
they're pretty much having likea quiz off on how to speak and
what he would be speaking whatlanguage, so trying to show that
he's important in this wholething.
So he has to go along.
So that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, no, the chemistry between Phoebe Waller
Bridge and Harrison Ford workedfor me really well.
Yeah, I thought they played off.
I don't know if you've everseen the.
You ever see Fleabag?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh yeah, of course, dude, so good, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You know?
Another tidbit is she voiced L7, which was Lando's droid in the
solo film, the Han Solo moviecalled Solo.
So that's kind of a tie inbetween.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Harrison Ford and her .
Speaker 1 (21:09):
she voiced that droid , so in any event, so the film
itself is really.
I mean, I'd have to look andsee exactly where they filmed
everywhere, because they reallycrossed the map on all these
different locales that they wentto.
So that in itself is anadventure, just being able to
see all these different places,and I'm a big fan of the map
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with the plane or the boat, thedotted line.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
How iconic, right?
Yeah, it's fantastic that theykeep using it and it works.
It works great.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, it's one of those things that you expect to
see.
So you know, the dial ends upbeing something that can go
ahead and predict Time Fishers,which Mads Mikkelsen's character
.
Voler is a physicist and he hasdetermined that these Time
Fishers and what the dial can do.
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His plan is to go ahead and usea certain set of coordinates to
go ahead and be able to headback to 1939, to go ahead and
kill Hitler, help Germany winthe war.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
But what we find out and any movie that does time
travel well, and I say wellbecause it's all theoretical but
one of the movies I enjoy themost having to do with time
travel is Back to the Future,but it's also got probably the
most broken version of timetravel in my mind of any film.
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But I don't care, because Ilove it.
You know it's great.
Can I run this by you?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
We don't need to know it's right or wrong, because
it's all theoretical.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, have I run this by you, though Let me do this,
because I wanna get your peopleout there in LA, friends of
yours, hit them with this.
Take Back to the Future.
Einstein the dog, the firstintroduction to the Time Machine
, to the DeLorean in the TwinPines Mall parking lot.
Doc Brown needs Marty out thereto go ahead and hold the
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camcorder while he's doing hisexperiment with the stopwatches
what he does he takes astopwatch that's perfectly in
sync with a stopwatch that hisdog, einstein, is wearing.
He puts Einstein in the car.
The car is remote controlled.
He sends that car out.
It disappears.
Marty doesn't know what thehell's going on.
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He thought Einstein justdisintegrated.
A minute later the car showsback up.
They open the door.
The dog's fine, but the clocksare exactly one minute off.
Exactly one minute off, and DocBrown explains that to Einstein
the dog.
The trip was instantaneous.
It's just like it out and back,just like blink of an eye.
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He arrived at that one minuteBecause he skipped yes, skipped
over that minute and arrived atthe minute that they're at now.
They experienced that minute.
He didn't.
That's why the time is off.
Okay.
Now, when he does anddisappears, marty's like you
disintegrated Einstein.
There's no Einstein there, okay.
Later in the film, back to thefuture too, he and his
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girlfriend and Doc Brown goforward in the future to meet
Marty and Jennifer's futureselves.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
The problem I have there.
The biggest plot hole thatsteers me in the face every time
I watch it, is when Einsteingot in the car and went forward
in time, even though it was aminute, could have been a year,
a minute, whatever there was noother Einstein left behind.
Therefore he couldn't go aheadand exist one minute in the
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future because he was insulatedinside that car.
So when he got back he didn'trun into his minute older self.
Oh, I see what you're saying yousee what I'm saying.
So it would have been likeMarty and Jennifer just
disappeared until 30 years laterand reappeared as their younger
selves when they jumped in thattime machine.
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They went forward in time 30years, but went missing from the
time.
The minute they got in that carthey disappeared from that
timeline.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So in any event, dial destiny.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
The first inclination you get of what this thing is
doing is when they findArchimedes tomb, and Helena
points out that this Phoenixwhat you're calling a Phoenix
has propellers.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
On it, on the engraving on the, the tomb.
So you're kind of like what?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right, and then Indiana Jones is doing what?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And then he's wearing a wristwatch.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
His corpse is wearing a wristwatch and he has the
other half of the dial.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
It's like okay what the any?
You know.
You know clocks won't beinvented for another thousand
years, not to mention, you know,wristwatch.
They end up going up there.
One thing leads to another.
They head through the timefissure.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
And Indiana Jones makes the you know the statement
about.
I don't know where we're going,but it sure as hell isn't 1930.
1939.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Berlin and it wasn't right.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
They end up going through there and they are at,
as they alluded to earlier, inthe film Indiana Jones teaching
about the battle of Syracuse inSicily, which is great.
Yeah, oh, it's so good.
That's where they end up,perfect.
You learn where, why thatPhoenix had propellers as the
the German bomber goes back,gets speared, goes down.
We learn how Archimedes corpseended up with the watch because
(26:32):
they end up running intoArchimedes himself.
But it works in a way that thatpeople had so much issue with
the interdimensional beings inKingdom of the Crystal Skull I
don't think people had the samea version to what happened in
here, to where they actually raninto Archimedes himself, and I
think one of the the mostinteresting things was is that
(26:54):
they figured out that thatwasn't a dial to go where you
wanted.
In time, Helena called it astack deck.
It was always going to bringsomeone to that point.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Which is key, that she knew that card trick.
Yes, yep.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yep, cause they go ahead and give you exactly what
a stack deck means, so that youknow very cleverly, stick that
in there.
So if you're too slow to playalong at home, that's what.
That's what.
That's how that works.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
They always give you the breadcrumbs of the finale,
always Yep.
So it's it's important for youto to follow along, and one of
the one of the things that Ilearned from listening to
podcasts was there was aChristopher McQuarrie who wrote
the usual suspects.
One of the things that he thehe didn't know the rules of like
(27:47):
screenplay, and one of therules is that their narrator is
truthful and tells you thehonest perspective.
Well, in the usual suspect, thenarrator is a liar, and so that
is something that was differentand it threw everybody off,
because they always trusted thenarrator and it had never been
(28:10):
done before where the narratorwas not not telling the truth,
it was setting the whole thingup.
So it was a liar.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Of all the scripts of all time, and it takes up up to
that point for that to happen.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
To that point for the narrator to be a liar the whole
time Damn him.
Yeah, so, and he didn't knowthat that was something that you
couldn't do or didn't do.
And so he, he won an Oscar,telling a great story, and
everybody's believing that this,the, the narrator, the person
that's telling the story, is thehonest one and telling you the
(28:47):
true story.
Now that's fantastic.
Making the whole thing up.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Oh, that is so good I didn't.
Yeah, I never knew that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So that, and when it comes to this, the storytelling
they're giving you the breadcrumbs along the way and
everything that they're showingyou, and this magic, the reason
why this magic trick is told inthis is because that's exactly
what's happening towards the end.
So it's it's great to be ableto, to foreshadow in that way
and and pay attention to it.
Always pay attention, payattention to the signs, right?
(29:18):
Yeah, if you read the signs,Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
If it's you reading the signs, yep, that's another,
another, all time favorite.
So yeah, they get there to thebattle Syracuse, the Nazi plane
goes down, nazi bad guysvanquished by, you know,
basically Roman warships, whichI think is great.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Sorry, you're a Nazi.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
They end up meeting Archimedes and Indiana Jones.
Who's who's badly wounded atthat time, you know, you know
decides that you know, you know,I'm.
You go back, I'm going to staybecause which is so great.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
That's what I was talking about, like the two
story.
Three thing is just like he's.
This is what he's actuallyexperiencing it and he's fine
with staying there and let himlive in that.
He's got nothing to go back to.
He's got a broke down apartment.
Nobody cares about him.
He thinks he is finally a partof history.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, and and again, phoebe Waller Bridget.
She plays it so well becauseyou can see her like you know
her character trying to be likeyeah, no, you're not staying
here, come on, we're going thattough edge.
But you see her start to breakdown and she's like you know you
know she's emotional about it.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
She's like first time you see her get emotional.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Exactly Because she's out for herself.
You know the whole time thatwell, for me it was the second
time.
The first time you saw a littlebit of it was when he was
telling her the story about hisson and his wife.
Yeah, that part.
And when she's like after Indygets shot at the, at the tomb,
you know she's like we justcan't, we can't just leave him.
You can't just leave him and soyou know, you start to see that.
(30:56):
So she basically goes on arescue mission to get him back.
They end up there at the Battleof Syracuse and she's telling
him you can't stay.
You know you can't stay andit's so well done because she's
speaking ancient Greek toArchimedes and mixing in English
with it.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
He doesn't know what the hell is going on.
He doesn't know, she's like bigfan, she goes, yeah, so big fan
of family.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
That was a great line .
It was awesome and so.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And you're a genius at all those things, but he, he
does not belong here, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
It's he needs to be back in his time.
So she ends up decking aninjured Indy and a Jones wake
back up.
The story continues back in in.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
New York Pulling an Indy move Right Totally.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
That's such an Indy move.
Yup and back in his apartment,you know, and things are are
mended to the point to where youknow.
Helena's obviously contactedMarion, gave her the lowdown,
she shows back up and they'regiven a chance to go ahead and
and repair their marriage andyeah.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well, here's another great thing about that.
Okay.
So there, these are likepotential finales.
Each, each step of these arepotential finales for any fan.
So, with Harrison Ford beingthere and the fan connecting and
him staying there, any fanwould be like, oh, what a way to
go.
(32:26):
You know, good, good forIndiana.
People will appreciate him here.
Nobody appreciates him in thereal time.
Don't go back, stay there andI'm fine with that finale.
Nope, that's not how it's goingto happen.
He decks him, knocks him out,he wakes up in bed.
Okay, so the finale is this wasall a dream and this is just
(32:47):
waking up.
This is like a Bob Newhartthing where, like, the end of
the whole thing was all.
It was all a dream, and sothere was potential of that and
you would be, and you'd be like,oh man, it was just a dream.
And then you see the dial ofdestiny and then you're like, no
, it's real.
It's real, you see, like theshoulder, and so then all this
(33:10):
starts to come together and thereal ending is when, like you
said, she reached out and Marionshows back up.
And that's the part that getsme emotional, talking about that
Cause that is such a pivotalthing and for him to be able to
actually use the dial of destinylike he wanted to be able to do
.
He didn't get his son's lifeback, but he got his wife back.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Right In in, you know , by them sticking the dial
right there, even though it had.
It was just a side piece tothis whole thing happening in in
context of what was importantto him.
You know it was there as analliteration that you know.
Here it is.
It still brought you back towhat was important.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, so and and a and a call back to the original
Raiders of the Lost Ark.
You know, with the, you knowwhere does it hurt, you know it
hurts yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And I've had to explain that to people that saw
that and like, oh, I didn't likethat part where where does it
hurt?
Kind of I was like that was athrowback.
That was that happened in thefirst one.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, you should have .
Speaker 2 (34:12):
you should have thunder punched whoever said
that Give a nice Indiana Jonespunch the.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Indiana Jones Thunder Punch.
But yeah, so it wrapped upreally well.
You know, I don't quite knowthat the landscape of of films
and production companies andpolitics is so blurred these
days.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
With you know, I'm you know, I'm you know, I'm you
know, I'm you know, I'm you know, never you know, and I'm not
trying to get into the politicalrealm of things, but this, this
film, I mean a solid, solidIndiana Jones film.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You know I mean way for me, way above Kingdom of the
Crystal skull, and you know Ican go toe to toe with Temple of
Doom Anytime any time, totallyday you know, for me because
it's so well done and and andnot CGI heavy, except for the
beginning where you you have thereplacement of the younger
indie, but you know, a lot ofpractical effects felt like
(35:14):
those older, the original movies.
But you have so many Divisionsgoing on in the world where
people just want to go ahead and, for one reason or another,
take, take sides, and I thinkthat's what you're seeing some
of now with, you know, disney'son a losing streak.
(35:39):
Yeah, you know major losingstrength with with things that
that were sure fired things, andI don't think that that the the
box office returns on on Dialof destiny necessarily reflect
that it wasn't a good movie.
I think there's a lot of peoplewho are put off by certain
(36:00):
decisions that that justactively decided not to go and
give me money, which is you knowwhich is a shame that you know
we've reached a point to whereyou can't go ahead.
I'm not saying, you know, ifthat's your thing and you want
to, you know, speak your mindthat way.
(36:20):
That's your right.
Yeah to go ahead and do.
I think, though, that there isa.
I Think people do themselves adisservice in certain situations
by blindly aligning themselveswith, with certain things, what,
whatever side of the aisle thatthat people are on, I I don't
think, I think you can miss outon enjoying a good film.
(36:42):
They're just not a lot ofdialogue.
That happens these days to sayyou know what.
I don't agree with you, but Ican respect what you know what,
what you're doing here, and Ithink that's that's part of the
problem, and it's reflecting allthe way through the
entertainment industry.
Now I'm predicting right now mybrother and I were discussing
this, and I'm predicting rightnow that you might see and and
(37:05):
actually it was, it was mybrother that mentioned this,
he's a host over Rudy's roundup.
He's predicting and we'll see,we'll see, we'll have this on
record he's predicting that the,the Snow White movie, the live
action, goes straight to DisneyPlus.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
He, yeah, he might be right on that.
Um, it's crazy to me becausethat's a big budget of what
they're doing.
They're doing with the sevenaverage people.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, you know, and and so again, you know, it's
just on that, that that thingright now with you take and and
I I listen to a.
I Listened to a audiobook.
It was a Walt Disney biographythat came out about ten years
ago and.
It talked about.
(38:02):
I mean, he had everythingwriting on Snow White A few
times in his career he beteverything on a few different
things, Let it ride huh,everything, I mean wow,
completely everything on thatfilm.
So it was, I mean it was a 100%labor of love, that film, damn.
(38:23):
And to go ahead and To drawnegative attention to Snow White
being produced by Disney, thatthat that's happened.
You know, I think RachelZiegler had said some things
that she probably, I know Disneywishes she never said and she
probably doesn't.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
That's the only reason I know her name.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Honestly, yeah, and it's a shame because in I I
really enjoyed the remake ofWest Side Story that Spielberg
did.
She played Maria.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I thought she was fantastic but okay, yeah, that
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I thought it.
It's not knowing the room.
You know that the core Disneyaudience to go ahead and say,
well, you know that times havechanged a lot since 1939, right
in this instance, probably don'tbite that hand you know, like
this princess doesn't needrecord Rescueing.
Okay, that's, that's fine.
(39:16):
Make a movie with that, youknow, don't, don't bite that a
rich.
Oh gee, disney story yeah and inyou know so I'm thinking that
you know the Hemorrhaging ofsome of these films at Disney's
done.
Let's be honest, marvel is notwhat it isn't putting out, what
it used to.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I think it peaks, it really peaked and, and so at the
end it did with me as far as,like we were Working towards
something.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
I know where it peaked for you, right before
Iron man came out.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I don't want any part of it.
I've seen Rockets here.
I think they're gonna beJennifer Connelly and Rockets
here.
Come on, get out of here.
Nobody's gonna see this.
So I got a prediction.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
But no good yeah, so it peaked.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah with with endgame and then after after
that and it just became soformulaic, with with most of
these Marvel Comics.
And so people are just likeI've seen this already and so
you see the, the average personthat was looking forward to
being able to get all thesethings and seeing the movies in
(40:32):
Order to get to that endgame.
And then, after the endgame, Ifeel like a lot of people fallen
off after that because it itreally went through and some
people were a team Thanos andand so after that happened and
there was still like what dothey call that?
The dip or the gap, or the blip.
What is it like?
The the blip, the blip, yeah.
(40:54):
So after that, being likesolidified in the reality of the
Marvel Universe, I think a lotof people have been turned off
after that right and seeingeverything as a formula.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, so you know again.
Again, I, like I said, hate toget into the politics, but you
know, from a strictly justentertainment.
You know, something happened towhere the box office returns
weren't nearly what they whatthey expected, especially on our
film with a budget of 300million dollars.
Holy smokes Geez yeah you knowwhich over time it'll be, it'll
be looked at is as a.
(41:27):
You know the completionist.
It fits right in with the theother movies.
It'll do fine over time but youknow that the initial so
something happened somewhere Boxoffice just was the Disney
Company.
Box offices are not doing whatthey they should and what
they're expected to do, so it'llbe interesting to see what
happens with with some of thesenext Big movies.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, you could be right with that snow white thing
.
Yeah, because of all thecontroversy it's going over it
right now.
And when is the?
When is it debuting?
When is it coming out?
Hey, I believe you're.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
I thought it was supposed to be out next year,
2024.
But they might release it on aTuesday and March, I don't know.
Without telling anybody.
The HBO surprise midnight.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
But it's on max, you're right.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
You're right.
So but yeah, I think everythingthat we've talked about with
the film and the love for theseries itself just, you know,
lend it to a lot of it isHarrison Ford, devotion to the
(42:40):
character, the stories andthings of that nature.
So, box office aside, reallysolid film, great way to end the
story of Indiana Jones.
You know, I don't know that Ineed to see somebody else
playing Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
But if somebody thinks it'll make money, I'm
sure we'll see that.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
It will happen, yeah.
So, Well, as a fan, seeing thisas the fifth and probably final
for Harrison Ford, are youpretty happy with how it turned
out?
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, I am, because you know, honestly, I had heard
ever since the preview it can.
I'd heard such mixed reactionsthat my expectations were really
high when the first trailercame out and then they got like
tempered big because I was like,oh my God, this could be
another crystal skull.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
You know.
So when I saw it I was likewhat the hell is wrong with
people?
This was an Indiana Jones film.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
You know.
So you know, I think one of thebiggest things was they got
permission to use a Beatles song.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
Yeah, in the film.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
So, yeah, I think it's definitely one I'll revisit
from time to time.
I think I've seen it more.
I've seen it four times, sothat's probably one more than
I've seen crystal skull already.
Oh, wow, yeah, but I'll revisitall of them again.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
There'll be like marathons, Like you'll have like
a Saturday where you'll justwatch them all if you don't have
anything.
Yeah, which is be?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
appropriate because that's where all of it was born
from.
George Lucas the matinees thathe would see when he was growing
up, and I think you know that'sa great way to end this episode
he's just talking about, youknow, the creator of Indiana
Jones.
You know, basically you know,just turning his love of the
stories and movies that he sawgrowing up and turning it into
(44:34):
something that you know the restof us have been able to enjoy
on a huge scale.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Have you talked about like the origin idea of Indiana
Jones and when it was born?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
The story I had read was that it was the Saturday
matinee movies, but it was likethe look was from the treasure
of Sierra Madre.
Humphrey Bogart's characteryeah, that were the look.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
That makes sense Right.
Came from but that's what.
I had I heard a very specificstory.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
All right.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I'm gonna talk about how George Lucas was not at the
premier weekend of Star Wars.
Oh, because he was in Hawaii,son of Beach.
He was in Hawaii with StevensBielberg and they were kicking
around this idea about IndianaJones.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Fantastic, and the dog's name was.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Indiana.
Yep.
George Lucas' dog is namedIndiana, her was.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
And I'll give you a little bit of tidbit before we
go about that.
So way before Indiana Jonescame up, my wife Colleen when
they, when she was growing up,they had a Siberian Husky named
Indy.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
No, really Yep, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 2 (45:58):
And I do Talk about a dial of destiny, yeah, yeah.
Definitely see it all comesfull circle.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
But hey, stack, deck, damn it.
As always, I really appreciateyou taking some time out.
I look forward to the nextalbum review, that's gonna be up
on Culture.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
You're a big fan of Steely Dan right.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Well, I'm hoping there's an evisceration of
Steely Dan.
I'm sure they're fineindividuals, infinitely
musically more talented than I,so I don't wanna disparage that,
but I really I don't likeSteely Dan.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, so Well, in every PG-13, you're allotted one
flag.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Oh, I'm so tempting.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I know it is.
I got it with the eyes, thoughit's so tempting.
Be good, be good.
Yep, you're a good man.
You're a good man, charlieBrown, I threw you a softball.
Feel free to swing, oh hell.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Again Funko Hipster.
Thank you, yes, sir.
Tell Bogan that we said, hey,I'll let him know, we'll look
for him on the other side.
And there you have it.
We did it.
Another two-part episode, whichwas never intended to be two
parts but just ran way too longfor one part, even though
(47:47):
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Two and a half hour, I think,is our record somewhere in there
for a single episode.
Didn't wanna torture you allwith that, you know, and there's
a lot of interesting thingsthat we talk about.
I know you probably think, myGod, this is so interesting I
can't handle another hour ofthis.
So we break it into two partsto make it easier for you to
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(48:09):
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This Won't Teach you Anything.
Hello and welcome to another episode of this Won't
Teach you Anything.
This is part two on adiscussion of Indiana Jones,
specifically Indiana Jones andthe Dial of Destiny.
But my guest and I, funkoHipster, cover just about
everything Indiana Jones, so wewent off on all three original
films, got into the CrystalSkull and Dial of Destiny, in no
(00:31):
particular order of course.
We were all over the place,just whatever came to mind we
started spouting off and talkingabout.
We ended the last episodetalking about the kill counts in
the movies.
This time we're going to goahead and start episode two with
a discussion of the way IndianaJones and the Dial of Destiny
started out, with a flashback.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, and that's something that's so incredible
and one of the reasons that Ibrought up the CGI technology.
They were using AI to be ableto generate.
They went back and through allthe footage that they had from
shooting with him all throughthis at the late 70s, 80s and
(01:11):
they just crunched it into thedatabase and used the AI to be
able to fill it and put it rightonto that face and with certain
marks on there, and it looksincredible.
It looks so good.
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I mean there's spots where you can obviously tell
something's off a little bit,but as far as being, it's
different than what has beendone.
When you see de-aging in otherfilms, I mean this is something
totally different.
As you were explaining, this isactual footage of Harrison
(01:46):
Ford's younger face mapped onto78-year-old Harrison Ford during
the filming.
So yeah, I mean it's reallywell done.
When you get that because youdo at least I did you got that
feeling of those former films,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Well, our mind definitely fills in the blanks
for that.
We see the younger and it looksgood enough for our naked eye
to be able to see that and thento have his mannerisms with him
on there.
So all those things just reallyfill in the cracks of the aging
.
That has obviously happened.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, and so for me, I thought the way the film
started with the flashback was agood way to usher us back into
that world and that character.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, fighting those Nazis man.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, it's got it.
The Russians didn't go over aswell, found a way to bring the
Nazis back.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yep, let's go back to what we know.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, I mean, we can all agree on that right.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh, I do have a stat, a fun little, punching Nazis in
the face.
Twenty of them over thefranchise.
Twenty Nazis he punched in theface.
Now the sound, the so distinctright For an Indiana.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Jones punch to the face is what a hammer.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
He's heavy, and I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You're right, my God, there's no, there's no sound.
Yeah, a punch to the facedelivers like an Indiana Jones
punch to the face.
Yeah, a little bit, I'll throwa little bit back at you.
I was just down in Orlando atDisney World I watched.
A must for me is the IndianaJones stunt spectacular.
(03:42):
Oh, okay, so they have stuntmenrecreating some of the stunts
and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Stuntman Mike what's?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
that.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Stuntman Mike.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, stuntman Mike and his brother, stuntman Bob.
So during that thing you knowwhere they're throwing punches
and stuff they're using thatit's fantastic.
I'm like I'm elbowing calling.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I'm like what the hell are you?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
talking about.
But I know, I mean, you justknow that sound.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's the same thing with, like the distinct
lightsaber sound, the distinctdirty, hairy gun 44 Magnum going
off.
It's very distinct.
For that purpose it has its ownlike fingerprint of sound.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, 100% the feeling again going back to the
overall feeling of an IndianaJones film and starting off with
a flashback which, again, youknow, I mean that's, that's
risky, because you know, fansStar Wars fans, I've often said
are the most critical and toxicgroup of fans out there.
(04:59):
You know, the Force Awakens.
Oh, it was too much like a newhope.
You know, basically just remadea new hope.
Okay, here's the last Jedi,something completely different
than you haven't seen before.
Oh, I hated it was, you knowthis is my franchise.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So you run that risk of going back and running.
You know a 15, 20 minuteyounger version of Indiana Jones
and you know you can start themovie off really badly if that
doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
If that doesn't work, you sure can you know because
you're going right.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You're going right into the wheelhouse of what,
what Spielberg did into thelion's den, as they say it
definitely, definitely thatfalls on his face.
The rest of the film is justkind of like okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
But I'm the same.
The different side of the coinis you let them know right off
the bat that you're in goodhands.
And that's what Maverick didwith putting everything.
The same same song that cameout there and then it and danger
zone going and then they goingoff of that.
That put you, put you at yourhome and you are feeling good.
(06:12):
You're in a good spot.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You're home, and that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
You don't kill a Nazi , you're right.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You know that's the only thing that could have made
Maverick better is if the badguys were not.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That's the only thing that would have made that
better movie.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
The only thing it was missing.
So you get through theflashback sequence and I think
one of the things that that thatit wisely didn't do or lean on,
which would be the easy,cliched thing to do, would be
make a huge thing of the age ofthe main character.
(06:49):
You get some illusions to itand a few comments here and
there, but it's not a constantbarrage of you know when it
would have been real easy to youknow, back in 1981, the famous
ad-lib line.
it's not the years, honey, it'sa mileage, it's a mileage.
Yep, another you know classicline.
You get illusions to it and Ithink they're.
(07:11):
They're appropriate for thescenes.
They're not just peppered in asas joke age jokes here and
there Like a Danny Glover beingtoo old.
Oh, I'm too old for this shit.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
But see that worked in that movie because he's
getting ready to retire.
We know that movie, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
He's that character is he's getting ready to retire.
That's what makes makes thatokay, because he's like you know
, he's, he's.
I'm at the end of my career andI'm getting paired with this
lunatic.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And I'm done.
I'm done.
I don't need to be doing thisanymore.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I'm only going to do this for four more films.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And then I'm done.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
There might be another one coming out, I know,
and he'll be too much older forthis.
You're back in the saddle, soto speak, with Indiana Jones,
and then it hits you right inthe face that he's an old guy in
an apartment.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That was humbling to see that and be like all these
adventures.
And he did, and all thatamounted to was him being an old
guy in a recliner, in acrapping neighborhood.
Yep, yep, and, and how many?
I mean personally I've, I'velived in Chicago, I've lived in
LA and you don't know people'spast and how many old guys are
(08:32):
get off my lawn kind of guys andhe turned into that.
So that was.
He was just crazy old guy, mr.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Jones from from upstairs.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's it .
That's all he was.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, and nobody knew , nobody even had any idea.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, and it's such a good setup.
I know we were not getting tothe end, but it's such a good
setup for where he was in hisposition, almost like a Toy
Story 3 at the at the end, wherethey're just ready to ready for
it all to go away, like what,what am I doing this for?
And so so for him to, for themto establish that of where he's
(09:14):
at and to get into anotheradventure and that's like his
true passion and everything, butthen to to step back and see
where he really is, wasincredible.
That was great storytelling.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It was, it was, there was a lot of, there was a lot
of people that that didn't sharethat feeling the way you know
they they're like.
Oh, there's characters, youknow it's a.
It's a more depressing IndianaJones than than we're used to or
we wanted, but that's that'sthe story here, that's the point
(09:48):
.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It's not.
It's not.
It's the point.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I mean, it's like Helena's character.
Basically, you know she'strying to goad him back into an
you know a final adventure.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Indiana Jones rides again you know type of thing.
His wife had left him probablydrinks too much.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And there's a scene where he talks to Sala, which
was great, great to see him backagain.
It's stepping back into thehouse you grew up in very
familiar, familiar faces andwhatnot.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Solid tells him that you know, I miss these things.
I miss the sea, I miss thedesert.
You know I miss waking up andseeing what new adventure the
day brings.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, that's life, right Getting old.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
And he's a ride or die friend.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I also brought my passport.
It's not an adventure, and soSolid tells him he's like you
know give him a hand.
You know, John, as the musicstarts a little bit and then he
almost gets hit by a car.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, that's great, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
so yeah because, again illustrating that it's
been a little while.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
You know you get that feeling.
He's got all the college kidsthat nobody's listening to this
Nope, this lecture.
You know he's telling themthings are gonna be on the test
and you know they just.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
They don't care, they don't care, they don't care.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, they wanna get through this course and go on to
other things like their lives.
Yeah, and again, it's notmaking a big thing about the age
, it just is where he's at thatparticular Right, you know, as
illustrated with the neighbors,the college kids that live down
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the hall or on the floor belowthat, you get the feeling that
you know he's had his time.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Time has passed him by and it's just is he's kind of
relegated himself to you know,and you see it throughout the
movie, and towards the end.
Yeah, you know where hismindset is.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, and it's important that they're using the
dial of destiny is talkingabout time and being able to
manipulate that, and where youwould go and when that subject
was brought to him, you wouldthink that he would like go to
his younger time and like havingthese adventures again.
(12:08):
And he goes to one thing abouthis son, and we get that
question answered.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, and that is single-handedly even.
That's for me the mostemotional scene in the entire
series.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That was incredible For me.
For me, what a moment.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean that's the best acting Harrison Ford,
in my opinion, has ever donethat scene there.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, and it just seemed like such a simple thing,
but he played it so well andgenuine and I think, like you
said, that would be a top fiveto go through, like the moments
that he would have on there.
That was definitely up therefor something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, and the way that Phoebe Waller-Bridge played
off that, because she's likeexpecting the you know, oh, I'd
go back and I'd see, I'd killHitler.
You know the pyramids beingbuilt, or I'd take the gold from
the Aztec Empire or somethinglike that, and she's got a kind
of a smile on her face as she'sasking the question, because
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that's what she's expecting here.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
That's what you would expect from an archeologist.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
To lighten the mood and when he gives her that, it
just it grounds everything inhis all those missing years.
Between the last film and thisone.
You're instantly filled in.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yep, you don't need any more explanation In 20
seconds, just like that.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And it was so well done.
Upon repeat viewings of it, youget little hints of that.
If you watch when they panthrough his apartment, you see
the folded American flag, and ifyou look there's a picture of
his son in a service photo.
It was, yeah, I just.
You know, that scene gets meEvery time I've watched it just
phenomenal acting, a greatwriting and then great delivery
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on the.
You know, because she had noidea what had happened.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And it also shows, like, the difference between
your father and I'm not.
So I'm thinking kind of the waythat Phoebe was thinking, or
Helena as a character of nothaving a husband, a wife, kids,
any of that family, and you'rethinking of all these things
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that you could do, but all he'sthinking is about somebody else
and that just shows thecharacter Indiana Jones is.
He's doing all of these thingsAt this point in his life, in
his life is always for thebetter of humanity and trying to
do the good things for theexistence of good versus evil.
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And then, when he's given thekeys to the kingdom to be able
to do that, it's one simplething, and that's taking care of
his own child.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, yeah, and his wife, and that would have
brought his wife back to himyeah.
So yeah, that's a phenomenalscene.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was great.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
We get back into in this film what I thought was a
fantastic portrayal of a villainwith Mads Mickelson.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I've been loving this dude for years.
This guy is an incredible actor.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, if you need a European bad guy, he's your guy.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, yeah, right, and a European good guy as well.
I mean, I've seen some of thedifferent movies that he's been
in, so like a movie called theHunt and Another Round.
But you're right, you want avillain.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Mads is your guy In the mainstream films, yeah, yeah
.
Or Hannibal in the TV show.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Oh my gosh, yeah, he is so good.
That is a dark, dark show, andfor network TV.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
For network TV yeah.
Sean Kennedy put me onto thatand I started watching it here
recently and that's why when Iwas watching that, I was like,
yeah, this is dark for networkTV, yes yes.
And so I've started watchingthat.
But yeah, no, as a good guy wasgreat in Rogue One.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know if you're.
That's my favorite Star Warsmovie, so I'm looking forward to
the guy that directed that forthe creator.
That's coming out soon.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Oh, yeah, yeah, when is that?
Open Friday Pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
yeah, I'm not sure exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, it might be Friday that it opens.
Yeah, that looks fantastic.
It's very Star Wars meets AI.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, yeah, that looks.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Type of thing that looks really good.
So yeah, back to theinteresting villains, which,
again, nothing against KateBlanchett in the prayer film,
not her fault, it just wasn't avery interesting villain, at
least to me.
And then you get Mads Mickelson, which this wasn't the typical
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way of the bad guy who wants torule the world.
You find out that his mainmotivation is to go back and
help Germany win the war, butnot the way you think.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Not how you would think.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
exactly right, yeah, so full on spoiler alert here
we're gonna go right into thatterritory, so if you don't wanna
hear that, then you might notwanna listen to the end of this.
But his plan is to go back intime to kill Hitler.
So then, and then like takeover, yeah, yeah, I mean he's
(17:41):
very stuck on the fact and heeven says it that Germany didn't
lose the war, hitler did yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Hitler was making mistakes and he knew the correct
way to be able to win the war.
And so, and one of the thingswould be to, didn't he say
something about the problemswith the rockets, the V-1 rocket
?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I think he said something to that yeah,
something you know he had.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
But he like the technology.
He knew how to fix the problemsthat they were having and they
put all their efforts intosomething that was a failed
technology at the time.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, so you know, now, years later, 25, 26 years
later, he's able to go ahead andtake all that which he's
learned since then, to be ableto go back and fix all that so,
and it's presented in such a waythat you know it's that
(18:38):
information is given to IndianaJones as to what the exact plan
was, because he was convincedwhat you're gonna go back you're
gonna.
Who's your target?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Ike, you know.
So, Eisenhower, these guys.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He's almost insulted.
What kind of Nazi kills aFuhrer, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
So yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, it's just fun, and
he asked him that.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
But again, you know one of the things too
interesting.
So the MacGuffin in this is theAntikythera, in this case, you
know, called the Dial of Destiny, which, if you look this thing
up, there was a device that wasfound years back, with all these
gears and whatnot, on ashipwreck that was, you know,
(19:19):
supposedly years ahead of itstime, like nobody had seen
anything like this inarcheological finds in the time
period to where it was dated.
So, that's where kind of this isbased off of, not something
that is predicting time, nexusareas and fluctuations in time.
(19:42):
But you know, whatever it did,I think they have a theory as to
what it was doing.
I think it had something to dowith astronomy maybe and
wayfinding for ships.
I'd have to look back, but inany event that wouldn't be as
interesting in the film ifthat's where it was going.
So they end up tracking downthe dial and the other half of
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the dial because they originallyonly have the one half and they
have to find that and you getsome real good Indiana Jones
type moments with puzzle solvingand whatnot.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
To go ahead and put all this together, the film the
way it shot Foreign languagesthat they know and speak and
they're pretty much having likea quiz off on how to speak and
what he would be speaking whatlanguage, so trying to show that
he's important in this wholething.
So he has to go along.
So that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, no, the chemistry between Phoebe Waller
Bridge and Harrison Ford workedfor me really well.
Yeah, I thought they played off.
I don't know if you've everseen the.
You ever see Fleabag?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh yeah, of course, dude, so good, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You know?
Another tidbit is she voiced L7, which was Lando's droid in the
solo film, the Han Solo moviecalled Solo.
So that's kind of a tie inbetween.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Harrison Ford and her .
Speaker 1 (21:09):
she voiced that droid , so in any event, so the film
itself is really.
I mean, I'd have to look andsee exactly where they filmed
everywhere, because they reallycrossed the map on all these
different locales that they wentto.
So that in itself is anadventure, just being able to
see all these different places,and I'm a big fan of the map
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with the plane or the boat, thedotted line.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
How iconic, right?
Yeah, it's fantastic that theykeep using it and it works.
It works great.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, it's one of those things that you expect to
see.
So you know, the dial ends upbeing something that can go
ahead and predict Time Fishers,which Mads Mikkelsen's character
.
Voler is a physicist and he hasdetermined that these Time
Fishers and what the dial can do.
(22:07):
His plan is to go ahead and usea certain set of coordinates to
go ahead and be able to headback to 1939, to go ahead and
kill Hitler, help Germany winthe war.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
But what we find out and any movie that does time
travel well, and I say wellbecause it's all theoretical but
one of the movies I enjoy themost having to do with time
travel is Back to the Future,but it's also got probably the
most broken version of timetravel in my mind of any film.
(22:40):
But I don't care, because Ilove it.
You know it's great.
Can I run this by you?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
We don't need to know it's right or wrong, because
it's all theoretical.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, have I run this by you, though Let me do this,
because I wanna get your peopleout there in LA, friends of
yours, hit them with this.
Take Back to the Future.
Einstein the dog, the firstintroduction to the Time Machine
, to the DeLorean in the TwinPines Mall parking lot.
Doc Brown needs Marty out thereto go ahead and hold the
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camcorder while he's doing hisexperiment with the stopwatches
what he does he takes astopwatch that's perfectly in
sync with a stopwatch that hisdog, einstein, is wearing.
He puts Einstein in the car.
The car is remote controlled.
He sends that car out.
It disappears.
Marty doesn't know what thehell's going on.
(23:31):
He thought Einstein justdisintegrated.
A minute later the car showsback up.
They open the door.
The dog's fine, but the clocksare exactly one minute off.
Exactly one minute off, and DocBrown explains that to Einstein
the dog.
The trip was instantaneous.
It's just like it out and back,just like blink of an eye.
(23:54):
He arrived at that one minuteBecause he skipped yes, skipped
over that minute and arrived atthe minute that they're at now.
They experienced that minute.
He didn't.
That's why the time is off.
Okay.
Now, when he does anddisappears, marty's like you
disintegrated Einstein.
There's no Einstein there, okay.
Later in the film, back to thefuture too, he and his
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girlfriend and Doc Brown goforward in the future to meet
Marty and Jennifer's futureselves.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
The problem I have there.
The biggest plot hole thatsteers me in the face every time
I watch it, is when Einsteingot in the car and went forward
in time, even though it was aminute, could have been a year,
a minute, whatever there was noother Einstein left behind.
Therefore he couldn't go aheadand exist one minute in the
(24:47):
future because he was insulatedinside that car.
So when he got back he didn'trun into his minute older self.
Oh, I see what you're saying yousee what I'm saying.
So it would have been likeMarty and Jennifer just
disappeared until 30 years laterand reappeared as their younger
selves when they jumped in thattime machine.
(25:08):
They went forward in time 30years, but went missing from the
time.
The minute they got in that carthey disappeared from that
timeline.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So in any event, dial destiny.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
The first inclination you get of what this thing is
doing is when they findArchimedes tomb, and Helena
points out that this Phoenixwhat you're calling a Phoenix
has propellers.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
On it, on the engraving on the, the tomb.
So you're kind of like what?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right, and then Indiana Jones is doing what?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And then he's wearing a wristwatch.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
His corpse is wearing a wristwatch and he has the
other half of the dial.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
It's like okay what the any?
You know.
You know clocks won't beinvented for another thousand
years, not to mention, you know,wristwatch.
They end up going up there.
One thing leads to another.
They head through the timefissure.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
And Indiana Jones makes the you know the statement
about.
I don't know where we're going,but it sure as hell isn't 1930.
1939.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Berlin and it wasn't right.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
They end up going through there and they are at,
as they alluded to earlier, inthe film Indiana Jones teaching
about the battle of Syracuse inSicily, which is great.
Yeah, oh, it's so good.
That's where they end up,perfect.
You learn where, why thatPhoenix had propellers as the
the German bomber goes back,gets speared, goes down.
We learn how Archimedes corpseended up with the watch because
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they end up running intoArchimedes himself.
But it works in a way that thatpeople had so much issue with
the interdimensional beings inKingdom of the Crystal Skull I
don't think people had the samea version to what happened in
here, to where they actually raninto Archimedes himself, and I
think one of the the mostinteresting things was is that
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they figured out that thatwasn't a dial to go where you
wanted.
In time, Helena called it astack deck.
It was always going to bringsomeone to that point.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Which is key, that she knew that card trick.
Yes, yep.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yep, cause they go ahead and give you exactly what
a stack deck means, so that youknow very cleverly, stick that
in there.
So if you're too slow to playalong at home, that's what.
That's what.
That's how that works.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
They always give you the breadcrumbs of the finale,
always Yep.
So it's it's important for youto to follow along, and one of
the one of the things that Ilearned from listening to
podcasts was there was aChristopher McQuarrie who wrote
the usual suspects.
One of the things that he thehe didn't know the rules of like
(27:47):
screenplay, and one of therules is that their narrator is
truthful and tells you thehonest perspective.
Well, in the usual suspect, thenarrator is a liar, and so that
is something that was differentand it threw everybody off,
because they always trusted thenarrator and it had never been
(28:10):
done before where the narratorwas not not telling the truth,
it was setting the whole thingup.
So it was a liar.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Of all the scripts of all time, and it takes up up to
that point for that to happen.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
To that point for the narrator to be a liar the whole
time Damn him.
Yeah, so, and he didn't knowthat that was something that you
couldn't do or didn't do.
And so he, he won an Oscar,telling a great story, and
everybody's believing that this,the, the narrator, the person
that's telling the story, is thehonest one and telling you the
(28:47):
true story.
Now that's fantastic.
Making the whole thing up.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Oh, that is so good I didn't.
Yeah, I never knew that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So that, and when it comes to this, the storytelling
they're giving you the breadcrumbs along the way and
everything that they're showingyou, and this magic, the reason
why this magic trick is told inthis is because that's exactly
what's happening towards the end.
So it's it's great to be ableto, to foreshadow in that way
and and pay attention to it.
Always pay attention, payattention to the signs, right?
(29:18):
Yeah, if you read the signs,Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
If it's you reading the signs, yep, that's another,
another, all time favorite.
So yeah, they get there to thebattle Syracuse, the Nazi plane
goes down, nazi bad guysvanquished by, you know,
basically Roman warships, whichI think is great.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Sorry, you're a Nazi.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
They end up meeting Archimedes and Indiana Jones.
Who's who's badly wounded atthat time, you know, you know
decides that you know, you know,I'm.
You go back, I'm going to staybecause which is so great.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
That's what I was talking about, like the two
story.
Three thing is just like he's.
This is what he's actuallyexperiencing it and he's fine
with staying there and let himlive in that.
He's got nothing to go back to.
He's got a broke down apartment.
Nobody cares about him.
He thinks he is finally a partof history.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, and and again, phoebe Waller Bridget.
She plays it so well becauseyou can see her like you know
her character trying to be likeyeah, no, you're not staying
here, come on, we're going thattough edge.
But you see her start to breakdown and she's like you know you
know she's emotional about it.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
She's like first time you see her get emotional.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Exactly Because she's out for herself.
You know the whole time thatwell, for me it was the second
time.
The first time you saw a littlebit of it was when he was
telling her the story about hisson and his wife.
Yeah, that part.
And when she's like after Indygets shot at the, at the tomb,
you know she's like we justcan't, we can't just leave him.
You can't just leave him and soyou know, you start to see that.
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So she basically goes on arescue mission to get him back.
They end up there at the Battleof Syracuse and she's telling
him you can't stay.
You know you can't stay andit's so well done because she's
speaking ancient Greek toArchimedes and mixing in English
with it.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
He doesn't know what the hell is going on.
He doesn't know, she's like bigfan, she goes, yeah, so big fan
of family.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
That was a great line .
It was awesome and so.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And you're a genius at all those things, but he, he
does not belong here, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
It's he needs to be back in his time.
So she ends up decking aninjured Indy and a Jones wake
back up.
The story continues back in in.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
New York Pulling an Indy move Right Totally.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
That's such an Indy move.
Yup and back in his apartment,you know, and things are are
mended to the point to where youknow.
Helena's obviously contactedMarion, gave her the lowdown,
she shows back up and they'regiven a chance to go ahead and
and repair their marriage andyeah.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well, here's another great thing about that.
Okay.
So there, these are likepotential finales.
Each, each step of these arepotential finales for any fan.
So, with Harrison Ford beingthere and the fan connecting and
him staying there, any fanwould be like, oh, what a way to
go.
(32:26):
You know, good, good forIndiana.
People will appreciate him here.
Nobody appreciates him in thereal time.
Don't go back, stay there andI'm fine with that finale.
Nope, that's not how it's goingto happen.
He decks him, knocks him out,he wakes up in bed.
Okay, so the finale is this wasall a dream and this is just
(32:47):
waking up.
This is like a Bob Newhartthing where, like, the end of
the whole thing was all.
It was all a dream, and sothere was potential of that and
you would be, and you'd be like,oh man, it was just a dream.
And then you see the dial ofdestiny and then you're like, no
, it's real.
It's real, you see, like theshoulder, and so then all this
(33:10):
starts to come together and thereal ending is when, like you
said, she reached out and Marionshows back up.
And that's the part that getsme emotional, talking about that
Cause that is such a pivotalthing and for him to be able to
actually use the dial of destinylike he wanted to be able to do
.
He didn't get his son's lifeback, but he got his wife back.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Right In in, you know , by them sticking the dial
right there, even though it had.
It was just a side piece tothis whole thing happening in in
context of what was importantto him.
You know it was there as analliteration that you know.
Here it is.
It still brought you back towhat was important.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, so and and a and a call back to the original
Raiders of the Lost Ark.
You know, with the, you knowwhere does it hurt, you know it
hurts yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And I've had to explain that to people that saw
that and like, oh, I didn't likethat part where where does it
hurt?
Kind of I was like that was athrowback.
That was that happened in thefirst one.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, you should have .
Speaker 2 (34:12):
you should have thunder punched whoever said
that Give a nice Indiana Jonespunch the.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Indiana Jones Thunder Punch.
But yeah, so it wrapped upreally well.
You know, I don't quite knowthat the landscape of of films
and production companies andpolitics is so blurred these
days.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
With you know, I'm you know, I'm you know, I'm you
know, I'm you know, I'm you know, never you know, and I'm not
trying to get into the politicalrealm of things, but this, this
film, I mean a solid, solidIndiana Jones film.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You know I mean way for me, way above Kingdom of the
Crystal skull, and you know Ican go toe to toe with Temple of
Doom Anytime any time, totallyday you know, for me because
it's so well done and and andnot CGI heavy, except for the
beginning where you you have thereplacement of the younger
indie, but you know, a lot ofpractical effects felt like
(35:14):
those older, the original movies.
But you have so many Divisionsgoing on in the world where
people just want to go ahead and, for one reason or another,
take, take sides, and I thinkthat's what you're seeing some
of now with, you know, disney'son a losing streak.
(35:39):
Yeah, you know major losingstrength with with things that
that were sure fired things, andI don't think that that the the
box office returns on on Dialof destiny necessarily reflect
that it wasn't a good movie.
I think there's a lot of peoplewho are put off by certain
(36:00):
decisions that that justactively decided not to go and
give me money, which is you knowwhich is a shame that you know
we've reached a point to whereyou can't go ahead.
I'm not saying, you know, ifthat's your thing and you want
to, you know, speak your mindthat way.
(36:20):
That's your right.
Yeah to go ahead and do.
I think, though, that there isa.
I Think people do themselves adisservice in certain situations
by blindly aligning themselveswith, with certain things, what,
whatever side of the aisle thatthat people are on, I I don't
think, I think you can miss outon enjoying a good film.
(36:42):
They're just not a lot ofdialogue.
That happens these days to sayyou know what.
I don't agree with you, but Ican respect what you know what,
what you're doing here, and Ithink that's that's part of the
problem, and it's reflecting allthe way through the
entertainment industry.
Now I'm predicting right now mybrother and I were discussing
this, and I'm predicting rightnow that you might see and and
(37:05):
actually it was, it was mybrother that mentioned this,
he's a host over Rudy's roundup.
He's predicting and we'll see,we'll see, we'll have this on
record he's predicting that the,the Snow White movie, the live
action, goes straight to DisneyPlus.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
He, yeah, he might be right on that.
Um, it's crazy to me becausethat's a big budget of what
they're doing.
They're doing with the sevenaverage people.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, you know, and and so again, you know, it's
just on that, that that thingright now with you take and and
I I listen to a.
I Listened to a audiobook.
It was a Walt Disney biographythat came out about ten years
ago and.
It talked about.
(38:02):
I mean, he had everythingwriting on Snow White A few
times in his career he beteverything on a few different
things, Let it ride huh,everything, I mean wow,
completely everything on thatfilm.
So it was, I mean it was a 100%labor of love, that film, damn.
(38:23):
And to go ahead and To drawnegative attention to Snow White
being produced by Disney, thatthat that's happened.
You know, I think RachelZiegler had said some things
that she probably, I know Disneywishes she never said and she
probably doesn't.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
That's the only reason I know her name.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Honestly, yeah, and it's a shame because in I I
really enjoyed the remake ofWest Side Story that Spielberg
did.
She played Maria.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I thought she was fantastic but okay, yeah, that
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I thought it.
It's not knowing the room.
You know that the core Disneyaudience to go ahead and say,
well, you know that times havechanged a lot since 1939, right
in this instance, probably don'tbite that hand you know, like
this princess doesn't needrecord Rescueing.
Okay, that's, that's fine.
(39:16):
Make a movie with that, youknow, don't, don't bite that a
rich.
Oh gee, disney story yeah and inyou know so I'm thinking that
you know the Hemorrhaging ofsome of these films at Disney's
done.
Let's be honest, marvel is notwhat it isn't putting out, what
it used to.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I think it peaks, it really peaked and, and so at the
end it did with me as far as,like we were Working towards
something.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
I know where it peaked for you, right before
Iron man came out.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I don't want any part of it.
I've seen Rockets here.
I think they're gonna beJennifer Connelly and Rockets
here.
Come on, get out of here.
Nobody's gonna see this.
So I got a prediction.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
But no good yeah, so it peaked.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah with with endgame and then after after
that and it just became soformulaic, with with most of
these Marvel Comics.
And so people are just likeI've seen this already and so
you see the, the average personthat was looking forward to
being able to get all thesethings and seeing the movies in
(40:32):
Order to get to that endgame.
And then, after the endgame, Ifeel like a lot of people fallen
off after that because it itreally went through and some
people were a team Thanos andand so after that happened and
there was still like what dothey call that?
The dip or the gap, or the blip.
What is it like?
The the blip, the blip, yeah.
(40:54):
So after that, being likesolidified in the reality of the
Marvel Universe, I think a lotof people have been turned off
after that right and seeingeverything as a formula.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, so you know again.
Again, I, like I said, hate toget into the politics, but you
know, from a strictly justentertainment.
You know, something happened towhere the box office returns
weren't nearly what they whatthey expected, especially on our
film with a budget of 300million dollars.
Holy smokes Geez yeah you knowwhich over time it'll be, it'll
be looked at is as a.
(41:27):
You know the completionist.
It fits right in with the theother movies.
It'll do fine over time but youknow that the initial so
something happened somewhere Boxoffice just was the Disney
Company.
Box offices are not doing whatthey they should and what
they're expected to do, so it'llbe interesting to see what
happens with with some of thesenext Big movies.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, you could be right with that snow white thing
.
Yeah, because of all thecontroversy it's going over it
right now.
And when is the?
When is it debuting?
When is it coming out?
Hey, I believe you're.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
I thought it was supposed to be out next year,
2024.
But they might release it on aTuesday and March, I don't know.
Without telling anybody.
The HBO surprise midnight.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
But it's on max, you're right.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
You're right.
So but yeah, I think everythingthat we've talked about with
the film and the love for theseries itself just, you know,
lend it to a lot of it isHarrison Ford, devotion to the
(42:40):
character, the stories andthings of that nature.
So, box office aside, reallysolid film, great way to end the
story of Indiana Jones.
You know, I don't know that Ineed to see somebody else
playing Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
But if somebody thinks it'll make money, I'm
sure we'll see that.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
It will happen, yeah.
So, Well, as a fan, seeing thisas the fifth and probably final
for Harrison Ford, are youpretty happy with how it turned
out?
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, I am, because you know, honestly, I had heard
ever since the preview it can.
I'd heard such mixed reactionsthat my expectations were really
high when the first trailercame out and then they got like
tempered big because I was like,oh my God, this could be
another crystal skull.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
You know.
So when I saw it I was likewhat the hell is wrong with
people?
This was an Indiana Jones film.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
You know.
So you know, I think one of thebiggest things was they got
permission to use a Beatles song.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
Yeah, in the film.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
So, yeah, I think it's definitely one I'll revisit
from time to time.
I think I've seen it more.
I've seen it four times, sothat's probably one more than
I've seen crystal skull already.
Oh, wow, yeah, but I'll revisitall of them again.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
There'll be like marathons, Like you'll have like
a Saturday where you'll justwatch them all if you don't have
anything.
Yeah, which is be?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
appropriate because that's where all of it was born
from.
George Lucas the matinees thathe would see when he was growing
up, and I think you know that'sa great way to end this episode
he's just talking about, youknow, the creator of Indiana
Jones.
You know, basically you know,just turning his love of the
stories and movies that he sawgrowing up and turning it into
(44:34):
something that you know the restof us have been able to enjoy
on a huge scale.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Have you talked about like the origin idea of Indiana
Jones and when it was born?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
The story I had read was that it was the Saturday
matinee movies, but it was likethe look was from the treasure
of Sierra Madre.
Humphrey Bogart's characteryeah, that were the look.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
That makes sense Right.
Came from but that's what.
I had I heard a very specificstory.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
All right.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I'm gonna talk about how George Lucas was not at the
premier weekend of Star Wars.
Oh, because he was in Hawaii,son of Beach.
He was in Hawaii with StevensBielberg and they were kicking
around this idea about IndianaJones.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Fantastic, and the dog's name was.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Indiana.
Yep.
George Lucas' dog is namedIndiana, her was.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
And I'll give you a little bit of tidbit before we
go about that.
So way before Indiana Jonescame up, my wife Colleen when
they, when she was growing up,they had a Siberian Husky named
Indy.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
No, really Yep, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 2 (45:58):
And I do Talk about a dial of destiny, yeah, yeah.
Definitely see it all comesfull circle.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
But hey, stack, deck, damn it.
As always, I really appreciateyou taking some time out.
I look forward to the nextalbum review, that's gonna be up
on Culture.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
You're a big fan of Steely Dan right.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Well, I'm hoping there's an evisceration of
Steely Dan.
I'm sure they're fineindividuals, infinitely
musically more talented than I,so I don't wanna disparage that,
but I really I don't likeSteely Dan.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, so Well, in every PG-13, you're allotted one
flag.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Oh, I'm so tempting.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I know it is.
I got it with the eyes, thoughit's so tempting.
Be good, be good.
Yep, you're a good man.
You're a good man, charlieBrown, I threw you a softball.
Feel free to swing, oh hell.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Again Funko Hipster.
Thank you, yes, sir.
Tell Bogan that we said, hey,I'll let him know, we'll look
for him on the other side.
And there you have it.
We did it.
Another two-part episode, whichwas never intended to be two
parts but just ran way too longfor one part, even though
(47:47):
earlier in the seasons we did goon some marathon.
Two and a half hour, I think,is our record somewhere in there
for a single episode.
Didn't wanna torture you allwith that, you know, and there's
a lot of interesting thingsthat we talk about.
I know you probably think, myGod, this is so interesting I
can't handle another hour ofthis.
So we break it into two partsto make it easier for you to
digest.
(48:09):
Speaking of digesting, here'ssome information for you to
digest on how you can get aholdof the show.
You can email us atthiswon'tteach, at gmailcom.
You can reach us on X atthiswon'tteach, instagram at
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(48:29):
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You can also check us out onYouTube, the YouTube channel.
This won't teach you anythingvisually, full disclosure.
Only two episodes up there nowstill learning the ropes on
YouTube, and will probably stillbe always learning on the
podcast because there's nowhereto go but up, when you're down
(48:51):
at the bottom of podcasting,technology and broadcasting,
which isn't entirely true.
I do have lucky enough to havea nice setup, but there are
people out there that do it somuch better than I do and so
always looking to learn, and Ijust really enjoy the whole
podcast aspect.
So, again, thank you forlistening and we'll see you next
(49:11):
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