The Twenty-Fourth Show! Top Gun: Maverick - Part three

Prepare for takeoff as we journey through the cinematic marvel, Top Gun Maverick, in a podcast episode like no other. We dissect the gripping character development and the writers' masterful integration of Val Kilmer's real-life throat cancer into the plot, which forms a ticking time bomb that fuels the narrative tension. Listen closely as we appreciate the craft behind this high-flying narrative, the behind-the-scenes efforts, the staggering amount of footage shot, and the indomitable will it took to produce this record-breaking box office hit. 

As the episode unfolds, we navigate through the plot intricacies, the characters' challenging decisions, and the film's shift in tone from an intense mission narrative to a buddy comedy. We honor the bravery of military personnel who put their lives on the line for a mission. Revel in the sound design and mixing that created an immersive experience and the well-placed humor in this PG-13 movie. We also marvel at the hero moments given to Hangman and Rooster, building a bridge between Maverick and Rooster towards the end of the film.

Join us as we relive movie experiences and the power of a full theatre, contemplating on the joy that a resonating film provides. We reflect on the 36-year gap between the original and sequel, the tonal shift, and the deep-rooted meaning that made this film unforgettable. Finally, we entertain the idea of a third Top Gun movie and debate what it could mean for the original. Strap in, our exploration of Top Gun Maverick is nothing short of a thrilling ride!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
And just like that we are back.
It's been nearly a year.
It seems to be what I tend todo.
A lot of that is well.
The whole thing isn'tintentional.
It's just my schedule picks upand it becomes really tough to
go ahead and and balance lifeand work and the podcast.
But I'm so glad to be back, uh,glad for each of you, and I can

(00:25):
see by the subscribers and thelisten count that a lot of you
have stuck with me and I doappreciate it so much.
Uh, where we left off on thelast episode was part two of our
epic three part discussion onTop Gun Maverick with my good
friend, jake Gehringer, andwe're going to pick up right

(00:46):
where we left off, where we werediscussing the task that
Maverick had in front of him,which was to form these group of
hotshot pilots into a team,something very foreign to him,
as throughout the movie you feelthat he was just never
comfortable being a teacher.
Um, he was still.

(01:06):
Just.
He just wanted to be a pilot.
He says it in there he's apilot.
And so Jake and I were right inthe middle of that discussion
and let's go ahead and pick thatup right now with the team
aspect, it's done really well togo ahead and show the mountain
that he has to climb, to goahead and get these guys to be
able to function together as ateam.
The other side of that, whilehe's trying to do that, you

(01:29):
really get the feeling, as youknow, you're reintroduced to Val
Kilmer's Iceman.
Right and when, when you catchup with him and the first scene
with him, you realize that he'shad cancer and so you know he
goes back there, maverick goesto his house and talks to his

(01:49):
wife and you realize at thispoint that the cancer is
terminal and there's there'snothing they're going to be able
to do for him.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, it's just a matter of time and it's
unfortunate, and they knew thatit was.
It was something like this andit's coming back and it's, it's.
It's as Hitchcock woulddescribe it it's the ticking
bomb under the table and we allknow that that bomb is going to
go off at some point.
But the tension rises when youdon't know when that's going to

(02:19):
happen.
Yeah, and who's?

Speaker 1 (02:20):
going to I don't know , and who's going to be at the
table right.
You know what's going to happenthere.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, yeah.
And and how the all, the all,the uh circumstances around that
are going to fall into place?
And what's that does withMaverick?
Because he's supposed to be outas soon as he, val Kilmer, his,
his, um, um, saving grace isgone, then that means he's out
as well, right, so he's got toprotect him anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Right, and so you really get the feeling that that
Iceman is, while Maverick's,trying to put this team together
and teach these kids.
You really get the feeling thatIceman's trying to teach
Maverick.
You know the same thing he'strying to teach these kids.
Yeah, you know right, it's sogood, I mean it's, it's, it's so

(03:08):
much into that and, um, it wasdone really smart, you get, you
really got to.
You know, tip your cap to tothe writers.
They came up with this because,um, you know, for those who
don't know, val Kilmer reallydid have throat cancer, yeah,
and so he's basically lost theability to speak.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Did you get a chance to watch that documentary?

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I did Yep, yeah, it's fantastic.
Heart wrenching to watch that.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yep, so well done.
It gives you such a differentperspective on somebody who was,
you know, allegedly hard towork with, and I mean he's got
the.
He's got the receipts, asthey're saying today.
he's got the receipts because hewas filming all these things
and how he was feeling at thosetimes, so it was great to be
able to see those things andthen, on top of dealing with the

(03:58):
health that he never had todeal with before, and then
bringing that depth into thecharacter, where he knows that
he has a voice and wants to beable to speak as a performer.
And now that is gone, but youcan still emote without speaking
.
And they did that so well andhandled it with such grace, to

(04:19):
put him.
I mean he, I mean he lookedgreat, I mean it's, he's got
hair I wish I had for sure.
I wish I had hair, but for themto put him in that light, I
thought it was done so classy.
It was really really well doneyeah.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
And, and you know, with technology it's funny
because with this film, one ofthe things that that has been
mentioned about it is part ofwhat maybe drew so many people
into this, because this is is Idon't think any of us could have
gone ahead and expected thatthis film would be the

(05:02):
juggernaut.
it was, oh, not by the longreach you know this should have
been one of those that it can goeither good or it can go bad.
Right, Is it just a cash graband you know, has it been too
long?
Yeah, this thing went into alltime box office records.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, I mean far, far , far beyond what's up, and then
, yeah, it's into like the top10 of all time when it comes to
domestic gross, which which isjust absolutely, just absolutely
crazy.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Nobody saw this coming, except probably Tom
Cruise.
Tom Cruise just sitting back.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
It was like I told you, so I mean release it into
theater.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it is, and so you know you, you
have that again, that decisionto go ahead and release in the
theater and it just speaks toyou know so many things, going
back, like I said, to thetechnology, of how much maybe

(06:05):
people are actually hungeringfor something that's not just
the CGI action fest, yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Because they were doing it in camera right.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
So yeah, the, the, the, the, the F 18 scenes.
So the main planes that they'reteaching within here were all
rented from the government, andat something crazy like $10,000
an hour is what the rental feeswere on these jets.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
I only know one person with that rate, and
that's you.
Oh, that's right.
Well worth it though.
Yeah, so has it been hesitateto call rude the top gun.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, well, I, I need a call sign.
Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, so youhave to ask.
Or or your brother, the yeah,so yeah, they.
They've rented these planesfrom the Navy, essentially at at

(07:06):
I believe it was 10,.
The rate was around $10,000 anhour to go ahead and do this,
and they use the, the two-seaterversions, which in the film in
the mission where they go at theend you had the single seat
versions that that Maverick flewand and Rooster flew, and then

(07:29):
the, the ones with the, the, theweapons specialists were the
two-seaters, so you had Phoenixand Bob, and payback and and
fanboy were in the two-seaters.
Well, the scenes were allfilmed with the two-seater,
where the pilot of the jet wouldsit in the front and all the
cameras were set to the secondseat, but it's still the camera
view looked like they wereflying the plane, but that's

(07:52):
interesting because, yeah, they,they, they took classes to
learn how to handle G forces andthey were in.
The actors were in these planes, which is something that did
not happen in the first top gun.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, they were using the, the actual pilots, to be
able to do that in the first oneand using the footage and it
wasn't there wasn't much in thein the cockpit like they are in
this one.
They are all over that.
And they had like six camerasin there.
I heard the director talkingabout how they talked to the,
the pilots, and were likepointing out things in the

(08:30):
cockpit and was like do you needthat to fly?
No, take it out, put a camerain.
No, do you need this navigationthing?
No, you don't need that to fly,take it out, put a camera in.
So they were flying up therewith, I think, six cameras in
there in each one of them thatthey were doing the reaction and
there's no like monitors thatthe director is like right there

(08:51):
in the jet next to it.
They had to do all this footageand then come down and then
they would project it up foreverybody to see, like the
acting, whether or not theycould use it or not.
So they were doing thesedailies as they would come down
and be like, well, we got to goback up there tomorrow or we got
to go in the next couple ofhours to be able to get the shot

(09:13):
.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
And that that very much is old school filmmaking,
to where you couldn't go aheadand just see the shot right
after you did it.
You had to go ahead and do allthis stuff, then go review the
dailies and then figure out whatyou needed to get the next day,
Just like you said.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I heard this fact about how much shooting they did
.
Do you know how much?

Speaker 1 (09:34):
I read probably the same article.
I don't have the numbers.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
I knew it was something crazy 813 hours of
footage, which a couple of factwas from that.
So 813 hours of footage is ifyou would put hour to hour to
hour to watch it back to back,it would take 33 days to get

(09:58):
through just the footage.
33 days watching it straight,no break.
So that should tell you.
And also that that footage forTop Gun Maverick is more than
the Lord of the Rings combined.
What they shot for it, whatthey shot for the Lord.

(10:18):
I mean extra stuff.
There are four hour cuts ofLord of the Rings, each one and
one shot more than that combined.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, and I think that speaks to your point of
with them going up there.
They just had to lay stuff downup there and they did have to
review all 800 plus hours ofthis footage to see what they
had to see.
You know how to put it togetherand again, you know a test.
Just again, hats off to theactors.

(10:47):
You know if it's hard to goahead and and do blue screen
work, I mean this is essentiallythe same type of thing.
I mean, no, there's no planesblowing up.
You know out there that they'rereacting to and, first off,
they can't see in front of them.
Because if you, if you Googlean image search and you look at

(11:08):
what the cockpit looked likewith these cameras like there's
a stack of them right up aboveeye level to where they they
would be able to see out thefront of them.
It's just insane the amount ofthings that these actors I'm
sure never have had to act theirway out of.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
And, like you said, they're pulling G's up there.
So the physicality of that, Imean it's it is throwing you
back and forth and it's like,like Tom Cruise said, in that it
feels like an elephant sittingon your chest as you're pushing
nine G's up there.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, it's.
It's absolutely insane theamount, and that was one of the
things aside from the story andTom Cruise's interest in doing a
sequel.
Another thing was being able toit.
It sounds very familiar withGeorge Lucas said about doing
the prequel movies and havingthe technology available to go
ahead and make the movie thatthey wanted, and so that

(12:04):
supposedly was one of the thingsthat Tom Cruise wanted to do.
He didn't want to go ahead andshoot the same way to where they
did all the the cockpit work ina studio.
He wanted to go ahead.
One of the things that you'llnotice between the two films is
how much talking they do in thefirst film without the masks on

(12:26):
so you could see the actor'sface and you could see their
mouths and all that kind ofstuff.
A real pilot.
When I was watching some behindthe scenes stuff, you can go on
YouTube and get reactions frompeople so they have, like
there's one you can find wherethere's a fighter pilot reaction
to top gun.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Oh, yeah, ok.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
And then he'll sit there and they'll show a scene
and then he'll talk about well,in this scene you know that is
something that would happen, orthis, this would never happen in
real life.
And so one of the things thatthey mentioned were yeah, if
you're up flying, you're notgoing to have that mask off, and
it's not because it's it's hardto breathe at some points, it's
because you can't hear anything.
Nobody could hear you talk.
That's why the mask isimportant, one for the oxygen.

(13:08):
If you're like in a situationwhere the G forces and you need
you're up too high, you need theoxygen, but it's that it's so
loud the mic in there has to beclosed so that they can talk, so
that if you notice in this oneanytime that they've got those
masks on, they're in a real jet.
Now they make a point in thisagain.

(13:29):
You know there's severalthrowbacks or callbacks, easter
eggs, to the first film, and oneof them is, you know, when
they're briefing Maverick on onthe mission and they show him
the satellite imagery and theymention these fifth gen
generation fighters and what'son this airfield that they can

(13:50):
expect in way of adversariescoming towards them once they
drop these Tomahawk missiles in.
It's going to stir up theHornets nest.
They've got it.
They're using those Tomahawksto hit the airfield so they
can't scramble jets to get intothe air.
Yeah, and they go through thelist.
You know there's these jetshere and then they, and just
again a little throwaway.

(14:11):
But you know, here we're goingto spoon feed you a little bit
Some old F 14 fighters.
Well, the F 14, the Tomcat wasthe main, the main fighter that
was in the original top gun.
So that comes back in a big way.
They'll not get, yeah.
So, or what's that exactly?

(14:32):
Well, one of the things isthere are no more F 14s in the
US are arsenal that are that areused, are all retired, yeah.
So those scenes with an F 14are CGI model work or in the
studio with it.
So you'll see when they takeoff and the masks aren't, aren't

(14:55):
on a couple of times.
And it's a good throwbackbecause it's in scenes with
you've got Maverick in the inthe front seat, yeah, and you
got Rooster in the jump seat,yeah.
You know, just like his dad.
Yeah, in the rear, yeah, yeah,a little little thing there, but
again there's.
There's not a ton of computeraided imagery.

(15:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
In this film you know there's some CGI there.
I watched one of those videosas well, and it was talking
about how one of the planes thatwas in in the back did some
kind of role that they're likeoh yeah, they got to do that in
reverse, because you don't justroll up next to them like that.

(15:43):
It was like you can roll out butyou don't roll up next to in
the wingman position or the Ithink they called it the
fingertip position.
So that was interesting.
It'd be like that had to be CGIand I think there might be some
reflection stuff.
Mm, hmm, why is little thingslike that?
But?
But they tried to stay aspractical as possible with a lot

(16:04):
of the different things likethat.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, and that you know.
Another Hollywood thing wouldbe the visors, because the
visors are tinted for fighterpilots.
They're not going to go upthere with clear visors.
But then again you're notpaying Tom Cruise a bunch of
money to hide his face.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, we want to see that.
Let's see those eyes.
Yeah, that's, that's what goodway and Trapid Thunder for me is
.
When they did a close up of hiseyes, I was like, oh, that's
like the mission impossible shot.
And I was like that's TomCruise, that's Tom Cruise.
How good is that person next tome.
I was like that's Tom, did youknow that, tom Cruise?
And they're like, no, that'snot.
And I was like it is.
Look at the eyes.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Man.
I was like go in the eyesAnytime, anytime somebody
mentions that, that to me youknow the part that I think of of
his character.
I'm afraid I want you to goover there and punch that
director in the face, reallyf-ing hard Right when he hits

(17:01):
everything.
Oh fat I love that God so good.
But yeah, so you know, it begsto start asking the question
have we gotten to a point wherethere is some of this high

(17:26):
spectacle Marvel movie fatigue?

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I would think that there is.
There's a lot of that.
I mean being in the differentgalaxies, whatnot, and having
these people like it.
It takes somebody like a TomCruise to be able to pull that
off, because people want to beable to do it for like,
insurance purposes, for thecomfort and the ease of being
able to do these things on alaptop, rather than pay the

(17:51):
money to destroy something or topay the money to go up and do
something like that.
I know Tarantino is all aboutdoing things in camera and being
able to see like what makes methink of death proof.
When they did, there was no CGIand the way Bell was on the
hood they were going 60, 70miles an hour holding on with
the belt, and so doing thosethings in camera and being able

(18:16):
to do something like that is askill itself and to me it always
pays off.
Being able to see like the realthing happening.
They just one of those thingsthat blurs the line.
I know that it's Hollywood, butwhen we know that their lives
are in danger to be able to geta shot for us to be entertained
while we're eating popcorn,there's something so

(18:38):
entertaining to see somethinglike that.
That's a modern day gladiatorto me.
They're putting their lives onthe line for us to be
entertained.
Are we?

Speaker 1 (18:47):
not entertained.
Very nice, take a drink.
Yeah, and you know.
Let's just mention how greatZoe Bell is in death proof.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
I mean she's so good at that.
I mean they wrote a moviearound that character just to
show off the talents that shehas and what she's capable of
doing.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, long time.
You know one of the top femalestunt performers, one of the top
stunt performers in theindustry.
I got the meter ones Did youreally.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, I met her First time.
I did Sundance.
I volunteered there and theywere doing because they were
doing a re-screening ofReservoir Dogs.
It was like 25 year, 30 yearanniversary, and they were
giving an award to Quentin andZoe Bell was there as well, and
so they were doing like a swarything outside.

(19:43):
So I went out there and there'sfree stuff, and there she was.
So one of us was like hey, ZoeBell, and she was like oh, I
can't do the accent, but yeah,it was very nice.
So it was great and it wasgreat to see her later do death
proof and and being able to seeher yeah, yeah, well done.
If you haven't seen death proof,well worth a watch really

(20:06):
underrated, tarantino flick andone of the opinions I have about
death proof is that if anybodyelse did that outside of
Tarantino, it would be amasterpiece.
People would look at that andbe like they shot that practical
and we're able to pull that offand be able to keep it in.
It's like centered on the frameas that crash was happening.

(20:26):
Oh, it was.
It was so cool to be able to dosomething like that and, like I
said, if it wasn't Tarantino,then that would be like top five
masterpiece and people would befollowing those things, Like
people love X right now, or tietie West that did that movie X
with Pearl and Maxine that'scoming out so like a horror

(20:47):
trifecta in a matter of a yearand so they're talking about him
being an art tour.
But if he was to do somethinglike a death proof, everybody
would be like, oh, this is thenext Tarantino kind of thing.
So it's highly recommend goingscene.
Well, death proof, because Ithink it's streaming on HBO Max
now.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, it's well, well done.
I mean everybody in that thatfilm.
I mean it's got probably themost visceral car accident I've
ever seen in a movie.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, you'll never.
You will never ride in a carthe same way after watching that
.
No, no, you will not.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yep, I'll, I'll say Yep.
So yeah, the for a movie in 20,well, what 2019 probably is,
when it was shot close to that,to be shot with just minimal,
what I think is minimal.
By today's thing yeah bytoday's standards, you know,

(21:46):
post work is just incredible,and I think that was one of the
things that that they wanted togo ahead and make sure that it
was done like without that.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, and that's, that's part of the.
The word of mouth is like ohyeah, tom Cruise really find the
flying that stuff, or TomCruise and the actors were
really up there.
So when you have people talkingin that way about a movie and
everybody wants to go see that,what does that look like?
And I think that has an appealto it as well.

(22:18):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Again, because you know, like you mentioned, you
know these, it's not the same ashanging off a car by belt, but
I mean, every one of thoseactors is in a fighter plane,
yeah, I mean it's all stunt workthat they're doing, because
that's just not something thatyou do every day.
You don't go up in an F-18 everyday.

(22:41):
From a technical standpoint,really well done.
One of the things that I don'tthink people who aren't fans of
the original and I don't meanthat don't like the original,
but just know a ton about theoriginal.
You notice at the end in thecredits you get an in memory of

(23:06):
Tony Scott who directed theoriginal Top Gun.
My wife asked me who Tony Scottwas, and so I explained to her.
Ridley Scott's brother.
Ridley Scott of Alien, fameGladiator, just one of the great

(23:29):
filmmakers Of all time.
Well, Tony Scott struggled withsome mental issues and actually
committed suicide off theGolden Gate Bridge.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
I think he had gotten some news about cancer and
didn't want to go through all ofthat process.
Thought it was a death order byhaving cancer in his body and
didn't see that there was anescape from there.
Unfortunately, took it off todo something like that.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, so very sad, but worth mentioning that
without his work on the original, there wouldn't have been a
second one.
There was talk with himinvolved as late as 2016,.
17, I think.

(24:26):
But yeah, so it's a terriblething.
It's nice when somebody putsthat up there, and it was
something I wanted to mention inthis is that when you see that
a lot of us, if we don't know, Iknow, if I see something like

(24:48):
that, I look up who the personis because I want to see exactly
what they brought to whateverI'm looking at, and so it really
needs to be mentioned thatwithout there's many people,
without Tom Cruise, without theactors in the first one, but the
director, someone isn't gettingmade if the first one doesn't

(25:13):
do what they all had a part inhaving it do.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
And I don't think it reaches as many people if this
one doesn't pay homage to TonyScott and his vision of that
first one.
So they're shooting in similarstyles, like they're almost
doing it as an extended arm ofwhat Tony Scott would shoot it
like.
So that's the ultimate tributeto be able to do that and then

(25:41):
to say in memory of it I thinkit was again.
This whole thing seemed justreeked of class and respect for
the way that they handled it.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, 100%, 100%.
So, going back to the filmitself, you have that moment
where Iceman does pass away andit's used as that point in the
movie to where, okay, he's gonenow and these admirals probably

(26:15):
a long list who had tried toground Maverick over the years
one finally gets his opportunityto do that and so he does that.
And the team is not ready.
The date of the attack had tobe pushed up because the target
was going to be operationalsooner than they thought and the

(26:35):
timeframe with which they hadto attack the target has been
shrunk down and nobody's beenable to hit that timeframe, you
know.
So, yeah, yeah, they're noteven close.
So you know, at that point, ifthey can't do it in the
timeframe that needs to be, it'sbasically a suicide run.
A suicide run, yeah, they mightcomplete the mission, but you

(26:58):
know people aren't coming backfrom it.
Nobody is.
So you know he ends up having aheart to heart with Penny,
jennifer Connelly's character,and you know she tells him you
know you'll find a way to getback in, you know, because he's
mainly concerned about his team.

(27:19):
It's not him.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Because they're going to be bringing home some body
bags and they might get themission, and that's one of the
miracles.
There's two miracles of this.
It's like you got to do thisand you got to do that, and
those are both miracles.
To be able to do that and thento be able to survive on top of
that, I mean that's even furthermiracle.
And this was no one was comingback if they weren't able to do

(27:44):
the prerequisites of what had tohappen.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, I mean, you know it's just part of it.
Hitting the target is one thing.
Another thing is bringingpeople home, and that's a point
they hit on at a certain pointearlier in the film where
Maverick is talking to thegenerals and he's like you know,
we hit that target and thenbring them home and nobody says

(28:08):
anything.
He goes and bring them home,sir, and so it's.
You know, with anyone in themilitary, with fighter pilots,
infantry, you know people whoare on front lines of issues,
it's understood that you knowthere's an inherent danger in
the job you're doing and you maybe asked to do something that

(28:30):
does amount to a suicide mission.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
That comes with the title and that comes with what
you sign up for.
Unfortunately, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
So you know that in the movie isn't just Hollywood
lip service, you know.
Again, as we often do here,straying off from the original
point, you know one that stickswith me, just to illustrate you
know why something like that isin there, and you know it's not
just to give weight, but it is,you know, not something.

(28:59):
These days that happens a lot,but during the attacks on 9-11,
there were two pilots that werescrambled since it was such a
surprise attack.
These planes, when they're onthe airfields in the States, are

(29:19):
not armed with missiles guns.
They don't keep them armed forsecurity reasons, so it takes
time to load armament on thesevehicles.
They had to scramble fighterjets to look for I believe it
was Flight 93 that ultimatelycrashed in Pennsylvania and

(29:43):
these they launched two fighterpilots and I don't remember
their names, and it's bad that Idon't, but look it up because
it's just a story that is justto me unbelievable that you know
that people literally put theirlives on the line.
They had to get the planes up.

(30:05):
They didn't have time to loadthe armament on them and they
sent them out to look for Flight93 with the order to either,
you know, force it down or, toyou know, make sure it didn't
get to DC.
Basically bring the plane down.
Well, how do you do that?
How do you do that withoutweaponry?

(30:25):
Well, the orders were one planewas to hit 93 in the front and
one was to hit it in the back.
Basically, ram it yeah andbring it down, or ram them yeah,
and it absolutely is a reallast resort.
You know those pilots went upthere knowing.

(30:45):
You know, this is what I signedup for, you know so.
Right has to do it Right, andyou know to be in that position.
Not only is it your life in yourhands, but there's families on
that plane that you're about totake down to save other lives.
You know it's just some ofthese pressures that these men
and women in the armed forcesand I'm not talking about the

(31:07):
movie, but in the armed forcesyou know some of these decisions
that are made, and a lot oftimes made by people not in
these, you know, fighting theactual fight, but by other
people or just without gettingpolitical it's.
You know there's a lot ofpeople that put their life on
the line.
You know daily, you know, atthe request of others or orders

(31:28):
of others.
So when that in the film isshown, I mean that yes, it's a
movie, but I mean that's notsomething that is Hollywooded up
.
You know it's not something.
You know to where you're askedto go ahead.
And you know, I think the linein it was you know.
You know they know the risks ofbeing a military fighter pilot.

(31:50):
So the Maverick, more thananything wants to bring that
crew home, you know, wants tocomplete the mission.
But the mission isn't completeuntil everybody's back.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
And especially because of Rooster and the
legacy that he is living.
And so if he's the one thatgoes up there, then Goose has
gone forever, right, and so he.
I mean he's even closer.
He thinks of that guy as hisresponsibility, his son, because

(32:23):
of what he did for with Goose,and so for him to be able to do
something like that to try toprotect him, he has a vested
interest to be able to make surethat they come back, and in
above ground way, yeah,definitely.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
And and it's talked about in the film, where the
promises he made to Rooster'smom, yeah, you know how.
You know.
A secondary plot point is itwasn't just Goose's death that
caused friction between Roosterand Maverick, which we didn't
really touch on in the podcast.
We jumped around, but you knowthere was a, there was a

(33:06):
friction between those two andyou just automatically assumed
it was because Goose died onMaverick's watch, which it
really, you know, is as much ofa quote unquote Maverick as he
was.
It really wasn't his fault.
What happened, you know it wassomething that he couldn't
control and you automaticallyassume that the friction.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
The military saw that , yeah.
Then they said that he didnothing wrong, he had no control
over it, and so he was resolvedof any wrongdoing.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, In the military legalize.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Right and so so, as but his son doesn't know that.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
And he doesn't feel that way.
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, and Rooster doesn't.
You know, you just assumeautomatically that's where all
the friction comes from.
But Maverick beats himself upabout it.
You know, you, just you see it.
You know in the photos that hecarries and whatnot.
But the the real point ofcontention was his mother
Rooster's mother did not wanther son in harm's way, right,

(34:17):
and so His father, yeah, and hepromised her that he would keep
him safe.
And the way he did it was bywhat they call in the film,
pulling his papers.
Of course, yeah.
So, basically, you knowsabotaging his career to keep
him out of harm's way, and sothat's the reason that you know

(34:43):
a big part of the reason thatthere's a friction between the
characters, and so Maverick hasa choice to make when it comes
down to, you know, getting backinto into the mission of
training those pilots.
You know he essentially is as Isay, steals an aircraft and

(35:06):
runs the course and does it 30seconds faster than need be.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
How it is supposed to be done.
And how and faster, yeah,faster, and in one of those
things that you know the proofis in the pudding and you could
be talking about it the wholetime, but if it's all talk until
somebody actually does it, andso that gave them the confidence
to be able to be like, oh, thisis actually something that can

(35:36):
be done, and the one person thatcan do it is this old captain.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, that's teaching us.
So now they have the ability togo ahead, and so he has to be
brought back on.
Yep.
And and and Cyclone the admiral,he knows it, so he brings it
back on.
Except now he wants him to leadthe team.
He sees his value and how theothers look at him and knows the
importance.
So now he has to pick his teamand of that, as his wingman, he

(36:05):
picks Rooster.
So he takes everything you knowthat he's tried to do over the
last 30 years of keeping thiskid safe and puts him right in
danger, but on his, on his wing,so he can watch over him as
best he can.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
As close as he can, he put that egg in the basket.
Yeah, and I'm gonna watch overthis.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yep, and I think it's pretty safe to say that they
make it to where, on paper,there was probably some
questions about why it would beRooster as a wingman, because of
his flying style and and notbeing the fastest pilot out
there in a mission, that wherespeed is paramount.

(36:49):
So you know, yeah, this iswhere the movie it really, you
know it almost has two endings.
You know, when I saw it in thetheater, you know, and you go
and you hit the mission and youknow the mission success flying

(37:13):
around and then all hell breaksloose with all these surface air
missiles.
And there's a brilliant shotwhere there's all the radio
traffic and there are thefighter jets coming and the
fighter jets going every whichway and there's all these
surface to air missiles smoketrailing around.
That shot is.
I love that shot because itjust with with the radio traffic

(37:35):
and everything, you're just youfeel the chaos and the pressure
of what's going on.
That's exactly what it is chaos.
Life and death chaos.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
It is.
It is a dogfight, Yep, and youdon't know whose mouth is biting
who, and you see it everywhereand you're just trying to cover
your ass as best you can, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
And you know, with the, the defense measures that
those planes carry, they'relimited.
It's not a video game.
You don't get unlimited.
You know those, the flares thatsave you from those missiles
are, you know they are finite.
Yeah, and you do get that pointin the movie where there's
where Maverick basicallysacrifices himself to go ahead

(38:21):
and protect Rooster, and and soyou know, the big buildup to the
, to the end of the movie, isthis mission.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Well, that ain't the end after that mission, you know
before we get into that did youthink that Maverick died when
that?

Speaker 1 (38:40):
happened.
It definitely crossed my mind,you know.
But you know there was, I was50, 50.
I was 50, 50 because it's it'sa Tom Cruise movie.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, it just.
But what to go out?
I mean passing off the to thenext one.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
It.
It was a fantastic shot too.
I mean the way that that hewent right up behind there.
It was like they only I couldthink of, like guardian angel
style yeah.
You know what I mean.
Where he just like it wasphenomenal the flares going off
and you know he eats one.
So I'm saying that that was CGI.
But then you get that you getthat almost a tonal shift in the

(39:27):
film, right there after thathappens Turns into a buddy
comedy.
It's so good.
It's so good because it's youknow, you're on the edge of your
seat with this, this mission.
I mean just like whiteknuckling this thing.
Yeah.
And then, yeah, it's like youknow you get some humor in there
and whatnot and it just works,you know, cause it kind of lifts

(39:51):
the pressure off a little bitand you know, you just get to,
you're with them down there,like you know what's the plan.
We're just making it up as wego and and I remember leaning
over and saying F14.
Yes, Because I remembered itfrom the Yep, so you know to see

(40:13):
that playing back in action inthere.
It was fantastic the way theyfilmed all that the rescues, the
near deaths in that part andthe humor and the comedy.
It just it all worked so well.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
I don't know, this is a PG 13 movie and they they
used their 1F bomb.
They used it very well.
Uh-huh, yep, and it seemed likea genuine reaction.
I know, I know you can see that, but I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
No, you could in the eyes.
When I watch that again, I seehis eyes and the way he spins
around rooster.
When that, when that plane yeah, it basically hits the brakes
in the air and does a U turn,yeah, it looks like it washed
itself out.
Yeah, what the?
What the F was that yeah.
So, good.

(41:12):
It was well worth it.
Oh yep Yep.
Well placed, well done, youknow.
So everybody gets their momenttoo.
Hangman, who wasn't selected aspart of the team because he
just couldn't function well in ateam environment.
Yeah.
Ends up getting his his heromoment.
Yep, you know.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
It would play as well .
That's another one for him.
He's not an ace, but he's gotone more Meg.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yep, yeah, so good with, and you know, the entrance
again you get that that boom,kind of that gong after he hits,
he takes down that, thatfighter, and then comes through
the smoke.
Yeah, so well done with thesound.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Yeah, you think there's going to be some Oscars
for this?
Right, there's got to be some.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Sound design, the mixing, especially with that
number of of how much footagethey they had.
Yeah, they're going to havesome of the technical Oscars for
sure, but I would love to seesome for best film.
I mean it's the best film ofthe year for sure in my eyes,
yeah, no it was Jake.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
It's been a long time since I've like I got to get
back to the theater like thenext day and watch this again.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
How cool was that?
I mean, you're a kid again.
Right you are, it's 86.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, the first, the first movie that I that I was
able to do that at, I rememberwas 1984 and it was Ghostbusters
.
I saw Ghostbusters two days ina row.
It was the first time I wasever able to do that and and
just marveled at it.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Love it so much yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
But you know you get into that where you know they
end up making it back after somesome other setbacks onto the
carrier and there's, there's alittle more fan service.
It buzzes the tower they don'tcall it out that way, no, but
anybody who's a fan of it knowsexactly and you felt it coming.
But if you know, you knowExactly, exactly and it it felt

(43:20):
so good and well placed rightthere, not overused, yeah, then
you get into the.
You know the.
You know it gets me every time.
It gets me every time I see it.
You know where he's going tocry folks, yeah, yeah, it gets
me almost every time I watch it.
It does when you know they havethat moment Rooster and and

(43:42):
Maverick in, you know, in theintimate territory where he's
like he goes I saved your life.
You know what.
What are you doing here?
I saved your life.
You know I saved your life, sothat you yeah, so they're going
back and forth about that andyou know back on the carrier,
you get that to where Mavericktells Rooster, thank you for

(44:02):
saving my life, and then Roostersays it's what my dad would
have done.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
So good that was so good, so good.
Right back to that so good.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
You know, and that's, that's the whole movie.
Yeah, you know, right there,you know, you know Maverick
coming to terms with andactually realizing it wasn't him
that had to do it all.
You know, he he was.
He was able to go ahead andtrust Rooster someone else, and
then it happened to be Roosterwas just even more.
You know, I mean that there wasa bridge built at that point

(44:35):
and it it.
It really, you know, broughtthe whole movie right to that
point and it was.
It was so well done.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah, I hit you in the feels.
It really lets you know thatthere's.
It's great to be able to trusthim, because he hasn't been able
to trust anybody since GooseEven himself.
Oh yeah, yeah.
And so I mean he had that likeToy Story 3 moment where they
just accepted their fate.

(45:03):
Like he accepted his fate, andit was like Lieutenant Dan and
Forest Gunfrey he's like, yeah,you cheated me.
Yep, he did me out of the deaththat I saw coming and knew was
going to happen.
Yeah, so it was almost likethat moment for for Maverick,
but he lives to see another dayand a better day.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, and, and, and.
You saw it too.
When roosters saved him andshot down that helicopter, you
saw, the look on Maverick's faceis like no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
You know cause he knew who it was, he was yeah,
and, and you know, Lucky us wegot to see the, the patented Tom
Cruise sprint.
Yes, yep, oh yes, in fullfighter pilot gear In snow.
Yes, this and move, yep, heloves showing it off.
Well, he's the best at it, thebest, the best.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
He is the best Tom Cruise runner ever.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Well, it can make or break careers, you're right.
Yeah, no, it's great, well,could not do it Right?

Speaker 1 (46:06):
You are Again the stuff.
Like you know and I assumethere's a few people or a few of
the people listening to thisthat that understand us when
we're saying, picking out stufflike that you mentioned Tom
Cruise is the best franticrunner ever.
I've never heard it describedthat way, but that's exactly
what it is.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
I learned that by watching the firm yes, yes, feed
up the Quaker.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Oatsman Yep Yep.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
And then he was just running in those dress shoes,
yep, like I mean his hair was onfire, and so after that I
really started to pay attention.
And he does it so well in theMission Impossibles.
I mean it's it's gotta be inhis contract, just like Brad, he
has to run.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
When I'm glad he does , because he does do it well.
Whatever, I'm glad they both dothat and he dialed it up a bit
because, like you said, he wasdoing it in snow.
Yeah, yeah, so all gear, yeah.
And again, just an example ofTom Cruise, the movie star.
Tom Cruise, just you know, 110%all the time.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yeah, and even with the run he'd break in his ankle
in the Mission Impossible.
I mean he breaks it and thenhas to run on his broken ankle
to get out of the frame for theshot.
And he did it.
It's that that's an immediatestop.
Any other time, I mean evenJackie Chan stopped when he
broke his ankle jumping frombuilding to building but Tom

(47:49):
Cruise kept going because he hadto clear the shot so they could
.
It was a usable piece offootage.
To run on a broken ankle out ofthe screen, yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, well, that's what you mean.
He goes back to your gladiatorstatement that you know there's
this guy just leaving it all outthere.
You know, like, what he does inhis personal life, or not?
Yeah, he just lives to makefilm.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, as a professional as a professional.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
The guy is second to none with what he puts, what he
leaves on the screen.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, and and totally respectful of the people and
the team that are doing that andsetting the guidelines, because
there is I mean, TMZ has someoutburst of Tom Cruise on set or
yelling at people or thingslike that.
One of them was before top gun.
He's like this the people arewatching what we are doing

(48:43):
because we're shooting throughthis COVID and if we fail, that
could be the entire industry isfailing with us.
So we have to do the standards,we have to wear the mask, we
have to do all these things andhave this be successful,
Otherwise this entire thetheaters, the, the studios, all

(49:04):
these things come crashing downbecause they're watching us.
Do this Right and with thatresponsibility, we have to take
it serious and we have to do thethings that we have to do Now,
the things we want to do, thethings that we have to do for
for everybody else, not just us.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yep, and and if you don't, you're gone and you're
out the door.
Yeah, no matter who you are.
Yep, and it's, it's a you knowthere's.
It's more of a serviceableoutput outburst right, could
have been handled better maybe,but it was probably heat at the
moment.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
And, but in a different way, different results
.
Yeah you're right as I know.
I know these are the rules,whatever I mean.
Somebody comes at you like thatand don't don't say that you're
out, your job is on the line.
Oh, it's me Smitty, you knowit's cool.
I'm just out here having asmoke.
It's no big deal.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yep, yeah, a total different outburst than you see,
with maybe the Christianbailout burst for the boom mic
being shot for the lights,something like that.
Good for you.
A classic outburst.
Yep, yeah, I remember that one.
I think that was on the set ofTerminator, wasn't it?

(50:21):
Was it?
Yeah, no salvation for that one.
No, that was something else.
It would have been better ifhe'd have done it Patrick
Bateman style.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Oh yeah, that was a more calm way of talking about
it.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
One of the most disturbing movies I've ever seen
.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yes, this is a raincoat and this is an ass God.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
And Phil Collins playing in the background.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
The studio.
What favorites God?
Oh geez, that was directed by afemale, by the way.
So a lot of people talk abouthow violent things are from the
male perspective.
That was done by a female.
The.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
American psycho was, and that's exactly what that
film I mean.
A truer title could never havebeen.
Oh for sure, Aside from thefact that Christian Bales not
American, but his character was.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
They do American better than some Americans.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah, no, that yeah.
The Patrick Bateman is one ofthe great psychopaths of all
time.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, he's way up there and I can't put many other
fictional psychos like himother than psycho.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Oh yeah, Um, that's that scene in there with the
business cards.
Oh yeah, it's so good.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
You know what that is ?
That's Bump.
Oh my God, Business card isbetter than mine.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Yep, love that scene.
Um, but, yeah, outburst aside,you know, top Gun, one of the
things we haven't even gotteninto is a way, um, aside from
just describing the opening ofthe movies, the way that the
music's used, yeah, you know,with Harold Fultemeyer's

(52:14):
original score is fused in withHans Zimmer, one of the things
that the score was brought inand you know, as a frequent
subject of this podcast, you'llnotice that you have Lady Gaga
with a score credit, love it.
So you know, not just, um, uh,withhold my hand the theme from

(52:40):
the film as Tom Cruise describedit as the heart of the film.
He said he was looking for asong for a long time.
They couldn't really findanything and, um, he was sent
that and, you know, decided thatthat was it.
But she actually has a scorecredit.
Uh, worked closely with HansZimmer on the score.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
So, um, you know that just, yeah, one of those things
with once the song and she wasa part of that.
I mean I mean you, you knowLady Gaga, I mean we've covered
a little bit, uh, so so for herto have that, and then Hans
Zimmer hearing that and like,well, we can use that in the

(53:25):
score and the different scenesbefore, so you can, once you
know the song and hear it.
You can hear it throughout themovie, mm, hmm, and Tom Cruise.
So being able to wield that andhave that underlying the whole
time is also another thing thatgives a strong connection and
and and bonds there.

(53:46):
The Jennifer Connelly and TomCruise and that, and I thought I
thought they had greatchemistry and good timing and
they've been pros since theywere kids for years and this is
the first movie they got to dotogether.
Yeah, so that was you hear that.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, no, they, they.
Their chemistry was wasphenomenal, Uh, incredible.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Yeah, she so good, yeah, and hair and the fashion
and everything.
And I did notice that Penny wasdriving a Porsche.
And, uh, the same thing withCharlie.
She was driving a Porsche too.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yep, there's some similarities there, yeah
absolutely, um, you know, goinguh I don't know if I told you
this when I was out in uh, lasVegas and at the end of April,
beginning of May, and I didcatch uh, Lady Gaga's Jazz and
Piano show out there it was twodays before Hold my Hand was

(54:46):
released, oh, really, and it washer last jazz and P, her last
show in Vegas, uh, before shewas going to hit the do the
chromatic ball tour.
Yeah, and I didn't know it atthe time, but I saw afterwards
on Instagram Tom Cruise wasthere, oh, at the show.
Yeah, she posted a picture withhim backstage.

(55:08):
Yeah, I didn't know it.
Wow.
Yeah, so that was uh, that waspretty cool.
I wish I'd have known it, but Icould have gone up there and
got laid out by his security.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
And what a story, or maybe, himself.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Maybe he would have punched me out.
You know he likes doing that,that action work himself.
Why would you do?
That.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
So he sprayed water on it.
Why?
Would you do?
That.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Oh, but uh yeah, it's just everything, so that's fun.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
I mean, I mean you're , you got quite some charisma
going on there, so you couldhave been buddy buddy with them,
or laid out, or laid out.
Either way it's a story, it isdefinitely a story and I I would
love to hear that.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
But yeah, the the, the whole, the whole film.
It could have went fromsomething that was just, uh, the
cash grab route to the superserious route that was
overthought and just didn't work, didn't capture the spirit of
the original.
Um, you know again one of those, one of those lightning in a

(56:25):
bottles that were the sequel.
I don't know what.
You know my take on it.
What's your take?
Was it a better film, moreenjoyable than the first one?

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Well, I definitely saw it more in the theater this
time, um, and from myperspective, I, as, as an older
person, I've I've gone throughlike so many different films and
I've turned into kind of acramudgeon when it comes to
films these days I absolutelyloved it and loved the not only

(56:54):
the nostalgia but the new thingsthat they brought to it.
So, um, it's, it's tough for meto say that it was better than
the first one, just because ofthe deep roots that I have.
I mean, that was something thatI've I've probably watched over
a hundred times, um, but I'm,I'm, I'm climbing on this new
one up in the dozen area, um,but I would, I would have to say

(57:18):
that it it just upholds the topgun standard.
All right.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah, no, that's fair , that's fair.
Um, yeah, you, you to have thatto where there's no drop off.
And again, the ultra impressive36 year gap that it resonated
with a completely differentgeneration.
Yeah.
You know what I?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
mean, yeah, to be able to pull something like that
off, like you said, that'sunprecedented.
We haven't seen anything likethat before.
No, and I'm I'm struggling totry to find a comparison because
there isn't one.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
No, yeah, it just it's.
It's absolutely insane how wellthat worked.
Some deep-rooted, deep-meaningfilm.
But we all went in withexpectations and I think, for me
, when I see something like thisthat I enjoyed, I want to share

(58:18):
with my kids or friends thatmaybe aren't the Top Gun
aficionados that we are.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
You just hope you know, at least I do you just
hope that it's not a steamingpile, yes, and there was huge
expectations and for this toexceed those expectations from
all the fanboys out there thatlove the original Top Gun and
going in there with their armscrossed and just waiting for it

(58:55):
to mess up which we're so usedto do as armchair experts when
it comes to the Internet andseeing all these things and for
us to go in there ready just torip it apart because it's so
easy to do these days and it'sback into like kids that we were
so just looking at the positiveand for them to get our arms

(59:20):
uncross and to be welcoming itagain is a testament to all the
effort and the patience that ittook for them to so easily just
dump it into a streaming, getthe cash grab.
We got the mind that we did andwe're moving on, but to take the
responsibility of like no, thisis a tent pole movie that's

(59:44):
going to bring the industry backand to stay with it.
Just making a movie like thatand knowing how good it is or
what you feel, for two yearsbefore you release it I mean
just having that secret and nothaving being able to tell people
.
I couldn't imagine being ableto do that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
No, especially in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Hollywood, yeah, and just sitting there and and
everybody talking, talking crapabout it the whole time, we're
like, well, they're pushing itback because it's no good.
This is not a good sign.
The whole time, pushback,pushback, pushback.
We're like, well, if it's agood movie, you want to release
it as soon as possible.
That's something that I'mtaking away from is like that's

(01:00:24):
not always the case.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
No, this rewrote the rules right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Yeah, it knew the rules, and so did the enemy, and
we throw them right in thetrash.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
The yeah it.
You know what I take away fromit is it just as cliche and and
I promise I didn't write thisdown ahead of time, but it just
off the top of my head, you knowit makes me think is this is
one of those films where I Igenuinely what I love about the

(01:00:57):
movies.
Yes, you know what I mean.
Yeah.
I do I just, you know,absolutely you know, just being
in there with a crowd, theanticipation makes it even makes
it all the more worth sittingthrough the 35 minutes of
commercials and previews beforeyou get to the actual film.

(01:01:18):
Yeah.
But yeah, I just honestly, thelast time I had anywhere near
you know, when the creditstarted to roll, that the
feeling of this was maybeAvengers Endgame would have been

(01:01:39):
it, because I saw it openingnight with a packed theater.
Oh yeah.
You know what I mean.
So you had a lot of that, thatfeeling that you did here, which
exactly, exactly it was, justit was you could feel from that,
that crowd that was reallydiverse in in Top Gun you had

(01:02:05):
you know people, you know 60s,50s, all the way down to the
teenagers.
Yeah.
And when people applaud at amovie, especially when there's
nobody involved in the film inthe audience and they're never
going to hear that applause,that's when you know you have
something, because it's not,it's not something you just hand

(01:02:28):
out.
That is the most earnedapplause, I think, that can ever
be delivered, because there'snobody on the receiving end of
it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
That's absolutely true.
I mean, you know that they'renot going to hear it or see it,
but you just have to showappreciation for something so
well done and it makes me thinkwhen you're you're saying like,
think back to when somethinglike that happened.
There's two things that comesup One, you and Phantom Menace.
It couldn't be contained.

(01:02:59):
It was the same thing as justlike us going back to like it
was so excited that you can'tcontain yourself and me back
when I saw Rocky like the firsttime and you're done watching it
and you go run outside for noreason.
Yeah, you just run in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Which is interesting.
Can you say that because youknow you're who.
Who was a guy I called when Iwas running up the the the steps
in Philadelphia at the ArtMuseum?
Me, yes, yes, yeah, I mean itwas just one of those things
that I'm like hey, guess where Iam Showed you around, you know

(01:03:40):
Rocky steps.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Yeah, run up the steps.
Yep Ran him with me.
I felt like I was there withyou.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Yeah, I mean it was so great because you know again,
just, you know, the purpose forthis podcast is just to go
ahead and just relive some ofthis stuff and just talk about
these things.
That may not mean a lot toother people, but it's just an
escape and to go back to thosetimes where you remember seeing

(01:04:09):
these films or you remember aline from a movie, or you
remember this or that.
When I was in Philadelphia,there were a couple of places I
wanted to go.
One was the Art Museum to dothat, do the steps, and I wasn't
alone.
It was a crappy cold day inDecember and there were 50
people that were doing this.

(01:04:30):
Wow, just on it.
It was like a Thursday orsomething.
Yeah, you know.
Like four o'clock in theafternoon, yeah, it just affects
people.
Yeah, and I wanted to go to thediner.
From Silver Linings Playbook ohyeah.
Did they shot that?
Did you use some?
Rates.
Yeah, and at that diner I thinkI sent you those pictures
there's a little plaque at thebooth that that scene was shot

(01:04:55):
in.
So I did get to go ahead toboth, get to both of those
places.
But you know it's just a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
And that's what film.
That's exactly what it is.
It's a way to celebrate thesethings in our lives that a lot
of people have forgotten about.
And we live these mundane livesthat there's not much
excitement, especially during apandemic that we've been going

(01:05:22):
through.
We've just been beat up for twoyears straight of not being
able to do things, and then thiscomes along and it shakes our
cage and now we have this energyto be able to do something like
that, and I think this is anexample of that which has shaken
us out of our mundane lives andgives us the passion that we

(01:05:47):
once had before 100 percent, 100percent and anytime you can
connect with a film in any waythat goes ahead and just
resonates with you, that youdon't forget.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Because, as I've often said, you know, I think
the worst thing that a movie cando, even beyond being bad, is
being forgettable.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
To where it's just a.
You know, I think I saw thatmovie.
Or you leave and you're justkind of like you shrug your

(01:06:17):
shoulders and you're off back toyour life.
It didn't touch you, it didn'tmake you feel anything.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
No, and that with this movie this is the analogy
that I think of is the best hityou ever had in golf and it's
what brings you back.
Yeah, Like being in this movieis what brings me back and I
want to try to experience thisagain.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Exactly, and I'll tell you what else that it does.
It's so weird, is?
I do not want to see a thirdone.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
No, I don't either.
I mean, this is exactly how Iwould like it to end and I have
these experiences and I don'twant them to be soiled.
And a lot of times that happenswith a sequel that comes out,
it almost ruins the first one.
Yeah, so you're absolutelycorrect.
I didn't even think about that.
But when you're saying it andyou say a top gun, three rooster

(01:07:17):
, it makes me cringe.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Yeah, there's no way.
Even if Tom Cruise comes back,I don't want another one.
No, thank you, I ended soperfectly.
But you know, the money truckis filled.
Tom Cruise owns money, trucksRight, he doesn't need to do
this for money, right, and if heput it off for 36 years, I
don't think that he's in anyhuge hurry to have to do it
again.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
No, there's no way so .
I think people are long andthey're going to be throwing.
They're going to be kickingsome scripts his way for sure,
but I would hope that he wouldnot do something like that.
Like I said, this enough isenough and this is more than
enough.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
In a good way In a great way.
Yeah, yeah, so well, jake, I doappreciate your time, as always.
I know that you know at thetime we're recording this it's a
late one, but it's you know,for when we get into these film
discussions I always lovegetting your take on this

(01:08:20):
because I know as much of a fanI am from movies, from an
entertainment just strictly fanside.
I know that your knowledge ofwhat goes on and what it takes
to make the film is reallyvaluable and I appreciate the
input that you have because Imean, that's kind of my little

(01:08:41):
window into how things work onthe other side.
So I really appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Oh, of course, I love throwing it in your face as
much as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Well, glad you worked that in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
No, I always love talking films with you and being
able to catch up with you, andso, yeah, the time just breezes
by because we're just talkinghere and just telling it like we
feel, and so it's reallyappreciated that you asked me to
do this, because I love thismovie and I could tell that you
did as well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Yeah, well, yeah, thank you, and it won't be so
long before you're on again, ifyou, if you're so inclined.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Oh yeah, looking forward to it.
I got.
I got the goods.
Thanks a lot.
All right, Talk to you later.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
That is the last part of our epic three part
discussion on the film Top GunMaverick.
And, as you can see, I reallyenjoy talking films, music,
entertainment in general with mybuddies and it makes it really
easy to go and just relieve thestress of everyday life.
You just get lost in thingsthat that you enjoy and you can

(01:09:58):
have a discussion without theoutside interference of things
that may stress, stress us eachout.
You know, for some people it'spolitics, for some people it's
who knows?
But one thing that most of uscan agree on is that we like
entertainment, we like what welike and we happen to be big

(01:10:19):
fans, as I mentioned, of moviesand TV shows and just that kind
of entertainment in general.
So I really appreciate havingJake on and being able to go
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Now, as I mentioned at thebeginning of the show, I was
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