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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I mean it may it may not be the audience
that everybody wants, but there are people listening, and at some.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Point, you know, we just keep fucking plugging away.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Yeah yeah, and uh because I because I believe at
this point, you know, capitulating.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
God.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
God knows where it's going to go from here. I mean, I,
you know, I want to be positive, but I, like
you were saying, it's like when you have people that
are trying to normalize some really you know, bile stuff,
you know, and I think it's working.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
On some of the dummies too. They're like, well, you know,
it's like what, yeah, fucking sick bastards. I'll tell you what.
We'll just keep plugging away. I'll leave you with it.
I appreciate your time, man, It's always a great chat.
But oh yeah, yeah, and I apologize for not fucking
recognizing the octopus thing. I'm a little fucking slow, and
(00:53):
I think, what do I have to eat today? Like
half a bagel, some stale bagel, and I have so
far glass of water. It's almost like being in federal prison.
As far as I'm concerned, so far today mightus be
you know, we wouldn't get this much time in the
yard to talk. But so I'm a little but talking
(01:14):
about Joseph Daniel Cassillaro. I'll leave you with this. This
is crazy. I was just reading about it. Even at
his funeral, his family felt engulfed by mysteries. Listen to this.
This is fucking crazy. As the ceremony drew to a close,
(01:35):
a highly decorated, decorated military officer in US Army dress
arrived in a limousine, accompanied by another man in plane clothes.
The military man approached the coffin just before it was
lowered into the ground, laid a metal on the lid,
and saluted. They got back in the car. They left.
(01:56):
What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, I got to I have to pay somebody to
do that at my funeral. You know, I'm gonna have
I'm gonna have Bronco. He's gonna dress up and and something.
We'll put him in. We'll dress him up like John
Rambo just came back from Vietnam, and he'll put something
and just get in a limo and leave just a
little bit of intrigue to get everybody. It's crazy, man,
(02:26):
you know, it really is. Yeah. Yeah, And the poor bastard.
They fucking I you know when I when you when
I look at his death, Yeah, that actually could be
a suicide. They might have driven this motherfucker to death.
It's like, I can't figure. I'm so far. Like I said,
you're out and you harpooned a boat and it becomes
(02:46):
like you know Hemyway's story with the fish. Yeah, the
guy just won't fucking give up, and the fish won't
give up. Something's got to give the old man in
the sea, you know what I mean, This is like
the young This is like the young man in the sea.
He couldn't give it up. And finally he's like, oh,
(03:07):
I know a good way out. I mean, yeah, this
is what happens. Man. They fucking they twist you up. Man,
So young jerdon's have to protect themselves, can't. You're not
going to change the world ever, but you might be
able to change a few worlds, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah. Yeah, now it's it's a few people in world.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
M Yeah. Anyway, I apologize for not picking that up
right away, but hey, we got to call Maria with
the street shout out. That was fun.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, that worked. Yeah, it was starting to it would
it came to one of us, but we were in
the flow of things that you called her and figured
it out.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah. Well, listen, you tried to stay cool down. I
remember my time at the Air Marine Air Base and Yuma, Man,
and but humor was popping like one hundred and six
hundred and seven hundred and eight, not one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You know it is, yeah, I mean it just you know,
don't ever believe anybody when they tell you it's a
dry heat and all that.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's just that's the sound stuff. Man. You could crack
an egg on the sidewalk and watch it cook.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, you know, I
think it's like so many things. You know, you learn
to tolerate some of it. You know, you do acclimate.
I mean obviously, right, you got acclamate for the cold
and all that. But over the years, I you know,
I used to do you know, when I was younger,
let's say my mid to mostly in my forties probably
(04:43):
when I when I was doing it, but you know,
I did some hiking and I really got into hiking
locally here and then some other things. And so because
we would do that and usually on a Saturday or
was my thing. I had a buddy from church. We
would go out and so we'd go do a hike,
you know, four mile hike or five mile, six mile hikes,
(05:04):
seven mile something like that. It depends.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And we had it.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
You know, it's like in our backyard here right, we
could get on these trails. There were you know, urban
suburban type of trails that in reserves and stuff, and
you know, you go out and you get up really early.
We get to four four thirty in the morning, try
to get out before the heat starts, you know, try
to get back. Then we go stop, grab some breakfast.
It was nice, you know, it was something to do,
and it was hanging out another you know, buddy and
(05:27):
talking and stuff. But I had one running one time
and it just goes to show you and you read
about this stuff all the time. We went out on
a trail that we always had, well, very frequently we'd
go to so it was very familiar to us. And
that day we decided, let's go, let's try to go
up to the top of the summit. And well we
(05:51):
wound up get a little bit of a late start
and it was probably June or July, and we're coming
back and for the first time I'm after hiking like
this for you know, on and off for years. I
started to feel like I was not doing good and
we didn't have far to go. But I was like, whoa.
(06:13):
And then I asked my friend, who was older than me.
I said, I said, I said, how are you doing?
He's like, eh, I'm starting to feel a little off too.
And I said, okay, I go. We don't have too
much further to go. But then I could sense in
me like a little bit of panic kicking in, and
I'm going like, that's not good. That hasn't happened before.
(06:35):
And so we get to a point and I mean,
there's not a stitch of shape. So there's a kreosoke push,
like scraggly little kreosoke push, and some you know, other
weeds and shit growing and and I'm thinking like okay.
So my buddy's like he goes, he goes, I'm going
to stop here. And I go, okay, now we got
(06:55):
a fucking problem. He goes, I'll wait, he goes. I said,
I'm going to walk out to the trailhead and then
get down to the car, which was a considerable walk.
It was still you know, a mile or two and
so I got out of there, went back and got
my car and drove it up to the trailhead, and
(07:17):
which you couldn't normally do. I had to I had
to get like a like a gate there. I had
to ask for permission to get past the gate. Well
I got up there, and he managed to get a
little bit further along and whatever. But it was it
was a real close call. And that's what I was
going to say. So you know, uh, you know, when
it comes to like that heat and stuff, it can happen.
(07:39):
It happens real fast, uh, you know, and it makes
me think of you know, you'll read about it all
the time out here. You know, people coming from out
of town and they're like, oh, let's go for hike,
and next thing you know, they're getting helicopter out of
somewhere that they didn't make it. So yeah, that's a
real thing. And but I could just tell you that
(08:00):
even if I you know, if the reason people don't
acclimate to the heat out here is because they spend
so much time in the air conditioning and uh, but
you know, when it's when it's the over one hundred
degrees outside, I mean, and sunny out you can't. You
can't you know, how long can you stay out there?
I'm always amazed when you see the guys out here
(08:20):
working on roofs, people working on roads, you know, landscapers,
and and they're fully closed. They got long sleeves on,
long sleeve pants, hats, they got scarfs over the next
and you're thinking, like, how are they not overheating? But
they're actually they're actually, you know, know how to deal
with the heat. So anyway, I'm not not We don't
(08:40):
need to talk about the weather and the heat anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So I'll let you go.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Mike is good talking to you.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I appreciate me. Come on, you got me all off
the pushed up.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, I think there's a lot there because that was
I got. I got to rewatch that because I honestly,
there were so many little nuggets that they just over.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I don't think I want I don't think I watched this.
I got to watch it again. If I watched that, yeah,
I definitely don't think I watched. Man, you know, I
I take back. I'm going to take back what I
said about about suicide. Yeah, I will say that they
sold it pretty well. If he didn't kill himself, they
really sold it pretty well. And that makes me think
(09:22):
that because I was thinking as you were talking. I
was like, wait a minute, if there's pros involved, if
these people show up at his funeral and stuff like this,
and there's there's pros involved, well they would make it
look like they would sell it as a suicide, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah? Yeah, And I think like you said earlier, he
was like splashed like in like fifty places. Who hell
would kill themselves like that? Well, I mean, yeah, just advance,
it was like a bloody mat eventually.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah right, you only got.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
To do it one Yeah, I mean you know, yeah,
right right, you don't have to you know, uh uh
you know, cut like eighteen places on your body.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You know, there's no trial to check us out. This
is this This could be real like a rabbit hole,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well, the reason the reason I brought it up was
because as much as it has to do with him
chasing down and him getting murdered, as he goes along
this rabbit trail, he meets up with somebody that's clearly
involved in some you know, probably CIA or NSA or whatever,
and he's starting he starts to have meetings with this person,
(10:33):
and this person also has an apartment and somebody who's
pretending to be his wife, and he starts giving him
other bits of information, and so this guy doesn't. He
starts to think like, is this guy playing me or
is he being honest with me? But the thing that
caught my interest yet, the thing that caught my interest
about it was the way it starts out was there's
(10:54):
a guy that worked for the government who left the
government but still had very close ties and it was
the NSAY as I recall, and he was in software
development type stuff and uh, and so he had he
created a company and they developed the software. And it
made me think to you because it was it had
(11:15):
to do with looking at financial records and back doors, right,
and so the so he had caught a contract. I
mean this, I don't know if it was the I R.
S Or if it was treasury somebody was No, No,
it was a Department of Justice was using it. That's
what the want of them, right, And so Justice started
(11:37):
using it and then Justice yeah, yeah, promise, and then
Justice decided to steal it from and they did. They
successfully stole it from him. The judge. The judge said,
you're right, these guys tried to steal it from you,
and he passed that judgment and they were going to
get reimbursed for the lost you know, the lost revenue,
(11:58):
and then another judge comes in and change your administration
and undoes what the other judge did and they got screwed,
and then they took that software under justice, and it
just seems like it continues to you know, grow grow
out of that, right. So yeah, it's an interesting story,
it really is. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Good, Yeah, go check it out. I appreciate you, brother man.
Stay cool out there. Yeah, no, you know, hopefully everything
goes well and soon you'd be a grandpa. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, Well she's due around. They're staying around the first
week of October. So given how she's coming along here,
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a little bit earlier.
But so yeah, it's going to be a busy between
now and the end of September. It's going to be
kind of busy for us. But I always appreciate you
let me come on and talk, And just wanted to
(12:48):
shout out to a bunch of folks on there that
you know, uh, get on and we go back and forth.
I wanted to just say thank you for all that
and uh yeah you keep up the good work Ria
VM everybody and we'll we'll be listening. I got to
catch up on a couple of shows here, at least
today's show, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well you won't have you won't have to catch up
to tomorrow's show.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
No, that's a good time. That's true, that's true. Yeah, yeah,
take care of your your body there so.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I'm working on it. Work in progress, all right, all right, all.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Right, if you ever need anything, I told you, you know,
give me a ring, all.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Right, appreciate you, man, talk to you all right, you
take care of carry on that.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Way you want sign there will be this man you
are done.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
They re had to race.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Don't you cry?
Speaker 6 (13:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Once I rose about the noise and confusion, just to
get against be.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
God, this lousion. I was sorry, never higher.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Bad.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I didn't see a still doesn't bin man? No, bye,
didn't think a still was a man?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Man? My he was this way a pre made.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I can do the inside Ryan Llys, God, they got beasy.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Don't you cry?
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Knowlest rating as a man when the reason lest your
radsly be man?
Speaker 6 (15:40):
The season?
Speaker 8 (15:41):
And if I claim to be a wise man.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
It sure to me that I don't know.
Speaker 9 (15:49):
On the stormy sea of moving emotion, talking about him.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Like a shame on the oltion a second wing to
fortune univers Don't you cry no more.
Speaker 10 (16:23):
Speaks quest, quot speak, first speak, let's steps speaks.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Reason.
Speaker 11 (17:41):
Don't you.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Use are.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
To be?
Speaker 9 (19:03):
Je was born in the summer on his twenty seventh year,
coming home to the place he'd never been before.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
He left yesterday five.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Might say he's born again, might say he found the
key for every door.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
When he first came.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
To the bathrooms.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
His life far away on the lord hanging by stall.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
But the strings already broken.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
Then he doesn't really care to keep change fast if
it don't last long. With the Colorado knock you bout live,
I've seen anyway at five in the sky, shadow from
(20:04):
the Starlin and sautter than a lot.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Of Rocky bout Pie, Rocky.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Bout Pie.
Speaker 11 (20:22):
Of Maco.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
He climbed to feed the mountain.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
He saw silver clouds below.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
He saw everything as far as you can see, and
he said he got crazy. He wants saying he tried
to touch the sun and he lost a friend kept
the memory. Now he walks in quiet solitude, the forests
(20:52):
and the streams, singing rays, and every steppy day.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
It side has turned.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
Inside himself to try and understand the.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
Serenity of the clear new mountainlay the floridor rocking bout.
I've seen it rain five s guy off did of the.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Sent the cause you walk.
Speaker 12 (21:28):
And rocking out, Pie rocking back, Pie rock Now his
life is full.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Of wonder at his heart is still those fear of
the simple thing cannot proprehend.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
Why they try to tear the mountain down.
Speaker 9 (22:00):
And bringing bumble board more people or scars upon the land.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
The Plorado Rocky mountain lie. I've seen it, rating five sky,
no heed, be people or mad if you never.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Saw this.
Speaker 12 (22:30):
Rocking up, Frida rocking out.
Speaker 13 (22:40):
I've seen it rain fire and the sky friends around
the camp fire.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
That body is.
Speaker 14 (22:55):
Rocking up, rocky back, rocky back, rocky back, rocky.
Speaker 11 (23:19):
Back, rocky back, Almost Heaven.
Speaker 15 (23:44):
West Virginia, Blue Ridge Mountains channing.
Speaker 13 (23:50):
The river.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
Life is old and older than the trees underland. The
mountains grow in lack reeds. Country Road.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Take me home.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
To the place hide, West Virginia.
Speaker 11 (24:19):
Mountain, Mama, take me home.
Speaker 15 (24:25):
Country Road. All my limp reeds together around her mother's ladies.
Stranger to blue water, dark and dusty. Feed it on
(24:46):
the sky, misty, taste the boom.
Speaker 16 (24:50):
Shine, tear dropping my mind, Country Road, Take me home.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
To the play.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I'll be Love's Virginiard.
Speaker 16 (25:07):
About Mama, Take me home, Country Road, I gave her
voice in the morning.
Speaker 9 (25:20):
As she calls me, radio reminds me of my home
farther away.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
Driving down the road, I get off, feeding that I
should have been home yesterday, yesterday, Country Road.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Take me home.
Speaker 8 (25:45):
To the place. I'll love.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
West Virginiard.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
About Mama, Take me home, Country Roll, Country Roll.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
To take off.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
To the play is happy.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Let's Chinabama.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Think all.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
Country Roll, think it contr Roll.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Take Country Roll,
I mean it may it may not be the audience
that everybody wants, but there are people listening, and at some.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Point, you know, we just keep fucking plugging away.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Yeah yeah, and uh because I because I believe at
this point, you know, capitulating.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
God.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
God knows where it's going to go from here. I mean, I,
you know, I want to be positive, but I, like
you were saying, it's like when you have people that
are trying to normalize some really you know, bile stuff,
you know, and I think it's working.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
On some of the dummies too. They're like, well, you know,
it's like what, yeah, fucking sick bastards. I'll tell you what.
We'll just keep plugging away. I'll leave you with it.
I appreciate your time, man, It's always a great chat.
But oh yeah, yeah, and I apologize for not fucking
recognizing the octopus thing. I'm a little fucking slow, and
(00:53):
I think, what do I have to eat today? Like
half a bagel, some stale bagel, and I have so
far glass of water. It's almost like being in federal prison.
As far as I'm concerned, so far today mightus be
you know, we wouldn't get this much time in the
yard to talk. But so I'm a little but talking
(01:14):
about Joseph Daniel Cassillaro. I'll leave you with this. This
is crazy. I was just reading about it. Even at
his funeral, his family felt engulfed by mysteries. Listen to this.
This is fucking crazy. As the ceremony drew to a close,
(01:35):
a highly decorated, decorated military officer in US Army dress
arrived in a limousine, accompanied by another man in plane clothes.
The military man approached the coffin just before it was
lowered into the ground, laid a metal on the lid,
and saluted. They got back in the car. They left.
(01:56):
What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, I got to I have to pay somebody to
do that at my funeral. You know, I'm gonna have
I'm gonna have Bronco. He's gonna dress up and and something.
We'll put him in. We'll dress him up like John
Rambo just came back from Vietnam, and he'll put something
and just get in a limo and leave just a
little bit of intrigue to get everybody. It's crazy, man,
(02:26):
you know, it really is. Yeah. Yeah, And the poor bastard.
They fucking I you know when I when you when
I look at his death, Yeah, that actually could be
a suicide. They might have driven this motherfucker to death.
It's like, I can't figure. I'm so far. Like I said,
you're out and you harpooned a boat and it becomes
(02:46):
like you know Hemyway's story with the fish. Yeah, the
guy just won't fucking give up, and the fish won't
give up. Something's got to give the old man in
the sea, you know what I mean, This is like
the young This is like the young man in the sea.
He couldn't give it up. And finally he's like, oh,
(03:07):
I know a good way out. I mean, yeah, this
is what happens. Man. They fucking they twist you up. Man,
So young jerdon's have to protect themselves, can't. You're not
going to change the world ever, but you might be
able to change a few worlds, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah. Yeah, now it's it's a few people in world.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
M Yeah. Anyway, I apologize for not picking that up
right away, but hey, we got to call Maria with
the street shout out. That was fun.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, that worked. Yeah, it was starting to it would
it came to one of us, but we were in
the flow of things that you called her and figured
it out.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah. Well, listen, you tried to stay cool down. I
remember my time at the Air Marine Air Base and Yuma, Man,
and but humor was popping like one hundred and six
hundred and seven hundred and eight, not one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You know it is, yeah, I mean it just you know,
don't ever believe anybody when they tell you it's a
dry heat and all that.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's just that's the sound stuff. Man. You could crack
an egg on the sidewalk and watch it cook.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, you know, I
think it's like so many things. You know, you learn
to tolerate some of it. You know, you do acclimate.
I mean obviously, right, you got acclamate for the cold
and all that. But over the years, I you know,
I used to do you know, when I was younger,
let's say my mid to mostly in my forties probably
(04:43):
when I when I was doing it, but you know,
I did some hiking and I really got into hiking
locally here and then some other things. And so because
we would do that and usually on a Saturday or
was my thing. I had a buddy from church. We
would go out and so we'd go do a hike,
you know, four mile hike or five mile, six mile hikes,
(05:04):
seven mile something like that. It depends.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And we had it.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
You know, it's like in our backyard here right, we
could get on these trails. There were you know, urban
suburban type of trails that in reserves and stuff, and
you know, you go out and you get up really early.
We get to four four thirty in the morning, try
to get out before the heat starts, you know, try
to get back. Then we go stop, grab some breakfast.
It was nice, you know, it was something to do,
and it was hanging out another you know, buddy and
(05:27):
talking and stuff. But I had one running one time
and it just goes to show you and you read
about this stuff all the time. We went out on
a trail that we always had, well, very frequently we'd
go to so it was very familiar to us. And
that day we decided, let's go, let's try to go
up to the top of the summit. And well we
(05:51):
wound up get a little bit of a late start
and it was probably June or July, and we're coming
back and for the first time I'm after hiking like
this for you know, on and off for years. I
started to feel like I was not doing good and
we didn't have far to go. But I was like, whoa.
(06:13):
And then I asked my friend, who was older than me.
I said, I said, I said, how are you doing?
He's like, eh, I'm starting to feel a little off too.
And I said, okay, I go. We don't have too
much further to go. But then I could sense in
me like a little bit of panic kicking in, and
I'm going like, that's not good. That hasn't happened before.
(06:35):
And so we get to a point and I mean,
there's not a stitch of shape. So there's a kreosoke push,
like scraggly little kreosoke push, and some you know, other
weeds and shit growing and and I'm thinking like okay.
So my buddy's like he goes, he goes, I'm going
to stop here. And I go, okay, now we got
(06:55):
a fucking problem. He goes, I'll wait, he goes. I said,
I'm going to walk out to the trailhead and then
get down to the car, which was a considerable walk.
It was still you know, a mile or two and
so I got out of there, went back and got
my car and drove it up to the trailhead, and
(07:17):
which you couldn't normally do. I had to I had
to get like a like a gate there. I had
to ask for permission to get past the gate. Well
I got up there, and he managed to get a
little bit further along and whatever. But it was it
was a real close call. And that's what I was
going to say. So you know, uh, you know, when
it comes to like that heat and stuff, it can happen.
(07:39):
It happens real fast, uh, you know, and it makes
me think of you know, you'll read about it all
the time out here. You know, people coming from out
of town and they're like, oh, let's go for hike,
and next thing you know, they're getting helicopter out of
somewhere that they didn't make it. So yeah, that's a
real thing. And but I could just tell you that
(08:00):
even if I you know, if the reason people don't
acclimate to the heat out here is because they spend
so much time in the air conditioning and uh, but
you know, when it's when it's the over one hundred
degrees outside, I mean, and sunny out you can't. You
can't you know, how long can you stay out there?
I'm always amazed when you see the guys out here
(08:20):
working on roofs, people working on roads, you know, landscapers,
and and they're fully closed. They got long sleeves on,
long sleeve pants, hats, they got scarfs over the next
and you're thinking, like, how are they not overheating? But
they're actually they're actually, you know, know how to deal
with the heat. So anyway, I'm not not We don't
(08:40):
need to talk about the weather and the heat anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So I'll let you go.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Mike is good talking to you.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I appreciate me. Come on, you got me all off
the pushed up.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, I think there's a lot there because that was
I got. I got to rewatch that because I honestly,
there were so many little nuggets that they just over.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I don't think I want I don't think I watched this.
I got to watch it again. If I watched that, yeah,
I definitely don't think I watched. Man, you know, I
I take back. I'm going to take back what I
said about about suicide. Yeah, I will say that they
sold it pretty well. If he didn't kill himself, they
really sold it pretty well. And that makes me think
(09:22):
that because I was thinking as you were talking. I
was like, wait a minute, if there's pros involved, if
these people show up at his funeral and stuff like this,
and there's there's pros involved, well they would make it
look like they would sell it as a suicide, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah? Yeah, And I think like you said earlier, he
was like splashed like in like fifty places. Who hell
would kill themselves like that? Well, I mean, yeah, just advance,
it was like a bloody mat eventually.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah right, you only got.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
To do it one Yeah, I mean you know, yeah,
right right, you don't have to you know, uh uh
you know, cut like eighteen places on your body.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You know, there's no trial to check us out. This
is this This could be real like a rabbit hole,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well, the reason the reason I brought it up was
because as much as it has to do with him
chasing down and him getting murdered, as he goes along
this rabbit trail, he meets up with somebody that's clearly
involved in some you know, probably CIA or NSA or whatever,
and he's starting he starts to have meetings with this person,
(10:33):
and this person also has an apartment and somebody who's
pretending to be his wife, and he starts giving him
other bits of information, and so this guy doesn't. He
starts to think like, is this guy playing me or
is he being honest with me? But the thing that
caught my interest yet, the thing that caught my interest
about it was the way it starts out was there's
(10:54):
a guy that worked for the government who left the
government but still had very close ties and it was
the NSAY as I recall, and he was in software
development type stuff and uh, and so he had he
created a company and they developed the software. And it
made me think to you because it was it had
(11:15):
to do with looking at financial records and back doors, right,
and so the so he had caught a contract. I
mean this, I don't know if it was the I R.
S Or if it was treasury somebody was No, No,
it was a Department of Justice was using it. That's
what the want of them, right, And so Justice started
(11:37):
using it and then Justice yeah, yeah, promise, and then
Justice decided to steal it from and they did. They
successfully stole it from him. The judge. The judge said,
you're right, these guys tried to steal it from you,
and he passed that judgment and they were going to
get reimbursed for the lost you know, the lost revenue,
(11:58):
and then another judge comes in and change your administration
and undoes what the other judge did and they got screwed,
and then they took that software under justice, and it
just seems like it continues to you know, grow grow
out of that, right. So yeah, it's an interesting story,
it really is. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Good, Yeah, go check it out. I appreciate you, brother man.
Stay cool out there. Yeah, no, you know, hopefully everything
goes well and soon you'd be a grandpa. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, Well she's due around. They're staying around the first
week of October. So given how she's coming along here,
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a little bit earlier.
But so yeah, it's going to be a busy between
now and the end of September. It's going to be
kind of busy for us. But I always appreciate you
let me come on and talk, And just wanted to
(12:48):
shout out to a bunch of folks on there that
you know, uh, get on and we go back and forth.
I wanted to just say thank you for all that
and uh yeah you keep up the good work Ria
VM everybody and we'll we'll be listening. I got to
catch up on a couple of shows here, at least
today's show, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well you won't have you won't have to catch up
to tomorrow's show.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
No, that's a good time. That's true, that's true. Yeah, yeah,
take care of your your body there so.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I'm working on it. Work in progress, all right, all right, all.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Right, if you ever need anything, I told you, you know,
give me a ring, all.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Right, appreciate you, man, talk to you all right, you
take care of carry on that.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Way you want sign there will be this man you
are done.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
They re had to race.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Don't you cry?
Speaker 6 (13:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Once I rose about the noise and confusion, just to
get against be.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
God, this lousion. I was sorry, never higher.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Bad.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I didn't see a still doesn't bin man? No, bye,
didn't think a still was a man?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Man? My he was this way a pre made.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I can do the inside Ryan Llys, God, they got beasy.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Don't you cry?
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Knowlest rating as a man when the reason lest your
radsly be man?
Speaker 6 (15:40):
The season?
Speaker 8 (15:41):
And if I claim to be a wise man.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
It sure to me that I don't know.
Speaker 9 (15:49):
On the stormy sea of moving emotion, talking about him.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Like a shame on the oltion a second wing to
fortune univers Don't you cry no more.
Speaker 10 (16:23):
Speaks quest, quot speak, first speak, let's steps speaks.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Reason.
Speaker 11 (17:41):
Don't you.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Use are.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
To be?
Speaker 9 (19:03):
Je was born in the summer on his twenty seventh year,
coming home to the place he'd never been before.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
He left yesterday five.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Might say he's born again, might say he found the
key for every door.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
When he first came.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
To the bathrooms.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
His life far away on the lord hanging by stall.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
But the strings already broken.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
Then he doesn't really care to keep change fast if
it don't last long. With the Colorado knock you bout live,
I've seen anyway at five in the sky, shadow from
(20:04):
the Starlin and sautter than a lot.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Of Rocky bout Pie, Rocky.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Bout Pie.
Speaker 11 (20:22):
Of Maco.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
He climbed to feed the mountain.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
He saw silver clouds below.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
He saw everything as far as you can see, and
he said he got crazy. He wants saying he tried
to touch the sun and he lost a friend kept
the memory. Now he walks in quiet solitude, the forests
(20:52):
and the streams, singing rays, and every steppy day.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
It side has turned.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
Inside himself to try and understand the.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
Serenity of the clear new mountainlay the floridor rocking bout.
I've seen it rain five s guy off did of the.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Sent the cause you walk.
Speaker 12 (21:28):
And rocking out, Pie rocking back, Pie rock Now his
life is full.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Of wonder at his heart is still those fear of
the simple thing cannot proprehend.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
Why they try to tear the mountain down.
Speaker 9 (22:00):
And bringing bumble board more people or scars upon the land.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
The Plorado Rocky mountain lie. I've seen it, rating five sky,
no heed, be people or mad if you never.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Saw this.
Speaker 12 (22:30):
Rocking up, Frida rocking out.
Speaker 13 (22:40):
I've seen it rain fire and the sky friends around
the camp fire.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
That body is.
Speaker 14 (22:55):
Rocking up, rocky back, rocky back, rocky back, rocky.
Speaker 11 (23:19):
Back, rocky back, Almost Heaven.
Speaker 15 (23:44):
West Virginia, Blue Ridge Mountains channing.
Speaker 13 (23:50):
The river.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
Life is old and older than the trees underland. The
mountains grow in lack reeds. Country Road.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Take me home.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
To the place hide, West Virginia.
Speaker 11 (24:19):
Mountain, Mama, take me home.
Speaker 15 (24:25):
Country Road. All my limp reeds together around her mother's ladies.
Stranger to blue water, dark and dusty. Feed it on
(24:46):
the sky, misty, taste the boom.
Speaker 16 (24:50):
Shine, tear dropping my mind, Country Road, Take me home.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
To the play.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I'll be Love's Virginiard.
Speaker 16 (25:07):
About Mama, Take me home, Country Road, I gave her
voice in the morning.
Speaker 9 (25:20):
As she calls me, radio reminds me of my home
farther away.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
Driving down the road, I get off, feeding that I
should have been home yesterday, yesterday, Country Road.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Take me home.
Speaker 8 (25:45):
To the place. I'll love.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
West Virginiard.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
About Mama, Take me home, Country Roll, Country Roll.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
To take off.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
To the play is happy.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Let's Chinabama.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Think all.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
Country Roll, think it contr Roll.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Take Country Roll,
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