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Together, the UCCE Rice Farm Advisors seek to provide relevant, topical research-backed information relating to CA rice production.

Timothy Blank (Director of Seed Certification Operations, the Foundation Seed Program Executive Director, and the Certified Seed Program Advisor for the California Crop Improvement Association) and Sarah Marsh sit down to talk about the California Crop Improvement Association (CCIA) Rice Seed Quality Assurance Program (Program), which provides a uniform and unbiased quality control system and marketing tool for crop seeds that cannot be verified and merchandised as a class of certified seed as defined by the Association of Official Seed Certifying Agencies (AOSCA).

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UC Rice Blog

UC Agronomy - Rice

Rice Briefs (Colusa/Yolo)

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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to Thoughts on Rice, a podcast
hosted by the University ofCalifornia Cooperative Extension

(00:22):
Rice Advisors.
I'm one of your hosts, SarahMarsh, and I'm a rice farm
advisor for Colusa and YoloCounties.

SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
I'm Whitney from The Forest.
I'm the Cooperative ExtensionRice Advisor for Sutter, Yuba,
Placer, and Sacramento counties.

SPEAKER_04 (00:37):
My name is Luis Espino.
I'm the Rice Farming SystemsAdvisor for Butte and Glynn
counties.
I'm Michelle

SPEAKER_02 (00:46):
Leinfelder-Miles.
I'm a Farm Advisor in the Deltaregion.
I work on all sorts of fieldcrops, grains and forages, but
one of those is rice.
And the counties that I coverare San Joaquin, Sacramento,
Yolo-Salano, and Contra Costacounties.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
Together, the UCCE Rice Farm Advisors seek to
provide relevant, topical,research-backed information
relating to California riceproduction.
In a previous episode, we werefortunate enough to get to talk
to Timothy Blank of theCalifornia Crop Improvement
Association.
He detailed a little bit aboutthe Rice Seed Certification

(01:25):
Program program in California.
However, in California, not allof our rice lines qualify for
rice seed certification for avariety of reasons.
To qualify for rice seedcertification, a rice line has
to have a history of knowndevelopment, and there has to be
traceable, formal, continuedmaintenance of that plant line

(01:47):
in order to assure that it isindeed the variety that we call
it.
Now, for a lot of our specialtylines, our lines that weren't
necessarily developed inCalifornia, it's impossible to
trace that back.
However, these lines add immensevalue not only to California
rice production, but to thegeography of the food landscape

(02:07):
as a whole.
The Rice Seed Quality AssuranceProgram was enacted in 2017 in
response to this quandary.
This allows us to certifyspecialty rice lines that might
not qualify for the Rice SeedCertification Program.
program.
Timothy Blank is here to give usa bit more information.

(02:47):
Earlier we got to talk toTimothy Blank about the seed
certification process inCalifornia rice.
And one thing we didn't reallytouch on is that in rice, there
are actually several lines thatare ineligible for certification
due to a variety of reasons.
Timothy, can you talk to me alittle bit about what some of

(03:08):
the reasons that these ricelines might be ineligible for
seed certification?

SPEAKER_03 (03:13):
Yes, the quality assurance program was developed
specifically for these varietiesto bring them into the fold of
our inspections and the reasonthey can't be certified they're
not certifiable is due to theirhistory they a lot of them came

(03:34):
in from usda accessions Somebodyat some point in history
submitted a sample or multiplesamples of a variety for
preservation in the seed bankand then those can be pulled out
and regenerated and produced asa variety.

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However, when that variety isbrought back into the picture
through that means, there is adefinite gap of maintenance.
It's not coming directly fromthe maintainer.
It's not being maintained by themaintainer.
So we've developed standards forthose varieties and we can't
even in some cases be 100% surethat that is a variety because

(04:21):
there is that lack ofcontinuity.
But we need a program in placeto inspect them to make sure
that the in particular red riceis absent in those in those
varieties.
And I'll mention some of themore common ones that are in our

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program.
Probably the most common one isKoshi Akari.
It's a Japanese variety that wasreleased in the 1950s in Japan.
There's other Japanesevarieties, Akita Kamachi,
Hitomobori, Sasanashiki.
Those varieties are all in ourprogram in California.
And we inspect them for freedomof red rice.

(05:05):
There's Coco Rose, which is aCalifornia variety that was
released decades ago.
But there's some question aboutofficial maintenance of that
variety.
For decades, it was maintainedoutside of a seed certification
program and only recentlybrought into the program.
And then we have Italian, olderItalian varieties like Arborio

(05:27):
and Carnaroli.
So those varieties are also in avery limited amount of
production in California.

SPEAKER_01 (05:34):
You kind of touched on this, but the Rice Seed
Quality Assurance Program wasactually enacted pretty recently
in 2017 in response partially tothe rising numbers of weedy rice
in rice in California.
Can we have a quick briefer onthe difference between the
Quality Assurance Program andthe Seed Certification Program?

SPEAKER_03 (05:54):
So yeah, let me talk about that little bit of recent
history.
In the 2014-2015 It becameapparent that there was weedy
rice in California.
It was very...
hush-hush, and so it was verydifficult to determine how big a

(06:18):
problem it was.
But it was becoming apparentthat the main culprits in the
spread of these types was comingfrom outside of the seed
certification program.
In 2016, this became more of apublic issue, and then within a
year, the Rice Certification ActAdvisory Board, they are

(06:41):
operating under the authority ofthe Rice Certification Act of
2000.
The Rice Certification Act of2000 was created to mitigate
threats to the rice industry.
We have, as an industry,collective threats that could
hurt our markets.

(07:02):
And we don't want to preventcertain things from being
produced, but we want to providea structure for how to bring in
rice from other areas.
We don't want to say you can'tbring rice from another area,
but if we want to avoid diseasesfrom being introduced into
California, follow theseprotocols.
The Rice Certification Acthandles that.

(07:23):
If you want to do research ongenetically engineered rice, we
don't want to prohibit that inCalifornia, but there has to be
protocols in place of how to dothat in greenhouses and proper
isolation.
That original Rice CertificationAct of 2000 did not really
address red rice too muchbecause it wasn't an issue.

(07:44):
When it became an issue, theRice Certification Act was
amended in 2017.
That's a marketing order.
It has teeth.
And what it did was it said by2019, all rice in California has
to be planted with eithercertified seed or seed from a

(08:07):
quality assurance program that'sapproved by the committee.
And the committee is being theRice Certification Act Advisory
Board.
What that did from 2017 to 2019,it brought in the rest of the
seed industry that was operatingoutside of a formal structure.

(08:28):
I would estimate based off thenumbers I've looked at, About
20% of the rice seed productionprior to that amendment was
being handled outside of a seedcertification program or a
quality assurance program.
Now, probably near 100% is.

(08:50):
And so back to the originalquestion, what's the Quality
Assurance Program?
It's to handle those varietiesthat can't be certified but
ensure that they do not have redrice in their seed production.
That should eliminate furtherspread of red rice.

SPEAKER_01 (09:10):
And so the field inspections for the Rice Quality
Assurance Program, are theypretty similar to the field
inspections for the Rice SeedCertification Program?

SPEAKER_03 (09:20):
They're almost identical.
The only real difference is wehave a higher tolerance for
other varieties in the QAprogram.
For example, in certified classrice, we have a tolerance of 1
in 5,000.
In the QA program, theequivalent class is QA3.

(09:43):
And we have a tolerance of 1 in1,000.
So we allow more off-types aslong as those off-types aren't
weedy red rice.

SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
And then just going back a little bit, you mentioned
the classes and the qualityassurance program.
Can you say them again and thenwhat their levels might
correspond to in the seedcertification program?

SPEAKER_03 (10:02):
Yes, we have four classes in both programs.
In the QA program, we havebreeder, QA1, QA2, QA3.
And the certification program Wehave breeder, foundation,
registered, certified.
And those are the equivalentclasses.

SPEAKER_01 (10:19):
Perfect.
And then for those who didn'tlisten to your earlier episode
about the rice certificationprogram, what kind of work takes
place at the field inspections?

SPEAKER_03 (10:30):
So we're checking for separation from overflight
contaminations.
We're checking for problematicweeds, excessive levels of those
weeds.
We're checking for varietalcontaminations.
We're checking for weedy rice.
We're inspecting for diseases.
We'll note diseases of concern,seed-borne diseases like rice

(10:52):
blast, bacani, smut.
Anything issue that can affectseed quality is what we are
inspecting for.

SPEAKER_01 (11:00):
And then the inspections that might take
place at harvest andpost-harvest, is that, again,
similar to the ricecertification program?

SPEAKER_03 (11:10):
Yes, there are inspections of the combines
right prior to harvest.
Those would be done by the AgCommissioner's office.
And post-harvest, the same seedconditioners that are cleaning,
conditioning certified rice arealso conditioning QA rice.

(11:32):
And so they have to follow thesame annual agreements and
affidavits, ensuring that theyare cleaning out equipment when
changing varieties, maintainingrecords to make sure that the
variety identity is kept allalong the way.
to properly sample the seed tomake sure that the samples are

(11:54):
representative prior to going tothe seed lab for testing of the
seed lot.

SPEAKER_01 (12:00):
Do you know some of the reasons why a grower might
choose to grow a seed that can'tbe certified?
So maybe one of the Arborio orCanaroli or some of the other
varieties that aren't ourtraditional California lines
that have been developed.

SPEAKER_03 (12:16):
Yes, those varieties...
I would say 100% of thosespecialty varieties have a
tendency to be lower yielding.
You might have an average whenwe're talking about your Calrose
varieties, your standard Calrosevarieties, you're getting 9,000

(12:40):
pounds, 10,000 pounds per acre.
Here, you're going to get inthese specialty varieties 5,000,
6,000 pounds per acre.
And in addition to beinglow-yielding, because most of
these, if not all of these, areolder varieties, decades-old
varieties, and not adapted forCalifornia in particular, they

(13:02):
And so you're harvesting on theground and getting low yields.
The reason they grow them isbecause they fetch a higher
price.
and it's apparently worthwhileuh with all the headache that
that comes along with it

SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
yeah because from the sound of it it's not
something that you just throw inthe field grow it all season and
then you just come through andharvest you probably have to be
a little bit more patient andpossibly a bit more of a gambler

SPEAKER_03 (13:36):
yes yes definitely um but there are there are
thousands of acres of thesevarieties in commercial
production uh in california justfor for For a little bit of
comparison, this last year inour seed certification program
and QA program, we had a totalof exactly 24,000 acres.

(14:00):
A little bit less than athousand acres of that, 24,000,
was QA varieties.

SPEAKER_01 (14:08):
Can you tell me a bit about the responsibilities
of the handlers and mills thatcontact the rice post-harvest?

SPEAKER_03 (14:16):
The amended Rice Certification Act included
provisions for the handlers andthe mills.
They are responsible to ensurethat the seed that they're
bringing in or the commercialcrop that they're bringing in
was planted by fields that wereplanted with QA seed or

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certified seed.
What we have as documentationthat the grower can produce to
show the handler is that theseed that they planted was done
within the scope of the law.
of the marketing order is bulksales certificates.

(15:04):
We don't have tags in ricebecause it's not bagged seed.
What we have in lieu of a tag isa bulk sales certificate that
the seed warehouse will generateand provide to the grower
planting the commercial crop.
The grower then should retainthat bulk sales certificate and

(15:26):
if he needs it to document thatThe seed he produced for
commercial production was donein accordance with the marketing
order.
He can produce that document.
So that's what we have availablefor documentation.

SPEAKER_01 (15:45):
And then just one more question I have for you.
If a grower is listening who'sinterested in hearing more about
applying to grow a certifiedseed, where can they go for more
information?

SPEAKER_03 (15:55):
Anybody can be a rice grower.
if they follow our seedstandards and if they have
access to planting seed.
So if you want to be a seedgrower, it sounds interesting,
go to our website, look over thestandards at ccia.ucdavis.edu

(16:18):
and there's contact informationon there.
Feel free to contact me and Ican walk you through the
process.

SPEAKER_01 (16:26):
Fantastic.
I've learned a lot just talkingto you.
right now.
Great.
Thank you so much, Timothy.

(16:51):
For more information about theUC Cooperative Extension Rice
Program, you can find all ofthese resources linked in our
show notes, the UC Rice blog,the UC Agronomy Rice website,
and our newsletters.
Rice Briefs, which covers ColusaYolo, Rice Notes, which covers

(17:12):
Uris Sutter, Rice Leaf, whichcovers Butte and Glen, and Field
Notes, which refers to rice inthe Delta region of California.
Stay tuned for our latestnewsletter update, which should
be released in early November.

(17:34):
Thanks for listening.

(18:04):
And remember, like the growerslike to say, have a rice life.

(18:33):
Mention of an agrochemical doesnot constitute a recommendation,
merely the sharing of researchfindings.
Always follow the label.
The label is the law.
Find out more at ipm.ucanr.edu.
The views, thoughts, andopinions expressed are the
speaker's own and do notrepresent the views, thoughts,

(18:56):
and opinions of the Universityof California.
The material and informationpresented here is for general
purposes only.
The University of Californianame and all forms and
abbreviations are the propertyof its owner and its use does
not imply endorsement of oropposition to any specific

(19:17):
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